[0:04] meeting is being videotaped. Let's bring the meeting to order. Let's

[0:10] do the pledge of >> allegiance please

[0:19] to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it

[0:24] stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all

[0:38] to speak out on an agenda. items only.

[0:48] » Everybody a motion to approve June meeting minutes.

[0:54] » July >> July

[0:56] » or July, I'm sorry. July. [clears throat] I make a motion to

[1:00] approve them. >> I'll second it.

[1:03] » All in favor? >> Yes.

[1:06] » Yes. It's approved unanimously.

[1:12] » A motion to approve any and all invoices received by township treasur for the

[1:17] month of July 2026.

[1:23] » Is there a motion for that? >> I'll make a motion.

[1:25] » Is there a second? >> I'll second it.

[1:28] » All in favor? >> Yes. Yes.

[1:34] » I'm not going to agree. something I can't see.

[1:38] » Okay. Well, it's approved.

[1:48] » Old business grant update. Say it pen and harshman.

[1:54] » You want us speaking on that?

[1:58] » I've been working on grants again. And this is the young lady from

[2:04] Hartsman's group. and she's been trying pretty hard. We

[2:08] got a grant going in for My Fire's Bridge. Uh there was a fire back here

[2:14] over the winter time, I believe it was. And the fire department said that they

[2:20] didn't trust the bridge with their fire trucks going across it. So, we have

[2:25] looking at it. We're applying for a grant to get that bridge replaced or

[2:31] repaired or whatever it may need. I also been talking to Fate Pen, which

[2:36] is another grant writer, because I feel as many grants as I can get for our

[2:41] township is what my job was to do when I come here. So, I'm talking to them. I'm

[2:47] going to continue pushing over here. We are trying to find some money to build a

[2:52] salt shed. We really need to get the salt out of our building. We got some

[2:56] roofs that need worked on, but grants only go so fast. So,

[3:03] That's about the best I got on that. >> I think we ought to hire an inspector to

[3:09] inspect that bridge down there before there's any money spent for a bridge.

[3:20] » Yeah, it's off the dark road. >> We like to call in on the grant

[3:25] situation. We got to wait till the end. >> No, you can you can call

[3:29] [clears throat] back in November when I was up here and talked to you. After the

[3:33] first year, you're going to work on grants for Tailoo. What's up with that?

[3:37] » I've had the people all over every road and they tell me the only project that

[3:43] they got right now that they can help me with is Myers Bridge.

[3:48] » And why is that? >> Because the other one, Taylor Road, is

[3:52] supposed to be maintenance. They said, >> "Well, how did they fix all the other

[3:57] grants for >> I didn't know they got grants for all?"

[4:01] » Well, they spent ungodly weeks and months down there at

[4:08] Ramat a couple years ago. >> Oh, yeah. They got that and that put a

[4:13] big sore thumb in with the conservity. We were very lucky to get them to come

[4:17] back and help us with the Beaver Creek project because they that

[4:23] » went terribly wrong down there. They misspent the money. They misdone the

[4:27] work. They ended up we ended up getting $110,000 fine on our liquid fuels from

[4:32] the way they misspent the money. So, the conservity did not want to come back in

[4:36] and help us with any roads. This Beaver Creek project is going to be an

[4:40] important project. If it goes smoothly, I think we can get the conservity to

[4:45] work with us again. If it doesn't go smoothly and we get people in there

[4:49] that's trying to tell the conservity what to do, we're going to be in

[4:53] trouble. The conservity is the one that has the money. They're the ones paying

[4:57] for it. We got to do what they tell us to do.

[5:01] I mean, if anybody knows anything about Ramat and Fire Tower Bridge, they know

[5:08] for years that that bridge was default. It's still in default. They're still

[5:12] being bought for.

[5:16] » So, in other words, there's no chance of that.

[5:19] » I'm not saying there's no chance. I work every month chasing grants. So, I'm not

[5:25] saying there's no chance. I I'm on the road a lot in a month's time for the

[5:30] township trying to find money for the township.

[5:36] I don't know what anybody else is doing, but I know I do it and I personally do

[5:40] it. I personally pay for the gas. I personally pay for the car. I personally

[5:44] pay for everything. I take nothing to try to get to the township.

[5:50] That's all I do. >> You're still looking for that money

[5:53] tree, >> huh?

[5:54] » You're still looking for that money tree.

[5:56] » I'm looking for the money tree. >> No, it's not out. Well, I guess it could

[6:01] be out there, but it's not my backyard. >> Don't mud pipe. [laughter]

[6:07] » But I am after grants. I do take them up there because Taylor Hill, there's three

[6:13] or four hills in my opinion that need addressed and needs fixed somehow.

[6:17] » Well, right now our road fixer is Robson. He bought a piece of equipment.

[6:23] He runs up and down that hill. >> It's like, you know,

[6:29] » like a super highway. >> Yeah.

[6:32] » Not so much. >> He does a good job.

[6:35] » He's a fanatical. >> You do a good job, too.

[6:39] Thank you. >> You walk the walk. Any other questions

[6:43] on the grants?

[6:47] » Beaver Creek project. It was delayed from Monday to

[6:55] I think Thursday. >> Was it

[6:59] » the 6th or 7th? >> They didn't know. The bridge crew still

[7:02] had to get their machines up. So that's what it was between the bridge crew and

[7:07] conservity when they were having it delivered and last time I count.

[7:12] » Yeah. Bridge. So on the >> So the county's doing the bridge for

[7:15] free. They're doing the labor for free. >> So we've talked the bridge crew in to do

[7:21] the labor for free. The conservatives giving us the money. So hopefully this

[7:25] project goes real smooth. So next time we need money maybe for Taylor Road or

[7:30] another road, the conservity will look at us again and take us seriously.

[7:35] » So on that project I timed it. I went 35 miles an hour. It takes you an extra

[7:40] minute and a half to go 30 35 miles an hour down there. I hope that we tell the

[7:45] trucks as much as possible, stay in the middle of that road because we're going

[7:49] to destroy. There's no burns at all. There's 6 in of drop off. If my car goes

[7:55] off and I ruin the hole underneath, that's how bad that road is right now.

[7:59] So if these trucks hold out of weights running the side of the road, you're

[8:04] going to have another problem fixing the road. So if we can talk to the trucking

[8:09] companies to try and go slow, it only takes an extra couple minutes

[8:14] and run the middle of the road. I don't know how many trucks will be

[8:18] coming in and out right now. I mean, the bridge is going to be delivered and it

[8:22] has to be put together. Then I'm sure after that there'll be

[8:26] trucks either of stone or concrete or something, but I don't know.

[8:30] » Well, what's a triacial haul? 30 ton. >> That's a lot of weight. When you got a 6

[8:36] in drop off and you're right along the edge of the road,

[8:41] the road's still in decent shape. I hate to see it.

[8:47] » I will try to voice an opinion to the truck driver.

[8:52] Any other questions on the Beaver Creek project

[8:57] torn chipping of roads? >> Got delayed too.

[9:02] » That was supposed to start Monday, but it was supposed to rain all this week. I

[9:05] think they delayed it also. >> They got tied up. I like to tell you

[9:11] county somewhere up there. So, they're tied up today because of the weather.

[9:18] Now they're talking possibly Wednesday or Thursday. I don't It rained again

[9:23] yesterday and today so back up any further

[9:31] » purchaser from Cory Kquet. >> That was during your special meeting for

[9:37] the opening of that. >> Yes.

[9:40] » Was that last week? >> Friday.

[9:45] » It's about time. It's only years later.

[9:56] » Uh, Bradic, Flat Rock, Clover Top, and uh,

[10:08] » you if you want to.

[10:12] » We can put you on.

[10:17] New business >> resolution for Mars

[10:22] Road bridge. I think we went over that. >> Is there a motion to approve the

[10:27] resolution?

[10:34] » Make a motion. >> I'll make a motion to approve.

[10:37] » Is there a second? >> I'll second.

[10:40] » All in favor? >> Yes.

[10:43] » Yes. It's a grant. I mean, how can you go wrong?

[10:48] » It carries.

[10:51] » Letter from health department violation smoking

[10:56] must been made.

[11:04] 2026 FC ATS Conservation September 10th and 11th

[11:11] Faget County Fairgrounds. That's the convention that they have

[11:16] every year.

[11:26] A motion to approve to pay bills and payroll checks as

[11:32] electronic format versus paper. >> I'll second.

[11:39] » Oh, Rob, did you make the motion? >> Make a motion.

[11:41] » Okay. Seconded by Larry. All in favor? >> Yes.

[11:47] » All that does is just move this up in the modern times.

[11:52] Instead of sending out checks by mail, if we can pay it AC or whatever, we do

[11:58] it that way. You save whatever a stamp cost now. Stamp and envel each adds up.

[12:06] Make a motion to approve building permit administration fees.

[12:13] » Yeah. So the the purpose of that is we already have a building permit fee that

[12:18] it already exists on the books and um sometimes there are legal fees questions

[12:24] about the property building code um or something that involves my time or Sue's

[12:33] time um and that's all administrative work. And so what this would be would be

[12:39] um uh since we're since Harshman's already collecting um that permit fee,

[12:46] we would be collecting a very small um 10%age of that fee. It would come to us

[12:52] directly. That's it% >> of the original fee.

[12:55] » Uhhuh. That's it. >> So we're not raising this and

[13:02] at this point we got so many people out of violation. How do we

[13:06] tell anybody they have to buy a building >> because we have a building permit

[13:11] ordinance already, >> right? But what do we do with the people

[13:13] in violation? >> That's up to the building code inspector

[13:18] to go out and say you're not in violation or you are or you're not in

[13:22] violation. All this does is help pay for Sue's time

[13:26] and because the full fee would go to Harshman. We would we're not collecting

[13:32] anything from that right now. So they're only collecting a small portion of that

[13:37] » and it does not raise any fees to anybody

[13:41] » and Harshman's willing to release 10% to us

[13:48] » for no for so they're going to take 10% off what they make

[13:55] » done with that. >> Yep. Is there a motion for that?

[14:00] » I made a motion to approve it. Is there a second?

[14:05] » Agree. >> So Steve seconds it all in favor.

[14:09] » Yes. >> Yes.

[14:12] » It passes.

[14:17] » Make a motion to approve amendments to trash ordinance.

[14:23] » So um I I know we were talking about and and we're not ready to readvertise this

[14:28] yet, but I know we were talking about a couple of different things that we

[14:32] wouldn't include in it. And I know Rob, you had a question about um to be able

[14:38] to essentially charge some sort of a late

[14:41] fee and then be able to take them to the map. And I think looking at other

[14:47] municipalities that have a trash ordinance that they actually collect on,

[14:52] it would be something like if you're late, it would be $20 for that month

[14:58] plus an extra 2% on that invoice going forward. So that's that's pretty

[15:04] customary because then you actually have some way of, you know, saying, "Hey,

[15:08] look, you're you're in acrewing a penalty here if you're not going to be

[15:12] paying on time." So that's a pretty standard rate. And I wanted to see if

[15:15] that's something that the majority of the supervisors would would approve for

[15:20] me to put in there. And then I know that there were some questions about whether

[15:25] an apartment building has um multiple tenants. if a dumpster was sufficient

[15:32] for the whole building or whether each individual needed to be paying.

[15:37] » Each individual needs to be paying. >> Yes, they do.

[15:40] » So, I'm I need to get >> So, each business and resident. So,

[15:44] you're going to you got to pay for your business and your residential state.

[15:48] » Buy, >> huh? No, you're not combined. Oh, yeah.

[15:50] » Because an apartment building wouldn't be on.

[15:53] » I'm not going to argue with you. >> Yeah. Because you go to a restaurant or

[15:56] any kind of food place or any kind of gas station has dumpsters. So they would

[16:01] pay for a dumpster fee. You're just trying to make somebody pay for a

[16:05] dumpster fee that has an apartment. >> And you won't want to pay residential

[16:09] and your business. >> I don't bring any trash here from my

[16:12] business. It's it's from my house. Period.

[16:14] » You got to have trash from your business here.

[16:19] » I I don't agree with that. >> So I'm I'm trying to get I'm just trying

[16:23] to consensus on what you guys want to do about that. I know that has been talked

[16:28] about previously um as to what we were doing with it.

[16:32] Municipalities do it differently. So, you guys tell me.

[16:35] » I thought the biggest concern was somebody I think it was the couple the

[16:40] supervisor before read in there or something and everybody was all upset

[16:45] about that. >> Well, that's true. That's true. But I

[16:48] wanted it was it was actually unclear in the ordinance as to whether a if you

[16:54] owned an apartment building or you owned something that was multiple like if you

[16:59] had some sort of a business that also had tenants upstairs or something who

[17:03] had to pay whether it was one account or was it multiple accounts?

[17:07] » Multiple accounts. All tenants need to pay.

[17:10] » It'd be the same thing with the business and their

[17:12] » whatever. But we ain't going to like your apartment buildings. You're not

[17:16] going to set a dumpster there and you collect all the tendants money and you

[17:20] pay for a dumpster. >> Same way that like Greg Upole down

[17:23] there, he can't do it with his apartment buildings. The same [clears throat]

[17:26] thing with his plaza. He would have to pay separately.

[17:28] » Everybody needs to pay a garbage bill. >> So, that's what you're saying then,

[17:31] right? >> Yep. Every time.

[17:34] » All right. So, I'm going to present those changes to you guys for the next

[17:39] » I don't know if I agree with those changes. I think the public needs to see

[17:43] those changes because like I said, now you're talking you got

[17:47] all these places that has dumpsters that can't have dumpsters anymore.

[17:52] » Okay. [snorts] Well, I got to take guidance from you guys. So, you tell me

[17:55] what you want to do. >> I think the public should have an

[17:59] opinion on that. >> What do you people think? All tenants

[18:03] ought to pay or just one >> I think everybody should pay.

[18:07] » Everybody has garbage. Let's face it. Is this going to make a difference as far

[18:10] as the dump uh the garbage part of the business making some money where we can

[18:15] just hire a crew for garbage and and now because you guys only work four days.

[18:20] You got two days in garbage. That's two days on the roads. And I think our roads

[18:24] need more than just two days. I mean, don't you guys agree?

[18:28] » You're wasting two days on you also got to put on there, David, if you're doing

[18:32] that changing the rules, they have to buy the contracts out of the people's

[18:36] contracted out. I have a contract on my dumpster and I

[18:40] was told to do that by the previous supervisors.

[18:43] » Okay. >> So, I I followed the rules. If we want

[18:46] to change the rules, the township should be responsible for buying out the

[18:50] contract. >> But you could have a dumpster there and

[18:51] steal all tendants paying. >> They just put a garbage in the dumpster,

[18:55] right? >> That's what Danny Bird does. Danny Bird

[19:00] Danny Bird here today. >> Danny, your tenants pay to put their

[19:04] garbage in your dumpster, right? >> Yes, he do.

[19:07] » Okay. Each account pays the township or they pay

[19:11] » each account pays. >> So do you pay for a dumpster or each

[19:14] account? >> I pay for each account.

[19:17] » I pay for each account. >> Go ahead, Michelle.

[19:21] » I just have a question. How do you even begin to track tenants of apartment

[19:29] complexes to be able to charge them? And I'm just thinking like even when you're

[19:34] thinking per capita tax tenant who lives in an apartment should pay a per capita

[19:41] tax, they should pay it. It's for the privilege of living in Fyet County or in

[19:47] Uniontown school district. We don't have one. It's a township. But how do you

[19:51] even begin to know who all resides where is the

[19:56] property owner to furnish the names of the tenants or the property owner

[20:01] collecting that? Like Dan just said, I I was just trying to understand it.

[20:07] Trash is leanable to the property owner. Trash is never leanable to the landlord

[20:13] or >> to the tenant.

[20:14] » To the tenant. >> It's always leanable to the landlord.

[20:18] Water is always leanable to the property owner.

[20:22] Trash, water, and if you got public sewage, public sewage.

[20:29] Electric and cable, that's the tenants problem.

[20:40] Basically

[20:43] back out

[20:49] of the city

[20:55] wants the property wants to be responsible for

[21:00] attendance water bill or sewer bill.

[21:18] We're going on to the next one.

[21:24] » Motion to approve to give Keith Myra an old girl that is in the woods.

[21:30] [laughter]

[21:34] The one guy who works here wants an old barrel that's in the roads. So

[21:39] we we had problems with stuff coming up missing. Scrap being taken, this being

[21:44] taken. Nothing should be taken out of this township unless all three

[21:48] supervisors know and on it or anything. No scrap, no tires, no no nothing.

[21:54] Nothing should go out of here. If he wants an old blue barrel that's probably

[21:58] going to cost us money to get rid of, I don't have any problems with that. that

[22:01] I think all three of us should know. >> I say give it to

[22:08] » Okay. So, is there a motion to give this barrel to

[22:12] » Is it just a 55gallon barrel or what is it?

[22:16] » Do you have any idea? >> It's just a blue plastic

[22:20] » junk. I make a motion to give it to I'll

[22:25] second it. >> All in favor?

[22:27] » Yes. >> Yes.

[22:29] » No, carries. Miss Engineer, you get to talk.

[22:33] » Oh, no. >> Here's the problem. I'm not an engineer.

[22:38] [laughter] >> It's okay then. You're you're redundant,

[22:40] right? >> Um I brought this engineers report on

[22:44] behalf of Jamie. He's on vacation this week. Much deserved.

[22:48] » Um >> I can't truly speak to many of these

[22:52] items, but um I know like the Beaver Creek um project was on there and we

[22:56] received that email update which you all were aware of. um code enforcement

[23:00] zoning. Brandy sent an individual update as well for you all to go through if you

[23:05] want me to read it aloud. I'm okay. [laughter]

[23:09] » Um the multimodal grant which um we are working on was already you approved the

[23:14] resolution tonight. That's the grant for MyersBridge. Um engineer Rich Rick Rich

[23:20] Rush came out and looked at it and recommended that was a project that was

[23:24] most likely to be funded through this program. Um, so that's the one that we

[23:28] recommended you go for. Um, I did want to speak of as the grant writer planner

[23:32] at Harshman. Um, I know that you all were uh interested in looking at your

[23:36] salo and zoning and kind of comprehensive plan update.

[23:41] » I didn't um I did want to bring you all to your

[23:44] attention. So, I've been talking with Stephanie at DCED who's in charge of the

[23:48] MAP program. Um, apparently you have an outstanding grant for um a MAP program

[23:54] grant. So, this would be to help with your zoning and code. Um,

[23:57] » we've been trying for a couple years to get that.

[24:00] » We have an outstanding like we actually received money.

[24:02] » No, no, no. The grant is pending. We're waiting to

[24:05] » So, we have to wait and see. >> Yes.

[24:07] » Okay. The in talking with Stephanie, we have a pretty good relationship. Um,

[24:11] unfortunately, because no match was um provided, she's not very optimistic that

[24:16] it'll get approved this round, but does think that it's a very good project that

[24:20] we should continue pursuing. um September 1st is the next deadline for

[24:24] this program and she says that with um you know with a match commitment that

[24:30] would be very competitive. The other option to pursue um funding or in this

[24:36] case it's technical assistance through the state to get some of your zoning and

[24:40] comprehensive plan or uh zoning and sawdo stuff updated would be through a

[24:44] technical assistance program where they actually give you something like 500

[24:49] free hours to help you work through that process. It does take some buyin

[24:53] obviously from the municipality and ultimately will need um help enlisted

[24:58] from the solicitor or from your code and zoning officer to get that over the

[25:01] finish line. They won't actually write the code for you. But those are two

[25:05] really valid programs that the state is really interested in seeing you put in

[25:09] an application for or another application for and kind of pursuing. Um

[25:13] I have Stephanie at the uh state ready to talk with you guys if you're

[25:17] interested in sitting down and kind of learning about the difference between

[25:19] the two um and figing out which is the best option for you guys to um move

[25:25] forward. There's multiple opportunities every year for both of these programs.

[25:28] So, it's not like one and done. Um there's another opportunity in April if

[25:32] you want to work with her through the process a little more in depth.

[25:37] Um all the inactive and pending projects I think are pretty much the same. I know

[25:41] Rich came out and looked at some other road projects that we're going to

[25:44] recommend you probably submit to DGBR um once the Beaver Creek project is over.

[25:50] And so, um, we kind of have a bunch of projects on your wish list from, um,

[25:54] Rich being able to get out here and see. And, um, we're going to recommend the

[25:59] best funding source that we believe for each of those projects as they keep

[26:02] coming up. And, >> and the DGL program is one of the

[26:06] programs for Taylor Road possible if we can get it to go through. But,

[26:11] » I was just wondering because it's been like eight or nine months, I've heard

[26:13] nothing. >> Well, we got to make sure that Beaver

[26:17] Creek goes smooth. and we can't we can't submit another one

[26:22] until we've completed this program and it's just taking quite some time to get

[26:28] done just is >> and the DJVR program through the um

[26:34] county conservation district is a rolling application. So, um as soon as

[26:38] Beaver Creek is wrapped up, we can go ahead and submit the next round. But um

[26:44] obviously they want to see that we treated their money well the first time.

[26:50] So what's important? >> You already got [clears throat]

[26:54] all I needed from you. >> That's it.

[26:57] » I like to speak out. >> I have a question.

[27:02] » Watching the video of the meeting last week because I couldn't get up there and

[27:06] there was a I think you said that with these lawsuits or something going on

[27:10] that the township is going to have to start paying for these suits. Is there

[27:14] going to be any recourse for us to counter suit if these people lose these

[27:19] uh lawsuits? I mean, can anybody just sue the township and then if they lose

[27:22] say, "Oh, okay. My bad." >> Well, right now there's only one pending

[27:26] lawsuit against the township and it's Steven

[27:30] Humber versus Henry Township and all the other cost 30 $50,000. This is still

[27:37] lawsuit. >> Where's our reports to go to recoup the

[27:40] money? If we got to keep spending 50,000 or paying insurance, rates go up to

[27:44] defend lawsuits. >> So if if the court believes that the

[27:48] lawsuit was defeatious or was out lacks any merit, they could award attorneys

[27:55] in our favor if we want. >> But that still doesn't answer my

[28:02] question. If the township themselves want to go after

[28:05] » they're with what a judge says. >> Okay. So if the judge said no, this is

[28:11] the way it works in the United States. Anybody can sue any anything any entity

[28:17] or whatever at any time. And there is no unless you have some sort of a contract

[28:22] or by statute said you can recover attorney's fees, you can't recover

[28:26] attorneys. So all of the money that has been spent

[28:31] would not be recovered by law.

[28:35] » So you can just have are taking it to >> I I am simply just acting in the role of

[28:43] a solicitor. The We have an insurance company that has hired insurance defense

[28:49] council to defend us, but they have already spent over $50,000 defending

[28:55] this suit. And now because of our policy, that limit has expired. We've

[29:01] hit the cap. So now the taxpayers will have to pick up the dime.

[29:06] Anybody

[29:13] else to speak out? >> Yeah, I want to say thanks to J for what

[29:18] putting the culpr down there going to do hopefully a good job and really

[29:23] fantastic.

[29:32] » That's it. >> That's it.

[29:34] » M to adjourn. Motion to

[29:40] » make

[29:46] all in favor.

HCT SUPERVISORS MEETING 8/3/2026

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