[3:30] All

[3:45] right, you are live and unmuted.

[4:21] You have a

[4:41] I guess we'll call this to order. Um, the minutes of the previous meeting were

[4:46] exeminated. You guys had a chance to look at them.

[4:54] I'll move that we accepting the second to approve the B as constituted. All in

[5:00] favor? Motion carries.

[5:04] » Turn off one of the microphones.

[5:28] speaker on

[5:34] that better. There we go.

[5:39] Okay. First item on the agenda is to discuss

[5:43] HVAC permits. That you, John? Yep. Okay, go for it.

[5:47] » Um, so with the HVAC program, uh, June 1st we took over the HVAC permits for

[5:55] the city of Rick. Um, I was waiting to do the other cities, the city

[6:05] of Manan and the city of Lewis built, um, until we had a plumbing and

[6:11] electrical inspector. So, I only had to go to him once. Um

[6:16] that's proving to be a little bit more difficult. So uh in the next couple

[6:22] months I'll probably go to Man and Lewisville and see if we can start doing

[6:27] just their HVAC.

[6:32] That's all I have with the Hback. So you're trying to just do the county

[6:39] cities that do very good guys. Yeah. So, we do the we do the building

[6:47] permits already for the city of Ricky, Mananda, and Norless.

[6:52] Um, and then we have Brian as our HVAC inspector. So, we started those in the

[6:59] county in January. And then we started the city of Riby HVAC inspections June

[7:05] 1st. Um, and then I was waiting until we found an electrical and plumbing

[7:11] inspector to go to Man Lewisville. Um, but since we've had some trouble finding

[7:18] those inspectors, then I'll probably just go to those cities and and see if

[7:22] we can at least start HVAC.

[7:28] » How's it going with that? You just had that many years.

[7:32] » Yeah. Yeah, we Yeah. being June 1st, we've had quite a few applications

[7:39] um for city or HVAC permits and they've been just like alone in the county. So,

[7:46] it's gone very smooth. >> Okay, good. Any other questions,

[7:51] comments? And Okay, item number three, discuss

[7:56] your electrical and plumbing programs. Yeah. So, the electrical and plumbing

[8:02] program, um, originally with that idea to have those inspectors,

[8:11] we wanted to do it on a contract basis. Um,

[8:16] so we had PQFS posted for two months. Um, and we have two coming applications,

[8:25] but it would be we learned that it would be really expensive um for us and

[8:32] homeowners and contractors to do it on a contract basis. Um, the permit fees

[8:40] would have to be a lot higher than what the state is um to be able to afford

[8:45] those inspectors um and pay them what they want. And so we posted

[8:51] um as part-time employees um to we posted those in June uh to be a

[9:00] part-time employee to do electrical and plumbing inspections um for residential

[9:06] and commercial and then their plan reviews. Um we haven't had any

[9:10] applications with those yet. Um, so if you guys know anybody,

[9:17] » so so if I could jump in kind what kind of what's unique about this situation

[9:25] experience in other states and maybe

[9:36] is is the permits are all individual, right? We have the building permit. We

[9:41] have the HVAC electrical plumbing. I mean, if we were going to do all those

[9:46] inspections and we grouped all of those into one permit process and one permit

[9:50] application, I mean, what does that require? Is that anybody else do that?

[9:56] Probably not because of the state, right? I think it would be a lot nicer.

[10:01] » Yeah, it' be a lot cleaner for sure. >> Jerich get a building permit.

[10:05] » Yeah. He turns into one application and it covers all of those things.

[10:09] So we might be able to pull off an electrical and plumbing inspection

[10:13] program if we were to group those together.

[10:15] » Yeah. >> Were they trying to do it by contract

[10:18] basis per individual inspection $100 or something that they wanted or is that

[10:25] what they kind of proposed that number $100 of inspection?

[10:28] » Yeah, that's what I heard from the other ones that do it on contract basis was

[10:32] that they want 100 bucks of inspection. I mean, which makes sense when they're

[10:36] paying for their own vehicles and their own insurance and shorter things. Yeah.

[10:41] » Yeah. >> I mean, yeah. You're going to be through

[10:43] an hour. You leave what you're doing. >> Exactly.

[10:48] » And then you follow up and everything else. You got to do whatever it is. But

[10:52] yeah, I thought it was $100 for everyone.

[10:55] » Yeah. >> So, we we looked at some trying to find

[10:59] certain folks to do it to come on as employees.

[11:03] we haven't got the committees. >> What's what's also unique is that um I I

[11:10] don't remember the name who was proposing the bill at the state level,

[11:14] but um somebody was working on a bill to eliminate state inspections completely

[11:22] um by the year 2029 or 2030. um which would put a lot of strain on the local

[11:33] and smaller departments like ours and the smaller cities to be able to go and

[11:39] find those inspectors to be able to do that if they eliminate the state doing

[11:45] those inspections. Um,

[11:48] so I'd really like to get ahead of that so we're not scrambling at the last

[11:53] moment if they're if they do end up eliminating them. Um, we have some time

[11:59] to start those programs and find those inspectors.

[12:03] » So if they eliminate them, I mean, it probably would not say that, oh, we're

[12:08] going to kick more money for the county because we've eliminated a service that

[12:12] we provide, >> right?

[12:13] » But now you're going to pick it up and go. And in addition, we're going to

[12:17] limit how much you can charge for, you know, property tax. So,

[12:21] » yeah. Okay.

[12:25] » What what's really interesting about that is the um the plumbing and

[12:30] electrical will have to be dirty in the state to do those inspections. Um would

[12:36] they would they remove state requirements if they remove the ability

[12:40] to provide the inspection? I have tried to I mean that makes sense to me if they

[12:45] say we're not going to do it anymore and don't tell us how to do it.

[12:49] » Yeah. I've tried to reach out um to different people that

[12:54] know who's presenting that bill and even the person that's working on the bill

[12:58] and haven't heard anything back. Um because what I what I would like to see

[13:04] as part of that bill or even after that bill is to eliminate them being a

[13:10] journey there. Um, which would make it a lot easier.

[13:13] » I mean, yeah, with those inspectors,

[13:21] is that a two-year? >> Um, four and five years. Five.

[13:28] » It's essentially a bachelor's degree. >> I mean, yeah.

[13:33] » Well, no, but in terms of in terms of it's essentially bachelor's degree.

[13:42] Well, good luck finding somebody. >> Yeah. So, I mean, if you guys know

[13:47] anybody that's retired and wants to work part time to do those inspections, let

[13:51] me know. >> But they wouldn't still have to be the

[13:56] the journey level discipline, right?

[14:00] » Yeah. They would they would have to be a journeyman for them already to be

[14:03] certified here. Anything

[14:10] else on that one? That's all I have for that one. Okay. Um the roofing permits

[14:15] inspection. >> Yes. So this one, let me switch the

[14:22] screen.

[14:41] Can you guys read that? Um, so this I emailed this out yesterday

[14:48] to all of you. Um, but this this idea would be an administrative process. Um,

[14:56] it wouldn't be adopted into an ordinance. And this came up because

[15:03] we our administrative process before with um a re- roofing permit was that if

[15:10] anything structural is changed um so sheathing has to be replaced or trusses

[15:16] then then you would need the re- roofing permit. Um,

[15:22] I've had a lot of discussions with our attorney about the roof permits and he

[15:28] would like to see either all re-roofing permits, all re-roofing jobs have a

[15:36] permit regardless, structural, non-structural,

[15:40] um, or none of them. We just delete that part out of our code.

[15:46] what's his what's his uh uh logic behind that?

[15:52] » Uh he's had a lot of lawsuits around roofs um roof leaks and you know it's

[16:00] it's an important inspection. Um but we don't get on ladders, so we don't get on

[16:07] roofs. Um it's hard to see everything from the ground. So, this process would

[16:13] allow us to be able to see more of the roofs on new construction and on

[16:21] re-roofing permits um by taking pictures, videos of different stages of

[16:29] the roofing process so we can inspect it that way.

[16:33] » Yeah. >> Or so we put the onus on installers to

[16:37] provide that information for >> Yes. At what point do they need to

[16:40] provide you? >> Um, so I would like to see when the drip

[16:44] edge, flashing, ice, and water and underllayment is down. Um, so we can

[16:49] ensure that was installed and installed correctly. And then um a couple

[16:55] different spots as they're nailing the shingles

[17:00] um for an asphalt roof. And then the final products we can typically see

[17:06] front ground. Um but

[17:12] I'm not wor they would have to come in provide that information to you. I mean

[17:17] could it be done email or? >> Yeah they could they could send an email

[17:21] um they send pictures. Yeah. Yeah. Twitter. Okay.

[17:26] » Yeah. >> Yeah. So a little bit more

[17:30] responsibility on the >> instable.

[17:35] » Yeah. >> Certain certainly better than saying you

[17:38] got to come out and look at it, >> right?

[17:40] » Is there a lot of problems with >> uh not necessarily we've we've just had

[17:46] the confusion and the old administrative process on where do we draw the line on

[17:53] existing and re-roofing? Um what triggers that permit? what doesn't and I

[17:59] think we just as we grow up I think we need a better administrative process for

[18:03] it. >> So right now if you have to replace

[18:08] sheeting that qualifies >> as needed permit. Yes.

[18:12] » Is that is that logic because of structural?

[18:15] » Yes. Okay.

[18:20] » Yeah. I guess the biggest thing that I see is when they don't replace it and I

[18:25] don't know how you catch that though, right? because you're catching the guys

[18:27] that are doing it right, not the guys that are just saying, "No, we're fine.

[18:30] It'll be okay." >> I do believe that obviously, you know,

[18:33] when there's structural damage to the trusses, especially a broken one is for

[18:36] a valley that doesn't have the proper amount, you know, that's going to allow

[18:39] it to be reached. But because in a valley, I mean, just between the spreads

[18:43] on that, you know, when they don't put anything underneath it, that's like 34

[18:46] inches that just flexes and changes out there. Yeah,

[18:50] » that's a tough one because you guys used to go, you know, like the sheathing

[18:53] inspection portion of it. You have to find a road way for you guys to get up

[18:56] there. >> Yeah.

[18:57] » And you know, obviously that's really important, but also the hazards.

[19:03] » So that's something that's been a way obviously fell off, so we have some

[19:07] issues, right? So, >> um,

[19:10] » yeah, I guess I it just because I know a lot of I I don't do a lot of

[19:14] rebirththing, but I do contract it out and I I know that we run into situations

[19:19] where I just can't see them stopping to permit something just because they

[19:23] reached a point where they need to replace a like two section of a

[19:26] sheeting. So, I'm just trying to figure out how that's going to work as far as

[19:30] giving them the incentive. It's almost like you have to do all of the reooks,

[19:34] all of those who fall in those categories, but because it is something

[19:39] that a lot of people will, you know, not do correctly. It's because of time and

[19:43] money. >> That's a good one.

[19:47] » And that's and that's kind of the conversations that I've had with our

[19:51] attorney is that, you know, we probably miss those. And if we just do a

[19:56] re-roofing permit for everything, then it's more simple than everything for

[20:02] every roof as a permit. Um, and there's no line drawn in the sand when you need

[20:09] it. When you don't need it, you just need it. Um, but I think part of the

[20:14] re-roofing would be um pictures or ground inspection of the existing roof

[20:19] deck >> y condition before they cover it.

[20:24] » Yeah. >> Yeah. How much of how much of a cost or

[20:27] would it add a cost or is there a current cost for the

[20:31] » um what what would that look like maybe? >> Yeah, it would be its own fee. I haven't

[20:36] looked at fees um what we should charge fees for it. Usually I I just look at

[20:42] other jurisdictions around us. Um and then we we do what makes sense for

[20:48] compared to that what makes sense for us without losing money

[20:53] because I mean I'm thinking you're really putting pretty much the owners

[20:56] and everything on a person. So really just pass

[21:02] I mean all you need to have physically check right like yeah looks good.

[21:07] » Yeah. And a lot of it would be done by pictures. Um there's other ways they

[21:13] could do it in here. Um like they could have a certified third party uh do the

[21:18] roof inspection provide us with the reports. Um they could

[21:26] use like a polemounted camera um or live video. That one's kind of interesting

[21:34] because we don't have a great way to capture and save a live video. Um, so I

[21:41] would prefer not to have the live video and just have, you know, somebody take a

[21:46] video and send it to us because then we can save that. Um, or you know,

[21:51] pictures. >> I mean, you me you mentioned drone. I

[21:55] mean, >> could you allow them to just shoot drone

[21:58] footage and good? >> Yeah. Yeah, send me a photo or anything,

[22:03] right? >> Reason to start a new company

[22:11] buy, >> you know, have to go out and fly the

[22:15] thing out, you know, take pictures, fly it back.

[22:18] » Yeah, we we've looked at that. Um, and there's a lot of regulations with drone

[22:23] shell and being licensed and um, I don't think that would be the best thing for

[22:27] us. I don't [laughter] think fun.

[22:34] » So true. So true. I think some of this has come up because of the older houses,

[22:39] right? they pull those roots off and the homeowner thinks that maybe it

[22:45] should be done differently because re- roofing should be done differently and

[22:49] they're not happy with it. So, they've come to us and asked us to be involved

[22:53] with it. That's how that's kind of how this is coming up.

[22:58] » It also seems that most of the re-roofs are insurance found, right? I mean, it's

[23:03] any house that's sold in this valley that's 10 years old, any inspector will

[23:07] just call that roof out. It's the easiest thing for him to do.

[23:09] » Correct. >> So then there is a form of inspection

[23:12] that the insurance company has to have which could also fall in line with what

[23:16] you're doing. But I would say probably 90% of every RA is insurance bound to

[23:22] certain extent. So that helps. But >> would you say no bringing this up?

[23:29] property owners, you know, they had somebody come and re they pull that they

[23:34] pull it off and do it because the slats instead of the sheets.

[23:41] » I think I think for me I can see a reason to require a permit

[23:45] if there's going to be I guess I find structural I can say the sheeting is

[23:49] called structural between more trustless >> I can see that for sure. One of the

[23:53] things for me that inspections can do a project is slow way down. You

[23:58] know, if someone if someone wants to hit the roof on the weekend, they can't do

[24:01] it if they have inspection. >> Exactly.

[24:03] » Um if they they pull it off, they find it there's a rock spot. Oh my goodness,

[24:06] now we got to call the county up and then we got to fix that spot waif come

[24:10] out. Like I said, there may be some way

[24:12] around it with the pictures and things like that. But I I don't think the

[24:15] county would want the possible liability of, you know, having the house get

[24:19] rained on because they opened it up and found out, oh no.

[24:23] » All right. >> Now I got to get sheeting on there. And

[24:25] maybe the old sheeting was maybe they used half inch sheeting with no clips.

[24:30] » Yeah. >> And so now we can do, you know, they

[24:32] patch the humble in place. Now they got clip the whole thing. Or

[24:35] » I don't know. I I don't think the county wants to stay away from that. I can see

[24:38] the county wanting to be there for trusses. Yeah, but I

[24:41] » and we had one in the city of Riby where a tree fell on it a couple months ago

[24:46] and so they took the tree off and there's a couple trusses damaged. So

[24:49] they got a permit for that and um what was easy about that one was they opened

[24:54] up inside the house too. So they just did a remodel while they were at it so

[24:58] we could see everything from underneath like we normally would be able to do. Um

[25:02] so that one was a lot more simple. Well, every time a trust gets broke, it has to

[25:07] be engineered, too. You can't just slide one next to it to say you did it. Okay.

[25:10] Right. You have to get an engineer. I mean, to get officially

[25:15] » Yeah. >> Yeah. That's a tough one because I what

[25:19] I like about it though for greater edit is to try to catch some of these guys

[25:22] that aren't doing it right. Once they get a couple violations, once they get

[25:25] some things against them, then maybe that'll stop because there's plenty of

[25:27] guys that just, you know, not doing it the right way and do it as fast as they

[25:31] can and they're doing it. So, making them have inspection better. I just

[25:35] don't think it's going to definitely help whether you do all of them or just

[25:41] the ones that fall into that parameter. That's a tough one.

[25:45] Somebody feel like you have to get them inspection. When they see something bad,

[25:47] they're going to not see something bad, >> right?

[25:52] » Yeah. Sounds like you're going to be advised all or nothing.

[25:56] I think it'll be a house fall.

[26:03] » Yeah. So I mean if I >> Yeah. But then in that case it's not

[26:06] necessarily the roof not the not the roof per se. It's inspecting inspecting

[26:13] the you know structural structure right that's so I don't so we did that you

[26:18] know it doesn't include include that you know application of the flashing

[26:26] grip edge or anything else. So, I mean, I guess my my inclination would be it's

[26:34] probably not a bad idea that can you make it so that it's not ownorous.

[26:39] » Yeah. >> I mean, and it sounds like it doesn't

[26:42] need to be really what you're trying to do is build a photographic evidence

[26:48] that it was done correctly. >> Yeah.

[26:51] » If they don't do so either, right? >> Yeah. And so then then the question,

[26:55] okay, so you ask somebody to come and does it, but we can take pictures to you

[26:59] and you look at it, you go, no, what are you going to do? I mean that to me that

[27:05] that's where the point, >> okay, what if somebody really does do a

[27:10] crap job? >> Yeah.

[27:11] » And and you have photographic evidence that it's

[27:14] » Yeah. >> Then then does the does the county bear

[27:17] liability? the homeowner to paint somebody

[27:20] said you were going to do the inspection the permitting and they let this crap

[27:26] float. That makes sense. And so it's that balancing those those two things.

[27:30] » Yeah. >> Yeah. And then I guess I guess the

[27:33] question would be to if we do this process for re-roofing with you know

[27:40] pictures and evidence proof should we also be doing that [clears throat]

[27:45] with all of our new construction as well um because we don't have a specific

[27:52] roofing inspection um and new construction and so you know

[27:59] sometimes we don't you know we don't see anything.

[28:04] And then other times we can see them up there working on the roof. Um and

[28:09] sometimes, you know, we do sheathing inspection, we come back to our framing,

[28:13] it's got a roof on it and we never saw anything.

[28:17] » It's a big work. >> Yeah, it is.

[28:23] » Yeah, >> that's my personality.

[28:27] » Yeah. And I I think if if you suggest that we don't go there, then um what I

[28:34] would like to do is remove um in our code and in our ordinance

[28:40] remove roof covering inspector uh roof covering systems from inspection. Just

[28:47] like Sean was saying earlier, 90% of the roofs are inspected by insurance

[28:52] companies and then paying the bill. let them continue

[28:57] to there is definitely a consumer >> needs it done. It doesn't fall into

[29:02] insurance. A 30-year-old brother, an older couple something that saves them

[29:06] from possibly having, you know, because that's just kind of the way it goes. But

[29:10] at the same time, I thought the top

[29:14] » I think it's a can of worms. You know, >> it's a big one. That's why I brought it

[29:18] here. [laughter] I don't think we want to go there and

[29:21] set the county up for any payment because if you have photo evidence it's

[29:25] wrong, >> right? And

[29:28] » well that goes back to back the contractor just like always. I mean if

[29:33] they turn in the wrong pictures. >> Yeah.

[29:37] » Somebody else. >> Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. So why

[29:40] do we want to police it? I guess like >> Well, that's a big thing too in in the

[29:44] track homes. Where do we get our evidence from one house to another when

[29:48] all their roof looks the same? where how we know that it's this house

[29:55] and it's on this house over here. That's why I like the drone. I mean, I think it

[30:02] captured it, right? >> Right.

[30:07] there is that small one you can comply without that sort of stuff but yeah it's

[30:11] not >> I hope we do that

[30:16] » I mean there's you know when you're buying a house too you have home

[30:19] inspectors that are looking at the roof and

[30:24] » some of them are pretty thorough there's really not much they can see

[30:30] there that's good right it's

[30:37] What does the county right

[30:43] » there's not there's not a lot of counties around us I you know I asked

[30:48] the surrounding counties if >> any of them even get on a roof

[30:54] » all the ones you know four or five different jurisdictions that responded

[30:57] to me and they don't get on a roof. >> Yeah. Yeah. had for years without a

[31:00] problem. The only inspector I've ever had on the roof was Jeff and

[31:10] Last had to provide a ladder.

[31:19] » Yeah, that was scary as a contractor. a ladder for somebody to get up there for

[31:25] like maybe a few months and then they >> Well, somebody fell. Was it Somebody

[31:30] fell, right? Wasn't Was it >> I don't think somebody fell.

[31:37] » We We had We had >> Yeah, just recently fell off and he got

[31:41] the re right. He was like smacking for like two days or something.

[31:45] » Then he started >> Yeah. Yeah. I think he I think he hanged

[31:49] up injury or something and then he came back and and fell and his knee.

[31:56] » Yeah.

[31:59] » Well, I don't not that you're done with this. Somebody could another thing that

[32:03] we're not inspecting or maybe you are is shower pans. Is that something we're not

[32:07] doing also at that? >> Right. We don't inspect the actual van

[32:12] tile back.

[32:16] Am I wrong? Evan does the test too, right?

[32:21] » So, well, >> pretty sure Evan does.

[32:24] » So, the last big shower I did all day with water.

[32:29] » I s two an inch or two inches of water and it had to be there 24 hours.

[32:33] » Yeah. >> Yeah. I just think that that's a big

[32:36] one. Not that I need to reintroduce anything, but that's a big one for me

[32:40] just because >> that would be something that I would be

[32:42] more worried about. >> Yeah. Yeah. Sure.

[32:48] » It's a tile job and so it's it's it's not before it's after the roughen

[32:53] inspection for the plumbing, but it could happen at the same time and it's

[32:57] supposed to kind of but mainly it's been something that we take a photo of it at

[33:01] the beginning of it and then do a time lapse 24 hours later and take another

[33:04] photo of it. So >> and it has to hold the walker.

[33:07] » Still just photographic though. >> That those have been for me. That's

[33:10] inspectors used to do it. They used to have to come out and do it. We have to

[33:13] wait for them before the tile guys full of water. But to me, those are the

[33:18] things that fail the most. >> Is that Falls or B?

[33:20] » I don't fall well. City of B Falls doesn't it for sure and Amanda does it

[33:25] for sure. I don't think Bon County doesn't

[33:27] » Okay. Yeah.

[33:31] And Shelly doesn't do it or Bingham County does not do it, but two other

[33:35] counties I know for sure do. And the only reason why I'm bringing it up is

[33:38] just because you see it and it's not today or tomorrow. It's five years after

[33:42] the house gets built and it fails and everybody's pissed off and that's a big

[33:46] deal and it's a lot of money and so it's just

[33:52] » because of that >> just like the sheriff right it's not a

[33:56] parent issue

[34:00] » how did they lose that >> it's just a flood like you know the

[34:04] flood insurance you can't find liability for somebody

[34:08] else who's responsible for it because it's hard to prove that's what So I

[34:14] think there were luck in the basement.

[34:20] So they're down in the basement. They go down water. They call

[34:26] it

[34:43] out. >> Yeah, we dealt with it before.

[34:51] » Yeah. So it's it's a good suggestion. Um I'd like to stay on the agenda and I'm

[34:57] sorry I can bring that >> on my notes because it is something

[35:00] important and when you talk about water leaves I just thought this one has to

[35:04] come up. So >> So do you need anything from us on the

[35:07] rooftop? >> Um I mean mainly I'm just looking for

[35:11] suggestions. Um I didn't want to make that decision

[35:16] one way or another by myself. Um, I think you need to do all of them or none

[35:20] of them. And I would say none. I would concur. It's just too big of a It's too

[35:27] big. >> Yeah. I think I think you know maybe

[35:30] it's not that our virtue but we're to take photographic evidence of your of

[35:38] your work. I mean in in the world I live in I document every

[35:44] » right. I mean you didn't just do that. When I build my home, I actually have,

[35:50] you know, gigabyte code of everything I did, where I put stuff, where I did it,

[35:54] everything else so I can come back, you know, not that you want to regact.

[36:02] I mean, that's basic not like the old days when you had rolling

[36:07] pay.

[36:13] Hell, hell my kids. My kids focus. I don't know how they're doing.

[36:22] » Okay.

[36:27] » No, just for the record.

[36:33] » And then item number five, discuss building type, which is a very

[36:37] appropriate topic. >> Yes. Um, so it was

[36:41] » into how far did you need to be back from?

[36:48] [clears throat] [laughter]

[36:51] » So it was it was recently brought to my attention that the Hammer Fire District

[36:58] doesn't have the capability to firefighters two stories. Um, [snorts]

[37:04] » invite him up. >> Would you like to come speak the

[37:07] capability?

[37:20] turning pressure up. He's like we

[37:34] » No,

[37:38] the question I had was since the county doesn't have any more height

[37:44] restrictions with not just Hammer but with the other

[37:49] fire departments, you We have twotory houses. We can have

[37:54] everybody wants to have the bigger house. All our house

[37:58] and reach the twotory right now. Get on the roof.

[38:09] » Yeah, we can set back with our truck and pump water on top of it and as soon as

[38:15] it burns through then the water, you know. But I was just I guess question

[38:22] was on these taller structures

[38:26] should they have to have required to have a sprinkler system inside?

[38:32] » No, >> I don't know the sprinkler system thing

[38:37] back and forth for the last 20 years. What I

[38:42] so sprink

[38:53] but but >> but

[38:54] » either way it's 100%. But you're right. But the loss of life should be less

[38:58] because I mean usually you withstand the sprinkler fire

[39:04] » like withstand the water with the >> Yeah. From a build from like

[39:12] 40

[39:18] cost too. I mean when you do a system inside of a home I mean you're looking

[39:21] at 15 to$20,000. >> It's a system. that you're not going to

[39:25] have enough water. >> Okay,

[39:27] » that's usually where we're going to because I've done several

[39:30] » I've done several homes that that have >> So the last home I did with fire

[39:36] sprinkler was a 16,000 foot home. We had to do three wells on the property and

[39:42] then we did a 16,000gallon storage tank. So the we had to have 100

[39:48] gallons a minute. I can't have any. So we had he had $350,000

[39:55] Yeah. >> Which which

[40:00] if you're

[40:04] » but but still so >> sure

[40:06] » that's that's going to be $35,000 if you go to 1600 like

[40:12] » Well, but there's but there's other systems out there that that don't

[40:17] necessarily have to be loaded, right? They can be drive.

[40:21] » Yeah, but Right. got to have

[40:27] some glide for. >> So

[40:31] refer to a drive. >> So the the where I get into that is

[40:36] every time I turn around and every time I turn in a bid, every person I ever

[40:40] give a bid to or an estimate to is just a poor guy trying to get into a home and

[40:46] the builders are just screwing them over. And if you look at it the hund

[40:50] like more than inflation more than the cost of anything thing that's driven up

[40:55] cost more than anything inflation anything you can think of is government

[40:59] regulation. So obviously when somebody's paying for

[41:04] it they don't want to pay for it but when they're dying but then obviously

[41:07] they want. >> So it's a tough situation to get into

[41:11] because like you look at the insulation restrictions and they've got us insulate

[41:15] houses so tight that now we got to bring in fresh air. So, is it really a better

[41:19] deal bringing fresh air than to just have it all that

[41:24] » because it's all those things are all of those things are adding cost

[41:30] » and both of my kids live at home right now

[41:33] because I have no idea. Well, so, so in my mind, it comes down

[41:40] to you're either if if we're not dealing with the fire department and trying to

[41:45] address it that way, the homeowners going to be paying higher interest,

[41:49] right? Because if the fire >> department can't fight fire so the house

[41:56] was this location, >> it's it is location based central aers

[42:04] only have a ladder truck. >> Well, it's it's

[42:07] They said equipment availability.

[42:15] » So we don't have >> well it's equipment.

[42:19] It's equipment availability on one one one issue I guess

[42:25] » on one side and so so based on that though what is there are there consensus

[42:32] codes

[42:35] that I mean like an FDA code or or anything

[42:39] » well and so in addition to an IBC know IBC does not

[42:44] go >> so bottom county requires sprinklers in

[42:49] homes on lots larger than 5 acres.

[42:56] » Well, you haven't run into that. >> I'll ask you

[43:02] how big the house is or requiring a sprinkler system.

[43:06] » Unless it's the sprinkler system thing. >> Last house I build over two years.

[43:15] » Okay. >> Yeah. I don't I I'll check on the code.

[43:19] » That's why we say that.

[43:22] » Well, and that was the other question was because the state took it out of the

[43:26] code. Yeah. >> Right. And so,

[43:28] » do we have the ability to even put it back in?

[43:31] » So, their screen was really even an option.

[43:34] » Well, I I mean, from what I've seen over the last No.

[43:38] » Yeah. >> Yeah. In fact, history of it would bring

[43:42] up so much so much headache that it wouldn't be worth it to bring it up.

[43:51] Wyoming, >> but they were over 10,000

[43:54] » and the insurance compan

[44:00] because of the >> and so this is more we're discussing

[44:04] this because of the building heights and and their lack of ability to get up

[44:08] there. >> And so what would you be asking them

[44:11] like to restrict building heights and you know life in these areas? I mean I

[44:15] would be I don't know what the answer is.

[44:17] » It's a tough situation because you guys collect a lot of impact fees not on

[44:21] residential but on what I pay in commercial impact fees every fire

[44:25] department should have. >> They don't we don't they're not included

[44:30] and they only fire. I'm an ex volunteer firefighter. I get

[44:34] » you know I mean because yeah to an extent it's improving issue but to

[44:40] update to house one of those ladder trucks

[44:46] after tax. No, and I'm not I'm not insinu

[45:04] whatever goes top of the spray nozzle. At least you can get to the top of the

[45:07] roof, you know. I mean, we do we we have we have two houses out there right now

[45:12] that are two.

[45:16] So you have to take enough ladders together to climb it really wants to

[45:21] climb that ladder up on top. We probably figure out some way to do

[45:27] it, but you know,

[45:32] » what's

[45:39] the conserv

[45:43] I mean there's there are not limits in the county and

[45:47] » sky's is the limit. >> Yeah, there should be the limit because

[45:51] the insurance company's going to regulate. It really is like and the

[45:55] structure is going to catch fire and burn and we're going to let it burn or

[45:58] we're going to destroy it with water. So at the end of the day it's a total loss

[46:02] of your >> other than my other than my equipment

[46:06] you're going to they're going to die in the smoke before the fire.

[46:10] » You know people will buy 40 vehicles because drive that might not be safe

[46:14] regulate that either. You know this in this country we're still pretty heavily

[46:19] a buyer beware market. You know, seller need to steal those things that they

[46:23] that they know about, but the buyers will have to do their due diligence. You

[46:26] think about someone buying a house in Hammer that's too tall. You know, they

[46:30] they be aware of it. So, I think they need to have the right to make a city.

[46:34] They need to know that the house is not going to be protected. Richard's company

[46:38] will definitely want to find that out. You know, it's easy to say sick, but

[46:42] when you're the firefighter on the job, there not a damn thing you can do.

[46:48] » Sure. I know. When the dog store is on fire, we're not going into

[46:54] » Right. >> Yeah. So, at that point, we're just

[46:58] trying not to let anybody

[47:04] especially know fire blocking and all the things that prevent that in the two

[47:07] hour, you know, I mean, those are things that sometimes we miss.

[47:15] I think give more freedom that we have away because of government agencies in

[47:24] I don't you know what I mean but I

[47:28] stand >> yeah

[47:31] but I'm that's the thing is I hate turnover a bit these days. I feel like

[47:38] I'm making less per dollar than I have the past, but they're the biggest bids

[47:43] I've ever given out because the cost of everything is ridiculous. Every

[47:50] » And you know, you turn it over. Well, how much flying? We ain't built

[47:55] for this.

[48:01] Restrictions are by far the biggest driver

[48:06] that

[48:11] we

[48:14] came here just to hear what you're going. How would you say that?

[48:19] Yeah, that's a but since you're here though, let me ask

[48:22] what what would come back for the neighbor fire. What would they ask for?

[48:29] » I don't know. You know that we we had we had have had a structure out here that

[48:34] we asked for spring anyway just for the stand pipe that rein and

[48:41] you know I mean in a situation like that we have

[48:45] » see to me to me that makes perfect sense >> in a stand

[48:52] dry all the time doesn't freeze if there was

[48:58] » hook on to it and crank the water and make yeah there there there would be

[49:02] water damage I not >> I think that's probably something though

[49:06] that is worth consideration >> because because that would not be

[49:10] » water damage fire damage I mean at that point it's called it but if somebody's

[49:15] in there at least maybe it gives the chance

[49:17] » right but >> yeah and you know we've had our share

[49:20] house fire we've had our share house fire where we can't find

[49:26] » so we are going they're all the stories

[49:32] and 99 and a half% but

[49:38] point is the true the whole county and not just in our district

[49:44] with no higher restrictions the buildings are getting taller and taller

[49:48] and taller

[49:52] and it will burn somebody down and I mean I I think I think there is some

[49:55] merit though to dry dry sand even needed to for consideration for

[50:04] I know house build house contract make all

[50:21] I don't like necessarily the government regulation myself but we have stuff to

[50:26] deal with and the height to build it was something

[50:31] it does need to be dealt with somehow I think

[50:36] » I mean I think it's worth further consider at least if nothing else

[50:39] consideration I mean I just think we need to be thinking about it

[50:44] » let's have let's have the attorney look over and see what what

[50:49] building Right.

[50:58] » Anything else? That's all I have.

[51:12] A motion to adjourn. >> I'll make a motion we adjourn.

[51:15] » I'll second it. >> Moved and second to adjurnn. All in

[51:18] favor? >> I motion carries. That kind of guy.

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