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Mhm.
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» It's 6:00. I'm going to call this
meeting to order, please. And can I ask
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everybody to please silence their phone?
That way we can all hear each other and
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and everything. Uh Brittany, will you
please do roll?
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» Larry.
>> Here.
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» Mark.
>> Here.
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» Dan.
Darlene.
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» Here.
>> Acknowledgement that the agenda was
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posted outside the door of town, I know,
the town hall more than 24 hours prior
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to the meeting. Pledge allegiance.
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Mark, would you lead us in prayer,
please?
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» Yes.
Dearly Father Lord, I just want to thank
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you for this time to come together as a
city and the community to uh
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take care of of the city's business,
Father. Father, I just pray that you be
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with us.
Uh be in our minds, be in our thoughts,
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and and direct us in our decisions,
Father. Father, I thank you for
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all that you do for us in Christ's name.
Amen.
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» Amen. Thank you.
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Okay, number one, approval of previous
regular meeting minutes as printed.
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» I make a motion to approve previous
regular meeting minutes as printed.
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» I'll second.
>> Mark made the motion, second by Larry.
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Larry?
>> Yes.
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» Mark?
>> Yes.
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» Darlene?
>> Yes.
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» Public comments.
[6:16]
Mr. Hill, Brian Hill?
Do you want to wait till
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you've got agenda number three. Would
you like to wait until then? Okay.
[6:24]
I see that all of you have
put down here
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different agenda items. Do you want to
wait until those agenda items come up?
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Is that okay with all of you?
>> Mine's not related to that.
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» Okay.
Okay, you're special. Why don't you just
[6:41]
hop right up here and tell us what what
makes you so special.
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» I have two cats. That makes me special.
>> There you go.
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» So,
this is directed towards anyone
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applicable. PSO is wanting a $597
million rate increase to recover
[7:06]
increased business costs and electric
infrastructure investments.
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For a residential service customer,
likely anybody that's a customer in this
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room,
this can mean an increase of around 15%
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or maybe $25 a month on top of your
already expensive bill.
[7:25]
If you're a PSO customer and you're okay
with this increase, I accept cash app or
[7:30]
PayPal if you want to cover the increase
on my electric bill.
[7:33]
Now, the STIS team has a form online.
The entry of appearance deadline is May
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18th. They put a lot of great
information on the page. If you're like
[7:45]
me and have limited availability, you
just need to fill out the first form on
[7:49]
the page. Took me less than a minute. I
have
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I hope to have a video made by tomorrow
showing how.
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If you have more time and want to
present evidence or cross-examine
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witnesses on the June 29th meeting, you
will need to fill out the second form on
[8:06]
the page in addition to the first.
Whether or not you don't do the second
[8:11]
form, you can attend the meetings via
Zoom. Dates and info are at the bottom
[8:15]
of the page that has the forms.
And if you want to If you do the second
[8:20]
form to present evidence or
cross-examine, you will need to attend
[8:24]
in person.
Um that's the only thing I had on that,
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and I'm aware you guys can't really
answer, so maybe somebody in the crowd
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can.
I've seen some stuff circulating on
[8:35]
Facebook recently about a possible data
center.
[8:38]
Where would I be able to find
information on that? Would that be a
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city and zoning?
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Okay. That's all. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
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Okay, so if everybody else wants to wait
until uh we come up to your agenda item,
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we'll go ahead and and go on. Number
three, discussion, consideration, and
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possible action to create the Innova
Community Accounta-
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-bility Review and Engagement I CARE
Committee.
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» You're up.
You're up.
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» I'm sorry. Brian. I'm sorry.
>> Good evening. Um I'll try to make this
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quick here.
So, the I CARE um objective is to
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establish a community advisory
committee that serves to as a conduit
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between Innova City Council and the
citizens regarding questions, concerns,
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potential mitigation strategy related to
the local industrial operation. The
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committee's primary goal is to gather
community input and present the city
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council with data-driven, balanced, and
actual proposal to address citizens'
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concern.
This is the structure.
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Um the I-Care Committee will consist of
a small focus group of volunteers to
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ensure efficiency and balance of
perspectives. The I-Care Committee will
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be composed of the following: Council
Liaison, one non-voting council member
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designated to facilitate communication.
Five community members,
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the voting members of this committee
shall consist of five residents within
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the Ione School District with varied
backgrounds.
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Members shall collectively
reflect a broad diversity of the
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community bringing ranges of
perspectives,
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lived experiences, and areas of
knowledge, and other characteristics
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that contribute to a well-rounded
representation of the community.
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Certain disclosures, particularly those
related to project-specific interests,
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may be vested revisited on a
case-by-case basis
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as new topics arise. The selection.
Each trustee shall appoint one committee
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member based on the criteria listed
here. Individuals selected to serve
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should demonstrate a genuine interest in
the community issues and a willingness
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to actively participate in the
community's work.
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Members are expected to be reliable,
prepared, and able to commit the time
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necessary to engage in meetings
and review materials.
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Participation.
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Committee
members are expected to communicate
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clearly, listen thoughtfully, and engage
in respectful dialogue. Members should
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be open to differing viewpoints
and capable of discussing complex or
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controversial topics in a constructive,
solution-oriented manner. I'm going to
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kind of bounce around here. Scope
and responsibilities.
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The eye care committee is
formed in
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the ability to information gather,
collect, and organize questions,
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concerns, and suggestions from the local
citizens regarding local industrial
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projects. Research and analysis.
Research existing public information,
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regulations, and the best practices
related to similar industrial
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operations, focusing on environmental,
health, and economic aspects of the
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social impacts to the community.
Propose and generate develop and present
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actionable
proposal to the city council to address
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key citizens questions and concerns.
Proposals must include potential pros
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and cons and resources required.
Reporting.
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Provide regular per meeting written
reports to the city council to document
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community concerns.
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» Thank you so much. And we do have a copy
of all of this that you
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» was reading off of.
So, if anybody
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wants a copy of that,
we have it. Okay?
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Um
>> Since he's presenting on this, can he
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have more time?
>> You know, I'm willing to do that.
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» Yeah.
>> Would you like to go ahead
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» Right. You want to go ahead and finish?
>> Since you're presenting on this, you are
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presenter. Okay.
>> Yeah, I'm willing to do that.
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» Is it good?
>> Okay. Let's do that.
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» Oh, let's see here. Reporting.
Um
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reports should be presented in a range
of perspective, highlight supporting
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data and sources, and clearly identify
the associated risks, benefits, and
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uncertainties.
Community engagement. Hold periodic ad-
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adverse advertised public forums to
gather input, ensuring a direct res-
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presentation of community views.
Maintain a public city email address
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linked to the community the committee's
members for soliciting community input.
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Meetings. Frequency. monthly scheduled
meetings, transparency, all meetings
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will be open to the public following the
Oklahoma Open Meetings Act requirement.
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Here's some of the key deliverables.
Citizens inquiry, organize
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summary of citizens questions and
concerns.
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Committee evaluation, standardize matrix
for evaluating risk and magnitude of the
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community's concerns and three primary
areas of
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environmental, health, and economic
impacts.
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Includes cited research and committee
decisions.
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City Council proposals, tracker for the
status of the City Council proposals
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including draft presentation
and resulting action.
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Metrics of success,
Council action, the number of I-Care
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presented proposals formally considered
or acted upon
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by the City Council.
Community satisfaction, reduction in the
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number of industrial project inquiries
directed to the City Council. We'll go
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down here by here.
Indicating the committee is effectively
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managing information flow. Record
keeping, provide written record of
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neutral fact-based evaluation for public
concerns to support City Council
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actions.
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Citizens inquiry, categorize record of
citizen inputs, questions, and concerns.
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Public facing
FAQ categorize issues and logs.
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Intended success, improved transparency,
clear, concise record of community
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priorities.
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Committee evaluation, standardize matrix
for neutral fact-based risk and
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magnitude evaluation of projects that
may potentially have an impact on, but
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not limited to, environmental, health,
social, and economic aspects with the
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community. Data backed by cited sources
of research and comparative analysis.
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So, that's kind of the highlights of it.
So, what we're basically, you know,
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presenting is that each one of the house
members would be able to select
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a committee member that would gather the
information from the citizens, prepare
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create a report and bring to you with
solutions and ideas to help mitigate
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some of the problems that we've had in
the the past few months. So,
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that's kind of it. It is available on
our website as well. And I do thank you.
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» Thank you, Mr. Hill, for this
presentation. Thank you. Um Beth,
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did you have something you wanted to
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» Okay, so to add to what Brian said
because I helped him write it.
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Um
And then I also got to bounce into
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number four about the steering committee
cuz they're obviously related. And I
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heard what Thomas said at the last
meeting. I called him. I was like, "What
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are you talking about?" We He explained
it to me. I'm like, "And I told him that
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I think it's great. It's great." I have
reservations on a couple of things
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specifically about it because I think
what this I care committee can do is a
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little is happy medium. So,
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I think it's goals and its success
metrics, as he stated, are going to be
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able to speak to all the perspectives of
the community concerns. And it doesn't
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knock out whether it's Tulsa Port
Authority or Sofidel or any other
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company that comes in and there's
concern, those outside perspectives are
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still going to be heard because this
committee is going to be subject to the
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open meetings act.
It's going to be
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have minutes. Everybody knows what's
going on. They can attend, we can ask
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questions, invite them in for their
perspective. So, I think it's a happy
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medium in that aspect.
Um, but one of my worries with this
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advisory committee already is that
if we're going to have enough people
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that can be credible, do the research,
take the time, and
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be reliable, and and be unbiased in
argument to bring facts and not their
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personal their personal bias, right?
Finding those already, I think it's
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going to be difficult to
to maintain. So,
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um
it's important to understand what that
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steering committee idea does, that they
can organize the process, um identify
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the qualified participants, create the
structure,
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um and be productive and balanced, and
most importantly,
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keep it credible, right? Because it's
going to have all the the different
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entities, if you will, not just
community members, but
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ultimately, the town is the entity
that's responsible for appointing the
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committee.
The town's insurance language defines an
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employee that would cover this advisory
committee as
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broadly to include persons authorized to
act on behalf of the town, including
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appointed officers, members of
governing bodies, and other persons
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designated to act for the named insured,
which is the town.
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So, if we bring in, whether it's I'm
going to use Sofidel or Toll Brothers,
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right? Cuz they're existing. We bring
them in and they're part of the
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committee, who who can who can actually
clearly define that that industrial
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developer owner is acting on behalf of
the town?
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Um and I can give you an example, cuz my
mind it works uh it works in worst-case
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scenario and risk. So, just throw out
whatever that worst-case scenario is
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whenever you're talking about liability.
Um
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I think the I care that committee
approach still achieves the goals of
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transparency uh for the community
representation and does not knock out
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any of those additional people.
Okay.
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» I've got a question for you. So, you
were talking about
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with the Sofidel or the uh with the
port. Are you talking about in the
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steering committee or on the I care?
>> In the steering committee.
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» Okay. Okay.
>> The the the advisory committee because
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then it's uh
>> Well, it from
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» appointing somebody. So, then how does
that work as far as the definition of
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who's covered under the town liability
in that worst case worst case scenario?
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» Well, under that the care uh committee,
I don't think we would have somebody
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from Sofidel or from uh the port. That
would be under the steering committee.
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» Right. Right.
>> that would that would be completely
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different in that aspect.
>> Okay.
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» I don't think I think and I'm speaking
myself. I I wouldn't want somebody. I
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would want actual just citizens
uh living here uh in the the I care
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committee and then in the steering
committee then have people representing
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the businesses and things like that cuz
they can give, you know, different
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perspectives on that. But in the I care,
I really feel strong about, you know,
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citizens like you guys being on that.
And I see Tom agrees with me here.
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» All right. So, maybe So, uh
Well, I was going to say kind of it they
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they
Yeah. It's it's discussion of that that
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I worry about with the steering
committee, right? Where I'm going
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Okay.
They choose him to be this on the
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steering committee to appoint somebody
to speak to the advisory committee,
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right?
>> Well, and that's so I think that's not
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really what I'm
That's not really the purpose of the
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steering committee.
>> Okay.
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» Why don't Why don't you let me go on?
Yeah. Let me go ahead and read number
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four and then let's let's go from there.
Thomas, if you don't mind.
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Uh discussion, consideration, and action
to adopt resolution 2026-09,
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appointing a steering committee to
develop and recommend founding
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documents establishing a committee
advisory
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a community advisory committee to
provide independent review and input
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related to did it to industrial and
community
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commercial development. I'm so sorry.
Okay. Now, Thomas, would you mind?
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» So, my first question is on that.
Um is the resolution the same that I had
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seen previously? Basically,
can you summarize that for everybody?
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» Uh yes, it's it's
provides for steering committee
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uh
as drafted, would have seven members,
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one designated by the board, one by I
know schools, one by the town, and four
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by the from the community
appointed by the
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And then your job would be develop
something like that here. The way I see
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it.
>> Yes.
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» Now,
what what direction it goes, I think
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that would be up to the steering
committee.
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So, I don't envision there being a
steering committee that lasts forever.
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I envision the steering committee, as
you and I discussed, being the creator
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of governing documents. And then they
would finish their job. And then we
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would have whatever committee
we all agree with that would be the two
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committees.
>> Yeah.
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Well, and I I guess so, and I apologize,
this may have been on me explaining it
[22:34]
poorly last time. So, in my mind,
exactly what Thomas is saying, the
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steering committee is a very very
temporary organization. It is not
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designed to appoint the council or the
the CAC, the advisory board that follows
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it. Its only goal is to get all the
stakeholders in one room, which the port
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is a critical part of that um as far as
the stakeholders go, cuz obviously
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they're the owner of the industrial
park. Um so, they have to be a
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stakeholder for input. Um the the the
businesses in that industrial park also
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have to be input into the steering
committee. That is not to say that the
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port would get to choose that Andrew
would get to vote I throw him out there
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again that Andrew would get to vote on
who from the community
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is on the advisory board. It's only
purpose is to develop the actual
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documents like what you did which is the
I care and say hey these are our goals
[23:25]
as the advisory board. Our goals are to
reduce citizen complaints. Our goals are
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develop a safety plan that incorporates
the community and the county and
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everybody involved. You know, that
steering committee just makes those
[23:37]
initial documents and they make the
eligibility. So they might say okay hey
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we want varied background. We want at
least two people that have a knowledge
[23:45]
of public safety and fire and health. We
want one person that has an engineering
[23:49]
background. We want one person that has
a finance or a business in the area. Um,
[23:53]
the steering committee just makes those
kind of broad guidelines to then say
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okay however we however the steering
committee comes up with a metric to
[24:03]
elect or ask for people to participate
on the advisory board kind of like you
[24:07]
guys were mentioning that's separate.
That's separate from the steering
[24:10]
committee. It's not directed by that
first steering committee. It's just to
[24:15]
get everybody in the same room so we can
actually talk about how the advisory
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board needs to look. And I think the I
care is a great is a great starting
[24:22]
point to say hey this is kind of what
the community wants. How does that play
[24:25]
into what the town wants? How does that
play into what the port wants? How does
[24:29]
that play into the broader stakeholders
that aren't just the citizens. But I I
[24:33]
agree the final advisory committee
typically those members are community
[24:39]
members. There will always be a
industrial representative who is like a
[24:44]
liaison or non-voting however you want
to phrase it. But you need their input,
[24:48]
right? So if we had this committee and
the aluminum smelter was not part of the
[24:54]
committee at all then you wouldn't have
any information to report on and act on,
[24:58]
right? You would just be getting citizen
information and it would kind of just be
[25:01]
a complaint sport. So, you have to have
involvement from the stakeholder company
[25:05]
in order to actually have an actionable
committee, right? Because you can say,
[25:09]
"Hey, the citizens have noticed an
increase in truck traffic this last
[25:12]
couple months." And the company can come
up and come back and say, "Yeah, we have
[25:15]
a turnaround, so we had twice as many
trucks for the next month and then it'll
[25:20]
go back to normal." And you can hold
them accountable to that by saying,
[25:22]
"Hey,
after that 2 months you told us about,
[25:26]
we're still seeing more trucks. What's
going on?" And that is part of the open
[25:29]
minutes, open meetings act and it would
all be recorded under the final advisory
[25:34]
committee. So, I apologize. We really
have to break those two committees
[25:37]
apart, but the steering committee is not
a long-lasting, not a permanent
[25:42]
organization. It's just a
"What do we want this to actually look
[25:46]
like? Let's get" And I And I actually If
seven's too many, I think five from the
[25:51]
community, like you're saying, each one
of you point one and then a port and
[25:56]
somebody else, I I think that's
wonderful. I don't The numbers I'm
[26:00]
definitely open to
interpretation on it. I think if the
[26:03]
resolution passes with seven, fine.
Um
[26:06]
I think that no matter what, if you get
citizens from the community, the port,
[26:11]
the town in one room to say,
"How do we want to better protect
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everybody?" And it helps the port and it
helps the town. And like you're saying,
[26:19]
from liability, that the future
committee can help mitigate a lot of
[26:23]
that liability, right? It's not going to
be the port
[26:27]
appointing somebody to protect the city.
It's not the purpose of the
[26:31]
uh of the steering committee. So, I
hopefully clarified a little bit.
[26:35]
Questions? Comments? Anybody?
>> Does anybody have any comments or
[26:41]
questions about this?
>> I have a question.
[26:45]
What What is the timeline that we're
talking about? And I know initially when
[26:48]
we were talking about
putting this committee together,
[26:52]
it was to address a lot of the concerns
that we have as you guys begin to
[26:57]
negotiate the development agreement.
Getting some protections in place for
[27:01]
the public, for the community, right?
And so, I'm just curious, like if we
[27:07]
have to have a steering committee before
we can go forward, like we need to get
[27:11]
to work talking about how do we get
those protections negotiated in that
[27:18]
development agreement?
Does that make sense?
[27:20]
» Mhm.
>> Is that clear?
[27:21]
» Mhm.
I would say personally, I don't see the
[27:25]
steering committee as related to that.
It would have to That would be a
[27:27]
separate committee. That would be like
you're going to make a steering
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committee to enact this advisory count
The advisory council's reactionary. It's
[27:34]
down the road, right? It's hey, for the
port industrial complex, we want this
[27:39]
citizens advisory council for everything
moving forward. You can't really make an
[27:43]
advisory council to say,
you know, go retroactively back to the
[27:48]
start of the project and say, "Hey, we
want to fix this thing." You can't do
[27:51]
that with this type of council. Um so,
that'd be a different type of committees
[27:54]
that the city would have to say we want
an advisory committee on something else
[27:59]
that's not not what I'm talking about.
So, that would be separate.
[28:02]
» So, that is what was envisioned with the
I Care Committee.
[28:06]
That was
the genesis of that.
[28:10]
That we want to put a committee together
that can take all of the suggestions
[28:13]
that we've heard here at City Council
meetings talking about how do we protect
[28:17]
our
land? How do we get monitoring? How do
[28:21]
we ensure that these things are built
into the development agreement? That's
[28:26]
why we came up with the idea, let's get
a
[28:29]
citizens committee together that can
hash all that out and then bring to you,
[28:34]
the City Council and the City Manager,
ideas, like concrete things that you can
[28:41]
say, "Yes, let's do that." I'm assuming,
and I may be wrong, that that
[28:45]
development agreement has not yet been
negotiated.
[28:48]
And so, this is where we have some
urgency. We want this community
[28:52]
together. We want to talk about all the
things that have been brought up here,
[28:57]
the concerns citizens have. Um
you know, prior to prior industrial
[29:02]
park, they went forward and it was 2
years ago that legislation was proposed
[29:07]
because they had a huge shortfall in
what to do with the hazardous waste and
[29:12]
fire suppression there.
And they went to the state and asked for
[29:15]
millions of dollars to try to do that.
What my idea is what what we've been
[29:20]
talking about is let's get in on the
front end.
[29:24]
Let's build those things into the the
development agreement so that we're not
[29:28]
looking back and going, "Oh, there's
holes that now, like Thomas said, it's
[29:32]
too late for us to fix."
We want to citizens community hash out
[29:36]
these ideas, come up with ideas.
We have no power other than to bring
[29:42]
those ideas to you.
You have all the power. You appoint the
[29:46]
committee members, hopefully taking into
consideration the criteria that you've
[29:50]
established.
But you you appoint the committee
[29:53]
members. The committee works together.
They come back with their
[29:56]
recommendations to you. And then it's up
to you whether or not you act on them.
[30:00]
That is my main vision with I Care. I
don't know that the the steering
[30:05]
committee is
I don't see how that fits into what
[30:09]
we're talking about.
Does that make sense? Do you have any
[30:12]
questions about that?
>> I understand what you're saying. Do you
[30:15]
agree with
>> I would fully agree that that is not
[30:17]
that is not what the steering committee
or the the future advisory board would
[30:21]
be. So, if that's if that's what you're
seeking, that's not what I'm proposing.
[30:26]
Uh my mine would definitely have
community input for any future projects.
[30:29]
And you'd have that I mean, you'd
already have the committee and you'd
[30:32]
have the relation with the port. So, a
future project would see something that
[30:37]
you could do that up front. Um but it's
not something that this committee would
[30:41]
say, "Okay, retroactively you can go
back." And I
[30:44]
personally I think that's a little
cautious to say we're going to reach
[30:47]
back retroactively to form a committee
to study something.
[30:51]
Um so, I I I think it's a different
thing. I don't know what it would be. It
[30:54]
would be a
I don't know, a city legislative
[31:00]
regulation regulatory advisory committee
or something.
[31:04]
It can be I Yeah, I care. Um so, it's uh
anything like that, but it would
[31:08]
definitely be separate from what what I
proposed.
[31:14]
» Does anybody else have anything you'd
like to say on this matter?
[31:18]
» I would just tag on and say based on
what Thomas has represented, I think
[31:22]
this is completely separate. I would
urge the commission to
[31:27]
or the council tonight to approve the I
care so that we can move forward.
[31:32]
I'm not sure how
his steering committee thing works in
[31:38]
with this, but I would uh
respectfully request that you
[31:42]
approve the I care
[31:45]
» I think I think I think they can be
completely independent. I don't think
[31:48]
it's
Yeah, one or the other.
[31:51]
» So, I I I agree.
When we had the first discussion, I
[31:56]
provided you
with uh
[31:59]
copies of something Oklahoma City did.
That was with the police department, but
[32:03]
it was an arm and agency of the town.
>> Mhm.
[32:06]
» Um
truly working under the direction of the
[32:10]
town, not the old direction, but
appointed by the council of the town.
[32:14]
And so, what Thomas is talking about, he
shared a lot of those documents with me.
[32:18]
It is a little bit of a different
creature. So, and it sounds like that's
[32:23]
probably less pressing
>> Mhm.
[32:24]
» than the I care.
Um
[32:27]
I now I have a I have a problem with
appointing a steering committee because
[32:30]
if you appoint a steering committee for
that, they can take as much time as they
[32:34]
want
>> Mhm.
[32:35]
» to develop that concept down the road.
But if you want to get the I care
[32:40]
created
being different, I I see no
[32:44]
problem with that. I agree there's
really a good distinction with what
[32:47]
they're describing. Yeah.
I think if you could approve tonight, I
[32:51]
would like to
put that in the resolution maybe on the
[32:54]
next agenda. We still approve the
concept tonight.
[32:58]
Maybe fine tune the document and have it
approved some of the concepts we talked
[33:02]
about with insurance if it's going to be
We reached out to Omac to make sure
[33:08]
that they would be covered. Right. And
what what is an employee? So if they're
[33:12]
within that parameter, they would be
a true
[33:16]
advisory board with independence
from the board of selectmen.
[33:22]
So,
what you're saying is that we need to
[33:25]
make a motion to uh
uh
[33:28]
» Create a resolution for the I care
committee.
[33:30]
» Yes.
>> Yeah.
[33:32]
» Yes. Uh yes, Tommy. Yes.
>> Yes.
[33:35]
» Uh I'll make a motion to create a
resolution to create the I care
[33:40]
committee for the town of Aynor.
>> Okay, I'll second that.
[33:46]
Mark made the motion, second by Darlene.
Larry?
[33:49]
» Yes.
>> Mark?
[33:50]
» Yes.
>> Darlene?
[33:50]
» Yes.
>> Now we're going to go back to number
[33:52]
four and
where we're going to adopt a resolution
[33:57]
2026-09
[34:00]
and Mark, would you like to make a
motion on that?
[34:03]
» make a motion to adopt
resolution 2026-09
[34:10]
for appointing a steering committee and
development
[34:14]
and recommending funding documents
establishing a community
[34:20]
advisory committee.
>> I'll second that.
[34:23]
Mark made the motion, second by Darlene.
Larry?
[34:26]
» Yes.
>> Mark?
[34:27]
» Yes.
>> Darlene?
[34:28]
» Yes.
>> Thank you.
[34:30]
Okay.
Town administrator update.
[34:48]
» Inside your packets today, there was a
legal-size sheet of ARPA.
[34:54]
I wanted to cover that with you and give
you an update on where we're at on all
[34:58]
the ARPA money that we've had for the
last year and a half or so.
[35:02]
And tell you what we're thinking about
for the remaining portion of that.
[35:06]
In total,
the town was awarded about 11 and a half
[35:10]
million dollars.
And you can see the contracts that we
[35:14]
have signed to execute on our sewer
lines,
[35:16]
as well as the sewer plant and the lift
station at Green Valley.
[35:21]
Uh those projects are nearing
completion. There's one change order
[35:25]
left to probably go through for Circle
B, but
[35:28]
at the moment under the current
contracts, there's about $820,000 left.
[35:34]
We have met Dwayne, James Kilpatrick,
myself,
[35:39]
the port, as well as
um Carrie Gestir went through the
[35:43]
numbers. We all verified that we're on
the right numbers.
[35:47]
We have given you in the remaining items
box in the bottom right corner
[35:52]
items that we are looking at. First of
all, the Circle B change order is
[35:55]
something we basically have to do in
order to finish up stuff at the sewer
[35:59]
plant.
The other four items below that are the
[36:02]
projects that we deemed to be
sewer-related projects that we all can
[36:07]
sign off on that fit within the scope of
the ARPA money that we were awarded.
[36:13]
And so, we're going to be bringing or
doing moving forward with existing
[36:16]
contracts on those, but I did want you
all to know about them.
[36:19]
If you have any issues, let me know, but
that will basically spend the rest of
[36:24]
our remaining money.
Uh and we have to get this done because
[36:27]
the ARPA money starts closing out in
September.
[36:31]
So,
we will
[36:33]
move forward with those items
unless you all have some input on
[36:36]
something else you would like for us to
look at.
[36:39]
» Gentlemen, do you all have any questions
on this?
[36:41]
» No.
>> You good?
[36:42]
» Any questions?
>> No, Scott and I went over with
[36:45]
» Okay.
>> We talked and I think we got it within
[36:48]
20,000.
>> We're within 40,000 of spending the
[36:51]
whole 11 and 1/2 million dollars, so
>> Okay.
[36:54]
» that's pretty good. We don't know that
some of those estimates that we've
[36:56]
written down are are high or low yet, so
don't want to get too close, especially
[37:02]
it could trigger some extra financial
impact on us if we trip some levels that
[37:08]
we don't want to do.
I'll move on to my other items.
[37:12]
Uh, Horseshoe is finishing up sewer
lines in the in the town. They're all
[37:16]
pulled now.
Uh, so all the red clay tile has now
[37:20]
been replaced.
They still have about 2 to 3 weeks worth
[37:24]
of work doing asphalt repairs,
um,
[37:28]
going in and finding sinking spots in
the places that they've dug for sewer
[37:33]
taps, putting down some sod.
Uh, they also have about a dozen
[37:37]
manholes left to reseal.
So, those all be taking place. So,
[37:41]
within the next 2 to 3 weeks they're
pretty much pulling out uh, as complete.
[37:47]
» Are they going to be
uh, replacing the the asphalt in the the
[37:51]
roads and uh, parking lots?
>> They're supposed to be going back and
[37:55]
redoing those segments cuz some of them
have settled and that kind of thing, so
[37:59]
there's been a lot of issues related to
that. I know I will on behalf of the
[38:03]
contractor argue a little bit that
they've needed some rain to settle it
[38:07]
in. We've had those rains now, so a lot
of that compaction has taken place. So,
[38:12]
now they can come in and finish tidying
up. There's probably still some fences
[38:15]
to be fixed.
>> Right.
[38:16]
» Uh, so but if you've got items that
aren't getting done, let them know and
[38:20]
we'll make sure and get it on their
list.
[38:24]
Okay.
The hail storm Friday night, we had
[38:28]
seven at least seven vehicles damaged.
We'll be looking to talk to OMAG about
[38:33]
those.
Um
[38:35]
2 Mile Road,
I think guardrails got put up on the
[38:39]
creek crossing there.
I think those I haven't been down there
[38:42]
to look today, but they were supposed to
be put up. I don't know if end of last
[38:45]
week or today.
We have additional signage being put
[38:49]
together for
2 Mile Road.
[38:52]
The striping of that is supposed to take
place on the 18th.
[38:56]
We do have a little bit of extra money
left over from paving of 2 Mile.
[39:02]
I have talked to OMAG or excuse me,
INCOG about that. Um and they have
[39:08]
verbally said and I have to write them a
letter to allow us to use that remaining
[39:12]
money to buy some concrete culverts.
Um some of which we did right there at
[39:17]
at Heather Road, but also
I have estimated right now that we need
[39:23]
about another $20,000 worth of or
$15,000 worth of
[39:27]
concrete culverts that will work out
here in front of our property for the
[39:31]
new fire station and
the new library. So, that's going to get
[39:36]
that bought and we can set that on the
side and we have it ready.
[39:39]
The
uh governmentdeals.com is supposed to be
[39:43]
on the 26th to get all their pictures
taken to get our stuff put online.
[39:49]
587 Road, the county is getting ready to
pave it. We talked about that a month or
[39:53]
two ago. We put some money towards that
project. They're actually, I think up in
[39:57]
Carpenter addition right now doing some
uh spot repairs uh related to some stuff
[40:03]
we funded uh few weeks ago.
The Green Valley lift station, we
[40:09]
finally got the power turned on to the
new lift station late last week.
[40:13]
Uh anticipating that we'll be flipping
over to the new lift station here in the
[40:17]
next few days
and be able to shut down and demo the
[40:20]
old one.
We've also
[40:23]
have spent a lot of time on storm
sirens. Um
[40:29]
as of today, the storm siren guys are
saying
[40:33]
our sirens are quite old and they need
to be replaced, which is could be a
[40:37]
million dollars.
Um
[40:40]
up towards that, but right now we're
going to go ahead and move forward with
[40:43]
repairs on those and that's going to be
about another $6,000.
[40:48]
Um and let it go as long as it will go
and we'll try to look for grants and
[40:52]
other things for that type of repair.
That's my update.
[40:57]
» Thank you, Scott.
[41:00]
Okay. Number six, discussion,
consideration, and possible action to
[41:05]
seek bids for harvesting hay on town's
property located on 4210 Road south of
[41:11]
Heather Road.
>> I'd like to go ahead and move forward
[41:14]
with publicizing that for
uh the hay to be sold, so
[41:19]
» We do that every year.
>> We do it every year.
[41:21]
» Yes. Yes.
>> I'll make a motion to uh seek bids for
[41:27]
harvesting hay on the city's property
south of uh
[41:32]
42
uh located on 4210 south of Heather
[41:35]
Road.
>> Yes. I'll second.
[41:37]
» We're going to put
time on
[41:41]
» I would like to have the bids in here by
the time we meet next time.
[41:44]
» Yes.
>> So,
[41:45]
before 6:00 on the
26th
[41:49]
» Yeah,
6:00 before the meeting starts.
[41:51]
» Yes.
>> Yes, that's
[41:54]
I
>> How do we want to publish that?
[41:57]
» The only way to publish it is on our
>> website as well as potentially out on
[42:02]
our sign and then we can do the Clay
County Leader paper. That's the only
[42:05]
ways we can do it right now.
>> Yeah, I'll say
[42:07]
» I Yeah.
>> website, on the sign, and Clay County
[42:09]
Leader Progress.
>> That would be our anticipation.
[42:12]
» Yeah.
>> Agreed.
[42:16]
I'll second the motion to have that
done.
[42:19]
» Mark made the motion, second by Darlene.
Larry?
[42:21]
» Yes.
>> Mark?
[42:22]
» Yes.
>> Darlene?
[42:23]
» Yes.
>> Um discussion, consideration, and
[42:27]
possible action to approve interlocal
local agreement with Rogers County for
[42:31]
South Adele plan and permit review.
>> You have in front of you an interlocal
[42:38]
agreement that uh has been very similar
to what we've had in the past with the
[42:43]
county and at that point in time it
included the port.
[42:47]
We have taken the port out of this
agreement uh and kind of streamlined it
[42:52]
to the way the
work is taking place between the county
[42:56]
and the town as we've taken over some of
the responsibilities.
[43:00]
Uh and this agreement will allow us to
be able to handle
[43:04]
the permitting process as well as the
inspections and making sure what's
[43:08]
clarified between us.
Uh and it lasts through the current
[43:13]
South Adele expansion.
[43:18]
» Tommy, you've uh
gone all through this, I think. Okay.
[43:22]
» Okay. And it looks fine.
Good. Okay.
[43:25]
» Yeah.
>> Okay.
[43:28]
Um I'm going to make a motion to approve
the interlocal local agreement with
[43:32]
Rogers County for the South Adele plan
and permit review.
[43:35]
» I'll second.
[43:40]
» Darlene made the motion, second by Mark.
Larry?
[43:42]
» Yes.
>> Mark?
[43:43]
» Yes.
>> Darlene?
[43:43]
» Yes.
>> Number eight, discussion, consideration,
[43:47]
and possible action to hold a public
hearing on application number 2025-1217
[43:54]
of owners of record, Skipper and Julie
Lewis, to change zoning from SFR to IL
[44:03]
for following property.
All of blocks 1, 12, and 18 of South of
[44:09]
I know it in addition to the town of I
know it's Rogers County, Oklahoma
[44:14]
according to the recorded thereof.
And um
[44:19]
I'm going to make a motion that we open
that public hearing at this time.
[44:23]
» I'll second that.
[44:27]
» Arlene made the motion, second by Mark.
Larry?
[44:29]
» Yes.
>> Mark?
[44:30]
» Yes.
>> Arlene?
[44:31]
» Yes.
>> Okay.
[44:33]
Um
I do have it down here that
[44:36]
Chris, I believe you were down that you
wanted to make
[44:41]
a comment on this.
[44:46]
» Thank you. Um so I want to talk about
how this matter came before you tonight
[44:51]
and I want to be clear. My comments
pertain to the process.
[44:55]
I am not making any claims about Mr.
James Shafer's character as I understand
[45:00]
he's highly regarded. Um this item is
before was before the planning and
[45:04]
zoning on March the 31st. On the agenda
was also a question of whether Mr. James
[45:09]
Shafer, the chair of planning and zoning
should recuse himself from voting on the
[45:13]
item given the fact that the request was
made by a person that he works with
[45:19]
in a real estate office that is owned by
his father-in-law and where his wife
[45:23]
also works. And so to avoid even the
appearance of impropriety, the right
[45:29]
thing for Mr. Shafer to do would have
been to voluntarily recuse himself from
[45:34]
discussion or vote. Instead, he defended
his ability to participate in the vote
[45:40]
claiming he had no financial interest in
the matter.
[45:43]
While he was present, public concerns
were expressed about the obvious
[45:46]
conflict of interest to which a number
of community members stood up to defend
[45:52]
him as being above reproach. After Mr.
Shafer excused himself from the room, it
[45:57]
was up to the four remaining members to
decide whether he should be recused.
[46:02]
Instead of discussing the importance of
government operating in a manner that is
[46:06]
above reproach and avoid voiding even
the appearance of bias or favoritism or
[46:13]
influence trading in how this city does
business,
[46:17]
all the comments were about his
character.
[46:21]
There was a circling of the wagons
around Mr. Shafer that completely missed
[46:25]
the point.
The legitimacy of the process is called
[46:30]
into question and public trust is broken
when these kinds of conflicts of
[46:35]
interest exist and are permitted. And it
is up to you, City Council, and every
[46:40]
member of a public board of this city
to protect the integrity of our
[46:46]
processes so that the public has
confidence that the decisions you make
[46:50]
are in the best interest of the town and
not in your personal interests or the
[46:55]
interests of your family or friends.
So, the impression created by the
[46:59]
discussion was that any vote by the
commission member to recuse Mr. Shafer
[47:03]
would have somehow been a vote of no
confidence on his character, which was
[47:07]
not what the point was.
Three of the four members voted that he
[47:11]
did not need to recuse himself.
After that vote, Mr. Shafer returned to
[47:16]
this chamber chamber and he was the
primary speaker in favor of the zoning
[47:19]
change. Even when the commission was
presented with public comments pointing
[47:24]
out how this rezoning is inconsistent
with Enola's 2025 comprehensive plan,
[47:30]
his conclusion was that from his
perspective this rezoning works and he
[47:35]
voted in favor of it.
I am respectfully requesting that this
[47:39]
council send this matter back to
planning and zoning for reconsideration
[47:44]
and please direct Mr. James Shafer to
recuse himself from any decision
[47:49]
involving
planning and zoning requests from agents
[47:53]
that he works with. Okay. Thank you.
[47:58]
Anybody else?
[48:06]
Mr. Wase?
[48:12]
Go ahead.
>> Um
[48:14]
So, this property was for sale
uh and I did go to the
[48:19]
planning and zoning board and looked at
the future use
[48:23]
which was light industrial. That's one
reason I pursued it.
[48:26]
Uh at the real estate office, we do get
people
[48:30]
for instance, want to put in storage
units or want to park equipment.
[48:35]
Um both of those zonings
would take light industrial according to
[48:39]
our rules.
So, if you look in town, there's
[48:42]
equipment parked
that is not in
[48:46]
the
correct area. What we are wanting to do
[48:49]
is do it correctly.
Um
[48:52]
I don't need
[48:55]
the light industrial if if it if the
storage units weren't light industrial
[48:59]
or parking equipment was light
industrial. You see what I'm saying? I'm
[49:02]
following your guys's recommendations
if that makes sense. The future use that
[49:07]
I seen on there was light industrial and
for me to put storage units in or the
[49:12]
other or park equipment, which I'm
saying a dump truck, a trailer
[49:16]
a skid steer in town.
Uh electrician wants to have
[49:20]
his shop there. You know what I'm
saying? You also got to understand where
[49:23]
this property is located. You have the
railroad track right beside.
[49:26]
You have a cell tower and then you have
the lagoons. I don't think it is a
[49:31]
proper place
uh for somebody to want to build a
[49:35]
house. I've not had anybody
come to me and want to build a house
[49:38]
right there by the railroad tracks.
So, to me it makes sense
[49:42]
uh you know, looking at what you guys
the future uh
[49:47]
plans was
uh light industrial. So, that's one
[49:51]
reason that we purchased it
and wanted to change the zoning of it to
[49:55]
do something with the property besides
let it sit there.
[49:58]
There's two old storage contest boxes
and a bunch of stuff that we've cleaned
[50:01]
up. That we've done a lot of stuff to
it.
[50:03]
And a lot of the dirt over there, I know
people have complained about. We're
[50:06]
putting it over in the
filling up the lagoons.
[50:10]
» Mhm.
>> And we talked about that in the planning
[50:11]
and zoning
uh
[50:14]
meeting last time. A lot of that dirt, I
don't know exactly how much it is. We're
[50:18]
supposed to get a square footage on it.
That dirt is going to fill three of the
[50:21]
lagoons over there.
So, we kind of killed two birds with one
[50:25]
stone, too. And we did get a dirt
permit, which I'm sure
[50:28]
might be a little excessive, but
that's all I got. I mean, if you guys
[50:33]
have any questions for me or
>> Thank you, Mr. Weese.
[50:38]
James, do you have any comments on this?
[50:44]
Gentlemen?
>> So, the the property that Duncan Cabinet
[50:48]
has there, what is that zoned as?
>> He has some residential.
[50:54]
I think that's how his home
>> They have a commercial business.
[50:59]
» I would have him
>> I know there's a house in front of it up
[51:03]
there, but then they you know, it's a
commercial business that they it's at
[51:08]
the backside of it there.
What is the property where TDS is
[51:13]
parking their trucks on the opposite
side of the tracks? What is it zoned as?
[51:17]
» TDS is a utility.
>> Okay.
[51:20]
» Right here right now.
>> Yeah.
[51:22]
» Is a utility.
>> Yeah.
[51:23]
» So, and the same would be with the
uh sailor antenna.
[51:27]
» So, it it's zoned as utility
or is it zoned like
[51:32]
» I
I would have to look at the map. I can
[51:35]
tell you that the property that Mr. and
Mrs. Weese bought
[51:39]
» Yeah.
>> falls under the Lewis 6
[51:43]
or uh property use not in the zoning
code
[51:47]
but in the comprehensive plan, which is
a recommendation.
[51:52]
Now, when you look at Louis 6, it talks
about commercial,
[51:56]
which is allowable,
and light industrial, which is possible.
[52:02]
» Yeah.
>> Okay?
[52:04]
The question that I
uh presented uh
[52:07]
to the
planning and zoning committee was
[52:13]
what type of
commercial entity would want to be next
[52:18]
to the railroad track
and next door, in essence, to five
[52:23]
lagoons.
It didn't make sense.
[52:28]
One of the things uh to understand is
that the
[52:32]
comprehensive plan is a guide.
It was a guide that was put together in
[52:38]
2019.
We do not have a major corridor that
[52:44]
runs by that property that Louis 6
typically indicates would be a
[52:50]
commercial property with everything
around it. It seemed to me that it fits
[52:56]
within the criteria. I will speak this
one thing
[53:00]
about the
uh issue of whether I should have
[53:04]
recused myself or not. When you look at
the rezoning
[53:10]
criteria, we have to meet.
We need to If we say no, we need to be
[53:17]
able to say to the owners, "We said no
because
[53:22]
of a reason." The um
the majority of the planning and zoning
[53:29]
committee members felt that uh it met
the criteria. We had one who didn't vote
[53:36]
no or yes, and chose to abstain, and it
was passed.
[53:42]
I didn't see again
while I work for my father-in-law
[53:49]
while my brother-in-law is um
contracted as the city attorney
[53:56]
I did not have I don't own part of the
financial I don't own part of the real
[54:03]
estate company.
I am a
[54:06]
contracted laborer.
[54:11]
I didn't have the property listed.
I didn't sell it on on the on behalf of
[54:17]
I represent Mr. Weast when he purchased
it.
[54:21]
That was a
a file that he put together. There was
[54:26]
another agency
that had the property listed. He brought
[54:32]
himself and his wife as a buyer as a
licensed agent.
[54:37]
Commission went to them. The commission
went to the office. I don't receive part
[54:42]
of another agent's commission.
[54:48]
I will remind council
that when ELDAR came before
[54:54]
uh planning and zoning because I was a
member of ELDAR
[55:00]
I did
recuse myself
[55:04]
because I sat on that committee and for
me to make a vote for ELDAR I felt would
[55:10]
not be appropriate as I had sat on the
committee to make a decision to present
[55:16]
to that board.
[55:21]
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[55:22]
» Thank
Anybody else have any
[55:27]
comments or anything you want to discuss
about I'm sorry. Anybody else have
[55:31]
anything you want to discuss about this
miss uh
[55:35]
in this public hearing before we close
it.
[55:39]
Yes.
>> Obviously, I've done research. This is
[55:43]
the first I've heard about any of this.
I feel like James and what what's
[55:49]
didn't really address Chris's concern.
Chris's concern to me was interpreted
[55:54]
more as concerns about like the ethics
of the zoning board or corruption.
[55:59]
Not about what it was presented as the
way it was presented to you guys.
[56:04]
I think these people are the ones that
are trying to bring it
[56:07]
out to our community, guys.
But, there is a clear conflict of
[56:11]
interest in this situation, and
that's all I'd like to add to that at
[56:16]
this point.
appropriately by the gentleman.
[56:20]
» Okay. Thank you.
Gentlemen?
[56:27]
» I'm good.
>> Okay.
[56:28]
Okay.
Yes.
[56:30]
» How How does the city currently handle
reviewing or auditing
[56:38]
» The zoning ordinance itself has a
procedure
[56:41]
which I think what I heard described is
followed.
[56:45]
The zoning ordinance
says it can be brought up in the board
[56:48]
and essence makes the decision.
>> So, the board audits itself to determine
[56:52]
whether the conflict of interest was
okay or not.
[56:55]
» Yes, that's correct.
>> But, there's no So, the member of the
[56:57]
board first makes
the determination should I should I not
[57:01]
withdraw or presents it to the board. I
don't have that
[57:05]
» I don't think but
Sorry, I have to apologize. The board is
[57:08]
the zoning committee itself
decides whether the conflict of interest
[57:13]
is okay.
>> That's correct. And I don't recall if
[57:15]
there's an appeal procedure.
>> So, I have That's That was my question.
[57:18]
Is there any appeal to this council to
say, "Hey, the citizen said
[57:22]
I think that decision Is there any other
oversight to that decision made or is it
[57:27]
just the committee decides
>> I don't recall. My memory of it in that
[57:30]
ordinance versus specifically I don't
recall.
[57:34]
» Yeah, I don't recall.
[57:38]
» I don't
>> And again, his his board is is again
[57:42]
like a an advisory board. His his is not
the final decision. It's our
[57:47]
to make the final decision on it. It's
just them making the recommendation to
[57:52]
approve
look at it, make sure it follows the
[57:55]
criteria, and then make the
recommendation to us to either change
[57:59]
the zoning or not
>> change the zoning.
[58:00]
» So technically speaking, the appeal
would be
[58:03]
when it comes to you with the
recommendation if the council's interest
[58:06]
was discussed the council member from
the community would be your
[58:11]
responsibility to say, "Hey, we know you
guys said that was an acceptable
[58:14]
conflict of interest, but
we don't feel that that was the right
[58:19]
decision." It's kind
>> Yeah, if we
[58:20]
» Yes.
>> Yeah, so there
[58:22]
state law requires an initial hearing.
And then an appeal. Our ordinance is
[58:27]
actually more extensive, and it's always
a recommendation.
[58:31]
Final decision is here.
Um we actually this is a separate public
[58:35]
hearing, which our ordinance requires.
And so, as Mark said, the decision's
[58:40]
going to be made tonight. The
recommendation
[58:43]
is is relevant, carries some weight, but
it's entirely your decision.
[58:47]
So, they do have those options to
approve, deny, send it back, all those
[58:52]
things. So, effectively, yes, it's
comes before them for final decision.
[58:57]
» So, then the the mechanism is they could
say to the council that they don't say,
[59:01]
"I don't think this is right." And it's
up to you guys
[59:03]
» Yeah, they they could they could say
they agree, send it back
[59:08]
for another recommendation, then it
comes back for another public hearing.
[59:11]
If they were to send it back, then the
outcome would be that you guys Yeah.
[59:14]
Thank you.
>> Anybody else?
[59:19]
Okay.
Uh discussion, consideration, and
[59:21]
possible action to close the public
hearing. I I'll that we close the public
[59:26]
hearing at this time.
>> I'll second it.
[59:30]
» Motion made by Darlene, second by Mark.
Larry?
[59:32]
» Yes.
>> Mark?
[59:33]
» Yes.
>> Darlene?
[59:34]
» Yes.
>> Number 10, discussion, consideration,
[59:37]
and possible action on application
number 2025-1217
[59:43]
of owners of record, Skipper and Julia
Wase, to change zoning from SFR to IL
[59:50]
for following property, all of the
blocks of 1, 12, and 18 of South Iola in
[59:57]
addition to the town of Iola's Rogers
County, Oklahoma, according to the
[1:00:01]
record thereof.
Gentlemen?
[1:00:08]
Yes, sir.
[1:00:24]
Okay.
Okay.
[1:00:47]
Mhm.
[1:01:23]
If you have concerns about any of those
then
[1:01:25]
you would either send it back for
further study
[1:01:28]
or you could deny it.
If you don't have any, then you can
[1:01:31]
approve it. And obviously, you can
discuss the issues related to the
[1:01:34]
conflict.
>> Mhm.
[1:01:42]
What do you think, gentlemen?
>> Well, I see the property. It's It's up
[1:01:46]
against the railroad tracks. So, that's
on one side. On the opposite side of the
[1:01:49]
railroad tracks is Hillary's parking lot
for their equipment over there. A cell
[1:01:55]
tower.
>> Mhm.
[1:01:56]
» And then on the opposite side is
>> The lagoons.
[1:02:00]
» the cabinet company. I know their
grandmother's old house is in front of
[1:02:05]
the cabinet company, but the cabinet
shop is there. And then you have the
[1:02:08]
lagoons there. So, it's not
residential
[1:02:13]
you know, area right there.
>> Mhm.
[1:02:15]
» Um On the opposite side of the road
there is the railroad property. And then
[1:02:20]
Ken Frose's where his old uh silos and
and everything where he used to
[1:02:25]
uh you know, bale hay and sell hay out
of. So,
[1:02:29]
um is that
zoned as commercial or how is that
[1:02:33]
property there zoned as?
>> I have no idea on that either.
[1:02:38]
A lot of that, you know, the issues that
we have, and I know a lot of that
[1:02:40]
existed before we had zoning.
>> Exactly. Exactly. But
[1:02:44]
that right there in front of that
property is the railroad, you know, uh
[1:02:48]
property. So, that is not going to ever
be residential. So, it's going to be
[1:02:52]
» Mhm.
>> uh commercial property. So, I feel that
[1:02:55]
it falls right along in with the
the zoning that's all around it right
[1:03:00]
there.
>> Yes.
[1:03:02]
Larry?
>> Well, also had a cabinet shop.
[1:03:07]
It's not
Mr. Mitzger
[1:03:09]
He had a cabinet shop right next to
Hillary.
[1:03:13]
» Yeah.
Okay.
[1:03:14]
» So,
I see no problem.
[1:03:18]
» Okay.
Okay.
[1:03:22]
» I'll make a motion to approve item
number 10
[1:03:25]
to be rezoned as IL.
>> I'm going to second that motion.
[1:03:34]
Mark made the motion, second by Darlene.
Larry?
[1:03:37]
» Yes.
>> Mark?
[1:03:38]
» Yes.
>> Darlene?
[1:03:39]
» Yes.
>> Number 11, discussion, consideration,
[1:03:42]
and possible action to adopt resolution
2026-07,
[1:03:48]
a joint resolution of the town of Iola
and Iola Public Works Authority updating
[1:03:53]
procedures and fees related to
responsing
[1:03:58]
uh
to open records respo- uh yeah, to open
[1:04:01]
records request.
I'm sorry.
[1:04:05]
Scott?
[1:04:08]
My nose is so dry.
[1:04:14]
» In review of our open meetings
documentation that we have is
[1:04:19]
got some date to it. Um
we have chosen to go ahead and update
[1:04:24]
our policies. We've recommended to you
what the attorney general, as well as
[1:04:29]
OMAG and OML, have both
uh stated as a format that should be
[1:04:34]
considered. And that's what we've put in
front of you in this resolution.
[1:04:38]
You will find also in the back of the
resolution
[1:04:41]
as exhibit
A,
[1:04:44]
the
format that we will move to for
[1:04:49]
requests. And they will, if you approve,
we will put those online immediately uh
[1:04:54]
along with the fees that
have been deemed to be appropriately uh
[1:04:59]
appropriate for covering our costs.
[1:05:05]
» Okay.
[1:05:11]
» This is one thing that they covered when
we went through the training over in
[1:05:15]
Tulsa.
[1:05:18]
I think we were
a little on the behind. Yes.
[1:05:22]
» Yeah.
>> Most definitely.
[1:05:24]
» Yeah.
[1:05:31]
Okay.
Tell me, did you go over this?
[1:05:34]
» Uh yes, I did.
[1:06:31]
» Right.
>> But because we don't have a town clerk
[1:06:34]
uh I mean clearly but also has
as well town administrator
[1:06:39]
to
uh
[1:06:42]
And then we
we proposed to update
[1:06:45]
forms
[1:06:48]
uh
There's a reference that I added
[1:06:51]
discretionary exemptions and followed
what Tulsa
[1:06:55]
did with the guidelines request recently
that dealt with
[1:07:00]
personnel files
and a lot of that's confidential parts
[1:07:04]
of it
that says it's up to board to determine
[1:07:08]
whether it should be confidential or
not.
[1:07:11]
And so,
when we first approached that, we said
[1:07:14]
the presumption is that it's
confidential when we talked about those
[1:07:18]
discretionary decisions like someone's
personnel file.
[1:07:21]
Again, there are some things that you
have to
[1:07:23]
hire,
pay,
[1:07:26]
terminate, discipline, final discipline.
Those things are public record.
[1:07:30]
But there are other things that are not.
So, again, so I I helped put this
[1:07:35]
together
following the guidance of Tulsa
[1:07:38]
and
some other cities like Kingfisher.
[1:07:41]
» Okay.
Um
[1:07:44]
Amy, I see that you're down here that
you want to
[1:07:47]
uh you have a comment on this.
[1:07:54]
» So, my comments to the resolution are as
follows. First paragraph regarding
[1:07:59]
record search.
The act states a public body may charge
[1:08:02]
a fee only for recovery of the
reasonable direct costs of record
[1:08:05]
copying or mechanical reproduction. With
regards to record search, this could
[1:08:11]
depend on the organizational method of
the public body and the requirement to
[1:08:16]
engage with the requestor to seek the
information as needed. Therefore, I
[1:08:20]
request request the words record search
be deleted here.
[1:08:24]
Section two states the town
administrator is authorized to modify
[1:08:27]
the form with the approval of the town
attorney or Board of Trustees.
[1:08:32]
This should be modified to state town
attorney or excuse me, town attorney and
[1:08:37]
Board of Trustees. The people have a
right to be informed of any changes via
[1:08:41]
a town council agenda item.
Section two states exhibit A shall be
[1:08:47]
used to determine whether the request is
expected to cause excessive disruption
[1:08:51]
of the essential functions of the town
or PWA.
[1:08:55]
If it is decided that excessive
disruption is anticipated, the document
[1:08:58]
should be modified to require the town
or PWA to provide the requestor with the
[1:09:03]
basis and or reasons for having made
this determination.
[1:09:08]
Exhibit B, first sentence. This sentence
is incomplete and not understood.
[1:09:13]
Exhibit B, item 12, bullet point number
two.
[1:09:16]
Search fees, if applicable, this should
be removed.
[1:09:20]
Exhibit B, item 12, bullet number six.
As per section 51-24A.54
[1:09:27]
of the act, if the request is solely for
commercial purpose, then the public body
[1:09:31]
may charge a reasonable fee to recover
the direct cost of record search and
[1:09:36]
copying. Therefore, this bullet could be
updated to reflect the specific
[1:09:40]
allowance for record search.
Exhibit B, item 12, bullet point number
[1:09:45]
nine. I believe this may be a typo and
should state schedule of fees to Exhibit
[1:09:49]
B.
Exhibit B, special costs.
[1:09:54]
The fee for town
and PWA employees should not be a flat
[1:09:58]
fee, but at their hourly rate, whatever
that may be, depending on who is doing
[1:10:01]
the work.
Agenda item number 14 proposes a
[1:10:05]
part-time assistant with administrative
duties. As the fee schedule could be
[1:10:09]
updated to include this option as a
cheaper option.
[1:10:13]
The town administrator fee is high. This
fee could potentially discourage
[1:10:17]
requests that are needed, but due to the
circumstances,
[1:10:21]
uh maybe uh it may need this person's
assistance and be time-consuming.
[1:10:27]
The town attorney fee is high.
Again, this fee could potentially
[1:10:31]
discourage requests that are needed, but
due to the circumstances involved,
[1:10:36]
uh may need this person's uh assistance
and be time-consuming.
[1:10:42]
Thank you.
[1:10:54]
» Tommy, is there anything
that she was just talking about that we
[1:10:58]
need to
address?
[1:11:05]
Right.
[1:11:19]
Right.
Okay.
[1:11:22]
Gentlemen, you all have any answers?
[1:11:26]
Oh, I'm so sorry. You did.
Jolita?
[1:11:30]
I'm sorry.
>> I just had a quick question. So, when
[1:11:33]
we're talking about it's only applying
to commercial requests, if the language
[1:11:35]
of the resolution doesn't make that
clear, I think that's an issue. Um I
[1:11:40]
just I think you should be able to pick
up that resolution and say this is not
[1:11:43]
imposing a search fee on the general
public asking for a records request. Cuz
[1:11:48]
that's I mean, that's pretty definitive
in the Open Records Act is you are not
[1:11:51]
allowed to charge a search fee. Right?
If it's for the public interest.
[1:11:57]
So, what like is there something And I I
The second part of that question is
[1:12:01]
where is this resolution available?
Before the meeting.
[1:12:10]
Okay, so I had to know that it was
coming from as of today?
[1:12:15]
As of Friday. Okay.
That's I feel like that could be
[1:12:19]
something that should be on the website.
Possibly.
[1:12:22]
Just no offense.
[1:12:26]
So, I had to know to request it before
it was ready.
[1:12:35]
Okay.
Okay. So, I had very little time from in
[1:12:39]
there to actually request it. I feel
like that should be something that's
[1:12:41]
probably part of
the posting on the website for maybe the
[1:12:45]
agenda. That's just a general comment.
Um but the search fee is my real main
[1:12:49]
concern that if there's something that's
misconstruing that in this document, I
[1:12:53]
feel like that's needs to be corrected
um and not simply, "Oh, well, we know
[1:12:57]
that it's
only applying to commercial search and
[1:13:00]
things that are private interest." If
that's not explicitly stated clearly, I
[1:13:05]
think that needs to be addressed. Um
that's my main point on the records
[1:13:08]
requesting.
>> Thank you. Joe Leda, I'm sorry.
[1:13:16]
I just want to say just today alone
I have spent I think I'm working on 7
[1:13:21]
and 1/2 hours today on this smelter
deal, my personal time, okay?
[1:13:26]
That is almost every day for me right
now.
[1:13:28]
I am not doing anything malicious to any
of you.
[1:13:33]
Nor I can speak to Chris and Thomas.
We're trying to help.
[1:13:37]
We truly are, okay? We have got a lot of
money and a lot of time out. This has
[1:13:41]
zero to do with any kind of financial
gain
[1:13:45]
that any of us could get off this, okay?
It It It doesn't have anything to do
[1:13:49]
with our personal things. It has to do
with our community. It has to do with
[1:13:52]
our love of this community.
And what
[1:13:55]
we want to help and we we are trying to
help. There are some people that don't
[1:14:00]
really want us to get our hands on some
of this stuff.
[1:14:03]
Charge, do what you do, it's not going
to keep us from getting what we need. I
[1:14:07]
get it. There's been a lot of pressure
put on a lot of people, okay? I get
[1:14:10]
that.
Maybe y'all need to look and see when
[1:14:14]
the pressures when the pressure started
and why it started.
[1:14:18]
All we're doing is trying to keep our
community together. That's all we're
[1:14:21]
trying to do. We are trying to help.
Anything we are requesting, anything we
[1:14:25]
are wanting,
there is a reason for it. There is no
[1:14:28]
malicious
nothing malicious behind it.
[1:14:32]
And if people are worried about that,
then maybe they have a reason to be
[1:14:34]
worried about it. But we are not trying
to be malicious. We are trying to help.
[1:14:38]
And anything that's put on us, any more
extra pressure,
[1:14:42]
it it's just it's just too much. We
should not be having to do this anyway.
[1:14:47]
I've come to one city council meeting I
think in my life
[1:14:50]
before now to ask for help from the city
with the little league stuff.
[1:14:55]
That's it. Okay?
We shouldn't be having to do this.
[1:15:00]
You all put us in this situation.
We're trying to get out of it. Okay?
[1:15:04]
We're truly truly truly trying to help.
We're not trying to hurt anybody. Okay?
[1:15:09]
Thank you, Chairlady.
[1:16:10]
Thank you.
[1:16:14]
Gentlemen.
We all think.
[1:16:19]
Do you have any comments on this?
>> Yeah, I was looking at this this
[1:16:23]
fee schedule and that's
right in in line with what they taught
[1:16:27]
us at the Omag or we're showing us at
the Omag when we had our meeting.
[1:16:36]
And like you know, Tommy said they the
wording that he got you know, from the
[1:16:41]
attorney general.
And I know
[1:16:45]
sometimes I
whenever I've gone to the attorney
[1:16:48]
general, the wording and everything like
um
[1:16:51]
on on the rules and regulations, I I
just copied exactly what the attorney
[1:16:54]
general had stated to me. And so, the
the verbage sometimes may not uh
[1:17:03]
be kind of uh in line with everything,
every situation, but that's the verbage
[1:17:08]
that the state uses. Correct? I mean
And so, um you know, I think
[1:17:14]
by using the verbage, it's already
approved by the state
[1:17:18]
and by OMAG and OML,
um then I don't see any
[1:17:23]
any reasons that we should have to make
any changes to it.
[1:17:27]
» Right.
[1:17:32]
» I'm good with it.
>> Okay.
[1:17:35]
I can listen.
>> I make a motion to approve resolution
[1:17:40]
2026-07.
[1:17:44]
» I'll second it.
>> Mark made the motion, second by Darlene.
[1:17:49]
Larry?
>> Yes.
[1:17:50]
» Mark?
>> Yes.
[1:17:51]
» Darlene?
>> Yes.
[1:17:53]
» Okay, number 12.
Discussion, consideration, and possible
[1:17:57]
action to adopt resolution 2026-08
establishing plan review, permit, and
[1:18:05]
inspection fees for fire suspension,
fire alarms, and fire hoods.
[1:18:11]
» This resolution addresses items that
haven't been covered in the past,
[1:18:15]
especially related to fire suppression.
Uh for plan reviews, these are coming
[1:18:21]
more and more
uh common for us, especially with the
[1:18:24]
activities in the industrial park and
any other commercial activity that are
[1:18:28]
going on that
under new code requires fire
[1:18:31]
suppression. So,
I ask that you consider resolution 08 to
[1:18:36]
address that.
[1:18:48]
» I'm going to make a motion to approve
number 12.
[1:18:51]
» I'll second that.
[1:18:54]
» Arlene made the motion, second by Mark.
Larry?
[1:18:57]
» Yes.
>> Mark?
[1:18:58]
» Yes.
>> Arlene?
[1:18:58]
» Yes.
>> Discussion, consideration, and possible
[1:19:02]
action to appoint an administrative
officer to carry out the duties of the
[1:19:07]
town
of the town related to dilapidated
[1:19:11]
structures as set forth in part A of the
ordinance of the town of Iola. Scott?
[1:19:18]
» At this time, I'd like to and and
I've asked the police chief to take on
[1:19:23]
this position at this time. Uh at some
point in the future, we would like to
[1:19:27]
move this over to somebody who is doing
more of our planning review uh and and
[1:19:32]
inspections, but at this time, we don't
have that position. So, um Cliff has
[1:19:37]
graciously said that the police chief
would serve in that capacity. We have
[1:19:42]
the ability with him being in there to
do that with the uh
[1:19:45]
dilapidated prob- properties that we
have that need to be
[1:19:49]
taken care of as well as potentially
some vehicles and that kind of thing
[1:19:53]
that have been
left in the inappropriate positions for
[1:19:56]
extended periods of time.
So, I I would ask that you approve Cliff
[1:20:02]
taking over this position.
>> Cliff, do you have any comments on this?
[1:20:08]
» He
He's excited to do this.
[1:20:12]
» I bet you are.
Um
[1:20:16]
I'm going to make a motion to approve
number 13.
[1:20:20]
» And appoint Cliff
>> Yes, and appoint Cliff
[1:20:23]
» as the
>> the officer
[1:20:25]
» administrative officer.
>> administrative officer.
[1:20:27]
» I'll second that.
>> Thank you.
[1:20:30]
Arlene made the motion, second by Mark.
Larry?
[1:20:32]
» Yes.
>> Mark?
[1:20:33]
» Yes.
>> Darlene?
[1:20:34]
» Yes.
>> Number 14, discussion consideration of
[1:20:37]
possible action to hire Brandy Elliott
part-time to assist with administrative
[1:20:42]
duties. Scott?
>> Uh I think probably all of you know
[1:20:46]
Brandy at this point. Uh
Mark may not, I don't know. Brandy was
[1:20:51]
raised here, went to school here, uh
left for a period of time while her
[1:20:54]
husband was in the military. Uh she
comes in with quite a bit of experience
[1:20:58]
administratively in hospitals and
clinics.
[1:21:02]
Um she has graciously agreed if we'll
hire her that she'll come in on a
[1:21:07]
part-time basis and help us with the
administrative duties we have around
[1:21:11]
here.
>> What's her maiden name?
[1:21:14]
» Jones.
>> Jones.
[1:21:15]
» Jones.
>> I probably remember.
[1:21:21]
» And he brought up a good point that
I like he said she would be a utility
[1:21:28]
player.
>> I I look at her as a utility player that
[1:21:31]
we can float around as needed. She's
planning on working 32 hours a week.
[1:21:36]
» Filled in wherever needed.
[1:21:41]
» Sir, do you have a question?
>> Yeah, on number 12,
[1:21:44]
the
inspection fee for the fire inspection,
[1:21:47]
fire alarm,
is that on all
[1:21:50]
new builds or what is that?
>> Beyond any major remodels or new
[1:21:54]
buildings on the commercial basis,
generally speaking.
[1:21:57]
» Okay.
So,
[1:21:59]
just on new builds and remodels.
You're supposed to have them done
[1:22:02]
every
commercial ones every year, I think,
[1:22:05]
every 2 years or something like that.
>> Inspections, yes, are done on an annual
[1:22:10]
basis, but this is really more geared
towards and we've had that in place.
[1:22:14]
This is really about the permit planning
review
[1:22:17]
side of the
>> I just That's all I said.
[1:22:19]
» Yeah.
[1:22:22]
» Thank you.
Um
[1:22:27]
I'm going to make a motion that we uh
hire Randy Elliott.
[1:22:31]
» At 17 and a quarter an hour.
>> 17 and a quarter an hour as part-time
[1:22:35]
assistant with administrative duties.
>> I'll second that.
[1:22:40]
» Darlene made the motion, second by Mark.
Larry?
[1:22:42]
» Yes.
>> Mark?
[1:22:43]
» Yes.
>> Darlene?
[1:22:44]
» Yes.
[1:22:47]
» Number 15, discussion, consideration,
and possible action to approve the
[1:22:51]
paving of A Street Southeast, B Street
Southeast, and B Street Northeast.
[1:22:57]
Scott?
>> We talked about this at the last meeting
[1:23:00]
we had together. We have since gotten
prices together
[1:23:04]
um to redo those two roads. The public
works guys will put in the I think three
[1:23:11]
casings across that road
uh
[1:23:14]
before they repave it. I think there's
one culvert will be replaced.
[1:23:18]
Uh and then the county will come in with
their equipment and labor. We have to
[1:23:22]
buy the materials.
At this point in time, I believe I'm
[1:23:26]
giving you a high number of not to
exceed 175,000.
[1:23:30]
Currently, the bids for the materials
are less than that, but we not sure if
[1:23:35]
we're going to be under a new contract
before they get it later or not.
[1:23:38]
And with oil and asphalt appearing to go
up,
[1:23:43]
we're going to ask for 175 at this
point.
[1:23:47]
» Well, they all needed for sure.
>> We're fortunate these roads don't have
[1:23:51]
hardly any water lines across them, so
we can tear them up and not have to
[1:23:54]
worry about digging them
>> Right.
[1:23:56]
» again in the future.
>> I make a motion to approve item number
[1:24:00]
15 not to exceed 175,000.
[1:24:05]
» I'll second.
Mark made the motion, second by Darlene.
[1:24:08]
Larry?
>> Yes.
[1:24:09]
» Mark?
>> Yes.
[1:24:10]
» Darlene?
>> Yes.
[1:24:12]
» Number 16, discussion, consideration,
and possible action to transfer money
[1:24:16]
from the general fund to the street
fund.
[1:24:19]
» At this point, I would like to ask to do
this project to transfer 150,000
[1:24:24]
to be in that account to pay the
material bills and then we have to we'll
[1:24:27]
come back and get the remaining portion.
[1:24:32]
» All right, I make a motion to transfer
money from the general fund to the
[1:24:35]
street fund
of a $150,000.
[1:24:40]
» I'll second.
>> Mark made the motion, second by Darlene.
[1:24:43]
Larry?
>> Yes.
[1:24:44]
» Mark?
>> Yes.
[1:24:45]
» Darlene?
>> Yes.
[1:24:46]
» Number 17, discussion, consideration,
possible action to accept resignation
[1:24:50]
from Amanda Ryder.
[1:24:54]
» Yes, she just turned her resignation
letter in to me.
[1:24:58]
We do have multiple copies if you guys
want to see that.
[1:25:01]
She started here in 2003
I believe or correction, 2022 under Brad
[1:25:08]
Craig. She has served well, she did well
and we wish her the best of luck.
[1:25:15]
» I make a motion to accept the
resignation of Amanda Ryder.
[1:25:20]
» Second.
>> Mark made the motion, second by Darlene.
[1:25:23]
Larry?
>> Yes.
[1:25:24]
» Mark?
>> Yes.
[1:25:25]
» Darlene?
>> And thank her for her service, please.
[1:25:29]
Cliff.
Thank you.
[1:25:32]
Discussion, consideration, possible
action to establish trash rates based on
[1:25:37]
new trash collection contract.
>> In your packets there was a sheet
[1:25:44]
identified as a now I know a trash rate
review.
[1:25:48]
Um
I have to apologize that this is not
[1:25:52]
something I had evaluated in my
prior few months of being here.
[1:25:58]
But under the old contract, we were
actually in one case losing money
[1:26:04]
where we were charging the citizens less
than what we were paying the trash
[1:26:08]
collector.
So I went through all of our rates. Um
[1:26:13]
some of which had been established for
many, many years.
[1:26:17]
Some of which have just not been
escalated at the appropriate times.
[1:26:21]
So, I have put together to you a
proposed rate sheet on your right-hand
[1:26:26]
column side.
I have put those in place. As you will
[1:26:31]
note, it is your choice, but I am
recommending that the administrative fee
[1:26:35]
go to a $1.50 per month.
Leave the trash can per a fee alone.
[1:26:42]
And then you can see the different rates
that I've put in there for your
[1:26:46]
consideration.
I will put down there for your note of
[1:26:50]
reference. If you look at the far right
column,
[1:26:54]
the one container per month is 2145 44
total cost.
[1:27:00]
And two container at 3238.
That is for twice a week pickup, which
[1:27:06]
as I've done my research, I don't find
anybody else doing twice a week unless
[1:27:10]
you basically double
their monthly rates.
[1:27:14]
Which you can see in Broken Arrow,
Tulsa, what
[1:27:17]
Miller charges outside of Inola, Sand
Springs, and Wagoner, Coweta. Um you can
[1:27:22]
see their rates today for once-a-week
pickup per month.
[1:27:27]
So,
we
[1:27:29]
to give you a perspective of if you look
at the far right column,
[1:27:33]
that amount will give us the money we
need one to do container repairs,
[1:27:38]
container replacements, and all
administrative duties that we have in
[1:27:42]
this office to do with trash as well as
public works employees doing their
[1:27:47]
labor.
And any
[1:27:50]
uh
bad debt write-offs.
[1:27:53]
Uh
generically, the calculation of if you
[1:27:57]
use the right-hand column will generate
about 40 to 50,000 dollars a year
[1:28:02]
for us to cover all those costs.
So, it's not a huge number, but it will
[1:28:06]
at least keep us from probably losing
money.
[1:28:09]
So,
it is
[1:28:11]
my recommendation that you use the rates
on the right hand column.
[1:28:23]
» Gentlemen,
[1:28:26]
do you have any concerns, comments,
questions?
[1:28:36]
» So, one container
would go up
[1:28:40]
$5
if we went to 15%?
[1:28:44]
» Correct.
Well, yes.
[1:28:51]
But, our trash rate has gone up over $3
from what we were paying prior to the
[1:28:58]
new contract.
>> And at that old rate, we were
[1:29:03]
» Basically losing money.
>> Yeah.
[1:29:07]
So, you're proposing the new rates of
20%?
[1:29:10]
» I am proposing 20% because we have not
taken care of this in the prior years.
[1:29:17]
So, we have fallen behind for lack of
oversight on the staff's and
[1:29:23]
and ultimately my position, I guess.
[1:29:30]
So, it does appear it looks like a big
number, but
[1:29:33]
when you haven't had it for the last few
years, it's not as big as it might look.
[1:29:37]
And then if you look at it in comparison
to the other cities,
[1:29:40]
we are all very much in the lower half,
especially when we do it twice a week.
[1:29:45]
We would be at very at the bottom of the
list if we take into consideration twice
[1:29:50]
a week pick up.
>> Yeah.
[1:30:01]
» Yeah, I
it does uh seem a little high, but
[1:30:04]
again, you know, we haven't raised it in
a while and we were losing money to
[1:30:07]
begin with.
>> Mhm.
[1:30:09]
» And so, I uh
I'll make a motion that we
[1:30:13]
uh
have the increase proposed to the 20%
[1:30:16]
increase
for our trash collection contract.
[1:30:22]
» I'll second.
[1:30:25]
» Mark made the motion, second by Arlene.
Larry?
[1:30:29]
» Mhm.
[1:30:33]
» I'll vote 15.
[1:30:39]
» I'm going to vote no on the 20.
[1:30:44]
» Mark?
>> Yes.
[1:30:46]
» Arlene?
>> Yes.
[1:30:51]
» Okay.
I am going to vote time is up. I'm going
[1:30:53]
to make a motion to go to PWA at
>> We've got another item.
[1:30:58]
» I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
[1:31:02]
» Number 19.
>> Discussion, consideration, and possible
[1:31:06]
action to establish automatic trash rate
adjustments based upon future charges to
[1:31:11]
service providers charges to town under
trash collection contracts.
[1:31:17]
» It would administratively suit us a lot
better if you will so entrust us to
[1:31:22]
continue to hold
the 20% markup on any adjustments that
[1:31:27]
our service provider raises in his
contract um
[1:31:31]
to allow us to keep up with time. And,
you know, we do get an escalation at
[1:31:36]
least once a year or a price change. It
could go down.
[1:31:40]
Um
so, it it it's my request that you'll
[1:31:44]
empower us to be able to keep this
current
[1:31:47]
markups that we've we just approved so
that we can keep the rates in the same
[1:31:54]
spread that we have today.
>> Okay.
[1:32:03]
Okay, well, I'm going to make a motion
to approve number 19 of the 20%
[1:32:10]
uh
automatic trash rate adjustments based
[1:32:14]
on
future charges to service provider
[1:32:18]
charges to the town.
[1:32:23]
» I'll second.
[1:32:26]
» Arlene made the motion, second by Larry.
Larry?
[1:32:28]
» Yes.
>> Mark?
[1:32:29]
» Yes.
>> Arlene?
[1:32:30]
» Yes.
I'm going to make a motion to go to PWA
[1:32:34]
at 7:27.
>> I'll second.
[1:32:39]
» Arlene made the motion, second by Mark.
Larry?
[1:32:41]
» Yes.
>> Mark?
[1:32:42]
» Yes.
>> Arlene?
[1:32:42]
» Yes. April, will you do roll, please?
Larry?
[1:32:47]
» Here.
>> Mark?
[1:32:48]
» Here.
>> Jan?
[1:32:50]
Arlene?
>> Here.
[1:32:51]
» Approval of
previous regular meeting minutes as
[1:32:55]
printed.
>> I'm making a motion to approve previous
[1:32:57]
regular meeting minutes as printed.
[1:33:04]
» I'll second.
Mark made the motion, second by Arlene.
[1:33:08]
Larry?
>> Yes.
[1:33:09]
» Mark?
>> Yes.
[1:33:11]
» Arlene? Arlene?
>> Yes.
[1:33:13]
» Uh number two, monthly PWA report. We
have a copy of that in our
[1:33:17]
files here.
[1:33:20]
Looks like
as usual, the guys have been very busy.
[1:33:24]
» Yeah, you even had to go to the backside
of it.
[1:33:25]
» Yeah.
Thank Thank you, PWA.
[1:33:29]
» I've got to ask a
question.
[1:33:31]
» Yes.
[1:33:34]
» Did you on
Friday night, did anybody say anything
[1:33:40]
about our famous ditch
that runs from Family Dollar to the
[1:33:46]
creek?
>> No.
[1:33:49]
» The water was backed up
in the
[1:33:52]
nurse's home nursing home.
>> Okay.
[1:33:56]
» And the ditch had no water in it.
Very little.
[1:34:00]
I think our culvert
is too high. We've got to take some
[1:34:07]
» The culvert at the Dollar Tree.
[1:34:13]
And yes, it it was always a
considered a little bit high. I'll be
[1:34:18]
honest, that's my opinion. And in fact,
and you know a much of the history as I
[1:34:23]
do on that whole issue, but
it would have been nice if it had been
[1:34:26]
lowered a couple more inches.
That did not happen in the negotiations
[1:34:31]
and the
conversations that took place.
[1:34:35]
So, there was some grading done to help
address the the water that was standing
[1:34:40]
in front of that culvert, but it was not
in any indication that it was going to
[1:34:45]
back it up into the nursing home.
>> I would not say. I don't think it got
[1:34:49]
into it. But what I'm saying is that
it was a pretty good lake there.
[1:34:54]
» Yes, it does. And there is and it
probably needs some additional grading.
[1:34:59]
But
at this point I don't think we really
[1:35:01]
have any
avenue to be able to address that with
[1:35:05]
them cuz we have
arm wrestled and arm wrestled on that
[1:35:09]
one.
[1:35:16]
Yeah.
Yeah.
[1:35:18]
» I I mean
Trent and I drove by there and we looked
[1:35:21]
and
and then the retention
[1:35:24]
whatever that was
on the south side of the
[1:35:28]
» That's not intended to be retention
anymore.
[1:35:30]
» I know it it it had no water in it. It
was all but
[1:35:34]
I think we need to look at that and
because if we
[1:35:37]
I don't We had a pretty good rain. I
mean, it didn't take a
[1:35:40]
We had a
>> It's packed.
[1:35:42]
» running in our new
ditch.
[1:35:45]
» Yeah.
>> We
[1:35:46]
We didn't spend that money on it, but
it's just something I want James to to
[1:35:51]
if we can even if we lower it 2 or 3 in,
we get a little more water.
[1:35:55]
» I don't think there's a way to lower it
unless you want to bring a road boring
[1:35:58]
company in to re-bore the culvert.
>> I wanted to I would just think as the
[1:36:04]
dirt level with the
>> The ditch and the the dirt out in the
[1:36:11]
nursing home and yard is they have put
some sand and other items in there to
[1:36:15]
kind of help raise it up a little bit.
I'm not saying it's adequate, but at one
[1:36:20]
time it's appeared to be. We They had
the contractors on the Dollar Tree did
[1:36:24]
do that.
Um
[1:36:28]
It's just a bad situation. If the
culvert had been installed about 2 to 3
[1:36:32]
in lower,
it would have taken care of all the
[1:36:36]
problems.
>> Okay. That is just
[1:36:40]
» Yeah.
[1:36:43]
Okay.
>> Thank you.
[1:36:47]
Uh number three, discussion
consideration possible action to adopt
[1:36:51]
resolution 2026-07,
a joint resolution of the town of Iola
[1:36:56]
and Iola Public Works Authority updating
procedures and fees related to
[1:37:00]
responding to open records requests.
This is the same thing that we addressed
[1:37:05]
earlier. So, I'm going to make a motion
to approve number three.
[1:37:09]
» I'll second.
[1:37:13]
» Arlene made the motion, second by Mark.
Larry?
[1:37:15]
» Yes.
>> Mark?
[1:37:16]
» Yes.
>> Arlene?
[1:37:17]
» Yes. Approval of purchase orders as
initial.
[1:37:20]
» I'll make a motion to approve purchase
orders as initial.
[1:37:23]
» I'll second.
>> Mark made the motion,
[1:37:27]
second by Larry.
Larry?
[1:37:28]
» Yes.
>> Mark?
[1:37:29]
» Yes.
>> Arlene?
[1:37:30]
» Yes. Uh
I'm going to make a motion to return to
[1:37:34]
regular session at 7:32.
>> I'll second.
[1:37:39]
» Arlene made the motion, second by Mark.
Larry?
[1:37:42]
» Yes.
>> Mark?
[1:37:43]
» Yes.
>> Arlene?
[1:37:44]
» Yes. Um make a motion to return from PWA
at 7:32 7:33, I'm sorry.
[1:37:50]
» I'll second.
[1:37:53]
» Motion made by Darlene, second by Mark.
Larry?
[1:37:56]
» Yes.
>> Mark?
[1:37:56]
» Yes.
>> Darlene?
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» Yes. Uh
number 22, approval of purchase orders
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as initialed.
>> I'll make a motion to approve purchase
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orders as initialed.
>> I'll second.
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» Mark made the motion, second by Larry.
Larry?
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» Yes.
>> Mark?
[1:38:09]
» Yes.
>> Darlene?
[1:38:10]
» Yes.
>> Mayor's comments. Uh
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I want to take this minute because I
can't say this enough. I want to thank
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our police officers, our police staff,
our firemen, PWA, everybody that works
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so very hard for our town and our
community. I just want to thank every
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one of you and tell you how much we
appreciate you.
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And uh I'm going to make a motion to
adjourn
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at
7:33.
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» I'll second.
>> Darlene made the motion, second by Mark.
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Larry?
>> Yes.
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» Mark?
>> Yes.
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» Darlene?
>> Yes.
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» Thank you all.