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Of our local building authority.
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So we'll proceed.
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Oh I I see a flag inbound.
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As we speak.
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We can do normal procedure it looks like.
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There it comes.
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Thank you for the.
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I think that's.
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Left side of the.
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Always turn this way.
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Post colors.
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I hope it all stay up there, yeah.
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We don't pledge allegiance to that one anyway.
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All right.
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Video some repair work on that one.
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OK.
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We'll call the meeting of the City Council to order. As always, let's rise and we'll.
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The Pledge of Allegiance.
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I pledge allegiance to the flag.
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Of the United States of America.
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And to the Republic for which it stands.
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One nation under God.
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Indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
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OK, welcome to.
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City Hall West.
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Or Holiday in Mill Creek. That sounds like a Marilyn Monroe movie title.
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And let's proceed with.
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Item number three, public comment.
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If you wish to address the Council, we invite you to do so. Just come up to the podium, state your name and address.
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Please keep your comments to 3 minutes if you can, or less.
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Oh no, no, this is a regular City Council meeting.
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And then we'll.
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I think.
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We are doing LBA first.
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I thought we'd just do like through #4 and then go to LBA.
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But.
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LBA OK.
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OK, so let's do LBA then.
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Which is also public comment.
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OK, so the the LBA is our local building authority.
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And the LBA, just like our RDA board, consists of the City Council.
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The LBA boards.
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Mandate is to manage the.
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The building authority for the project.
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That's going on.
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Other City Hall.
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But for this meeting as well, we have public comment.
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You can make them now.
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Or when we this meeting should be pretty quick if you'd rather have your public comment and be part of regular City Council
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meeting.
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Meeting that'll be probably in about.
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4 minutes.
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So that said.
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For the local building authority meeting.
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Public comment is open.
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Are there any who wish to address the local building authority?
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Seeing none, we'll close public comment.
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And move to item number 3.
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Of the LBA agenda.
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Public hearing.
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On the fiscal year 202526 budget amendments.
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So we'll open the public hearing.
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On the budget.
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Amendments. Uh.
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Are there any here to address?
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Of the Council with regard to.
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Budget amendments for the local building authority.
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Shocking.
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OK, seeing none, we'll close the public hearing on the LBA budget amendments.
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And move to item number 4 resolution.
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Adopting the budget amendments.
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Is there any discussion?
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Or, umm.
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Christian, did you need to address that?
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Good evening, Mayor and Council. This is a very straightforward amendment. It is just recognizing the fact that.
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The 2025.
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LBA budget, we issued 2025 bonds for the project and this is just us recognizing the transfer in.
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From the general fund and then also the expense of the debt service for interest for that 2025 bond.
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The 2026 debt service payment will be roughly.
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Double this, maybe a little more, but this is just for a portion of the year that is.
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That we had the bond.
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For 2026.
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Any questions?
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Any comments or questions? Otherwise, I'm happy to take a motion.
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Mr. Mayor, motion that we approve.
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Can you pull that up?
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Stephanie, so we can get the number on that?
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LBA Resolution.
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202601.
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2nd.
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OK, we have a motion and a second.
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Let's go to roll combo with the.
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Member.
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Of course, one of our direct director right, our trustee.
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OK.
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Trustee Sewell.
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Yes.
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And Trustee.
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Yes.
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And.
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Trustee Bradley.
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Yes.
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Trustee Quinn? Yes. Trustee Gray.
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Yes.
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And share votes yes.
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Thank you.
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All right, item number 5.
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Regarding the minutes of the LBA for September 8th and October 2nd and November 6th.
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Happy to take a motion.
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Mayor, I approve.
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I move for the approval of the minutes.
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Of September 18th, October 2nd and November 6th.
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2025.
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2nd I have a motion to a second.
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All those in favor.
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Aye.
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Any opposed?
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Thank you very much. The minutes are approved.
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And I'll need a motion to adjourn and.
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And then also to reconvene in a City Council meeting.
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So.
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Second. OK, all in favor.
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Aye, any opposed?
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Like you were adjourned and reconvened in a City Council meeting.
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And now what you've been waiting for, I think perhaps.
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We'll go to item number 3, which is public comment.
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Please.
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If you wish to make.
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Comment to the Council. Please come to the podium with your name and address and.
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Let us know what's on your mind.
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Oh yes, Trudy is here from the library please.
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That was how it's done.
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I'm Trudy from the library.
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I just wanted to let you know, the tax season's over. Yay. And we had, we made just short of 900 appointments for people to have
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help with their taxes at the library. So that was awesome. Wow.
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Tomorrow.
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We will have an.
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In conjunction with America 250 celebrations, we're going to be doing oral history, so we'll have our sound studio set up.
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People can come in with their own memory device, like a thumb drive.
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And we'll have staff there and available to help them record their own oral history if they would like to. And if tomorrow doesn't
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work for people then?
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Just make an appointment with a librarian and we'll be happy to help.
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On the 29th of April, we're going to have an all abilities activity at 10:30 in the morning.
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There will be crafts.
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And bingo for adults and teens with intellectual disabilities.
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Um and then on May 1st.
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At 10:15 there's going to be a Dia de Los Ninos Y libros.
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Face painting treats.
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Lots of fun.
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And then on Monday, May 4th.
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From 3:00 to 5:00 will be Maker Monday and you can come in and make your own monster bookmark.
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In our space.
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And that's what's going on at the library right now. Do you have any questions?
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That's for me. Thank you so much.
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Thank you.
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Public comment remains open.
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For any wish to address the Council.
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Good evening.
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Hi, Tom Sharlow.
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3930 S. 3030 E.
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We spoke with you I think a couple of months ago.
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About the.
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Difficulty we had with the previous season's fireworks that were exploding all over our.
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Cul-de-sac with the high winds that we're experiencing.
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It was a.
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It was not a fun night.
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I realized at the time, and we've been told since there's things that we could have done to possibly prevent it, like.
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Stand there with a sprinkler.
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Pointed.
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At the fireworks.
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But we just want to make it very clear that.
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These fireworks that have been legal.
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I guess five years or so now.
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Or just have no place in our neighborhoods.
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They create circumstances where one neighbor fears for their house and the other neighbor.
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Thinks it's a great thing.
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As we mentioned before, we had.
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Hundreds of thousands of sparks that you could hear landing on our.
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On our roof.
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Against our windows.
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We had high winds that night which made.
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Way more inappropriate than it already was.
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We just want to.
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Continue to.
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State our feelings about this.
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Frankly, I think if the.
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If the people that made those fireworks.
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Weren't maybe involved in.
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Trying to.
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Have more?
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Business with.
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With our neighbors.
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You know, you see these.
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Huge tents set up.
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For the whole month of July, if not more.
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Selling these.
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So what I will say about fireworks. One more thing though is that.
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The fireworks that we did have before these.
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Nearly professional level.
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Fireworks, uh.
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Were put upon us.
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By our legislature, I believe.
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The fireworks that we had before that were.
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Were fairly benign.
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The little kids they.
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They enjoy lighting them off and they would go up maybe 6 to 10 feet.
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And that's it.
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The ones that we see now.
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Are fully in the sky.
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And they're just very inappropriate in neighbors.
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In neighborhoods especially.
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With the drought we're experiencing.
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With.
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The fire that took place.
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Around July 4th.
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In Mill Creek.
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Which was?
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Tragic for so many people.
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Anyway, thank you very much.
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We appreciate what you do.
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Thank you.
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OK, public comment remains open. Anyone else?
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OK. Thank you. We'll close public comment.
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And proceed to item number 4.
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Regarding the parking agreement adjacent Spring Lane.
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Did we have a?
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Any staff report or any other comments or?
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We don't have a staff report.
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Or if you have questions though, we'd be happy to answer them.
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And I know that we've had discussions about this is the the parking agreement.
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Between the LDS church.
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Adjacent to Spring Lane.
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And our opportunity to.
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To continue that.
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Agreement that the Granite School District had.
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With that church building.
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That agreement is now being extended to the city.
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As the city has now acquired that property, of course, for the development of.
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There was an issue that.
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I presume was resolved adequately with regard to it was a liability or a.
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Indemnification that there was.
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Over overstepped a bit and.
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But we've got that resolved, apparently.
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OK.
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I don't have any further questions. Anyone else have any questions or concerns?
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OK. Otherwise I'm happy to take a motion.
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Stephanie, can we go back?
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Get that number.
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Mr. Mayor.
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OK, Mr. Mayor, motion that we approve resolution.
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2026-10.
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2nd.
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OK. Is that adequate?
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Just with the number. OK, very good.
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OK, Thanks very much, Councilmember Gray.
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Yes, Councilmember Quinn.
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Yes. Councilmember Bradley, Yes, Councilmember Durham, yes. And Councillor Sunbol, Yes.
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And share votes. Yes. Thank you.
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OK, let's proceed to City Manager report. Thanks.
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It's a much longer walk to get over here than it is in our regular building.
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Good evening, Mayor and Council.
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I have.
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Actually, mainly good news to share tonight.
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1st, I want to alert all of you to a conversation that several staff.
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And I had.
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This afternoon with representatives from.
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Udot.
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Who told us that we are. We have been prioritized.
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Our trail project along 215 from 23rd East.
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To Highland Dr. has been prioritized as part of the Utah Trail Network.
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For the next.
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State fiscal year, so for fiscal year 2627.
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That will be submitted as a recommendation from the staff level to the Transportation Commission.
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And we're looking for approval of that funding recommendation by the end of June.
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If that recommendation is successful, design could start as early as.
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This summer.
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On that section of trail.
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The funding that is would support that project is a little different. You may recall that we applied unsuccessfully for funding.
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For that same stretch through WFRC.
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That section would have that opportunity would have required a match.
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On the cities part.
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This funding source would require no match.
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There are some project expenses that they may consider a betterment that we may.
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Wish to provide ourselves but that will all be sorted out in the design process.
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Since that's one of our trail priorities, that seems like.
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Really good news, and we'll keep you posted on that process as it works its way through the Transportation Commission.
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And then as we.
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Hopefully can get started.
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Later this summer.
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And you said from Highland Drive to 2300, we're doing that section first, OK, Yep.
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That's the section that they have prioritized.
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Honestly, based on our application to the WFRC.
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And this is.
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Does this tie into the?
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Potential design of.
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Path bottom of the highland.
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How I'm thinking of a different?
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It is a different one. This is a long 215. Eventually would like that to tie to Canuteson Park on the east and Big Cottonwood
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Trail.
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And then eventually tie into a trail network that would.
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Provide access to Wheeler Farm.
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And also.
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Cottonwood Heights is proposing a section of trail that would.
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Across 215.
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And then go into their community as well.
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So that is exciting news.
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Wanted to make the council aware that Holly and Sean Tierlink and I had a.
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Really good meeting with staff representatives from Senator.
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Curtis's office a few weeks ago.
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To lay the groundwork as we apply for additional potential federal funding for Highland Drive.
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We'll see how that goes.
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Speaking of.
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Federal funding.
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As you probably all know, we are in your mark is.
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Still being held.
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And we'll see where that ends up.
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I am no longer.
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Optimistic about it as a source of funding for our project.
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But we'll see.
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Last night we had what I would characterize as a really successful open house for the Spring Lane project.
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We had a great turn out, I would say in excess of.
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40 ish people.
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Lots of.
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Passionate ideas.
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Divergent positions, but lots of really great energy from the crowd.
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And you'll have an opportunity to talk about.
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The feedback that they provided and then some further direction next week.
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There's a couple of leftover items from the Legislature.
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Having to do with.
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State holidays.
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One thing that.
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I had missed in the session is that the legislature did a.
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Approve the alignment of Juneteenth.
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With the federal holiday.
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So.
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Going forward, it will always be I.
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June 19th.
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And our employee manual.
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Reflects we'll do whatever the state does.
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So don't know who.
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Change there.
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The state also approved an additional holiday.
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For state employees.
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For Good Friday.
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Although, uh.
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It looks like it will only be 1/2 day holiday. I want to find out a little bit more about what the state is recommending there.
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And then?
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Bring that to you as an issue for your consideration whether you want to align our.
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Our employee handbook with that guidance.
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Or not. That'll be a decision for you.
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And then finally, I just wanted to recognize.
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We're here in this new building.
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Of a very successful move.
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And I want to publicly thank everyone who.
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Help to make that possible.
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All of our staff really contributed, but I want to highlight a couple of folks, especially we had a.
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Move team that was led by Joel.
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Joe Bolton.
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He really did a heavy lift.
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Stephanie Carlson coordinated.
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Utilities Tech.
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Internet service and appreciate the effort that they did.
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Lena, John.
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Christian and Holly.
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Not forgetting anyone. That's the tube, right? Oh, and me.
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We were the group that coordinated with that.
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And on the court side, both Kaylin Olsen and Judge Chen were here on Thursday.
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Doing a lot of packing and moving as well.
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So appreciate everyone really coming together to make this happen and we're happy to be here. And.
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Can't wait to go home.
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Any questions for me?
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Well, I just after what you said, I mean, I witnessed a fair amount of this moving and it really was a tremendous project.
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And with a lot of work and.
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The fact that you know you're loading up.
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Truck Friday night at 6:00-ish up there.
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And to see the state.
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That we are in now to have our first Council meeting so quickly after the beginning of that move.
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I mean, it's one week and we're.
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This is the result of one week.
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In terms of the move.
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But yeah, tremendous effort.
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I thought that Joe and the team.
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Really.
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Well, the proof is.
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That we're here and.
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Having a council meeting.
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We're in a great facility and.
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We got a great deal so.
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Kudos to you and the staff.
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OK, let's proceed with council reports. How about down at this end?
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Remember Greg, this morning I had the opportunity to visit with.
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The Bonneville Junior High Community Council.
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As a follow up from their meeting before there's real concern at Bonneville.
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The community.
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Tasked with approving the safe walking route and one of the safe walking routes for Bonneville.
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Says that it's safe for students unsupervised to cross.
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The intersection of his 5600 S and Van Winkle, which is A5 lane.
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Road we're.
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Cars are going.
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I mean, limited at 50 miles an hour, they're often going.
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More than that, you have a lot of very young drivers getting into Cottonwood High School.
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Something that I was made aware of in this meeting is that there are 270 students that attend Bonneville.
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That live.
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On the other side of that intersection.
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So the community council did not approve the safe walking route.
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Not that that really has.
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Any long term consequences? But they're really looking at.
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What we can do to make that?
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Routes safer for students?
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And reduce the congestion of driving in the neighborhood if we can make it more safe, because most parents end up just driving
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their kids.
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So one of the things that they're requesting from Holiday City is.
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To work with Murray City and get.
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Some crossing guards.
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They're, I mean, they want, they would love an elevated footpath and I thought that was a little too heavy lift.
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But I think looking at getting crossing guards.
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Where we split the costs with Murray City.
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Is something that I think we.
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Could really look into it. It really is not a safe intersection.
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For these kids.
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For all of the reasons that I mentioned, is that something that I would?
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Love it it's that we we could look into as a city and.
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And obviously work with Murray City to.
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What the costs on that?
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I don't have anything tonight.
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OK. That's member Bradley.
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I don't have anything tonight.
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Councilmember Durham.
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Just a reminder about our Harvard.
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Day event on a week from Friday at.
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Wasatch, Waldorf School.
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That's all.
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Council.
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I don't have anything.
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OK, I'll have one thing I'll defer to Councilmember Gray if you wanted to chat about.
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Chief Widdison of the HOA.
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Oh yes.
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So Chief Woodson and I had the opportunity to.
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Speak at the.
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Canyon Cove, HOA.
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About.
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The issues.
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With Holiday City directly.
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Relating to that particular neighborhood.
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And I talked a lot about Gina's excellent work.
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And ongoing work with UDOT and all other parties and trying to.
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Come to a more permanent resolution for the care of the park and ride that has.
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That deteriorated then. They were very grateful.
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For that.
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And also for our help in dealing with.
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A lot of the deaths that they were seeing from the construction site.
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Blowing directly into their neighborhood, Chief Woodson then also talked about.
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The WUI map and how that affects their neighborhood is very good at.
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Addressing their concerns and kind of helping them understand.
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What? Umm.
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What it means and what it doesn't mean as far as.
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For them so.
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Appreciate his efforts.
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Appreciate.
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Captain for setting that up and I think it was a good event.
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Great. OK. And all my items have already been talked about, so.
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I have nothing beyond that so.
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I'll go ahead and take a motion to.
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Recess and reconvene.
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So moved.
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Second, all in favor?
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Aye.
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Any opposed?
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OK, we are in a work meeting.
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Do you want us to stay in the seats we're in or are we moving seats or?
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Stay right.
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OK, very good.
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All right, first item up.
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Is it Captain Dan? Are you doing this next part?
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OK, you're up.
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All right. Good evening, Mayor and Council, and thanks for having me.
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For a little UFA 101.
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So this is the first time I've done this one.
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So we'll see how it goes and hopefully it's not it's not too boring.
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So we'll start we.
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Clear the slides. Period.
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I guess we'll give it a second.
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I sent it to you.
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Oh, there he.
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OK. We'll start there. So just as the summary, we'll go to that second slide. So unified Fire authority.
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Where the where the state's largest fire department with almost 700 personnel and we have 26 stations.
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Ranging all the way from Immigration Canyon.
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All the way down to Eagle Mountain. Eagle Mountains the the lone city that we serve in in Utah County.
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The City of Holiday.
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Is to be a member of UFA.
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You can either be.
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A direct member, which the City of Holiday is, along with Riverton, Cottonwood Heights and Harriman.
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Or you can be a member of the Unified Fire Service Area or UFSA.
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Which is a taxing entity and we'll kind of go into that a little bit later on.
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The governance is made-up of a.
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Of a board of.
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Of 17, which is our.
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Our 15 municipalities and then the Salt Lake County.
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Two members or Mayor Fotheringham serves as the the chair of the board.
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And then of course you have your station 104 and we'll kind of go over that which.
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Delivers your.
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Your response?
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But then it it also benefits from being.
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From our regional infrastructure of.
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Of many specialties that we have from our wildland program to heavy rescue to hazmat and other things that.
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The benefits of a large organization has.
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So that's the summary and then we'll go on to the next slide.
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OK, so this is kind of the.
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The history of UFA and kind of how we got to where we are from.
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From the city of holiday being a customer to a co-owner so.
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Traditionally, they.
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Most cities got their.
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Their Fire Protection from Salt Lake County.
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Fire Department.
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And then?
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As cities incorporated, they would contract with the Salt Lake County Fire Department.
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But.
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They were kind of a customer with no with no say.
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So.
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In 2004.
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Unified fire authority was.
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Was introduced.
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And.
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That way everybody has a say right now, everybody has someone on the board and everybody has a little bit of a more buying rather
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than just being a customer with no say.
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And then in 2019, Interlocal Agreement was refined to clarify member roles and governance.
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And then Holiday solidified his position as direct member and co-owner with the voting seat on the board of directors concerning
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direct oversight and strategic control over fire EMS services.
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So and that was in 219 for that and that's a 50 year in a local agreement.
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Next slide.
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So this is just kind of a slide right here that shows.
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That we have the one seat and that's Mayor Fotheringham at this time. So the primary decision making is is 1, but everybody gets a
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vote.
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But for financial?
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For the tentative budget.
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The final budget and budget amendments.
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Now if any 2.
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Two board members my of different entities so it can't just be the 2 Salt Lake County ones.
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They can invoke a weighted vote.
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And the way the weighted vote is is calculated as a as a combination of.
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The budget and population.
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I would like to point out that that's never been invoked, so as long as unified Fire authority has been around.
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It has never been invoked the the weighted vote.
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The next slide does kind of show where holiday ranks and the weighted voting.
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So right there you can see.
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6.5% of the population and 4.33% of member fees, so they would have a 5.43%.
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If anybody did invoke the.
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So right here, so there's among the Unified Fire Authority board.
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There is 3 board subcommittees of the Finance Committee of the Governance Committee and the Benefits and Comp Committee.
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So.
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And I know there's been some changes.
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But Mayor Fotheringham, you're on the benefits and cop and finance both, correct, right?
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So there has there has been some changes with the election. So the Finance Committee, the mandate is.
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You know they conduct granular line by line reviews of the proposed budget.
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May ensure fiscal transparency and I don't know if anybody has ever seen our budget book, but.
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It is a phone book and it really, and it literally has.
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Every dollar.
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Where everything goes.
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And where it's spent and we'll kind of go into the budget a little bit more later, a little later on.
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But Unified Fire Authority and our CFO Tony Health, they've won awards for this budget book and the transparency so.
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It's a boring read.
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So if you ever wanted to look at it, that's online or I can get you a physical copy.
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But it's pretty impressive.
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The Governance Committee the mandate is to manage the legal and structural framework of the agency.
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And then of course the benefits and compensation, they they balance fiscal responsibility with the workforce retention.
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And so those 3 subcommittees.
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They make the recommendations to the UFA board.
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And.
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I don't think it's ever happened Where?
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As they're made-up of board members, usually their recommendations are.
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Are usually always ratified because they do all the work and they do all the.
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All the heavy lifting on those subcommittees before it goes to the UFA board.
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Here is our organizational structure. You can see at the top we have the board and then the Fire Chief and the chief legal officer
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answers to the board.
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I won't read.
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Go through every single one of these things but.
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That's organizational structure.
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For UFA.
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And so here we'll go into it. So as a.
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There's two more, like I said. So holiday Cottonwood Heights.
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Riverton and Harriman are direct members.
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And everybody else was UFSA member. So these are the major differences. So as a UF I say member, a separate legal entity that's a
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special service area acting as a as a taxing district, whereas holiday as a contract in any entity maintaining total municipal
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separation from the taxing district.
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So.
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Holiday peas.
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UFA with a single.
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A member fee from the general fund where the funding mechanism of ufsa is they levy lever the.
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Property taxes on residents to fund the operations.
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And then the other big difference is.
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Asset ownership, so UFSA.
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UFSA owns the fire stations and they maintain the fire stations where.
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Holiday ONS their fire station.
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And they maintain their fire station.
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And we can get into what's better or what's worse or what's different sometimes. But.
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For holiday, I think it definitely does make sense.
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You know, if you knew you had three more fire stations to build in the future, maybe you look at UFSA because then you could split
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that cost. But holidays?
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And we'll get into that in the future, too.
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Where station 104 is located and where our neighboring stations are located.
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It's pretty covered.
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For for having one station, it's it's it's a good idea and then you also are already 4 handed staff so.
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You can't really increase staffing very much and that's that's your other big cost where?
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You don't have to say. You would say to say if you're.
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Eagle Mountain.
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They have three stations. They're.
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Projected to build two more and they're gonna. There's gonna be a lot of.
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Costs coming up, so it makes more sense for someone like that to be a member of UFSA and split that cost.
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Versus Holiday or Riverton or some of these places already built out, it's kind of a.
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You get the same exact service though, that's the big thing.
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And, umm.
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You have total control over your.
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Of your taxes.
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So those are the big benefits. Is there any questions about that? That's because.
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That's a big.
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Point and I don't want to.
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It's a. It's a.
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Big difference for holiday.
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Is a we're essentially charged.
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There are a couple of variables, but the primary variable is our call volume.
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Right. How?
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Calls that come out of the.
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First serve station and such.
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One of the decision we have is you know three man cruise versus 4 man cruise. We wanted to go the best which is a four man crew
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which.
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Makes the most sense that that is a variable though.
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That we could decide.
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But in terms of our.
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Yeah, we're not pooled with other communities.
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We're only we're charged for our call volume that happens in holiday.
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And of course we did.
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Pay for our own fire station. That's another thing that UFSA does They.
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They're essentially assessing all the.
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UFSA members.
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As if they're one big city in a.
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A shared pool.
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For their station costs and their operating costs.
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But.
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Relative to the other cities.
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Holiday is a.
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Low call volume relative to our tax base.
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And so as a result.
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We're getting a screen and deal.
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Because we the same service provider.
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That gives the same great service to everybody but.
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The cost allocation metric is.
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Really favorable.
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So.
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Great deal. Go ahead.
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And we'll go over that with the call volume and things about in a little later on.
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But you know, just just as another example, say.
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Last year they.
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Currents open another fire station.
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And so when currents open to the fire station, they're a member of UFSA. UFSA met, all had to.
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Vote and share that cost.
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Where Holiday being a direct member, it didn't affect Holiday.
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To open a fire station elsewhere.
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So OK.
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Next slide.
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So this is kind of how our member fee system works, so.
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And I'll get into this more. This is the overview, but I'll get in the nuts and bolts in just a little bit. But it takes your
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first two areas, so 104 and there's a.
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And you can kind of.
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It's not an exact circle, but you kind of put an area around 1:04.
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And and, and the calls that are running holiday and, and you get charged for that and there's kind of a give and take between
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1:12, which is up in Olympus Cove.
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And 116 which is low enough on Wasatch and 1:10 which is 1 in Cottonwood Heights. So there's a there's a give and take between.
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104.
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And then?
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The neighboring cities and we capture all that.
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And charge accordingly. And every year there's, you know.
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I think for a couple years.
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It seemed like the call point there, people were coming into holiday a little bit more and then this year.
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Holiday went out a little bit more, so they went down just a little bit and.
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Kind of minuscule as far as in the grand scheme of things.
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But we do capture all of that.
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So the the the cost is is based on the geographical zone and I have a map of that and we'll show.
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And then?
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And then that you have your loaded crew cost which we'll get into that, which is how much it costs we we charge either.
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Do you have a three handed engine or a four handed engine?
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And for those that have been to fire school.
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You know the.
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Big, huge difference. And as a firefighter.
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It is a huge benefit to be on a four handed apparatus versus A3 handed apparatus.
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For almost every call. So that's that's one reason that.
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It's great. It is just.
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Firefighters.
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That a lot of people don't even like to work on 300 apparatus.
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You'll have your overhead, which we'll go over and then the offsets, which can be the revenues, which is ambulance revenue and
[37:35]
things like that. But we'll get all into that total member fee number.
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More in just a little bit.
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Next slide.
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Oh, OK. We are on the next slide. So the budget is preparing accordance with the the Uniform Fiscal Procedures Act for cities.
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So UFA maintains a.
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A fund balance at or above state required minimums and.
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And they target 8 1/2% to provide a fiscal buffer for emergency contingencies and.
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There's constant scrutiny, always throws looking at the fund balance and then.
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That one of the benefits of economies of scale is the support services historically.
[38:10]
They represent 14 to 16% of the budget, which is, which is really good as far as the the overhead.
[38:20]
So the.
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The major cost of the UFA General Fund is obviously personnel in overtime.
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That's, that's always the number one, but what you get from that. So we maintain a hard floor of daily staffing across all our 26
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stations.
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So in any business.
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You know, staffing is always number one, but.
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You Station 104 will have your four people on your.
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Engine and two people on your ambulance.
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Doesn't matter, they can be.
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30 sick calls We can have people deployed to a hurricane.
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But we we have a minimum staffing which is which is what it is so.
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Station 104 is always staffed, but that's a benefit because in some smaller departments.
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Sometimes it's hard to eat up.
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Sick calls or some of these other things?
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But that's the one thing that we have is we have, we have a hard minimum staffing and there has been times when.
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UFA.
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There has been every once in a while that we go down but.
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Holiday is way down that list because.
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They're pretty busy so they usually they like to draw down on a smaller one, but that handle that only happens a handful of times
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a year.
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And sometimes for instance.
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If we have people that can sign up for overtime.
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So and that's usually how we fill vacancies, but we also have something called mandatory staffing, so.
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It's just the unfortunate I I believe. I don't know if you PD has anything like this.
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Where some days.
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You may think you're going home.
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But guess what?
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You're not going home, you've been mandatory staff for that day and it's just the nature of the work.
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And everybody understands it.
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So, so that is one way we keep the minimum staffing.
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It could be hard, like I said, in a smaller department.
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And then health care costs and as a major driver and then the capital outlay.
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Which we'll get into a little bit later on too, which is a our capital plan.
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You don't get stuck. Well, actually the next slide I'll kind of explain it.
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A little bit so.
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We have a, we have a capital plan where we replace.
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Everything of value in a predetermined amount of time, for instance, and we'll get into this a little bit later, but we buy.
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Every.
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Every 9 or every nine years.
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Will buy Every three years we'll buy.
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5 fire engines.
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And so there's a strict rotation.
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Right. So as the and as you can see.
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I don't know if you noticed that we went on it before, but for Councilmember Sunwall and Councilman Bradley, we just got a new
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fire engine this last year and so.
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The good thing about it is is that.
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Holiday is not the pony up $1,000,000 to get a fire engine which is the.
[40:43]
Which is the cost of a fire engine nowadays.
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You kind of pay into this capital outlay fund every year.
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Which makes the cost predictable.
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And then?
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During the life cycle, about 10 to 12 years.
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You'll get a new fire engine.
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So we do that with everything from our.
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Ambulances to our brush trucks.
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To our radios. To our Scbas, which are our breathing apparatus.
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They're all on timelines.
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And so it makes things.
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Predictable and cost.
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I'll say a little story. I think it was in 2007 or.
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Kind of right when I got hired, we bought.
[41:15]
I think 16 fire engines at once.
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And it was great, right? Everybody's like, oh, we have brand new fire, brand new fire engines.
[41:22]
And, well, they all started breaking down at the same time.
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And they all came off warranty at the same time, so it was a nightmare.
[41:28]
To predict costs and no one knew. And it was, it was, it was a huge challenge. So now.
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As we every three years.
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We purchased, we put an order in.
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And then you know, and the other thing is.
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We didn't like this on this last batch. We can change this on this fire engine or a little tiny changes.
[41:44]
It's definitely made a.
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A more predictable.
[41:47]
For costs.
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That's the biggest thing, more predictable and it keeps on a good rotation for replacing these apparatus.
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OK, and here is your station 104.
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So staff, like I said, a staff 24/7, four person fire engine and the two person ambulance.
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And then it's it's perfectly placed.
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And we'll go and start a little bit on a side note.
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People love working there. It's a it's a beautiful fire station.
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And the citizens?
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Treat everybody great here.
[42:18]
The one drawback is is that there's a lot of night calls on holiday. I don't know if that's the same thing with the police.
[42:23]
Seems to be a lot of night calls which.
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As firefighters, we hate that.
[42:27]
But it is what it is, right? But it's a beautiful station.
[42:30]
People love working there.
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And it's.
[42:32]
Yeah, yeah, it's.
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That's great. That's one of the places people like to work.
[42:39]
So and then the.
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For the strategic outlook, so this is this is our mission statement to save lives, protect property and strengthen community
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relationship with professionals and courage and dedication and then holiday retains total municipal autonomy and local property
[42:47]
tax control.
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But you gained a.
[42:52]
You gain the protection of retail's largest and specialized fire agency. So now we're going to get into some of the nuts and bolts
[42:55]
of.
[42:58]
The budget, does anybody have any questions over the governance or any of the things that I just.
[43:03]
Covered.
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OK.
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So this is the the budget that was passed in for fiscal year 2526 and we'll kind of just go over a little bit line by line.
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Up at the top are some of the some of the revenue so.
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They always budget ambulance revenue.
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And just bridge you is so.
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For the state sets the.
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The cost for ambulance rides, so we always have people that come in and say, oh, this.
[43:29]
Was this much and it is expensive? I'm not.
[43:31]
There's there's no way around that, but.
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The state is due determines.
[43:36]
Ambulance costs.
[43:37]
Just just for people now. So you have a.
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Your ambulance revenue, which we budgeted low.
[43:43]
URS actually went down.
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And then stress test cuts so.
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Cheaper chat every year.
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He I cannot.
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For the life of me remember which seat a famous CEO does this but every year he goes so just his different divisions from fire
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training.
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The operations to.
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Medical training to fire prevention to logistics.
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And he says.
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Give me a.
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Budget where you cut 10%.
[44:06]
Like if you had to do it, give me a budget that you cut 10%.
[44:08]
And they look at it and they decide what they can live with and what.
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And what they can't?
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But that's an exercise that he does every year.
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Which is he is, he makes them go each division, go through a stress test and then interest. So last year.
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We got a.
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Over 3.6%.
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For all increase all all employees.
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A market adjustment for sworn civilian. So they they look at every rank and see where where we are in the market from Battalion
[44:29]
Chief to captain to paramedic to engineer.
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And then they usually do about.
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Have to 1/3 of the civilian employees every year with a with a look at their market.
[44:41]
Health insurance, we had a 7 1/2 percent renewal rate and hoping for.
[44:44]
Something similar about this year, but.
[44:48]
New ambulance again So so a new ambulance started in January 2025.
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So.
[44:54]
Just for clarification.
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So.
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Holiday pay how we bill is either through a three or four handed.
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Engine umm.
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And then ambulances go into a regional.
[45:03]
A regional service delivery, which we'll kind of show you so.
[45:06]
So for instance.
[45:08]
Last year.
[45:10]
The City of Holiday.
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Had a part-time ambulance, which was.
[45:14]
Part time employees on an ambulance.
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Who they were staffed.
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Six days a week.
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I believe it was from 9:00 to 9:00.
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And then through the call volume.
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And just how they looked at it through data.
[45:26]
They flip-flopped.
[45:27]
That part-time ambulance?
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With the full time ambulance that was actually right up the street here at station 106.
[45:33]
Because that would better serve everybody.
[45:34]
But because that moved and that's part of the regional service delivery, there was number.
[45:38]
Fiscal.
[45:39]
Changing between Mill Creek and Holiday, even though you switched a part-time, full-time ambulance, so the ambulance service is
[45:42]
just built in.
[45:45]
Does that make sense? So. So even though there was a.
[45:48]
So there's a new ambulance that was actually put in.
[45:52]
I believe in currents.
[45:53]
That is why, that's why that's on there for everybody.
[45:55]
Same thing with the Battalion Chief. We added the 4th Battalion Chief.
[45:58]
Battalion Chief serves around. It used to be 7 to 8 stations, now they serve 5 to 6, which is much more manageable.
[46:05]
And then and then I won't.
[46:07]
Go over the rest but.
[46:09]
Or even the smallest miniscule budget impacts are kind of.
[46:11]
Kind of noticed right here.
[46:17]
I will say the capital fund when you go back one more time.
[46:21]
So the capital fund transfers, so that was kind of a big one. I will point on that is that.
[46:26]
Things are just getting much more expensive. So when we go to, I'll show you one of our capital.
[46:29]
Our capital funds or our capital leases are one of our nine year leases where?
[46:33]
Where we buy the fire, 5 fire engines, fire all that, it's kind of like a down payment to lessen the impact because.
[46:38]
I don't know if you've ever seen it's actually been national news. Where?
[46:41]
They've actually these fire.
[46:43]
Fire apparatus manufacturers have actually like to appear in front of Congress because the prices of skyrocketed so much.
[46:49]
Like.
[46:50]
So now you know they're sitting at 1,000,000 bucks. I feel like five years ago there were 700,000, right? So that they're.
[46:56]
They're going up. It used to be. We still build on our fire engine and we get it in a year.
[47:00]
Now we're looking at 3-4 years.
[47:01]
So it's it's actually been.
[47:03]
I mean, maybe it's just national news to me because that's what I follow, but they've they've actually had to bring the
[47:07]
manufacturers in front of Congress and they've been kind of grilled about this.
[47:11]
So that's what that one is and I just want to point to that because I was over 1,000,000 bucks.
[47:17]
OK, so here's the here's the service demand.
[47:20]
And this is kind of how.
[47:22]
Things are built a little bit, so if you look at the top.
[47:24]
So holiday, what we do is we take a three-year.
[47:29]
We combined three years so.
[47:31]
So it's not just if you happen to have one.
[47:33]
Year were.
[47:34]
Call volume goes up in some in an area.
[47:36]
It's not going to change the funding very much, so we take a three-year rolling.
[47:41]
Rolling call count right here and so if you see.
[47:44]
I'll kind of go. So if you look at 1:04 and you look over.
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They ran.
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5000 incidents.
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Between 2022 and 2024.
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In in their own in their own city and.
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In in holiday.
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And UFSA.
[48:00]
Gram, which is.
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112 which is Olympus Cove.
[48:04]
Which is 106 right here at Mill Creek.
[48:06]
116 or 116 is actually not that actually down there, but UFSA. So which is really 112.
[48:12]
And, umm.
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And 1:06.
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They ran 32% of holidays calls.
[48:17]
And so then they get down to the to the.
[48:19]
To the 100% and then but then if you look down holiday ran.
[48:23]
684 calls in Cottonwood Heights area.
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And they also ran 654 calls in 112 UFSA.
[48:30]
And then?
[48:31]
282 calls.
[48:32]
And when I in 116's area.
[48:35]
And so you take that and they kind of calculate a give and take on.
[48:38]
What calls are go where?
[48:40]
And then that's how they come up.
[48:42]
With the billing so which is pretty good because.
[48:45]
That way.
[48:46]
If let's say that.
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Holiday was going into.
[48:50]
One 10s area, All the time. Just all the time.
[48:53]
Then at least that would be captured.
[48:55]
Fiscally, rather than just.
[48:56]
We're just giving it now if.
[48:58]
The fortune thing for holidays that they're surrounded by UFSA in some areas where.
[49:04]
It's not shared fiscally, for instance.
[49:08]
Say Magna which is in UFA and then.
[49:10]
West Valley.
[49:12]
If West Valley was coming in all the time.
[49:15]
More say that we're coming into Magna way too much.
[49:18]
Then it becomes more of a cheap to cheap thing rather than we can't just figure out fiscally, it actually becomes something they
[49:21]
have to workout and like.
[49:24]
How we're going to do this So so holiday is right smack in the middle. I'm watching Charlotte next slide and how lucky it is.
[49:31]
So if you can see where station 104 is, right in the smack in the middle.
[49:35]
And the weird shape that's around it, Not the green, but just.
[49:39]
That is what's called 104's first in SO.
[49:42]
Any call in that area?
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Is considered.
[49:45]
104 is called and.
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For how it's built now, if you look at that little chunk on the northeast side.
[49:50]
112 actually owns that chunk of holiday, so if any call comes in there.
[49:54]
112 goes first because they're closer.
[49:56]
Right, so.
[49:57]
And then 110 owns a little.
[49:58]
Chunk to the South.
[49:59]
And then 116 owns that little chunk, the little boot there on the on the.
[50:04]
Southeast.
[50:05]
And.
[50:05]
So the good thing about that is, is that.
[50:09]
Holiday has.
[50:10]
It pays for one station.
[50:12]
But they have 4 stations that own a part of it.
[50:14]
Which is not always the case. So if it was if they were on their own fire department.
[50:18]
They might own all of it.
[50:19]
Right. So, so it's very lucky that they are right smack in the middle and they're surrounded by.
[50:24]
Other members of the UFA that own part of it and it's best for service delivery.
[50:31]
Next slide.
[50:32]
This kind of explains it a little bit more.
[50:34]
So.
[50:35]
If you just look at the holiday section, so a number of stations that own a first new area, SO4 stations own.
[50:40]
A first two area in holiday, which is like I said, if a call goes in there.
[50:44]
That station goes to it.
[50:45]
Now if you look at the other ones for instance.
[50:48]
Harriman. They have three in the 1st 2:00.
[50:50]
But they paper two of them.
[50:52]
Riverton they have 3.
[50:53]
They pay, they pay for three of them and then Cottonwood Heights, they have three, but they pay for two of them, so.
[50:57]
Holiday gets the best bang for the buck strictly for.
[51:00]
Geographical standpoint that.
[51:02]
They pay for one.
[51:03]
And then they.
[51:04]
Have for that on 1st stand and so the proportion of the station so holiday because.
[51:08]
Those other stations own a chunk of holiday proportionally.
[51:11]
You pay for 1.04 stations.
[51:14]
Total and then the percent of this member fee.
[51:17]
The Member. The member fee for the fiscal year 2526.
[51:20]
The percentage increase from the year before.
[51:22]
And then the actual dollar amount.
[51:24]
Cost increase.
[51:26]
Is that it's? It's kind of confusing.
[51:29]
So.
[51:31]
Maybe it's not.
[51:32]
But does anybody have any questions of kind of how that works?
[51:35]
I mean basically.
[51:37]
Call volume We pay for our own station.
[51:39]
And that covers the bulk of it, but.
[51:43]
But you provide service based on.
[51:46]
What's the best way to get there? You're providing coverage.
[51:50]
And our.
[51:51]
Cost share is is based primarily on our activity and we're not.
[51:54]
Pulled with anyone else but we.
[51:57]
Service delivery from.
[51:59]
Pooled service but we just pay for.
[52:00]
What's ours?
[52:01]
Regardless of where it comes from.
[52:03]
Yeah, yeah.
[52:05]
So you you pay for the for the crew 104 and it.
[52:08]
And if they were going out way more than.
[52:10]
It would be.
[52:11]
It would be captured.
[52:12]
Recapture the call volume, which is great. So you pay from what you you pay for what you get.
[52:16]
Which I think is great.
[52:19]
OK, go to the.
[52:22]
So here's just another way. This is. This is the.
[52:25]
Exactly how the member fee is.
[52:27]
And so if you if you look at it.
[52:29]
Pretty small. You look at 1:04 so.
[52:32]
The first part is the.
[52:34]
The engine of the truck, so you can see there's two different numbers so you can you can get either get a three or four handed.
[52:39]
Apparatus. Almost all of them are four handed apparatus.
[52:42]
And then you get the service delivery.
[52:44]
The service delivery is your ambulance service, it's your battalion chiefs.
[52:48]
It's your heavy rescue and your hazmat.
[52:51]
Then you give your support, which is your administrative support. So that would be logistics, it'll be.
[52:56]
HR It'll be our legal department.
[52:59]
Things like that, the administrative side.
[53:01]
And then you have your your capital fund.
[53:03]
Which we'll get, we'll go again. And that's that's how we buy all our stuff and so that.
[53:07]
Even though we might get.
[53:08]
5 new fire engines.
[53:10]
In a year.
[53:11]
That is not going to.
[53:12]
Go like this.
[53:13]
Which is, which is the whole plane?
[53:15]
Instance to keep a predictable.
[53:17]
To keep a predictable.
[53:20]
Budget and then you can kind of go over and then it just adds up. So it just.
[53:25]
Over here, it'll show again. It has Cottonwood.
[53:27]
Holiday, Herriman, Riverton and then UFSA.
[53:30]
And then it'll add up everything to 100%. It's just another way of showing it's more detailed.
[53:34]
Than the view of the previous line.
[53:41]
Any questions?
[53:43]
OK, right here. So again, this is these are some of the things you get from the member for you so operations that's.
[53:49]
The people on the fire engines and the people that work, that's obviously the biggest expense, special operations, those are
[53:53]
hazardous materials and our heavy rescue response.
[53:57]
Camp Williams.
[53:59]
This is actually great, so we provide.
[54:01]
If anybody remembers the.
[54:03]
It's the machine gunfire of 2000 and.
[54:07]
10 You remember when that came over?
[54:10]
So traditionally.
[54:12]
Camp Williams had their own.
[54:13]
Fire department or their own Fire Protection.
[54:15]
After that.
[54:16]
They got rid of them and they.
[54:18]
Got with.
[54:19]
UFA and so UFA is providing.
[54:21]
Has been providing fire service ever since to Camp Williams.
[54:24]
With a it's basically a wildland firefighter crew.
[54:27]
And that's their job is to protect campaigns. But the great thing about it is.
[54:30]
Is if if there's nothing going on at Camp Williams.
[54:33]
And say.
[54:35]
Wildland fire breaks out on holiday. We can actually call them out.
[54:37]
And they can actually come out and do initial attack and things like that for us, which is great.
[54:41]
Which doesn't cost anything.
[54:44]
Then you have fire prevention so.
[54:46]
If you look over here to the holiday you pay 66,000 but you have your own.
[54:50]
Erie Fire Marshall, which is great, along with Chief Wade Watkins, who you'll probably see and.
[54:55]
And, umm.
[54:57]
And I'll just.
[54:58]
Say this about fireworks so.
[54:59]
You met with Chief Watkins, correct?
[55:01]
So I actually had a meeting with him yesterday about about fireworks and about weather because everybody's worried about that. And
[55:05]
as it gets closer because it's too late to predict.
[55:08]
He is going to come in and give a presentation.
[55:11]
And uh.
[55:12]
Because it's it's up to the council and everybody, he'll come in and give.
[55:16]
Updated information on.
[55:18]
Fuel low or moisture and fuels and things like that for you to make a decision.
[55:22]
But that's another thing you get from our fire prevention. You get a, you get a, a fire Marshall and this fire training EMS
[55:26]
special enforcement, which is our, our.
[55:31]
Bomb and arson. We have our dogs and our arson investigators.
[55:36]
Urban search and rescue so.
[55:39]
Unified Fire Authority is the sponsoring agency for.
[55:43]
Utah Task Force One, which is 1 of 28 FEMA search and rescue teams.
[55:46]
Which is made-up of firefighters and civilians all around.
[55:50]
All around Salt Lake County, even further.
[55:52]
But it's it's, it's funded by FEMA and then.
[55:55]
But you don't like unified fire authorities and sponsoring agencies? We're actually located out in our logistics building in West
[55:58]
Jordan.
[56:01]
And then you have our our wildland division.
[56:04]
Which if you look over holidays portion is.
[56:07]
17,870.
[56:09]
And what that is, is we have a whole violin division with.
[56:12]
With hand crews. With ten person hand crews.
[56:15]
They also have 3.
[56:17]
Fire engines that go out and generally we go out and they deploy.
[56:20]
To to different fires around the country.
[56:23]
But.
[56:23]
When they're in, when they're in house, they're.
[56:25]
At our beck and call, so if they're in town, we can call them.
[56:28]
And they also have a fuels crew under the wall.
[56:32]
Can come and make them. They'll do mitigation work for holiday.
[56:34]
And so actually you'll be getting e-mail from me.
[56:37]
And we're looking for mitigation work and holiday for they can go and do some things and you know, but the priority being.
[56:43]
City property.
[56:44]
But you'll get an e-mail from me about that and then.
[56:47]
Emergency Management, and you can see there's actually a refund in Emergency Management.
[56:51]
So it's Salt Lake County Emergency Management.
[56:53]
But because they're located in UFA headquarters.
[56:56]
We get a little bit of a refund for that because we handle their payroll and and they were RHR and things like that.
[57:01]
And then there's finance admin information outreach.
[57:04]
Human resources Logistics.
[57:07]
And then the capital fund transfer and that gives you the total cost, so you can see holiday.
[57:11]
3.198.
[57:12]
Million.
[57:15]
And then OK.
[57:18]
Next slide.
[57:19]
So here's here's just an example of SO.
[57:23]
Unified UFA. We do.
[57:25]
We have 3.
[57:26]
Nine month.
[57:27]
They call them leases or loans that.
[57:30]
That we are 9 year, nine year, nine year. Thank you. 9 year so.
[57:33]
So when one falls off.
[57:35]
Another one comes on. When one falls off, another comes on. And here's just the example of one of them so.
[57:39]
Type 1 fire engines.
[57:41]
Five of them, which is that's like the fire engine here in Holiday. That's the tip. When you think of a fire engine, it's a that's
[57:44]
what is a Type 1 fire engine.
[57:48]
A type 1/3 engine is is kind of a.
[57:51]
It's got the capabilities of.
[57:53]
Type one fire engine but it's kind of.
[57:55]
Has some wildland abilities at the same time.
[57:58]
It can do both.
[58:00]
But in a municipal area.
[58:02]
We just have them in a couple places. Harriman has one.
[58:05]
Our Canyon station has them because they're more like.
[58:07]
The the more likely to have.
[58:09]
A house buyer or a wildland fire than a place like holiday.
[58:13]
And then you have a tractor drawn.
[58:15]
Aerial apparatus, let's say.
[58:16]
We call them tillers, so it's the ladder truck the guy drives in the back.
[58:19]
Or the girl drives in the back.
[58:20]
These emails.
[58:21]
5 ambulances, 1 heavy rescue apparatus.
[58:25]
3 mechanic trucks. I won't go through the whole thing but you can look.
[58:28]
And that's, that's an example of things on our capital replacement fund like this we have, we have 3.
[58:32]
Nine year ones and 1-6 year one.
[58:34]
And we'll kind of go over the six year one, but.
[58:36]
The six year 1 is just for the.
[58:38]
Usually those things don't last nine years and it's something that we want to replace all the same time. For instance, radios.
[58:43]
We'll get, we'll replace all the radios at the same time because it's not one of those things where.
[58:48]
Well, what kind of radio am I working with today? We want it all to be the same.
[58:51]
Or cardiac monitors. When we replace the cardiac monitors, we replace them all at once because we don't want different cardiac
[58:55]
monitors out there at the same time. So those are and.
[58:59]
Usually we don't keep those things for nine years. So those are examples of those kind of leases and we'll kind of go on that.
[59:04]
On the next slide.
[59:11]
This is just more of this SO.
[59:14]
Oh, these are, these are our cash purchases. I'm sorry. So these are things that just wouldn't make sense.
[59:18]
So.
[59:20]
Body truck with chipper. A couple some IT equipment.
[59:24]
Some software stuff.
[59:25]
This is cast purchases that we did last year.
[59:27]
And the big ones.
[59:31]
And here's our example of our capital replacement plan, so you can see up at the top.
[59:36]
You have your fiscal every three years.
[59:38]
Kind of tells you what you're going to buy.
[59:40]
And I won't go down it but.
[59:42]
Everything is captured.
[59:47]
Which is good. One thing that I forgot to go over.
[59:50]
Which I think is important.
[59:51]
Important is can we go back? I'll tell you when to stop.
[59:55]
Go back, go back.
[59:57]
OK, great.
[1:00:00]
Let's see, go back one more.
[1:00:04]
Yes, so on this one.
[1:00:06]
I just wanted to see on.
[1:00:08]
I wanted to point something better on the.
[1:00:12]
The member free before the.
[1:00:14]
The member fee credit.
[1:00:15]
So.
[1:00:17]
I always like to tell the story.
[1:00:18]
So when I was in the Marine Corps before I.
[1:00:22]
Became a firefighter.
[1:00:24]
And I always remember this.
[1:00:25]
We went to the Philippines for a training.
[1:00:27]
And.
[1:00:28]
We're only over there for.
[1:00:30]
Four or five days. I can't remember exactly how much.
[1:00:32]
This is an.
[1:00:33]
2004 since this was a long time ago.
[1:00:35]
And.
[1:00:36]
Our trainings all got rained out so before we got back on the boat.
[1:00:41]
We sat there and in the middle of the night.
[1:00:44]
We shall. I can't remember.
[1:00:47]
Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of rounds.
[1:00:50]
Into nothing.
[1:00:51]
Into the blackness.
[1:00:52]
And I remember like, why are we doing this?
[1:00:54]
And.
[1:00:55]
And they said it was the whole.
[1:00:57]
Well, if we don't use it, we won't get it next year.
[1:00:59]
Right. Typical government.
[1:01:02]
Spending, uh.
[1:01:02]
Which?
[1:01:04]
Years and years ago.
[1:01:05]
I've seen things like that here. So here.
[1:01:08]
There is, we actually give a member free credit, so.
[1:01:11]
The budget is.
[1:01:12]
Is approved.
[1:01:14]
And you can see it's, I mean it is down to every single little purchase.
[1:01:17]
And while most of it is open allocations.
[1:01:19]
Whatever goes left doesn't just get spent.
[1:01:21]
It actually gets.
[1:01:23]
Set back to offset the number for you the next year and I should have.
[1:01:26]
Put on that, but that's that's very important because.
[1:01:30]
In the previous UFA administration, I'm talking.
[1:01:34]
1617 years ago.
[1:01:36]
That extra money would have been spent on something.
[1:01:38]
To be perfectly honest, but now.
[1:01:40]
It's not.
[1:01:41]
It's back.
[1:01:43]
They don't just spend the money and that again, most of this is open allocations, but I didn't want to point that out because I
[1:01:46]
did skip it.
[1:01:50]
All right.
[1:01:54]
Oh, that was it.
[1:01:56]
So.
[1:01:57]
That was.
[1:01:58]
That's UFA 101 in a nutshell. At least the governance.
[1:02:02]
And the budget?
[1:02:03]
Portion. How many questions about that?
[1:02:08]
That's either a good or a bad thing. I'm I'm hip deep in it myself quite often, but I'll just reiterate.
[1:02:15]
We are, and we're served extremely well.
[1:02:18]
The the arrangement that Holiday has with this organization has extremely beneficial for Holiday in my view.
[1:02:25]
I appreciate very much, I've come to appreciate very much that capital rotation blanks. It really does smooth out.
[1:02:32]
Those big costs in a way that makes it manageable for municipalities that have a regular.
[1:02:38]
You know, cycle of revenue that can't spike the way capital purchases could.
[1:02:43]
If we were employing it.
[1:02:45]
A different methodology. Think of us.
[1:02:47]
Our previous Chief Peterson, was it that created that this capital rotation?
[1:02:52]
That was one of the primary contributions he made among.
[1:02:55]
Many great contributions.
[1:02:57]
And.
[1:02:59]
I couldn't be happier. And so this was.
[1:03:01]
This showed.
[1:03:02]
Our increase from.
[1:03:04]
Last year, the current year at.
[1:03:06]
Four point.
[1:03:07]
11 or 4.12.
[1:03:10]
We're significantly less than that this coming year. Coming up, our call volume went down relative to the total. So I think we're
[1:03:13]
going to.
[1:03:17]
The 2.11 range.
[1:03:19]
So we're we gotta scream and deal this next budget. You're coming up too. So.
[1:03:25]
Anyway, appreciate.
[1:03:25]
All you do at UFO.
[1:03:27]
Or proud members and.
[1:03:29]
Delighted and.
[1:03:30]
But but yeah, there any questions or comments?
[1:03:33]
I just have a quick question. You were talking about, I know a lot of times in my neighborhood because we are a little bit closer
[1:03:38]
to Murray, we see Murray come in. How does that work?
[1:03:42]
With umm.
[1:03:43]
The costs.
[1:03:44]
Than expenses, sure.
[1:03:46]
Sure. So.
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Well, first I'll say how things are dispatched.
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So, and I don't know exactly where you live, but.
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So for a heavy apparatus.
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It's what is dispatched is.
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So that for the funding is is that map.
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Right, but.
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For how they're dispatching heavy apparatus if it can get there within 4 minutes.
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Then that heavy apparatus will go. So I don't know if you live within 4, approximately 4 minutes of 104. So is it always Murray?
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Are you on the border?
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We're yeah, we're on the border.
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So it's probably always Murray.
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For the most part.
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Yeah, just noticing what I yes, Yep, Yep, Yep. So yeah, so, so.
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How is dispatch Is is?
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Is it? I'll get back to it, but just because I went, I already started. This is 4 minutes for heavy apparatus. So if if a heavy
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apparatus can get there within 4 minutes.
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In in in their zone, so.
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It'll go into that 104 weird shaped box and then it'll.
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It'll GPS it and say where is medic engine 104?
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And.
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If medic engine 104 can get there in 4 minutes.
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It will dispatch them.
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And if not, then it goes to what we call AVL Automatic vehicle location. I think is what is basically GPS. It'll send the closest
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apparatus.
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And we actually just changed that this year and I'll kind of.
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Just go on to it real quick.
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It wasn't a UFA thing but.
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Back in the day.
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When they people used to build fire stations.
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They actually used to build the fire stations on the borders of the cities to keep other cities out.
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And so.
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What was happening is we switched to.
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With the technology and we used to.
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Start dispatching everybody just straight off GPS.
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Was that places like?
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West Valley were.
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Taking a high purport because they're right. They built themselves around the border of Taylorsville because that's how.
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What they used to do, they were taking a ton of calls into Taylorsville.
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Right, which is not theirs.
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So then so the Chiefs all got together and they decided to just proximity dispatching. So now.
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Within 104 they'll if 104 can get there within 4 minutes.
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Then they'll do it and then the ambulance is an 8 minute window.
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Now.
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Seeing that you're not within 4 minutes, it's going to go.
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GPS and so you'll get and that's Murray.
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Is not in house. Sit at Murray Station is not there.
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It'll go GPS, it'll send the next closest unit which.
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Who knows?
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Who might that be?
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So and that becomes a chief to chief.
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Thing as far as.
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Mutual aid, where they'll talk.
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Call volume and.
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Hey, you know you guys come in more than us or we.
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And we come in more than you, and it becomes kind of a negotiation. Now, I can't tell you this with Murray.
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Is we have a great relationship with Murray.
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And I don't think there's.
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Even though they may own a little section of holiday right there.
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A typical house buyer takes.
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3 fire engines and one ladder truck that is.
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That is dispatched to one house fire. Murray doesn't have that whole city, so every house fire UFA is supplementing.
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So there's a give and take there.
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That is managed by the Chiefs.
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And uh.
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And that and that's why that is so if you don't live within 4 minutes.
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And Murray's a little closer.
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You'll get them every time right there. And so I know exactly where you live.
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Probably.
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I can probably guess.
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But that's a, that's a shoe area close to that. Yeah. So you see, So it must be 82. If you can see 82, they must be able to get
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there faster than 104.
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Or maybe just 104 has been out.
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Very much.
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I'm actually interested. I might.
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But that's how it works.
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OK. Thank you.
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Any other questions?
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Can I just add to that, I don't know if Chief Burchett is doing this, but I know Chief Peterson.
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Had a pretty.
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Complicated matrix to make sure that mutual aid.
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Penciled out.
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And I was impressed with how.
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Closely umm.
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The mutual aid.
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Really worked.
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One community wasn't subsidizing another.
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People were helping each other.
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Pretty equally.
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It's actually.
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Pretty amazing how it works out, but yeah, that's he.
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Cheaper than.
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Pretty much taking everything cheap. Peterson's done and.
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Kind of continued it. So I'm sure it's the same thing. Yeah, I've, I've had that conversation that chief.
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And so UFA.
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Is uh.
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Is feels pretty even Steven there are a couple of communities that.
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Are a little out of balance, but.
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But so we're kind of.
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Deficit with one.
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Outside organization, but.
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Have an access with another and.
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It we're kind of worked out in the wash.
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Yes and but.
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There are certain communities to the South who are.
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Not but.
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We're OK.
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Not only that, Mares that we have a lot of.
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Stuff. So like I said.
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We have our only, we have the only dedicated wall division that.
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Frankly, everybody benefits from.
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And then we have our own specialty, hazardous materials companies and owned specialty.
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Heavy rescue companies were.
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A lot of smaller departments, they have to dual specialize, right, So.
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There's a lot of things that.
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That we have plus our.
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Most smaller departments don't have.
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Investigators.
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Bomber arson so and that gets utilized by.
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By other smaller departments utilize ours. So there's there's give and take. It's not it's all not just all about call volume.
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As far as the mutual aid type stuff.
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OK, sorry, we're not taking public comment on the.
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The date that the Fire Chief.
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Cheapens.
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Yes, I will make sure that when it is it and.
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Again, it's going to be.
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Closer to.
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Actual fireworks time.
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But I'll make sure it's on the agenda.
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But we are happy to meet with you. You have my number. We talked before. I'm I'm happy. We're happy to be with you.
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And not in this form if it's easier for you.
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All right. Thanks, Mayor. Thanks. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you.
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OK, but Speaking of that, the next item.
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Up is discussion of the fireworks map.
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Yes, who? Don't go too far.
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Capping down.
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There's a fireworks map discussion as the.
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Next item on the agenda.
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Yeah. So we received from.
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Chief Watkins a letter.
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Telling us that in accordance with state law, we need to adopt a map.
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By me first.
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So wanted to have a preliminary conversation with the council tonight, knowing that they need to adopt something next week.
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The letter really outlines.
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Process.
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And not a lot of guidance. It sounds like that may be coming at a later time. Well, very soon, yes. I thought actually would have
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come out already. But yeah, I think he might be doing it right now.
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OK, so.
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Will he, will we get that guidance before we need to make this?
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Decision. Well, I can kind of.
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Guided a little bit.
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I will say.
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And then, Todd, you stop me if I.
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What the state has basically kind of said is that.
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It's people, citizens rights.
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To use fireworks.
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So.
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The Council cannot.
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You cannot arbitrarily.
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Restrict fireworks without certain criteria.
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Is that a good way to say it?
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Yeah, the state law.
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State law for several years.
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Has.
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Identified certain areas where you can restrict the discharge of fireworks and it talks about areas of.
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Dry grass as it talks about around.
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Creek beds.
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Washes like that. It talks about the urban wildland interface.
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But then it indicates that.
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You need to make sort of a.
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A finding that there exists hazardous conditions.
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That.
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Have.
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Historically.
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Existed for at least two of the last five years.
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To aid you in drawing your line.
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Where you would be able to prohibit fireworks.
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And so.
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I know a few years ago the Council had a line along 1300 E.
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In this city.
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That was, for lack of a better term, I guess, kind of relaxed.
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Last year.
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But that had been your line.
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Based on.
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Sort of the environmental conditions we've had.
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Over the last several years.
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For a few years preceding that.
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So.
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As we look at that line.
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You know, we think about.
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The lack of moisture we've had this winter, all those things can weigh into your discussion now.
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That you will be required to make a specific finding that.
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There's a hazardous area.
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That's existed for at least two of the last five years.
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And there is specific statutory language that identifies areas of dry grass brush.
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Cover.
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The urban wildland interface or those?
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Natural, uh.
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Creek Ways.
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Essentially Todd.
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Can the fact that we used that line?
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Within the last five years for a couple of be part of the finding.
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That would because if we're looking at just this year, that's what you're saying is insufficient. But if we're saying like within
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the last five years that 13th East.
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It's it's good evidence of the fact that you made a finding to that effect in the last five years and it certainly.
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If we go back.
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Three years.
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You know, for you certainly wouldn't be hard to justify.
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Those lines.
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I will say.
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So I think it was, it's two years ago.
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Gina that we expanded it.
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Was it 2? So we've had two years of the non 313 hundred ease.
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So I will say.
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And I'm not.
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Thing going for one or another but.
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There hasn't been an increase in fireworks related incidents in those two years.
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Just I mean grant on the.
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The days of.
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Legal discharge there's always.
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There's always the illegal discharge ones and that's.
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Has nothing to do with this.
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But on the days of legal discharge.
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From the.
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Expanding of the times there hasn't been.
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An increase another.
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Tool that you may have is.
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A red do we have?
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The opportunity to pull a map up.
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Stephanie commutes so they can see it.
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Is a.
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As like Todd said, you you can look at conditions, hazardous conditions or.
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Or or historical fires which you don't have.
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In the two of the five years.
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But you also have.
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A readably accessible line.
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So, uh.
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Something that's easy to enforce where?
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It's not all over the place where well, over here I can't tell or I can't. I'm on the boundaries over here. I don't know.
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So that that's another way to delineate.
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Where you can.
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Discharge fireworks is something that's easily recognizable and enforceable.
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Is this the UFA? Is this the the?
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Last year, is this the whole thing or just holiday? I was going to say if you saw Cottonwood Heights.
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They have. Well, it's it's.
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So confusing and they've had problems that they're actually gonna have to redo theirs a little bit this year just because it's so
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hard to enforce. They just have pockets where you can and you can't and things like that, so.
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That would be another thing, but.
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It's not a.
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It's not I don't like fireworks so.
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We don't want them. It's it's that's, that's not.
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Something that you can.
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You can do.
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Well, I think we.
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You did create some.
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Precedent. They were primarily based on environmental conditions.
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And that those environmental conditions eased the last couple of years and so then we.
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Applied that same precedent.
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Given the.
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Used environmental conditions.
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It would appear to me we haven't had the data yet.
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Although I do read the newspaper.
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So it seems to me that those environmental conditions perhaps have changed again.
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But but.
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I'd still just want to essentially.
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Apply the precedent.
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That.
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The Council.
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Or at least have an opportunity to review that precedent and have an opportunity to reapply that precedent given current
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environmentals to help us make that decision.
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I would agree with you.
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Mayor, that that that's kind of how I've been looking at this going into. I was hoping that we would get more.
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Specific data as far as like fuel load and those kind of things.
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And with.
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The terrible snow year that we've had this year. So I don't know if that's.
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Well, so I will say so that.
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The fuel moisture.
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Mm-hmm. That you can't predict that.
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Because that's.
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Because we could that could.
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That could happen. We could have a lot of rain from now until then. You so you can't.
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Predict that.
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As far as?
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Is.
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The fuel moisture levels, which is which is a big thing.
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Right. So that's one thing that.
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When I said that Chief Watkins would come in, that was kind of where I was going to say where.
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Say we had really dry. Say you adopted a map.
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Of whatever.
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The Council, and correct me if I'm wrong, Todd, that.
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Under extreme conditions you can and you can change it.
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Under so whatever you.
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You is your map.
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If there's extreme weather conditions that have persisted.
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You can.
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Restrict at that time.
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So you're not locked in.
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Yeah. But like we've, we've established kind of a.
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A set of parameters from a couple of years ago. I'd like to review those.
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And assuming we can get the.
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Similar related data that we used.
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In in those previous years when we've made these decisions.
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To both restrict.
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Completely like we did three to four years ago.
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And then those eased because conditions changed.
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Well, conditions have changed back or not, we'll just evaluate those parameters.
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And stick with our.
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Precedent, unless there's reason to.
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Change the precedent.
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So, Councilmember Gray, I think the answer question that data is not this.
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Not not there yet.
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We suspect we'll have it by the time we're required to make that decision. Well, not the, not the.
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The the.
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The data I was talking about with cheap walk.
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Was going to be more of the fuel and moisture load and it might have been.
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You know.
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A couple weeks before the 4th of July or something like that, that was I was kind of alluding toward the more of the emergency.
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We have drought conditions.
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We can't have fireworks, period.
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Type of thing because of the.
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Fuel moisture levels.
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That was more of the the data that I was talking about. Yeah. Oh, the.
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But whatever data we use.
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Because the timeline for us hasn't changed.
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Right. No. And so we had.
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Data that we had at the time we made the decision in those previous years.
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We just need to have that.
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The similar data that was.
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That we have at the time of year we need to make the decision.
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I feel like we had more data.
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Did that like seemed like?
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Yeah. So if we can.
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Yeah, I remember last year we had a wet spring.
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And then as soon as we voted.
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To allow fireworks in parts of the city.
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The rain stopped.
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Yes, and by the time the 4th of July.
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Came around. It was.
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Dry as dry.
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And actually I was really nervous and I talked to former Mayor Dally and said hey.
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I think we ought to.
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Look at re.
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Restricting fireworks for the 24th and.
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Couldn't.
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Get enough people to back me on it.
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I guess I say this because I'm nervous.
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Not only.
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The dryness that we've had so far, but also.
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The fact that.
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Our water situation is so dire.
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I would be really mad at.
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Somebody who started a fire with fireworks and see all those.
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Millions of gallons.
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Being used.
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To fight it.
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Yeah, anyway.
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Let's try to get that.
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Relevant data and.
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For sure I can for because.
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Council meeting next for council meeting next week.
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Yeah.
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Is there any other? Is there additional information?
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That the Council is interested.
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In in.
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Looking at.
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Well, I don't recall the specific data sources and data elements, but those should be.
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I guess in the minutes from those years.
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Of what those parameters were we used to?
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To make those decisions. I mean, I'm sure one of them is going to be snowpack.
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Yeah, and.
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I remember that was 1.
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Yeah, but I think we all know that and just.
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Zero. I mean not basic drought. I think it's a basic drought measurements.
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You know, oh, I think, I think 1 was like what?
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Are we?
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It's like our city in like what drought condition?
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Is the city of Holiday Inn.
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At that time.
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I think that was another one.
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And that was kind of all state fire Marshall stuff, as I recall.
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And this is something we have to vote on next week. We do.
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And that is that is state.
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Law, I guess.
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Captain Brown, I had assumed I that.
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Perhaps Chief Watkins was.
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More reticent to offer.
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Guidance than say a previous fire Marshall.
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Yeah, yeah, I will make sure that.
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Therapy. I'm going to speak to him.
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Tonight, OK.
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Do we, I'm assuming other municipalities?
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Are obviously on the same timeline as we are.
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Are they or any further?
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Along in the process of making their decisions about what they've done. So I will say this, I know that.
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Codman Heights.
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Is minus.
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A couple of the pockets.
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Mainly because of enforcement, because they have little.
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Pockets all over the place.
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Is going to be pretty much the same, and Mill Creek is going to be.
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The same as well.
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The same as they were last. That's that was, that's the feeling of the liaisons. They haven't voted on it.
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But that was the feeling that they were going to get. They were first. Mill Creek is banned, right?
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Yeah, it's way more strict than Holiday. It's more strict than.
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Yeah, So yeah. And I thought Cottonwood Heights was more strict than holiday, too. No, Hardwood Heights has a lot of.
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Checkerboard.
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Goofiness. So the fact that Mill Creek can ban.
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Fireworks on the East End of the city, which is basically as Far East as the entire city of Holiday is.
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If I'm remembering what you.
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Explained to me before it's because they never.
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Retreated. They never allowed.
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Fireworks, they just.
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They just keep continuing. And so because of that, they can continue it. They don't have to justify.
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Walking back, is that right? I don't think that's right. Oh, you know, that's right.
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No, the same conditions in the statute.
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Have to be.
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A specific finding by a council and.
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You may look to your past practice to say we have these kind of conditions and this is where we drew the line, but your past line
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has nothing to do with.
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Satisfying the statutory OK, good to know.
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Thank you.
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So we have a free hand to make whatever decision we feel best.
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I just happen to think looking to precedent is.
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Helps. I think it's happening.
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Well, and I, I like the idea and I said this when we were making the decisions in the past, I think.
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Government can be nimble in so few things.
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But I think this is 1 where we can be more nimble and on.
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Years where?
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There's a lot of water.
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I think.
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I think we could.
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Use restrictions and then years where.
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We're looking at.
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More drought conditions, I think.
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I like the idea of being nimble and approaching it that way.
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Any other comments?
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So the only thing I would highlight for the Council if you and Stephanie, if you could pull up.
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Are 25 map.
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There was an area that was.
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Included as a permissible area for fireworks last year.
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That.
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You may want to revisit if you stay with a map that looks something like this.
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And that is the.
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Park and ride.
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Mill Rock and Old Mill. Oh yes.
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I'm just going to say right now, yes, that needs to be revisited.
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Is that because of activity we saw there?
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Yes.
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Yeah, I'd like to just advocate right now that we.
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Don't allow that, regardless of other decisions that we make.
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OK. Thank you.
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All right. Anything else on that?
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Agenda item.
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OK, let's go to the business license fee discussion.
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OK, so included in your packet is the answers to some questions that you posed.
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The last time we had Fred Philpott.
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With us to talk about the business license fee.
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Study umm.
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I wanted to just.
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Spend a little bit of time going through that information and some past conversations.
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Because this has taken some time.
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Umm, just to remind you of where we are. And that's what Stephanie is bringing up right now.
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So just starting at the very beginning, two years ago, the prior council authorized us to.
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Take a look at our business license fees to determine costs associated with providing services.
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To our business community.
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The fees that we charge for those businesses can either supplement other general fund dollars or they can completely cover those
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costs and that.
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That that's up to you.
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The study found that the cost of us providing services.
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Two businesses is about a million dollars, 900.
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$41,000.
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And we've been collecting over the last five years. I think our average is right around $290,000 from business license fees. So
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the general fund is making up.
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Other tax sources are making up the rest of.
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How we cover those costs?
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The other thing that the business license.
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Fee study found is that some business types have a disproportionate impact on that total cost.
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So not everybody's the same in.
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In what they cost the city to be a business here.
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So if you could go to the next slide.
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Guide.
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Here's the guidance that we think we've heard from the council to date.
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We think you've said that business license fees.
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Should supplement other general fund dollars.
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And that fees don't need to cover 100% of the cost of providing services to our business community.
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I think we've heard that loud and clear.
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We've also heard that business types that have a disproportionate impact should pay.
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A disproportionate fee.
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But we've also heard that businesses don't need to cover 100% of that disproportionate impact.
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The guidance that we've had to date has varied between 25 and 40% depending on those business groupings and we'll look at those in
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just a second.
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I wanted to highlight what I think.
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The answers to that?
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Are in your packet.
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Mean for some business group.
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Many business groups will payless.
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Under the new.
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Proposed structure.
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So 85% of our business licenses that we issue are renewals in our community.
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And that means that most businesses are going to payless.
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With the new structure.
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Some businesses and.
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Hang on just a second, I have a list of those groups.
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So our most common business grouping which is the business professional and contracted services.
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The new cost of a business license will increase.
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But most will payless.
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Restaurants both with and without liquor.
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Will payless for both the renewal.
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And a new license.
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We do have a few businesses that are going to see an increase.
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And that includes.
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Banks. Convenience stores.
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Grocery stores. Pharmacies.
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Regulated home occupations, things that have to go, businesses that have to go through our conditional use process.
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On and off.
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Promised beer retailers and hotels.
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All of those groups.
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Are going to see an increase.
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This new fund.
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Fee structure that we've been talking about is projected to generate.
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Approximately $70,000 in additional revenue.
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However, that includes a lot of your conversations have focused on.
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What do we do about assisted living and.
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Nursing facilities.
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So if.
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The disproportionate impact for.
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Nursing.
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Residential and personal care remains up 40%.
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That would equal that $70,000 in additional revenue.
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If you.
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However, wanted to take that to 25% the way you have for some other categories.
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It would basically be revenue neutral.
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So the next slide.
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Looks at where we had ended up.
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On disproportionate fees.
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By groupings and that.
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Occluded an adjustment.
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To 40% of the disproportionate for some and.
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Had reduced to 25%.
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For those that you had categorized as generating economic benefits for the city.
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Economic development related.
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Groupings like.
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Convenience stores and.
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Gas stations.
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Grocery stores. Hotels.
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Pharmacies and drug stores.
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And then 40%.
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For a few other categories.
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So.
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Next slide.
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This evening I think we're really looking for direction on assisted living in nursing homes.
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Where you end up?
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With them, also included in your packet is the answer to your question about adjacent communities and what they're charging.
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So we're looking for direction as the council comfortable with us starting to do some outreach regarding these potential new fees.
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Knowing that.
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You won't adopt them until you adopt.
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The budget.
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In June.
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And by outreach, tell me what?
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Exactly. That looks like. So it could look a variety of different ways. I think we would use the business Advisory Board to start
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some of those conversations.
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With business.
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Groups.
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And then probably some direct outreach to.
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Groups that.
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Like assisted living in nursing homes, that might see some.
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Larger impacts.
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Just to get their feedback.
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Would that be done through like surveys or direct contact or?
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I'm anticipating that a lot of it would be.
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I mean traditional kind of public engagement.
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Flyers, that sort of thing.
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With an opportunity than to have.
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Conversations, yeah.
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So.
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In my view, though, the only one that's really outstanding in my mind again is the assisted living. And so I kind of wanted to hit
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the details of those.
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In terms of.
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What?
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We're charging now.
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And and then.
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What the proposed?
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And we're looking at it, we're talking 40% then I mean the real element is the cost per unit.
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So at 40%, we're saying that's 300 bucks.
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A bed, essentially.
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And how does that compare with what we're charging now?
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And then?
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I'd want to look at.
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Equivalents.
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Our surrounding neighboring communities.
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Because it seemed to me when I looked at.
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But I did a little bit of my own research which.
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Not very deep.
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That that was going to be.
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Significantly higher than.
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Neighboring communities.
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So currently our base for a nursing, residential and personal care is a $200 base.
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And $44 per resident.
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The proposal would take that to a 330 base.
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Plus 299.
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60 per bed.
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So it because.
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Because we're going from a resident.
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To a bed, it's hard to make a.
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Perfect apples to apples comparison the last.
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Sheet.
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Called assisted living comparisons.
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Also looks at.
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What we would be proposing?
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Versus where other cities are.
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I.
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And we would be.
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Our base would be higher.
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And at 40%?
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The disproportionate.
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Amount would be higher as well.
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I thought we were talking about doing it at 25%.
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So if we take it.
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Where we had left the conversation was it?
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40 if we take it to 25.
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I had done this math somewhere, let me see if I can find it.
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I think it would take it from 299.
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To 180.
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And even that.
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Higher than everybody else, Yeah, we'd still be on top.
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It is.
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But our costs are higher than everyone else.
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Our costs relative to our neighbors.
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So looking at.
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The disproportionate impacts.
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That's what it.
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So S Jordans could be as high as 901.
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So they went from.
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They went to.
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5%.
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Our costs are higher than Linden's.
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Murray charges a disproportionate fee only to group homes.
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Midvale does not charge a disproportionate fee for assisted living.
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And Mill Creek is.
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Limited it's $145 per bed with.
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A $10 disproportionate fee.
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Why are our costs?
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That that is, that would be another study, whether it is just the number of beds we have, whether it is.
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Practices within our homes? That would be hard to say.
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Well, it Could it be that Mill Creek and Cottonwood Heights haven't reevaluated?
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It absolutely could.
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It absolutely could that that would make more sense.
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Yeah, Cottonwood Heights is about to go through this same process.
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Understand, but they haven't done it quite yet.
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So yeah.
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Certainly for document 40 versus 25, I think it's pretty easy to knock down to 25 and not feel too bad about it because we're
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still on the high end of the market.
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Yeah.
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And then that would make.
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In terms of our overall budget, we would make it revenue neutral, revenue neutral because the other even though we're.
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It's getting significantly more revenues in this group.
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Were losing revenue and.
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In the other ones.
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Like for the renewal process exactly.
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Right.
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These fees are these, is this the renewal fee or is this the new fee?
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So.
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The disproportionate fee.
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Is regardless right?
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It is but because the base will go down.
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Many businesses will see a reduction, so the fee comparison.
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We'll give you an example of that. Let's just take automotive.
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Now I remember looking at that I wanted to compare the specific with the.
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Nursing homes.
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So that is about.
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1/3 of the way down the.
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Page and that is the $200 base.
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Plus $44 per resident.
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Versus the.
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330 base.
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Plus 299.
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For a renewal though, that base goes to 87.
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Plus 299.
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But that's the 299 at the 40%.
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Right, so it would be.
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87 plus let's say 187.
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For the disproportion.
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OK.
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But also, but I'm thinking I'll I'm getting more comfortable with that.
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25% number, even though it's a higher end of the market just in terms of the.
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Total.
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Cost per month for rental for those?
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I really wonder if Mill Creek and Cottonwood Heights do this if we would be more in the middle.
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Or like.
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More comparable to the market than what it looks like currently. Yeah, that's hard to predict, but.
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Just in terms of.
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We're starting to approach.
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The the higher end of the market as opposed to being double the market.
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At 299.
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Yeah, that's yeah.
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And I'm OK being at the higher end of the market.
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Because they were providing a lot of up.
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UFA services to those folks.
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But then you talk about.
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If you breakdown that annual cost.
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Prepared by month compared to the monthly rental.
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It becomes a small.
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Smaller percentage of the total.
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And it just feels more digestible.
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Yeah, yeah, I.
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I think I'm where you are.
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I'm seeing nods.
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Is everyone comfortable with that, at least as a starting place?
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For conversations, I think.
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For most of our business community, this will be.
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Received really well because it will mean a reduction.
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Or most businesses, right?
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And an equalization and a.
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Acceptance of more responsibility for their type of business when they are.
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Occurring more constant to us.
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Yeah. And I think you can make a case for especially for nursing homes where they're.
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They are using our services very regularly.
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Yeah. I'm also OK with the level of subsidy we're making, because they are.
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They're a business, but they're also a.
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Replacement for our residents.
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Yeah. And they do get the residential exemption in terms of the property tax side.
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So that I think we.
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We do have some justification for.
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Providing some subsidy there.
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Yeah, but we've been.
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Perhaps over subsidizing?
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Yeah, I would agree with that.
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Are we going to run into any problems? I know we talked about before that we have to.
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If we pull nursing homes out of the.
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Generating.
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Income discount.
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Are we going to run into problems?
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On that end.
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In terms of.
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Over our overall revenue or just from a fairness standpoint?
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I mean, I mean I.
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Think we can?
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I think some of the points that the mayor just made.
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Will be sufficient.
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We'll need to look at that, but.
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At first blush, I feel comfortable with that.
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I feel like it's really truly a legislative decision that's a judgment call, the legislative body.
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As long as it's.
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You know, it's got some rationale to it.
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OK. All right. Well, I appreciate the direction. Thank you and we'll.
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Will incorporate this into the tentative budget and I'm sure it won't be the last time we talk about it.
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Gina, thank you and for everyone, I mean, I know we.
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Contracted out with.
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Fred for a lot of this work, but it's, it's been a lot of work and we appreciate.
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OK. Thank you.
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OK, Anything else? Otherwise we'll proceed to.
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Retreat goals, yes.
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So in your packet is a summary of what?
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I think where I think we landed on our.
[1:41:22]
Our goals for the upcoming year.
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I just wanted you to take a look at them and make sure that I got them all correct.
[1:41:31]
Because as you'll remember from the retreat, this was at the end of the night and.
[1:41:37]
Handwriting got a lot less clearer and we didn't have a chance to go over them before we adjourned.
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So our priority, our first priority remains that we are a safe community.
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We.
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We prioritized regular predictable emergency response training as well as.
[1:41:58]
Replacing our soon to be leaving us Emergency Management Coordinator.
[1:42:04]
Talked about a couple of sidewalk fill in projects.
[1:42:08]
Working with UPD to make sure that children in particular are aware of the new state law and restrictions around.
[1:42:17]
E bikes and E motorcycles and the whole variety of.
[1:42:24]
Toys that are available and that we sometimes see on our roads.
[1:42:28]
We talked about opportunities for fire hydrant maintenance.
[1:42:33]
And then working to continue addressing perceived speeding.
[1:42:38]
Anything else?
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In that area.
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Priority two.
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Excellent public assets and infrastructure.
[1:42:49]
Executing our plan for City Hall began working on.
[1:42:52]
Spring Lane or the park to be named later.
[1:42:56]
Maintaining parks at a high level.
[1:42:59]
Developing.
[1:43:00]
More beautification spots around the city.
[1:43:04]
Continue to explore opportunities for park restrooms offseason.
[1:43:09]
Exploring funding for active transportation and trails priorities.
[1:43:13]
And.
[1:43:14]
Floor plans for additional trails.
[1:43:18]
Anything else?
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There.
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OK. Third priority risk.
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Responsible.
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Responsive, efficient and sustainable city government.
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Explore additional communications channels.
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And we're going to talk about.
[1:43:37]
An opportunity there next week.
[1:43:40]
We wanted to share communications.
[1:43:43]
Metrics. Umm.
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Highlight our website.
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Engage at the state and local level.
[1:43:49]
Explore a state of the city or 10.
[1:43:52]
And or town halls.
[1:43:55]
And foster outreach and education on housing.
[1:44:01]
OK.
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Priority. Umm.
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For responsible development that enhances community.
[1:44:10]
Expand opportunities for commercial nodes, exploring CDA's where appropriate.
[1:44:15]
Clarify policy to support.
[1:44:17]
Support affordable housing.
[1:44:19]
Help businesses identify grant opportunities.
[1:44:22]
Support local mom and pop businesses and explore opportunities for targeted commercial development.
[1:44:34]
OK. And priority five, a great place to live.
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Explore opportunities for us to participate or for our residents to.
[1:44:44]
Get Olympic fever. Some sort of.
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Some sort of link to holiday?
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Explore community theater options.
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Activate the village center.
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Explore taking events to neighborhoods.
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Continue with the village lighting.
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Explore.
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A mural, fest or some?
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Additional public art and both long term and short term.
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Things like yarn.
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And bring back the fun run.
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Is that I'm not familiar with the fund run.
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I mean, I'm fine. I'm fine bringing something back.
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What was it?
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So, and this also predates me I and I believe this is still on the list.
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From Council.
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Brewer, who is an advocate of the fun run.
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I think it was.
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Kind of a short run associated with the 4th of July.
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OK.
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I'm not seeing as much consensus on this one. I don't know. I.
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I'm not a runner, but.
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Lots of people are so.
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I think it'd be a fun community event.
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So I support it.
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Should we leave it on and see what happens?
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Yeah, take a look at it.
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We might tie in charge of it.
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He just volunteered to be.
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Community, Yeah.
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All right, Leader Charge.
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Well, if this is the right list of priorities.
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So if you take a look at this and have anything.
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More specific to add to any of these categories anything that I didn't capture.
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From our conversation a few months ago.
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Please let me know.
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Now I thought that retreat meeting was really when.
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Fantastically.
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And we had a lot of great engagement and.
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I really felt really good about how that went.
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Great, Greg.
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All right, great. Thank you.
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OK, let's proceed then to item.
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E regarding communication options.
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Oh, OK. So we're not doing that one. That's next week.
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OK, so then.
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Just to finish up then we are, we have.
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Council meeting next week.
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And then the first three weeks in May, which will be very budget focused I expect.
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We closed session or no?
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Well then.
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That only leaves one thing.
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Motion to adjourn.
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2nd.
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All in favor.
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Aye.