[9:20] Hey uh good good evening and welcome to the committee of the whole meeting for

[9:24] the uh 14th council town of H Valley Goosebay for the month of September. Um

[9:30] call the meeting to order and uh we'll start off with finance

[9:34] administration policy committee. There's no decisions being made here tonight for

[9:38] the interest of the public as discussion on the items that will come forward at

[9:41] the at the regular public meeting at the end of the month. So I'll ask uh

[9:44] councelor Denise Rumble to bring forward a report from finance administration and

[9:49] policy. >> No report um at committee of the whole

[9:54] mayor but I will bring forward our information items.

[9:58] » Um so our first item that we'll be discussing this evening is policy A0014.

[10:06] So, we've done several times where we've reviewed things and brought them into

[10:11] line with Towns and Local Service District Act opposed to what we used to

[10:17] have in place for the >> I hears music or something.

[10:23] » And it stopped. >> Yeah.

[10:25] » I don't hear anything. >> Okay.

[10:27] » Municipalities Act of uh New uh Newfoundland and Labrador 1999. So this

[10:34] one is specific to committee of the whole meetings and reports.

[10:40] Policy statement says that on the second Tuesday of each month a public committee

[10:44] of the whole meeting will take place. Committee of the whole will include all

[10:47] counselors and management who are asked to attend. The committee of the whole

[10:51] will allow all recommendations and motions to be presented and provide an

[10:54] opportunity for counselors to seek or find clarification prior to the monthly

[10:59] meeting. All committees struck by council are required to meet and produce

[11:04] a report every month. All reports must be presented at the regular monthly

[11:08] meeting. The executive assistant will complete the committee of the whole

[11:12] package by Thursday preceding the meeting and publish it in escribe for

[11:16] council to access and review. The committee of the whole package will

[11:20] include recommendations and motions with briefing notes supporting documentation

[11:24] received before the deadline of noon on Wednesday preceding the committee of the

[11:28] whole meeting. It is the responsibility of the counselors to review the

[11:33] committee of the whole package and to be familiar with all information contained

[11:36] within. And it is in if in reviewing the committee of the whole package questions

[11:41] arise concerning specific items, it is strongly suggested that counselors

[11:45] contact the applicable chairperson for clarification prior to the public

[11:49] meeting. The chairperson will request clarifying information by contacting the

[11:54] CEO at least 24 hours in advance of the scheduled meeting time. So um because

[12:01] prior to the TL SDA we didn't really meet as a committee of

[12:09] the whole so this is Naen is this I'm sorry CEO is this a brand new policy or

[12:16] it's just a revised >> this is replacing our

[12:21] committee policy correct okay so anybody have any questions concerns feedback

[12:27] back. Pretty straightforward. >> We're looking for feedback.

[12:32] » We're looking for feedback. >> I think it's just straightforward. I

[12:36] mean, there's nothing in that that really stands out unless you

[12:40] » you think of anything that What exactly are you looking for feedback on?

[12:43] » I have feedback. [laughter] What I'm wondering is um so what we have

[12:50] done because we don't have separate meetings. There was a point in time

[12:54] where I was somebody would be the chair of the CPD committee. Somebody else

[12:59] would be the chair of the now rather than a chair because you're not actually

[13:03] chairing a meeting. It's like the finance lead, the you know recreation

[13:09] lead. Um in previous council what we did was we rotated the leads so that

[13:14] everybody had the opportunity to learn thoroughly about each department. We're

[13:19] coming up on our first year and I'm just wondering will we be doing a rotation.

[13:24] Um I don't know if that has to be included in the statement. Um if it

[13:29] would say something to the effect of you know with each counselor being exposed

[13:34] to all departments or at every opportunity. Um so I'm just wondering

[13:40] what everybody else feels about that. There was a discussion about having uh

[13:45] separate maybe two or three committee meetings per month and I think that's

[13:50] we're still trying to uh see how we're going to move forward on

[13:55] that. Right. >> Yeah.

[13:56] » Yeah. >> I I think council will have to have a

[13:58] discussion and decide what they want to do with respect to committees or

[14:02] committee leads. Um and Deputy Mayor Wright uh we had some formal

[14:08] discussions, informal discussions I should say on that and um without having

[14:13] to call a public meeting um because all meetings are supposed to be public uh

[14:19] meetings that are related to HR and finance issues uh can be held as uh as

[14:25] closed meetings and uh that's something that we're looking to do uh you know

[14:32] after this month after after we have the first year in now everybody's got their

[14:36] feet wet and uh we should know the rules and procedures right now if not maybe a

[14:40] refresher might be required but uh as for committee to hold I think it's

[14:45] working okay but we need to have that extra engagement when it comes to

[14:48] certain issues that are very sensitive or especially we're getting into

[14:51] collective bargaining again this year and we're going to have budgeting coming

[14:54] up so those are discussions we're not going to have in public so we'll have to

[14:58] have those meetings in in close session so U after this month's meeting, we'll

[15:05] we'll convene to try and develop kind of schedule where we can all uh work get

[15:10] more information during those during those meetings.

[15:13] So, anything else? >> Okay, next one.

[15:18] » So, my next one is in regards to and I because I did them out of order is um

[15:25] the

[15:28] just based the regular council meetings. So our policy statement says all council

[15:34] meetings must be held in accordance with the rules and regulations as specified

[15:37] under the towns and local service district act. The town council will hold

[15:41] one regular meeting monthly meeting per annual resolution as per section 39

[15:48] uh subsection 3. The town council can hold special meetings on any date during

[15:53] the month. The special meeting will not replace the regular scheduled public

[15:58] council meeting. Special meetings must be advertised at least 24 hours in

[16:02] advance to the public and shall be open to the public. All counselors, the CEO

[16:08] or designate will attend as well as management who are asked to attend. So

[16:14] that's with our regular monthly meetings. And again, anybody have any

[16:18] feedback or anything that they think needs to be added suggested?

[16:24] » Straightforward. >> Okay. So again, just basic housekeeping

[16:29] on some of this. And then my third item up for discussion

[16:36] and not the motivation for me thinking that we should shift committees,

[16:41] [laughter] but this month um we will once again and

[16:47] it's important to um make sure that the public is aware that when we do a bunch

[16:54] of uncollectible accounts receivable write offs, it's always done through the

[17:01] viewpoint of making sure that we have accurate bookkeeping. So, I cannot

[17:07] stress enough when we say that um making writing something off or making it

[17:15] listed as uncollectible, what that does is it gives us an

[17:19] accurate um financial figure to work with, but it

[17:24] doesn't mean that something will never be collected. If the opportunity arises

[17:31] to collect, we will still collect. So, what we have is a couple of options in

[17:36] front of us. We can approve the write offs. Um, this time I have, I believe

[17:41] it's 24 and they're varying from principal and

[17:46] interest. Um, I think it's all principal and interest.

[17:51] I don't know if there were any other. Um, but if we approve the write-

[17:57] off, what that will do is it will ensure that the town's financial statements

[18:02] accurately reflect our collectible balances. If we choose not to approve

[18:08] this, um it would result in retaining amounts on record that have been

[18:12] verified as uncollectible, which is, you know, uh not painting a

[18:18] clear picture and it would conflict with our intent on our policy of F-0024.

[18:24] We're also about to begin a relationship with a new or we have recently begun a

[18:29] relationship with a new um accounting service and we want to make sure that

[18:37] their information that we're providing to them is as accurate as possible. So

[18:43] everybody good with bringing them forward for uncollectible?

[18:47] » Y >> and if that's good with everybody then

[18:51] that's it for me. This >> all right. Thank you counselor. Um,

[18:54] moving to community planning and development and councelor Dyson, please.

[19:00] » Thank you, Mayor. Um, we've got

[19:06] 11 >> items to discuss. The uh first two was

[19:12] uh amendments to the um town plan. These were discussed

[19:19] um approved the last time around. amendment number six and an amendment

[19:23] number eight. Now, I did talk to Mr. Dylan earlier and I thought he was going

[19:29] to be here to um to give an outline on that, but those were already approved.

[19:35] Um and I don't have any any details on

[19:40] either of those, but they were already approved. He just

[19:43] said that they were the ones >> you just had to have a motion to

[19:46] council. >> We will have there will be a motion at

[19:48] the at the public meeting to approve those.

[19:51] » Okay. >> Um we have uh Crownlands application.

[19:56] I have to go back and forth because the list I have here is mixed up with this

[20:01] with the list in the package. So the first one was the Crownlands application

[20:08] uh for uh to object to uh

[20:14] area of 26262 Hamilton River Road was requested. uh

[20:20] the land is zone town center development center development scheme area and the

[20:22] scheme area and the proposed use in the proposed use in the application is not

[20:25] application is not permitted or permitted or discretionary with the um

[20:28] discretionary with the um town center town center development scheme area and

[20:33] development scheme area and that was an that was an application for

[20:35] application for

[20:39] three for a hotel and that's down three for a hotel and that's down

[20:44] around the bottom of the hill and it's around the bottom of the hill and it's

[20:47] not zoned for uh the land is zone town

[20:47] not zoned for that >> you familiar with that area?

[20:52] » Google maps shows it as being almost directly across from the tree nursery.

[20:57] » Yes. >> So yeah, on that side of the road

[21:00] » that came up before for the same reason. >> Yep. So So the recommendation is to

[21:05] object to that because it's not a permitted use. That was that's

[21:09] Crownlands application 165823. Uh

[21:15] let's see. Crownlands application 165841

[21:23] is

[21:26] um so the town is requesting that there is no objection to the Crownlands

[21:32] application located at 268 Hamilton River Road. Um, that application is for

[21:39] a garage and that meets the permitted use. So, I

[21:44] got a question on that one. I know in previous years there was an application

[21:48] for crown lands for that piece of land and at the time um there was a request

[21:55] for I believe 90 meter frontage and the town uh agreed to allow or to not object

[22:03] to a 60 meter frontage because there was ever access to the town center that that

[22:09] would have been ideal place for a road. There was 30 meter access there whether

[22:13] the town applied for that or not. I'm just curious as to the property owner on

[22:18] the other side and uh that had applied for 90 frontage

[22:25] and were I think uh got 60 because the town was looking at an access road that

[22:32] would go into the town center area. something that we should probably check

[22:37] out before we make a decision on that. CEO,

[22:40] » what was >> I remember that one.

[22:42] » What was the What was the prior one applied for? Was it for a garage?

[22:46] » It was just for crown land application. That's all it was. There was no use

[22:50] because the land application use comes after.

[22:52] » Yeah, that's right. >> So, you know, whether they put a garage

[22:55] there or not, garage would be refer to the hair salon. I mean, so whatever he

[22:59] put there is irrelevant really complies. But do you recall that?

[23:03] » I remember applicant's name. So, >> yeah. Yeah, I remember the applicant's

[23:07] name as well. >> And there was about a road going in.

[23:10] » There was about a road going in. You remember that?

[23:12] » Yeah. >> Yeah.

[23:13] » Yeah. >> Yeah. In between those two pieces.

[23:15] » Exactly. Yeah. >> That's that 30 m front page that he

[23:18] wants. >> So,

[23:22] » all right. >> Okay. The next one is Well, this one

[23:26] wasn't actually this one came in late. So the next one is um

[23:34] a discretionary land use at 19 just and it's for a forplex uh residential

[23:41] multi-unit unit is permitted in that zone. Um so there are no issues with

[23:46] that one. So that one will come forward at the public meeting.

[23:49] » Just a comment I'd like to make on that as well. When you look at the aerial

[23:53] maps of those areas, I think that we should look at as a condition of

[23:58] ensuring that landscaping is involved in in those disc because you look at the

[24:02] aerial aerial photograph, it's all sand. >> So, if we're going to going to approve

[24:07] discretionary land use applications, then the condition in my view

[24:11] » should also include a plan for landscaping and timelines associated

[24:14] with that. >> I thought it did.

[24:17] » I don't know about that subdivision. They might have been under a different

[24:21] development agreement back. >> I didn't read anything in

[24:24] » there's nothing in the notes. >> There's nothing in the notes that says

[24:26] anything about landscaping, but it doesn't mean that we can't put it there.

[24:30] » Could it be one of the conditions >> conditions, right? So,

[24:33] » uh >> just that should go for all of them.

[24:37] » Yeah. And that's why I thought it wasn't our development regulations.

[24:39] » And if it's there, we should be enforcing. There is something there

[24:42] around residential builds uh that they have to beautify the land landscaping

[24:47] but it needs to be enforced. >> Yeah.

[24:49] » Yes. Needs to be enforced. >> Yeah.

[24:53] » Okay. >> Uh 3.6 is a discretionary land use uh

[24:58] application as well. There that is already a forplex housing unit and they

[25:05] are applying for a homebased business for short-term rental. So I guess that's

[25:09] a Airbnb kind of a situation. Um

[25:15] so that one that one meets it is of course it's the the zoning is right. It

[25:20] is residential multi-unit um for forplex housing.

[25:26] The next one is a discretionary land use at um 15 Lethbridge

[25:34] and that is another forplex housing unit that uh

[25:41] see and it's the same thing. Um the staff has recommend that the town

[25:46] approve that discretionary land use for the 15 Lethbridge for the forplex unit.

[25:51] And again, that is in a zone that is specifically designed for mult designed

[25:56] for multiplex unit. So there that's that one is all in order as well.

[26:02] » And we should include that condition on landscape

[26:04] » and the condition on landscaping. And I think I mean we need to we need to do

[26:09] something with that landscaping, but we're going to have to enforce the rest

[26:14] of the area up there as well because we can't expect a developer to put up a

[26:19] forplex unit now to start one now or two in this case because it's the same

[26:24] applicant um for two different applications building the same thing and

[26:29] we're making it that they have to landscape it but everybody around them

[26:33] is >> not doing landscaping. So, we're going

[26:36] to have to enforce those yards to be destroyed with sand.

[26:38] » So, we're going to have to enforce that as well.

[26:41] » Uh 3.8 is um the staff is recommending that council approve a homebased

[26:48] business application and that's for a children's entertainment business. Um

[26:54] and of course, that's all subject to the town regulations as well. It meets all

[26:57] the criteria and that application is owned, the property is owned by the

[27:02] applicant. >> Sounds exciting. Sounds exciting. Lots

[27:06] of kids events. >> Yeah.

[27:09] » And uh coincidentally, that operator has been a regular setup in any of the local

[27:16] events over at the Kin Center and and so they're obviously they're doing well.

[27:23] uh 3.9. Um

[27:27] staff is also recommending that uh the homebased business application be

[27:31] approved on on Sanders Street and that's for a clothing alteration homebased

[27:38] business. So it's not a matter of a lot of traffic. It's just basically and even

[27:43] in the application it says that basically operating

[27:46] » I got somewhere else to get my clothes. >> You got someone else? Yeah.

[27:49] » My pants. >> Much needed.

[27:50] » Yeah. Okay, I got to hear him all. [laughter]

[27:56] » You you kind of walked in, mayor. Sorry. But [laughter] it is

[28:01] » uh 310 is a discretionary land use application at 10 McKenzie Drive and

[28:08] that's to build a garden suite um on the property and in the package it says that

[28:16] is it is a permitted use in that zone. I had never heard that term until this

[28:21] application. >> Yeah, me either.

[28:23] » I think it's in the current regulations and we allowed that to happen in those

[28:27] zones. So, I'm not sure if it's permitted under regulations. Why does it

[28:30] have to come to council? >> Yeah, because that was that was put in

[28:33] the development regulations. The last one we done.

[28:35] » Yeah. >> To allow for garden or Yeah.

[28:40] » discretionary use in the mixed >> Oh, mixed zone.

[28:44] » Yes. >> Glad happy to see that one there. This

[28:48] is good. Um the next one is a discretionary land use

[28:54] application as well and that's um uh staff is recommending that be approved

[29:00] that homebased business be approved as well and that is a speech therapy

[29:05] counseling uh homebased business. Um, and I'm not familiar with with those

[29:11] people, but I am familiar with the fact that there is a huge demand for speech

[29:15] therapy in this in in well in all of Labrador really. So, it's great to see

[29:21] that that'll be one more option for uh families to to go to because getting an

[29:27] appointment with a speech therapist in this province is basically impossible.

[29:32] Uh the only question I have on that there's no existing properties on that

[29:37] street. >> Yeah, I I didn't understand that either.

[29:41] » The my understanding from reading that is that they own that piece of land.

[29:46] They're building a house and they're building

[29:50] within the house. One room is going to be for speech therapy.

[29:55] » 25% of the house. >> I think it's less than 25%. I think I

[29:59] think that's what it said. But That's that's in that's the new area right up

[30:04] off of Oliver >> and they own that land and they're

[30:08] building a house and building one of the rooms in the house is going to be for

[30:12] speech therapy. >> One of the houses is already started.

[30:14] » Okay. >> You'll see it up there. But and that

[30:16] land is cleared on this property too. That's going to be started like in the

[30:21] real near future. >> And I think she's trying to get ahead of

[30:24] the permits and the zoning >> which is good

[30:26] » so she can build a house that >> the home design is based on whether or

[30:30] not has approval to >> business. Yeah,

[30:34] » makes sense. >> Um, and the only other one there is, uh,

[30:40] and we talked about this before as well. Um, and this is the, uh, staff is

[30:47] recommending approval on a homebased business uh, on Woodland Crescent. Uh,

[30:53] and that's, uh, to operate mental health counseling. Um, and we talked about

[31:00] » Do you have something that the rest of us don't have? We're all looking at you

[31:03] with a puzzled face. >> I know. That's why I just said to Kathy,

[31:06] "Some is in here and not on here." That's why I question that one.

[31:12] » Yeah, because it was sent out to council.

[31:14] » That was sent to council. >> Oh, yes. That's Yes. But not included in

[31:18] Eastcribe. >> That was in our package. Just the greasy

[31:21] one. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's the grease one. Yeah.

[31:23] » That's the grease one. >> Yeah.

[31:28] What? >> It's in

[31:30] » Woodland. Yep. It's in the manager's report.

[31:34] » Yeah. >> Oh, okay.

[31:36] » Yep. DD Boise >> for mental health and counseling.

[31:40] » Yep. Yeah. >> Yeah. But if that hasn't been submitted,

[31:43] that means it's not ready to go to council yet.

[31:45] » Okay. So, it may be ready for the public council meeting

[31:48] » perhaps. Yeah. But it wasn't it wasn't sent through to be added to the package.

[31:53] » Okay. So if you look in escribe >> because it was advertised it was

[31:57] advertised online as well. >> Yeah.

[32:00] » So maybe maybe the deadline. Yeah. Maybe the deadline times or something may have

[32:04] been an issue. So >> yeah.

[32:06] » Okay. >> But that's that's it.

[32:09] » Thank you. Hey protective services and deputy mayor.

[32:13] » All right. We don't have any recommendations, but um I just want to

[32:17] talk about the garter report just briefly that we did receive a garter

[32:21] report for uh August 24th to 31st and one recently. I'll talk about more about

[32:27] them in the uh public meeting, but it was uh some good information in there

[32:31] and I'm glad to see them coming. Um I want to talk about the bike trail. Uh

[32:37] there continues to be problems on the bike trail. Public safety is a huge

[32:41] concern and some of our counselors were recently on that trail as of yesterday

[32:47] and it's still being abused uh by ATVs and uh vehicles and scooters and rocks

[32:55] flicking up, flicking at people. Uh that that pavement is going to be ruined

[33:00] ruined ruined. We worked so hard for years to get that upgraded and we got a

[33:04] beautiful trail there and I think we [clears throat] need to start uh issuing

[33:08] some stiff fines. There's no reason uh people should be on it. There's eight

[33:13] signs on that trail uh saying that no ATVs or vehicles or whatever are

[33:20] permitted on the trail. So, uh there's no reason there's no excuse for people

[33:25] to be abusing that trail. And uh oddly enough, it's adults that are uh causing

[33:32] some of the problems on that trail who should know better. Uh there's a lot of

[33:35] money, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars gone into that trail and we

[33:39] worked so hard to get it worse, too. And I would like to uh keep it the way it is

[33:43] for many years to come. So, uh some enforcement, uh is huge here. Stiff

[33:49] fines, you know, start fing. You're not permitted on it. day off or

[33:55] you know and get the message out there you know as much as we can. Um

[34:00] you know something we've been talking about this for a year so we need to do

[34:04] something now. It's time for action for us to uh

[34:06] » we need to follow through on the fines. >> Yes. We need to step up because as of

[34:10] yesterday there's vehicles on that trail and it's not built for vehicles. So if

[34:16] we want to preserve it and save that trail for many years to come then we

[34:19] need to step up and do something. I'll talk about that one a little bit more in

[34:23] the public uh meeting, but I just wanted to bring that up today. Uh the school

[34:26] zone, we've uh the third lane on Millie Mountain. We did uh bring that forward

[34:31] again. I don't know CEO, we talked to Minister Bettton about this. If there's

[34:36] any update on that, no. So, they wanted us to write a

[34:40] letter, fill in the application.

[34:47] » I uh did email Jerry Smith.

[34:51] who sent me an email a month ago and said that there was no update yet, but

[34:55] they were still following up and asked if there was any status updates and I

[34:59] never received a response back. So, we should probably email Minister Pentton

[35:04] directly again uh because we had that discussion with

[35:08] the minister. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We need to get some

[35:12] communications going between staff and the minister's office to find a follow

[35:16] up from our meeting. >> Yeah. because they even questioned

[35:20] » that it was town that it was the town's responsibility, but it's the road is

[35:26] there because the school is there. Yeah. >> So, it's the province's respons and we

[35:30] felt that an application wasn't warranted because we felt the province

[35:33] should cover the total cost of that. >> But, uh that's where we are.

[35:37] » But, I mean, it sounded like he supported it. We just need to have some

[35:39] communication to to keep the lines going and and move it forward.

[35:43] » Yeah. >> Yeah.

[35:45] » Okay. Um, [cough and clears throat]

[35:48] I wanted to talk about public safety. I brought this up before, too. Is if we

[35:51] can get an update on uh alders and line painting. I don't think there's any

[35:56] alders being cut that I can see anyway, but they're they're everywhere. Uh,

[36:02] they're overgrown on all the corners. It's hard to see. Lots of complaints out

[36:06] there. So, I don't know, CEO, if you can get an update for a public meeting on

[36:10] that one to see what else to do. >> Sure.

[36:13] » Okay. Line painting if that's any alters. Um, and I just wanted to mention

[36:19] that our animal control officer is uh hosting Halloween

[36:25] event again in later October. So stay tuned for that. I'll have to probably

[36:30] have to secure date by the public meeting and bring that forward. And

[36:34] that's it. >> Thank you. All right.

[36:37] » You want to Yeah. I just want to go back to what councelor deputy mayor was

[36:41] saying about the bike path. We've been talking about talking about it and I

[36:47] just want to know what do we need to do to put the process in place to initiate

[36:52] action. We can talk about it all we want. We have talked about all we want.

[36:56] Now do we go to protective services director of protective services and say

[37:00] okay we need to get our me out there. We need something that that's we need to be

[37:05] doing something instead of just talking about it and saying there's a problem

[37:09] because obviously we've said it here several times like for over the last

[37:15] year telling everybody in the community that and everybody's talking about it

[37:19] that this is what's happening. This is what's happening. But nothing is being

[37:22] done about it. And obviously from the people that are still doing it, they

[37:26] don't care. They they really don't care whether or not they someone tells them

[37:31] to get off. And and I think again we got to start impounding and we got to have

[37:37] stiff fonts. If not, it's not nothing is going to change.

[37:41] » Yeah, totally agree. >> The signs I mean nothing. We have eight

[37:46] signs and they're not >> people are just going to ignoring them.

[37:48] They know the signs are there. I mean they they can't miss them.

[37:51] » Yeah. >> And uh they're probably trying to avoid

[37:54] trying to hit the signs when they're going down on the their vehicles because

[37:57] I seen uh uh trucks and cars going down that as well the weekend

[38:03] » and uh coming out and seen them going up and I'm like you know I don't know where

[38:07] they're branching off to because I went up the other end of town to try to catch

[38:10] them I wasn't going to chase them on the trail but they never come through jumped

[38:13] off somewhere along the way but uh something got to be done something got

[38:18] to be done and it needs to be priority set on that one because we're going to

[38:21] have infrastructure that's tore up with I don't know the total amount but there

[38:25] was a lot of money went into that. Well, the pictures that I just received this

[38:28] evening had boulders on it from motorbikes and things crossing and now

[38:33] » it's supposed to be an accessibility trail and I can't see scooters going up

[38:37] and down that that path. >> It's not safe.

[38:39] » It's not. >> No.

[38:41] » Yeah. So, we'll have it have a further discussion

[38:46] on that. >> Needs a late day and have it come. um is

[38:52] probably just semantics and may have zero impact, but

[38:59] I also think we have to stop calling it a bike trail because I have had so many

[39:03] people say, "Well, of course bikes are on there." So, councelor Winters just

[39:07] said on the bike trail, but then he said it's an accessibility trail. And I

[39:11] really think we need to start putting it out there that this is a a pedestrian

[39:17] and active use trail or a accessibility trail. I know it's I know it's

[39:24] semantics. I know it's not going to Oh, somebody's not going to go, "Oh

[39:27] it's not a bike. Sugar, it's not a bike trail. [laughter]

[39:31] I'm not going to use it anymore." are. Um, but I really think that the key word

[39:38] when councelor Winter said accessibility is that what we really want to push home

[39:45] to people is you don't think you're hurting anybody. You think that you're

[39:49] only, oh, you know, I'm just taking a shortcut. I'm using the trail network.

[39:54] I'm not hurting anybody. As soon as you prevent somebody with

[39:59] accessibility issues from accessing a part of our community, you're hurting

[40:03] somebody. If somebody's sitting at home and they're too afraid to take their

[40:08] walker or take their baby stroller or take their, you know, mobility device

[40:14] out because they don't want to be run over, you're hurting somebody. So, we

[40:20] really need to as well push that side of it.

[40:24] It's not a bike trail and you are hurting somebody.

[40:28] » Perfect. Any other comments? CEO? >> Yeah, I just want to clarify something.

[40:34] It's not that nothing is being done. We've done a lot with that trail. We've

[40:38] blocked off some access. We've put up signage. We have more patrols up there

[40:42] than we've ever had before. We've had uh tickets issued. We've had conversations.

[40:48] Our MO has had conversations with people that are using the trail. And Like I

[40:53] said, it's not that nothing's being done. It's that there are people

[40:57] continuously abusing it and there are new people that are abusing. So you get

[41:02] caught once, you might stay off it, but then somebody else comes on next day and

[41:05] also >> Yeah, I think we got to communicate

[41:07] more. >> There there's a lot of PSAs going out

[41:11] about this trail for the past month. There's actually two went out today. Uh

[41:16] we're sending pictures out to show people what is not permitted there.

[41:21] » Yeah, we got a bit of work to do. Okay. Has there been any fines issued

[41:26] » or any >> I don't know about fines. I know there

[41:29] have been tickets which is a little bit different than fines because they

[41:33] there's a whole violation summary thing that goes through the court.

[41:36] » What's the amount of the tickets? Is it enough to deter people?

[41:40] » That I can't >> like that's where the problem is to

[41:44] » Yeah. Yeah. >> And it might deter that one but not the

[41:46] next one. >> Yeah. But if we get, you know, stiff

[41:49] fines or tickets or whatever we're given, the message will get around the

[41:53] community. If someone got a $500 fine, the message will get around

[41:57] » or impound or vehicle, too. >> Yeah.

[42:00] » And make it public. >> And that has been done with some of the

[42:02] Afro vehicles. >> Yeah. But hasn't been made public.

[42:05] » I mean, there's big trucks and SUVs and cars going up and down that trail.

[42:10] » Yeah. Yeah. I I understand when like say I understand what what the CEO was

[42:13] saying too and then there was no like what I said was no means no means of uh

[42:19] not saying anything bad about Barry and our M Barry I mean he's doing an amazing

[42:23] job but the thing is like we discussed is we only have one

[42:26] » and maybe that's an issue that we we need to to to revisit or that's test

[42:31] we're on to with it like our one am is doing an amazing job it's just again

[42:36] he's only one man >> well you know it goes back help from the

[42:39] » and it goes back too. Like you see when the RCMP stops a speeder on the highway

[42:46] and then there's a picture. >> Yeah.

[42:48] » You know, and they're they're posting a picture of the vehicle and, you know,

[42:52] clocked at 157 and 80 kilometer zone and the vehicle's been impounded or

[42:57] whatever. That's all on the RCMP >> site. You can actually see them doing

[43:04] it. So, and I remember back um with the council from 2017. Um, when we had

[43:12] Constable Baker, he had confiscated some dirt bikes or four-wheelers or whatever.

[43:21] » And I mean, there was we made some progress with that. And, you know, we

[43:26] were if we start doing that, >> you know, they got the they got the

[43:31] speed camera there. The town, the province got the speed camera down there

[43:35] in front of the Gaudy building and more work on on councelor Winter's shoulders

[43:41] at the post office handing out handing out what people think is a parcel card

[43:48] only to find out that it's a speeding ticket. Um, you know, somebody's going

[43:53] in and saying, "Somebody sent me a parcel." And the guy behind the counter

[43:57] is saying, "You're not going to be happy about this parcel because it's a

[44:00] speeding ticket." You must be very popular, are you?

[44:03] » We know what's coming. >> But I mean, the thing is it's those

[44:07] things those things are making a difference. I would imagine that people

[44:10] are slowing down in front of the Gaudy building now. I know I am. Well, since

[44:15] my sister got a ticket, [laughter]

[44:19] first ticket in her life. But, uh, I mean, the thing is, if you got to shame

[44:25] somebody out for what they're doing, for the fact that they're on the

[44:29] four-wheelers on the accessibility trail or they're in a vehicle on the

[44:33] accessibility trail, if it takes uh an enforcement officer to do that, and we

[44:38] post it on the town website and we're collecting money because of it,

[44:44] » you know, $480 for your very first speeding ticket is a lot of money.

[44:49] The other option might be something that we could look at as cameras in that

[44:53] area. >> Yeah, I think we're going to have to

[44:55] have a full discussion on enforcement overall and in in timeline for budgeting

[45:01] because we're going to have to make some decisions come the fall.

[45:04] » T >> the uh the bike trail cameras are on the

[45:08] way. >> Oh, good.

[45:08] » Oh, yeah. >> They've been ordered. They're on the

[45:11] way. >> I I've had some suggestions that we

[45:13] should probably have a drone that can man look at the whole trail. So, there's

[45:17] people talking about it and wait >> 24hour surveillance.

[45:20] » I know. >> Yeah, we'll hire Sam Broomfield. He got

[45:23] a drone. He's all over the place with his one checking on his chickens and

[45:27] » happy Oz. [laughter] >> All right, let's

[45:31] » I got one more thing. Um >> is what's what's I know we talked about

[45:37] this last winter with the Lawrence O'Brien Center roof with the leaks. Is

[45:43] that under protected >> service? That's our next department.

[45:47] that follow your municipal. >> You got something on that?

[45:51] » I don't have anything on it. >> Okay. So, we'll move on to the next

[45:53] report and >> y

[45:55] » you're finished right deputy mayor. >> Oh, yeah.

[45:57] » So, for mun municipal services, there's going to be an application for upgrades

[46:02] and expansion to the existing uh depo under the municipal capital works

[46:06] program that you can look forward to in the regular council meeting.

[46:11] » Okay. So, we look forward to getting information on that details.

[46:15] So this is something like the current depot lease expires in three years.

[46:19] Correct CEO? So it's uh I guess it's timely that we start looking ahead

[46:23] beyond three years and uh great to see this application go forward or well be

[46:29] in the works of going forward and hopefully we'll have it ready for the

[46:32] next public council meeting. >> Great.

[46:34] » Is the CAO is there any update on the bus parts the charger the bus parts?

[46:41] The parts are on order. >> Okay.

[46:46] » Okay. I thought that they were here or >> they were the wrong parts.

[46:50] » The wrong parts. >> The wrong parts brought.

[46:53] » So, the correct parts are on order. >> I got deja vu from the arena with the

[46:59] electrical parts that was sent the wrong parts three times in a row.

[47:03] » Yeah. >> Okay. Anything else? Anything else?

[47:09] No, I have nothing else but can we should discuss the uh the Lawrence

[47:13] O'Brien center and the nothing to report there.

[47:19] » Sorry, >> yeah.

[47:22] So, it's not something to discuss at a open meeting.

[47:26] » Okay. >> Okay. All right.

[47:30] » Okay. Who's next? Councelor Winters. >> Yeah, my my report is pretty

[47:35] straightforward. It was sent two weeks ago, but I'll give uh I'll present that

[47:39] at our monthly meeting. But between now and then, there's one uh there's two

[47:44] things happening. There's uh ice plant maintenance is going on in the next week

[47:48] or so. And also September 26, which is a couple days before our meeting, I

[47:53] believe, is Happy Valley Day. So, everyone can get out and enjoy the

[47:59] anniversary of founding of Happy Valley. I think the CSR department are still

[48:04] looking for vendors and musicians. [snorts] So, you uh are one uh please

[48:10] reach out to our CSR department. Perfect for me.

[48:16] Hey CL, you got anything you want to bring this month?

[48:23] » Nothing. Oh wow, >> there's a lot going on.

[48:27] » That's good. >> Okay, great.

[48:29] » I suppose >> so uh if there's nothing else then uh

[48:31] I'll call for an adjournment. >> So moved by deputy mayor, second by

[48:36] councelor Rumble meeting adjourned. Thank you.

[48:42] All right.

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