[0:00] going all right good evening it's 6:30

[0:03] we have a quorum we'll call the planning

[0:04] board meeting to order and first up reg

[0:08] Mr dwire that would be Mr eer unless

[0:11] he's

[0:13] observing guest M Mr eer better have uh

[0:17] Mr DWI and Mr maximi better have

[0:19] received a plan that I

[0:23] sent

[0:27] yeah so Randy obviously you knew would

[0:30] not be able to sign it as an a butter so

[0:32] you're very

[0:40] astute so do do you have that bill you

[0:43] can put it on the scre yeah right now it

[0:45] won't let me show the

[0:50] um that's the Kelly an anr

[0:55] yes okay uh I've got to download it

[0:59] because it is not

[1:03] uh okay well I can I can talk about it

[1:06] while you're doing that so this is Kelly

[1:10] anr at the corner of Stockbridge and

[1:12] Roosevelt Street on the Westerly side of

[1:16] Roosevelt Street the there's about 30

[1:20] and a half acres there right now uh it's

[1:23] all in APR

[1:25] currently uh Mr Kelly and his wife Marcy

[1:29] would like to divide it uh five acres

[1:33] they're going to keep and 25 acres the

[1:35] Divine brothers are going to buy so the

[1:39] lot one is what's going to be kept by

[1:42] Kelly lot two is what's going to be

[1:44] acquired by

[1:46] Divine uh as I said both of them are

[1:49] currently under APR restrictions so

[1:52] there will be no further development of

[1:55] either

[1:57] lot um it's pretty cut and

[2:02] dry Randy was this uh under the APR

[2:07] program was this the old APR or the new

[2:09] APR was

[2:12] there was what Joe I'm sorry well

[2:15] regarding the price uh because under the

[2:18] new APR the the state has the right of

[2:20] first refusal well maybe Bill knows the

[2:22] answer but uh so did they have to go

[2:26] through a lot of paperwork in uh

[2:30] getting other bids or not I don't know

[2:33] the answer to that Joe but I know that Johnny Kelly has worked with the

[2:37] APR people to get to this point where he

[2:40] knows that they are going to allow

[2:43] divines to buy this yeah that okay

[2:46] obviously they're in the farming

[2:49] business so that would be no

[2:53] question this is hearkened back to the

[2:57] seago property that was originally per

[3:01] purchased at a higher price but then

[3:04] taken away from that person oh

[3:08] yes

[3:10] but no I don't believe there's any of

[3:13] that going on

[3:15] here look I was just looking for some

[3:18] information and

[3:20] uh that that particular problem involved

[3:24] a mortgage foreclosure sale too so

[3:28] that's that's not what is involved

[3:31] here oh

[3:33] no but the AP Pro APR program is still a

[3:37] good

[3:37] program oh yeah it has it flaws but

[3:41] nevertheless

[3:43] it's y right any questions from

[3:47] anybody not motion to approve so let's I

[3:53] can't tell Mark is actually here at the

[3:55] moment no I'm here okay when I try to get right on top of the

[4:00] image you don't want to see my face that

[4:02] close so I just turn off the

[4:06] camera

[4:08] um so

[4:11] uh Joe is in the butter and uh I have

[4:15] represented all of the parties at

[4:17] various times and I don't know if I will

[4:20] be representing them in the future so um

[4:23] I think if

[4:26] um Mark you could make the motion and

[4:28] Mike you could second it and then it' be

[4:32] 302 I would make a motion to approve as

[4:38] submitting second like motion and second

[4:42] any other discussion if not all in favor

[4:45] I I let's do a roll call Vote for This

[4:48] one Mr

[4:50] Dunn oh

[4:52] okay Mr SS I myself I Mr DWI abstain

[5:00] Mr zagrodnik abstain motion passes

[5:06] 302 okay thank you very much gentlemen I

[5:09] will be in touch Jimmy uh and we'll take

[5:12] care of the rest of it whatever okay all

[5:15] right thanks a lot have a good night

[5:16] guys have a good one

[5:18] day bye bye

[5:26] goodbye and um let's see I believe Kyle

[5:31] Fel is part of planning Pioneer Valley

[5:34] Planning Commission take the plan down

[5:36] bill yeah okay Kyle and Ken

[5:39] are yeah here take my

[5:45] abuse Mr Quin oh we got an invoice to

[5:48] pay for for uh Kyla she attended that

[5:54] cptc seminar last week I believe for $40

[5:58] anybody else go to that

[6:01] I signed up for it but I did not uh make

[6:04] it there but I got the

[6:06] handouts okay um so we have one invoice

[6:10] to pay for Kyla for

[6:13] $40 I'm assuming she'll somehow submit

[6:16] something to the to the uh accountant

[6:20] Bill yes I'll go over whatever she needs

[6:23] to do okay so I'll make a motion to

[6:25] reimburse her for

[6:27] $40 second second motion second any

[6:31] discussion all none all in favor I I I I

[6:37] any opposed motion passes unanimously

[6:40] very

[6:41] good

[6:48] okay since um uh pvpc is an appointment

[6:53] and not a public hearing I don't think

[6:55] there's any harm in

[6:58] just okay Mr coma and Mr

[7:03] Kyle you are up

[7:06] gentlemen welcome hi Bor good evening your holiday red

[7:14] on mine is orange but Kyle's is red I

[7:17] saw him at the office today so his is

[7:20] red trying to get trying to get into the

[7:22] spirit

[7:28] Jo well I think uh the big topic that we

[7:32] have for you this evening um forgive the

[7:35] late notice but I sent over the latest

[7:38] version of your Draft rules and

[7:41] regulations um and I'm happy

[7:45] to open that document up now for you if

[7:49] you'd like to share the screen but um

[7:53] yeah when did you send it over uh I did

[7:56] send it over this afternoon I believe I

[7:58] 4 13 PM if I remember unfortunately time

[8:02] stamped uh so I believe uh I sent it to

[8:05] all the board members but um it's very

[8:08] similar to the last document and uh

[8:11] before we actually get into it I was

[8:12] hoping we could entertain a bit of a

[8:15] back and forth uh because it's the the

[8:19] latest version

[8:21] has all the reference documents that Mr

[8:24] dwire has provided and we believe all

[8:27] the feedback for this ongoing

[8:30] process and at this point I'm curious

[8:33] It's about 40-page document and there

[8:36] may be more um content to build into the

[8:41] thing but I'm just curious if um making

[8:47] sure that it is reflective of what the

[8:48] board is

[8:50] doing um if approaching it moving

[8:54] forward at the regularly scheduled

[8:57] meeting is appropriate or if a

[8:59] subcommittee might be a better

[9:01] approach we only got through eight pages

[9:04] last

[9:05] week I don't know if we'll get further

[9:07] along this week I know this is a top

[9:10] priority and I want to uh Advance it um

[9:14] expeditiously but I also want to be

[9:16] respectful of of everyone's time and and

[9:19] would appreciate your feedback on in

[9:21] moving forward is this the best

[9:25] approach recommendations on the board

[9:27] what do you what would we like to do you

[9:28] like to do 40 pages is a lot I mean uh

[9:33] we will wave through it but uh to expect

[9:36] an ordinary citizen to be able to wait

[9:41] through something like this uh i' would

[9:44] be expecting a

[9:46] lot I don't know how if it could

[9:49] be HED down to fewer Pages or not but

[9:54] uh I I I do see a benefit to going over

[9:59] it um that's what we did with the master

[10:03] plan that's what we did with the

[10:04] subdivision regulations and yes it's a

[10:07] lengthy process but hopefully we won't

[10:09] have to do it very often we uh get

[10:13] everything put together and what build

[10:16] it the first time and the the next

[10:18] edit's going to be a lot easier so um we

[10:23] have

[10:24] tried the best we can to hold um the

[10:29] first Tuesday of the month for planning

[10:31] issues and if we take it in you know our

[10:36] siiz

[10:37] bytes um we'll probably get through it

[10:39] faster than you might

[10:43] fear yeah I mean I think I do okay Mr

[10:46] SARS or Mike or Mark what do you think I

[10:48] agree with that I mean enough with

[10:50] subcommittees let's just go go for it

[10:53] yeah I do think yeah that if if we can

[10:56] take it in bites as Bill said

[10:59] it looked like this had uh the

[11:02] predominance of the highlighting on the

[11:05] last page in under

[11:08] Administration yeah right and that and

[11:11] that is a carryover and so that's that's

[11:13] part of what um I think

[11:17] uh if if the board is in agreement and

[11:20] um don't let me c off um Mr chair but if

[11:24] we're in agreement to take it in

[11:27] sections uh at our regular scheduled

[11:30] evenings um hopefully in about an hour

[11:34] uh I think the first question I have

[11:36] then

[11:37] is can we get to uh an agreement

[11:43] of is everything we want in the document

[11:46] in terms of big chunks present or are

[11:50] there glaring omissions that we need to

[11:52] address would that would would the board

[11:55] agree that would be the first thing

[11:58] rather than going line by

[12:00] line and start with the outline and then

[12:03] get to the weaves if we could get into

[12:07] that part of the reason I I bring this

[12:10] up uh also is because I believe there is

[12:13] a lot of um uh

[12:16] redundancy as we've brought over

[12:19] sections of

[12:20] bylaws um that we could start just to

[12:23] Omit um it might make the process go a

[12:27] little bit faster but if if we're ready

[12:29] to jump in I'm happy to share yeah when

[12:33] don't we why don't we start with the

[12:34] outline and see if we can highlight

[12:36] anything that we don't have right that

[12:39] we've

[12:41] omitted and I'll just take this moment

[12:44] to whine as I did on the

[12:47] email that uh by The Virtue that this

[12:52] came in this afternoon and I worked

[12:55] until I just got home I quickly scanned

[12:58] through it but did not read it for

[13:00] Content so I feel wholly unprepared

[13:05] to make constructive comments on it so

[13:08] hopefully I can add comments after the

[13:11] meeting and we can discuss if there's

[13:14] any content that that's a good point

[13:16] mark and I think if we just go over the

[13:18] outline tonight even if it doesn't take

[13:21] an hour or so at least have everybody

[13:24] contemplate the basic outline and what

[13:28] is needed is something missing is there

[13:30] too much and just go from there maybe

[13:32] just a good it'll be a good starting

[13:37] point thank you

[13:41] Jim yeah so I I appreciate that and I

[13:44] think um um yeah I'd like to Circle back

[13:48] to that once we get through the the

[13:50] outline and get a sense of what we like

[13:55] so um pretty standard opening section

[13:59] uh last meeting we got through I

[14:03] believe it was only the first eight

[14:05] pages but I believe it was the first

[14:08] five sections so these should be

[14:10] familiar and um we can jump

[14:14] to the particular subsections if we like

[14:19] but introduction

[14:21] organization uh I believe um there was

[14:24] no huge um Omission there now we

[14:28] actually added a little bit of

[14:30] content um so then

[14:35] sorry um so organization

[14:39] meetings uh I believe we added um a

[14:43] section

[14:45] on absences if that's correct since the

[14:49] town of adoped the mullen's

[14:52] rule

[14:53] um and please interject if I'm

[14:57] mistaken uh but then we get into

[14:59] preliminary

[15:01] review

[15:04] which I don't believe we had

[15:06] any large

[15:08] issues uh removing the preliminary

[15:11] review fee KY if I can just just

[15:15] interject and Jim or or you know anyone

[15:18] stop me if you disagree but for for

[15:23] someone uh as Joe said you know just an

[15:25] ordinary citizen watching this could I

[15:29] just ask you to correct me if I'm wrong

[15:32] in saying that this

[15:34] is uh basically almost like a charter to

[15:38] describing what our board is and what we

[15:41] do right I mean this isn't a bylaw that

[15:45] so much

[15:46] affects uh you know someone's property

[15:49] it's more about our process is that you

[15:53] know just to get the over you know so

[15:55] everyone knows what we're talking about

[15:58] and and it's a it's it's a it's kind of

[16:00] a guideline of our process and where

[16:02] certain things are a little bit fuzzy

[16:06] this kind of clarifies and gives

[16:09] explanations on things that we the way

[16:12] we do

[16:14] things but I I like like uh Mark glanced

[16:20] at it and just went through a few things

[16:22] and I just keyed on

[16:24] uh home

[16:27] occupations

[16:29] and it actually said what you can't do

[16:32] you cannot hire somebody in your office

[16:35] besides the owner of the business which

[16:38] I think is kind of odd what if you want

[16:40] to bring a bookkeeper in hell I remember

[16:42] my mother used to work for Bobby Hanan

[16:45] half days at Lakeside fuel doing

[16:48] bookkeeping uh so just there there's

[16:51] other things besides procedure in here I

[16:54] think uh Mark okay yeah that particular

[16:58] thing on home occupation is just a

[17:00] repeat of the actual Zone bylaw and a

[17:04] home

[17:05] occupation is somebody

[17:08] who has no employees works completely

[17:12] out of their home for basically running

[17:15] their business but they go out like a

[17:18] like an electrician if you will yeah

[17:21] okay or plumber or or anybody like that

[17:24] if you have an employee even if they

[17:26] come into your house and do book keeping

[17:29] well you may need a home

[17:32] business or you know it depends I guess

[17:35] how much time they spend in your house

[17:37] doing bookkeeping if they come

[17:39] in you know nobody's GNA we're getting

[17:43] in kind of splitting hairs here yeah and

[17:45] well it actually illustrates maybe an

[17:48] approach maybe we should reconsider our

[17:51] approach and not just make the

[17:53] regulations a summary of the

[17:57] bylaw but maybe focus a little more on

[18:00] how

[18:01] we conduct a

[18:03] hearing

[18:06] yeah so it's a it's

[18:09] a and I'm sure I know at one point Ken

[18:12] did an inventory for us because we have

[18:15] multiple bylaw sections that say and the

[18:17] planning board shall adopt

[18:20] regulations and we basically haven't for

[18:23] anything apart from the Village Center

[18:26] overlay right so this is filling in some

[18:29] blanks and checking off some boxes

[18:34] um but um yeah I i' like to I'm looking

[18:37] forward to giving it a more thorough

[18:39] review too I didn't actually even see it

[18:41] come in until you told me you had sent

[18:43] it and I checked for your

[18:44] name so uh I'm I'm completely C cold on

[18:48] this except that I've been involved with

[18:51] aspects of it for a while and Mike Mike

[18:55] SARS in one way these regulations could

[18:58] also Al Define how we

[19:01] interpret um the home occupation such

[19:05] that somebody comes in and hires a

[19:09] bookkeeper one day a quarter to look at

[19:12] their books well that's not really an

[19:16] employee give a little bit of leeway on

[19:18] certain things better Define things okay

[19:22] good by the way one or two of my sisters

[19:25] work for Bobby hon

[19:26] too come to

[19:30] [Music]

[19:32] think

[19:34] um okay so we can turn the Talking Stick

[19:37] back to Kyle sorry sorry for that little

[19:40] sidebar I just want to clarify important

[19:44] it I agree uh and I do appreciate uh the

[19:47] sidebar um Mark Mike everyone for

[19:51] contributing uh I think

[19:56] um bill is correct that there's some

[20:00] content to add there's some clarity to

[20:03] be made and I think there's also um more

[20:07] value in this document than just

[20:10] reiterating exactly what the individual

[20:13] bylaws say um so I think if we start to

[20:18] get

[20:19] past

[20:21] um the more

[20:23] administrative uh General um sections 1

[20:28] two 3 we start to get into the uh how

[20:32] the board conducts business and the

[20:34] circumstances which uh initiate each

[20:37] step we start to see um some larger

[20:42] sections like section five special

[20:44] permanent

[20:45] review

[20:47] um I think

[20:51] um this format of excuse

[20:57] me sorry I got to the wrong page there

[21:00] but

[21:01] um this pattern of a quick U reference

[21:06] to where the authority is coming

[21:09] from uh what the task for the board

[21:13] is what the role of the applicant is and

[21:17] then procedure I think that's a very

[21:19] logical pattern it doesn't hold true

[21:23] throughout all of the

[21:25] circumstances that we get into and I

[21:27] think that's where

[21:29] um we

[21:31] may

[21:33] uh carve off our size bites sections

[21:38] that we can address in turn um but I

[21:41] just wanted to point that out as a

[21:42] pattern uh for the board to

[21:46] consider sounds good um I again not just

[21:51] thinking about the the value of this

[21:53] document for the board but also um Joe

[21:56] had mentioned you know for a citizen

[21:59] wanting to bring business to the board a

[22:02] more concise um but accurate document I

[22:06] think is

[22:08] preferred so then we just start getting

[22:10] into the sections so um we we said we

[22:14] weren't going to do this so I'm going to

[22:15] go back up to the uh table of contents

[22:18] just to follow this pattern and review

[22:20] what we have um so we have commercial

[22:23] site plan review or approval excuse me

[22:28] in section six and I just need to move M

[22:31] more um in section seven planning Bo

[22:36] hearings um including site

[22:38] visits uh we do have our fee table which

[22:42] we'll want to make sure is accurate and

[22:45] up to dat uh and I believe the way that

[22:48] it's written now it also uh claims to

[22:51] supered any other documents it's this is

[22:54] supposed to be the most accurate and up

[22:56] to-date um fee table uh we have a

[23:01] section nine waiver of rules waiver of

[23:03] compliance and a request for River

[23:06] waiver of rules excuse

[23:09] me section 10 is more

[23:12] Administration um we can jump to that if

[23:16] we' like some more clarity on

[23:19] that

[23:20] um it's really just

[23:23] um C codifying when when these adopted

[23:28] and how to go about changing those uh

[23:32] then you start to get into the more

[23:33] specific bylaws and circumstances that

[23:37] the board will have

[23:39] um such as design reviews for limited

[23:45] business

[23:49] um excuse me so and then home

[23:52] occupations we added the home occupation

[23:54] section which is I believe Jim you

[23:57] pointed out it's pretty much that bylaw

[24:01] um um we have some questions about it

[24:04] section 13 erosion sentiment control is

[24:07] very similar it's just about the

[24:08] entirety of that bylaw and the

[24:10] inclusionary zoning which was added uh

[24:14] Mark you noticed a lot of highlighting

[24:16] in that section the highlighting is

[24:18] actually I believe the most relevant

[24:21] sections of the bylaw to bring into the

[24:23] rules and rs but that is the entirety of

[24:26] the bylaw in the document currently

[24:28] so that's how it's structured now

[24:32] um yeah I welcome feedback from the

[24:35] board at this point yeah so so Kyle on

[24:38] that 12 13 and 14 where it's I mean

[24:41] correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds

[24:43] like we've started by putting the whole

[24:47] novel in here should we not consider

[24:51] boiling it down

[24:53] to uh what the other intent was to kind

[24:57] of

[24:59] how the process works or

[25:02] it's I don't know yeah would I'm just

[25:07] afraid if we have too much information

[25:09] No One's Gonna read

[25:11] it

[25:14] exactly why why would you in put home

[25:18] occupations in this document when in

[25:21] actuality it might

[25:23] represent 10% of our

[25:26] business

[25:28] why is it

[25:29] here I guess it's I guess he's trying to

[25:32] cover all the options but well because

[25:35] it says it says the planning board shall

[25:37] adopt regulations so we're trying to put

[25:39] the regulations for each of the areas

[25:42] we're supposed to adopt something I

[25:44] don't think we need to

[25:47] repeat my two senses I don't think we

[25:49] need to put the bylaw into the

[25:52] regulations right we need to put only

[25:54] the pertinent sections that we're trying

[25:57] to

[25:58] adopt something that's a little bit

[26:01] fuzzy if you would or how we do

[26:09] things I guess I guess the question to

[26:12] ask is you know when the board adopted

[26:15] these particular bylaws particular to

[26:18] home occupations I can that's the one

[26:20] I'm I'm most curious about um was their

[26:26] conversation at the time about

[26:29] where you could find rules and

[26:32] regulations that wouldn't be found per

[26:34] se in the bylaw or was there some

[26:39] discussion by the board when this was

[26:41] passed

[26:43] that would have suggested

[26:46] that there are rules and regulations to

[26:49] administering this particular bylaw

[26:53] that are not served well in a in the

[26:56] actual bylaw and should be in this

[26:59] particular

[27:01] document I'm I'm GNA sus suggest that it

[27:05] was probably language that was imported

[27:08] from a draft and never questioned or

[27:11] challenged okay so it

[27:14] stay although I think Jim was working

[27:18] you were working on the home occupations

[27:19] and I was working on the bed and

[27:21] breakfast at the time that's right yes

[27:24] yeah if you if you read you're right

[27:27] bill in the original documents even

[27:29] before I came on it was candy making and

[27:33] dress making were an example of Home

[27:36] occupation and and those were merely

[27:39] examples I think to follow and a lot of

[27:42] that was written from a uh a

[27:47] text of Professor bacon from ammer

[27:50] college and it would check off the boxes

[27:53] what you want to have in your bylaw so

[27:58] we've come a long way with

[28:02] individual and I don't think we should

[28:04] have there's been just some discussion

[28:06] not a lot but some discussion about

[28:07] getting rid of the inclusionary zoning

[28:09] by law that's one member's dream and U I

[28:14] don't know why we're focusing on that

[28:23] here let's keep it in play for the time

[28:26] being even if it's as the placeholder

[28:29] right maybe we'll come across that magic

[28:33] definition and Lou pman or it may be all

[28:38] resolved if uh we come up if if the

[28:41] state adopts a some form

[28:44] of uh sales tax on high value homes that

[28:49] would go to affordable housing trust

[28:51] fund that then we can look at it a

[28:54] different

[28:55] way yeah it appears that the word adopt

[28:59] is being very kind it appears that the

[29:02] state is dictating Zing

[29:06] now so be it so be it they yeah they

[29:11] make the

[29:12] rules well I I thought our town meeting

[29:16] made the

[29:18] rules only because chapter 48 spells out

[29:21] what town meeting can

[29:24] do remember there are limitations of

[29:27] what Tom meting can't regulate in

[29:30] 4A you want to secede from the state

[29:35] Joe no but uh you know certainly

[29:39] uh the idea of having the National Guard

[29:43] come in and declaring an emergency

[29:45] because it's something that

[29:48] is politically

[29:50] feasible uh and if you live on the MBTA

[29:54] line they're really that's a little bit

[29:58] more honorous they say you could take

[30:01] down a single family house and put up a

[30:03] three-story apartment building with no

[30:05] parking as long as it's on the MBTA line

[30:08] and that's overruling local zoning but

[30:11] that obviously is going to be

[30:14] challenged so the one thing I am seeing

[30:16] as we go through this and I don't want

[30:18] to get off on too many tangents I agree

[30:21] if you could go back just to the just

[30:25] back to the outline yes

[30:28] absolutely so I'm seeing um as you

[30:37] scroll down let's just see if we can

[30:40] stay on these two pages y organization

[30:44] the meetings the preliminary review

[30:45] special permit review then you'll jump

[30:48] into site plan approval yes then you

[30:51] have at least two if not three sections

[30:53] that are administrative again hearings

[30:56] fees waiver rules and

[30:59] administration um all it seems like all

[31:02] of those could go into the first

[31:05] unit so not necessarily combining or

[31:09] consolidating but just shifting S8 n

[31:13] 10 yeah 78 n 10 yeah I think they

[31:16] probably could live within one two three

[31:19] or they could be to come the new four

[31:22] five and six right

[31:25] um I think there's probably some certain

[31:27] redundancy there and then if you'd

[31:29] scroll down towards the the end I think

[31:33] the rest of these are all pretty much

[31:34] substantive areas right yeah and so the

[31:38] question would then be what is missing

[31:41] of the substantive areas where you want

[31:43] to elaborate and clarify those fuzzy

[31:47] details as jimage so if you would go

[31:50] back up to

[31:53] uh uh yeah what what triggers getting here as a as a a

[32:01] process I mean food trucks anrs

[32:06] uh accessory Apartments I mean what

[32:13] uh how do you make the cut you're right

[32:16] so if you go back up to uh well first

[32:20] special

[32:21] permits

[32:24] um the um I think you have some language

[32:28] that the planning boards has authority

[32:30] over certain special permits I think

[32:33] that might be a good place to

[32:35] incorporate I believe you Ken you did an

[32:38] inventory or there's an inventory

[32:40] somewhere what special permits we have

[32:42] authority

[32:43] over I guess yeah I recall we'll have to

[32:46] dig that out I remember putting

[32:48] something together for that so rather

[32:50] than say certain bylaws just say what

[32:53] the special permit jurisdiction is right

[32:57] um I think we want to have a reference

[33:00] here to the separate subdivision

[33:03] regulations which we have already

[33:05] adopted so just uh just a clarification

[33:10] that yes we have

[33:12] authority to adopt subdivision

[33:15] regulations and we have done it in a

[33:17] separate

[33:19] document right

[33:21] um and then I think um we just want to

[33:25] be sure if we do have where wherever we

[33:29] have if these four or five uh site plan

[33:34] approval um home occupation uh if we

[33:39] only had promised to adopt regulations

[33:43] in a few of them then we should have

[33:46] that few at least as a starting point

[33:50] and the rest of them can be covered

[33:52] under the general special permits

[33:56] section

[34:00] we do have

[34:02] very know site plan approval which is a

[34:05] special permit for appeals purposes is

[34:08] probably the most common one we do um

[34:11] home occupation was big for a while we

[34:15] haven't the one we just did is the only

[34:17] one we've done in the last five years

[34:20] probably and um I don't know if we've

[34:23] ever done a site plan approval for for

[34:26] uh soil removal

[34:38] to your point Joe I think that yeah

[34:41] maybe a 40-page document but at the same

[34:44] time if someone's coming in for site

[34:46] plan approval they're not going to be

[34:48] looking not going to be worried about

[34:50] how long the chapter on U inclusionary

[34:54] zoning might

[34:55] be um I think if we can keep most people

[35:00] are only in for one thing or two things

[35:03] at at any one

[35:06] time

[35:11] um so um they'll look at the portions

[35:15] that just relate to what they're

[35:17] interested

[35:24] in thank you Mr DWI

[35:32] is this a good place uh in this document

[35:35] to put a general statement about um

[35:41] limits of our approval that our approval

[35:44] is on

[35:46] our um bylaws and codes and does

[35:50] not uh bypass other you know what you

[35:55] have on that standard sheet that they

[35:57] sign off after an approve you know would

[35:59] there be someplace in here that would be

[36:01] good to I think that would be

[36:05] appropriate

[36:07] um trying to remember if there is a

[36:11] statement required yeah that that

[36:13] statement good

[36:17] [Music]

[36:25] point yes okay um if it's not here I

[36:29] will make sure to include that statement

[36:31] of authority and limitation mark thank

[36:38] you do that mean I'm just trying to

[36:41] think this is kind of a place to put

[36:43] FAQs you know things

[36:46] that I'm thinking of it as a place

[36:49] to if it's a first place that people go

[36:52] to who don't you know they're not like

[36:54] Randy eer that they're here every every

[36:57] other

[36:59] meeting might be a good kind of I FAQs

[37:03] isn't quite the right term

[37:09] but yeah but you I'm correct me I'm

[37:13] wrong Mark you're picturing something

[37:15] like an appendix that might just be like

[37:18] a streamline process for any

[37:21] applicant or quick

[37:24] yeah quick we we've we've worked on that

[37:27] kind of stream that that if then right

[37:32] get very gets very Case by case I don't

[37:35] know I think Jim or or Bill might might

[37:38] correct me but I think we might have

[37:39] wanted to shy away from that because

[37:41] there's always gonna be a case when they

[37:43] say well your diagram didn't say I had

[37:45] to go there you know right or we have a

[37:48] catchall that says and any other

[37:51] applicable but

[37:55] yeah I think this is is a good place to

[37:57] give

[37:58] people the basic Lowdown

[38:02] on how about the statement we're not

[38:06] any zoning enforcement board or a

[38:11] policymaking board does you think that

[38:14] needs to be in because somebody will say

[38:16] I'm coming to the planning board because

[38:18] I noticed the zoning violation or is

[38:21] that

[38:25] redundant that might fit somewhere into

[38:27] the the section one or two you know that

[38:32] what was one that was in

[38:34] introduction uh yes it's introduction

[38:37] and then you have your organization

[38:39] which starts off with the duties of the

[38:42] board

[38:44] um and there could possibly

[38:47] be you know you could at the end of that

[38:50] say things that are not duties of this

[38:53] board and that's where Joe's statement

[38:55] you know we are not an enforcement

[38:59] uh correct yeah we could we're not a

[39:03] collections Bureau we're not a

[39:08] yeah but in line with that Andy we in

[39:15] the past we have had people that would

[39:17] come to us or board members that would

[39:20] point out zoning problems and uh

[39:25] generally we present it to our full

[39:28] board and then we vote on it and when we

[39:31] vote on it we vote to send the concern

[39:35] to the building inspector or the zoning

[39:37] enforcement officer enforcement officer

[39:39] correct I don't think that has to be

[39:41] included but that's just the way we we

[39:44] operate with a

[39:54] conern yeah perhaps perhaps not

[39:57] procedure to include in this document

[39:59] but I think a fair approach to Fielding

[40:02] concerns from

[40:05] citizens because of institutional

[40:07] knowledge on this board many times

[40:10] somebody at Town Hall will say well go

[40:12] to the planning

[40:14] board that's um absolutely and so thank

[40:19] you gentlemen for class tonight uh it's

[40:21] been it's been helpful I always do

[40:23] appreciate joining you and bringing you

[40:25] um hopefully something to contribute to

[40:28] your wonderful work um I think um

[40:34] this the last 30 minutes or so has been

[40:37] a helpful exercise because like you said

[40:40] um Mike there's a lot of institutional

[40:42] knowledge and I believe you brought it

[40:44] up or someone else in our last meeting

[40:47] um I I like the document to reflect how

[40:50] Hadley does business and it's readable

[40:53] and it's accessible uh and I appreciate

[40:56] the feedback tonight

[40:58] um I think I have enough Direction um I

[41:03] think I have something um a lot to

[41:06] accomplish but I think we can like you

[41:08] said bill I think this could go a lot

[41:10] faster than I would

[41:12] fear one of my one of my concerns has

[41:15] been the transition to the next planning

[41:18] board members because it's gonna happen

[41:21] it has it will happen and I don't know

[41:23] if this is an appropriate place to try

[41:25] to

[41:26] figure something out but

[41:29] uh well yeah I think you're you're

[41:31] absolutely right we're we're writing

[41:33] down what we do what we you know someone

[41:37] comes into the board and

[41:40] we Jim or I usually or Joe gives them

[41:44] the same Spiel every time yeah about uh

[41:48] you know come in to see us informally

[41:50] then file with us so that we can review

[41:53] for completeness and then you should

[41:55] take it to per review da da da da da da

[41:59] um and

[42:01] U you you've heard it enough times now

[42:04] that you and you and Mark can probably

[42:07] repeat it uh from memory but uh writing

[42:12] it down is going to make it that's going

[42:14] to be our transition plan that uh this

[42:18] is what's worked for us and this is how

[42:21] we've done it and U yeah let's capture

[42:24] it uh as best we can here so that when

[42:28] someone comes in with uh you know zero

[42:31] experience you can hand them this it's

[42:34] probably going to be more important to a

[42:37] new board member than to a community

[42:40] member well my main concern is a

[42:43] transition plan for you and Mr

[42:46] maximi well it's the added WR down what

[42:50] you do and then you say yeah and that

[42:54] way to your point Mike if it's written

[42:56] down good it doesn't have to be super

[43:00] specific but it has to be specific

[43:02] enough that somebody knew coming in

[43:04] should something happen to one or all

[43:08] three of us God forbid you know at least

[43:11] there's guidelines on how how to operate

[43:14] well then someone at pvpc can help

[43:17] people interpret this stuff I mean

[43:20] it's I think that's why we've got them

[43:24] well we've got them because Mike this is another historical perspective

[43:31] there was a

[43:32] committee uh formed I call it the

[43:36] anti-plane board that wanted to get a uh

[43:40] a town planner that they would appoint

[43:44] and that could overrule or basically

[43:46] dictate what's going to happen to the uh

[43:49] members that were elected and uh so one

[43:55] of the the compromise was yes why do we

[43:59] hire Pioneer Valley planning Authority

[44:01] they can help us negotiate some of the

[44:05] more difficult zoning regulations and

[44:08] also help us craft zoning bylaws so from

[44:13] the

[44:15] Inception uh they've been very

[44:18] helpful but certainly like uh many

[44:23] organizations that organization has

[44:25] gotten huge you

[44:28] know so I do want to assure you Kyle

[44:31] that it is easier to edit than to create

[44:35] so this is not intended as a a criticism

[44:39] of your work um just working our way

[44:43] through it no I um I do appreciate that

[44:47] bill and I appreciate the process and uh

[44:51] I take it all in stride and recognize

[44:53] it's it's part of it um I think once we

[44:57] have everything here um the editing will

[45:00] come along quickly and I appreciate

[45:01] everybody's attention to that um I'll be

[45:04] sure to get this with enough Headway so

[45:07] everyone will have plenty of time to

[45:09] review and I'll try to be respectful of

[45:12] the the board's practice of getting

[45:13] things to you on

[45:15] Fridays uh if not sooner um but I

[45:19] welcome any any feedback you have uh the

[45:23] document uh in the email I'm happy to

[45:25] resend it

[45:27] um and I can also send it as a I think I

[45:30] sent it as a PDF so I can send it as a

[45:32] Word document if you prefer just let me

[45:34] know

[45:35] um and yeah please um I welcome all the

[45:39] feedback that's all I have for this

[45:41] document tonight thank

[45:46] you

[45:48] great anything else Mr

[45:51] Kyle Mr anything from Mr

[45:54] comia um do Mr

[45:57] Ken well other than um really

[46:00] appreciating Kyle's work on um many of

[46:03] these

[46:05] various um documents that a lot of the

[46:09] planning boards that we're working with

[46:11] um it's this type of work we're putting

[46:13] together a set of rules and regulations

[46:15] and we're having similar conversations

[46:17] about what belongs in there and what

[46:20] doesn't um so it's very helpful um I

[46:23] think for both Kyle and myself to create

[46:26] some efficiencies um and understand some

[46:28] efficiencies as we do this work

[46:31] elsewhere um and what may work in Hadley

[46:34] is not necessarily going to work in

[46:35] pelum vice versa um but I think um since

[46:40] our last meeting the the biggest to do

[46:42] and I don't know if the board has given

[46:45] an additional thought to um DTA that at

[46:48] the moment is due um on Friday that

[46:52] application there was the conversation

[46:54] that we had at the last meeting which

[46:56] was regarding um an assessment of

[47:01] parcels um for a possible 40R District

[47:05] um whether or not that's something that

[47:06] the board wants to do um I will say that

[47:10] you're probably not alone if that's

[47:12] something that you would want to do um I

[47:15] have at least three applications that

[47:16] are coming in that are going to be

[47:18] looking at

[47:19] 40R um so I you know I'm here to you

[47:23] know address any questions that you may

[47:25] have

[47:26] um as to what the expectations may be

[47:29] for the application I think as you've

[47:31] done in the past the application is

[47:33] pretty minimal um it's a narrative it's

[47:37] you know maybe aligning some pages from

[47:40] um the various plans that the town has

[47:42] adopted you've adopted the master plan

[47:45] you have adopted the housing production

[47:47] plan um and then um just attaching that

[47:51] to documents that you would forward to

[47:53] the executive director um um so I think

[47:56] that was the other component of work

[47:58] that we're currently working on um you

[48:01] know this discussion of of um 40R that's

[48:04] something that the board still wants to work

[48:07] on um in addition to any other tasks

[48:10] that you may identify in you know in

[48:12] your work plan um but it's the rules and

[48:15] Rags that Kyle's been working on and um

[48:18] anything else and would this would this

[48:22] be a subcommittee or is this just

[48:24] something that how does that work so you

[48:28] mean what DLT like how that DTA project

[48:32] if if the if to have the applies and

[48:34] they receive the DTA Grant sure um how

[48:40] does that operate on a 40R it can

[48:44] operate in multiple ways so similarly to

[48:48] the housing production plan um you had a

[48:52] committee um that was made up of members

[48:54] of the community

[48:56] um in addition to probably representing

[48:58] other committees in town um I could

[49:01] foresee you know the discussion points

[49:04] and presentation of data that would be

[49:06] presented to the town go through that

[49:08] committee um in some towns when they

[49:11] work on 4dr it's working with the town

[49:14] planner and the planning board and

[49:15] attending the planning board meetings so

[49:18] you know it's it's dependent on how if

[49:21] you were awarded that particular Grant

[49:24] how you would want

[49:26] this particular process to look like but

[49:29] as you you may know as you probably know

[49:32] is the grant is runs from January to

[49:35] December so um you know within the work

[49:38] plan identifying time in addition to

[49:41] maybe anything else that you may have us

[49:44] working on outside of

[49:48] DTA okay I'm going to share um my screen

[49:52] I did put it on the agenda for tonight

[49:56] uh to uh I did put the application on I

[49:59] filled it out and I've done a narrative

[50:02] so let me just bring up a couple of

[50:05] things um I'll just note that Mike had

[50:08] his hand

[50:14] raised so here is the uh the

[50:19] narrative for the

[50:24] DTA

[50:27] you can see that let me get it a little

[50:30] bigger

[50:32] yeah what I

[50:34] wanted that's not what I

[50:37] wanted okay I don't know where it went

[50:39] so hang on a sec I'll try again you just

[50:45] had

[50:51] uh okay well let me go to the

[50:53] application first as Ken said it's very

[50:58] basic that's

[51:02] it you know just have um authorize U Jim

[51:08] to sign

[51:09] it now stop share on

[51:13] that and go back to the

[51:20] narrative

[51:21] [Music]

[51:23] and start share on

[51:29] that okay so again it is uh a

[51:36] very very brief

[51:42] narrative you want to take a look at

[51:44] that if you have any

[51:54] suggestions supposed to be a future town

[51:56] meeting I I guess the key word is there

[52:00] we have been

[52:02] discussing uh 40R as a board for months

[52:06] and the impetus for this came

[52:10] from CDC

[52:12] proposing the cage as a 40R property and

[52:17] that was going to be our lead property

[52:20] in this

[52:21] 40R application but in the meantime

[52:24] there's no longer

[52:26] legal things happening regarding that

[52:28] property the state has

[52:30] decided Ken that it'll be affordable

[52:34] housing uh so is that included in a 40

[52:39] hour application if there's a Fed

[52:44] complete you mean the impetus for

[52:48] creating a 40R District would have

[52:50] started if the

[52:53] 40b would there be a need for a 40R if

[52:56] the 40b project was approved is that

[52:59] what you're asking the state has said

[53:02] there was some you know there was a

[53:04] lawsuit and the state has decided that

[53:06] the econ Lage will be affordable housing

[53:10] in spite of what go further Mike uh the

[53:14] select board denied the funding for the

[53:17] zoning board of appeals who made the

[53:20] decision so they could fight that and we

[53:23] could win because we have 11 .9% of our

[53:26] housing is Affordable but it appears

[53:30] that this has become more political than

[53:32] one would like to see and we were work a

[53:36] compromised by seeing if we could

[53:38] include the Cel Lodge in the 40R and

[53:42] then help to kind of dictate what type

[53:46] of people would be living there so this

[53:49] kind of blows the 40R out of the water

[53:51] why even proceed if the state is going

[53:53] to tell you what have to do that's one

[53:57] project uh the 40 this is an important

[54:01] uh yeah the 40R District we've talked

[54:05] about it and talked about it all around

[54:07] the edges of it but what we have not

[54:09] done is actually gotten to the point of

[54:11] what a 40R bylaw would look like well we no we haven't we have not well in all

[54:19] due respect the original impetus was the

[54:22] hope that we could put the economic 40b

[54:26] But Ken came back and saying we have

[54:30] something a little bit more Global

[54:35] and yeah that's the district area but it

[54:39] doesn't say anything about what the

[54:41] district rules will be I mean are we

[54:44] going to limit it to duplexes are we

[54:47] going to allow three story apartment

[54:50] buildings I think that's the kind of

[54:53] detail that we haven't we've not gotten

[54:55] into on something like this well I guess

[54:59] the problem excuse me go ahead the

[55:02] problem is that if you're not going to

[55:03] defend the zoning

[55:05] bylaw in court why have a zoning bylaw

[55:09] why put something in about 40 hour if

[55:11] it's not going to be defended exactly

[55:13] right and and it's going to be a tough

[55:16] sale at at the town meeting uh try to

[55:20] defend something where we have our

[55:23] number is 11.9 9% affordable housing yet

[55:27] they overrule Us by putting more in than

[55:31] of course the

[55:34] uh the the motel down the street too no

[55:37] one one thing we've learned is that the

[55:39] 40R is not a quick

[55:41] fix if we are looking at doing something

[55:46] with 40R taking it to the May

[55:52] 2025 annual town meeting is probably the

[55:57] quickest turnaround we can

[55:59] anticipate so we're uh we're looking at

[56:04] uh we're talking talk about planning

[56:06] this is this is 18 months out and the

[56:10] goal of getting the Grant in the next

[56:13] year would be to take some time

[56:16] to put together you know fill in the uh

[56:20] fill in the blanks on the U the sketch

[56:23] we have uh

[56:26] and see what it would really look like

[56:28] and then at that

[56:29] point um we can take it to town meeting

[56:34] and you can say what you want about it

[56:35] at town meeting okay my question to you

[56:38] Bill is if we come up with a 40R and

[56:40] let's say we would like to put just the

[56:43] Econo section into 40R or one small

[56:47] section which would be pount to spot

[56:50] zoning would we if would we propose

[56:54] something like that to a town to our

[56:56] town we know we know that say we would

[57:00] all of Route n converted from business

[57:03] through

[57:04] Apartments well my point is isn't the

[57:06] eono Lage now out of play isn't it out

[57:10] of play well you know it was out of play

[57:11] for 40R anyway because when we had the

[57:14] gentleman from Boston he said that when

[57:17] you do a 40R after a failed 40b the

[57:21] state doesn't give you the um the per

[57:24] unit

[57:25] cash payment that generally comes with a

[57:29] 4dr but if we talk about something a

[57:33] little more

[57:35] expansive let's say Econolodge plus the

[57:40] Hampshire mall

[57:42] property and what could we develop that

[57:45] would work for that or maybe extend it

[57:49] down as far as Howard

[57:52] Johnson's um

[57:55] I I agree we're not looking

[57:58] for the plan that was shared a few

[58:02] months

[58:04] ago was a wish list but I think that

[58:10] um whatever I want to just separate the

[58:14] area with the text of what the zoning

[58:18] bylaw the the meat of what a zoning

[58:20] bylaw would look like um we're told have

[58:25] all sorts of options about allowing this

[58:27] type and that type but we haven't really

[58:31] explored what that looks

[58:33] like

[58:35] um and I think we also need to get a

[58:38] sense get something out there and get a

[58:41] sense of what the we can Zone everything

[58:45] we want for three-story apartment

[58:49] buildings but it's not going to get us

[58:52] it's not going to happen if there's not

[58:54] a developer out there who's interested

[58:56] in building that product so um like to

[59:01] see I I would like to know more about

[59:03] what a 40R

[59:05] District you know how you put it

[59:07] together what you what you can allow and

[59:12] what you can restrict and I'd like to put in the grand

[59:17] application see if we can uh get some

[59:21] help getting a little further along and

[59:24] we'll see where it

[59:29] leads yes Kyle if I may um just offer a

[59:34] perspective uh Ken and I were in a

[59:36] meeting with another Community today who

[59:40] um they have adopted two separate 40R

[59:45] districts

[59:47] and um having that having adopted those

[59:51] a few years ago to date nothing has

[59:54] broken ground there's only one um that

[59:59] has a developer in line they're lining

[1:00:02] up

[1:00:03] financing and then the other one is

[1:00:05] likely unappealing the way that the text

[1:00:07] is written it may seem like a Prime

[1:00:11] Property for redevelopment and they're

[1:00:14] that Community is actually considering

[1:00:16] revising that existing 40R bylaw so um

[1:00:22] just going back to what Mr DWI said

[1:00:24] about planning and

[1:00:25] timelines um you know this work if you

[1:00:29] were to apply for the grant and go

[1:00:30] through the process it might not really

[1:00:33] materialize in dramatic change for years

[1:00:37] if at all that's that's not the issue

[1:00:39] here but you have your say the issue was

[1:00:43] whether you have a zoning by law and you

[1:00:44] decided to defend it in court or

[1:00:47] not the issue I have with proceeding

[1:00:50] ahead is that yes we have a master plan

[1:00:55] every five to seven years and then we

[1:00:58] list the things that people are

[1:00:59] concerned about and the overwhelming

[1:01:02] concern is that we preserve the open

[1:01:05] space agricultureal land of the uh the

[1:01:08] town of Hadley but often times people

[1:01:12] will come down to the 10th item in the

[1:01:16] what people are wishing for and they'll

[1:01:18] say well it's in your master plan and

[1:01:21] that it's it's in the master plan then

[1:01:24] the planning board is is got to be

[1:01:27] looking at it to approve it and uh

[1:01:32] so I'm afraid if we start down this road

[1:01:35] people are going to say well the

[1:01:36] planning board said it's 40 hours look

[1:01:39] at and maybe we should adopt it so

[1:01:43] uh that that's my concern I agree I will

[1:01:48] say that absolutely I am not in favor

[1:01:53] of

[1:01:54] extending a 40R to any undeveloped

[1:01:58] land it would only in my opinion work

[1:02:02] for

[1:02:04] redevelopment adaptive reuse of existing

[1:02:07] developed property the um Hampshire mall

[1:02:11] the mountain Farms Mall the Howard

[1:02:13] Johnson's they're never going back into

[1:02:16] agriculture okay you make a valid point

[1:02:19] there but the other side of the point is

[1:02:22] this term smart gr every time there is

[1:02:26] some housing or an apartment complex

[1:02:29] next to a a large development whether it

[1:02:31] be lows or whether it be the three-story

[1:02:34] apartment house that went in uh at the

[1:02:37] Amis Hadley Town Line people because

[1:02:41] they live in the area are going to

[1:02:42] oppose it so it adversely affects the

[1:02:45] future of the business Zone in route

[1:02:48] n yeah and I hear what you're saying

[1:02:50] bill but once you get in bed so to speak

[1:02:54] with the state on this you don't know

[1:02:57] what's going to happen and it's was

[1:02:59] proved with a decision a couple weeks

[1:03:02] ago once you get in bed with a state and

[1:03:04] they start giving you

[1:03:05] money all bets are

[1:03:09] off I just want to add a comment if I

[1:03:13] thought I heard something earlier to the

[1:03:15] contrary my understanding is that I mean

[1:03:18] I would like to proceed with applying

[1:03:20] for this

[1:03:22] grant with the understanding that there

[1:03:24] no commitment that we're going to push a

[1:03:28] 4dr we're investigating we're looking if

[1:03:31] it fits us well we're looking what we

[1:03:33] can and can't do about it it's just I I

[1:03:38] think the DTA would be ashamed

[1:03:41] to to miss the opportunity to

[1:03:44] investigate this opportunity

[1:03:51] more I'm in favor of of of applying for

[1:03:54] this grant to to research the Zone bylaw

[1:03:57] portion of it I

[1:03:59] mean start with something see what we

[1:04:01] get if we goes to town meeting if we get

[1:04:03] something out of it and it goes to town

[1:04:05] meeting and they say no they say no end

[1:04:09] of problem end of

[1:04:12] discussion I'll just point out that how

[1:04:15] I wor I worded this very

[1:04:18] intentionally explore chapter 40 R

[1:04:21] zoning District on route nine okay

[1:04:24] that's

[1:04:26] helpful commitment course now that Ken

[1:04:29] knows

[1:04:32] that probably not get a grant now

[1:04:35] because we we're not gung-ho for this um

[1:04:39] could it should it say something about a bylaw too

[1:04:44] Bill I think it's inherent that in the 4

[1:04:48] adopt the 40R zoning District you have

[1:04:50] to create a bylaw okay but let's Leap

[1:04:55] Forward after the study's done and we

[1:04:59] got a 40 yard

[1:05:01] District can the econol be included in

[1:05:04] that if the state said this is going to

[1:05:06] be affordable housing no matter what the

[1:05:08] town

[1:05:10] wants I think it can be I don't know as

[1:05:13] it needs to

[1:05:17] be you c a large count for affordable

[1:05:20] housing units yes it pumps the number

[1:05:24] num up

[1:05:26] yes but you'll never get that one

[1:05:30] time um payout from the

[1:05:38] state from the state he said no um the

[1:05:43] state is so hungry for this kind of

[1:05:46] stuff you never

[1:05:49] know well they're going to do it up up

[1:05:51] at the kitridge property in Leverett

[1:06:01] we need to do I will make a motion I'll

[1:06:06] make a motion to apply for the grant and

[1:06:09] I would second have a motion and a

[1:06:12] second any other discussion well I think

[1:06:15] my concerns have been uh heard and if

[1:06:19] you to to to quote Benjamin Franklin

[1:06:21] you've got a republic if you can keep it

[1:06:24] and to bring It Forward you got a zoning

[1:06:26] bylaw If you defend it but I'm going to

[1:06:29] vote for Bill's uh

[1:06:32] motion with that said um any other

[1:06:36] discussion just to cover our basis on

[1:06:38] this I'll go for a roll call vote Mr

[1:06:40] dwire yes Mr Mr Dunn yes Mr

[1:06:47] sari yes Mr

[1:06:50] zagrodnik

[1:06:53] Obin okay Mr maximos yes v motion passes

[1:06:58] 4 Z one

[1:07:03] exension on what grounds is the

[1:07:06] abstaining oh yeah can I just email you

[1:07:09] that with a signature listening to me

[1:07:11] Mike when I was giving my speech so um I

[1:07:15] yeah I think that there are um

[1:07:17] directions I think you have to include

[1:07:19] the executive director it should be

[1:07:20] directed to her um and then there's

[1:07:24] additional copy lines but you can

[1:07:25] definitely copy me on that okay okay

[1:07:29] I'll um I'll get you the application

[1:07:31] tonight if you can sign it and either

[1:07:33] electronically or Inc and scan it back

[1:07:36] to me I'll get it in okay all

[1:07:42] right when would you like to come back

[1:07:47] pvpc we do have we traditionally been

[1:07:51] trying to do the first Tuesday for

[1:07:54] planning but that's January

[1:07:56] 2nd uh coming off of uh a holiday week

[1:08:02] basically

[1:08:04] um and we do have a public hearing

[1:08:07] schedule the same one the garden center

[1:08:09] gentleman uh was continued to that we do

[1:08:13] have a public hearing on the 19 uh 16th

[1:08:16] as well that is for a very small

[1:08:19] subdivision uh that probably is not

[1:08:22] going to be

[1:08:25] much of an issue because the the abutter

[1:08:27] next door himself is the beneficiary of

[1:08:30] a very small subdivision a few years ago

[1:08:33] so um I don't anticipate that that's

[1:08:36] going to be a hot

[1:08:38] night uh so does the 16th work or would

[1:08:42] you like to hold on to the

[1:08:49] second

[1:08:51] um I think between Kyle and I if we're

[1:08:55] considering

[1:08:57] um the rules and Rags Kyle probably

[1:09:01] would be the the mo he's the one that's

[1:09:03] working the closest on it um and I think

[1:09:06] he may be available but I think if

[1:09:09] anything um it may just be him um but

[1:09:14] that probably would make sense to do the

[1:09:15] 16th if Kyle's

[1:09:17] available that does work for me so I'll

[1:09:20] plan on the

[1:09:21] 16th and would we

[1:09:24] be likely at that point to know the

[1:09:27] outcome of the DTA grants that's a good

[1:09:30] question um I'm hoping so because the

[1:09:34] intention of creating the process before

[1:09:36] the new year is that we would be able to

[1:09:39] move um a lot sooner rather than

[1:09:42] mid-march which has been typically the

[1:09:44] time that we've started DTA projects so

[1:09:48] I'm hoping by that time we would have um

[1:09:51] knowledge of the projects that were

[1:09:53] chosen

[1:09:54] okay so if we are successful that'll

[1:09:57] give us a chance to do some planning for

[1:10:00] that as well

[1:10:05] sure

[1:10:08] okay um I don't see anything

[1:10:12] else um Tom

[1:10:16] quinland any any drainage

[1:10:22] issues the never sto but we're working

[1:10:25] on him

[1:10:27] okay

[1:10:31] thanks all

[1:10:33] right I've got nothing

[1:10:37] else anybody else have anything I have

[1:10:40] nothing else all right motion to adjourn

[1:10:44] so move seconded all favor I I beus

[1:10:50] history thank you Ken thank you Kyle and

[1:10:53] thank you good

[1:11:01] night

Hadley Planning Board 12-5-23

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