[0:00] call the regular meeting order we already upped the pledge

[0:05] i pledge allegiance to flag of the united states of america and to the

[0:09] republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and

[0:15] justice for all

[0:19] okay you all have a copy of the agenda are there any additions or corrections

[0:22] to the agenda

[0:25] okay hearing none is there any you want to do the public hearing first

[0:30] for the basic code before you do public comment then you want to go exactly as

[0:33] we got it on order here

[0:37] yes okay

[0:39] how far are we going to go okay so first we're going to do this public hearing

[0:42] how are you going to run that i mean then we run into on aven

[0:47] to adopt it so how much discussion do you want to do on

[0:50] i would say you could see if anyone from the public wants to comment we could

[0:54] respond to their comments directly and then the rest of

[0:57] the discussion then go into regular business

[1:00] so right now we're having the public hearing on the basic code update

[1:06] comments this is kind of weird

[1:13] this felt weird okay so do you want to go into

[1:18] discussing any of the updates on there chris now or do you want to do this by

[1:20] the regular meeting

[1:24] i would say we can do it during the regular meeting okay

[1:27] so this was basically just a formality this

[1:31] right six o'clock thanks i think everybody here's for regular meeting

[1:34] right dan marlene

[1:37] you guys got anything on the basic code

[1:41] jay is here for something later on okay so we'll close the public hearing

[1:45] public comment period it's not making anything for the public commentators

[1:48] it's not already on the agenda okay

[1:52] b that's a basic code

[1:59] all those formalities back to the basic code

[2:02] the planning commission did go

[2:06] over some of the sections of the basic code that are related to zoning

[2:12] the rest of the basic code update

[2:17] planning commission does not have to review its other other rules for the

[2:20] city and about every three or four years the

[2:23] publisher of our basic code that we use does an update to make sure everything's

[2:27] up to up to par with state law and so they

[2:30] issue a new update which now we're looking at the two their 2014 update

[2:36] and in addition to what they've changed just for state law and other minor

[2:40] changes the planning commission has talked about

[2:44] some new language pertaining to garages this is in the zoning garages

[2:49] and

[2:58] garages and dwelling units

[3:07] and in the current well current basic code and the proposed

[3:11] it's all the same and the proposed code there's not a definition for garage

[3:17] so we've had a lot of questions at city hall what's what's allowed for a garage

[3:21] and i think it's it would probably work best

[3:25] for everyone if that was defined in our old zoning that we had before we

[3:30] adopted the basic code we did have garage defined

[3:34] and it was defined as a three-car garage as a maximum size well that's

[3:39] it doesn't give dimension so that's kind of hard to say well one person's

[3:42] three-car garage is different than somebody else's so at the planning

[3:45] commission level we talked about actually putting a maximum square foot

[3:49] on the garage so right now what's proposed is

[3:54] 1200 square foot maximum or 125 percent of the footprint

[3:59] of the house whichever is less so if you have a really small house if someone

[4:04] just puts up kind of a shoebox house you can't put up a monster

[4:08] garage it has to be somewhat in proportion

[4:11] so i think this is good language i guess

[4:15] the question is is 1200 square foot a good size some three car garages are

[4:20] actually a little bigger than that we just got an application one was 1260.

[4:26] so i don't know if you want to bump that up

[4:29] and then the other thing there's there's something

[4:33] in the regular zoning that between the house and the garage can't take up x

[4:36] amount of percentage of the lot right so it can't be over 50

[4:40] of hard surface

[4:48] what if somebody has two lots right they have two full lots

[4:56] well this would be like an average lot is about 8 000 square feet so if you

[5:01] have a house that's let's say

[5:04] 2000 i mean be real generous and then you have a 1200 square foot

[5:08] garage you're still under that 50 so that 50 percent really comes into

[5:13] play to make sure somebody doesn't pave their whole lot

[5:17] because it's any hard surface it's not just building

[5:20] so that's to make sure it's you know not completely impervious and then all

[5:24] the water would run on the neighbor so that's what that 50

[5:28] is after it is kind of a catch-all for these other things too for the size of

[5:31] house and garage if they really got baked but um

[5:36] i think the two things here to consider are

[5:38] the 1200 square foot you know do you want to bump that up a

[5:43] little and then the other regulation here it does say

[5:46] under private garage which is in the residential areas it would be for

[5:50] passenger vehicles and trucks not exceeding 12 000 pounds gross weight so

[5:54] that's basically saying they can't have their commercial vehicles there

[5:58] which makes sense in a residential but

[6:02] are we going to be able to enforce that and how many people already have

[6:05] commercial vehicles that they store there

[6:08] and is that acceptable

[6:10] i'd rather see them stored inside right than the outside right

[6:16] very good point so if they were allowed in the garage then that's a good thing

[6:20] then they're parked inside i do think we should bump that square

[6:24] footage up though because more people something these people are building

[6:27] right right yeah people are building

[6:29] neighborhoods 30 by 40 that's pretty big yeah mine's

[6:33] like 24 by 34. i mean i'd rather have that than have a couple of smaller

[6:38] storage sheds i'd rather have i mean i think it looks nicer if you've got one

[6:41] big garage storage with storage versus a bunch of little

[6:45] essentially 35 by 35 is the footprint of my house

[6:53] it's pretty big if you were to put parked cars on it

[6:59] and the attack would be this would be the maximum for all garages so if

[7:02] somebody perhaps wanted to build two smaller garages detached this total

[7:06] would be for those combined what's your what's your garage

[7:10] i thought it was like 24 by 34. yeah so you're just a good size two-car

[7:16] garage and you've got good storage in every size

[7:19] well no no not a lot but i mean you have extra extra definitely

[7:23] square feet this is allowing an extra

[7:27] 400 square feet to that size you're only at two-thirds of the max right now

[7:34] and then the other factor is the existing or the older lots in town

[7:40] are smaller than the new lots so

[7:43] i don't know that we want to get into having

[7:47] two different ones the one that's proposed is for one of the vacant lots

[7:51] out at prairie meadows and it's a 30 by 42

[7:56] garage which is a pretty decent sized three-car garage it's got some storage

[8:00] on each side and an extra 10 foot deep so

[8:04] it's amazing how many garages are not even used to store

[8:09] cars in and you still have the limiting factor

[8:12] of the 125 percent of the footprint of the house yeah so it's not like everyone

[8:16] could build a 1300 square foot right so i'm thinking because you do have

[8:20] you do have other things in place to control it so

[8:24] you're not going to have these big monstrosity

[8:27] on the small lots on a small lot with a small house you're

[8:31] not going to have this huge grudge because you've got other things that

[8:33] control the size

[8:38] so cheryl i heard you

[8:40] recommend 1300 and i wouldn't go any less than 1300 i don't think

[8:47] is this recommendation from eda i mean is this it's a recommendation from

[8:51] planning commission but it's going to get changed

[9:01] well if you've got somebody else already

[9:04] wanting to build a larger garage and you're gonna see that all the time

[9:08] everybody's gonna they're always wanting bigger garages

[9:10] and like i said i think that would be a whole lot nicer looking

[9:14] than having an extra small storage shed on a property and especially

[9:20] if they have the size of a house to support that size of a garage and that

[9:24] size a lot to support that size of the garage that says drivers can be a

[9:27] greater value as far as taxable property higher taxes

[9:31] yeah and and i think at the planning

[9:33] commission we were focusing more so on the

[9:37] the older lots and i don't know the smaller residential lots i don't know

[9:41] within the city so we could either have two different regulations for the

[9:45] different sizes because we've got the other 125 percent

[9:49] of the footprint and i think that's where the change came in tony is that

[9:52] then this would if if it got bumped up it would cover both the new lots

[9:58] and the older lots under one regulation which would be simpler to enforce

[10:04] okay because as long as you've got something in there to control the size

[10:07] of it for someone with a smaller house and the smaller lots

[10:12] right yeah there is yeah

[10:19] material planning and zoning will let you make if you don't see that in a

[10:23] motion don't you since you've got it on here or do we just change it not accept

[10:25] it well we will

[10:29] assuming everything we come up with recommendations on everything you can

[10:33] adopt the entire basic code update at one time

[10:38] so we just need to make note on what you're

[10:41] approaching is everybody else take these monstrosity garages though

[10:45] can be a negative on the value of the house

[10:49] i mean i look at houses that are i look at two houses across the street from me

[10:54] and there's absolutely no yard in either one

[10:57] but and me you can't do that now though right with the with the 50

[11:02] and uh 125 i bet they probably both fit in that still

[11:07] or maybe you take that 125 percent and decrease that

[11:11] i i just would be just as a as a if i was coming in with a family i

[11:17] would be like where's my yard on my yard i would be uninterested in that house

[11:24] see a lot of home buyers are interested in one of their main things the

[11:27] questions are kitchen bathroom and crush

[11:32] oftentimes when they're looking you know as far as value

[11:39] what would be the process of we leave it at 12 and then someone came in and wants

[11:43] that 1260. is there a camera there's no there's no variance

[11:47] there's a variance okay it's just like a reason i think you'd brought up she said

[11:52] what if they had two lots right but you can't build a garage on a

[11:55] lot in town so you can't just say i'm gonna build a garage on this slot so if

[11:58] someone had two lots they couldn't even do that they have to build a house and

[12:02] then they can build a garage so you know that that even you know we

[12:06] we have those things in place and you know the the issue is like matt says

[12:10] there's a problem with these monstrosity garages the garage mahal issue

[12:15] um and and then do you want your community

[12:18] as a whole to look like a brownstone community

[12:20] which is there's no grass there's no nothing it's just house upon house upon

[12:24] house one house and whatever in the back and then there's nothing there's no

[12:27] green space we're a small town people aren't moving

[12:30] here to to live amongst the sidewalks they want

[12:33] to have some lawn they want to have some grass

[12:36] so i mean a 1200 square foot garage to me seems like

[12:40] it's got plenty of room on it but you know if you're talking about a bigger

[12:44] lot that's what it is

[12:48] because the lots of prairie are bigger than the ones in the city right yeah

[12:52] quite a bit tell them how many exceptions are in

[12:55] town for example i have a three acre and a one acre lot

[12:59] i can only build it you know i could build a large thing but apparently this

[13:02] i can only build on either of those i can only put a

[13:06] 1200 garage on mine right and i think that

[13:11] the houses the newer houses that are built

[13:13] are going to have the attached garage so they're going to be

[13:19] limited width-wise how how big their garage can

[13:22] be yeah because they still have setbacks

[13:25] that they have to abide by does this take into account though if it's an

[13:29] attached garage or is this just separate garage either or either one

[13:39] i think this is gonna i mean i don't think you're gonna have

[13:41] issues with 1200 square foot garages in the new development

[13:46] necessarily because they're going to be they're

[13:49] going to want everybody wants them attached where they wanted to tap it

[13:52] somebody's already submitted plans for bigger

[13:56] which means people are looking at but there's going

[14:00] to be someone that could potentially come to a town and say well i want a

[14:03] bigger garage than that but by by limiting that though and they've got the

[14:07] space by limiting it you're limiting the value

[14:11] then also how much green space do they have remaining

[14:15] they meet the 50 rule

[14:25] i'm going to say the house is probably 1700 square feet

[14:30] 16 or 1700. and there is extra room in that in that

[14:36] example extra

[14:39] above and beyond three cars so it is a generous size i don't think

[14:44] it's so it's it's crazy big but in that case

[14:48] um so we're taking we're looking at

[14:51] changing this number for one particular

[14:56] overall because of prairie meadows because the size of the lots out there

[14:59] but i mean we're getting somebody that's coming through and saying they want a

[15:02] garage that's how big 6 16. 60 60 so in a year somebody else

[15:07] builds and they're going to want one even bigger so we're just going to keep

[15:10] upping this i agree we already have an ordinance in place though at that point

[15:13] in time you know right now we don't have a defined

[15:17] definition and technically because another one the

[15:21] permit application has been submitted this adoption of this ordinance will not

[15:26] be official until it's published so chances are

[15:31] that application will go through because it's grandfathered or whatever term

[15:35] you'll use

[15:43] and we can change this again at a later date

[15:46] if everyone's more comfortable with

[15:50] keeping it at the 1200 and we find out we're having more issues

[15:53] with that then we could always change it again i'm just thinking more and more

[15:57] people if they've got the space want their garages not only their

[16:00] vehicles but men put shops in there they you know they like their

[16:05] wood shops or their lawnmowers their toys their lawnmowers people are getting

[16:08] riding lawn mowers they're getting more and more things that don't fit

[16:11] in smaller garages and if they've got the space

[16:17] if they make the space constraint i don't understand what the problem is

[16:24] because they can't go two-story it's got to stay one story right but i thought

[16:28] that was somewhere where it's gotta be one story they can't go two stars

[16:30] anymore right right and the garages well there's a height limit i don't know

[16:34] they're in height limit

[16:38] so they could still do a barn style garage that they could have

[16:42] storage up above i believe trusses or something which would be

[16:46] so what's your guys's opposition to taking the size up

[16:54] i think 1200 square feet is plenty you know if you just did the math

[16:58] oh just based on that i mean i mean to you it's plenty but maybe the the guy

[17:02] that's building it it just depends where you put it yeah i

[17:06] mean i could think i could give you a handful of houses in town but their lots

[17:10] aren't big enough their houses aren't big enough to support it's terrible but

[17:13] that but then it would be greater than 125 so they wouldn't be able to build

[17:16] and they wouldn't even if they wanted to they wouldn't meet setbacks they

[17:19] wouldn't make setbacks they wouldn't make the 125 percent because those lots

[17:22] are much smaller than the parameters i guess so even if we set that in and we

[17:25] don't want a thousand they wouldn't be able to because their lot wouldn't in

[17:28] the size of their house they wouldn't be able i guess

[17:35] for example if they were to have something like a lot and a half

[17:39] it would allow them to put something a little bit bigger on

[17:42] and it wouldn't look it wouldn't take up the entire

[17:45] yeah like i have i have a lot in the third my garage could be bigger and i'd

[17:48] still make the setbacks and i'd still make everything because i have a lot and

[17:50] a third but

[17:53] my neighbor has two-thirds of a lot where she wouldn't be able to because

[17:57] she wouldn't meet the setbacks she couldn't even have the size of garage

[17:59] that i have because she wouldn't make setbacks or the 50 on it or the 50

[18:03] percent and i think we're seeing i see that some

[18:06] development out there now i don't think we want to discourage that in any way

[18:09] that's what i'm thinking you know we're discouraging and we're trying to hold

[18:12] people back going oh we want you to build here but you know you can only

[18:15] have a little house with a little garage and you know 1200 is a good size you

[18:21] know i guess if you look at what a what a stall would

[18:25] be a garage door is what eight wide and a car is 20 you know even if

[18:31] you call that 10 and they're maximum 20 foot long that's

[18:35] you know 200 square foot per car times three that's

[18:40] 600 so everything else is like extra space for getting in and out of the

[18:44] doors and the shop and everything you're talking about especially but storing

[18:48] stuff in there too well the thing is sitting right inside you can't put a

[18:50] basement out in prairie so you gotta you gotta consider the

[18:54] people that are space because

[18:57] there's no basement so where are you going to store your store in your garage

[19:02] and we encourage people to keep that stuff off of their

[19:06] out of their yards and off the streets and whatever this way it's

[19:10] i don't want to discourage people from building

[19:13] you know i could say i'm looking at the tax side of it is

[19:16] the guy just a little bit bigger that property has a little more value if the

[19:19] house if the house if if the house is big enough to substantiate that that

[19:23] size and that's actually a good size house i mean that's the things too that

[19:26] has to be a good size house to support

[19:29] a 1260 foot garage right right well probably about a

[19:34] thousand square foot because 125 times that so a thousand square foot

[19:39] is big like if you had a two story um but if it's just a one story it's not

[19:43] that big of a house

[19:46] so in most cases it's the it's the number you pick the 1200 or the 1300

[19:50] that's going to control unless somebody had a really small house

[19:54] like 600 square feet or something then

[19:57] they're going to be limited by the 125 or you can change the 125 this is

[20:17] he wasn't weighed in i think like i said you don't want to

[20:21] you don't want to stop people from building that's one thing we don't want

[20:25] to do and i think none of uh i'm thinking for myself i'm not a

[20:28] professional builder knowing what people are building garages now at

[20:31] what sizes they're building you know so i hate i don't i don't like to put a

[20:35] number on something not being knowledgeable on on what it is maybe

[20:38] that's what people are building now is a 1260 foot garage so i mean i hate to

[20:44] i hate to put a number on that i'm not real familiar with people are building

[20:48] but we we want to keep that from the backyards getting these

[20:52] which we already have i understand that point too

[20:56] so we want to keep that down so we don't have these

[20:59] basically two houses who knows what we have on some of these

[21:02] some of these lots with their garages so we have to put something in place so

[21:06] maybe maybe that's the number if that's what i don't know where that number came

[21:09] from or who you know if that's just kind of a standard size

[21:14] it is based on some other cities and um okay

[21:19] actually i think the city of cannon falls or one

[21:22] of the cities had 1500 square feet as their maximum

[21:26] so it was probably on the low end for ultimate max

[21:31] ken falls has different way different building opportunities and that's yeah

[21:35] some cities don't even reference it this way so it's really hard to just compare

[21:40] some cities actually did it based on the lot size

[21:44] a percentage of a lot which

[21:49] is tricky i think it has more to do with the house and the difference between

[21:52] 1200 or 1300

[21:55] that's only a 10 by 10 piece on that garage or shed there nobody's going to

[22:00] walk down the street and notice that difference so the real hang up is going

[22:04] to 1300 just go to 30 but you're going to know the difference in storage space

[22:07] yeah you know what's that but i said but you'd know the difference in storage

[22:10] space if you know that storage walking down the street

[22:14] yeah your lawn mowers and all that stuff would easily fit in you know that and i

[22:18] think now if you're going to spend if you're going to take the expense to

[22:20] build the garage nowadays most people got two three cars

[22:24] they're going to build now you're going to build a three-car garage if you have

[22:27] the room and you're going to think i want to store my mower or whatever

[22:30] inside so you can see where i can well that's in hindsight i would have made

[22:34] mine bigger exactly i don't think mine's big yeah i know what you never have

[22:36] enough room you know i don't think anybody feels they have enough room

[22:39] probably in their their garage but

[22:42] if you're going to go through the expense and the time to do it you're

[22:44] going to build something that's going to hold your

[22:47] people just have more cars and toys now than they had

[22:50] like i said you know guys have shops and yes

[23:07] i make a motion to increase it to 300 square feet make the rest of the

[23:10] ordinance the same move in the 12th the 12 000

[23:16] column for the commercial vehicle

[23:20] for the weight yeah

[23:24] or take that out because like you're saying cheryl you want to encourage them

[23:27] if they had something like that to park in we're not going to go

[23:30] what twelve thousand pounds you know what i mean like a suburban is nine 000

[23:36] yeah it isn't super big like i think compared to some of the vehicles we have

[23:40] today but it's it's going to make it yeah and i think the definition i don't

[23:44] know if it's mndot or somewhere i mean a commercial vehicle starts at the 12 000.

[23:48] so any passenger vehicle suburban even a

[23:51] 350 pickup truck i think was under 10 000 or about there too

[23:58] but i i'm guessing there are cases in town where somebody does bring their

[24:01] work vehicle home or might have i don't know

[24:04] if you guys know any examples but in front of my house

[24:09] yeah do you want to park down the street right

[24:12] now i'll change my mind it doesn't matter

[24:14] he doesn't park a vehicle to remove the not quick seat twelve 000 pounds gross

[24:17] weight and to add these work for the garage

[24:20] maximum 1300 square feet and that part was not from planning

[24:25] commission that came from a definition i

[24:29] got from prior so

[24:38] you have an actual motion out there now yes we are

[24:41] wait a second

[24:44] can you repeat exactly what that was your motion um on the uh

[24:50] ordinance here removing the not to exceed twelve

[24:53] thousand pounds girl's weight okay um and extend the or increase the 1200 or

[24:58] from 1200 to 1300 square feet on the feet on the garage

[25:04] i'll second it any more discussions

[25:07] in favor say hi

[25:12] emotion

[25:22] well these two sections are really the new language so the rest of it should go

[25:26] quicker but do peddlers now um

[25:29] not quite we're still on lots requirements

[25:33] so for residential for the lot requirements

[25:38] our old zoning before we adopted the basic code was very clear it said

[25:42] one dwelling structure per parcel which would eliminate any

[25:47] confusion about whether you can have a second living quarters either in a

[25:52] garage or build a second house or anything like that

[25:56] so that would clear that up the other three on the bottom here are

[26:01] that um any dwelling unit

[26:06] or no dwelling unit should be less than 20 feet at its narrowest so that's

[26:10] making sure that it's you know

[26:14] a stick built house in most cases in residential

[26:19] and that they should be placed on a permanent foundation

[26:22] and that they should have a pitched row

[26:30] so let me ask a question then just because i want to clarify just because i

[26:34] know the question will come up because tony said if you've got so if

[26:37] somebody's got two lots like out in prairie some of the people are buying

[26:40] two lots does it mean only one dwelling structure

[26:44] per partial does that mean only dwelling part dwelling structures can be built on

[26:48] a parcel or only one residential on a parcel can a

[26:51] person build a garage on a parcel or is that limiting it so they can't can they

[26:55] have their garage so you could build a house and this person

[26:58] in their house on this parcel if if that was proposed i would

[27:03] have them go to the county and combine the two parcels into one person

[27:08] okay pretty good process okay okay you're saying if they want to build a

[27:11] garage over on yeah yeah yeah so they want you know a bigger lot so they buy

[27:14] two of them because they want a bigger lots and then they just get them

[27:16] combined we don't have any say in that and

[27:19] whether someone can well they're still limited to that 1300

[27:23] oh no i'm not talking about just making it one person i'm just saying i'm just

[27:26] saying though what if they do buy two you know because there's some of the

[27:29] folks out there that have two what if they want to build a garage on the other

[27:33] one yeah like i don't think there's much expense going to the county together

[27:38] because otherwise if they were remain two parcels and that person lived there

[27:42] with the house in the garage it would be real it'd be easier for them

[27:46] to just sell off the parcel with the garage and unfortunately when those

[27:50] transactions happen they don't need the city's permission for a real estate

[27:53] transaction so by us requiring before we get the building permit that they

[27:57] combine the parcels that would

[28:00] prevent that and we don't have that was my question

[28:03] we don't have any say whether someone can combine two lots i mean if we

[28:06] have a you know subdivision or whatever out there and we

[28:09] say okay we've got 20 lots and someone says well i'm going

[28:12] to buy these two and now we're going down to 19. do we have any control

[28:17] saying no we're not allowing that out there or is that just

[28:20] a county thing they can just do if you purchase two lots you can't

[28:23] control them turning it into one parcel if they request that from economy that's

[28:28] what i'm saying i mean we unless there was something like in

[28:31] prairie meadows if there was something real specific in the covenants that's

[28:34] you know we have our zonings has a minimum lot size i suppose covenants

[28:39] could have a maximum to ensure more lots within the

[28:42] development some of that gets you know i'd have to look into it it

[28:47] gets trickier to enforce so we have to change the covenants and go through with

[28:50] that process i'm just asking the general question so

[28:53] that if we were to i can't even think of a

[28:56] problem but if there was a problem can we say anything does the county consult

[29:00] with us you know do they check covenants and say

[29:03] oh no we can't do that here because they're saying these lots have to stay

[29:07] let's wait for the covenants or whatever or they can just say yep they're two now

[29:11] they're one right as long as they meet the criteria for the county and i and i

[29:14] have it in my office she sent it to me that it has to be under the same

[29:17] ownership um

[29:20] and a few other things and then the county will do that for them so

[29:24] so is that what the e1 is saying is only a house

[29:29] can be built on that where does it say it that you can't put a garage on a lot

[29:34] or do we need to clarify that because that is just saying only one dwelling

[29:37] structure is allowed meaning you can't put two houses on there but it's not

[29:40] saying that you can't put a garage in there part of the ordinance i refer to

[29:43] is there a different that's what i want is there a difference is there a

[29:46] different part that addresses that yes

[29:50] came up in another meeting we had where

[29:54] someone said that about having garage on a lot you say we and i can't remember

[29:58] right if you were there at the time randy steinfeld said

[30:02] that's the ordinance you can't just build a garage on a lot so if there's

[30:05] another piece then we're fine i just didn't know if this was the only

[30:08] sentence dressing together there's another piece it's in the permitted use

[30:11] for a residential district so it says a permitted use is a dwelling

[30:16] and the only place that references a garage is under accessory use

[30:21] so an accessory use is secondary to a principal use so it's not real clear

[30:27] it's knowing how zoning is is written but as long as it's worded someplace

[30:30] else then i'm fine i just didn't know if this was the only way only place that it

[30:33] was worded so then that that's right i mean it would be nice sometimes to just

[30:38] say it very clear so then anybody reading it understands that

[30:42] and i guess we could even

[30:46] add that in here in that e1 so this isn't spelled out then in that

[30:51] other part no i'm talking okay okay

[30:56] no it's it's sort of an assumed that by a permitted use

[31:00] it allows a dwelling unit it doesn't talk about

[31:04] allowing two structures on a parcel but it's not real clear so this clears it up

[31:13] basically you can't have you know uncle fred living out in the garage correct

[31:17] and that's it's been that way ever since we've adapted the basic color

[31:21] it's the permitted use has been

[31:26] not anymore

[31:34] okay so if everyone's okay with the rest of that language i

[31:38] guess we can move on to some of the other sections

[31:41] okay okay so

[31:45] that had to do with the zoning and then the other proposed

[31:48] language is in a section on peddlers solicitors and transient

[31:53] merchants this is a section that's already in the

[31:56] basic code and with the basic code template says is that

[32:00] if you want to license

[32:04] these fedora solicitors and transient merchants you need to

[32:08] adopt a special resolution that says you're going to enact licensing for them

[32:13] i don't know that that happened when you adopted the basic code last time so i'm

[32:17] not recommending we do that i mean a whole another licensing

[32:22] process i don't think is needed i think what

[32:26] would be helpful is is to regulate it in a little bit different way

[32:31] because the licensing would let's say for um

[32:35] the solicitors or you know would give us if they did come in and give us the

[32:40] chance to run a background check if it's a food vendor a mobile food truck it

[32:44] would give us the chance to to make sure we got a copy of their department of

[32:47] health license it would give us a chance to check all

[32:51] those things just so

[32:53] we didn't have anybody showing up on any weekend

[32:57] setting up in town because then we'd have a license and

[33:00] we'd have to go through that process another way to do it would just be to

[33:04] say to look at what houston

[33:07] how it operates now and when do we have transient merchants would be like

[33:12] somebody setting up a truck to sell something and agriculture is exempt in

[33:16] case anyone was wondering so somebody's selling you know farmer's market type

[33:20] stuff that's exempt but if somebody set up shop to sell trinkets

April 13 2015 Houston, MN Council Mtg 1of4

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