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[0:31] » Call the roll, please.

[0:34] >> Mr. Con,

[0:35] >> here.

[0:37] >> Stone

[0:37] >> here.

[0:38] >> Fisher.

[0:39] >> Mrs. Zyish

[0:40] >> here. Yeah, I'm here.

[0:42] >> Thank you, Mr.

[0:43] >> President.

[0:46] » Mr. Russo

[0:48] >> President Ramos

[0:49] >> present.

[0:49] >> I saw it.

[0:50] >> I apologize for the meeting start a

[0:52] couple minutes late. We were in close

[0:54] session up until 7:00. We wanted to give

[0:55] everyone the opportunity to sign in and

[0:58] to get settled in the chambers before we

[1:00] start the meeting.

[1:02] >> The uh first two ordinances are being

[1:05] carried to uh the October 21st uh

[1:09] council meeting. Correct.

[1:11] >> Uh hearing on a bond ordinance

[1:13] authorizing completion of various

[1:14] capital improvements. Where is that?

[1:16] >> The acquisition of various capital

[1:18] equipment including public art

[1:19] acquisition in installation capital

[1:22] facility improvements allocations

[1:25] related to to and for the city of Hobok

[1:28] and county of Hudson, New Jersey.

[1:31] appropriating the sum of $2,200,000.

[1:34] Therefore, authorizing the issuance of

[1:36] general obligation bond or bond

[1:38] anticipation notes for the city of

[1:40] Hoboken of Hudson County, New Jersey

[1:43] aggregate principal amount of up to

[1:45] $2,200,000

[1:47] making certain determinations and

[1:49] covenants and authorizing

[1:52] uh related to actions to connections for

[1:54] the foregoing.

[1:57] Uh Pat Waiters J7 J78.

[2:02] >> Okay, thank you. Uh Manuel Vera Solair

[2:05] J78.

[2:18] » Good evening, Council President, members

[2:20] of the council, members of the public.

[2:22] Manuel Rivera. Council President, I'm

[2:25] rising to speak again on this uh

[2:28] ordinance because it wasn't clear last

[2:30] meeting when I asked the questions and

[2:33] they were um conversations amongst

[2:35] yourselves and you I guess moved it to

[2:39] this meeting. Again, the uh question

[2:42] still stands, council president, and I

[2:44] know um I believe you assumed that I

[2:47] broke the rules last meeting. I did not.

[2:49] Uh there is an exception if there was

[2:51] something missing in my statement. Uh

[2:54] again, nothing personal. Again, I just

[2:58] want to say, council president, I

[2:59] understand that the municipal

[3:01] municipalities need to borrow for major

[3:05] capital projects and I am not suggesting

[3:08] that every bond is unnecessary. But when

[3:12] we're asking residents to support

[3:15] millions of dollars in additional

[3:16] obligations, I believe the public

[3:19] deserves a clear understanding,

[3:22] what we are

[3:24] buying and investing in, why we need it,

[3:29] why it why it cannot wait, and what will

[3:34] it ultimately cost

[3:37] for future budgets. Council President, I did ask the question last um meeting.

[3:43] No one answered. Meaning, what is what

[3:47] equipment and what is being purchased in

[3:49] this bond? Can this bond

[3:53] be left aside? And can the Hoboken

[3:56] parking authority buy these equipments

[3:58] outright with their funds or is that's

[4:01] not the way it works? Can members of the

[4:02] public understand what is the procedure

[4:04] and the reasoning behind the bond and

[4:07] for what purpose are you purchasing

[4:10] these equipments? And with that, Council

[4:12] President, I will yield back cuz my

[4:14] statement stands. Thank you,

[4:16] >> motion to close the public session.

[4:18] >> Motion second.

[4:19] >> All in favor?

[4:20] >> I.

[4:20] >> Yeah. Uh Manny, it's $2.2 million. 1

[4:24] million of which will be to replace two

[4:26] hop shuttles. I think we all uh really

[4:30] value the hop program. And the other 1.2

[4:34] million is for a 5-year curb management

[4:37] program which includes uh wayfinding

[4:39] systems, uh smart loading zones, digital

[4:42] parking guidance, and automated

[4:44] enforcement for our city vehicles. So

[4:47] that's the totality of the 2.2 million.

[4:50] Am

[4:50] >> I miss?

[4:50] >> Yeah. No, no, it's fine. I think when we

[4:52] have questions, we should ask Dr. Sharp

[4:55] >> Manny. All right. So members of the

[4:57] council, open it up to you guys.

[5:00] Counciloman

[5:00] >> Fischer. Yeah, I mean I if if Director

[5:02] Sharp can come and articulate more of

[5:04] the 1.2 million um relating to curbside

[5:08] management, which is, you know, a little

[5:11] bit of a prickly subject

[5:13] >> so [snorts] we understand what it is

[5:14] exactly.

[5:16] >> Yeah. Good evening, council. Uh so the

[5:18] 1.2 million for the curb management

[5:20] technology, and that's what we're

[5:21] calling it because it's a package of of

[5:23] goods, right? Uh so the the main

[5:25] component there is purchasing uh cameras

[5:28] that will be able to uh uh implement a a

[5:31] smart loading zone program. Right? So

[5:33] we're trying to solve for those ultra

[5:35] short-term pickup and drop off and food

[5:38] delivery type trips in our business

[5:40] districts that are among the most

[5:41] difficult curb management challenges

[5:43] that we have today and have had for a

[5:44] long time.

[5:46] uh we've spoken to a lot of businesses

[5:48] and the percentage of if you're a

[5:51] restaurant the percentage of your orders

[5:54] uh has skyrocketed in recent years. So

[5:56] uh some businesses are now 65 70% of

[5:59] their total business through uh food

[6:02] delivery apps and things like that that

[6:04] require that quick uh pickup and drop

[6:06] off type activity. Uh so smart loading

[6:09] zone technology which this bond would

[6:11] help fund is revenue generating in

[6:13] nature. So uh that is a positive

[6:15] component of this as well. It's a

[6:17] secondary benefit to the curb management

[6:18] improvement. Uh and basically these

[6:21] cameras would uh be facing loading zones

[6:25] and council would have the opportunity

[6:28] uh after this is adopted to set the

[6:30] rules of the program. Right? So this is

[6:31] not it. Right? There's an opportunity to

[6:34] meet with subcommittee to [snorts] go

[6:36] over what the the fee structure would be

[6:38] for the smart loading zones. Right?

[6:39] There is a fee basically per minute. You

[6:42] can have a grace period for however long

[6:44] you want to have it. Uh, and you can

[6:47] have a graduated pricing of only a few

[6:48] cents per minute. Other cities have been

[6:51] using this technology. Fort Lee has been

[6:53] using it quite widely uh, in New Jersey.

[6:56] Uh, Pittsburgh has used it extensively.

[6:58] Pretty much every new loading zone that

[6:59] they uh, have uh, uses a smart loading

[7:02] zone uh, set of technologies similar to

[7:04] what we would be using for this program.

[7:06] Uh the second part of the bond package

[7:09] includes wayfinding technology which is

[7:11] indirectly uh revenue generating. The

[7:15] purpose of that is to basically take the

[7:17] data that we currently have uh in each

[7:19] of the city's parking garages, right?

[7:21] That's garage B and garage D and Midtown

[7:24] garage. Those are the three that have

[7:25] daily parking uh access available to

[7:28] customers. We have real time data right

[7:30] now on the utilization of those garages.

[7:32] So we know at any given time how many

[7:34] spaces are available in each one of

[7:36] them. And one of our biggest curve

[7:38] management challenges as well has been

[7:40] to direct people to our off- streetet

[7:43] parking. Right? So we often have plenty

[7:46] of parking available uh in these garages

[7:49] especially during uh you know peak

[7:51] periods when a lot of people are

[7:52] visiting Hoboken for example right now

[7:54] during uh the the evening period for

[7:56] dinner and things like that. but they

[7:59] may not know where the garages are

[8:00] unless they are uh you know proactively

[8:03] mapping that before they they try to

[8:05] come to Hoboken. This would be an

[8:07] opportunity to have signage, digital

[8:09] signage that updates in real time that

[8:11] could be uh posted at gateways to the

[8:13] city or gateways to our business

[8:15] districts that could inform people how

[8:18] many parking spaces are available uh in

[8:20] our garages. And it actually has the

[8:22] option to include uh tech for sensors

[8:26] that would uh do the same thing for on

[8:28] street parking as well. So for example,

[8:30] you could be coming into Hope Oak and

[8:31] you can make a turn on Washington Street

[8:33] and you could be greeted with a sign

[8:36] that tells you that there's X number of

[8:38] parking spaces available on this block.

[8:40] And then at the next block, uh if

[8:42] there's no parking available because it

[8:44] said zero, then it would direct you to

[8:46] garage B and it would tell you there's

[8:48] 224 spaces at that garage. So, uh,

[8:52] that's a sample of what this could

[8:53] potentially pay for. Uh, that's what we

[8:55] priced out. Uh, and then for for the

[8:58] other part of it, it's the it's the hot

[9:00] buses that you guys mentioned before.

[9:02] >> The hot buses, right?

[9:04] >> Um,

[9:06] >> so one of uh, so a couple different

[9:08] things. One is I think we've

[9:11] agreed that on a go forward basis, the

[9:13] bond discussion doesn't sit in finance,

[9:15] it sits in the group because we didn't

[9:17] talk about these in the transportation.

[9:19] Um, we didn't really talk about it in

[9:21] the finance either. I'm on both of them.

[9:24] Um, the

[9:27] uh it it feels a little like it's the

[9:31] cart coming before the horse on the um

[9:36] the loading zones. I mean, it's

[9:37] something we've talked about this at

[9:39] length. We all looked back at the, you

[9:41] know, the infamous um meeting from a

[9:44] year and a half ago, May, where we

[9:45] talked at length about smart loading

[9:47] zones. And I think we were all except

[9:50] for Reuben, everyone else wanted smart

[9:52] uh loading zones.

[9:54] >> I I I was okay with smart loading zone,

[9:55] but the roll out in education was

[9:57] >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm just giving you a hard

[9:58] time. Um but the

[10:00] >> I like what I wouldn't what I wouldn't

[10:03] want to do is have you walk away from

[10:07] here and order these cameras when we in

[10:10] fact haven't even approved an ordinance

[10:13] yet. Right. like it's uh it's something

[10:15] I think we all want to do, but we had a very robust discussion about what do

[10:20] we charge? You know, my if I recall

[10:22] correctly, Councilman Russo is like, you

[10:24] know, these should be free the first 15

[10:25] minutes. We shouldn't be charging, you

[10:27] know, people for stops. So, like I think

[10:29] we still have to have a robust

[10:31] conversation on what they look like, but

[10:33] I think we want them. we just don't want

[10:36] you to go and buy these cameras, you

[10:39] know, until and I would also say um

[10:44] I, you know, cameras are a tricky thing

[10:47] in Hoboken right now, right? And um the

[10:50] idea of kind of tracking parking spots I

[10:53] think is a good thing. Um, I think we

[10:56] always need to rethink about um, cameras

[10:58] because we get a lot of feedback, but in

[11:00] terms of the cost of something like

[11:02] parking, I mean, you and I have had

[11:03] conversations for probably six years

[11:05] about the HBA partnering with us because

[11:07] a lot of it a lot of it is really plenty

[11:10] to support residents who live here and

[11:12] have visitors, but a lot of it really is

[11:15] to, you know, dispel the notion that

[11:19] Hoboken doesn't have parking, right?

[11:20] People don't have any idea that we have

[11:22] parking garages and having wayfinding. I

[11:24] mean, this is an HBA conversation four

[11:27] years ago, five years ago. So, where is

[11:29] the HBA in this conversation to help,

[11:32] you know, cover the cost of this, which

[11:34] is really something that supports our

[11:35] businesses?

[11:37] >> That was a question, the second part.

[11:39] Sorry.

[11:40] >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean certainly HBA will be

[11:42] an important partner, but there are many

[11:44] different things whether it's uh

[11:46] expanding public transit or whether it's

[11:48] curb management technology or whether

[11:50] it's streetscape improvements, uh you

[11:53] know, managing Hudson Place and our new

[11:54] plaza there. There are so many different

[11:56] things that uh we we need help from HBA

[12:00] on, but we can't have them pay for all

[12:02] of it, right? So, I think we need to be

[12:04] strategic about uh which things the city

[12:06] takes on and which things the HBA takes

[12:08] on. And uh to me at least this feels

[12:11] like it's more in in the city camp um

[12:15] we're in negotiation negotiations with

[12:17] him on other things. Right. So

[12:18] >> and and is the is the wayfinding I mean

[12:21] are you connecting with the private

[12:23] garages? So when someone comes in it's

[12:25] not just the public garages, it's the

[12:28] private garages and the empty spots

[12:29] there.

[12:30] >> That would be a goal of this plan,

[12:32] right? Uh we would want to do both,

[12:34] right? Initially, the first sign or two

[12:37] that goes up, we would want to

[12:38] prioritize our public garages, right?

[12:40] But then uh if proven success,

[12:42] >> I I I literally disagree with that.

[12:44] Okay. I think it Well, it's just my

[12:47] view. I know we're trying to find like

[12:49] our own revenue, but like strategically

[12:51] for the city, having a master approach

[12:55] to parking is what helps everyone in the

[12:58] city. It brings more people here when

[13:00] they know all of the parking, not just

[13:01] the city parking. like we we have to

[13:03] think outside of our tiny little silo

[13:06] and think more, you know, like citywide.

[13:09] So, it it it shouldn't just be

[13:12] >> I don't think it should be what

[13:13] >> it definitely won't just be that. I was

[13:14] just saying that we're ramping up,

[13:17] right? So, if you can afford a certain

[13:20] number of signs to begin with, you know,

[13:23] we can talk about that. Like, where

[13:24] should we prioritize them? That's fine.

[13:26] Um, you know, there's nothing set in

[13:28] stone there. But,

[13:30] >> it's not just where the signs are. It's

[13:32] like what [clears throat] are we

[13:33] counting? Are we just counting public

[13:35] spaces or are we counting private

[13:37] garages as well? So like in in the

[13:40] north, right, we always talk about this.

[13:41] There's only there there's no public

[13:43] garages yet in the north. So we're going

[13:45] to tell people coming in, you know, that

[13:47] there's parking spaces, garage B all the

[13:49] way down. We'll have some wayf finding

[13:50] signs. Well, why not connect with the

[13:52] Laz garage at 1450 Bloomfield and see if

[13:55] they have a way to count and and and

[13:57] know how many available spaces are there

[13:59] as well. So if someone's coming up town,

[14:01] they know that they can get to a parking

[14:03] garage up

[14:04] >> opportunity too for us.

[14:06] >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

[14:08] >> Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. It just it seems it it I and and everything I'm

[14:14] saying here is conversations we've had

[14:15] over the years. This isn't new. I just I

[14:18] think the approach to parking in Hoboken

[14:20] should be a list holistic citywide. You

[14:22] should be able to go on a parking app

[14:23] and see all the parking garages in

[14:25] Hoboken. Like when we want we want

[14:26] people like we're you know third ward,

[14:28] right? Third ward completely missed in

[14:31] this. Second ward, fifth ward completely

[14:33] missed in this. And we want people to

[14:35] come in and know where all of the

[14:37] garages are that have daily parking. So

[14:39] they can go in the fifth ward, they can

[14:40] go in the third ward, they can go in the

[14:42] fourth ward, right? Like you the they're

[14:45] all concentrated in like the the first

[14:47] and sixth wel helpful and it's not

[14:49] helpful to spend money on something that

[14:51] is just for that especially when it's

[14:53] geared towards the businesses and

[14:54] they're not paying.

[14:55] >> I mean I want to support you.

[14:57] >> Anyone else?

[14:58] >> Yeah.

[14:59] That's what President Thank you. Sorry.

[15:01] >> So,

[15:04] » I have a question. What happened to all

[15:05] the money we spent on the cameras for

[15:07] the failed Clear program and now we're

[15:10] going to buy more cameras, right?

[15:11] Because I think we bought money with

[15:13] Clear. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[15:14] >> Buy more.

[15:15] >> I mean, they're not connected, but you

[15:17] can potentially repurpose some of those

[15:19] cameras. Uh, but

[15:21] >> it's a different program. So, the smart

[15:23] loading zones, it's totally different

[15:25] from automated enforcement of bike.

[15:27] Didn't we use the clear program? It was

[15:29] sold past administration. You weren't

[15:32] here. You are cleaning up a mess.

[15:35] But we were told data from those cameras

[15:38] that they used that the cameras we have

[15:40] set up right now can do the same thing

[15:42] that potentially we're buying again or

[15:45] on a different

[15:47] there's a cost associated with keeping

[15:49] the cameras, right? So there's uh

[15:52] cellular connectivity, right? There's

[15:54] merchant processing fees. there's a cost

[15:56] of the hardware itself, right? So those

[15:59] cameras for a different purpose has a

[16:02] different scope in terms of what they

[16:04] can see and where they're positioned and

[16:05] so forth that would be different from a

[16:07] smart loading zone program where you

[16:09] have cameras that are targeting loading

[16:10] zones specifically, right? So there's a

[16:12] difference between the two. I get that.

[16:15] But these things were giving us data. We

[16:18] have the cameras already pos again. I'm

[16:20] just going to say we're double we're

[16:21] buying seconds of cameras. It's another

[16:24] system. I get it. Um, I think before we

[16:26] do any of this,

[16:28] uh, I think we should explore the fact

[16:31] that our loading zones aren't big

[16:32] enough. So before we go get a plan

[16:34] going, we either have to remove every

[16:37] parklet off Washington Street or in my

[16:39] ward because a lot of the loading zones

[16:42] butt into it and majority of the

[16:44] deliveries now due to the cost of

[16:45] inflation have tractor trailers coming

[16:48] into town. And you and I can stand on a

[16:50] quarter, we can watch it. And we saw it

[16:52] at at Hudson Place, right? problem. They

[16:54] couldn't get They're not getting little

[16:55] vans anymore. Our loading zones aren't

[16:57] big enough. Our bus stops are way too

[16:59] big. So, I know we've There was some

[17:01] talk about the Kimley Horn study and the

[17:03] thing that maybe repurpose them during

[17:04] different times, but unfortunately, bus

[17:06] stops and deliveries are probably the

[17:08] same times in the morning when we're

[17:10] busy. So, we can't do that. But I know

[17:12] on Washington Street,

[17:14] our loading zones are impossible. You're

[17:16] lucky to find one for a tractor trailer

[17:18] to pull up. And with the with the

[17:21] increase in big box chains coming into

[17:24] Hoboken, it's all 18 wheelers or you

[17:27] know something along those semis coming

[17:29] in. So before I would before I can give

[17:33] you my backing on this, we should be

[17:35] studying that or fixing that first and

[17:37] then going into doing this because if

[17:39] we're going to just buy cameras and

[17:41] we're just going to go put them into the

[17:42] loading zones we have now, that's not

[17:44] going to do anything but penalize cars.

[17:46] Just the four-wheel cars. the big trucks

[17:49] are just going to double park no matter

[17:50] what because they have no place to go.

[17:52] They can't go to a parking garage. So I

[17:55] also am in concerned here is because we

[17:58] don't I haven't seen a plan at least in

[18:00] our committee. I mean the three of us

[18:01] sit here we haven't seen a plan for

[18:03] this. I mean I would hope that before we

[18:06] bond for something we can see the plan.

[18:08] Now we've read the I'm I'm struggling to

[18:11] get through the full Kimley horn. I'm

[18:13] still going through it because I want to

[18:14] look at the details of it. However, you

[18:17] know, again, I'll use what Councilwoman

[18:19] Fischer said, the cart before the horse.

[18:21] We don't even I don't even know what

[18:22] you're doing with this money other than

[18:24] buying cameras. And the fact that we

[18:26] have a problem with the loading zones

[18:27] being too small, that's the first

[18:29] problem we should solve. Do we make one

[18:32] side of the street from 8 to two all

[18:34] loading zones and we get rid of pay

[18:36] parking? You know, I don't know. We've

[18:37] talked about this. You know, we tried it

[18:39] in front of city hall. Works pretty

[18:41] well. Fortunately, that's now under this

[18:43] plan or this idea would become pay zones

[18:45] potentially. But my question is I

[18:48] haven't seen the plan for this and

[18:50] you're asking me to vote for this. And

[18:52] again, not you. The the administration

[18:54] is asking me to vote for this. I haven't

[18:55] seen the plan for this like how this is

[18:58] going to work. And then I also haven't

[18:59] seen a revenue number plan. We say in

[19:02] here that it's going to increase

[19:03] revenue. Okay,

[19:04] >> we don't know that yet.

[19:05] >> When? How much? Like I have none none of

[19:08] the details in behind it. Maybe I should

[19:11] have asked this before in the in the

[19:12] time frame, but there was a lot of stuff

[19:13] that I've been going through with the

[19:14] Kimley Horn reading that since we had

[19:16] our meeting uh and this kind of fell by

[19:18] the wayside a little bit, but these are

[19:20] the type of things it sounds like you're

[19:22] going to have the votes to pass this

[19:24] unfortunately because it's bonded with

[19:25] the hot buses. But it leaves a lot of

[19:27] questions to me on if we're going to put

[19:29] something forward after we learn from

[19:30] the clear program at the clear debacle

[19:33] of that that if if I'm to get behind

[19:36] something, which I'm okay to get behind

[19:38] the loading zones, but I just think we

[19:40] need to make the we need to think about

[19:41] the loading zones before we vote for it.

[19:44] Like we have to fix the problem first

[19:46] and then you could put the cameras in

[19:48] because we put two cameras in, let's

[19:49] say, for a loading or one for a loading

[19:51] zone

[19:53] >> and it's just local cars. I mean, you

[19:57] know, I'm struggling. I just don't see

[19:58] the whole plan here. I'm just getting

[20:00] by. You're asking me to vote for

[20:02] something. The 1.2 million, I'm happy to

[20:04] do the hot buses, but the 1.2 I'm not

[20:06] comfortable yet with.

[20:07] >> Councilman Buso.

[20:08] >> Thank you, Council President.

[20:10] I just want to say buyer beware. Right.

[20:12] Um,

[20:15] it goes to Councilwoman Fischer,

[20:16] Councilman President Donald's point

[20:18] about putting the court before the

[20:19] horse.

[20:20] the last administration and now this

[20:22] administration. Quite frankly, director,

[20:24] you were here for both of those. You

[20:27] used a funding mechanism mechanism to

[20:30] implement

[20:31] a change in our roadway on Grand Street.

[20:35] So, I am skeptical

[20:38] about voting on any types of funding

[20:41] mechanisms without having the full clear

[20:43] plan in front of me because I don't want

[20:46] to wind up in the same situation where

[20:48] we voted for a contract for somebody or

[20:50] we voted for a bonding for something and

[20:53] then all of a sudden the administration

[20:54] is going to use that as a mechanism to

[20:59] implement things that this council did

[21:00] not vote on.

[21:02] That's that's scary for me. I don't

[21:05] think we should be doing that. I think

[21:06] if we're going to ask for funding, I

[21:10] think we should be presented with a full

[21:12] plan of what that funding is going to be

[21:14] used for. There's a lot of uh you know,

[21:16] I I like to see that as the second part

[21:19] of this, incorporating that into private

[21:21] garages. Great, but we don't have that,

[21:22] right? Well, that's part of the plan

[21:24] into the future. Well, great. We don't

[21:26] have that. So for me, I I'd like to

[21:29] start seeing these bonds, the these

[21:32] contracts. Like to start seeing all of

[21:35] the potential work

[21:38] in front of us before we actually vote

[21:41] on it. I I just can't see voting for

[21:43] something that there there's a what if

[21:45] or maybe, right? Or yeah, we have a

[21:47] great plan to do this and then all of a

[21:49] sudden something doesn't come back

[21:51] before the council and we as a council

[21:54] now have to backtrack, right? like on

[21:56] the clear program or the Grand Street

[21:57] pilot, right? Like all of that stuff. So

[22:00] I I think that's problematic. Um so I'm

[22:03] not going to be supporting this tonight.

[22:04] Uh if you come back with a different

[22:06] bond for uh hot buses, I'd be more than

[22:08] happy to support that, but in its

[22:10] totality, I just can't support it all.

[22:12] Councilman Imus.

[22:14] >> Um I just had a question about um again

[22:17] like I I agree that putting the requests

[22:20] for the funds ahead of the plan is is

[22:23] definitely not the way I would have

[22:25] preferred to have seen this come

[22:26] through. Um I am a big supporter of

[22:30] using technology and using the whole

[22:33] concept of smart loading zones to lessen

[22:37] the congestion we have on Washington

[22:40] Street. Um, I I I think that's a really

[22:44] great goal. Um, but I guess my question

[22:47] to you is is if if we pass this bond and

[22:51] then

[22:52] don't we still have to vote on the rules

[22:55] of engagement for it?

[22:56] >> Yes.

[22:57] >> So, so like I I'm I'm sitting here

[23:00] thinking, well, I don't know that that

[23:02] could like how are you going to

[23:03] implement a plan without us voting on an

[23:06] ordinance that says,

[23:08] >> okay, uh, we're allowed to do this with

[23:10] our loading zones or we're going to

[23:12] create two on each side of Washington

[23:16] Street, two loading zone spots that are

[23:18] only to be used for cars and we're going

[23:20] to charge a minimal amount by the minute

[23:22] or so. So So that that is my question

[23:24] because I would not be s if I knew that

[23:28] you could just go off and make a plan

[23:30] with the $1.2 million and not go back

[23:32] and ask or develop a plan that makes

[23:34] sense or really work with residents who

[23:37] know how this goes, right? I would not

[23:40] support it but I think you know um I am

[23:43] supportive of the concept. So Councilman

[23:46] Cohen.

[23:46] >> Thank um two things obviously well my

[23:51] other council colleagues have mentioned

[23:52] this but there are two aspects to this

[23:54] bond. The first is to replace two aged

[23:57] hop shuttle buses uh that have more than

[24:00] 12 years old with more than 150,000

[24:02] miles on each of them. The goal is to

[24:04] replace them with electric vehicles.

[24:06] there's a lead time for electric

[24:07] vehicles to need to be ordered. I think

[24:10] my colleagues all seem supportive of

[24:12] that and that's half the bond which is

[24:14] important with respect to the uh uh

[24:17] installation of curbside management,

[24:19] parking wayinding systems. Uh just you

[24:23] know I generally agree with what

[24:25] councilwoman has said. I I think that

[24:26] there's a lot of promises technology. I

[24:29] reject the additive of debacle with

[24:31] respect to the clear program. I I think

[24:33] that it was poorly rolled out,

[24:36] >> but the technology itself

[24:39] worked. Uh, you know, I rode on my bike

[24:42] down 11th Street and I never once had to

[24:45] go into Washington Street because cars

[24:46] were not double parked in the bike

[24:48] lanes. The technology is proven. It

[24:50] worked. It generates real revenues for

[24:52] the city. So, I think we have a proof of

[24:54] concept that shows that this technology

[24:57] does create real revenues for the city.

[24:59] We need to find additional sources for

[25:00] revenues. the technologies available.

[25:02] We've seen it work. We obviously could

[25:05] and should roll it out better and I hope

[25:06] that we do. Uh and I look forward to

[25:08] that. But uh I think that it was a

[25:11] success. It just should have been rolled

[25:13] out better. So I'm fully supportive and

[25:16] uh thanks.

[25:19] Um yeah, I'm [clears throat] also

[25:20] supportive of this and just kind of to

[25:22] talk about the concerns of some of the

[25:24] members on the council with respect to

[25:27] um

[25:28] concerns about not having a plan,

[25:30] concerns about a bait and switch for

[25:32] lack of a better word. Uh based on past

[25:34] experiences, I understand kind of those

[25:36] concerns.

[25:37] um I balance, you know, between trying

[25:42] to kind of think of everything before we

[25:44] start moving forward, having the uh

[25:47] perfect be the enemy be the good in some

[25:49] instances. We're looking to position

[25:51] ourselves to act as quickly as possible.

[25:54] Um

[25:56] and the my experience on this council

[25:58] over the past 10 months with this

[26:01] administration and I would hope that experience shared by by all of us

[26:06] uh say that you know the current

[26:08] administration is not acting uh in the

[26:11] same way that the prior administration

[26:13] has. They've been very collaborative

[26:14] whether it's budget, whether it's other

[26:16] things and been very uh transparent in

[26:20] and engaging uh with all members of this

[26:22] council and in you know all almost every

[26:25] material respect. So, I would expect for

[26:29] that to to follow suit. And so, I'm okay

[26:32] moving forward in this fashion now

[26:33] because I think, you know, the the we

[26:37] have the receipts that this

[26:38] administration acts differently. Uh this

[26:41] council acts differently with each other

[26:43] because we're we're far more

[26:44] collaborative. I think it's just a more

[26:45] much more positive experience. So I

[26:47] would like to position us ourselves to act quickly uh to put in those uh

[26:53] parking improvements that facilitation

[26:55] uh enforcement and potential for

[26:57] revenue. So I hope everyone joins me in supporting those and of course I too

[27:02] love the hot buses.

[27:04] >> Any other members of council?

[27:06] >> Yeah, I for me like I did not support

[27:09] the cameras not because I was a genius

[27:11] or anything like that. is because I had

[27:13] zero faith in what the roll out or

[27:16] implementation would look like. Uh here

[27:19] I feel a lot differently. I think this

[27:23] cannot be rolled out unless we have the

[27:26] fee structure in place that we work on

[27:27] behind the scenes. Uh it cannot be

[27:30] rolled out unless we finalize what that

[27:33] looks like and where it's be implemented

[27:35] throughout the city. That cannot happen.

[27:37] Uh then we need to educate the public,

[27:41] not two days beforehand with a press

[27:43] release, but a real education program

[27:46] that took place in all those other

[27:47] cities that you mentioned before they

[27:48] rolled the program out and what's

[27:50] happening now throughout the state where

[27:51] they're using camera sticks as opposed

[27:53] to cameras on top of uh on top of

[27:55] traffic signals. And so those four

[27:58] things need to happen. They just can't

[28:01] go buy the cameras or invest in those

[28:03] things. Uh, I think because we've I was

[28:05] on the transportation committee before

[28:07] and those are all positive things,

[28:10] right? Cameras in the loading zones,

[28:11] moving vehicles as as we go, giving

[28:13] people opportunity to run in and out.

[28:15] Uh, I wasn't in favor of of the gotcha

[28:18] uh portion wi-i which which every

[28:21] resident felt like it was. Uh, it should

[28:24] be pro business because allowing more

[28:26] residents and outsiders to park on

[28:30] Washington Street a lot easier knowing

[28:31] where it is and the the signage needs to

[28:33] be clear when we do that. So, those

[28:36] things need to happen and a vote needs

[28:38] to happen. Every single one of those

[28:40] things along the way, which did not

[28:42] happen on Grand Street, we were promised

[28:44] that. It did not happen on Washington

[28:46] Street. We were promised that. So, all

[28:49] of those things need to happen here. So

[28:52] that's that's the only reason well I'll

[28:54] support this tonight because those steps

[28:56] need to happen or else it's not gonna be

[28:57] on the agenda at all. And I

[28:59] >> just a really quick question when when

[29:01] would we expect to have an ordinance for

[29:04] the loading zones for us to consider

[29:08] [snorts]

[29:08] >> hopefully by the end of the year. I mean

[29:11] >> there's a lot of work to do for it. But

[29:13] uh if this is passed tonight we would

[29:15] immediately work with you know a vendor

[29:17] to give you a presentation in committee.

[29:19] >> Yeah I say

[29:20] >> before you get to

[29:21] And then even when the ordinance is

[29:23] here, it should not be here. It should

[29:26] be in committee. It should be discussed

[29:28] with all the council members. It just

[29:29] should be like showing up here on

[29:31] December whatever that date is.

[29:32] >> Yeah.

[29:33] >> Everyone should know what's going on

[29:34] unlike uh the last time.

[29:36] >> This will definitely be an open and

[29:37] collaborative process. It's critical. We

[29:39] honestly it won't work well without

[29:41] that. And we really want this to work.

[29:44] >> So the upside is tremendous. I uh

[29:49] >> call the vote con

[29:52] >> I

[29:54] stone.

[29:54] >> Yes.

[29:55] >> M. Fisher.

[29:56] >> Yes.

[29:57] >> Mrs. Imus.

[29:58] >> Yes.

[29:59] >> Mrs. L.

[30:00] >> Yes.

[30:01] >> Mr. Presidento.

[30:02] >> No.

[30:03] >> Mr. Cano.

[30:04] >> Hi.

[30:08] » Mr. Russo.

[30:09] >> No.

[30:10] >> President Ramos.

[30:11] >> Hi.

[30:13] have a hearing on an ordinance amending

[30:15] the redevelopment plan for the Northwest

[30:17] >> I'm sorry before you uh uh ordinance

[30:19] number seven is also off the agenda this

[30:22] evening. Uh J85 was also carried. You

[30:26] mentioned the first two ordinances.

[30:27] >> Uh you didn't mention uh

[30:30] J85 is also carried. Just wanted to say

[30:32] that. I apologize. Thank you.

[30:34] >> On an ordinance amending the

[30:35] redevelopment plan for the Northwest

[30:38] Industrial Redevelopment Area.

[30:41] >> Motion to close public hearing.

[30:42] >> Motion. All in favor?

[30:43] >> I councel

[30:47] >> call the vote.

[30:48] >> Mr. Con.

[30:49] >> Hi.

[30:50] >> Firestone.

[30:50] >> Yes.

[30:51] >> Fisher.

[30:52] >> Yes.

[30:52] >> Mr. Zyus.

[30:53] >> Yes.

[30:54] >> Slation.

[30:55] >> President.

[30:56] >> Hi.

[30:57] >> Cano.

[30:58] >> Hi.

[30:58] >> Mr. Russo.

[31:00] >> Hi.

[31:00] >> President Ramos.

[31:01] >> I. Hearing on an ordinance amending

[31:03] chapter 190 implement various curbside

[31:07] changes along 13th Street between

[31:09] Washington Street and Willow Avenue and

[31:12] Third Street between Hudson Street and

[31:14] River Street. Um motion to close public

[31:17] hearing.

[31:17] >> Motion second.

[31:18] >> Cler call a vote.

[31:20] >> Mr. Con.

[31:21] >> Wstone.

[31:22] >> Yes. Fisher.

[31:24] >> Yes.

[31:24] >> Mr. Zyus.

[31:26] >> Yes. Mr.

[31:26] >> Leano.

[31:28] Hi. Mr. Canero. Hi.

[31:30] >> Mr. Russo. Hi. President Ramos. Hi.

[31:38] Hearing on an ordinance amending chapter

[31:40] 190-11 entitled loading zones to add

[31:44] loading zone to Jefferson Street and

[31:46] adjust a loading zone on Clinton Street.

[31:50] Uh motion to close public hearing.

[31:52] >> Motion.

[31:53] >> Second. All in favor?

[31:55] >> I.

[31:56] >> Uh Mr. Clerk, call the vote.

[31:58] >> Mr. Con?

[31:59] >> I.

[32:00] >> Mr. Firestone.

[32:01] >> Yes.

[32:01] >> Miss Fischer.

[32:03] >> Yes.

[32:03] >> Mrs. Zyus.

[32:04] >> Yes.

[32:04] >> Mrs. Leen.

[32:05] >> Yes.

[32:06] >> President Zano.

[32:07] >> Hi.

[32:07] >> Santero.

[32:08] >> Hi.

[32:09] >> Mr. Russo.

[32:10] >> Hi.

[32:11] >> President Ramos.

[32:12] >> Hi.

[32:13] >> Uh,

[32:17] J86.

[32:18] >> Seven. All right. Seven's carried. Okay.

[32:21] The hearing on eight hearing on announce

[32:24] repealing chapter 133 of the whole

[32:26] Oakland city code entitled noise control

[32:29] to repeal 133-13

[32:33] outdoor amplified sound permit.

[32:36] >> Yeah. Manuel Rivera.

[32:38] >> Oh, I was you came to get

[32:40] >> Oh, you your J86 also miss Pat Waiters.

[32:43] Sorry.

[32:43] >> Pat waiters. Is this the um last

[32:46] meeting? Not last me. Yeah. The last

[32:48] meeting, Manny. Last meeting when those

[32:51] people from this um complex question

[32:54] you, Miss Fischer, about the noise

[32:56] pollution. I learned later. Are they

[32:58] suing you?

[33:00] >> We're being sued. No,

[33:01] >> not no not yet.

[33:02] >> So that's not

[33:03] >> No.

[33:04] >> I'll give an update in a minute.

[33:05] >> Okay. Wait. I just Y'all saying

[33:07] transparency and got five resolutions on

[33:09] here for transparency. And this is what

[33:11] I'm trying to say was so important. Our

[33:13] town is so vulnerable and they take

[33:15] advantage of us. This is crazy. I sat

[33:18] here and I heard the whole thing. I just

[33:19] want to know are we being sued?

[33:21] >> I I will give an update.

[33:23] >> We are.

[33:23] >> No, I will give an update when it's my

[33:25] turn.

[33:25] >> Okay. Thank you so much, Miss Fisher.

[33:27] >> Manuel Rivera Solair.

[33:36] » Thank you, Council President. I rise

[33:38] because I'm a little bit disillusioned

[33:39] once again. the council is um

[33:43] >> causing me a little bit of concern here,

[33:45] but um in regards to this ordinance J86,

[33:48] it is interesting to see how

[33:52] quickly someone from the public or

[33:55] someone with a special interest can

[33:57] change the council's mind,

[34:00] irregardless if it's meritous, if it has

[34:03] merit, fine. But if it doesn't have

[34:06] merit, you have to explain as Miss uh

[34:08] Councilwoman Fischer says she's going to

[34:10] do maybe you as well, Council President.

[34:12] But we are disillusioned. We need to

[34:14] know the reasoning why this is being

[34:16] repealed. The reason why even if it was,

[34:21] pardon me, even if there were sections

[34:23] where the person or company or

[34:27] establishment decided to challenge,

[34:29] maybe you could have fixed that section,

[34:32] repaired it in some way where the

[34:35] ordinance could have stand. You're

[34:37] disregarding the neighbors and the

[34:39] residents who came here and spoke

[34:40] against it. Once again, how will you fix

[34:43] this? How will you gain back the

[34:45] integrity of this council where now

[34:48] anyone withstanding can come up and say

[34:50] well send my lawyer to send the council

[34:53] or the mayor that they have to repeal

[34:55] because I have an issue and if not I

[34:57] will sue. How can you face members of

[35:00] the public with this ordinance? Explain

[35:04] it. We need to know restore the faith of

[35:07] the people.

[35:10] I know that I've asked many many other

[35:12] times, override a veto,

[35:15] you couldn't do it. But this you can do,

[35:20] right? How can it be? Where is the moral

[35:23] standing with you? Where do you tell

[35:26] your constituents that your authority

[35:29] stands no matter what? Again, if you

[35:32] explain it to the people, let them know

[35:34] that this has to be done because it

[35:36] would be very expensive. is meritorious

[35:39] and we will fix it. Then maybe we could

[35:41] accept it. Again, this is not trying to

[35:43] be um argumentative with you or pointing

[35:47] the finger at you, but someone has to

[35:49] explain this to members of the public.

[35:51] Council President, I would hope that

[35:53] this evening in in the spirit of

[35:55] transparency that you are planning in in

[35:57] the consent agenda, the members of the

[36:00] public and the people who are watching

[36:02] get all of the details necessary before

[36:05] you vote for this ordinance. and I yield

[36:07] back. Thank you.

[36:08] >> Thank you. Motion to close public

[36:10] hearing.

[36:10] >> Motion.

[36:11] >> Second.

[36:11] >> All in favor?

[36:12] >> I.

[36:13] >> Counciloman Fischer.

[36:14] >> Yep. So, just to answer

[36:18] what both Miss Waiters and uh Mr. Rivera

[36:21] mentioned, we we're still working on

[36:23] this. There was um we put the ordinance

[36:25] in. And I think the sentiment was here

[36:27] from the council to support some sort of

[36:32] uh some sort of improvement to

[36:36] uh the use of sound um in certain public

[36:40] places that are too close to residential

[36:43] buildings. We we tried to do it along

[36:44] the uptown waterfront to to start. The

[36:48] reason why it's being repealed is

[36:51] because of state law. Um, state law

[36:57] actually oversees like noise ordinance.

[36:59] This wasn't supposed to be a noise

[37:00] ordinance, so it was a bit of a snafu.

[37:02] The administration put it in the wrong

[37:04] place, but there's the the DP is who

[37:08] effectively controls noise ordinances

[37:12] and so we have to work with them. So

[37:13] >> on the waterfront yeah sorry on the

[37:16] waterfront. So, what has happened since

[37:20] that in parallel is the city has already

[37:23] reached out to the DP um who's actually

[37:26] updating their standards and we're going

[37:28] to work with them to figure out what we

[37:29] can do. Um but also we met with uh the

[37:33] berries that are the owners of Shipyard

[37:35] who did insinuate that they would take

[37:38] us to court. Um which they've they've

[37:41] done before. Um but we met with them and

[37:44] had a really constructive conversation

[37:46] about within their control. First of

[37:48] all, giving more context around what

[37:50] some of the issues are that had not

[37:52] elevated to the top parents of the

[37:54] company. Uh and then talked through some

[37:58] ways that we can be better partners, you

[38:01] know, in this area. All that being said,

[38:03] this was never targeted at Pier 13. Um,

[38:06] we've consistently tried to manage the

[38:10] relationship between a residential

[38:12] neighborhood in an area that is tourist

[38:15] and commercial and we bump into it with

[38:17] noise and with like bikes and scooters

[38:19] and stuff that are reckless on the

[38:20] waterfront. So, we are going to go back

[38:23] and take a stab at this. I mean, we have

[38:24] a new park that's going to open up, you

[38:26] know, a year and a half from now, right

[38:28] on Wehawken Cove that is right next to

[38:30] uh some residential buildings in Hoboken

[38:32] in my ward as well as we hawken that

[38:34] we're going to need the same type of

[38:36] restrictions. So, we're actively, you

[38:38] know, the administration's been very

[38:40] supportive about trying to figure out a

[38:41] way to bring this back in time for next

[38:44] summer and we won't have it for the end

[38:46] of this year anyway. It doesn't matter,

[38:47] but we are hoping to have something um

[38:48] in time for next spring. So, that's it.

[38:52] President Councilman Cohen.

[38:58] [snorts]

[38:58] >> Thank you, Counc. Um, Manny, to answer

[39:02] your question, how we got here, uh, I

[39:04] think it is important to talk about how

[39:07] we got here. So, I I first learned about

[39:10] this ordinance on August 12th.

[39:12] Councilman Fischer and I actually wore

[39:14] working together on another ordinance,

[39:16] uh, Berg Glass ordinance, and we

[39:18] actually were working well together on

[39:20] that. We had a bunch of conversations

[39:21] about it

[39:22] >> uh the last minute and the same night we

[39:25] were going to be hearing about this on

[39:26] first reading and she described it to me

[39:28] >> and uh one of the things she said about

[39:30] it was that it was going to regulate

[39:32] waterfront noise in the waterfront

[39:34] district and I just had a single

[39:35] question which was which was um

[39:40] have you contacted Pier 13 because you

[39:43] know having lived in Hoboken for 40

[39:46] years uh having seen the development of

[39:48] the waterfront There really, to my

[39:51] knowledge, there's only one business

[39:52] that had amplified sound on the entire

[39:54] waterfront that was being affected. And

[39:56] Councilwoman Fischer told me that she

[39:57] hadn't, but that it was a good

[39:58] suggestion that she would reach out to

[40:00] them. And in fact, she did the day that

[40:02] it was introduced. Uh, and frankly, I

[40:05] didn't think about that again. It came

[40:07] back on September 2nd. That's when it

[40:09] was for second reading for approval. And

[40:12] uh we heard for the first time from the

[40:16] representatives of Pure 13 a number of

[40:19] issues. I I raised concerns about the

[40:22] fact that it seemed like maybe we were

[40:24] singling out a single business. It

[40:26] seemed like, you know, maybe we could be

[40:28] more collaborative and try and work

[40:30] together rather than impose $1,000 fines

[40:34] for violations and $250 per month permit

[40:38] just to operate with an outdoor speaker.

[40:41] Uh and what I heard in addition to those

[40:45] concerns about possibly singling out a

[40:47] single business was that uh there were

[40:51] legal issues as well. Uh constitutional

[40:54] issues relating to targeting vagueness

[40:57] because when it comes to noise

[40:59] ordinances, it's important to have a

[41:00] decibel level in order to enforce it

[41:02] consistently. And it shouldn't be up to

[41:05] someone who's like that sounds loud so

[41:07] you get a ticket. But no, you're above a

[41:09] certain number of decibb and that's how

[41:11] you enforce the law fairly. That's how

[41:13] noise ordinance are supposed to work.

[41:15] There were no decibel numbers in this.

[41:17] And and our corporation council said

[41:21] when we I asked, "Have you considered

[41:24] these issues? Would you like to consider

[41:25] them?" She said, "You know what? I

[41:28] haven't considered those issues." And

[41:30] she asked the entire city council to

[41:32] take a beat and to do legal research and

[41:35] get back to us. Okay? and uh we decided

[41:40] not to. And part of the reason we

[41:41] decided not to is because Councilwoman

[41:43] Fischer was very insistent that we

[41:45] needed to move quickly. This was common

[41:47] sense. It was reasonable. It wasn't

[41:49] targeting anybody. Uh but we learned

[41:51] something interesting at that September

[41:53] 2nd meeting. And I want to give credit

[41:54] to council president. He called up

[41:56] Director Fanti and Director Fanti came

[41:59] up and he reported to us on the history

[42:04] of noise violations in the city of

[42:06] Hoboken over the last 14 months and he

[42:09] told us that there were 1,00

[42:14] 1,400

[42:17] some odd complaints that had taken place

[42:20] over the last 14 months. And 32 of those

[42:24] complaints, 32 of those complaints were

[42:27] directed at Pier 13. One, actually, it's

[42:29] 1,140

[42:31] noise complaints over 14 months. 32 of

[42:33] them came from Pier 13. And in response

[42:36] to that, Councilwoman Fischer was

[42:39] indignant, couldn't believe the numbers

[42:41] were that low. And then she said that

[42:44] she personally had called the police 32

[42:46] times on this business personally. So,

[42:49] it seemed person to me, it seemed

[42:51] personal. And frankly, I think that was

[42:52] pretty good evidence to hand to someone

[42:54] who wants to sue the city that they're

[42:55] being targeted that in fact they were

[42:58] being targeted. So I think that's

[42:59] problematic. In any event, two weeks

[43:01] later, we get a memo from Corporation

[43:03] Council and Corporation Council provided

[43:06] us the me the memo right before the

[43:07] meeting. And what did the memo say? It

[43:10] said that not only were the uh concerns,

[43:14] legal concerns legitimate that should be

[43:17] considered, but that the DP would not

[43:21] could not

[43:23] grant the noise ordinance from a city

[43:25] without written approval from the D. The

[43:28] city had never approached the D. So

[43:31] again, it call it my spidey sense, call

[43:34] it having lived through this council

[43:36] before, but I have seen this council

[43:39] name and blame businesses for problems

[43:42] in this city. Okay? I've seen this

[43:45] council name and blame a single mom and

[43:48] pop shop that has a cannabis dispensary

[43:51] as being responsible for all the ills of

[43:53] cannabis and children in America. Okay?

[43:55] I've seen this council name and blame a

[43:58] single business with a streetery for

[44:00] being responsible for every rat in the

[44:03] city of Hoboken and naming that

[44:05] business. Okay.

[44:07] >> It is better in a mile square city to be

[44:10] working collaboratively

[44:12] with our businesses and support our

[44:15] businesses and to come up with voluntary

[44:17] solutions rather than draconian fines

[44:21] and targeting or what appears to be

[44:23] targeting. Again, you could say I'm not

[44:25] targeting all you want, but when you say

[44:27] that I called the police 32 times on

[44:29] this business, it raises questions.

[44:31] Okay? And you don't need to be Perry

[44:33] Mason to come up with a persuasive brief

[44:35] on that.

[44:36] >> Okay. So, so let me let me just wrap up

[44:39] and say this.

[44:40] >> Yeah. You want wrapped up?

[44:41] >> I will wrap up.

[44:43] >> I I it's important that we repeal this.

[44:46] I urge my colleagues to repeal this. The

[44:48] city faces significant legal jeopardy if

[44:50] this does not pass. and I hope that we

[44:52] work with our businesses in a

[44:54] collaborative way

[44:55] >> in the future. Thank you.

[44:57] >> Can I

[44:57] >> But in spite of all that, uh, Councilman

[45:00] Cohen, I think you look forward to

[45:01] working with Councilwoman Fischer.

[45:03] >> I I don't need to neighborhood to try

[45:05] and recognize there were issues with

[45:06] them

[45:07] >> 100%

[45:07] >> because a lot of what you said is like

[45:09] >> and I'm glad that that she had a meeting

[45:10] this week with the owners of the

[45:12] business to do that. So,

[45:13] >> because I'm just going to make a quick

[45:14] statement. I I prom I promise every

[45:17] member in the council.

[45:18] >> Thank you, Council President. And I

[45:19] promised the council, I promised the

[45:20] members of the audience, I'm not going

[45:21] to rehash the whole history of this. Uh,

[45:23] I just wanted to add that in my

[45:25] conversations with C councilwoman

[45:26] Fischer, and I think I said it at the

[45:28] meeting, too. I'm looking forward to

[45:30] making sure that we're doing this across

[45:32] the entire city. And of course, she was

[45:33] very open to that. So, I'm looking

[45:35] forward to it and making sure the entire

[45:37] city is [snorts] protected when it comes

[45:39] to noise and the quality of life across

[45:42] the city. So, thank you.

[45:44] >> All right. Now, I'll defend. Um, first

[45:46] of all, I think the only targeting that

[45:48] is happening is Phil spending a whole

[45:50] day targeting me, which is typically

[45:52] what happens. Um,

[45:54] >> the the actual history here, not the one

[45:58] that is the halftruths, which he

[46:00] typically does, is we met with I met

[46:04] repeatedly. First, first of all, it's

[46:07] all noise. We we uh passed a law a

[46:10] couple years ago to not allow fireworks

[46:13] to be launched from the waterfront

[46:15] because the noise was so loud and

[46:17] actually loud to the owners of Applied.

[46:19] They reached out to me um or the

[46:21] management of Applied reached out to me

[46:23] at the time. We met with I met with the

[46:27] management company of Pier 13 probably

[46:30] in April for the first time. Um, I

[46:34] talked to them on the phone multiple

[46:36] times. Um, I texted with them multiple

[46:40] times and I've been in receipt of, uh,

[46:44] complaints from residents, noise

[46:46] complaints all summer. And every time I

[46:48] received a noise complaint, I called the

[46:51] police as well. And so, I don't know if

[46:53] it was 32 times, but it was a lot. I we

[46:56] made the calls. Um, at one point they

[46:59] were trying to be a good partner. Then

[47:01] they stopped trying to be a good partner

[47:03] and I said to them like we need to find

[47:06] a solution here. I don't want to go into

[47:08] a situation where we have to look at

[47:10] other ways to do it. Um like legislative

[47:14] changes to help manage you know manage

[47:17] sound on the waterfront. But this was a

[47:19] continuing dialogue that went on for

[47:21] five or six months. Who I didn't speak

[47:23] to was the berries who are the owners

[47:26] because I didn't feel like we needed to

[47:28] elevate. we were working with uh the

[47:30] management company when they sat here

[47:31] and said that they they didn't the

[47:33] Darren the manager it was a lie and I

[47:36] have all the text messages to prove it.

[47:39] So, additionally, when we worked on

[47:42] this, it was never a noise ordinance.

[47:44] What it was was a permitting process to

[47:49] just require a permit for amplified

[47:51] sound for any kind of amplified sound

[47:52] whether it's Pure 13, whether it was

[47:54] anyone else, whether it is a nonprofit

[47:57] forprofit, whatever it is, from Maxwell

[48:00] all the way up to uh what will be um

[48:03] Cove Park. It was never meant to be an

[48:05] or noise ordinance. Um it involved input

[48:08] from the police department. It involved

[48:10] input from police officers. It was

[48:12] reviewed by our prior corporation

[48:15] council who said she was okay with it.

[48:18] was a It was reviewed by our

[48:20] assistant business administrator who

[48:22] helped draft it. There was weeks that

[48:24] went into this. And when it went on the

[48:28] agenda, it had all of that in there. And

[48:32] what what happened though is when they

[48:34] put the par like where it sits in our

[48:36] ordinance, they decided to put it into

[48:38] the Nor's ordinance. It wasn't supposed

[48:40] to be there. it was supposed to be in a

[48:41] totally different section. There's

[48:43] implications of that which is the D

[48:46] controls the noise ordinance. So

[48:48] suddenly we had this whole conversation

[48:50] um at the the second reading on

[48:53] something new that I wasn't even aware

[48:55] that was in uh the noise ordinance and

[48:57] we had a council member that repeatedly

[48:59] said over and over and over the

[49:01] narrative that the that applied might

[49:04] use against us that we were targeting

[49:06] them. We weren't targeting them. This is

[49:07] a continuing dialogue. So,

[49:10] as a result of getting the feedback, we

[49:14] [clears throat] did decide to pull it. I

[49:15] voted yes last time. I'll vote yes

[49:17] tonight. Nothing controversy. We're just

[49:19] going to work on a different path. One

[49:21] thing I will say is the the reference to

[49:25] 32. As uh director Franti who just left

[49:28] knows,

[49:29] it's not 32. It's a much larger number.

[49:33] I don't have all the numbers in front of

[49:34] me. And what it ends up representing for

[49:37] every Friday and Saturday night in the

[49:39] city of Hoboken during the the months

[49:41] that they're open, one out of every five

[49:44] noise complaints in the city is Pier 13.

[49:48] So it's not 30. It might be 32 out of

[49:52] 1,400 for the year, but these guys are

[49:54] only op they only operate, you know,

[49:57] from May until October. And really their

[50:00] huge noise are the party nights which

[50:02] are on the weekends. So when you go into

[50:03] those, literally one out of every five.

[50:06] So I do my work. I do the detailed work.

[50:08] I do all the background. I do

[50:10] everything. I talk with people all the

[50:13] time. I brought in input from the

[50:15] administration. We got approval from

[50:17] council. We came here and Councilman

[50:20] Cohen, who always targets me, so be on

[50:23] the lookout, came [snorts] and said,

[50:25] "How can I possibly possibly make this

[50:28] difficult?" And and tonight all he wants

[50:30] to do is say I'm a terrible person.

[50:32] That's who Councilman Cohen is, right?

[50:35] That's who he is. So anyway, we're

[50:37] voting yes tonight. It's fine. Since

[50:39] then, as I mentioned, we met Monday. The

[50:42] mayor set up a meeting with Applied to

[50:45] sit at the table. I was invited to it.

[50:47] We had a 45minute conversation on what

[50:49] we can do together in preparation for

[50:52] next year. And

[50:54] uh our BA was there. You were there,

[50:56] right?

[50:56] >> On the phone.

[50:56] That's right. But you've

[50:58] already reached out to the D, right? you

[51:00] guys have reached out to the D and we're

[51:03] having the dialogue on what we can do in

[51:05] advance of next summer or maybe you did

[51:07] >> one either either our corporation

[51:09] council VA someone did so we're working

[51:11] on it anyway that's it it's annoying

[51:13] that I even have to walk through all of

[51:15] this purely because someone spent all

[51:17] day coming up with a narrative to just

[51:19] come and like say bad things about me so

[51:22] it's fine I'm always happy to you know

[51:25] correct the record and give the truth

[51:28] >> call vote a lot of

[51:30] >> Mr. Tone.

[51:31] >> Hi.

[51:31] >> Firestone.

[51:32] >> Yes.

[51:33] >> Fisher.

[51:34] >> Yes.

[51:34] >> Mrs. Irish.

[51:35] >> Yes.

[51:36] >> Leon.

[51:36] >> Yes.

[51:37] >> Mr. Presidento.

[51:38] >> Hi.

[51:39] >> Cano.

[51:40] >> Hi.

[51:40] >> Mr. Russo.

[51:41] >> Can I explain the history one more time?

[51:43] >> Yeah.

[51:44] >> We didn't get it. We didn't get it all.

[51:46] [laughter]

[51:48] >> President Ramos.

[51:49] >> Hi. Those a lot of words for a yes.

[51:51] >> We're up to the consent agenda.

[51:56] » Public.

[51:57] >> No, you have to public.

[51:59] >> Public. Yeah. Uh

[52:03] relax. Uh Manuel Rivera Solair Pat just

[52:07] left the room.

[52:09] >> She left the room.

[52:14] » Sure. I'll go first. [clears throat] C

[52:16] president man six word resident. Uh C

[52:20] president again this is my consent

[52:21] agenda. This is where all pencils go up.

[52:24] I'm seeing I'm making sure. Just

[52:26] kidding. Just kidding. You you had to

[52:29] see the last meeting that when I lost my

[52:31] voice, you cracked jokes. So, I'm

[52:32] cracking jokes now. I even I even

[52:35] unbuttoned my first button because uh uh

[52:37] council president. Um anyway, consent

[52:39] agenda. Council President, there's a

[52:41] many things that I'm going to ask a

[52:42] question for, but before I lose your

[52:44] interest, I'm going to speak first on

[52:47] CL2 through CL5. Council President, um

[52:51] it would be again, as I always say, it

[52:54] would be a good thing if members of the

[52:57] public could understand the reasoning

[52:59] why these uh resolutions are here. Um

[53:04] the rules um of participation,

[53:07] we need to understand why it why at this

[53:10] point you're changing your rules for the

[53:14] meetings.

[53:16] Why these rules need to be implemented

[53:18] at this time? again and once again I

[53:20] just want to thank you for for um

[53:23] discussing the prior um ordinance.

[53:27] So again, can you briefly explain to

[53:30] members of the public there are three

[53:33] ordinance, pardon me, there are four

[53:34] ordinances here. What are the rule

[53:36] changes? Why you're implementing these

[53:38] rule changes? Why the order and rotating

[53:41] of uh roll call for voting? Why do you

[53:44] have to change this? Why do you need to

[53:47] have um the the first reading which of

[53:50] course I've always asked for that you

[53:52] know for you to discuss more of the

[53:55] ordinances in first reading. It's very

[53:58] important again that members of the

[53:59] public understand what is the business?

[54:01] Why is it required? Council President,

[54:04] these are just simple questions. Again,

[54:06] a caucus meeting would have been

[54:07] helpful, but alas, we don't have one.

[54:10] And again, council president, can

[54:12] members of the public get a brief, clear

[54:15] synopsis? Can the residents understand

[54:17] not only the rules that are being

[54:20] amended but why these changes are

[54:23] necessary and what particular difference

[54:26] the public should expect to see council

[54:29] president and that was those

[54:32] agenda now I'm very interested in

[54:35] knowing in consent agenda I'm going to

[54:37] go directly to infrastructure I1 I2 I5

[54:42] I7 I3 council president the one that I'm

[54:45] really interested is and I5 is why is

[54:47] that bid for the Tommy Oliviveri um

[54:51] being rejected and is there a a

[54:55] contingency uh to replace that vendor or

[54:59] whoever that was that was going to

[55:01] provide that for the um park. It's very

[55:04] important. It's a very important park.

[55:06] Many members of the public um take their

[55:09] children there and it is almost

[55:11] historic. So that would be important if

[55:14] you can let members of the public

[55:15] understand why that bid was changed.

[55:17] again in um public safety uh PS1.

[55:21] Council President, um again, I would

[55:24] like you through you to ask the the

[55:27] pardon me, I'm rushing to ask the

[55:29] council, especially council member um

[55:32] Cano if in the next opportunity that he

[55:35] may have to donate um uh safety

[55:39] equipment for other municipalities if he

[55:41] may take in consideration,

[55:44] Puerto Rico, Ekamoy, Puerto Rico. These

[55:48] um municipalities should be our system

[55:50] municipalities. Um they are loving

[55:53] coastal cities who need every every

[55:55] opportunity to have extra safety. And

[55:58] again, if you can help us understand uh

[56:00] how what's the reasoning and how does

[56:02] that work so we can apply and council

[56:05] president I see I still have time so I

[56:08] will proceed.

[56:10] um in community development, CD 1, CD2

[56:15] and community service, which I also

[56:16] think is redundant to community. Um it

[56:21] just makes no sense. Um C CS1

[56:25] and of course like I said in finance F1,

[56:29] F2, F3. Council President, that is it.

[56:31] That is what I have. I appreciate the

[56:33] attention. I hope um members of the

[56:35] public can hear some of the answers. And

[56:37] with that, I have time, so I will yield

[56:40] it back to you, sir. Thank you.

[56:42] >> Thank you. Pat Waiters.

[56:48] » Manny did most of Pat is 15 church

[56:51] towers.

[56:51] >> Manny did most of mine, but I'm going to

[56:53] take my time and go through in case he

[56:55] forgot anything. CD1,

[56:58] CD2, CD3,

[57:01] affordable housing, administrative aging

[57:04] services, an increased amount

[57:06] of

[57:08] 108,000.

[57:10] I I need answers, please, too, and

[57:12] answer these. And then the affordable

[57:15] housing trust fund, the rental assistant

[57:18] demolation, that's Michael Russo. Yeah,

[57:21] Russo and Paul. and then the release and

[57:24] information of the bond or Okay. What

[57:27] I'm concerned about is the housing

[57:29] authority.

[57:30] Where do this money go? I I got a call

[57:34] today a few people facing evictions and

[57:37] they said we going to send this

[57:38] paperwork to the city. We're going to

[57:41] send it to the city. Do this help with

[57:43] those evictions that's in the housing

[57:45] authority who

[57:46] >> with

[57:46] >> which one you talking?

[57:47] >> CD2. CD2 and CD12 is on here. See, all

[57:52] of them is Hoboken housing authority.

[57:54] One of them is for the lawyer, one of

[57:56] them is for um housing, the rental

[57:59] assistance

[58:01] cuz we got rental assistance like a CDA.

[58:04] Uh I just asked Chris too. It's funded

[58:07] by CDBG&H

[58:09] that's funded. But Mr. Reo quick to say

[58:12] federal. If this is federally funded,

[58:14] how do you get grants from the state

[58:16] asking for this money and where do it

[58:18] go?

[58:20] Where do the money go? Pat,

[58:22] >> that one's pulled specifically.

[58:24] >> Yeah, CD2 was pulled.

[58:25] >> I know it's pulled to October 21st, but

[58:28] can I please get answers before then?

[58:30] Because this is kind of fishy because

[58:32] since 2021, I got paperwork and

[58:34] documents where rents was being paid and

[58:36] it's not being allocated for. And I know

[58:39] this for a fact. So, that's what I'm

[58:41] telling the new council members. Stop

[58:43] being quick to put your name on stuff

[58:45] without doing your homework. Now with

[58:47] the park, I got real emotional with this

[58:50] Olivaria uh the the appointment I mean

[58:53] the um thing being pulled by Mr. Cohen,

[58:56] the bond being rejected. I lived right

[58:58] next door to that park and everybody in

[59:01] 1219 Willow, I hope y'all watching and

[59:03] y'all friends across the street in the

[59:05] fifth ward and make sure Phil Cohen do

[59:07] not get elected because that's

[59:10] disgusting. That whole family came out

[59:12] here for real and we when Beth Mason was

[59:14] still here, the family came out here. We

[59:16] redesigned that park and again you see

[59:19] how ugly it look when Donald Trump doing

[59:21] that too taking down statues and

[59:23] rechanging stuff. It looks horrible

[59:26] because that family came here and

[59:27] pleaded to this council and I lived

[59:30] right next door. My kids was like three

[59:31] and four. You could send them

[59:32] downstairs, open the door and go right

[59:34] in the gate to the park. So y'all just

[59:36] vote anything without even considering

[59:38] people feelings. It's disgusting. And

[59:41] then you sit up there and smile because

[59:42] it ain't impacting you.

[59:45] That was 15. No, I5 that the park

[59:50] >> and I'm not finished.

[59:54] >> The donation of the fire department. I

[59:56] mean the fire engine that Thanks Mandy

[59:58] spoke about that the transparency laws.

[1:00:02] I had to this is what I came out for.

[1:00:05] What what you going to do Paul Miss or

[1:00:08] whoever sponsoring this to improve the

[1:00:11] integrity of this town? This is long

[1:00:14] overdue. And I'mma say this and I'mma be

[1:00:16] sincere because you saying integrity,

[1:00:18] but you on here with Michael Russo, too.

[1:00:20] And I just learned today that you own a

[1:00:22] building. So just out of integrity, you

[1:00:25] shouldn't even be putting your name on

[1:00:26] here. I didn't know that, but you on

[1:00:28] here. Wait, let me finish.

[1:00:31] >> You on here. And the thing that g me the

[1:00:33] chills, I used to sit in this audience

[1:00:34] with you. And I will always say, if you

[1:00:37] get up there, what would you do? And you

[1:00:39] already showed us. Okay. So y'all get

[1:00:41] cocky once y'all move from here and be

[1:00:43] up there and take a known disregard to

[1:00:46] the people that still live here. And

[1:00:47] this is troubling. It's troubling

[1:00:50] because you going to improve the way the

[1:00:52] elections ran and the list goes on. I

[1:00:54] don't want to waste all my time.

[1:00:56] Integrity is in question in this city

[1:00:58] since Dawn Zimmer left and appointed

[1:01:00] Ravi. And all of y'all give these long

[1:01:03] stories and at the end say yes. Vote

[1:01:05] anyway. You know why? Cuz there's no

[1:01:07] transparency and y'all already cut the

[1:01:09] deal. How many years I've been saying

[1:01:10] that? I'm still seeing appointments on

[1:01:13] here, disrespecting the public. We don't

[1:01:15] know. Now, housing authority asking

[1:01:17] y'all again, every one of y'all. And I

[1:01:19] dare y'all to say no. Go down to the

[1:01:21] housing authority at election time and

[1:01:23] depend on those poor, vulnerable people,

[1:01:26] right? They ask y'all over and over why

[1:01:28] Pat Waiters is not a commissioner. WE

[1:01:31] WANT PAT WAITERS. We want Pat Waiters.

[1:01:34] BUT Y'ALL NEVER TOLD THEM THE process

[1:01:36] how you got to call a vote. 15 seconds.

[1:01:38] >> All right. You got to meet at the back

[1:01:40] door roundts to get me on that board. So

[1:01:42] with your transparency, these five

[1:01:44] things that you got on here tonight,

[1:01:46] let's see y'all go to work and really

[1:01:48] change it from the buying the votes to

[1:01:50] everything else. Seriously, cuz I'm

[1:01:52] waking my people up and we getting ready

[1:01:54] to start a movement right here in

[1:01:56] Hoboken. Stop deceiving us. This is

[1:01:59] disgusting.

[1:02:00] >> Thank you, Pat.

[1:02:01] >> And it ain't a joke, Paul. It hurts.

[1:02:04] Y'all been doing this for centuries.

[1:02:06] >> Thanks, Pat. Thank you.

[1:02:07] >> Thank you. Appreciate it. Motion to

[1:02:10] close public hearing.

[1:02:11] >> Motion.

[1:02:12] >> Second. All in favor?

[1:02:13] >> I.

[1:02:14] >> All right. We have

[1:02:16] I'll go through

[1:02:18] I5

[1:02:20] is a rejection of bids. It is not like

[1:02:23] stopping the project. Is a rejecting of

[1:02:25] bids. I think there was number.

[1:02:29] >> I think they're they're actually going

[1:02:30] to probably submit a new proposal on the

[1:02:33] next meeting.

[1:02:34] >> The work on the park is going to happen.

[1:02:36] >> Yeah. So, the Tom Olive Park is going to

[1:02:38] be repaired.

[1:02:39] >> Correct.

[1:02:41] >> She doesn't want I'm going to tell her.

[1:02:43] >> That's right. We just want the public to

[1:02:45] know. Like she said a lot of things. You

[1:02:47] want the public to know it's moving

[1:02:48] forward. We'll have a new proposal.

[1:02:49] >> The project is moving forward. Moving

[1:02:51] forward.

[1:02:52] >> The bids were much higher than

[1:02:54] anticipated. The work is much more

[1:02:56] specific than needs to be anticipated.

[1:02:57] So, there's more work that needs to be

[1:02:59] included in the bids going forward. So,

[1:03:01] that's where that's where that's going

[1:03:02] to be. So, I think the bids are going to

[1:03:04] be reissued in the very near future for

[1:03:06] I5 and that park is going to be

[1:03:08] rehabilitated. Uh PS1, that's a

[1:03:11] long-term partnership. It's going on for

[1:03:13] a number of years between uh the city of

[1:03:15] Hoboken and the town of Bokach Chica in

[1:03:18] Dominican Republic. In the past, Hoboken

[1:03:20] has also partnered up with uh Valiba in

[1:03:23] Puerto Rico for police cars. We've done

[1:03:24] in the past. So, this is I believe the

[1:03:26] third time that they're donating a fire

[1:03:28] apparatus to uh Boach Chica. And it's a

[1:03:31] process that uh they've we've gone

[1:03:33] through as a sister city of ours in

[1:03:35] Dominican Republic uh for a number of

[1:03:37] years now. Uh CD CD1 is just an increase

[1:03:42] in the administrative agency. Next year

[1:03:44] we have a number of affordable housing

[1:03:46] units coming online with all the

[1:03:48] buildings uh in town you're seeing

[1:03:50] constructed. So we have a number of

[1:03:52] units being being used for affordable

[1:03:55] housing very near future. So that is

[1:03:57] increasing the funds to make sure that waiting list and everything else is

[1:04:01] being carried out properly and those

[1:04:02] residents are being informed of where

[1:04:04] they're where they stand in the waiting

[1:04:06] list which I think we have to improve

[1:04:07] upon a little bit because the number of

[1:04:08] calls I get every week where people are

[1:04:10] on the waiting list is just

[1:04:11] astronomical. It's probably the number

[1:04:13] one thing that I get is where am I on

[1:04:15] the affordable housing waiting list?

[1:04:17] >> 20,000 on the list.

[1:04:18] >> Yeah. And so people want to know where

[1:04:19] they are and and that uh it seems to be

[1:04:22] difficult for people to find. So that

[1:04:24] should be improved upon as we move

[1:04:26] forward. Uh CD2 is the environmental

[1:04:31] review for the HHA redevelopment plan.

[1:04:33] So this is one again one step further

[1:04:35] and we're funding that through the

[1:04:36] community development block grant uh

[1:04:38] from the city that again is on the

[1:04:40] parking lot of forth and Harrison. So

[1:04:42] this is for the environmental review. So

[1:04:44] we are helping the housing authority uh

[1:04:46] with that process there. Uh

[1:04:49] PS1 that we address that one. CS1.

[1:04:55] Which one's CS1? I want to help me out

[1:04:56] on that one. I could go to

[1:05:02] » CS1.

[1:05:04] Is it CS?

[1:05:06] >> CS1.

[1:05:07] >> Oh, yeah. CS. There we go.

[1:05:09] >> It's the register.

[1:05:10] >> Oh, exist.

[1:05:11] >> That's just appoint a new appointment.

[1:05:12] Someone resigned. Someone retired, I

[1:05:14] should say. Someone retired. There's a

[1:05:16] promotion,

[1:05:18] >> right? No.

[1:05:19] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[1:05:19] >> Yes. Right. Yep. Correct. CS1 that

[1:05:22] correct that is that is accurate. So we

[1:05:24] had an individual that retired and we

[1:05:26] are promoting someone to that uh

[1:05:28] position. So that is what CS1 is and

[1:05:33] F1, F2, F3. I believe those are all tax.

[1:05:37] Oh no, sorry.

[1:05:40] >> Who's pulling one for discussion?

[1:05:42] >> Yeah, you guys got a second agenda.

[1:05:44] Councilman.

[1:05:44] >> Yeah. Yeah. No, listen. F

[1:05:48] F2 is just grants for fire for the

[1:05:50] firefighter homeland security FEMA grant

[1:05:52] FEMA assistance. Uh that's it. F3 is the GIF fund we go through every year.

[1:05:57] The health infrastructure fund and

[1:05:58] that's it. Members of the council, what

[1:05:59] are you pulling?

[1:06:01] >> I have CD4.

[1:06:03] >> CD

[1:06:03] >> CD4.

[1:06:07] I think CL2 and CL through CL5. I think

[1:06:09] people want to hear from that. We'll

[1:06:10] just pull those off.

[1:06:11] >> CL2 through CL5. Yeah.

[1:06:14] >> All four of them. Okay. I1, I2.

[1:06:17] >> I have T1, T2, and T3.

[1:06:21] >> I1, I2.

[1:06:23] >> Which one?

[1:06:23] >> I1 and I2.

[1:06:34] » Uh, which CD do we say again?

[1:06:37] >> CD4.

[1:06:40] >> Vote on consent agenda.

[1:06:41] >> Mr. Con?

[1:06:42] >> I. By Stone,

[1:06:44] >> yes. Fiser.

[1:06:45] >> Yes.

[1:06:45] >> Mr. Zyus.

[1:06:46] >> Yes.

[1:06:47] >> Glacon.

[1:06:47] >> Yes.

[1:06:48] >> President Zano.

[1:06:49] >> Hi.

[1:06:49] >> Mr. Cano.

[1:06:50] >> Hi.

[1:06:50] >> Mr. Russo.

[1:06:52] >> No. On all other pay and overtime pay.

[1:06:55] And yes on the rest.

[1:06:56] >> President Ramos.

[1:06:58] >> I.

[1:07:01] >> CD4.

[1:07:04] You said

[1:07:05] >> Yeah. CD4.

[1:07:06] >> Okay. I'll start up on that. So CD4 is

[1:07:08] just um it's an amendment of the zoning

[1:07:11] um for Willow Terrace and the purpose of

[1:07:15] this is to adopt some of the um

[1:07:19] suggestions in the master plan which is

[1:07:22] to really preserve the unique and

[1:07:25] historic quality of that specific

[1:07:27] neighborhood. Um because the

[1:07:29] neighborhood of Willow Terrace is

[1:07:30] actually situated in I believe it's the

[1:07:34] R2 district. So, the lot sizes made no

[1:07:37] sense. R1, was that R1? Thank you,

[1:07:39] Chris. Um, R1 district. So, um, there

[1:07:43] were the the basics of what's allowed

[1:07:47] didn't apply to Willow Terrace at all

[1:07:50] with regard to the lot, the lot size.

[1:07:52] That's okay. The light lot size and the

[1:07:54] lot coverage and the um the height. And

[1:07:58] so we have put restrictions in place to

[1:08:02] um sort of preserve the character of the

[1:08:04] neighborhood uh to to make adjustments

[1:08:08] such as you can only have one dwelling

[1:08:10] on one lot. You can't combine two or

[1:08:13] three if you were to acquire them and

[1:08:16] turn them into an apartment complex. Um,

[1:08:19] and it also addresses the variances that

[1:08:23] have been handed out historically, um,

[1:08:26] where the majority,

[1:08:28] I would say the majority of them are at

[1:08:30] 80% lot coverage because the lots are so

[1:08:33] small. Um, so we we really, uh, worked

[1:08:37] with the residents to um, make sure

[1:08:39] that, you know, the vast majority were

[1:08:42] on board with this. So this is adopting

[1:08:45] master plan recommendations to protect

[1:08:48] the neighborhood of Willow Terrace.

[1:08:51] >> And members of the council, call the

[1:08:53] vote.

[1:08:55] >> Thank you, Councilwoman.

[1:08:57] >> That's this one.

[1:08:59] >> CD4, Mr. Clark.

[1:09:00] >> Uh on C4, Mr. Con.

[1:09:02] >> Hi.

[1:09:03] >> Firestone.

[1:09:04] >> Yes.

[1:09:05] >> Fisher.

[1:09:05] >> Yes.

[1:09:06] >> Mrs.

[1:09:07] >> Yes.

[1:09:07] >> Mrs. Le.

[1:09:08] >> Yes.

[1:09:09] >> Mr. President.

[1:09:10] >> Hi.

[1:09:10] >> Mr. Cano.

[1:09:11] >> Hi.

[1:09:12] >> Mr. Russo. I

[1:09:14] >> President Ramos.

[1:09:15] >> I Let's do T1, T2, T3. Who is

[1:09:19] >> Thank you, Council President. Couso.

[1:09:21] >> Uh, director, if you don't mind,

[1:09:29] » if you could just go over T1 and just

[1:09:31] explain exactly what it is.

[1:09:33] >> Is T1 Adam Street?

[1:09:35] >> Yeah. Yeah. So, this is a a request to

[1:09:39] have a six-month extension for the

[1:09:40] municipal aid program. So, we have to do

[1:09:43] a formal resolution in order to get that

[1:09:45] granted by NJ DOT.

[1:09:47] >> Okay.

[1:09:47] >> That's all it is.

[1:09:48] >> And and how is that related now to uh

[1:09:52] the potential work going on there and

[1:09:54] the uh survey that was put out uh to the

[1:09:57] public on what work we're trying to

[1:10:00] accomplish.

[1:10:01] >> The only relation there is it gives us

[1:10:03] more time to get the public feedback and

[1:10:05] to work with the council to finish the process. where I was going, what's

[1:10:10] the next step for public feedback as far

[1:10:14] as uh we have the survey that's out. Uh

[1:10:17] we anticipate getting that information.

[1:10:19] Once we get that information, I'm

[1:10:21] assuming that the raw data is going to

[1:10:23] be uh given to the entire council. Uh

[1:10:26] what's the next step after that? Are we

[1:10:27] doing community meetings in the

[1:10:28] neighborhood? I believe there's one

[1:10:31] meeting uh scoped through Ingenuity's

[1:10:34] contract

[1:10:36] and then from there it'd be proceeding

[1:10:38] with with final finalizing design.

[1:10:41] >> And will that meeting be in the

[1:10:43] neighborhood or is that going to be a

[1:10:45] meeting that's going to be held prior to

[1:10:47] a council meeting up here in city hall?

[1:10:50] >> Uh I want to try to make it as

[1:10:51] convenient as possible for the residents

[1:10:53] on Adam Street.

[1:10:55] I'd like to do it

[1:10:56] >> or even or even OG

[1:10:58] >> org multiour is on atoms.

[1:11:01] >> Yeah.

[1:11:01] >> Oh, that's true. That's true.

[1:11:03] >> So, so we'll be so will be there. Okay.

[1:11:05] That's that's all I had on T1. Uh if I

[1:11:08] could ask questions on T2.

[1:11:09] >> Can I let Well, I have questions on T1.

[1:11:12] Is the the mutual aid application. Was

[1:11:15] there a street design attached to it? So

[1:11:18] that Okay. No street design.

[1:11:20] >> No.

[1:11:20] >> All right.

[1:11:20] >> It's purely the local aid funding

[1:11:22] program.

[1:11:23] >> Okay. and it's for roadway preservation

[1:11:26] and complete streets improvements and

[1:11:27] things like that.

[1:11:28] >> Got it.

[1:11:28] >> Then we hired Ingenuity to do the

[1:11:30] design. We haven't come there yet.

[1:11:31] >> That's why we're doing the extension.

[1:11:32] >> Yeah.

[1:11:33] >> T2.

[1:11:34] Yeah. Um and we talked about this

[1:11:37] real briefly when we when we spoke on

[1:11:38] the phone. Um

[1:11:41] >> just give me a little background as to

[1:11:43] what we're doing there, what the what

[1:11:45] this looks like as far as renting those

[1:11:47] spaces.

[1:11:49] Uh so sorry T2 is the the license

[1:11:51] agreement. The

[1:11:52] >> office spaces on I'm sorry you don't

[1:11:54] have the agenda in front of you. Yes the office of the uh garage.

[1:11:59] >> Yeah. So uh we have Epic who is the

[1:12:01] contractor for the Midtown garage

[1:12:03] rehabilitation project. Uh they need

[1:12:06] space for their own operations for the

[1:12:08] duration of the project which is

[1:12:09] approximately 3 years. And uh we have

[1:12:13] office space at Midtown that is

[1:12:14] available and this would be a license

[1:12:16] agreement that would allow them to use

[1:12:18] some of that space for the duration of

[1:12:20] the project. Uh there are c certain

[1:12:22] terms in there that include requiring

[1:12:25] them to do certain improvements to the

[1:12:26] office spaces which is needed. Uh there

[1:12:29] were some pipes that burst there uh

[1:12:32] early in the winter I believe back in

[1:12:33] January. And so they have gone in there

[1:12:35] already and started to clean up the

[1:12:37] area. uh this is tens of thousands of

[1:12:39] dollars of improvements that they're

[1:12:41] committing to investing in and uh that's

[1:12:44] basically the gist of it.

[1:12:45] >> Yeah. So, and I appreciate that we're

[1:12:48] going to start utilizing some of that

[1:12:49] space. um

[1:12:51] >> yeah for more activity.

[1:12:52] >> There's a there's a massive concern

[1:12:55] throughout the city when it comes to our

[1:12:57] education system and space

[1:13:01] and we are working very hard to figure

[1:13:03] out what the long-term solution is but

[1:13:07] we're not really discussing the

[1:13:08] short-term solution and the middle

[1:13:11] school looks like it's going to be

[1:13:14] just bursting at the seams very soon.

[1:13:17] So, I've been thinking about this a lot

[1:13:19] about how the city can be helpful to the

[1:13:22] board of education.

[1:13:24] We have right down the block from the

[1:13:26] middle school, we have Calabro School.

[1:13:27] And right now, the administration's

[1:13:30] offices mostly are in that building.

[1:13:33] There's also some uh pre-k classes in

[1:13:35] there as well, but I'd like to really

[1:13:38] explore

[1:13:40] allowing the schools to move

[1:13:43] administration offices to city- owned

[1:13:46] properties. And this is actually one of

[1:13:48] those properties that I think might be

[1:13:50] able to work so that into the future in

[1:13:53] a short term, we might be able to

[1:13:55] utilize Calabro School for our middle

[1:13:58] school as well. so that they'll almost

[1:14:00] have like a dual campus where it's our

[1:14:02] current middle school and then using

[1:14:03] Calabro school. In addition to this

[1:14:05] space, I'd also like to start exploring

[1:14:09] the spaces that the library through the

[1:14:12] city of Hoboken board next door to our

[1:14:14] original library. Those are being

[1:14:17] renovated there. Again, those are more

[1:14:19] office type spaces. So, I I'd like to

[1:14:22] start having these types of

[1:14:23] conversations. So, I don't have a

[1:14:26] problem using some of the space for the

[1:14:29] project and for staging and whatever

[1:14:31] else they need to do, but the remainder

[1:14:33] of that space, I'd like to explore those

[1:14:36] options with the school system first

[1:14:39] before we move to lease any of that

[1:14:41] other space because I think that could

[1:14:43] be a very significant short-term

[1:14:46] solution for our schools to allow the

[1:14:49] administrative role, the offices in in

[1:14:51] the school system to move out of Calabro

[1:14:53] and then potentially use that space for

[1:14:55] classroom space. So, I I although I

[1:14:59] appreciate what you're doing, I think we

[1:15:01] need to start looking at this from just

[1:15:03] a grand scale and the city should try to

[1:15:06] be helpful wherever it can. So, hold on

[1:15:10] any other space being rented at least

[1:15:12] until we can have some of those

[1:15:13] conversations.

[1:15:14] >> All right. I appreciate that. And then

[1:15:16] T3 director, I don't it's not really for

[1:15:18] you. It's really just a comment about

[1:15:21] noise waiverss, right? in I don't think

[1:15:25] one has come before the council that we

[1:15:27] didn't vote on, right? I think may maybe

[1:15:29] one, maybe two.

[1:15:31] And every time we're doing these noise

[1:15:33] waivers, we're telling whatever

[1:15:36] contractor it may be, whatever works

[1:15:37] being done that they can't do a lot of

[1:15:41] noisy work prior to a certain hour. I

[1:15:44] think it's time we just change it. I

[1:15:47] really do. I think we we just allow

[1:15:49] internal work for certain hours and then

[1:15:52] that loud external work for certain

[1:15:54] hours because honestly these come before

[1:15:57] us. I mean there's a few of them on the

[1:15:58] agenda tonight. They just come before us

[1:16:00] all the time. I think it's something we

[1:16:02] should explore in committee to see if we

[1:16:04] could just tweak what our law says and

[1:16:06] then we don't have to always vote on the

[1:16:07] waiver for this internal work that is

[1:16:12] not really producing much much noise. So

[1:16:14] just a a point that I wanted to make

[1:16:17] there. And that's all I had and we could

[1:16:18] vote on uh each of them individually.

[1:16:21] >> Individually or together?

[1:16:22] >> Yeah, individually, please.

[1:16:23] >> Two two T2.

[1:16:28] » Uh

[1:16:28] >> we vote on We vote on

[1:16:29] >> We didn't vote.

[1:16:30] on any of them.

[1:16:32] >> T1. I'm sorry. T1. I apologize.

[1:16:36] >> Mr. Con. I

[1:16:38] >> Yes.

[1:16:39] >> Fisher.

[1:16:39] >> Yes.

[1:16:40] >> Mrs. Yes.

[1:16:41] >> Mrs. Le.

[1:16:42] >> Yes. President Dano.

[1:16:44] >> Hi,

[1:16:44] >> Mr. Canero.

[1:16:45] >> Hi,

[1:16:45] >> Mr. Russo.

[1:16:46] >> Hi,

[1:16:47] >> President Ramos.

[1:16:48] >> Hi. T2.

[1:16:52] » T2. Mr. Con.

[1:16:54] >> Hi,

[1:16:54] >> Firestone.

[1:16:55] >> Yes.

[1:16:55] >> Fisher.

[1:16:56] >> Yes.

[1:16:56] >> Mrs. Syus.

[1:16:57] >> Yes.

[1:16:59] >> President.

[1:17:00] >> Hi,

[1:17:00] >> Mr. Cano.

[1:17:01] >> Hi,

[1:17:02] >> Mr. Russo.

[1:17:03] >> Hi,

[1:17:04] >> President Ramos.

[1:17:05] >> Hi, T3.

[1:17:06] >> B3. Mr. Con.

[1:17:08] >> Hi,

[1:17:09] >> Firestone.

[1:17:10] >> Yes.

[1:17:10] >> Fisher.

[1:17:11] >> Yes.

[1:17:11] >> Mrs. Yes,

[1:17:12] >> Mrs. Le.

[1:17:13] >> Yes.

[1:17:14] >> President Zano.

[1:17:15] >> Hi,

[1:17:15] >> Mr. Cano.

[1:17:16] >> Hi,

[1:17:16] >> Mr. Russo.

[1:17:17] >> Hi,

[1:17:17] >> President Ramos.

[1:17:18] >> Hi,

[1:17:21] » I

[1:17:24] won.

[1:17:25] >> Council President Zano,

[1:17:34] » this is by the bond, correct me if I'm

[1:17:36] wrong, that you guys voted for last

[1:17:38] week. Is that correct?

[1:17:39] >> I believe so.

[1:17:42] This is a $350,000

[1:17:44] uh western waste collection truck.

[1:17:46] >> Yes,

[1:17:48] >> that is correct.

[1:17:49] >> All right. It's electric or gas.

[1:17:52] >> Diesel.

[1:17:55] >> Okay. That's going to cost him some gas.

[1:17:57] Uh and then I guess we get two as well.

[1:17:59] I'll do it because two by

[1:18:02] >> uh Council President, if I can ask for

[1:18:04] two as well. It's kind of the same

[1:18:05] thing.

[1:18:05] >> Yeah. I Yeah.

[1:18:06] >> All right. And this is 300,000 for

[1:18:08] another truck. What are the difference

[1:18:10] between the twos? The two. One's a rear

[1:18:12] load refuge body. Is that a like

[1:18:15] >> chassis, one?

[1:18:17] >> One is the chassis, one's the body.

[1:18:19] >> Together they make one truck.

[1:18:21] >> It's two parts.

[1:18:22] >> Together they're one truck.

[1:18:23] >> Do you come up RJ?

[1:18:24] >> Okay. So, that that was my question. Why do we have part of a So, if we would

[1:18:29] have passed I1, not have passed I2, we

[1:18:32] wouldn't got a second part of the truck.

[1:18:33] That's why I was confused.

[1:18:34] >> That is true.

[1:18:35] >> So, I I just

[1:18:37] >> They already packaged you. Okay. So, for

[1:18:39] future I'm just and not a knock, but I

[1:18:41] was when I read it, I wanted to make

[1:18:43] sure because I said to myself, how are

[1:18:45] we going to if one got voted down, then

[1:18:47] we're just getting a truck?

[1:18:49] >> Correct me if I'm wrong. Or is this

[1:18:50] because of how it works that you had to

[1:18:52] do?

[1:18:52] >> It's the it's the contract mechanism for

[1:18:54] the actual procurement, but you can

[1:18:57] context here. So, there are two

[1:18:58] different vendors. One is Hudson County

[1:19:00] Motors, which purchases the chassis

[1:19:01] itself, and then sanitation equipment is

[1:19:03] for the rear loader. So, there are two

[1:19:05] different vendors that specialize in

[1:19:06] different equipment. One is for the

[1:19:08] actual vehicle and one is for the the loader that goes onto it. So it's

[1:19:12] also under two different cooperative

[1:19:13] purchasing contracts. So we would not be

[1:19:15] able to go to one vendor to purchase an

[1:19:17] entire garbage truck.

[1:19:18] >> You could see my question though, right?

[1:19:20] Like

[1:19:20] >> cuz if one didn't go, two's not like and

[1:19:23] we get two. We have a chassis or we have

[1:19:25] a back.

[1:19:25] >> That's also why we put a very detailed

[1:19:27] memo in the packet.

[1:19:28] >> Yeah. I I mean that's why I was just

[1:19:29] like but I was just asking. Yeah.

[1:19:32] >> Just asking. Yeah. You together?

[1:19:34] >> Yeah, it's fine. I1 and I2 together.

[1:19:38] >> Mr. Con.

[1:19:39] >> Hi.

[1:19:39] >> Firestone.

[1:19:40] >> Yes.

[1:19:40] >> Fisher.

[1:19:41] >> Yes.

[1:19:41] >> Mrs. Zyus. Yes.

[1:19:43] >> Mrs. Le.

[1:19:43] >> Yes.

[1:19:44] >> President. No.

[1:19:45] >> Mr. Cano.

[1:19:46] >> Hi.

[1:19:47] >> Mr. Russo.

[1:19:48] >> No.

[1:19:50] >> President Ramos.

[1:19:51] >> Hi.

[1:19:52] >> President. No.

[1:19:53] >> No. Okay.

[1:19:54] >> Uh, CL2. Council Fisher. Right.

[1:19:57] >> Do you want me to just do all of them?

[1:20:00] >> One at a time.

[1:20:01] >> Okay. You don't want me to just describe

[1:20:03] all of them and then we can vote

[1:20:04] individually.

[1:20:05] >> All right. So, um we

[1:20:09] >> we have we always have a lot of

[1:20:10] conversations about um

[1:20:15] in recently, you know, we uh we had

[1:20:18] caucuses, then we moved them during the

[1:20:20] summer, then we got rid of them. We have

[1:20:23] new members that um and old members that

[1:20:27] have asked for

[1:20:29] uh ways to have more conversation on

[1:20:33] more things. We have a committee system

[1:20:35] where we often will have on really major

[1:20:39] issues um

[1:20:42] you know a major issue will sit in a

[1:20:44] committee and only four committee me

[1:20:45] council members will have like the

[1:20:48] detailed under the detailed discussion

[1:20:50] of it. So what we tried to do is um what

[1:20:55] governs our city council meetings and

[1:20:58] our agendas and our committees is what

[1:21:00] we call the council rules. So we put in

[1:21:03] what we we originally proposed six

[1:21:05] different resolutions and the reason why

[1:21:07] we did them separately is because some

[1:21:10] of my colleagues may like some of them,

[1:21:12] they may not like some of them um and it

[1:21:15] allows people to vote on them

[1:21:16] individually. I think if we put them

[1:21:19] together as a big package um we would

[1:21:22] have been less successful on uh putting

[1:21:25] these in. So um CL2 is let me just

[1:21:29] remind myself um so CL2 is literally

[1:21:33] just a cleanup um of the council rules.

[1:21:36] It does two main things. One or it does

[1:21:39] three things. One is it changes like the

[1:21:43] Roman numerals from the Roman era to

[1:21:45] regular numbers. Um, two, it actually

[1:21:49] asks to be put on the website as text,

[1:21:52] readable text, which currently it's not.

[1:21:54] It's like a PDF that you have to like

[1:21:56] get to. And three, it just updates it

[1:21:59] for all the changes that have been made.

[1:22:01] An old version is sitting on the city

[1:22:03] council meeting. So, that's all

[1:22:04] literally that's all it does. There's no

[1:22:06] policy change or anything. Do you want

[1:22:09] to vote or do you want me to go to the

[1:22:10] next ones?

[1:22:11] >> Uh, let's call a vote. Anyone question?

[1:22:14] >> Yeah, I I actually do have a question.

[1:22:16] Besides the fact that I went to school

[1:22:17] such such a long time ago that I only

[1:22:19] know Roman numerals. So now I'm

[1:22:21] >> I said the same thing like I I wasted my

[1:22:23] purpose of learning Roman numerals.

[1:22:24] >> Come on. You now we're gonna have outlaw

[1:22:26] abacuses. Okay. Great. Thank you. Um

[1:22:29] >> administrative question. Is it premature

[1:22:31] to vote on this? Because if some of the

[1:22:33] other rules pass then we'll have to

[1:22:37] physically update

[1:22:38] >> Yeah. thing again. Just

[1:22:39] administratively. I'm not against

[1:22:41] changes. Administratively, what I did

[1:22:43] was just made each one separately. So,

[1:22:45] this is the cleanup one. If no one wants

[1:22:47] to vote on any of the others, this just

[1:22:50] cleans it up and puts it on the website

[1:22:52] and then we pass another one, then it

[1:22:53] just gets inserted into

[1:22:54] >> Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. I hope at the

[1:22:57] very least everyone at least passes CL2.

[1:22:59] I mean, I want everyone to pass the

[1:23:00] rest, but

[1:23:02] >> um CL2 vote.

[1:23:05] >> Mr. Con,

[1:23:06] >> I.

[1:23:07] >> Miss Fiser,

[1:23:08] >> yes.

[1:23:09] >> Mrs. Zish,

[1:23:10] >> yes.

[1:23:12] >> President.

[1:23:13] >> Hi,

[1:23:14] >> Mr. Cano.

[1:23:15] >> Hi,

[1:23:15] >> Mr. Russo.

[1:23:16] >> Hi,

[1:23:17] >> President Ramos.

[1:23:18] >> Hi.

[1:23:18] >> Firestone. Yes.

[1:23:20] >> Forgot about Firestone.

[1:23:21] >> Firestone. Yes. [laughter]

[1:23:24] » That's why CL3 is a bad idea.

[1:23:26] >> Okay.

[1:23:27] >> Does that count for two votes?

[1:23:29] >> C CL3. Um CL3. Again, this is actually

[1:23:34] something that we've talked about kind

[1:23:35] of on and off over the years. We just

[1:23:37] never really done anything about. Um,

[1:23:39] and what it does is it would every

[1:23:43] meeting it would change the order of

[1:23:45] voting and it would just move it by one.

[1:23:48] So right now, and it'll always stay

[1:23:50] alphabetical, but like right now, um,

[1:23:53] Councilman Cohen always verse votes

[1:23:55] first. Councilman Russo always votes

[1:23:58] second to last. Always. And there's both

[1:24:01] benefits and challenges being the first

[1:24:03] vote and benefits and challenges of

[1:24:05] being the last vote. more benefits than

[1:24:07] challenges being the last vote. And what

[1:24:11] rotating does is allows everyone to have

[1:24:16] to to basically vote and sometimes

[1:24:20] benefit from hearing all of your

[1:24:22] colleagues and what they're going to say

[1:24:24] before you vote and how they're going to

[1:24:25] vote or being in the hot seat and voting

[1:24:28] first before you know how all of

[1:24:30] everyone else is going to vote. And so

[1:24:32] this from a transparency it it gives

[1:24:36] more transparency to the public on how

[1:24:38] what council members views are on

[1:24:41] issues. Um and that is the purpose of

[1:24:44] it.

[1:24:45] >> Any members of council want to address

[1:24:46] that?

[1:24:47] >> Yeah. Uh yeah, I don't so look I I mean

[1:24:52] um I I often say like shouldn't make

[1:24:55] decisions on these votes at the last

[1:24:56] minute, but I think I have here based on

[1:24:58] just surveying kind of colleagues and staff. Um I wonder if like we're

[1:25:03] getting a little too cute sometimes. So

[1:25:06] I had indicated to folks in one end or

[1:25:08] the other. So I'm always an advocate if

[1:25:10] I'm going to kind of switch positions to

[1:25:11] explain why think we might be getting a

[1:25:13] little too cute here. So I'm I'm not

[1:25:14] going to support this one.

[1:25:15] >> Yeah. which is funny because he told me

[1:25:17] he was last week

[1:25:19] >> which is why I explained my

[1:25:20] >> Okay. Call vote.

[1:25:23] >> Mr. Con?

[1:25:24] >> No.

[1:25:26] >> Mr. Fly Stone.

[1:25:27] >> No.

[1:25:28] >> Fisher.

[1:25:29] >> Yes.

[1:25:29] >> Oh, wait a minute. I got it.

[1:25:34] >> Miss Mrs.

[1:25:36] >> Yes.

[1:25:36] >> Excuse me.

[1:25:38] >> Yes.

[1:25:40] >> Mrs. Le.

[1:25:41] >> No.

[1:25:42] >> Mr. Presidento.

[1:25:43] >> Yes.

[1:25:43] >> I I Cano. No,

[1:25:47] >> Mr. Russo.

[1:25:48] >> I like won't last. No. [laughter]

[1:25:51] >> All right.

[1:25:54] >> Okay.

[1:25:55] >> Life won't last.

[1:25:56] >> Number four.

[1:25:58] >> So, CL4,

[1:26:00] do you have to read them or do does he

[1:26:01] have to read them?

[1:26:02] >> Do they

[1:26:03] >> Does he have to read them?

[1:26:05] >> Uh, no. You go. You

[1:26:07] >> CL4 is um

[1:26:10] is doing two things. one is

[1:26:15] uh allowing a discussion on first

[1:26:18] readings. We often, you know, first

[1:26:21] readings are at the end of the agenda.

[1:26:23] They're law changes and law changes and

[1:26:26] this gets to the um this gets to the

[1:26:29] heart of what I said initially, which is

[1:26:32] often we will have a law change. Like

[1:26:35] right now, there's a bunch of ordinances

[1:26:36] on here that are literally law changes

[1:26:38] that only four council members will have

[1:26:41] seen before they are introduced with no

[1:26:44] discussion. And so the discussion

[1:26:46] happens between first and second or at

[1:26:49] the second reading. And and by then

[1:26:52] either the votes are already in for it

[1:26:54] or if we want to make a change that is

[1:26:57] an important change um we would have to

[1:27:00] go back to first reading and delay like

[1:27:02] the process. Um and and also too, we've

[1:27:05] never really let the public kind of hear

[1:27:08] our discussion around first readings. Um

[1:27:12] we were having that during the caucus,

[1:27:13] which was great. And this allows, you

[1:27:16] know, more of an open conversation be

[1:27:19] before simultaneously with the

[1:27:21] introduction of the laws. The second

[1:27:23] thing it does is it just moves the first

[1:27:26] readings up to after second readings um

[1:27:29] at the top of the meeting. So, what that

[1:27:32] would look like from a meeting

[1:27:33] standpoint is the city council would be

[1:27:36] considering all law changes right at the

[1:27:39] front. And those are the ones that

[1:27:40] impact our community most significantly.

[1:27:44] Any given resolution is just basically

[1:27:46] how we're spending money and and

[1:27:48] administering

[1:27:50] um the operations of the city. But law

[1:27:52] changes are things that impact people.

[1:27:53] So, it just puts it up at the front and

[1:27:55] allows a council conversation um around

[1:27:58] them. members of council.

[1:28:01] >> Uh just a quick question on procedure.

[1:28:03] Um would the public speak to the first

[1:28:07] reading ordinances or I don't think so

[1:28:09] or no.

[1:28:10] >> So based on the order it looked like we

[1:28:12] would speak public would speak on second

[1:28:14] reading ordinances. We would speak

[1:28:16] >> we would go to you have an opportunity

[1:28:18] to speak on each one. We wouldn't I I

[1:28:22] mean I think it's I think it's

[1:28:23] contemplated not to have like

[1:28:26] >> I I think it's contemplated to have it

[1:28:28] be just an agenda item. So if someone

[1:28:30] wants to come in and speak on a first

[1:28:31] reading, it's not like we would have

[1:28:33] second read, you know, second readings

[1:28:35] we have a separate hearing for each one.

[1:28:37] These are just like resolutions and that

[1:28:39] they're being introduced and we we may

[1:28:42] not talk on any of them because they may

[1:28:44] be one, you know, like when we have

[1:28:45] ordinances for a new loading zone, we

[1:28:48] don't really talk about those, you know,

[1:28:50] unless it's like a controversial one,

[1:28:52] right? So, you anticipate that the

[1:28:54] majority of our ordinances are often the

[1:28:57] prefuncter ones, but the ones that are

[1:28:59] more meaningful, um, if it's just an

[1:29:01] agenda item, the public should be able

[1:29:03] to say, "Hey,

[1:29:04] >> the the current rules don't preclude us

[1:29:06] from asking questions like after, uh,

[1:29:09] it's introduced during the meeting." Uh,

[1:29:12] or doesn't preclude a member of the

[1:29:13] public from asking a question at public

[1:29:15] portion either. So, we could still ask

[1:29:17] questions. Just this just goes in the

[1:29:19] front. know I mean

[1:29:20] >> I like the way it is currently but if

[1:29:22] members of the council want to change it

[1:29:24] that's

[1:29:24] >> I just think I think for me and the

[1:29:26] reason why we looked at this was these

[1:29:30] are law changes and a lot of times

[1:29:32] because our we don't give committee

[1:29:33] reports up here all the time and we

[1:29:35] sometimes we have to call each other to

[1:29:37] find out what happened in a meeting

[1:29:38] sometimes because there's only four of

[1:29:39] us in there that we really only get one

[1:29:42] time to really be together to to discuss

[1:29:45] it is at second reading and where it's

[1:29:47] already there and if there's a problem

[1:29:48] on second reading then we have to push

[1:29:50] it back to first reading again and go

[1:29:51] back again. Here, if we have a

[1:29:54] discussion the first time, we now have

[1:29:56] some questions that are kind of out in

[1:29:57] the public realm or to the

[1:29:58] administration and that we can address

[1:30:00] and then therefore it speeds up the

[1:30:02] process that something could happen or

[1:30:03] slows it down. One of the two because it

[1:30:04] may not even it could not pass

[1:30:06] potentially. There's a lot of times when

[1:30:08] I you hear a lot of us say yes, I'm

[1:30:10] first reading, right? It means we have

[1:30:12] massive questions on it and we're not

[1:30:14] sure. Well, this would give you a chance

[1:30:15] to ask those questions first, but it

[1:30:17] allows us because the sunshine law is

[1:30:18] almost two bites at the apple. What

[1:30:20] essentially the caucus was supposed to

[1:30:21] do, but what we've done is basically

[1:30:24] made a mini caucus for the first

[1:30:25] readings so that for law changes so that

[1:30:28] the public knows.

[1:30:29] >> Well, in that case,

[1:30:30] >> if I could just if I could just jump in,

[1:30:33] one of my concerns is

[1:30:36] >> I mean, and I've said this a thousand

[1:30:38] times, right? like when when we're

[1:30:39] having conversations about anything,

[1:30:41] even resolutions,

[1:30:43] >> we're going to then need to require that

[1:30:46] all of our directors are here

[1:30:48] throughout, right? And I don't have a

[1:30:50] problem doing that, but I think we need

[1:30:52] to make sure that the administration

[1:30:53] doesn't have a problem doing that

[1:30:55] because if if I have a question on

[1:30:57] whatever it is and it's second reading,

[1:31:00] I think the directors are

[1:31:02] >> at least more prepared for questions

[1:31:05] because they know we're asking them. So

[1:31:09] only thing for me would be let's just

[1:31:11] get an okay from the administration that

[1:31:13] they're going to make sure that the

[1:31:15] directors prepared to answer all those

[1:31:18] questions on that first reading because

[1:31:19] I don't I don't know necessarily know

[1:31:21] they are.

[1:31:21] >> But they're moving to the front. They're

[1:31:23] moving to the front so they wouldn't

[1:31:24] stay as late.

[1:31:25] >> No, he's asking just in general, right?

[1:31:27] >> Just in general. Right. Like so for

[1:31:29] example, if there was a first read if

[1:31:30] there's one first reading for parking

[1:31:32] but there was really nothing else in

[1:31:34] second reading. parking director might

[1:31:36] not be here,

[1:31:37] >> but I I think the director I mean we

[1:31:40] have a business administrator who

[1:31:42] generally knows the answer to 99%

[1:31:47] of the questions usually. I hope it's

[1:31:49] 99.

[1:31:51] Yeah. And I And I know this sounds

[1:31:53] terrible, but this is

[1:31:56] the transparency

[1:31:58] is really about public transparency and our ability to be informed

[1:32:06] in advance of law changes, right? And if

[1:32:11] it means that we have to have a director

[1:32:14] stay later or maybe our business

[1:32:16] administrator just you know we ask the

[1:32:18] questions or do we work do whatever we

[1:32:20] can to be helpful I would still think

[1:32:22] that the majority of the people that she

[1:32:26] has the corporation council and her have

[1:32:28] the ability to answer and actually Diana

[1:32:30] who's usually here as well who's our

[1:32:32] assistant business administrator that we

[1:32:33] have a lot of that support um in the

[1:32:35] room. Yeah, just to uh just to say um

[1:32:38] one I I like the idea of moving the laws

[1:32:40] all up because that is the meat and

[1:32:42] potatoes of what we're doing here. So I

[1:32:44] appreciate that and I think Paul you

[1:32:45] summarize it well that it's going to

[1:32:47] marrying it's like a mini caucus

[1:32:48] situation. So uh generally I like it and

[1:32:51] again what we've shown if it gets

[1:32:53] unwieldy or it's not as we intended we

[1:32:55] can change it.

[1:32:56] >> Yep. I just wanted to um just add on to

[1:32:59] that like in terms of the public

[1:33:01] speaking on the first readings if it's

[1:33:04] left towards the end with the questions

[1:33:06] wouldn't that basically be the same

[1:33:08] because you know we've had second

[1:33:10] readings I'm thinking of the bird glass

[1:33:12] right where we had I don't know 25 30

[1:33:15] people come up to speak and I don't know

[1:33:18] that we can sit through if if something

[1:33:22] is you know controversial on step one on first reading. So maybe that's just

[1:33:27] limited to conversation with you know

[1:33:30] the ability to speak at the end which

[1:33:31] they're able to do anyway right is that

[1:33:33] what you were saying council

[1:33:36] >> correct okay it is going to

[1:33:39] >> I don't I don't think there's been any

[1:33:41] time when something's introduced in

[1:33:43] first reading where no member of council

[1:33:45] by the time the second vote came for but

[1:33:46] they had information I don't think we've

[1:33:49] ever in my experience lacked for

[1:33:51] information when a vote happening in

[1:33:52] second reading was going out even it was

[1:33:53] a contentious issue if I knew nothing

[1:33:55] about the issue beforehand, right? How

[1:33:57] many voted in a second reading? We

[1:33:58] pretty much we all pretty much know what

[1:34:00] it is. We still have questions about it.

[1:34:02] Yes, that's just normal. We ask them

[1:34:04] here, we keep on going there. But I

[1:34:06] think uh you know, we've been the city

[1:34:09] of Hobong's been operating for a long

[1:34:10] time this way. Uh it's not broke. I

[1:34:13] don't think there's a a fix that that's

[1:34:15] necessary in this in this instance that

[1:34:17] we're that needs to be fixed, but that's

[1:34:19] just my opinion. Everyone could think

[1:34:21] differently on that.

[1:34:22] >> I think I think Yeah, we Oh, sorry. Go

[1:34:24] ahead. No, I was just going to suggest

[1:34:26] um just at a high level, I really

[1:34:30] appreciate

[1:34:31] the sirens. I really appreciate the work

[1:34:34] that council members Fischer, Immus, and

[1:34:36] President Zano put into all of these

[1:34:38] because even though I I voted against

[1:34:41] CL3, I think all of these are important

[1:34:44] efforts to improve the transparency that

[1:34:46] we have. And we do have a new council

[1:34:48] members on this year and I think it's

[1:34:50] worthwhile to experiment a little bit

[1:34:52] with how we can do things better and we

[1:34:55] should be open to that. So even though

[1:34:57] it's worked in the past uh having them

[1:34:59] at the end I'd be supportive of CL4.

[1:35:04] » Mr. Con?

[1:35:05] >> No.

[1:35:07] >> Mr. Firestone?

[1:35:08] >> Yes.

[1:35:09] >> Miss Fiser?

[1:35:10] >> Yes.

[1:35:11] >> Mrs. Zyus?

[1:35:12] >> Yes.

[1:35:14] >> Mrs. Le?

[1:35:15] >> Yes.

[1:35:17] President Zano.

[1:35:18] >> Hi,

[1:35:19] >> Mr. Cano.

[1:35:20] >> Hi,

[1:35:21] >> Mr. Russo.

[1:35:22] >> Hi,

[1:35:23] >> President Ramos.

[1:35:25] >> No.

[1:35:27] >> CL5.

[1:35:28] >> So, the last one is um and this is we've

[1:35:31] heard it especially from some of the new

[1:35:34] members and Paul being new before the

[1:35:37] most recent new, but he's been saying it

[1:35:39] since the beginning.

[1:35:40] >> Um is putting in just a line item. This is putting in a line item on if you look at the the order for the

[1:35:51] meetings, there isn't a line item for

[1:35:54] committee reports and it's putting that

[1:35:58] line item in the order for the meeting

[1:36:01] and saying we we already have a

[1:36:04] requirement that the committee chairs

[1:36:07] give an update. So, it's not looking for

[1:36:09] anyone to write a summary. Um, but if

[1:36:13] they feel or if we actually do follow

[1:36:16] our committee rules, committee chairs

[1:36:18] then would just give like a one minute,

[1:36:20] hey, this is what we talked about. I'll

[1:36:22] give an example. I chair parking and

[1:36:24] transportation and I might say we had a

[1:36:26] whole conversation on the Grove Street

[1:36:29] closure. We had a presentation from the

[1:36:31] D on a grove uh Grove Street closure and

[1:36:36] everyone could give their 60 seconds. It

[1:36:39] lets everyone here have a sense of what

[1:36:41] we're talking about. I can tell you we

[1:36:42] have a we have this ad hoc revenue

[1:36:44] committee um that we actually haven't

[1:36:47] meet met in a little while. We have to

[1:36:48] meet again, but we you know we're

[1:36:51] talking about things that are crossover

[1:36:53] to other committees and other council

[1:36:55] members have asked about it and this way

[1:36:57] we can just give the update. We don't

[1:36:58] have to have it a back and forth. We can

[1:37:00] have the questions afterwards but the

[1:37:02] public knows what we're talking about

[1:37:03] and the city council. But to facilitate

[1:37:05] that, this just inserts a line item into

[1:37:09] the order to facilitate that. The

[1:37:11] requirement is actually already in our

[1:37:13] council rules. There just isn't

[1:37:16] something that says committee reports.

[1:37:18] Yeah, there isn't a line.

[1:37:19] >> Good. Call vote. I agree with

[1:37:22] >> Mr. Con.

[1:37:22] >> That to you. Hi

[1:37:25] >> L Stone.

[1:37:26] >> Yes.

[1:37:26] >> Fisher.

[1:37:27] >> Yes.

[1:37:27] >> Mrs. Zyus.

[1:37:28] >> Yes.

[1:37:29] >> Mrs. Le.

[1:37:30] >> Yes.

[1:37:31] >> President.

[1:37:32] >> Hi.

[1:37:34] >> Russo.

[1:37:35] >> Hi.

[1:37:36] >> President Ramos.

[1:37:37] >> Hi.

[1:37:38] >> Thank you.

[1:37:39] Thank you.

[1:37:40] >> Appreciate you guys.

[1:37:43] >> Ordinance for introduction. An ordinance

[1:37:45] amending chapter 74

[1:37:47] >> titled uh tobacco vending machines.

[1:37:50] >> Call vote.

[1:37:51] >> So, let's talk about this.

[1:37:52] >> No questions. [laughter]

[1:37:54] >> Wait a minute.

[1:37:55] >> I do have a lot of questions on this.

[1:37:57] >> Immediate.

[1:37:57] >> We got one day.

[1:37:58] >> There there is

[1:37:59] >> It's immediate.

[1:38:00] >> By the way, there there is a I mean

[1:38:01] there's a lot of stuff in here that I

[1:38:03] was reading that I have a lot of

[1:38:04] questions on. The

[1:38:06] >> phone you can ask next week.

[1:38:08] >> No. No. Time out. Time out. Council

[1:38:10] President, with all due respect, I love

[1:38:12] you to death. But but the reality is it

[1:38:14] passed. It's immediate. And if council

[1:38:16] members have questions, they most

[1:38:18] certainly could could ask them now.

[1:38:19] >> They can. I understand.

[1:38:20] >> You have to take [laughter] the council

[1:38:22] rule says you have to reading.

[1:38:24] >> No. No. Not the resolution.

[1:38:26] >> Not for uh

[1:38:27] >> All right.

[1:38:27] >> Mr. Firestone.

[1:38:29] >> No.

[1:38:30] >> Yes. I'm trying to get away with it.

[1:38:31] >> Fisher.

[1:38:32] >> You did, but that's all right.

[1:38:33] >> Yes.

[1:38:34] >> Mrs. Le.

[1:38:35] >> Yes.

[1:38:35] >> President.

[1:38:36] >> No. On first reading. There you go.

[1:38:38] >> Mr. Cano

[1:38:39] >> I

[1:38:40] >> suso

[1:38:41] >> no

[1:38:42] >> president Ramos

[1:38:44] >> I had I gave it to you Paul just the

[1:38:46] first reading

[1:38:47] >> introduction amending

[1:38:48] >> just so you could talk about it next

[1:38:49] time [laughter]

[1:38:51] >> ordinance amending chapter 116 entitled

[1:38:54] heating heating of buildings

[1:38:57] >> vote

[1:38:59] >> Mr. Constone

[1:39:01] >> yes

[1:39:02] >> Fisher

[1:39:02] >> yes

[1:39:03] >> Mrs. Zyus

[1:39:03] >> yes

[1:39:04] >> Mrs. ation.

[1:39:05] >> Yes.

[1:39:05] >> President.

[1:39:06] >> No. On first reading,

[1:39:08] >> Mr.

[1:39:10] >> Hi.

[1:39:12] >> I need if there's a

[1:39:14] >> I

[1:39:16] >> Mr. Russo.

[1:39:17] >> Hi.

[1:39:18] >> President Ramos.

[1:39:18] >> Hi.

[1:39:20] [snorts]

[1:39:24] » Orange introduction amending chapter 115

[1:39:27] health and sanitation codes.

[1:39:30] [snorts]

[1:39:31] >> Call vote.

[1:39:31] >> Mr. Con.

[1:39:32] >> Hi.

[1:39:33] >> Firestone. Yes,

[1:39:34] >> Fisher.

[1:39:35] >> Yes,

[1:39:36] >> Mr. Zyus.

[1:39:36] >> Yes,

[1:39:37] >> Mr. SL.

[1:39:38] >> Yes,

[1:39:38] >> President Zano.

[1:39:39] >> Yes, on first reading.

[1:39:41] as well.

[1:39:43] >> Mr. Russo,

[1:39:43] >> yes.

[1:39:44] >> President Ramos,

[1:39:45] >> Idance amending chapter 147 title mobile

[1:39:50] rent rental food vendors.

[1:39:52] >> Retail.

[1:39:53] >> Mr. Con,

[1:39:54] >> I stone.

[1:39:55] >> Yes.

[1:39:56] >> Fisher.

[1:39:57] >> Yes.

[1:39:57] >> Mrs. Yes.

[1:39:59] >> Mrs. Le.

[1:40:00] >> Yes.

[1:40:00] >> M presidento.

[1:40:02] >> Yes. On first reading. Hi,

[1:40:04] >> Mr. Russo.

[1:40:05] >> No

[1:40:07] president questions.

[1:40:10] >> Ordinance for introduction amending

[1:40:12] chapter 128 entitle permits for to

[1:40:14] modify license fees.

[1:40:19] >> Questions call vote.

[1:40:21] >> Mr. Con.

[1:40:22] >> I firestone.

[1:40:23] >> Yes.

[1:40:24] >> Fisher.

[1:40:24] >> Yes.

[1:40:25] >> Mrs. Zyus.

[1:40:26] >> Yes.

[1:40:26] >> Mrs. Le.

[1:40:27] >> Yes.

[1:40:28] >> President.

[1:40:29] >> No.

[1:40:31] >> Mr. Cano.

[1:40:32] >> Hi. Mr. Russo,

[1:40:33] >> no.

[1:40:34] >> President Ramos,

[1:40:35] >> I

[1:40:37] >> resolution for introduction amending

[1:40:39] chapter 192 parking for persons with

[1:40:41] disabilities

[1:40:43] and we remove ADA reserve space on

[1:40:46] Willow Avenue.

[1:40:47] >> Call vote.

[1:40:48] >> Mr. Con.

[1:40:48] >> Hi.

[1:40:49] >> Firestone.

[1:40:50] >> Yes.

[1:40:50] >> Fisher.

[1:40:51] >> Yes.

[1:40:52] >> Mr. Zyus.

[1:40:52] >> Yes.

[1:40:53] >> Mrs. Leon.

[1:40:54] >> Yes.

[1:40:54] >> President Zano.

[1:40:55] >> Hi.

[1:40:56] >> Mr. Cano.

[1:40:57] >> Hi.

[1:40:57] >> Mr. Russo.

[1:40:58] >> Hi.

[1:40:59] >> President Ramos.

[1:41:00] >> Hi.

[1:41:02] Uh introduction ordinance amending

[1:41:04] chapter 192-6.1

[1:41:08] entitled restricting parking for police

[1:41:10] vehicles, fire vehicles and official

[1:41:13] business to remove restricted parking

[1:41:15] spaces for official business for the

[1:41:17] Hudson County at the Hoboka multi

[1:41:20] multi-ervice center.

[1:41:22] >> Call vote.

[1:41:23] >> Mr. Con.

[1:41:23] >> Hi.

[1:41:24] >> Firestone.

[1:41:25] >> Yes.

[1:41:25] >> Fisher.

[1:41:26] >> Yes.

[1:41:26] >> Mr. Zyus.

[1:41:27] >> Yes.

[1:41:28] >> Mrs. Lac.

[1:41:29] >> Yes.

[1:41:29] >> President.

[1:41:30] >> Hi.

[1:41:30] >> Mr. O

[1:41:32] >> I

[1:41:32] >> Mr. Russo.

[1:41:33] >> Hi.

[1:41:34] >> President Ramos.

[1:41:35] >> Hi.

[1:41:36] >> Board for introduction amending chapter

[1:41:38] 196 zoning to create new zoning

[1:41:41] districts willow terrace residential

[1:41:44] preserv preservation and amend the city

[1:41:48] zoning map and

[1:41:50] cooperative of the new New Jersey the

[1:41:53] new zoning district.

[1:41:55] >> Mr. Con.

[1:41:56] >> Hi.

[1:41:57] >> Wstone.

[1:41:58] >> Yes.

[1:41:58] >> Fisher.

[1:41:59] >> Yes.

[1:42:00] >> Mrs. Zyus. Yes.

[1:42:02] >> Yes.

[1:42:02] >> President Zano.

[1:42:03] >> Hi,

[1:42:04] >> Mr. Cterero.

[1:42:05] >> Hi,

[1:42:05] >> Mr. Russo.

[1:42:06] >> Hi,

[1:42:07] >> President Ramos.

[1:42:07] >> I CD Community Development Resolution

[1:42:10] CD4.

[1:42:12] >> Send it to

[1:42:14] >> We already voted.

[1:42:14] >> We did. We should have the ordinance.

[1:42:17] >> All right. Felicia, public portion.

[1:42:19] Felicia Jones.

[1:42:21] >> What?

[1:42:27] » Hi, Felicia. Welcome. You get five

[1:42:29] minutes from Felicia. Excellent. All

[1:42:30] right. Um, hello council members and

[1:42:34] Hoboken residents. My name is Felicia

[1:42:36] and I live right up the hill in North

[1:42:37] Bergen. So, as you all know and I know

[1:42:40] the great pains of trying to get down

[1:42:42] the hill back to Hoboken. Um, as a

[1:42:44] skater, I know these streets inside and

[1:42:46] out. As a foodie, I know our local

[1:42:47] shops. And as a dog mom, my boy Ekko

[1:42:50] nearly takes my arm off trying to get to

[1:42:52] the parks that are in this area. As a

[1:42:54] manager though, I make it my absolute

[1:42:56] business to know my neighbors and my

[1:42:58] customers. For the past two years, I've

[1:43:00] served as a manager at the green room

[1:43:01] right here in Hoboken. Actually, one

[1:43:03] block away right there. Um, I work I

[1:43:06] work handinand with our owners. Each

[1:43:08] team member and many of the great folks

[1:43:10] who flood the streets coming from the

[1:43:12] path. I get to say hi by name and know

[1:43:14] them personally. There's something truly

[1:43:17] special about being able to lean out

[1:43:18] your window and wave to a neighbor and

[1:43:20] know them, know their face, know what

[1:43:22] they like, know when they enjoy. Thanks

[1:43:24] to the green room and the unique charm

[1:43:26] of the city, I've built deep

[1:43:27] friendships, personal connections, and a

[1:43:29] real sense of community. That's what

[1:43:31] Hoboken craves. That's what a Hoboken

[1:43:33] is. I know that the business that my

[1:43:36] industry is sometimes carries a stigma

[1:43:39] because operators who don't run things

[1:43:40] clean are right. But that is not who we

[1:43:43] are. Our business is transparent, highly

[1:43:45] responsible, and driven above all for

[1:43:48] customer safety and satisfaction. Every

[1:43:51] day, I have the privilege of educating

[1:43:52] our community on the life-changing

[1:43:54] benefits of cannabis. We support our

[1:43:56] neighbors dealing with daily anxiety and

[1:43:58] sleep trouble in a fast-paced world that

[1:44:00] frankly causes everybody high blood

[1:44:01] pressure. More importantly, we help

[1:44:03] people living with severe conditions

[1:44:05] like cancer, Parkinson's, lupus,

[1:44:07] postsurgery recoveries, individuals of

[1:44:10] any age enduring pain and discomfort

[1:44:12] that often can feel unbearable. Our our

[1:44:14] topical relief cream, for example,

[1:44:16] offers comfort that many in our

[1:44:17] community cannot find anywhere else. In

[1:44:19] fact, I know for a fact that people who

[1:44:23] work in this very building use it

[1:44:24] because I've met you at our counters.

[1:44:26] I've seen your faces. I try to get to

[1:44:27] know everybody's names. Even our furry

[1:44:30] friends that can't handle car rides or

[1:44:31] visits without panicking and shaking.

[1:44:33] They have a product designed for them to

[1:44:36] help them made by us. Whenever somebody

[1:44:38] walks through my doors, my goal is

[1:44:39] simple, to be fully educated on every

[1:44:42] product so our neighbors feel confident,

[1:44:44] safe, and supported and getting the

[1:44:46] relief that they need. We are one

[1:44:47] community, and we all need help

[1:44:49] sometimes. The green room is an

[1:44:51] essential part of Hoboken's fabric. That

[1:44:53] is why I'm standing before you tonight

[1:44:55] to share my story and to ask for your

[1:44:57] help. A letter of support from this

[1:44:58] council is critical. It will allow us to

[1:45:01] obtain our official license so we can

[1:45:03] continue running our business the way

[1:45:04] that it is, serving our community and

[1:45:06] protecting my employment as a cannabis

[1:45:08] retail management. If the green room

[1:45:10] closes, a vital part of this community

[1:45:12] and our team's livelihoods goes with it.

[1:45:14] Please help us keep our doors open.

[1:45:16] Please put your support towards helping

[1:45:17] the residents of Hoboken find the relief

[1:45:20] that they crave. I thank you for your

[1:45:22] time. I hope to see you guys all play

[1:45:24] pool at the green room.

[1:45:26] >> Thank you.

[1:45:26] >> Yes.

[1:45:26] >> Thank you,

[1:45:27] >> Elizabeth Adams.

[1:45:41] Good evening. Tonight I would like to

[1:45:44] address a topic that even though by now

[1:45:47] I'm sure we have all heard ad nauseium

[1:45:51] still needs to be discussed and that is

[1:45:54] the topic of breast cancer. Now before

[1:45:58] you all roll your eyes I would like to

[1:46:00] make you aware of a few things as well

[1:46:03] as explain my connection with the

[1:46:05] subject and why I have had a particular

[1:46:08] interest in it for quite a number of

[1:46:10] years now. Firstly, I would like to

[1:46:14] state that this issue does not only

[1:46:16] concern women of a certain age. In

[1:46:20] reality, in recent years, there has been

[1:46:23] an actual rise in the number of young

[1:46:26] women acquiring this disease. It has

[1:46:29] become the leading cause of cancer death

[1:46:32] in women ages 20 to 49.

[1:46:35] When I was a child, the rate of

[1:46:37] acquisition of this illness was 1 in 10.

[1:46:41] Now it is 1 in 8. And gentlemen, if you

[1:46:46] believe that you are immune from this

[1:46:47] problem, while it is rare, it is also

[1:46:51] not an impossibility purely by virtue of

[1:46:54] your gender. So the next time that you

[1:46:57] are in the shower or bath, start feeling

[1:47:00] around. Life you save may very well be

[1:47:04] your own.

[1:47:06] And now we come to my particular

[1:47:08] connection with this issue. As I

[1:47:11] previously discussed, my mother was the

[1:47:13] eldest of three sisters. The middle one

[1:47:16] was my godmother, my aunt Irene.

[1:47:20] In 1986, she acquired breast cancer and

[1:47:24] underwent a double mastctomy.

[1:47:26] She at that time had no follow-up

[1:47:30] chemotherapy, however, as the physician

[1:47:32] in charge at the time believed that he

[1:47:35] had gotten it all, dismissing the

[1:47:38] possible presence of microscopic cancer

[1:47:41] cells. My aunt very unfortunately chose

[1:47:46] to trust his advice.

[1:47:48] Fast forward to September of 1992.

[1:47:52] One day, as she bent over to tie her

[1:47:55] sneakers, she both heard and felt a

[1:47:58] cracking sound and sensation.

[1:48:01] This is how she discovered the

[1:48:03] recurrence of the cancer. Six years

[1:48:06] later, the microscopic cancer cells that

[1:48:09] were not addressed by follow-up

[1:48:11] chemotherapy multiplied

[1:48:14] and consumed the marrow of the bones of

[1:48:18] her rib cage. It was discovered that the

[1:48:21] cancer also spread to her reproductive

[1:48:24] organs and a few weeks later in October

[1:48:28] she underwent a complete hysterctomy.

[1:48:31] The expert physicians then attempted to

[1:48:35] treat her with chemotherapy but by this

[1:48:37] time it amounted to being the equivalent

[1:48:40] of being a day late and a dollar short.

[1:48:43] Her condition further deteriorated

[1:48:46] in March of 1993.

[1:48:49] She underwent radiation treatments. This

[1:48:52] only served to further deteriorate her

[1:48:54] condition. And four months later,

[1:48:59] on July 14th of 1993,

[1:49:02] my mother and I witnessed her die, a

[1:49:05] miserable and agonizing death.

[1:49:08] I cannot emphasize enough my complete

[1:49:12] and total anger and disgust not only at

[1:49:15] the medical establishment but also her

[1:49:18] son, my cousin, who very unfortunately

[1:49:22] had medical power of attorney concerning

[1:49:24] her so-called care and in whom she very

[1:49:27] sadly placed her trust.

[1:49:30] There are several lessons to be learned

[1:49:32] regarding my aunt's story. Chief among

[1:49:36] them being the realization that at the

[1:49:38] end of the day, it is you and you alone

[1:49:42] who must ultimately take responsibility

[1:49:45] for your health, your body, and your

[1:49:48] life. Failure to be proactive in these

[1:49:51] regards and also firstly and foremost to

[1:49:55] trust your instincts very sadly resulted

[1:49:59] in what I believe was my aunt's very

[1:50:02] untimely death.

[1:50:04] It is important to note that up until my

[1:50:07] aunt became ill, there had never been

[1:50:10] any cancer in our family until then.

[1:50:15] I have more to say on this subject.

[1:50:17] However, it will have to wait for

[1:50:19] another time.

[1:50:21] Lastly,

[1:50:23] I would like to observe a moment of

[1:50:25] silence for the over 1,200 people,

[1:50:32] including people from our own state of

[1:50:34] New Jersey who on this day three years

[1:50:37] ago were brutally murdered in Israel by

[1:50:41] the butchers of Hamas.

[1:50:52] Amen.

[1:50:53] >> May their memories be for a blessing

[1:50:56] always. And just as with 911,

[1:51:01] may we never ever forget.

[1:51:04] >> Thank you for your time.

[1:51:05] >> Thank you, Liz.

[1:51:07] Really appreciate you. Thank you.

[1:51:10] >> Pascalina, here we go.

[1:51:16] I'm happy to be here.

[1:51:17] >> Yep. You're ready.

[1:51:17] >> Happy to be here. Not mad. Happy to tell

[1:51:21] what happened in a book. I am happy. I

[1:51:24] sit I stay in a bunch of sheep. Scared

[1:51:27] of the wolf. First of all

[1:51:30] scared the wolf. The sheep. I'm not a

[1:51:33] sheep. I'm [snorts] not scared.

[1:51:35] >> Sheep. Okay.

[1:51:35] >> Sheep.

[1:51:38] » You understand what sheep?

[1:51:40] >> Sheep. Yes. Yes. I thought you said

[1:51:41] something.

[1:51:42] >> Good. I'm no sheep. I not scared of the

[1:51:44] wolf.

[1:51:46] He tried to steal me 27,000. I got all

[1:51:49] the sweet sh Mariano lo he said to me if

[1:51:53] you not pay I put lean in your house.

[1:51:56] What's the reason? I said because when

[1:51:58] you buy you pay very cheap not worth the

[1:52:00] money. So I the go down you give me the

[1:52:04] money. I don't care. He put the s witch

[1:52:08] of joy in charge. She said me so many

[1:52:13] layer you got to be arrested. I said no

[1:52:15] it's an account. I said you should be

[1:52:17] arrested 30 years ago. You still money

[1:52:19] too many people.

[1:52:21] Mariana still money too many people. The

[1:52:24] lawyer Loren Lafar 51 and he told me

[1:52:29] Loren Lafar lawyer. He told me Martian

[1:52:33] he give ordinarian

[1:52:35] law he give ordin

[1:52:38] people he give ordin

[1:52:40] people he arrest everybody for money he

[1:52:44] said the mafia is the bosia

[1:52:48] no law like a mafia have no you

[1:52:51] understand no valia

[1:52:58] so he cannot win three timeing gold she

[1:53:02] bring and he decide I not give a

[1:53:05] handicap

[1:53:06] I don't mind you know give him if I have

[1:53:08] already 10 years ago or five years ago

[1:53:11] or three years ago I not be [snorts]

[1:53:12] here talk you understand I find a lot of

[1:53:15] thing

[1:53:16] even this s

[1:53:22] another gang organizer crime

[1:53:25] they s who steal $250

[1:53:29] every

[1:53:33] 200,000 years all the gang organiz

[1:53:40] and many many many more people involved

[1:53:45] so the shall

[1:53:50] who collaborate

[1:53:52] with the mafia guilty you understand if

[1:53:56] somebody have not valor the said we

[1:53:58] cannot listen the what You say every

[1:54:02] lady with 10 years he put a sign all up.

[1:54:06] Three days ago I think it was Saturday I

[1:54:09] passed the go to the bank and he set 52

[1:54:13] to Newark no bar. I think

[1:54:18] I pass well the people of the for the

[1:54:22] meeting people they call me and say you

[1:54:24] told everybody that I got to go. I say

[1:54:27] yeah remember first you are Kard

[1:54:33] money then you put Roberto many more he

[1:54:37] want me to respect as a lawyer

[1:54:40] is no law above the lawyer I told he

[1:54:45] just want to be scared the ship no I not

[1:54:49] leave 100 years like a ship one day like

[1:54:55] lying

[1:55:00] How come the people one know I don't

[1:55:03] know you think I believe one said you

[1:55:06] got to bring another

[1:55:09] said the people of the meeting call me

[1:55:12] which one of you call him

[1:55:15] he said the people at the meeting call

[1:55:17] me they said you talk everybody know B I

[1:55:21] don't want just the people of B I want

[1:55:23] people all in New Jersey I told them I

[1:55:26] When I say I know you, I know your

[1:55:28] sister. I know your brother-in-law

[1:55:30] Andrew. I know all everything. What the

[1:55:34] hell you think?

[1:55:36] What revenge? What I give a he put a

[1:55:41] sign all over and nobody say no. We

[1:55:44] cannot listen to you because you know

[1:55:48] we cannot collaborate with you.

[1:55:53] scared.

[1:55:59] You understand?

[1:56:02] That's wrong.

[1:56:08] Change all this when she bring so many

[1:56:11] time. You got to be arrest.

[1:56:15] I went to police so many times.

[1:56:16] >> Your time's running out, Pascalina.

[1:56:18] Thank you very much. You're not a sheep.

[1:56:21] That's for sure.

[1:56:21] >> I'm no sheep. You're not

[1:56:24] sheep.

[1:56:26] We could take a vote on that. N nothing.

[1:56:29] >> Thank you.

[1:56:36] » Somebody going to come.

[1:56:37] >> Thank you, Pascalina. It's Pat.

[1:56:39] >> Thank you.

[1:56:55] Pastor. It's Pat's turn.

[1:56:58] >> This I'm trying to

[1:57:00] >> Could y'all just do me one favor,

[1:57:02] please? For real.

[1:57:04] >> I I got this from a time to kill, but

[1:57:06] it's so true. Close your eyes and

[1:57:08] imagine that's one of y'all mothers

[1:57:09] standing at this microphone. Seriously,

[1:57:12] just close your eyes and relax and think

[1:57:15] she's telling you she's crying for help.

[1:57:18] When y'all run for office, your soul

[1:57:20] duty is to take action of the people.

[1:57:23] Y'all, come on. Y'all is breaking my

[1:57:26] heart, man. Listen, listen. She's not

[1:57:29] lying. I'm speaking through actions. And

[1:57:32] you know exactly who I'm talking about.

[1:57:34] Reuben, I couldn't walk. I was on chemo.

[1:57:37] And just cuz they didn't like pat

[1:57:39] waiters, council people will come to me

[1:57:41] on the street and say, "Oh, you going to

[1:57:43] never get your handicap spot." And like

[1:57:45] me and Manny told y'all earlier, I'm not

[1:57:47] the right color and I don't have the

[1:57:49] right money. Cuz if I did, I would have

[1:57:52] sued the mess out of this city. I would

[1:57:54] have did just like Perry Barrel Ferryy

[1:57:56] and them back in the days. I would have

[1:57:58] sued this city. And y'all don't care

[1:58:00] because that's taxpayer money. Y'all

[1:58:03] feel like y'all qualified immune. I'm

[1:58:05] from qualified immune. I'm qualified

[1:58:07] from that. I'm exempt from with

[1:58:09] qualified immunity. Y'all got to stop.

[1:58:11] I'm serious. It's scary. And what's

[1:58:13] happening is the wrong person is getting

[1:58:15] in the chair to serve as a mayor. And

[1:58:18] that's why we all suffering.

[1:58:21] Two years going to come so fast. And I'm

[1:58:23] telling you people, stop stopping me in

[1:58:25] the street if they not going to do

[1:58:26] what's right. I do what's right by

[1:58:30] everybody. And I feel I swear I tried to

[1:58:32] refrain from not saying nothing. But to

[1:58:34] see that lady and I know they tried it

[1:58:36] on me and that bring me back to what I'm

[1:58:39] talking about with this prosecutor

[1:58:41] Belise that y'all got on the agenda

[1:58:43] tonight. Let me make sure I get it right

[1:58:46] cuz I'm going to the state. I'mma go beg

[1:58:48] Leticia James to come to Hoboken

[1:58:51] CC1.

[1:58:53] It says amending the professional

[1:58:56] service contracts with I can't even

[1:58:59] pronounce his name. Baise. Anyway, y'all

[1:59:01] bringing him back as the municipal

[1:59:03] prosecutor, wasn't he here? He was here,

[1:59:06] right, Mike? And he left.

[1:59:09] [clears throat] This guy was here as the

[1:59:11] prosecutor. And if I'm wrong, I'm I'mma

[1:59:13] wait for y'all in the morning to get

[1:59:15] back in touch with me because see, I

[1:59:18] like I discussed with the director, too.

[1:59:20] You got to take law real serious, okay?

[1:59:23] Because that's the first line of

[1:59:25] defense. I had a very bad experience, me

[1:59:28] and my son. Seemma like apparently

[1:59:30] nobody don't want to address it. And we

[1:59:32] had a prosecutor on his case that

[1:59:36] conducted prosecutionatory

[1:59:38] misconduct. Did I say it right, Lawyer

[1:59:41] Cohen? Because I'm familiar with the law

[1:59:44] and I respect you and your language with

[1:59:46] the law and I want to be respected and I

[1:59:48] know I said it right. So I came just as

[1:59:50] a lame citizen with no money to afford

[1:59:53] an attorney and I was prosay and right

[1:59:56] here in this city where y'all voted for

[1:59:58] these prosecutors prosecutionatory

[2:00:01] misconduct. I said it. I wrote it in

[2:00:03] writing. The cleanest thing y'all got in

[2:00:05] this city is Benjamin Joy. Can I tell

[2:00:07] you why, please? And I got to share

[2:00:09] this. Under Mayor Zimmer, I came to

[2:00:12] court for a parking ticket with my

[2:00:13] elderly mother than dying from cancer.

[2:00:15] We sat right there. When they said the

[2:00:17] next one, Patricia Waiters, he wouldn't

[2:00:19] even let me walk up in front of him. He

[2:00:21] said, "I can't see her. I got to excuse

[2:00:23] myself cuz she's a very good friend of

[2:00:25] mine. She voted for me at the council

[2:00:27] meeting, but I didn't vote for him. I

[2:00:29] spoke about him and he wouldn't even see

[2:00:32] my case and he changed the venue." Now,

[2:00:34] tell me that's not integrity. Integrity

[2:00:37] is doing the right thing when nobody

[2:00:39] looking. Integrity is doing the right

[2:00:42] thing behind closed doors. Integrity is

[2:00:44] doing the right thing when you got to go

[2:00:46] against your friend that put you on

[2:00:48] their ticket and spent a lot of money

[2:00:50] and say you they god daughter. Okay.

[2:00:53] Integrity is saying, "Hey, I can't do

[2:00:55] this cuz I don't know where I'm going to

[2:00:57] be when my term is up." That's what

[2:01:00] integrity is. And it bothers me cuz

[2:01:02] y'all could say what y'all want out your

[2:01:04] mouth. I spoke to all of y'all at

[2:01:06] lecture time. I look at your actions. I

[2:01:09] solely look at your actions and I give

[2:01:10] you respect. this prosecutor. Mr.

[2:01:14] President, I'm leaving this in your lap

[2:01:16] because you the president of the count.

[2:01:17] Please look into this. Please, I'm

[2:01:20] wrapping it up with my last three

[2:01:21] minutes.

[2:01:22] >> 30 seconds.

[2:01:22] >> The reason I get upset every time y'all

[2:01:25] mention HHA, they really still feel in

[2:01:27] their heart they forgotten about. We

[2:01:29] sick and tired of being sick and tired.

[2:01:31] And don't say y'all don't turn on y'all

[2:01:33] phones every day. And the blacks seem

[2:01:35] like we under attack. This been

[2:01:38] happening to us for years. So the public

[2:01:40] looking at it like, "Oh, they're used to

[2:01:41] it." No, we not. Tonight, one of y'all

[2:01:44] said that. I think it was my dear friend

[2:01:46] Firestone. Let us get a chance. We knew

[2:01:49] here. We don't know what's going on. I'm

[2:01:51] giving y'all the opportunity to change.

[2:01:53] Please go down to the housing authority

[2:01:55] now that you won. Okay? Please, cuz

[2:01:59] those people need help. All of this

[2:02:01] money I'm seeing for grants and CDB, GO

[2:02:04] CLEAN THEIR HOUSES IN THE INSIDE. The

[2:02:06] infrastructure is horrible.

[2:02:08] >> Mold everywhere. Thank you, Pat.

[2:02:11] >> Thank you. You're welcome. And I'm

[2:02:12] wrapping this up to thank everybody from

[2:02:15] the HHA that attended, including my

[2:02:17] fourth war councilman, my birthday party

[2:02:20] in the rain, and a lot of them sick to

[2:02:22] this day. I appreciate it. We can't

[2:02:24] control mother nature, but thank all of

[2:02:26] you that showed up.

[2:02:27] >> Thank you, Pat.

[2:02:27] >> Thank y'all. I told you I was going to

[2:02:28] say this house under the hurry. I always

[2:02:30] got your back.

[2:02:32] >> Manuel Riveraire.

[2:02:45] Thank you, Council President. Good

[2:02:46] evening, Manuel Vas. Six W. Council

[2:02:48] President, I want to start off quickly

[2:02:49] because that clock starts moving fast. I

[2:02:51] want to thank um members of the council,

[2:02:54] especially my sixword representative. I

[2:02:57] took a second bite at the app. See, I I

[2:03:00] am a Justice. I put this sign up because

[2:03:02] I forgot to mention it when I was in in

[2:03:04] a consent agenda and my council woman

[2:03:07] was able to catch it. Not council member

[2:03:09] um President Zano because he didn't have

[2:03:11] his glasses on. So, uh I'll give you a

[2:03:13] pass on that one, sir. But I appreciate

[2:03:15] it. And Council President, I also want

[2:03:17] to say that um there was a lot of

[2:03:20] discussion and I appreciate again the

[2:03:23] clarity that was said is all that

[2:03:25] members of the public want. um the

[2:03:27] discussion on J86, although it was a

[2:03:30] little bit contentious, but it was I'm

[2:03:32] sure it wasn't personal, but I

[2:03:35] appreciate it and members of the public

[2:03:36] do appreciate it. And um that's what we

[2:03:39] need. We need discussion. We need to

[2:03:40] know what is happening with these

[2:03:43] ordinances. And again, I just want to

[2:03:45] say thank you for all of that. And um

[2:03:48] also, I want to say that I have to put

[2:03:52] on my glasses.

[2:03:54] also want to say that the city codes are

[2:03:57] important because they are the law that

[2:04:01] needs to be followed by the developers

[2:04:05] as well as the small um landlords. So my

[2:04:09] pet peeve is that that things happen and

[2:04:12] you took off J72 and J75 this evening

[2:04:16] which were very contentious in the

[2:04:18] planning board meeting. Um, council

[2:04:21] president and council member Firestone

[2:04:22] can give testimony to that that I was

[2:04:25] there listening to the conversations and

[2:04:28] there is a lot of work that needs to be

[2:04:29] done before you bring these two back

[2:04:32] because there is um controversy in

[2:04:35] regards to the parking that is going to

[2:04:37] be allowed for the developers and it is

[2:04:40] important that you decide and listen to

[2:04:42] that better and listen to um members of

[2:04:44] the zoning board. um they had very good

[2:04:47] um information. Council, former council

[2:04:50] member and mayor Doyle had very good

[2:04:53] points as well I think is Commissioner

[2:04:55] Martin. So maybe reach out to them.

[2:04:57] Council President, with that I'm going

[2:04:58] to say um to all to all um the residents

[2:05:02] especially in myella who just left um

[2:05:06] Pascalina

[2:05:08] boner boner

[2:05:11] bon feliche

[2:05:14] patrimonal americano president if you

[2:05:17] want me to translate I will. It just is

[2:05:19] um uh wishing uh our Hoboken

[2:05:23] Italian-American family a very happy

[2:05:25] Italian-American Heritage Month to all of you who are on the council,

[2:05:30] members of the public. Uh just want to

[2:05:32] say that council president again it was

[2:05:35] mentioned before a member of the public

[2:05:37] said it and I also want to thank you all

[2:05:40] for on the last meeting. I guess I just

[2:05:43] u am no longer the unofficial consoler

[2:05:46] of the council because some of you took

[2:05:48] the opportunity to mention a few of your

[2:05:50] close um uh friends and uh constituents.

[2:05:54] So I appreciate that. Uh maybe I'll come

[2:05:56] back in another point, but uh today I

[2:05:58] just want to say that it is again as a

[2:06:00] member of the public said it is uh

[2:06:02] October 7th and we want to remember uh

[2:06:04] the lives that were lost and the

[2:06:06] families that for were forever affected

[2:06:08] by the terrorist attacks in Israel on

[2:06:11] October 7th. We still pray for them.

[2:06:13] Pray for their families. We pray for the

[2:06:15] survivors who are still suffering

[2:06:16] perhaps the scars of their detention.

[2:06:20] And we ask the Almighty um to have them

[2:06:22] always in safe in a safe and

[2:06:28] secure place in their hearts and souls.

[2:06:30] Council President, we pray for them

[2:06:32] always and we thank you all for for um

[2:06:35] putting the attention. And Dana, like I

[2:06:36] said before, council president, it is

[2:06:38] very important that this council have

[2:06:40] always the best interest of the people.

[2:06:42] Communication is everything. It's key.

[2:06:45] It is important for us to understand and

[2:06:47] know the ins and outs of these agendas

[2:06:50] so that people can feel comfortable when

[2:06:53] they are representative vote on their

[2:06:55] regards. I know the time is going fast.

[2:06:58] There are a lot of meetings. There is a

[2:06:59] cannabis meeting on the 22nd. It's very

[2:07:02] important that people who are interested

[2:07:03] to attend is via Zoom I believe. And

[2:07:06] with that, Council President, because my

[2:07:08] time is running quickly, I just want to

[2:07:11] say, as I said, and I say always, I flub

[2:07:15] flubbed it last meeting, but I will take

[2:07:18] my time now and say to my beloved

[2:07:21] Ukraine, although I am not Ukrainian,

[2:07:23] Slava Ukraine, glory to Ukraine. Herm

[2:07:26] Slava, glory to the heroes. And with

[2:07:29] that, Council President, God bless you.

[2:07:31] all. God bless the men and

[2:07:33] women in our armed services that are

[2:07:35] serving in harm's way. May they return

[2:07:36] to their families safe and soon. And God

[2:07:40] bless Hoboken. And with that, Council

[2:07:41] President, I yield [snorts] with two

[2:07:43] minutes to spare. Thank you.

[2:07:44] >> No time because you nothing left.

[2:07:47] >> Joseph Cortez.

[2:07:50] >> Thank you, Manny.

[2:07:55] » Hello every concert member. Uh sorry,

[2:07:57] I'm exhausted, so just give me a little

[2:08:00] bit here. Uh, basically I'm here with a

[2:08:02] few other people from the green room.

[2:08:04] Uh, I helped actually I'm the family

[2:08:06] manager there. Uh, unfortunately the

[2:08:08] owner Derek and Coner couldn't be here.

[2:08:10] They're actually both uh groomsmen at

[2:08:13] different weddings, so they couldn't

[2:08:15] show, but uh I did hear there's a

[2:08:18] cannabis board meeting or something on

[2:08:20] the 22nd. Uh, beautiful. So, they will

[2:08:23] be attending that one. Basically, I'm

[2:08:25] just here to give a little story. Um, if

[2:08:28] none of you or if any of you are aware

[2:08:30] of what's going on in the cannabis

[2:08:32] world, um, there are things happening

[2:08:34] with specifically the hemp industry,

[2:08:37] which we're in. Um,

[2:08:41] in November, things were going to be

[2:08:43] changing for us, which means the store

[2:08:45] would have to basically completely

[2:08:46] close. All of the products we have, CBD

[2:08:50] based, which has no high whatsoever,

[2:08:52] changes with the new legislations

[2:08:54] federally. Um, we're basically just

[2:08:56] trying to

[2:08:58] get ourselves in the door if we're able

[2:09:00] to get an actual cannabis license

[2:09:02] instead of a hemp's license. Uh, in

[2:09:04] December this year, as long as nothing

[2:09:07] changes, the doors will have to close.

[2:09:10] The laws are very finicky, I would say,

[2:09:14] how they're doing things. Even though

[2:09:16] the percentage of THC is below that

[2:09:18] actually gets a person stoned, which is

[2:09:21] not what we do generally, uh CBD is just

[2:09:25] for health information, aches and pains,

[2:09:28] things like that. Even though the THC

[2:09:32] content is below what is going to be

[2:09:34] done, they're changing the laws that

[2:09:36] it's even less. And any product that

[2:09:39] doesn't even have THC and is hemp

[2:09:41] derived doesn't count for CBD basically

[2:09:44] anymore. They're basically just forcing

[2:09:45] places to get a actual license to do

[2:09:49] marijuana derived things, not hemp

[2:09:51] derived things. So, realistically, we're

[2:09:54] just seeing if you would give us a

[2:09:56] support letter to be able to get said

[2:09:58] cannabis license uh for marijuana

[2:10:02] derived things, not hemp derived things.

[2:10:05] Uh

[2:10:06] I know it is a very weird gray space. I

[2:10:10] know there is a cannabis board that is

[2:10:12] doing things. the owners have had

[2:10:14] multiple conversations, been here

[2:10:16] multiple times to talk about it. Um, but

[2:10:20] yeah, we're really just here to help

[2:10:22] people and keep going, keep doing

[2:10:25] things. Been doing this for eight years

[2:10:26] now and it's kind of crazy the uh

[2:10:29] stories and things that CBD in general

[2:10:32] helps with people and yeah, we're just

[2:10:35] trying to really see if you would give

[2:10:37] us a letter of support to keep us going

[2:10:39] basically. uh if that is a thing that's

[2:10:42] possible, you know, we would love to

[2:10:43] keep going. We know there is already a

[2:10:46] certain amount of dispensaries in town.

[2:10:48] There's certain amount of licenses. Uh

[2:10:50] we do already manufacture in Richfield,

[2:10:53] so it's completely different town,

[2:10:54] different license obviously. Uh but

[2:10:57] basically, we're at the point where

[2:10:58] we're being forced to

[2:11:01] change to this license. Um, it was never

[2:11:04] something we really wanted to do, but if

[2:11:07] we're forced to, we would open up and

[2:11:10] basically make things as close to what

[2:11:12] we do as possible. Keep doing what we

[2:11:15] doing, but just switch where the product

[2:11:18] actually comes from. Um, yeah, I think

[2:11:21] that's about it. Please, you know, if

[2:11:24] it's possible, let us know if it is.

[2:11:26] It's really something we're trying to

[2:11:28] keep going and do things right.

[2:11:31] Basically, we've been doing it for 8

[2:11:32] years. I mean, haven't had any troubles

[2:11:35] or anything from then. And uh yeah, we

[2:11:38] just like to I I love to keep my job

[2:11:41] basically. That's that's about where

[2:11:43] we're at. Uh but yeah, that's it. Thank

[2:11:45] you for the time.

[2:11:46] >> Thank you, buddy. Appreciate you, buddy.

[2:11:47] Thank you.

[2:11:50] >> Wer Palano. Wander.

[2:11:54] [snorts]

[2:11:58] » Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Um

[2:12:00] I'm here on behalf of uh Bland Barberhop

[2:12:04] um regarding Green Room and what they're

[2:12:07] going through right now. Um I initially

[2:12:10] came to Hoboken in 2018 and I worked for

[2:12:13] Russell Basil across the street which is

[2:12:15] a feature you guys probably know. Um, it

[2:12:18] helped me get started and eventually I

[2:12:20] opened up my own business which is a

[2:12:21] barber shop and uh, if you guys already

[2:12:25] know, Green Room is literally right next

[2:12:27] to to Basil and I got to meet Derek

[2:12:30] which was an became an amazing friend

[2:12:31] and inspired me to open up my own

[2:12:33] business. So, um, I'm not a cannabis

[2:12:36] consumer or hemp but I believe in him

[2:12:39] and I just come to support him as a

[2:12:41] person, as a business owner. Um, he was

[2:12:43] always very generous to all of us at the establishment. uh only heard

[2:12:47] great things about him and he helped us

[2:12:49] uh grow and uh yeah I believe in him and

[2:12:53] everything he's accomplished. I think

[2:12:55] he's was able to open about uh seven

[2:12:58] locations in a matter of two years and

[2:13:00] you don't do that by uh doing the wrong

[2:13:03] things and uh he just did right by

[2:13:05] people and did right by the community

[2:13:08] and as soon as I heard that he needed

[2:13:09] some support I just rushed over here for

[2:13:11] my personal business and uh just came to show him support uh as he supported

[2:13:17] me and I think that

[2:13:20] I I believe in family and I believe in

[2:13:23] people and Uh, I believe that you guys

[2:13:26] will hopefully give him a letter of

[2:13:27] support to continue his business that

[2:13:30] not only supports uh him and his family,

[2:13:32] but supports our families as well as the people that he uh employs.

[2:13:37] Um, like I said, I'm sure um you guys uh

[2:13:41] have the means and the power to maybe

[2:13:44] convince or sway some of the laws and

[2:13:46] the policies. Everything is changing

[2:13:48] rapidly. Um uh my business is in

[2:13:51] downtown Jersey City. So every time I

[2:13:53] come to Hoboken, it just looks like a

[2:13:55] whole different new place. Um I don't

[2:13:57] know what's going on, but I just hope

[2:13:58] that um Hoboken retains its identity and

[2:14:02] it's essential that it the local

[2:14:03] businesses, the small ones at least, um

[2:14:06] remain so that way that people feel like

[2:14:08] they have a home to come back to. Um

[2:14:10] anyways, I'm very grateful for

[2:14:12] everything Hoboken has done for me. Um,

[2:14:14] I love the people here and I love uh

[2:14:17] what the people represent and yeah,

[2:14:19] that's all I got to say. So, thank you

[2:14:21] guys.

[2:14:21] >> Appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks for

[2:14:22] being here. Enrique Herrera.

[2:14:32] » How's it going, guys? Uh, I wanted to

[2:14:34] just bring up two topics. The first one

[2:14:35] is the green room. Uh, I had a very

[2:14:38] specific situation happen with Blue

[2:14:40] Violet and their issue involving the 600

[2:14:43] foot rule and everything and

[2:14:44] grandfathering them was essential with

[2:14:48] the amount of support that they had. I

[2:14:49] would support some sense of a measure of

[2:14:51] um postponing any type of closure uh

[2:14:54] because of a shift in the hemp law. Um,

[2:14:57] I would say maybe even give them a

[2:14:58] chance to work up something involving

[2:15:01] grandfathering themselves in since that

[2:15:02] was like the first hemp uh cannabis

[2:15:04] thing in Hoboken before, you know, it's

[2:15:06] like the precursor of the dispensaries.

[2:15:08] We don't want to throw them under the

[2:15:10] bus and then putting in new dispensaries

[2:15:11] and keep those guys um out of jobs. So,

[2:15:14] hey, uh, every time we close down a

[2:15:16] dispensary or any type of hemp based

[2:15:18] topic, um, that's just another drug

[2:15:20] dealer walking right in saying, "I got

[2:15:22] customers." Uh so you know make sure we

[2:15:24] just show some respect for those um

[2:15:26] older dispensaries. Uh not saying

[2:15:28] grandfather all of everything but you

[2:15:30] know that work. Uh [snorts] so shout out

[2:15:32] to Green Room. That's number one. And uh

[2:15:34] number two I wanted to and again I have

[2:15:38] all the patients of world world. I

[2:15:39] texted Presiano for a sword around um a

[2:15:43] couple days ago involving or expressing

[2:15:45] my

[2:15:46] uh expression of op by OPMA standards

[2:15:50] neural link [snorts] misuse and the

[2:15:52] real-time voyagerism it comes with and I

[2:15:54] asked you questions I'm again all the

[2:15:56] time in the world I think I think it was

[2:15:58] your phone I I'll send you another text

[2:16:00] message but the questions were uh

[2:16:04] how do you feel about what I've said and

[2:16:05] if it comes to light our fourth

[2:16:07] amendment is violated in real time How

[2:16:09] would you ever go about even um fixing

[2:16:12] that from a local level, let alone any

[2:16:14] type of federal level? So, I'm just

[2:16:15] going to just elaborate into voyagerism

[2:16:17] and generalizing the word of um

[2:16:21] just in essence someone who's aroused by

[2:16:24] any video that they catch somebody in

[2:16:25] their privacy. It involves sexual stuff

[2:16:27] and involves my inclusion of neural link

[2:16:30] which is extra violating where you

[2:16:32] already know that information. That

[2:16:33] would be some type of nardir technology

[2:16:35] or you know how some people got extra

[2:16:36] information and they need so I'm just

[2:16:38] going to just recite this one thread.

[2:16:40] Real-time digital voyagerism, video

[2:16:43] voyagerism of a child, woman, or man via

[2:16:45] Neurlink is occurring not just through

[2:16:47] classic cameras and locations, but via

[2:16:49] Neurlink as it's interwoven with our

[2:16:51] senses, which means I can see through

[2:16:53] your eyes in real time when you wake up

[2:16:54] until you go to sleep, which it was

[2:16:56] something I brought up in prior um you

[2:16:59] know, city hall meetings. I wanted to

[2:17:01] really elaborate on misuse of this

[2:17:03] neural link at school and work

[2:17:05] environments and in terms of violating

[2:17:07] the fourth amendment. Uh to have

[2:17:09] information or conduct yourself in an

[2:17:11] investigative setting without a warrant,

[2:17:13] without a badge, you're pretty much a

[2:17:14] civilian not going to the police. You're

[2:17:16] just going to use that on me, exploit

[2:17:17] me, subjugate me, etc. Um with plus that

[2:17:20] technology update, it is something that

[2:17:22] a lot of people don't talk about. But uh

[2:17:24] preventative measures of any malicious

[2:17:26] use of technology would be what I'm

[2:17:28] doing which is talking about it just

[2:17:29] bringing it up because one day it would

[2:17:31] be important that as we go about

[2:17:33] neuroethics violations of anybody using

[2:17:35] any technology like that it would be

[2:17:37] like well that person touched me

[2:17:39] wirelessly and um the conversation about

[2:17:42] you know uh Jane Doe's and how they

[2:17:44] don't come forward unless there is a big

[2:17:46] whistleblower situation. Uh I wanted to

[2:17:49] put myself out there on that front of

[2:17:51] wanting to whistleblower for Leticia

[2:17:53] James which is the attorney general

[2:17:54] involving AI and Neuralink and that

[2:17:57] combination which is why um pausing AI

[2:18:01] development is something everyone's

[2:18:03] talking about. uh it involves real-time

[2:18:05] instructors of communication using

[2:18:06] algorithms involving any and all above

[2:18:10] these new AIs look like they're loading

[2:18:12] screens like cloud which they look fancy

[2:18:14] on the computer and everything but it's

[2:18:15] just a loading screen to get to the

[2:18:16] answer prediction scale um my whole

[2:18:19] thing is neural link and how do we shut

[2:18:20] that off and how easy can it be uh to

[2:18:23] shut it off u will that be free

[2:18:27] information or do you need to give an

[2:18:29] arm and a leg to it um but the

[2:18:32] voyagerism is the general ization and

[2:18:34] desensitization of that word where if

[2:18:37] that's possible with classic cameras,

[2:18:38] can you do that if both of you share a

[2:18:40] neural link? Is that possible that maybe

[2:18:42] we are being surveiled right now? And

[2:18:45] how do we get around that? Are there

[2:18:47] demagnetization doormats at the door?

[2:18:48] You have to drop your neural link at the

[2:18:50] door. Um misusing that in a school

[2:18:52] system, do you get expelled in a work

[2:18:54] environment? Do you get uh fired? Um,

[2:18:57] this is tomorrow talk that I hope can

[2:19:02] kind of bottleneck the AI development

[2:19:05] phase or as Donald J. Trump says SI

[2:19:08] super intelligence now and um I really

[2:19:10] wanted more of a public inquiry into it

[2:19:12] involving that in our school system if

[2:19:14] there is something like that even

[2:19:15] remotely possible. uh again to bottle

[2:19:18] cap both of this because if this is the

[2:19:19] talk of tomorrow it is preventing it's a

[2:19:22] preventive measure to some degree and uh

[2:19:24] that being said that that'll be it just

[2:19:26] see

[2:19:27] >> thank you Enrique appreciate it

[2:19:29] >> a motion to close public portion

[2:19:31] >> second [clears throat] all in favor

[2:19:32] >> I cohen

[2:19:34] >> thank you council president uh a few

[2:19:36] people mentioned that today is October

[2:19:38] 7th I just want to say a few words about

[2:19:40] that

[2:19:41] from the murder of 1200 people to the

[2:19:44] kidnapping of 240 others

[2:19:46] to rape, torture, mutilation of the

[2:19:50] deceased, to destruction. There is

[2:19:53] scarcely a type of violence that did not

[2:19:55] take place on October 7 against Israelis

[2:19:58] and Jews and against people of several

[2:20:00] religions in more than 25 different

[2:20:02] nationalities with the Hamas

[2:20:05] perpetrators vowing to repeat these

[2:20:07] murderous actions again and again if

[2:20:09] given the opportunity.

[2:20:11] Tonight during our council meeting,

[2:20:12] there was a candlelight vigil taking

[2:20:14] place on the Hoboken waterfront. I

[2:20:16] attended a similar vigil three days

[2:20:18] after October 7, October 10, three years

[2:20:21] ago, organized by four local Hoboken

[2:20:23] moms and government, Governor Murphy and

[2:20:26] approximately a thousand members of our

[2:20:27] community gathered that night as a

[2:20:30] community in mourning and a community in

[2:20:32] shock. And I participated again at a

[2:20:35] similar waterfront vigil last year on

[2:20:37] October 7th. I want to acknowledge the

[2:20:40] third anniversary of October 7 and ask

[2:20:42] my colleagues and those gathered here

[2:20:44] today for a moment of silence for those

[2:20:46] whose lives were lost three years ago

[2:20:47] today.

[2:20:54] » Thank you, Counc.

[2:20:56] First, Phil, thank you

[2:20:58] for uh the words and it's a day of

[2:21:02] remembrance for all of us and day of

[2:21:03] mourning for all of us. So, I appreciate

[2:21:05] that. Um,

[2:21:08] let me let me start here with uh just a

[2:21:11] quick statement and I'd appreciate not

[2:21:14] being cut off or interrupted and I most

[2:21:16] certainly would appreciate not being

[2:21:18] disrespected like I was at the last

[2:21:19] council meeting. I have a few comments

[2:21:22] uh on a few different things.

[2:21:26] Uh first I want to talk about

[2:21:29] the corporation council sending a memo

[2:21:32] to this this council uh after we had a

[2:21:35] discussion

[2:21:37] in particular about a salary ordinance

[2:21:40] and how we pay our employees.

[2:21:45] Uh I asked for that memo. It was

[2:21:47] provided to the council and I thank you

[2:21:49] for providing that. Um, and corporation

[2:21:53] council, you you stand by everything you

[2:21:55] put in that memo, I'm assuming. Correct.

[2:22:04] » Yes. And um there's also another memo by

[2:22:07] outside counsel subject

[2:22:10] >> uh corporation council and I appreciate

[2:22:12] that and I think it was very apparent

[2:22:13] that I disagreed with that opinion and I

[2:22:16] made it very clear that I disagree with

[2:22:18] your opinion on that. Um,

[2:22:23] so

[2:22:25] I took it upon myself to follow guidance

[2:22:30] to introduce a resolution

[2:22:34] to wave privilege

[2:22:36] and I submitted that resolution in a

[2:22:39] timely manner to the city's clerk to the

[2:22:41] city clerk

[2:22:43] and when the agenda came out that

[2:22:46] resolution was removed from the agenda.

[2:22:49] It was a simple resolution just waving

[2:22:51] privilege so that not only this council

[2:22:55] could disclose that to other bodies and

[2:22:58] the public and it really didn't say much

[2:23:01] more than that

[2:23:03] and that was removed. So, I have

[2:23:06] questions about why that was removed

[2:23:09] because it was duly introduced and

[2:23:12] seconded

[2:23:13] in a timely manner and that was

[2:23:16] unilaterally removed from the agenda.

[2:23:19] And I'd like to know why that was and

[2:23:22] under what authority that was.

[2:23:27] Now, the only person who could remove

[2:23:29] something from the agenda without any

[2:23:32] question is the council president.

[2:23:36] So, council president, if that was your

[2:23:38] decision, I like to know that that was

[2:23:41] your decision because the excuse of

[2:23:47] well, there may be some legal concerns

[2:23:50] is not a valid excuse for removing

[2:23:54] something from the agenda. We have put

[2:23:56] resolutions and ordinances before this

[2:23:58] council

[2:24:00] when we have disagreed with the opinion

[2:24:02] of our corporation council and they were

[2:24:04] voted on. You every council member has

[2:24:07] the right to vote however they choose

[2:24:10] but they do not have the re the

[2:24:11] administration does not have the right

[2:24:14] to remove a resolution.

[2:24:18] >> I that was they did not remove it. I

[2:24:19] removed it.

[2:24:20] So I'll ask you council president

[2:24:24] what was your reasoning to remove that

[2:24:27] >> from the council agenda

[2:24:28] >> because I had legal concerns leading

[2:24:30] into it and I want more clarification

[2:24:31] which I requested for corporation

[2:24:32] council which I believe we received

[2:24:34] today

[2:24:34] >> and I and I appreciate that. However

[2:24:38] to me that's not a valid reason but

[2:24:41] we'll get to that.

[2:24:44] this second memo that we received today

[2:24:47] about the potential legality

[2:24:50] of

[2:24:53] the resolution that I put forward.

[2:24:56] My question to corporation council is

[2:25:01] who was wrong? Was it you, Corporation

[2:25:04] council, when you advised this council,

[2:25:07] that the only way to wave that privilege

[2:25:09] is through a resolution? Or is it the

[2:25:11] outside council that sent the memo

[2:25:13] today? Because in your original memo,

[2:25:17] and I'll read, and it's not disclosing

[2:25:19] any information. This is just a preamble

[2:25:21] of the council's confidential

[2:25:23] confidentiality notice. It says very

[2:25:26] clearly in that memo, and as you just

[2:25:28] stated, you stand by all of it. The

[2:25:32] Office of Corporation Council does not

[2:25:34] consent to the disclosure or

[2:25:36] dissemination of this confidential

[2:25:38] information and any disclosure or

[2:25:40] dissemination of this confidential

[2:25:42] information absent a resolution passed

[2:25:46] by the city council is authorized.

[2:25:50] So who was wrong? Was it you corporation

[2:25:53] council saying that we can wave

[2:25:55] privilege

[2:25:57] by a resolution or is it the outside

[2:26:00] council who has now informed us that we

[2:26:03] cannot unilaterally wave privilege?

[2:26:11] » I think you're pro I don't know where

[2:26:12] that language is coming from.

[2:26:14] >> It's coming from a memo from the office

[2:26:16] of corporation council that you

[2:26:18] distributed to the entire council. I

[2:26:21] didn't write that language. That's

[2:26:23] standard template language that you

[2:26:25] have.

[2:26:26] >> Sorry, your your name.

[2:26:28] >> You need to I'm speaking. I'm still

[2:26:30] speaking. So that is template language.

[2:26:33] >> And I appreciate I appreciate the

[2:26:36] respect.

[2:26:36] >> I'm still speaking. That is template

[2:26:39] language that this city has used for

[2:26:42] years. I didn't write it. And it's

[2:26:46] obviously based on the opinion that you

[2:26:49] receive today.

[2:26:50] it. You cannot wave the attorney client

[2:26:54] privilege with a resolution. The council

[2:26:57] doesn't have that authority under the

[2:26:59] Faulner act. And the reason that you

[2:27:02] cannot put thing you cannot put items on

[2:27:05] the agenda for to to authorize an action

[2:27:10] that you can't lawfully take and you

[2:27:13] don't have the authority. I'm still

[2:27:15] speaking.

[2:27:16] >> Excuse me. This is this is my time. I'm

[2:27:18] excuse me speaking. This is my time to

[2:27:22] ask when you come back.

[2:27:23] >> Excuse me. This is my time. With all due

[2:27:25] respect, now that's the second meeting

[2:27:27] that you've been disrespectful to me.

[2:27:29] That's the second time. Okay.

[2:27:33] The reality is that I have a broad

[2:27:37] number of ways that I could move

[2:27:40] forward.

[2:27:42] One, which is the simplest, is to ask to

[2:27:45] wave privilege, which by the way was

[2:27:47] probably not even necessary if all this

[2:27:50] council needed to do was add corporation

[2:27:52] counsel into a salary ordinance. And I'm

[2:27:54] sure there was five votes to do that.

[2:27:56] But it chose not to out of ignorance,

[2:27:59] out of arrogance, or out of spite.

[2:28:01] Whatever the decision is, it is. But we

[2:28:04] have multiple ways that we could do

[2:28:07] that. I could do it by a resolution to

[2:28:10] wave privilege. I could do it by filing

[2:28:12] an ethics complaint to the New Jersey

[2:28:14] State Bar. I could do it by invoking the

[2:28:18] council's broad authority as an

[2:28:20] investigative body with not only sworn

[2:28:24] testimony, but subpoena power.

[2:28:28] So, there are multiple ways that I could

[2:28:31] have broached this. I chose to do it the

[2:28:34] most simple and less aggressive way. But

[2:28:39] for whatever reason, this

[2:28:40] administration, this mayor, and whoever

[2:28:43] else is deciding to to die on this hill

[2:28:46] when all we needed to do was correct one

[2:28:50] simple thing, and it was to put the

[2:28:52] corporation council title into our

[2:28:54] salary ordinance and set that salary

[2:28:56] range so the mayor could choose between

[2:28:58] a salary range. That is it. That is all

[2:29:01] I wanted to do. And for whatever reason,

[2:29:08] we chose as a city not to do that.

[2:29:11] Councilman Cano made made a statement

[2:29:13] earlier and I I fully disagree with it.

[2:29:16] I don't think this city I don't think

[2:29:18] the city administration is being

[2:29:19] transparent at all. Transparency

[2:29:24] is not about making a cute video on

[2:29:26] Instagram.

[2:29:28] It's not about sending out an email to

[2:29:31] city council members about a ribbon

[2:29:33] cutting. It is not about touting on

[2:29:37] social media the fun events in the city

[2:29:39] of Hoboken. What transparency is really

[2:29:42] about

[2:29:44] is when someone disagrees with the

[2:29:46] determination of the administration,

[2:29:50] they open their books wide and far so

[2:29:54] that people could look at exactly what's

[2:29:56] going on.

[2:29:58] Transparency is not

[2:30:01] closing those books out of ignorance,

[2:30:04] out of arrogance or out of spite.

[2:30:08] And that is exactly what happened. So I

[2:30:11] will take whatever means necessary to

[2:30:13] make sure that the public knows exactly

[2:30:16] what is going on.

[2:30:19] That's my first point.

[2:30:21] My second point is I also asked for a

[2:30:25] memo pertaining to Grand Street. And now

[2:30:28] I get it. I've been around a long time.

[2:30:31] We slow rode that memo until October

[2:30:34] rolled around when the Grand Street

[2:30:36] pilot is now at its end.

[2:30:39] So my question to our business

[2:30:42] administrator is what is the plan now

[2:30:45] that the Grand Street pilot is at its

[2:30:48] end to start to revert that back

[2:30:52] so that we

[2:30:54] can get back to a normal life on Grand

[2:30:58] Street for the residents who have

[2:31:00] continued to complain about their

[2:31:01] quality of life. What is the plan and

[2:31:04] next steps so that we could revert it

[2:31:07] back?

[2:31:09] So the Grand Street pilot ends in early

[2:31:12] November. Um we are in the process of

[2:31:15] developing some public engagement for

[2:31:17] the remainder of this month. We're

[2:31:18] already collecting data. We will be

[2:31:20] evaluating that data and presenting that

[2:31:22] data publicly and then we will present

[2:31:25] to you recommendations really options

[2:31:28] right for for your review and

[2:31:30] consideration

[2:31:31] um for changes to the Grand Street

[2:31:35] pilot. Um, all of that will happen in

[2:31:38] early November

[2:31:40] >> as that is when the pilot ends.

[2:31:41] >> When was the resolution? I'm sorry. When

[2:31:46] did the administration last year start

[2:31:48] the pilot?

[2:31:49] >> November.

[2:31:51] >> Yes.

[2:31:51] >> No, they started in October.

[2:31:53] >> Started in October.

[2:31:54] >> It was before It was before election

[2:31:56] day.

[2:31:56] >> It was mid-occtober.

[2:31:58] >> It wasn't October 7th, but it was mid It

[2:32:00] was mid-occtober before election day.

[2:32:02] >> Okay. We can can certainly double check.

[2:32:04] former the former mayor um issued an

[2:32:07] executive order on October 7th

[2:32:09] >> issued it but then I went into

[2:32:10] >> but the pilot went into effect I believe

[2:32:12] November 18th

[2:32:13] >> there was never a pilot

[2:32:14] >> instructed

[2:32:15] >> there was never a time frame for the

[2:32:16] pilot it was just all headlines there

[2:32:18] was never a one-year there was ne

[2:32:20] literally never any parameters it was

[2:32:23] just a headline with no parameters and what has happened is the

[2:32:28] administration has has kind of said well

[2:32:32] we think the pilot should be one they're

[2:32:34] they've latched on to it and they're

[2:32:36] coming up with these dates and

[2:32:39] just I mean that's the fact pattern. So

[2:32:43] >> So for a vote in

[2:32:46] >> I mean the next there there should be

[2:32:47] something on the next agenda, right?

[2:32:50] There should be something on the next

[2:32:51] agenda in our transportation committee

[2:32:53] on this to eliminate this because I'm

[2:32:56] confident there are five votes on this

[2:32:58] council that will not support

[2:33:00] continuing. There may be more, but

[2:33:02] there's at least five votes that will

[2:33:03] not support continuing this bike lane in

[2:33:06] this area. And if it's costing the city

[2:33:08] money, we can take money out of the $45

[2:33:11] million that is sitting in the parking

[2:33:13] utilities, you know, account and do an

[2:33:16] emergency appropriation if we need to to

[2:33:18] pull it out, pay for it, and take it

[2:33:20] down. And we should just do it.

[2:33:21] >> I agree.

[2:33:25] >> And anything else is political, and it

[2:33:28] shouldn't be. And that leads me to my

[2:33:31] third and final point is Adam Street.

[2:33:37] When will the

[2:33:42] information from the survey be available

[2:33:44] to the council and when will the

[2:33:49] public meeting down in the third ward or

[2:33:52] fourth ward depending on the location?

[2:33:54] Um

[2:33:56] when will that be happening?

[2:33:58] So, I believe the survey is open through

[2:34:00] October 16th. Um, so we'll provide the

[2:34:03] data to the council shortly thereafter.

[2:34:06] And I don't believe the public meeting

[2:34:07] has been scheduled yet, but as soon as

[2:34:09] it is scheduled, I will certainly let

[2:34:11] the council know.

[2:34:14] » Okay. Thank you,

[2:34:16] >> Council President. Uh, Councilwoman

[2:34:18] Fischer, sorry.

[2:34:20] >> Yeah, just a couple quick things. Um, I

[2:34:22] think uh top of mind for a lot of people

[2:34:25] this week was the crash Friday night um

[2:34:29] where a car was going through um blew

[2:34:34] the stop sign at 15th and Hudson going

[2:34:36] north on Hudson uh turned left on 15th

[2:34:39] and just ran over a pedestrian. Um it's

[2:34:42] right outside my building in the middle

[2:34:44] of you know kind of the center of the

[2:34:46] second ward or the corner of the second

[2:34:47] w and it's been very jarring to my

[2:34:49] neighbors that you know go through that

[2:34:51] intersection every day but I think it's

[2:34:53] a lot of the feedback that I've received

[2:34:55] from people um citywide is this just a

[2:34:58] reminder that we have intersections all

[2:35:01] over the city where uh we you know

[2:35:05] people are just going through stop

[2:35:06] signs. Um just a quick update the woman

[2:35:08] was hospitalized with serious uh

[2:35:10] injuries. Thankfully, she has been

[2:35:12] released um and is recovering with

[2:35:15] family. I understand the dog is with her

[2:35:17] and with family um and just a lot of

[2:35:20] neighbors have, you know, reached out

[2:35:22] and um wanted to support. Um we had a

[2:35:26] like a town hall with neighbors last

[2:35:27] night uh that was scheduled literally

[2:35:30] two months ago, but with 15th Street

[2:35:32] Neighbors. Um the mayor came up and this

[2:35:34] was part of the conversation. And the

[2:35:36] good news is the administration

[2:35:38] announced a number of safety

[2:35:39] improvements at that intersection. Um

[2:35:42] just making adding, you know, immediate

[2:35:44] cheap and cheerful, immediately

[2:35:46] available um improvements like

[2:35:49] repainting the uh uh the crosswalks,

[2:35:52] putting in a flashing stop sign, re I

[2:35:55] don't remember what you called it, but

[2:35:56] like brighter um existing stop signs and

[2:35:59] some other um features. And um and we've

[2:36:02] also had a conversation about improving

[2:36:04] 15th Street. So 15th Street for

[2:36:07] everyone's benefit um has been if you go

[2:36:11] back to 2010,

[2:36:14] uh 15th Street's been identified

[2:36:16] continuously as one of the top three

[2:36:17] most dangerous streets in the city. So

[2:36:19] we're going to work on it. Um but I just

[2:36:22] want to thank the administration for

[2:36:24] responding so quickly, doing a review

[2:36:26] and and making these improvements um uh

[2:36:29] to what has been a very dangerous

[2:36:31] intersection. Um and then the other two

[2:36:33] things um is we have a new an up the

[2:36:37] next street closure which is Grove

[2:36:39] Street which is next week. Um and uh so

[2:36:44] we just you know need to be armed for

[2:36:46] that. That's going to be another five

[2:36:48] months of excitement in Southwest

[2:36:50] Hoboken. Uh the positive is

[2:36:54] it's a cumulative knowledge. Um most

[2:36:57] importantly, not cumulative on the work

[2:37:00] that's being done, but cumulative for

[2:37:02] all the work the administration's doing

[2:37:04] to manage traffic in the area. Um so we

[2:37:08] have a traffic consultant. Um, we have,

[2:37:11] similar to what we've done with other of

[2:37:12] the Southwest closures, just a lot of

[2:37:15] focus on making sure it flows. And I'm

[2:37:18] sure our council president will be uh

[2:37:20] giving immediate feedback as soon as

[2:37:22] that closure happens. Um, and then

[2:37:25] lastly, for anyone who's not yet aware,

[2:37:28] uh they're doing the second side of the

[2:37:31] portal bridge in Carney. Um and in order

[2:37:34] to do that they are rerouting all of the

[2:37:36] Midtown uh trains from various suburbs

[2:37:40] uh to Hoboken and that is starting

[2:37:42] Monday. Um I think we were all we

[2:37:45] thought it was Armageddon and the last

[2:37:46] time they did this it ended up not doing

[2:37:48] that because there were significantly

[2:37:50] more fairies etc that were brought to um

[2:37:54] that were brought downtown and were able

[2:37:56] to absorb all what they what they've

[2:37:58] said is almost 10,000 um additional

[2:38:00] passengers coming into the terminal. So

[2:38:02] that but that said be on the lookout

[2:38:04] that we we still will expect some um you

[2:38:08] know just some challenges in Hoboken

[2:38:10] while that's happening.

[2:38:12] >> Thank you Council President Zano.

[2:38:13] >> Yeah. So

[2:38:17] I I spent a lot of time this weekend uh

[2:38:20] reading in court cases and kind of in

[2:38:25] understanding of putting forth the

[2:38:28] resolution with Councilman Russo. Uh,

[2:38:33] I spend quite I think your wife yelled

[2:38:37] at me for reading so much cuz I wasn't

[2:38:39] paying attention or she thought I was

[2:38:40] screwing around on the phone. um to

[2:38:43] understand whether

[2:38:48] the

[2:38:50] question in hand of salary ordinance

[2:38:52] with the position and not even about the

[2:38:56] memo whether it was okay to ask about a

[2:38:58] memo being uh uh produced for the public

[2:39:01] that we were given you know basically

[2:39:03] attorney client privilege to the

[2:39:04] council. So I was more asking on the

[2:39:06] salary ordinance. So I went over and over and I kept all the

[2:39:10] different codes in the state. The state

[2:39:12] had to correct itself which you educated

[2:39:14] us last time which or I think even in

[2:39:16] the memo um uh not in the memo in the in

[2:39:20] the um uh I'm getting myself confused in

[2:39:25] what I read over the weekend. So the

[2:39:27] state had to correct itself because

[2:39:29] there was a court case actually I think

[2:39:30] out of Hudson County that changed some

[2:39:32] things. So what powers it gave to the

[2:39:35] mayor? One of my main's concerns was

[2:39:37] does our law overstep the boundaries

[2:39:39] with state law? And my concern there was

[2:39:44] uh and the reason one of the reasons why

[2:39:46] I kind of thought about this was the

[2:39:49] court case that just took place in

[2:39:50] Jersey City about rent control. And I

[2:39:52] got really scared because

[2:39:54] is is there some implications here where

[2:39:57] state law is trumping our law and how

[2:39:59] many of our laws internally uh or in

[2:40:02] town of Hoboken conflict with state law.

[2:40:05] Now when Councilman Russo had asked me

[2:40:07] to join him on this uh to release it I I

[2:40:11] kind of read again this is me. I didn't

[2:40:14] [snorts] see anything really secret.

[2:40:18] That's my personal opinion. And so when

[2:40:20] he asked for my support in it, I

[2:40:22] thought, okay, why not? But the reason

[2:40:25] why I thought that was because in the

[2:40:29] letter or the email that I had asked for

[2:40:31] kind of some kind of explanation, and I

[2:40:32] think Councilman Russo asked as well,

[2:40:35] that it was a the it was in

[2:40:38] determination of what the city council

[2:40:41] asked corporation council, not the

[2:40:44] administration asking corporation

[2:40:46] council. So I said this was really a

[2:40:49] guidance for us. So I said why wouldn't

[2:40:52] we have the ability then to allow that

[2:40:55] to the public which again I don't think

[2:40:56] there's anything really secret in there

[2:40:58] but that's a personal opinion. Now I'd

[2:41:01] like to just these are just some

[2:41:02] statements

[2:41:04] >> major points we saw the other memos

[2:41:06] today. I get it. I just want to bring

[2:41:08] another point up and

[2:41:12] historically since I've sat in this

[2:41:14] seat.

[2:41:16] We get confidential memos

[2:41:20] right before a council meeting and many

[2:41:22] [snorts] of us are trying to balance our

[2:41:23] daily lives or our families or our

[2:41:25] children and there is not enough time to

[2:41:27] read it. And I would like to bring up

[2:41:28] this point because Councilman Cohen took

[2:41:31] a shot at Councilwoman Fiser saying that

[2:41:35] um the speed of the noise ordinance or

[2:41:37] you didn't talk to anybody and you

[2:41:39] didn't really make a conversation there.

[2:41:41] So, Phil, I hope you can agree with me

[2:41:44] on this. We got the second memo today at

[2:41:48] 6:03 p.m.

[2:41:50] 27 minutes before we had a close

[2:41:53] session. The other ruling that came in

[2:41:56] from outside council was 4:36 in the

[2:41:59] day.

[2:42:01] Now [snorts]

[2:42:02] trying to balance a family, get here and

[2:42:05] do everything else you have to do before

[2:42:06] a council meeting because you got to

[2:42:08] compact everything before you get here.

[2:42:10] That doesn't leave much time to actually

[2:42:13] read through this. If

[2:42:16] now if

[2:42:18] I would have known I mean Friday we got

[2:42:22] letters that this wasn't going to be on

[2:42:23] the agenda. I figured let me get myself

[2:42:26] prepared read all weekend

[2:42:29] thinking that if there was going to be

[2:42:31] any issues that there would be some kind

[2:42:32] of uh somebody would give me a memo from

[2:42:35] somewhere else cuz I think the

[2:42:36] administration had said that they were

[2:42:37] looking at outside questions as well

[2:42:40] just so everything was on the up and up.

[2:42:42] However, dropping that at

[2:42:44] 6:03 and 4:30 in the afternoon kind of

[2:42:48] just just it sucks

[2:42:51] because I didn't really have a chance to

[2:42:53] delve into the second one and then

[2:42:55] spending the whole weekend. I mean, I

[2:42:57] honest six to 10 hours I spent of

[2:42:59] reading. I feel like I know this this

[2:43:02] salary ordinance back and forth, but it

[2:43:05] goes back to, you know, you got to give

[2:43:07] us some extra time, especially on and there's it's not just this one.

[2:43:10] There's other ones that you guys drop

[2:43:12] very close to the meeting for us to get

[2:43:14] our hands for us to make decisions on

[2:43:16] this council. We need to have a little

[2:43:17] bit more time and that's all I'm asking.

[2:43:19] I'm not complaining. Whatever has

[2:43:21] happened is water under the bridge. It

[2:43:23] rulings are rulings. However, that you

[2:43:26] got to give us more time to allow us to

[2:43:29] read it cuz I I'm not going to ask for a

[2:43:31] show of hands on this council of who

[2:43:32] read it, but I was struggling to get

[2:43:35] from my house to here to sit on this

[2:43:39] deis for the closed session and read and

[2:43:41] digest everything in that second uh

[2:43:44] confidential memo. I would ask that the

[2:43:47] administration

[2:43:49] when we go to outside counsel or we get

[2:43:50] some kind of ruling uh or some feedback

[2:43:53] that we kind of put a deadline in maybe

[2:43:56] the day before because

[2:43:59] it doesn't allow us as the people who

[2:44:03] make decisions in this city on laws and certain outcomes by our votes that I

[2:44:10] don't have enough time in 27 minutes to

[2:44:12] digest it and then make a decision. So

[2:44:15] all I ask is in the future that we can

[2:44:17] have some kind of unless it's an

[2:44:18] absolute emergency that this stuff is

[2:44:21] released to us with ample time for us to

[2:44:24] read so that we can better understand

[2:44:26] and do our jobs better here. Thank you,

[2:44:29] Council President.

[2:44:30] >> Um

[2:44:31] >> thank you, President. Uh just a a few

[2:44:33] things. First, I my in my practice of

[2:44:36] law, the attorney client privilege is

[2:44:37] something that I deal with regularly.

[2:44:40] And just with respect to Councilman

[2:44:42] President Zano about the privilege, it

[2:44:44] doesn't need to be secret for it to be

[2:44:46] privileged. The the the what is

[2:44:48] privileged or when there's a

[2:44:49] confidential request for legal advice

[2:44:51] that's rendered,

[2:44:53] the communications, the request for the

[2:44:55] privilege is privileged and the response

[2:44:57] is privileged and who can wave that

[2:45:00] privilege as a question of law. And

[2:45:02] today we got a memo and I happened to to

[2:45:04] read it, but you know, I don't think it

[2:45:05] really would matter too much for

[2:45:07] tonight's meeting, but if you want to

[2:45:09] follow up with me about it, I'm more

[2:45:10] than happy to talk to you about the case

[2:45:11] law. And because I I understood and I I

[2:45:13] did read it on the path on the way out,

[2:45:16] but it does not have to be like, you

[2:45:18] know, the nuclear code,

[2:45:20] >> uh, you know, like the the Coca-Cola

[2:45:22] formula

[2:45:23] >> to be turning client privilege. If if if

[2:45:27] the council makes a request for legal

[2:45:29] advice, it's rendered back. it needs to

[2:45:31] be treated as confidential for uh the

[2:45:35] sanctity of the attorney client

[2:45:36] privilege itself. So that I just want to

[2:45:38] say that.

[2:45:38] >> Okay. Thank you.

[2:45:39] >> Um

[2:45:41] just want to follow up on one thing with

[2:45:42] respect to the Grove Street closure. Uh

[2:45:44] it 5 months is a long time, but I just

[2:45:47] want to say with respect to Ruben and

[2:45:49] the others uh on on your end of town,

[2:45:51] Paul, uh when we had our meeting with uh

[2:45:55] the folks on Rebuild by Design, they

[2:45:57] said that unlike like the Jersey Avenue

[2:45:59] closure where it was going to be for a

[2:46:00] short period of time and it got longer

[2:46:02] and longer and longer. They feel pretty

[2:46:05] confident that this time the five months

[2:46:07] estimate is more realistic because they

[2:46:09] did more test pitting before and they

[2:46:11] found a lot of the uh I wouldn't call

[2:46:14] them booby traps, but the unknown things

[2:46:16] that were underground that they didn't

[2:46:18] find initially when they did the Jersey

[2:46:21] Avenue closure that makes them feel more

[2:46:23] confident that this estimate is actually

[2:46:25] realistic. So, it's a long time, but

[2:46:27] they're not anticipating uh additional

[2:46:29] delays. Um, and and ju just one thing I

[2:46:33] think just for my colleagues, I mean, I hear Councilman Russo's frustration

[2:46:37] about uh about what he feels is

[2:46:39] inconsistent advice, but I I really do

[2:46:42] urge him and my colleagues to follow the

[2:46:44] advice of our lawyer. I I think we found

[2:46:47] out today on the on the ordinance that

[2:46:49] we had to repeal because we didn't

[2:46:51] listen to our corporation council that

[2:46:53] it's a good idea to do that. And I'm not

[2:46:55] saying it's not frustrating. I do, but I

[2:46:58] do think that there's a reason why we

[2:47:00] have a corporation council and it's a

[2:47:02] best practice to follow the advice of

[2:47:03] our council. I just, you know, so I'm so so I just think that there there is

[2:47:10] >> there's risk that we take on

[2:47:14] by not following our lawyer's advice and and I'm not saying you don't feel

[2:47:18] agrieved and it's not legit. Okay? But

[2:47:20] I'm just I just want to just kind of put

[2:47:22] out there that there are reasons why

[2:47:24] people hire lawyers. There's a reason

[2:47:26] why people seek advice from counsel and

[2:47:29] when they get that advice, it's

[2:47:31] generally a best practice to follow

[2:47:34] corporate advice and you're entitled to

[2:47:35] a full explanation and and and and trust

[2:47:39] and it is possible that we might need to

[2:47:41] go into a closed session for you to get

[2:47:42] all the answers because it may be that

[2:47:44] the answer is confidential. I I don't

[2:47:46] know. But I I'm just I just Yeah,

[2:47:50] >> the only reason I wanted it waved is so

[2:47:51] I could get a second opinion on that.

[2:47:54] >> I understand. That's what I I wanted to

[2:47:55] send to DCA and I wanted to send it to

[2:47:57] the League of Municipalities so that I

[2:47:59] could get an opinion on what that looks

[2:48:01] like.

[2:48:02] >> And I don't think anyone's telling you

[2:48:03] that you can't. I'm sorry.

[2:48:04] >> I don't think anyone's telling you you

[2:48:06] can't do that.

[2:48:06] >> Of course. I How do I How do I refer to

[2:48:09] a memo if it's confidential and I can't

[2:48:10] share that with the League of

[2:48:11] Municipalities or the DCA?

[2:48:13] >> The the intent is not.

[2:48:15] >> But so then the other thing I just

[2:48:18] wanted to say is uh one infrastructure

[2:48:21] thing, your separate issue. Uh the 15th

[2:48:24] street 15th and park parking garage is

[2:48:27] open. Uh it is well used. It's well lit.

[2:48:31] It's striped. Uh it hourly parking is

[2:48:34] available for people who are have their

[2:48:36] kids playing at the the fields over at

[2:48:39] the 15th and 16th. Those leagues that

[2:48:42] are out there. People are are enjoying

[2:48:45] that lot. Uh and there's also I believe

[2:48:47] there still may be some monthly spots

[2:48:48] available. So, if you're you live uptown

[2:48:51] and you're looking for a parking lot,

[2:48:54] it's um $200 a month, which is below

[2:48:57] market and uh revenues go to the city.

[2:49:00] So, anyway, uh

[2:49:02] >> they did a great

[2:49:03] >> not yet.

[2:49:04] >> They did a great job with that parking

[2:49:06] lot.

[2:49:06] >> We're taking our We're not yielding our

[2:49:07] time yet.

[2:49:09] >> We're not Pat, we don't do that to you,

[2:49:12] Pat. the the the one thing about being

[2:49:15] on the city council a long time uh

[2:49:17] benefit is that you've have the

[2:49:20] privilege and the honor of seeing a lot

[2:49:21] of things. So when I saw Councilman

[2:49:24] Russo, I've seen it before and knew the

[2:49:27] answer to the question already about

[2:49:28] should it be allowed to the public with

[2:49:30] attorney privilege being allowed or not

[2:49:31] being allowed. We've had this question

[2:49:33] answered before in the past, so I kind

[2:49:35] of like already knew [snorts] uh where

[2:49:37] that would lead to. So I just wanted to

[2:49:39] avoid those situations, have this

[2:49:40] conversation here tonight. uh open but

[2:49:43] not open and then move it forward from there how you want to get that

[2:49:46] information the proper way the

[2:49:48] municipality we got to do that together

[2:49:49] we could do that but uh to have a

[2:49:51] resolution out there where I've seen it

[2:49:53] before with council we serve with other

[2:49:55] council members council Mason had a lot

[2:49:56] of things like this uh specifically so

[2:49:59] we kind of knew where this was going or I knew how that was going just want

[2:50:04] to like move that ahead and work with

[2:50:06] you and everyone else whoever needs to

[2:50:07] get to the right place so you have your

[2:50:08] information and going in the right

[2:50:10] direction and I just want to talk to

[2:50:12] council Fischer mentioned it and

[2:50:14] mentioned it. a little more tight up the

[2:50:16] timelines when it's starting when it's

[2:50:18] ending what work's happening in the next

[2:50:20] I know council tus give me like a quick

[2:50:22] two-minute synopsis if she can

[2:50:24] >> at the Grove Street

[2:50:26] >> Gonzalez will

[2:50:28] uh yeah so ju just to start um obviously

[2:50:31] there's a lot of construction in Hoboken

[2:50:33] we have really tried to improve

[2:50:35] information flow on that construction so

[2:50:38] um for the latest and greatest updates I

[2:50:40] would encourage all of our uh residents

[2:50:42] to go to hoboken andj.gov/construction

[2:50:43] /construction. You can get the latest on

[2:50:46] a weekly basis. We update that um every

[2:50:49] Friday so that upcoming week you know

[2:50:51] what's happening. Um Councilman Fischer

[2:50:54] referenced the portal bridge

[2:50:55] construction um that is slated to uh

[2:51:00] occur from October 11th through November

[2:51:02] 16th and it's just going to result in

[2:51:03] additional volume in in Hoboken

[2:51:05] Terminal. With regards to dates for um

[2:51:09] Rebuild by Design and Grove Street,

[2:51:11] again, this is very tentative because um

[2:51:13] all dates are subject to change based on

[2:51:15] weather. Um but at the current moment,

[2:51:18] they are scheduled to start on October

[2:51:20] 13th. That would be actually a six-month

[2:51:23] closure, just to clarify. I think 5

[2:51:24] months was was said a few times tonight.

[2:51:26] So, just it is a six-month closure. Um

[2:51:28] there are a variety of um maintenance

[2:51:31] and protection of traffic measures that

[2:51:33] will be in place for that closure.

[2:51:35] similar to Jersey app. We'll have

[2:51:36] real-time monitoring of the uh traffic

[2:51:39] conditions and we will uh adjust timing

[2:51:41] as needed. Um in addition, we have uh

[2:51:46] some good news on the um Hudson Place

[2:51:49] front. Hudson Place is slated to open on

[2:51:51] October 19th. Um however at the on that

[2:51:55] same date um Hudson Street between

[2:51:58] Observer Highway and uh uh Hudson Place

[2:52:02] will close um for approximately a month

[2:52:04] beginning on October 19th. Um in

[2:52:07] addition, Jersey City is also slated to

[2:52:09] pave uh Jersey Avenue between 14th and

[2:52:12] 18th Street um overnight uh starting on

[2:52:15] October 19th. Um that's a few nights of

[2:52:18] work. So that's it in the south. Um and

[2:52:21] then um I think a few council members

[2:52:23] referenced Rebuild by Design uh and

[2:52:25] their their closures. There was a

[2:52:27] Rebuild by Design meeting last week.

[2:52:29] That presentation is available is uh

[2:52:31] posted on their website and has much

[2:52:33] more information on the actual traffic

[2:52:35] routing. Um and I think as as Councilman

[2:52:38] Fischer noted, uh uh end of November is

[2:52:40] hopefully the target for opening 14th

[2:52:43] Street. So

[2:52:45] >> motion to close.

[2:52:45] >> Appreciate it.

[2:52:46] >> Thank you.

[2:52:49] Good night everybody.

[2:52:50] >> Everyone appreciate it. Thank you.

[2:53:01] » You know what I say? Why do it two hours

[2:53:03] when you can do it in three hours?

[2:53:13] » Want to get dinner? Quiet.

OCTOBER 7, 2026 HOBOKEN CITY COUNCIL MEETING

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