[0:01] Welcome to the uh September 3rd edition of the Jericho Select Board meeting. I

[0:05] want to start by welcoming Laura Durham who is our new town administrator. Um

[0:09] for those of you paying attention, Paula is still with us. Paula is going back to

[0:12] her old role of assistant town administrator and we do thank her for

[0:16] her time even though we did that last meeting. Worth calling out again.

[0:22] In order to make our meetings more efficient, we are limiting public

[0:24] comment to the beginning of the meeting. The public to be heard section.

[0:28] Select board meetings are in the public, not of the public. Please do not use the

[0:31] chat on Zoom for anything other than technical issues. Please be respectful

[0:35] and please keep public comments to 3 minutes or less. And then one note for

[0:41] um for Donna for the minutes since we have two Lauras um in the minutes you

[0:47] can just refer to them as Laura D and Laura C. I think that will work going

[0:52] forward. With that said, is there any public to

[0:57] be heard?

[1:08] And with that, we'll move on to our first agenda, which is to appoint

[1:11] Nicholas near Jesse to the mobs farm committee with a term expiring in 2029.

[1:17] Do you want to just give us a little chat about what uh you're welcome to

[1:20] come up or you're welcome to talk from there. Whatever works better for you.

[1:24] » Okay, I'll talk from here I guess. Um so uh moved to Jericho in 2023 from Milton,

[1:30] originally from Franklin County. Uh just love Mobs period as a resource. uh walk

[1:36] my dogs there pretty much every day of the week. Trying to think of how to be

[1:42] of any kind of service to the community and uh kind of flipping that uh sense of

[1:48] uh you know pull towards mobs and just thinking that if one way that I could at

[1:53] least contribute to maintaining what it already is. So that's kind of me. I'm a

[1:58] psychotherapist. I work in South Burlington as well as home um private

[2:02] practice formerly a lot of agencies and hospital settings and that kind of thing

[2:06] services. So yeah, happy to answer any questions but just generally motivated

[2:12] to uh join the committee

[2:19] questions from the board. >> We can make a motion if we're ready.

[2:23] » Welcome. >> Thank you. Yeah, thanks for agreeing to

[2:26] serve and uh we'll we'll [clears throat] see how your vote goes here.

[2:31] » Well, I'd like to make a motion to appoint Nicholas near Jesse to the Mobs

[2:34] Farm Committee with a term expiring in 2029.

[2:37] » I will second that. >> All those in favor say I.

[2:39] » I. >> Welcome. Thank you.

[2:42] » Congratulations. >> Congratulations.

[2:44] » Congratulations, Pete. You got another member. [laughter]

[2:48] » Yeah. >> Thank you. Disrespect to the town.

[2:53] » What are you riding? What's your bike? >> Uh, it's Roder today.

[2:57] » Okay, nice. >> Enjoy.

[2:59] » Thank you. >> Thanks.

[3:01] » Thank you. >> Uh, next on the agenda is to review and

[3:05] consider approval of the letter to residents regarding unregistered dogs.

[3:10] I did read it. I'm personally okay with it since it's coming from me. What do

[3:15] you all think? Did you have any updates to it?

[3:17] » I think it was fine, but uh, Claudine also looked at it too, I'm assuming. are

[3:21] legal like did we need to have legal counsel look at it or no

[3:24] » I don't >> no I think it's a pretty standard we

[3:26] said same letter we send every time >> great fabulous

[3:32] » yeah I make a motion

[3:36] » well thank official >> okay uh I make motion to approve the

[3:42] letter to residents regarding unregistered dogs

[3:46] » I second the motion >> all those in favor say I Hi. And if you

[3:50] have the letter handy, I can sign it.

[4:01] » Uh, next is review and consider approval of the errors and omissions from the

[4:05] listers. Lori, I think Lori is on. >> Yeah. Hi, Lori.

[4:13] » Oh, we can't hear you, Lori. There we go. Did I unmute?

[4:18] » So, this this one is on a um we this year when we were doing the reappraisal,

[4:23] we went through the state pays a per parcel payment to the town and they

[4:29] require us to put contiguous parcels together to combine them. And during the

[4:34] reappraisal, we also reset up a commercial database. So, this is the

[4:39] dentist office over off of Raceway. And when it got combined, the one lot that

[4:47] got combined with the other, they never inactivated that account. So the

[4:51] gentleman got a tax bill for one lot twice

[4:55] because it was already combined. So he got two tax bills. One of them he

[4:59] shouldn't have gotten. So that's what this is for is to wipe that tax bill

[5:03] away because it's already on the other law.

[5:06] So the first the first tax bill that he got the correct one that had the right

[5:10] value that included both. >> Yes, it did. Yes. Okay. From the

[5:14] commercial database and then he also got a got one for the law land of the land

[5:19] behind the dentist office um which should have been inactivated.

[5:25] » Okay.

[5:29] » Questions from the board? >> Nope.

[5:33] Almost [clears throat] done.

[5:36] » No, it's a short one today. Uh, >> do we have to state like the location or

[5:42] anything in the motion? >> Uh, it was I can give you that. It was

[5:47] Raceway 22 Raceway and 26 Raceway. >> Yeah.

[5:53] Where is it? I make a I make a motion to approve the error and emissions for uh

[6:00] 22 and 26 Race Ray Road from the listers.

[6:04] » That works. >> Close enough.

[6:06] » I will second that. >> All those in favor say I.

[6:09] » I. >> Thanks.

[6:13] » Thanks, Lori. Next is review and consider approval of

[6:18] the letter to Nemer to make Paula Olind the new

[6:23] » I didn't understand this word the cloud administrator

[6:27] » what does cloud mean

[6:33] » you work you work in a cloud all day long

[6:35] » is that is that what they mean >> but what is what are the

[6:38] » like literally like to log in and >> giving her access I think giving her

[6:41] access to the numerous database on. I don't know if Okay.

[6:49] » resource. >> Okay.

[6:50] » So, it's just it's literally just a login.

[6:53] » It's the administrative log for the the attempt.

[6:59] » Should I know what Nimmerich is? >> Nimrich is the company that we that we

[7:04] contracted with to do all of our reappraisals.

[7:07] » Yeah. Oh, gotcha. I I I'm fine with this, but I would also say we should

[7:11] probably go through and do a quick audit of like is there anyone else who has

[7:14] access to anything town related then that shouldn't you know what I mean? If

[7:19] so, what I'm bringing here is Linda had cloud-based program access incorrectly

[7:25] and she looks like she still had that cloud-based access. So, are there any

[7:29] other things where it's like >> she had it correctly but then when she

[7:34] » left the job did she still have access? >> Exactly. like at work when we offboard

[7:38] somebody there's like a whole process right make sure they're remove you know

[7:41] it has their thing whatever so I wonder if we need to

[7:45] » have a little do >> we can confirm with

[7:48] » yeah and and but but >> other than nimick like other like other

[7:51] like other >> and also maybe just come up with a

[7:55] little document that says hey so and so leaves let's make sure they're removed

[8:00] from all these things

[8:03] » anyway I'm I'm fine with Do we need a motion for that?

[8:08] » Anyone have any other questions?

[8:12] » I make a motion to approve the letter to NEMRC to make Paul Holstein our new

[8:16] cloud administrator. >> I will second that.

[8:20] » All those in favor say I. >> I.

[8:21] » I. [laughter]

[8:25] » No. No. Select board updates. >> Update.

[8:30] » Uh let's start with um we'll start we'll start with you, Chris. We'll start there

[8:34] and we'll work our way this way. >> Okay. I have a bunch.

[8:37] » A bunch too. >> Missed a meeting.

[8:40] » Okay. So, Jericho. >> What's he saying?

[8:46] » Sorry. Go ahead. >> The one guy without an email.

[8:53] [laughter] >> We should have a little thread just

[8:57] illegal, but it's not secure. It's not secure. [laughter]

[9:05] Okay. Jargo Town Library um building project first. Uh we are preparing bid

[9:13] documents and expect those to go out late October or early November aiming

[9:18] towards spring construction. Um I've reviewed as part of that process

[9:25] civil engineering plans, structural plans, and architectural plans.

[9:30] There are minor revisions to me on all of those. Um,

[9:37] and there's a bid narrative package or bid package narrative component which

[9:42] I've reviewed and there are revisions coming with that. I've spoken to the

[9:47] local roofing contractor Jericho roofing who is just to confirm that they are in

[9:53] fact still on board to donate the roofing and they are standing seam metal

[9:58] roof. They will provide all new roof sheathing um vented ridge cap.

[10:05] » They're going to reshath it too. >> Wow.

[10:08] » So um there's three local guys who own the business or own the business. Um,

[10:15] » yep. >> Anyway, I don't have their names in

[10:17] front of me, but >> I know two of their names. I don't know

[10:19] who >> Yeah. So, um, anyway, it was very nice.

[10:22] Um,

[10:25] uh, I'm going to review the plans, the architectural plans with the library

[10:32] board of trustees soon, just to let them know. They've the new chair has been

[10:38] copied on them, but I just want to get in front of them and run through it with

[10:42] them. Um and then the architects s are suggesting

[10:48] that we have some hazardous material testing done of the library

[10:55] uh prior to construction. It's not necessary, but they're

[10:59] suggesting it because if there is and they don't think that there's likely to

[11:04] be anything, but if there is something and you know about ahead of time, it's

[11:09] not a change order and a surprise add to the cost. Um, so there's a firm in

[11:16] Wilston. So, I don't know if we seems like a good idea to me. But, um,

[11:21] » what do you think that would be like like look like for for digging like

[11:26] » No, it's more like in the building. >> It's more like in the building like lead

[11:29] paint would be a sort of obvious one. >> Yeah. You're guaranteed. There's no

[11:34] point testing them for that. And uh sometimes if there's depending on what

[11:39] the flooring like old flooring products in bathrooms can have

[11:44] » insulation and stuff or >> you know if there's pipe insulation

[11:49] somewhere um >> yeah that makes sense.

[11:52] » Can we not do we not have to deal with that paint?

[11:55] » Can we not have to deal with it? >> The way lead paint works is

[11:58] » you have to have it uh encapsulated. >> Yeah. Yeah. There's very specific

[12:03] requirements that you have to do in order to do any work on a

[12:07] » it depends on what >> basically your contractor has to be

[12:10] certified to work with >> but don't you have to like put it into a

[12:12] big bag and scrape it all off and >> that's part but the people you hire need

[12:17] to be certified to do that >> it probably doesn't cost a lot to have

[12:23] it done I think is probably a good idea um

[12:26] » I mean they should as long as they're not testing for lead paint I mean you

[12:31] just have to assume that it has it. >> It probably need to assume

[12:34] » there's no way to the only way you can like you'd have to like you have to do

[12:39] what's it's called like negative testing like you have to come and like do this

[12:43] very very thorough thing otherwise you have to assume that it has you have to

[12:47] even if you built a wall in the middle of that thing and you painted it

[12:51] » it's considered lead paint unless you get a certification so you building

[12:56] » Yeah. >> Yeah. and because it most certainly has

[13:01] it. >> Right. Right. Yeah.

[13:04] » Okay. I will reach out to them and talk to them about it.

[13:09] » And then so the new library director search um Laura D and I and Brandon Ale

[13:16] the chair of the board of trustees are the hiring team and we have

[13:22] uh six applicants. It's an international pool um of applicants. Uh and we will

[13:29] we're preparing for the interviews and we'll be doing the interviews very soon

[13:33] I would think. Um so yeah we've got a list of questions

[13:39] from the library that they used for the previous interviews and we will you know

[13:43] probably use those as the basis for interviews we do now. Um so yeah that

[13:49] will happen soon. Um so then on to [clears throat] the

[13:54] Packard Road property. Uh Justin Willis has been chipping away at this very

[14:01] steadily um which is really great. He has reviewed uh the location of the

[14:09] water lines from Champlne Water District and um has confirmed the setbacks that

[14:14] they need for that. It pushes the building back a little bit but it still

[14:18] works. Um he has requested and received the

[14:23] final 2018 storm water plans from Watershed Consulting and he's imported

[14:28] that into his drawings and he's met with an analyst from the

[14:32] state drinking water and groundwater protection division to review the site

[14:36] and our plans and that consultant had no concerns.

[14:40] Um and then just today he sent me further updates.

[14:45] Um

[14:48] he is proposing that we use a septic design that works for the four

[14:54] bedroomedroom two two-bedroom duplexes um or

[15:00] a duplex with two two bedroom >> total four bedrooms

[15:02] » total four bedrooms yes >> um

[15:06] which works with the a mount system a typical mount traditional mount system

[15:11] on the site he said if we really wanted to push the capacity we could do a more

[15:15] expensive system, but in my opinion, if we're trying to do affordable housing, I

[15:20] think we would probably not want to do that. Um, which is how he what he

[15:24] thinks. Also, um,

[15:27] he's going to do a final review with the watershed management division

[15:32] of the proposal, and he thinks they could probably do it with a through a

[15:36] desktop review, but if not, um, [clears throat]

[15:40] he would meet him on the site and I could join him for that. Um,

[15:43] [clears throat] So he thinks we're we are essentially

[15:49] probably ready to go with this property. He he is suggesting at this point that

[15:54] we have a title search done by the town attorney just to make sure that there's

[15:59] no nothing in the history of this property that would prevent

[16:04] » moving forward >> moving forward. So I think we should

[16:07] probably do that. Um, and he is uh willing, he said he hasn't

[16:14] put a lot of time into this yet, which I don't think is really true, but

[16:19] [laughter]

[16:21] he said he's if if we are in fact moving forward with affordable housing, he

[16:25] would, you know, either do this proono or at a steeply discounted rate. So,

[16:31] whenever you see him next, be sure to thank him for who?

[16:34] » Justin. >> Yeah. Thank him for all of this work

[16:38] because it's really um it's really moved this along

[16:42] » and he's prepared >> which this is moving along. We we

[16:45] probably need to have a warned discussion about it. You know what I

[16:48] mean? Like where we're talking about it and not just an update so somebody

[16:51] interested would see it on the agenda and talk about

[16:55] » and we haven't yet spent any money on it. Um Right. But just in general the

[17:00] fact we're getting to a title search like oh this this is gonna happen. Yeah.

[17:04] Yeah. No, that's that's that's a good idea. Yeah, he sent me

[17:08] » and maybe I don't know, Peter. Do you think it should I mean, should it be a

[17:12] JCDC thing? Kind of feels like a JCDC thing.

[17:17] » Um Um Well, that was my question. When

[17:22] Chris was done talking, I was going to say, so what's the plan for like who's

[17:25] going to actually put a house on this? >> Yeah.

[17:28] » Like what what individual is? >> That's a good question. Yeah.

[17:31] » Like is it are we going to sell the property with some contingencies to the

[17:34] sale, right? or is the JCDC going to develop it? Like what's the

[17:39] » Yeah, I guess we can >> put something to think about.

[17:42] » Put on the agenda. >> Put it on an agenda and then have that

[17:45] conversation about what's the plan. >> Yep.

[17:48] » I >> what's the best way to go about

[17:50] » Personally, I wouldn't necessarily care how we move forward, but I really think

[17:54] the priority should be affordable housing.

[17:56] » Oh, 100%. 100%. >> Whatever the best path to get that

[18:01] » Yeah. >> is would be fine with me. Yeah.

[18:03] » Um, but this path >> might be Habitat actually.

[18:07] » Well, it might be. Yeah. Yeah. >> Which would also be It just feels like

[18:12] the type of thing that the JC not that I want more work on the JC side, but it it

[18:17] just kind of feels like what we're at what we're supposed to be doing.

[18:20] » Yeah. What we've done to date is sort of reality test and now it looks like we

[18:24] are >> it could actually move forward.

[18:26] » The digital is like why can't we develop that? We're like oh you can't then now

[18:29] it's looking like oh wait we can. Yes. You've done some like is this actually

[18:33] possible? Seems clearly heading like yes it is. So now we need to like actually

[18:37] make a plan. >> Yeah. Yeah.

[18:40] Um >> so maybe the next step would be to Would

[18:43] you be willing to come to our next >> Sure.

[18:47] » When's the next meeting? It's after It's after Oh, we're not doing one in

[18:51] September. >> Oh, wait. No, September. What are we

[18:54] doing? >> So it'll be after the next select board

[18:56] meeting. So we could put on the agenda next select select.

[18:58] » What is the date? Uh, it' be the 24th. >> I'm out of town.

[19:02] » All right. You don't need to cancel those plans.

[19:04] » There you go. Yeah. We got a house to build, dude.

[19:08] » You have to build. >> Why don't I change our town? Get on the

[19:11] vote, please. >> Uh, you could I mean, you could ask

[19:15] Justin. >> Yeah, maybe we'll just add it to the

[19:19] next select board meeting and then that way we can talk about it in public and

[19:22] people can >> see that it's an agenda item. Come chat.

[19:25] But no, that's really good progress. >> That's Yeah. And he even did a

[19:29] preliminary site plan that shows where the septic would be and where the house

[19:32] would be and the setbacks. >> Sounds like not a lot of work.

[19:38] » Yes. I think he's underelling himself, but um anyway um

[19:44] uh I did the farmers market last week with Laura D initially um

[19:50] » which was nice. It was, you know, relatively low-key. uh chatted with

[19:56] Trevor Squirrel for a while. Um chat with somebody else who was interested in

[20:02] the Riverside project and what that was about. Uh

[20:07] so that was good. Um, and then, uh, as for the bike ped work,

[20:14] um, I've spoken to, I think, Eric, Laura D, and,

[20:20] um, Christian Shaheen about this, and I I I

[20:23] think that the best strategy for us is to make that work.

[20:28] » Well, to make a list of projects that we want them to tackle and

[20:35] assign dates to those, >> right? so that it becomes something that

[20:39] actually gets done and then figure out how to help them do the work.

[20:44] » I did mention to the the meeting that you couldn't make it last time we

[20:48] appointed a new person and one of the questions I asked him on your behalf was

[20:52] » we're probably going to be sending him a little more work. Are you comfortable

[20:55] with that? >> He seemed okay with it. So

[20:58] » yes, that's excellent. So and you know Chris Shaheen so we can decide how how

[21:04] to best help them. he suggested you know one possibility would be help from CCRPC

[21:10] um but if we can't manage it with current staff and

[21:16] you know help from the PC or anyway I don't know what the answer is but I

[21:21] think the starting point is to say these are the projects we want you to take on

[21:26] this is the sequence these are the dates we will help you do it

[21:34] okay that's it for five updates. >> Peter,

[21:38] » uh yeah, sorry. Go ahead. Um, in no particular order, um, we have

[21:45] talked a little bit about the 5% and 10% petitions item and I would like to get

[21:54] that finalized because um, we need to have people need to

[22:00] understand that before Tommy reimagine when public questions are a possibility

[22:05] and the time to explain that to folks or a logical time is this open house on

[22:09] October 17th. >> So, I'd like to try to get that

[22:13] formalized by the board before the 17th of October, which probably means the

[22:19] next meeting or the meeting after for us to go through it, read it, talk about

[22:22] it, decide. Yep, that's our rule. Um, and I think the biggest and there's the

[22:28] piece of just understanding the what the 5% statute means and then what the we

[22:36] need to clean up the 10% rule, the 10% local Jericho policy. We need to either

[22:42] kill it completely or restate it in a way that's legal. Um, so we need to take

[22:49] action around that one way or another >> because of what you were saying last

[22:52] meeting about the way it was that >> the way of is written isn't really

[22:56] » isn't really legal. >> Yeah.

[22:58] » Um, did the TMR group >> have any further thoughts after our

[23:03] meeting with them about they had a different reading on it than

[23:10] » that was the DEI group. >> Oh.

[23:11] » Oh, you mean who came in and talked to us? Yeah. Uh, I haven't talked to them.

[23:15] I'm pretty convinced that they misunderstood

[23:18] » right okay >> the the situation but at the end which I

[23:22] think they kind of at the end it was Sue and

[23:25] T I can't think of >> I can't think of his name

[23:28] » um but I think at the end they just sort of said with like yep it's clearly

[23:32] people are confused we see you guys to make it clear what the rules are and we

[23:36] want the rules to be as accessible as possible right

[23:38] » I think that that is >> lowering the threshold where possible I

[23:42] think is kind of the intent >> yeah so the so the big pieces are

[23:45] restating, deciding what we want to say about the

[23:48] 10% rule, either killing it off or writing it in a way that's lines up with

[23:54] statute. And the other piece is the

[23:58] is there some threshold below 5% where we are willing to put something

[24:06] onto a town meeting day agenda to be discussed refined and made into statute

[24:12] made into a Australian ballot >> and voted on at that meeting. You mean

[24:18] » voting on the language to then put on the ballot for the vote.

[24:23] » Right. So the very quick version for Chris and Amy is that if someone walks

[24:28] in with so the only way to get a public question onto the we vote everything by

[24:32] Australian ballot. >> If someone walks in here with 5% of the

[24:37] town signing a petition that language is already defined and so it just goes to

[24:41] Australian ballot. There's no need to talk about it in a town meeting day sort

[24:45] of way. The only way that something can get into

[24:49] a town meeting day, big group, full town discussion is if we put it on the agenda

[24:56] for that budget review day

[25:01] and so only we can do that because if somebody petitions us, it's a done deal

[25:06] and the language is already finalized. We can't adjust the language. But if we

[25:09] put something, for example, there was some talk last year that someone's going

[25:12] to be coming to us with the Palestinian referendum or and which never happened,

[25:17] but that would have been something that we could have put onto the public

[25:19] questions discussion as a topic to be debated. We would debate it. We would

[25:24] change this word to that word and adjust this and amend that and then finalize

[25:28] that language in that meeting. And then that final language would then go to the

[25:32] Australian ballot. Yeah. >> The only way for that process to happen

[25:36] is if we put something on the warning for the public questions

[25:42] budget review meeting. >> What we talked about when just the three

[25:46] of us were here was or maybe I I whatever I brought it up is we could

[25:52] have a lower bar. So if it 5% is I think around 250 people. if we said we don't

[26:00] want to be any we don't want to say oh just come to us and put something on

[26:02] there and we'll and we'll put it in front of the whole town it's important

[26:05] to you it's important to us and so that someone walks in with some whack job

[26:08] thing and now we're caught but so we were talking about is there some bar

[26:12] that we feel like is enough people that we feel comfortable saying

[26:17] yep we'll talk about that we'll talk about that and adjust the language and

[26:21] if you can if people show up at the budget review meeting the public

[26:25] questions portion and debate it and come up with language and then approve a vote

[26:30] to put that language on the Australian ballot, then we'll do it. And the number

[26:34] that I threw out when we when it was just three of us was if we have like a

[26:38] 100 signatures. So if someone gets a hundred senators in town about we want

[26:42] to discuss as a town putting the Palestinian issue into a conversation

[26:49] have a debate come up with final language and then vote that language yes

[26:53] or no to be allowed on the Australian ballot

[26:56] » because you're thinking that 250 is a high bar.

[26:59] » If they hit 250, we're out of it legally. It's the like.

[27:03] » But the reason you're suggesting this at all is that you think that might be 250

[27:07] is a lot of signatures to get. >> No, because if they get 250,

[27:12] we're looking for a way for our for the town of Jericho to debate issues to

[27:17] debate like referendums and ideas and things that are important to the town

[27:21] and have that end up on the Australian ballot. If someone gets a petition and

[27:25] gets 250 sign that I'm making that number up people on the on YouTube,

[27:28] that's it's like 227 or something. But if someone reaches that 5% there's no

[27:34] discussion. There's no town meeting discussion. There's no the language has

[27:38] been finalized. It goes directly to Australian ballot. The question is how

[27:41] do we get something how does someone get something into a townwide persontoperson

[27:46] conversation which then eventually ends up in the Australian ballot. And what um

[27:51] Gay said to me last year, she said that she was saying she didn't say it in a

[27:56] judgmental way but she said you guys should have put the town library thing.

[27:59] That should have been a public question. How should should the town How should

[28:02] the town How should the town of Jericho should the town and how should we fund

[28:08] this $200,000 request from the Jericho town library? That would be a public

[28:11] question that we could all debate. >> Get to the language of and then put that

[28:15] final language on the Australian ballot because we were all like, "We don't know

[28:18] what to do." And she's like, "You guys were not sure what to do." And that

[28:21] would have been a thing you could have said in town, hey, what do you want to

[28:23] do? How do you want to phrase this question? And then that question goes on

[28:28] the Australian ballot. >> My question is, do we feel like the

[28:32] people that show up, the quantity of people that show up are representative

[28:36] sample? >> Yeah.

[28:38] » The Yes, that's true. But what I always think of when I think about that is that

[28:46] for 150 years, those people made all the decisions 100% with no input from

[28:53] anybody else. that group of people, which as someone in the meeting that I

[28:57] was in recently said are all the weird people who like enjoy this silly town

[29:01] stuff and are overly involved in all this,

[29:07] all they can do is decide what goes on the Australian ballot. So if my feeling

[29:12] is that like if a 100 people want some topic to be discussed and voted on the

[29:17] Australian ballot, that's enough for me personally be like, "Yep, we'll have

[29:21] that discussion in a public questions meeting." And then that final language,

[29:24] if that body approves it, will then go to the Australian ballot, which the

[29:28] whole town can vote on. >> That the public question would be

[29:31] debated at the budget. >> At the budget review,

[29:35] » budget review. Yeah. >> Yep. Yeah. It would be debated and

[29:38] » the threshold. I mean, I guess we have to talk about it on the agenda, but it

[29:42] should be the threshold should be budget related. Like your example of the

[29:47] Palestinian question, it it doesn't relate to our budget. So,

[29:51] » right. don't have to replace don't have to

[29:54] relate to the budget. >> Should should our threshold be if it's

[29:58] budget related if it's if it's just something that's just a social issue?

[30:03] » Well, if it's budget related, someone can just stand up to the meeting and

[30:06] say, "I want to I'd like to I'd like to I'd like to make an amendment." One

[30:09] person can stand up and make an amendment to the budget and take out

[30:12] $20,000 to whatever. >> Yeah.

[30:14] » But the people at the meeting could decide not to put it on the ballot.

[30:18] Yeah, that's I was going to make that point on your on your point about the

[30:21] library. Like we had already decided like just using that because it's our

[30:25] most recent example. >> Let's say we had said instead of saying

[30:29] » we're going to send this to the ballot, we're going to have the voters decide on

[30:32] the library repair. >> It sounds like what Gay is saying

[30:35] instead of doing that, we should have said let's consider putting this on the

[30:41] ballot and we'll bring it to that that meeting and talk about it. And so if

[30:46] they had said not to put it on the ballot Yeah. like

[30:51] it's hard for me to imagine. So we would have just said, "Okay, then we're just

[30:54] doing it. We're just doing the 200,000." >> No, we would have said

[30:58] » or we're not doing it at all. >> We're not doing it at all.

[31:00] » We're not doing either. Okay. >> We would have said no.

[31:03] Sorry. The the vote the the people at town meeting decided they're not going

[31:06] to fund that. >> Which is scary.

[31:09] » Yeah. But again, we're >> especially if it's something that we the

[31:14] five of us agreed well, >> but we were we were we were

[31:17] » the board agreed the board voted in favor of doing it,

[31:21] » but the board was very we were all over the place what to do with that and we

[31:26] were not we were uncomfortable. I mean, I personally was like, how do I say no?

[31:30] If I say no, we're shutting down the library forever. that I might think

[31:34] that's the right thing to do personally, but that's that's like a huge issue and

[31:38] how do I not say yes? But so I feel like we were very uncomfortable with how that

[31:44] all played out and >> but that's a really interesting example

[31:47] because at the meeting there were a lot of loud voices opposed to it and at the

[31:52] vote it was overwhelmingly that's a really good point.

[31:56] » Yeah, that's a really good point about the representation.

[31:58] » The representation at these meetings. Yeah, that that's a little bit in my

[32:02] opinion that's democracy. And I think that if that language had been on if

[32:07] that had been a public question, the library would have had a lot of people

[32:11] there. I think it would have I think if that

[32:14] was a public question, it would have gone through more easily. There would

[32:18] have been much le to positive comments at that meeting

[32:22] would have been massively skewed the other way.

[32:24] » I don't know. They had a lot of people that they that that came to that meeting

[32:28] that I've never seen at a meeting before >> that were there for that. I think they

[32:33] packed it pretty well. >> I think we also, speaking for myself, I

[32:37] think that we someone I said this a while ago. Um we are the executive

[32:42] branch of the town government and the people are the legislative branch. And I

[32:48] feel like we need to be not so cautious and afraid of asking the legislative

[32:55] branch to do things and approve things that if that if the town if someone

[33:01] packs the the the packs the room on something and it doesn't make it onto

[33:06] the ballot then that's tomorrow. I mean, like I said, like those people, the the

[33:12] few people who show up used to run town meeting, used to make all the decisions,

[33:16] used to add money to the budget, used to defund stuff on the fly, and nobody else

[33:22] had any input at all. So, we are already

[33:27] » lessening the power of that group. But I feel like we if we don't give that group

[33:31] » some real genuine input, then we're just making that meeting. We've kind of

[33:37] neutered town meeting day and made and made that tmri just a fake meeting.

[33:43] » It's a discussion. I Yeah, I guess we should

[33:47] have an agenda item about it because there's

[33:50] I don't agree. I I I hear what you're saying and I know that person told you

[33:54] about the legislative body. I think the point of moving to Australian ballot was

[33:58] because that small group of people who had time to show up on a Tuesday morning

[34:02] » had that time and other people who don't were essentially silent. Sure, if there

[34:09] was something important enough, they could have made arrangements and gotten

[34:13] there. But I thought that I kind of think of that as the whole point of

[34:16] like, you know, you have 150 people passing the budget. Well, and it's it

[34:21] it'd be similar with the library thing or a public question. So, like we're

[34:26] going to decide we're gonna let let's say there's 190 people that go there.

[34:30] So, if a 100 people vote one way or the other, it decides if something

[34:35] disappears from the ballot from the other 2,000 people's ability to say yes

[34:42] or no. I think I don't agree with that. 190 people is a whole lot more than

[34:46] five.

[34:49] » Right now we're the ones >> who decide that. [sighs]

[34:54] » Yeah. >> So now it's just free people can now

[34:57] kill the town library. >> But if we had decided it belongs on the

[35:00] ballot, >> right? I I feel like I feel like the

[35:04] negative, >> right? So So to have a hundred people

[35:06] say no, it doesn't belong in the ballot feels feels wrong.

[35:11] » If who had I hear what you're saying,

[35:17] » but you're saying 100 people is more than five. Let's say the five of us vote

[35:22] on what the Palestinian thing we think it belongs on the ballot.

[35:27] » 100 people out of the 190 decide no, it doesn't. It just disappears from the so

[35:34] you took that you took that choice from the other 2,000 people. But we can we

[35:38] can it to you the pal take it away from the library which is kind of a loaded

[35:42] thing just to the Palestinian. >> If we all felt like the Palestinian

[35:45] thing is really important to this town and we feel like it's important

[35:48] politically and d we can just put stuff on the ballot.

[35:51] » Right. But what you're proposing is we let them take it off.

[35:54] » No. We can No. No. If we think something's important, the five of us,

[35:59] we can put whatever we want on the Australian ballot.

[36:02] » Right. If somebody walks in the door, >> right,

[36:05] » and has something they feel is important and they've got a hundred signatures in

[36:08] this fictitious situation and we're not really one way or the other on it,

[36:14] » then we they've got a 100 signatures, it's important to them, it's not super

[36:17] important to us. They they can bring it to the full town and the full town can

[36:21] decide what the final language will be on the ballot and whether it goes on the

[36:25] ballot or not. But for example, the DEI committee just came to the just came to

[36:29] the three of you and said, "Hey, what's in the ballot?" and you said, "Yep, that

[36:32] makes sense. Let's put on the ball, right?"

[36:34] » And you can still do that. We can still do that,

[36:36] » right? But but so going back to the library thing, you

[36:41] said that Gay thought that we should have brought that to those people. So

[36:47] what exactly was she looking? We have not decided. Well, you made that

[36:51] as a passing comment that that how the how the library thing was laid out, how

[36:56] the decision was made about >> $50,000 per year versus $200,000 all at

[37:01] once and kind of all that stuff. She said

[37:03] » that should have been and this is probably shouldn't quote her in public

[37:06] like yeah probably intend but she was just like that should have been a public

[37:09] question that should have been debated by more than just the board,

[37:13] » right?

[37:16] » But there's no scenario where she's lobbying. I I know we're using this

[37:20] example, but it's really important because

[37:22] » I'm not sure I'm getting it. >> So, if we did that, we brought it

[37:28] forward. What exactly is she looking for us to

[37:32] bring? What should we have done? Should we have said, should this go to the

[37:36] ballot or should this just vote at all or you know what I mean?

[37:40] » I think what she meant was h >> how was it paid?

[37:43] » How is it structured? >> 50 a year for

[37:45] » $20,000 up front. Was it going to be a year before a year or is it

[37:49] » you know I don't I don't know this is a year ago and I don't remember.

[37:52] » So but that so that was one we decided we decided to put that on the ballot.

[37:55] And so what you're saying is >> if we hadn't decided for for a different

[38:01] one for the Palestinian one we're saying blah blah blah.

[38:04] » We say it's not important to us. Doesn't feel like it's something we care about.

[38:07] We're not going to put on the ballot. But if someone gets 100 signatures

[38:10] » then we >> now we'll allow the the meeting people

[38:13] to debate it. >> Okay. And if it if you can get it past

[38:16] those 190 people, then it will get on the Australian ballot will vote.

[38:21] » Okay, so there's that scenario. But walk me through if we had said yes.

[38:24] » Yep. We're putting the Palestinian language on the ballot.

[38:27] » Yep. >> Is that up for debate?

[38:29] » No. >> Okay.

[38:30] » Because we have because we're in charge. >> Well, I think then that

[38:32] » only So only when we say no >> are we suggesting a 100 votes gets

[38:38] brings it to that meeting to be discussed. I guess the I guess the

[38:41] procedure might be if you want the rule to be that everyone in car in in town

[38:45] has to have a pink car, come to us at a meeting, ask us to put it in the ballot

[38:51] and if we say yes, then you're all set. If we say no now, no. But if you get a

[38:57] 100 signatures, then we'll make it a public question that will be debated by

[39:00] the town and the out the final language will come out of that meeting and get

[39:05] voted up or down and then that language will go on the Australian ballot. Even

[39:09] though we think it's a stupid rule, if a hundred of you think it's important to

[39:14] have pink cars, >> then we'll bring it

[39:17] we'll take it from our room to a room full of everybody Yeah.

[39:20] » who can show up and discuss it. And if those people all amend it and find

[39:24] language that they all agree on or enough of them agree on, then it goes to

[39:27] Australian ballot and gets voted up or down.

[39:29] » Are you saying you have to have 50% or more of those people that are at town

[39:33] meeting day then voting on that? Is that your thought or is it like more 60% or

[39:37] is it >> No, we can budget. So

[39:41] » um

[39:44] I'm for the most part other than I >> It's just weird to only do it if the

[39:49] answer is no. I think that you >> we're not giving them power to say

[39:54] you're not putting that pink car thing on the ballot even though you you five

[39:58] wanted that on there. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

[40:00] » I think you say it in a different way. I think like it doesn't have to be

[40:03] something that we've shot down either. It's like if you come to town meeting

[40:07] day reimagined with 100 signatures, you don't have to come to us.

[40:10] » You're allowed to discuss it. >> You can come and you can discuss

[40:12] whatever you want. Well, you need you need to bring a 100 signatures to us

[40:16] ahead of time >> because it needs to be on the agenda for

[40:19] that, >> right?

[40:21] » Someone needs to bring a 100 signatures to us. And if I want that in the easy

[40:25] way, like it'd be great if you guys would just sign up for my pink car idea.

[40:28] » Oh, you don't like it? Okay, no worries. So, I I have a second way to get my my

[40:32] work done. My first thing is I want you guys to agree paint car is the way to

[40:35] go. If you all disagree, okay, that's my first attempt. My second attempt is get

[40:40] a 100 signatures and bring that to you. Now, will you listen to me? I think

[40:43] » well we still disagree but we'll discuss it.

[40:46] » But you you met her. I see. Yeah. >> I I think you should still say it as um

[40:52] we don't have to say no first. Yes. If you come before and get it more like

[40:55] that I almost want to take that out of it entirely. Just like anybody can do

[40:59] this but then we have to really well publicize that

[41:02] » because >> and that's why

[41:05] » because if they're hoping they'll say yes and we don't give them an agenda

[41:07] item till November and then we say no then they've only got

[41:11] » Yeah. They've only got a minute. Exactly.

[41:12] » And that's why I want to get this language settled so that at the open

[41:17] house there can be a table about public questions explaining how public

[41:21] questions get get >> and if they get 250 signatures

[41:25] » then we're our hands are tired. >> So are we getting rid of the 10% section

[41:30] all together? >> We're proposing it. It sounds like we're

[41:32] » I'm not proposing that. That's we we need to we need to have

[41:36] » we need to clean up the 10% like current 10% language is not legal. We need to

[41:40] clean it up and get it into legal format.

[41:43] » Yep. >> The current language defines town

[41:47] business versus not town business, which are not two real things. What it is is

[41:51] things the select board has the power to do and things the people have the power

[41:54] to do. >> Yeah.

[41:58] » So, so much for our short meeting. That's only my first item.

[42:01] » Oh gosh. So, can we So, Laura, D, and Eric, can

[42:06] you guys figure out when to put that on agenda so we can get it settled before

[42:09] the 17th? >> Is there someone in town or some person

[42:15] who can help us? Not that I'm saying we have we need it, but help us navigate

[42:21] the discussion. It was quite informed on this.

[42:24] » Peter's the most informed person we got on it, unfortunately.

[42:27] » Yeah. as a gay

[42:32] » the LT

[42:35] » I mean I think we can do it without that but if there is someone then

[42:39] » I don't I mean >> add more

[42:42] he's retired [laughter]

[42:46] » I can certainly lay it out >> I'm not sure but I mean BLC BLC

[42:50] » no you did a good job understanding that whole within the power of the voters and

[42:54] that like I had no concept of that before that so And the problem with that

[42:58] is that the BLCT says you can't we can't list the all the powers of the voters

[43:03] all the time select board all you can do is

[43:05] » example >> when someone gives you an example give

[43:07] you something go come to us and we'll tell you that in their power or yours.

[43:10] » Yeah. >> What am I signing here?

[43:13] » The list of things. >> Oh.

[43:16] » Okay. The next Peter >> um

[43:23] uh open house roof. Um, Laura, I I comm I've sent an email to all the people who

[43:29] were asking to have tables at open house.

[43:31] » Okay. >> I sent a second email to people who

[43:34] didn't respond to my first email, not naming names, but a few of them are in

[43:38] this room. Um, >> oh, I definitely didn't respond to any

[43:41] of those. >> I read them. I didn't know I was

[43:46] supposed to respond.

[43:49] » The select board will be there. >> The select board will have a table. Um,

[43:54] » oh, I I I didn't realize that was a question. I just I thought you were

[43:58] maybe I was there. Yeah. >> Okay. So,

[44:00] » so those those emails went out. They're coming back with responses which have

[44:03] pretty much all been positive and like, "Yep, we're going to do it."

[44:06] » Um, Laura wrote put together Laura and S Laura Crane and SJ put together

[44:13] um like a second communication document

[44:18] um to kind of lay out in more detail for groups like here's what we're hoping

[44:21] for. And the idea is to explain to groups that it's not just about what do

[44:27] you want, but it's about it's not just about you getting information that you

[44:31] want, but it's also you pitching yourself to the community. Um, so you

[44:35] shouldn't be like, "Oh, we're all set in my committee. We don't need any help."

[44:38] That's not what we're asking you for. We're asking for you what do you what

[44:41] what could what help could you use in your committee, but also how can you

[44:44] reach out and give people information about the fact that you get money in our

[44:48] budget and what do you do with it? that that piece.

[44:51] » Um, so there's my notes right there, which are super super minor. Um,

[44:58] » um, and we're going to start we're going to do front porch forum posts every

[45:02] three or four days starting at the beginning of October about it. Um, I had

[45:07] a question which I've gotten answered through front porch forum. Town party is

[45:10] canceled. >> So I don't know what that's all. Do you

[45:12] know what that's about, Laura? Why do you know what it is? Part

[45:15] » I just saw I just saw it on front porch forum. says because I couldn't find a

[45:18] date that worked for the the board that was setting it up. So that worked. So

[45:22] » okay, that's a bummer. >> Um TMRI committee met in January. No,

[45:28] I'm sorry. Met and has chosen January 23rd as the date for the budget review

[45:34] meeting and the public questions meeting. Um we talked about I brought

[45:40] back the Saturday idea to them and they were like, "Okay, great. It's Saturday."

[45:45] Um so that's settled. Um >> the Saturday and then the

[45:50] » Saturday >> Saturday budget then break then

[45:53] » yes public questions. >> Public questions. Yep.

[45:55] » Cool. >> And we need to iron out the details of

[45:58] like okay public questions begin at this time. What if the meeting goes long? How

[46:03] do we shorten the meeting to make it tighter?

[46:05] » Yeah. >> Um etc. etc. And so related to that is I

[46:10] wanted I think I I think for the TMRI committee we as a board need to figure

[46:15] out our budget schedule. Um

[46:20] has have you thought about that at all yet Eric?

[46:24] » Um Laura and I met earlier this week um

[46:30] maybe yesterday to talk about just kind of introduce her to the budget. Um,

[46:37] and I I think, you know, we kind of agree that I think we've done a little

[46:42] bit better at budget every year and yet I still think that last year we ended up

[46:48] kind of at the end kind of like we got a lot to do. And so, you know, starting it

[46:54] sooner, but then trying to understand from Paula like what when the like when

[47:00] the numbers start coming in like some we could start now, but if we don't have

[47:04] half the numbers that we need to understand that it's not going to be

[47:07] much help. So, um, but I do think we need to start working

[47:12] budget discussions into. So, I think I I think what we need to do

[47:17] is I think we need a an agenda item for next next meeting that says what does

[47:24] the rest of the year look like as far as budget and then maybe we from there we

[47:30] um you know I think during that agenda item

[47:34] we'll talk about what's the format, how do we want to think about it. Um, you

[47:40] know, I I mentioned last year when we started and and I mentioned to Laura and

[47:45] Brian, um, you know, I I find the transfers in and

[47:52] out to be the most confusing and scary like right like so many years we've had

[47:58] the budget all dialed in like oh >> 75 grand we forgot about one way or the

[48:03] other like once sometimes it goes the good way and you're like oh sweet and

[48:08] other times you're like so I think if we start there um at least focus on it

[48:13] early not that it not that it might not change but I think anyway so just

[48:18] talking about what those what those meetings look like and how to how to get

[48:22] that budget structured and ready so that it's

[48:26] you know you because you kind of want to have a budget for them to consider for a

[48:30] little while before they show up at the budget meeting you know and it'd be nice

[48:35] if if we had it out there for a few weeks so people have time to consume it

[48:40] and think about what questions they want to ask and

[48:43] » um >> you know so anyway that's what I think

[48:46] we should do you good with that >> so next meeting we'll

[48:49] » next meeting we'll have a budget >> an agenda item about

[48:54] » the rest of the rest of the year budget >> okay

[48:57] » planning should be is that good you guys >> cool

[49:01] » um in so in the so this is still under TMRI in the name of trying to make that

[49:06] meeting go better. Um, the TMRI committee wants to have a meet wants to

[49:12] have a meeting with you, Eric, and um, maybe one other person from the board

[49:20] and like one or two people from the probably Dave and Gay, the Baron and Gay

[49:24] from the TMRI committee to sort of talk about what I think of as the lesson

[49:27] plan. So, like meeting starts at 9:00 am. We want to do this first, then this,

[49:34] then this, and what's the flow going to be and sort of what are what are some of

[49:37] the hiccups that we anticipate and how are we going to agree to deal with those

[49:40] things along the way just to get the board and the TMRI committee's ducks

[49:46] sort of lined up on the same page about what's going to happen that day.

[49:50] » They're trying to control me a little bit better. That makes sense.

[49:53] » Uh, I I agree with that. It's a good strategy.

[49:56] » That's what they're doing, but Um,

[50:00] in more TMRI information is the parameters for budget changes. Last year

[50:07] we set it at 33 or $36,000 was the limit of the

[50:11] » We did it based on >> We did it based on the size of the

[50:15] budget, >> right?

[50:16] » Or of the >> proposed part of the budget,

[50:20] » right? Exa Exactly. Right. >> Right.

[50:22] um uh they've gotten a lot of feedback that

[50:26] that made people angry and made people feel like there's no point in coming to

[50:30] this. So, we need to talk I told them that we would talk about that we would

[50:33] talk about that about what the parameters for the budget conversation

[50:36] are going to be. >> Yeah.

[50:38] » Um so, that's it for the TMRI stuff. Are there any questions on those things

[50:43] before I go to my next thing?

[50:49] » You thinking you're thinking? I am thinking um yes there was

[50:55] people who did not like that limit and yet there were people who did not like

[50:59] that the previous year so much money had been spent on the fly or committed on

[51:05] the fly for those >> right we were trying to balance those

[51:08] two things we we came up with those numbers

[51:11] » there has to be something I think >> I agree what if I mean I think you

[51:15] should still have something like a limit but then it has to go to Australian

[51:18] ballot like okay yeah if you want $100,000 to for whatever,

[51:23] » but now we can we can say that. Yes. But now it's going to be on

[51:26] » we had that we had we we just had three other we had two other numbers too.

[51:30] » But yeah, it's maybe that we just I know we had the whole whatever. I forget

[51:34] exactly what they were. But >> so maybe we didn't hit the sweet spot

[51:37] with that big hitter, but >> Well, and they just they also just

[51:40] didn't understand it. I just did I just don't think I piece

[51:43] » they thought they thought I was saying that if the budget item was more than

[51:46] 33,000 we couldn't talk about it which I don't know how they got that

[51:50] » that's the other piece is that we need to communicate all the information about

[51:54] town meeting about that discussion before well before the discussion so

[51:59] that everyone's on boards with TMRI people as they're doing all their

[52:02] promotional stuff they can include that information so it's not a surprise the

[52:06] night of >> Yep.

[52:09] Um, okay. So, that's it for TMRI. Nothing.

[52:13] That's We're good. >> I'm good.

[52:15] » Okay. Um, Eric, we need to schedule our radio show.

[52:19] » Yes. >> Be so good.

[52:22] » I'm so excited. >> So excited that afterward after the

[52:25] meeting? >> Yeah.

[52:27] » Okay. Um, have we announced Laura Durham on Front Punch Forum?

[52:31] » No, I will do that. I should have earlier. I didn't. I will.

[52:37] » So, you got to do that. No. You have a front account.

[52:40] » She does. >> Excellent.

[52:42] » The first thing I text her and like I'm sure five people had already told her,

[52:47] "You're gonna you're gonna want to tap into this. Just [laughter]

[52:52] » maybe lurk on Facebook. >> Yeah. Yeah. Maybe a couple.

[52:56] » Don't go to Fit. Don't go to F. >> Don't go to Yeah, but you hear the

[52:59] chatter. >> I know. Just skip it all together.

[53:02] » I just just Nothing good happens at all. >> Okay. um local options t tax we talked

[53:07] about and sort of said like oh yeah let's look into this. We want to look we

[53:11] want to >> we should decide right now if that's

[53:14] something we want to consider for this year or not.

[53:18] » I think we shouldn't I think we shouldn't decide that right this second.

[53:20] which put on >> I think I'm deciding if we want to

[53:23] decide I'm deciding if we want to put that on the consider if we want to

[53:26] consider >> I do I'll go out and say like I would

[53:28] love to warn that and and have a real conversation about it with

[53:32] » so would I >> okay me too

[53:35] » great you got three >> October

[53:38] » beautiful it's going to be a busy one >> October

[53:41] » maybe like second week of October or second uh meeting of October

[53:45] » okay >> when we do that if it's possible to get

[53:47] like how much revenue estimated If that's like

[53:51] » you got to Google it like like because it's all Amazon like how many Amazon

[53:55] sales are like >> you can call you can we can someone can

[53:58] come I don't know if it's Laura or me or somebody can call the tax department

[54:03] » and they can give you estimates. >> Yeah.

[54:05] » Yeah. Okay. That would be great to have. >> Yeah. Exactly.

[54:08] » Right. If [clears throat] it's only going to raise six grand upset people

[54:11] that's probably >> we're not into it.

[54:12] » Yeah. Um, and then these are, as I was going

[54:17] through meetings, I said three follow-up questions, which of course aren't

[54:20] follow-ups for you because you weren't here, but and I'm sorry, I'm guessing

[54:24] you'll have no answer to these because you shouldn't, but if you could just

[54:27] kind of your radar, Bernie, um, Pocket had asked us to talk to VR about

[54:35] guidance on traffic calming. >> Um,

[54:38] » we did reach out, um, and we're waiting to hear back. Um, so the the contact

[54:43] that we have Daniel something uh is putting us is is trying to connect us

[54:49] with a regional planner. Um, so we're waiting to hear back. So all followed up

[54:54] again I think Tuesday and got the response that

[54:58] » is a regional planner like the CCRPC like Chitten County Regional Planning

[55:03] Commission. >> No, with V trans. So, um, this was her

[55:06] contact cuz the his followup was to, um, request to Bernie's request was for us

[55:12] to reach out to VR, which we did, and they have a regional contact.

[55:17] » Vans has their own regional group. Okay. >> But we have not connected yet.

[55:21] » Okay. Awesome. Um, Paula was going to look at all of our

[55:26] emails and figure out which ones can be de deactivated.

[55:31] We did get a list from and we're actually meeting with them tomorrow

[55:35] morning with it. Um, so we should be able to have

[55:37] » with the tech group people. It looked like all of them were active. That's

[55:42] probably a good head start to making sure that anyone who needs to be rolled

[55:46] off to to the earlier point like all these people if they have access to

[55:50] anything else besides just to >> it. I would be careful about thinking

[55:54] that they're active because like I'm the JCDC the Jericho

[55:58] » community >> corporation community develop

[56:00] corporation chair and I don't use that email. I've gotten a couple emails and I

[56:03] ignore them and because they're because they're proforma stuff and so I was

[56:07] thinking it might be worth just sending an email unless it's unless they can see

[56:10] like no no this planning commission chair has 8,000 emails in the last week

[56:14] but if there's any that look like they're sparse.

[56:18] Um

[56:21] and then oh and this is file this under super minor and no one probably cares.

[56:27] Um Paul was going to look into getting our

[56:32] town website to be.gov rather than.org because our emails are all.gov and our

[56:38] website is.org. >> Yeah. And you see like Yep. All and

[56:42] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> You got it. And but once we do that,

[56:45] we'll have to change all of our letterhead as well.

[56:48] » Everything. So, >> um, will we

[56:53] I will see what more I can learn when because I did watch I think they came up

[56:57] at the last meeting and and she and I talked about it. The current provider

[57:01] for our website >> um did it

[57:06] » plus uh it'sorg so we can have a discussion

[57:11] and um I think we I was trying to figure out if we still own the.gov. We do

[57:17] because right when you type in.gov it goes through that

[57:21] » right. >> Um

[57:22] » so that's part of the civic >> that was her understanding. So weird

[57:27] » like you get aorg of discussion. >> I'd be surprised by that. Yeah.

[57:35] » I don't know much about domain name stuff to be honest. I I I just don't I

[57:40] just think this is >> I get that it's an anomaly, but it

[57:45] should be pretty far down on the priority list of things to worry about.

[57:48] » We want consistency. We need consistency.

[57:51] » Yeah. >> So, probably paying for two domains if

[57:54] if one links to the other. >> Although, you still will be.

[57:58] » Yeah. Yeah. >> It's just the other way.

[58:00] » Yeah. >> Okay. That's all I got. That's it.

[58:02] » That's it. >> Nothing. Yep.

[58:05] » Thank you. You've been working hard. Laura

[58:08] » um >> LC

[58:10] » LC I have very little um the tech policy I was going to work on some of the

[58:16] feedback I got from last meeting and I did not do it and I have no good excuse

[58:20] other than I needed a break from the topic [laughter] um and I was working on

[58:26] other town things. How's that? Um, but I got a email from a resident who asked

[58:32] for an update to the Jericho towns people about the red mill and I

[58:37] forwarded it to Laura D Paula, but I didn't understand the context of the

[58:42] question if anyone has old red mill. >> Well, I I don't mean what is the update

[58:49] that we might get. I wonder if that's related to you guys remember town

[58:53] meeting day in 23 uh where we like stopped funding for

[58:59] like there was a fiveyear funding we did one year

[59:02] » an exemption >> yeah that's it about the big old

[59:05] concrete things are still there and it junky

[59:08] » I mean there's there's three things right exactly there's there's one thing

[59:12] where the year that I ran so I started paying more attention of course um

[59:18] that's the year that We passed a um whatever you call it a tax a tax

[59:26] thing to to every every year for whatever 10 years or 15 years we're

[59:31] going to give them $1876 or whatever >> $100

[59:36] or whatever. There's a there's a line in your tax

[59:39] » $18,000 $18,65, right?

[59:42] » For 1865, the year they were incorporated or whatever, right?

[59:45] » A tax. We're going to give them $18,000 a year for 10 years.

[59:49] » Yep. So So that's on everybody's tax bill. So they they may be asking for

[59:53] that reason. Two, we basically immediately spent all of

[59:58] that money um to work with engineering firms to shore up the wall. and the town

[1:00:04] was involved for reasons that are really really really confusing. Um, and I just

[1:00:10] don't think I don't think anybody knew. I think I

[1:00:14] stayed confused, but I'm not sure anybody really understands why the

[1:00:17] town's doing it when we don't own that building.

[1:00:20] » Katherine McMain does aside she explained it to me once. I was like,

[1:00:24] "What?" Like, >> yeah, but she's explained it to me

[1:00:26] probably 10 times and I still don't get it. Um, it doesn't mean it's not

[1:00:30] » the Historical Society. >> Yeah. or is it your own thing?

[1:00:33] » But so we were involved in the project for a couple re I know a few of the

[1:00:37] reasons. We can get grants easier. We we're a municipality. We have a

[1:00:41] relationship with the state and with some of the so like there's been a bunch

[1:00:46] of stuff done there. And so Mike, it could be about that or that that repair

[1:00:52] work. >> Yeah.

[1:00:53] » That engineering work which which just kept ballooning right every time. All

[1:00:56] right, we'll put this out to bid. Well, none of the biders want to do it unless

[1:01:00] you also do this other huge gigantic thing. Okay, so we've got to figure that

[1:01:04] in and then you Anyway, so there's that whole thing that basically a lot of

[1:01:10] really good effort has gone in but nothing has happened. So they might be

[1:01:12] asking about that or they might be asking about the tax exempt thing where

[1:01:16] in meeting of 23 there was a floor vote. It was just one of the typically they're

[1:01:23] prefuncter kind of things like shall the churches be exempt shall sell us such

[1:01:29] and such. So and so somebody said well I don't know if we want to exempt them and

[1:01:34] we made a we made a >> did one year instead of five or

[1:01:38] whatever. So those are the three things that come to mind as far as I know.

[1:01:42] » I I can't remember but I assume that they do something for the town report

[1:01:45] every year right? >> I guess though they might they might put

[1:01:49] something in there. I don't know. So, well, maybe I'll just ask the person

[1:01:52] what kind of update they were asking about.

[1:01:54] » They ask for kind of a generic update. >> But it should be it shouldn't be us,

[1:01:58] though. It really should be the historical society.

[1:02:00] » Okay. >> Unless they want to know what we're

[1:02:03] doing with the money we collected from them. I feel like we owe them that

[1:02:05] answer. But, um, >> do you do you want me to follow up with

[1:02:08] her or do you do you want >> We can follow up with her.

[1:02:10] » Just say what what are the kinds of things you're looking for? Okay.

[1:02:13] » Yeah, >> those are my guesses. Could be something

[1:02:16] completely different. guesses. Yeah, >> it was 20 just quickly Google. It was

[1:02:21] 2021 that we started at 18,000 and change. So, it's only going to be gone

[1:02:26] in 5 years. >> That's true.

[1:02:31] » Oh, that reminds me. We have to do another um select board newsletter.

[1:02:36] So, why don't I pull some stuff from the uh minutes and then you all can add to

[1:02:41] it. >> Great.

[1:02:42] » What you're going to want to do is listen to Peter and I's radio show. that

[1:02:46] you're going to it and then it's all done.

[1:02:49] » As long as we're doing a newsletter

[1:02:54] [laughter]

[1:02:58] responsible for pulling it together.

[1:03:04] » I don't I don't have any updates. I do have an executive session topic. Um but

[1:03:10] I don't think I have any updates. Um,

[1:03:16] oh, did we remove the wastewater updates from that?

[1:03:20] » We did. >> I was in charge of this agenda, too.

[1:03:24] » Where's Paul when you need it? >> I know.

[1:03:29] » I did have a So, I'll give a wastewater update. Uh, I did have I did connect

[1:03:33] with Kate yesterday just because we haven't connected in a while. Um, we're

[1:03:38] we're giving DNK feedback on what we want the parameters to look like for the

[1:03:46] 90% per. They they have sent that to them. They haven't heard back, but they

[1:03:51] think that's just due to some scheduling stuff. Um,

[1:03:55] so I'm still hoping that we have the 90% per for our next meeting, which is the

[1:04:00] Monday the 20some, 21st maybe. No, I think it's

[1:04:05] Isn't it sooner than that? >> No,

[1:04:08] Monday the 21st is the next meeting. Um, I don't know that we'll have it, but I

[1:04:14] I'm holding out hope that we do >> because I think we need it. Um,

[1:04:19] but yeah, things are going things are going well there. Lot to decide once we

[1:04:24] get that 90%. So, that's all I have. Amy,

[1:04:28] » uh, nothing major. I have one thing for ES. Um, but you sparked my mind. we

[1:04:34] should sit down and talk about the uh the town report and just

[1:04:39] making it look pretty for this year and and continuing on with that. So, I I'll

[1:04:44] put a pin in that to just shoot you an email.

[1:04:46] » Um good. That's it for me. >> Laura,

[1:04:52] » um I appreciate I still would like to, you know, continue to meet with and just

[1:04:59] keep learning. So connect with me, get me information. Paula has been

[1:05:05] incredible. I've been consuming a lot meeting

[1:05:10] » so that I can be as responsive as I can. Um and also um really getting to know

[1:05:17] some of the other um committee members and um regulars that come to the

[1:05:23] meeting. So listening, I'm certainly welcome to meeting our uh community

[1:05:29] members and um keep it up when anytime you're going to the farmers market. I I

[1:05:35] know there's only a little bit of time left, but want to make sure I'm just uh

[1:05:38] connecting as much as possible and and reaching out and getting to know

[1:05:44] as much as I can. You relatively quick. >> You have the list of when we're all

[1:05:47] going to be at farmers market. >> I was gonna say when's the next one?

[1:05:50] » Uh it must be next week. I think >> the 24th I thought.

[1:05:53] » Okay, two more weeks. >> Oh, September.

[1:05:56] » Uhhuh. >> I think that's me.

[1:05:58] » Yeah, it is you. Let me I'll I'll bring it up.

[1:06:01] » Is it just me or is it me and then somebody else?

[1:06:03] » I feel like you did a double one time and I forget when that was

[1:06:08] » probably shouldn't be that day because I think you have JCDC that night that

[1:06:12] you're the chair of. >> Yeah,

[1:06:14] » I'm bringing it up right now. September 24th. Peter Peter.

[1:06:18] » Yeah. >> And it goes till what? 6:30. Uh yeah,

[1:06:22] you start breaking down at >> 6:30.

[1:06:25] » 6:30. Yeah, >> I was driving out of the parking lot at

[1:06:28] 6:33. >> Yeah, it does not take long to break

[1:06:31] down. >> I think I can do a lot of towns.

[1:06:34] » I did not bring my calendar, so I'll let you know.

[1:06:36] » Oh, okay. >> December 24th. I could come and close

[1:06:39] that down. >> That would be great.

[1:06:41] » Do the whatever it is. 4:30 to 7, >> right?

[1:06:46] » I mean, JCDC starts at 6:30. It's fine. I can I can start it. roll in 6:45 if

[1:06:53] you want. >> I don't mind.

[1:06:55] » We'll figure it out. She'll >> know. We'll figure it out. The other

[1:06:58] thing I wanted to ask about just in terms of I think sounds like we're

[1:07:02] agenda's pass two or three meetings, but I want to not lose track of um the

[1:07:08] impact fees. I really like the suggestions that Chuck made at the last

[1:07:12] meeting about impact fees and how to um make them progressively funded rather

[1:07:17] than just regressively flat amounts. So, I like that idea to talk about that.

[1:07:21] » Yep. Okay. >> That's good.

[1:07:28] » All right. Um, next on the agenda is approve the meeting minutes of August

[1:07:33] 20th. >> I had one thing.

[1:07:41] » So, the way this works, I think, do you know this works, Laura?

[1:07:46] » Sorry, I'm not following. >> Sorry, Laura Durham.

[1:07:49] » Okay. I think we I think we make I think we make a we make changes to this and

[1:07:53] then you write them down and then >> send it to Donna or

[1:07:59] » I don't know how it works. >> You're gonna you're going to write down

[1:08:01] the changes and then you're going to ask Paula and Paula will tell you what

[1:08:04] » Okay. >> Yeah. So yeah, you do have to kind of I

[1:08:07] don't know what the best way for you to want to do this is but

[1:08:09] » I think she I think I think generally Paula writes down the line we're talking

[1:08:13] about and then like writes down word for word what we say. Yeah.

[1:08:16] » So on line 374

[1:08:21] um the previous sentence begins it was brought up that if we use the two

[1:08:25] biggest sites which are also the least expensive comma and I want to after it

[1:08:30] says least expensive I want to add at a gallon at a dollars per gall sorry are

[1:08:37] the least expensive in terms of dollars per gallon

[1:08:44] because they aren't the least expensive They're the most expensive, but they're

[1:08:47] the least expensive, dollars per gallon.

[1:08:53] And then on line 376, it in the middle of the sentence, it

[1:08:59] says it costs less to develop. And I want to say it costs less in dollars per

[1:09:04] gallon to develop more capacity initially.

[1:09:13] And then the last thing was on line 402.

[1:09:18] Um in parentheses in the previous line it

[1:09:21] says though he is not sure we can even ask him to be there. It should be them

[1:09:27] to be there.

[1:09:34] » That's all I had.

[1:09:42] All right. I make a motion to approve the meeting minutes as amended for

[1:09:47] August 20th. >> I second that.

[1:09:51] » All those in favor say I. >> I.

[1:09:53] » I. >> I'd like to make a motion going to

[1:09:55] executive session for the purposes of real estate and personnel because

[1:10:01] premature disclosure of that information would be detrimental for the parties

[1:10:04] involved. And I would like to take a moment and think about Paula Holstein

[1:10:08] Holstein and invite Lauren Durham. >> I second the motion.

[1:10:12] » All those in favor say I. >> I. Good night everybody.

[1:10:17] [laughter] >> Quickly before I go, there's no um

[1:10:19] warrants tonight. >> You didn't mention sign.

[1:10:25] » Thank you. Yeah. Good night.

Jericho Selectboard 9-3-2026

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