[0:13] one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice

[0:17] for all.

[0:21] » Any questions? >> Stay on the line, please.

[0:27] » Can you hear me, Rosie?

[0:35] » Okay, thank you.

[0:39] » [clears throat]

[0:55] » Good evening, everybody. Glad everyone has come to the meeting tonight.

[1:01] I know.

[1:13] Um, I think we're going to wait, I guess, an extra 15 minutes until they

[1:17] get whoever went to the school.

[1:20] Uh, but we'll we'll wait for the public hearing

[1:23] um, a little later. Okay, uh, council, if you've had time to

[1:29] read your minutes. >> I'll get it.

[1:32] » Yep. >> You need a motion?

[1:34] » Actually, I have a correction.

[1:38] » Um, we have to take a motion.

[1:43] » Tammy, you need to speak up because Darwin has the mic.

[1:47] » Speak up, please.

[1:51] All right, page five. Um,

[1:55] under the minutes of uh, of my presentation, it said tell me people

[1:59] that everyone knows job will be closing at the end of December.

[2:03] That's inaccurate. I was sharing a geographic and population

[2:07] presentation that I've been working with Randy Ellis to

[2:11] with Randy Ellis's approval to promote a new buyer.

[2:17] » But you didn't say at the end of December.

[2:20] » But that's not what I was telling presentation.

[2:25] » You didn't say it. It's misrepresenting >> Yeah. Presentation by saying that I was

[2:29] here to say it's closing at the end of December.

[2:32] The point was to promote the fact that people in the community are what makes

[2:36] you getting buyers.

[2:44] » Second the motion as corrected. >> Who made the motion?

[2:48] » I think I made the motion. >> Who made the motion?

[2:50] » Warren. >> I did. Warren.

[2:54] » Pete seconded it. >> Pete.

[3:03] » Roll call.

[3:07] » Up. >> Tammy.

[3:09] » Yes. >> Warren.

[3:11] » Yes. >> Karin.

[3:12] » Yes. >> Pete.

[3:14] » Yes. >> Andy.

[3:16] » Yes.

[3:28] » Okay, I got to say a couple of things here before we start

[3:33] the um public hearing.

[3:37] I'm going to let um Pete give you an update um concerning Matt Zarbo and the

[3:44] questions that were brought up last month um

[3:50] about the cold jam and the water in Wiscoy.

[3:57] » So, everybody remembers last last month Can you hear this? It's all right.

[4:02] » Is that a hold it up? >> The center of

[4:04] » Yep, right in the center. >> Is that better?

[4:06] » There you go. >> Okay, sorry.

[4:08] Uh so, last one uh John brought up the fact that

[4:12] possibly getting water from the co-gen for Wiscoy.

[4:16] Um so, I did talk to the engineer. Um so, it's he he said to set up a plant

[4:22] to treat surface water was about 10 times as expensive as treating

[4:30] ground water. Um and he said the cost of setting up

[4:34] the plant would outweigh the cost of running the line to Wiscoy.

[4:38] Um but so, to be more it's not not feasible to go with the

[4:43] co-gen. Um but then then his also his other

[4:46] concern was now you're getting your water from a private entity and if they

[4:49] close up, you know, what do you do? Where do you get your water after that?

[4:53] Um but the other thing on the water to Wiscoy, we did ask him

[4:59] uh to try and shave some numbers off of

[5:02] things. Um so, what they did was they took fire flow out of the equation. So,

[5:08] the main line going to Wiscoy would be a smaller main line

[5:13] um and also they they brought up the point before was keeping the water

[5:17] fresh. It would keep the water fresher. Um it

[5:20] would save about $150 to $200 per user per year

[5:26] um going with a smaller main line. They would still keep the the line in town

[5:31] big enough so they could add hydrants later down the line if they wanted to.

[5:36] They could add a storage tank and then that would be your fire flow in the

[5:40] future uh if ever wanted. So, there is there is

[5:44] a cheaper option on the EDU's, um but last month we applied for more

[5:51] funding. So, I I think right now we sit tight until we see what what all the

[5:56] funding comes in and then we can kind of make a decision whether to move forward

[5:59] with it or to uh uh you know, cancel the project or or we

[6:05] want to do it. Um anybody got any questions on that?

[6:11] » I'll say. >> Thank you.

[6:12] » What was the estimate? Last estimate you got there, what what

[6:17] would be the total cost per year of water the average?

[6:23] » Of water with the project itself? >> With the project with the

[6:27] payback and the >> I I'd have to look back at my notes,

[6:31] Jim. I'll get that for you, but I want to say it was around $1,000 a year,

[6:35] something like that. >> What's the cost of the pipe?

[6:37] » With the newer rates. >> What's the average water usage?

[6:42] 400 a month per quarters? >> Um on on an average in the US, the

[6:47] average water user uses about 10,000 gallons per quarter.

[6:52] Um so um and we're $12 a thousand currently.

[6:57] So, you're 10 10 * 12 per per quarter on an

[7:02] average. >> 1,200.

[7:05] 10 * Yeah.

[7:07] » 1,200. >> Yeah.

[7:08] » Plus a thousand for the payback. >> Correct.

[7:11] » 200 a year. >> Well, the the the the payback was water

[7:15] included in it was what that that was total cost that

[7:18] the engineer came up with. So,

[7:21] but I can I can look I've got the numbers. I can look up the final numbers

[7:25] if you do. So, just take me a minute. >> Can I can I take a question? Um is that

[7:31] based on like a a two-person household or four or what? Do you know?

[7:36] » Um average it's just it goes up. The average household in the US is what it's

[7:41] it's based off from. >> Just out.

[7:43] » Yeah, it would be about four. >> I've never heard of that 3.4.

[7:46] » And I I took so I did a little project here this last winter

[7:52] or the spring when we were working on water rates and and all that. Um

[7:57] I took our total gallons sold um in the first quarter

[8:03] figured out how many I I subtracted all the businesses, the people that cut

[8:06] hair, the laundromat, the car wash, the school, the stores, subtracted those out

[8:12] of it. So I had a pretty close number to just

[8:16] residential and then divided up what we sold for for water. And it averaged out

[8:22] to be about 10,000 gallons per town unit. Um but we do have we do have a lot

[8:27] of users that don't use 3,000 gallons in a quarter.

[8:30] Um there's there's a third of our users don't use 3,000 gallons in a quarter. So

[8:36] um you know so there's different ways to

[8:40] we're looking at. >> Will you if you find more money to to

[8:44] cover the cost of that, at that point will you then ask the people in Wisco

[8:49] Lake if they're if they're buying in on it or if they're not and then make a

[8:54] decision cuz if they're if they don't want it

[8:56] » That's >> based on cost then why would you bother

[8:58] hearing? >> That's what we've talked is is it would

[9:01] be a vote for just the people in Wisco Lake that are affected by it.

[9:04] » Okay. >> Because if the people in the

[9:07] that are currently on the water system >> They will have no choice.

[9:09] » wouldn't pay that debt service. They pay the debt service they already have. So

[9:14] like so. You would be included in that cuz it'd

[9:17] go by your house. >> So I'd have to pay the $1,000 a year?

[9:21] » Yes. So

[9:24] Yeah, if if you tie it into the water. >> I mean if you don't

[9:28] tie into the water >> you would you would have to pay the

[9:29] usage, but if you don't tie into the water you still have to pay on the debt

[9:32] service because it goes past your property.

[9:35] » So it's $1,000. >> It would be whatever they figured that

[9:38] debt service to be. It wouldn't because if you don't tie in, you won't have

[9:42] usage in debt service. You would just have debt service.

[9:46] » And it depends on what we come up with for funding. Right now, currently we're

[9:49] 70% funding for the project. >> I thought you couldn't go over or

[9:53] something. >> There's There's way There's

[9:56] maximum you can get is 70% of the funding. Um but there are some other

[10:01] grants that will kick in for other things. Also, if the project runs into

[10:07] Say we get heavy the way the engineer explained it to us, if we get heavy on

[10:11] funding, then currently the way the project set up, each homeowner would be

[10:16] responsible for hooking their home into the line. Um

[10:20] so you could build that into the project. So, that part of that would be

[10:23] funded, so the the people wouldn't have to tie in their house themselves. It

[10:28] would be all part of the project, be a done deal. So, that would be covered in

[10:31] the funding as well if we had extra funding if you know, say more grants

[10:36] came through than what we were expecting.

[10:38] » The tie-ins increase the project cost, though.

[10:40] » It would, but that that would be if we had more funding, though. Like, you

[10:43] know, if the the the >> You'd You'd offset that.

[10:46] » You'd offset that with the project. >> you're still going to be only going to

[10:49] get 70%. >> You'd still get 70%, but you would you

[10:52] would include more of the project. So, yeah. So, you have We have to weigh it

[10:57] out how it you know, how it came out and and put that in the public hearing, but

[11:02] so we're still waiting on funding. >> For the debt for the people that were

[11:07] uh you had miscalculated, I brought that up. Last time you guys said 150, and I

[11:13] said it's only 75. Is it What's that number?

[11:20] What do I want to say? Did you recount it with count go through

[11:24] the >> I I did not, John. No. Uh that would be

[11:26] something that we would have to fine-tune

[11:29] » Because you >> for public hearing.

[11:31] » I know when you guys or when they came in

[11:34] and the

[11:35] » [clears throat] >> uh

[11:37] the contractor or not contractor

[11:40] » The engineer. >> Engineer.

[11:42] Came around. He He came up with 150 housing and stuff like that. Was He was

[11:49] counting from partial land, stuff like that.

[11:52] » Vacant lots. Things that could be building lots.

[11:55] » Right. Right. But the water would go in front of

[11:57] » Right. >> And it'd be just as easy not to count

[12:00] them in because you don't have a house there.

[12:03] » Well, they still have to pay on the cost.

[12:06] » Because they have that >> runs past their

[12:08] » They have access to the water so they have to pay the debt service.

[12:12] It's not there. Most of them are empty lots and never had housing on it. And

[12:18] that's where they parcel them off because there was different owners that

[12:23] had owned that piece of property without

[12:26] having a house on it or >> Right. There's There's no house on it.

[12:29] They wouldn't get a water They wouldn't have to pay a water bill, but they'd

[12:31] still pay the debt service. Just like Like Jim was saying, if it runs past his

[12:35] house, whether he ties into the water or not, there's still the debt service goes

[12:40] with it. It's part of the ad valorem. So.

[12:43] » Like in example Andy did not hook into our into the new

[12:48] system of over Clay Bed and but he still has to pay the ad valorem. He does not

[12:54] get a water bill quarterly. Cuz he doesn't use the town water.

[12:59] » Yeah. >> But he pays the ad valorem.

[13:01] » It's on your tax bill. >> And it's on the tax.

[13:04] » And that's something we can't We have no control over that. That's That's the

[13:07] state deal there. That That's how they say you have to do it. So.

[13:13] That's part of the regulations on the state. It has nothing to do with the

[13:16] town. >> So that person with that vacant lot

[13:19] would be paying an ad valorem on the taxes.

[13:22] » Right. >> But like Like we said, I mean, there'll

[13:25] before we get Once we get all the funding figured out, we can figure out

[13:29] how many EDU's there are actual and get the cost figured out. I

[13:35] mean obviously we're not going to decide on anything until we know what we're

[13:39] going to have for funding and what the total cost of the project is. I mean the

[13:42] cost of the project changes every day just because of cost of materials.

[13:46] » Right. >> So,

[13:48] you know, when it's too far to speculate I guess right

[13:52] now, you know, and and that would it would definitely be put to a public vote

[13:57] on whether they yes or no. So, you know, and everybody's everybody's opinion

[14:01] like, you know, Jim decides not to not to tie into it. I mean their opinion

[14:06] counts. So, you know. Even though he's not right in the Wiscoy

[14:10] area, it still affects us. >> Right.

[14:12] » So, it affects myself. So, whether I tie into it or not, I mean the project goes

[14:17] past my house. So, >> So, it wouldn't be an actual vote. It's

[14:20] just a public hearing inside of the referendum.

[14:22] » Yeah. That's right.

[14:25] So.

[14:30] Yeah, that's all I have on that the Wiscoy water right now.

[14:34] You know, feel free to contact me anytime and we'll talk about it. So,

[14:39] I try to stay up to date on it and you know, like I said, we've we're we're

[14:43] a long ways out from making a decision whether to yes or no on it.

[14:47] So. >> You know, when I got my tax bill,

[14:51] they got the $300 for access to water. They told me that was because I had fire

[14:57] hydrant service. I told Jim he doesn't have fire hydrant

[15:02] fire hydrant service, why does he have to pay that?

[15:06] » The the the cost the because it got that be the

[15:10] cost of the project, not the not hydrants itself.

[15:14] So. >> Well, not for me.

[15:16] They're only charging me $300 a year. >> Right.

[15:21] Yeah, I mean I I I think that's you're getting charged the ad valorem, aren't

[15:25] you? Which is the part of the project. I think same thing they any pay is same

[15:29] thing I pay. So. >> So, it had nothing to do with the water

[15:32] lines. >> No, not really. It's just a fact that

[15:35] the line the the public water goes past your house.

[15:38] So, that's uh

[15:44] » Just as an example, we have three parcels on the playback road that are

[15:48] all separately taxed. So, we pay the ad valorem three times but are only metered

[15:52] once.

[15:58] Okay, at this time it's uh

[16:04] 7:16. We need a motion to open the public hearing

[16:08] uh establishing a local law for a torium in the battery energy energy

[16:14] storage system project and data center project in the town of Huron.

[16:19] » So moved. >> I'll second.

[16:23] » Is this the interductory form of the local law or is this

[16:27] you guys voting to adopt to adopt it? All right.

[16:31] » We introduced it last We introduced it last meeting. It consists

[16:35] » Because it's a moratorium it affects the entire town is if you approve it, it's

[16:40] going to be subject to county planning board review because since it affects

[16:45] the entire county under 239 M it's got to go to county review which

[16:51] none of the moratoriums have failed which is just a procedural

[16:56] step it has to go to the county planning board.

[16:59] So. >> And that can be sent after tonight?

[17:03] » Yeah, but when you vote on it you're voting to adopt it subject to review not

[17:07] approval subject to review because even if they were to disapprove it

[17:13] you this town board can under the by supermajority

[17:17] overrule what they what the County Planning Board says. So, it's just

[17:21] subject to the review of the County Planning Board.

[17:24] » [clears throat]

[17:27] » And I can talk to you after or tomorrow and you want me to see the application

[17:32] and all that stuff. All very straightforward.

[17:34] » Okay. >> Did I repeat the motion?

[17:36] » He made the motion and Warren seconded it.

[17:39] » Okay. >> I just call the favor vote.

[17:42] » Tammy? >> Yes.

[17:44] » Warren? >> Yes.

[17:45] » Theresa? >> Yes.

[17:47] » Pete? >> Yes.

[17:48] » Randy? >> Yes.

[17:53] » Okay. Um

[17:55] I have asked Patty McQueen to come and speak with us uh speak with everyone

[17:59] tonight. Uh she's done a lot of research on the uh data centers and the battery

[18:05] and energy storage and she's very knowledgeable on it. So, so thank you,

[18:10] Patty. >> You're welcome.

[18:12] » I'll just got to switch this out. All right, check.

[18:15] » Is there anybody on this? >> Who's

[18:18] » I thought I had my mic. >> From that mic you can use, Patty.

[18:21] » Mhm. >> Okay.

[18:23] » Good. All right. >> Good.

[18:34] » All right, I'll go ahead and take it from here.

[18:37] So, thank you for the opportunity to speak.

[18:41] I've always supported the moratorium for what is considering this evening.

[18:47] AI data centers don't care about this county, the town, the residents of the

[18:54] town, or the world or the America. They see an opportunity to exploit cheap

[19:02] land, lax zoning laws, and a less dense

[19:08] population to complain. That the county IDA

[19:14] may be pushing this should scare all of you.

[19:20] Or they're looking out for the county with solar farms and wind.

[19:25] How many jobs did that industry bring? You can see across the county,

[19:33] many towns are giving or considering moratoriums like this.

[19:40] Uh Alfred and Burns both have one on data centers.

[19:46] Angelica has the whole bass on us problem they're dealing with. And last

[19:53] night Friendship did a moratorium on uh battery storage facilities.

[20:00] Yes, Governor Hochul signed a moratorium.

[20:04] But that's only on large data centers. It doesn't protect the standard.

[20:10] Let's look at the resources a mammoth small data center would use.

[20:17] An AI data center uses 20 terawatts to 1 gigawatt of electricity depending

[20:26] on size. The equivalent of 16,500

[20:33] to 826,000 households on the electric grid that we

[20:40] need right now. Requiring these facilities from the

[20:46] power company for the last part, the financial burden is passed on to

[20:52] commercial and business customers with higher

[20:57] electricity bills. States like Ohio and Virginia

[21:03] are addressing this by implementing block tariffs for large data centers.

[21:10] New York State has no such law. Data 89 data centers are water

[21:18] intensive. With usage spanning from milliliters

[21:24] per query. So, if you ask one question

[21:29] of the of the AI bot, it uses water. Two millions of gallons

[21:36] per day for large facility. The exact numbers depend on cooling

[21:42] methods, energy sources, and operational scale.

[21:48] As AI adoption grows, water consumption is becoming a real environmental

[21:57] and global resource issues.

[22:01] AI data centers consume significant water primarily for cooling.

[22:08] So, the per query usage range from 0.3 ml to 500 ml.

[22:15] That's a single drop of water to two cups for every question.

[22:22] A reasonable extrapolation

[22:26] on an annual basis of a small data center would be 1.2

[22:33] trillion questions per year. So, let's say that we say a cup,

[22:41] you know, go for the middle. That would be 289.

[22:46] 3 billion liters of water per day and the equivalent of 1,250

[22:55] households added to the town of Hume's

[22:59] fragile water system or if they're tapping into groundwater,

[23:04] I assume before wells start drying up. I posted a video on the community

[23:12] Facebook page that is a sound that a small data center makes

[23:19] every minute of every day.

[23:23] The cooling fans of an AI data center have no stop

[23:28] with a great noise of at least 60 decibels. Even a small data center,

[23:35] and I encourage you to listen to it if you have.

[23:39] It's on the town resource page. Now, let's talk about jobs.

[23:44] Someone last night brought up the proposed data center in Genesee County.

[23:50] This is a large data center with a lot of controversy.

[23:56] It seems the only people behind it are a few politicals and a planning and

[24:01] economic development board. They do have the potential for 125

[24:09] jobs. But with the sweetheart deal that the

[24:13] Genesee IDA gives the cost of those jobs are going to be

[24:19] between 6.4 million to 11 million per job.

[24:25] The company has received 1.46 billion in tax breaks, and I cannot find any

[24:34] document or data that guarantees that these jobs

[24:39] will go to Genesee County residents. Other factors? What happens if the AI

[24:46] bubble burst? As Wall Street expects at some point,

[24:51] does construction stop? Are promises unfulfilled?

[24:56] What happens in 10 years when technology has advanced and you don't need these

[25:01] huge facilities anymore? Do they become the new closed Kmart's or abandoned

[25:08] solar fields down the road? A moratorium doesn't mean no never,

[25:14] but it does thoughtfully allow the town board and town residents to have a

[25:21] measured approach to any discussion and consideration.

[25:26] So, I really encourage this board to vote yes tonight.

[25:31] The same thing is true for bus systems. Coming down the road, they will be

[25:37] storing less dangerous batteries than lithium ion.

[25:43] If you look in Google battery storage and battery storage fire,

[25:50] they could promise the town of Hume 500 fire trucks, it won't matter.

[25:56] If a fire starts in one of them in a lithium ion battery storage facility, it

[26:04] burns until it is done. There's a facility in California that one of the

[26:12] commissioners in Friendship went to look at that it's burning still a year later.

[26:20] Lots of ground run off that will pollute the water system.

[26:25] Lots of environmental poisons for the residents of the town,

[26:32] increased problems with asthma and other issues. And again, the town by doing

[26:39] this is just protecting themselves and you so that someone can't sweep in, try

[26:47] to sell to somebody like that previously happened solar

[26:53] and the town is then stuck with an AI data center or a vast system because

[27:01] they weren't protected to prevent the sale. Thank you.

[27:13] Danny, can I ask a question real quick? Does the 125 jobs mean that we're

[27:17] setting one up? No. >> Or is that once it's up, that 125 people

[27:22] run on that? >> No,

[27:24] more people will be in it. Yeah, those are more like the administrative,

[27:30] custodial, security.

[27:33] Mostly these data centers are bringing their own people.

[27:38] » Right. >> And this is a large data center. I mean,

[27:41] this is huge, a huge, huge project.

[27:46] There wouldn't be 125 jobs with a small data center.

[27:50] » And they wouldn't be local. >> Most of the jobs, beyond the unions that

[27:56] do help build it, would be and if your union's big, yay

[28:01] you, but if it's not, uh you know, you don't have an

[28:06] opportunity either. Uh those would be mostly a few

[28:11] administrative, custodial, and security. The lower-paying jobs in

[28:17] the facility, not the programming or maintenance of the data management the

[28:23] site requires. >> For large, general, what is a

[28:27] measurement unit that they use to distinguish between small

[28:32] » It's in the It's in the It's um I would have to look that up. I don't

[28:38] know it off the top of my head. But like a small could be maybe like two football

[28:44] fields. A large could be,

[28:49] you know, hundreds hundreds of uh

[28:54] smalls are 50 ft. Smalls are 50 ft.

[28:58] Uh so, medium maybe 250 ft or larger, but it the large is very

[29:05] large. I would have to look it up, but I could get back to you.

[29:09] » Twin size between a small and >> Yeah.

[29:12] » You mentioned large. So, is that a trough or is there an

[29:17] evaporation factor? Do they recycle a lot of their water?

[29:22] » So, it would depend on the cooling system

[29:26] they use. But there is an evaporation factor.

[29:30] And they try to work that in the pitch to towns.

[29:35] Uh and Erin Brockovich, if anybody's heard of her, has really done a lot of

[29:43] research on this water usage. Um Uh just to say, "Oh, it's self-contained

[29:51] and we won't use that much water." It's not true.

[29:56] Uh and they try to say that um to get over that, but the water does evaporate

[30:04] uh depending on the type of cooling system they use. And I think it's

[30:08] something that this industry is going to have to really look at because this is

[30:14] what is happening in a lot of towns where there has been a data center

[30:20] adopted. If you look at the handout, I gave you a couple of examples of towns

[30:28] that had a data center adopted. And um one of them in Georgia is even looking

[30:35] at how they're going to have to ration their water or they will have real

[30:42] problems in the next decade down the road. And the sites nearest the data

[30:49] centers are having increasing groundwater

[30:54] problems. They have to use a pail to flush their toilets.

[31:00] They have to bring in drinking water because

[31:04] the sediment is so bad. And that's just in the construction phase of the data

[31:12] center that the one town in Georgia is dealing with. So, encourage you to read

[31:19] read that handout. >> The other thing is battery storage

[31:24] systems under state law are considered a public utility. So, you're not going to

[31:29] be able to stop a public utility. The only practical thing that you can do is

[31:36] if the local municipalities want to do this that don't have zoning,

[31:41] you would adopt the zoning law and you establish an area where

[31:47] they could be built. But public utilities, even with zoning,

[31:52] they are afforded under the common law, they are afforded a deferential standard

[31:58] of review. So, you can delay them, but you really can't stop them. And during a

[32:03] moratorium, you just can't say stop it. What you have to do is take proactive

[32:09] steps to say how you are planning to address it

[32:13] as part of your land use policy in the town. Are you going to have a site use

[32:19] plan law? Are you going to establish a planning board? Are you going to adopt

[32:24] or update your comprehensive plan to take into consideration that stuff?

[32:28] Because the court's going to uphold well, just a moratorium, but we're not

[32:31] going to do anything. You have to do something within the time frame of the

[32:35] moratorium to address how you're going to try to appeal that.

[32:39] » What said that recommended in the last meeting was to outline very specific

[32:44] regions to avoid, like the river valley next to a school.

[32:47] » With with zone right with zoning. You do that with zoning. Copy and paste the

[32:51] plan and spot do that. You got that zoning law.

[32:53] » Well, if you made a zoning law and gave it permission at highest place in town

[32:56] away from all the water possible, they're not going to want to come.

[33:01] » You got to be careful about that. Careful about that cuz lawyers slaughter

[33:05] and I could probably figure a way around it.

[33:10] » Cuz they don't have a great source of water.

[33:12] » Correct. So, there's a couple towns over in the Finger Lake region that I

[33:15] represent and so they wanted to do an outright ban and they can't do it. So,

[33:20] let's let's figure out the least attractive

[33:25] » Yeah, that word word it right. >> Right.

[33:30] Plus >> And you have the least 200 children.

[33:41] » They change your patience stuff for a home here. They have to eat too. Self

[33:47] torture with sound. With your sound.

[33:51] They say the sound has changed their lives.

[33:57] » [snorts] >> You said

[34:02] » Yeah, you don't want that in your backyard.

[34:05] » As a tester I'll play it through the fire fire siren and have it turn it down

[34:09] a little bit.

[34:12] And the what what Pat you brought up about the the lithium batteries burning

[34:16] even a car

[34:19] You can't put them out. Um there's there's no possible way unless you you

[34:24] take the whole car and you sink it in about 10,000 gallons of water. And

[34:28] so there's the batteries just burn. Can't keep burning. So

[34:34] » So what you're saying is an electric school bus is not a good idea.

[34:37] » Bad idea. >> That's right. Yeah.

[34:38] » If you If you Google If you Google electric bus fire,

[34:43] and they come up, they're they're pretty

[34:46] scary. >> But don't Google it because you're

[34:48] causing a cup of water. >> Yeah.

[34:51] » Every time you Google. >> That's true.

[34:57] » Does anyone have more questions for Patty?

[35:12] Thank you for that. >> Thank you.

[35:22] » Does anyone from the audience here have any thoughts or questions?

[35:27] Um Frankin? >> [clears throat]

[35:33] » Who would be your planning

[35:38] » Jennifer? Uh if you go back and watch Sunday

[35:42] morning with the Sunday morning show this past week they I think it was this

[35:47] past week or maybe the week before. Sullivan County where my where you still

[35:52] live. And I said to her one day, "What are all

[35:55] these buildings?" Well, they're all battery storage and data centers.

[36:00] They're all windowless. And now people's houses

[36:05] the value is declining. It's like dramatically. And the sound of particles

[36:10] Well, who would want to buy a house with that sound? So

[36:13] that's another little I guess I'll be on the planning. We'd be

[36:17] happy to be on the planning board. Love to.

[36:36] » Yeah. >> It's think you know, if you want to make

[36:39] a difference in the town, you have to get involved. And the way to get

[36:42] involved is to be a volunteer. Get on a planning board and put your say put put

[36:48] your experiences forward, put your community forward. We can't serve on the

[36:51] planning boards as board members. It needs to be community members. So, if

[36:57] this is hits home or hits close to home for you,

[37:01] it's essential that you consider being part of the planning committee.

[37:05] » I would ask if anyone here is interested in that to um

[37:09] go into the town office, let Don know, and um we would um

[37:15] look at getting a board started.

[37:23] » I think uh you know, everybody wants to see our town grow, wants to see it

[37:28] prosper. Uh we want industry, business, whatever

[37:32] keeps people here, um jobs for people, but this isn't the

[37:36] way to do that. Uh data centers are not the future for

[37:41] growth in a community like ours. Um

[37:44] that'd be my opinion today and tomorrow right on through, so

[37:49] um you know, I think like Mr. Buck said, we have to come up with a

[37:53] law but I to back this this but uh I think when we do that, we need

[38:00] to word it very carefully so that it is very difficult for somebody to come in

[38:04] here and put put a data center or a large battery storage in our in our

[38:11] in our community. >> Nelson.

[38:15] » Shepard.

[38:21] » We've had it the public hearing open for uh 15 minutes now. Do we need to go any

[38:26] further any longer, Mr. Buck? I mean

[38:29] » Now, there's no further questions or comments. Now, you

[38:31] » I have a I have a question. >> Certainly.

[38:34] » So, if we were to take part of the zoning

[38:38] board, is that being at the public we can't block it, right? We can't say I'm

[38:42] removing it now. >> can totally not not a

[38:45] data centers have not been classified as that yet.

[38:48] » Oh, okay. >> Battery storage centers are part of the

[38:51] electric grid. >> All right, they are.

[38:53] » Yes. >> So, but are there ways within the zoning

[38:56] board to legally say, "Well, you can't be within so many feet of a water

[38:59] source" or >> If you adopt a zone, yeah. With yeah,

[39:01] when you adopt a zone. >> All right, so you can make it

[39:04] » Right. And then I'll >> impossible to build one.

[39:07] » Well, you can't >> Yeah.

[39:09] » It has to be It can't be You can't structure it so that it's impossible.

[39:13] You can structure it so that it's very restrictive.

[39:16] » Okay. >> And then one of the other things you do

[39:19] is in conjunction with a zoning law, you adopt what's called a site plan

[39:25] review law. So,

[39:28] yes, you can have a project here, but now, under your

[39:34] land use laws, however, when you build it on this site,

[39:38] planning boards are going to establish reasonable criteria. What is reasonable

[39:42] criteria? We learned some of this stuff with solar

[39:46] panel that through the solar farm. Landscape mitigation. I don't want to

[39:50] say it. So,

[39:52] » Okay. >> what you want to do is say, "Okay,

[39:54] you're going to have to build a berm with trees on top of it." And you got to

[39:59] get very specific about the types of trees,

[40:02] how tall they have to be, how often they get watered, how often they get

[40:07] replaced. You can establish a a a trust fund to replace those trees. They have

[40:12] to fund in advance because, you know, >> [clears throat]

[40:15] » our first foray into this was the Dan Wolcott

[40:20] solar farm up on uh >> Mills Mills

[40:23] » Mills Road. Um

[40:26] we had trees in there, but look look at the trees. The trees are

[40:30] all dormant trees. They don't replace them. I want to say that what, 10% of

[40:34] them are dead? They're dead. But now we've learned from that with our

[40:39] most recent solar project that was called Urban Attic Campbell. We

[40:43] established a trust. We made them buy uh >> Speaking

[40:48] » um fire fighting vehicles that have tracks

[40:52] for each of the fire companies and they contribute toward that. But there's only

[40:56] so much money cuz there's there's really battery storage systems in the solar

[41:02] wind are a little bit different from AI. There's a profit motive, but that is not

[41:06] at all about power. That's about tax credits.

[41:09] » [snorts] >> And the reason you know that is a lot of

[41:11] these companies are Canadian and >> Yeah.

[41:14] » that project Dan Wolcott's project has been bought and sold

[41:19] to my knowledge five times since since they built

[41:23] So it's all about swapping these tax credits back and forth. That doesn't

[41:28] contribute anything meaningful. What you really need to have a new theory of

[41:31] solar, especially if you're going to be having these data

[41:34] centers. You're going to have to have that sort of electric generation

[41:38] capability and subsequent transmission capability that they just don't they

[41:43] just don't have it. So but that's how you do it. You can't

[41:46] make it impossible cuz like I said, a clever lawyer will get

[41:49] » we can make it very unattractive. >> Yes.

[41:52] » Yes. Okay. >> Quick key.

[41:54] » Then >> I know.

[41:56] Quick chat.

[42:01] » Claim hardship. They will claim hardships if you try to keep them out

[42:05] without having the law >> Right.

[42:07] » in place. >> Right.

[42:08] » So they'll find a way to come. >> So wording, reasonable and strict

[42:12] restrictions. And so because you're getting into this, a lot

[42:17] of this stuff is really the brave new world.

[42:20] You don't know what the courts are going to uphold. What do you look at what

[42:23] other You You take it what when other people

[42:27] have tried to restrict like really tried to restrict windmills. They used to

[42:31] allow the towns to decide if they wanted to have wind power or not. Well,

[42:37] eventually when Cuomo was in here, he got pissed off with all that and he

[42:40] wanted the money from the solar and wind lobby. What did he do?

[42:44] Well, he made it an Article 10 proceeding and

[42:47] took most of that authority away from the towns and then might have violated

[42:52] municipal home rule law. So, that's the other thing you got to be

[42:55] careful of because eventually if Albany sees there's a lot enough money in it,

[42:59] they're just going to say, "Okay, just like with windmill and solar, eh."

[43:04] Okay, we're going to listen to what the locals have to say. You can have

[43:08] symbolic input, but the state's ultimately going to do what they're

[43:12] going to do. So, if you're too restrictive with all

[43:15] that stuff out here, I mean, they've done it in the last 10

[43:18] years with solar and wind. Now you go through either Article 10 or I think

[43:22] it's now 94-C with projects above a certain megawatt. I think it's 5

[43:27] megawatt. Towns don't really have it. All the

[43:30] approval's vested with the PSU out of Albany.

[43:35] So, but to answer your question, yes, if you decide to do

[43:39] a zoning law, but it doesn't have to be complicated. Zoning law doesn't have to

[43:42] be complicated. You can have three zones.

[43:45] Business zone, which could be primarily uh what was the village of Fillmore.

[43:50] And residential and then the rest of it.

[43:53] Then you say, "With respect to data centers, we can

[43:57] limit size. You got to make sure they contribute to roads and all that stuff."

[44:02] But a zoning law does not have to be all that complicated. It's got to be precise

[44:07] and exact, but it doesn't have to be all that complicated because traditionally

[44:13] uh in the southern tier folks just want to be able to do with

[44:17] their property what what they want to be able to do with their property under the

[44:19] fifth amendment. You got to have that balance. And it's only when things like

[44:24] I mean the last wave of development that prompted municipalities

[44:30] to adopt zoning light or some form of zoning law was Dollar General. They

[44:35] don't want Dollar Generals to sell what? They can't do it. You at least have to

[44:39] have a site plan review law and a planning

[44:42] Otherwise if I want if I own 10 acres, I want to

[44:47] sell that to Dollar General for 3 and 1/2 million dollars, that's my right.

[44:51] And if there's no land use controls in place, that's it.

[44:56] It's cowboy country. So, you got to balance balance it.

[45:01] So, that's why you elect these fellows and

[45:04] fellas.

[45:10] » Anyone else?

[45:17] Okay.

[45:20] Now, we need to go ahead and vote.

[45:24] Yes. >> Well, it's going to the vote is going to

[45:28] be you would adopt it subject to the review by the county planning

[45:34] » [clears throat]

[45:37] » I'll make the motion that Rich suggested.

[45:45] In Rich's words. >> Subject to review

[45:48] » by the county >> by the county planning

[45:50] » Subject to review >> by the county planning. Yes.

[45:53] It's backwards, but we can We don't have to do secrets exempt under

[45:58] a 617.5 236 of the DPC regulations. We do have to do

[46:04] it at 2:39 average.

[46:08] » And we have a second.

[46:11] » I'll second it. >> Starting second.

[46:18] I'll call the vote. Um Tammy? >> Yes.

[46:22] » To accept? Warren?

[46:24] » Yes.

[46:27] » Starting? >> Yes.

[46:29] » Pete to >> Yes.

[46:32] » Mandy? >> Yes.

[46:35] » Okay. Paul Carey?

[46:41] Need a motion to approve the motion of Carey.

[46:44] » So moved. >> I'll second that.

[46:49] » 746 >> They got it in there.

[46:53] » 746 >> Yes.

[46:56] » Pete to make it a second. >> Thank you.

[47:24] » Tammy? >> Yes.

[47:26] » Terry? >> Yes.

[47:29] » Warren? >> Yes.

[47:31] » Pete? >> Yes.

[47:33] » Mandy? >> Yes.

[47:38] » Paul Carey? >> [clears throat]

[47:43] » Okay. So, I'm going to work we had Monday we had an update from

[47:50] on the water analysis. And they had questions. We met with of

[47:55] for about an uh an and a half.

[47:58] And they had more questions, so we had to answer those questions. And we are

[48:02] going to have uh I need a motion for this.

[48:05] Uh a community town hall water rate meeting

[48:13] September 2nd at 7:00.

[48:19] And I hope to be able to get the school. If not, we will be here. And then we'll

[48:23] we'll have that on our website to confirm what place we will uh be at.

[48:30] » You said September 2nd? >> September 2nd, which is a Wednesday.

[48:34] They could not meet here tonight because we moved our meeting up. We asked them

[48:39] if they could come August 26th, uh our our regular second meeting of the month,

[48:44] and they could not be here on the 26th uh 26th, so we decided just to, you

[48:50] know, do a community

[48:53] town hall meeting tomorrow. >> I'll make the motion

[48:57] to hold that meeting. >> Keith made a motion to uh have that

[49:01] on September 2nd. Yes.

[49:06] A second? >> I'll second.

[49:09] » One seconded. Roll call.

[49:15] Tanny? >> Yes.

[49:18] » Warren? >> Yes.

[49:20] » Excuse me, Darlene. I was supposed to say you first. I was going down the

[49:23] line. I apologize. Thank you. Darlene?

[49:27] » Yes. >> Keith?

[49:28] » Yes. >> Andy?

[49:30] » Yes. >> All carried.

[49:34] » And we will have a handout for you that evening.

[49:38] And uh Becky Sims will be there along with Challis.

[49:42] » Memphis.

[49:46] » Uh they've got they've done a lot of work thus far, but there was just a few

[49:49] more things they needed, so um I look forward to

[49:53] uh Mr. Matth Challis, Mr. Matth Challis uh

[49:57] is the other gentleman. So, I look forward to that meeting. So, put that on

[50:00] your calendar and then we'll be on the just water rates. They're doing just

[50:06] water rates right now. Then once they go through that, then they'll be doing the

[50:11] sewer rate analysis.

[50:16] Okay, let's go on to highway, Kevin. >> The only thing I have is

[50:22] uh I got all my paperwork in

[50:25] to the state to get reimbursed for our chips money.

[50:31] And you should see a check for that around September 10th.

[50:42] » Okay, what date the your chips?

[50:45] » September 10th is >> September 10th?

[50:47] » Should be in by the 7th of August. >> For your chips within the year?

[50:53] » Yeah. >> Okay.

[50:55] » That's That's all I have. I'm just going to

[50:59] throw maintenance in this past.

[51:02] » Okay. Uh we'll go on to museum.

[51:05] » Um I'm going to start with a technical note and I noticed on that Hume-Muscol

[51:10] website they posted a link to that Filmer-Hume info. I hope you're running

[51:16] virus software. Norton has labeled it as a malicious website that has tracking

[51:23] information and it's going to download all kinds of crap on your computer for

[51:29] pop-ups or whatever. Um and I'm not the only one that got that message flagged

[51:34] by my when I went to click on it to see what was there. So, if you are not

[51:39] running virus software and you've clicked on it, then you really need to

[51:43] have your computers checked and get some virus software on it because it is

[51:47] you know, it it has malicious software embedded in it. And I think that's

[51:51] probably how he's making his money. Um as far as the museum goes, we are

[51:56] trying to match up items with the donated list so that we can get ready

[52:00] and move upstairs. Rosemary has been coming up and helping me. I had an email

[52:06] from a community member about fundraising for the museum. As a

[52:10] historian, I cannot raise funds. We need to have a historical society in order to

[52:17] raise funds and create um money for items for the museum and other

[52:23] historical projects in the community. So, um we've had a couple of meetings.

[52:27] Rosemary's been the only one that showed up. We had them published in the a

[52:31] monthly newsletter. Um and I'm going to, you know, get some

[52:36] more dates out there after the end of August and um

[52:41] all I can say is the only way we're going to get the museum open and get it

[52:44] interactive and get it going is that it's going to have to be a community

[52:48] effort. It cannot just be me or Rosemary or one or two people because it is a

[52:53] tremendously large project to get it to where we want it to be.

[53:00] Okay. Um and that's basically what we're doing

[53:03] there. >> Okay, I know on the the lift

[53:08] we got the carpentry part of it um approved.

[53:13] Uh we've got to wait for the Spectrum to come and install the phone line in the

[53:18] lift because there is a phone. If someone is unable to raise it lower or

[53:23] get stuck in the middle, they have a way of contacting somebody on the outside.

[53:27] So, we're waiting on Spectrum to do that. Then the

[53:31] um lift people will come up to Syracuse and inspect it with the weights. And at

[53:36] that time they will be showing us how to use the lift.

[53:41] » Do you have a time frame on it? >> Um

[53:44] well I'm going to be gone so they said they would contact me when

[53:48] I got back. And that would give Spectrum time to

[53:52] come and and put in the phone line.

[53:58] » Justice. >> Status quo.

[54:00] » Status quo. Our judge is on vacation for this

[54:04] for this month so there won't be a >> There will not be a DA day in August.

[54:10] No, not that till September. >> Okay.

[54:21] Okay, now we're going to go into the community forum.

[54:27] First on the agenda is Dave Stenzel.

[54:32] Dave, you have 5 minutes. >> All right, I'm Dave. I'm going to ask

[54:35] that you use the mic so that we record it, please. Thank you. And if everybody

[54:39] could speak up, I'd greatly appreciate it.

[54:42] » Got to my issue with the laundromat and we had to reimburse

[54:47] for all damage.

[54:49] » So >> and uh Darlene looked into it. Insurance

[54:52] company said it wasn't even posted on the website.

[54:57] I don't know when it was or when it was on the website. Was it a half an hour

[54:59] before or was it a day before? I don't know. Um I have a letter here I'm going

[55:02] to give to the town. I'd like to introduce it and

[55:05] ask for a

[55:10] How do I put it? I can I can actually I'll just read the letter, it'll be

[55:12] easier. Uh business owner relies on the delivery of clean water to provide a

[55:16] quality service to its customers and to guarantee that no damage to the

[55:19] customer's personal belongings or businesses' equipment happens again,

[55:23] I'm requesting the board try to enact a policy of notifying businesses that rely

[55:28] on water for their operation and also the school for certain health reasons

[55:33] prior to any change in water flow direction or excessive use of water that

[55:37] may happen which could potentially stir up iron in the system. Uh this could be

[55:42] accomplished by uh simple phone call group or text group, uh a Facebook page,

[55:48] uh so the water it will not it's not going to affect the water department's

[55:51] ability to perform its work, whether it's planned or emergency. I'm willing

[55:55] to go out and go to the businesses, get all the numbers, do whatever we got to

[56:00] do to do this, but I lost 8% of my profit for the year in

[56:07] one day. 8% one day.

[56:11] And that's not the first time it's happened.

[56:13] Um I can claim it on my insurance, but I have a deductible. Talk to insurance, he

[56:17] said, "Okay, you're going to have your deductible. We still have we're not

[56:20] going to get it all back because the deductible's not not I And then our

[56:24] policy's going to go up. So, I'm not sure why I have insurance because why

[56:29] claim it if your policy's just going to go up? You know, we already discussed

[56:32] that with the insurance agent. But this is just I'm willing to do the legwork on

[56:36] this to get a to get the group together because I know the car wash we want, I

[56:39] know Sarah the bakery want, and I know the school um

[56:44] they they weren't in session at time, but [clears throat]

[56:46] iron is a secondary contaminant. There is no

[56:49] ill health effect as a norm, but when the water was coming in that day, I can

[56:54] guarantee you there's some child who drank that water, they would have had

[56:57] intestinal problems that night. Guarantee.

[56:59] It was like coffee coming in the building.

[57:01] So, not only protect the businesses, I want to protect the kids, anybody who

[57:05] would have drank that water by mistake. I mean, cuz a kid if he drinks out of a

[57:08] drinking fountain or something, I don't know what they have at school anymore.

[57:10] They don't drink at fountains, they have water stations, whatever they call it.

[57:13] So, but now I'm willing to do the legwork on it. It's just something I

[57:16] wish you guys could you know, approve or look into. You know,

[57:20] next next month is fine, just something I want to make it where

[57:24] a text goes out to all of us quick. Because if I were to shut my business

[57:28] down for the hour till they cleared it up,

[57:31] I wouldn't have lost any money at all. My customers are going to come back and

[57:35] I'll pay later. It's not a problem, but I lost I lost

[57:39] over $1,000 in one day. And that's the second time

[57:41] it happened. The last time this happened was the last time they had a leak across

[57:44] from your house. When they leak there

[57:47] no notification. I mean it was an emergency, I

[57:49] understand, but I would have shut down. And I had four people that I had

[57:53] reimbursed at those four back then. And that was it wasn't as much.

[57:56] Unfortunately, we had one guy who had Ariat shirts.

[57:59] If anybody knows what an Ariat shirt is, they're a hard to hard shirt. They're

[58:03] 100 bucks a piece. But now I got a letter here. Hand it to

[58:07] you. If you If you introduce it in, it would be great.

[58:10] Um That's

[58:12] All I have and I thank you very much. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Dave.

[58:15] » Thanks, Dave. >> Um Dave, I can put out a an email to the

[58:20] New York alert to try to uh

[58:24] set up with them. We have to be eligible for it, so that's what they're looking

[58:28] at. >> All right. If not, do something local.

[58:31] Like I said, I'm willing to do the legwork.

[58:33] » Okay, thank you very much. >> If you want to do the local, I'd like to

[58:36] review that. How much exposure to the town is and

[58:39] discuss it as well with the insurance >> Say that again to me.

[58:44] » Before you adopt any policy, I want to look into that and I want to also

[58:48] discuss it with the insurance company and make sure

[58:50] » Yes. Yes. Richard?

[58:53] » I have a I have a question for you, David. Can you This is a new number this

[58:56] is for your party here. Very You probably have it here.

[59:00] » Yes. >> Uh I have a good friend that owns a

[59:02] laundry mat. He has to have a filter system.

[59:07] You don't You don't have a filter system?

[59:09] » No. And I don't have that. >> There's no There's no

[59:12] uh requirements that make you have >> Correct. No, there's no requirements for

[59:16] a filter system on a laundry mat. And a system on a 2-in line coming in and on a

[59:21] that day it happened to be busier busy and the system that size would cost me

[59:28] probably between 30 and 50 thousand dollars.

[59:31] And a little business like that can I I can't.

[59:33] » I I understand. I'm just bringing it to your Yeah.

[59:36] There's something figured in there. I heard that you had put in this, but I

[59:40] just I I didn't know if >> No. No, no, no.

[59:44] » Cuz that would have saved a lot of you. >> Oh, sure.

[59:47] » I I I understand that you know. But same

[59:51] I have to have a small filter system on mine and no water meter. Ours is an

[59:55] equipment. So, I'm just

[59:57] » Okay. >> going

[59:59] » Okay, next on the docket is Bill and Kathy Brewer.

[1:00:15] » You can use this one, too, if you want to.

[1:00:17] » Well, I want >> He can have one.

[1:00:18] » I'm going to let him talk. I [clears throat] don't know where I'll

[1:00:22] start. Um first of all, Bill and I are here at the direction of Tammy Potter in

[1:00:27] the clerk's office who said when there's an issue like ours that we have to

[1:00:32] present at the board. So, here we are. >> Kathy, can you hold the mic away?

[1:00:36] » Okay. Thank you. We're here at the direction of Tammy

[1:00:40] Potter from the town clerk's office who said this is procedure for our concern

[1:00:46] such as ours. We are here tonight to ask for

[1:00:50] assistance in correcting our water bill for the last two quarters, January

[1:00:55] through June. We have paid the current bill of $539.13

[1:01:02] under protest hoping that now that we have consulted Corey Potter and an

[1:01:07] outside water expert that you will hear us out on our situation.

[1:01:12] At first we thought the bills since January something to do with the upping

[1:01:17] of the sewer and water charges. And of course, this is a minor part of it, but

[1:01:23] after examining the situation, it has become evident that there were other

[1:01:27] considerations. For instance, we are two people in a

[1:01:31] household. National average is 50 gallons per day usage. We do two loads

[1:01:38] of wash a week in our efficiency washer. We do one load of dishes every other day

[1:01:43] using 5 to 7 gallons of water. Two showers a day generally average 6

[1:01:50] minutes. Flushing toilets for long duration, and

[1:01:54] all of our yard is watered by rain water and rain water from rain barrels.

[1:02:00] Our entire house was then checked for leaks, and there were none, including

[1:02:04] toilets by 5 to 4 minutes. Our water softener used 5 gallons two

[1:02:11] times a week for regeneration. And as it happened, we called again. He

[1:02:18] came to our house, and was soon to notice our outside meter was

[1:02:23] non-functional. And our inside meter was also frozen and

[1:02:29] non-functional, and was at least 24 years old.

[1:02:35] We had no idea how long the meter was actually non-functional, and wondered it

[1:02:40] was how long was not tested and put in for our usage.

[1:02:45] Corey immediately installed a new meter, and we put in average averaging 27 to 50

[1:02:52] gallons a day. He tells us on monitoring those each morning and

[1:02:57] our figures. It is difficult to say how many gallons

[1:03:01] the actual home actually uses a month, as the readings are often down, like on

[1:03:06] the 25th of the month, but then that extra gallons will be on the 12th of the

[1:03:11] next week. Tammy at the clerk's office noted that

[1:03:15] the average two-person house is between a $250 and $300 bill right now. And our

[1:03:24] the other house is on the right street.

[1:03:28] I know that you say you can't compare it, but we compared it to many loads of

[1:03:33] wash and when you're done, how many grandchildren are in our house and how

[1:03:37] many in that house. We will gladly pay something we have used and all of us

[1:03:42] have, but there is something wrong with our water billing. Your attention to

[1:03:46] this matter will be appreciated. We need to know when our meter was actually

[1:03:52] stopped and why and how estimates were able to be done as our water

[1:03:58] bill went up when we were working from home lately.

[1:04:03] Thank you for listening. And um

[1:04:06] » So, y'all all passed away last year. This favors some

[1:04:10] people in Charlotte. This is a list of water bills

[1:04:13] for the last 9 years. And uh you'll see that it's pretty

[1:04:17] balanced. It's my

[1:04:20] especially Mr. Norman who used this spring water so much.

[1:04:23] And uh our meter was it was part of the time where because

[1:04:28] they were in school still. And after 2019, they didn't live with us.

[1:04:33] So, there were four people at one time, but

[1:04:36] after that, you know, it went up. And we had a couple of spikes here and you can

[1:04:40] look at this this way. In the back of the video,

[1:04:44] the last year, at the very end where we had a big bill.

[1:04:48] We got hit with sure a couple of large ones in there. And I don't know whether

[1:04:52] that's because of uh the meter was in work. You don't know

[1:04:57] how long it was cuz it's 24 years old. There used to be a place to read this.

[1:05:02] And uh So, when I took this off the wall,

[1:05:05] excuse me, finish. And this is the outside of the meter.

[1:05:09] Nobody said I had to pay this with the inside

[1:05:13] except quarterly. That one time. So

[1:05:18] as he's out you can look at them. If you have questions you can ask me.

[1:05:22] » [clears throat]

[1:05:25] » Thanks very much. You're welcome, too.

[1:05:56] Thank you, yes.

[1:06:04] Eric Delson.

[1:06:11] Thank you, Darlene.

[1:06:18] That's very well. Hey, we're going to motion to go to the

[1:06:23] table this until we have time to take a look at this.

[1:06:27] So we need a motion. I'll make a motion to table the brewers water issue.

[1:06:33] I'll second that. Who second it? Pete, Andy. Andy.

[1:06:39] Did you table um To to look into it.

[1:06:44] Look into it further. Table the brewers water situation until we have time to

[1:06:48] take a look at it.

[1:06:51] Um

[1:06:54] Roll call. Darlene. Yes.

[1:06:58] Danny. Yes. Lawrence. Yes.

[1:07:02] Pete. Yes. Andy. Yes.

[1:07:06] So Terry, thank you.

[1:07:10] Okay, next on the community forum is Linda Deegan.

[1:07:18] Hello.

[1:07:21] Thank you for the holes. I'm going to sit down here for a minute. Um

[1:07:24] And first I want to say this is part of

[1:07:27] talking about what I have to say is about the community being involved. And

[1:07:31] so when Dave said up When Dave said I will be the feet to do that, to take

[1:07:38] care of finding phone numbers and stuff, that's what we need. We need citizens to

[1:07:42] step up and help with the issues. I appreciate that a lot a lot. Um and when

[1:07:48] Sarah Sardina talked to you at the end of the last board meeting and she said I

[1:07:51] was there and she said, "Could you do that? Put the phone numbers down and

[1:07:55] call us all up?" At that point I'm going to say the same thing. Sarah, maybe you

[1:08:01] could put a list together and then they could put it out there or whatever. Um

[1:08:06] so community involvement is great. Um and when you're looking about um

[1:08:12] a planning board, I have paperwork to help planning boards here um and

[1:08:18] responsibilities, um town laws uh 271 creation membership

[1:08:23] training for planning boards. So if anyone is interested like uh

[1:08:29] Jen said she'd be interested in doing that. So I've got the paperwork for

[1:08:32] that. Um and then I can hand them hand out you can pick up the priorities for

[1:08:38] the community. Um it was a survey that was done in 2020 three four. Um the last

[1:08:45] planning committee uh was 2010 and the paperwork was put out.

[1:08:50] Um and some folks here I was on the last one. I think Rosemary was on the

[1:08:54] planning um committee, not the planning board, but

[1:08:58] um coming up with priorities for the community of what we need. The 10-year

[1:09:02] the 10-year plan and the 10-year plan. Daryl was on it, too, the first time in

[1:09:06] 2010. Eliana, Greg McCord, oh, there were several gentlemen on it. Um,

[1:09:12] and so, this is what has been put out. Now, if we they had at the board meeting

[1:09:17] in January, a year ago January, um, here Daryl came and spoke to

[1:09:24] the community here. Um,

[1:09:27] there were some people here from the from the committee I've been on, Rev

[1:09:32] William, and a group for 5 years trying to do extra

[1:09:35] things in town that maybe the board doesn't can't do, it doesn't have time

[1:09:39] to do, and we have to rely on the board for some things

[1:09:43] that have to be legally done if we're trying to do something.

[1:09:47] Um, and so, this was discussed at that board meeting, and here made a point of

[1:09:53] saying, "The things on this list that the

[1:09:58] community members asked for in a survey need to be implemented

[1:10:06] by the community. And then it can be run through the town

[1:10:11] board." Um, so, if you picked one up, um, the

[1:10:16] first one on the list was we need medical services in the area.

[1:10:21] Um, that's done.

[1:10:24] Um, it's not going to happen. So, number two, um, we need senior citizens senior

[1:10:29] housing. Um, I went to a meeting on housing at the Crossroads,

[1:10:36] um, with the county legislators, with

[1:10:39] supervisors, with Jason Iserman, who's head of the land bank.

[1:10:45] Kier Doran, Stacy Berasley, um, people there were there representing

[1:10:49] school districts, um, and we're thinking about housing because some of the school

[1:10:54] districts are talking about children and families that are living in cars

[1:10:58] and living in campers. And the shape of what's happening at

[1:11:03] schools right now. Um so they were talking about housing um

[1:11:07] and this this number two on the list of senior housing in this community has if

[1:11:14] you can read it here it's come up before. It's been discussed in 2010 it

[1:11:18] was a priority. Um and here we are 16 years later and

[1:11:22] we're again looking at senior housing. I went to a

[1:11:27] a seminar on uh

[1:11:30] grants uh state grants, county grants, whatever at

[1:11:34] um the Cuba library a few weeks ago

[1:11:38] um and money's available. They told us to not call it senior housing and

[1:11:43] instead call it elderly housing. I'm not sure why but anyway so there there is

[1:11:48] money out there. We had to become a pro-housing community in order to tap

[1:11:52] into some of those funds. So I asked Darlene and she

[1:11:57] would do the paperwork for to make us a pro-housing community.

[1:12:01] Ashley said that the county I've talked to her several times and met with her.

[1:12:05] She helped Darlene put that together and then at one of the board meetings a few

[1:12:09] months ago they voted to yes accept that we are pro-housing community to get

[1:12:16] funds. Um so you can see on the list um some of

[1:12:20] the things that they wanted um the community put together and there's

[1:12:24] the signers to have. Um And on the the community vision I've got

[1:12:31] some other papers but this was on the website also.

[1:12:35] They We want to foster community pride. Um we want to provide support to

[1:12:41] residents to help clean up properties. Um we want senior housing it's a high

[1:12:46] priority. We want to showcase and enhance Hughes history.

[1:12:51] Um All right. Um

[1:12:55] affordable housing is a top priority. Um in addition, the lack of senior housing

[1:12:59] will push aging residents, many who lived here for decades, to seek housing

[1:13:04] outside the area. We don't want that. Um

[1:13:08] so we need to create a business plan with market research, um tax incentives,

[1:13:14] and market ideas to get developers to come in the area.

[1:13:18] This has been something that I have tried to work on for a while now. Um

[1:13:24] and bring it up often at our regular Fillmore Friends of Hue meetings, and

[1:13:29] try to talk to several people in the county

[1:13:32] about what they can do senior housing here, elderly housing. Um

[1:13:37] and um under community resources, um

[1:13:42] what is uh in the list of things that we want to

[1:13:46] do, strategies, would be expand the water sewer to attract developers,

[1:13:50] expand water districts into Wiscoy and Rossburg, provide residents with

[1:13:54] resources to maintain properties and remove blight, recruit volunteers for

[1:13:59] emergency fire and emergency services, as well as community organizations.

[1:14:03] There's such a lack of that. I mean, Jen will tell you about that as a EMT worker

[1:14:08] that they're they need We need help. Um

[1:14:12] also, recruiting volunteers. Also, working

[1:14:15] with the University of Rochester, um more or less providers to expand medical

[1:14:20] services into Hue. That was a wish.

[1:14:24] Um let's see. And foster balance between

[1:14:27] development and rural character. Um we need oversight for land use development,

[1:14:32] site plan reviews, and other land regulations.

[1:14:35] Um and we discourage development of farmland on the flood plain. And there

[1:14:39] will be some new flood plain

[1:14:42] numbers coming out of lake areas in 2027 from the county, um

[1:14:47] that I was told I heard that will not make some people happy.

[1:14:51] Um, because property is slowly changing.

[1:14:55] That So, I talked to 2 months ago I talked to

[1:14:59] David Cartwright in person. We sat down and talked. Um,

[1:15:04] he did not know there was going to be an audit done. I said you could have saved

[1:15:08] yourself some money and everything else because an audit will show you where the

[1:15:12] discrepancies are. But what he is telling me now

[1:15:15] I talked to him Sunday. Um, he said well on that website that people can look up

[1:15:21] it has malicious I know what I'm saying is he said to me he said said tell

[1:15:26] people to get on there and look at it. And then we might put it on. So, I did

[1:15:30] not put it on. >> Um,

[1:15:32] » Your five is up. So, if you just take your time.

[1:15:34] » So, so anyway, I'll I'll I'll finish it. Yeah. So, so when I talked to to David,

[1:15:41] I said if you're coming back here to live,

[1:15:44] here are some things that you can work on. Take your time and I don't know if

[1:15:47] you want to come back here. This is what the people in this community ask for.

[1:15:51] These things. And so, um, if you're coming back, let's work on some of those

[1:15:56] things. So, anyway, thanks to everyone that does

[1:16:00] things in the community and that's trying to

[1:16:04] make this a better place for even the youngsters. Um, and there are sacrifices

[1:16:08] to be made. There will be sacrifices to be made.

[1:16:14] » Thank you, David. >> Yeah.

[1:16:16] » You carried the list.

[1:16:23] » Next on the community forum is Tom Bauer.

[1:16:38] You want to stand in front of the camera from the system? That's fine.

[1:16:44] Oh. >> lots of

[1:16:47] » I'll post in person in the spring. >> Yeah, right. Yeah.

[1:16:49] Tony, last month you mentioned something about the fire contracts and in saying

[1:16:54] and where was that deep down? >> We're doing them tonight.

[1:16:58] We're voting on them tonight. >> Okay. I did look into that.

[1:17:03] Though, fire protection contracts shall not be entered into until a hearing has

[1:17:07] been held by the town >> Okay. Um you really need to

[1:17:09] » Can you get a I mean directional mic? >> Yeah, that's always

[1:17:15] Ready?

[1:17:18] » Okay. >> If we're going to do this.

[1:17:20] Um fire protection contracts uh shall not be entered into until a public

[1:17:24] hearing has been held by the town board for town law

[1:17:27] chapter 62 article 11 section 184 paragraph two

[1:17:31] and the town board by resolution determines contracts in the public

[1:17:35] interest. Paragraph one section 184 paragraph

[1:17:38] eight. Now

[1:17:39] » Here here. >> The only reason that I bring this up is

[1:17:44] as Linda mentioned and everyone knows that we have a real problem uh manning

[1:17:50] the ambulance in the fire. >> Doing what again?

[1:17:53] » Manning the ambulance in the fire. >> Oh, yeah.

[1:17:56] » And so I mean that's the purpose of the public hearing is so we can have a

[1:18:00] community discussion just like with the fire and just like we did with battery

[1:18:05] and and the

[1:18:08] AI and nonsense. Uh so, but and and no

[1:18:11] one's here to criticize anyone, but we just got to get it out there and admit

[1:18:15] it. We got a problem.

[1:18:17] And other towns have addressed the ambulance. The county does contract MTS

[1:18:25] as backup service for the entire town. And if I recall right, there's a $1

[1:18:30] million line item county budget. And so we really should make better use

[1:18:35] of that in my opinion, and and how empty our page for transporting

[1:18:41] on the initial page. And so in case we can't go out here, but they're what

[1:18:46] human Again, that is for the public hearing. And we can, you know, have put

[1:18:51] these things out there, these gossip. So, I would urge that the town can

[1:18:56] comply with home loan net issue. So, also,

[1:19:02] Mr. Towns, on the water issue, and obviously we need to do something there

[1:19:08] to alert people when there's a problem. Uh but

[1:19:12] we really need to get to the root problem.

[1:19:14] Why is the water so discolored with the iron bacteria?

[1:19:21] And as for my it was the iron and the lead. So, once the system is

[1:19:25] contaminated with these possible lead and iron bacteria,

[1:19:28] » Iron is actually an iron bacteria. It's hard to tell if you have iron bacteria.

[1:19:32] The only way you're going to know that is if your water pulls when it boils. If

[1:19:35] you don't get iron bacteria, I I I've I've never seen it as an iron bacteria.

[1:19:39] It's just a a fair iron problem. It's just a That's a high concentration of

[1:19:43] it, which the states that their MCLs are

[1:19:47] secondary, not a primary. And so, >> Right. And and to get to the root

[1:19:51] problem, to assure that you don't have a problem,

[1:19:55] you probably Right. As a community, we need to get to the root problem,

[1:19:59] which is flushing the system. Uh I I know I was thinking I don't

[1:20:04] really want to flush it. You know, one of the fighting lines is

[1:20:07] holding the money here, baby.

[1:20:12] That's why MCLs are put on secondary, and iron is secondary, and and water is

[1:20:18] secondary. Um so, in a long run, the primary advice

[1:20:22] is that you need to ensure that people's property is ruined in the basement. So,

[1:20:26] So, we need to get to the root of that problem.

[1:20:29] I know it's great, but we need to get to the

[1:20:33] real problem first. So, and then lastly, I just wanted to

[1:20:38] kind of remind you that you work at the PD.

[1:20:41] » Savage. >> A lot of groups.

[1:20:44] I don't mean to call him names, I just criticize him when I come here.

[1:20:47] » Totally. >> You have to be honest here.

[1:20:49] » Thank you. >> I appreciate it.

[1:20:52] » Thank you. >> Thanks, Nolan. Uh Todd.

[1:20:56] Could I have that uh could I have what you had there, that law? You have that

[1:21:00] written? >> Yeah.

[1:21:06] » Sure, Mr. Buckman. >> Yeah.

[1:21:09] Do you want to take a quick look? >> Sure.

[1:21:10] » Cuz I was going to do the contracts tonight.

[1:21:14] Show him what it is. Thank you.

[1:21:20] Did he have Did he have a right?

[1:21:23] » No, that's fine. Go on.

[1:21:27] » Thank you. >> Yep. Jim's got us covered.

[1:21:29] » Yeah. >> Thank you.

[1:21:30] » Um >> You keep sitting here.

[1:21:32] » Okay, that's it for the meeting forum. Um so, I'm going to go down to the dog

[1:21:38] control officer, which isn't here tonight, right?

[1:21:42] » Mr. Chief, the dog control officer. >> Okay.

[1:21:45] Um we did we have a report in here, but we also um

[1:21:50] had an inspection of the kennel

[1:21:55] um unsatisfactory.

[1:21:57] But, she is now naming the town that she's unsatisfied with them.

[1:22:03] » Who was that again? >> I'm sorry, I can't

[1:22:06] » Okay. Um which I appreciate that because she

[1:22:09] would never before name the who was doing the problem and what the problem

[1:22:13] Well, we know what the problem is. Conditions on the shelter and then poor

[1:22:18] record keeping for the town. Uh that she named there.

[1:22:23] So, um

[1:22:26] And he passed his inspection Richfield so

[1:22:31] we're we're good there. Rich do you have anything for legal that

[1:22:38] you could >> No no nothing that's

[1:22:43] been asked by me to look into it now.

[1:22:45] » Okay. Town clerk.

[1:22:48] » I got no permits. >> And

[1:22:51] any licenses are out? Yes it's been busy with the hunting

[1:22:55] licenses yeah.

[1:22:58] All right. Now to the supervisor do I have the

[1:23:01] privilege of doing our fire contract Mr. Buffalo?

[1:23:05] » I don't know correct.

[1:23:08] » Okay.

[1:23:13] » I don't see any exception for a renewal someone someone renewal right?

[1:23:17] » It's a renewal. >> Yeah I don't see any exception for a

[1:23:20] renewal I don't know. >> So we need to do a public hearing next

[1:23:22] meeting? >> Yes yes that will be with notice.

[1:23:25] » With notice okay. >> Make sure you get an affidavit of

[1:23:29] publication for that in the newspaper.

[1:23:35] » Did you hear him?

[1:23:38] Okay we need a motion then for um

[1:23:42] » For public hearing? >> Public hearing for the

[1:23:45] firemen's contract for September

[1:23:51] 8th 9th? >> Is that our regular meeting?

[1:23:54] » Yes that that will be our regular meeting. Yes.

[1:23:57] » September 9th. >> September 9th.

[1:24:00] » I'll make a motion. I'll for September 9th.

[1:24:05] » I'll second that. >> Andy second?

[1:24:17] Vote to accept Arlene. >> Yes.

[1:24:20] » Uh Tammy. >> Yes.

[1:24:23] » Warren. >> Yes.

[1:24:25] » Pete? >> I abstain from the 10.

[1:24:27] » Pete abstain.

[1:24:31] Who abstained Andy?

[1:24:34] » Yes. >> You?

[1:24:38] So carried. >> Okay.

[1:24:41] Um We had an update the other day the

[1:24:44] gentleman came in from the um bridge over on County Route 4.

[1:24:50] Uh, they will be switching to the other side in about 2 weeks.

[1:24:55] I wanted people to know this. And um

[1:25:00] I've been asked several times where are they getting their water?

[1:25:05] And I asked him. And he said the river.

[1:25:09] He said I'm just letting you know the water's

[1:25:12] not coming from us.

[1:25:15] Okay? Um

[1:25:20] » [clears throat] >> Good work, power and water and

[1:25:23] » I can see it. I got the pump right down on the side.

[1:25:28] When we get that set >> Did you drink your water?

[1:25:33] Motion to pay all bills. >> I think second motion to pay all bills.

[1:25:38] » Pete motion to pay all bills. I second

[1:25:42] Tanny second the motion.

[1:25:51] It's seven bills. Darlene?

[1:25:54] » Yes. >> Tanner?

[1:25:58] » Yes. >> Warren?

[1:25:59] » Yes. >> Pete?

[1:26:02] » Yes. >> Andy?

[1:26:04] » Yes.

[1:26:06] » So carried.

[1:26:10] » Okay. Now I would like a motion to adjourn.

[1:26:15] » I will make it. >> Oh.

[1:26:17] » Yes, ma'am. >> Just wanted to let you know the town

[1:26:19] hall is available September 2nd if you want to have the meeting here for that.

[1:26:23] » Okay, well then let's just plan that. Add the firehouse so that

[1:26:30] cuz it's September 2nd. For the town hall meeting for water

[1:26:35] rates September 2nd at the fire hall. Okay?

[1:26:40] Thank you, Julie.

[1:26:46] » I need a motion. >> Okay, you need a motion to adjourn.

[1:26:49] » So I'll make a motion to adjourn. >> Warren made a motion to adjourn. Second.

[1:26:55] » I second. >> Pete second.

[1:27:02] I'll need to read a roll call to

[1:27:05] Darlene. >> Yes.

[1:27:07] » Patty. >> Yes.

[1:27:09] » Warren. >> Yes.

[1:27:11] » Pete. >> Yes.

[1:27:13] » Andy. >> Yes.

[1:27:14] » So moved. We are adjourned. >> Okay, thank you everyone for coming.

[1:27:18] » Thank you.

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