[1:14] Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the September 2nd, 2026

[1:19] meeting of the Hide Park Planning Board. Um, you'll notice on your screens that

[1:25] the uh public water ban has been lifted. Please visit Duchess County website for

[1:31] more information on what to do or Hyde Park uh should have it also up on their

[1:35] website. But the water has water ban has been lifted. If you could now please

[1:39] stand with me and say the pledge of allegiance.

[1:44] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

[1:49] republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[1:55] justice for all.

[2:01] Our first item on the agenda is a continued public hearing for the

[2:05] Bellefield Phase 4 FDP condos. Come on down, gentlemen.

[2:28] Good evening. Good [clears throat] evening and thank you for having us back

[2:32] back tonight. Larry Budro with Belf, Jared Okconor to my left and uh we're

[2:38] back to give the board an update. Um >> before you uh get going, could I get a

[2:45] motion to open the public hearing? >> So moved.

[2:48] » Second. All in favor, please say I. >> I. I.

[2:51] » Thank you.

[2:54] » So, we were uh you know, working pretty hard to get through all the comments and

[3:00] then the board issued some preliminary conditions to approval and I believe,

[3:06] you know, there was a significant amount of them and we plowed through all those.

[3:09] Of course, one of them was getting the approval from the Roosevelt Fire

[3:14] Department and we did get some lastm minute um comments that we wanted to,

[3:20] you know, uh, you know, get addressed right away. We were fortunate to meet

[3:25] with Dan Nichols this morning uh at at 11:30 and thank you Don, you know, for

[3:31] helping with that and of course an um thank you for being there and Tom Harvey

[3:36] was there. Uh Dan Nichols and Ryan were both there and of course our team, you

[3:42] know, Tom Malroy was there. Um he was uh glad to meet us and we had the

[3:49] architects LMV there, Tom and um and Mike McCormack.

[3:55] Their uh issue was the egress out of the buildings and as we showed it in the

[4:01] plans we submitted on August 18th show the egress going into the courtyard.

[4:05] They didn't like that. Uh so uh it was a really not hard to do. We just needed to

[4:11] understand that. Uh so now we [clears throat] put the egress out

[4:16] towards the parking lot side of the building. So we changed that. We um uh

[4:22] updated the plans and resubmitted it back to him so he would be in a pos

[4:26] position to write an approval letter back back and forth. Um uh the other

[4:33] thing we did for him is we removed the retaining. Oh Jared, you probably show

[4:37] it.

[4:43] So we do have it here. We did uh include it in the PowerPoint.

[4:50] But as as that comes up, the other thing we did was you might remember there was

[4:54] a retaining wall uh on the on the east and the north end of the courtyard and

[5:02] that was an accessibility issue for them. So we took that out and we graded

[5:06] it down at 3:1. Uh the garage the wall is already there with the parking

[5:12] garage. So we just sloped it right down. >> And you put a stairway there.

[5:16] » Yeah. And a stair access. Where where is this again?

[5:21] » Yeah, I'll show you when it comes up.

[5:27] » It's 3,3100 on the east end,

[5:31] » right? >> Yep. Yep.

[5:33] » Yep. >> Cynthy, what did you do?

[5:41] » It's loading. >> Looks good.

[5:45] » A little temperamental tonight. I think the other thing we did memory

[5:50] » and Dan had a concern with was the uh pool house amenity was a little close to

[5:56] the actual residential building condo. So um the architect said well we'll

[6:03] rotate it 90 and so he was happy with that. Uh and then he wanted a note on

[6:09] the plan specifically referring to uh NFPA13

[6:15] as a code requirement. We did look up the code and it is required for the

[6:20] height of this building. So that we will be sprinklering the buildings at NFPA

[6:25] NFPA13. So that note was added to the cover sheet as note number 10. Uh, so I

[6:31] forward him an email with uh with uh a note explaining all of that with the

[6:37] three attachments, the cover sheet, grading, and layout plan. So I'll show

[6:41] you what we did here.

[6:47] I can then a good one.

[6:53] » That won't be won't be as clear.

[7:00] » Oh yeah, you can't there. There you go. So stair egress here. We added this this

[7:06] right here. So now you can come out the stair tower and out to the parking area,

[7:12] not the courtyard. So, one here, one here, one here, one

[7:17] here.

[7:21] This this wall was taken out and uh you'll see in the grading plan we

[7:26] added the stairs to get out. This uh we rotated it 90°

[7:34] and we had to go from 40 to 35 ft in order to work with the grade. So this is

[7:42] a lot more room in between the buildings now.

[7:47] Oops.

[7:51] Same thing here. This wall was taken out. Stair access down. And this was

[7:56] rotated 90 to give more room between the buildings. And we added egress here,

[8:03] here, there, and there. and Jared will get us

[8:08] to the grading plan, but um uh we had to make sure all the grades work. So, we

[8:13] went to the grading plan, put the spot grades on, made sure everything worked.

[8:17] » It it Larry, is it ADA now through the structure? Is that is that how how does

[8:23] a handicap get into there without accessing those stairs on the

[8:28] » uh which structure? >> On on your on that structure there? You

[8:33] see you see the courtyard? >> Yeah. Now you have the stairs, right?

[8:37] » So, so they would access it through the building. Is that correct?

[8:42] » Yes. Okay. I just >> Yeah. So, it's interesting the way, let

[8:45] me grab that. The way this lobby works, the lobby is 2 feet above the uh garage

[8:52] elevation and uh we provided the the uh floor plan of that um layout. But the

[9:01] two feet there then there's elevator access to it and you go up to whatever

[9:05] floor you want and >> okay

[9:08] » but yeah you would not be able to do this. You can see the grade difference.

[9:12] That was one of the concerns uh Dan had was uh you know how does he

[9:17] get you know to this courtyard you know uh up this stair tower coming up some 12

[9:24] feet up here with all their equipment that kind of stuff. So, this this was a

[9:30] a valid concern. We had to know what it was and we addressed it. So, here's the

[9:35] grading plan. We had to work with the grades a little bit. We had to pull this

[9:39] back a little bit to get that guy in. Um, same thing here.

[9:46] Now, he also had some comment, wasn't it, about the stair tower it from the

[9:52] from the garage level and reworking that ramp or

[9:56] » Well, his his concern was if there was a fire in the garage, he didn't want the

[10:01] smoke going up the stair to the stair tower that goes out has no

[10:07] access to the garage. >> Okay. Right. So, the smoke can't go.

[10:12] Okay. >> They're separate through it. Separate.

[10:14] » Separate. Okay, good. So, uh we made progress on that and uh

[10:21] he was very helpful in saying, you know, what do I need to do um you know to help

[10:26] move this forward and so I think uh I think that box will be checked.

[10:34] Couple other things to give the board an update. We did receive REIA comments. Uh

[10:40] we're working through them. comments seven and nine. You know, of the 20

[10:46] three uh 23 original comments, um we're we've addressed

[10:53] most of them. I've seen personally seven and nine are addressed. Uh we have 13,

[11:01] 16, 17, and 21 to complete. I just got a text message that they're, you know,

[11:07] they're basically done. Um the last comment 23

[11:14] uh and I'll just read it here uh remains Bellefield it said the uh in uh building

[11:20] inspector zoning administrator town engineer should agree on the

[11:24] requirements for the building permit and CO occupancy. So this refers to the CO

[11:30] occupancy phasing plan and for each of those phasing plans we're saying what

[11:35] has to be in place >> in order you know to get the CO and the

[11:40] comment says that the zoning administrator town engineer should agree

[11:45] on it. So um you know that we would need a response

[11:51] from from them

[11:55] and we can follow up. >> Right. The four the four parties need to

[12:00] get together. >> We'll follow up with them.

[12:06] Um Larry, I did just want to note that um comment 15 was not turned red, but it

[12:13] is also a remaining comment and was not addressed. It's in black.

[12:21] » Oh, yeah. Okay. >> All right. Just want to highlight that.

[12:24] » Yeah. Okay.

[12:29] All right. Um the interpretive plan we'd like to go over. Um

[12:35] the interpretive plan we presented it to um the intent was it to establish the

[12:44] design intent of the interpretive you know features. So you can go to that

[12:51] » um an interpretive plan meaning >> the the the around the pond

[12:54] » sheet C1 >> the recreation.

[12:56] » Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

[13:02] So, the idea is that we're presenting to the board. Um, you know, our intent, uh,

[13:10] I think there's like almost 20 different different design elements. Um some are

[13:17] repeated, but um the uh we met with Dylan

[13:22] yesterday and the idea was you know how does this work at at you know final

[13:28] approval and so we were working through that today and we have some thoughts and

[13:33] we'll go through them. I'll go through the big picture. Jared can go through

[13:37] some of the details, but the idea is that you know the plan being presented

[13:43] is um is our design intent for what we want to

[13:48] do. Uh the final design elements would the idea we're thinking the final design

[13:54] elements would be approved by staff and installed prior to the co. So what we

[14:00] would do is uh tie a certain number of elements. We say in the note on the

[14:05] upper left that three or four of the interpretive elements would be required

[14:10] to be in per CO and you take three * 4 and that's 12 of course or four * 4 is

[14:17] 16. So we'll capture all the the uh design elements within the there's

[14:24] there's four cos right one no two three four five six six six cos right so 6 * 3

[14:31] is 18 6 * 4 is 24 so it's three to four elements per co

[14:36] » then we so because we're not going to build the whole thing at once right

[14:40] » and only have 30 people there right so the idea is to sequence it with the co

[14:48] beef it up as you go. >> Yeah. And and then we have some thoughts

[14:52] on on sequencing it and we can share that. But the idea would be obviously

[14:57] for building 30,000 we the pond would be in the trail around

[15:02] the pond would be done. The stone tower park would be done. So all those

[15:07] elements would be done and then in the next co we'll come up with another list

[15:11] and that kind of thing. So I think we can confidently provide

[15:18] the list of what would be done on the first CO. Now

[15:20] » yes, oh sorry, >> we can confident confidently provide or

[15:24] provide a list that confidently says what we can deliver uh for the first CO

[15:29] » because a lot of the earth work has to happen for the pond. Makes sense to put

[15:33] in the trails. >> Some of your larger elements will have

[15:35] to have been in place. >> Exactly. Because we don't have to go

[15:37] back and try to do that when the other buildings are being done. So, but then

[15:41] once we move beyond that, um, we've got some thoughts on trying to give us some

[15:44] flexibility to deliver certain elements that meet the intent of what we're

[15:48] showing here. So, >> can I after I was thinking about this

[15:51] after we met yesterday, um, and I I wonder if you could say a little more

[15:56] like I'm it surprises me as I think about it, how much uncertainty you have

[16:02] about like what space you're going to have or what things are going to look

[16:05] like when you're done. Can you talk a little like I'm accustomed to seeing in

[16:09] the plan that you've you know what's going to happen in enough detail that

[16:12] you're able to site a playground piece of playground equipment, right? So why

[16:15] isn't that the the case with with this particular piece of property in this

[16:19] project? Well, the uh you know the whole thing

[16:23] with Bellefield is you know when we were doing this trail by the by the uh uh

[16:29] hotel, right? We show it on plan, but when we actually were doing it out in

[16:34] the field, you know, we were working more with the contours, with the rocks

[16:38] that are there, with the trees that are there. So, uh, we need that flexibility

[16:44] to I mean, we could show the trail, we could show the playground feature, but

[16:49] we I I believe we need the flexibility to work with what's actually out there.

[16:55] Uh, the trees, the rock outcrops, or whatever else we may find. Um, that was

[17:00] what we were >> Yeah, I I guess I I understand that from

[17:03] a concept plan or when looking at the whole property, but when we get into

[17:06] this scale and this level of detail for a site plan, uh, you know,

[17:13] shouldn't we have a sense of where the trees are and actually have it kind of

[17:18] mapped out a little more clearly, cleanly?

[17:19] » Well, well, when I say trees, I'm saying, you know, uh,

[17:25] » a bunch of trees. Well, u you know, a nice sycamore that doesn't show up on an

[17:29] aerial, you know, that you want to pop around, you know, that kind of thing.

[17:34] » A rockout crop that doesn't show up on the on the topo. Uh and that's what we

[17:39] did with that trail. We worked around some rockout crops and stuff like that.

[17:44] Um >> so the the topography is coming into

[17:47] play. Yeah. >> As you as you as you dig out the pond,

[17:51] your things might not be what you expect.

[17:52] » That's the idea. Um but this will be um as we were speaking yesterday the final

[17:59] design element the idea I mean like a bench you know how

[18:04] you know we'll show the detail what we're going to do and we'll show where

[18:09] » after the pond is is built we'll have a really good idea where that thing would

[18:14] fit and so then we can site it you know specifically like that. So, we're

[18:19] committing to however many bench benches we have in there, you know, we'll we'll

[18:24] show up. Um, I I really like having uh I used to do a

[18:31] lot of golf courses, right? So, when you do a golf course, you lay it out on

[18:35] plan, but it's all done in the field. You know, you're working with the

[18:39] contours, you're moving things around, and that's kind of what, you know, what

[18:44] I see here. But we're identifying specifically, you know, ideas that that

[18:51] we're going going to put out there. Um, you know, so it's not, you know, I mean,

[18:57] like that bench there, we want to have a natural,

[19:00] you know, kind of wood type bench. So, [cough] will be there. It will be,

[19:05] it'll be in the area of the location that we identify. Uh, but it might be a

[19:10] little left or right of it or >> So, Larry, if I'm understanding

[19:14] correctly, you're you since you've done golf courses and all, you're saying that

[19:19] you're gonna you're going to it's it's fine on paper, but as you get out into

[19:24] the field, you might come across something naturally beautiful that you

[19:28] don't want to the bench is going to sit right there and you're going to have to

[19:31] take it out and remove it. You you could just shift it over 5T and have the best

[19:36] of both worlds. That's your intention is to make it better than actually what

[19:41] you're presenting. >> Yes,

[19:42] » that's correct. >> Yes.

[19:43] » Okay, >> that's the idea.

[19:46] » Well, the the other issue I think you have on the site is the understory is

[19:49] [clears throat] so thick, >> the topography

[19:52] » from the topo maps, you're not seeing a lot of the elements that are within the

[19:57] site. So, as you start uh grubbing the understory and cleaning that all out,

[20:03] you're talking about large scale landscaping, not building structures.

[20:07] So, as you build that landscape, you'll see and landscape architects and

[20:12] designers will look at it and go, "It was supposed to go here, but it looks

[20:16] better here." >> And as you build the pond,

[20:18] » Yeah. >> everything's going to mirror off of that

[20:21] pond. >> Yeah, that's that's the idea. I mean,

[20:24] these things here, um, the gazebo, the Jarro and I were talking about this

[20:30] today, but, uh, where is the best spot for the dock? You know, that's going to

[20:35] go out in the water. We show it there to the right. Yeah, right there. We show it

[20:40] there, but actually when we get the pond in, you know, we might want to move it a

[20:45] little bit. So, >> or angle it or something.

[20:47] » Angle it. Angle it. And there are some areas, you know, right here in this bend

[20:52] is very steep on the slope. And so when we get in there and find a way like what

[20:57] is the trail actually going to look like for that section, that might spark more

[21:00] ideas on what else might make sense to put here given the topography of it if

[21:04] there's other elements we want to put there. So that's those are like the

[21:07] level of details that we don't have now, but we're committing to, you know, go

[21:12] through and do that work. >> That answers my question. Thank you.

[21:14] » Yeah. and and and these items lend themselves to that flexibility, you

[21:19] know. So that's why it >> I mean just to play de devil's advocate

[21:24] here, I think the the only concern would be that by staging it um we won't see

[21:30] some of these elements. So as long as there is a list to have flexibility to

[21:35] be able to work them into the landscape in the proper way sounds fantastic. as

[21:41] long as we still retain all of the elements throughout the project.

[21:47] » I I think we're gonna be a little careful with the wording here, too. This

[21:50] this has the potential to be kind of subjective, what's acceptable and what's

[21:53] not. And that's our job, not staff's job. um when it comes to those sorts of

[21:59] subjective >> well I think the board has also been

[22:02] very clear on some of the items that they want to see like they want to see a

[22:06] grouping of some of these recreational equipments together rather than all all

[22:11] spread out oneonone. So if we can get the wording in there that says that

[22:16] there is at least one place where there's multiple recreation structures

[22:23] then that carries through what the board has been asking for. Yeah, I I agree

[22:28] » without you actually having to say, "Well, it's going to go exactly here."

[22:31] » Yeah. And and I do agree, you know, with with that. Um

[22:35] » so So there is um a condition that discusses

[22:42] looking at interpretive trails and and adding additional um equipment, it said

[22:49] to the satisfaction of the planner. But I really think that should all be

[22:54] revised and it really should be. I think to your point this is conceptual and

[22:59] just maybe at another date you can come back with you know ha have the list as

[23:06] you say but then once you're really out there and you've started construction

[23:11] I'm sure a good chunk of what's showing is park is going to be graded so you'll

[23:17] have I think you know a little bit better of a canvas to figure out where

[23:22] you're going to put things you know so for example there was there there was a

[23:26] swing set and I think the group had said we want more equipment. So I saw one

[23:32] additional swing set but I don't know that that's I don't think I'm the one

[23:36] that would say that's adequate. I think you all have to say this is appropriate

[23:41] for a park that's serving this area. >> Right. Well, and I think we've been

[23:45] specific in asking for an actual >> playground area.

[23:49] » Yeah. where you have multiple options, right,

[23:52] » for multiple ages to play fairly close by to each other so that

[23:57] » mom's not chasing after >> Yeah.

[24:00] » Yeah. And and I think that's just something that's going to work itself

[24:03] out. So, it's it's almost better. Okay. you show conceptually,

[24:07] » you can get a park and trails in and then just come back um once you've

[24:13] started the construction to nail down ex exactly the program that you think is

[24:18] » appropriate for this area. >> So, how would that be worded on a

[24:22] resolution? >> Yeah, we have to change that. [laughter]

[24:25] » I'm going to Henry will take care of that.

[24:26] » I'm going to take a shot at it. I'll take a shot at it. Then Jerry will jump

[24:30] in as he [clears throat] always does. [laughter] Yeah.

[24:33] » Uh final design design elements must be approved by uh planning board and

[24:38] installed prior to CO >> building.

[24:42] » So maybe we be we become specific about which COS, right?

[24:45] » Yes. And that >> a schedule of that with so once you

[24:48] develop their schedule >> like like you said at the very first one

[24:52] we're going to have all of the you will have had all of these elements that have

[24:55] to be in place >> as you do 3,000.

[24:58] » Yes. included in that might be the first round of the recreation area.

[25:03] » Yeah. >> Spelled out.

[25:05] » Yeah. As Jared said, we we have a pretty good idea of what we want to do for

[25:09] 30,000. That's the >> So, just to understand kind of

[25:13] mechanically what this would mean, is this a condition to the site plan

[25:16] approval for the whole phase or it's a condition that applies in post site plan

[25:24] in the construction phase? you you pretty clearly need it or want certainly

[25:28] want it to be not a condition of site plan. Correct. You need the site plan

[25:32] approved forward. So that's just what we're talking

[25:35] » but just as we're talking about the phasing so that you can finish one

[25:38] element of the site plan and get a co so you don't have to have everything in

[25:43] place. This would work its way into that. I think once those building

[25:47] locations are tagged and set where they are and then the trail the pond goes in

[25:52] and the trail goes around it, you're it's going to answer its own questions.

[25:56] It's going to fall once those buildings are staked and

[26:01] pinned and cleared and then the pond is in.

[26:04] » We want to get the pond done by the end of the year so that baby's, you know,

[26:08] up. >> Just what what what sort of technical

[26:10] mechanism are we talking about here? It would be nice if it's not like a full

[26:14] amended site plan, right? If it's >> now we phase 4 a

[26:21] » for pond. >> Yep.

[26:23] » Maybe it's all attached to a 4A. >> Is that

[26:26] » if is that a a way of handling it? If it's attached to that as a separate

[26:31] heading, >> would that hold up?

[26:33] » It has to be on this one. Okay. >> Well, I think we'll figure out the

[26:36] mechanism. >> Yeah. And then the other advantage is

[26:39] just once you started grading and some trees etc. Even the planning board could

[26:44] go out there and and with you and then say all right this is a perfect location

[26:48] for XYZ. >> So again I think there should be some

[26:52] conceptual expectations of what you're going to put there and at

[26:57] least maybe yeah some preliminary quantities lists. So you've you've

[27:03] already expanded it immensely since we first talked to you by talking about the

[27:07] number of elements and you know instead of just saying yeah exactly. So now

[27:12] you're talking about 18 different >> we can detail this a little bit more by

[27:16] uh at least identifying for the first co what to do then the others we can put a

[27:22] number on it. >> Yep.

[27:24] » Yeah. >> Yeah. to be determined. But um I like

[27:28] that approach. >> And it may be that by the time you're

[27:32] getting your first CEO, things are grubbed and cleared and things and you

[27:37] sort of have an idea and come back for all of the approvals for us. You don't

[27:43] have to come back every every time or anything. Right.

[27:46] » Right. Um Yeah. And it'll still be tied to the CEO, but it'll be approved.

[27:51] » Correct. Right. And and of course there's certain items

[27:54] in landscaping and probably recreation that are movable,

[27:59] » right? And that that our zoning administ she may deem some of these things as

[28:04] dimminimous. >> Okay.

[28:05] » So, you know, we I heard terms like we would move it over 5T. I think RZA would

[28:10] say something like that is dimminimous >> anyway. Um, we're just like if we if you

[28:17] drew a big circle and said this is where we're going to put a huge group of of

[28:20] elements and then you go in you're like oh no now we got to shift it over you

[28:23] know 250 ft. That starts changing the whole lay of the land.

[28:28] » Mhm. >> So I think I think we're

[28:31] » sounding like we're all singing to the same tune at this point.

[28:34] » Yeah. Well, we agree with that. >> Cool. All right. Okay.

[28:38] The um so the question I have to the board is

[28:43] we made changes to the plan because of the fire chief. So we have those we

[28:48] issued those to the fire chief and I did copy you and Cynthia

[28:53] » and he said he's going to be preparing uh like his official response

[28:58] » that would say comment 15 has been addressed and

[29:02] » that he has no other concerns. >> Right. Do you want us to resubmit the

[29:06] set um for u the 16th, you know, with the

[29:13] updated fire chief's comments in there? And and and we have most of the rena

[29:18] comments done. >> I imagine there also been any new

[29:21] elevations for the amenity building since you

[29:24] » flipped. That's all been flipped. >> And in order to have done that, you

[29:27] would have had to submit yesterday, right?

[29:29] » Um I mean, you guys are It's up to you obviously. Um,

[29:33] » well, I would also remind that you're out next week, so

[29:36] » I am out next week. Um, but I would imagine the board needs to especially

[29:41] see this sheet so that you can approve the kind and quantity of the recreation

[29:48] that then would be dealt with in some kind of phase.

[29:52] » Well, this this sheet was submitted. >> So, this is so Yeah, I mean, I guess if

[29:57] the question is, do we want a whole brand new site plan set? Well, I'm

[30:01] asking you what do you want in >> she is is it five sheets have changed?

[30:07] » You might also the changes for the fire department those egress go right out

[30:12] into the landscaping currently. >> Oh yeah. Definitely

[30:16] updated the >> landscaping. So it's it's pretty

[30:18] intense. I mean to >> Well, um it would be the uh cover sheet,

[30:23] site plan. Yeah. Or layout, grading, landscape,

[30:29] » elevation. um this sheet because we'll uh provide a little bit more I [snorts]

[30:34] think five sheets

[30:38] » and then that just we're not there's going to be some conditions right

[30:43] » on the 16 we'll get most of them >> whatever you submit is not going to be

[30:47] what gets signed >> yeah yeah most of them will be addressed

[30:52] » including the fire department >> right

[30:55] » I would suggest doing getting the board or at least the file

[31:00] any altered sheets and then I would do a digital set of the entire set and then

[31:06] on the table of contents indicate the sheets that

[31:11] » which have been updated [laughter] but make it an inclusive set digitally of

[31:16] all of the sheets >> all of the ones that have changed so the

[31:21] board can >> that makes sense those

[31:23] » sorry printed printed of the ones that are changed and digital of everything

[31:27] » digital of everything can embed and all the sheets that are altered and then

[31:32] ghost >> and then five physical copies

[31:35] » in the digital set. So at any given time they have a full set of all the sheets.

[31:40] » And if I may, I mean, don't kill yourself, Larry, cuz you may have to

[31:43] change these things a little bit like this amenity with just the stairs and no

[31:47] ramp for ADA strollers or anything like that. I don't

[31:51] » It's It's tofi great change. >> Just be prepared. So, we have ad access

[31:57] into the [clears throat] lobby. And then >> I I get that. I understand. But it's

[32:01] supposed to, you know, be the same for everyone and so you may get some push

[32:05] back and you might have to edit a little bit. So, don't kill yourself on this set

[32:09] until you get approvals >> because as you saw from your the comment

[32:14] letters that have come through, the 60 plus conditions have been we're down to

[32:20] manageable numbers. Now, >> are you intending to update the lighting

[32:27] plan or are you going to address that as a condition?

[32:32] » Oh, >> because you're going to have exits now

[32:36] where you didn't have >> and there are

[32:38] » we'll add those. >> Bonnie had a a comment that that um

[32:42] there are some there are uh inaccuracies on the lighting plan. There's it looks

[32:46] like it maybe some fixtures got updated, but the photometrics didn't. It doesn't

[32:50] quite line up. >> That's already a condition.

[32:53] » No. So, I'll send you Larry. What I did was I went through

[32:57] » more comments. >> So, I went through the resolution and

[33:01] where all my comments were embedded so that I could say addressed so we could

[33:05] take it off or and there were some that there were still some questions and one

[33:09] of them for example is where the dumpster is as an example uh top right

[33:15] » by 3,300. The dumpster for 3,300. >> Yeah.

[33:18] » Yeah. >> 3300. There was a fixture there. So you

[33:21] have that you have those kind of foot candles.

[33:24] » Yeah, there's a fixture here. >> There used to be one there, right? And

[33:28] now it moved. So it's not a So there's something off.

[33:31] » Yeah, that's that's clearly off. >> Yeah. So So I think

[33:35] » the courtyard seemed funny, too. >> And the court and the other thing is I

[33:38] think the way the courtyards at least you have it set up right now is I

[33:43] believe the only lighting. >> Yeah, we didn't put any lighting in

[33:46] there. Uh we'll put some lighting in there. Yeah, ballards, whatever you

[33:50] want. But it's just I don't know that you're really going to not have any

[33:53] lighting in the in the courtyard in the evening.

[33:56] » I think I saw like a 14t candle level underneath one of those lights in the

[34:00] courtyard, too. >> I know. I [laughter] I didn't think it

[34:04] might be. >> I didn't think that was the sun.

[34:06] » The sun, [laughter] >> you know. Also, the pool the pool being

[34:10] lit, right? >> The pool will have to be lit to a

[34:12] certain degree, right? If it's >> Yeah. I mean, unless you're covering it.

[34:16] I that's actually worth checking in with the health department about that because

[34:20] they have got requirements for >> for lighting up

[34:23] » lighting on swimming pools. >> Yeah. Um this doesn't approve the

[34:29] swimming pool. This has to go to the health department. Is

[34:32] » Sure. But if they come back and say I I think they their requirements are like

[34:35] 30 foot candles or something over swimming pools.

[34:38] » Oh lord. >> They want 30.

[34:39] » They're really heavy cuz Yeah. So it's [laughter]

[34:44] » but you're gonna have lights in the pool. You're gonna have all kinds of

[34:47] things. It's gonna be reflective. >> There's all that. Um but again that's a

[34:51] you know would be a health department separate if it ends up significantly

[34:56] changing a lot. >> Yeah. But I think Cynthia's got the the

[34:59] right approach. >> Yes.

[35:00] » The sheets that change to show the change that we discussed with the fire

[35:05] department >> that helps their conditions to go away.

[35:10] bring those out and then we're going to still have conditions

[35:14] » that will need to be met. Lighting is an excellent example.

[35:18] » Um, >> yeah, that's that's that's fine.

[35:21] » I'll send you my comments. I don't know that you're going to want to deal with

[35:24] them. >> Crazy doing the lighting plan because I

[35:27] wouldn't go crazy adjusting the lighting plan because you're going to have to

[35:30] readjust. >> It's going to be a condition anyway. So,

[35:33] » yeah, that's fine. Uh, the main thing I want to get off is the fire department.

[35:37] » Yes. >> Yeah. Yes. All the others are will

[35:41] manage here. >> Yeah. Yeah. And um

[35:47] » Okay, great. Terrific. Um so we know what we need to do. Uh anything else,

[35:52] Jar? >> That covers it.

[35:54] » I think it covers it. Again, thank you for having us

[35:57] » here and we'll adjourn to the 16th. >> To do their

[36:01] » Oh, right. So, [laughter]

[36:05] » is there anybody here? Is there anybody here in from the public who would like

[36:08] to speak to this application? >> Right.

[36:11] » If not, may I get a motion to adjourn the public hearing to [clears throat]

[36:17] what do we say? September 16th. >> 16th. Yeah.

[36:20] » September 16th. >> Yeah.

[36:22] » So moved. >> Second.

[36:23] » All in favor, please say I. >> I.

[36:25] » I. >> Motion carries.

[36:26] » I just want to know where's the ferris wheel going to go.

[36:30] » Oh, that could be cool. >> Yeah. Midway. So this mountain

[36:34] » right on the overlook. >> When we get it all cleared and ready,

[36:37] you come on out, pick a spot. >> There you go.

[36:40] » Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Larry.

[36:42] » Guys, have a great night.

[36:46] » There are no more public hearings scheduled for the evening. We're going

[36:50] into workshop. Our next item on the agenda is the Goran timber harvest

[36:54] application. It is not 5 after 12. It is 6:36

[37:00] now, right?

[37:05] » [clears throat]

[37:13] » Good evening. >> Good evening.

[37:14] » Good evening. Um my name is Christopher Apprentice with Lower Hudson Forestry

[37:19] Services. Uh here representing uh the Goran Trust uh for Timber Harvest at uh

[37:26] 959 Violet Avenue. Um parcel is uh 6164-01-458755.

[37:38] Um totals 175.76 acres uh of which we're proposing uh commercial timber harvest

[37:45] on 90 of those acres. Um property has been managed uh under DC approved um 48A

[37:53] forest management plan since 1982. um has been harvested uh numerous times

[37:59] over the years um and we are just continuing with the um management plan

[38:06] that was approved um back in 2023. Um trees to be harvested uh mix of

[38:13] hardwood and softwood all marked by a certified forester with blue paint. Uh

[38:18] there's 1438 trees uh across the 90 acres to be harvested. It averages about

[38:24] 16 trees per acre. Um the plan is to um lop all the tops uh down to 3 ft high or

[38:34] lower. Uh helps with the uh breakdown um and deterioration of the uh the slash

[38:39] that's left behind. um erosion control plan is uh will be

[38:44] following the state's best management practices for timber harvesting. Most of

[38:49] the topography is very flat rolling. Um so slopes are not really a concern. Um

[38:56] but anywhere there are trails and there's numerous old trails left from

[39:01] the previous harvests. um they will be smoothed um free of debris and uh any

[39:08] erosion control devices will be installed as necessary. Uh there is a

[39:12] DEC classified stream and wetlands um in the application packet. We've gotten the

[39:19] approval for a DEC um stream crossing and wetland um crossing permit. Uh we'll

[39:28] be crossing with um wooden crane mats. uh approximately 100 foot uh section of

[39:34] the the wetland and the stream. Um that crossing will then be removed at the

[39:40] completion of the uh uh the process and [clears throat] um it will be restored

[39:45] back to what it is currently. Um there's also uh DC um rare threatened endangered

[39:52] species, the uh Blandings turtle. So, uh, there's a letter in the application

[39:58] that, uh, the DEC's provided for, um, seasonal restrictions. They'll

[40:03] basically, uh, only allow us to harvest between October 16th and April 14th. Um,

[40:10] there is also a letter from the New York State Parks, Recreation, Historical

[40:14] Preservation. Um, the property did get a hit on the, uh, EF mapper for being in a

[40:21] potential historic or archaeological sensitive site. Um the letter states

[40:26] that this project won't have any u uh bearing on anything that they have

[40:31] found. Um access to the property is going to be off of State Route 9G.

[40:36] There's a pre-existing old abandoned orchard that's there. Um there's two old

[40:41] breaks in the stone wall that were used for access to the orchard. Um what we

[40:46] plan on doing is um putting in a tracking pad um to prevent mud and

[40:52] debris from entering onto the highway. Um, I did speak with the DOT, uh, Tina

[40:57] Riley. She sent me an email that I can present. Um, but basically, um,

[41:05] since we don't have a contractor yet, I can't apply for a DOT temporary access

[41:11] permit because of the bonds and insurance. But, um, I can give you this.

[41:17] Basically, it says that, uh, let the planning board know that we don't have

[41:20] any objections to this type of work. uh and you know an application can be put

[41:25] in once a contractor is found. Um so um I know that visuals was a big um

[41:33] item because this is a special use permit. Um the harvest is actually um a

[41:40] long ways from the the state highway. Um you know 800 feet is as close as it

[41:46] comes. um more of the property is over 1,000 ft past um the the the Route 9J.

[41:54] So, um aesthetically, no one's really going to notice that it's what's going

[41:59] on back there. Um there's a few houses um that the harvest will be near, but um

[42:06] I visually I don't think that will impact them at all. Um the hope is that

[42:12] you know with weather um cooperating that it would take approximately three

[42:17] three and a half months to complete the the process. Um you know if we couldn't

[42:22] finish before the April 14th deadline then um obviously we would have to come

[42:26] back the following year. Um I think that's all I have.

[42:32] » Thank you very much. Very thorough and I know you've been working really closely

[42:36] uh with Tad on this. Yeah. >> Excellent. All right. I'm going to Let's

[42:41] see. Miss Bonnie, any questions on this?

[42:46] » No, I do not. Thank you, [clears throat] >> Mr. Renia.

[42:49] » No comments, >> Mr. Hensman.

[42:52] » I was just going to confirm that you will get with the zoning administrator

[42:55] to figure out what sheets to include in the site plan application.

[43:00] » Uh, yes. Okay. >> Thank you,

[43:04] Mr. Tuttle. >> No comments. Thank you,

[43:07] » Mr. Waters. I >> I just had a question for interest. Uh

[43:12] what what happens to the harvest? Is that up to the contractor yourself? What

[43:17] what does the wood is it stay in the community? Is it forest? Is it broken

[43:23] down into lumber, timber since it's hardwoods and stuff? I I just wanted to

[43:27] know, do you know how that process works?

[43:30] » [clears throat] >> Um

[43:32] the lower grade firewood and stuff like that more likely than not would stay in

[43:36] the community. And I mean when I say community, Duchess County,

[43:39] » Duchess, >> um soft wood more likely than not goes

[43:43] to Canada. >> Um hardwood kind of average grade will

[43:49] probably stay somewhere in New York. Higher grade,

[43:53] » um China, >> wherever the market is. um Japan, Korea,

[43:59] it's a pretty worldwide uh uh you know process. So

[44:05] » um surprisingly, you know, round logs get stuffed into rectangular shipping

[44:11] containers and put on boats and they go across the world. So um that's where a

[44:16] lot of uh of wood from New York goes now.

[44:18] » Wow. >> Just wanted to know.

[44:21] » Excellent question. >> Good good question.

[44:23] » Yeah. Thank you, >> Mr. Ve. Uh, no comment,

[44:26] » Mr. Oliver. >> No comments.

[44:28] » Miss Lee, >> no comments. Thank you.

[44:31] » Um, I guess my only question is did you that uh letter that you just pointed out

[44:36] from did that get sent over to the planning office?

[44:40] » No, I have just gotten it. So, >> okay. If you could forward that over to

[44:43] Cynthia, that would be great. >> Okay.

[44:46] » Just add that to your file. >> Okay. Um, so we do have a resolution

[44:51] tonight to classify the project and circulate to the agencies that need to

[44:56] be circulated to. Uh, Mr. Tuttle, I believe you have this one.

[44:59] » I do. Resolution to classify project and

[45:03] circulate to Duchess County Planning and Development. Goran Timber Harvest,

[45:06] September 2nd, 2026. Resolution 2026-26. Whereas, whereas, whereas

[45:13] Now therefore, be it resolved that the planning board hereby classifies the

[45:16] project as an unlisted action under seeker and determines to conduct an

[45:20] uncoordinated review. Be it further resolved that the planning board directs

[45:24] the secretary to refer the project to the Duchess County Department of

[45:27] Planning and Development pursuant to section 239M of the general municipal

[45:30] law. Be it further resolved that the planning board directs the secretary to

[45:34] send a courtesy referral to the New York State Department of Transportation.

[45:38] » Second. Is there any discussion? All in favor, please say I.

[45:42] » I. >> Any nays or abstensions? Motion carries

[45:45] unanimously. >> Thank you for coming out tonight.

[45:49] » Thank you.

[45:52] » We need to set a public hearing. Sorry. >> Set a public hearing.

[45:54] » May I get a motion to set a public hearing for September 16th?

[45:57] » I'll make that motion. >> Second.

[45:59] » All in favor, please say I. >> I.

[46:01] » I. >> There you go. Now you're all set.

[46:03] » Okay. >> Thank you. Thank you for the uh update

[46:06] on what happens to it. That's It's important to know that. Yeah.

[46:10] » Thank you. >> It is.

[46:10] » I will see you in a few weeks. >> Thank you.

[46:12] » Got it. >> Thank you.

[46:14] » Have a good night. >> You too.

[46:17] » Our next item on the agenda is uh other business with the CIA hotel and villas.

[46:22] Uh they are looking to do a phase three recovery plan study uh on their site to

[46:28] see if it's uh usable for expanded villas and um other items on their site

[46:37] plan. This is uh just an authorization that

[46:41] would allow them to do just just the study and

[46:46] see am I missing anything?

[46:53] » Bonnie, do you have any input on this? >> Yes. So, we're we're literally

[46:58] talking about this trying to sort it out. So, so this is a recovery plan.

[47:04] We're saying we're authorizing a recovery plan. the recovery plan results

[47:08] in disturbance. So on the one hand it's a mitigation but on the other hand

[47:12] you're disturbing you know 8 acres of the site that wasn't accounted for in

[47:18] seeker. So I was just looking at this to see if there was any you know paragraph

[47:25] that says something to the effective and we find that this isn't a significant

[47:30] impact. Um, >> yeah, if we could just to add some kind

[47:35] of sentence that you're cognizant that

[47:40] this this has implications from a secret perspective, too.

[47:45] » I think that's a fine idea. I think we can have that absolutely significant

[47:48] that it won't affect the prior >> Yeah. that that it's that it's not

[47:52] right. And ultimately, it is a recovery plan. And it's a it's a type of

[47:55] mitigation, but the fact that they're going to be cutting into this area and

[47:59] digging it out is also a disturbance. So, just if we could put some wording in

[48:03] there. >> Yeah.

[48:06] » Can we collectively come up with a uh a sentence or so to put in there?

[48:11] » Um, reference the last

[48:16] reaffirmation resolution date.

[48:21] » Oh, right. Um >> where something like whereas the

[48:26] planning board acknowledges that this will this may result in

[48:32] additional.8 acres of disturbance

[48:38] that comma period. However, the recovery plan is a form of

[48:44] mitigation and the planning board finds it won't

[48:49] result in a significant adverse impact. >> So, to be clear, um what's being

[48:56] approved here is a phase three

[49:01] » recovery plan >> plan.

[49:04] So they >> a data recovery plan

[49:06] » they are >> what what what is the scope of work

[49:10] exactly that's entailed in that? Are they are they going to dig out the

[49:13] entirety of that 8 acres? Are they doing >> a grid pattern? Right. They do a grid

[49:18] pattern and they right they they dig [clears throat] up shovel holes every

[49:22] » and to a point where I I for in my brain I recall that there might be some

[49:27] percentage that they have to dig up 60% or whatever may have been there and

[49:34] collect it. Um and then there's a whole process of cataloging it

[49:39] » putting it in a museum etc etc. But but so it's an archaeological in

[49:45] investigation but there is disturbance. So that's I'm just

[49:48] » right entire it's across8 acres >> but it's not entire acres I don't

[49:56] » well >> the way this whereas is written

[49:59] » there's this whereas in here in order to evaluate the impacts of the project

[50:03] changes in the approximately 6 and2 acre pre-cond sites.

[50:09] Uh Chipo requested that the applicant undertake a phase three recovery plan

[50:12] which involves physical digging on the property which implies to me that they

[50:15] could still say they could do they they're digging out like samples

[50:20] essentially and then Chipo could say nope too valuable stop and don't do

[50:25] anymore. Right? Is that is that accurate >> in theory? Yeah. I was just reacting to

[50:29] the the phrase you just used involves physical digging of the property. So I

[50:34] just want to say somehow that you know the planning board acknowledges

[50:38] um that there's some dis some limited disturbance however

[50:44] » I like that term >> some limited disturbance however this

[50:48] isn't considered significant >> you know is not a significant

[50:53] » adverse impact >> that's good

[50:55] » and and the planning board otherwise affirms its prior seeker determination

[51:00] » yeah get that Henry [laughter] Maybe

[51:04] too >> and it is temp is just temporary. They

[51:08] dig it up and then they put it back. >> Yeah, they usually Yeah, they they put

[51:11] it back. >> Well, but I think they're doing this

[51:13] because they want to put buildings on it.

[51:15] » Well, that but that comes that when that will be that's going to be a separate

[51:19] plan when they disturb it. They have to investigate first and then to disturb

[51:24] » later. >> Exactly.

[51:25] » Well, no, they're disturbing now. >> They don't have authority. You can't we

[51:29] can't even consider that area >> allows Shipo to continue.

[51:33] » Correct. >> Yes.

[51:33] » Correct. >> Correct.

[51:36] » Yes. This this doesn't this does not decide one way or the other whether or

[51:40] not the land can be usable >> for for any kind of development.

[51:44] » Right. They have an application into Shipo that's something separate whether

[51:48] they're going to authorize it. >> I saw a project that actually had to do

[51:51] that. Um, and you know, they didn't find anything, but

[51:56] they they did these little they went out like with little tools.

[52:00] » Yeah, >> it was [laughter] very funny. It was an

[52:02] archaeological dig. It was >> fascinating.

[52:03] » It was a full scale, but you know, they took out, you know, a quart of dirt

[52:08] [laughter] >> every five feet.

[52:11] » I I just I know of one that was really significant, phase three. And these

[52:15] things, if they find stuff, >> they're going to have to keep digging.

[52:18] » Yeah. Yeah. So, but we don't know at this point.

[52:21] » Correct. So I think we just acknowledge that there's some disturbance.

[52:24] » I think but that it's >> I like what you had said there.

[52:27] » Yeah. >> That we do acknowledge that there will

[52:29] be disturbance. >> Yep.

[52:31] » Thank you, Bonnie. >> Thank you.

[52:34] » That was my comment. >> Excellent.

[52:40] » And Henry, when you do have it written, what we tend to do is we read it up to a

[52:44] point and then we point to you and you can read the part that you just wrote.

[52:52] A lot of pressure, honey. [laughter]

[52:58] » That's cooling. Going to work now.

[53:03] Baptism by fire. [laughter] >> Used to ride my motorcycle back there. I

[53:08] lost a pair of riding goggles. Maybe they'll find them. [laughter]

[53:14] » And you know what? Depending on how old and how old you are, they might find

[53:17] them to be archaeologically significant.

[53:24] » Yeah, [laughter]

[53:29] » I think it's worse for you today because they're just afraid to speak one

[53:39] of >> Yes. Yes. I think that would be lovely.

[53:42] Whereas the planning board acknowledges that the data recovery plan may result

[53:45] in limited disturbance that will not result in a significant environmental

[53:49] impact. and has determined

[53:52] » that this disturbance will not result in a significant environmental

[53:57] impact

[54:02] but has determined

[54:08] that the disturbance will not result in a significant

[54:12] environmental impact. >> That sounds good. Try one more time.

[54:17] Whereas the planning board acknowledges that the data recovery plan may result

[54:20] in limited disturbance but has determined that the disturbance will not

[54:24] result in a significant environmental impact.

[54:26] » Can we say seeker significant environ just so that we're

[54:29] » significant? Yes. Seeker environment >> seeker

[54:32] » significant have no impact on our prior result of seeker determination. I guess

[54:36] I I I worry about bringing in the prior um

[54:41] » yeah because we're not >> the prior negative declaration just

[54:44] because >> we're talking about two little pieces

[54:47] » changing it then >> because again this data recovery plan is

[54:49] for the sake of doing further environmental investigation which you

[54:52] will do at a pri at a you know at the next meeting.

[54:56] » Um so I guess I >> I wouldn't say that we're we're

[54:59] reaffirming or that we're touching the prior negative declaration at all. I

[55:02] would just say again >> I would just keep it very cursory. Yes.

[55:06] » Say in effect that it's not going to result in any any that. Yeah. Um

[55:12] » minimal in minimal >> minimal.

[55:13] » Yeah. Okay. >> You can just say with respect to seeker

[55:16] right after

[55:20] » takes a village. >> I know.

[55:21] » Yeah. >> Love it. Good point.

[55:25] » Whereas the planning board acknowledges that the data recovery plan may result

[55:29] in limited disturbance but has determined that the disturbance will not

[55:32] result in a significant environmental impact with respect to secret. Yes.

[55:36] » Very good. >> Perfect.

[55:37] » That sounds good to me. >> Excellent. Nice job. Okay.

[55:40] » Michael would like it. >> Yes. Yes.

[55:43] » We're going to find out. >> All right. So,

[55:47] » here. >> Any other comments?

[55:48] » He's watching. >> No. You know what? It may theoretically,

[55:52] but I think this covers your texting. >> I think it's better to say it than

[55:58] » Right. And again, this is not even the for the site plan. This is just a study

[56:02] because OPRHP demands it. Yeah, >> Mr. Renia, any comments?

[56:08] » Uh, no, I think that sounds very good. >> Okay, good.

[56:10] » And did it I would agree it's a standalone project if you would.

[56:14] » Right. Right. It's outside of the Yeah. Okay. Uh, any more comments on the

[56:19] board? >> No comments.

[56:20] » Okay. And, uh, Mr. Ve. >> Okay. Resolution to authorize phase 3

[56:26] recovery plan. Uh, resolution 2019 39Q. Whereas, whereas, whereas now therefore

[56:34] be resolved that the planning board hereby authorizes the implementation

[56:38] of the phase 3 archaeological data recovery plan subject to uh receipt

[56:44] of OPRHP's written authorization

[56:49] of said phase three plan. >> And go ahead and read into the record,

[56:53] Henry. Whereas the planning board acknowledges

[56:56] that the data recovery plan may result in limited disturbance but has

[57:00] determined that the disturbance will not result in a significant environmental

[57:03] impact with respect to seeker. >> Second.

[57:07] » Is there any discussion? All in favor please say I.

[57:11] » I. >> Any nays or absention? Motion carries

[57:14] unanimously. Thank you everybody. >> Uh may I get a motion to adjurnn?

[57:18] » So moved. >> Second.

[57:20] » All in favor please say I. >> I.

[57:21] » I. >> Thank you all. That was lovely. Thank

[57:24] you. Thank you. Easy.

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