[0:01] Or do I miss them? Yeah.

[0:03] Oh, approval of the minutes.

[0:08] May 22nd,

[0:10] 2025.

[0:25] Anybody got any uh problem with that?

[0:36] » Mr. Chairman, I also move that the

[0:37] minutes be approved as presented.

[0:42] » All right.

[0:43] Here or second?

[0:48] » I do have a question on it, actually.

[0:49] I'm looking at it.

[0:51] What What does the uh

[0:53] 301 mean? Does that mean that somebody

[0:56] wasn't here or did somebody just not

[0:58] vote?

[1:01] » I believe that was a no vote.

[1:04] » So, like a abstain?

[1:05] » Abstain.

[1:06] » Okay.

[1:09] » If uh before we move on, I I had one

[1:12] thing that I'd like to address

[1:14] concerning this.

[1:15] Um

[1:17] you know,

[1:19] we get

[1:21] uh

[1:23] financially subsidized for

[1:26] uh being present at these at these

[1:29] meetings.

[1:31] And um

[1:33] this year in 2026,

[1:35] uh I came to the uh

[1:38] financial section here in King George to

[1:40] uh

[1:41] receive my 1099,

[1:44] and I was told

[1:46] that I didn't get paid in 2025.

[1:51] And so, I would like to make

[1:54] you all aware of that. I did not get

[1:57] paid in 2025.

[2:03] » I will check with finance on that.

[2:05] » Right off because I came in January of

[2:08] 2026

[2:10] to get my

[2:11] uh 1099

[2:13] and they said, "Mr. Johnson,

[2:16] uh we have no 1099 for you."

[2:19] Now, it didn't bother me a whole lot cuz

[2:20] it's not a whole lot of money, but I'm

[2:23] still

[2:24] supposed to get something.

[2:26] » Yes, sir.

[2:27] » Okay.

[2:28] » I will I will gladly look into that for

[2:30] you.

[2:31] » Okay. Thank you.

[2:36] » Anything else?

[2:41] » Do we have to approve the motion?

[2:43] Do we Do we have to approve the motion

[2:45] to uh accept the minutes

[2:48] as read?

[2:50] » So moved.

[2:51] » Aye.

[2:55] » Okay, now we're at the citizens public

[2:58] comment period.

[3:02] First of guest, we're going to

[3:06] public hearing on item number

[3:09] 2026-0964.

[3:19] Anybody want to

[3:20] say anything about that proposal?

[3:24] » Good evening. Uh my name is Jim Buck.

[3:26] I'm the engineer for this project. Um

[3:30] So, a parcel

[3:32] um on the Potomac River uh a little bit

[3:33] north of Dahlgren.

[3:35] Uh

[3:35] main

[3:37] main initial uh purpose of the project

[3:39] is to replace some

[3:41] uh timber groins that have failed.

[3:43] And since the timber groins had failed,

[3:46] uh there's been some erosion on a

[3:48] parcel. So, I guess the matter before

[3:50] uh this board is what we're doing on the

[3:53] uh,

[3:53] shore side of it where we're going to

[3:56] place rip rap revetment and grade back a

[3:59] slope.

[4:01] Um,

[4:02] so it's a it's not a

[4:04] terribly long piece where we're doing

[4:06] the improvements. Um, but

[4:09] uh, we do do want to

[4:11] stabilize the slope along there. Uh,

[4:13] this

[4:14] main residence of Mr. Blackburn,

[4:18] uh, his lot, the slope is well

[4:20] stabilized. Uh, the property owner to

[4:23] the north, his slope is well stabilized

[4:25] and there's a

[4:26] parcel in between where it's not

[4:28] stabilized and Mr. Blackburn owns.

[4:36] » Do you have any questions or not?

[4:40] Maybe a question for Mike. Look like we

[4:43] got a

[4:45] comment from the neighbor.

[4:46] Saw it in my email today. I didn't have

[4:48] a chance to read it. What was the

[4:50] comment that the neighbor had?

[4:52] » Yeah, I can address that. Um, the

[4:54] neighbor was concerned about how

[4:58] our project would tie into his project

[5:00] at the common property line. Um, I went

[5:03] through the project with or went through

[5:05] our approach with him and he's he's fine

[5:08] with everything. We do have an email to

[5:10] that effect where he's acknowledged that

[5:12] that he's okay with everything. So we

[5:14] we've resolved that concern, I believe.

[5:19] » Since he's north, he's only going to

[5:20] build up shoreline from these groynes

[5:22] anyway, so

[5:24] » Right, he already had the neighbor

[5:26] already has groynes and his the uh,

[5:30] uh,

[5:30] face of the um, hill there's about 16 ft

[5:33] tall. His is entirely rip rapped. Um,

[5:36] we're going to extend the rip rap up to

[5:38] about elevation eight and then just uh,

[5:41] use erosion control matting and

[5:43] revegetate everything between elevation

[5:46] eight and 16. So it'll it'll match the

[5:48] grading will match his his property.

[5:51] Um our intent is to

[5:53] uh install the groins um as soon as we

[5:58] can.

[5:59] And then allow these groins to work and

[6:02] and create some sand behind them and and

[6:04] hopefully restore the beach on on this

[6:05] lot.

[6:07] » So, will you be pulling the old groins

[6:08] out or just building behind them?

[6:10] » We're going to

[6:11] uh put the new groins in the same

[6:12] footprint as the old groins. So, we will

[6:14] pull them out, yes.

[6:15] » Move quickly cuz it's they're already

[6:17] pre-filled. You won't have to I assume

[6:19] you won't have to pre-fill them.

[6:20] » No.

[6:22] No, I think there's there's pretty good

[6:24] uh current in this area.

[6:25] And the uh groins that have not failed

[6:28] yet have have uh accumulated some nice

[6:31] beach.

[6:33] » In the old days, they used to make you

[6:35] pre-fill them when you built the groin.

[6:38] » Right.

[6:38] » But if you move quick, you've already

[6:40] got them filled, you shouldn't have to

[6:42] do that.

[6:42] » Right, right.

[6:46] » Uh I had one question. The poles that

[6:47] will be used for the new groins uh

[6:51] and old poles that

[6:52] are you going to pull those out? The old

[6:55] poles will be extracted.

[6:56] » To try to pull them out um

[6:58] when they do the work. Um if they won't

[7:00] come out uh

[7:02] and they're I I don't know how old they

[7:04] are. I'm guessing 25 30 years. If they

[7:06] won't come out for whatever reason, then

[7:08] they'd

[7:09] uh

[7:10] cut them uh level with the river bottom.

[7:12] » Okay.

[7:13] » Rather than leave them sticking out.

[7:15] » Okay.

[7:16] » You be jetting these in or driving them

[7:17] in?

[7:18] » Uh probably be driven in.

[7:22] We haven't selected a contractor yet,

[7:24] but

[7:25] uh I suspect they'll be driven.

[7:34] » Do you have any other questions?

[7:37] » All right.

[7:49] » The public would like to address this

[7:52] issue.

[7:54] » Doggett

[7:57] » You mean this last project, right?

[8:00] » Huh?

[8:00] » You mean address the last project?

[8:01] » The last issue, yes.

[8:03] » Talking about the last

[8:05] » You have to

[8:06] You have to approve it now or do you

[8:07] not?

[8:07] » Yes, yes.

[8:12] » I make a motion that we approve the uh

[8:16] project as uh presented.

[8:19] Uh let me get the project number.

[8:22] Uh item number

[8:25] 2026-0964

[8:30] » Second.

[8:31] » Seconded. All in favor?

[8:34] » I vote aye.

[8:35] » Aye.

[8:37] » Okay.

[8:39] Next item is 2023

[8:42] 123 1253

[8:47] or 33.

[8:53] » Okay. Hi, I'm Lisa Dozeman. I'm the

[8:56] project manager for the shoreline

[8:58] restoration at Doggett Run Gamble Creek.

[9:01] We have our wetlands group here. So, if

[9:03] you have any questions on what we're

[9:04] doing on the creek, she'll be able to

[9:06] answer them on the design.

[9:10] And this is Leslie from USA.

[9:12] » Yes.

[9:12] » Um are you uh Can you put up the

[9:15] » Put up the plans?

[9:17] » Uh

[9:19] Chris, would you mind switching over to

[9:20] the next application?

[9:25] » Oh. Oh.

[9:26] Look at that.

[9:31] Which way?

[9:33] There we go.

[9:36] Okay, yeah, just

[9:37] » Oh, it went back, didn't it?

[9:38] » That's not it. It is.

[9:44] » Am I pointing it?

[9:48] » I think it might be stuck on this PDF.

[9:51] » Yeah, I think it's I think they're

[9:52] separate files.

[9:53] » That's two separate PDFs.

[9:55] » He's got to pull up the next one. All

[9:56] right, well, I'll let you I'll let you

[9:58] click through it since you're

[10:00] » I think it's a separate separate PDF.

[10:02] This one is just those three for the

[10:04] Blackburn project.

[10:05] » Oh, okay.

[10:06] » And then the other PDF was the was the

[10:09] Navy project.

[10:10] » It was up just a second.

[10:14] » So, this is Navy.

[10:16] » This is Blackburn.

[10:17] » No, this one

[10:17] » This is Blackburn. The other one

[10:21] 2025-1253

[10:24] is the Navy project.

[10:33] » So, this is a small project at the mouth

[10:37] of Gambo Creek

[10:39] where there is

[10:41] um

[10:42] 5-ft tall banks on along an outside bend

[10:46] of the creek that need to be stabilized.

[10:50] So, we're proposing a sill that's 108 ft

[10:53] long and then filling behind it with

[10:56] sand and planting that up up against the

[10:59] bank.

[11:01] So, it's a pretty simple design.

[11:04] Um

[11:07] and access will be the construction's

[11:09] going to be from land.

[11:20] » Is there any concern about unexploded

[11:23] ordinance? I saw a mention of that in

[11:25] the project proposal. Mention you're

[11:27] getting to it from land.

[11:30] Are you concerned about something

[11:32] happening there?

[11:33] » Right. So,

[11:35] that is because of the possible presence

[11:38] of unexploded ordnance. We cannot grade

[11:42] back the slope, which would be the ideal

[11:45] situation. But, in this case, we can't

[11:47] really grade. We can only add additional

[11:50] materials to the bank, which is why

[11:52] we're doing this stone sill and then the

[11:56] plantings and sand.

[11:58] There we go.

[12:00] » But, but there's no swimmer

[12:02] or like heavy equipment

[12:05] » Oh, right. So, yeah, um if need be,

[12:08] we'll have um

[12:10] someone come sweep before construction

[12:12] happens.

[12:14] » If you conveniently have a EOD on site,

[12:16] so

[12:17] » Right.

[12:19] So,

[12:22] So,

[12:22] » I'd definitely be careful

[12:24] cuz I've heard uh

[12:26] somebody uh in their boat, they came too

[12:28] close to shore and they their boat got

[12:31] blown up. They got a new boat out of it

[12:33] though.

[12:35] Wasn't exactly there, but it was

[12:37] somewhere around there, you know, I'm

[12:38] going to show you the creek.

[12:39] » Okay.

[12:41] So, um when you're looking at this

[12:43] picture, it's a the blue is a marsh and

[12:46] then next to it there's a bunch of

[12:50] lines to the

[12:52] like downstream or to the right sort of

[12:56] and that is the steep grade of the

[12:59] eroding bank that we want to stabilize.

[13:04] Um

[13:06] so,

[13:08] so,

[13:10] So, basically that's kind of what we're

[13:12] proposing is a sill and fill behind it

[13:14] up against the bank.

[13:17] Um

[13:19] and at one point we were proposing

[13:21] additional planting and some sand

[13:24] further

[13:25] um south, but now we're not doing that

[13:27] further downstream of

[13:30] the rock sill.

[13:35] » So, you hoping to proceed soon?

[13:38] » Um, potentially construction could get

[13:41] started as early as November. It also

[13:44] might get pushed into the spring, but

[13:47] » And it's going to be hard to put top

[13:49] soil and seed out there in November to

[13:51] get it to grow, but if you proceeded

[13:53] now, you'd have a chance.

[13:58] » It's not going to happen now. It'll be

[13:59] It'll be spring.

[14:01] » Yeah.

[14:02] In which case then, yeah, we might wait

[14:04] to do it.

[14:06] Do the construction at the end of the

[14:08] winter [clears throat] and then

[14:11] we'll be um,

[14:12] both planting plugs and seeding the

[14:15] area.

[14:18] » So, what are the uh, changes on the map

[14:20] here? I'm still a little confused. Is it

[14:22] just the area in red, or is it also the

[14:24] blue and the

[14:26] black stripes?

[14:28] » So, the area in red is not moving

[14:31] forward.

[14:32] Um,

[14:35] is that that's everything. Is there

[14:37] another document that they might have?

[14:40] » They've been sent another document that

[14:41] I saw this sheet

[14:42] that I

[14:45] » Can he see if there's yet another

[14:47] document otherwise or is there a way to

[14:50] like zoom in?

[14:52] » Well, look it looks like this one was

[14:54] revised August 2026. Is that the latest

[14:57] version?

[14:57] » There's just a clean

[15:00] a clean document that

[15:01] » Okay. Yeah, that threw me off when I

[15:02] looked at it.

[15:08] » Um,

[15:15] well, yeah, here I have

[15:22] is

[15:24] » Yeah.

[15:43] » So you're doing 108 ft fill.

[15:46] Okay, then you're putting uh

[15:49] » [laughter]

[15:54] » So you're running

[15:55] You're running riprap behind the riprap

[15:58] first, right?

[15:59] Is that way it's working?

[16:15] So you're doing your riprap first.

[16:17] Right? That's what you're showing here.

[16:19] Then you're doing

[16:21] Of course you got your fiber cloth, then

[16:22] the cloth comes up, covers the riprap,

[16:24] goes back, and you you're

[16:26] doing your 4 in of topsoil

[16:28] on top of sand.

[16:32] It's right in there.

[16:33] The right above that red.

[16:35] Lower it.

[16:39] And planting.

[16:43] Vegetation.

[16:47] Are we stable?

[17:00] Okay.

[17:06] Okay, and a grade.

[17:10] Yeah.

[17:12] Oh,

[17:17] Yeah, Yeah,

[17:18] 3 ft.

[17:19] » Yeah, 3 to 1

[17:20] » Yeah.

[17:21] » 3 ft up, 1 ft up, 1 ft up.

[17:25] » Mhm.

[17:42] » Um there is um

[17:45] a little bit of vegetation.

[17:50] Um yeah.

[17:51] » And a lot of it's right there.

[17:57] » Get rid of it now.

[18:15] » No,

[18:16] we are planting it.

[18:37] » You looking to get a swamp milkweed?

[18:41] » Regular milkweed?

[18:44] Oh, like an open field.

[18:46] » It's pretty dry.

[18:47] » It's not really

[19:01] Yeah.

[19:02] » [laughter]

[19:10] » I just moved one of my

[19:13] monarch caterpillars.

[19:18] And mine

[19:19] » Yeah, they like to slide. They like to

[19:21] do that. I don't know why they I don't

[19:23] know why they do that. Maybe cuz

[19:33] » Uh no, yeah.

[19:35] » Do you have any more questions?

[19:37] » I think

[19:39] » Uh I got

[19:39] » I need you.

[19:43] » Pretty nice of

[19:47] » Okay, I guess we

[20:07] » A motion to approve 20251

[20:11] 253.

[20:12] » Motion to approve.

[20:14] » Second.

[20:16] » All in favor?

[20:17] » I.

[20:18] » I.

[20:19] » Removed.

[20:22] » Thank you.

[20:35] » Any new business?

[20:41] » I don't believe we have any aside from

[20:43] the two uh permit applications.

[20:49] » And I believe all all of our old

[20:51] business has been discussed.

[20:53] » I was I was curious if anybody uh had a

[20:56] chance to look at the Farley valve

[21:00] uh project that uh we approved last

[21:02] year. I I didn't

[21:05] I didn't see it. I can't remember if it

[21:07] was on somebody's property or not,

[21:08] though, which makes it a little more

[21:10] hard to

[21:11] visit it.

[21:14] You know how sometimes we like to follow

[21:15] up on the projects to see

[21:18] how they look.

[21:20] » Uh

[21:23] Mr. Crane and I initially uh visited

[21:26] Fall to Veil.

[21:28] We know what's

[21:30] uh they're supposed to be doing. There

[21:31] is some activity on the property at this

[21:33] time.

[21:34] Uh but as far as a uh

[21:37] uh

[21:39] wall fish concerned, I I couldn't I

[21:42] couldn't speak to that.

[21:44] » I haven't been down there since we were

[21:45] there. It looks like they're filling in

[21:47] the

[21:49] the the hole there with

[21:50] » Yes.

[21:54] And

[21:56] and also I lacked the opportunity to go

[21:58] back out on the Potomac again where they

[21:59] were were

[22:01] removing the

[22:03] the the the tombstones from the

[22:05] riverbank.

[22:07] » Yes, I'd like to go there, too.

[22:09] » So,

[22:10] uh

[22:11] » Field trip.

[22:13] » If we could I could ask the county

[22:17] to

[22:18] » [groaning]

[22:20] » Look into having us visit those those

[22:23] two sites.

[22:24] » Yes, sir. I will reach out to the

[22:26] landowners and see if we can coordinate

[22:27] something.

[22:29] » Okay.

[22:30] » That way one can go with you and one can

[22:32] go with me to another time cuz we've

[22:33] already been there once.

[22:35] » Yes.

[22:38] » Yes, sir.

[22:43] » There's a dock and then it looks like

[22:46] vegetation planning.

[22:50] I think that's the Rappahannock there.

[22:51] » Yes, it is. Yes.

[22:59] » They're filling in the gravel pit pretty

[23:01] quickly.

[23:02] I'm not sure what all they're putting in

[23:04] there, but they're putting something in

[23:05] it.

[23:07] » They said they were going to use uh

[23:10] » Dredge material

[23:12] » Dredged

[23:13] uh river material.

[23:15] » Yeah.

[23:15] » Uh material that they

[23:17] uh

[23:19] and

[23:20] uh

[23:24] the phrase that they use, I can't

[23:27] remember, but what it is is just ground

[23:30] up stumps and dirt

[23:33] that they were dumping there.

[23:35] So, the actual uh

[23:39] uh visual effects of what they are doing

[23:43] has been blinded by the berm that they

[23:46] built.

[23:48] » Yeah, but we didn't really we were down

[23:50] on the water.

[23:51] » We were on the water.

[23:52] » Yeah. Yeah.

[23:52] » Right. The part that we had to

[23:55] investigate was

[23:57] the part on the water that

[23:59] » Part where it doesn't have anything to

[24:00] do with us.

[24:01] » Allowed they

[24:02] » Unfortunately.

[24:03] » They said

[24:03] » You got to go buy it.

[24:05] » Allowed the barges to come in

[24:07] with that silt.

[24:10] That's That's this area here that you

[24:12] That's

[24:12] » A lot of dump trucks going in there

[24:14] every day.

[24:15] » What for? In order for us to get there,

[24:17] we had to we had to This This part was a

[24:20] route that we came.

[24:21] It started back over here somewhere.

[24:24] And we

[24:24] » Looks like now you can go in that

[24:26] that gate, too, I think it is.

[24:28] The one near Rickenbacker.

[24:30] » Right. Now we can.

[24:32] » Yeah.

[24:35] » I would like to bring up one note back

[24:37] on the uh Navy projects real quick

[24:40] before

[24:41] I guess we leave, is there any

[24:45] suggestion from the Wetland Board on

[24:47] potential mitigation requirements due to

[24:49] the uh wetland impacts there or is the

[24:52] approval approval without mitigation

[24:55] required? Just making that note

[24:58] on that specific application.

[25:03] » I believe the other project there was no

[25:04] litigation involved, was it?

[25:06] » No.

[25:07] » I don't think so.

[25:10] » I'd say no cuz they're not they're not

[25:12] digging or anything. They're just

[25:14] they're [clears throat] just adding soil

[25:15] to to build it up a little bit.

[25:20] » Just with there being wetland impacts, I

[25:22] I just wanted to confirm

[25:24] the board's decision on that.

[25:29] » The benefits of this project are going

[25:31] to help the swamp area

[25:33] in the end.

[25:35] » On a base, yeah.

[25:39] » So you like I said, I just wanted to

[25:40] clarify.

[25:41] » It's a fishing boat.

[25:42] » I won't be up there.

[25:53] » Anything else? I hear a motion to

[25:54] adjourn.

[25:55] » So moved.

[25:56] » Second.

[25:58] » All in favor?

[25:59] » Aye.

[26:00] » Aye.

[26:04] » Thanks everyone for attending.

[26:06] » 7:00.

King George Wetlands Board 09/03/26

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