[0:13] I'd like to call our work meeting to

[0:14] order for the Upper City

[0:16] Planning Commission and

[0:18] meeting of May 14th, 2026.

[0:22] So, first couple items, could I get a

[0:25] volunteer for

[0:27] the pledge also to pray? I'll do it.

[0:35] And then as just for you guys know,

[0:37] those two conditional use permits, they

[0:39] fall under the new ordinance and they

[0:42] both elected to withdraw and just go

[0:44] through that

[0:46] allowed use process. So,

[0:49] it's functioning as

[0:51] designed.

[0:53] So, we won't do anything with that.

[0:56] And then

[0:59] I read through the minutes. I did not

[1:00] see anything that needed to be

[1:03] discussed. Anybody else? They looked

[1:05] fine to me.

[1:12] And then any questions about the hobby

[1:16] kennel as you looked over the new

[1:19] application with the site plan and the

[1:22] additionals of where the kennels are

[1:24] going to be placed?

[1:35] I listened to the City Council and they

[1:37] did reference the

[1:39] state code of 18

[1:42] 2101-1

[1:44] of saying you can't discriminate based

[1:46] off of

[1:48] breed of dog. So, I

[1:51] the condition, I know that was a concern

[1:54] of a lot of the people that we had. So,

[1:57] we can just maybe communicate that

[2:00] to them as they

[2:02] so they know what basis why why we're making that

[2:06] decision and considering that if we

[2:11] So so with conditional use permits, can

[2:13] you if something were crazy to happen,

[2:15] can you revoke the conditional use

[2:17] permit whenever you want?

[2:19] Um it would have to be a condition. So I

[2:21] was kind of looking at that.

[2:24] You'd have to put that as a condition

[2:25] and say

[2:27] they get out all the time or something

[2:29] if

[2:30] I don't know three

[2:32] verified call-ins for noise for

[2:35] regarding the dogs happen

[2:37] then that's it can be brought back to

[2:40] the planning commission to review the

[2:42] conditional use to add

[2:44] additional additional conditions.

[2:48] So that could potentially be a

[2:50] Yeah.

[2:52] So the

[2:53] main concerns from the meeting last time

[2:56] were noise, odor and waste,

[3:00] dogs escaping and safety,

[3:03] potential breeding, and then the lack of

[3:06] site plan,

[3:08] which they provided in this one. Yeah.

[3:11] And then

[3:12] there was concern about the breed, but

[3:14] that one's kind of null to me because

[3:16] the the code or whatever.

[3:19] Um

[3:20] But yeah, sorry, I want to answer your

[3:21] question. You can revoke. Okay.

[3:24] But you have to But that's one of our

[3:25] conditions up front. We need to set the

[3:27] commission the conditions now. Yeah, so

[3:29] if they're not following the conditions,

[3:31] it can be revoked.

[3:33] So I have a question as far as since we

[3:34] can't [clears throat] discriminate

[3:35] against the breed, is that something we

[3:36] want to take off that application?

[3:39] So it's not even a

[3:40] question in the

[3:41] Yeah, it's on that application.

[3:44] Mhm.

[3:45] Yeah, probably be good practice. I don't

[3:47] know why it would be relevant.

[3:50] But, know. What Darren, any comment on

[3:51] that?

[3:53] No, we I mean just

[3:55] Yeah, we just can't discriminate when it

[3:57] comes to granting a I guess it can be on

[3:59] the

[4:00] But, does it say it on the application

[4:01] specifically ask for breed? Yeah, it

[4:03] says how many dogs and types of dogs

[4:05] that will be housed on the property.

[4:08] Yeah.

[4:11] Remind me, does anyone What When does it

[4:13] turn into a non-hobby? Is it at the

[4:15] amount of dogs or if they have a

[4:16] business license that acts as a

[4:17] business? Amount of dogs. Amount. Amount

[4:20] of dogs and then also with hobby you

[4:21] can't you can't you can't be breeding

[4:24] stuff like that, right? So, kind of

[4:25] both, but

[4:26] There was a

[4:28] email that was sent in that

[4:29] >> [clears throat]

[4:30] >> discussed

[4:32] the potential of the potential of

[4:33] business type activities.

[4:38] Also, during the

[4:39] city council work meeting

[4:42] um David

[4:44] brought up a I thought brought up a fair

[4:46] point to be discussed here is

[4:49] where do you like we allow farmers to

[4:51] have hobby calves and we don't

[4:55] doesn't kick over into the

[4:57] commercialized Yeah. So, where where are we drawing the line?

[5:01] >> wouldn't that fall under agriculture?

[5:03] It's only domestic animals.

[5:08] I think that goes into the

[5:09] reasonableness of the conditions.

[5:12] So,

[5:14] just the worry is that we put our city

[5:15] at

[5:17] we got some liability if they're

[5:18] unreasonable.

[5:20] And we have to take into account where

[5:21] we

[5:22] what kind of city we have and like

[5:25] how far away they are from the school

[5:27] and those kind of things.

[5:32] Yeah, so when it talks about that

[5:34] reasonable conditions

[5:36] I mean like having two fences or three

[5:39] fences like that's unreasonable in my

[5:41] mind, right?

[5:43] As far as not letting escape.

[5:46] I would I would worry about that being

[5:48] unreasonable. Well, if I allow

[5:50] Right now, the fence is 6 ft. What if

[5:52] it's has to be 8?

[5:55] I think that would be reasonable

[5:58] or unreasonable? I think it would be

[5:59] unreasonable. Because they already have

[6:01] a fence? Well, cuz 6 ft, that would be

[6:03] pretty

[6:04] That's like a typical standard.

[6:05] >> That's a typical standard.

[6:08] Also, are you discriminating based on

[6:09] the breed of the dog? If someone wanted

[6:11] 12 Yeah. French bulldogs, are you going

[6:13] to make them jump to an 8-ft fence

[6:15] because of the red line?

[6:16] Or is it because of the discrimination

[6:17] because of the breed, which we're not

[6:19] allowed to do? I think we would be

[6:20] tipping into that area of unreasonable.

[6:22] I mean, it's arguable.

[6:25] But I just didn't say anything.

[6:28] Potentially.

[6:29] >> Yeah. In my mind, I think conditions you

[6:30] place are

[6:32] Yeah, if you like if they get out

[6:33] repeatedly, if they're the noise or the

[6:35] stench and

[6:37] stuff like that. But also, if they if

[6:38] there is evidence of it this is now

[6:40] business, they're breeding, they're

[6:41] boarding.

[6:43] Stuff like that. Those are kind of my

[6:44] mind.

[6:45] The conditions you place on them. They

[6:47] talked about

[6:48] the first time how they're going to put

[6:51] them outside every once in a while. Mhm.

[6:53] So, is it unreasonable to say they have

[6:55] to be leashed from the house to the

[6:58] kennel?

[7:01] I feel like if their backyard was

[7:03] fenced, I feel like that would be an

[7:05] unreasonable ask. Okay. All right. That

[7:08] That's just So, what I was thinking cuz

[7:11] I was thinking a lot about this. I

[7:14] And how close is the

[7:16] >> How close is the I mean, I'm maybe a

[7:18] little too much is what I'm saying.

[7:21] How close is the next building? Is the

[7:23] next residence? It's an acre lot, and so

[7:25] there's a They They have neighbors next

[7:28] door. But how far are we from We're

[7:29] probably 50 ft tops. 50 ft? Yeah,

[7:32] they're 100 It looks like they're 100-ft

[7:33] frontages down there at Well, on the

[7:35] farm If you look at the house to the

[7:37] west,

[7:39] they're not that far apart.

[7:43] I think those lots are a little deeper

[7:45] >> [snorts]

[7:45] >> and a little less wide. Were they Did

[7:48] they come in with concerns, the

[7:49] neighbors?

[7:50] Yes.

[7:51] >> the neighbors concerned Well, one of the

[7:52] neighbors is scared of dogs and she

[7:56] made sure that everybody knew she didn't

[7:58] want her calves or baby calves near her.

[8:00] >> Yeah, I heard.

[8:02] Well, the the other lady that emailed

[8:04] me, I talked to her on the phone.

[8:06] She lives right next door.

[8:09] Her mom

[8:10] >> does.

[8:11] And her house is like two or three down.

[8:14] They're on 46, right? Yeah. Yeah. Pretty

[8:17] far west, 60

[8:18] >> 65 59

[8:20] So, they're

[8:22] 60

[8:25] 65 59

[8:28] So, that They're right there. Yeah,

[8:29] they're right there.

[8:32] So, they're they're one acre lots.

[8:34] They're lots. But, they're deep, they're

[8:35] deep and wide. Okay. It's actually 1.7,

[8:38] but they're deep and they're wide. So,

[8:40] they're all wide. I got

[8:41] So,

[8:42] concerned about noise, I think would be

[8:45] That's it. But, I do like on their site

[8:47] plan it shows that they didn't put it,

[8:48] you know, on the fence next to the

[8:49] neighbor's house. They put it more in

[8:50] the middle. Yeah. On the back. Okay. And

[8:54] also, don't they have to get it approved

[8:56] through the neighbor county? At the 65

[8:59] 59 So, we could do that as a condition

[9:01] that

[9:03] as long as it's approved through them,

[9:04] too. So, they Well, so So, They're the

[9:07] yard's fenced in the back pasture.

[9:09] >> to find that. I didn't find it anywhere

[9:11] where they I couldn't find it.

[9:12] >> Well, I I just

[9:14] I typed in Hooper Animal Control.

[9:15] >> So, they said that the back pasture

[9:17] animal control and under their hobby

[9:19] kennel it's like be inspected annually,

[9:21] but nobody at Weber County knows

[9:23] anything about that. So, there's

[9:24] nothing's going to happen through the

[9:25] county.

[9:27] And being a commission They what? They

[9:29] just had a nasty turnover. I know that's

[9:31] weird. I know. I know.

[9:35] What were you saying, Chase?

[9:37] The animal shelter had a pretty large

[9:40] turnover

[9:42] listening to one of the debates.

[9:44] Oh, really? Yeah.

[9:52] Anyways, so I noise obviously these dogs

[9:58] can be loud, but I feel like bark

[10:00] collars are sufficient.

[10:03] Well, that was what they were going to

[10:04] do bark collars. They said they were

[10:06] going to do bark collars on them. So, I

[10:08] felt like that mitigated that one

[10:11] noise. They volunteered to do that?

[10:14] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And as a condition. I

[10:17] think they already are doing it anyway.

[10:18] Yeah, they in their application. And when they we

[10:21] asked them questions, they like, oh,

[10:23] they have bark bark bark collars and

[10:24] they have

[10:26] So, then that would probably be a

[10:27] condition that we they're going to

[10:29] volunteer that. Yeah. Yeah, there is a

[10:30] line on the application that says how

[10:32] will noise / barking be kept under

[10:34] control when they say bark collars and

[10:36] training. Yeah, we'll have to put it on

[10:38] the record that that is the condition.

[10:42] The odor and waste they proposed a plan

[10:44] to sanitize Every day, wasn't it? They

[10:47] were going to spray

[10:48] >> Yeah.

[10:49] >> every day with some

[10:51] I can't remember if it how frequently

[10:53] they stated, but it was I know that

[10:57] the permit for a hobby kennel says 4 to

[10:59] 10, but can we mitigate what 4 to 10

[11:02] means? Can we say five?

[11:04] Or Is that just open? The code is 10 is

[11:08] 4 to 10.

[11:08] >> 10. So.

[11:10] they can have up to 10. They can

[11:12] have up to 10. Yeah, how will noise It

[11:14] says right here, bark collars and

[11:15] training. Potty area will be regularly

[11:17] cleaned and sprayed down with cleaner.

[11:19] So, do we Yeah, so you probably want to

[11:20] define regularly

[11:22] in the in the record.

[11:24] Now, she says five German Shepherds and

[11:27] Malinois.

[11:30] So, one that I've seen with these types

[11:32] of things is a curfew.

[11:35] The dogs are in by 10, which is normal

[11:38] curfew hours.

[11:40] But,

[11:40] it seems like they're taking care of the

[11:43] they're volunteering to do the dog the

[11:44] bark collar, then that's Yes, I I mean,

[11:46] I give them credit for applying. And the

[11:49] fact that you can legally have three

[11:50] now. So, like when we're talking noise,

[11:52] what's the difference between three and

[11:53] five? I mean, three and 10 obviously a

[11:55] big difference, but

[11:58] the fact that they're applying tells me

[12:00] that they're serious about what they do, for a website, what they

[12:03] train. My concern is, okay, is this a

[12:06] raw is this going to

[12:09] And you can't hold somebody accountable

[12:10] for something that may happen in the

[12:12] future, but is this going to be a

[12:13] revolving door of dogs? Are we going to

[12:15] have five here at a time, but

[12:17] do we necessarily own these dogs? Are

[12:18] these dogs we're working with and we're

[12:20] just going to keep rotating dogs

[12:21] through? They're all the training ones

[12:23] that are in training.

[12:24] >> Yeah.

[12:26] So, how do you differentiate that

[12:27] between the horse trainer that rotates

[12:29] through?

[12:30] Six horses at his property and they're

[12:32] not all his, but he's training them to

[12:34] rope cuz that happens Oh, yeah, all the

[12:36] time.

[12:38] Yeah, I don't think they if it's a

[12:39] requirement

[12:41] What's that?

[12:41] >> need to be owned by the owner. As long

[12:43] as they're not doing it as a business,

[12:45] cuz a hobby kennel can't be run running

[12:47] it like a training business out of the

[12:48] home. Correct.

[12:53] I mean, we could we could require

[12:54] they're licensed to correct.

[12:56] So, they're not getting any sort of

[12:58] business license with this. No, they

[12:59] didn't.

[13:00] Quote unquote, I think that they said

[13:02] that they were personal dogs.

[13:04] >> Yeah, for that they use for sport.

[13:06] They're sport dogs. Yeah.

[13:09] You see it?

[13:12] Sammy and Katie.

[13:14] He's too fast and furious.

[13:18] So, he can't have a hobby

[13:20] >> [laughter]

[13:21] >> Okay.

[13:23] Four to 10. Got him. Four to 10 of them

[13:24] are not in training for what was the

[13:26] breeding and training and

[13:28] Personal enjoyment. Okay.

[13:30] Then there it is.

[13:31] Can't be for business.

[13:33] So, that would I think mitigate that a

[13:34] little bit cuz if you're doing a

[13:36] training, it's probably for business.

[13:38] Well, and that's the I I think down the

[13:39] road if they ever violated then you can

[13:41] revoke the conditional use permit.

[13:43] >> Well, if they're doing business without

[13:44] a license, we can charge criminal and all sorts of civil. What if

[13:49] they have a business license and then

[13:51] does that disqualify them for the

[13:53] conditional use of the farming and hobby

[13:54] farm? I don't know if they need to have

[13:56] different. They would have to be

[13:57] differentiated.

[13:58] So, the business would be for

[14:02] So, they would have to apply for a

[14:03] commercial kennel. Yeah. Which is still

[14:06] an R1 allowed

[14:07] >> well, that's one of the one of the

[14:09] residents that reached out to us, that

[14:12] was her concern is she was talking to them after the

[14:15] meeting and they're looking at the

[14:17] ground behind them that's like 3 acres

[14:19] and that would

[14:21] make it so they can apply for a

[14:22] commercial license.

[14:25] Can you scroll up a little bit,

[14:27] so we can see the commercial

[14:38] So, commercial has to be

[14:39] >> So, if located 3 acres, so it's located

[14:42] in residential.

[14:44] So, it sounds like their goal is to

[14:45] maybe get to a commercial if they end up

[14:47] buying that land. Which our code Yeah.

[14:49] allows it our code allows it in some

[14:50] Yeah.

[14:52] But until then So, do

[14:54] putting something do we need to put

[14:56] something in the motion as the business license as

[15:03] commercial activity as a condition or is

[15:05] that already spelled out in the charter

[15:07] there? Okay.

[15:09] We just got to make sure that

[15:12] the Coys don't sell them any more

[15:14] ground.

[15:17] So, that's where they get their fence

[15:18] >> Can we can we ask

[15:21] Yeah. So, it where that property's fully

[15:23] fenced and and gated like,

[15:25] you know, and I know we don't

[15:26] discriminate against breeds, but there

[15:27] is a difference between these dogs.

[15:29] They're They're for what they're

[15:30] sporting. Yeah. Can Can we ask that the

[15:33] gates be locked?

[15:35] The The gates leading from the yard to

[15:38] the front yard.

[15:39] Cuz I I can't imagine a little kid wanting to

[15:42] pet the doggies

[15:44] and going through one of those gates.

[15:47] Wait.

[15:48] I think Is that a reasonable I think

[15:49] that's reasonable.

[15:50] >> It's not because you could be You could

[15:51] have that same worry for any dog.

[15:53] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[15:54] Don't they have Yeah, do we We require

[15:56] that for a swimming pool, don't we?

[15:59] Yeah, they have those self-locking

[16:00] gates, or at least, you know, the ones

[16:01] that latch

[16:02] >> latch or yourself latching gate on

[16:04] swimming pools.

[16:06] They don't open by accident. They can't

[16:09] They don't necessarily have to be

[16:09] locked, so. But we don't need to specify

[16:11] on the record that it's because of the

[16:13] type of dog.

[16:13] >> No, we just we just want the gates

[16:15] locked if we're going to have that many

[16:17] animals on the property.

[16:18] >> Dude, well, and and

[16:20] with the

[16:21] caveat that

[16:23] we just don't want

[16:25] kids or somebody else trying to come

[16:27] into your yard. We're trying to protect

[16:29] you

[16:30] as well as everybody else.

[16:32] Yeah.

[16:42] I don't know if I'm the only one that's

[16:43] lost sleep over this one. This is

[16:45] different.

[16:46] Yeah.

[16:49] I'm not sure. They're with the

[16:51] drug and alcohol treatment center.

[16:59] So, I think all of those Those are the

[17:02] main concerns.

[17:04] So, I don't see how any of those aren't

[17:09] mitigated with a motion that includes

[17:11] [clears throat] what either they already

[17:13] offered to do with the bark bark

[17:14] collars, and then the

[17:17] just needed to define what they view as

[17:19] regularly on the odor and waste. But we

[17:21] can reiterate that in our motion for

[17:24] collars. Yeah.

[17:25] The cleanliness. Lock gates. Lock gates.

[17:28] And I think the lock gates kind of dogs

[17:31] escaping safety issue, that's a

[17:33] condition I think that's reasonable

[17:35] there. And then

[17:38] I think mentioning to them that

[17:40] commercial activity would fall under a

[17:41] different use, so they're aware of that.

[17:44] Yep.

[17:45] And just have a code slate and then

[17:46] other than that the site plan to me

[17:48] looked

[17:50] if they follow that, I think it's

[17:52] Is that Is that an in-ground pool? It

[17:55] is, isn't it? Yeah.

[17:57] I believe so.

[17:58] That's interesting. I looked it up on

[17:59] there.

[18:02] On the on the Google. On Google.

[18:06] I don't think this yet. That's pretty

[18:08] good.

[18:09] There it is. There it is. It's closed.

[18:13] Whoever does the motion

[18:15] can you just

[18:17] reiterate that they have voluntarily

[18:19] agreed to use bark collars. Yeah.

[18:22] Make it as a condition that you have

[18:25] voluntarily

[18:27] they volunteered to have that be a

[18:29] condition. Yeah.

[18:32] I don't want some someone from PETA

[18:34] coming to us and saying Oh, yeah.

[18:36] You guys are requiring requiring bark

[18:38] collars that kind That's true.

[18:41] If that's If that's [laughter] If that's

[18:42] the part of this PETA has a problem with

[18:45] that's

[18:47] Let them chain up. Enjoy the mosquitoes.

[18:52] Any other Does anybody else have any How

[18:55] do you want to define regular cleaning?

[19:01] I'd say with that many dogs doesn't need

[19:03] to be every day. I thought she made the

[19:06] comment that we're going to go out there

[19:08] and spray it every day, but I I they did

[19:10] because then somebody brought up, "Well,

[19:11] that's a lot of water.

[19:13] And she said no, one to two gallons.

[19:15] Yeah. And they've got a chemical that

[19:17] they use.

[19:18] She'll She'll biodegradeable chemical.

[19:20] And light her up and ask her again,

[19:22] right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we can

[19:25] Kind of let her self-define it almost

[19:26] and then if she doesn't, then we offer

[19:28] our

[19:29] stipulation. But if she'll define it as

[19:31] one every day, then that's an easy

[19:32] answer for us to say okay, every day it

[19:34] is.

[19:39] Do you want to put anything in there

[19:40] about X amount of complaints or

[19:44] Do we Do we need to Do we need to define

[19:47] that like the number of complaints?

[19:49] >> [clears throat]

[19:49] >> Nuisance complaints. We could You could

[19:51] say

[19:53] it's if three verified

[19:56] noise complaints with animal control

[19:58] would get made, then it they come back

[20:02] to the planning commission so we can add

[20:04] additional

[20:05] conditions.

[20:10] We could do

[20:12] I

[20:13] If they ever get out, I think that's

[20:15] like a

[20:17] that would be

[20:20] reason for them to come back in. I don't

[20:21] know. I Like do you want to put

[20:23] something around if they ever I think

[20:26] the barking is defined under nuisance,

[20:29] which I think there are a whole lot of

[20:31] things that fall under that, so Three

[20:33] nuisance complaints.

[20:35] But then we've also got to remember

[20:37] somebody doesn't like those dogs, they

[20:38] could just be calling.

[20:40] Nuisance complaints. You could do even a

[20:42] single I could have verified.

[20:44] It would have to be a verified

[20:45] complaint. True. Yeah, through law

[20:47] enforcement. Yeah.

[20:49] Through law enforcement or animal

[20:50] control, right? It probably go through

[20:52] our county ordinance. Law enforcement.

[20:55] >> [clears throat]

[20:55] >> Officer Allen is the one who fields

[20:58] those, investigates them, and then

[21:00] brings back the findings what he sees

[21:02] does. Is he the same one that is scared

[21:05] of dogs and so you have to go catch him

[21:07] for him and put him in the

[21:09] Not that I've had any experience with

[21:11] that, but Don't tell us how you really

[21:13] feel. I don't know.

[21:14] >> [laughter]

[21:15] >> Hobbling down the road chasing dogs.

[21:17] The gal would come out was 10 times the

[21:20] She was tough.

[21:21] but he was like

[21:26] You want me to go catch it?

[21:29] Anyway, we digress.

[21:33] So, we're going to throw it in there?

[21:34] Somebody say Well, three three nuisance

[21:36] complaints and

[21:38] verifiable verifiable verifiable through

[21:40] Weaver County

[21:42] Three nuisance complaints from separate

[21:44] neighbors? One neighbor? Just complaints

[21:46] today. If they're verifiable, it's a

[21:48] complaint.

[21:48] >> Okay.

[21:51] Yeah, it wouldn't be any good if they

[21:52] weren't

[21:52] >> there? Does that mean it has to be filed

[21:54] with Weaver County comes out and finds

[21:56] they were at fault with that? Yeah, I

[21:57] guess he's going to do something like

[21:59] that. So, it's not just like

[22:01] Which is the same as our ordinance for

[22:04] like We've had him come out for

[22:06] different

[22:07] homes that are

[22:09] bad, right? And he can't verify it. And

[22:13] they'll go out and then inspect and

[22:15] yeah, not a Do they give you guys city

[22:17] staff the report?

[22:20] They do give you the report. So, you

[22:22] would be able to tell, hey, this

[22:24] third time we've

[22:26] Okay. And if our three complaints like

[22:29] if three different neighbors complain

[22:31] about one night of barking, is that

[22:33] three events or three or one complaint?

[22:35] That'd be one. I think I'd say verified

[22:38] events events, yeah. That's what I

[22:40] think, too.

[22:42] That's what I'm just making sure I

[22:43] understand it. It shouldn't be a

[22:44] problem, but three

[22:46] separate

[22:47] >> separate instances

[22:48] >> [clears throat]

[22:49] >> or events that occurred. Okay.

[22:57] If you're going to contemplate that, do

[22:59] you want to also

[23:02] Yeah, and then

[23:02] maybe request for Dan, do you know one

[23:04] of the corners of What if it's a pretty

[23:05] severe complaint or

[23:08] issue? Like if someone got bit, for

[23:11] instance, something like that.

[23:14] You want to have to be able to address

[23:15] >> just have the condition be that if

[23:17] there's complaints

[23:19] and they're verified.

[23:21] Just any complaints

[23:22] verified to

[23:25] how this is being ran

[23:27] that it gets brought back to the

[23:29] planning commission to review.

[23:31] That seems fair. I like that. That's

[23:32] good wording. It's not like they're

[23:34] going to revoke it inherently, but it at

[23:36] least just let us eyes on it. Yeah.

[23:39] Or there could we could set a yearly

[23:40] review. That's another thing we could do

[23:42] as well.

[23:47] Is there a way to distinguish between a

[23:50] nuisance complaint versus

[23:52] something safety? Safety.

[23:57] I think we can

[23:58] I think complaints

[24:01] in regards to how this kennel is being

[24:04] ran,

[24:05] I think

[24:06] that would just give us the ability to

[24:08] bring them in for review either way.

[24:09] Right.

[24:11] How would you word

[24:13] Um it'll be

[24:15] one of the conditions is a yearly

[24:17] review.

[24:19] Of your operating not like your

[24:20] operation, but your permit. The condition of this

[24:24] permit.

[24:25] I mean, we make the

[24:27] people with the ADUs come in every year

[24:29] and verify that they're

[24:31] one of the primary

[24:35] Yeah, I I I think I think I think that's

[24:37] pretty reasonable to ask that that we

[24:38] want to review this yearly.

[24:40] So, next May.

[24:43] Well, and it could be very simple.

[24:45] >> [cough]

[24:46] [clears throat]

[24:46] >> It'd be very chopped. Next May, it's

[24:48] like, you know what? You guys have lived

[24:50] up to your end of the bargain.

[24:52] Appreciate it.

[24:53] >> Has there been any complaints already?

[24:56] No. Like nobody's sent in the house. I

[24:58] think they're in They're They're

[24:59] remodeling

[25:00] that house.

[25:01] Oh, they're They're remodeling that

[25:02] house.

[25:06] They're migrating from Salt Lake.

[25:13] I'm wondering if it would be better to

[25:14] have some sort of trigger with the

[25:16] annual review.

[25:18] Some sort of trigger.

[25:20] There would have to be a reason why we'd

[25:21] have them come in for a review

[25:23] instead of just an automatic. Yeah, I

[25:26] feel like that's kind of

[25:28] Yeah, I feel like get out of my

[25:29] business. Yeah.

[25:30] >> [laughter]

[25:31] >> Well, that's That's my thing. But if

[25:32] there's a complaint, like if I if I'm

[25:34] not running it right, my neighbors

[25:35] [clears throat] are going to complain.

[25:36] And then we And then we That's when the

[25:38] review happens. Yeah,

[25:39] that makes sense.

[25:43] Yeah, this This might be one of those

[25:45] things that it goes in and it just goes

[25:46] away quietly cuz everything's fine.

[25:50] Well, I think that's what we're hoping

[25:51] for.

[25:53] Seems like a verifiable complaint. Since

[25:55] we do pay the county to do that for us,

[25:57] it has a slight vetting process. I think

[25:59] it could protect on both sides if

[26:01] Allen says this is the same complaint

[26:03] we've received every time and nothing's

[26:05] changed. We've already seen it once.

[26:06] That probably wouldn't be verifiable,

[26:08] right? It'd be probably a burden already

[26:11] not happening if it's not really

[26:13] legitimate. And then

[26:14] if it's new, we'd be able to see it. So,

[26:16] the complaint would trigger it. It seems

[26:18] like that's enforceable

[26:20] and doable.

[26:21] Not too burdensome. Annually could be a

[26:23] little burdensome, especially if we get

[26:25] any more received in the next year.

[26:27] Yeah, we don't do the annual based on

[26:29] complaint.

[26:31] Verifiable complaint.

[26:34] And we don't want to go off the number

[26:36] of instances in case it's uh severe.

[26:39] Yeah. Yeah.

[26:40] I mean, that makes it a little

[26:42] half-hazard to do that.

[26:46] Yeah.

[26:47] Well, they've only bitten somebody

[26:48] twice. I get one more.

[26:49] >> I got one more.

[26:50] That's two free doggie jail free cards.

[26:54] Okay.

[26:58] All right. Do you actually have

[26:59] everything written down on the tackle

[27:00] list? No.

[27:03] Yeah, he has So, Oh, yeah.

[27:05] Our callers voluntarily.

[27:08] Gates locked.

[27:09] Uh

[27:10] nuisance verifiable nuisance complaints,

[27:12] it'll come back before Columnist.

[27:15] Planning commission. Did you need any

[27:17] more time for this or are we good? We

[27:20] can just invite her up to answer some of

[27:21] ours.

[27:22] Yeah, I don't have any any I don't I'll

[27:24] make sure you have the plan. You want to

[27:25] go over the site plan just so that

[27:27] everybody

[27:28] >> Depending on who's here, you

[27:30] flash [clears throat] that up to say no.

[27:31] >> Yeah, I'll make sure you have the plan.

[27:33] Right in the middle. [snorts] I'll just

[27:34] make sure they know that they're what

[27:35] they're applying for and but I don't

[27:37] have much to add, no.

[27:39] Just relax. Yeah, cuz this isn't a

[27:40] public hearing. No, but we we did

[27:43] request him last time to bring a site

[27:45] plan.

[27:46] >> [clears throat]

[27:47] >> Yeah,

[27:47] just saying that we we appreciate they

[27:49] put it in. Yeah.

[27:52] Yep.

[27:53] So, that was the only four conditions we

[27:55] had.

[27:59] Ask about the planning and get that in

[28:00] writing.

[28:02] Define regular, yeah.

[28:05] Okay.

[28:08] Sounds like you've got it handled. Good

[28:10] job.

[28:11] It always works out that way. Pays to be the last one here. Pays to be

[28:14] the first.

[28:16] I don't know what we're all celebrating.

[28:18] First time First time I beat you to the

[28:19] beer.

[28:20] >> [laughter]

[28:21] >> Had a hectic day, man.

[28:22] >> I thought really long and hard about

[28:24] staying in the place all night.

[28:26] But you did.

[28:28] Yeah.

[28:28] Um

[28:29] I don't know if this

[28:32] blurs [snorts] too much from what the

[28:33] agenda item is, but

[28:35] in council, did we discuss briefly and I

[28:38] can't remember what their determination

[28:39] was, but they wanted to review the

[28:41] overall ordinance for hobby kennels, is

[28:43] that right? At some point, the number

[28:45] of dogs.

[28:47] I don't know if that's something they

[28:48] can discuss further now or we need to

[28:51] notice it differently.

[28:53] That wouldn't apply to this at all cuz

[28:54] these guys would have applied first.

[28:56] Yeah.

[29:00] We'll get it on the next. We'll get it

[29:03] on the next agenda.

[29:05] They kind of review the ordinances as

[29:07] they relate to these.

[29:10] So with that, Travis, I don't know if

[29:12] you heard, but those two conditional use

[29:13] permits fall under the

[29:15] new ordinance and they

[29:18] don't have a hardship, so they're not

[29:19] going to there's

[29:20] Yeah, so they're off the I wondered

[29:22] about that. Yeah, yeah, they do. We

[29:25] thought it was and they have

[29:27] >> [clears throat and cough]

[29:27] >> noticing we thought it was just take it

[29:29] here, but it is it does feel a lot if

[29:31] even if we place conditions or anything

[29:33] occurred, they could just apply tomorrow

[29:35] and be principally permitted, so there

[29:37] was just no sense.

[29:38] Do you guys remember when I know there

[29:41] was a ton of conversation about sizing

[29:43] everything. Something they talked about

[29:44] at council meeting that I don't remember

[29:46] us ever discussing. We talked about the

[29:49] amount of parking, but did we ever talk

[29:51] about it being paved or concrete?

[29:53] >> I read I listened to the meeting

[29:55] yesterday and I thought

[29:57] Well, we did we did specify like

[30:00] parkable surface. Yeah. Yeah, not on

[30:02] grass. Not on grass, but Yeah, we didn't

[30:04] say it had to be concrete or asphalt.

[30:05] Well,

[30:06] that's that's that's how they have

[30:08] brought it up and they put they pulled

[30:09] that part out.

[30:11] So it still has to be a parkable

[30:12] surface, but Because we're going to get [clears throat] them

[30:15] for impervious service surface anyway,

[30:18] so

[30:19] I didn't Yeah, when I when I listened to

[30:22] that I was like we never said they

[30:23] pavement.

[30:25] Because half the driveways out here are

[30:27] unpaved.

[30:30] >> [laughter]

[30:37] >> A parkable surface.

[30:39] What's that?

[30:40] Yeah, how is that defined?

[30:42] According to one of my neighbors, you

[30:43] say we don't want it grass, but we want

[30:45] the discussion, but I'm assuming I agree

[30:47] with what they're saying. [laughter]

[30:47] They said something about we want

[30:48] surface

[30:49] park but we don't want it just to be

[30:50] grass.

[30:51] I took a liberty and said well, most

[30:54] codes want asphalt or concrete.

[31:02] For new development What does our code

[31:04] require for a new development? home

[31:07] residential I'd have to look. I actually

[31:09] know I'd actually don't know if it does

[31:10] require concrete. I thought I thought it

[31:12] should

[31:14] Not even a little apron, no?

[31:16] I'll look. I'm not sure. Good. You're

[31:17] covered.

[31:19] You're not. Maybe not.

[31:21] I think the ordinance doesn't actually

[31:22] call anything out.

[31:25] I mean they did

[31:25] >> We could the That's probably pretty sure

[31:27] the city's going to want to address as

[31:29] [clears throat] it gets more dense.

[31:30] Okay. Got to put that on your list of

[31:31] holes. list of things, holes, missing

[31:35] because

[31:36] All those will be grandfathered in, so

[31:38] all the homes now that are allowed to

[31:40] have dirt

[31:41] will be allowed

[31:43] to have dirt. Yeah. I can tell you if I

[31:45] could afford it, I'd have asphalt. It's

[31:47] true. I'm not going to go. You're you're farther than me. I'm 200 ft.

[31:51] You're about 350. 350 I would have got

[31:53] slag from Nucor and built my driveway

[31:55] out of slag.

[31:58] But we can

[31:59] If nobody has any other comments, we can

[32:01] close the meeting and

[32:04] adjourn until our Go play soccer. at

[32:06] 11:30. Go play soccer. Have fun.

[32:08] We'll We'll see you back here. We had

[32:11] Well, there was 12,000 sq. ft. We had

[32:13] about close to five. And then they're

[32:18] Gary, peace out.

[32:20] So, we received like five or six So,

[32:22] recently, not with the last one, but

[32:24] with this one.

[32:25] To be fair, I would say.

[32:28] Making sure the sprinklers and

[32:30] everything is

[32:35] » Making

[32:36] sure the sprinklers work and

[32:38] everything's safe.

[33:03] Welcome.

[33:04] I'd like to welcome you all to our

[33:07] May 14th, 2026 Planning Commission

[33:10] meeting. I am Commissioner McCormack and

[33:12] I'll be conducting the meeting.

[33:14] To begin our meeting, we'll have a

[33:16] Pledge of Allegiance led by Commissioner

[33:18] Weight and

[33:19] a prayer given by myself.

[33:24] Please stand and pledge allegiance with

[33:25] me.

[33:27] I pledge allegiance to the flag

[33:30] of the United States of America

[33:33] and to the republic for which it stands,

[33:36] one nation under God, indivisible, with

[33:40] liberty and justice for all.

[33:52] Our Father in heaven, we're very

[33:53] grateful for the opportunity we have to

[33:54] gather together here as residents of

[33:56] Hooper. We're grateful for the freedom

[33:58] that we enjoy.

[33:59] We're grateful for the soldiers who

[34:01] fight for us. We ask that you please

[34:02] bless them and their families that they

[34:04] may be comforted and protected by their

[34:06] way.

[34:07] We're grateful for

[34:10] the blessings that we have here and we

[34:12] ask that the spirit be with us to guide

[34:14] us in truth that we may

[34:17] discuss the needs of the city here and

[34:19] come to

[34:21] conclusions that will be acceptable to

[34:24] all. We're grateful for

[34:30] the knowledge that we have of thee and

[34:31] we say these things in the name of Jesus

[34:32] Christ. Amen. Amen.

[34:39] All right. First

[34:40] um are the consent items. We have the

[34:44] meetings from dated April 9th, 2026.

[34:49] Um did anybody have any corrections or

[34:51] I'll entertain a motion to approve those

[34:53] minutes.

[34:55] Uh I didn't see any uh

[34:57] waiting for any corrections, so I'll

[34:58] make a motion to approve the

[35:00] minutes dated April 9th, 2026.

[35:04] I'll second it. We have a motion from

[35:06] Commissioner White and a second from

[35:08] Commissioner Sebring. All in favor? Aye.

[35:12] Motion passes.

[35:14] Now on to I guess some agenda items on

[35:17] uh I guess some cleanup items on our

[35:19] agenda. Since the City Council last week

[35:22] passed the uh new kind of increased size

[35:27] on the condition the oversized

[35:30] structures, both of those are oversized

[35:32] structures that are on the

[35:35] agenda are no longer on the agenda as

[35:38] they will just pass under the new

[35:41] ordinance. So, those will not be

[35:42] discussed tonight or there will not be a

[35:45] public hearing on those. So, if you're

[35:47] here for those, just letting you know.

[35:50] And just to specify, though, they

[35:51] withdrew their applications. Oh, sorry.

[35:54] Yes. So, they withdrew their

[35:55] applications and are just going to go

[35:58] through the new ordinance

[36:00] process.

[36:02] And then

[36:04] we do have [clears throat] one item of business here for a hobby kennel for

[36:10] Grace Richards and Nick Brown. And kind

[36:12] of

[36:13] one one thing I wanted to say before we

[36:16] get into discussing this as a council as

[36:18] a planning commission, we are

[36:20] administrators of the ordinances that

[36:23] are already set in place, meaning we

[36:25] cannot change what is

[36:28] already written in city code in that

[36:30] instance, but we can

[36:33] apply conditions where those things can

[36:36] be met that don't

[36:38] do unreasonable ask on those residents

[36:42] applying for that as the use is written

[36:44] out in our in our code. So, we don't

[36:47] have

[36:49] the authority or the power to change any

[36:51] city ordinances per se or to deny things

[36:55] just that because

[36:56] we don't like things. Just so kind of to

[36:59] clarify what our role is here is when

[37:02] applicants come before us, we just have

[37:04] to look at what the city code is is

[37:06] written as and apply that code to the

[37:09] conditional the use that has been

[37:12] requested. So,

[37:14] kind of just clarify that

[37:16] um point right there. And then so, our

[37:20] now on to this item of business for the

[37:22] hobby kennel, Mr. Chairman.

[37:25] Sorry to interrupt, but I I do want to

[37:26] ask

[37:28] and see if we can make a motion cuz

[37:29] there's obviously a lot of citizens that

[37:31] have a lot of interest in this.

[37:33] I would like to ask if you guys think it

[37:35] would be appropriate to move citizen

[37:37] comment

[37:38] before this action item

[37:41] understanding of course that

[37:44] no action be taken based on their

[37:46] comments, but would that be appropriate

[37:48] to

[37:49] possibly move citizen comment to that

[37:53] people comment prior to moving on to

[37:55] action items?

[37:57] It It would be up to you guys to vote

[37:59] for it. Okay. Then, if you're okay with

[38:01] that, I would like to make a motion that

[38:02] we move agenda item five for citizen

[38:05] comment um allowing our

[38:08] citizens 3 minutes

[38:10] uh understanding we cannot take action

[38:12] on any items presented, but I'd like to

[38:15] move that up before

[38:18] um action item 4A.

[38:23] Okay, we have a motion from Commissioner

[38:24] Bates to move citizen comment

[38:27] to the first item.

[38:29] Do we have a second?

[38:33] I'll second it.

[38:34] Second from Commissioner Woodison. All

[38:35] in favor?

[38:36] Aye. Aye.

[38:38] All right, motion passes. Okay, so now

[38:40] we'll

[38:42] with that motion, we'll move citizen

[38:44] comment up. So, just on citizen comment,

[38:48] you'll have

[38:49] Please

[38:50] step forward to the microphone, state

[38:52] your name. You don't need to and if that

[38:54] you're a resident of Upper City, you

[38:55] don't need to give your address, and

[38:57] then you'll have 3 minutes.

[38:59] Um watch Morgan for your time to state

[39:02] your

[39:03] concern. And just so you know, like

[39:06] Commissioner Bates mentioned, we can't

[39:07] take actions on these comments, but um

[39:10] we can

[39:12] listen to your concerns.

[39:14] At this time, we'll open that up to

[39:17] citizen comment.

[39:20] Good evening. My name is Shay Wardleigh,

[39:22] and I

[39:22] am a Hooper resident.

[39:24] I um

[39:26] live back-to-back adjacent to uh the

[39:29] Browns, however, my mother is their next

[39:31] immediate next-door neighbor, and I

[39:33] spend a lot of time at my mother's house

[39:35] helping her. We have host family dinners

[39:38] where there are children present, and I

[39:41] have concerns about um the hobby kennel

[39:46] license that they've applied for.

[39:48] My understanding under a hobby kennel

[39:50] license is that it is not for commercial

[39:53] use, it's for private residence. In the

[39:56] April meeting, the Browns stated that

[39:58] their dogs are not pets, and that they

[40:00] are

[40:01] uh trained in what's called PSA, which

[40:04] is protection services. Um

[40:06] it's basically attack protocols. These

[40:09] dogs are specially trained to

[40:12] um

[40:13] protect their owners, and so I think

[40:16] that that's an inherent danger for the

[40:19] community and for uh their neighbors

[40:22] that increase in volume of this type of

[40:25] non-pet

[40:26] um in inherently increases the dangers.

[40:29] Furthermore, they've requested a hobby

[40:32] kennel license. However, they own a

[40:34] commercial business. They have a

[40:36] training business. And they

[40:40] my understanding is they don't meet the

[40:42] qualifications for a commercial license.

[40:46] And I don't think that they should be

[40:47] granted a hobby license just because

[40:49] they, you know, don't meet the the

[40:52] qualifications for a commercial license.

[40:54] Um their business includes services of

[40:57] training and boarding other people's

[41:00] aggressive dogs. So, again, that's an

[41:01] increase in quantity and so inherently

[41:05] an increase in potential dangers to

[41:07] their neighbors, the community,

[41:09] livestock, and so on.

[41:11] Um the In the April 9th meeting, they

[41:13] also stated uh again that their dogs are

[41:16] not pets, but they are canneled 100% of

[41:18] the time. They disclosed that their dog

[41:21] the dog breeds were Malinois, um

[41:23] which have a a little uh

[41:27] They're often called Maligators for and

[41:31] um German Shepherds. And these are very

[41:34] um high energy breed dogs. I'm concerned

[41:37] that if they, you know, one I want them

[41:39] to be canneled all the time, but that

[41:41] also leads to barrier frustration and

[41:44] Malinois in particular are known to be

[41:47] able to climb fences with ease. So, I'm

[41:50] asking the commissioners to deny the

[41:53] basic the uh hobby license based on the

[41:55] fact that they own a business and this

[41:57] is doesn't qualify for a hobby kennel,

[42:00] in

[42:00] uh is my understanding. And in spite of

[42:03] all of these considerations, if the

[42:05] commissioners do um

[42:07] approve to approve the hobby kennel

[42:10] license, I would like the structure to

[42:13] be a solid wall so little kids can't put

[42:15] their arms through the fence, extend 2

[42:18] ft below the ground so the dog can't dig

[42:21] through, and have a cantilevered um top

[42:25] so they can't escape over the top. Thank

[42:27] you.

[42:33] Any other citizen comment at this time?

[42:38] Yeah, Brian Easterday, resident. I live

[42:40] to the west of the grounds.

[42:42] Uh the conditional use has always

[42:44] confused me cuz what conditions are we

[42:46] supposed to put on there? And I have

[42:48] never seen any and and I would hope that

[42:50] there would be some that before this is

[42:52] granted or before the animals are put in

[42:54] that place

[42:55] >> [clears throat]

[42:55] >> there would be a fence, there would be a

[42:56] check to make sure that fence is secure

[42:58] much like she just said. So, as far as

[43:01] that conditional use, I'd like to know

[43:03] what some of the conditions of that are

[43:05] if that's possible,

[43:07] uh some of the restrictions, and and

[43:08] then who's going to monitor that

[43:10] and and make sure I know

[43:12] that barking and things like that might

[43:14] be or may not be a part of so I'd just

[43:16] like to know more information

[43:17] clarification on that. What What really

[43:19] qualifies as conditional use in this

[43:20] case?

[43:24] Thank you.

[43:27] Any other citizen comment?

[43:33] Uh Cheryl Hermes.

[43:35] Excuse [clears throat] me. I live next

[43:36] door to the uh to the grounds.

[43:39] When um

[43:41] I measured from their house to the

[43:42] property line, it's 27 ft. That's pretty

[43:46] close. They have 10 big dogs. My concern

[43:50] is the barking, the disturbances.

[43:52] Um

[43:53] I wrote a letter to the commission. I I

[43:56] hope you all received it, you all

[43:58] reviewed it.

[43:59] Uh

[44:00] mitigating nuisance

[44:03] is threefold.

[44:04] Uh mitigating nuisance noise, which is

[44:06] barking, ensuring that the dog enclosure

[44:08] and the kennel are closed to prevent

[44:10] commercial kennel activities from

[44:12] occurring under a hobby dog conditional

[44:14] use permit in an R1 zone,

[44:17] and to provide safe

[44:19] safety and potentially dangerous animal

[44:21] safety from potentially dangerous

[44:23] animals.

[44:24] >> [clears throat]

[44:24] >> Um

[44:26] We were counting animal code 6-4-13

[44:29] of

[44:30] Weber County Code

[44:32] uh deeming animals as nuisances if

[44:34] animals cause unreasonable barking,

[44:36] whining,

[44:38] howling,

[44:39] or disturbing noises. Ordinance number

[44:41] 2024-01,

[44:43] the single largest dog's bark

[44:45] uh

[44:46] single large dog's bark averages 80 to

[44:49] 100 decibels, which is equivalent to a

[44:52] car horn.

[44:53] Exceptional loud barks reach 113 to 116

[44:57] decibels. The hobby dog kennel permits

[45:00] applicants seeking potential multiplying

[45:02] that noise by 10 times in their

[45:04] respective zone area.

[45:06] So,

[45:07] I don't know what

[45:09] I guess we're proposing that

[45:11] um

[45:11] maybe kind of dish it to be that the

[45:13] dogs to be housed indoor at night time.

[45:16] Uh

[45:17] they won't be allowed to bark

[45:18] continuously more than 5 minutes or

[45:20] intermittently from 5 minutes to 60

[45:23] minutes.

[45:24] Outdoor kennels shall not be located

[45:26] closer than 50 ft from any side or rear

[45:28] property line. And if we were zoned in

[45:31] um agricultural,

[45:33] that neighbors would be 50 ft, not 27.

[45:37] And sound walls are solid fencing with

[45:39] blocks or muffles the noise from

[45:42] noises or used outdoors. The other

[45:44] thing that uh we're asking is that the

[45:48] conditions for the property owners

[45:50] agreeing not to engage in any activities

[45:53] that fall under commercial not kennel

[45:55] noises, including but not limited to

[45:57] receiving compensation for any services

[46:00] or products, boarding or training and

[46:02] also they don't allow

[46:03] disallowing temporary ownership of dogs

[46:06] other than

[46:07] um

[46:08] disallowing temporary ownership of dogs

[46:11] and other pets to circumvent the

[46:13] restriction of the public animal

[46:15] licenses.

[46:16] And I, too, am

[46:17] opposed to having a kennel license,

[46:19] opposed to having one.

[46:23] Thank you.

[46:26] Any other citizen comment at this time?

[46:29] Yes.

[46:34] Hi, my name is Grace Brown, or Grace

[46:36] Ritchey, as it used to be. Um

[46:38] I'm the one applying for this permit. I

[46:40] think there's a little bit of confusion

[46:41] about what this permit means. What this

[46:44] permit means is we're asking for five

[46:46] dogs instead of our legally allowed

[46:49] three. Regardless of if this permit gets

[46:51] passed or not, there will be three dogs

[46:53] on our property of a breed of our

[46:55] choice, as we're legally allowed.

[46:58] Um we do hear all of your concerns.

[47:01] Um PSA does not stand for protection

[47:03] services, it's actually a protection

[47:05] sport. Um what a hobby kennel does is it

[47:08] allows you to keep sporting dogs for

[47:10] your own not commercial

[47:12] personal use.

[47:14] Um and that's what we do. We have five

[47:16] of those. We'd like to be able to keep

[47:18] all five of those on our property.

[47:20] So, that's why we're applying for this.

[47:22] These dogs also will be kept inside,

[47:25] they will not be kept outside. So, to

[47:27] your concerns of will they be able to

[47:28] dig out, will they be able to jump out,

[47:31] if they can dig out of concrete

[47:33] flooring, we have some mutants on our

[47:35] hands.

[47:36] >> [snorts]

[47:37] >> But, I promise you they are kept safely

[47:39] inside. They are not kept in their

[47:41] kennel 24/7, but they are kept

[47:43] supervised 24/7. And if they are not

[47:46] supervised, they are in their kennels.

[47:48] Does that make sense?

[47:50] Um

[47:51] regarding the barking, that is very

[47:54] managed. You would not know we have dogs

[47:56] if you walked by our house. Our

[47:57] neighbors currently do not know we have

[47:59] dogs at our current house.

[48:00] Um so, that's pretty well managed.

[48:05] The backyard's fenced where they will be

[48:06] out and they will be supervised in that

[48:08] area if they are in the backyard. Um

[48:11] I think that's covers everything.

[48:13] Thank you. Thank you.

[48:17] Any other citizen comment?

[48:23] All right, I'll entertain a motion to

[48:25] close citizen comment.

[48:30] Make a motion to close citizen comment.

[48:32] Motion from Commissioner Widdison. I'll

[48:34] second. Second. Second from Commissioner

[48:36] Bates. All in favor? Aye.

[48:38] >> Aye.

[48:39] All right, so now we can move on to the

[48:43] conditional use permit for Grace

[48:45] Richards Brown and Grace [clears throat]

[48:47] Richards Brown and Nick Brown for a

[48:49] hobby kennel located license located at

[48:51] 6559

[48:53] West 4600 South. And we'll

[48:56] give you the time here for some

[49:00] uh discussion with the commission. I I

[49:02] guess I'll I'll begin that with just we

[49:04] have

[49:06] heard your from your emails and the

[49:10] concerns you expressed here and we feel

[49:13] like the applicant is being

[49:16] in good faith coming before us trying to

[49:18] do these things the right way. And so,

[49:21] what we do want to kind of discuss

[49:25] kind of some of those conditions where

[49:26] we feel like this would fit and kind of

[49:28] can be a win-win for everybody involved

[49:31] here. So,

[49:33] um

[49:34] any questions or anything? I guess

[49:38] first

[49:39] Malcolm

[49:40] maybe turn some time over to staff to

[49:42] kind of show the they did submit um if

[49:45] you want to go through the

[49:47] we asked for a site plan so they can see

[49:49] kind of where

[49:52] they

[49:52] Yeah, we have a site plan that's been

[49:54] submitted along with an application. Um

[49:56] I think you guys have done a good job

[49:57] explaining that they're seeking a

[49:59] conditional use permit in an R1 zone. Um

[50:02] This is the process that we follow. Part

[50:04] of our application requirement is a site

[50:06] plan. So, this site plan here just calls

[50:07] out the fencing, gives an idea of

[50:10] you know, where the gates are and the

[50:12] overall layout of the lot. So,

[50:14] if you have any questions

[50:16] that relates to ordinances, let us know

[50:17] and I'll try and help, but

[50:19] this is what we've been provided with.

[50:23] Thank you. Can you Can you scroll

[50:25] through the other picture of the

[50:26] building?

[50:27] The next thing they sent in was the back

[50:29] end.

[50:29] Sure.

[50:32] And then the one showing the kennel

[50:34] itself and

[50:38] All right.

[50:39] thanks.

[50:44] So, that's a picture of the kennel with

[50:47] a roof, right? And then the

[50:49] chain link fence.

[50:52] And then the

[50:53] indoor dog kennel where the

[50:56] transport Okay.

[50:59] Was that all open on there?

[51:01] They didn't specify if someone is

[51:03] staying there.

[51:04] No.

[51:06] The lobby house, that's right.

[51:14] Any other points of discussion that the

[51:17] commission wants to make?

[51:20] Ms. Brown, can you come back up? Please.

[51:24] Um

[51:26] in your the original Thank you for

[51:28] coming back, by the way. Yeah, I'm so

[51:29] sorry.

[51:30] And thank you for providing the

[51:32] documents we asked for. So,

[51:34] um

[51:35] in your original application

[51:37] um

[51:38] you were talking about noise and

[51:40] barking, and you listed down that you're

[51:42] going to use bark collars, correct?

[51:45] For the dogs who tend to whine

[51:48] or bark at dinner time, it's easier to

[51:50] have bark collars on them than to manage

[51:52] them. Okay.

[51:54] Um

[51:57] Another question that I've got is when

[51:59] you look at the site plan, you've got

[52:02] 6-ft fence all around the property.

[52:05] There's two gates that lead to the

[52:06] front.

[52:07] >> Correct. How How do you plan to secure

[52:10] those two? For For honestly, for other

[52:13] people's safety and for your dogs so

[52:15] that they can't get Yeah. So, those

[52:18] gates are also 6-ft, same height as the

[52:20] fence.

[52:21] Um we just have like bicycle chain locks

[52:23] that wrap around so you can't get

[52:25] through it. So, they are locked? Yeah. I

[52:27] don't know if they're locked right now

[52:28] cuz we've been having some people coming

[52:30] in and out to paint and do some drywall

[52:32] stuff.

[52:32] So,

[52:34] I don't know if they're currently

[52:35] locked, but they will be when we move

[52:36] onto the property.

[52:38] Okay.

[52:43] You also

[52:45] last month talked about

[52:49] taking care of odors and smells. Can you

[52:51] expand on that a little more? Yeah. So,

[52:54] if you look um next to the pasture,

[52:56] there's that

[52:57] nice rectangle that's gray, dark gray.

[53:00] Um that's the portable potty run. So,

[53:02] what we do is if we can't attend to the

[53:04] dogs going to the bathroom, meaning be

[53:07] right there with them, we put them in

[53:09] that portable potty run. Some are a

[53:10] little shy going to the bathroom, so we

[53:13] give them their own little space. Okay.

[53:14] How do you rest meaning [clears throat]

[53:15] it's it's fenced like a kennel? Yes.

[53:18] sir. Um so, once they

[53:21] um go to the bathroom in there, we scoop

[53:23] it out, put that in a little receptacle

[53:26] um that we have for the dog poop.

[53:28] And we spray it out and move it around

[53:30] to make sure it's not like one area is

[53:32] getting too stinky. And by moving it

[53:34] around, I mean move it 10 ft over, move

[53:36] it 10 ft over, give the grass a little

[53:38] bit time to grow back, too. Make sure

[53:40] everything's sanitary.

[53:49] Any other Any other questions for this

[53:51] property?

[53:52] Yeah, I guess

[53:53] on this property case you mentioned

[53:55] regular. So, obviously if they're using

[53:56] the the kennel to do their business, otherwise they're

[54:00] out and they might and go anywhere,

[54:02] right? So, you you mentioned regular

[54:04] cleanings. That mean

[54:06] every day, every week, or what?

[54:08] >> around behind my dog with a dog poop Oh,

[54:10] that makes

[54:10] >> [laughter]

[54:11] >> sense.

[54:12] Yes.

[54:13] Okay, I'll just leave it at that.

[54:20] I guess one one more thing too is I

[54:22] guess I mean the code mentions pretty

[54:24] clearly this is a hobby kennel, not a

[54:25] commercial kennel. So, we have an

[54:26] agreement you should not be doing

[54:28] anything as far as commercial wise in

[54:30] this property. So, I want to make that

[54:31] clear for you.

[54:32] Thank you.

[54:40] Any other questions? Thank you. Thank

[54:42] you, guys.

[54:45] Bring back to commission for

[54:48] further discussion or a motion.

[54:58] Um

[55:00] I I know we've had a lot of citizens who

[55:03] reached out and I want to tell everybody

[55:04] thank you for that. That's some really

[55:06] good conversations the last week or two

[55:08] over this.

[55:09] Um

[55:10] and we've had a lot of discussion in our

[55:12] work meeting about this as well.

[55:14] Um

[55:15] we want to make sure that we're

[55:16] protecting everybody's property rights.

[55:19] So, at this time

[55:21] um I would like to make a motion

[55:24] that we approve the conditional use

[55:25] permit for um

[55:28] Nick and uh Grace Brown

[55:31] uh

[55:32] for the hobby kennel at 6559 West

[55:36] Excuse me, 4600 South at Hooper Um with

[55:40] the following conditions.

[55:44] Ms. Brown already alluded to bark

[55:46] collars, so we would like that

[55:48] in there as a condition.

[55:52] The gates to the property, as she

[55:53] discussed, are secured currently with

[55:55] bike locks. We would like those to

[55:57] remain secured at all times.

[56:00] We talked through the cleanliness issue,

[56:03] making sure that there is regular

[56:04] cleaning

[56:05] with the animals.

[56:08] We also discussed that this is also

[56:09] covered in the other ordinance about no

[56:11] commercial use.

[56:14] Any other and last condition that we

[56:16] would like to

[56:18] implement with this is around any

[56:21] nuisance complaints

[56:24] that if there are nuisance complaints

[56:26] that are verifiable through Weber

[56:28] County, whether it be animal control or

[56:30] the Sheriff's Department, that we pull

[56:33] this back before the Planning Commission

[56:35] to review this item.

[56:38] For review. For review. Thank you.

[56:42] I do have an additional one. This was in

[56:45] the application,

[56:46] so I would advise the Planning

[56:48] Commission to

[56:50] require 6-ft tall fence.

[56:53] Excellent. Okay, thank you. I'd like

[56:55] to add that to the motion. Was that That

[56:57] was in the application. I just want to

[56:58] verify that these were I don't know if

[57:00] it was in the application.

[57:02] When we measured parts of the fence,

[57:04] they measured 6-ft.

[57:06] I don't know if 100% of it, with grading

[57:09] and everything, measured 6-ft. It's

[57:11] pretty close.

[57:13] But I don't know if it was in the actual

[57:15] application. Okay. I'm sorry. I thought

[57:17] that was in the application, so that

[57:19] might be You guys might That might add

[57:21] discussion.

[57:22] I'm sorry.

[57:38] » Would that be a reasonable request?

[57:43] I think so.

[57:45] Then I'd like to add that to the motion

[57:46] as well. That

[57:49] all fencing surrounding where the

[57:51] animals will be kept is um at a 6-ft

[57:55] height in all places.

[58:06] We have a motion from Commissioner Bates

[58:08] for approval. You don't have to restate

[58:11] everything that you said. We just need

[58:13] [laughter] a second.

[58:18] Before we do that, can I just ask one

[58:20] more question of the applicant?

[58:22] The the bark collars, that's a voluntary

[58:24] condition.

[58:25] You're okay with that condition? Yep.

[58:27] Okay. Thank you.

[58:38] I'll second the

[58:40] motion.

[58:41] We have a motion from Commissioner

[58:43] Bates, second from Commissioner

[58:44] Watterson. All in favor for the

[58:46] approval?

[58:48] I. I. I.

[58:50] Okay. Motion passes.

[58:55] All right, since we moved our sense of

[58:56] community to the beginning of the

[58:57] meeting, that is

[59:00] Now we'll allow her to make a motion for

[59:03] adjournment.

[59:04] I make a motion to adjourn.

[59:07] Motion from Commissioner Watterson to

[59:08] adjourn. Second. Second from

[59:10] Commissioner Bates. All in favor? I. I.

May 14, 2026 - Planning Commission Meeting

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