[0:07] Good morning, everyone. Thank

[0:08] you all for being here. I call

[0:10] this meeting to order a time

[0:12] 10, 31. My name is COUNCILMAN

[0:14] Jimmy Palou. So I'm very

[0:15] grateful to see such a large

[0:15] crowd at a feeling that we

[0:19] have a good, a good group shot

[0:20] this morning. Going to go

[0:21] around the table real quick

[0:22] introduction starting with

[0:23] Kelly.

[0:23] >> Calling him see Council

[0:28] research. Red is speak pretty

[0:31] Norris for the administration.

[0:34] Shana Matt Dallas, office of

[0:35] General Counsel.

[0:35] >> Nick, Howland City Council

[0:37] at large group, 3 City Council

[0:40] district 7.

[0:41] >> On a holder city council

[0:45] elect at large. That one.

[0:46] >> grateful to have a city

[0:47] council member elect Holder

[0:47] with us going to be swearing

[0:51] in on Monday. I also want to

[0:51] recognize we have state

[0:53] Representative Dean Black in

[0:54] the room. He came here as

[0:55] well. We're grateful to your

[0:56] presence or areas in the back.

[1:01] All right. So you know this,

[1:01] this meetings got a good

[1:02] amount of fanfare and I'm glad

[1:04] to see such a such a large

[1:04] group of folks in here who I

[1:07] think kind of. Mere the

[1:08] political spectrum. And I

[1:10] think that's really important

[1:12] because this is an issue or

[1:13] isis. A conversation that's

[1:14] happening at the national

[1:15] level at the state level and

[1:19] at the local level about what

[1:19] are these cameras that have

[1:21] popping up a lot in the past

[1:23] several years? What what what

[1:25] kind of data do they have?

[1:26] What what relationship they

[1:27] have with law enforcement as

[1:27] law enforcement the best use

[1:31] out of them. And also is there

[1:32] constitutionality questions

[1:35] that that we should be asking

[1:35] and that, you know, neighbors

[1:36] and communities have been

[1:37] asking for a while now. And so

[1:38] I just kind of want to get as

[1:40] many answers we could at this

[1:41] moment. There's no draft

[1:44] legislation as of yet kind of

[1:46] kind of tinkering with ideas

[1:48] of what I would expect to file

[1:52] if we can. And so, you know,

[1:52] we have one of one of our

[1:54] attorneys here, one of best

[1:56] attorneys who also worked in

[1:57] the prosecutor's office for

[1:58] quite some time, which is a

[1:58] really good expertise on, you

[2:03] know. That kind of level of of

[2:04] criminal justice all that to

[2:06] if you do have public comment

[2:06] cards, please bring them up. I

[2:07] want to hear from as many

[2:09] folks as possible that we do

[2:09] have the room only for a

[2:13] limited amount of time. All

[2:15] right. So heading down the

[2:16] agenda goals for the automated

[2:17] surveillance equipment,

[2:18] policies, regulation and a

[2:20] possible temporary moratorium.

[2:25] So as we've been kind of

[2:25] looking at stuff from the

[2:27] policy perspective from city

[2:28] councils, perspective, I just

[2:29] don't know what as a county

[2:33] and as a municipality, we have

[2:35] the rights to do when it comes

[2:36] anything involving these

[2:36] cameras right there in the

[2:37] right of way public right of

[2:39] way. So one MAY assume that

[2:40] being in the public right of

[2:43] way. You have to get a permit

[2:44] or or there must be some sort

[2:46] of methodology as to how they

[2:49] got installed. And so first

[2:50] off, I don't know if if the

[2:52] mayor's office or some of the

[2:53] Sunday research on this as to

[2:55] how some of these got

[2:55] installed or if anyone has

[3:04] any. Knowledge of that.

[3:05] Bringing north for the

[3:06] Ministration. I don't have

[3:07] direct answers for you, but

[3:07] I've made a list of some of

[3:08] these questions will get.

[3:12] >> And back to you guys.

[3:12] Excellent.

[3:13] >> So seeing that was one of

[3:15] my first questions is who's

[3:16] installing these cameras and

[3:16] our taxpayer dollars being

[3:19] used to install them. Are

[3:20] there no taxpayer dollars

[3:21] being used to install them,

[3:23] but then when there's a

[3:24] subscription service, whether

[3:26] it be flock or when the other

[3:27] things. That's the of note

[3:29] here is it's not just flock,

[3:29] right. There are other. This

[3:33] is a larger conversation about

[3:34] kind of Cummings, automated

[3:39] camera devices so. I think

[3:39] what what what I would like to

[3:42] see. Minor draft legislation

[3:45] that I have. It's kind of. A

[3:49] couple different points. One

[3:49] is a an immediate moratorium

[3:51] for about 120 days on any new

[3:52] cameras being installed in the

[3:55] city of Jacksonville. 2 was a

[3:56] inventory of all cameras with

[4:03] the city of Jacksonville. New

[4:06] process to be drafted that

[4:07] last for public participation

[4:07] for when cameras do get

[4:08] installed or are going through

[4:10] the installation process,

[4:11] which I believe would go

[4:13] through the cpac setting. That

[4:14] makes sense, see packs for

[4:17] those of you familiar are the

[4:18] community, you know, the

[4:18] community groups that the

[4:20] citizen like groups we have, I

[4:24] think 6, throughout their

[4:25] throughout the city. And so

[4:26] oftentimes kind of land use

[4:28] and zoning issues go before

[4:29] the cpac. It's a good way for

[4:31] the public to be involved in

[4:32] the process. So, hey, if any

[4:33] new cameras are being

[4:35] installed, it has to go

[4:35] through and be briefed in

[4:38] front of that group. And then

[4:38] last thing that I've really

[4:40] been tinkering with, isn't

[4:43] that what I'm hearing a lot.

[4:44] Is how do we maybe remove

[4:47] these cameras? Now, the first

[4:48] thing I should note is as in

[4:51] my conversations with jso,

[4:52] they're very much in support

[4:53] of these cameras said they

[4:55] have helped lead to reducing

[4:57] crime to solving crimes, to

[4:59] ensuring that if there's a

[5:01] missing persons or something

[5:02] along those lines or or or

[5:03] someone who's in running

[5:04] running from the law that

[5:07] these value at. And I don't

[5:09] dispute that. I don't think

[5:09] that that is, you know, I

[5:10] think so long as one crime.

[5:12] It's all because of that. You

[5:13] could say, alright, I see the

[5:16] value in this. The crime

[5:17] prevention peas. However, it's

[5:20] just a matter of from the

[5:21] constitutional side. Well, we

[5:22] want to make sure that

[5:24] neighbors and those who live

[5:25] in the communities adjacent to

[5:26] these cameras, aware that

[5:27] there's a camera to begin

[5:31] with. And 2, if they don't

[5:31] want the camera right outside

[5:32] the neighborhood with in their

[5:34] neighborhood, what kind of

[5:35] process exists to not only

[5:36] give them as much information

[5:37] about the cameras possible but

[5:38] ways to potentially remove the

[5:42] camera. And so what I've been

[5:44] kind of tinkering with is if

[5:46] ever a neighborhood wants a

[5:47] speed hump. All right. I'm

[5:48] using a weird process here

[5:50] every neighborhood. Wants

[5:52] speed hump. They usually go

[5:53] through their city council

[5:54] member or go through a process

[5:55] where they get a petition. So

[5:59] listen from their neighbors.

[6:00] Then a more formal petition

[6:00] process goes out to the

[6:01] property owners and the select

[6:04] whether or not they speed hump

[6:06] or not. So I would envision if

[6:08] we were looking to remove a

[6:09] camera that it would go

[6:10] through a similar process that

[6:11] the neighborhood would come to

[6:12] their elected score through

[6:13] the cpac or through the city

[6:16] in general and just sort of,

[6:18] you know, a petition process.

[6:18] We go out to folks. They would

[6:19] say yes or no. They want the

[6:22] camera moved. As for how much

[6:23] of a cause for move the

[6:24] camera. That part, I don't

[6:27] know. Nor I know. You know

[6:28] what, what if public dollars

[6:29] to be used for move the camera

[6:29] for the up to the

[6:31] neighborhoods and communities.

[6:32] These are things I'm just

[6:34] tinkering with that. I've

[6:35] spoken to general counsel

[6:36] about and they are are doing

[6:38] their best to research this.

[6:39] Are there any thoughts or

[6:39] comments from my colleagues at

[6:42] this moment? Council PRESIDENT

[6:47] Helena? Yeah, thank you

[6:48] constantly. So I was in the

[6:50] office today. So I wanted

[6:52] already. And when I having

[6:53] this meeting, I want to drop

[6:53] by because this is a serious

[6:54] issue. It's a polarizing

[6:58] issue. I think it's one that.

[6:59] Israeli at the juxtaposition

[7:01] between public safety and

[7:02] privacy. I think it's one we

[7:07] shouldn't rush. In 2. We

[7:07] should have a kind of a

[7:09] community-wide debate on this.

[7:13] I know I've been talking the

[7:14] site's been council PRESIDENT.

[7:15] I'm also the liaison. So I

[7:16] speak regularly with the

[7:17] sheriff and his team issue

[7:18] such as this. And we've been

[7:20] talking to this issue and

[7:21] >> and the sheriff shares the

[7:24] same concerns. It's a very

[7:27] effective public safety tool,

[7:27] but he's concerned about

[7:28] misuse of data and concerned

[7:30] about protecting 4th Amendment

[7:31] privacy rights. And I think

[7:36] he's shown. Is for your tenure

[7:37] and the office for plus years

[7:41] that he's willing hold his own

[7:42] officers accountable and

[7:43] misuse. I think they've done

[7:44] that with David data and other

[7:50] things we have to think about

[7:51] those things as we go forward.

[7:52] We also need to think about

[7:53] the state has been clear that

[7:54] they want to address this

[7:55] issue. I current governor

[7:58] mentioned that he'd like to

[8:00] address I've heard the

[8:01] incoming governor mentioned

[8:04] that he'd like to address it.

[8:05] Governor view already chosen

[8:10] is always I have. I've heard

[8:10] the state legislature think

[8:12] about how they want to address

[8:13] it. So I think we need to

[8:15] think about the issue very

[8:17] carefully and make sure that

[8:17] we find the right balance.

[8:19] Listen to community concerns

[8:21] and ensure that we protect

[8:26] people's privacy rights. A

[8:27] council PRESIDENT Council

[8:28] councilmember elective any

[8:29] comments or thoughts on this

[8:30] >> You have to. But I just

[8:31] want to be an opportunity. Now

[8:36] feel like I have Now. Just

[8:37] appreciate the opportunity.

[8:40] Glad that the room is full.

[8:40] This is an issue that I've

[8:41] heard a lot about over the

[8:42] last couple weeks and months

[8:45] and a lot of concerns from all

[8:45] over.

[8:46] >> Jacksonville, from beaches,

[8:49] North side, South side,

[8:51] another something that we need

[8:52] to come into alignment on. But

[8:55] to appreciate the benefits of

[8:57] public safety with these

[8:58] cameras, but also understand

[8:59] the concern around

[9:02] surveillance privacy. So happy

[9:03] to be here today to hear more

[9:08] from the public. Excellent.

[9:09] Thank you.

[9:10] >> as we some sort of put you

[9:13] on the on the hot seat here,

[9:16] I'm seeing that a number of

[9:17] counties and cities within the

[9:18] state of Florida because, you

[9:18] know, if you look at the back

[9:20] of his hand out, it shows a

[9:24] very much it shows a number of

[9:26] municipalities and parts of

[9:28] the country contract was

[9:29] canceled with whether flock or

[9:30] one of the other private

[9:34] companies however, very few of

[9:35] them are within the state of

[9:38] Florida. Right? And so state

[9:40] law and it's a lot they have a

[9:40] lot of control of our counties

[9:41] or municipalities. So it is

[9:44] kind of better. You know, it's

[9:44] good to see stuff from

[9:47] Connecticut and Massachusetts,

[9:48] Wyoming but state state law in

[9:51] Florida's is very different.

[9:52] So I don't know because I'm

[9:53] seeing a few stuff in here

[9:54] from Tampa, Saint Leon County

[9:58] and Lake County. How what kind

[9:59] of rights that we potentially

[10:00] have that we are we able to

[10:02] say, hey, you can't build

[10:02] anything in the right of way,

[10:03] even if it's a public entity

[10:04] that can do it you have any

[10:13] thoughts on that.

[10:15] >> What other counties have

[10:17] done and what other what

[10:18] cities other counties have

[10:23] done other states. I have the

[10:23] distinct feeling that there is

[10:24] a lot more being done. It just

[10:27] doesn't make. An Internet

[10:31] search very quickly,

[10:32] especially when talk about the

[10:33] passage of laws, sometimes it

[10:34] takes, you know, our process

[10:36] takes 6 weeks, minimum. So

[10:38] sometimes it's just not

[10:39] actually in the public view

[10:45] quite yet. The second level on

[10:46] that. And it would be some

[10:46] that have to look at each one

[10:47] of these separately is just

[10:50] because

[10:53] >> municipality has passed an

[10:54] ordinance doesn't mean that

[10:57] ordinance is actually fully

[10:59] lawful because they MAY be

[11:01] split be having a policy

[11:01] declaration more than actually

[11:03] a change, a law. So I'd have

[11:05] to drill down on each one of

[11:08] them. And as to what can you

[11:09] do wear it depends on the what

[11:12] and the wear because of is it

[11:14] a state road is that city

[11:15] road? Whose camera is it?

[11:19] There's a lot really broad,

[11:20] detailed fact base question

[11:23] that I'm happy to dig into

[11:24] excellent. And we appreciate

[11:25] that. I I think it's something

[11:26] kind of work to get into.

[11:33] >> you know, actually state

[11:33] representative like, do you

[11:35] want to come up here and speak

[11:35] from kind of your perspective

[11:36] on this that it is not

[11:37] mandatory. Sarah, just want to

[11:38] give you that the time and

[11:42] attention. If you'd like. Have

[11:57] a with us.

[12:01] I think the city

[12:02] council PRESIDENT Said it well

[12:05] when he said we stand at the

[12:05] juxtaposition.

[12:06] >> Between security.

[12:10] >> And

[12:14] >> we have to be very cautious

[12:15] and how we proceed. We want to

[12:16] be safe. We want to make sure

[12:17] law enforcement has the tools

[12:20] to keep us so but we also want

[12:22] to make sure that we don't

[12:23] create the tools inadvertently

[12:27] in the service of security for

[12:28] one day police surveillance

[12:32] state to emerge. And speaking

[12:33] as your state representative,

[12:35] I know that many of my

[12:36] colleagues in Tallahassee

[12:38] share this concern. We want to

[12:42] make sure that. We remain a

[12:44] free people, but also a secure

[12:47] people. And so to that in

[12:48] COUNCILMAN, thank you for

[12:50] calling this meeting.

[12:51] PRESIDENT COUNCILMAN Elect.

[12:53] Thank you for being here. I

[12:55] think this is a very healthy

[12:58] discourse and I stepped in

[13:00] here before my other meeting

[13:01] because above all else, I

[13:02] wanted to hear what what you

[13:07] all have to say. And so the

[13:08] less I speak, the more value I

[13:11] will get from you. And so with

[13:13] that, I'll close and thank

[13:14] you, COUNCILMAN, thank you,

[13:15] rep and I do appreciate you

[13:17] showing up. I didn't want to

[13:18] >> put you on the spot, but I

[13:19] but I need you have some

[13:19] pretty good perspective on

[13:21] this. And you do have a

[13:22] district that is very diverse

[13:24] in terms of, you know, it's

[13:24] very rural and some parts

[13:27] quite line. New neighborhoods

[13:30] and our parts. I do want to

[13:31] dive in a public comment

[13:31] because I do think that's

[13:33] gonna maybe one last thing.

[13:34] Please go ahead. Coming up in

[13:38] case anyone make mention of it

[13:38] during public comment when I

[13:39] was talking Sheriff Waters

[13:42] recently about. How the state

[13:44] is likely to take a position

[13:46] on this. He said, well,

[13:47] there's no reason that we

[13:48] can't take a position now to

[13:51] shore up privacy rights. In

[13:52] the meantime, and I understand

[13:53] that there might be another

[13:53] councilmember considering

[13:54] piece of legislation that

[13:58] would potentially make misuse

[14:04] of lpr data more serious

[14:04] transgression. So a Class c

[14:06] misdemeanor or a company by

[14:09] fines and potential jail time.

[14:11] And that is a measure to

[14:12] address concerns right now

[14:16] about abuse of Lpr data then

[14:19] wait and see how state handles

[14:20] some other things. So might be

[14:21] some of those things which

[14:22] would be a proactive way of

[14:22] protecting privacy rights. In

[14:23] the meantime, while we have

[14:26] this discussion. Understood

[14:27] and yeah, I mean, I'm not here

[14:27] to necessarily rush things,

[14:28] but I am also here to

[14:29] recognize that we have an

[14:33] election in MARCH and then. Is

[14:34] JANUARY DECEMBER. Then you've

[14:35] got the new governor shows up

[14:37] and then eventually get that

[14:38] mean, there's a significant

[14:40] amount of time we're in. We're

[14:43] not as right now. And so, you

[14:44] know, I do want to make sure

[14:46] if even if we just do a

[14:47] moratorium until that point

[14:48] where the new legislature kind

[14:50] of needs, which I think is

[14:53] JANUARY what we should do,

[14:54] something I think I think

[14:55] we're about to hear from from

[14:56] speakers like I want to get

[14:58] their thoughts. We're going to

[15:01] go through pretty quickly just

[15:01] because there's a lot of

[15:02] speaker cards want to get

[15:03] people that 2 minutes time

[15:04] just because we don't have the

[15:07] room too long. Aaron Perkins.

[15:08] Next step after Aaron is

[15:19] Brooke. And what each speakers

[15:22] please say, your name. And if

[15:22] you're if

[15:23] >> you either I your address

[15:24] or if your address is on the

[15:25] card, you can simply say

[15:34] address on file. Give the red.

[15:37] >> Look for about everybody.

[15:38] Hear me. Aaron Perkins, 35

[15:39] West 9th Street live here in

[15:40] spring from a bike, appeared

[15:40] trying to dense 3 hours of

[15:44] conversation. 2 minutes. Okay

[15:44] things is not being discussed

[15:46] and I'm a little concerned of

[15:47] is a fiduciary responsibility

[15:49] as its mapped out like we're

[15:51] setting ourselves up to have

[15:52] yet another asset that we have

[15:53] to pay maintenance people

[15:54] hurricane comes through.

[15:54] People are going to cut these

[15:55] down the newest and greatest

[15:59] technology comes out. How is

[16:00] that contract settled

[16:01] installed improperly only on

[16:02] the hook because of technician

[16:03] installed incorrectly. It's

[16:04] one big issue. We definitely

[16:07] to pause. Get that sorted out.

[16:08] The safety, the other

[16:08] regulations, other cities.

[16:10] This is a brand new tool.

[16:12] First off the assembly

[16:14] concept. We're making a ring

[16:14] camera system for the whole

[16:15] city and other cities are

[16:17] taking a pause button. We

[16:19] should too pull that this

[16:19] thing is going to involve

[16:20] other people. Municipality's

[16:23] are going to figure out the

[16:23] rights and regulations and how

[16:24] to use as we should be

[16:25] spending money and we

[16:27] shouldn't be wasting all the

[16:28] taxpayers time. If we're gonna

[16:29] do it wrong but Stitt back

[16:31] paws. Get it right. The first

[16:32] time in my world of air

[16:32] traffic, we put a new

[16:34] equipment system we do a

[16:35] safety panel and we try to

[16:38] determine is it even feasible

[16:40] or is it worth the time and

[16:41] investment? Are we going down

[16:42] the right way? Seems like this

[16:43] case. What we did put the

[16:44] technology in place first and

[16:44] now we're trying to figure out

[16:47] how we should to play. We pull

[16:49] back figure out how to deploy

[16:52] it and make it sensible last

[16:52] Want to get it when you're

[16:55] fast. Once someone last want

[16:56] to get across, is that the

[17:00] frustration you're hearing and

[17:01] its multiple places in the

[17:01] absence of information, people

[17:02] are going to insert their own

[17:05] opinion into that space. So we

[17:06] if and when we move forward

[17:08] with this concept, there needs

[17:10] to be clear, concise

[17:11] information, how it's going to

[17:12] deployed and people should

[17:13] have chance to ask questions,

[17:16] get answers, not not. I'll get

[17:17] back with you. There should be

[17:18] a clear information of how

[17:19] this is done so we can know

[17:20] how it's deployed. I don't

[17:21] answer my own fears into that

[17:23] space. Thank you for your

[17:24] time. It was a less than 2

[17:27] minutes. Great job banner. And

[17:32] then Frederick. My name is

[17:38] Brooke 5 and oh, citizen

[17:40] concerned one of the points

[17:41] that I'm not sure adult

[17:43] totally dressed as the flock

[17:47] companies. Have been provided

[17:47] with access to driver's

[17:52] license information. That to

[17:55] me is definite concern.

[17:56] Initially. How do these

[18:00] companies? Rula get ruling or

[18:03] be allowed to install a

[18:04] private camera on public

[18:09] device. Public locations. And

[18:10] secondly, that needs to be

[18:14] tracked back. Are there any

[18:15] restrictions? Are there any

[18:16] requirements for that

[18:18] licensure and are there any

[18:20] limitations as to what they

[18:22] can have access to? That is

[18:23] deep concern because of that

[18:27] wide open. Technology like the

[18:28] flock cameras are essentially

[18:30] like a hammer. You can use it

[18:31] to build things or you can use

[18:33] it destroys things. It's all

[18:36] depending upon the

[18:38] restrictions or the intent of

[18:40] using that tool. And that's my

[18:52] concern. Thank you very much.

[18:53] My name is Red road off my

[18:55] address on the card. I'm here

[18:57] now to. Present my opinion

[19:01] against the broad collection,

[19:01] private citizens movement data

[19:03] through automatic license

[19:04] plate readers signal detection

[19:05] systems that just trace

[19:07] similar systems operated by

[19:08] private entities.

[19:08] >> first argument I want to

[19:09] make is that every person on

[19:10] their way to this meeting,

[19:14] like the best flock cameras,

[19:15] very recent history

[19:16] association. Data like this

[19:17] would absolutely have been

[19:19] used to target individuals for

[19:21] u.S. Mint. Lets them as

[19:22] political dissidents or to

[19:24] have the members of the false

[19:25] pretense.

[19:25] >> Can you get closer to the

[19:26] microphone so you can get

[19:28] recorded. Thank you.

[19:29] >> Recently we have been shown

[19:30] that the slippery s#

[19:30] #

[19:31] is not

[19:32] a fallacy. These automatic

[19:35] tracking systems are operated

[19:36] private companies and are

[19:37] beholden to shareholders who

[19:37] will push them to make as much

[19:39] money as possible. That means

[19:41] a constant flow of new

[19:43] products and services all

[19:44] centered around the collection

[19:46] and Adelaide at all is a

[19:47] shipment of the movement data

[19:51] of private citizens, the

[19:52] expansion of these networks to

[19:53] an artificially intelligent,

[19:54] but not to. And it's not that

[19:57] far from science fiction. A

[19:59] comparison of location data

[20:01] collected by cell phone

[20:02] companies often brought up the

[20:02] part words always left out is

[20:06] federal and state statutes.

[20:07] Requires specific legal

[20:08] threshold be met before those

[20:10] public. But for those records

[20:11] are obtained right now, all

[20:15] that needs for all right. Now,

[20:17] all that's needed for any

[20:17] office to accept civilian

[20:18] movements through the lpr is

[20:21] the case over. Again belabor

[20:22] the point all day. But the

[20:23] bottom line is this the

[20:24] average citizen should be free

[20:27] from government overreach,

[20:27] constant surveillance systems

[20:29] like these alprs collect every

[20:30] bit collecting every bit of

[20:31] moving from every citizen just

[20:34] in case is an invasive cancer.

[20:39] Thank you, sir. Tim Riggins.

[20:46] >> Followed by Michael Milton.

[20:47] >> for guns might addresses on

[20:51] file. I work as a senior staff

[20:53] engineer, the Civic Tech

[20:56] company. I followed much of

[20:58] the reporting around Flock and

[21:00] surveillance companies. And I

[21:01] grave concerns about security

[21:02] posture is that many of these

[21:03] companies about the actual

[21:04] design of the products to be

[21:09] able to. Like enforce

[21:11] restrictions on who can search

[21:12] things make make the they are

[21:14] designed to make it easier for

[21:16] law enforcement access to

[21:17] records. That's part of the

[21:18] value proposition. And I think

[21:21] that they they will always be

[21:22] prioritizing, making it easier

[21:24] over making sure that citizens

[21:25] privacy rights and

[21:25] constitutional rights are

[21:33] protected. Yeah, I don't think

[21:34] that penalties for misuse are

[21:35] likely. I have very little

[21:37] faith that that make much of

[21:38] an impact on privacy because

[21:39] if anything, it would just

[21:44] raised the stakes for. Police

[21:45] officers to, you it's just

[21:47] it's more of know I'm

[21:49] throwing, you colleague onto

[21:50] the bus and potentially

[21:51] putting them in jail, which is

[21:52] not something that police

[21:56] officer don't want to I also

[21:59] just wanted to add I would I

[22:01] would love for the much

[22:02] moratorium to include not just

[22:04] don't add new cameras, but

[22:07] let's also disable the cameras

[22:08] that we have for now, we even

[22:08] have wind down due to make

[22:10] their cities put bags over

[22:12] them. You can make until a

[22:16] public policy has been decided

[22:17] as as a community. I think

[22:18] that that would be a great way

[22:21] in the short Yet they're not

[22:28] violent. It was picked. 2

[22:29] minutes. I'm very grateful.

[22:30] Michael Milton and then Ben

[22:38] Elk Horn.

[22:39] >> Hello, my name is Michael

[22:40] Nelson, archaeologist and

[22:42] study human populations.

[22:46] There's going to be some tax

[22:47] revenue from tickets that are

[22:48] going to be distributed from

[22:49] the system. But the value from

[22:53] the data itself, Facebook has

[22:54] revenue of 270 billion dollars

[22:55] a year from the free website.

[22:58] Why is it free? Well, it's

[22:59] not. It's taking your data and

[23:01] giving it to advertisers.

[23:02] Those advertisers then tell

[23:05] you what you want to fight.

[23:07] Tiktok collects data on

[23:07] American users. Chinese

[23:08] company has our data but we

[23:12] don't have data on them.

[23:12] Pokemon Go. A company that

[23:13] spent 10 years collecting your

[23:16] data. The parent company

[23:19] Niantic has sold itself to the

[23:21] Saudi Arabian government, not

[23:21] accompany government has data

[23:23] on where our children go after

[23:27] school and what they buy. They

[23:28] have our shopping habits or

[23:31] leisure activities. Could you

[23:32] imagine if we were to go to

[23:35] war with the nation that new

[23:37] what our behavior was during

[23:37] school shooting or natural

[23:40] disaster or celebrity death.

[23:42] And the question that I have

[23:43] to really ask is what

[23:44] happened, sir, data when Flock

[23:45] goes bankrupt and they have to

[23:49] sell their assets. Thank you.

[23:50] Thank you, Ben Alcorn.

[23:58] >> Followed by Laura Harris.

[23:58] Veteran Elkhorn Madras and

[24:05] file. I think it's a

[24:06] complicated issue doesn't fit

[24:08] into our traditional 2 party

[24:09] system. Like we've got a

[24:12] design. Like most issues do.

[24:13] So it's a little nuanced. And

[24:18] I Next thing I want to say is

[24:21] a moratorium is not a ban.

[24:23] It's just time pause. Take

[24:26] time to look at the issues and

[24:26] talk through, especially since

[24:31] it is a nuanced. Ishan are

[24:33] some pros. I've seen it work

[24:33] in the construction industry

[24:34] and cameras have been put on

[24:37] job sites and stopped. And

[24:42] help catch criminals. That of

[24:44] gone to job sites to steal

[24:44] things which makes

[24:45] affordability of houses

[24:48] higher, right? So I mean,

[24:49] there's real good case uses of

[24:53] However. You know, we don't

[24:54] want to give jso that, you

[24:55] know, the tools to do their

[25:00] job. We want to be safe.

[25:01] Identification harassment,

[25:02] privacy, liberty are issues

[25:04] that matter and they need to

[25:06] be discussed. And so. I think

[25:07] transparency is really the

[25:10] issue. This is obviously

[25:10] authorized and jso is budget

[25:13] which the law budget with

[25:14] online. You know that not a

[25:17] lot of people necessarily see.

[25:18] What is the cost of this

[25:19] because it is a taxpayer cost

[25:21] ultimately our taxes pay jso.

[25:25] All right. So some

[25:27] transparency there. What is it

[25:27] being used for? Is it just

[25:29] being used for? A license

[25:33] plates? I think jso made a

[25:34] statement that that's the

[25:34] case. I don't know if that's

[25:37] necessarily fully true or not.

[25:40] So transparency is the issue

[25:42] is this data being shared with

[25:42] who else has access to this

[25:44] data besides jso? For

[25:48] instance. Immigration,

[25:49] customs, they have access to

[25:54] the as I said You know, just

[25:54] wondering and we don't know

[25:55] the answers to that. All

[25:59] right. So I want to go back to

[26:04] a moratorium is not a ban.

[26:05] Annex of Laura Harris played

[26:15] by Matt Hammond. Matt, if just

[26:21] kind of prep.

[26:23] >> I am not an active this

[26:26] time. Just an old lady. Who

[26:30] retired. And I'm here to tell

[26:33] you about an experience that I

[26:34] had in 2022. Where one

[26:35] Saturday morning I went out to

[26:37] my driveway. My car was gone.

[26:39] Name and address, I it's on

[26:42] the card. Got that. Name

[26:43] please. I apologize. Laura

[26:47] Harris. I'm sorry. I'm not

[26:52] accustomed public. Speaking.

[26:53] >> And you're doing great. You

[26:54] got it already had a minute.

[26:56] And 47 If you don't mind, I'm

[26:57] just going to read this since

[26:59] going be. Consistently

[27:06] interrupted. My name is Laura

[27:07] Harris. I live in

[27:09] Jacksonville, Florida, in

[27:10] 2022. 1 beautiful Saturday

[27:11] morning. I walked out to my

[27:14] driveway. It was empty. My car

[27:16] was gone. I posted on Facebook

[27:19] looking for my vehicle. I feel

[27:20] for scheme claiming to have

[27:21] the ability to find my car. I

[27:24] paid them for help. Victimized

[27:28] again. When police eventually

[27:31] recovered my vehicle in a week

[27:33] or so. All my belongings were

[27:34] gone in their place were

[27:39] dozens. Of other people's

[27:40] credit cards, purses and

[27:44] wallets. Initially, I didn't

[27:46] understand why I was asked to

[27:47] retrieve my car from the

[27:49] suspect's address or the

[27:50] suspect's residence or why the

[27:52] police have not removed items

[27:54] that obviously did not belong

[27:56] to me. I eventually realized

[27:58] that I was being rolled out in

[28:01] just out as a suspect. I was

[28:03] one victim. There were many

[28:06] others. If Lott cameras had

[28:08] been in place, then that car

[28:09] might have been located faster

[28:12] and some of those people might

[28:14] have been spared. The theft

[28:15] and the months of cleanup that

[28:19] followed. I understand the

[28:20] privacy concerns were already

[28:27] tracked on our phones. We're

[28:27] already tracked on our phones.

[28:29] Our computers are streaming

[28:30] accounts. These cameras

[28:33] photograph was 2 That's 2

[28:36] minutes. Could I ask

[28:37] >> afraid we have a very I got

[28:40] a large stack we created 2

[28:42] minutes I would just like to

[28:44] add it cost me well over

[28:46] $5,000 understood. I met him

[28:47] my head. Please come up next

[28:48] up at U.S. And Patrick, after

[28:51] met.

[28:52] >> Learning about him and

[28:55] addresses on file. Obviously

[28:58] everyone has most of us are

[28:59] many of us in and victims of

[29:00] crimes. That's not the point.

[29:02] Question here this use of

[29:08] flock. Use of flock cameras.

[29:09] Other a apl, ours or any

[29:10] others devices have been

[29:12] around for many years or

[29:14] direct violation of her 4th

[29:15] Amendment rights. Harris, U.S.

[29:17] Supreme Court. U.S. First,

[29:20] Jones, 5, 6, 5, U.S. 400. That

[29:21] just court reversed. The

[29:22] concluding that admission of

[29:23] evidence obtained by

[29:24] warrantless use of gps device

[29:25] violated the 4th Amendment

[29:28] rights of this is pervasive.

[29:28] Warrantless search of

[29:33] citizens. Carpenter verse U.S.

[29:34] 5, 8, 5, us 2, 9, 6, the U.S.

[29:35] Supreme Court again reversed

[29:36] holding that the acquisition

[29:40] of Partners, cell site records

[29:40] was a 4th Amendment search. So

[29:45] the 3rd party. Basis does not

[29:45] hold here either. So another

[29:46] fox Wing, it are the states

[29:51] it. If the states holding this

[29:52] information, then it's public

[29:53] record. People can access it

[29:54] for themselves if they

[29:55] destroyed and 7 days than they

[29:57] are in violation of protecting

[30:01] state records. Right? Also,

[30:05] Florida has a anti stalking

[30:05] statute. It's 74 died. 0, 4,

[30:08] 8, Which makes it a crime for

[30:09] any person. This is a put

[30:13] more. Your office to willfully

[30:14] and repeatedly follow another

[30:23] person. If you see a present

[30:28] their absent. Hello, do you

[30:29] see a person All right. Thank

[30:36] you, Corey. Go ahead. Ask him.

[30:38] >> Good morning. My name is

[30:39] Allison Patrick. Addison

[30:39] Liberty. Patrick, in my

[30:42] addresses on file. And I'm

[30:43] sure there's going to be a lot

[30:45] more people who are going to

[30:45] talk about the violation of

[30:48] her 4th Amendment rights. So I

[30:50] will leave that alone for now.

[30:54] >> I do want to say. Something

[30:55] that I don't believe. I've

[30:56] heard anybody say this

[30:57] morning. Somebody did mention

[30:59] what happens to the data if

[31:01] lock or any other companies

[31:01] like Accenture, whoever

[31:02] purchases these like, where's

[31:05] that day to go? How long do

[31:10] they have access to the data?

[31:11] Right now? I believe some of

[31:16] it is in the aws Cloud. I

[31:18] think that's an issue. I think

[31:18] this could be a national

[31:19] security issue. I think this

[31:21] is a bad, bad, bad thing all

[31:22] around.

[31:24] >> We have people from all

[31:25] political.

[31:26] >> Parties represented who are

[31:27] speaking against this for, you

[31:28] know, for some reason or

[31:32] another. And it's we have to

[31:33] we have to pay attention to to

[31:42] all of this jso. Town hall

[31:43] meeting that they have for

[31:44] district 6 now is that they

[31:46] mention that there and 9 month

[31:48] backlog of just responding to

[31:49] body cam requests because of

[31:50] all the things that have to be

[31:54] redacted. So if we have flock

[31:55] cameras and jso has any

[31:56] control over those and they

[31:57] have to redact public

[31:59] information that sensitive.

[32:00] How long would it take us to

[32:01] even find out what they even

[32:03] have going on there for

[32:04] records? Requests of its were

[32:05] already in almost a year of

[32:07] the backlog. They also have

[32:09] drones. I think this is a

[32:09] slippery slippery s#

[32:09] #

[32:10] . We've

[32:13] got all the cameras

[32:13] everywhere. They're all

[32:15] talking to. Each other are

[32:16] being tracked. And now we've

[32:19] got the drones. So if you're

[32:20] not aware, go, look those up

[32:22] jso has deploying those in

[32:26] certain situations. So I

[32:28] support canceling the full

[32:29] contracts, getting rid of them

[32:30] and anything else that we have

[32:32] in that sphere. And if not, I

[32:33] support the temporary

[32:36] moratorium so we can just get

[32:37] rid of them now. Thank you so

[32:40] much. Thanks, Patrick.

[32:41] Jennifer Dean.

[32:41] >> Followed by Rachel Read

[32:45] about Herb about. My my

[32:46] thoughts. Jennifer Dean, I'm

[32:51] sorry. Jennifer. 2 minutes,

[32:54] Rachel, you're next.

[32:54] >> I good morning. My name is

[32:56] Jennifer Dean. Patterson,

[32:59] record. I want to make thing

[32:59] one thing very clear. I am not

[33:01] against security and I'm not

[33:04] against technology. I support

[33:05] technology that helps law

[33:06] enforcement protect

[33:07] communities and improve

[33:08] emergency response. But the

[33:09] security and surveillance or

[33:12] not the same thing. Security

[33:14] protects people surveillance

[33:17] monitors people. And when

[33:19] technology contract core

[33:20] collect store information

[33:23] about ordinary citizens. We

[33:25] need to safeguards before that

[33:25] technology expands. Technology

[33:27] is moving faster than many of

[33:30] our laws and policies. We do

[33:32] not know exactly what these

[33:33] systems MAY be capable of 5 or

[33:35] 10 years from now. How

[33:38] databases MAY connect, how

[33:40] artificial intelligence MAY

[33:41] analyze the information around

[33:42] information can be used

[33:44] tomorrow. That is why the

[33:46] public deserves answers. Now

[33:49] who owns this technology who

[33:51] controls it, who has access to

[33:54] it? Why is the information

[33:54] being collected? How long has

[33:59] it stored? How how are audits

[34:01] used? What happens if it's

[34:03] abused? That should be clear

[34:04] limits. There should be

[34:07] Clinton clear in its limits.

[34:10] >> Oversight, transparency,

[34:12] accountability and meaningful

[34:12] public input before

[34:15] surveillance technology. Is

[34:18] installed, expanded or

[34:20] renewed. We should be also

[34:21] asked whether the technology

[34:22] is actually solving the

[34:25] problem. Not every public

[34:27] safety problem requires

[34:29] another camera, sometimes

[34:32] better lighting staffing,

[34:33] communication. Emergency

[34:34] response are less intrusive.

[34:36] Technology MAY be a better

[34:38] situation. The question should

[34:40] always be what actually makes

[34:42] people safer while creating

[34:43] the least unnecessary

[34:44] intrusion of their lives. I

[34:46] support law enforcement. I

[34:49] support fighting crime. I

[34:52] support innovation. But I also

[34:53] support privacy, civil

[34:54] liberties and reasonable

[34:57] government. There are things

[34:59] there are things that are not

[34:59] mutually exclusive to make

[35:02] public safety matters.

[35:02] >> Thank you. Thank you very

[35:04] much, Rachel. About and then

[35:12] Marshall Branick. It been.

[35:14] >> Thank you. My name Rachel.

[35:16] Be about address is on file.

[35:19] Thank you for the opportunity

[35:21] to speak. This is my first

[35:22] time ever speaking at a public

[35:30] meeting. Excuse me, I'm sorry.

[35:32] You're going start time for

[35:33] meant.

[35:37] >> You are. Brought.

[35:38] >> I stopped. Told my son that

[35:40] was coming this morning. And I

[35:41] would just like to say them

[35:42] that I'm speaking his behalf.

[35:43] He's been taking civics class

[35:47] in public school. And I told

[35:50] him that it's citizens

[35:52] responsibility. So if I don't

[35:53] come to a public meeting and

[35:55] speak I know that he can. And

[36:00] so on. I do want to just

[36:02] mention that state

[36:03] Representative Black said that

[36:03] we want to remain a free

[36:08] people. It's important and to

[36:09] keep our freedom for security,

[36:12] security and safety in the

[36:16] spirit of our 250 th-birthday.

[36:18] I just would like to read that

[36:19] Thomas Jefferson said and 17,

[36:22] 74 that a free people claim

[36:23] their rights as arrived from

[36:26] the laws of nature and not as

[36:29] the gift of their chief

[36:32] magistrate. It seems that

[36:33] there's an emphasis government

[36:34] rights, municipal jurisdiction

[36:39] to install this equipment

[36:41] recently on Columbus, Ohio

[36:43] town meeting doctor via trend

[36:45] who has a Ph d in crime,

[36:49] surveillance and policing and

[36:51] at Ohio State University said

[36:52] on the record that he believes

[36:56] in his professional opinion,

[36:58] that flock cameras is

[36:59] basically investigating.

[37:00] Everyone is under

[37:03] investigation at all times.

[37:04] And he acquitted Kay did that

[37:04] to prescribe them. Sure.

[37:07] Everyone in this room. A

[37:08] certain movie comes to mind

[37:13] when you think of that so it

[37:15] goes beyond protecting 4th

[37:16] Amendment rights to be secure

[37:17] in our personal property and

[37:21] in our effects. It's been

[37:22] Thank you. Thank you. Marshall

[37:24] Branick.

[37:30] >> Followed by Latasha hubs.

[37:32] >> Good morning. Marshall

[37:34] Anderson File Council includes

[37:34] a first thank you for holding

[37:35] this meeting in taking the

[37:36] time to hear us out. And thank

[37:37] you for your service in the

[37:38] Navy. That's going to be

[37:41] important. Second. For

[37:41] context, I just retired from

[37:44] the Navy last month after 20

[37:45] years, I spent that time

[37:47] aboard the u Geena before left

[37:48] Jacksonville and I we actually

[37:50] MAY have been stationed Jack

[37:51] or a Norfolk around the same

[37:55] time there's somewhere along

[37:55] the way. I also developed a

[37:58] strong interest in technology

[38:00] and data couldn't code called

[38:01] my way out paperback. But I

[38:02] spend enough time working with

[38:04] dad and I can understand how

[38:06] seemingly significant pieces

[38:10] information can be aggregated.

[38:11] And what that bring forth. So

[38:14] I'm not here simply because

[38:16] constitutional Burr order

[38:16] repeats some argument that

[38:18] you've probably already heard.

[38:19] I want to look at this risk

[38:19] created by collecting and

[38:21] retaining this data from a

[38:23] different for I'm sorry from a

[38:24] few different angles that I

[38:25] don't think I've received

[38:27] enough attention and public

[38:28] conversation maybe in private,

[38:29] but I'm going to say it out

[38:32] loud, atf. He training

[38:33] otherwise known as

[38:34] Anti-Terrorism Force

[38:35] Protection teaches us to

[38:36] recognize patterns and protect

[38:39] information routines.

[38:42] Routines, minimize or digital

[38:44] footprints and avoid

[38:45] unnecessarily. Revealing.

[38:46] >> Where we live, where we

[38:46] work. When we arrive, what our

[38:49] daily patterns look like.

[38:50] >> We do that because he's

[38:52] individually harmless pieces

[38:52] of information can become

[38:53] valuable intelligence when

[38:58] aggregated. We were literally

[38:59] stuck, told to stop using fit

[38:59] bits well on base because they

[39:02] map out our movements. Now, I

[39:03] understand that all these

[39:05] items mention aren't collected

[39:07] by flock and that a single

[39:08] picture of a license plate on

[39:10] the road is not particularly

[39:11] revealing, but thousands of

[39:14] them paint a different story.

[39:15] And the Supreme Court just

[39:17] ruled on recently with the

[39:19] Carter case. Now play that

[39:20] concern here in Jacksonville.

[39:22] We have an enormous military

[39:24] presence. If a foreign

[39:25] adversary associates, a person

[39:27] of interest with the vehicle

[39:29] and license plate access to

[39:30] retain lpr data or active

[39:31] feeds could turn into ordinary

[39:32] traffic. And answer

[39:35] observations. And, you know,

[39:35] understand. I appreciate and

[39:36] thank you for your service.

[39:37] Congrats in retirement. That

[39:40] option. After she's going Chad

[39:46] Charland. I get absentee and

[39:50] Latasha hops my address file.

[39:51] >> I want to take a minute a

[39:52] moment to speak about the

[39:53] importance of flock cameras in

[39:56] Jacksonville. As a mother of a

[39:56] murdered child. My son,

[40:00] Maurice Hobbs. As a mother of

[40:01] a murdered child fighting for

[40:05] justice for my son. Maurice, I

[40:07] understand firsthand how

[40:08] critical evidence can be when

[40:10] the family searching for

[40:12] answers. According to the

[40:13] Jacksonville Sheriff's Office,

[40:14] as I stated at the last agenda

[40:18] meeting at City Hall. And the

[40:19] license plate reader cameras

[40:24] have helped saw 15 murders. 17

[40:25] kidnappings, 6 forcible sex

[40:31] offenses. Nearly 100 shootings

[40:33] and 172 missing person cases

[40:35] since 2024, those are not just

[40:40] numbers. They represent

[40:40] families who need answers.

[40:42] Victims who needed justice and

[40:46] lives that were saved. I fully

[40:47] support the continued use of

[40:49] flock cameras because I

[40:51] believe public safety and

[40:54] accountability matter. I'm

[40:55] advocating to keep it locked

[40:56] cameras in use because I know

[40:57] what it feels like when the

[40:57] families left searching for

[40:59] Justice. I will continue

[41:02] fighting for Murray's. I will

[41:02] continue fighting for other

[41:04] families who deserve answers

[41:07] when violence into their

[41:08] lives. If technology can help

[41:09] law enforcement identify

[41:13] suspects. Violent criminals,

[41:15] murderers locate missing

[41:17] people, recover evidence and

[41:18] bring justice to families. And

[41:19] I believe we should continue

[41:21] investing in it while also

[41:23] ensuring appropriate

[41:25] safeguards and accountability.

[41:27] My son was robbed of his life.

[41:30] I was robbed of my son. My

[41:30] children robbed of their

[41:33] brother. I'll be d#

[41:33] #

[41:34] #

[41:34] if I

[41:36] let anyone Rodney of his

[41:38] justice and justice for other

[41:39] families. Please keep up. The

[41:42] flock cameras. Thank you for

[41:45] your time. Go to action.

[41:46] >> Chad Charles and followed

[41:51] by Albert Stern. My name is

[41:52] Chad Charles and I live at 3,

[41:54] 0, 4, 6, be First Avenue in

[41:55] Fernandina Beach.

[41:56] >> And I am running for state

[41:59] House in District 15, which

[42:00] include cannot you cannot

[42:01] campaigners or not. This is

[42:02] part of even that isn't

[42:04] Haitian government district

[42:05] includes parts of northern and

[42:06] northwestern Duval County and

[42:08] want to drive from my home in

[42:09] Fernandina through Nassau and

[42:11] into Duval is I routinely do I

[42:12] am under constant surveillance

[42:13] from a network of flock

[42:14] cameras installed by local

[42:15] police and sheriff's

[42:17] department. I am treated like

[42:19] a suspect. The mass

[42:19] surveillance is unwarranted

[42:21] and performed without any

[42:22] reasonable suspicion. It is

[42:23] only a matter of time before

[42:24] this technology is turned on

[42:26] people like meat and I say

[42:27] people like meeting people in

[42:29] the political minority. I am

[42:31] non party affiliated, but I

[42:31] oppose big tech and flock

[42:33] cameras and data centers. I

[42:35] support and Florida law

[42:37] enforcement to 87 agreements

[42:38] with ice. And for doing all of

[42:40] this, I'm considered an enemy

[42:41] of the state as spelled out in

[42:42] a presidential executive

[42:44] order. I subject myself to

[42:45] additional tracking and

[42:45] targeting by speaking out at

[42:48] meetings like this, giving my

[42:51] home address to the very

[42:51] companies with a technology

[42:52] capable of tracking my every

[42:54] move. I'm an honest, I'm also

[42:55] an environmentalist and it has

[42:57] been proven that the state of

[42:59] Florida through the Fish and

[43:00] Wildlife Commission has been

[43:00] using privilege. Law

[43:01] enforcement tracking data and

[43:04] tools to illegally and without

[43:04] cause investigate.

[43:05] Environmentalist in the state.

[43:07] I'm a target. The people in

[43:10] this room are targets. These

[43:12] cameras make it easier for big

[43:12] tech in law enforcement and

[43:14] corporations to target track,

[43:15] harass us GOD knows what else

[43:18] in the future. The first

[43:19] responsibility of government

[43:20] is to protect the people. You

[43:22] can protect the people by

[43:22] removing these mass

[43:23] surveillance cameras. Thank

[43:27] you. Albert Stern followed by

[43:34] Dragon late. Name is Albert

[43:39] Stern. My address is on file.

[43:40] >> Having this meeting, thank

[43:40] you for looking at the

[43:44] moratorium. Please do There's

[43:45] a lot of concerns and I am

[43:47] deeply concerned about the men

[43:48] surveillance tape

[43:48] specifically. I want to speak

[43:53] about the flock camera company

[43:53] specifically. This company has

[43:54] created a system that has been

[43:57] abuse throughout the country.

[43:59] Even here in the state of

[44:00] Florida where people are using

[44:01] it inappropriately to stalk

[44:08] people. It is clear that that

[44:09] company he's not a serious

[44:10] security company. You wouldn't

[44:13] make something like that.

[44:14] Their ceo, its kind on record

[44:14] saying that they've made

[44:18] mistakes. But I ask it is to

[44:21] think about that company. They

[44:22] have been they are funded and

[44:23] their their startup funds

[44:25] comes from places like y

[44:26] Combinator Marc and Resist

[44:28] group. They're a tech company

[44:29] like every other tech company.

[44:30] They're gonna play by those

[44:31] rules. Once you get hooked on

[44:33] the heroine of this, they're

[44:34] going to change the price

[44:38] structure. They're gonna

[44:39] change. But the offer you and

[44:40] then the cameras going to be

[44:41] up there and it's gonna be too

[44:41] expensive. And what you can

[44:42] do, you can take him down

[44:45] thing. The other thing about

[44:46] companies, if they get hacked,

[44:47] every tech company gets

[44:50] hacked. This is a tech

[44:50] company. It's not a security

[44:53] company. Thank you. Very much,

[44:54] Sir. Blight.

[45:04] >> Followed by. Casey Jones.

[45:06] >> Hey, everybody, I'm driving

[45:07] below my addresses on file.

[45:08] And as you know, I've been

[45:08] advocating about this for

[45:11] several months now. So I think

[45:14] it's really interesting that

[45:14] we think that we shouldn't

[45:15] rush into a decision, but they

[45:18] showed up overnight dishes,

[45:19] the people installing them. By

[45:20] the way, I've seen dish a

[45:22] go-around, installing them,

[45:24] they are installed without

[45:25] breakway plates at the bottom,

[45:26] which means if a car hits

[45:28] them, that metal doesn't move.

[45:28] And that person in the car

[45:31] gets very hurt. It's also

[45:32] really interesting that we

[45:33] think uk waters will hold off

[45:36] Tuesday accountable. Charles

[45:37] Matter, William McNeil Junior,

[45:38] will Hayden, Asia Bennett have

[45:41] something else to say on that?

[45:43] We have a lot of concerns of

[45:44] people that can't be here. I

[45:46] actually have a list of the

[45:49] concerns that I've put in on

[45:51] file for all the people that

[45:52] couldn't be here because it's

[45:54] 10:30am. I understand we have

[45:55] to do it sometime, right. But

[45:56] a lot of people are working

[45:57] right now into the working

[45:58] people that are being tracked

[46:02] every day. Usually couldn't

[46:04] come here. Also, if you're

[46:06] other counties are doing.

[46:06] Pasco County has just canceled

[46:08] its entire flock contract even

[46:10] after the purchase of several

[46:12] flock drones and the

[46:13] replacement contract with

[46:14] Axon. It is not just flock is

[46:17] also acts on is also Motorola.

[46:18] Again, these are tech

[46:18] companies, not security

[46:20] companies, and they are not

[46:22] secure. Ben Jordan is a guy on

[46:24] YouTube, right? He's not

[46:26] exactly a huge ways, but he's

[46:27] able to hack into these

[46:28] cameras within about 15

[46:32] seconds. I don't want to know

[46:34] what people that do this as

[46:35] their job and as the way they

[46:38] make money illicitly or

[46:40] otherwise can do with that

[46:41] camera, that data and that

[46:44] database. I am very concerned

[46:46] about the safety and security

[46:46] of Jacksonville. I am very

[46:49] concerned about the fact I

[46:49] have within a mile of my

[46:54] house. Literally more than 20.

[46:57] I they are pointed at

[46:58] children's homes. They're

[47:00] pointed apartment complexes.

[47:03] They are pointed at public

[47:04] pools. These should not be

[47:05] used for this purpose. And I

[47:10] don't think we can. Casey

[47:14] Jones followed by it Gonzalez.

[47:19] >> I don't. Casey 7 to 5.

[47:21] First re South Jacks Beach.

[47:24] All the trust that we the

[47:28] people have. They're all lost

[47:32] every bit. We're being

[47:32] tracked.

[47:35] >> I mean, is this is super

[47:35] scary.

[47:37] >> So we the people that want

[47:39] them gone. We don't want to

[47:40] restricted. We don't want to

[47:41] if you can't do what you're

[47:42] supposed to do and what is

[47:47] that? What are you supposed to

[47:47] You go to you that the cops

[47:51] want to do what? They want to

[47:52] look at. They want to track

[47:52] you. They want to see gps.

[47:54] Want to see your Google,

[47:55] whatever. That's what they got

[47:57] to do. It. Everybody knows

[47:59] what they got to do. So so let

[48:03] me ask you a question. How is

[48:04] the government dancing all

[48:09] over the 4th Amendment? Does

[48:10] anybody know that they're

[48:11] they're dancing on the

[48:12] Constitution because they're

[48:17] using a 3rd party. That's what

[48:18] they're doing. And nobody at

[48:19] of all the people to speak.

[48:21] And I appreciate everybody

[48:22] speaks, but nobody's vote of

[48:24] the Constitution in the 4th

[48:27] Amendment. This is what it's

[48:30] all about. They're dancing on

[48:31] the Constitution and the 4th

[48:31] Amendment because they're

[48:35] using a 3rd party. So let let

[48:36] me let me there was the clock

[48:43] at. 30 yeah minute. 26. So let

[48:45] let me quote our great

[48:46] governor state of Florida. And

[48:47] I know there's people on both

[48:49] sides. There's people on both

[48:53] sides that are against it. Not

[48:54] eliminating But let me let me

[48:56] quote our great governor. I

[48:59] think.

[49:00] >> These and these mean.

[49:04] >> The lpr. The license tag

[49:06] reader. He just got Cody

[49:08] yesterday. I think these

[49:09] licensed Hagley Road are out

[49:13] of control. That's what he The

[49:15] videos up on my Facebook page.

[49:16] So that's to answer. They are

[49:20] out of control.

[49:21] >> It here, Gonzalez followed

[49:30] by Robert Jeffers.

[49:32] >> Good Morning. Council

[49:32] members MAY need to hear

[49:33] Gonzalez. I'm a graduate

[49:33] public student at the

[49:37] University of North Florida.

[49:40] I'm here to talk about

[49:40] cameras. So the recently has

[49:43] said that we should compromise

[49:44] or privacy just so we can

[49:45] operate these cameras. I think

[49:47] that is a crazy statement to

[49:49] say, I says a student. I want

[49:52] to talk about how. We

[49:53] shouldn't compromise our

[49:57] privacy just so we can solve

[49:58] murders and kidnappings. Know

[49:59] I do have empathy and

[50:00] sympathize with you that your

[50:01] son was murdered. I'm so sorry

[50:04] that happened to you. But i

[50:04] think you know, so we should

[50:07] get to the bottom. The roots

[50:08] of this problem of why Jackson

[50:10] has so much crime lie. We have

[50:12] so much King inflated

[50:14] activity, I think instead of

[50:15] installing more rising our

[50:17] privacy. We should instead get

[50:21] to the root problem. And have

[50:23] more prevent violence

[50:25] prevention programs and we

[50:27] shouldn't have that money and

[50:29] serve spending flock cameras.

[50:32] We should spend that money

[50:32] more and after-school

[50:33] programs, things to prevent

[50:34] violence, having community

[50:34] members going to the

[50:37] community. And just spend it

[50:40] more where the money should be

[50:42] spent. I think having flock

[50:43] cameras as a waste of taxpayer

[50:45] money, we could use it to

[50:48] solve the homelessness v every

[50:49] I worked myself, I every time

[50:50] I go to class, I see a

[50:54] homeless person and it's just

[50:56] it's not cool to have that

[50:57] many as big as big as

[50:58] Jacksonville is. We should

[51:00] have this many homeless

[51:01] people. I also volunteered at

[51:03] a food pantry recently and so

[51:07] many people have to go and get

[51:10] So I think we can also try to

[51:16] lower grocery prices. But

[51:17] Robert Jeffers followed by

[51:23] Andrew Scott.

[51:24] >> Good Morning Council. Thank

[51:24] you for what you get is

[51:25] meeting. My name is Robert

[51:28] addresses on file. This MAY be

[51:29] the reference to some people

[51:30] but many people have gotten up

[51:31] here and talk about what to

[51:33] say. I can do, right.

[51:34] Hollywood has given us the

[51:37] script. We know what can do.

[51:38] When it when it is not put to

[51:42] good use. Hollywood is gave us

[51:44] a script. What can happen

[51:45] right? And we all know that it

[51:46] might be funny to some people,

[51:49] but it's not. I haven't taken

[51:50] a stance for dance because I

[51:51] think there's some very good

[51:52] things that can come out of

[51:53] flock cameras. I think that

[51:54] there's very good things come

[51:56] of. And I do believe in that.

[51:56] But then whenever it is used

[51:59] in a negative light. Problems

[52:00] can occur right in the privacy

[52:02] of our citizens are at risk

[52:03] and it can potentially harm us

[52:07] as a society. My problem is,

[52:08] is it this is a reaction. All

[52:10] right. This meeting is a

[52:11] reaction. There's thousands of

[52:13] flock cameras or the state of

[52:15] Florida right? Where was the

[52:15] protections at the beginning

[52:16] when this stuff started coming

[52:18] out to say, hey, we don't want

[52:19] that, that our state

[52:20] government not come together

[52:23] and say, hey. He's going to

[52:24] start. He's sort of stalling

[52:25] this and what protections are

[52:27] going to put before we start

[52:28] mass installing these all the

[52:31] way across our state. This is

[52:32] a very reactive instead

[52:34] instead of a proactive staying

[52:35] right. So now it's here. Now

[52:36] we have to deal with it. So

[52:37] now we're trying to figure out

[52:38] how to deal with it.

[52:39] >> So from here on out, I just

[52:40] want a statement. Let's be

[52:41] proactive. Jacksonville. I'm

[52:43] tired of being aggressive.

[52:44] Okay. We start thinking about

[52:46] things in the past and and how

[52:47] and how we want to move

[52:48] forward. But we can't we can't

[52:51] move forward if we're being

[52:53] reactive, we need to be

[52:54] progressive and be on the

[52:55] forefront of this. This this

[52:57] this this is a terrible it's

[52:58] great. We're looking at this

[53:01] and put a moratorium in place.

[53:04] Believe, but we need to be

[53:04] progressive and this and not

[53:07] reactive. Thank you. And under

[53:08] Scott followed by Deo

[53:21] Cummings.

[53:22] >> Good Morning. My name is

[53:22] Andrew Scott. Why addresses on

[53:27] file? I've been software

[53:28] developer manager for 15

[53:29] years, worked in computer

[53:34] vision machine learning. So on

[53:35] a little bit familiar with

[53:38] this and like this is how you

[53:39] could please surveillance

[53:40] tape. This is basically a

[53:45] package deal. This is the data

[53:47] set that anyone who wanted to.

[53:52] Abuse would dream of. It is.

[53:54] All the state is on aws.

[53:55] Jack's MAY own it, but they

[54:01] will not control it. And I

[54:03] found online search saying

[54:04] that basically jso is extended

[54:05] their digger attention for a

[54:11] year. A year's worth of data.

[54:12] Flock since they're coming

[54:15] under fire is actually going

[54:15] back and recommended 7 days as

[54:17] a recommendation. Think about

[54:19] what you could do with

[54:26] everyone's traffic data.

[54:26] Correlating that with any

[54:40] other data set would. Crazy?

[54:41] So yeah, and I didn't even

[54:42] know before that that they had

[54:45] been given access to Dave The

[54:46] in the information. So that's

[54:50] another data set. But I just

[54:52] I'm really concerned about

[54:53] this because their tech

[54:54] company, all the protections

[54:55] in place, it can still be

[54:56] hacked. It will be hacked. It

[54:59] will be abused. And the data

[55:06] there. And we have no say it.

[55:07] Deal. Cummings followed by

[55:18] John Uni.

[55:19] >> And we do have to cut off

[55:20] more. This is last week on a

[55:21] card that hey, we gotta we

[55:22] gotta kind of go through

[55:23] public comment that I got a

[55:24] few more comments. I'm gonna

[55:26] make me have to adjourn. Go

[55:26] ahead, sir. Give 2 minutes.

[55:27] All right. Good morning. My

[55:27] name is Dale Cummings

[55:30] addresses on file. So I think

[55:32] there are 2 questions that

[55:32] have not yet been answered at

[55:35] a very critical that's number

[55:36] one.

[55:38] >> What is the actual efficacy

[55:40] in solving cases, crimes,

[55:41] etcetera. Number 2, how

[55:43] necessary our these devices in

[55:44] doing so. So there's not a lot

[55:48] of data out there. And earlier

[55:49] this month, jso posted on x

[55:52] and presumably elsewhere,

[55:56] number of cases of summer

[55:56] criminals somewhere people

[55:59] missing so on and so forth of

[56:00] cases that were solved through

[56:02] the use of help ERs.

[56:02] Interesting, but doesn't tell

[56:04] me a whole lot. So I did a

[56:08] little digging. Turns out in

[56:11] 2024, in MAY, they actually

[56:14] posted jso. Likewise on x and

[56:15] other social media of a

[56:16] particular case of a shooting

[56:20] in the Hogan Creek area where

[56:22] there ended up being no, no

[56:23] fatalities, no injuries. But

[56:24] there was a bullet that into a

[56:27] school bus full of children.

[56:29] They credited these devices in

[56:31] solving the case. And I think

[56:32] the problem comes with the

[56:35] word solved. So I did a little

[56:37] more digging and I went to

[56:38] that Duval clerk and I started

[56:39] digging up because they posted

[56:41] the names and I read the

[56:43] charging document as it turns

[56:45] out all of the information

[56:47] that they would have needed to

[56:49] arrest the 2 individuals that

[56:52] they did came from witnesses.

[56:54] Witnesses said this person did

[56:55] it. This person did it. This

[56:56] is what they were wearing.

[56:57] This is the vehicle they got

[56:58] in. This is a location that

[56:59] they went to the cameras.

[57:02] We're just supplemental. Well,

[57:05] there's more to that story

[57:06] because I did a little more

[57:09] digging and it turns out the 2

[57:09] individuals at the time one

[57:12] was 23. When was 17, the 17

[57:13] year-old unfortunately passed

[57:17] away earlier this year.

[57:18] Circumstances are unknown, but

[57:19] I can only presume if you're

[57:20] involved in a shootout when

[57:21] you're 17, that doesn't leave

[57:24] you a very long life. The

[57:25] other individual had their

[57:27] charges dropped 2 minutes,

[57:30] sir. Yes, thank you so much,

[57:31] Jon. Uni followed by. Sean

[57:37] Costello. Not seeing John. Any

[57:38] is John Costello in audience

[57:44] for the room. Hello. My name

[57:45] is Sean Costello. Mattresses

[57:47] on file. I think some of the

[57:47] previous speakers are you

[57:49] cover this? But just to

[57:50] reiterate, there's a flaw

[57:53] camera pointed at a community

[57:55] pool as a premier apartments.

[57:57] And I notice that during this,

[57:59] you know, meeting today and

[58:03] also all of flocks official

[58:03] information they're referred

[58:06] to as license plate readers.

[58:06] So it seems little bit like a

[58:07] reflect to me that we're

[58:08] calling them license plate

[58:09] readers by some of that work

[58:10] point. It in a spot where they

[58:13] would not be reading any

[58:14] license plates. And one of the

[58:15] speaker also mention that it's

[58:18] important that we understand

[58:18] how these cameras are being

[58:20] used, but also I think it

[58:21] support understand what

[58:24] they're capable of and again,

[58:25] like previous speakers have

[58:26] mentioned with ai. With a

[58:29] capable of today MAY be

[58:31] different. What the people of

[58:31] tomorrow. So it's probably

[58:37] quite a difficult task to.

[58:38] Clear what they're capable I

[58:39] think it's really important

[58:44] for the council. Thank you.

[58:46] Thank you, Nick Harding

[58:49] followed by Zeri Davis. On out

[58:53] there and overflow court.

[58:54] Number. You're at 11 30, I'll

[58:57] able to extend it You know,

[58:58] you know, you are noticed Hill

[59:00] 30 I apologize that can we

[59:00] can. We can only public

[59:03] comment and then. And that

[59:05] means you are outside of

[59:09] public notice. Let's all stick

[59:10] around. We are going to we're

[59:11] going to during this meeting

[59:12] will stick around and

[59:14] >> talk to anyone that has any

[59:15] more comments. We had a number

[59:18] of comment cards left. I want

[59:19] to thank my colleagues for

[59:21] being here today. This is

[59:22] incredibly important. I do

[59:24] intend to continue to move

[59:24] forward. I'm very concerned

[59:25] about these devices, but I do

[59:28] want to make sure that jso is

[59:29] a major role to play in making

[59:31] sure that they're able to to.

[59:32] Continue solve crimes. But

[59:34] there is a there's a line to

[59:37] beat walked when it comes to

[59:39] personal security. Personal

[59:42] privacy and law enforcement.

[59:43] So there'll be more to come in

[59:44] this conversation. I'm here to

[59:49] stick around that. Thanks. If

[59:51] you did not get a chance to

[59:52] speak, you can't know you can

[59:53] email me directly j Peluso Pl

[59:55] It's date on that.

[59:58] >> Those comments are you can

[59:59] also get one of my cards of

[59:59] thank yous meeting's

[1:00:14] adjourned.

Noticed Meeting CM Peluso RE Automated Surveillance Equipment

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