[0:00] Well, good afternoon everybody, and welcome to the Holiday City Planning Commission work meeting.

[0:05] Tuesday, May 29th, 2026 It's 5:32 PM and we have all commissioners in attendance except for Commissioner Font.

[0:14] And we have city staff and legal council president and we have two items on our agenda, well, three.

[0:22] Correct me if I'm wrong.

[0:23] There were no minutes to read.

[0:26] Nobody had any minutes to read, so we will.

[0:29] Table that one until.

[0:32] We get a chance to look at them.

[0:36] They're they're out there and we will look at them at some point. Tonight was not the night.

[0:41] So.

[0:44] That's it. Oh, and Commissioner fonts coming in right now. Hey.

[0:48] So full team. All right, here we go. And the first one is the continued.

[0:54] Item we had from last time, which was the Lewin accessory building and I believe we left the public comment on that open. Is that

[0:58] right?

[1:04] And continued, OK.

[1:07] Yes, he did. So John, if you want to give us.

[1:09] Refresher or carry?

[1:11] Yeah.

[1:14] So for conditional use permits for accessory buildings you've seen.

[1:18] These types of applications before.

[1:21] Essentially.

[1:24] There's a.

[1:25] Table of allowed uses.

[1:27] They can build an accessory building.

[1:30] Up to a certain size that can be approved by staff.

[1:34] They can't exceed.

[1:35] That footprint size, if they have a large piece of property or whatever.

[1:38] Conditions they may present.

[1:41] But.

[1:42] There may be conditions that need to be applied by the Planning Commission.

[1:47] Based upon type of architecture, buffering, landscaping.

[1:51] Those types of things. Lighting.

[1:53] That may.

[1:54] Cause problems when you're.

[1:55] Building footprint large.

[1:57] Than what's permitted.

[1:59] In this case.

[2:00] The building's already built.

[2:03] You have some non conforming setbacks on the South side.

[2:06] And I like to convert this building into an AD.

[2:10] Last year, maybe it was a.

[2:12] Year before.

[2:14] You approved some external accessory dwelling unit standards that allows for this type of situation to occur if there's non

[2:18] conformities.

[2:22] They can.

[2:23] Elect to have some conditions that buffer that or mitigate that.

[2:29] The applicant has provided you a narrative of what they plan to do.

[2:33] To make sure that.

[2:34] Sound buffering and some landscaping.

[2:37] Lighting things.

[2:39] They were here.

[2:40] Presented reasons.

[2:41] Behind the external.

[2:45] I'm pretty sure they'll come again.

[2:47] Tonight.

[2:48] But that's pretty much the extent of the application is.

[2:52] Applying conditions so that it mitigates any adverse impact.

[2:56] On the especially the neighborhood.

[2:57] So that's where the non conforming set back is.

[3:01] The use itself is not the condition.

[3:03] It's the. It's the size of the building.

[3:06] And its proximity to the South property line.

[3:10] And there were.

[3:11] Buffering requirement.

[3:12] Requirements or.

[3:14] Internal insulation requirements that were required as they.

[3:18] Prepared that structure for dwelling, is that right?

[3:22] No windows or doors on that South side.

[3:25] Everything will be accessed from the opposite side.

[3:29] So other than that, if there's any.

[3:31] Other landscaping or other.

[3:34] Fencing wall details that you deem appropriate.

[3:37] Those are the type of conditions that could be applied.

[3:40] And this is one of those cases where?

[3:43] It's not so much that the building.

[3:46] Is bigger than that. The structure is bigger than it should be.

[3:50] It's that the set back is too small.

[3:53] In this case.

[3:56] And is it also non conforming for the lot size?

[4:00] That would be.

[4:01] That relationship is to the set back.

[4:04] The lot size controls the set back, yes. OK.

[4:07] Well, I if I memory serves, don't you have to have like a minimum of half acre in order to have?

[4:13] And Adu on the property or am I dreaming that was a guest house?

[4:17] Adus are allowed on.

[4:19] All properties now. OK, yeah.

[4:21] So even an R.

[4:22] 28 could have an Adu if it was small enough and work with setbacks only limited to single family home.

[4:29] Take that back so single family house is on.

[4:32] Whatever lot size.

[4:33] Internal Adus.

[4:35] Are allowed anywhere.

[4:37] OK.

[4:39] So is there a?

[4:42] With the conversion from a garage to a.

[4:44] Dwelling in it.

[4:46] The structures in the set back.

[4:48] Is there a fire code requirement that?

[4:51] They have to rebuild that wall so that it meets fire code.

[4:54] I appreciate the fire department being here just for this.

[4:57] Great question.

[4:59] During the review of the building permit, if the condition unit is, is.

[5:03] Approved, Uh.

[5:04] The building permit review.

[5:06] From the fire department and the building.

[5:08] Official will definitely have to require.

[5:11] Fire separations to occur, so they can't have any openings in there if it's in.

[5:15] Within the three foot set back correct?

[5:18] I think it's.

[5:19] 5 Is it five or three?

[5:26] Yeah, I think it's, I think it's fine. But yeah that that would be a requirement. OK. So it is in the set back. So that is a

[5:29] question.

[5:33] OK. All right. Thank you.

[5:36] And for that same sort of.

[5:38] Down that same line.

[5:39] It is going.

[5:40] Through getting a building permit so.

[5:44] It makes me nervous that they've got a.

[5:46] They're parking cars and grandma in the same building.

[5:49] Which?

[5:50] Was not designed for either.

[5:53] So I mean I assume that.

[5:55] It it would be have to be built to code I guess is the question.

[6:00] That's what.

[6:01] They are going for a building permit. That's what started this.

[6:06] That's what starting is, converging from a utility use.

[6:09] To a residential use.

[6:11] So but.

[6:13] In order to get there.

[6:14] They have to get requests.

[6:15] During the Planning Commission to exceed the size of it.

[6:18] So you do approve it or you don't approve it tonight? They're still going to have to figure out how to architecturally.

[6:24] Get compatibility with the building code to convert it from utility.

[6:27] To residential.

[6:29] OK, then I'll stop worrying about that. That's none of my damn business is a planting fish, but it's good to know this is this is

[6:34] just their first step to get to a building permit.

[6:40] OK, what about?

[6:42] The driveway access itself, like I'm looking at the schematic up in front of us. Is there enough room for?

[6:49] Do they have to have enough room for two cars to be able to get in and out?

[6:54] No, not with.

[6:55] There isn't a standard width for a driveway.

[6:57] There is however a requirement in your.

[7:00] Ordinance that requires a.

[7:01] Garage so you can't.

[7:03] Remove a garage without replacing one.

[7:05] So they're.

[7:06] This whole I think the whole building was a shop into two car garage.

[7:10] So that reducing that down to a single car.

[7:13] Which technically still complies.

[7:15] But no, there's no width requirement for the driveway.

[7:17] Gotcha. I was thinking.

[7:20] Extra carbon monoxide detectors in there, right?

[7:25] I'm a little bit troubled I.

[7:27] If if they were building another building there.

[7:31] They'd have to comply with the setbacks.

[7:34] But because we're letting him convert it to an Adu.

[7:37] The fact that they didn't comply with the setbacks.

[7:40] Is ignored.

[7:42] What was in order to begin with?

[7:45] The the property owner moved into a situation that they have no history of.

[7:50] Frankly, when we have that aerials pulled.

[7:53] It was about the time when we incorporated this area.

[7:56] Into the city.

[7:58] So there's a lot of.

[8:00] Masonry and other garage type structures within the city that have one foot.

[8:06] 2 foot setbacks that you were allowed by the county at the time.

[8:10] And those were the specific types of scenarios that the Council and the Planning Commission, we were looking at conversions of

[8:13] Adus.

[8:17] We're considering.

[8:18] In order to keep it.

[8:20] Affordable.

[8:20] Rather than having to tear the entire thing down just to gain 3 feet.

[8:24] What can you do to mitigate that?

[8:26] Three feet, so there's a table.

[8:28] I saw Kerry bring it over once.

[8:31] A table of allowed.

[8:33] Situations to reduce.

[8:35] A non conforming set back by certain percentages.

[8:39] And I I think this is a section that.

[8:43] The council specifically wanted so I'm not sure if.

[8:47] Use the Planning Commission review this section. So that's why your.

[8:51] Probably less familiar with it, or feels less familiar because.

[8:55] You'd hadn't.

[8:57] Seen that the portion where they were doing a conversion?

[9:01] So specifically, it's this 0.8 conversion of existing accessory buildings.

[9:06] Including nonconforming structures.

[9:09] Is allowed with standards.

[9:11] So it has to meet the same design standards.

[9:14] So they'd have to modify things to make sure it meets those design standards for any detached accessory dwelling unit.

[9:20] Here's your footprint size structures that don't conform to the footprint size.

[9:24] Have to go to the Planning Commission, same as.

[9:27] Any other non standard accessory building?

[9:30] Structures that don't conform to setbacks.

[9:33] Shall select set back reduction measures.

[9:36] In this chart.

[9:39] And then they can't add a second.

[9:41] Story above. 12 beats.

[9:44] So this is the chart.

[9:46] So we were looking at this and.

[9:48] Specifically.

[9:50] As to assessing impacts.

[9:53] So that was the logic behind this chart or what are the, what are the impacts?

[9:58] From.

[9:58] Now switching a building that is already there.

[10:01] So the physicality of a of a structure already exists.

[10:05] How can?

[10:06] How can that?

[10:08] Impacts from.

[10:09] Now having that be.

[10:11] Lived in.

[10:12] Accessory dwelling unit.

[10:14] How can those impacts be mitigated?

[10:16] So.

[10:18] And it's designed as.

[10:21] We know that they have a non compliance set back.

[10:23] So how much?

[10:25] Reduction. Do they have to have? In this case they have to reduce by.

[10:30] Like 0.75 feet or is it a full foot?

[10:34] It's no, it's a full foot.

[10:36] Of wholefoot, so they're looking for reducing a foot of their setbacks so that they can.

[10:43] Be compliant.

[10:44] So it's, it already exists. It already has an.

[10:47] Client set back.

[10:48] So they have to do some extra stuff.

[10:51] To get that.

[10:53] The impact of that close set back.

[10:56] Reduced.

[10:58] So they were proposing this upgraded.

[11:01] Energy efficient materials and constructions.

[11:05] Or construction materials.

[11:06] To reduce sound specifically on that wall.

[11:10] Which theoretically could allow them to reduce.

[11:13] 100% of their setback, but that's not what they're going right. So that's looking at we looked at.

[11:19] The masonry type of construction that that John was referring to were some of those have 0 setbacks, so.

[11:26] If you're.

[11:27] Going to the.

[11:29] Sometimes substantial cost of doing those energy efficient upgrades and sound reducing upgrades.

[11:37] Because converting an existing structure sometimes is more costly than.

[11:41] Tearing it down and building new in some cases so.

[11:44] It's it was a.

[11:47] Something that was assessed to be.

[11:49] High impact.

[11:50] To reduce.

[11:51] Some of the the major concerns with.

[11:54] Having an accessory dwelling unit that close.

[11:57] And in this case, I think their garage is on.

[12:00] One size, so they're retaining the garage on the.

[12:03] Close side for the front part of it and then on the back part is where they have living space.

[12:09] So is there only one garage?

[12:12] A2 car garage for the.

[12:14] Both homes.

[12:16] There's a garage and I don't know that it has a car in it, but there's a garage in the front building also.

[12:22] A single car garage. Or at least there's a single car garage door on the front building.

[12:28] OK.

[12:30] Yeah, that dimension on that on the floor plan on your screens.

[12:33] I think is only as wide as the first single car garage.

[12:39] You know, Carrie made a really great point. This is this chart when when it was adopted.

[12:43] Was something that we counted toward.

[12:46] Our state requirement for moderate income housing.

[12:49] Allowances.

[12:52] In order to reduce that.

[12:53] That cost of getting an accessory dwelling unit on the property.

[12:59] And we have carte blanche to.

[13:01] Impose what's necessary to.

[13:03] Mitigate.

[13:05] Yeah, if you find.

[13:07] Conditions that need to be mitigated.

[13:09] Then you can.

[13:10] Impose the conditions. Nothing less than two inch granite will be acceptable.

[13:18] I'm just kidding.

[13:19] I know, Brad. Just to be clear, it's not carte blanche.

[13:24] Reasonably.

[13:25] Read all that, man. Reasonably anticipated.

[13:29] Detrimental effects can mitigated.

[13:31] Reasonably.

[13:32] Give me an inch, I take a mile. What can I say?

[13:34] So our biggest issue is sound.

[13:38] Your biggest issue is.

[13:40] How to mitigate the?

[13:43] It can be any one of those.

[13:45] What they're selecting sound.

[13:49] And they said down there.

[13:50] Back while they were going to put in a window, but it was going to be on the like larger.

[13:56] Part of it is that right? Like not right up against the fence part of it.

[14:01] Yeah.

[14:05] OK. Other questions on this one.

[14:09] I just I wasn't here last time. Why was this continued?

[14:13] We had a.

[14:14] Oh, OK.

[14:16] Yeah, yeah.

[14:18] All right. And then.

[14:19] Wasatch Waldorf amended site plan.

[14:24] Which this is a school and if.

[14:26] I read the packet right.

[14:27] We really don't get to say anything at all to schools.

[14:31] You can.

[14:33] But they can still do it anyway.

[14:35] Well, yeah, I mean.

[14:38] So.

[14:40] As you just as an overview you do.

[14:42] Are well municipalities are empowered with certain regulatory powers.

[14:48] And those regulatory powers can be.

[14:51] Extended to certain applications.

[14:54] Except when it's another subdivision of the state.

[14:57] Schools and charter schools.

[15:00] State code has some provisions that are very.

[15:03] Very specific, in particular as to how you act.

[15:07] As a land use body.

[15:09] Regulatory body when these types of things are.

[15:11] Being brought to you.

[15:13] We went through this.

[15:16] Exercise in 2016 when the when the school was placed.

[15:21] And I've included the approval letters from that meeting.

[15:25] In your packet.

[15:27] They have received approval from the state.

[15:30] Increase their student body.

[15:32] From 5.

[15:34] Numbers aren't in my head. 520 here to like 600.

[15:39] And in doing so, they want to add a gymnasium to the back of the school.

[15:42] Construction.

[15:43] Is reviewed by the State Building authority.

[15:47] With State Building officials and inspections, so we will not be involved in the.

[15:51] The construction inspection process.

[15:54] We can look at.

[15:55] Things like set back and massing.

[15:58] Which?

[15:58] Because of the placement of the of.

[16:01] The addition to the school does meet the P zone setbacks anyway.

[16:06] Really what we're looking at.

[16:08] Are things that we can regulate.

[16:10] Health and safety, Traffic circulation.

[16:13] And parking requirements.

[16:16] They are increasing the student body, which they're going to be adding.

[16:19] Teachers. Faculty.

[16:20] So that increases the parking requirement.

[16:23] One of the TRC requirements for that.

[16:26] Was to solidify a pre arranged parking agreement with the LDS church.

[16:31] Located.

[16:32] North across the street.

[16:35] They are supposed to come to you tonight with.

[16:39] That written agreement?

[16:41] I was told that they were reviewing that agreement.

[16:44] I'm expecting them to have it.

[16:47] Tonight if they don't.

[16:48] I'll get to that in a minute.

[16:51] The second scenario, so that deals with.

[16:54] On site.

[16:55] Requirements.

[16:57] Yes.

[16:58] You mean the church?

[17:00] Not directly across the street, but is.

[17:04] Like across the street and then an island and then a street, yeah.

[17:08] OK. Just making sure.

[17:10] Maybe it was before.

[17:11] Summer before last, we constructed a pedestrian.

[17:14] Active pedestrian activated crosswalk.

[17:18] Specifically for the situation, they had so much parking and they were.

[17:22] Walking, jaywalking essentially. So we tried to help them with that situation.

[17:26] And I think the school was very appreciative.

[17:29] Of that.

[17:31] So what we were requiring is ensuring that there's still parking.

[17:35] That is being provided off site.

[17:37] And not.

[17:38] In the streets or in the neighborhoods or in the in the.

[17:40] Park itself the Creekside.

[17:42] Park Regional Park.

[17:45] The other situation would be traffic circulation.

[17:48] Pick up and drop off times.

[17:50] Were something that we reviewed extensively in 2016.

[17:55] And modified over.

[17:57] Several months after they opened.

[18:00] Because of the if you've been up Murray Holiday Road at the time.

[18:04] That school starts and then when school ends.

[18:08] There was a problem with cars backing up all the way to almost to the intersection.

[18:13] In the travel lanes.

[18:15] So through UPD.

[18:17] And their.

[18:20] Principal who I think will definitely be here tonight.

[18:24] They modified their pickup and drop off locations to shorten that.

[18:28] Queuing line.

[18:29] It's been working great the past few years.

[18:32] But adding faculty and student body want to make sure that that doesn't get exasperated.

[18:38] So in order to accommodate the.

[18:41] Is the.

[18:43] Pick up and drop off lanes that runs around the backside of the property that also serves an emergency access.

[18:48] Road. We reviewed this road.

[18:52] Because of its proximity to the Big Cotwood Creek.

[18:55] We related that.

[18:56] The review of that road to the Creek based upon.

[19:00] Integrity of.

[19:01] Have become a Creeks bank.

[19:03] And flood control.

[19:05] We want we are ensuring that through this site plan that no.

[19:09] The curbside doesn't get any closer to the Creek than it actually is.

[19:13] And you'll see in the drawings it just gets lengthened.

[19:16] It goes in line with the existing driveway back further on the site so.

[19:20] TRC is satisfied that we're not getting any closer to Big Conway Creek than has already previously approved.

[19:27] However.

[19:28] Because it's also emergency access Rd.

[19:31] The width of that road.

[19:32] Needs to be wider than what this originally.

[19:36] Built and in this situation is one of the reasons why.

[19:41] I've invited our.

[19:43] Fire Marshall Area Fire Marshall David Bradley to join us to give.

[19:47] An overview of what specific?

[19:50] Concerns that.

[19:51] UFA has, especially with the state Fire Marshall office.

[19:55] So.

[20:02] Good evening.

[20:04] With this road.

[20:06] With the proposed plans that they're asking to put on a gymnasium.

[20:09] On the backside of the building.

[20:11] The size of the structure is going to be 13,000 square feet.

[20:15] More than likely, because it's a gymnasium, it's going to be over 40 feet tall.

[20:19] With our aerial apparatus we need at least a 26 foot wide Rd.

[20:23] In order to be able to set up our aerial apparatus.

[20:27] They are proposing only.

[20:29] 20 feet.

[20:30] Which would put our outriggers for our emergency vehicles.

[20:34] In the dirt, which would not.

[20:36] Help us be able to do that.

[20:38] And also.

[20:40] With it being that far back.

[20:42] They are proposing to move a hydrant.

[20:45] Further away from that new.

[20:47] Construction.

[20:48] I've been in contact with the state Fire Marshall's office.

[20:53] Because all schools.

[20:55] Go through their jurisdiction.

[20:56] And they want to have final say on what's going on.

[21:00] I've talked with Reed Thompson.

[21:02] He didn't know about.

[21:04] These plants, they said that Wasatch has communicated with them.

[21:07] But hasn't presented anything.

[21:09] To them for review.

[21:12] So when I got this information, they're saying, well, what do you feel? How do you feel about it?

[21:17] We just don't want to have.

[21:18] Them playing mom against dad.

[21:20] Saying well, the authority having jurisdiction said that this.

[21:24] State Farm Marshall.

[21:25] You're saying that?

[21:26] We want to make sure that we are on board.

[21:29] With the State Farm Marshall's office and not crossing any.

[21:32] Jurisdictional.

[21:35] The other issue that we have is where they want to move some of their.

[21:39] Outbuildings further up along the side of the building would also reduce.

[21:43] That emergency access.

[21:45] On the West side of the building.

[21:47] That has been presented.

[21:50] To the TRC.

[21:51] I've also relayed that to the State Fire Marshall's office.

[21:55] And before they go any further, they want to make sure.

[21:58] State Fire Marshall's office has stated that.

[22:01] They want Wasatch to understand.

[22:03] Before they go any further.

[22:04] They need to meet with the State Farmers Office to make sure that.

[22:07] Everything is in line.

[22:09] Before any kind of construction happens.

[22:12] With the road or with the building?

[22:14] Is it safe to say that?

[22:17] Your office and the State Fire Marshall's office are aligned.

[22:22] In our in the.

[22:24] The needs and.

[22:25] That is 100% requirements OK.

[22:28] Thank you for making that effort.

[22:30] Get all the ducks in a row ways.

[22:32] There's there's been many times that.

[22:35] We've seen.

[22:37] Well, this person has said this, this person has said that and their odds to the code.

[22:41] And with.

[22:43] Building with these many people.

[22:45] We want to make sure that we.

[22:47] Are protecting the citizens that we serve.

[22:50] Thank you. Thank you. I'm just.

[22:53] Say it again. You said that.

[22:54] The for that height.

[22:56] The minimum Rd. width is 252626.

[22:59] Thank you. I know that they.

[23:01] Put their scale on on the bottom of.

[23:03] Plans and so it's close.

[23:05] But that's also including the.

[23:08] So when we start putting out our outriggers, we would crush the curb or be.

[23:12] Slipping off the curb.

[23:13] OK. Thank you.

[23:14] Is there a danger to the?

[23:16] Creek if you were to put your outriggers out in the dirt.

[23:20] For example.

[23:22] No, it just puts our apparatus.

[23:24] And our personnel at risk.

[23:26] Which is even worse than than the Creek.

[23:30] OK.

[23:31] So.

[23:32] Yes, Sir, along that line.

[23:36] We wouldn't.

[23:38] You wouldn't want to see us approve a.

[23:42] A site plan that didn't include a 26 foot clear.

[23:46] Rodeway around the entire.

[23:49] Building his act.

[23:50] Am I understanding correctly that is correct?

[23:53] But before.

[23:54] And this is something that I think is.

[23:56] Vital for them to understand is that needs to come from the state Fire Marshall's office.

[24:01] Not just unified fire authority.

[24:04] So that way.

[24:05] When they present everything to you.

[24:09] It's just not well. The city planners agreed to doing this.

[24:13] But yet they're not meeting the codes and I want to make sure that the state fire marshals.

[24:18] Have an opportunity to make their comments.

[24:20] And they're reviews.

[24:22] To the school so that they completely understand.

[24:25] What is?

[24:26] Their responsibilities.

[24:28] For protecting the property and.

[24:30] Makes sense?

[24:33] In terms of moving a fire hydrant, that sounds.

[24:36] Drastic. I wouldn't think moving a hydrant away from a structure would be a good idea.

[24:41] It depends on.

[24:43] Where the hydrant is placed.

[24:46] Looking at what they're wanting to do is they want to move it.

[24:48] Further up the side of the building, away from the construction a little bit, that gives.

[24:53] More access.

[24:55] When we start laying out our hoes.

[24:57] But what we're looking at is we don't want to lay out that much house most of our.

[25:02] High velocity of.

[25:03] For high volume hoses.

[25:05] Or five inches in diameter and once they get full you can't move them.

[25:09] So instead of moving it.

[25:11] Further to the north and on the.

[25:13] Other side, we'd like to have at least moved back closer.

[25:17] To where we could set up and actually work the fire a little bit better.

[25:20] On the structure.

[25:23] And one more question just trying to think through.

[25:26] What their options might be?

[25:28] Is it possible that sections of the road could be?

[25:31] You know, 26 feet or wider and there are narrower sections or.

[25:35] Or logistically, actually, the whole Rd. needs to be.

[25:40] Wider, I have seen both.

[25:42] And yes.

[25:43] The minimum would be 20 feet wide.

[25:46] But the issue that we see.

[25:48] Is.

[25:49] The road is 20 feet here and then widened to 26 feet.

[25:53] But that 20 foot section?

[25:55] Falls into disrepair.

[25:57] And so now that 20 feet now becomes 15 feet and as we drive through that area.

[26:03] Now it is unstable. Or if we do have to set up.

[26:05] In that location.

[26:07] We have to move our apparatus to a different location.

[26:10] Further away from where we might need to be so having it all.

[26:14] 26 feet wide makes it.

[26:19] For apparatus usage along the whole side of the building.

[26:23] Thank you.

[26:23] Unless they know which part of the buildings ablaze. Right, Exactly.

[26:28] Only light fires.

[26:32] Any other questions?

[26:35] I just had one other thought.

[26:37] So we have two key issues.

[26:40] The fire issue and the agreement neither which we have.

[26:44] At 6:00.

[26:45] Before the meeting.

[26:46] So that was one of the the amendments when I send the packet to you.

[26:50] To amend the site plan.

[26:52] These comments were sent to the applicant.

[26:56] Three weeks ago.

[26:58] And presuming when we received back these new drawings.

[27:01] It would have the 26 foot white Rd. on there. They do not.

[27:05] And they still don't have an agreement, so they're going to ask to defer.

[27:10] These items that are high of high level review for the TRC.

[27:15] It's up to you.

[27:16] But I think as we learn from UFA, we'd rather have.

[27:19] Those agreements in place and.

[27:23] Very, very clearly shown on site plans that we're reviewing.

[27:26] Rather than leaving it to staff.

[27:29] Which we can definitely bird dog for you, absolutely.

[27:32] But umm.

[27:34] I think there's some steps that the staff took to ensure that this application is before you in a timely matter.

[27:40] They're going to mention that they need to have this gymnasium.

[27:44] Built and constructed for a next school year.

[27:48] So that's one of the reasons why you were here in front of it. It's in front of you now.

[27:53] But I think it's prudent to ensure safety and welfare just for the very small sections of.

[27:58] State codes were allowed purview.

[28:01] That we do our.

[28:01] Response Her due diligence.

[28:04] I don't want to speak on behalf of the Commission, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings to.

[28:08] Continue it and.

[28:09] Have everything come back?

[28:11] Fully in order before we.

[28:13] Put a signature on anything.

[28:16] Just my train of thought though.

[28:19] So I know our attorney would love to read the agreement and that and someone will want to analyze their final plan and that.

[28:30] Let's see what they bring but.

[28:32] Right. Yeah. We'll see what the applicant has for us here in a couple minutes.

[28:37] One quick question if I may. As far as fencing requirements, I mean this is up adjacent to the Frisbee park.

[28:43] Right. Umm.

[28:46] Is there any kind of?

[28:47] With schools in general.

[28:51] Security.

[28:53] That needs to be in place along.

[28:55] That east or.

[28:57] Southern.

[28:58] Part of it.

[28:58] Because it looks like.

[29:00] The I don't know whatever a whole of the Frisbee park is right where they're planning to put the gym.

[29:06] Yes, however.

[29:09] We kind of.

[29:11] Bridge, so to speak.

[29:12] And 10 years ago.

[29:15] State code uses the word.

[29:17] Municipality may not impose requirements for landscaping, fencing, aesthetic consideration that goes on and.

[29:24] Unless you have a very specific.

[29:26] Objective.

[29:27] Tie to health and safety.

[29:31] It's very difficult, it would be very difficult to impose that regulation.

[29:35] I have had conversations with the principals over the years and the interaction with the Frisbee Park players.

[29:41] She says.

[29:42] Other than.

[29:43] Couple of students being hit by a stray frisbee.

[29:46] And those that land on the roof.

[29:47] There really hasn't been any.

[29:48] Problems.

[29:50] OK, I just.

[29:52] My my wife's a principal.

[29:53] For not a charter school, but one of the you know.

[29:57] State districts and.

[29:59] Like.

[30:00] Security is a big deal in fencing is a big deal, so that's why I just.

[30:05] Kind of curious on that when I look at this big open space where any rando can just walk right in.

[30:10] Yeah, but OK.

[30:12] If that's if that's them, that's them, they'll figure it out.

[30:18] All right, great. And other questions about this one?

[30:22] OK. All right.

[30:25] Well, with that.

[30:28] We will conclude the work meeting and.

[30:32] Do we want?

[30:33] Anyone need a quick break or we get to just roll right into the regular?

[30:38] All right, ready.

[30:40] Carrie, we're ready.

[30:41] All right, here we go. Well, good evening, everyone. Welcome to the Holiday City Planning Commission.

[30:46] Meeting Tuesday, May 19th.

[30:48] 2026.

[30:50] We have two items on the agenda and the third is going to be moved for a future meeting because we did not get the meeting

[30:54] minutes.

[30:59] And so with that.

[31:02] It looks like we might have a couple members of the public that are here tonight and I have asked.

[31:08] Vice Chair Prince, if she would go ahead and read that for us now.

[31:12] The City of Holiday Planning Commission is a volunteer citizen board.

[31:16] Whose function is to review land use plans and other special studies.

[31:21] Make recommendations to the City Council on proposed zoning map and ordinance changes.

[31:26] And approve conditional uses and subdivisions.

[31:30] The Planning Commission does not initiate land use applications.

[31:34] Rather, acts on applications as they are submitted.

[31:37] Commissioners do not meet with applicants except at publicly noticed meetings.

[31:43] Commissioners attempt to visit each property on the agenda.

[31:46] Where the location? The nature of the neighborhood?

[31:49] Existing structures and uses related to the proposed change are noted.

[31:54] Decisions are based on observations, recommendations from the professional planning staff.

[32:00] The city's general plan.

[32:02] Zoning ordinance and other reports.

[32:04] By all verbal and written comments and by evidence submitted.

[32:08] All of which are part of the public record.

[32:11] Thank you very much, Vice Chair.

[32:13] And with that, we will roll into the.

[32:18] First item that we have on our agenda, which is a continued.

[32:22] Public hearing for the Lewin Accessory Building.

[32:26] And if city staff wants to give us a quick overview of that.

[32:37] Thank you, Chair Roach.

[32:39] Yeah, As you mentioned, this is a continued public hearing and I do want to publicly apologize for the the applicants for delaying

[32:43] this for them.

[32:47] We did have an issue with.

[32:49] Noticing.

[32:50] We want to ensure that we have give proper notice the state requires.

[32:55] So that necessitated.

[32:56] Continuing this application.

[32:59] The first item.

[33:01] For consideration as a request for conditional use permit at.

[33:04] 5755 E Minden Drive.

[33:07] The conditional use relates to.

[33:10] The building's footprint?

[33:13] There are permitted footprint sizes that are allowed by city ordinance.

[33:17] Alternatively, if an applicant is looking to exceed those permitted footprint sizes, that conditional use permit can be sought.

[33:24] And approved by the Planning Commission.

[33:26] In this situation, the building under review is already constructed.

[33:31] It does have some non conforming setbacks on the South side.

[33:34] Which?

[33:36] One of the other.

[33:37] Considerations that the.

[33:38] Planning Commission has requested a review tonight.

[33:42] Other than the comments that I provided.

[33:44] Our work meeting.

[33:45] I'll be able to detect and take any other additional questions that the Planning Commission might have.

[33:52] Questions for city staff.

[33:55] All righty. And I don't think we need to invite the applicant up because they were here last time.

[34:01] For members of the public, this is a continued hearing.

[34:05] And if you did not get a chance to speak on it then the last meeting and wish to speak on it tonight, you're welcome to come to

[34:08] the podium.

[34:11] We just ask that you state your name and address for the record.

[34:15] And that you try and keep comments to 3 minutes or less.

[34:18] And with that, are there any members of the public that wish to speak on this item tonight?

[34:25] All right, looks like.

[34:27] Not tonight.

[34:28] With that, we'll go ahead and close the.

[34:31] Public hearing for this and commissioners.

[34:35] Any additional?

[34:37] Questions for staff, the applicant or discussion points before a motion is entertained on this.

[34:46] On this footprint.

[34:47] Is there different sizes that we're considering?

[34:50] Maybe I'm confused.

[34:52] Because I see in the motion.

[34:53] That you have to give a footprint size.

[34:57] So, John, maybe?

[34:59] You can help us because there's a lot of blanks on the.

[35:01] The motion.

[35:02] Let's see, Hang on one second.

[35:16] So you're talking about.

[35:18] Yeah. So if I can help you fill in those blanks, I.

[35:22] The the first one.

[35:24] I obviously as the applicant itself.

[35:26] The footprint is your.

[35:30] Hang on, let me get through the staff report here.

[35:37] So 850 square feet.

[35:41] Would be the the footprint that you're looking to review?

[35:44] And then the non conforming set back would be the four point.

[35:48] I think 7 five feet on the South side.

[35:51] In the R110 zone. Sorry, I didn't realize that those were not filled in for you.

[35:55] It's OK, I just thought.

[36:02] All right. Great question.

[36:04] And.

[36:05] With that, do we have anyone that?

[36:07] Has the motion up in front of them. I did not get a cough.

[36:32] The square footage and just.

[36:34] To clarify that on the the missing blanks there John, it was 850 square feet and then 4 foot setbacks.

[36:46] Isn't the building.

[36:47] Over the.

[36:48] For the 850 square foot Mac.

[36:51] So that's part of it.

[36:54] Because it's at 1350, right?

[36:56] It's here, 975 square feet.

[37:01] Says that's the living space. You might want to clarify the size with the applicant specifically, I don't know if it's noted.

[37:09] Anywhere in the staff report.

[37:11] The applicant here tonight.

[37:13] If you want to come up to the podium real quick, if you could help clarify for us on the square footage so we don't.

[37:19] Hold YouTube.

[37:20] The wrong size or?

[37:22] Give you an unnecessarily large amount.

[37:25] OK, yes, the existing structure is 13.

[37:29] I have a 1300 and.

[37:31] 13 square feet.

[37:33] And the reason we have 975 on the.

[37:37] Plan is, that's the living space, because there's no.

[37:40] Small one car garage in there as well.

[37:43] And so it is over the end of.

[37:46] Square foot maximum allowed.

[37:48] But.

[37:50] To use it as an Adu.

[37:52] We have to.

[37:53] Get the conditional use permit for that.

[37:56] And I'll just ask you a question simply because you're still up here and I was not at the last meeting you as the owner or?

[38:04] Comfortable with the mitigations that.

[38:07] Are detailed in the staff report.

[38:10] Builder. The owners are builder owner.

[38:13] The whole gang is.

[38:15] Comfortable with the yes.

[38:17] The findings and.

[38:18] The mitigations as described in the packet.

[38:22] Yes, as long as I understand it correctly in the in the report, OK.

[38:26] Thank you And question to city staff the.

[38:30] The conditional use.

[38:32] Only applies to the residential because the.

[38:35] Garage cars already.

[38:37] Permitted use.

[38:38] It would be all together.

[38:40] Yeah, it would be a building. So the 13.

[38:42] Yes, 1313, so 13.

[38:44] 30 or 1350 is in staff report, Yeah.

[38:48] 850 square feet.

[38:51] Is what's required to be permitted, and then it's over by 500.

[38:57] But it's currently a 1313 is what you have it measured, 1313 is the number we're going with.

[39:04] That's the question.

[39:06] How big is this?

[39:07] The structure is 1313 and then there is a four foot set back somewhere on there, right? Yes, OK.

[39:14] I got the important numbers.

[39:16] All right, perfect. Thank you very much.

[39:19] I have a question for staff. So do we need to include any?

[39:23] Like fire department?

[39:26] Requirements or they? I know that's will be a part of the review.

[39:29] But that they would have to up.

[39:32] Date or.

[39:34] Make modifications to.

[39:36] Be able to meet that code because.

[39:37] I don't think we're.

[39:39] In the business of allowing variances on the building.

[39:42] For the fire code.

[39:44] You are not.

[39:45] But if they could not.

[39:46] Receive a building permit and the passing fire review, then the CUP would not be approved.

[39:51] Yeah, OK.

[39:53] So do we need to mention that in the approval or?

[39:56] Is that already kind of?

[39:59] It's implied. Implied.

[40:00] When you when you look at like home based businesses, they need to go get a business license.

[40:05] So if you're going to approve a conditioning permit for construction, they still need to get a construction permit.

[40:10] So you can definitely put that in your conditions.

[40:13] OK. Thank you.

[40:19] It's got it all in one play.

[40:21] OK, let me let me take a shot at this, all right? Yes. You're going, girl.

[40:25] OK, I approved I I move to approve the conditional use permit application.

[40:30] By the applicant.

[40:35] By John Collier.

[40:38] Umm.

[40:42] For an accessory building footprint of.

[40:45] 1313.

[40:47] Square feet.

[40:48] Located at.

[40:50] 5755.

[40:51] South Midland Drive.

[40:53] Is that right?

[40:58] In the R110 zone.

[41:01] Based on the findings.

[41:02] In the.

[41:03] Staff report.

[41:05] And.

[41:06] Additionally, making explicit that all.

[41:08] Fire code and building code.

[41:11] Requirements would need to be followed.

[41:13] In the future development of this.

[41:15] Building.

[41:16] And condition. We need conditions and the conditions. Oh yes.

[41:20] Along with the.

[41:24] Conditions.

[41:25] For the conditional use permit.

[41:29] That would allow the reduction of.

[41:32] Set back.

[41:33] Listed in the staff report.

[41:37] This is Commissioner Prince IF.

[41:39] Legal counsel gives me the nod that we got all the parts right. I will second that motion.

[41:45] All right, well, let's call for a vote then.

[41:47] Commissioner Cunningham.

[41:48] Ay, Mr. Giovanni.

[41:50] Aye, Mr. Font.

[41:51] Commissioner Prince.

[41:53] Aye, and Commissioner, Baron.

[41:55] Aye, and Chair Roach votes aye. So with that.

[42:00] Hopefully it turns out great.

[42:02] And your mom has a wonderful place to live.

[42:06] All right. And then moving right along.

[42:10] We have the Wasatch Waldorf amended site plan.

[42:14] And if city staff would like to.

[42:17] Walk us through the recap of this one.

[42:24] Thank you, Chair Roach.

[42:26] Review for.

[42:27] The amended site plan at 1458 E Murray Holiday Road for Wasatch Welller Charter School.

[42:34] Is essentially.

[42:36] Administrative.

[42:37] Review of a permitted use site plan.

[42:40] The amendment comes from a 2016 approval.

[42:44] Yeah, 2016 approval.

[42:46] That allowed the placement of the building and a parking requirements.

[42:51] Access Rd. and other.

[42:53] Physical emplacements on the site.

[42:56] The amendment specifically for this application is to extend.

[43:01] The the drive access Rd. around the backside.

[43:04] To accommodate.

[43:05] A new addition to the school gymnasium and some additional classrooms.

[43:09] I'll let the applicant go through.

[43:11] There's specific specificities as to.

[43:13] What the actual building addition is and et cetera.

[43:17] The review from the technical review committee.

[43:20] Is really based upon two things.

[43:23] One, what's allowed for the permitted?

[43:25] Zone, which is the public zone.

[43:27] Where schools are and.

[43:29] What is afforded us?

[43:30] Both the Planning Commission and the Technical Review committee by the state.

[43:35] As far as how far we can take reviews of school sites.

[43:39] Those conditions are listed in your staff report. I think we went through with them.

[43:43] Pretty thoroughly.

[43:44] With during the work session.

[43:47] But essentially what we're looking for because of the addition.

[43:50] Of the school space and the modification of the emergency access area.

[43:54] Our offsite parking requirements ensuring that.

[43:58] The stability of the bank in Big Combo Creek is.

[44:01] Kept in in place.

[44:03] And also the width and the design parameters of the Access Rd. running around the backside.

[44:10] The technical review committees.

[44:13] Specifically, the fire department department has looked at this situation and as requiring.

[44:18] A dimension which is not shown on your site plan.

[44:22] The dimension that needs to be.

[44:25] Modified is from.

[44:27] I think is around a 20 foot to a 26 foot wide Rd.

[44:31] We're waiting on.

[44:32] A design that actually shows that in the drawings that you're seeing here.

[44:37] And then also an additional parking agreement.

[44:40] Which is in place.

[44:42] Pending to be in place through the LDS Church on the North.

[44:45] To the north of this site.

[44:46] Across the street.

[44:48] That is intended to accommodate.

[44:50] Additional student body.

[44:52] Faculty, et cetera.

[44:54] The addition itself really is going to be reviewed by.

[44:57] The the state billing.

[44:59] Official.

[44:59] And, umm.

[45:01] And the inspections?

[45:04] A company that.

[45:05] City quality? Really.

[45:06] Be involved in.

[45:07] Many of the construction there.

[45:09] It's really health, safety, traffic circulation.

[45:12] And offsite parking is what we're intending to review as an amendment.

[45:16] Pipeline.

[45:18] I can just ask a quick clarifying question on the.

[45:23] Solidifying of the parking agreement with the church.

[45:26] Is that something that needs to come from?

[45:29] The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints headquarters or is that something that can come from.

[45:35] Like a.

[45:37] Within or the.

[45:39] Lay ministry like.

[45:41] Who does that actually have to come through? Because the church is a pretty large entity.

[45:45] They do have a properties division.

[45:47] Which we deal with.

[45:48] Routinely.

[45:49] OK, umm.

[45:50] That's who I was expecting it to come from.

[45:52] OK. Just wanted to clarify that. Thank you.

[45:55] So they're adding another 500 students, or I mean 50 students.

[46:00] Was that what you're approximately? Yeah, the student body is growing by that much, yes, so.

[46:06] I I've only been through here when it is.

[46:09] The start of school and that is kind of chaotic.

[46:12] So the church parking.

[46:15] Is for daytime parking or is it for drop off?

[46:19] Can you explain how both those?

[46:21] It's used to pick up and drop off.

[46:23] OK.

[46:24] So is there a need for any traffic or?

[46:28] Some type of.

[46:31] I'm not even sure a crossing guard, but just.

[46:34] So that we can see how it lays out, so that.

[46:37] You're proving something in another piece of property.

[46:41] That could.

[46:41] Have some ramifications if.

[46:44] People aren't cooperating and.

[46:46] Following some type of.

[46:49] Again, I'm.

[46:50] Kind of stretching here because I'm not exactly sure how it works in the church parking.

[46:54] Or if that is indeed what happens at all, so.

[46:58] That's why I'm asking based upon over the years of reviewing.

[47:01] Traffic circulation at this site.

[47:03] And the.

[47:04] New constructed.

[47:05] Pedestrian activated crosswalk that's there.

[47:09] And it's being widely used.

[47:10] For the pick up and drop off, his parents walk their kids across the street.

[47:15] That is the location that is.

[47:17] Definitely being used.

[47:19] As parents drop off or pick up.

[47:21] And drop off students while.

[47:24] Navigating Murray holiday.

[47:27] Previously, I think there was a time when they were.

[47:30] Parking all the way over in the park space.

[47:33] At the Creekside Park and walking with the sidewalk across.

[47:36] Obviously a closer location.

[47:39] But you can definitely ask the applicants as to how that's working out.

[47:44] I guess I'm just asking, is a self governing on the church property?

[47:48] And you park wherever you want and.

[47:51] I I haven't seen the actual agreement to say the 1st 152030 stalls are being written.

[47:56] To be leased, but I'm.

[47:58] Appreciate it. Thank you.

[48:00] OK, Other questions for city staff?

[48:05] All right, let's hear from the applicant.

[48:17] Hello, I'm Heather Campbell.

[48:19] I'm the executive director at Wasatch Waldorf Charter School.

[48:22] And 1st I want to say thank you for the crosswalk.

[48:26] It's wonderful.

[48:27] Our parents really appreciate it.

[48:30] I was over there today just to kind of get a feel for how much it's being used and.

[48:35] We have about 20 to 30 parents dropping off and picking up over there three times throughout the day.

[48:40] So that reduces our traffic line.

[48:42] By at least that much.

[48:43] If we can work on.

[48:45] Maybe more parents using that? That might also help alleviate.

[48:48] Traffic that's on the main Rd.

[48:52] And so I just wanted to speak to that because you were asking what does that look like?

[48:56] That parking lot since the crosswalk.

[48:58] Was there and some parents used it prior to that too.

[49:02] But what I'm trying to do right now is have a lease agreement in writing with the church so that we have a.

[49:06] Clear agreement on what that looks like as far as our use of that and that during construction.

[49:12] That we could put.

[49:14] Faculty over there as an option for parking.

[49:18] So that we're not.

[49:19] In the wrong places.

[49:22] Or blocking the fire lane.

[49:24] So that's in process and being reviewed right now and that came from I.

[49:29] Reached out to the stake president, who then.

[49:32] Brought me over to a legal.

[49:34] Office and they've been the ones drafting that document for us.

[49:39] OK. So that just to clarify that's not.

[49:42] Done yet? You're still waiting.

[49:43] It's not completed. I have a draft and I have one of our.

[49:47] Board members reviewing the draft right now.

[49:49] OK, and just for my.

[49:52] Enlightenment.

[49:53] Parents park there and then walk their children across the street, where they.

[49:58] Park there and say.

[49:59] Go for it. I'll watch you go.

[50:02] How does it work both depending on age.

[50:05] Uh-huh. A lot of parents enjoy the walk.

[50:07] With their child.

[50:08] And.

[50:10] And then some are old enough where they get dropped off and walk across and it has the stop light.

[50:14] The button on it and.

[50:16] And then when school's out, they're able to the.

[50:19] Children can many just push the button and walk across.

[50:23] Thank you.

[50:23] Yeah. And I think if we have a higher use of it and an agreement maybe.

[50:28] I need to look into the.

[50:29] Liability and the insurance coverage, but.

[50:31] Having someone over there to monitor.

[50:34] Monitor the use.

[50:35] I think will be something we put on our agenda for August when we do staff duties.

[50:40] On pickup and drop off.

[50:41] Get someone over there.

[50:43] I found a sweatshirt.

[50:44] Today so.

[50:46] Probably need to monitor that a little better.

[50:50] Her other issue is going to be the.

[50:52] State Fire Marshall's requirements.

[50:55] Which we don't see on any of the plans that have been submitted so far.

[50:59] Is it accurate to?

[51:01] Say that the plans have not yet been approved by the.

[51:05] State Fire Marshall.

[51:08] I think that's in process. I know there's we were trying to reach out today.

[51:12] Because there are most of the.

[51:14] Fireland is at 26 feet.

[51:16] And then there's two spots I think that are at 24.

[51:19] Feet on two sides of the building.

[51:22] West, am I correct?

[51:24] OK. And so?

[51:27] Our architect and design team are trying to reach out.

[51:30] Today we just found out.

[51:31] About that this morning. So they're trying to reach out to.

[51:33] Work through those.

[51:35] That dimension and that issue and.

[51:38] What can we do?

[51:39] And what do we need to do?

[51:40] To fix that.

[51:42] And absolutely will.

[51:44] Find a way to get approval.

[51:45] Yeah, in the.

[51:46] In the diagram, particularly the one that is on the screen right now, it shows that the width of the road is 20 feet.

[51:53] So which part would be a problem?

[51:56] I think I think W needs to explain it.

[51:58] OK.

[52:01] Thank you. I have a little bit more information on this. What's your name and?

[52:05] My name is Wes Baker and I'm from Babcock Design Group, the architect for the project.

[52:13] We are aware of the 26 foot.

[52:15] Requirement. We were aware of it for a while.

[52:17] And that inside curb that's there.

[52:19] Was intended to be a rolled.

[52:21] That A.

[52:22] Fire response vehicle can pull up on to make sure they maintain that entire width.

[52:27] We've been preparing a diagram that we can send back to the city and and to.

[52:31] The the Unified Fire Authority, but also the state fire Marshall to kind of demonstrate that compliance.

[52:37] The area that we're trying to get some clarification on is some of the existing areas that we weren't planning on touching.

[52:42] Are currently less than 26 feet. So what is the requirement for what has to be adjusted that that we weren't planning to touch

[52:46] that has nothing to do with with the.

[52:51] Area where they proposed.

[52:52] Future edition is going to go. So those are some of the things that we're working through trying to get.

[52:58] Clarification on and then ultimately our goal is to get.

[53:01] For compliance with what? With what is required as part of the approval process with the state, we are required to coordinate with

[53:05] the city. We're required to coordinate with the state fire Marshall, who always wants to coordinate with the local responding

[53:09] authority.

[53:14] And so part of part of that process is.

[53:16] We can't get our permit until.

[53:18] We finished that coordination or at least it's it's mostly finished.

[53:21] And so to do that, we have to demonstrate both to to unified fire, but also the state fire Marshall.

[53:26] That we are meeting that 20 states.

[53:28] Excuse me, a 26 foot.

[53:29] Width requirement that is there.

[53:32] So when do you expect that?

[53:34] We would see documents that reflected.

[53:38] That 26 feet.

[53:39] Of the street.

[53:42] What you see up there?

[53:43] Does meet that?

[53:44] But we need to clarify how we're reading that because.

[53:46] Again, that inside curb is not a full kind of.

[53:50] Sharp curve, it's it's a rolled curve so that a vehicle can can go up on the top of it and there were some Ballers that were

[53:53] around there to help.

[53:56] Kind of make sure that the vehicles never came too close to the building. So we have a diagram that we just received.

[54:04] An hour ago that that tomorrow will start fording to to to.

[54:09] Others at the city and and the fire authorities to make sure that we can continue that discussion.

[54:14] So the.

[54:15] And just I don't remember.

[54:17] Recall if you were in here but the fire.

[54:20] What was his title?

[54:24] Area Fire Marshall Area Fire Marshall. Thank you. Didn't want to.

[54:27] Misrepresent there.

[54:29] He spoke to the need and requirement of 26 foot.

[54:34] Consistently on all parts of the lane in order to.

[54:38] Safely, uh.

[54:39] Mitigate fire problems.

[54:41] Using.

[54:43] Whatever apparatus or mechanisms involved that don't involve putting.

[54:47] Those machines.

[54:49] Over curbs or.

[54:51] Landscape, uh.

[54:52] Sure. And and that's good to know. We, we tried to reach out to probably him.

[54:56] Earlier today and he was probably occupied trying to talk to you guys, so.

[55:00] Yeah, we'll make sure that we talk to him. And again, our goal and intent is to fully comply with with what they require.

[55:09] He also mentioned the.

[55:11] Possible issue of.

[55:12] Moving a hydrant.

[55:14] And some concerns that.

[55:17] He and the fire department had in terms of.

[55:20] How that would affect their hoses and hose deployment and movement and things and?

[55:26] Is that do you want to speak to that?

[55:29] Issue I I've read the comment, it's probably not as much information as you were given earlier.

[55:33] There's an existing fire hydrant that happens to just be kind of where.

[55:37] The new extension of the road is going to go, so it has to move anyway.

[55:40] And our civil engineer had just kind of moved it.

[55:43] Straight East.

[55:44] To get it out of the way.

[55:46] But the comment that I read was that the Fire Marshall preferred it to be further to the South.

[55:50] Which we don't have any concerns with that. It's it's just a matter of.

[55:53] Of determining where that final location.

[55:56] Location is that everyone's going to be happy with?

[55:58] OK, OK. All right.

[56:00] Additional questions.

[56:02] For the architect or the applicant at this time.

[56:05] OK. We'll go ahead and have you sit down.

[56:06] Thank you.

[56:08] Are you with the?

[56:13] OK. Then hang on just a second because we're about to open open the public hearing here.

[56:17] So, umm.

[56:18] With that, we will open the public hearing. Any members of the public that wish to make comment tonight may do so. We ask that you

[56:24] state your name and address for the record and please talk into the microphone so our recorder can capture everything.

[56:31] And try and keep your comments to 3 minutes or less if you would.

[56:41] My name is Holly Christiansen.

[56:45] I live directly adjacent to the school across the Creek. I think my home is the most directly impacted by school activities. I'm

[56:50] at 4795 S.

[56:56] Yorktown Dr.

[56:58] And I am unclear on exactly where the driveway is being extended. Is it the back?

[57:05] To the back of the school.

[57:07] So how much further into the microphone, if you would?

[57:11] They'll get a chance to answer any question like how far is it being extended?

[57:17] No, just make your comment and then we'll invite them up.

[57:20] OK, OK.

[57:22] Yeah. So I'd like to know how far it's being.

[57:24] Extended.

[57:26] If that's if it's going to affect.

[57:29] The yurts that are Creekside, if they're going to be moved at all.

[57:34] If any trees anywhere will be removed.

[57:37] I have emailed with Mr. Tearling just today and I appreciate your time and efforts.

[57:43] I did make some comments to him and.

[57:46] I would like to just.

[57:49] Read my comments to you and my thoughts as.

[57:52] Someone who has lived next to the school since.

[57:56] Since it was built, I was there many years before it was built.

[58:01] Sounds like the school is seeking to amend its site footprint to accommodate growth.

[58:06] However, the site's current physical layout is already failing to contain extreme repetitive noise nuisances.

[58:14] Like daily outdoor drumming.

[58:16] While the school is a permitted.

[58:18] Utah code allows this Commission to impose restrictions to mitigate unreasonable risks to health and safety.

[58:25] The ongoing high decibel outdoor percussion is an unmitigated health hazard to surrounding homes.

[58:31] Homeowners by altering the layout and expanding students.

[58:35] Capacity without including physical noise mitigation structures.

[58:40] This amendment actively aggravates the negative impact.

[58:43] On the surrounding residential properties.

[58:46] Violating the core intent of holiday land use approval standards.

[58:51] Allowing an amendment that increases student capacity without conditioning that approval on a total.

[58:57] Indoor only policy.

[58:59] Or percussion or sound dampening acoustic wall.

[59:02] Fails the city's duty to protect neighborhood health.

[59:06] I request that the Commission table this site plan.

[59:09] Amendment until the school submits a certified noise mitigation plan.

[59:14] Or condition any final approval.

[59:16] On a strict requirement that all percussion be moved entirely indoors.

[59:20] Or behind a professional sound dampening acoustic barrier.

[59:24] Holiday's noise ordinance exempts occasional school events.

[59:29] But it does not ground a blanket license for continuous daily outdoor auditory nuisances.

[59:35] By adding more students, the school is scaling up a disruptive operation.

[59:40] That bleeds across property lines.

[59:42] I request that this site plan amendment be tabled.

[59:46] Until the school adjusts its outdoor layout to move these.

[59:49] High noise zones away from residential property lines.

[59:53] Thank you for your consideration.

[59:56] Thank you.

[1:00:02] And did we have any other public comment tonight?

[1:00:08] No, OK.

[1:00:11] And with that, we can.

[1:00:14] Close the public hearing for now.

[1:00:16] We can give the applicant just a moment to come up and address any other comments that have been made if she'd like.

[1:00:25] Yes. Umm.

[1:00:26] I think one of the things that is included in that new addition to the building is another music room.

[1:00:32] And right now we have a wonderful teacher from Kenya.

[1:00:36] Who teaches African drumming?

[1:00:38] It's quite beautiful and obviously a little loud.

[1:00:42] So good to know that that's bothersome.

[1:00:44] It's a few times a week.

[1:00:46] That he teaches the class.

[1:00:47] So anyway.

[1:00:48] That would be going inside.

[1:00:50] So I feel like.

[1:00:51] The and the larger gym would allow for more of our children who are playing games outside to also play those games inside.

[1:00:58] So I'm hopeful that that sounds like a reasonable.

[1:01:02] Reason that we're outside right now.

[1:01:04] We are outside a lot, it's true.

[1:01:07] OK. Thank you very much.

[1:01:09] And I think.

[1:01:10] West can speak to.

[1:01:12] The road and how far we're moving it up.

[1:01:20] I think if you go to page 24.

[1:01:22] Of the.

[1:01:23] Packet. It shows the original site plan that that is currently there.

[1:01:27] Go down.

[1:01:28] One more.

[1:01:30] That's the the current.

[1:01:31] Layout of the road towards the South.

[1:01:33] Those darker circular.

[1:01:36] As items are the yurts.

[1:01:39] That were referred to.

[1:01:42] The road is intended to be extended all the way to that South property line that abuts the park.

[1:01:47] And so in that.

[1:01:48] The the yurts have to move.

[1:01:50] There are half of them are currently on.

[1:01:52] The park property.

[1:01:55] And so the intention is to relocate them.

[1:01:58] Elsewhere and allow for that road to extend all the way South towards that property line.

[1:02:02] So if you go forward a couple pages, you'll see the new site plan.

[1:02:06] Where you can see that?

[1:02:08] Whatever's there right now has has been moved and relocated in that road.

[1:02:13] Is right along the edge of the property line there.

[1:02:18] So the answer to that is that the yurts and the trees are going away to replace with the lane.

[1:02:23] Correct. OK.

[1:02:24] Correct.

[1:02:25] All right. Thank you.

[1:02:29] All right, um.

[1:02:32] Commissioners.

[1:02:34] So as.

[1:02:36] Discussed in our work meeting.

[1:02:38] Oh, you can talk to the applicant after.

[1:02:46] Well, we've already taken your public comment.

[1:02:48] And.

[1:03:07] OK, so I'll make note of it that there will be more.

[1:03:10] Comment was concerned.

[1:03:12] There will be more traffic from the Earth's being moved.

[1:03:15] As added to the record.

[1:03:19] So.

[1:03:21] With that, there are the two points that were brought up during the work session.

[1:03:25] Which the applicant answered.

[1:03:28] They're still in progress.

[1:03:30] And during the work discussion, we kind of talked about.

[1:03:34] For this body to sign off on the health and safety for all these kids and everyone involved.

[1:03:40] Everyone would feel a lot better to have those things finalized before anything else is approved or move forward or deferred to

[1:03:45] someone else to have to do that.

[1:03:51] So unless anybody has opposition, I would make a motion that we continue this until those things can be achieved by the applicant

[1:03:55] and brought back.

[1:03:59] For final review by this Commission.

[1:04:01] This is Commissioner Prince. I'll second that motion.

[1:04:05] OK. And a motion and a second, we'll call for vote.

[1:04:08] Commissioner Baron.

[1:04:09] Hi, Mr. McGowan, Hi.

[1:04:11] Commissioner Prince Aye.

[1:04:12] Mr. Font.

[1:04:13] Mr.

[1:04:14] Aye, and Commissioner Cunningham.

[1:04:16] Aye, and Chair Roach votes aye. So with that, it will be tabled until those things are completed and brought back to us.

[1:04:22] And that could be as early as the next meeting if you get those already then.

[1:04:27] Otherwise you can work with city staff and once those are.

[1:04:31] Secured.

[1:04:32] Then we will see you soon.

[1:04:35] All right, and.

[1:04:37] With that.

[1:04:39] There are no minutes.

[1:04:40] Dress.

[1:04:41] Because we did not get those, so those are moved. So I will make a motion to adjourn all in favor.

[1:04:45] Aye, anyone to stay?

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