[0:00] come to realize that unless we're willing to give up the modern

[0:04] technology, somebody's got to provide that for us

[0:08] and are we going to send it out of the US and most people are scared of those

[0:14] possibilities. >> Mhm.

[0:15] » But yet, uh this [snorts] is a tough one to solve.

[0:19] » And and we've got I think we've got 15 data centers in the state right now with

[0:24] need of that much more. If we quit using the technology, we wouldn't need it.

[0:31] [snorts] But we bring in a lot. I mean, our population, look at your little

[0:36] town. How many people have you increased? And have we brought the

[0:39] infrastructure along with it? So, all in due time, I mean, you guys are doing it

[0:45] right. And we were talking about, you know, the importance of planning for all

[0:49] of this stuff. And we we go we a lot of times we we build hopefully for the

[0:57] future and we have to bond in that but we don't go into debt to the point where

[1:00] you know we can't see ourselves getting out of it. But if we don't have that

[1:03] foresight our grandkids, our great grandkids will have to go someplace else

[1:08] to live and and you guys are tasked to have that vision. So

[1:12] » thanks. >> Thank you, [snorts]

[1:15] » Senator. Thanks for being here. Really appreciate you. Um I've worked with you

[1:19] on several things so thank you. Uh one formal request as um this came city

[1:26] council with respect any time when um our opportunity to govern for our

[1:32] community comes up will you please protect our right to do that. That's

[1:35] just I'm just asking that is with with all respect available.

[1:40] I think in my body there's only like four of us that have served either

[1:46] county or a city and so when you harp on it you feel like

[1:51] beating a dead horse but they need to understand there's a cost to it.

[1:55] » We appreciate you harping on it. Thank you.

[1:58] Anything else? Um I appreciate Senator Winton coming tonight and we'd welcome

[2:02] you any night and love to have you. Uh, next item on the agenda is approval

[2:08] of the August 11th um, 2026 city council meeting minutes. Comments, questions,

[2:13] concerns.

[2:18] » I would entertain a motion. >> I'll make a motion that we approve the

[2:22] Chem City Council meeting minutes from August 11th, 2026 as written.

[2:29] » I'll second that. >> Have a motion in a second. Is there any

[2:32] are there any f further questions? All in favor? I

[2:37] » opposed. That's unanimous. Next item on the agenda is the approval of the

[2:42] invoice register dated September 3rd, 2026. Questions, comments, concerns? If

[2:49] you ask question, would you please reference the page number? So hopefully

[2:53] we can follow along. >> Hey Dave, curious. Did uh Trina get that

[2:57] check? >> Yes, she did.

[2:59] » Okay. >> Yes.

[3:01] » Which is very much appreciated. Do you know what they're doing with it?

[3:06] » I think what they are doing with it. I shouldn't speak for them. Why am I

[3:10] speaking for them? Um, so what? Check. >> Let's talk about So everybody's on the

[3:16] same page. >> What? 30,000.

[3:18] What page are we on? >> Uh, yeah, I just saw it. There's one

[3:22] there's a check written to American Legion uh auxiliary and it's for the

[3:27] Fiesta Days. Um, it says Fiesta Day's fundraiser or something. Charity charity

[3:35] there. [clears throat] Okay. What page are we on? Page three.

[3:38] » Page three. Okay. >> So, just and just so everybody's aware

[3:42] is what happened was uh Indian Motorcycles sponsored the ride. The

[3:47] money that I didn't spend for the event left $230. And we verified uh Kim

[3:54] verified with the auditor that it was okay to take that money and donate it

[3:59] towards the same causes that I'm working on. So Kim got the check written to you

[4:04] and then I also want to have another cash donation to bring Trina as well. So

[4:08] » that's great. >> So that's good.

[4:10] » I try to do that a little bit every year just to help out the veterans along with

[4:13] the primary children. So, >> so what I think they're going to be

[4:16] doing with that is they are uh kind of a a lottery system where they are getting

[4:23] people to uh suggest a veteran. They may not be able to afford a brick on their

[4:29] own >> and they'll buy the brick for that and

[4:31] they've identified you guys as the uh as the donors for this. So,

[4:37] » and yeah, that's that's all I wanted was or that's what I was hoping was those

[4:43] that can't afford it or are not aware of it that this money will help continue to

[4:47] put bricks down with names on it. So, good.

[4:51] » Okay. Thank you. >> Thanks, Larry.

[4:54] » Other comments, Lesie. >> Just a couple. Uh, page one.

[4:58] » Yes. >> Last line item. Sell Summit Fire

[5:01] Protection. Did I didn't look back at my last invoice register. Did we pay this

[5:05] last time, Kim? Or were there two or was that the fire department and they're

[5:09] separate? >> We had them come another time to do our

[5:12] building exposures. >> Oh, that might

[5:16] » This is This says Fiesta Day's EMS coverage. So,

[5:20] » this is a different invoice. >> We haven't since last year.

[5:24] » Okay. Maybe it was fire or something. >> Fire, but Trevor's right. There is

[5:29] another one for that company on here. >> Okay.

[5:34] And last time was Fiesta extinguishers. This time it was to fix the ones here in

[5:39] the city hall. >> Great fire and security.

[5:45] » And then I just noticed a couple of grants on here for police radio. So

[5:50] whomever is responsible for applying for those grants. Thank you.

[5:53] » That would be Brad. Yep. >> Thank you, Brad. I appreciate that. I

[5:57] like to see Grant on here with an expense.

[6:01] and the Thrillshare media. This is on page five. That's the website.

[6:09] And then just a couple of others. The high quality cleaning. Is that just like

[6:13] a deep clean of two of our buildings? >> The windows.

[6:17] » The windows. >> Thank you.

[6:24] [snorts] >> I I guess I I'll ask the question. Rocky

[6:28] Mountain Power. There is the uh >> would you reference a page?

[6:32] » Yeah. What page are we am I on? Uh page one.

[6:35] » Oh, [laughter] we're first hang first of all. Lesie, did you have Sorry. No, that

[6:40] was everything. You have [clears throat] it was everything. Okay, Dave. Page one.

[6:43] Thank you. >> Page one. City Hall EV charger. Uh

[6:47] probably says parks for $212. Uh Scott, did you put this together?

[6:52] » I did. >> All right, cool. Tell us what we're

[6:54] looking at. >> What's that?

[6:56] » I didn't put that in the department report.

[6:58] » Oh, you were? Okay. I I will wait until the department report.

[7:02] » You okay to cover it then, Dave? >> Yep.

[7:03] » Okay. >> All right.

[7:08] » Any other questions on the invoice register?

[7:11] If not, I would entertain a motion. >> Okay. I'll make a motion that we approve

[7:15] the invoice register dated September 3rd, 2026.

[7:19] » I'll second. Have >> a motion and a second. Is there any

[7:23] further discussion? >> All in favor? I

[7:27] » I >> opposed.

[7:28] » It's unanimous. Next item on the agenda is public

[7:32] comment. This is the public's opportunity to comment on items that are

[7:36] not on the agenda. So, if you have a comment, please come to the podium,

[7:40] state your name for the record, and present your comment. If you would be,

[7:44] please be courteous of uh your with your time and anyone else that has a comment,

[7:49] that would be appreciated. So, public comment is open.

[7:56] Seeing nobody rushed to the podium since they're not here, um I will close public

[8:02] comment

[8:06] and we'll move on to the next item. Next item is a possible resolution. What

[8:12] number would that be, Kim? If

[8:17] » 2026-06

[8:20] » 2026-06,

[8:23] a resolution authorizing an authorizing an employer pickup of employee

[8:28] retirement contributions. So, um I'm I'm sure you've all seen the

[8:34] documentation in the Dropbox and what that talks about is the unique situation

[8:42] um with the tier 2 public safety retirement system and how that applies

[8:47] to our new employee and the um required contribution from the city and the

[8:53] leftover remaining amount. And if you have read through that, you understand

[8:58] that the city's required to pay 14% Um the total cost is 19.98%.

[9:05] So the question before you tonight and I guess my request is is that the city

[9:10] cover the 5.98% for our new employee and um recognize

[9:17] that she is kind of the succession plan and she is she is um not paid as much as

[9:24] she could possibly be paid in some other areas and that we cover this for her to

[9:28] help compensate uh for her uh being an officer in our city. Having said that,

[9:34] um I will open it up for comment or discussion from the council.

[9:43] » I can speak first. Sure. I um I was happy to reach out to Matt cuz I didn't

[9:49] understand what this was and so I he explained it to me and it sounds to me

[9:54] like we pay this on behalf of we pay full

[10:01] contributions on behalf of all of our other employees. So I'm not sure why we

[10:05] wouldn't do it for the latest one that we hired. And so I am in favor of this

[10:13] proposal. >> Um I will mention that this tier 2

[10:18] public safety is unique in that this amount is asked for or the city um is

[10:25] only required to cover a portion of it. It's the only position that we have that

[10:30] it's that way this tier 2. And so I'm not totally

[10:35] sure I understand the logic behind that but that's the case. So thank you

[10:38] Wesley. The other comments >> you're saying that in the tier one and

[10:42] all other employees there is no option. We're paying all of the all of the

[10:47] pension costs. >> That is correct.

[10:49] » Okay. All right. It's just this tier 2 >> public.

[10:53] Okay. All right. >> Yes, that's correct.

[10:55] » I looked at it. It's uh the budget impacts pretty dimminimous.

[10:59] » Yeah. What's the monetary amount >> like as we start out right now? What's

[11:03] it? >> Um, it's it's about $130 a a month.

[11:08] Well, >> it's about six Yeah, about$130 a pay

[11:13] period. So, >> yeah,

[11:14] » it's it's $3,000 a year. >> Um

[11:18] something in that neighborhood. And I >> I I feel like um

[11:24] if we value uh that new employee, then this doesn't

[11:29] feel like something that should hang that up.

[11:37] seems like a pretty insignificant amount to me. So, I'm good with it.

[11:44] It feels like we're just putting her on an equitable basis with the rest of the

[11:49] employees. So, I'm good with this. >> Is this a plan that she would pick or is

[11:56] it like a fund that she picks or is it just specifically for public safety?

[12:02] So, go ahead. Tier 2 has some unique differences from tier one. Um, tier 2

[12:11] has a couple of different ways that employees can choose. One of them is a

[12:15] hybrid where there's a piece of a pension and a piece of a 401k and then

[12:19] there and then there's a plan that's just 401k. And I'm not probably up on it

[12:24] as much as Kim on the differences. Um but but if you were a tier 2 public

[12:31] public works employee, you wouldn't have this requirement because you would be in

[12:34] the regular retirement version instead of the public safety version. And so so

[12:40] it's again unique to just that one position that we have right now.

[12:45] » So it's not like a like a fund that she can choose this um I don't know like

[12:51] with the school you could choose which funds to to invest in. It's nothing that

[12:56] way. It's >> It's not the breakdowns employee or URS

[13:01] person. That's what she gets, right? >> It's not a breakdown of the 401k

[13:05] options. I think that's what you're describing. It's not that. It's the It's

[13:09] the actual pension retirement system itself.

[13:12] » Okay. >> So, any other police officer that we

[13:14] hire would get the same thing >> over if they're in tier two?

[13:19] » Yes. And we currently have one in tier one, two that are retired and not um

[13:26] involved in the retirement contribution, although there are some benefit

[13:30] contributions too. So one in tier one and this one in tier 2.

[13:37] » Okay.

[13:42] » Uh hearing no more comments, I would entertain a motion.

[13:47] Just one thing on the resolution that we have. It talks about the KA city council

[13:53] um approves a city administrator and the mayor authorized to undertake all the

[13:58] necessary actions. Who would we be? Who's the city administrator?

[14:04] » The mayor. >> So we could take out the city

[14:07] administrator and have mayor. >> Yes. Okay.

[14:13] So, if a motion's made, would you include that correction in the

[14:16] resolution? >> Yes.

[14:20] » I'll make a motion that we pass resolution number 2026-06

[14:25] with one change in the now therefore paragraph. We're going to delete the

[14:31] words city administrator and

[14:36] » I'll second that. >> All right. I have a motion in a second.

[14:40] Is there any further discussion? Larry,

[14:44] » yes. >> Mike,

[14:46] » yes. >> Lesie,

[14:48] » yes. >> David,

[14:50] » yes. >> Monica,

[14:52] » yes. >> Thank you. That's great.

[14:55] Okay. Next item on the agenda is the discussion to establish a municipal

[14:59] water conservation incentive program. um for um maybe your understanding,

[15:08] Senator, I'll tell you what we're kind of looking at doing and and um hoping to

[15:13] um maybe capture what it was brought to our attention that some of the um

[15:19] elderly folks on fixed income struggle to pay water bill and and and struggle

[15:24] to um cover all their costs and end up using um a minimal amount of water year

[15:34] round most of the time. So, we we talked about a way to

[15:40] um we talked away about a way to uh work with those folks

[15:46] to um give them some sort of break on their water rates. There are ways to do

[15:51] that with property taxes, but it requires a lot of administration,

[15:55] requires a lot of um extra work. It requires

[16:00] um it requires submitting some some income levels and some things like that.

[16:06] What this what this um option is intended to do is is is come up with a

[16:13] rate that a a a monthly gallons rate that we believe is low enough that some

[16:20] of those folks could benefit from a credit from the of their water bill if

[16:24] they're less than that many gallons. At >> [clears throat]

[16:26] » least that's that's the direction this conversation is going. And so I don't

[16:31] know if there's anything like that anywhere else you've seen, but we're

[16:34] trying to um we're trying to help not tax our older folks out of their

[16:42] homes and and in a way that's um reasonably simple that doesn't take a

[16:47] lot of administrative time and and and oversight and do it in a in a way that's

[16:52] responsible to the community. So that's the conversation about this particular

[16:56] topic. And tonight we don't vote on anything because we still have to have a

[16:59] public hearing and some of those things. But this is this is a second look at

[17:04] this at this um literature based on um some comments from the last meeting and

[17:11] some corrections from our attorney. So that's what we'll be talking about.

[17:15] So uh I guess everybody reviewed those comments. I had I had um this put in

[17:23] Dropbox with the comments from our attorney so that everybody could see

[17:27] kind of what he was thinking based on the questions we had asked and sent back

[17:30] to him. And so um where would where would you like to

[17:36] start? Right at the top. >> We can start there, but I would like to

[17:41] hear from Kim or someone to see if we've talked to Cassell before we have this

[17:46] discussion. what options are available so that we are not overloading staff

[17:51] with some decision that we we would make.

[17:55] » As far as I know, did you talk to Dory about

[17:57] » I haven't did she didn't she wasn't there today. I I know that um the idea

[18:03] of a some of the other options that were discussed with with the income and stuff

[18:08] creates quite a quite an issue with administrative time and and so I know

[18:13] that there is is a battle there and I think that that um

[18:19] our attorney highlighted that in this that that still needs to happen. As you

[18:23] know, Dory wasn't in today. Um, and we still need to close that loop before we

[18:28] um do anything in a public hearing. Um, as far as as far as that credit,

[18:36] » I think that's a pretty important issue to cover before we really get into the

[18:41] weeds of this because we need to know what we're working with before uh before

[18:46] we jump into this. In my opinion, it'd be nice to have Dory explain what

[18:51] Cassell can do. So we would maybe know how automated

[18:56] it's going to be and how we can filter it and

[19:01] » right because if we can give a credit if it's easier to do a credit every month

[19:05] it's just based upon gallons versus a quarterly credit or whatever we're

[19:09] looking at all a bunch of our decisions and discussion will kind of turn on what

[19:15] she's able to do and what's automatic versus manual

[19:20] review of everything. >> I know we can I we can go down through

[19:26] this if we choose to. My opinion is we veered off from what I thought our

[19:31] original intention was. Um I I can appreciate the fact that we want to

[19:37] promote water conservation, but I don't know that this is in line

[19:42] with helping our elderly as much as we would like. And I don't know what the

[19:48] unintended consequences are of maybe uh the winter months. I mean, picking

[19:54] that right amount of water, we could really get hit hard if we don't do it

[19:58] correctly in the winter. But are we promoting to some people to save 20

[20:03] bucks to burn up their yards, too? I mean, to me, I I don't know. I don't

[20:07] know that we're catching it the right way that booklet that Mike handed out

[20:10] that works with mag. I I know it would be a be hard, but maybe we could work

[20:16] with Craig Vanassel at the senior citizens to to go around and help the

[20:22] seniors that can qualify for that. Maybe go about doing it that way where they

[20:26] can get assistance for different utilities. Correct. And I I mean it

[20:32] wouldn't be easy, but if we had somebody maybe train somebody like Craig or

[20:36] somebody that would help work with the seniors to do that application, I feel

[20:40] like something like that is more in line for

[20:43] what we want to do to help the seniors than um than this. I I I know we can do

[20:50] it for a test run for a year and see uh and you know that would be okay. But

[20:56] again, my opinion is we veered from what our original intentions were with this,

[21:01] which is what I want to do. I want to help the seniors. I want to help those

[21:04] that's lived here forever and, you know, give them a little bit of break. I don't

[21:08] necessarily want to give myself a break cuz I'm not going to be here in the

[21:11] winter, so I'll qualify for it. You know, I I don't know. I'd like to see it

[21:15] melt better just right into to helping the seniors. So, that's kind of my soap

[21:20] box before we get going. I I agree, Larry. And uh and I think we

[21:28] would have to put some guard rails on there because as we as we talked before,

[21:33] just our winter usage would all of a sudden qualify all of these accounts

[21:38] that had no intention of conservation or low income or anything to that effect.

[21:43] It's just the nature of not using any water during the winter. So, we'd have

[21:47] to put some guard rails and say the this is only effective during the summer

[21:51] months or something to that effect. It's for the people that are truly

[21:54] conserving. I did though, and maybe if we do not want to make a decision

[22:01] tonight, I'll take it upon myself. I did look and noticed and I'm going to pass

[22:06] this out to you guys. There is a uh the city of Midvil has a application

[22:15] um has an application where

[22:20] you can get a reduced utility rate if you qualify if you qualify for the

[22:25] property tax reduction as as you know verified by Salt Lake County. So if you

[22:32] can go in there and you don't have to give them your income numbers. you've

[22:36] already given them their you've already given Salt Lake County your income

[22:39] numbers in order to get the property tax abatement already. So, all you'd have to

[22:43] do is just go in there and show them your property tax bill that shows that

[22:47] you've got a reduced um uh circuit breaker or re reduced uh property taxes

[22:54] because of your income level. And so on the front end on the customerf facing

[23:00] this is pretty easy. This is a one-page application, but I will call Midvil and

[23:06] ask them, okay, you've had this in place. It sounds like they they passed

[23:11] this resolution clear back in 2010. Um, and that supports this. They've had this

[23:18] program in place. I'll ask them just how much of an administrative hassle this

[23:22] is, if this is in their in their um opinion if this is worth it or not. Um

[23:30] uh and and see what happens here. Um another thing, and I'm glad the

[23:37] senator's here, uh you know, in my investigation for looking at water rates

[23:42] and stuff like that, I actually noticed something that was actually on the flip

[23:46] side where there was a House Bill 501 which was called water modifications.

[23:51] Um and and Senator Sandal was the sponsor of it on

[23:58] the Senate. It never did pass the Senate. It went to the House. Passed the

[24:02] House. And it was the one where they were saying, "If you're going to get any

[24:06] type of u uh state assistance for any type of water or sewer infrastructure,

[24:12] we expect that your water bills would be 3% of your modified AGI of your

[24:20] constituents." So, it got shot down quite a bit because it was an average

[24:24] and it was um for if it's 3% for the average, that means there's a lot of

[24:30] people that would be probably be paying a whole lot more than that. So, it was a

[24:35] pretty regressive tax, but that's what's coming out of the legislature is is

[24:41] bills like that that are saying you're going to you're going to charge a

[24:45] minimum. So, we were talking about our our rates, our combined rates of 88

[24:52] bucks for water and sewer. Uh would say that uh an income of right around

[24:57] $35,000 is 3% max.

[25:03] And that is, you know, $10,000 less than what the county or the state is allowing

[25:08] for property tax abatements. I think the property tax abatement is at the $45,000

[25:14] level this year. So somewhere in that neighborhood is

[25:18] what I was uh thinking would be would someone would qualify for

[25:25] that here in Cameas. So uh just >> so would it be as easy to qualify as

[25:30] this same letter here like Midvvel's doing?

[25:33] » I don't know. I'm going to check. I mean all the and it is called it's called um

[25:40] application for you reduced utility rates in Midvil City in their website.

[25:45] Okay. And um and they say just bring your property tax bill in and and it

[25:50] shows I seen and it shows that if the county is has reduced your property

[25:57] taxes because you qualified for the state income thresholds then or or as

[26:03] they said if you're in the military actively deployed in the military then

[26:08] you get it too as well. I like that. >> But I will I mean I don't know just how

[26:12] much of administrative hassle this is to Midville.

[26:16] I kind of like I like this because it's I mean it's just something that if one

[26:21] it opens this the applicants um another door for them to have reduced rate on

[26:27] their property taxes maybe they wouldn't have known that plus it's it's pretty

[26:31] streamlined just to bring it into the city and say here you go I mean that

[26:35] takes the work off our end right and it maybe makes them feel a little bit more

[26:39] and they don't feel like they have to give those numbers to people that they

[26:43] might know right they've already looked a little um confidentiality I guess. I

[26:46] don't know. My question is um what does a thousand dollar a,000 gallons a month

[26:52] look like in usage? That's probably really fast, right?

[26:56] » I always like watch my house. So, I have five people I have two women that take

[27:01] baths every day. >> Is this going to be a sexist remark

[27:04] someone? [laughter] >> I just want people to pay attention.

[27:08] » We average 8 to 9,000 gallons a month. >> 8 to 9,000.

[27:11] » And we water I water my lawn every day. I don't have a big yard by any means,

[27:15] but so when I see people that go through 30 to 40,000 gallons a month or more

[27:21] blows my mind. >> Is that my house, Trevor? Sorry.

[27:24] » Oh, [laughter] no. No, that's my house, too.

[27:27] » I guess I guess without without naming name like what what property in the city

[27:32] is >> it's generally people with really big

[27:34] yards that are very lush and green. >> Okay. And then on the flip side, who

[27:39] like what is a low one? Like who? >> A little I mean we'll have people that

[27:42] won't even go through a thousand gallons in the month.

[27:44] » We do have a lot that would >> not a lot but there's definitely a

[27:47] handful that's usually an elderly person that lives alone.

[27:51] » What about in the winter? Does a lot do a lot of people besides those people go

[27:56] down go below a thousand? It definitely drops, but we don't see we see like them

[28:00] people that are going through 50,000 gallons, that falls off a lot. But where

[28:05] we have people run their water through the winter, usually it almost bumps up a

[28:09] little bit cuz the elderly people are going up to two or three,000 gallons as

[28:14] opposed to a thousand >> just cuz their water's running

[28:18] continuously. But generally that number who is in that thousand I keep saying

[28:22] dollars thousandgallon range that doesn't really go up in the winter. So

[28:27] it's those basic those few people. >> Mhm.

[28:30] » Okay. >> We already offer an incentive though for

[28:34] those people who are not in town in the winter, right? So they will run their

[28:38] water. We have a winter rate and we um also have an incentive that says if you

[28:44] leave your water running regardless of being here or not um the allotment goes

[28:49] to 20,000 gallons instead of 15,000 gallons. So there is that incentive.

[28:55] Yes. >> Didn't we eliminate that though?

[28:57] » I thought we did. >> No, it's still in there.

[29:00] » Is it? >> Uh we still have the 20,000 gallons in

[29:03] the winter if because we tell people we'll leave their water on. We still

[29:07] have that in there. Yes. And we still have the winter rate.

[29:09] » What's the one? The travel one or the people that travel like didn't we do

[29:13] away with that one? Maybe. No, it's still there, too. We talked about it,

[29:16] but didn't Okay. >> Yep. It's still there.

[29:20] » In the winter time. I'm I'm I'm having a hard time thinking anybody could use

[29:24] 15,000 gallons for just indoor use or 20,000.

[29:28] » I'm going to give you an example, and Trevor will verify this. So, um, my mom

[29:32] had a leaky toilet. The the inside thing was leaking. It's 39,000 gallons

[29:39] » in the in one month. Well, just one toilet.

[29:42] » Winter winter's good. That's when we find a lot of our

[29:45] » Yeah. >> Yeah. It's It's It's bigger than you

[29:50] think it is. >> Wow.

[29:51] » Yeah. >> Okay.

[29:53] » I had Trevor come look at the meter. We did a bunch of things. She couldn't

[29:57] figure out how come she was using one month like in the winter she's using

[30:00] less than a thousand and all of a sudden we went to 39 or 43,000 gallons. She had

[30:04] this overage. Couldn't understand why. But the the uh the insides of the tank,

[30:11] it was leaking and running and it it just Yeah, it's it's amazing how much it

[30:16] will use. >> So, I'm thinking if we did if just

[30:19] trying to peg a gallon did a thousand and it went up in the winter, we already

[30:24] gave them that credit. I don't know. Just trying to put a gauge

[30:28] on it. Well, from from last from last time we

[30:33] discussed this, the analysis was like there was 88 accounts that used a

[30:38] thousand gallons or less and we were thinking of a $10 credit. So that's 880

[30:44] bucks a month during the winter time. There was 88 accounts that used 1,000

[30:48] gallons or less. >> So that was not very much compared to

[30:52] the 5,000galon. >> Yeah. where

[30:55] » and that hits the general dem demographic of people that

[31:01] we're we are assuming are you know who are on a fixed income are elderly right

[31:07] the whole point is is we don't want to discriminate right but

[31:10] » that's the that's the other side of what Brad has written here is

[31:14] » so but to stay true to what our true purpose was and to alleviate some of

[31:18] this pressure on the on the increase I think I don't know I'm just thinking a

[31:23] thousand would be a great a good number,

[31:28] but we got to see if Cassell could do it. So,

[31:31] there's not many under 500, right? I mean, that's

[31:35] » I don't even know that we read under 500.

[31:38] » They don't they have to hit,000 gallons before we even read.

[31:41] » Yeah. >> From the last time.

[31:43] » I just thinking gallons of milkwise trying to figure at least a thousand

[31:47] gallons of just so

[31:52] great. But if they use 800 this month and 800

[31:56] next month at some point >> the following month it'll say they used

[31:58] a thousand. >> Okay.

[32:05] » So do you want to put this on the on the back burner until we get the answer on

[32:09] Cassell? Would you like to go through it like Larry suggested and and see if

[32:13] there's some things that um >> I don't think we should I mean I just

[32:18] think the time would be better spent if we knew actually what we could and

[32:21] couldn't do. we knew what Cassell's doing and have

[32:25] Dave do more research into that >> that form. I I like that form.

[32:30] » I have no problems calling Midwell and finding out how much of a hassle this is

[32:35] for them. And then maybe Dave, can you also find

[32:39] out from Summit County like how do you know the process for when applying for

[32:45] » I do the real property tax reduction >> and does that meet our needs that we

[32:50] could if that's really what our intent was is to help people who were on a

[32:55] fixed income or >> I do

[32:57] » a lower income. >> So

[32:59] » you know I mean as I think about it it is on household income. So, um the

[33:04] property tax abatement really helps widows or widowers like my mother. Um uh

[33:11] but if you have two two pensions or two social security checks or something like

[33:16] that, then a lot of people uh uh that just barely miss it. Just barely miss

[33:21] it. Um and there would be people that I think qualify, but uh we could uh start

[33:27] with that. I mean, it is a pretty I mean, you have to be pretty transparent

[33:32] with the county. Um, they do try to make it uh as easy as possible to go through

[33:38] that and usually you they they do the income verification pretty quickly. Um,

[33:43] but I would trust that as good enough um for us to be able to offer a re

[33:52] reduction in the utility rate based upon their property tax status.

[34:00] based upon this discussion, I think that's what we were hoping. I mean, I

[34:05] think conserving water is a good option as well. So, I'm not going to throw

[34:10] totally throw that one out, but I think the this conversation started because we

[34:15] were trying to help people who >> needed a reduction in their utility bill

[34:19] because of just income pisses. So my thought is we go down that road a little

[34:26] bit more and if we want to circle back out and have a conservation program of

[34:31] sorts, we can certainly have that discussion as well. But they're two

[34:34] separate things to me. >> Okay, we will Dave, if you'll close that

[34:40] loop. >> Sure, we'll do.

[34:42] » In the meantime, I have a question for you, Senator.

[34:46] years ago, California had a had a bill that capped property tax or property

[34:52] values for for residents as long as they lived in the home once

[34:57] it sold in a reset. So, has the legislature ever considered something

[35:00] like that? And if and if so, what have you seen have been the problems or do

[35:04] you like that or are you willing to to have [clears throat] that conversation?

[35:07] What does that look like? That was probably section 13

[35:11] and we have had that discussion. But then again um when they sell their home

[35:18] who captures the increase and

[35:23] is that subject to family inheritance or capital gains and

[35:28] if so that's another discussion that's has been in the equation. But yeah,

[35:34] we've had those kind of discussions and what you're talking about is how do we

[35:39] encourage responsible water use and then I like the idea that somehow you balance

[35:46] out what the seniors have if it's a a lower rate monthly and then you

[35:56] average it out and then at the end of the year there's a true up. [snorts]

[36:00] We've been trying to talk about what is fair because some people have more usage

[36:07] or more maybe they don't have big yards but they've got a large family and

[36:12] there's a lot of bats. Um somewhere you need to decide

[36:20] where do we think is equal to treat everybody basically the same. And uh the

[36:28] circuit breaker is a good source, but you're right, there's not everybody that

[36:33] can qualify even though they actually do, but if they have any rental income

[36:39] or property investment coming in, that throws them out and yet they're living

[36:44] off from, you know, their retirement. So that's a process too that there was a

[36:51] discussion to do away with circuit breakers gets last year and it failed.

[36:56] So I think we're open to all kinds of

[37:01] suggestions and ideas. Uh but those discussions have gone on for probably

[37:07] the last five or six years trying to figure out

[37:11] I mean property tax was one of the worst things that has happened as far as

[37:17] we don't control the inflation or the uh appraisal of the property and yet

[37:24] property taxes didn't go up. It's just that it's assigned that rate and when

[37:30] your values go up. >> Well, it's just hard when you have um

[37:35] these older folks who who may have paid $15,000 for a home and now their tax

[37:41] liability is $3,000. And >> and their monthly payment for their tax

[37:46] liability is twice what their monthly payment for the mortgage was. And it and

[37:50] it seems unfair. >> I agree with you 100%. And and

[37:56] you know, from the state level, we don't get we don't keep any we don't get the

[38:01] property tax. That's all local. So, we could do a lot of things, but it will

[38:06] come back to to by you guys. So, how do we do that equitably?

[38:13] » So, what I'm hearing you say is if we encourage this, then it gets us on the

[38:16] property tax side and the water rate side. Is that what I'm hearing you say?

[38:23] it because if we encourage them to get the property tax

[38:29] break, then that reduces the amount of property tax we get and

[38:35] we get less in the water rate. Is that what I'm hear? Because that seems like

[38:40] counterproductive to what we're trying to do as well. Just a thought.

[38:45] » Yeah. If you're, you know, if you're looking at [laughter] circuit breaker

[38:48] program, then

[38:58] you're leaving out some people that should be there, but paperwork wise, the

[39:04] county's already done a lot of the work for you. If they qualify you for circuit

[39:08] breaker, that's a red flag. You guys already know that, you know, they're in

[39:13] this field. But those that don't, then there might have to be another way to

[39:20] bring them into the mix of that. >> Mayor, do you think there's a lot of

[39:25] people that don't take advantage of the property tax breaks or low?

[39:29] » I think it has been um at a number that's been difficult for anyone to

[39:35] qualify, for lots of people to qualify. I know it was difficult for my mother to

[39:38] qualify. Um maybe a couple hundred or $1,000. It's really

[39:43] » just over by a couple hundred thousand or Yeah. Especially if there's two

[39:47] earners still in the household. >> Yeah.

[39:49] » Instead of just being a single >> but if we if we take a reduced amount of

[39:53] property tax and reduce >> Yeah. Well, that's the school districts.

[39:57] » Anyways, thank you. We'll do your research. Let's come back and have this

[40:01] discussion and see see if there's a way that we can simply provide some sort of

[40:07] help to um

[40:12] those that we think would benefit. >> Dave, is there a report that the county

[40:16] would put out so that we would see how many people qualified within our city

[40:20] limits? You know, I'll I'll ask I'll ask the county that because I know they've

[40:25] presented to the uh council, Summit County Council actually had the option a

[40:31] couple of years ago to the state mandated amount was like 45 grand or so

[40:37] and and Summit County went up to 48 or something like that. It was just a few

[40:42] thousand dollar more. I'm I'm probably making stuff up here, but

[40:47] » here I'll read it though. It says homeowners tax credit for low-income

[40:51] elderly or widow widow widowerower 67 year old with a two 2025 househ home

[40:57] income up to 44,000. Okay. >> And then the low income abatement for

[41:01] lowincome elderly 67 years old or any age dis disabled or any age extreme

[41:07] financial hardship with a 2025 household income up to 53,000.

[41:14] You also have the veterans exception >> too.

[41:18] » That's true. >> Which is not but it's the same thing.

[41:21] » Same. And but that's not income threshold at all on that one, isn't it?

[41:25] It's just deployment active deployment, isn't it? Yes.

[41:29] » And this is this is one if anybody's uh watching us, it the applications are due

[41:35] like right now. I know they give a >> it's a September

[41:39] » September 1st is what they're saying on the website, but I do know they give a

[41:42] grace period out there. >> Disability.

[41:47] » You have to apply every year. >> I think you get every year. You do have

[41:50] to apply. Yes, >> man.

[41:53] » Yeah. >> Seems like once you qualify, you should

[41:56] be grandfathered into the program. >> Once you're determined to be in need, it

[42:00] seems like you're in need. I don't know. All right, Dave, you do the research.

[42:04] We'll come back and have the conversation again

[42:07] » and um in the meantime I'll talk with Dory and see what's

[42:12] » what's possible in Cassell. >> Great.

[42:15] » Okay. >> Uh next item on the agenda is a schedule

[42:18] work session for uh to discuss our fiesta days.

[42:23] And um I have mentioned um that uh we have one of the people who is um a major

[42:32] part of our fiesta days that works u Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday until 700

[42:37] p.m. And so if we want to schedule it on a Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday, then

[42:42] then um 7:30ish time frame would would be more appropriate or or we can look at

[42:46] a Thursday and and sit down and have a conversation about yesterday's. We have

[42:52] some I think we have some things that we need to make some decisions on um in

[42:56] preparation for next year. So >> um what does everybody think on on a

[43:05] on a date? Really? >> Do we know what our agenda looks like

[43:09] coming up maybe in two weeks? >> No,

[43:13] » not really an idea. And um again, we could get done with the agenda at 7

[43:18] and then have to sit around until 7:30 when that person came,

[43:22] » right? >> So it'd be better if we could schedule

[43:24] it independent of a city council meeting because No, I just don't know what I

[43:29] just don't know. We >> Well, for me though, if I'm already

[43:32] here, I just soon wait 30 minutes and still do that as come back a separate

[43:36] night to discuss. So I I just, you know, if I'm locked in, I just lock in and and

[43:43] do it. But >> I I agree. I can wait around till after

[43:48] 7:30 and then have it then starting at 7:30.

[43:53] » So we want So So you're saying 7:30 on the 22nd?

[43:57] » That would be my preference, but >> it seems um

[44:01] » Yep. >> Yeah.

[44:02] » Why not? Let's try it.

[44:10] » All right. We will plan on that.

[44:16] » Next item on the agenda is department reports. [sighs and gasps]

[44:19] Um Jill,

[44:25] so the planning commission has approved the Highar Ranch Northbench

[44:31] preliminary subdivision. So that is moving forward and they are still

[44:36] working on the helicopter ordinance and the conditional uses.

[44:48] You're on top of the job. >> I got

[44:56] Okay, Scott.

[45:00] All right. First, um I'll go over this EV power usage thing. um me and Kim gave

[45:05] me a few bills to look at and then we looked at the I looked at the usage of

[45:11] actual um what the EV users pulled in the kilowatt hours. So, if you look at

[45:17] the first column, it says Rocky Mountain Power Chargers. That's what our charge

[45:19] was for the month. And then the total kilowatts was what they charged us for.

[45:26] And then the the EVs used the next column, that's how many kilowatt hours

[45:32] they used. And I put a percentage um of what the kilowatt hours for the EV was.

[45:38] Um they're usually, you know, depending on the usage around 80 80 85% or so. And

[45:45] then um I put the cost for the kilowatt hours for the what the EV used um and

[45:53] then subtracted that from what rather Rocky Mountain Power charge is. And it's

[45:58] it's kind of a little bit deceiving because there's about 10 other charges,

[46:02] six or eight other charges that um Rocky Mount Power charges us. And one is a $10

[46:08] set fee we get charged no matter what. And then the other taxes and stuff are

[46:13] kind of based on the usage. So, as the usage goes up, you know, some of the EV

[46:17] charges will increase those a little bit, but they're not significant. So, I

[46:22] didn't want to go through and break down each one of those and make it more

[46:25] complicated. But, so you can kind of see that um you know, the the EV um is using

[46:31] a lot of the kilowatt hours that um we have on that. Um,

[46:38] and I know we put up some signs that say no overnight parking there recently and

[46:44] don't know if that's kind of changed um some of the usage. I know that the staff

[46:49] has noticed that some of the cars aren't parked there overnight anymore. Um, so

[46:53] that helps. But so that's that's kind of what the um

[46:59] what the power shows. you know, there's they're using the a significant amount

[47:03] of the bill each month is for the the EV power charge that we're the city's

[47:07] paying and citizens are using. So So that's what I have to report on that.

[47:12] Any questions? Yeah, I I'm looking at the math and I'm

[47:17] struggling. Okay. So, I understand the total kilowatts and the EV

[47:24] kilowatts, but I if I look at the dollars, just the dollars, EV kilowatts

[47:28] and dollars for the restroom and flag lights.

[47:32] » Mhm. >> Those don't match the percent of EV

[47:37] usage. And so, I'm just kind of trying to make that make sense in my mind.

[47:41] » So, the the EV kilowatt usage, um, I didn't put the total charge for the

[47:47] kilowatt hours in there. I just took the percentage of what the um because they

[47:52] charge us specifically for the kilowatt hours. Um so I took the rate that they

[47:57] charged and um times it by the percentage to get um how much the

[48:05] kilowatt hours used is. >> So So that's that's straight cost for

[48:10] the kilowatt hours is that for what the EB used.

[48:13] » So I'm looking at let's just look at the top one.

[48:16] » It's $107.80. 80s and it's broken down 61.82 for the EV

[48:23] and 4598 for the lights and flag uh flag lights in the restroom. But that doesn't

[48:29] match the percent of EVU kilowatt. So I'm trying to understand

[48:35] » so the >> does that make sense?

[48:37] » The percentage is is not based on the total bill. That's not 80 86% of the

[48:42] bill. It's 86% of the kilowatt hours. And I I don't have the bill in front of

[48:48] me or I could I can break that out and show you what the the charge was for the

[48:52] kilowatt hours. That make sense? So it's it's kind of

[48:58] deceiving because the the 45 and the 61, it's not um 61 isn't 86% of the bill.

[49:05] » That's what I'm saying. That doesn't make sense.

[49:07] » It's only 86% of what was charged for the kilowatt hours.

[49:10] » The fees and stuff I think that he explained before. Yeah, because there's

[49:14] about six or eight other fees that are charged,

[49:17] » right, >> in addition to the kilowatt hours that

[49:20] are included in the 45. >> And so you're saying those fees would be

[49:24] there. If we just dropped the uh EV charger, those fees would probably be

[49:29] there, the lights and the restroom out there.

[49:32] » Yeah, they'd still be there, but they'd be a little bit less because they're a

[49:35] little bit higher. >> Some of them are depending on usage.

[49:38] Yeah. Yeah. But the majority of them are they're just there

[49:41] » like a fee or something like that. >> So all the fees though are in like the

[49:47] column with the restroom and flag lights. That's where they're at. So

[49:50] that's where it is. Okay. Makes sense then cuz that's

[49:53] » you take them out then you'd be to that 86% problem.

[49:56] » Yep. >> Yeah. I can make that make sense.

[49:59] » Yeah. >> Yeah. I I couldn't get there.

[50:01] » No. Yeah. But that does that makes sense now where you put that. So, so we put so

[50:07] we put the no overnight parking signs up there and and I and Kim and I talked we

[50:11] noticed that that there hadn't been the vehicles there. Is is that something the

[50:16] council wants to get a couple of months more data before we decide

[50:21] a path to go down with charging or do you want to you want to take that road

[50:25] now? >> I think well I I'm okay waiting a couple

[50:29] of months. I mean, we just approved an invoice register that showed Rocky

[50:34] Mountain Power paying $211. So, it's going to be up here. And so, if if it's

[50:39] $211, then probably the EV charge is going to be somewhere north of $108,

[50:45] probably 150 bucks or so. Um, and then I think it's up to us to decide whether or

[50:50] not we if if it's a if it's going to average

[50:54] 150 bucks a month at least during the

[50:59] » all that charger. >> Was it last fall?

[51:02] » No, it's been about a year and a half almost years I think.

[51:10] » Spring. >> I'd be curious during the winter months

[51:14] how much it dropped. people not want to freeze their butts off and walk over

[51:18] here to charge it in the summer when it's nice they park it and charge it. So

[51:23] when the lady when the lady kept keeping it overnight, we got her finally moved

[51:27] this night to come in the dumpster and I came in early like4 to 6 and as I was

[51:32] pulling out with the backo, she was pulling in to charge it up at 6:00 in

[51:36] the morning. [laughter] I stopped and watched and she got out

[51:40] just walked over there.

[51:46] » We installed these for our residents, right, to use, I guess. Um, we got a

[51:52] grant for the EV charger and we installed it as a kind of a component of

[51:57] the park upgrade. And so I don't know that it was [snorts] I don't know that

[52:01] it was directly related to residents more so than just a convenience and an

[52:07] opportunity because we got a grant to install the charger.

[52:14] » How much was the grant? >> $40,000

[52:17] I think 40 is that right, Scott? 40,000. >> Yeah. And the county um when we when we

[52:23] were looking into this, the county um they installed some too. They have some

[52:27] over there. And I called the talked to them to see how much they charged. And

[52:32] they don't charge for the slow chargers like this one. They do charge for their

[52:36] fast chargers that they have over by Gimble Center or wherever it is over

[52:40] there. Um but anywhere where they have the the slow chargers like this one,

[52:44] they charge. And I think >> I don't know if that was it. I just

[52:48] think we're if our if obviously it's our residents using them, right? And it was

[52:53] something that was grant, you know, it was a grant that was

[52:57] given to us. I I think I mean unless these numbers get wildly out of control,

[53:01] I think we should just let them use it, you know, as a

[53:06] convenience of being a city resident. My concern is if it's going to if the

[53:14] usage is picked up to where it's 150 bucks a month and it's $1,800 a year

[53:20] going to one or two residents. Is that fair to the other 2,200 residents

[53:27] in CAS that we're we're paying? I mean, hey, I'll take 900 bucks. [laughter]

[53:34] » I mean I mean it's it's so limited. >> Yeah. Maybe a 500 to fill my truck up

[53:39] every once in a while. >> I don't know. Rip it out. Don't let

[53:43] anyone use it. >> My charge goes to the gas pump. I don't

[53:46] know. >> Scott, there's just one outlier on this

[53:51] paper that I'm trying to wrap my head around. If you look at May through June,

[53:56] the restroom and flag lights went up from $18 to 100. And it seems like the

[54:01] average is about 45. Like like I said, it's with all those other fees

[54:06] » without breaking up all those other fees.

[54:08] » Yeah. >> With the high usage for that month,

[54:11] » those fees went up too. So it it kind of brings those other fees up too. So it's

[54:15] kind of misleading. I >> probably should have just left that off

[54:19] and said this is how much the the power charges.

[54:23] Um because it's it's misleading and you know if we really wanted to I could go

[54:27] through and try to break out those other taxes and see how you know how they're

[54:31] affected with the >> No. I don't think we need any additional

[54:35] work. I just it's just weird when I look at the restroom and flag lights how it

[54:40] » I checked that two or three times because I was like that just seems

[54:43] really weird that that one went well. >> We just left the bathroom lights on all

[54:46] night, right? [laughter] because you you can see that, you know,

[54:50] we we still used um you know, not very you much for the the um bathrooms and

[54:56] the flags. It's just cuz those other fees goes up the you know, and and um

[55:01] during the summer months, Rocky Mount Power, they have a different fee for the

[55:07] kilowatt hours. It jumps up during the summer versus um during the winter

[55:11] months.

[55:14] hook it up to air conditioning.

[55:21] » Thank you, Scott, for putting this together for us.

[55:24] » And let's look at it, I think, for a couple more months and see where we

[55:27] land. >> We can do that.

[55:28] » So, in November, will you give us a couple more months worth and see where

[55:32] we want to be? Is >> that fair? November.

[55:34] » Okay. >> Dave, you had one other question you

[55:37] wanted to talk to Scott about? >> Oh, no. We were going to discuss

[55:41] bathrooms. We were going to discuss the RAP recreation grant which is open and

[55:46] it's uh last day to apply for it is on September 30th

[55:52] » and we discussed uh putting a new restrooms um down at the uh in between

[55:58] the event center and the snack shack uh down there so it could be used u and

[56:04] make it a little bit larger and uh and so it could be used for both everybody

[56:08] that goes to the playground as well as our fiesta days.

[56:14] » Yeah. So, I um Dave sent that out and I I I got in touch with the the same

[56:20] company that we bought these other restrooms for. Um we paid about 115,000

[56:27] just for the restrooms for these two. And it's just two restrooms.

[56:32] um to get one that has about that has six stalls. Like the women has three

[56:39] toilets and then the men's has a urinal plus two toilets. So six dolls it's

[56:44] around just 280 just to get it. >> 280.

[56:47] » 280. Yeah. >> And then how much work Trevor does?

[56:52] » Depends on where you put it really. >> Yeah. Depending on how far we got to run

[56:56] sewer, water, that kind of stuff. estimate

[57:01] » you're probably like 15 20 grand >> 20 grand. So we So So Dave, that looks a

[57:07] lot like a $300,000 ask on top of the turf

[57:13] » if you're filling out the application. >> Yeah, that's that's a little bit rich.

[57:20] That's going to be that's going to that's going to get people's attention.

[57:24] We can do that. I'm thinking maybe what would we what

[57:28] would we contribute or when we get asked the question if we

[57:33] could only give you partial funding would you still go forward with it?

[57:37] » And what my just quick question um where would we put this exactly?

[57:44] Would it replace an existing bathroom or would it be a new bathroom? some of the

[57:48] conversation we had today and this is really spitballing not the council

[57:52] totally but we talked about the bathroom up closer to the bucking shoots is

[57:56] really kind of needing to go away and this would be a replacement only it

[58:02] would be more closer to the concession stand so that the pavilion park the

[58:07] whole area could use it. That was the initial thought that we had spitballled

[58:11] earlier today. And so, um, we've talked several times about the other [snorts]

[58:17] bathroom and we've we've juryrigged the water and it's it just needs to be

[58:23] redone. So, that was the thought process. And

[58:26] » we thought if we put it close enough [snorts] to the concession booth that

[58:30] there could be an access to water and sewer because it would be in close power

[58:36] » because it would be in close proximity. >> I just look at the events that we host

[58:40] there when the county came in and did their movie night and

[58:44] » when people rent the or use the pavilion for big family parties, it's really hard

[58:50] to have just a two stall bathroom. Well, and Trevor,

[58:54] you know how hard that gets hit when we have those.

[58:56] » Well, I'm just trying to picture where it was to go.

[59:00] » What about by the entrance where we were we put all of the bathrooms now

[59:05] » on the north side of the concession stand.

[59:08] » That's exactly where we were thinking. >> Keep it right where it is. You'd have to

[59:12] like move a little bit of the park. >> That's where we were thinking. Yeah.

[59:16] » Yeah. Kind of tie it right onto that bead to get water and scooters.

[59:21] » That was the talk. that old brick bathroom that's just kind

[59:25] of a horrible place. >> Well, we put layout of the

[59:29] » Yeah, it's just >> it's just not very convenient

[59:32] » convenient. >> Yeah.

[59:33] » And it's it's it's >> it's

[59:39] not in good shape either. So, um that was the thought. Dave, is that

[59:46] too much? Most of the time in any grants that I've been involved in, 20% match is

[59:52] generally pretty acceptable. >> Yeah.

[59:55] » And so if this is what I'm seeing, then that's $60,000 commitment from the city.

[1:00:02] But but that's a pretty decent infrastructure

[1:00:06] improvement for for that cost if the city is interested in doing something

[1:00:10] like that.

[1:00:18] just thinking >> I am I'm okay with that. I think it's

[1:00:22] the right thing to do, but >> I've always thought that the restroom

[1:00:27] facilities ever since we took out the one to put in the event center has

[1:00:32] always been a problem. And the comments that you get from the patrons who go to

[1:00:37] our festivities are, "You have this amazing complex here and you have no

[1:00:42] bathrooms. So, David, um, what what do you need

[1:00:48] from Scott and Trevor that will be an, um, an appendix to the application that

[1:00:54] would help? What do you need? >> I I assume, Scott, that this is the same

[1:00:59] vendor that's the state approved bid and all that.

[1:01:03] » I just got budget prices just quick. I need a bid that's state approved

[1:01:09] that doesn't expire before October 15th or something. [laughter]

[1:01:14] » That won't happen. So, we'll put a contingency in there.

[1:01:16] » Yeah. Um and uh then >> it's really hard to get anything over 30

[1:01:20] days anymore. >> So,

[1:01:23] 30 to 60 days. >> The big jump from one stall to like from

[1:01:27] two stalls to six stalls. That's a big jump from 115 to 280. Is there anything

[1:01:31] in between that would be acceptable? That would be something the city would

[1:01:35] consider like for stall like is there a way is there a number that's that's more

[1:01:40] palatable to everyone when we make this application?

[1:01:44] » Is that is that >> No, I I mean I was assuming that total

[1:01:48] total project cost is $300,000 and we're going to pony up for 60 of it and u and

[1:01:55] so the ask is 240. Our ask last year was 263 for the pavilion and the uh and the

[1:02:02] restrooms over at Beaver Creek Park. So, it's doable. We're getting in I think we

[1:02:06] were pretty close to the highest ask last year, but So, if we're in that

[1:02:12] ballpark, 300 grand starts to get people's attention and would probably

[1:02:17] get cut anyway. So, >> but if there were a four stall that

[1:02:20] dropped it at somewhere, >> if there is a force stall, it only drops

[1:02:24] at about um 20 $25,000. So, I think for $25,000 you get two more stalls.

[1:02:32] » I'm just saying if that 20 or 25,000 kicks us out of consideration. Is that

[1:02:36] worth being kicked out of consideration? That's the question I'm asking.

[1:02:40] » No, I >> I don't In my opinion, no. I think if

[1:02:43] we're going to do it, we should >> do it right. Yeah, I'd say maybe

[1:02:48] we can make the point that this these restrooms are going to be used for all

[1:02:52] year long because it's going to be placed right next to the playground and

[1:02:55] right next to the pavilion. So we we we put that there all year because it

[1:03:00] unless if we need want to do all year, we're going to have to put heating in it

[1:03:03] and then that'll jump to cost. >> Uh okay. Yes. And so it'll be just like

[1:03:08] these two restrooms, right? Okay. So it'll be used.

[1:03:13] » I know. I know. When uh all three stalls or three stalls are full of that four

[1:03:17] stall grand. >> So it'll be worth it.

[1:03:21] » The more stalls the marrier. >> Okay.

[1:03:24] » Sounds like we have a direction. We do. >> Awesome. Thank you, Scott.

[1:03:28] » That's all I have. >> All right, Trevor. Over

[1:03:34] the last several weeks, the public works team has continued daily water, sewer,

[1:03:38] and park maintenance and monitoring. We completed this year's scheduled fire

[1:03:42] hydrant maintenance, repaired three water leaks, and changed out two water

[1:03:46] meter cans. Also, some small improvements to our parks. We also

[1:03:51] assisted in the county sponsored movie night with power layout, setup, and

[1:03:55] takedown. I have also been working with Comcast contractors on their upcoming

[1:03:59] project in town and also lastly we were able to complete full services on both

[1:04:05] of our plow trucks.

[1:04:11] » Thank you. >> Thank you. One one other one other

[1:04:14] thing. Um I was contacted by the mayor Francis yesterday uh for uh potential

[1:04:21] for some help to take some of their um tents down. And I imagine they were

[1:04:27] timesensitive, probably rented. And um I called Trevor and asked what he thought

[1:04:32] and he jumped in and and and um and [clears throat] I'm I think it

[1:04:37] went well. And and I guess the highlight I want to make is is that um that

[1:04:42] ability to to help each in each other's communities and be available to to work

[1:04:47] together as as a valley which I I think is impressive and so thank you.

[1:04:55] » Can I make one other comment? Yes. >> I've got to say the Bisden's subdiv or

[1:05:00] development over there on the old west property um they're wanting to get

[1:05:05] started on their infrastructure and get going. So you you'll probably be seeing

[1:05:09] that happen in the next couple weeks, too. So,

[1:05:14] okay, Brad.

[1:05:22] So, since I last reported, we've had 82 calls for service,

[1:05:27] uh, four alarms, four a 14 agency assists, two ATLs, three crashes, five

[1:05:34] citizen assist, two drugs, one domestic violence, one citizen dispute, two hit

[1:05:39] and runs, five juvenile problems, one harassment, two keep the peace, three

[1:05:44] lockouts, four suspicious, two juvenile alcohol, one abandoned vehicle, one

[1:05:50] livestock problem, one lost lost property. Two motorist assists, one

[1:05:54] property damage, two assaults, one paper service, one stalking, one threatening,

[1:06:00] eight VIN inspections, six welfare checks, three wildlife problems, two

[1:06:06] animal problems, and one burglary. And we handled 73% and the sheriff's office

[1:06:11] handled 27%.

[1:06:17] » That's kind of kind of a lot for our little small community. Um Brad, will

[1:06:22] you send someone down to check um Second

[1:06:27] West tomorrow? They they've parked that big semi right in the middle of road.

[1:06:31] Well, on one side of the road and so it takes up half the road there by Vulkers.

[1:06:36] Will you check that out? >> Yep.

[1:06:37] » They they we can't have the road be the parking lot.

[1:06:41] » Okay. Y >> today the tree service was there cutting

[1:06:44] for Rocky Mountain. It was a challenge to get the bus around them and I'm sure

[1:06:50] our citizens are struggling there, too. >> Okay. Yep. We'll take care of it.

[1:06:54] » Awesome. Any questions for Brad? >> We need to put up a no overnight parking

[1:07:00] sign in our event center parking lot. That's could easily become a used cars

[1:07:07] sales lot. >> I know, [laughter] right? Well, because

[1:07:11] when people rent our event center, they want the parking that goes with it. And

[1:07:17] so when somebody's pulled in, they're just

[1:07:20] » However, >> will you get some no overnight parking

[1:07:22] signs? I think it's a great idea. >> Yeah, absolutely. Let's put those in.

[1:07:27] » We may want to do the same thing for the Beaver Creek Park.

[1:07:31] » Yes. >> Will you look at the Beaver Creek Park,

[1:07:33] too? >> Post.

[1:07:35] » Sorry. >> Will you look at the Beaver Creek Park,

[1:07:36] too? >> Putting some signs up.

[1:07:39] » Awesome. Yeah, >> I think all of our parks are no

[1:07:43] overnight anyway. So, >> yeah.

[1:07:46] » Yeah. Our ordinance states the parks close at dusk, like soon as the sun

[1:07:51] sets. >> Our ordinance says dusk.

[1:07:53] » Yeah, it says dusk. >> Interesting.

[1:07:56] » I think I was just reading, we were going through it the other day, some of

[1:07:59] our ordinances. So, >> we may want to look at that as an

[1:08:03] appropriate terminology. >> I was going to say, what number does it

[1:08:05] start out with? [laughter] >> 52.

[1:08:08] » Uh, no. It was It was in the '9s. I think it was the 93 possibly.

[1:08:13] » Yeah. >> So,

[1:08:14] » that's >> Yeah, there was a few of them I looked

[1:08:17] at that we need to maybe update. >> Will you bring those in? We can sit

[1:08:22] down, talk about it, and then I can get them in front of the council.

[1:08:25] » Yep. >> Thank you. Anything else?

[1:08:27] » I have a question for Jill. >> Yes.

[1:08:30] » Uh the old B Blazard Place and walk over here on First West and

[1:08:36] First North. >> Okay. There's a dumpster sitting out on

[1:08:40] the rideway. Do we know who that owns that? Why is it sitting on the rideway?

[1:08:45] It's sitting right next to the stop sign.

[1:08:47] » I have no idea. >> Several

[1:08:50] the hotel or whatever they're using Ward's place for.

[1:08:56] » They they have had several uses in there. In fact, I'm not positive that

[1:09:01] they don't have a conditional use for a bed and breakfast there. Like there are

[1:09:06] some things that I don't know. >> I don't know.

[1:09:09] » I thought they were doing bed and breakfast or something,

[1:09:11] » but it's been a church. >> I don't know what you're talking about.

[1:09:13] » Yeah. I mean, it's right out there. I've had several people that live in my

[1:09:16] subdivision say, "Hey, what's going on with this? We can't leave our trash out

[1:09:20] on the road, and that's right next to a stop sign.

[1:09:24] » Last time we went there, they had it rented a bunch of places rented out in

[1:09:28] there. So, it wasn't being used like short-term rentals. It was more

[1:09:31] long-term, and that was the garbage for all the people there. So, I don't know

[1:09:35] who owns it, but I think they're renting it out more long-term. Some of the

[1:09:40] » Yeah, I believe it. >> The the person who owns it is renting it

[1:09:43] for his employees or work for his employees to work here. So, that

[1:09:50] might have been a while ago. So, still it should be on the rideway.

[1:09:55] » Oh, sorry. What was that? >> I say still it shouldn't be on the

[1:09:57] rightway. The one on third South >> Third South move. Yeah,

[1:10:01] » that was nice cuz it was right on the road.

[1:10:04] » Yeah, >> hit it with a man. It's gone. It's okay.

[1:10:08] » Okay, we'll look into it. >> And I didn't

[1:10:11] I've gotten a lot of questions about lushes on the corner. Are there parking

[1:10:15] problems? >> A lot. And I said, I don't know a whole

[1:10:19] lot. We're working with that one, aren't we, Jill?

[1:10:22] » Yes, we are. >> That's in.

[1:10:23] » So, I'll find out. I'll see if I I find anything.

[1:10:26] » He is in violation. The scary is so they park on the bridge.

[1:10:30] » Yes. >> Just barely get a car across the bridge.

[1:10:34] » Yeah. >> Yeah. Um his his uh plan shows parking

[1:10:40] in the back which he has not. Anyway, we're working on that.

[1:10:43] » Okay. >> Yes,

[1:10:44] » those only things I had. >> Awesome. Anything else?

[1:10:50] If not, um again, Senator, thanks for being here.

[1:10:55] Appreciate it. love to have you anytime. Appreciate your comments. Um I would

[1:10:59] entertain a a final motion. >> Come on, Mike.

[1:11:02] » I'll make a motion that we uh adjourn. >> Second.

[1:11:08] » Okay, we're adjourned. Thank you.

09.08.2026 City Council Meeting

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