[0:36] to see everyone tonight. We're good to go. Okay. Welcome, uh,

[0:41] Horn County Council. I'm going to call this meeting to order at 6:01 p.m. And

[0:46] I'll call upon Deputy Mayor Perah for the indigenous land acknowledgement,

[0:50] please. >> Thank you, Mayor. The council of the

[0:52] corporation of the township of harm pit [clears throat] would like to begin by

[0:56] respectfully acknowledging that the land we gather here today is the treaty 9

[1:02] 1905 from 1906 territory, the traditional lands of indigenous peoples.

[1:08] As we work towards reconciliation, may we all live with respect on this

[1:13] land and live in peace and friendship with all its diverse peoples.

[1:17] » Thank you. review and note any changes the agenda.

[1:21] There is one addition uh 12.2 the council discussion for bell fiber. Uh

[1:27] this just came up because we had a meeting this week and uh we only have

[1:30] one meeting for next month. So if I can get a mover and a seconder to approve

[1:35] the agenda. Moved by councelor John Perov, second by councelor Peter

[1:38] Kissmaker. Be it resolved that council does hereby approve the agenda as

[1:42] presented. Those in favor and that is carried. Declaration of peciniary

[1:46] interest, declaration of conflict of interest. Council, you can do that at

[1:49] any time if such uh situation arises. I don't have any par paperwork right now.

[1:55] And we have the Hornpian Housing Corporation's annual general meeting

[1:59] tonight, which is pretty exciting. And um if I can get a seconder to uh and

[2:05] a motion and a second, a mover and a seconder, please, to open the meeting.

[2:10] Moved by councelor Belinda Kissmaker, second by councelor Peter Kissermaker.

[2:13] Be it resolved that council does hereby enter into the annual general meeting of

[2:17] the Hornpane Housing Corporation at 6:03 p.m. Those in favor? And that is

[2:23] carried. And um I'm going to call it to order

[2:28] first if I can get a mover and a seconder,

[2:32] please. Move by John Councelor John Caroff. Second by councelor Dylinder. Be

[2:37] it resolved that the the 2026th annual general meeting of the Hornpane Housing

[2:41] Corporation is hereby called to order at 6:03 p.m. And be it further resolved

[2:45] that the council of the of the township of Horn does now sit as the sole

[2:50] shareholder of HHC for the purposes of conducting business of the annual

[2:54] general meeting in accordance with corporations bylaws and the Ontario

[2:58] Business Corporations Act. Those in favor and that is carried.

[3:05] Okay. Next item on the agenda is the approval of the minutes from August 13,

[3:09] 2025. If I can get a mover and a seconder, please. Moved by councelor

[3:13] John Perov. Second by councelor Peter Ktomaker. Be it further resolved that

[3:17] the council of the the council of the township of pain does now sit as the

[3:22] sole shareholder of the HHC for the purposes of conducting business of the

[3:26] annual general meeting in accordance with the corporation's bylaws and the

[3:30] Ontario business and the Ontario business corporations act. Sorry, I read

[3:34] the wrong one and no one stopped me in all of that. [laughter]

[3:39] » I did. Um, and why I did that was I had a question. Can John need it if um he

[3:44] was not here at that meeting? >> If he's not on the minutes.

[3:49] » Yeah. >> Uh, no.

[3:52] » No. Okay. So, if I can get a second, uh, Peter, [laughter] if we can change that

[3:56] up for Peter Hmaker to be the And now I'll read the correct [clears throat]

[4:01] motion. Be it resolved that council sitting as the sole shareholder of the

[4:04] Hornpane Housing Corporation hereby approve the minutes of the annual

[4:08] general meeting held on August 13, 2025 as presented. Any uh question on those

[4:13] minutes or changes? There being none, I put that to a vote.

[4:18] Those in favor and that is carried. Okay.

[4:23] Well, it's exciting to uh be here tonight for the annual general meeting

[4:27] and I welcome Katherine Lewis, the executive director, back to council

[4:30] table and um I'm glad to see the movement that has been done at Hornpane

[4:36] Housing Corporation since 2021. It's been a lot of work and uh we're

[4:41] currently in the revamp and Katherine's leading the project for the

[4:46] revitalization of the Queen Street property and hopefully we'll see that up

[4:50] for sale in the near future. and um and have that accomplishment under our belt.

[4:56] And I do have to give a big shout out to our board. So we do have uh councelor

[5:00] Blindic Kissmaker that sits on the board currently from council along with me and

[5:06] um and we have three other community members that sit on our board and we

[5:09] usually have full quorum and I know that um our vice chair Greg Drew has stepped

[5:15] up for me when I'm not there to chair and it's uh growing capacity in that way

[5:20] as well. And I have to um speak to the growth that I've seen in

[5:27] tenants tenant management under uh Katherine's direction. There's been new

[5:33] policies uh better living conditions for our current tenants in Parkview

[5:38] Apartments and uh it's it's exciting. It's exciting to see the ch when you

[5:43] think back to 2021 when we took over and not knowing how to run an apartment

[5:48] building, getting the correct staff in place, negotiating good contracts and

[5:53] seeing that move forward to today. So, I want to welcome everyone to the annual

[5:58] general meeting and I'll hand it over to Katherine Lewis.

[6:02] » Hi. Um, I think um I need to be let into the meeting. Did

[6:09] you try exiting and rejoining them? >> Yeah,

[6:13] » because I have it so that you can do it. I

[6:16] » um and I don't see Mitch either. And he

[6:24] it says um someone will let you in. I can't join it from my computer because

[6:30] the Wi-Fi is not working. Um the Wi-Fi is working

[6:38] to But it's not working on my computer. >> Well, I mean, yeah, when I try to open

[6:41] it, it won't work. >> Okay. So, we're having some technical

[6:45] difficulties. Is that what's going on? >> Is there any way that we can share the

[6:50] presentation and see if Mitch is able to join?

[6:53] » One of us has to get in there.

[7:03] » Okay, no problem. It's not the time to >> Sorry. That's okay.

[7:09] What is the um address of the house that you guys are working on? Is it It's on

[7:14] Queen Street. >> 50 Queen

[7:26] here too. Like I think that the whoever like made the meeting has to

[7:32] » Is it Mitchovich? >> Yeah, we need to be let in. It's not

[7:37] whoever made it because I Cindy was able to open it earlier for me if I can. So,

[7:44] it should be anyone who's invited and both you and Mitch were invited. So, I

[7:48] don't know why it's not. Maybe it has to be same organization.

[7:52] » I went to both.

[8:04] » No, no worries. Let's just take our time. Make sure we get everyone

[8:08] connected. Technology works great until it doesn't work, right? That's

[8:12] [laughter] it. It's our best friend until it starts. We start pulling our

[8:16] hair out because of it.

[8:20] And everyone at this council table went through CO. We know exactly all the

[8:24] pains of [laughter]

[8:30] » I'm trying to log in on my phone so that I can use my um data.

[8:38] I accepted that meeting today. If I log in, can I do it?

[8:43] » Likely. But I did just log in. Let me see if I can join the meeting from

[8:50] » Someone would have to let me in probably too, right?

[8:56] » No, I think I'm in something.

[9:01] Yeah, I'm done.

[9:08] » I'm also >> I just admitted everyone

[9:15] » and I'm leaving now. >> Thank you so much.

[9:22] » There we go. Hello, Mitch. Good to see you here.

[9:26] » Hello, everybody. >> I didn't realize you were online. We

[9:30] just did some housekeeping items for the annual general meeting and um I've just

[9:35] I did some quick opening remarks just highlighting the some of our successes

[9:40] and thanking the board who diligently meets regularly and um and we usually

[9:44] have full quorum and uh and I just handed it over to Katherine Lewis. So

[9:49] that's where we are in the meeting. >> Okay, perfect. No problem.

[9:54] » Okay. Uh, thanks guys for leading for me. I apologize for that.

[10:02] Um, I'm just going to present this full screen.

[10:09] Okay. So, uh, thanks to everybody for coming to the ATM. Um, the horn every

[10:15] year we are, um, we like to take the time to come and

[10:21] speak to our shareholders so we can report all the things that you you've

[10:26] created us to do and you can see our progress. I'm usually here a couple

[10:31] times throughout the year too, but it's always the the year it's always um a

[10:37] good exercise to go back and look at everything like at what you've been able

[10:42] to accomplish in the year and look at last year's report compared to this

[10:46] year's. So, um I this will be posted online on the Horane Housing Court

[10:53] website. Uh if anybody is interested in seeing

[10:57] all of the the nitty-gritty details. Um so how it works

[11:04] uh the in 2021 as everyone knows the township created the HHC to support

[11:11] housing operations development preservation and the development in the

[11:16] community. So with uh council, the council at the time, which pretty much

[11:21] is you guys, with that foresight and with the uh insight from the housing

[11:28] needs and demand study, uh they decided to create an arm length entity that

[11:34] would be able to move a little bit more freely in the market um in the open

[11:39] market without having um like the

[11:45] the corporation of municipality is unable to own things uh in the same way

[11:51] as a Ontario corporations is. But uh yeah, we were created with a mandate to

[11:59] uh support housing and to get housing going in Horane and this was probably

[12:05] the best way that the the the township could support housing.

[12:12] Um we have our own board of directors. They met working times. Uh last year it

[12:18] was a pretty busy year uh meetings wise because we had so many we had a couple

[12:24] working meetings and I think a special meeting at one point. So there's a

[12:28] little bit more than the 12 that people sign up for. So I really appreciate my

[12:32] board for that. Um they I do have a very committed working board and they're a

[12:40] technical board. So, they were picked because they have a lot of technical

[12:45] expertise, whether it be with housing or in industry.

[12:49] Uh, they're all very accomplished community members and I appreciate their

[12:54] time. I know they're very busy and they're volunteers and that's like

[13:01] they're not being paid to do any of this. So, the amount of commitment that

[13:05] they they give to the HHC is is is really um

[13:11] inspiring to me and makes me want to do a better job because I'm the only one

[13:14] there getting paid. [laughter] Um

[13:18] so, this year we did do our strategic plan and uh it's notable that we did

[13:23] update our values and our mission and our vision.

[13:28] So, we did we took I did present the strategic plan to you guys earlier this

[13:33] year, but just to um say we I just wanted to highlight that our mission was

[13:41] tweaked and we did spend some time on it. Uh it's kind of wordy, but we wanted

[13:47] to be sure that we weren't getting um set into one servicing one priority.

[13:55] We didn't because as we all know in the community affordable housing is a major

[14:00] issue but at the same time there are people who have the money that aren't

[14:04] able to get into secure housing or to into appropriate housing and um

[14:12] 83% of porn painters they own their home. We don't have much of a rental

[14:16] market. So like in order to address all of these

[14:22] issues, we we didn't want we wanted to be sure that we were able to a remain

[14:28] self- sustaining, so make money and not get pigeonhold into affordable housing

[14:33] and and just not having enough to to just enough to keep the lights on. And

[14:39] at the second time we wanted to the second thing is um we wanted to ensure

[14:46] that we were addressing just appropriate housing housing that people feel that

[14:51] they don't that they're grown out of and rental housing and all everything. Um

[14:59] our vision and our values. Um we we do see ourselves

[15:06] as uh expanding and like expanding the community's access to safe, sustainable,

[15:13] and appropriate housing. And we wanted to make sure that we put inclusive in

[15:18] there because inclusive to me is um and I think that the group

[15:25] conscience at the time when we were choosing that word was to ensure that

[15:29] everybody We we did have a fair share of people

[15:33] have to leave the community because they weren't able to find appropriate

[15:36] housing. We want to make sure that we're hitting all those markers, that our

[15:40] seniors are housed safely housed in a house that they feel comfortable in and

[15:44] can afford and that our that everybody is able to to to

[15:50] feel secure and actually plan for their future in the community.

[15:57] Uh so um the Parkview Apartments So, this year was significant for the

[16:03] Parkview Apartments. Again, we've had another year of 35 units being rented.

[16:08] Uh we have like a 15-day turnover. We have quite the waiting list, but this

[16:14] year was a little bit different that all 10 of our subsidies

[16:20] were um were were used and that there was a major barrier with that. Um there

[16:28] was So last year uh we did pass the um the community housing policy at the HHC

[16:36] for the Parkview Apartments specifically, but it could also be um

[16:42] it could also be used scalable for any future developments we do with

[16:46] affordable housing with partners like ADSAB. Um this uh

[16:53] there was some barriers with like people there was

[16:58] uh like there's requirements that you need to report for to keep your subsidy

[17:02] and a lot of things like having your taxes done is one of them and that was a

[17:07] major barrier because um we don't have anybody that does taxes in the community

[17:13] like that advertises to do them. And if you go to H&R and you're behind from say

[17:19] COVID, that's $500. It's $100 per almost $100 per uh return. So, we were able to

[17:28] set ourselves up with uh this the Sudbury community um

[17:33] uh service center and they were we were we found out that we are in their

[17:40] service area. Everyone thought it's the same thing again.

[17:44] uh they thought that Al was following us, they thought that Hurst was

[17:48] following us, they thought Thunder Bay was following us. So, we just kind of

[17:51] fell through the cracks. [clears throat] So, this these guys will come to the

[17:56] community when um uh Service Canada comes to the community and if there's

[18:03] anything that you need help with, if there if you need help budgeting,

[18:07] knowing if you're u any kind of financial literacy things, they'll help

[18:10] you get your ID. They'll help seniors make that they're getting all of the

[18:15] money that they should be and yeah, they're great. So, this partnership was

[18:21] really excellent. I I think I've had about

[18:26] four or five like sub uh subsidies get approved as a direct result of their

[18:32] assistance because [clears throat] like honestly the HHC didn't want to be

[18:38] working outside their mandate and right doing people's taxes like you could but

[18:43] liability stuff like that. So, it was really great that we found these guys to

[18:47] help us to fulfill our mandates. It was just a partnership that was great. Uh,

[18:54] also adds that the um the way that things are approved now, the wait times,

[19:03] everything is so much faster since I wrote that policy. And we were able to

[19:07] get everyone on board with training to understand how the HHC works because we

[19:14] aren't all of the other properties that they um subsidize, they own. So, we're a

[19:19] little bit we're on the outside. We're we're an exception as usual. Everything

[19:23] with us is exceptional. Like it's just always

[19:25] » I love that. Everything with us is exceptional. That's a great phrase.

[19:30] » I'll take it. >> Always the exception. So, it did take a

[19:34] little bit of extra work and [clears throat] making sure that all of

[19:37] the um the right people were informed and just get once the one person said

[19:45] yes, this is it. It just made it so much easier. And that policy will be there

[19:52] and it isolates um insulates the HHC from things like staff turnover because

[19:59] that's what happened at ASAP. People retired and they took that knowledge

[20:03] with them and then there's people like who are you? What do you what was the

[20:08] agreement? Like they they don't fully understand it. So now we have that and

[20:12] it's like it it insulates us from that happening again. So all of our sub

[20:18] subsidies were allocated and that is also very important

[20:23] because um it shows the need is there and I

[20:28] don't think that we were really showing the need was there because we were able

[20:32] to give out 10 subsidies and only six of them were filled like you know that's

[20:36] that's an issue when you're going to ask for funding and things like that. So

[20:40] building those things up and ensuring that everything's firing and it it was

[20:46] it's helped a lot. Um the other big thing that I talked

[20:52] about earlier uh strategic plan. So you can click here and look at the strategic

[20:56] plan if you want to. I doubt anybody really [laughter] wants to. I don't want

[21:01] to.

[21:05] But uh the HAC we uh we completed our strategic plan in tandem with a

[21:12] governance review and it was significant for us because it it just building the

[21:18] capacity to know how to do things like that and work through those things. It

[21:22] was really um it and getting everybody on the same

[21:26] page. It was so valuable. Um, we were able to reach out with all of

[21:34] our stakeholder with many of our stakeholders and with the the township

[21:39] participated. uh the it public the public and

[21:43] community members participated and we were just um able to do

[21:51] something that I feel like we could really stand behind and know what it is

[21:55] and know understand what we're doing and why we're doing it and what we're trying

[21:59] to achieve. Um grant applications so funding ready

[22:05] readiness was also a big area of work this year. We submitted multiple funding

[22:10] applications to support preservation, innovation, planning and future

[22:14] development. One application was successful, one was unsuccessful, and

[22:19] three remain under review. Um the other thing that we did was the

[22:25] 50 Queen Street transfer, which was huge for us to get that done. It was just

[22:33] it had been something that we we worked towards and we wanted to make sure we

[22:37] did we were doing right. Just to have the transfer done that was just huge.

[22:41] Now we're the important part is there but the leg work and and creating

[22:45] something that is a defensible and b that we are able to duplicate it again

[22:52] like it's a we're creating that process we'd be able to do it again and all that

[22:57] leg work is done. Um so the Queen Street project it it's a big milestone for us.

[23:04] I feel really great about how it's going. We just finished our procurement

[23:08] process. Uh the one thing that we that council or

[23:13] that the board uh directed us to do was or directed me

[23:19] to do was to do it in such a way that uh we are able we're keeping it open for

[23:27] everybody to bid on the work like it is we're it we could have done it where it

[23:33] was just one guy. They're going to be the project manager and they're going to

[23:37] handle everything. Get all the contractors and just do it all at once,

[23:41] which would be worth it. And we were open to that if the price was like, you

[23:46] know, one guy wanted to bid on all of the projects because we we uh separated

[23:50] out in six, but we knew that there's um a cost, you're going to pay for that,

[23:57] and b they were going to have a hard time

[24:01] keeping it accessible to the guys that actually need the help with building

[24:05] their capacity. And that is a huge part of our mandate is building up the small

[24:11] smaller scale contractors to be able to take on larger projects and to take on

[24:16] projects that are um like government projects like from the municipality. So

[24:22] to build that at scale and work with them like and I I think we've been

[24:27] really successful with the scale of the the contractors that we have. Um, and I

[24:34] feel really good about where the project is already. We we we've updated the amp

[24:40] to 200 service. The hydro should be getting turned back on. The windows are

[24:45] in. The deck is built. There's things it's moving. Like things are going

[24:49] really well. Uh, and it's it's going to be a cute house. Like it's I love this

[24:54] house. like I want to like Rona can move out and then [laughter]

[25:00] » I'd be able to fit in that house.

[25:05] » I'm just kidding. Ron, [laughter]

[25:09] » so in conclusion, yeah, the year represented an important period of

[25:13] growth, stabilization, and future planning for the HHC.

[25:18] The only thing uh Mitch is gonna speak to the financial statement. I just

[25:23] wanted to Um,

[25:27] sorry. When I'm in presenter mode, I can't really. So, as an

[25:32] » as an attachment to this uh to the annual report, there is the budget. Um,

[25:39] we did budget for a little bit more of a a surplus

[25:45] this year. Well, we did budget for a surplus. We we look there's going to be

[25:50] a little bit higher of a surplus this year. and that's going to be transferred

[25:54] into a housing revitalization fund that will be created to for future

[26:00] initiatives in corn pain. So whether that's putting down what our share of

[26:05] the grant or whatever letting it grow interest whatever that board of mine

[26:11] decides to do but it's um it's going to the benefit of the community

[26:17] and yeah I'm going to I'm going to stop sharing and then

[26:23] or I think it's another item, right? >> Yeah, it's another item. Maybe we can

[26:27] stop here and if council or your board of directors has any um questions as the

[26:34] shareholder of what's gone on this year, I'll open the floor now.

[26:41] » I don't have any questions. I thought that was great.

[26:44] » That's good to hear. Yes. >> Yeah. I just I want to say I think

[26:49] Katherine underselled herself a bit. [laughter]

[26:52] um the the collaboration and the um contacts that she's made Ontario wide

[26:59] really all the way down into Ottawa and set up meetings for us so that we can

[27:03] meet people in person when we're out of town and um and she works diligently in

[27:08] the background has regular meetings with Ral Impact and still moving some

[27:13] applications along the um great um rehabilitation of the relationship with

[27:20] ADSAP that was, you know, so moving that

[27:23] forward and being able to get people that are having a difficult time when

[27:27] you're faced with, hey, I can't afford the rent, but then okay, we can move you

[27:32] through the process and we can get you there. So, when you're starting out

[27:35] with, you know, maybe three three years behind on taxes and you need a place to

[27:40] live and you can get through all of those years and then go through the

[27:43] subsidy process and get housed. That's a huge accomplishment. So, I want to say

[27:48] thank you, Katherine, because you do that from the heart. It like it's above

[27:51] and beyond. And I'm glad we have that contact. It might be good to um when

[27:57] Service Canada is in town that we highlight that those are some of the

[28:01] opportunities people have because uh there might be more people out there

[28:04] that don't even know about the service, right?

[28:06] » Yeah. >> So, yeah, I had no idea. And they are um

[28:10] similar to what um Alma uh the credit recovery places do where

[28:16] they help you and they'll help you with budgeting. They'll help you even claim

[28:20] bankruptcy if you need to. >> Right. And it's written into our rent

[28:24] collection policy that um if if there is if we're going to enter into a payment

[28:32] agreement for a rears or anything like that that they could work with them to

[28:37] come up with a budget. So like you're not just sending people with and going

[28:42] towards some arbitrary number that they can't afford. there's actual like, okay,

[28:48] we know what you can afford and what you can handle and making those

[28:52] uh special agreements as successful as they can be and having those extra

[28:56] services there if they need them. >> Yes, for sure. For sure. And I think

[29:01] there was also some contacts made at the municipal housing and m uh ministry of

[29:05] affairs. I cannot speak today. I don't know what

[29:08] I I need to go back and wake up, I guess. But anyway, those contacts were

[29:12] made with the ministry and I just uh I just wanted to highlight that because it

[29:16] doesn't get captured in the report and um and thank you Catherine.

[29:21] » You're welcome. Yes. >> Yeah. So, any further questions? Does

[29:24] council want a tour of the house when it's completed before it goes up for

[29:28] sale? >> Well, of course.

[29:30] » Okay. So, if we could have that invitation and we can make a day of it

[29:34] whenever that is. I've also been um I've been putting blog

[29:39] entries on the website and posting them on the Facebook page. I'm also going to

[29:44] be starting with videos. It's just boring with the procurement process like

[29:49] hey guys we're procuring like you know like now that things are actually

[29:53] changing like it it's it's exciting. So I I have been putting blog posts to talk

[29:59] about um uh like where we are in the process. the electrician actually

[30:05] because one thing that I found very helpful for for me as somebody who's

[30:10] going through I've never really done this before and like with a building

[30:15] permit. No, I'm just kidding. But I've never done it. [laughter]

[30:18] I'm just kidding. But like I've never brought a house back up to

[30:24] and the the man that I that we had his name's Koala T Koala T Y electrical and

[30:34] the way that he suggested that we have the ESA guy come in before we start

[30:39] anything and then have that checklist so we're not overpaying putting in too much

[30:45] guessing we're getting or updating something it's like no you need

[30:49] something else to save money. And it was like he wasn't like saying he didn't

[30:56] have expertise to know, but he wanted us to know to feel good about what he was

[31:01] advising. So you don't you're not wondering or getting oversold by a

[31:05] contractor or something. So he I'll be putting up a post in the next about that

[31:11] process. and he had he gave me a little write up of his his advice on like why

[31:18] you should use like like the ESA and what they do and how that process

[31:22] process works because it is kind of confusing at first but yeah if you're

[31:26] working with a professional for electrician [clears throat] like that

[31:30] like I thought that was so honest of him >> because he could have told me like hey

[31:34] we need to tear down [laughter]

[31:40] but a lot of people do get oversold on what they actually need to pass a

[31:45] um there is wiggle room if it's not a new build

[31:48] » right >> with the essay

[31:50] » and it gives you the confidence if you don't if you haven't done electricity in

[31:54] your house and you're upgrading and now you're talking to the people that are

[31:57] going to pass it and they're telling you exactly what you need it gives you the

[32:00] confidence to know okay I'm on the same page with my electrician now

[32:05] » and it's empowering too and then you know to that whoever you sell it to you

[32:09] you can sleep at night Mhm. >> Knowing that the house is safe, like you

[32:14] you'll feel better about that sale. >> Exactly.

[32:17] » And especially if you're living in it, you'll sleep really good at night.

[32:20] [clears throat] [laughter]

[32:22] » Okay. Is there any further comments or questions for Catherine?

[32:26] Okay. Thank you so much, Catherine. And I'm not sure. Do we have a resolution

[32:29] for that first part? >> Yes. Okay. If I can get a mover and a

[32:34] second for the presentation moved by councelor Peter Kism, second by

[32:38] councelor John Perov. It resolved that council sitting as the

[32:43] sole shareholder hereby accepts the 2025 annual report of the Hornpane Housing

[32:47] Corporation to be received as information. Those in favor and that is

[32:52] carried. And I guess I should just add uh we are still a shareholder

[32:58] within the hotel as well. Hotel Studio 6. That's part of our

[33:02] » Yes. >> Yeah. Okay.

[33:04] » Yes. I Yeah, I guess.

[33:08] » Oh, it could be in there. I might have just missed it.

[33:10] » No, I don't think I put it in there. >> Okay. Do we want to make an addition to

[33:14] that? And >> um I

[33:16] » or an appendix. >> Yeah, I'll add an appendix to the uh but

[33:20] just verbally the hotel is uh we've uh is doing well and is expected to do even

[33:27] better. >> That is good news. Yes. Yes. Okay.

[33:32] Great. >> Okay. And we're moving on to the

[33:35] financial statements. >> Perfect. I'll uh I'll pull up the

[33:39] financial statements on my screen. Um and let me know when uh you can see

[33:46] the statements.

[33:49] » We can see them. Are you able to make them a little bit bigger, Mitch?

[33:53] » Yep. >> Or presentation mode or something?

[33:58] » Uh

[34:03] all right. Is that any better? >> That is better. Yes.

[34:06] » All right. Perfect. Um well, I'll introduce myself again real quick. I was

[34:11] uh there back in July. Uh but Mayor Ford, I don't believe you were there for

[34:16] the township um township audit report, but uh my name is Mitch Marinovich. I'm

[34:22] the audit manager for township and the housing corporation. Um at this point,

[34:27] we've completed both audits. Township was completed in July, August, and the

[34:32] housing corporation back in around June. Uh we are here to present the financial

[34:36] statements. So what I plan to do is go over the statements, explain some of the

[34:40] variations in the accounts, how we're landing at different numbers, what uh

[34:44] some of the numbers make up, as well as um a little more understanding for the

[34:49] township as a sole shareholder. Uh have comfort over the financial statements

[34:53] and uh commend the job that Katherine's been doing for the housing corporation.

[34:59] So, uh, the first page on your audit financial statements is your auditor's

[35:04] report. Um, as you can see, so with the auditor's report, we do have a qualified

[35:10] opinion. Uh, a qualified opinion is a tier lower than your standard uh, clean

[35:16] opinion that gets issued. And what that qualification on is explained down in

[35:20] this paragraph here, your basis for qualified opinion. Uh I will add that

[35:24] the basis of qualified opinion has been the same uh qualification for the past

[35:29] two or three years now. Uh primarily the revenue from the laundry fees being all

[35:34] cash in general. As auditors we cannot verify that all the cash went in. It's

[35:39] it's no allegations against anybody at the housing corporation. But if we can't

[35:43] validate that 100% goes in, it is a a

[35:48] qualification. And the way we would solve that in the future is implementing

[35:53] uh stronger controls, having two people go and pull the amounts out, signing

[35:57] off, doing recounts, items like that. But I can work with Katherine just to

[36:02] increase those controls over the laundry fees so that it's easier to validate

[36:06] that 100% went in. Uh other qualification is related to what's

[36:12] called the asset retirement obligation and this came in in 2023.

[36:16] Uh and what it relates to is anytime that there's a legal obligation uh for

[36:21] removal or remediation uh a liability has to be set up on the

[36:26] financial statements. So for the housing corporation itself, the red vinyl seal

[36:33] uh flooring tile has suspected asestous in it. And that comes back from the

[36:38] building condition report, but it isn't confirmed uh yet at that point on if it

[36:43] is has in it and if there is uh an associated cost for removal. Um, in

[36:50] order to have a clean opinion, we need to know whether or not the the ceiling

[36:54] or the flooring tile does contain asbestous as well as an estimate on how

[36:58] much it would take to remove. So, those are the qualifications that kind of

[37:02] bring you down a step from a clean audit opinion as opposed to uh the qualified

[37:07] opinion that you have. I will add that these are very common uh qualifications

[37:12] that impact a lot of public sector uh clientele as well as not forprofits.

[37:17] even though the housing corporation isn't a nonprofit that it is a very

[37:21] common qualification. So, it's nothing that I would lose sleep over. Uh and

[37:25] it's really things that are essentially um not as much in management control

[37:31] unless an engineer is brought in to uh do an assessment for the housing

[37:37] corporation. The rest of the report uh outlines the

[37:41] different duties of the audits and the management. uh a lot of night nice late

[37:46] night reading on that front to get us down to the final report. But the first

[37:51] statement you'll see uh starting on uh page four I believe is your statement of

[37:57] financial position. Your statement of financial position is at December 31st

[38:02] your year end where all the balances sit uh for the housing corporation. So your

[38:09] cash balance has decreased and what that decrease is real is relating to uh is

[38:15] some capital expenses in the year as well as growing accounts receivable. Um

[38:20] when we go down to accounts receivable we do see an increase of about $25,000

[38:24] yearoveryear uh accounts receivable as explained in note three but primarily a

[38:29] h 100,000 of that is related to the PSB rebates. Um, and I will confirm that now

[38:36] that the township or the housing corporation has received its public

[38:39] sector body rebate uh as a municipal service corporation, these will be

[38:45] translating into cash uh in the next week, I would say. I

[38:50] checked this morning. Everything's been approved and it should be being uh

[38:54] flowed and offsetting with the source deductions payable on the um housing

[39:00] corporation side in their payroll account that's due and that goes back a

[39:03] number of years. Uh the remaining 30,000 that's primarily all um when I say

[39:09] 30,000 the 100,000's GST. the remaining 30,000. That's all tenant rent that's

[39:14] gone uh a number of years and it's related to a couple tenants that are

[39:18] late and have land uh landlord uh tribunal board uh orders to pay. There's

[39:26] no real growth in the tenant receivable year-over-year. So, that's more of a

[39:30] commending Catherine on vetting the tenants coming in. Um it's remained

[39:35] consistent year-over-year with the AR. It's not growing in terms of what the

[39:39] tenants owe. So, it is a a good sign that the tenants that are coming in are

[39:44] paying consistently year-over-year.

[39:48] Your portfolio investment, that's your investment in the hotel. Um, not a lot

[39:53] change is expected to change on that amount. That is the amount of common

[39:57] share that you subscribed to when the development was occurring.

[40:02] Accounts payable. Accounts payable. A little bit of growth on that. Primarily

[40:07] where that growth is coming from is a little bit of interest on the um payroll

[40:11] deductions that go back a number of years that they're going to be settled

[40:15] in the next week once we receive all those uh all the PSD rates come rebates

[40:20] coming forward and the remaining accounts payable. It's primarily just

[40:24] timing difference on when things get paid uh for your normal trade.

[40:30] deferred revenues goes down and that uh deferred revenue is your prepaid rent uh

[40:35] your last month's deposits as well as the ADSAB deferred contribution on the

[40:41] on the forgivable loan that goes back to about 2010 back when it was the economic

[40:45] development corporation. But every year that's going to decrease

[40:49] about $12,000 over the 20 year life of that loan.

[40:55] Long-term debt. So there's two debts. Last year's doors as well as the main

[40:58] mortgage decrease is just your normal principal payment uh on the debts

[41:05] and your capital assets. Capital assets, those are your brick and mortar assets.

[41:10] Those are uh a lot of your Park View apartments as well as any improvements

[41:13] that went through there. Bit of a decrease in the year primarily from

[41:18] amortization. the additions that happened in the year

[41:21] to the tangible capital assets was a new boiler was put in uh for the housing

[41:27] corporation. And that wraps up your Oh, I went down a

[41:31] couple too I went too many pages down. But that wraps up the balance sheet.

[41:36] Your next statement is your statement of operations and your accumulated surplus.

[41:40] So this is your revenues and expenditures, your surplus in the year,

[41:44] uh all your ins and outs over the 12-month period. So revenue growth um in

[41:49] terms of rent you went up about 6,000 beat budget by about 14,000. So again

[41:55] good tenants are coming in everybody's paying their bills and you are bringing

[41:59] in higher market rent uh as opposed to prior year.

[42:03] As mentioned every year you're going to have this District Services

[42:06] Administration Board amount as that forgivable loan uh keeps on creeping

[42:11] down. every year bring 12,500 into uh revenue. Laundry is about $7,000

[42:17] [clears throat] uh bringing you a total revenue of

[42:20] 433,000 down from last year but primarily only

[42:25] because that there was the grant that came in last year towards the door

[42:28] project

[42:32] or sorry that was I think building services.

[42:35] » Yeah the uh >> yeah that was uh citywide correct?

[42:39] » Yeah asset management. Okay. Uh expenditures significantly down from

[42:45] last year and also down from budget. So it's uh good on management just making

[42:51] sure that finding value, finding ways to cut costs to continue to uh generate a

[42:57] surplus now for the housing corporation. But your key decreases uh are in your

[43:02] professional fees. And last year about $34,000 in professional fees uh down to

[43:08] about 11,000 this year. And that's all from the asset management program going

[43:12] in as well as your building condition uh your building condition report that was

[43:17] completed by Accent Building Services last year. So that's primarily where the

[43:22] decrease is. Uh revenue on rental income's going up. Operating expenses

[43:27] are going down bringing you to a total surplus about $19,62

[43:31] for the year. uh continuing to show positive surpluses over the two years

[43:36] and indicating that the housing corporation is trending in the right

[43:41] direction uh compared to where it was about two two

[43:45] three years ago. So again it is good to see uh on that front

[43:53] immittent change in net financial assets net debt this essentially reconciles

[43:57] back to how we get from our surplus to what our net financial assets are.

[44:01] Financial assets are your assets that are your rights to cash. So an accounts

[44:06] receivable, it's a right to cash as well as accounts payable, a right to pay

[44:10] cash. The number we land at is about uh 232,000. So between the amount of money

[44:16] that eventually you're going to owe compared to what you have now, we are

[44:19] showing improvement year-over-year. Uh a big piece of why the net financial

[44:24] liabilities and the negative is because you do have the mortgage and this is

[44:26] completely normal to see. And the last statement will be your cash

[44:33] flow statement. Uh cash flows just break out everywhere

[44:37] from our surplus to how we land at our cash balance uh about 19 or $17,000.

[44:44] Uh as you can see the capital additions 133,300.

[44:49] That's your purchase of your boiler in the year. You made 23,000 in long-term

[44:53] debt. Uh accounts dable increased. accounts payable has decreased and

[45:00] uh your deferred revenue continues to uh decrease year-over-year. So that's how

[45:07] we land at our $17,000. And after that, we have our notes, the

[45:12] financial statements, and these just provide some clarity. Uh the first ones

[45:16] are some of your accounting policies just explain how things are accounted

[45:20] for and then some of the notes uh will break up some of the numbers just for a

[45:26] little more clarity on what's in the balance. So, as you can see, tenant rent

[45:30] receivable is very minor increase year-over-year, but the HST recoverable

[45:35] uh in your accounts receivable is uh primarily why you're seeing that shift

[45:39] from 105,000 to 130,000 and that should all be collected in the next uh next

[45:44] couple weeks. Um, we do have an allowance over the

[45:50] current um, tenant rent receivables and that's something just worth monitoring

[45:55] year-over-year as we see some of those older accounts receivables that are

[45:59] before the landlord uh, tenant board. If there's no activity, we do have to take

[46:04] a look and see, make an assessment and how much do we think is going to be

[46:07] collectible. Is this something that eventually should get written off? Every

[46:11] year we're going to assess it and determine whether or not we should uh

[46:14] continue to decrease the reasonable amount that we think we should collect

[46:19] on those amounts.

[46:23] Uh when we're looking at our accounts payable, this government remittanc is

[46:26] payable piece that we're talking about that goes back to um a number of years

[46:31] ago where source deductions were not uh being paid. So as those HST rebates come

[46:37] in, they're going to offset the government remittances payable. So that

[46:41] should clean everything up uh shortly. And trade the trade c trade amounts

[46:46] those are just primarily timing differences on when things get paid

[46:48] year-over-year.

[46:52] And the last note um I'll just give a quick uh discussion on is just the

[46:57] deferred revenue. So rent deposits remain relatively consistent at 27,000

[47:02] compared to 23,000 your prepaid rent. So that's if uh rent came in earlier than

[47:08] normal uh when they were due that that's what gets reported there. And of course

[47:12] the DAB deferred contribution has about 5 years left on that on that forgivable

[47:17] loan. Uh should be ending around 2030.

[47:23] And I think that's the majority of the financial statements. Your long-term

[47:28] debt is uh consistent just normal payown. No new debt was taken on by the

[47:32] housing corporation in the year. And over the next five years, your principal

[47:36] repayments are going to uh decrease as you pay off the first door project loan

[47:41] from last year. Housing corporation still has a general

[47:46] deficit, but that's been getting chipped away year-over-year just from uh ongoing

[47:50] surpluses. Um that's primarily the the financial

[47:56] statements. Uh the rest of the notes I'm not going to go into too significantly.

[48:00] their more standard uh verbiage. But what I will do is I'll open the floor to

[48:05] any questions from council and or Katherine

[48:11] » just to clarify. It wasn't [clears throat] a new boiler. It was a

[48:14] new hot water tank. >> Oh, sorry. You're breaking up. I didn't

[48:17] hear that too. Well, >> um it wasn't a new boiler. It was a new

[48:21] hot water tank. >> Hot water tank. Sorry. Yeah.

[48:24] » Boiler. It would be a lot. >> But that was a good price.

[48:28] » Yeah. No apologies. Uh I get them mixed up. It was a new hot water tank. That's

[48:33] correct. >> And another thing I just wanted to

[48:36] highlight is that uh prior to um the HD like prior

[48:45] when the HHC took over for the HDC, we adopted some new policies and some of

[48:51] those one of those was to collect rent deposit or last month's rent at the

[48:56] beginning of a teny. So if it seems low like 35 units, why is there only this

[49:01] much in rent dep like we do collect rent deposits? There's just some uh older

[49:06] tenants that didn't have to. But moving forward, the due policy, every tenant

[49:12] has to give last month's rent deposit. >> Okay.

[49:18] » That's pretty standard, I think. >> Yeah.

[49:20] » Well, the only thing it's kind of hard to deal with [clears throat]

[49:25] like because you you

[49:29] they they could ask for interest on it and stuff and you have to show the

[49:32] interest. It's it just I understand why the HDC opted not to

[49:36] » but you really need to to protect yourself as a landlord.

[49:42] » So, any questions on the financial statements?

[49:47] I just have one that's more related to what I'm seeing in the agenda package

[49:52] and what was shown online. So, I'm just going back to page um what page am I on

[50:00] here five of the actual it's 24 of our

[50:05] package for those in the package and I noticed on your presentation it

[50:11] wasn't municipal contributions on the list it was laundry

[50:17] revenues I was trying to check to make sure all the numbers were correct

[50:22] » and I just want to make I'm thinking we might received an older copy.

[50:27] » Oh, I got this right from the um

[50:33] the Stephanie like our our >> Oh, is that is that is that right from

[50:37] the portal? >> Yeah.

[50:38] » Okay. Uh that should that should be the laundry income. Um I'll I'll double

[50:42] [clears throat] check and if not, we'll send you a different copy. That should

[50:45] be the uh the laundry income on that. There were are no municipal

[50:49] contributions uh from the township. >> Yes, that's what I just wanted to make

[50:53] that clarity. Yeah. >> And then we can update when we get that

[50:56] new one, we can update our agenda package to ensure that the right one is

[51:00] there. And from my like the as you were doing your presentation, I was watching

[51:05] the bigger amounts and all of that added up. Like that was all the same.

[51:09] » So, >> yeah.

[51:11] » And your copy looked a lot better displayed actually than ours that's in

[51:14] the agenda package. >> Yep. I think probably just on the

[51:18] transfer over uh into into that when formatting didn't come through as much,

[51:23] but I I can uh update the one on the portal just to make sure it's

[51:26] consistent. The the one I was showing should have been the final one, but uh

[51:31] » it could have been something that the team put up an old an older copy, but

[51:34] I'll uh I'll look into it and send that >> one.

[51:37] » I could have easily grabbed the wrong one out of the files list, too. Like uh

[51:42] it could have been my bad, but I will update this before it's published on the

[51:45] website. Okay. Yeah, that's all I just want to make sure we're we're And why

[51:51] that's so important just for the board is that we are self- sustaining and it

[51:55] opens us up to uh further funding opportunities and gives the MSC more

[52:01] freedom and leverage if they are completely self- sustaining and not

[52:05] receiving municipal contributions. So, there is a I'm not trying to be

[52:09] nitpicky, but I >> No, I [laughter] 100% agree.

[52:13] It's a point of pride for us that we don't get municipal.

[52:17] » Yes. Yes. We're making this work without rateayer dollars.

[52:22] » So, any further questions at this time? >> I don't.

[52:27] » Okay. There being none, there is a a motion on the floor to um accept the

[52:33] financial uh statements as presented as received for information. If I can get a

[52:37] mover and a seconder, please. Moved by councelor Peter Kismaker, second by

[52:41] councelor John Peroff. Be it resolved that council sitting as sole shareholder

[52:45] hereby accepts the 2025 financial statements of the Hornpane Housing

[52:49] Corporation to be received as information. Those in favor

[52:54] and that is carried. >> Okay. Well, thank you so much, Mitch.

[52:59] You're welcome to continue on and stay in our meeting, but if

[53:02] » Yeah, I don't feel obligated. [laughter] >> No, I I I appreciate the invite. I got

[53:08] to go pack. We have an office wedding tomorrow. one of the other managers and

[53:12] I have to get uh myself to well it's Saturday but we're we're all heading out

[53:16] tomorrow morning to Kani Mountain Lodge just uh

[53:20] » outside of Sudbury for this wedding. So I still got to get packed and uh

[53:24] » ready to go for that. But uh appreciate the invite and it was good seeing

[53:28] everybody again and I think uh we'll connect again uh in the near future for

[53:33] our intermodic coming up uh probably around November.

[53:36] » But I'll touch base with Cindy and Manuela.

[53:39] » Okay. will travel safe and have a fantastic time. That sounds like

[53:43] » a great celebration. >> Yeah. Thank you very much.

[53:47] » Thanks. >> Have a good night everybody.

[53:50] » Good night. >> Okay. So, moving on to 6.7 and I'll hand

[53:56] it off to Katherine about a housing needs and demand study proposal.

[54:00] » Okay. Uh give me one second here.

[54:44] Hey, can everybody see it?

[54:48] Okay. So, uh, in the spirit of building capacity and, uh, local capacity, I

[54:56] thought that I would just bring this up to council. I'm not asking for a

[55:00] decision on it right away, but I uh the staff and the board have been working uh

[55:08] on a solution because uh the township's housing needs and demand study. They

[55:14] normally you best practice to have them done every five years and we've been

[55:20] looking at a way that we could do this have it done without taking up the

[55:25] staff's resources. uh here at the township and without

[55:30] paying a lot of money. So the the HHC would like to present the opportunity

[55:36] for us to possibly uh to complete it for the township.

[55:44] So,

[55:47] uh, I did send you I gave you guys a paper package of what I'm presenting

[55:51] right now and I can send the digital one as, uh, after the meeting if anybody

[55:56] would like it. So, housing needs a demand study. Um, it provides current

[56:03] locally relevant evidence to guide future housing development. Um, it makes

[56:09] sure that you are um responding to the your you got your

[56:16] priorities straight. You're responding to the most needed things and your

[56:20] resources are going to the right place when it comes to housing. Um so

[56:26] the idea is that we would build on existing local research and municipal

[56:31] planning documents to help inform this and as well as the the lo the latest um

[56:41] uh census was just completed. It's the information from it comes out rolls out

[56:48] all of it won't be fully out I think until 2027

[56:53] but um so we wanted to be a if we were able to

[56:58] do it we would be able to build the local capacity by getting the HHC do to

[57:03] do it and if we were able to find a good method of doing it and a

[57:08] defensible methodology of doing it that would be a way that we would uh could

[57:14] produce revenue for other communities moving forward.

[57:20] So, uh we're best positioned to lead this work because we are the ones that

[57:26] are dealing with this data. We know uh what we're up against and what what we

[57:32] need and we just finished doing the strategic plan. The economic development

[57:36] office uh was has a lot of studies that are have

[57:43] been already done uh that would be able to feed into this work. Uh the 2019

[57:50] study isn't so outdated that it wouldn't be useful. Um also u we were mandated to

[57:59] deal with housing for the township. So it just makes sense that it comes to our

[58:03] office.

[58:07] So the way that uh the proposed scope that I was thinking or that we are

[58:13] thinking of how we would be able to complete it is in three main work

[58:17] streams. The first being research and data analysis by reviewing everything we

[58:22] have taking stock of all of the existing plans uh the studies that were completed

[58:28] the market development uh stuff the uh the census data just and finding what's

[58:36] missing um and then digging in from there but having a good idea of where we

[58:43] are at and where uh what we the resources that we have to start with. Uh

[58:50] that's going to be the starting point. From there, uh we could do a community

[58:55] and market assessment, engage stakeholders and community members to

[58:59] validate findings, identify emerging pressures, and assess pri priority

[59:03] needs. That's uh reaching out to the community.

[59:07] Um looking at stats, finding housing data, uh looking at our own data, real

[59:15] estate, how things are selling, impact data,

[59:19] identifying the barriers and like just taking a good honest look at everything.

[59:26] Uh the third thing would be uh actual the

[59:31] finding the recommendations uh what what and then that would be the

[59:37] prioritization figuring out what's needed the most and

[59:41] what we could do to solve the issue that or the barriers to remove the barriers.

[59:48] Uh so the other piece of this is that a lot of

[59:54] times these studies get done and they're done because they're requirements of

[59:58] grants. Like if you have a grant, if you're putting in a grant, if you have a

[1:00:02] housing visa demand study and it's defensible, oh, you have that, you did

[1:00:07] that. The data is there. I I kind of the way that I see this moving forward is

[1:00:13] I'd like to see it done in a way that we're actually using the data and it

[1:00:17] turns into a living document almost like a strategic plan so that in five years

[1:00:23] we're not starting over again like in five years you would do a deep dive

[1:00:30] reaching out to stakeholders every five years but every year we can look at uh

[1:00:37] what growth we've had what has changed because if you look at 2019 by 2023 it

[1:00:43] was vast like 2019 and then co and then everything just changed from

[1:00:49] there. So these they become very uh like a static report where they're not being

[1:00:56] used and they're not very useful uh from this on the staff level, you know, and

[1:01:02] on a decision making level. Uh in order to keep it up to date, we could look at

[1:01:07] it every year when we look at our strategic plan and update it. Uh when

[1:01:12] we're designing it, we could um figure out what indicators we're going to use

[1:01:18] to measure progress throughout uh like

[1:01:24] every year we're going to look at rentals. Are there any more rentals

[1:01:27] available? Are there any more? Like those are the things that we're going to

[1:01:30] find to see how we're being successful. And that's what we would look at every

[1:01:34] year to keep this a living document that's always up to date and not

[1:01:39] something that's just sitting on the shelf or on someone's hard drive that we

[1:01:44] sometimes talk about but don't really understand fully. Um

[1:01:51] so the proposed timeline that I would like to do this is to have it done by

[1:01:57] June 2027. uh the

[1:02:02] I think and this will largely depend just to be

[1:02:07] uh completely transparent um we we will be hiring somebody to help with this and

[1:02:14] it's going to depend on that process of what it can start like when we hire

[1:02:19] somebody and when they're trained all of that stuff like moving forward I I gave

[1:02:26] phase one a little bit a good amount of time, but I I think

[1:02:31] that we would be able to meet that June 2027 deadline.

[1:02:37] The only thing is that the uh the census data, the way that it

[1:02:43] comes out, we're just going to go with the most up-to-date information we have

[1:02:48] because there was a 2023 2020 I think one that was

[1:02:54] a partial update. They didn't do a full census, but it's newer than the 2019.

[1:03:01] As the uh when we do the the year update, then the year after, we'll be

[1:03:06] able to incorporate the census data. So, it'll always be up to date with what we

[1:03:11] have. Okay. So the total investment for from

[1:03:17] the council that the HHC is asking for is $10,000 for this initial investment

[1:03:25] and $3,000 a year to keep it up to date and that is for uh the dedicated staff

[1:03:32] support the independent review. Uh I know that there's a concern that you

[1:03:38] know we aren't outside enough to be unbiased

[1:03:43] but with this type of study it's the methodology that needs to be defensible.

[1:03:48] So we I did have budgeted it in here to have u a review of the entire uh project

[1:03:58] after to validate all of our findings so that we we'd be able to say defend to

[1:04:05] defend the study after and say yes this is right this is good like this is good

[1:04:09] information they followed this this and this and yeah so it would be a fully

[1:04:16] defensible study Um and the research and engagement uh

[1:04:20] portion that's all the stakeholder stuff uh the different engagement that we can

[1:04:27] move forward to to bring the study and make it as wholesome as the last one

[1:04:32] because the last one we had a really amazing turnout for. I think there was

[1:04:37] like the researchers they spoke about how engaged the community was. So like

[1:04:42] I'm hoping that we can get just as much feedback as we did that time.

[1:04:48] Um yeah and then from there considerations

[1:04:54] there may be considerations concerning whether the uh if this needs to um like

[1:05:01] the the HHC we are an MSC we're municipally owned corporation and we

[1:05:06] were [laughter] um tasked with with housing. It's part

[1:05:11] of our mandate and it's part of both of our strategic plans to advance housing.

[1:05:16] Um so uh assigning the housing needs and

[1:05:20] demand study would help build permanent local capacity

[1:05:25] rather than relying on an uh an external consultant.

[1:05:31] to um like the council would be able to aside

[1:05:37] this to us without it any questions being brought up

[1:05:43] surrounding like bonusing or anything like that like we would just because we

[1:05:50] are tasked with housing and that is part of our mandate

[1:05:54] » and there that's it thanks for listening I'm sorry it's like convoluted but a

[1:06:00] little But >> no, thank you, Catherine. Do we have any

[1:06:04] questions for Catherine? Go ahead. >> Um, I have more comments than maybe

[1:06:08] recommendations. Um, so because sorry, council is in restricted acts period and

[1:06:14] this is not included in this year's budget, we can't um this evening say yes

[1:06:19] to the expenditure of $10,000. It was in the budget. I could do it, but it's not.

[1:06:25] So my recommend I I love the idea. I think it's great. I agree that it is

[1:06:29] part of both mandates. I also agree [clears throat] that um because you are

[1:06:34] our MSC and that expertise is housed internally, we don't have to go

[1:06:37] externally. We can do it internally. So my recommendation is to change the

[1:06:42] timelines on page five um from October December to possibly

[1:06:49] November December when you have a new council where they can amend the budget.

[1:06:54] » Okay. >> So um that that would be the first

[1:06:57] recommendation. The [clears throat] second would be it would be a small

[1:07:01] impact to the nove to the 2026 budget. So I think you would do very little work

[1:07:06] in 2026. So I would say an initial small payment to the HHC in 2026 with the

[1:07:12] majority in the 2027 budget for both the HHC and the township. So if it was

[1:07:17] 10,000 maybe like 2500 in 2026 and 7500 in 2027

[1:07:22] » on both those to make it more manageable for the budgets and to have the least

[1:07:26] amount of impact but to move the project forward

[1:07:29] » immediately and then let me just go through all the um

[1:07:35] and then um that also gives me the opportunity when

[1:07:40] the new council comes in to ensure that it aligns with their priorities

[1:07:45] which I it should >> Yeah.

[1:07:48] » Yeah. >> My uh the way the reason why I'm

[1:07:51] bringing this to you now is because I do want to start the hiring

[1:07:56] process. So the thing is is that uh I want to be able to answer the questions

[1:08:00] like what are you hired to do? Well that most of their job is going to be this

[1:08:06] helping you not doing this but helping you with this assisting with

[1:08:10] administrative duties with this. So then I also had one more recommendation on

[1:08:15] page six. You have the annual um annual charge of 3,000 for an update. That's

[1:08:22] reasonable, but I would recommend doing that for years one to four, but having a

[1:08:27] more um wholesome refresh in year five with a larger dollar ticket because

[1:08:34] Yeah. So years one to four with the 3000 for a quick refresh and then in year

[1:08:39] five a revamp of the whole um report again.

[1:08:42] » Yeah, that's what like is every five years needs to be done. So that's what I

[1:08:48] » just add that to that timeline there. >> Yeah.

[1:08:51] » Y sorry those are my comments. >> Okay.

[1:08:54] » Okay. >> Uh any other questions from the floor? I

[1:08:57] kind of just have one comment or >> clarification I should say for for those

[1:09:02] that are watching us. Your the investment of 10,000

[1:09:08] right is to help further your development but it aligns perfectly with

[1:09:16] the municipal uh strategic plan, right? >> So we benefit from carrying on our

[1:09:24] strategic plan, right? >> Yeah.

[1:09:25] » Okay. because it was >> oh this is a huge cost savings because

[1:09:30] we paid 25,000 for the first needs and demand study.

[1:09:33] » Yeah. >> And by hiring the HHC to do our next one

[1:09:39] for 10,000 build that capacity >> I yeah it's a win-win for the knowledge

[1:09:46] base in our community and it's and it's hiring. It's not like we're

[1:09:51] » it's not a subsidy to the HHC. >> Yeah. And The other just to add to that

[1:09:57] it's also showing that uh this is going to be done on a continuous basis so it's

[1:10:03] not going to be forgotten about that's the part I really like living

[1:10:07] » because [clears throat] >> yes because we already have a standing

[1:10:10] resolution at council table from when our five years came up so that would

[1:10:15] have been I think it was in 2024 in the fall that we agreed that we wanted to

[1:10:20] update the needs and demand study so >> this also increases of the HHC's capac

[1:10:25] capacity to remain self- sustaining because once they've gone through it

[1:10:28] with us and they've got that one, they can reach out to other communities

[1:10:32] around us. Um, and because they are northern and understand the north and

[1:10:36] the demands here are so much different than what a consultant from southern

[1:10:40] Ontario sees. Um, it would be like a homegrown plan for the whole region and

[1:10:46] it would create an opportunity for them to generate a new revenue stream from

[1:10:49] those communities that are around us. And it's not going to be a copy and

[1:10:53] paste plan from like, you know, a southern Ontario suburb

[1:10:58] » perspective. >> Yeah. Like it we we do have a lot of

[1:11:02] different needs that >> u the other thing that

[1:11:07] » I just wanted to highlight was that like you said like it does align with both of

[1:11:11] our strategic plans, but we wanted to be sure that you know how we don't want to

[1:11:16] have a line item that we got a municipal transfer,

[1:11:20] » right? We want to show that it's reciprocity and that we're that there's

[1:11:24] a we're supporting each other.

[1:11:27] » No, you should be billing us and we should be paying it like any other.

[1:11:30] » It's not like a a transfer that [clears throat] looks like we're we're

[1:11:34] not pulling our weight in the community or earning that money

[1:11:37] » or that it's avail that that we're doing it like that we

[1:11:43] earn it. >> Yeah. I I really I like the proposal,

[1:11:48] Catherine. I love the idea that you want to update it annually. Yeah.

[1:11:52] » Because I agree that um even from 2019 to 2026 right now, how many new

[1:11:57] apartments have been built? We know we have growth and if you don't measure it,

[1:12:02] you can't you can't show it to your lenders, to your funders. And you and

[1:12:06] it's so much we were just at AMO talking about um the successes of porn pain

[1:12:12] through all of these challenges, especially coming out of the co area.

[1:12:16] But if you don't have the data, if you don't have the numbers to say like look

[1:12:19] at this is what has actually happened and um more recently in a discussion was

[1:12:25] about if you look at all municipalities a size of a thousand you can actually

[1:12:31] start seeing that man we we're doing good like we're trying to get above the

[1:12:36] hump in a very challenging situation right because a lot of municipalities

[1:12:42] are in this place where they don't have a a strong economic base and they're

[1:12:47] almost like bedroom communities >> and and but that base is growing. So,

[1:12:52] it's I I think it would be so just key to when we're meeting with people to get

[1:12:57] more funding that we have the data to say, no, this is how many new uh places,

[1:13:02] new units of residents that we've been able to add,

[1:13:06] » how many people are looking, how like who's contacting real estate agents,

[1:13:11] » who's had to build somewhere else. all of that information is so important like

[1:13:18] and I think that yeah I think that's going to be a huge u

[1:13:24] like it sounds like you know like the strategic planning the the governance

[1:13:30] review it sounds like a lot of paperwork and stuff like that but it's honestly

[1:13:34] what you need to get >> decisions made it's not as easy as just

[1:13:39] you know finding somebody that can do it like you know

[1:13:42] » and you need it for big applications. We needed it for the enabling housing, I

[1:13:47] believe, and uh what was the accelerator >> and it puts ahead. It does if you have

[1:13:51] that demonstrated feed and if you have those because they when funders get are

[1:13:57] giving you money, they want to show >> what you were able to do with it. So, if

[1:14:02] you don't have a starting point, they're not going to be able to say like look at

[1:14:06] how far look at everything we did. we they were able to measure this like I

[1:14:11] give them this much they got this far. >> They want to be able to measure their

[1:14:16] successes >> well too. So we need to be speaking

[1:14:18] their language and doing what they need >> to say that they're successful as well

[1:14:24] and that they're making good investments.

[1:14:27] » Yeah. Good. Good. Okay. So we're going to move forward

[1:14:31] then with that new proposed timeline. I just want to thank ma for those

[1:14:35] recommendations and then um yeah and we know at council

[1:14:41] tables already discussed this previously about the housing needs and it was

[1:14:45] passed unanimously. I'm going to say it was the fall of 2024. Yeah,

[1:14:49] » I I can't really remember but it's in our resolutions already when it was

[1:14:53] coming due >> and this could easily be put in 2027's

[1:14:57] budget. I'm almost just looking for a memorandum of understanding that this is

[1:15:01] something that we will be able that we will move forward with.

[1:15:06] » Oh yeah, you can talk to Manuel about that. That would fall under her

[1:15:10] delegation of authority, her regular one, not even the council restricted

[1:15:13] acts because it's >> you can you're able to do that.

[1:15:18] » It'll help with our hiring what just so I'd be able to tell somebody this is

[1:15:22] what we're doing. because I don't want it I didn't want to be advertising hey

[1:15:26] I'm looking for this for this and you guys are like we didn't even hire you

[1:15:31] for that [laughter]

[1:15:34] » yeah you can have that discussion with Manuela and she'll lead you in how to

[1:15:37] get it done so you can hire the person ahead of time and

[1:15:40] » okay excellent >> yeah and if I can uh get a mover in a

[1:15:44] second to um receive the housing uh means and demand study proposal moved by

[1:15:50] councelor Peter Kism second by councelor Belinda Kissmaker. Be it resolved that

[1:15:55] resolved that council hereby receives the housing needs and advance study

[1:15:58] proposal as presented. We have further resolved that consideration of the

[1:16:02] proposal be deferred to a future meeting of council. Do we need to have that

[1:16:07] deferral on there? If she'll talk us through it or

[1:16:12] » Yes, because I think once um we have a new council, we'll need to do an

[1:16:16] amendment to the budget. Correct. >> 2027.

[1:16:19] » Are you going to put it all in 2027? >> Yeah. then we don't need the referral.

[1:16:24] » Okay. So, we'll [clears throat] just delete that uh just be it resolved to be

[1:16:28] » uh receive as presented. >> Yeah.

[1:16:30] » And then Yeah. >> Okay.

[1:16:33] » And all in favor >> and that is carried.

[1:16:37] Okay. And then we just have 6.8 is general um questions or comments from

[1:16:43] council.

[1:16:48] » I have none. >> You have none. Okay.

[1:16:49] » Yeah, I'm good. up a lot of time. Sorry guys.

[1:16:56] » I just have one question that um the the board is revolving easily. You don't

[1:17:03] have any vacancies besides the council ones for this coming year.

[1:17:08] » I I believe I do have I do have one coming up. There will be

[1:17:14] one posting >> one posting for external. I I'm not sure

[1:17:18] of the years though, like if it's a one-year position. I have it written

[1:17:23] somewhere. >> Okay. Okay. Just I just bring that up

[1:17:26] for the shareholders is that we do do staggered terms at the HHC board of

[1:17:31] directors so that there's always somebody on the board that knows and

[1:17:34] this year she could possibly get two brand new directors from council table,

[1:17:39] right? So, um I I think it's a good system the way it

[1:17:44] works. So yeah, I could have completely

[1:17:49] a completely new >> council or two new council

[1:17:54] representatives completely. Yeah, >> I know for sure one. But yeah. Okay,

[1:18:00] » it'll be fun. Yes. Yes. >> I'm excited.

[1:18:03] » Yeah. Okay. And if there's no further com uh

[1:18:08] comments or questions. Okay, then we'll adjourn this meeting.

[1:18:12] If I can get a mover and a seconder. Moved by councelor

[1:18:16] uh John Perov, second by councelor Peter Kissmaker. Be it resolved that the

[1:18:20] annual general meeting of the horn pain housing corporation is adjourned at 7:19

[1:18:25] p.m. Those in favor that is carried. And thank you so much, Catherine.

[1:18:32] » Thank you. >> And we will return to regular council.

[1:18:35] If I can get a mover in a second, please. Moved by councelor Glenda

[1:18:37] Kissmaker. Second by councelor John Perov. Be it resolved that council does

[1:18:41] hereby return to the regular council at 7:19 p.m. Those in favor and that is

[1:18:47] carried. Okay.

[1:18:51] And you're welcome to stay, Catherine, for the rest of our meeting. And you're

[1:18:54] welcome to sit right where you are. Okay. And if at any time you want to

[1:18:58] leave, do not feel >> obligated or anything. Just it's up to

[1:19:02] you. >> Okay.

[1:19:03] » Okay. Uh adoption of minutes 7.1. We have uh the adoption of the regular

[1:19:09] meeting of council of August 5th. If I can get a mover and a second please.

[1:19:12] Moved by councelor John Peroff. Second by councelor Peter Kissmaker. Be it

[1:19:16] resolved that the council of corporation of the township of corn does hereby

[1:19:19] adopt the following minutes as distributed the regular meeting of

[1:19:23] council held on Wednesday August the 5th 2026.

[1:19:27] Any comment or correction to those minutes? Okay. I'm not seeing any. Those

[1:19:32] in favor and that is carried. And we have the departmental reports. If

[1:19:37] I can get a mover and a secondary to open the floor, please. Moved by

[1:19:40] councelor John Perov, second by councelor Belinda Kmaker. Be it resolved

[1:19:44] that council does hereby acknowledge receipt of the departmental reports

[1:19:47] provided at the regular meeting of council held on September 10th, 2026.

[1:19:51] And we're starting off with the CEO's report. Manuela, would you like to add

[1:19:55] anything to your report? >> Um, no. I have nothing to add. I think I

[1:19:59] probably have a couple things I'd like to

[1:20:03] um maybe point out. Okay. Well, I included a schedule for

[1:20:08] the WSIB excellence program. It'll run into next year. Um, records management.

[1:20:13] We did quite a bit this summer with the summer student. So, we did a lot of

[1:20:16] shredding. Um, we now have a records of destruction. Um, a record of destruction

[1:20:22] which hasn't has been created, which we didn't have in the past. Um, and

[1:20:26] everything [clears throat] that got destroyed, it got incorporated into that

[1:20:29] record. um a lot of the historic data that's been sitting in that winward

[1:20:34] drive is now moving into the Tom Rims classification

[1:20:38] um system and we're continuing to work with Nenina to go forward. Um under

[1:20:42] capital the fitness and uh fitness center and library we're looking to um

[1:20:47] have a groundbreaking I think at the end of September and we should start um the

[1:20:52] construction in October. the town hall rena. Um there's a report later. It was

[1:20:57] we had a successful bidder and that will start later this year. The emergency

[1:21:03] control center. So the emergency funding that we received um an electronic sign

[1:21:09] has been ordered. It will go at in the public works yard. It's 3 feet tall by

[1:21:14] 12 ft wide. So, and it'll be up above the fence, like positioned up above the

[1:21:18] fence so that it's visible from um people entering either side of the

[1:21:23] highway and also to the community. We purchased five generators. They've been

[1:21:28] assembled and they're ready to use. Um CMC training is scheduled for Cindy and

[1:21:33] for Dwayne in September and October. And the cleanup of the boardroom where the

[1:21:38] control center will be is ongoing. Um firefall renovations. Sorry, I had a

[1:21:42] typo. says to begin in September. That RFP is to go out in September. Um

[1:21:47] surplus properties. So the 10 properties um that were sold

[1:21:53] a couple years ago and were never developed, we now have ownership again.

[1:21:57] So those properties are 18 Willow, 171 19, 21, and 23 Cedar, 52 4th, 23 Murphy,

[1:22:05] 85 161, and 2113rd. Um and they are on our website. Two residential properties

[1:22:12] have been sold being 18 spruce street and 824.

[1:22:16] Um and AMO conference we had our

[1:22:21] delegations just quickly um there minister of finance we weren't able to

[1:22:26] get a delegation and I think ministry minister of infrastructure and we have

[1:22:32] one next week a delegation with them. Um, and I think other than if anybody

[1:22:37] has questions, that's really all I I wanted to point out.

[1:22:42] » Okay, I open up the floor for questions from council.

[1:22:48] » Question. The U fitness center and library.

[1:22:52] » Yep. >> It's going to the RFP. It's going to

[1:22:55] start at the end of September. >> End of September. Beginning of October.

[1:22:58] » October. When uh how long will it take to complete that? Well, the goal is

[1:23:03] April 2027. I think it'll probably be closer to May or June. I think it would

[1:23:08] be I think Cindy's working on an extension um with the funding right now.

[1:23:12] Um >> just I think it's more reasonable

[1:23:16] but we are trying to put up walls this fall so that they can work inside this

[1:23:21] winter. >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:23:23] » You're welcome. Yeah. >> Our hotel was built through the winter.

[1:23:26] Y >> same contractor.

[1:23:29] » Yeah. pretty confident. [clears throat] Yeah.

[1:23:34] » Okay. Any other further comments or questions?

[1:23:38] » Okay. I see that the Hallmark Center, we've got our final court order and

[1:23:42] we're just waiting for transfers. >> Yes, I missed that one. That was the

[1:23:45] other one I wanted to say. So, yes, the Hallmark Center, the judge has signed

[1:23:49] off on the court order. Um, and then we're just waiting for the transfers to

[1:23:53] go through and and then whatever needs to be written off be written off. So, it

[1:23:56] is ours again. >> Very short. Not today, very shortly.

[1:24:00] » Okay. Fantastic. >> So, we did get the 10 properties back.

[1:24:03] We got the Hallmark back. We um I'll speak to the public works building

[1:24:09] actually when I I Dwayne's not here this evening, so I'll speak to his report and

[1:24:12] I'll give an update um on the public works.

[1:24:16] » Okay. So, we should definitely reach out to um

[1:24:20] uh the ministry that this has happened, that it's happening because they were

[1:24:25] the ones that gave us the vice back in two years and ago now to try and get

[1:24:29] this property back. So, that's exciting to be able to develop it now.

[1:24:32] » Ministry of Northern Development Grove. >> Yes, it would be George's office now.

[1:24:38] Yeah, it originally was um Minister Rickard.

[1:24:41] » Yeah. that told us to uh go ahead with that and of course mister period told us

[1:24:45] to continue with it. >> Yeah.

[1:24:47] » So that's exciting. Um the tw 10 properties vested back to the township.

[1:24:52] Are we able to um send those properties to the HHC to see if there's any of

[1:24:57] those properties that we would like use of?

[1:25:01] » We can. I think they're all vacant land, but I could be wrong.

[1:25:05] » Okay. just cuz we went through them before and I'm not sure if they were on

[1:25:08] our [clears throat] list when we were checking out property.

[1:25:12] » I will review them with Catherine. >> Okay.

[1:25:16] And the two residential properties that have been sold, so those are both houses

[1:25:20] or is one vacant land? >> One's vacant land and the other one is a

[1:25:23] house that's um the plan is to renovate. >> Oh, fantastic. Okay.

[1:25:29] » This fall. >> Okay.

[1:25:31] » Yeah. and the other vacant land there's a plan

[1:25:35] to build to construct on that property. So,

[1:25:39] » okay.

[1:25:43] Okay. I don't have any further questions or anything from council.

[1:25:49] Okay. We'll carry on. Thank you, Memo. Thank you. Okay. And next we have the

[1:25:53] CFO, Cindy. Would you like to add anything to your report or

[1:25:58] » um just a little bit? >> Okay. Just a note that the 2025 aud

[1:26:03] financial statements have now been received. I did put expected but because

[1:26:06] of today we have received them. Um they're not on our website yet but that

[1:26:11] will happen. Um excuse me. Um in the variance reporting actual budget we've

[1:26:18] been provided everything up to the end of July. Um so it's seven out of 12

[1:26:24] months which is around 58% uh of the year if you go by the months.

[1:26:30] Um something to note the budget amount column is the full year budget. We don't

[1:26:36] break it down by month by month. Um quite um certain of our um expenditures

[1:26:42] don't go on a monthby-month basis. Might and same with the revenues we don't

[1:26:46] always get it month by month. Might be July and October. So those kinds of

[1:26:50] things. So you might see timing differences if you're trying to identif

[1:26:57] and there's also um potentially some codes that have not been identified yet

[1:27:02] that need to move from one budget or one to another.

[1:27:08] So there's more analysis to be done before

[1:27:12] say we've got everything in this right place. Okay.

[1:27:21] I think that's it. >> Okay. Do we have any questions for the

[1:27:25] CFO?

[1:27:30] » I just have one question about the uh FIR.

[1:27:34] » If is September 30th beyond the deadline?

[1:27:39] » No. >> For when it has to be okay.

[1:27:41] » No, that's the Well, that's the deadline for NH. Okay. And then if we did go

[1:27:47] beyond that payments from Olympia just delayed everything so much they wouldn't

[1:27:53] go away. They' just be delayed but u we will

[1:27:57] » Okay. that I I believe the ministry um their preferred deadline is May 31st but

[1:28:03] the September 30th deadline is at the point where they'll start to hold your

[1:28:07] PS fund. >> Okay. Okay.

[1:28:10] So, uh, we're still trying to plan ahead that eventually we're going to get our

[1:28:14] audit done earlier and then get so we're on a better circle or cycle and we're

[1:28:20] not at the last minute. Okay. >> Y

[1:28:22] » Okay. And I'm not That's still fault. Take it that way.

[1:28:30] » Okay. Any other questions or concerns?

[1:28:37] Okay. Thank you. >> [clears throat]

[1:28:40] » We might have questions when we get to the information only, but when we get to

[1:28:44] the variance report. So,

[1:28:48] okay. So, moving on to Jennifer Hill, the clerk. Jen, do you have anything you

[1:28:52] want to add to your report? >> I do. Okay.

[1:28:54] » Um, so the election update, I'm still working

[1:28:59] on finalizing polls. Uh, Linda at the hospital has been off, I think, on

[1:29:04] vacation. So, when she gets back, we will have the dates for the advanced

[1:29:09] polls. Um,

[1:29:14] the IT update, uh, I didn't put in my report, but part

[1:29:20] of that was changing the setup for streaming council meetings. So, I

[1:29:25] apologize for the tech stuff today, and I'm sure that there's going to be a few

[1:29:28] kinks that we have to finish working out. But uh

[1:29:32] it is no longer melting my computer. So that's good. [laughter]

[1:29:38] » Is that for example, is that a new process with the Do we have a new

[1:29:43] process? Is that >> a fully brand new process for uh

[1:29:45] » with encompass? >> Yeah. Yeah. So we have um a previous

[1:29:50] computer from the um economic development

[1:29:55] » [laughter and clears throat] >> uh office. a couple [cough] extras from

[1:30:00] the intern, I think is what she was called. But

[1:30:03] » yes, >> um so there was one that she had used

[1:30:05] briefly but was in good condition and was powerful enough. So now it's sitting

[1:30:09] under council table um and it's very small and it's connected so it's uh

[1:30:14] that's running all the streaming software. Uh you'll also for the viewers

[1:30:18] notice that the um background for the YouTube videos looks different because I

[1:30:24] had to create a new one for the new computer. Um

[1:30:28] hopefully everyone likes it. [laughter] And then um

[1:30:35] uh for the service Ontario update. So we are still in the process of hiring. That

[1:30:41] is still posted until September 18th. Um we do have We have been closed since

[1:30:48] um this past Tuesday, I think.

[1:30:54] » Yeah, >> the previous Tuesday. Previous Tuesday.

[1:30:56] Yes, the first. Sorry. Um, and uh, I got word today, I believe, that

[1:31:05] Service Ontario is going to be sending people. Sorry, yesterday afternoon I got

[1:31:10] word uh, Service Ontario will be sending people from

[1:31:14] uh, a different location to work from 11 to 3 next Wednesday, Thursday, and the

[1:31:19] Wednesday Thursday after that. Uh, the information has been posted.

[1:31:23] » So, they're helping to minimize uh, the service disruptions and then

[1:31:30] hopefully we will be starting to train someone on September 28th. Uh which will

[1:31:35] still be quite some time before it will be fully operational. It's a lot of

[1:31:39] training, but we will likely have staff coming up to

[1:31:44] train them here anyway. So hopefully the disruptions won't be for too long.

[1:31:48] » Okay, fantastic. I'm glad that they are bringing somebody into town and um

[1:31:55] because there was a service disruption. If there's anyone with expired

[1:32:00] licenses or something like that that happened and they couldn't get out of

[1:32:03] town, is is that something they can address with them when they're here?

[1:32:07] » They can. Um it wouldn't stop, for example, if like the police were to pull

[1:32:13] them over. It wouldn't absolve them because they it would have been you

[1:32:17] should do it months in advance or go to a different center. So, White River is

[1:32:21] still operational um purse. So unfortunately that is still the case

[1:32:26] but people will be able to get their stuff done when they're here.

[1:32:30] » Okay. Okay. >> Okay.

[1:32:34] And I can take any questions. >> Yeah. So any questions for the clerk?

[1:32:45] I'm not seeing any. Jim. >> Well, I'm glad you're getting through

[1:32:49] the it. Like we said earlier, I love it until it doesn't work. And I'm not the

[1:32:54] person to get involved with it cuz I just get frustrated and I'm like

[1:32:59] something gets too far gone with my computer and I just want to get a new

[1:33:02] one. [laughter] Something goes wrong with my phone and

[1:33:05] it's got too not enough storage. I'm like it's time for a new one. [laughter]

[1:33:10] » Yeah. Go ahead. I >> I just wanted to add um in the week that

[1:33:13] I was away at AO um we did have a new IT company come in. So I'm not sure that

[1:33:18] council is even aware that we've changed IT companies. We do have a new company.

[1:33:22] Um, Jennifer and Cindy were instrumental in working with them to get everything

[1:33:26] set up seamlessly. So, if you notice any hiccups in any of of your devices or

[1:33:31] emails or I don't think that anybody on council even noticed, I think it was

[1:33:35] seamless. >> Um, which is good. And but if you do

[1:33:39] have any problems in the near future, just let any one of us know so that we

[1:33:43] can make sure to direct it to the IT and get it fixed right away.

[1:33:47] » Okay. Perfect. Okay. Thank you, Jim. and we'll move on to the public works

[1:33:52] manager report and I you have addition. Yes. Okay.

[1:33:56] » Um I don't have a well I do have an addition but I just wanted to quickly

[1:34:00] review it. So third Avenue project as we all know is um pretty much complete.

[1:34:04] There are some street light repairs to happen and we are looking at the lines

[1:34:08] because that one white line we believe needs to be moved over about a foot. So

[1:34:13] the walking lane is a little bit wider. Um the library fitness expansion will be

[1:34:18] starting. Um they're just finishing up the design.

[1:34:22] 18 Becker is about 75% now moved over to 19 Becker. So that cleanup is

[1:34:28] continuing. Um the environmental cleanup that's actually my addition. Um so the

[1:34:34] environmental cleanup from 19 Becker has been completed and thee is satisfied

[1:34:39] with all the efforts and the total cost of that effort was $21,548.7.

[1:34:46] So very different from the millions of dollars that have been reported on

[1:34:49] Facebook and other social media. It's contrary. It works out to about $21 per

[1:34:55] person in town. Um >> little different little difference than

[1:34:59] Yeah. >> So I just wanted to make that very

[1:35:01] clear. That number is $21,548.7

[1:35:06] was the cost to clean up the small oil spill in behind the new garage.

[1:35:12] » Okay. >> So that that's a good news story.

[1:35:15] » That is That is a really good news place for employees.

[1:35:20] » Yes. And um the pavilion park washrooms are about 95% completed. So we're we're

[1:35:25] just waiting on door closures and some solar lighting um for the front for

[1:35:30] nighttime use. And I don't know if council noticed, but there is now a flag

[1:35:34] also by the pavilion. So I think that Canada flag looks great there. And um

[1:35:39] there are also goalie lights around the the pavilion so they change colors. Um

[1:35:44] so we can have them for different events throughout the year whether it's

[1:35:47] Halloween or Christmas Canada Day um >> or or whatever events we have going on

[1:35:53] that we'd like to highlight. Sorry. >> And some proclamations will request that

[1:35:56] we light municipal buildings. >> Sorry. Yes, absolutely. Any of the

[1:36:01] proclamations. We have a second set that needs to go on this building. I don't

[1:36:04] think that's happened yet, but hopefully we'll be able to address it this fall.

[1:36:08] Okay, good job. >> Cool.

[1:36:11] » Yeah. >> Yeah,

[1:36:12] » that's it. >> And I see that the arena is getting

[1:36:17] ready to have ice put on it. >> Yes.

[1:36:19] » As well. >> Yes.

[1:36:20] » Okay. >> For October 1st.

[1:36:23] » Okay. >> Yeah.

[1:36:26] » And um just for the uh sorry I might be on the wrong report now. Uh for the

[1:36:31] opening, are we doing anything for the groundbreaking? Sorry. I I will let

[1:36:38] council know once I have details. I'm waiting to hear back from um MP Terry

[1:36:43] Shehan from M PP um Bill Rosenberg's office. Um I want to reach out to

[1:36:49] Minister Perry to make sure that everybody can come and if they can then

[1:36:52] we might want to >> have a discussion about maybe changing

[1:36:55] the date to when they can. >> Okay. I think what does council feel? We

[1:37:00] want >> or do you want more?

[1:37:02] » Do we want people here for the groundbreaking

[1:37:05] » for the end of September, October? >> Yeah,

[1:37:08] » if we can. Yeah, that would be great. >> Yeah. So, if we can work somewhere.

[1:37:11] » So, I've reached out. I'm waiting to hear back. Once I've heard back, I will

[1:37:15] email council. >> I'm just excited to see you get started.

[1:37:18] » Yes. Yes. [laughter] We all are. For sure.

[1:37:21] » Yeah. Okay. Yep. For sure. >> Carlers are going to have their

[1:37:26] lobby back. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. And just a comment on that. Um

[1:37:31] just about the curling club with the beam.

[1:37:34] » I've reached out to Eric Villanov from Villanov Engineering. Um I'm waiting to

[1:37:39] get [clears throat] timeline from him. So I I can't comment on it because I

[1:37:43] don't have an answer for him. >> Okay. Are we hopeful it might be before

[1:37:47] the curling season? >> I'm hoping. I'm pushing.

[1:37:49] » Okay. Okay. >> I'm not hoping that I'm pushing. I am

[1:37:53] pushing and [laughter] I'm hopeful that it will be successful.

[1:37:58] Okay, >> we we all know that I can push pretty

[1:38:00] hard. >> Okay,

[1:38:03] » you're unleashed. We go. [laughter]

[1:38:08] » Okay, if there's any is there any further questions for the public works

[1:38:12] manager? >> Okay, there being none, if I can get um

[1:38:19] uh a vote to accept the acknowledge receipt of the reports. Those in favor

[1:38:23] and that is carried. Okay, moving on to correspondence action

[1:38:28] items 9.1. We have the Horn Paint Snow Bear

[1:38:32] Snowmobile Club second annual quad scavenger hunt and bingo hunt.

[1:38:40] They are looking for a donation

[1:38:47] to my questions.

[1:38:51] Oh, right there.

[1:38:57] So, I open up the floor for discussion from council.

[1:39:02] Go ahead. >> I attended the first one uh and uh I

[1:39:05] thought it was well attended, extremely well organized and an awful lot of fun.

[1:39:10] It was uh great for Horn Payne and Adette did an amazing job and all the

[1:39:15] the people that were helping her and uh I'm sure this year is going to be even

[1:39:19] better than last year. Yeah, I agree.

[1:39:24] » It brought in a lot of people. >> Absolutely.

[1:39:26] » To town and it highlighted our hotel and it was Yeah,

[1:39:30] » very nice. >> It was very It was a lot of fun.

[1:39:33] [clears throat] >> Mhm.

[1:39:38] » Okay. Any further comments or questions? >> Okay. Just to direct the discussion. So,

[1:39:45] do we have room in our budget to give anything right now?

[1:39:51] Sorry. >> Yes. Um there's so far in 2026 there's

[1:39:55] been a $500 donation already processed. There is to my understanding a $1,000 um

[1:40:02] commitment for the Santa Claus which is an ongoing I guess annual thing. So

[1:40:08] there's 1500 there out of the 4,000 that has already been identified as um spent

[1:40:14] if you want to call it that. Um the other question had to do with related to

[1:40:19] this had to do with inind donations which we talked about prior. They're not

[1:40:24] budgeted for in in the sense that we've included that in the budget. It's not a

[1:40:28] cash transaction in any event. It's really good just an entry for us to

[1:40:33] record how much it's in lost revenue there is by doing an inind say waving of

[1:40:39] fees at the uh arena for for hockey or some of the other events that have been

[1:40:45] um agreed to that they can have the facility for no cost. So um in that

[1:40:52] sense we've um recorded or sorry we've calculated we haven't done any

[1:40:56] recordings in our general ledger. You won't see it in your grant reports at

[1:40:59] all in any form but um we've calculated uh just a little over $3,300

[1:41:07] of inind revenues that have been waved um for people who

[1:41:14] » Okay. So in the line item under the budget cash amount though there should

[1:41:18] be you said it was 5,000 or 4,000 >> total was included in the budget and

[1:41:23] 1,500 is >> okay. So we have 2500 remaining.

[1:41:29] » Okay. So we do have 2500 remaining. Is there a proposed amount on the floor

[1:41:36] for a donation? >> What did we donate last year?

[1:41:41] » We >> I don't believe we donated. No

[1:41:43] precedence right now for it.

[1:41:48] » I don't think we were asked last year. >> No.

[1:41:52] » And was the Horn Fire Department involved last year? There was.

[1:41:55] » Yeah. >> They were.

[1:41:57] » Mhm. >> They were washing.

[1:42:00] » This was an added feature. >> Yeah. After you got out mud, they would

[1:42:04] wash it out for for a donation. >> That actually was a really good idea.

[1:42:08] » Yeah. >> Oh, fantastic.

[1:42:11] I like that idea. Support our own fire department.

[1:42:15] » It's a big big thing. >> Yeah.

[1:42:17] » So,

[1:42:24] » well, propose a number, council. Don't wait for me. [laughter]

[1:42:27] » How much was on the >> We have 2500 left in our budget. I'm not

[1:42:32] sure if we have any other items coming forward. We usually

[1:42:37] » the the Christmas thing is already accounted for.

[1:42:40] » That's already accounted for. Yeah. >> And then we do put our name on the

[1:42:45] curling club ice. Is that out of our donations?

[1:42:49] » Um I I'm not sure. >> Okay.

[1:42:52] » I would you are going to get um more requests for donations before the end of

[1:42:58] the year I would imagine. Um I I can't remember off the top of my head. Do you

[1:43:02] remember who who I've asked in the past? >> Last year.

[1:43:07] » Last year there was kids sport for 500. There was

[1:43:12] cal just at the 500

[1:43:17] » and >> that's the food bank. So we definitely

[1:43:19] need to >> yeah hold back that up.

[1:43:21] » So that was done in 2025 >> kids was that was autism

[1:43:28] » I believe. I can't tell. >> Okay.

[1:43:30] » I'm just trying to think of the I think the week might have it's coming again.

[1:43:36] » I'm good with 500. >> Yeah,

[1:43:38] » I'm good with that, too, if that's available.

[1:43:41] » Okay. >> Yeah. I'm just thinking I I'm like we

[1:43:46] have we did 500 to the food bank.

[1:43:50] » Yeah. >> Okay.

[1:43:52] » 500 to kids seems to be the go-to number.

[1:43:55] » Yeah. I'm just uh I would be willing give a thousand because it is their

[1:44:00] second. We didn't give last year and >> I that's just my thinking on it and say

[1:44:05] that like we didn't give last year. we didn't have the opportunity. And I think

[1:44:09] that also with in um to send our donation policy so they get their asks

[1:44:16] in earlier because we might be able to really spread out our branding as an

[1:44:21] inkind donation too for things like I would like to see the township be able

[1:44:27] to have if it's part if they give out loot bags. I don't I don't want to get

[1:44:30] in the involvement of it, but >> Yeah.

[1:44:34] » Yeah. >> I I kind of snickered when you said that

[1:44:37] because that's the exact number I had in my mind.

[1:44:39] » Oh, and you didn't speak it. >> I didn't [laughter] I was trying to see

[1:44:42] where everybody else was.

[1:44:46] » Sorry. That's all. But yeah, I'm fine with that actually. So, or somewhere in

[1:44:51] between. >> Well, money stays right in town and it's

[1:44:54] such a great draw for the hotel. And uh and on another note, the the Scoo Club,

[1:45:00] they do an awful lot of there's an awful lot of hours being put in for and it's

[1:45:04] volunteer 100% >> volunteer.

[1:45:06] » Mhm. >> And they are not they're not getting the

[1:45:08] funds like they used to from the um um Scoo like the organization, the

[1:45:14] association. So I'd be fine with a thousand as well.

[1:45:17] » Okay. And then that leaves us 1,500 left for any other upcoming. So, um,

[1:45:25] okay. So, um, I do have a the staff did prep prepare me a motion. I'll read it

[1:45:31] out first and then we can get them over in a second. Uh, be it resolved that

[1:45:35] council does hereby authorize a donation of $1,000 to the Hornpane Snowmobile

[1:45:40] Snow Bear Snowmobile Club for their second annual quad scavenger bingo hunt

[1:45:44] in support of the Hornpane Fire Department and the Horn Snow Snow Bear

[1:45:48] Snowmobile Club. Oh my goodness, I had a hard time. And it did have an empty spot

[1:45:52] there. So I just put in the thousand. Everyone's good with that motion. Okay.

[1:45:57] I'll get a mover and a seconder for it. Moved by John Perov, second by Peter

[1:46:01] Kistaker. And I won't reread it again. Those in favor and that is carried.

[1:46:07] Okay. So um yeah, I would just definitely send sincere thanks from

[1:46:13] council. We're glad to see that um the community members feel inspired to

[1:46:20] do things and welcome people to our community and they have a place to they

[1:46:23] can stay and I'm excited to see and hear about how great it is. If I had a quad,

[1:46:28] I would I would uh participate, but I don't have one of those. [laughter]

[1:46:33] » I I can honestly see this event getting bigger.

[1:46:36] » Yes. Yes. >> You know, and uh even like they're at

[1:46:39] the center of Ontario. They're they're everywhere on our trails like

[1:46:45] everywhere. So it it's a big thing. They're using our centers. They're it's

[1:46:50] to me it can get bigger. >> Yeah. And I do think, you know, when we

[1:46:53] went to the um sportsman show last year, I do think that's something we should

[1:46:59] discuss as a pivot as really looking at the investment areas where we can go to

[1:47:05] find further investment because when we were at the sportsman show, the booth

[1:47:09] behind us was another developer and we ended up making that contact and had two

[1:47:14] other meetings with them and um and our booth was really busy. I have to give a

[1:47:19] shout out to Odet and Deni and uh it was busy. It was a it was a really good

[1:47:24] place to showcase our community and the one thing that kept coming up was um the

[1:47:31] quality of our snowmobile trails but people looking for places to at ATV with

[1:47:38] uh safety of their families. That's what they were looking because some of the

[1:47:41] places that people can go it's quite congested because those are the only

[1:47:45] places, right? >> So um I would be definitely in favor of

[1:47:50] us supporting that and having a delegation of different people like we

[1:47:53] did. The three of us worked really well together and and our booth looked

[1:47:57] fantastic with all our new branding and the stuff that uh the snowmo uh the

[1:48:02] snowmobile club brought in the hotel. So >> yeah. So yeah, I'm excited. Maybe I'll

[1:48:09] borrow a quad [laughter] or I might get stuck or not know how to drive it. I

[1:48:16] haven't driven one since I was a teenager.

[1:48:17] » Guys like to use a wenches. So if you get stock

[1:48:20] » Oh, I'd be rescued. Oh, [laughter] >> that's funny.

[1:48:25] » Okay. Okay. Moving on to 9.2 is support for sustainable provincial grant funding

[1:48:30] for fire services Ontario. If I can get a mover in a second, please. Moved by

[1:48:35] councelor Peter Kissmaker, second by councelor John Perov. Whereas the

[1:48:39] township of Hornpane relies on its volunteer fire service to provide

[1:48:42] essential emergency response and fire protection services in a rural and

[1:48:47] remote community and whereas municipalities are responsible for

[1:48:50] meeting proincially mandated fire protection requirements largely through

[1:48:54] local property taxation. Therefore, be it resolved that the council of the

[1:48:58] corporation of the township of Hornpane support the town of Plymouth, Wyoming's

[1:49:03] resolution calling on the province of Ontario to establish permanent, stable,

[1:49:07] predictable, and non-competitive provincial funding for municipal fire

[1:49:12] services, including operational readiness and training costs. Be a

[1:49:16] further resolve that this resolution be forwarded to the premier of Ontario, the

[1:49:20] minister of the solicitor general, the minister of municipal affairs and

[1:49:24] housing, Bill Rosenberg, MPP for Alma, Manatulan, AO Roma, and the town of

[1:49:30] Plymouth, Wyoming. And I just have one question to the

[1:49:35] resolution. None of these

[1:49:40] U ministers, well, you don't have their names anyway.

[1:49:44] the the shuffle happened today. So I was but the names aren't there so it doesn't

[1:49:48] matter. >> If I may you'll actually notice I

[1:49:50] started changing the resolutions from having names to just saying premier or

[1:49:55] minister because some of the time it would get

[1:49:59] shuffled before we'd send it and then it would be so now I just have titles.

[1:50:03] » That's perfect. Yes. >> Okay. And uh I strongly believe in this

[1:50:10] resolution. Um

[1:50:14] those in favor and that is carried. Okay. 9.3 Federation of Northern Ontario

[1:50:21] Municipalities Spenom request for municipal support prescriptive divers

[1:50:26] diver diversion program. Gosh if I can get a mover in a second please

[1:50:31] councel. Moved by councelor Peter Kismator. Second by councelor John

[1:50:34] Perov. Whereas the township of foreign pain recognizes the need to protect

[1:50:38] patients and the public from diversion diversion of prescribed safer supply

[1:50:44] medications. And whereas the prescription diversion project and

[1:50:48] addiction medicine Canada are requesting strengthened prescribing expectations

[1:50:53] for safer supply medications in Ontario. Therefore, be it resolved that the

[1:50:57] council of the corporation of the township of hornne supports the request

[1:51:00] that the college of physicians and surgeons of Ontario require directly

[1:51:04] observed consumption of safer supply medications by a regulated health care

[1:51:09] professional and establish a maximum daily dose equivalent to 5 mg

[1:51:14] hydromorphone tablets. Be further resolved that this resolution be

[1:51:18] forwarded to the college of physicians and surgeons of Ontario, the health

[1:51:22] minister of health and deputy premier phenomen and the prescription diversion

[1:51:27] project co-chairs. Okay. Any uh comment on that?

[1:51:38] » I open the floor. Go ahead, Kelsey. >> I'm not even sure what that all means. I

[1:51:42] don't feel qualified to even make. Yeah, that's kind of how I felt too was

[1:51:48] I'm concerned that first of all, if we don't have the the

[1:51:54] people in place to be able to monitor and then people are not going to receive

[1:52:00] their dose, I I so I I would I would actually like to defer this till I

[1:52:07] because I I really don't know enough to support it.

[1:52:12] » Yeah, absolutely. >> If council. Uh, so I do need a motion to

[1:52:16] defer, right? So, um, I'll put a motion to defer 9.3

[1:52:22] to, um, I think the November or a meeting in the

[1:52:28] future um to bring back to council. So, if a

[1:52:33] mover and a seconder for that, please. Moved by councelor John Perov, second by

[1:52:36] councelor Peter Kismaker. I was going to say you have uh councelor Peter

[1:52:41] Kissmaker moving it and seconding it for the original ones. We can keep them.

[1:52:45] » Oh, okay. We can keep that way. Okay. >> So, those in favor of the deferral and

[1:52:50] that is carried. May I ask a question? >> Yes. Um so, I received this item from

[1:52:57] Phenomena. I also was confused by it, but I wanted to bring it to council and

[1:53:02] uh see if you guys had any if you wanted me to ask for further information or if

[1:53:06] there's anything Cuz

[1:53:16] when you're talking eight pills of so many milligrams, 8 milligram

[1:53:21] hydromemorphine, I I take it that's the replacement for if you have a

[1:53:26] » Yes. >> a substance abuse like an addiction.

[1:53:28] [clears throat]

[1:53:32] » Yeah. I am certainly not qualified enough to know about the

[1:53:36] » no >> um dosages.

[1:53:43] [clears throat]

[1:53:55] Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm wondering if we um

[1:53:59] is this something that we can reach out to the our health unit about and ask

[1:54:03] them and then bring that information back like our local I'm just worried

[1:54:08] that I like >> thankfully you know like we we do see

[1:54:12] homelessness and horn pain where people are having a difficulty finding places

[1:54:17] [snorts] to live for work or they're sleeping in their car or they're couch

[1:54:20] surfing or they're sharing you know one house

[1:54:23] but I'm not sure if this is related to that and I just I feel really ill

[1:54:28] informed of what I'm supporting. So I think that would be the area to reach

[1:54:35] out to them and ask them and they would give us better clarity on it. I think

[1:54:39] » absolutely. >> Council, you in favor of that?

[1:54:41] » Yes. >> Yeah.

[1:54:42] » Yeah. >> And then you can bring it back once we

[1:54:45] have that information. >> Yeah. Yeah. cuz I'm I'm at a loss.

[1:54:54] And maybe when we do bring it back, it might end up feeding into our

[1:55:00] community safety. >> Mhm. Well,

[1:55:02] » well-being. So, >> that has come up.

[1:55:05] » Yes. Okay. So, that deferred and moving to

[1:55:10] correspondence information only. If I can get a mover and a seconder to open

[1:55:14] the floor, please. Moved by councelor Peter Kissmaker, second by councelor

[1:55:19] John Perov. Be it resolved that council does hereby no receipt of the correspond

[1:55:22] correspondence information information only packet

[1:55:26] attached at the agenda the regular meeting of council held on Thursday

[1:55:29] September 10th 2026. Okay. Any comments on the

[1:55:36] agenda packet or the correspondence only? Go ahead.

[1:55:38] » Um I did want to mention item 10.3. That's uh the library's trunk or treat

[1:55:43] event for 2026. Um I imagine for the obvious reason council will not be

[1:55:50] participating. Um however, I am more than happy to

[1:55:55] participate on the townships. Uh >> I think the office should Yeah.

[1:55:59] » Yeah. I usually do for the office, but I uh am happy to again this year. Um, but

[1:56:06] I did still include the invitation so that council is aware that it is

[1:56:11] happening. >> Just invite any other employees that

[1:56:16] might want to join in. >> Yeah, of course.

[1:56:18] » Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you for that, Jen.

[1:56:27] » Okay. Any other comments on the information only

[1:56:34] » our election [clears throat] 26 >> October 26th.

[1:56:38] » Okay. So this be an initiation for you in the council.

[1:56:42] » It could I mean if council wants us to prepare [laughter]

[1:56:47] the decorations for a vehicle for trunk for trunk retreat.

[1:56:52] » Do we get to pick their costumes? [laughter]

[1:56:57] be careful. We're like dressing ourselves. [laughter]

[1:57:03] » Oh man,

[1:57:07] okay. I do have some comments on um I want to say thank you to Cindy for uh

[1:57:12] putting in the variance report. I liked seeing that on the agenda and being able

[1:57:17] to go through and I think it's I I just want to see that and so that we're on

[1:57:23] top of it and thank you for that. So much appreciated.

[1:57:29] What else was there? Something else.

[1:57:41] Okay. I I thought I had saw it on here. I just wanted to highlight I could

[1:57:45] highlight as committee board updates but um there's a consultation process open

[1:57:50] right now with AMO and I participated yesterday and it's about the new

[1:57:56] integrity commissioner and code of conduct processes and the definitions

[1:58:00] and it was really well done. I have to a shout out to AMO for um them

[1:58:06] highlighting it. There is another one coming up. I believe it's in your emails

[1:58:11] and there's a there's a a longer consultation process to put in comments.

[1:58:17] And why I wanted to flag this for council was that um

[1:58:23] some of the suggestions are to have annual training definitely training on a

[1:58:28] new council. But my and I agree with that. I agree with annual training. I

[1:58:33] agree with the training of new council. My concern is is that um who's going to

[1:58:39] pay for those costs? And if the government's defining the qualifications

[1:58:44] of an integrity commissioner, I agree that the government should provide a

[1:58:48] list that we just get out of that completely and they just provide us the

[1:58:52] list and we pick every four or five years, you know, or put the RFP out and

[1:58:56] they have to be on the list. Um then that saves us costs because we're not

[1:59:01] doing that background research. They've already been vetted. But then with the

[1:59:05] training because we've seen this with the fire department already that they

[1:59:10] put in new regulations and new qualification standards and we we have

[1:59:15] to foot the bill. So I just encourage you to look at your email for that and

[1:59:21] the registry is open I believe till the end of the month for the uh to comment

[1:59:27] on those items and um and we we saw it we saw it with the policing boards

[1:59:33] there's more cost there and these are, you know,

[1:59:38] and I think I I agree with the training. I think if there was a provincewide

[1:59:42] webinar that you had to take annually and it was, you know, 45 bucks per

[1:59:46] person and it was simplified and like that would work. And then a bigger

[1:59:51] training every time we have a new uh council coming that would be like with a

[1:59:56] bit of a more in-depth training. So every fourth year you have a more

[1:59:59] in-depth training at a cost of say 150 a person or something. and it's a webinar

[2:00:04] based, but I just and I'd like to see it standardized. So, I encourage council to

[2:00:10] just look at that. And I'm sorry I thought for some reason I saw it on the

[2:00:13] information only as a tagline, but

[2:00:18] and I guess could I ask you, Jen, could you find that from AMO and shoot it back

[2:00:23] out to council so they have those links? >> Yeah.

[2:00:25] » Yeah. It came in our emails this morning. Yesterday

[2:00:29] » I got it. You got it again yesterday. >> Yeah. Wednesday. Wednesday morning at

[2:00:32] 9:05 a.m. >> Okay. So, the yesterday's one was great.

[2:00:36] And then [clears throat] is it showing you the next webinar one?

[2:00:39] » Friday, September 11th. >> Friday, September 11th. So, tomorrow you

[2:00:44] can take it again. >> Yes.

[2:00:45] » Yeah. And it was really [clears throat] it was good. But the does it tell you

[2:00:48] the um from when you can comment on the

[2:00:54] government's registry? >> Uh I did see it here. Monday, September

[2:01:01] 14th. >> Okay. So, anyway, even if you have the

[2:01:04] time, if you can go in and click, put your name down, and it's really about we

[2:01:08] want the training, but we can't like small municipalities cannot afford these

[2:01:12] costs of bringing like the thing that got me was I'm like, "Okay, so we're

[2:01:16] going to hire an integrity commissioner, and are we paying the rates of an

[2:01:19] integrity commissioner to come and give us training annually?" like I it was um

[2:01:26] but I do think like having the training is important having the fouryear

[2:01:30] in-depth training but we have to come with a complete plan of how that

[2:01:35] training would be ser like um delivered so anyway so it's not on this list but

[2:01:42] thank you John for getting that email out and uh any further comments on the

[2:01:48] information only okay they're reading I uh put that to a

[2:01:53] vote to receive for information and that's carried.

[2:01:59] Okay. Committee and board updates

[2:02:06] and I'll start with you Mr. Perov.

[2:02:11] » I don't have anything to report other than I think you're going to talk about

[2:02:15] the meeting we had yesterday. >> Yes. Okay.

[2:02:18] » Other than that I don't have anything else to report.

[2:02:22] Okay, great. Fantastic. Councelor, >> I got nothing new to report as well.

[2:02:26] » Okay, perfect. Councelor Kmaker Binda, >> well, I went to the AO conference and

[2:02:32] I'm really glad I went. It was very, very busy. Um, the details I think I

[2:02:37] will leave up to you guys. Um, uh, I am excited that, um, I must admit I am

[2:02:45] excited that we have that meeting with IE over next week.

[2:02:51] um because I have been bugging steady and uh now we do have a meeting with

[2:02:55] them and uh to me that's a start going forward. So

[2:02:59] » so I just wanted to add that meeting was a direct [clears throat] result of um

[2:03:03] councelor Kissmaker speaking with ISO at the April conference.

[2:03:08] » So I'm very happy with that. >> Okay. Good. Good.

[2:03:13] » And you enjoyed you had >> I learned a lot.

[2:03:16] » You learned a lot. >> We were very busy.

[2:03:18] » Yes. >> Yes.

[2:03:20] And uh no, it was worth going. I'm glad I went.

[2:03:24] » Okay, fantastic. Yeah. Um so for updates. Yes. So AMO was uh

[2:03:31] fantastic. I have to say uh it was the best AMO that I had ever been to.

[2:03:38] um for a few different reasons. Was the atmosphere meeting with the ministers

[2:03:44] was very similar to when they had first got elected back in 2018 2019

[2:03:52] » and um and taken the the government. So it so that was exciting to me. And then

[2:03:58] when we um and that they had the funding envelope come out for communities with

[2:04:03] no development charges because they're listening because we were getting left

[2:04:08] out from big infrastructure dollars. So um and then the um just the

[2:04:18] I can't even wrap my mind around it because I had never I I guess I'd

[2:04:23] explain it this way. So when I went in 2019,

[2:04:26] that kind of feeling was there. And then every year since then, it's been good,

[2:04:31] but it kind of dissipated away. I guess they got into their jobs, their roles,

[2:04:35] got inundated like we all do, like, oh my goodness, maybe this isn't what I

[2:04:39] signed up for, sort of feeling. And now I feel like they're coming out of it and

[2:04:43] it's it's really uh they're looking at investment expansion definitely by

[2:04:48] Ontario, by Canada and trying to protect um and grow our economic base and um and

[2:04:55] then the other um part that I really enjoyed being there was the people we

[2:05:02] got to meet and they were responsive to us like we they were

[2:05:06] » excited to see us, wanted to talk to us and um and it was overall just uh a good

[2:05:12] atmosphere. So I was yeah I was really I and I said it several times it was the

[2:05:17] best AMO conference that I had ever attended and uh it was well organized

[2:05:21] and and they opened up the trade floor upstairs is bigger. It's expanded so

[2:05:26] they put the registration down on the main floor and then so you had the full

[2:05:30] old trade floor area but then the upper level too. So they had I think it was

[2:05:35] all their maybe their gold sponsors or whatever in the main floor and they had

[2:05:39] a nice sitting area so you could sit and chat in there and um yeah it was really

[2:05:43] good and um and we were able to vote uh Roger Sangu and Kathleen from West Ning

[2:05:51] in for our uh delegate. So yeah, and uh so from

[2:05:59] AMO, I think Manuela's report highlights some of the follow-ups that uh need to

[2:06:04] be done and that we have one more meeting coming up

[2:06:07] » and um and from there uh it's been busy since

[2:06:14] like I said yesterday in the meetings, I was only on day two of this week and I

[2:06:18] couldn't remember the long weekend I had. [laughter]

[2:06:20] It was one after another yesterday. I think I missed lunch and the it was yeah

[2:06:25] between work and meetings and then work and yeah so it was crazy day but but uh

[2:06:30] first I wanted to highlight was the northeast superiors may marriage group

[2:06:33] so we had that in the morning and um I forwarded uh some information to Manuela

[2:06:39] about it and uh we had a group come in that are looking at transporting propane

[2:06:47] and they want to have more delivery centers in Northern Ontario that are

[2:06:52] link to rail. So, um I've requested that she reach out and we have this

[2:06:57] conversation with them and we get this moving forward for our community because

[2:07:01] if we do move forward uh with waste resource or even the new appetite again

[2:07:07] for a spur, these are more people that could use that uh facility off the CN's

[2:07:13] main line. >> So, so that was really an exciting

[2:07:16] project. We have the slides for that. Are they going to be on our October

[2:07:19] meeting? I'm requesting that they come for that if they can.

[2:07:23] » That would be fantastic. So, we'll be able to start a dialogue with them and

[2:07:28] um and they're uh a newer company that's uh bridging out into Northern Ontario.

[2:07:34] So, that was pretty exciting. Um the other thing that we uh talked about in

[2:07:38] the past and I said let's continue that conversation is transportation routes

[2:07:43] for the bus services. So um and I had talked previously with the chief of

[2:07:49] constants lake and the mayor of Hurst and trying to get so that Horn Payne's

[2:07:54] connected to both White River and I talked to of course uh Mayor Tara Hart

[2:07:59] at the mayor's group about this and and connecting with her so that people can

[2:08:04] move in and out of our community seamlessly. So um and there is some

[2:08:08] dollars and some funds available for that to move that forward. So, so that

[2:08:14] that'll come. And um we went through our list of uh all the ongoing action items

[2:08:21] and we're going to create a sublist underneath of all the items that we

[2:08:26] completed because every time we do an action item at the mayor's group, we

[2:08:30] just take it off the list. So, we just have this ongoing list of like a laundry

[2:08:34] list, but we we don't know what we've done. So it was a suggestion of someone

[2:08:39] at the meeting yesterday because that table could completely change up except

[2:08:43] one that they the incoming um new mayors uh whoever they may be will be able to

[2:08:49] see what was done in the past and they can because we even us for the eight

[2:08:54] years that I've sat at the table we've had topics come up from somebody and I'm

[2:08:58] like I think we did that like I think we have information on that and um and

[2:09:02] they'll probably looking uh we'll probably be looking at doing some sort

[2:09:06] of regional strategic plan in the next three years. So, so anyway, that was a

[2:09:11] really good meeting and then we went 1:00 to um Hornpane Lumber, Hornpane

[2:09:18] Power and we had a really good uh meeting. I invited Manuela to join me

[2:09:24] because I this all started last week with a discussion with Richard Groves

[2:09:28] and um just ensuring that we're aligned, let him know what happened at AMO and um

[2:09:35] uh what what I've seen and heard coming down the pipe. And um so we were

[2:09:41] discussing two major concerns that they brought up to our attention was the belt

[2:09:47] uh internet connection that how that affects the mill. So, um, in that

[2:09:53] discussion, uh, we talked about some action items that we can do at the

[2:09:57] township just to ensure that, um, we're putting pressure on Belle is, uh, Belle

[2:10:04] received money for account activity with our name listed to it. So, trying to

[2:10:09] find out what that is and how if that if any way could help us. Um, and then

[2:10:16] following up. I can't remember all the action items now off the top of my head.

[2:10:19] I think there was three, right? It's not in that book.

[2:10:21] » No. >> Yeah.

[2:10:22] » But there was we had a good discussion and and we had uh Yeah, we had and I got

[2:10:27] a clear understanding of why the internet affects the power. So power

[2:10:32] plant and then um when hydro one actually goes down and they can't they

[2:10:37] got to shut down as well and what the cost is of bringing that back up.

[2:10:41] » We had battery banks was a big discussion.

[2:10:44] » Yeah. So we had a big discussion um on battery banks and some other ideas which

[2:10:50] we uh decided that after the election that discussion should continue. Greg

[2:10:54] was quite interested to hear more and um and and I should step back on Tuesday

[2:11:02] uh the CEO of the Hornpane Power and Hurricane Lumber and I had coffee at one

[2:11:08] o'clock and I did invite Manuela to that. That was an impromptu invitation

[2:11:12] that got set up over the weekend and um I really enjoyed the conversation. I

[2:11:17] think there's a lot of new energy and new ideas there

[2:11:21] » and uh so I and I just it was really I had reached out to Tim that I always

[2:11:27] want to stay aligned, right? Like let's stay aligned like where is the

[2:11:30] municipality ensuring that we're helping like you think of the amount of uh

[2:11:34] residents that work out at the mill and at the power plant. So that was a really

[2:11:39] good discussion. and we went right to the hour and we had another meeting

[2:11:42] following that. But um uh so back from that to uh Greg and

[2:11:48] Richard Groves, we had a lengthy discussion about the waste to resource

[2:11:53] and um I guess it was a good conversation about the possible pitfalls

[2:11:59] and challenges that are going to come our way with this opportunity. So, it

[2:12:04] was more of that type of discussion, which was good because we were talking

[2:12:07] to people that already sell power to the grid.

[2:12:10] » Yeah. >> And um and the complexities of that and

[2:12:14] what you need in your PPA and what you want to get out of your PPA and um and

[2:12:19] to ensure that we're always um you know, being fair and protecting our current

[2:12:25] investment and our employers and our businesses that are already currently

[2:12:29] here, right? We want to make sure that that's protected. So, so that meeting

[2:12:32] went really well and uh like I said, we've uh scheduled something follow up

[2:12:36] into uh um November for that and then we met with um the ways to resource zool

[2:12:43] and uh that was the meeting John was talking to about uh later in the day and

[2:12:48] we gave an update and we talked about strategies to get us prepared for um

[2:12:55] moving this forward and I think we have a plan. There's not

[2:12:59] much because we're in restricted acts. There's really not much we can do at

[2:13:04] this time. Uh so in the background, um Zu's going to get together all of the

[2:13:10] communities that he'd like to approach. And I I offered we all did that if

[2:13:15] there's any ways that we can help with those interactions, we would. And um and

[2:13:21] then we'll move forward after the election again, continue the project to

[2:13:26] move forward. So, and uh was there anything I missed from that? No, I think

[2:13:30] John >> I think you covered it.

[2:13:33] » Did I? I felt like I was talking too fast. I couldn't speak earlier and then

[2:13:37] now I [laughter] >> No, I think you covered everything on

[2:13:40] that one. >> Yeah. Okay. Okay.

[2:13:44] So, so anyway, and I was I was really pleased like um the feeling in the

[2:13:48] meetings are that people want to want to get on board with us. So, that's that's

[2:13:54] good. >> [laughter]

[2:13:59] » So, okay. And, um, what else was there? Oh,

[2:14:04] uh, one thing I did, um, I did have Ontario good roads meetings coming up,

[2:14:09] uh, this, uh, the third week of September. And, um, due to some work

[2:14:14] schedule stuff that happened at my work, I had to move my vacation around because

[2:14:18] I should have been on vacation. But, um, so anyway, I won't be attending those.

[2:14:22] and they know. So, I'll go in November for the Queens Park uh advocacy day. So,

[2:14:29] but if I am able, I did tell them if I am able, I'll uh attend virtually.

[2:14:36] And I think that's it for me unless you have any questions about AMO.

[2:14:44] And oh, and I have to say I didn't even say that Minister Perry, Associate

[2:14:48] Minister Holland, Bill Rosenberg, they all asked to come to our town.

[2:14:53] [laughter] >> Yeah. And I was like, "Yeah, well, we

[2:14:56] have some things you we've got a ribbon cut here." So, yeah.

[2:15:00] » Yeah. So, it was it was good. >> Okay. Did I catch everything?

[2:15:06] » I think so. >> Yeah.

[2:15:07] » Yep. >> Okay. Okay. Then, moving on. If there's

[2:15:11] no other updates, we'll move on to 12, which is new

[2:15:15] business, right? Yeah. >> I think Okay. You want to speak to that?

[2:15:19] I got >> Yeah. So, I apologize. First of all, I

[2:15:21] made a mistake when I wrote the report. Um, so in the background, 1855885

[2:15:27] Ontario Corp from St. Catherine's. Um, their submitted price was 117,400.

[2:15:33] I I flipped them round and they were the complete submission more construction

[2:15:39] was 735345

[2:15:42] um and it was an incomplete. So line building group um quoted on the entire

[2:15:47] job more construction quoted on part of the job. So the recommendation is um to

[2:15:54] award the contract to live building group. So it has been awarded. This is

[2:15:59] really um just for information for council um because right now you can't

[2:16:06] under the restricted acts. So um we just followed the procurement bylaw and the

[2:16:10] RFP that went out and they met all the criteria of the RFP and they'll be

[2:16:15] starting probably October, November um it to do all the work. So that includes

[2:16:22] the flooring upstairs, leveling the floor, installing the new flooring,

[2:16:25] changing out most of the windows, um painting, I think upstairs and down, new

[2:16:31] trim, um where needed, new painting of the doors, um moving the kitchen. The

[2:16:38] kitchen's going to be relocated, I think, rather than a kitchen, it'll just

[2:16:41] be a small coffee bar out in the hall because um council chambers, I'm

[2:16:46] assuming, is going to be moving back upstairs so that way people can grab a

[2:16:49] coffee on their way in. Um, I'd like to get rid of those filing cabinets and

[2:16:53] replace them with permanent drawers. Like maybe the lower units that open as

[2:16:57] drawers and the upper units as more cabinets um instead of the filing

[2:17:01] cabinets so it looks a little nicer, cleaner, neater rather than those old

[2:17:05] metal cabinets there. Um, the bathroom's going to be redone as well as um the

[2:17:12] flooring throughout the hallway and into both the CFOs and my office as well. the

[2:17:17] clerk's on my list. The clerk's office is getting enlarged. She has a tiny

[2:17:21] little office. Um she can't meet with people there. There's no space. Even her

[2:17:25] desk, like she has enough room for her computer. There's nowhere to put down a

[2:17:29] piece of paper for someone to sign it. So that's getting enlarged. Um at the

[2:17:34] end of her office where the kitchen is now there's the idea of putting a server

[2:17:38] room in there because the server is very distracting. It's very noisy and

[2:17:42] distracting. So that small area will become a server room. It'll get vented

[2:17:47] outside um with some kind of sound suppression system in there as well. So

[2:17:52] I think that covers most of it. There's probably some other little things that

[2:17:56] have [clears throat] been included in there that I've missed. Um but that's it

[2:18:02] pretty much. And sorry go ahead if I may. I

[2:18:06] » there was Sorry. There is a wall as well to be constructed to keep the staff more

[2:18:11] safe. um and and with um accessible entrance way. So, sorry. Go ahead, Jen.

[2:18:17] Oh, good. Um I wanted to specify, so the submission that was incomplete, just so

[2:18:23] council's aware, it wasn't just incomplete. There are there's specific

[2:18:27] criteria within the procurement bylaw that if it does not meet, it is

[2:18:31] automatically disqualified. It doesn't matter what the review team thinks, it's

[2:18:37] in that bylaw. And there were certain things that were not met. So, it wasn't

[2:18:41] just because it was a partial submission or anything. It was because there were

[2:18:44] certain things that were not completed as required in the bylaw.

[2:18:48] » Okay. Just wanted to make sure that that [clears throat] was

[2:18:52] okay. >> Well, I'm glad to hear that the wall is

[2:18:56] going to go up to provide safety in that front hall because we're one of the few

[2:19:00] municipalities left that don't have that.

[2:19:02] » Yeah. >> And I've uh Yeah. I I'm so glad to hear

[2:19:08] that. And um just in the previous discussions that I heard with Jen's

[2:19:12] office, is it going to be a dual use? Is it going to is the front the little

[2:19:17] office going to be remaining as a dual use office or is it going to be one big

[2:19:21] office? >> We haven't really talked about that yet.

[2:19:24] Um I think there's a possibility that there could be some kind of division to

[2:19:30] I I don't know that there will be enough space to actually make it a dual

[2:19:34] » um >> because we are saving some of that space

[2:19:38] for the server room. >> Oh, okay. Right. Right. Right. Yeah.

[2:19:41] This was the preliminary discussions we had.

[2:19:43] » Yeah. >> I think we were driving somewhere where

[2:19:46] you told me. >> Yeah.

[2:19:47] » I was excited. I was going to say also when the council

[2:19:51] chambers moves upstairs, it is a much bigger space. So it would be I don't

[2:19:56] think unreasonable to have even just a divided area that people can

[2:20:01] use during non-counsel times. >> Oh, okay.

[2:20:07] » There's also this space down there. >> Mhm.

[2:20:11] » Yeah. >> Well, I'm just thinking eventually

[2:20:12] you're going to need an an office for your van. That's what I was saying. Yes.

[2:20:18] For a place that's not this big when you're meeting with people because

[2:20:21] » I have found that sometimes it can be a bit intimidating when you're coming into

[2:20:26] council chambers and >> you know I pull up the chair or you know

[2:20:29] sometimes I don't sit in this chair I'll sit over there or but that sort of thing

[2:20:33] that but that there's no rush on that because

[2:20:37] personally I probably wouldn't use it that much but

[2:20:41] » um also once the library is relocated there'll be space. Mhm.

[2:20:46] » As as well both I mean this whole area will will have

[2:20:52] the opportunity to look at that. >> Right. Right. Yeah.

[2:20:55] » Well, even a small round table like you have in your office within council

[2:20:59] chambers, it gives a smaller area. Yes. >> Where you can and it can be used for

[2:21:03] something else like it's just so you're not

[2:21:05] » Yeah. It's just you're not sitting at a big border table and it's

[2:21:10] » you know and >> and sometimes you're discussing

[2:21:12] sensitive topics. see what I did. Yeah, >> but that would work too. Just a small

[2:21:17] » That's what I tried to explain, but I didn't do a good job [laughter] of a

[2:21:21] little space upstairs. It could be.

[2:21:25] » So, unless there's questions, that's it on.

[2:21:27] » Yeah. So, is there any questions for that report?

[2:21:36] » And when's the completion supposed to be done

[2:21:41] » for this? I don't think It's an actual conclusion.

[2:21:44] » No, there isn't on here. Okay.

[2:21:51] » There may have been. I just I don't I don't think there was. We'll

[2:21:56] put it. >> Okay. I just got up next. See how it's

[2:22:01] going along. >> Okay. So we'll uh if I can get a mover

[2:22:06] and a second to receive the report to move by councelor John per second by

[2:22:10] counselor uh Belinda Kissmaker

[2:22:14] be [clears throat] it resolved that council receives a CAO report 2607 RFP

[2:22:19] 260730 town hall renovations as information.

[2:22:23] Those in favor and that's carried. Okay. Uh council discussion belt fiber.

[2:22:30] So this comes out of our meeting uh yesterday with um Corning Power

[2:22:37] and the difficulties they're having when basically my understanding is they'll

[2:22:45] they'll internet is their main provider and their backup provider is Bell. So

[2:22:50] when there's some uh when service is down they need reliable internet both in

[2:22:57] manage and or in pain to ensure that it's in sync so that it can feed the

[2:23:03] grid. That's very simplistic. So and um and then secondary is hydro one. when

[2:23:12] when hydro is down the plant is completely down and starting the plant

[2:23:18] up is very expensive. So um just on internet connections it was in the

[2:23:27] hundreds of thousands of dollars that have been lost this year alone just on

[2:23:32] the internet connection problems. >> So um why I wanted to have council

[2:23:36] discussion was like I had mentioned earlier that there was a couple things

[2:23:41] three items that had come up during the meeting and I didn't want uh staff doing

[2:23:46] that without council knowing what staff were doing in the background. So, one of

[2:23:50] the suggestions I made was that we look into the connection that Corn Pane has

[2:23:56] with Bell over the funds they got to expand connectivity because they did get

[2:24:01] substantial dollars with our name attached. Um why I went that route was

[2:24:08] um that's our industrial zoning that we zoned industrial and if there's funds

[2:24:16] available to run fiber out to the municipal boundary that helps us for

[2:24:23] further development but then it also helps the cogen that they're just this

[2:24:27] far in. >> Yeah. Um, we did have during the meeting

[2:24:31] I did talk with the mayor of Manittoage because there was questions about what's

[2:24:34] Manitourage's connectivity. Um, currently they don't

[2:24:38] have any fiber that's being utilized in the community. Bell and Rogers are

[2:24:43] currently in the community putting in fiber optic lines, but no one they're

[2:24:49] not up and running and um, Mayor Moffet didn't know when that date would be um,

[2:24:56] so he couldn't give me a answer on that. So hence the differences of um what's

[2:25:02] happening at different ends because you're dealing with non-fiber at one end

[2:25:06] and then fiber here in some respects and that we have fiber in town. Uh that was

[2:25:11] news. They didn't realize we actually had fiber right in our community that

[2:25:15] it's not coming from manage and that all of this information currently is running

[2:25:19] on the old T1 telephone line system which um

[2:25:26] ultimately we'd like to get away from but we're not sure um the power horn pin

[2:25:30] power is going to look into that but from our end now that you know all the

[2:25:34] kind of basics and the background is that we have some leverage because they

[2:25:39] were successful as being a proponent to provide us with um fiber and um so we

[2:25:46] need to look into that. So council is fine with that.

[2:25:49] » Manuel can find out about that. >> Um and then there's two other things

[2:25:56] that weren't they were more minor and I cannot remember right now. They will

[2:26:01] come to me. Um

[2:26:09] yeah and then there would be continued dialogue with uh the foreign pain power

[2:26:13] after elections and that um oh the other thing was too was finding out with uh

[2:26:20] Belle about our cellular towers and during that conversation ensuring that

[2:26:26] our uh the generators there where's the backup generator because we ran into

[2:26:31] that problem previously where we lost all connectivity

[2:26:35] and and I wasn't even uh and uh from the cellular end and then I wasn't wasn't

[2:26:40] aware and we weren't sure if there were still people in our community with bell

[2:26:45] lines down. So, we were going to look those are the other two investigate and

[2:26:50] see where it's at. Yeah. Go ahead. >> Well, one thing I do know when we were

[2:26:53] talking about bell lines and people not having the lines in town. I do know that

[2:27:00] out at the mill our emergency line is still down.

[2:27:04] It was never it was never put up and I'm wondering why.

[2:27:08] » Okay. So your emergency so you know that emergency lines down. Okay.

[2:27:13] » So we have to do a kind of general census of our population where it's at.

[2:27:16] So we have that. So if you hear anything I don't know if they're going to post or

[2:27:20] whatever to find out um that the township staff's doing that. It's all

[2:27:24] because of trying to get these services up and running not only for the horn

[2:27:28] power plant which is significant but also the um if it's emergency lines or

[2:27:34] my understanding was that there was a few of our seniors that their lines were

[2:27:38] working and I had no idea I had no idea >> and those are their life supports.

[2:27:42] » Yeah. Yeah. >> And do you know if that's still the

[2:27:44] case? >> I think they were fixed. The one I do

[2:27:47] know of was repaired but I don't know if there was any more. So that is something

[2:27:52] to really ask about >> and if they're going to and I think too

[2:27:56] is to find out are they phasing out these old lines because if they are then

[2:28:00] we need better support for our belt >> yes

[2:28:02] » cellular like >> Yeah.

[2:28:06] So,

[2:28:10] so anyway, with all that said, if there's anything that we missed in the

[2:28:13] conversation that you think is imperative

[2:28:18] to look into for the bell, all I know is that when they did come

[2:28:24] into pain and they did put in fiber lines, we always had discussions about

[2:28:30] uh there was fiber lines going to the hospital. It was along the main street.

[2:28:35] um and everyone wanted to be able to connect to it or whatever, right? And

[2:28:39] then all of a sudden you're afterwards you're hearing that they didn't have

[2:28:43] that service and then so how did these rumors get started and what happened to

[2:28:48] the lines if there was any? So to me there is a lot of it is something that

[2:28:55] has to be looked into in in great detail because there's a lot of history saying

[2:28:59] that we had it now how come we don't anymore or whatever.

[2:29:04] » Okay. So you're at So we want to know where the felt fiber is in our community

[2:29:08] currently. Like where it is, who's using it, like

[2:29:11] » because we even had that issue here when we first started on the council.

[2:29:15] » Yes. Yes. >> We were asking those questions. We never

[2:29:19] really got an answer. >> Okay.

[2:29:25] » Yeah, cuz I'm with you. I I remember it was the

[2:29:29] » I always thought the high the hospital was one that did have it and then they

[2:29:33] were saying they don't >> I didn't get that cuz it's not like they

[2:29:37] did. >> We didn't either.

[2:29:39] » Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, we did and then we

[2:29:43] » had it for years. >> Yeah, I know. But we weren't using it.

[2:29:45] We went to that to >> Yeah.

[2:29:48] » But why? That's another reason. Why did that end up like that?

[2:29:52] » Yeah. Cuz I think it was free. They were giving it to us for free.

[2:29:59] So

[2:30:02] yeah, cuz my concern about that was I was worried we were going to give up our

[2:30:06] bell line. >> My my one question is

[2:30:08] » it's been disconnected for a couple months now and changed.

[2:30:12] » Okay. My one question is uh we always talked about

[2:30:17] um the government always talks about we're all supposed to have fiber optics

[2:30:21] to go forward to for uh everyone is going to be able to have a computer and

[2:30:26] all that and then what I'm worried about is it's going to be like what we've had

[2:30:30] to deal with uh where we're going to be responsible for paying for it all where

[2:30:36] we can't. So, you know, um it seems like there's a double standard

[2:30:43] like how are they going to make sure that we all are connected to a computer?

[2:30:48] » Mhm. >> We talk the talk button.

[2:30:51] » Yeah. >> Yeah. And then the and it might be

[2:30:55] hindered further with the by Ontario by Canada um policies that are coming and

[2:31:01] directives because um part of the conversation with campaign power was

[2:31:07] Starlink because of the old the older written legislations or policies that

[2:31:14] they have to follow, they can't utilize that that technology. And I'm not sure

[2:31:20] the ins and outs or whatever, but um that's

[2:31:24] like that's going to hinder us too because if there's certain

[2:31:29] um corporations or governments or municipalities or hospitals or whatever

[2:31:35] that can't utilize certain services because maybe in the future they are not

[2:31:39] primarily Canadian or Ontarian or they the old legislation doesn't

[2:31:46] cover new technology. >> Yeah. So yeah, there'll be a bit of a

[2:31:50] lag there. >> It'll be a big problem.

[2:31:53] » Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, we definitely I'm more than confident Manola will find out

[2:32:00] exactly where fiber is in our town. [laughter]

[2:32:05] And is there anything else that we want to have on this discussion to know or

[2:32:08] anything else that you

[2:32:14] » and basically if there is a plan what is the plan and how long is it going to

[2:32:18] take?

[2:32:27] And then I guess the other thing is just to keep in regular contact with manage

[2:32:31] over what's happening with their insulation of fiber.

[2:32:36] » Um do we have fiber coming into the town like from manage or somewhere?

[2:32:42] » It runs along a truck >> comes in from the rail.

[2:32:46] » Oh yeah. >> You have to put in

[2:32:48] » almost 30 years now. >> It was 2001 I think. 2001 25 years.

[2:32:54] » Yeah. >> As we always talked about it, all

[2:32:57] [clears throat] we have to do is tap that line.

[2:33:00] » Yeah. [laughter] >> Save a lot of problems. Yes.

[2:33:04] » Yeah.

[2:33:08] That's true, too. It's right there. >> It's right there.

[2:33:12] » So, why even run a line out there from here?

[2:33:15] » I believe the hospital's hooked up to it. Eh,

[2:33:17] » that's my understanding. I think it's the schools, the hospital, but then we

[2:33:21] did have that discrepancy uh in a conversation about the hospital, the uh

[2:33:26] emergency meeting that we had. >> Yes. Yes, that's right. So,

[2:33:35] » okay. So, I guess that's the other discussion on the table is how do you

[2:33:41] » how do we link right into the fiber that's out there running right by the

[2:33:44] mill?

[2:33:49] It's always been [laughter] >> conversation

[2:33:53] forever. >> Yeah. Like that. To me now it sounds

[2:33:57] ridiculous that we're going to run fiber from horn pain out to the mill when

[2:34:01] there's fiber right there. That's the fiber where it's like we're putting a

[2:34:05] double line in. And that stuff's not cheap.

[2:34:10] » How far away is it? >> It's the tracks.

[2:34:12] » Okay. >> Like the the crossing like it's

[2:34:14] » Oh, it's right there. the crossings here and the buildings here

[2:34:18] would be the furthest. >> Yeah.

[2:34:20] » Yeah. >> The mills on one side, the office and

[2:34:22] garage on the other side of the track. So, [laughter]

[2:34:26] » go figure. >> You think it's that far? 800 m is almost

[2:34:29] a kilometer. >> Yeah, probably about 800 from the uh

[2:34:34] Goen to this tracks. >> Okay.

[2:34:35] » Yeah. >> Yeah. It's almost a kilometer.

[2:34:37] » Yeah. >> Yeah.

[2:34:41] » Still, that's very close. >> Mhm. A lot closer than

[2:34:44] » Yeah. >> 12 km.

[2:34:46] » Yeah. 12 km. Yeah.

[2:34:50] » Good job.

[2:34:55] Okay. Any further discussion on that? Okay. Thank you so much for that uh

[2:35:00] amending the agenda for that and having that discussion because um

[2:35:05] a lot of people's livelihoods and we want to make sure that is up and running

[2:35:09] and there's already the challenges of the tariffs. So, and the flip blobing of

[2:35:13] tariffs. So, >> yep.

[2:35:16] » Okay. Is do you need a motion or anything for that or No, you're good.

[2:35:21] Okay. So, moving on, we have bylaws. Bylaw number 222726

[2:35:26] joints compliance audit committee for 2026 2030 term of council. If I can get

[2:35:33] a mover and a seconder, please. Move by councelor Peter Kmaker, second by

[2:35:38] councelor Belinda Kmaker. Be it resolved that bylaw number 2227-26

[2:35:43] being a bylaw to appoint a joint compliance audit committee for the 2026

[2:35:50] 2030 term of council be hereby read a first and second time considered read a

[2:35:54] third time and finally passed. Any questions on the bylaw?

[2:36:03] » Have a question? >> Yes. Go ahead. Can you refresh my mind

[2:36:06] on uh what this is? >> I'll defer to the clerk.

[2:36:10] » I sure can. So, every um municipality is required to have an election compliance

[2:36:18] audit committee. Uh essentially, it is if there are any complaints about um a

[2:36:25] candidate's financials or any complaints about a candidate, it is the committee's

[2:36:29] responsibility to investigate [clears throat] it.

[2:36:33] Um and also they can request an audit. They

[2:36:37] can go through everything. It's it's basically just uh

[2:36:42] a third party

[2:36:46] » make sure does everything right. >> Yes. Um and to clarify, so this is we've

[2:36:53] uh for a few elections now we've partnered with um

[2:36:58] Wawa, White River, uh Chaplo, Uberville.

[2:37:04] So we are doing that again. And the host municipality cannot be on the committee.

[2:37:09] So in our case, if there's a complaint, I forward it to them, but it's the other

[2:37:15] municipalities, their clerks that are on that committee. If uh White River were

[2:37:20] to get a complaint, it would be myself and the other clerks, not White Rivers.

[2:37:25] Um so it's just to make sure that there is an impartial um third party neutral

[2:37:31] group to investigate any complaints. >> Thank you.

[2:37:35] » No problem. I hope that makes sense. >> Yeah, it does.

[2:37:40] » Any further questions on that? Okay, there being none, I put that bylaw to a

[2:37:44] vote. Those in favor? And that is carried. Okay. the Ontario

[2:37:48] Infrastructure and Lands Corporation loan. If I can get a mover and a

[2:37:51] seconder, please move by councelor Peter, second by councelor John Perov,

[2:37:56] be a result of that bylaw number 2228-26 being a bylaw to authorize the

[2:38:01] submission of an application to Ontario infrastructure and lands corporation

[2:38:07] for financing of certain ongoing capital works of the corporation of county

[2:38:12] paying the municipality to authorize borrowing temporary borrowing from OILC

[2:38:18] to meet expenditures in conjunction with the capital works and to authorize

[2:38:22] long-term borrowing for such capital works through the issue of debentures to

[2:38:27] OILC be hereby read a first and second time considered a third time and finally

[2:38:32] passed. Any questions on that bylaw?

[2:38:39] No. My only question is we're allowed to open up financing vehicles and

[2:38:45] restricted acts. Yes, I did a lot of research on this because the project is

[2:38:50] in the budget. >> So, the project is within the budget and

[2:38:54] this account is within the entire project budget. Um, it is allowed within

[2:38:58] the restricted tax period. >> Okay, that's a question and I'm glad to

[2:39:03] see it on here finally

[2:39:07] » and that's no staff. Don't take that the wrong way. Council moves as slow as all

[2:39:12] of us sometimes. [laughter]

[2:39:15] Okay. And those in favor and that is carried.

[2:39:21] Okay. Council, we have a confirmatory bylaw. If I can get a mover and a second

[2:39:26] moved by councelor Belinda Kithmaker, second by councelor John Perov, be it

[2:39:29] resolved that bylaw number 2229-26 being a bylaw to confirm the proceedings

[2:39:34] of council at the regular meeting held on Thursday, September 10th, 2026 be

[2:39:39] hereby read a first and second time, be considered read a third time and finally

[2:39:42] passed. Those in favor and that is carried.

[2:39:46] And if I can get a mover and a second please. Move by councelor Belinda

[2:39:49] Kissmaker. Second by councelor Peter Kissmaker. Be it resolved that council

[2:39:52] does hereby adjourn this regular meeting. Council held on Thursday

[2:39:55] September 10th 2026 at 8:41 p.m. Those in favor and that is carried. There you

[2:40:02] go council. >> Thank you very much.

[2:40:05] » And we'll see you in October for our last council meeting of this council.

[2:40:09] » Yes.

Regular Meeting of Council - 10 Sep 2026

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