[0:00] meeting is now called to order

[0:03] if everyone would please rise and take

[0:05] the flags

[0:10] i pledge allegiance to thank the united

[0:13] states of america and to the republic

[0:15] for which it stands one nation under god

[0:19] indivisible with liberty and justice for

[0:22] all

[0:32] i'll just come up here

[0:57] am rosario hi deanna rosario do solemnly

[1:00] swear you seldom swear that i will

[1:02] support and maintain that i support and

[1:04] maintain the constitution and laws of

[1:06] the united states constitutional laws in

[1:08] the united states and the constitution

[1:10] and laws of north carolina

[1:12] and a constitutional laws in north

[1:14] carolina not inconsistent there with not

[1:17] inconsistent there is and that i will

[1:19] faithfully discharge and that i will

[1:21] faithfully discharge the duties of my

[1:23] office my duties in my office as a

[1:25] member of oatmeal's board of adjustments

[1:27] so

[1:28] as a member of oatmeal's board

[1:31] so help me guys so how many guys

[1:36] i did

[1:37] oh

[2:12] um

[2:55] sure

[3:01] [Laughter]

[3:08] all right dan uh you up if you're ready

[3:11] give me one second

[3:12] restarting okay

[3:32] everybody doing tonight

[3:35] good good

[3:38] i have one right here thank you i guess

[3:52] everything always picks the worst time

[3:57] murphy's law um

[4:21] so

[4:47] all right

[5:09] second

[5:10] i'm sorry

[5:49] some technical difficulties

[6:31] uh

[6:40] um

[6:54] so

[7:08] right

[7:19] so

[7:41] all right you good

[7:44] um

[7:58] [Music]

[8:08] one second

[8:20] uh

[8:38] you can't get my presentation

[8:42] you can't see the screen from what

[8:44] you're looking at now

[8:46] okay

[8:47] that's not the screen of the

[8:49] presentation on are we doing uh

[8:52] we do the training

[8:56] [Music]

[9:06] a refresher on the standard here

[9:11] ultimately if you have if

[9:15] they have the entire presentation

[9:17] printed out for them

[9:19] so you can just let me do

[9:35] and i have shared the screen so if you

[9:37] click at the bottom it says share screen

[9:39] you should be able to see what you're

[9:40] looking at

[10:02] well they have it in front of them okay

[10:06] all right y'all hear me okay

[10:08] yes yes

[10:12] everybody hear me yes yeah

[10:14] okay great

[10:15] all right so i know it's been a long

[10:17] time first of all sorry that i'm remote

[10:20] coded right now

[10:22] uh so i couldn't be there in person and

[10:24] then sorry for all the technological

[10:25] issues my computer shows up

[10:31] so as as you all know

[10:32] uh we've met

[10:34] previously but um it's been quite a

[10:36] while since we've had a board of justice

[10:38] hearings

[10:40] uh so just before we get started with

[10:42] the substantive uh case before us

[10:44] tonight reminder on the

[10:46] uh rules and procedures for board of

[10:48] adjustments

[10:50] um

[10:52] as you all are as you all may recall

[10:54] this is what is known as a quadratic

[10:55] judicial board

[10:57] and what that means is this is

[11:00] sitting as like a judge would get

[11:03] uh in court

[11:05] you're you're taking back to

[11:07] define legal standards who goes back

[11:10] making determination as to whether the

[11:12] applicant

[11:40] land use that is

[11:42] allowed within the town of hotels but

[11:44] only by special use permits so it's

[11:47] used that we are

[11:49] you can

[11:50] do this uh but only in support of

[11:52] adjustment agreed that it is

[12:09] the chair of me and i understand we have

[12:11] to have a temporary chair if we uh

[12:14] had the board uh vote to elect the

[12:16] career in care

[12:19] not yet

[12:21] so in a few minutes we'll need to do

[12:23] that to proceed uh because current

[12:25] chairs uh

[12:28] expired and we'll need to reappoint them

[12:31] because everyone serves with three-year

[12:32] terms so we need to have a five-member

[12:34] board

[12:35] so

[12:36] in just a few minutes you'll vote to

[12:38] have a temporary um

[12:42] chairperson and then that person will

[12:44] sort of run the meeting

[12:47] and i'll be happy to assist with that

[12:48] but the way the way it runs is you've

[12:50] got an applicant here

[12:53] who's

[12:54] soon present for the meeting

[12:56] may be represented by council

[12:59] there

[13:01] their verdict is to come in and show you

[13:03] that they are entitled

[13:05] to a specialist permit

[13:08] as

[13:09] the board of adjustment your job is to

[13:12] elicit the facts and testimony necessary

[13:15] to make a determination

[13:16] as to whether the four criteria for

[13:18] special permanent or medic

[13:20] if they are met then you do rest but

[13:23] then you should grant specialties permit

[13:25] if they are not met

[13:27] then you need to document why

[13:30] which element is not met and why it is

[13:32] not passed ultimately is the burden of

[13:34] the applicant to prove that they meet

[13:36] those four standards

[13:38] your role as a board member and an

[13:40] important adjustment is to elicit the

[13:42] testimony necessary to make that

[13:44] determination

[13:45] or if there's questions about something

[13:47] that the applicant has presented or

[13:49] someone believed in opposition to this

[13:50] but she's permanently presented to ask

[13:53] those questions so that you have the

[13:54] knowledge base to make the decisions now

[13:57] everything that you use to make a

[13:59] decision and acquire that judicial

[14:01] hearing has to come from the hearing

[14:03] itself so anything that you may already

[14:05] know

[14:06] or may have heard about this project you

[14:09] can put that out of your mind i don't

[14:10] think that's going to be an issue here

[14:13] but you need to make your decision on

[14:15] whether the permit is granted or not

[14:19] only on the facts presented to you

[14:21] tonight that are part of the record in

[14:23] this case the record in this case is

[14:25] what will be presented

[14:27] during the hearing testimony any

[14:29] documents that may be presented

[14:32] i don't know that this will be an issue

[14:34] tonight but certain testimony requires

[14:36] an expert opinion

[14:38] for example traffic impact

[14:41] things that would be within the realm of

[14:44] something only a

[14:46] um

[14:46] an expert would

[14:48] have knowledge of

[14:50] so effect on property values

[14:54] traffic study analysis those types of

[14:56] things and as we as we get through the

[14:58] hearing if any of that comes up i'll

[15:00] flag that for you that's probably with

[15:02] our expert testimony

[15:04] and that's that just means you know you

[15:06] can't consider late testimony is just someone coming in

[15:09] and saying i think this is going to

[15:11] affect my property values

[15:13] um

[15:15] you need someone who is familiar with

[15:17] the field of real estate you could

[15:20] testify that how it might affect

[15:22] property value

[15:24] likewise um

[15:27] so

[15:29] as as we go through tonight um

[15:32] you know i'll i'll make sure that we're staying within the balance of

[15:35] testimony that we are allowed to have at

[15:37] this hearing

[15:39] and if anybody does have questions about

[15:41] a piece of testimony or evidence of the

[15:44] appropriateness of that

[15:46] just let me know

[15:48] and we'll make sure we

[15:52] proceed the right way

[15:54] so

[15:57] as i said the issue tonight is

[16:02] a special use permit

[16:05] the four criteria for special needs from

[16:08] nesting on one second

[16:10] hey dan i have that at the um

[16:13] back of my uh

[16:15] you guys have this yes yeah they have

[16:17] that in there as well i mean if you want

[16:19] to explain to them that's fine

[16:30] uh

[17:03] things like that because

[17:05] that's not what's before us tonight um

[17:07] dan what'll probably happen is um

[17:10] now that we've concluded the ethics

[17:12] training there are privilege in the

[17:14] elect officers but when i do a quick

[17:16] presentation on the case the slides that

[17:19] i provided for them the four criterion

[17:22] for the special use is at the back of

[17:24] that and there may be some discussion to

[17:26] make sure they clarify

[17:29] the specific particular criterion um at

[17:32] that time so i think the training that

[17:34] you just gave is sufficient so we can

[17:37] discuss this later when that's when we

[17:39] get to that decision

[17:42] if they need clarification

[17:44] did any member of the board have any

[17:46] questions at this point on on what we're

[17:48] doing tonight or how we're going to go

[17:50] about doing that

[17:51] i do not no they said no there was one question

[17:56] hello we got one question hold on a

[17:57] second i'm sorry i may be jumping ahead

[17:59] but

[18:00] this whole special use permit is because

[18:02] the current zoning codes don't allow for

[18:05] daycare i'll give you updates or is that

[18:07] am i jumping ahead no no perfect

[18:09] question it's in the presentation i'm

[18:11] getting ready to give and it'll make all

[18:12] the sense world

[18:14] all right i think that's it dan uh jane

[18:17] you want to move to the rest of the uh do we have a volunteer for a vice

[18:23] chair

[18:33] and i think what jane is saying is

[18:35] until you elect officers the um mrs

[18:39] hamilton would just preside over this

[18:41] meeting in the union so we wanted to go

[18:42] to the motions and seconds for that one

[18:46] well technically she just and correct

[18:48] for wrong jane and dan

[18:50] mrs hamilton will take us through item

[18:53] three which is approval of an agenda the

[18:55] election of officers

[18:58] y'all didn't approve that

[19:00] okay so we're at the election of the

[19:02] chair and vice chair

[19:04] ultimately you make that decision and

[19:07] whoever is chosen at the chair and they

[19:09] take over the rest or do you just leave

[19:11] miss hamilton to finish to me my

[19:12] suggestion is that tonight we'll like

[19:15] elect a vice chair

[19:18] and then once miss uh

[19:20] crater is receded then we can

[19:27] so we just elect the vice chair tonight

[19:30] yeah that's if dan thinks that's

[19:33] appropriate

[19:34] and dana did you catch that

[19:36] i

[19:40] ultimately mrs hamilton has volunteered

[19:42] as vice chair but with the issue of mrs

[19:45] craver

[19:46] um i think miss hamilton we would

[19:49] ultimately let her preside over the rest

[19:52] of the meeting but they're gonna

[19:54] nominate a vice chair tonight and then i

[19:57] guess they wait until no

[20:00] i'm saying

[20:01] miss hamilton would be

[20:03] the vice chair

[20:05] then at the next meeting we

[20:08] can

[20:09] do the whole election okay so so mrs

[20:11] hamilton is volunteers vice chair she

[20:13] proves out over this meeting his vice

[20:15] chair and then at the next particular

[20:17] board of adjustment meeting we just have

[20:18] the

[20:19] election of the office yeah i think that

[20:22] worked okay okay

[20:24] uh does anyone have any comment

[20:28] no just because i was gonna make a

[20:30] motion tour okay

[20:44] the second about mrs gaston

[21:01] yeah uh next on the agenda is uh the

[21:04] approval of the minutes

[21:06] we did that already oh yeah i did that

[21:08] all right i guess next i'm up um

[21:11] the public hearing uh i'm reading from

[21:13] this particular document now

[21:16] and this is the official public hearing

[21:18] this is for a board of adjustment case

[21:21] and it's a request to consider a special

[21:23] use permit to allow a daycare facility

[21:26] in a rr rural residential slash cz

[21:30] conditional zoning district this is case

[21:33] p 22-01-hm

[21:36] on august 29th 2022. if you flip to the

[21:39] second page

[21:41] um just the background information the

[21:43] applicant again is seeking a specialist

[21:45] permit to open up a daycare facility

[21:48] inside of an existing recreational

[21:50] facility if you recall

[21:52] or if you're not sure the tj robertson

[21:54] life center is open

[21:56] as a

[21:58] recreational facility the site is 10.0

[22:01] acres in size

[22:02] but this is the key that's tied to mrs

[22:05] gaston's previous question

[22:07] the reason why there is a zoning case

[22:10] zng-009

[22:13] because this site is zone rr slash

[22:17] conditional zoning and when she

[22:19] initially got the conditional zoning

[22:21] approval a couple years ago

[22:24] she was specifically ironed in to the

[22:27] uses that she submitted with the

[22:30] application at the time two years ago

[22:32] and it was just generic uses so when she

[22:35] wanted to actually add daycares as a use

[22:38] because daycares was not listed in the

[22:41] list of uses she wanted under the

[22:44] initial conditional use approval she had

[22:47] to go through the process again to add

[22:49] daycares in as a permitted use

[22:52] she's here today because our zoning

[22:55] coach says that the only way you can

[22:57] approve a daycare is by a special use

[23:00] permit so the case that i'm referencing

[23:02] again this is

[23:05] zng00922 that was approved on july 18th

[23:08] was just our board of commissioners

[23:10] giving her the approval to have daycares

[23:14] as a permitted use on this conditional

[23:17] zoning with them knowing that in order

[23:20] to approve the daycare she would have to

[23:23] come through to you guys so that's why

[23:25] she's here today but that's why that

[23:27] reference case is in your staff report

[23:31] um

[23:32] next page it provides you with just the

[23:36] zoning of the property and surrounding

[23:38] zoning you see the properties to the

[23:41] south or zone rr

[23:44] the property of directly adjacent to the

[23:47] subject property is developed with the

[23:49] religious facility

[23:50] and so basically you have mainly almost

[23:53] 100 percent residential uses around this

[23:55] particular property

[23:57] the next page it outlines the

[24:00] southwest plan the southwest plan calls

[24:03] for medium density residential and

[24:05] suburban residential um you'll find that

[24:09] to be useful when you get to the back

[24:11] page because one of the last criteria

[24:13] speaks about the land use plan that's

[24:15] the reason why i have that in here um

[24:18] the next couple of video slides you see

[24:21] are just the site

[24:22] photographs i'm not sure if you guys had

[24:24] a chance to visit the site but this is

[24:26] the existing facility it's 50 000 square

[24:29] feet um and i want to make sure i point

[24:32] out whatever is going on at the facility

[24:34] right now as a recreational center

[24:36] that's really not what you're

[24:37] considering you're considering if a

[24:40] daycare center is suitable to be

[24:42] operated inside of it she's not

[24:44] constructing anything on the outside

[24:47] this will basically be a complete

[24:49] internal operation and so i don't think

[24:52] you'll see anything different than what

[24:53] you see out there now it just means that

[24:56] somewhere in that building she's going

[24:58] to operate a daycare now in full

[25:00] disclosure she's also going through

[25:01] inspections to go through the proper

[25:03] process for permitting and things of

[25:05] nature but she has to get disapproved

[25:07] first

[25:08] if you go to the last sheet

[25:11] what i have on here um this is directly

[25:13] out of general statute in order to grant

[25:16] a special use permit the board of

[25:18] adjustments must find the following and

[25:20] i'll read them out

[25:21] into the record

[25:23] a that the use will not materially

[25:25] endanger public health or safety

[25:28] second the use meets all required

[25:30] conditions and specifications

[25:32] third the use will maintain or enhance

[25:35] the value of adjoining or budding

[25:37] properties or that the use is a public

[25:40] necessity and finally that the location

[25:43] and character of the use will be in

[25:45] harmony with the area where it is

[25:46] located in this generic general

[25:49] conformity with the towns of dr lange's

[25:52] plan i put that on the previous slide to

[25:54] show you that it is in compliance with

[25:56] the lanes plan knowing that that was

[25:58] going to be mentioned in the fourth

[26:00] criterion um and then correct me if i'm

[26:03] wrong i have in bold a four-fifths vote

[26:06] is required to grant a variance but all

[26:08] other actions by the board of

[26:10] adjustments are just requiring a

[26:12] majority vote is that correct

[26:15] that's correct that tonight is just a

[26:17] simple majority simple majority vote so

[26:19] just to clarify if this is a variance

[26:22] they would have to get four out of five

[26:23] of you guys to vote approval but because

[26:26] it's a species permanent a simple

[26:28] majority would ultimately grant the

[26:30] approval um then also just for

[26:32] clarification do does the applicant have

[26:35] to show

[26:37] support for all four criterion for a

[26:40] special use permit like a variance or is

[26:42] it

[26:44] up to the discretion of the board

[26:46] well the board has to find that all four

[26:49] of those that's what i'm asking so what

[26:51] i'm clarifying is all for these

[26:53] criterion you would have to find that

[26:56] she meets all four of these

[26:58] before we can ultimately grant that

[27:00] majority approval um that concludes my

[27:03] presentation in terms of the finest

[27:05] effect i like to open up the floor to

[27:07] any questions that you guys have for

[27:10] myself or the town clerk or the town

[27:13] attorney

[27:17] that's it for the presentation because

[27:20] that's why i said typically for

[27:21] quasi-judicial the only thing i can do

[27:24] is tell you the facts of the case i

[27:25] can't give you

[27:26] an opinion about it i can't tell you

[27:28] what you should or should do i typically

[27:30] would give a very

[27:31] lengthy recommendation but

[27:34] because the decision of the like mr hot

[27:37] sauce said that your decision is based

[27:39] on just fondness of facts and testimony

[27:42] that's what you have to rely on and what

[27:44] you're ultimately

[27:45] deciding is if this facility the way it

[27:49] exists now

[27:50] do you think a daycare center suitable

[27:52] on the inside that's ultimately what their request is i think he's

[27:56] asking if anybody has any questions on

[27:58] the four factors i do

[27:59] for that

[28:01] i mean i don't see how c is meant

[28:06] a public necessity

[28:09] i think that's just a matter of and dan

[28:11] craven for wrong with a daycare center i

[28:13] don't know if

[28:15] any daycare would be a public necessity

[28:17] per se that's more of a

[28:19] i guess more european

[28:21] you know if you look at the criteria

[28:23] where we're trying to see if it meets

[28:26] whether it is the public necessity is

[28:28] not on the list

[28:30] so you know we need to find that it is

[28:32] it won't endanger public health

[28:35] that is going to maintain or enhance

[28:37] value of property around it

[28:40] but it doesn't need to be so we don't

[28:42] need to decide if well we need a daycare

[28:45] center

[28:46] or we don't need anything

[28:47] that's not really what

[28:50] your your job tonight is solely to

[28:51] determine these four factors

[29:00] okay i have a question

[29:02] this

[29:04] proposed daycare this is for school-aged

[29:06] kids before after school

[29:09] off school daycare it's not going to be

[29:11] like infants and

[29:12] toddlers from my understanding of school

[29:15] age um kids

[29:16] from my i think uh

[29:19] i'm not mistaken she might have it in

[29:21] her application so you mean just after

[29:23] school care and not like a full day care

[29:25] from 0 to 12. hold on a second it has it

[29:28] here it has before and after school

[29:31] it says before and after care for kids

[29:33] that's in the in this one the agenda yes

[29:36] in the uh phase 3 of the application

[29:40] it does say pretty much

[29:42] full day care but it does say

[29:45] it doesn't say school age or infants it

[29:47] just says for kids

[30:04] i would say if it says school before

[30:06] after school i would

[30:08] probably consider that school age but

[30:10] and what about summer programs

[30:15] she has summer camp in here

[30:18] they already do that yeah and i think

[30:20] they are already doing that so so this

[30:22] is basically just an expansion of what

[30:23] they already do

[30:26] as a recreation center

[30:28] i wouldn't say just an expansion because

[30:31] the state based on what she's moving

[30:33] with this is will be on approved daycare

[30:36] with the state so

[30:38] some of the activities that she does

[30:40] with kids may be increased but for what

[30:43] she's asking for this evening there is

[30:45] going to be an officially state approved

[30:47] daycare operation um i do think that

[30:50] some of the services that a child

[30:54] participates in daycare may

[30:56] be similar to what typical summer camp

[30:58] activities are

[30:59] but i wouldn't call it an extension of

[31:02] summer camp um it appears that there are

[31:05] some activities she's going to be doing

[31:06] with kids that do fall under the strict

[31:08] specific

[31:10] requirements of what the state regulates

[31:12] as a daycare

[31:15] do we know had any of the neighbors had

[31:18] any objections

[31:19] no

[31:20] based on the general statute we do we

[31:23] did send notices out to all adjacent

[31:25] property owners

[31:26] and i want to make sure i'm clear as

[31:28] well this has been

[31:31] discussed for about three months because

[31:34] if you recall she had a two-month

[31:36] process from the zoning which was

[31:39] planning board and board of

[31:40] commissioners where at that public

[31:42] hearing it was notified that she's

[31:44] pursuing this zoning action because she

[31:47] wants to add a daycare so i will say

[31:50] that not only was this particular

[31:53] special use permit

[31:54] hearing advertised that sign has

[31:57] probably been up on that property

[31:59] advertising the two-month period of

[32:01] rezonings as well and so if you looked

[32:04] at our

[32:05] zone of signs

[32:06] we're trying to

[32:08] get a little snazzy with technology our

[32:10] zoning signs have qr codes on them so i

[32:13] don't have to go get the zoning case

[32:15] printed on every sign you take your

[32:17] camera and you point it at the sign it

[32:19] runs it straight to a public hearing

[32:21] pending public hearing agenda item so

[32:24] the public agenda item for the rezoning

[32:27] case has been

[32:29] pretty much on uh our website since

[32:32] probably june

[32:34] and that's the case that listed she's

[32:36] pursuing a daycare center here this is

[32:39] the approval of the daycare center so i

[32:41] would surmise that the general public at

[32:44] least in the surrounding neighborhood

[32:45] because we had to send notices out to

[32:47] adjacent properties for the rezoning

[32:49] case and this particular case to answer

[32:52] the question i would surmise that in my

[32:54] opinion they probably are aware i'm not

[32:57] i haven't received any phone calls in

[32:59] any opposition

[33:01] but at least i can say that sign

[33:04] notifications letters and on our website

[33:07] it has been up for quite some time at

[33:09] least two months

[33:11] this will be the third month because

[33:13] the approval of the rezoning was on july

[33:16] 8th

[33:17] um and then we had to wait a while to

[33:19] get a date to actually uh

[33:22] um be within your your schedule as well

[33:25] so i would say

[33:27] since june has been the time that we

[33:30] were probably advertising um probably

[33:32] earlier than that because

[33:34] the

[33:34] town of oatmeal's border commissioner's

[33:36] approval was in july 18th the planning

[33:39] board approved was the month prior to

[33:41] that

[33:42] most daycares have outside facilities

[33:44] for the children is that already there

[33:48] our ordinance only says that if you have

[33:51] a playground it has to be enclosed with

[33:53] defense it does not require a playground

[33:56] we haven't gotten any indication from

[33:58] mrs robinson that she's doing anything

[34:01] on the exterior of the site

[34:04] to submit the site plan that she made in

[34:06] submitting an application is the same

[34:08] site plan that she used so that's why i

[34:09] said from what has been presented to

[34:11] staff this appears to be an internal

[34:14] operation if you've ever visited the

[34:16] site there's so much

[34:18] there's a lot of activities inside the

[34:20] building and so i'm not

[34:22] sure if that factored into why she's not

[34:25] going to have a playground but she does

[34:26] not

[34:27] have one

[34:28] uh submitted with the site plan that

[34:30] gives us the

[34:31] impression that there's any activity

[34:33] that's going to take place

[34:54] i think you can discuss if you got any

[34:55] questions for us or you got a question

[34:56] for each other

[34:58] and then i guess somebody makes a motion

[35:00] at some point is there anyone here

[35:01] that's going to present their case um and dan craft i don't think the

[35:06] applicant has to be present um yeah yes

[35:10] so who's the advocate that want to

[35:12] present

[35:13] testimony that's fine uh then you just

[35:16] make your decision based on the

[35:18] documents that are in the record okay

[35:20] yeah

[35:22] so there's nobody here that

[35:23] will speak against her for

[35:26] basically there's nobody here in support

[35:28] or in opposition um which is typical

[35:31] with public hearings um

[35:33] but if there are questions that you

[35:35] specifically have for her that's not in

[35:38] the documents you have to record that

[35:40] would be a challenge but as of right now

[35:43] if that does if that is the case if you

[35:45] do have questions that aren't answered

[35:48] by the evidence currently in the record

[35:50] and you need testimony from the

[35:51] applicant or someone else

[35:53] in order to make your decision

[35:56] then we would have to probably uh

[36:00] you know

[36:01] reconvene

[36:03] and ask that uh the applicant be

[36:05] president yeah so that's a deferral if

[36:07] you feel that there's an answer that you

[36:10] need that is gonna determine the vote

[36:14] yes or no

[36:15] then i think what he's saying is you

[36:17] could possibly uh postpone or defer the

[36:19] case so that she can

[36:22] answer your question directly or if you

[36:24] feel that the documents and the

[36:26] information that you have this evening

[36:29] is sufficient enough for you to make

[36:30] that evaluation or that determination

[36:33] then you proceed accordingly i do have

[36:35] some questions um

[36:37] how close is the nearest residential the nearest housing

[36:42] is there a

[36:43] um

[36:44] it's like a distance

[36:46] yeah a neighborhood close to the

[36:48] building or is it out there where

[36:50] there's nobody around it i will say

[36:52] uh if i'm on the building side of

[36:56] black's bridge there's a church if i'm facing the building there's a

[37:02] church on the left-hand side there are

[37:05] two single-family houses on the

[37:07] right-hand side

[37:09] and then across the street there's a

[37:11] whole neighborhood okay so i think the

[37:14] neighborhood is called blackbridge

[37:15] village

[37:16] and i think steeplechase is on the

[37:18] backside of that across the street

[37:21] but right beside it there is a

[37:23] pretty large church on one side

[37:26] and

[37:27] i wouldn't call it a heavily wooded area

[37:29] it's not a neighborhood on the other

[37:31] side but there are two houses

[37:33] on that side i would say most of the

[37:35] residential development that you see

[37:38] is probably across the street i wouldn't

[37:40] say there's a significant amount of

[37:42] resident development within the

[37:43] close confines on the same side of the

[37:46] street okay because this says that it

[37:48] will operate from six in the morning

[37:50] until six in the evening

[37:51] um so i'm just asking these questions

[37:54] because of maybe a noise issue

[37:56] um if they're going to have recreational

[37:58] activities you're adding an additional

[38:01] however many children that are going to

[38:03] be there so is this going to create a

[38:05] noise issue with the neighbors um that's

[38:08] kind of where i'm going to just know

[38:09] it's traffic transportation right into

[38:12] the day and people lining up on the

[38:14] street i mean i see that the parking lot

[38:17] is extremely large

[38:19] um but if you got a lot of recreational

[38:21] activities going on you got people

[38:22] coming and going picking up kids

[38:25] so that could become an issue i would

[38:27] say um

[38:29] just and i'm not the advocate but just

[38:31] surmising what has been presented to me

[38:34] i would say that i think the building is

[38:36] sufficient enough to handle the

[38:38] operation internally

[38:40] she hasn't indicated to me what the

[38:42] number of kids are

[38:45] i didn't get an indication where it's a

[38:48] large and considerably large

[38:50] number of people um typically what we

[38:53] look for is the parking and the parking

[38:55] calculation is one space for

[38:59] i think

[39:00] three

[39:04] parking calculation is

[39:10] two parking spaces plus one off street

[39:12] parking space for each employee

[39:15] and so um

[39:18] i think it's more of a judgment call we

[39:19] don't have any information that tells us

[39:21] how many children that she's targeting

[39:23] to deal with during the day so i do

[39:25] think that's a valid question i guess

[39:27] your question would be

[39:29] do you think that

[39:30] the day care center operation at the

[39:34] same time as the recreation facility

[39:36] operation

[39:38] will push

[39:39] this facility to the point where it

[39:41] wouldn't have adequate parking from what

[39:43] you have now that's the question that

[39:45] you ultimately have to determine but i

[39:48] don't see anything in my application on

[39:50] what has been submitted to us

[39:52] it would help to know like if they have

[39:54] a half of the building dedicated for

[39:56] child care or one big room dedicated for

[39:59] child care or however they're going to

[40:01] do that so that would give them them as

[40:03] well as us an approximate idea of how

[40:05] many people are going to be in that

[40:07] facility any i will say if that is that

[40:10] is the question i will say from my

[40:12] conversations with the chief building

[40:14] inspector because right now

[40:15] she's having to deal with them because

[40:18] what no matter where you put this in the

[40:20] building you're going to have

[40:21] um exit fire hydrant i meant fire exit

[40:25] issues and things that you may have to

[40:26] alter the building to do

[40:28] and so from my

[40:29] uh

[40:30] conversations and meetings with them and

[40:33] the applicant and the

[40:34] chief building inspector it appears that

[40:36] a small room or small section of the

[40:39] interior piece would be used it does not

[40:42] appear to me to sound like half of the

[40:44] entire facility will be utilized it

[40:47] sounds like she's trying to find a small

[40:50] area or room within the existing portion

[40:53] that she would have to alter to steal me

[40:55] the building code but that's what it

[40:57] appears to be centered towards

[41:00] that's still an intimidating number of

[41:02] kids

[41:03] but it does indicate to me that it

[41:05] appears that she's want to utilize a

[41:07] small portion of the building not the

[41:09] entire facility

[41:10] i do have a question for that playground

[41:13] if she wants that playground will she

[41:14] have to come back

[41:16] and do this again no the playground

[41:19] simply says in our code if you do have a

[41:22] playground it just gives parameters on

[41:24] the construction of that playground so

[41:26] if you go back to the far end and i'm

[41:29] just telling you why i don't think that

[41:31] she's going to have one

[41:33] if you go to the far end of that site

[41:36] that's the only portion of the site

[41:37] that's not pavement

[41:39] the entire front and other uh front and

[41:43] left right side of the entire facility

[41:45] is paved the other side of it is an

[41:47] adjacent property so if i were just

[41:50] looking at analysis

[41:52] analyzing the site i would say the rear

[41:54] would probably be the only area that she

[41:56] could put something the reason why i

[41:58] don't think that's practical is because

[42:00] that's the rear entrance on exit to the

[42:03] biggest gym that they have

[42:05] so you'd be running a a playground out

[42:08] of the gym

[42:09] the way the code reads the playground

[42:12] has to be accessible from an interior

[42:13] classroom

[42:14] so i don't think that that portion of

[42:17] the building would be sufficient for a

[42:18] playground either that may be why she's

[42:21] not proposing one if she does propose a

[42:25] daycare she wouldn't have to come i mean

[42:27] propose a playground she wouldn't have

[42:29] to come back to you guys to get an

[42:30] approval on the playground she's going

[42:32] to meet the building code on where she's

[42:34] putting it and the accessibility to it

[42:37] so she still has to meet the building

[42:39] code but the playground wouldn't have to

[42:42] come back to you guys for approval i

[42:45] just think based on the me looking at

[42:47] the building looking at the site and the

[42:49] layout of the building

[42:51] i don't see where she could put one

[42:52] outside if she does do one she has to be

[42:55] the building code

[42:56] that street is it a two-way street black

[42:59] bridge yeah yes okay and we is she gonna

[43:02] have someone or do you know if she's

[43:04] gonna have someone out there to direct

[43:06] traffic control once pickup starts at

[43:08] six because

[43:10] and i can't i'm trying to picture it but

[43:12] having that traffic backed up so the the

[43:15] parents can come in and pick up the kids

[43:17] is someone going to be there controlling

[43:19] that traffic i would say um in terms of

[43:22] it's two different

[43:24] levels to that answer when dlt approves

[43:27] a facility of this magnitude they

[43:29] require what we call a deceleration lane

[43:32] if it gets a big a much bigger they are

[43:34] going to require stop lights and things

[43:35] that nature so dlt did require the

[43:38] installation of a deceleration lane for

[43:40] this facility and what that is is if you

[43:42] have traffic coming this way and traffic

[43:45] coming this way on blackbridge road and

[43:47] cars start to back up there's a separate

[43:49] dedicated lane

[43:51] that you can pull into they just gives

[43:53] only access to this site

[43:55] so that's the answer to the

[43:57] car stacking up on blackbridge if we're

[44:00] talking about dropping off directly in

[44:03] front of the building

[44:04] because of the topography if you go to

[44:06] the site it's very steep

[44:08] sloping topography so i would surmise

[44:11] that the drop-off area is probably going

[44:13] to be well off of blackbridge because

[44:15] you're going to probably have to turn

[44:17] into the site and drive a condition a

[44:19] pretty considerable distance to get to

[44:21] the building

[44:22] and that's probably where i would

[44:24] surmise that you're going to have kids

[44:26] being dropped off i don't you're not

[44:27] sure on that

[44:29] i don't see how you would do it in

[44:31] blackbridge because

[44:33] at least i probably i wouldn't

[44:35] um i don't anticipate if you go to the

[44:37] site

[44:39] i don't see how anybody really listens

[44:41] to me would want to drop off on

[44:44] blackbridge because of the way the site

[44:46] is set up you would have to turn onto

[44:48] the property and drive around through

[44:50] the property to get to the building

[44:53] that's where our surmise would probably

[44:55] be your safest location

[44:57] this would be monday through friday

[44:59] um yes from my understanding

[45:02] the site photo the view of it it looks

[45:05] like there might be multiple entrances

[45:07] into the parking lot the various

[45:10] the only interest

[45:11] to the parking lot is there are

[45:14] different access points around the

[45:16] parking lot but there's only one

[45:18] entrance to the parking lot off of black

[45:20] ridge road

[45:21] so there's areas where if you turn in

[45:24] off of the street

[45:26] you can

[45:28] kind of keep straight to a parking area

[45:30] where they have bus bus parking and then

[45:32] you can make a left to because it's

[45:34] almost like a detention pond in the middle of the

[45:38] site that you can go around but there's

[45:40] only one entrance to and from the

[45:43] property of black people and flax bridge

[45:45] right now is still just two lanes

[45:46] there's not a turning lane

[45:48] uh it's it's two lanes in one direction

[45:50] and then there's a dedicated

[45:52] deceleration lane that was put in

[45:55] as required from the d.o.t since the

[45:57] erect

[45:58] since this building's been erased yes

[45:59] okay i haven't been down there in a

[46:01] while yeah and not much farther from

[46:03] there are they doing

[46:04] work for 292.95 they've changed the area

[46:07] tremendously they got three roundabouts

[46:09] further down 295 is dumping out there

[46:12] but

[46:13] what the reason why i say d.o.t comes

[46:15] into play when d.o.t was doing the

[46:17] evaluation of the recreation center in

[46:19] general because it's 50 000 square feet

[46:22] because there is concern with traffic

[46:25] that's where there are certain

[46:26] thresholds of dlt that are triggered

[46:29] based on the magnitude of a development

[46:31] the lowest threshold is your

[46:33] deceleration lane the next threshold is

[46:35] a traffic impact study the next

[46:37] threshold above that is you're probably

[46:39] having to put in stop lights and things

[46:40] of that nature and so they determine

[46:44] what that threshold is and sometimes

[46:47] they see a development that doesn't

[46:48] require anything so for this development

[46:51] um the approval by dot did require

[46:53] deceleration lane and that's all kind of

[46:56] been resolved yes

[46:59] yeah they needed they had to have that

[47:01] in stock before they could get an

[47:02] approval from uh traffic impact is one

[47:04] of those things that does require

[47:06] expert testimony of these things so

[47:09] if you believe that that is necessary

[47:13] that's a good point that might be

[47:14] something that

[47:15] you know

[47:17] you need to

[47:19] really lean on but

[47:21] as chancellor said it may

[47:34] one of the reasons that i asked about

[47:38] the size of the the childcare operation

[47:40] is uh that would depend on how many

[47:43] children would depend on how many

[47:45] people are coming to drop off and pick

[47:47] up because they've already got

[47:48] recreation and everything in there so if

[47:51] it's only maybe 10 or 12 kids i don't

[47:54] think it would make that much of a

[47:55] difference in the traffic so that's kind

[47:57] of why was that that's a very good point

[47:59] because if we're talking 10 kids versus

[48:02] a couple hundred right completely

[48:04] exactly so like i said if they if

[48:05] they've already got recreation and all

[48:07] kinds of other stuff going on you're

[48:09] still going to have a lot of traffic so

[48:11] five or ten cars to me isn't going to

[48:13] make that big of a difference and again

[48:15] we don't have a number of kids the only

[48:17] thing i can tell you is the

[48:18] conversations that we're having you got

[48:20] to understand the magnitude of it

[48:22] they're having this conversation after

[48:23] we've given the building a co we've

[48:25] already approved everything in the

[48:26] building for the recreational facility

[48:28] so when she's coming back she knows that

[48:31] in order to open this in this facility

[48:33] she has to do some changes to the

[48:35] building to meet the building code to

[48:37] meet the state requirements of what any

[48:39] daycare would be right and under those

[48:41] conversations it doesn't appear that

[48:44] she's saying she's taking half of a 50

[48:47] 000 square foot facility for kids

[48:50] she's trying to find a small portion

[48:52] in that building to retrofit that inn

[48:55] that still doesn't give me the number of

[48:56] kids

[48:57] but it kind of does tell me that this doesn't anticipate from my

[49:02] standpoint to be in a very large

[49:04] operation

[49:07] excuse me i said but we don't know

[49:11] so without knowing the number of kids we

[49:13] don't know if she's going to have enough

[49:14] staff to to deal with all the kids and

[49:17] the traffic and

[49:19] all the logistics that go with it

[49:22] that's a valid question but i think

[49:24] that's that comes in what that falls in

[49:26] line with your state regulations on how

[49:28] many people that that really doesn't

[49:30] have anything to do with us because that

[49:32] is by the state how many you have the

[49:34] qualifications of each they do have a

[49:37] very strict set of regulations yeah i'm

[49:39] very familiar with it with that and

[49:41] that's why i said i do know this is a

[49:43] fully functional daycare center because

[49:45] we did talk to the state in terms of

[49:47] what their requirements were it's very

[49:49] strict yeah yeah it's very strict and so

[49:52] that still doesn't answer the question a

[49:53] number of kids but i think when

[49:54] employees a lot of those things are

[49:57] regulated and then does she plan to

[49:59] expand to where she's gonna be third

[50:01] shift opening on weekends

[50:04] because then you got to consider the

[50:05] church traffic

[50:07] i'm not sure

[50:12] would that be another hearing if she

[50:13] wanted to do that or she would just

[50:15] increase with the stuff we don't approve

[50:17] the hours of operation

[50:19] here's a daycare now when you say third

[50:21] shift what would a third shift daycare

[50:23] operate as i'm not

[50:24] sure yeah they they keep the kids

[50:28] overnight

[50:29] so eleven to seven

[50:31] what she ultimately said here in her

[50:33] application was six a.m to six months

[50:35] yeah but

[50:36] i'm thinking

[50:38] later on and she planned on expanding

[50:40] and then

[50:41] i was thinking about traffic especially

[50:43] if she explained it on sundays with the

[50:45] church today um dan what i guess would

[50:48] you consider if their application says

[50:50] the daycare center from 6am to 6pm with

[50:54] expanding that to being 24 hours

[50:57] overnight would that constitute a

[50:58] different type of approval

[51:01] that's not

[51:02] granted here

[51:06] what's the question for their their

[51:07] application is to run daycare for six

[51:10] days

[51:11] yes and uh there's a question is if they

[51:13] wanted to expand it to

[51:15] third shift of overnight would that

[51:18] require them to come back to the board

[51:20] of adjustments

[51:24] um

[51:30] i mean still a daycare but

[51:35] well

[51:37] could they could they do they personally

[51:41] today i think we consider they're going

[51:43] to be running

[51:44] and then if they want to change it down

[51:46] the road

[51:47] we'll figure out what happens they have

[51:49] to do that

[51:51] but for today

[51:53] they're they're running

[51:54] and i do know in the general statute

[51:57] they can put conditions

[51:59] um

[52:00] maybe that could be a condition that it

[52:02] operates under what the application

[52:04] indicated it would be that would lock

[52:06] them in i'm not sure

[52:08] conditions that you impose on a special

[52:10] use permit can only be permitted from

[52:12] the extent that

[52:14] you know if one of these conditions if

[52:16] the condition is added then it helps

[52:18] meet the criteria

[52:20] so if they meet all the criteria

[52:25] it has to be

[52:26] you know if if they ran it from 66 then

[52:30] it would

[52:34] yeah that kind of thing so

[52:36] any condition you put on it has to be

[52:38] geared towards

[52:40] assisting them to meet one of these four

[52:41] criteria in other words they would meet

[52:43] these four criteria

[52:45] if they added anybody

[52:47] does that make sense

[52:49] yeah do you understand what he's saying

[52:57] is any anything of financial cost to

[53:00] hope meals

[53:04] i mean

[53:06] as far as taxpayers any of this would be

[53:08] a financial cost or it's just solely on

[53:11] the facility

[53:12] yeah i don't think i'll attacks now it

[53:14] says here uh no fiscal impact okay yeah

[53:18] that would be a backer yeah

[53:20] i mean we as

[53:22] i do economic development as well so any

[53:24] new establishment especially this

[53:26] magnitude

[53:27] there are benefits from it but i don't

[53:29] think

[53:30] this particular use would swing it one

[53:32] way or the other in terms of the task

[53:35] base

[53:36] and i see they're also wanting to do

[53:38] bingo

[53:40] is bingo generally in the evenings isn't

[53:42] it normally in the evening hours

[53:46] bingo on there i wouldn't consider being

[53:48] out to be a part of daycare i mean i

[53:50] think she probably can do that now okay

[53:52] at the recreation center because i think

[53:53] she does pickleball and stuff like that

[53:56] um she has programs for singers but i

[53:58] don't i wouldn't

[54:00] she put it in there i wouldn't consider

[54:02] my daughter six

[54:05] oh

[54:06] i'm not sure

[54:11] they could probably maybe adjust their

[54:12] hours later and that's not something we

[54:14] do that's something they wouldn't want

[54:15] to do

[54:17] if they got complaints or something

[54:18] that's just my thought

[54:21] you know if somebody called about

[54:23] complaints about noise or traffic then

[54:26] they could you know maybe adjust it on

[54:28] their own with their hours or how they

[54:30] do things so

[54:32] not just my opinion

[54:36] because we can't control the hours or

[54:37] anything that they do out there just

[54:43] i don't have any more questions

[54:46] same

[54:47] any more questions from anybody not

[54:49] satisfied

[54:50] um okay so wait i'm sorry i do have one

[54:54] more question the church says

[54:57] adjacent do they have a day here

[55:00] no not to my knowledge i do know they

[55:02] have talked to the uh

[55:05] the facility about overflow parking uh

[55:08] being

[55:09] allowed at the church

[55:11] you can do certain things like shared

[55:12] parking agreements and things of nature

[55:14] i do know they had conversations

[55:17] but i do know that i don't i know the

[55:20] pastor uh i'm gonna say hi but i do know

[55:22] the pastor but i don't think he has a

[55:24] daycare at the church okay other than

[55:27] like during the service

[55:29] some of them do yeah

[55:30] i'm not yeah like you know some churches

[55:32] have overflowed for kids during service

[55:35] but i don't think because they would

[55:37] have to go through the special

[55:38] experiment processes

[55:40] um any daycare center has to go through

[55:42] the special perfect process

[55:44] i'm not aware enough it was one approved

[55:46] at the church before

[55:48] i came along i'm not aware of one being

[55:50] there i do know like i said they've had

[55:52] conversations about

[55:55] the utilization of the church parking

[55:56] lot a lot of times when you have

[55:59] requests for shared parking we we uh

[56:02] consider the character and use of the

[56:04] building so let's say that the time that

[56:06] my building will be occupied

[56:09] is during the week and your building is

[56:11] adjacent and you work during the week as

[56:13] well we're going to meet at the same

[56:14] time

[56:14] so we're not you're not giving me

[56:16] parking that's taking you're giving me

[56:18] partners taking away from your parking

[56:19] calculation but if i'm operating monday

[56:22] through saturday

[56:24] and you're a church and you're only

[56:25] operating on sunday typically those uses

[56:28] will not be

[56:29] in conflict with each other those are

[56:32] two uses that do work well with shared

[56:34] parking agreements she doesn't have one

[56:36] with them i do know that they've had

[56:38] conversation

[56:42] there's not any more questions we have a

[56:43] motion to close the public hearing then

[56:45] we'll have discussion and vote on the

[56:48] approve our disapproval

[56:50] i'll make a motion to close the public

[56:52] meeting except 5 seconds save it

[56:56] okay so you want to you guys want to

[56:57] discuss it um

[57:01] and then we can vote

[57:03] give some opinions

[57:06] she's not only home yeah she she can't

[57:08] yet she's

[57:18] i don't think it's going to detract from

[57:20] the value of the joining properties

[57:21] because they already use it right

[57:23] they're already out there doing stuff

[57:25] and it's just an addition to and it's an

[57:28] and or type thing

[57:30] so they're just adding

[57:32] i don't see hand i just

[57:34] see i mean if our criteria is that it

[57:36] meets all these

[57:38] all four of these

[57:39] yeah speaking to the mic so we can

[57:41] capture it okay

[57:45] i didn't know it was on

[57:50] okay

[57:52] all right you're recognized down there

[57:55] so just getting back to letter c

[57:57] and and from my understand we've got to

[58:01] based on abcd that

[58:04] it meets all these requirements and i

[58:05] don't see how we can determine whether

[58:08] it's going to maintain or enhance the

[58:10] value

[58:11] and i don't see how we could say it's a

[58:13] public necessity

[58:15] i mean

[58:16] i don't know there's other daycares out

[58:18] there there is a lot of residential area

[58:20] and i'm sure there's parents out there

[58:22] that would appreciate a daycare for

[58:24] their younger children so

[58:27] i'm just stuck on that but other than

[58:28] that i think we

[58:30] i would be good with everything okay

[58:34] next um i'm inclined to go ahead and

[58:36] permit it okay

[58:39] um as far as the enhancement goes my

[58:41] opinion is that you know the building's

[58:43] already there

[58:44] um so it's it's already either enhanced

[58:47] or it's not and i think that it is

[58:49] it's a huge building it's a nice

[58:50] building

[58:51] um you know they do a lot they they

[58:54] really do a lot for their children i

[58:55] think this is just my opinion i'm not

[58:57] trying to influence anybody um

[59:00] but

[59:00] it i i think that it does enhance

[59:07] um did y'all have a question

[59:11] no but that's just my opinion on that

[59:13] part of it

[59:14] and he already discussed the public new

[59:16] necessity thing

[59:18] with that

[59:19] i just kind of feel that it does

[59:21] the only thing that that i see is an issue is the number of

[59:25] children that are going to be there

[59:28] but they can always work around that i

[59:30] think and like i said if there are

[59:32] issues with noise or issues with traffic

[59:35] they may be able to

[59:37] adjust their hours so that it's not

[59:39] during the peak traffic time people

[59:41] coming in and out to work and

[59:44] if there are noise issues then

[59:47] um

[59:48] if if someone complains about it they

[59:50] could they can always address that issue

[59:52] that's just my opinion so

[59:54] and they definitely have plenty of

[59:56] parking yeah they do i saw that that's a

[59:59] lot of parking out there but like i said

[1:00:01] if that's why i was asking about how

[1:00:03] many children so i'd have an idea of how

[1:00:05] many people would be there to pick up

[1:00:07] and drop off and like mr mclaughlin said

[1:00:09] it's not safe to drop kids off on black

[1:00:12] bench road you got to pull in there and

[1:00:14] get your kids and stuff so so i don't

[1:00:16] see how that would actually block

[1:00:17] traffic in that area um again my opinion

[1:00:21] only so

[1:00:23] once again we don't have any information

[1:00:25] in the record on traffic

[1:00:40] the applicant provide that

[1:00:43] or someone provide that

[1:00:47] but i don't think we can

[1:00:49] say one way or the other without

[1:00:55] the expertise that d.o.t

[1:00:57] has allowed it that's enough for me i

[1:00:59] don't need an expert opinion i don't

[1:01:01] either and most from what i've seen just

[1:01:03] my experience in town most of your

[1:01:05] traffic is when you get into town

[1:01:07] um

[1:01:08] up there around the fire department area

[1:01:10] where they're going to put the round

[1:01:11] butt in and that's kind of my experience

[1:01:13] where it's always a little bottleneck

[1:01:14] there but other than that it's kind of

[1:01:16] smooth sailing out out through that area

[1:01:18] i've been out in the wild but um

[1:01:21] that's just what i've observed out in

[1:01:22] that area

[1:01:25] so if there are no more questions um do

[1:01:27] i have a motion to approve

[1:01:29] um let me let me stop miss hamilton dan

[1:01:32] do you need them to go through each

[1:01:33] criterion or can they approve all four

[1:01:36] as a slave do you need to go through

[1:01:38] speaking into the record if you approve

[1:01:40] all four i think you can do it in one go

[1:01:42] if you're going to deny one of them

[1:01:47] but they would need to read all four

[1:01:49] india the language

[1:01:52] yeah well you need to find that all for

[1:01:54] example that's what i'm getting at so i

[1:01:56] don't think you can and then correct for

[1:01:58] i don't think it's it's so simple as

[1:02:00] saying let's get a motion to approve

[1:02:02] you would have to state

[1:02:04] that i recommend an approval that

[1:02:07] it uh

[1:02:09] what you're saying so we would have to

[1:02:10] read it

[1:02:11] yeah yeah okay so in the motion you

[1:02:14] would just have to say you feel that it

[1:02:16] beats this and you feel that the second

[1:02:18] one that you feel

[1:02:19] can i can i do it um

[1:02:22] okay i'd like to make the motion uh for

[1:02:24] case number p22-01-hm

[1:02:29] to grant the special use permit

[1:02:33] the first one is useful not materially

[1:02:35] endangered public health or safety

[1:02:38] use use meets all required conditions

[1:02:40] and specifications useful maintain or

[1:02:42] enhance the value of adjoining or

[1:02:44] abutting properties or that the use is a

[1:02:46] public necessity location and character

[1:02:49] of use will be in harmony with the area

[1:02:51] where it is located and is in general

[1:02:53] conformity with the town's adopted land

[1:02:55] use plan

[1:02:56] um

[1:02:57] is that your motion

[1:02:59] right that's my motion

[1:03:11] all in favor raise your right

[1:03:14] hand all opposed

[1:03:19] approval is granted all right

[1:03:24] i just forgot the vote part geez

[1:03:28] the important part

[1:03:30] oh

[1:03:31] that will conclude a meeting dan um okay

[1:03:34] i'll make a motion to adjourn the public

[1:03:35] hearing

[1:03:37] are you done yeah i've done it okay um

[1:03:40] dan i'll uh give you a cough on anything

[1:03:42] but that'll conclude

Hope Mills Board of Commissioners- Special Meeting August 29, 2022

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