[0:00] Yep. >> Okay. I call this Historic Preservation

[0:03] Commission meeting uh to order on Monday, March 2nd, 2026

[0:10] at 5:30 p.m. Are there any public comments?

[0:18] » Nope. Okay. Approval of previous minutes from

[0:22] the regular meeting of February 2nd, 2026.

[0:26] If you want, we could probably table that till next time. So we have at least

[0:30] four people that were here to approve it. Yeah. So I'll just put it on next

[0:34] agenda. Number four, then HPC application number

[0:40] 26-00004,

[0:43] excuse [clears throat] me, discussion and potential action on a request for a

[0:48] new door on the front of the building for the second floor access and new door

[0:53] on the rear of the building for a building located at 111 East Oklahoma

[0:58] Avenue. Staff report.

[1:00] » Thank you, Madam Chair. Uh, as indicated, this is a request for a front

[1:04] and a rear door. Uh this is at the Terara Rosa uh art uh art studio on uh

[1:11] East Oklahoma. Uh maybe some had noticed, maybe hadn't noticed, but on

[1:16] the side of the building there was a door there that has access to the upper

[1:20] floor and then on the rear of the building there is a exterior access uh

[1:26] to go uh on the fire escape and down. Uh the owner has been doing renovations

[1:32] inside and at this point is looking to have both doors replaced

[1:38] uh in that he had provided uh what the front door and the rear back door would

[1:43] be as well as the colors which would be similar to what he already has for his

[1:48] signage in that it's the very bottom one. Yeah, the 1302.

[1:54] » Yeah, it's there now. Uh in that. So with that, I give it back to the

[1:58] commission. Uh the applicant is here if you have any questions of him.

[2:02] » Mr. Beonus, do you have anything you'd like to say to us or are there any

[2:07] comments or questions? >> I think that's a great choice and it

[2:12] looks good. >> Yeah, there's one across the street

[2:14] that's got the same. >> Yeah. Yeah. Good.

[2:19] » A motion to uh approve. >> Motion by Lisa.

[2:23] » Second. >> Second by Nathan. All right.

[2:27] Lisa Kennedy, >> yes.

[2:30] » Nathan Turner, >> yes.

[2:31] » Carol McPeek, >> yes.

[2:33] » And Valerie Duncan, >> yes.

[2:35] » All right. 40. Perfect.

[2:43] » Okay. Okay. Uh, item number five, HPC application number 25-00008,

[2:50] discussion and potential action on an expired approved minimum maintenance

[2:55] plan and new colors for existing canopies for a building located at 2024

[3:00] West Harrison Avenue. The blue bell staff report.

[3:04] » Thank you, Madam Chair. Um the applicant was here uh the last

[3:09] meeting for uh one of the buildings across the street and during those

[3:14] conversations it was suggested that we put this back on the agenda to review

[3:19] again. The applicant has been working uh diligently on the building and has had

[3:25] uh made significant improvements. uh as you indicated with your intro, the plan

[3:31] is actually, you know, uh in violation because it's expired. So, uh this is

[3:37] opportunity where the uh commission could give an extension or

[3:43] take into account what's being done and given an extension so he can uh finish

[3:47] that up. But also in talking with the applicant, uh originally when he did the

[3:53] paint that was approved for the building, uh they were going to leave

[3:56] the canopies, uh the blue that they were, uh since that time they would like

[4:01] to change those colors. And so they provided some samples of the coloring

[4:06] that they would like to utilize. Uh there was kind of the the brownish I

[4:13] guess uh uh that was with the doors, the kind of yellowish and then another u I'm

[4:20] not good with colors, but it's the cherrywood. Anyway, you saw the and then

[4:23] a lighter color uh at the back. Uh so again, those are the items that are

[4:30] forth and in your packet. uh did provide all of the pictures that the applicant

[4:34] had provided showing the be before and after uh improvements. So with that,

[4:40] I'll give it back to the commission and obviously the applicant's here to answer

[4:43] any questions. >> Mr. L.

[4:47] » Okay. So the only way that the only change you want to make at this

[4:52] point then is to change the color of the awnings.

[4:56] » Yes. Um, we had it that we weren't going to paint it just because of time and

[5:01] they're not peeling or anything, but >> almost everybody that goes by, they

[5:06] said, "Oh, everything's looking great. What color are you going to paint the

[5:08] awning?" So, [laughter] I think I don't think we could leave it with the current

[5:13] blue. And you did approve originally, and we had spoken with Aaron Green. I

[5:17] had kind of directed, oh, it look cool if it was uh canvas. When I talked to

[5:21] people about it, they didn't like that idea. Most of the people I know I'm just

[5:25] pulling people on the street um just cuz they are not canvas um and the colors

[5:31] that are there they weren't sure some people that were really good with colors

[5:35] um Van French used to work in paint and he said [laughter]

[5:41] and so I was kind of leaning towards um either the gold or the um dark brick

[5:47] color um that I showed on I think that's in your materials um or we have the dark

[5:54] wood color would look rich as well, but I think it might be too redundant of

[5:58] what we did on the trim. Like we want it to look different and that's why we were

[6:02] thinking of maybe the gold if you guys were in agreement with that. Yeah.

[6:08] » Kind of the same gold that we used on the um trim.

[6:12] » Yeah, I think it was the second sample that was in there. I assume that was the

[6:16] gold. I didn't put it up on there, but it's I

[6:20] think >> And it says that the original paint

[6:24] color once you tested it out, it didn't it wasn't what you thought. Well, when

[6:31] we got the other colors on there, it we weren't really wild about the um first

[6:37] first of all, and there was a lot of street construction, but even as we

[6:41] painted, we started noticing and on the Victor as well, just dust accumulation

[6:45] and what it looks like. And that light beige I don't think would season well.

[6:51] Like I started looking at other people even with lighter color awnings in other

[6:55] cities and things and they just always look dirty and dilapitated and I just

[6:59] thought the darker colors would >> weather better.

[7:03] » This color right here right >> I got to armor up. I'm really sorry you

[7:08] guys. >> Yeah, that's the wood one. Correct. Oh

[7:10] no. >> Put the glass.

[7:12] » Is this the color that you're >> Which color was that one?

[7:17] » Gold. Back in the day, I could have seen it

[7:19] from here, but yeah. >> Okay. And that's the only significant

[7:24] change then. >> Yeah. Yeah. Everything else I I want to

[7:28] kind of continue with what I think we planned and I like it. The upper windows

[7:33] are more difficult than we thought, but um I still like the brown and gold and

[7:37] we tested one and you could see it. We were kind of questioning if you'd even

[7:40] see the gold and is it worth all the handwork and you really can. So, I think

[7:45] we we're happy with everything else. Well, I really like the green so far. I

[7:49] think it looks >> good. Thank you.

[7:50] » I know. I was going to commend you for that. It It really looks good.

[7:53] » Oh, thank you. >> Very nice.

[7:55] » Thank you. >> So, you decided against the canvas,

[7:57] though, and you're thinking going more along the lines of painting it one of

[8:00] these colors. >> Yes.

[8:04] » And that's where we're leaning the most towards the gold um that you see in in

[8:10] that packet.

[8:17] And if I had more time, that little black square would have shown you it in

[8:21] application, but I think you could picture. Yeah. [snorts]

[8:27] » Didn't make a motion. >> Make a motion we accept the color

[8:31] change. >> Okay. Are you going to take any action

[8:36] on the minimum maintenance plan?

[8:43] What action would that be? >> Well, to basically take it out of

[8:46] violation and and give it a uh date cuz currently because he didn't meet his six

[8:54] uh month period, what was it last year in that it's been in violation. So, he's

[9:02] been receiving citations due to a minimum maintenance plan not being uh

[9:07] valid. So if the commission if you want to give an extension to say we'll give

[9:14] you we'll you know give you another 30 days to finish it or 60 days or

[9:19] something like that. That way it takes him out of a

[9:22] » violation. Let's treat these as two different

[9:25] » Yeah. No, that's Yeah, I agree. I just didn't know if that was going to be the

[9:28] only action. Yeah. >> So if you want to deal with the colors

[9:31] right now understood. Perfect. >> Then we'll address that next.

[9:35] » Thank you. Okay. So, we had a motion by Nathan and

[9:41] was there who was the second? Oh, Lisa. Okay.

[9:45] All right. Yeah. And this is for the color for the gold that was provided

[9:49] within the uh packet. All right. So, hold on here. Make my notes.

[9:56] All right. Lisa Kennedy, >> yes.

[10:00] » Nathan Turner, >> yes.

[10:02] » Carol McPeek, >> yes.

[10:03] » And Valerie Duncan, >> yes.

[10:05] » Okay. So, we got an approval for the go gold for the canopies.

[10:14] » Okay. Under the same item number, now we uh discuss potential action on the U

[10:22] minimum maintenance plan.

[10:28] How's it going? How's the project going? It painting and stuff like that. Yeah,

[10:33] it we are making progress. It hit everything and and um I've talked to a

[10:38] couple people already about catch it early, don't wait. Um just because it's

[10:42] it's not just a paint job, it's a rebuild job. Um yeah, the seconds story

[10:48] windows were a beast, too. Um just like the tin was. Um, some areas have been

[10:54] great, some have been difficult, but what I tried to do,

[10:58] um, this month is do a little bit of everything so that I would know

[11:01] realistically what we're looking at. Um, tuck pointing. Um, I was able to do some

[11:07] of it. I did about five areas. I still indicated about 55 other areas that I

[11:10] need to do. Um, the windows I tried to do from the inside like I did over at

[11:16] the lints, which I had to do from the inside because of the power lines. This

[11:19] was easier to do from the outside. Um uh and now we've gotten a second um

[11:26] scaffolding set as well. So we'll be able to work to it because I also have

[11:30] 60 days to finish the uh firehouse. So I I don't want to be compliant here and

[11:35] not compliant there. So it's moving along better, but um with 30 windows to

[11:40] do upstairs because they do go all the way around the the window. I see about

[11:44] 30 days of work there. Um, and then about 50 days to do the

[11:49] um, talk pointing. Although I am talking to people to see if I can get somebody

[11:53] to do it faster. So, so far we've had difficulty.

[11:59] If anybody's watching and can do that, call me.

[12:01] » Did you say, >> pardon me?

[12:02] » Did you say 50 days? >> Yes. Yeah. Because we have to actually

[12:06] get and a lot of those are by wires and things like that. So, we actually have

[12:10] to do it from the scaffolding and move it around or we're going to have to rent

[12:14] a truck and but it's still up through wires. There's uh cables that hold up a

[12:20] pole in front of the building and there's wires down the alley and there's

[12:23] Yeah. So, there's difficulty to get to. It's not just around the base where I'm

[12:27] counting the whole building. Yeah. That's the backside that you can't see

[12:32] as well over the rooftop. Um and yeah, that's it. And then we'll have

[12:38] to paint the awning now. But that's, you know, that's not a big task

[12:43] cuz that's prepped. That's just we have to roll.

[12:50] » I'm trying to remember the brick pointing was originally a part of this

[12:54] minimum maintenance plan. >> Yes. Well,

[12:58] » facade. >> Yeah. On on the facade there was some

[13:02] fixing of the but I think as Mr. lad indicated there was more than what was

[13:08] realized initially. >> I I indicated it in there. Um I was the

[13:13] one that blew the whistle on that. There are

[13:17] several places that really need attention but to hit the whole building.

[13:22] That's the the that's what I would be doing with the 55.

[13:26] » So you're asking >> So like if I'm pushing things so they're

[13:28] not my problem again, like at least the building will stand for 15 to 20 years

[13:32] and now it's somebody else's problem. I would address them all. If we're just

[13:35] trying to take it out of minimum maintenance, then I could maybe cut that

[13:39] down to 10 days and we'll just hit the parts that really need it. But there are

[13:43] some that I'm sure if you came and saw the building, you'd go, "Yeah, you need

[13:45] to handle." >> So basically, you're asking for a 90day

[13:49] for 90 days. >> Yeah.

[13:51] » Why do you want to focus on the paint and changing the paint? Because I don't

[13:54] necessarily feel that the paint is a problem instead of focusing on the

[13:58] minimum maintenance to get that off your back before changing the colors.

[14:03] And again that was just because once we're done with this I even though yeah

[14:08] it's not part of the minimum maintenance to paint that we have finished

[14:11] everything else other than that and it that wouldn't add greatly to the you

[14:16] know we have three awnings to or four awnings to paint. So that wouldn't add

[14:21] greatly to it. It's the the windows again isn't painting the windows. It's

[14:25] rebuilding the windows. The scaffolding is a paint job. So, you don't feel like

[14:29] paint redoing the paint on this would take time or money per se?

[14:34] » It it will take it will add time and money to the project, but um at least

[14:41] and again, it's not necessarily part of this, but I sure would like to get it

[14:44] done. And by fixing this, one of the benefits is I have a renter. We've had

[14:48] the second meeting or a potential renter and they're really wanting to do it. So,

[14:53] I want to give them everything they need to to be successful. So, I'd like to

[14:59] paint it if I can. >> So, if I was in your shoes, I would

[15:01] really focus on the minimum maintenance before I would changing the colors

[15:04] because your renters are going to be there.

[15:06] » Yeah. >> And it's going to save you some time and

[15:08] money to be able to focus on that as opposed to changing the colors.

[15:13] » And we could I mean, you've approved it now, so I think you have six months. So,

[15:18] I Yeah, I could definitely jump across the street and get the firehouse because

[15:22] I I also want to get to the Victor, too. So, yeah.

[15:27] So, [snorts] >> so that's true.

[15:29] » You're basically asking then for another 90 days

[15:33] » and um I certainly am sympathetic with the idea that these jobs turn out to be

[15:39] so much more than anybody expects them to. I own a historic home so I know

[15:44] that. >> But there also has to come a point where

[15:48] we quit giving extensions. And I want you to think really hard. Is

[15:53] 90 days reasonable? because if I vote to give you a 90-day extension on this, I

[16:00] will not ever vote to do it again in the future.

[16:04] » So, I'm just warning you about that. >> Yeah. And and

[16:09] it is difficult because, you know, like even during this time period, we got all

[16:14] the scaffolding set up and everything else and then we got 23 mph winds and

[16:17] you can't be on scaffolding um in 23 mph.

[16:21] » I sympathize with that. That's awesome. >> So, I that's the only X factor I have.

[16:25] like I do I did test it and that's why I feel like I can get it done in that a

[16:30] lotment of days. Um and that didn't include painting the scaffolding. That

[16:34] would just be you know but you know you're at 85 days just on the the tuck

[16:39] point and finish the windows. Um but you're right if there's winds, if

[16:44] there's rain, those hold us back. It's not that we don't work. Those are good

[16:47] days that we can go and be shopping products and things that we need to do

[16:51] and fixing. you know, we had heat and air and everything else that you have to

[16:55] do just being a building owner in other places. But, um, I think if if I do

[17:01] believe that that's a realistic time frame, number of work days now, in that

[17:07] I think it'll take 85 days and I feel comfortable with that. That only gives

[17:10] us 5 days of mess up on a 90-day extension. That's tight. Um, you know,

[17:15] that means we got to double up or hire people if we see rain or, you know, we

[17:18] we got to get think more things going. So, would I feel better with an extra 30

[17:22] to be protected? Definitely. You know, but um it's Oklahoma, so you we never

[17:30] It's It's been kind of gorgeous for for a while, so you know, it's hard to tell,

[17:36] you know. But I have a jacket on today and had a t-shirt on two days ago. So,

[17:41] » have we approved two extensions so far, Dan?

[17:44] » Yes.

[17:48] » Yes. If I uh cuz I had it written down.

[17:53] » Do I hear any discussion? >> Yeah, but I think there were there were

[17:56] two >> there were two extensions.

[18:00] » I do have a question just cuz I've been in more meetings [laughter] than a lot

[18:06] of people. Now, um I do need to come back in 60 days on the far house. Is it

[18:12] possible to just give me an extension by there and and give an update on where

[18:16] we're at and we'd know what I got done and

[18:20] » the request that again? I'm not sure I understood what you're saying.

[18:23] » Yeah. And if I can, I think he was saying just give him 60 days now and

[18:28] then this will be back on the agenda when the firehouse is on the agenda. And

[18:32] so it' be kind of an update and if more time is needed at that point. Am I

[18:36] correct? >> Yes. because then I could

[18:39] » just giving you 90 or 120 days >> because I would even know better by

[18:43] then. Like that's kind of halfway probably through a realistic deadline,

[18:46] but I would I understand like I'd be pushing pedal the metal and I have to

[18:52] get the firehouse done by then. So I we're all here again. Maybe if you know

[18:57] I just had an extension and table it till then to

[19:00] » if I were in your shoes. >> Mhm.

[19:03] » I would ask for the 90 days that you just have said that you're reasonably

[19:07] sure that it's going to take because as I said if you come back in 60 days and

[19:13] we've given you an extension for 60 days and you're not done, I'm not voting to

[19:17] give you an extension again. I can't speak for anybody else on the

[19:21] commission. But if you if you think it's going to take 90 days, then I really

[19:26] think that's what you need to ask for. >> Okay. Well, again, I think I think it'll

[19:30] take 85 days of work. So, you know, if we I I if if I was going to ask like

[19:37] that and the point of no return and I'm doing the firehouse, I I would ask for

[19:41] 120 because that gives me 30 days of wind and rain and things like that. And

[19:46] I can almost guarantee we'll have 30 days of I think we have rain later this

[19:50] week. So,

[19:56] » so the question I think >> Yeah. So, I wasn't saying I'd get it

[19:58] done in 60. I was just saying, you know, maybe we can I I'd have a better update

[20:02] by then on I I will have done more windows and more tuck pointing and talk

[20:07] to people by then. So, >> so if I'm not mistaken this, then

[20:14] he's asking that we give him a 90-day extension on the blue belt. And we're

[20:20] not talking about the the fire station at this time.

[20:26] » No, that's correct because that's Yeah, that's already coming back.

[20:29] » Finish the maintenance. >> So, I guess that's the question that's

[20:34] in front of us right now. This is something that we want to do.

[20:56] I'm my inclination is to grant the 90 days because of the amount that has been

[21:02] done up to this point, but I'm going to be uh I mean y'all we can discuss that

[21:09] uh because there's been a lot of progress. There's been a lot done to the

[21:12] building and I'm incredibly happy to see that.

[21:15] » Um, but to your point, Valerie, I think we we've got to have a a hard deadline

[21:20] on >> I would make the motion that we approve

[21:24] 90 days

[21:28] extension. >> Are you good with that?

[21:30] » Um, [clears throat] we have all got a vote.

[21:34] » Do I hear >> you feel 90 days?

[21:36] » Is there a formal second? >> You feel you can be done in 90 days?

[21:40] I I I told you I could do it in 85 days and I'm that will mean five days of

[21:44] rain, but I Yeah, I can I'm I don't have much choice. So,

[21:49] » and holding off on the paint, you don't feel like that would

[21:51] » I'll hold off on that. Yeah, >> I would hold off on the paint.

[21:54] » We won't add that to the bucket. I'm just saying

[21:57] » get these fines off if you get done what needs to be done.

[22:01] » Okay. >> The paint is cosmetic. Yeah.

[22:04] » You can always Your renters are going to be happy.

[22:07] » Yep. Yep. >> So,

[22:09] » yeah. Yeah. So, we had a motion by uh Nathan and a second by Carol to give a n

[22:15] 90day extension and or completion of the minimum maintenance plan.

[22:21] » So, Lisa Kennedy, >> yes.

[22:24] » Nathan Turner, >> yes.

[22:26] » Carol McPeek, >> yes.

[22:27] » And Valerie Duncan, [clears throat] >> yes.

[22:29] » All right. 40.

[22:33] » I will say you've made great progress. Thank you.

[22:36] » I am very, like I said, I'm very excited to see this much being done.

[22:41] » Thank you. Well, if you need to ask me any other questions, I'll be on

[22:45] scaffolding for [laughter] No, I'm kidding. Thank you very much.

[22:47] » I know it's a lot. >> Thank you.

[22:50] » Okay. Are there any staff comments? >> None. Thank you, Madam Chair.

[22:54] » Any commissioner comments? >> No. Well, then this meeting is journed.

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