[1:47] Good afternoon. We like to call this

[1:48] meeting to order. We appreciate all of

[1:50] you being here and being an active part

[1:53] of our government of city government.

[1:55] It's important that you're here and we once again we appreciate you being

[1:59] here. Uh we have a busy schedule

[2:01] tonight. This is the regularly scheduled

[2:03] meeting of the Kingman City Council held

[2:06] at 5:00 p.m. on Tuesday, October 6,

[2:08] 2026. I'd like to turn some time over to

[2:10] our city clerk.

[2:13] >> Mayor Watkins

[2:14] >> present.

[2:15] >> Vice Mayor Samley

[2:16] >> here. Council member Dykins

[2:18] >> here.

[2:18] >> Council member Savage

[2:19] >> here.

[2:20] >> Council member Staley

[2:21] >> present.

[2:21] >> Council member Walker is excused this

[2:23] evening. Council member Ward

[2:25] >> here.

[2:25] >> We have a quorum.

[2:26] >> Thank you, Annie. Our in we would like

[2:29] to invite those who would like to stand

[2:31] with us for our invocation which will be

[2:33] given by Pastor Michael Bell of King

[2:36] Manazarine Church after which we will

[2:37] have the pledge of allegiance.

[2:43] Good afternoon. Let us pray.

[2:47] Heavenly Father, you have been our

[2:48] hiding place and our protector

[2:50] throughout all generations.

[2:52] And we stand before you this day to ask

[2:54] for your hand of blessing upon this city

[2:56] board, its workers, and the inhabitants

[3:00] of our city.

[3:02] Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, guide

[3:04] these your servants and give them your

[3:05] wisdom today. Help them to lead with

[3:08] wisdom and strength. Be their light and

[3:10] guide today. Bless us now, Almighty God.

[3:14] In the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus

[3:17] Christ, I pray. Amen.

[3:19] >> Amen.

[3:20] >> I will lead us in pledge of allegiance.

[3:22] I pledge algiance to the flag of the

[3:25] United States of America and to the

[3:28] republic for which it stands, one nation

[3:32] under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[3:35] justice for all.

[3:37] >> All right. Thank you.

[3:41] And I also would like to just rem

[3:43] recognize those who might be watching

[3:45] our YouTube channel uh of the

[3:47] proceedings of city council. The council

[3:50] may go into executive session for legal

[3:52] counsel in accordance with ARS

[3:53] 38-431.03A3

[3:57] to discuss any agenda items. The

[3:59] following items may be discussed,

[4:00] considered, and decisions made relating

[4:02] there too. We have uh three agenda um

[4:05] awards recognitions that we would in

[4:07] proclamations that we would like to read

[4:09] tonight and share with the public. Our

[4:12] first one is uh 1a a proclamation of

[4:15] community planning month and this is

[4:17] recognizing our community our planning

[4:19] department. I'd like to read this.

[4:23] Whereas change is constant and affects

[4:25] all cities, towns, suburbs, counties,

[4:28] burrows, townships, rural areas, and

[4:30] other places. And planners can help

[4:32] navigate this this change with

[4:34] data-driven insights and expertise that

[4:37] provide better choices for how people

[4:39] work and live. And community planning in

[4:42] provides an opportunity for all

[4:43] residents to be meaningful meaningfully

[4:45] involved in making choices that

[4:47] determine the future of their community.

[4:50] And the full benefits of planning

[4:52] require public elected and appointed

[4:54] officials who understand, support, and

[4:57] demand excellence in planning and plan

[5:00] imple implementation.

[5:02] And the month of October is designated

[5:05] as national community planning month

[5:07] throughout the United States of America

[5:08] and its territories. And the American

[5:11] Planning Association endorses National

[5:13] Community Planning Month as an

[5:15] opportunity to highlight how planning is

[5:17] essential to every community and how

[5:19] planners are uniquely positioned to

[5:21] identify solutions to communities most

[5:23] difficult house most difficult housing,

[5:25] transportation, and land use questions.

[5:29] And the celebration of National

[5:31] Community Planning Month gives us the

[5:32] opportunity to publicly recognize the participation and dedication of

[5:37] appointed planning commission members

[5:40] who have contributed their time and

[5:42] expertise to the improvement of the city

[5:44] of Kingman. And whereas we recognize the

[5:47] many valuable contributions made by the

[5:49] professional community and regional

[5:52] planners of the city of Kingman and

[5:54] extend our heartfelt thanks for the

[5:56] continued commitment to public service

[5:58] by these professionals. Now therefore,

[6:00] I, Ken Watkins, mayor of the city of

[6:02] Kingman, do proclaim the month of

[6:03] October 2026,

[6:06] community planning month. in conjunction

[6:08] with the celebration of national

[6:10] community community planning month and

[6:12] in doing so so urge the residents of our

[6:14] community to join us as we participate

[6:17] in community planning month activities.

[6:19] Of course, it's signed by myself and

[6:21] witnessed by our city clerk Annie

[6:23] Meredith. And once again, we'd like to

[6:25] recognize our team that works for the

[6:26] city um in our development services

[6:30] department and for all that they do. Um

[6:33] Jason,

[6:35] there you are.

[6:37] and and and yours associated counsel.

[6:40] We'd like to come up for a and get a

[6:43] picture here.

[6:49] » And of course, our planning and zoning

[6:51] commission as I mentioned in the

[7:03] » I'll hang with you.

[7:08] Okay, actually you guys should be we'll

[7:10] hold it all together. How's that?

[7:12] >> There we go.

[7:18] » You got it, Sarah.

[7:31] » Thank you.

[7:34] >> [applause]

[7:38] » Good to see you as always. How are you?

[7:55] These proclamations are always fun and I

[7:58] appreciate the opportunity that we have

[7:59] to recognize the different um

[8:01] organizations in our city and what they

[8:03] do for our city. Secondly, we have

[8:07] um Golden Eagle Young Marines

[8:10] Day proclamation.

[8:13] Whereas the Young Marines is a

[8:15] nationally nonprofit youth education and

[8:17] service program focused on the mental,

[8:19] moral and physical development of its

[8:21] members. The local Golden Eagle Young

[8:24] Marines unit provides vital structure,

[8:27] mentorship, and leadership opportunities

[8:29] to young people across Mojave County,

[8:31] actively drawing its youth membership

[8:33] from Kingman, Bullhead City, and Golden

[8:36] Valley.

[8:37] And under the dedicated leadership of

[8:40] that unit commander Jessica an an R

[8:42] River Ria and a team of adult

[8:44] volunteers. This regional unit instills

[8:46] the core values of leadership,

[8:49] discipline, teamwork, and civil respons

[8:51] civic responsibility,

[8:53] preparing area youth to become

[8:55] productive citizens and future leaders.

[8:58] The Golden Eagle Young Marines actively

[9:00] advocate for a healthy, drug-free

[9:02] lifestyle across these tri-state

[9:05] communities, leading by example and

[9:08] encouraging their peers to make

[9:09] positive, life affirming choices.

[9:12] And whereas the members and adult

[9:14] leaders of this unit consistently

[9:16] dedicate their time to vital public

[9:17] service, this includes supporting area

[9:20] veterans, honoring country and community

[9:23] and local civic events, and leading

[9:25] community services projects across the

[9:28] region. The city of Kingman desires to

[9:30] recognize the exceptional character,

[9:32] regional impact, and patriotism

[9:35] demonstrated by these young citizens and

[9:37] their adult leadership. And now

[9:39] therefore, I Ken Watkins, mayor of the

[9:41] city of Kingman, do proclaim October

[9:44] 17th, 2026

[9:46] as Golden Eagle Young Marines Day in the

[9:49] city of Kingman and call upon upon all

[9:52] citizens to commend these young leaders

[9:54] from Kingman, Bullhead City, and Golden

[9:57] Valley for their outstanding service to

[9:59] our community and country. And of

[10:01] course, signed by myself and our

[10:03] witnessed by our city clerk, Annie

[10:04] Meredith. Once again, I appreciate the

[10:07] young Marines and all they do. Um, in

[10:09] fact, they this last Saturday had their

[10:12] annual birthday party and had invited me

[10:16] to be their guest of honor. And of

[10:18] course, I was pleasure had it was a

[10:20] great pleasure to be there. And we have

[10:22] some here today. And so, if we could

[10:24] council, if we could get a photo with um

[10:26] those who are here as far as

[10:28] representing young Marines.

[10:50] of the evening right here.

[10:52] >> There we go.

[11:03] Perfect.

[11:11] » Okay.

[11:15] [applause]

[11:35] Okay, our third proclamation is for the

[11:36] Kingman Cancer Awareness Month. And I'd

[11:39] like to actually turn this over to our

[11:40] vice mayor.

[11:43] Give her anyway, she does a great job

[11:45] doing these presentations also. So,

[11:47] >> thank you.

[11:49] It is uh my great pleasure to read the

[11:52] uh proclamation for the Kingman cancer

[11:54] awareness month. Whereas the mission of

[11:57] the Kingman cancer care unit is to

[11:59] provide financial aid and mor moral

[12:01] support to the patient and their family.

[12:03] They are an organized group of

[12:05] volunteers who educate the community on

[12:07] available resources to control cancer.

[12:10] And whereas the Cayman cancer care unit

[12:13] is dedicated to informing and reminding

[12:15] the population of the facts about

[12:18] cancer, its early detection, its prompt

[12:21] treatment by competent medical methods,

[12:23] and its prevention where practicable and

[12:26] whereas the Kingman cancer care unit

[12:29] assists patients with transportation,

[12:31] out of town room and board, personal

[12:33] equipment, health equipment, and other

[12:35] emergency assistance. Whereas these are

[12:38] just a few of the many ways the Kingman

[12:40] Care Cancer Care Unit services the needs

[12:43] of the Kingman of Kingman and the

[12:45] vicinity. Now therefore, Mr. Ken

[12:48] Watkins, Mayor does here by proclaim the

[12:52] month of October 20 2026 as Kingman

[12:56] Cancer Awareness Month in Kingman,

[12:58] Arizona. Furthermore, because early

[13:00] diagnosis of cancer can make a

[13:02] tremendous difference in the course of

[13:04] one's life, we all urge the citizens of

[13:07] Kingman and the vicinity to take

[13:09] advantage of the services offered by the

[13:11] Kingman cancer care unit. In witness

[13:14] whereof, uh he has set his hand uh to

[13:18] the seal of the city of Kingman uh Mayor

[13:21] Ken Watkins and attested by our clerk

[13:23] Annie Meredith. If you will, uh, Claire,

[13:26] did you want to say a few words about

[13:28] the cancer care unit or we can just do a

[13:30] photo? It's up to you. Okay, great. If

[13:32] you'll join join us down there, that's

[13:34] great.

[13:36] >> And just so you know, vice mayor wore

[13:39] her beautiful pink shoes today.

[13:41] >> You did. And I wore my pink tie because

[13:43] once again, we appreciate all that our

[13:45] cancer care unit does.

[13:47] >> There you go.

[13:56] Yeah.

[14:05] » I will help this young lady up.

[14:07] >> Thank you.

[14:07] >> There you go.

[14:11] » I forgot to wear my pink shoes, but Oh,

[14:13] I love your pink shoes.

[14:16] >> I know.

[14:17] >> You're gonna You're competing with the

[14:18] vice mayor in her pink shoes.

[14:21] You want to be in the middle right

[14:22] behind us.

[14:29] » Get her shoes in the picture, too.

[14:31] >> We'll help you.

[14:32] >> There you go.

[14:42] » Sorry.

[14:50] » [laughter]

[14:51] >> sometimes.

[14:57] Got it.

[14:59] >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank

[15:00] you, sir.

[15:01] >> Okay. [applause]

[15:18] » I know. Miss you. A thank you.

[15:22] >> Ah, thank you so much.

[15:24] >> I know.

[15:31] » Thank you.

[15:32] >> Appreciate all you do.

[15:33] >> Thank you, mayor.

[15:35] >> See you.

[15:42] » Thank you again. Thank you, sir.

[15:43] Appreciate it.

[15:44] >> Your honor.

[15:45] >> Oh, no.

[15:52] I know.

[16:04] » Thank you, Vice Mayor. She does an

[16:06] eloquent job doing that and that's why I

[16:08] wanted to share with her. So,

[16:13] [applause]

[16:15] >> okay, moving on to our agenda. Item

[16:17] number two, call to the public. Comments

[16:19] from the public. Those wishing to

[16:21] address the council should fill out

[16:22] request forms in advance. Comments from

[16:25] the public will be restricted to items

[16:26] not on the agenda with the exception of

[16:29] those on the consent agenda. There will

[16:31] be no comments allowed that advertise

[16:33] for a particular person or group.

[16:35] Comments should be limited to no longer

[16:37] than 3 minutes. The council may not

[16:40] respond to speakers during the call to

[16:42] the public. The council may direct the

[16:44] city manager to study the matter or

[16:46] request that the matter be placed on a

[16:47] future agenda. We have a number of of

[16:50] you citizens that have signed up to

[16:52] speak and we appreciate you being here

[16:53] to do and share your thoughts. First,

[16:56] we'd like to ask Mr. um Angelos

[16:59] Shakapalos.

[17:04] » Okay. [laughter]

[17:07] Would you like to come forward, please?

[17:16] So, is it Angel?

[17:17] >> Well, they call me Angel, but it's

[17:19] actually it's um Angelos.

[17:21] >> Angelos, right?

[17:22] >> Angel is much better.

[17:25] >> Welcome.

[17:25] >> Thank you for having me tonight. Um I'm

[17:30] here tonight because I would like to

[17:31] invite all you guys to our grand opening

[17:36] um in November 5th. And this is a uh

[17:41] ground opening. We are going to break

[17:43] the ground to build our uh homes for our

[17:47] veterans. There'll be 71 homes. And um

[17:52] this is a wonderful wonderful thing for

[17:54] our veterans that um have nowhere to go.

[17:58] So I I brought some invitations and

[18:02] everyone in this room is also welcome to

[18:05] come and watch this wonderful God-given

[18:08] gift that we have gotten for the Kingman

[18:13] people.

[18:14] >> Remind us what the name of that is going

[18:15] to be called something village.

[18:17] >> I'm sorry.

[18:18] >> What's the name of that that going to

[18:19] be? It's on over on Sunshine.

[18:21] >> Yeah, it's called the um Commons.

[18:25] Um, oh, thank you. I'm sorry I dropped

[18:29] it.

[18:32] Anyway, um, yeah, so it's open to the

[18:36] public. Like I said, we're going to have

[18:38] food and, uh, there'll be some, uh, very

[18:40] important people there that, um, you

[18:43] know, would like to find out what we are

[18:45] up to with our veterans, past and

[18:48] present, and future home for them. So,

[18:50] here's the here's the invitations for

[18:53] you guys. and also um everyone in this

[18:57] room is invited as well. Thank you. God

[18:59] bless.

[19:00] >> Thank you, Angelos.

[19:01] >> Thank you. [applause]

[19:05] And

[19:05] >> of course,

[19:08] the Jerry Ambrose Veteran Center and

[19:09] everybody calls it the JABC does a lot

[19:12] for our community, especially for our

[19:13] veterans. So, this will be an amazing

[19:16] thing to do.

[19:20] Sally

[19:22] >> [laughter]

[19:24] >> Who who that globe?

[19:26] >> Logan.

[19:27] >> Okay. Thanks, Sally.

[19:29] >> I'm not sure exactly right, but we'll

[19:32] go. I just wanted to kind of address you

[19:35] as a participant at the senior center,

[19:38] adult center, and to say um that it is

[19:42] still going on. It is still strong and

[19:46] that uh we enjoy that. And we want to

[19:49] invite all seniors and adults to join us

[19:53] there for everything from dancing to

[19:56] singing to to arts to crafts and all of

[20:00] that. And it is still going well. So

[20:03] thank you very much. Thank you, Sally.

[20:09] [applause]

[20:11] » Terresa Roundy.

[20:20] Mayor, Council, it is an honor to

[20:22] address my hometown community as I

[20:24] prepare for an upcoming public debate.

[20:27] Because this is the community where I

[20:29] first experienced public speaking and

[20:31] student council, I find it fitting to

[20:34] practice here in the safety of my

[20:36] hometown. As we learn more about recent

[20:39] events surrounding

[20:41] the count uh the Cornell 57, our leaders

[20:45] must address why students are graduating

[20:48] without the critical skills needed to

[20:50] resist systematic hierarchy and

[20:53] codependency.

[20:55] Additionally,

[20:56] coercive control and domestic abuse

[20:58] remain paramount concerns that every

[21:01] state and local school superintendent

[21:03] must address directly. These issues are

[21:06] closely linked to family estrangement, a

[21:09] reality experienced by one in four

[21:11] Americans. Furthermore, 22.5% of

[21:15] Americans have been alienated from

[21:17] family attachments without due process

[21:21] or sufficient evidence in family court.

[21:25] There is a 2025 Idaho judicial report

[21:29] and it's the first in the nation on this

[21:32] national and worldwide issue to ensure

[21:35] the safety of our children and families.

[21:38] Meaningful conversations are essential

[21:40] to drive real change. Child suicide is

[21:45] now the second leading cause of death

[21:47] among youth. And our children deserve

[21:50] leaders who will address root causes.

[21:54] such as the malicious severing of family

[21:56] attachments occurring at an 82%

[21:59] rate which places families at the

[22:02] highest risk rate for suicide.

[22:06] Family safety is paramount with family

[22:08] estrangement affecting so many

[22:11] institutions and third-party care

[22:14] facilities must not facilitate

[22:17] estrangement within vulnerable families.

[22:20] This issue must be addressed not only in

[22:22] our school district but across elder

[22:24] care to ensure the family unit remains a

[22:27] top priority. We must protect the

[22:31] constitutional rights of parent child

[22:34] bonds and prevent institutions and care

[22:37] facilities from participating in

[22:40] dynamics that sever these vital

[22:42] attachments.

[22:45] You know, a study just came out on

[22:49] grandparents, you know, being estranged

[22:52] from their grandkids and that that

[22:54] causes them to die sooner. That goes in

[22:58] line with another study found that when

[23:00] children are severed from attachment, it

[23:03] reorgani reorganizes every cell in their

[23:06] body for less life expectancy. Child SA

[23:10] does not do that, but Family Court is

[23:13] doing that to children. I hope to have

[23:15] my hometown support in spirit as I

[23:18] continue advocating for the protection

[23:20] of children and families in our nation.

[23:22] Thank you very much.

[23:23] >> Thank you, Teresa.

[23:25] [applause]

[23:30] » Mr. Robert Tally,

[23:34] I'm sorry, Robert Thally.

[23:43] » [clears throat]

[23:43] >> This is not just for you. It's people.

[23:45] >> Be sure to speak into the mic so

[23:47] everybody can hear. But you they'll hear you. They just

[23:49] >> you have to face the

[23:50] >> You need to face us because the camera

[23:52] is on.

[23:53] >> Good morning, Mr. Mayor, members of the

[23:56] council,

[23:58] and fellow citizens,

[24:01] all of you

[24:03] American patriots.

[24:08] We all feel the weariness of uh modern

[24:15] uh public discourse.

[24:18] turn on the uh turn on the uh turn on

[24:22] the just turn on the news and open your

[24:25] or open your phone and

[24:28] we see a landscape of divided partisan

[24:34] fighting,

[24:36] tribal noise and endless

[24:41] and and endless uh and an endless spine.

[24:45] It feels like we are constantly being

[24:49] pushed into opposing corners, leaving

[24:53] many of leaving many of us wondering

[24:56] where the where the truth went and where

[24:59] our domestic tranquility has gone.

[25:04] People all across our our community and

[25:08] our country feel this in in our in their

[25:11] hearts every day.

[25:14] We sense the we we sense this ability.

[25:17] We sense the dis the lack of ability to

[25:20] fix it.

[25:22] The solution isn't about choosing a

[25:26] political side.

[25:28] It's about returning to the na to the n

[25:31] to the neutral ground.

[25:34] That is why I am here tonight to

[25:38] advocate for a vital forward-looking

[25:42] step, a 28th amendment for the digital

[25:46] age.

[25:48] Just as our founders established constit

[25:53] structural

[25:54] protections to guard our basic liberties

[26:00] centuries ago. We now need we now need a

[26:05] long uh we now need a a nonpartisan

[26:09] constitutional framework that guarantees

[26:12] neutrality.

[26:14] Fairness and truth are the digital

[26:18] information infrastructure.

[26:21] True reform doesn't start at the top. It

[26:26] starts at the bottom. It starts with us,

[26:30] we the people.

[26:32] a local community

[26:35] planner, city planners,

[26:37] and people just like the council that is

[26:40] before you. Ladies and gentlemen,

[26:43] >> Mr. Tally, you're out of time.

[26:46] >> Thank you.

[26:48] [applause]

[26:52] » I have copies for anybody that would

[26:54] like one.

[26:56] >> Mr. Steven Robinson.

[27:07] Stephen Robinson, Golden Valley,

[27:09] Arizona. Many of you know me. I've been

[27:11] working hard on elections for over 15

[27:13] years. I have monitored the elections

[27:16] here in Mojave County and Arizona since

[27:18] 2010 and across this nation since 96.

[27:22] Our vote right to vote is one of the

[27:25] most sacred privileges we have that I

[27:28] encourage everyone regardless of party

[27:30] to exercise.

[27:32] So that's why it pains me to bring up

[27:34] this issue that this council approved

[27:36] some time ago which was basically to

[27:39] restrict

[27:40] free speech and not allow signs where

[27:44] they should be allowed. I've traveled

[27:46] all over the state. I was just in of

[27:49] Scottsdale last week and Scottsdale Road

[27:52] is the busiest road in Maricopa County

[27:56] and there is not one, not two, but six

[27:58] or eight signs at every corner

[28:02] of Scottsdale Road and in Glendale,

[28:07] everywhere else it's like that. So the

[28:09] rule or the opinion that was given to

[28:11] you and you voted for it to restrict the

[28:13] signs on Scottsdale on Airway

[28:17] which are not tourist areas. They're not

[28:20] hotel areas. They're business areas

[28:22] where people go.

[28:24] It doesn't technically violate the

[28:27] letter of the law, which is going to be

[28:29] changed this next session, I promise

[28:31] you. But it does violate the spirit of

[28:34] the law to not allow signs on those

[28:37] areas. It's it is a form of voter

[28:39] suppression by not allowing signs where

[28:42] they should be. I have worked for years

[28:46] getting out the vote, knocking on doors.

[28:48] Even though I live in Golden Valley, I

[28:50] probably spent more time in Kingman than

[28:52] I have at home because I've worked for

[28:54] the party. I've worked for knocking on

[28:56] doors to get people out to vote. So

[29:00] voting and uh participation in the

[29:03] electoral process is very important to

[29:05] me and I think you should review that

[29:08] sign because or that ordinance that says

[29:10] no signs on those streets because it

[29:13] violates the spirit of the law and soon

[29:16] hopefully this next year our state

[29:18] senator will make sure it violates the

[29:20] letter of the law for the future. Thank

[29:22] you. And I hope everyone here gets out

[29:25] to vote April or before November 3rd and

[29:28] no later than November 3rd unless you're

[29:30] of the other party.

[29:34] >> Thank you, Steve. [applause]

[29:40] That is it for our call to the public. I

[29:43] did want to mention, I should have

[29:44] mentioned at the beginning of the

[29:45] meeting that on our agenda, items 4 A

[29:48] and 4 C have been pulled from tonight's

[29:51] agenda and they might come up at a later

[29:54] date. Thank you. So, moving on. Item

[29:56] three, consent agenda. All matters

[29:58] listed here are considered to be routine

[30:00] by the city council and will be enacted

[30:02] by one motion. There will be no separate

[30:05] discussion of these items. If discussion

[30:07] is desired, that item will be removed

[30:09] from the consent agenda and will be

[30:11] considered separately. Council, we have

[30:13] items 3 A through H. Is there anything

[30:17] that needs to be pulled or discussed?

[30:21] >> Okay, seeing none, can we have a motion

[30:23] then approving our consent agenda item

[30:26] three?

[30:26] >> So move.

[30:27] >> I'll second.

[30:28] >> We have a motion and a second. All those

[30:29] in favor say I.

[30:31] >> I.

[30:32] >> Any opposed? Thank you.

[30:35] Item four B, approval of resolution

[30:40] number 5640, intergovernmental agreement

[30:42] with Mojave County for yellow bus route

[30:45] funding. During the city of Kingman

[30:47] annual budgeting process, it was

[30:49] determined that potential reductions in

[30:51] the Kingman area regional transit cart

[30:54] system would be needed. The cart yellow

[30:57] bus route, which primarily services

[30:59] multiple stops in the county north of

[31:00] Kingman,

[31:02] was recommended for reduction. In order

[31:04] to keep the yellow rat in operation,

[31:06] Mojave County has committed $30,000 in

[31:09] funding through June 30th, 2027.

[31:12] Staff recommends approval.

[31:15] Manager Walsh.

[31:16] >> Yes, sir. I'll take it. Um, so with

[31:18] this, as you mentioned, uh, we've been

[31:21] working with a number of stakeholders to

[31:22] try and generate funding to maintain the

[31:25] yellow route. Uh, Mojave County has

[31:27] committed $30,000 through, um, June 30th

[31:31] of 2027. And this basically authorizes

[31:35] that payment.

[31:37] >> Any questions for Tim? Pretty

[31:40] straightforward. We're thankful that the

[31:41] county is willing to do that and to help

[31:45] of course not just the citizens that

[31:47] live in the Kingman city Kingman city

[31:50] limits but also out on the county. It's

[31:52] a great move. Um is there any other

[31:54] comments or questions from council?

[31:57] Okay. Seeing none, can we have a motion

[31:58] then approving item 4B, approval of

[32:01] resolution number 5640.

[32:03] >> So moved.

[32:04] >> Second.

[32:05] >> We have a motion. We have a second. All

[32:07] those in favor say I.

[32:08] >> I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank

[32:11] you. Item number five, department

[32:13] reports 5A, Katherine Hidenrich Adult

[32:16] Center update.

[32:18] Welcome, Tina.

[32:23] » Thank you so much, Mayor, Vice Mayor,

[32:25] and council members.

[32:28] Uh, tonight is a little bit of a twofold

[32:30] department report. I'm going to give a

[32:32] couple of slide presentation to share a

[32:35] little bit about the history of the

[32:37] agreement that we have in place with the

[32:39] center and what our current agreement

[32:43] covers, a little bit about the

[32:44] responsibilities of each of the parties,

[32:46] what the funding looks like. And then we

[32:48] also have with us this evening, we have

[32:50] the executive current executive director

[32:52] with the center as well as two of their

[32:54] board members. and the vice president,

[32:57] Marty Edwards, uh will uh is more than

[33:00] happy to approach once I've completed my

[33:03] presentation to answer any additional

[33:04] questions that you might have. You do

[33:06] have before you a packet that they have

[33:08] prepared with quite a bit of

[33:10] information. So, uh they would certainly

[33:12] be willing to answer any questions on

[33:14] that, too.

[33:32] All right,

[33:35] Erin, are you helping me out down there?

[33:44] Thank you.

[33:46] [clears throat] All right, so a little

[33:48] bit about the history of the agreement.

[33:49] So from the 1990s until 2013, the city

[33:53] actually provided the adult center with

[33:56] a recreation coordinator, two part-time

[33:58] employees, and we also stored a vehicle

[34:02] there. But beginning in 2013, we know

[34:04] what happened during that time. So the

[34:06] city was looking to save some monies and

[34:09] decided to no longer provide the people

[34:12] for the facility, but did offer to

[34:14] contribute $57,000 annually towards uh

[34:18] towards the program. specifically

[34:20] towards the people costs.

[34:30] So the current agreement, what are the

[34:32] key terms and conditions of the current

[34:33] agreement? The current the current

[34:34] agreement is actually very simple. The

[34:36] current agreement became effective in

[34:38] July of last year. It runs for 5 years

[34:40] through June 30th of 2030. It could be

[34:43] terminated any time with I believe it's

[34:45] 60 days notice. It does provide for

[34:48] $57,000 in annual funding. So again,

[34:51] that amount was was um provided to them

[34:54] back in 2013 and has stayed the same

[34:56] since that since that time. And funding

[34:58] is contingent on the city's available

[35:01] funds.

[35:04] So what are the responsibilities for

[35:06] each of the parties? The adult center

[35:08] will use our funds to hire at least two

[35:11] employees to manage the activities. They

[35:14] will provide quarterly spending reports.

[35:16] And by spending reports, I mean the

[35:18] payroll reports because that's all that

[35:20] we're providing funding for. So that's

[35:21] all that we would require. And they

[35:24] would need to provide financial

[35:26] documents relating to that payroll,

[35:28] additional financial documents than what

[35:30] they provide in the event we wanted to

[35:32] perform some sort of financial review.

[35:35] And then they would need to provide an

[35:37] account of any unexpended funds, which

[35:40] you'll see in a later slide that that is

[35:41] not the case. What is the city of

[35:44] Kingman's responsibilities? To pay that

[35:45] $57,000 on a quarterly basis. We provide

[35:50] that funding subject to the availability

[35:51] of the funds and then we would notify

[35:54] the adult center if there was a budget

[35:56] shortfall. Now, the quarterly spending

[35:59] reports, just so you are aware, we

[36:01] receive those via email prior to us

[36:03] issuing that quarterly installment.

[36:08] So, just to provide some background on

[36:11] what our costs actually cover and

[36:13] whether or not it actually does fully

[36:15] support the payroll costs of the

[36:18] facility. So, in the quarterly reports,

[36:21] they provide quite a bit of detail, but

[36:22] I've summarized that here for you. And

[36:24] you'll see down here where it says total

[36:26] payroll expenses for the center is about

[36:29] $79,000.

[36:31] The city provides $57,000.

[36:33] And the payroll expenses that are not

[36:35] covered by us would be about $22,000. So

[36:38] they have to find some sort of funding

[36:39] source to cover those additional

[36:40] expenses.

[36:43] And that is as simplistic as the

[36:45] agreement currently is. But I can

[36:47] certainly answer any questions about the

[36:49] agreement before I invite uh Vice

[36:52] President uh Marty to the podium.

[36:55] >> Council, any questions for Tina?

[36:58] >> Okay. Thank you, Tina.

[36:59] >> Okay. Wonderful. Thank you so much.

[37:06] And we have executive director Kesha

[37:08] Davis as well.

[37:14] [applause]

[37:16] >> Ladies, welcome.

[37:17] >> Hello.

[37:17] >> Good afternoon, city Kingman board and

[37:20] council members. My name is Kesha Davis.

[37:22] I'm the executive director at the

[37:24] Katherine Heinrich Adult Center here in

[37:25] Kingman.

[37:26] >> Kesha, hold on one second. Could you

[37:27] ladies switch so you're talking more

[37:28] into the mic?

[37:30] >> That'd be great. Thank you.

[37:32] All right. I have here with me Marty

[37:34] Adams, board vice president, as well as

[37:36] Tara Anderson, board president, as well

[37:39] as a few other members of our board, our

[37:41] center coordinator, Ashley is here, and

[37:43] a few members that just love the center

[37:45] and wanted to be here to

[37:49] witness, I guess, what's going on. Um, I

[37:51] put together a packet of documents and

[37:53] information to provide you with a better

[37:55] understanding of how we operate on a

[37:56] daily and yearly basis. The information

[37:59] included is intended to give you a

[38:01] clearer picture of our responsibilities,

[38:03] procedures, operations, and the many

[38:05] factors that go into managing our center

[38:06] and keeping it in a positive standing.

[38:09] My goal in providing this information is

[38:11] to ensure you have the essential

[38:13] background to help understand our

[38:15] day-to-day affairs of our operations. My

[38:17] hopes are this will help support

[38:18] informed decisions, decision making, and

[38:21] communication between our organization

[38:23] and the city and concerned citizens.

[38:26] This packet is intended to serve as a

[38:27] helpful reference and provide context

[38:29] for the work we do each day and

[38:31] throughout the year. [clears throat]

[38:32] Sorry. Thank you for taking your time to

[38:34] review this information. I appreciate

[38:36] your consideration and commitment to our

[38:39] company and understand the operations

[38:41] and responsibilities involved.

[38:44] >> Okay.

[38:44] >> Sorry.

[38:46] >> Thank you.

[38:46] >> It's okay.

[38:47] >> Okay.

[38:48] >> This

[38:50] Thank you, Mayor Watkins and city

[38:52] council members. I would like to

[38:54] introduce myself to you. I'm Marty Adams

[38:57] and I came here 40 years ago when my

[39:00] husband was hired by the city of Kingman

[39:03] and he served with our community for

[39:06] over 25 years. He was the director of

[39:09] recreation and aquatics and during that

[39:12] time we served a lot of people and one

[39:16] of the organizations that he was in

[39:18] charge of was the Katherine Heidenrike

[39:20] adult center. When the ca when the city

[39:22] had taken it over he supervised he

[39:25] worked with the council at that time and

[39:27] with the county and intergovernmental

[39:29] agreements and things like that to

[39:31] ensure that we understood what we would

[39:34] be doing and what the county would be

[39:36] doing. So, I have kind of a long history

[39:38] and I know a lot about what's going on

[39:41] and what's happened at the center, which

[39:43] brings us to why we're here today. In

[39:46] June, we had a little situation that

[39:49] happened when our director voluntarily

[39:52] resigned. And that is your first letter

[39:55] that you have in your packet. And during

[39:57] that time, it seemed like there was a

[40:00] division. And of course, people build

[40:02] their armies. And we have people that

[40:04] were on our side. We had people that

[40:06] were on the other side.

[40:08] Sometimes rumors go around and things

[40:11] get said and they are not true. And so

[40:14] I'm here to clear up some of that

[40:16] information and some of those rumors

[40:17] that went around. So um I do want to

[40:21] answer the question to you that or point

[40:24] out one other thing to you. The second

[40:26] page is a letter from an our one of our

[40:28] accountants and she has given us a clear

[40:32] standing. We have provided taxes. We

[40:34] have provided all the information to the

[40:37] IRS. We are a 501c3. We meet all of

[40:40] those qualifications. We are in good

[40:43] standing with the corporation

[40:44] commission. So, nothing is out of order.

[40:47] We have always been able to maintain

[40:50] payroll and we have always been able to

[40:53] maintain the quality and the quantity of

[40:55] services we're providing to the seniors

[40:58] and to the other population of Kingman.

[41:01] We have Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts that

[41:03] come and use our facility and we do that

[41:05] free of charge. We have organizations

[41:08] and they're outlined in your packet as

[41:10] well that come and use our facility. The

[41:13] Kingman Cancer Care Unit, the

[41:15] Gemstoners, we have a whole plethora and

[41:18] we have people coming and going every

[41:21] single day in that facility. We used to

[41:24] be closed on Wednesdays when COVID hit,

[41:27] but we're open. We have plenty of things

[41:30] going on and we are creating new

[41:33] programs. We do have two employees. It

[41:38] used to be

[41:40] one full-time and two part-time, but now

[41:44] we have one full-time, Quesa, and we

[41:47] have one part-time,

[41:49] um, Ashley, and we have one employee

[41:52] that we have uh, under a 1099 form, and

[41:56] he helps us out with special projects.

[41:58] If we have to set tables up for arts and

[42:01] crafts fairs, if we have things that

[42:03] need to go on, maintenance issues, we

[42:05] have that covered. So, we're fulfilling

[42:07] our obligation and we also report to you

[42:10] quarterly about our payroll and we um

[42:14] are kind of thinking that we're going to

[42:15] give you a little more information about

[42:17] some of the other things that are going

[42:19] on there and um just so you're appraised

[42:22] of that so you know where the money is

[42:24] going and how good it is it is. But I do

[42:28] want to share one thing with you that's

[42:30] not in your packet. And I want you to

[42:33] know that in September last month, we

[42:37] had 135 people come to our center and

[42:42] 127 of them were brand new. And now

[42:45] we're starting to get more people coming

[42:47] because the snowbirds are returning. In

[42:51] August we had uh 1,21

[42:54] people come and 107 were new. And in

[42:57] July we had 1,096 people that came and

[43:01] about 200 were new. So we're we're

[43:04] delivering services. We had provided

[43:08] dinners. Um and the the the people come

[43:12] and we have cut it off at like 40 and we

[43:15] have continued that. We're our next

[43:18] dinner is going to be for Halloween and

[43:20] we're going to do a salad bar and have

[43:22] spooky foods and spooky soups and stuff

[43:24] like that and that's open to the public.

[43:28] Um, in an email that we did receive from

[43:32] the city that did pose a couple of

[43:34] questions and I want to answer those to

[43:36] you. So, first of all, none of our board

[43:40] members are paid. So, I don't know where

[43:43] that came from, but as a 501c3, we do

[43:46] not distribute any profits because we

[43:48] really don't have any profits.

[43:50] Everything goes back into our programs.

[43:52] Okay. Um, we do have the um employees,

[43:56] you know, that. And I want you to know

[43:59] that we've had people that have

[44:01] challenged us with open meeting. We are

[44:04] not a government entity. We do not have

[44:06] to abide by that part of the law. But

[44:09] what we do is we used to meet every

[44:12] other Wednesday or every other month,

[44:14] but now we're meeting every month. And

[44:17] what we're doing is if somebody would

[44:20] like to come and talk to us and present

[44:22] a topic, we will have them go to Quesa,

[44:26] they can talk to Quesa and then we can

[44:30] talk about them to come. Um about two

[44:34] board meetings ago, we had people come

[44:36] that were very angry and upset and they

[44:39] brought tape recorders and they taped

[44:41] us. They took pictures of us. They wrote

[44:44] every little thing down that we did. And

[44:47] we were kind of taken back by that

[44:49] because we've never had that kind of

[44:51] interest before. It's been pretty

[44:53] mundane. Just try to keep the center

[44:55] going, know what the budget is, that

[44:57] kind of thing. So, we were kind of taken

[44:59] back, but we've got a little policy in

[45:01] place together now and a procedure and

[45:04] that's what mainly our board meetings

[45:06] are about now because we're getting up

[45:08] to date with policies, procedures,

[45:11] safety things, AEDs to make sure that

[45:13] the participants that come are very well

[45:16] taken care of and we do have it in place

[45:19] and we have had medical emergencies, but

[45:22] we've made been able to call 911 and get

[45:25] people there and we are going to get

[45:27] some people trained in. So, we're

[45:29] becoming a better setter for the

[45:31] citizens of Kingman all the time. And I

[45:34] don't know who decided to send some

[45:37] rumors around that we're not doing our

[45:39] job, but boy, we sure are. We have great

[45:42] board members, Robin Gordon, who used to

[45:44] be on the city council. She's one of our

[45:46] board members. One of our volunteers is

[45:49] Jud Judge Khan. He comes every once a

[45:52] month on Friday nights and he does

[45:54] movies. uh movies, old movies. He has

[45:58] his narrative and you know what that can

[46:00] be like. But we have people that come in

[46:03] and really enjoy that kind of thing. And

[46:05] we're going to be doing other arts and

[46:07] crafts classes. We are going to kind of

[46:09] be innovative. We're going to do bingo size where we're going to play

[46:14] bingo and do exercises. So some of the

[46:18] people would come and get going with

[46:19] that because we know that that's a need.

[46:22] But that's kind of where we're at with

[46:23] that. And I think I've pretty much

[46:25] answered the questions that have been

[46:27] posed to the council by the council to

[46:30] us and I don't know if you have any

[46:32] other questions for us.

[46:35] >> Okay, Marty Kesha, thank you.

[46:37] >> Appreciate the report and of course more

[46:40] information about the center. I think a

[46:42] good portion of us know, but I think

[46:44] it's good once again for the public for

[46:45] everybody to have an idea of um what

[46:48] happens at the Katherryn Heinrich

[46:50] Center. And we hear good things. So,

[46:53] >> thank you. We appreciate that. So,

[46:55] council, any questions for these ladies?

[46:58] >> No,

[46:59] >> go ahead.

[46:59] >> Really?

[47:00] >> Yeah. Go ahead.

[47:01] >> Okay.

[47:01] >> Is that okay? All right. Um, thank you

[47:03] for coming in and giving us this

[47:05] information. I really appreciate it. Can

[47:07] you um just tell me a little bit about

[47:10] your board? Um, if somebody wants to be

[47:12] involved in the board, is it an open

[47:15] board?

[47:15] >> Yes.

[47:16] >> Okay. So, so if I um wanted to have more

[47:20] of a say in in how things were ran in in

[47:23] at the senior center, I I could be a

[47:25] board member and and help participate in

[47:27] that way.

[47:28] >> Absolutely. You do not have to attend

[47:31] and our our activities in order to be a

[47:34] board member. I don't

[47:36] >> Okay. Thank you. And then also um how

[47:39] does your board um do you have a process

[47:43] for taking complaints from from members?

[47:48] >> Well, you know what?

[47:51] Up until about four years ago, we never

[47:55] had complaints.

[47:56] >> And so the complaint department is me.

[48:00] So, um, people, you know, from the

[48:02] center, if they had a situation they

[48:04] wanted to bring forth, they certainly

[48:07] would call me. And I, uh, when we had

[48:10] the director before Ry, who was his

[48:12] ex-wife,

[48:14] >> we had a number of people that were not

[48:17] really happy about some of the things

[48:18] that happened during that time. So I

[48:21] compulated and uh met with John Welton

[48:26] and another board member Robin came I

[48:29] think and we would put a plan of action

[48:31] together how we were going to decide

[48:34] what we were going to do and rectify the

[48:36] situation. So we have that in place so

[48:39] we know how to do that.

[48:40] >> Okay.

[48:41] >> One other thing I want to let you know

[48:42] is about our additional funding sources.

[48:44] Okay. I'll keep this real brief. We get

[48:47] money of course from the city of Kingman

[48:50] and thank you for the funds and always

[48:52] remembering us because not too many

[48:54] other people do that. We um get $15,000

[48:59] from the hospital and we're grateful for

[49:02] that. We get private donations and I

[49:07] can't divulge all the private donations

[49:09] because I haven't asked those people if

[49:11] that's a public thing or not. But we so

[49:13] far this year we've got about $25,000 in

[49:16] public donations. We get money from our

[49:19] programs. Um we sell punch cards and our

[49:23] programs are only $2 a class and if

[49:26] somebody absolutely cannot afford that,

[49:29] we take that into consideration and

[49:32] that's kind of a confidential thing. So

[49:34] we don't ever turn anybody away. And

[49:36] then we have like arts and crafts fairs.

[49:39] We've had a car show. We've had other

[49:41] organizations that help us. They pay a

[49:44] little rent and they pay um some toward

[49:47] utilities and things like that. So, we

[49:49] have um other resources and other

[49:52] income. And I'm a grant writer and I've

[49:55] written a couple grants. So, last year

[49:57] we got a brand new freezer down there.

[50:00] And uh you know, I want to I don't want

[50:03] to say uh forget about the county

[50:05] because the county really helps us out

[50:07] too. We're on county land. Our part is

[50:11] kind of Katherine Hyere. I almost said

[50:13] the city. It's Katherine Hyenrich and

[50:16] the other part is the county and we try

[50:18] to work with them as best we can. They

[50:21] have the handicapped uh bathroom because

[50:23] we don't have it. Uh it was very costly

[50:26] for us to make the changes to

[50:27] accommodate that. So we have a ramp in

[50:29] there so people can that are ADA uh need

[50:32] to get there. So we've got that all

[50:34] taken care of.

[50:35] >> There's no locks on it? No, there's no

[50:37] locks and we're we're working out just

[50:39] fine. We've done that for years and

[50:41] we're going to continue doing that for

[50:43] years. And um I want to let you know

[50:46] that not of all of our donations are

[50:48] moneywise because the county helps us.

[50:50] We got a new floor. Um we had uh

[50:53] volunteers come in to paint and to redo

[50:55] the ceiling and anytime we really have a

[50:59] problem and need something, the county

[51:00] is right there. So, we work very well

[51:03] with them and they're very much uh

[51:05] working well with us. So, other than

[51:08] that, I think that answers most of your

[51:10] questions. And

[51:11] >> Councelor Savage had a comment next.

[51:13] Well, Jamie, are you

[51:14] >> okay, great?

[51:16] >> Thank you all for being here. I I'm

[51:19] definitely don't want to think that I'm

[51:21] a negative Nelly because I'm I'm

[51:22] definitely not. In fact, Moose Lodge, we

[51:24] did give you guys a bunch of money a few

[51:26] years ago for new flooring as well. So,

[51:28] that's not what this is about. The

[51:30] reason why

[51:32] this all started. First of all, um,

[51:35] executive director, what are your exact

[51:37] duties?

[51:40] >> Um,

[51:41] >> I'll get to my point here.

[51:42] >> So, I guess I Sorry, I'm so nervous.

[51:47] >> What do you do for work?

[51:49] >> Um, [cough] so [clears throat] I

[51:52] um like I do the board meetings.

[51:56] Um, I'm so sorry. I'm so nervous. I'll

[51:59] help y'all because she is kind of new.

[52:01] She's she's only been on

[52:03] >> I've been working here for two years as

[52:04] a center coordinator and then I got the director. So at right now I'm

[52:08] working on budgeting um the finances. I

[52:11] do director's report. Anything new? I do

[52:15] the board meetings now. Report to the

[52:17] board. I Yeah. I schedule groups. I

[52:20] schedule after hours parties, clubs,

[52:23] things like that.

[52:24] >> So you're directing?

[52:26] >> Yeah.

[52:26] >> Got it.

[52:27] >> Cool. Cool. So, you don't do any

[52:28] custodial work, do you?

[52:30] >> I mean, if I have to take out the trash

[52:31] or

[52:32] >> if you have to. Well,

[52:32] >> yeah.

[52:33] >> So, you do it all basically if if they

[52:36] needed to. Yeah.

[52:37] >> And and the relationship between the

[52:40] board and the executive director, how

[52:42] cohesive is that? How does that work

[52:44] exactly?

[52:45] >> I meet with Tara every Friday. She's the

[52:48] board president

[52:49] >> and we have a sit down meeting. Anything

[52:50] immediate, she and I handle. Anything

[52:52] that can wait for the board meeting, I

[52:54] just add it to the board.

[52:56] >> Okay.

[52:56] >> And

[52:57] >> all right. The reason why this all came

[53:00] about

[53:02] how last year we approved the next five

[53:06] years for you for you guys financially

[53:08] and it kind of

[53:10] I wasn't real happy with it. Um

[53:15] and it was known um and then Ray ended

[53:17] up coming in about a month later and

[53:19] going over that. So I ended up going and

[53:22] meeting with him for an hour. How many

[53:24] of the board members knew that I even

[53:26] met with him is a question I'd like to

[53:28] know.

[53:29] >> It's [clears throat] a good question

[53:30] because I didn't know.

[53:31] >> Okay. I

[53:34] have done nonprofits a long time and I'm

[53:37] very passionate about things. I offered

[53:40] help. When he came in here, I saw

[53:43] passion in him and he said he wanted to

[53:44] be solvent as far as being separated

[53:46] from being re reliant on the city money.

[53:50] So I said I will help you literally help

[53:53] you physically, mentally, whatever. I

[53:55] have volunteers. I can do whatever it

[53:56] takes. And

[53:59] the reason why I asked that question,

[54:00] was it conveyed to the board?

[54:02] >> Okay.

[54:04] >> Any of the board didn't know.

[54:06] >> Okay. Here here's the next thing is uh

[54:09] last September you guys were going to

[54:11] have a rib dinner. I had that whole

[54:13] thing co coordinated to be donated free,

[54:16] no cost to you guys. And I never got a

[54:19] call back on it or anything. None of you

[54:22] knew about it.

[54:23] >> No.

[54:26] >> I didn't even know about it as a center

[54:27] coordinator. I didn't

[54:28] >> I didn't know about that.

[54:29] >> Okay. All right. Well, that's kind of

[54:32] after trying to get a hold of Ray a few

[54:34] times, I just kind of gave up. And I

[54:37] know he was probably doing too much. I

[54:40] don't know all the details, nor do I

[54:41] care. I'm just getting to the point that

[54:43] come June, I saw the ad for the

[54:46] executive director. That put a lump in

[54:48] my stomach because I know I reached out.

[54:50] I know I could how offer help, but

[54:53] nothing was ever done about it. Then

[54:58] just by chance, the email started coming

[55:00] in. Then this and that and it just

[55:04] snowball and escalated. So that's why I

[55:06] called this. I just wanted to I know you

[55:09] guys do good things. don't think that I

[55:11] think differently. That's that's not

[55:12] even where I'm coming from.

[55:15] >> I would like to see the city not have to

[55:18] pay that in the future.

[55:20] >> Yeah.

[55:20] >> Um that's why I offered the help. So,

[55:22] I'm still willing to do that if I can

[55:24] meet with the board, meet with you. I I

[55:27] got some good ideas. I mean, there's two

[55:29] things you could do right off the bat

[55:30] that could probably get you 100 grand a

[55:31] year. That would get us free and clear

[55:33] and then we could use that to the bus

[55:35] routes and all that stuff. So, that's

[55:36] where I'm coming from on this. As far as

[55:39] the board, do you have four 15 members?

[55:42] >> I think we have uh maybe

[55:44] >> 11 right now.

[55:44] >> 11. But your your

[55:47] >> We can have up to that many.

[55:48] >> We can have up to 15. Oh, yeah.

[55:50] >> So, you always got an odd number.

[55:52] >> And what's your quorum minimum?

[55:54] >> Uh

[55:56] seven.

[55:57] >> I was going to say six, but maybe it's

[55:58] seven.

[56:00] >> I

[56:02] >> Oh, yeah. Half plus one.

[56:04] >> Half plus one

[56:06] >> be eight. which would be eight

[56:08] >> or nine. Yeah.

[56:10] >> Yeah. So,

[56:15] some of the emails that we got concerned

[56:18] the board meeting in August that there

[56:20] was two people removed

[56:22] >> from a quorum of seven and I know one of

[56:25] them very personally. Um, and she's a

[56:28] go-getter. She's she's dear to my heart.

[56:30] She helps with chem cancer care. Y

[56:32] >> and I I it kind of really hit me the

[56:35] wrong right in the craw so to speak that happened to two board members and I

[56:40] don't know why and I don't know if I'll

[56:42] ever know why.

[56:43] >> Yep.

[56:44] >> But as far as the continuation currently

[56:48] with the center, would you guys be open

[56:51] to having a city liaison be part of

[56:54] that?

[56:54] >> Sure would. Well, hands down. We don't

[56:57] have anything to hide. We're we're all

[56:59] for it. And you know, I used to be the

[57:02] director of Catholic Social Services for

[57:03] 10 years here. And my goal was always

[57:06] not to rely on United Way funds, so I

[57:09] understand where you're coming from so

[57:11] we can free up money for other good

[57:13] projects that that money could go

[57:15] toward. Yeah.

[57:17] >> Well, then I can I can jump in here real

[57:19] quick. Please do.

[57:20] >> Carl, do you want to weigh in this a

[57:21] little bit? I need I mean Sean, if you

[57:22] want to do this on your own, I think

[57:24] that's a great idea. I don't know if you

[57:25] could actually

[57:26] >> Well, I want to do it as a citizen to

[57:28] help you guys, not as a city. But I

[57:30] think having some representation from

[57:32] the city

[57:33] >> just show support and all that stuff.

[57:35] >> I know. And it's a great idea. I

[57:37] understand. Um Carl, give us some input

[57:40] on that.

[57:43] [laughter]

[57:44] >> I'm going to be the negative guy because

[57:46] that's that's the attorney. uh we we

[57:49] want to be careful about trying to

[57:51] impose city rules and regulations upon

[57:54] this organization because we have no

[57:56] authority or control. So, as a private

[57:59] citizen, sure, someone can do that. But

[58:01] as a a either a council leaison or a

[58:05] staff leaison, I'm not sure

[58:08] what actual role that's going to be and

[58:13] how we would have to structure something

[58:15] in some sort of an agreement that

[58:17] becomes then we become more involved.

[58:20] Then become a little more responsible.

[58:22] Then we have to look at you know what is

[58:25] our role? How does that affect even our

[58:27] insurance coverage? Because when we

[58:29] backed off, that removes a lot of that

[58:32] liability that we have. So, we need to

[58:34] be a little careful about imposing too

[58:36] much of ourselves without knowing those

[58:40] risks and what we're going to do with

[58:42] it.

[58:42] >> Can we look into that? Uh I'm not saying

[58:44] to impose anything. I I'm not looking

[58:46] for that at all. Just having eyes and

[58:49] ears and it always helps the more people

[58:51] that are passionate about things.

[58:53] >> Sure. it it will do nothing but help

[58:55] that and that's really my ultimate goal.

[58:58] So if you guys want to talk as a board,

[59:00] I'd be more than happy to come meet with

[59:02] you guys on a private level of course.

[59:05] And so that option is still open. I I

[59:08] just eventually it to me it should have

[59:10] been set up as a temporary funding

[59:12] source, not a permanent funding source.

[59:16] And I I think 20 years, 20 plus years is

[59:19] kind of a long time that we could have

[59:21] gotten rid of that and the city could

[59:23] have done other other with it. But I'm

[59:25] willing to help you guys. So I wanted

[59:27] you just to know that. That's why I have

[59:29] brought this on because I really had my

[59:30] heart sunk, my gut sunk,

[59:32] >> and I didn't like that feeling at all.

[59:34] So I just know I had to come out and say

[59:36] something.

[59:36] >> Yeah.

[59:37] >> Well, I'm there Monday through Friday.

[59:39] Just call me anytime.

[59:40] >> I will find time to get there for you.

[59:43] >> Okay.

[59:43] >> All right. That's that's all I got. You

[59:45] have lots of witnesses here.

[59:46] >> I I know. I know. I I back up what I

[59:48] say.

[59:49] >> I appreci I I I appreciate you doing

[59:51] that. I think that, you know,

[59:52] personally, it's a great

[59:53] >> But I didn't tell Ry that last year. I

[59:55] had to sleep on it because I knew I was

[59:57] going to be negative on the funding

[59:58] going forward. Um but how could I help?

[1:00:02] And that's what I woke up with is how

[1:00:04] could I help? And that's why I did that.

[1:00:05] >> Thank you.

[1:00:06] >> Very good.

[1:00:07] >> All right. Thank you for being here

[1:00:08] >> and thank you for your time.

[1:00:10] >> Well, you're not done yet.

[1:00:12] >> [laughter]

[1:00:14] >> Sorry, you're still in the hot seat, but

[1:00:15] that's all right.

[1:00:16] >> It's okay.

[1:00:16] >> We're We're friendly.

[1:00:18] >> Yeah,

[1:00:18] >> it's not super hot. Welcome, ladies. Um,

[1:00:21] thank you so much for providing us all

[1:00:23] this additional information. Um, I just

[1:00:25] had a couple questions and it kind of

[1:00:27] was in line with what councelor Sy was

[1:00:30] uh going with um the process for getting

[1:00:34] on the board. Do you have a process for

[1:00:36] getting on your board of directors?

[1:00:39] >> Yes.

[1:00:39] So, they apply.

[1:00:41] Yeah, the resume.

[1:00:42] >> Okay. Okay. So, it's not prohibitive.

[1:00:45] It's It's very easy to apply to be on

[1:00:48] the board. It's a vote of the board.

[1:00:49] >> Yep. We don't do background check.

[1:00:52] >> Don't do that. No fingerprints.

[1:00:54] >> Okay. Um, are your board meetings open

[1:00:56] to the public?

[1:00:58] >> Well, we have a we have a process. So,

[1:01:01] if you wanted to come and look and sit

[1:01:04] in, you let Kisha know so we can put it

[1:01:06] on the agenda. And that's pretty much

[1:01:09] how we do it. We are asking that people

[1:01:12] be upfront and honest because we don't

[1:01:15] want somebody to come with one pretense

[1:01:17] and de develop or deliver another uh

[1:01:21] concern.

[1:01:22] >> Sure.

[1:01:23] >> So that's what

[1:01:24] >> so so where I was going with this is

[1:01:26] you're a nonprofit accepting city of

[1:01:30] Kingman funding and other various

[1:01:32] contributors and stakeholders. If the a

[1:01:35] member of the public wanted to go, if I

[1:01:37] wanted to go sit in on your meeting, I

[1:01:40] would need to let you know that I was

[1:01:42] sitting into the into the meeting, I I

[1:01:44] just I I don't understand why the public

[1:01:47] couldn't attend your meeting. I can

[1:01:48] understand that the public wouldn't be

[1:01:51] able to speak.

[1:01:52] >> Well, you know,

[1:01:53] >> but attending your meeting, I I would

[1:01:54] like to see if you're all inclusive and

[1:01:57] you're and you're, you know, receiving

[1:01:59] these funds from other entities,

[1:02:02] especially public funding. Um, I would

[1:02:04] like to see uh some opportunity to at

[1:02:07] least sit in on a meeting. I I plan to

[1:02:09] come to a couple meetings. I'll just let

[1:02:11] you know. I didn't know what the process

[1:02:12] was. I would just like to see how you

[1:02:15] all operate.

[1:02:16] >> Sure. You know, nonprofit organizations

[1:02:18] in Arizona don't have to have um public

[1:02:21] meetings or people coming like that.

[1:02:23] It's not a government. Correct. It's a

[1:02:25] nonprofit. So, it's up to the discretion

[1:02:27] of that nonprofit organization. And I

[1:02:29] understand that. and we really haven't

[1:02:32] had anybody shown any interest. So,

[1:02:35] we're kind of in our baby steps with

[1:02:37] this. We're trying to listen to what our

[1:02:40] people want and um so we're just

[1:02:44] learning, but we do have a little policy

[1:02:47] put up in the foyer

[1:02:49] >> and I I intend to abide by that. I I

[1:02:51] just think that it would be fiscally

[1:02:53] responsible of me as a fiduciary of the

[1:02:56] city of Kingman funds to come and visit

[1:02:58] and just just see how you operate. So,

[1:03:01] um you know, I I'll follow your rules

[1:03:03] and and I'll I'll let you know that that

[1:03:05] I would like to come, but I just wanted

[1:03:07] to make sure that it was um available.

[1:03:09] And then do your do your board members

[1:03:11] have uh term limits or do you do they

[1:03:13] get to stay on the board in perpetuity

[1:03:16] or

[1:03:17] >> we have uh uh well we have one uh two

[1:03:22] year

[1:03:23] >> two year and five year

[1:03:25] >> yeah twoyear and fiveyear okay

[1:03:27] >> okay okay

[1:03:28] >> yeah I couldn't remember what that was I

[1:03:30] haven't looked at that for a while but

[1:03:31] you know one of the things we're in

[1:03:32] process of doing is looking at our

[1:03:34] bylaws and reviewing them and then we

[1:03:36] have to turn those in any changes to the

[1:03:38] corporation operation commission. So,

[1:03:40] we're we're we do that about every two

[1:03:42] or three years.

[1:03:43] >> Okay, great. Great. And then lastly, I

[1:03:45] just wondered um there is no membership

[1:03:47] fee, right? It's open to the public

[1:03:49] unless they take advantage of your your

[1:03:51] programs and then they pay whatever the

[1:03:53] cost is.

[1:03:54] >> If they don't have it, they don't have

[1:03:55] to pay it.

[1:03:56] >> Okay. Okay. All right. All right. Well,

[1:03:58] I appreciate uh you entertaining my

[1:04:00] questions and thank you so much. I will

[1:04:02] come visit you. Um, so I, you know, I

[1:04:05] just, I just feel like you're a group I

[1:04:07] have not visited, so I I would like to, visit you. So, thank you.

[1:04:11] >> Thank you so much, ladies. Okay,

[1:04:12] >> that's all I had. Mayor,

[1:04:13] >> one of your associates would like to

[1:04:15] come in, I think. Are you on the board

[1:04:16] also, ma'am?

[1:04:17] >> Yes, by

[1:04:19] >> Well, then you're you're part of this

[1:04:21] group, too. So, please come forward and

[1:04:22] please step into the mic, though.

[1:04:25] >> For me was um a resume.

[1:04:29] >> Ma'am,

[1:04:30] >> can you please share your name for the

[1:04:32] record? Hudac Logan I talked earlier. Um

[1:04:36] but what they acquired from me um was a

[1:04:39] resume that I gave them and um and then

[1:04:43] I had a they had a meeting and they

[1:04:47] voted me on. So my first meeting is the

[1:04:50] 16th my first board meeting. But I'm one

[1:04:53] of those board

[1:04:53] >> meeting.

[1:04:54] >> Huh.

[1:04:54] >> You did your resume then you sat in on a

[1:04:56] meeting.

[1:04:56] >> Yeah I sat in but that was just yeah

[1:04:59] myself wanting to sit in. I'm very

[1:05:01] interested in becoming a board because

[1:05:04] um I want to have some effect and I do

[1:05:11] >> do a lot of stuff for

[1:05:13] >> I do believe that it should be open the

[1:05:15] meetings that's where I'm coming from

[1:05:19] and um I think it should be and everyone

[1:05:22] should be able to come if they want they

[1:05:24] may not be it may be pretty boring

[1:05:26] sometimes but I wanted to get on it and

[1:05:30] I know of two other new people who are

[1:05:32] new are new to the board and that's what

[1:05:35] they want to do too is they want to get

[1:05:36] involved and they want to move some

[1:05:39] things. So just letting you know that's

[1:05:41] how I became a board member and I do

[1:05:44] regularly attend there. So

[1:05:46] >> thank you.

[1:05:49] >> council. Yes, Jamie.

[1:05:51] >> Um thank you. I just wanted to clarify,

[1:05:53] you know, some of this how it started is

[1:05:56] people were coming to council meetings

[1:05:58] to give us information about uh your

[1:06:00] center and maybe some changes. And so my

[1:06:03] questions were really because

[1:06:05] um when they ca when those people came,

[1:06:09] I didn't have an answer for them because

[1:06:11] I don't have any authority over, you

[1:06:14] know, your organization. Of course,

[1:06:16] we're just we're making a contribution

[1:06:17] because we think what you do is really

[1:06:19] important for our community. Um, and so

[1:06:22] my questions were in line with your

[1:06:24] board and your med and your and whether

[1:06:26] or not there was a complaint process

[1:06:28] just because I need to be able to tell

[1:06:29] people, look, you know, that that is not

[1:06:33] within my responsibility, but but you

[1:06:35] can volunteer, you can be on the board

[1:06:37] and there's there is a a process for

[1:06:39] getting complaints to that board. I

[1:06:41] think that's really important and maybe

[1:06:43] some having having an open meeting or or

[1:06:47] something like that. um you you might be

[1:06:50] able to just squash some of those

[1:06:52] complaints just through that open

[1:06:53] dialogue. But but again, that's not my

[1:06:55] responsibility.

[1:06:56] >> We also have volunteer meetings and

[1:06:58] we've met some of the people that have

[1:06:59] made complaints.

[1:07:01] >> Um and we're not very

[1:07:03] >> Yeah. And I'm so sorry to to hear that is happening at the center. I hope

[1:07:07] that you don't lose volunteers over some

[1:07:10] of that ugliness because you do provide

[1:07:12] a very important service. So, thank you

[1:07:14] again and just thanks for coming and

[1:07:16] giving us that info.

[1:07:17] You're welcome. [clears throat]

[1:07:20] >> Thank you, counselor. [applause]

[1:07:26] » So, actually, were there any other

[1:07:28] questions? Councelor Dykins, did you

[1:07:29] have a

[1:07:30] >> I [snorts] have a question for Tina.

[1:07:32] >> Okay.

[1:07:38] » In one of the slides, it shows

[1:07:40] responsibilities of each party. And

[1:07:42] under the adult center, it says use the

[1:07:45] city funds solely to hire at least two

[1:07:48] employees to manage adult center

[1:07:51] activities.

[1:07:53] Those two employees, are they full-time,

[1:07:57] part-time? I don't see a a separation

[1:08:00] there, but there's definitely a big

[1:08:02] difference in the costs,

[1:08:06] >> meaning the expenditures on their part.

[1:08:08] Councilman Dikkins, I have the agreement

[1:08:09] in front of me and I don't believe that

[1:08:12] it calls out full-time or part-time. I

[1:08:15] think it just says two employees.

[1:08:17] >> You're correct. It doesn't count call

[1:08:18] out

[1:08:20] whether it's FTE or part-time.

[1:08:22] >> Okay.

[1:08:27] » Thank you, [snorts] counselor. Okay. Any

[1:08:28] other comments or questions?

[1:08:31] Once again, thanks all of you,

[1:08:32] especially those who are here um

[1:08:34] representing the Katherine Hinrich

[1:08:36] Center. And it was mentioned by

[1:08:38] councelor Saley and our vice mayor and I

[1:08:40] think all of us, we are thankful for

[1:08:41] what you do for our our senior citizens

[1:08:44] whether they live in the city limits or

[1:08:46] whether they live in the county. Um you

[1:08:48] we're all part of this greater Kingman

[1:08:50] area and so we appreciate what you do

[1:08:52] for them because oftentimes

[1:08:56] that if even if they come to the center

[1:08:57] one day a week that socialization is

[1:09:01] what they need to keep them going every

[1:09:03] week. So thanks again. Okay, thank you.

[1:09:07] Um, continue on our agenda. Item five,

[1:09:10] department reports, golf course

[1:09:12] marketing action plan,

[1:09:16] Mr. Mike Mirsman. Welcome.

[1:09:22] Any of you from the center wanted to

[1:09:23] leave, please? You're more than welcome

[1:09:24] to. We understand. It's all right.

[1:09:38] how you do it.

[1:09:40] >> It's not how you do it. Share

[1:09:44] and then you pick it.

[1:09:47] >> Otherwise, you're not sharing it

[1:09:49] through.

[1:09:50] >> No, it's not touch screen. I was just

[1:09:52] pointing to you.

[1:10:05] this thing.

[1:10:08] There we go.

[1:10:23] » Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and

[1:10:24] Council. Uh I'm glad to see that the hot

[1:10:27] seat's not too hot tonight. So uh thank

[1:10:29] you for that. But uh any rate um onto

[1:10:32] the uh uh marketing plan. Uh basically

[1:10:37] um obviously we all know we have a

[1:10:39] beautiful golf course and uh very proud

[1:10:41] of it. Uh

[1:10:45] if I can get the slides to advance I

[1:10:47] guess.

[1:11:00] Usually these arrows is what I use but

[1:11:03] there. Okay, there we go. Um any rate uh

[1:11:06] [clears throat]

[1:11:07] I I just want to touch base. The first

[1:11:09] couple of slides basically are what uh

[1:11:11] the what the uh consultant kind of came

[1:11:15] up with basically and and the rest of

[1:11:18] them are kind of what we've interpreted

[1:11:19] what he said and um what we feel like

[1:11:22] going forward implementation would be um

[1:11:26] and really I felt like there's a lot of

[1:11:27] good information in this in his

[1:11:29] presentation and well in his packet and

[1:11:32] to leaf through it and try to get all

[1:11:34] the good stuff out of it I think is very

[1:11:36] important. Um, and I wanted to say to

[1:11:39] the where he talked about the millions

[1:11:41] of dollars it's going to be. Um, and and

[1:11:43] what what I think about that it's to

[1:11:45] make that a perfect place is what the

[1:11:47] millions of dollars would do. And I've

[1:11:49] been at several golf courses and our

[1:11:52] team that works and manages our golf

[1:11:53] course. I've been at several golf

[1:11:54] courses and none of them have had

[1:11:56] everything perfect there, which would be

[1:11:59] great to have a perfect irrigation

[1:12:00] system, all brand new. That would be

[1:12:02] perfect, but and I've never had that in

[1:12:04] any job that I've been at. And so I mean

[1:12:06] but that's what his presentation was

[1:12:08] about in my mind and what he was

[1:12:10] pointing out to us. Um and basically

[1:12:14] through this there's like really three

[1:12:15] really important slides. There's a lot

[1:12:17] of slides and I'll kind of go through

[1:12:18] them and won't talk very much about a

[1:12:19] lot of them but there's um the slide

[1:12:21] eight is implementation. Um slide 22 is

[1:12:24] about cost savings. We think there's a

[1:12:26] lot of cost savings we can do and I

[1:12:28] think that's important too. And then 30

[1:12:30] slide 33 is the recap of um all of it.

[1:12:35] So basically tournaments, leagues,

[1:12:37] charitable groups, it's quality of life

[1:12:38] is what it's about. You know, these are

[1:12:41] what all the people that use our

[1:12:42] facility. And uh one one thing that gets

[1:12:45] important I think and gets overlooked a

[1:12:47] lot of times is for the um charitable

[1:12:50] groups the money they raise doesn't go

[1:12:52] toward our bottom line but it's $500,000

[1:12:55] that goes into the communities through

[1:12:57] their what the charities raise for their

[1:12:59] organizations and I think that's very

[1:13:01] important too. Um you know seniors,

[1:13:04] veterans, educators, realators, business

[1:13:06] people, families, um nonprofit groups,

[1:13:10] everybody uses the the golf course. Um

[1:13:13] the marketing plan uh what this is what

[1:13:16] kind of what JJ the consultant came up

[1:13:18] with uh this is what all was in there

[1:13:21] and um the the marketing plan was

[1:13:24] mentioned in there many many times. So

[1:13:26] um and he he looked at a lot of other

[1:13:29] things which is important too and we've

[1:13:31] kind of gone through all those and um

[1:13:35] the mar his marketing plan field visit

[1:13:37] this was really good. He came in and he

[1:13:39] went to the golf course unannounced and

[1:13:41] uh shopped there in the pro shop and

[1:13:43] golfed and dined and checked it all out

[1:13:45] and uh um and it was really really good.

[1:13:49] And this is more about his findings

[1:13:52] really. Um our golf course is located

[1:13:55] good and you know uh how many golfing

[1:13:58] days we have a year which we all know we

[1:13:59] have a lot of them because we don't get

[1:14:00] much rain and so um and our price is

[1:14:03] below value. It's our price is a great

[1:14:06] value for people and that's I think part

[1:14:08] of the problem is that we've got to get

[1:14:09] that price back up still. So it's

[1:14:11] something that for many years it kind of

[1:14:13] didn't get raised because COVID came and

[1:14:17] just all the different stuff came along

[1:14:18] the economy and so it just kind of got

[1:14:20] overlooked and didn't go and I think

[1:14:21] it's important that you look at that

[1:14:22] annually and make those adjustments

[1:14:24] annually. So um and the physical assets

[1:14:27] is what he talked about and we know that

[1:14:29] everything's not perfect but um we're

[1:14:32] obviously working with it and doing a

[1:14:33] great job. You see the golf course right

[1:14:34] now is in great shape and um our team

[1:14:37] does a great job. Very proud of them.

[1:14:39] And this is like where the course

[1:14:41] stands, you know, um discounting is a

[1:14:44] concern obviously because and uh golf

[1:14:47] packages, season passes, private carts,

[1:14:50] all those things are discounted off of a

[1:14:52] rate. And so it's important that we get

[1:14:55] those rates all where they belong

[1:14:56] really. Um and our golf course there's

[1:14:59] already a value. So, it's important

[1:15:01] maybe not to discount, but maybe offer a

[1:15:03] free bucket of balls with a round of

[1:15:06] golf to get people there. And I what's

[1:15:07] really important is um that we look at

[1:15:11] getting them there um in our off times,

[1:15:15] in our slow times because we're our busy

[1:15:17] times are very busy. We're a very busy

[1:15:18] golf course. And so, this is kind of

[1:15:21] like the key items. It's one of the

[1:15:22] slides I was talking about that very

[1:15:24] important. Um we want to continue

[1:15:26] gathering data. I think that's something

[1:15:28] that you never get finished doing. Um

[1:15:31] and so we want to come back to the

[1:15:33] council in 30 to 60 days with rate

[1:15:35] recommendations. Uh and obviously our uh

[1:15:40] our rounds basically are 90% from the

[1:15:44] data we've been gathering lately, which

[1:15:45] we've been doing a lot better. Our

[1:15:46] staff's been doing a lot better about

[1:15:47] gathering data who's residents and who's

[1:15:49] non-residents. And we're like 90%

[1:15:51] residents so far and 10% non-residents.

[1:15:54] And we think that's going to get

[1:15:56] throughout the year that's going to

[1:15:57] change some. But like I said, we're not

[1:15:59] finished gathering data ever. So, and

[1:16:01] our POS POS system um barter or trade we

[1:16:05] he recommended getting a new POS system,

[1:16:07] but he saw the challenges we had with

[1:16:09] the one we had and um we've got most of

[1:16:12] those worked out and I think we're

[1:16:13] getting good data. Um expand the T-

[1:16:16] sheet out and we'll I'll talk more about

[1:16:18] this on another slide. and um social

[1:16:21] media marketing. We want to look at

[1:16:22] doing that where we um target market

[1:16:25] areas, Bullhead City, Laughlin, Havsu,

[1:16:29] maybe Boulder City, even places that

[1:16:31] people going through here. We can target

[1:16:33] market those places to get some more try

[1:16:35] to get more non-resident play, which is

[1:16:37] important. Um creating an email

[1:16:40] database. So far, we've got about 16,000

[1:16:42] people in there. So, we're working on

[1:16:44] that. We're gathering that. And he

[1:16:46] thought that was very important, and we

[1:16:47] think it is, too. looking at top tracer

[1:16:49] technology for our driving range. We've

[1:16:50] gathered some data. We want to gather

[1:16:52] more and see if there's different ways

[1:16:54] of getting it. Whether we pay somebody

[1:16:56] to build a cover of our range te or he recommended a place where somebody

[1:17:01] will build it for you. They'll pay for

[1:17:02] it and then they get the money for the

[1:17:04] first so many years and then we have to

[1:17:07] pay for that in the end which we get

[1:17:09] some other money too which you could

[1:17:10] bank and pay for it. So there's

[1:17:11] different options of ways to look at it

[1:17:13] that we could possibly do. So, we'll be

[1:17:15] out obviously coming back to you with

[1:17:16] those recommendations as well. Um, and

[1:17:20] attracting new golfers is con currently

[1:17:22] and ongoing. It's uh very important that

[1:17:24] we continue to try to get more and more

[1:17:27] people there. Um, and these next couple

[1:17:30] slides are going to be talking about

[1:17:31] kind of what I just talked about. And

[1:17:32] there's what we talked about possible

[1:17:34] rate increase. Um, 5% annually, which I

[1:17:37] should at least look at until we get

[1:17:38] caught up to where we were. Um, and like

[1:17:42] I said, we'll be coming back to council

[1:17:43] with a recommendation on that 30 to 60

[1:17:45] days. Miscellaneous fees increase

[1:17:47] driving range, uh, all those fees should

[1:17:49] be looked at and at least

[1:17:51] [clears throat] yearly and come back and make some rate adjustments on those

[1:17:55] things. Um, we'd like to implement a

[1:17:57] tournament booking fee where if you're

[1:17:59] going to have a tournament, you pay $250

[1:18:02] and if you don't come up with your full

[1:18:04] amount that you say you're going to have

[1:18:05] in your tournament, we keep the $250. if

[1:18:08] you do, that money goes toward your

[1:18:10] tournament. So, um, we think that's

[1:18:13] another important thing to because we've

[1:18:15] had some people book outings, say,

[1:18:16] "We're going to have an outing," and

[1:18:17] then they don't have as many people as

[1:18:19] they said they were going to have, and

[1:18:20] then we're at the last minute trying to

[1:18:21] fill a t- sheet up. So, um, we think

[1:18:23] it's important to maybe do something

[1:18:25] like that, too, obviously. Um, grill

[1:18:28] food and beverage costs, evaluate

[1:18:30] quarterly, and adjust those. Um, the POS

[1:18:33] versus barter, this what I just talked

[1:18:35] about. These are the numbers that if we

[1:18:37] what we would pay to do it. What what is good about the way we do it? We

[1:18:40] barter. We trade we trade noon tea times

[1:18:43] which we don't have we don't have noon

[1:18:45] tea time. So they're bringing us people

[1:18:47] to play and they're getting to play free

[1:18:50] on them. But obviously they come in,

[1:18:53] they spend money in the pro shop, they

[1:18:54] spend money in the grill and and we

[1:18:56] would be paying um 35,000 a year for

[1:18:59] that software plus 20% on each sale if

[1:19:02] on each uh sale if we had to pay for it.

[1:19:05] So we still think it's a better way to

[1:19:07] barter it because like I said, they're

[1:19:08] noon tea times which we don't have

[1:19:11] people knocking the door down to come

[1:19:12] play our place at noon and that we're

[1:19:14] trying to get people to play noon and

[1:19:15] afternoon. So um our our prime tea times

[1:19:18] are in the morning. So um we think this

[1:19:21] is the way to go to stay with what we're

[1:19:23] doing. We've got a lot of the things

[1:19:24] worked out. We're gathering the right

[1:19:25] data. Um which which was the

[1:19:28] consultant's concern obviously was that

[1:19:31] um prime tea times. This is another very

[1:19:33] important uh slide that the prime tea

[1:19:36] times are in the morning. We know that.

[1:19:38] And so what we'd like to do is uh extend

[1:19:42] our right now you have to for 14 days

[1:19:44] before the day you want to golf you can

[1:19:46] reserve a tea time. And what we want to

[1:19:47] do to keep it fair to our current season

[1:19:49] passholders is we want to make it so

[1:19:52] that people can book 90 days out and pay

[1:19:54] a $40 booking fee per forsome up to 14

[1:19:59] days and then there's no booking fee.

[1:20:01] That way we're going to find out what's

[1:20:02] prime time and are people willing to pay

[1:20:04] extra for the that's $10 a person in a

[1:20:06] forsome. So it's still reasonable. Um,

[1:20:10] but we think that's a good thing to do.

[1:20:11] And then if we implement this, then a

[1:20:13] year from now, we would go to when all

[1:20:15] of our seasoned passholders that we have

[1:20:17] now their passes, they would already

[1:20:19] know this if they're going to get a new

[1:20:20] one that in the future it's going to be

[1:20:22] seven days out. So, you'd be able to pay

[1:20:25] that $40 to get a tea time up to seven

[1:20:27] days out and then then we'd open up the

[1:20:30] T- sheet to everybody. So, um, that's

[1:20:32] kind of what this is about and we think

[1:20:33] it's a good plan and this is one of them

[1:20:35] that the consultant recommended that we

[1:20:37] look at and, uh, we think it's a pretty

[1:20:39] good way to do it to it's going to help

[1:20:41] us know more and more when are our prime

[1:20:43] times because that if people are willing

[1:20:45] to pay a little extra for it, then it's

[1:20:46] a prime time. So, um, we we do think

[1:20:49] it's important. So, this is a important

[1:20:51] thing and we'll be coming back to the

[1:20:52] council with this 30 to 60 days, we'll

[1:20:54] be bringing you something to vote on all

[1:20:55] these things that we want to where we

[1:20:57] want to raise the rates and do things

[1:20:59] like this. So um this is the industry

[1:21:02] standard. Basically 50% 30 50% of the te

[1:21:07] of our rounds come from the 30% of the

[1:21:10] uh available tea times. That that's the

[1:21:12] mornings. So we know that people don't

[1:21:14] want to play in the mornings. We just we

[1:21:15] have to continue to try to find ways to

[1:21:17] get people out in the mornings. I mean

[1:21:20] afternoon and in the evenings when it's

[1:21:22] hot people don't want to play golf. I

[1:21:24] mean we've talked about having a if it's

[1:21:26] a 100 degree out day then we have a

[1:21:28] discounted rate for that. We've talked

[1:21:30] about things like that possibly. So,

[1:21:31] there's all those things to continue to

[1:21:33] look at. I think um um and like I said,

[1:21:36] 70% of our rounds are between 6 o'clock

[1:21:38] and 11 o'clock in the morning. So, um

[1:21:41] but this will what we're talking about

[1:21:43] doing will will tell us for sure when

[1:21:45] the prime times are. We're going to know

[1:21:46] more and more when prime times are, what

[1:21:48] days, what weekend days, what days of

[1:21:50] time on the weekends. Um, and our

[1:21:54] staff's doing a much better job now,

[1:21:55] too, of having people get a tea time.

[1:21:58] Instead of when somebody calls and says,

[1:21:59] "Got to get a tea time." You don't say,

[1:22:01] "Oh, it's not busy in the afternoon.

[1:22:02] Just come on out." We don't want to tell

[1:22:04] people just come on out. We want to get

[1:22:05] a tea time. Then we know they're coming

[1:22:07] and it's just better per more

[1:22:09] professional to do that kind of stuff.

[1:22:10] So, our staff's doing a great job with

[1:22:12] that, too. Um, Whoops. Social media

[1:22:16] marketing. I touched on this where we

[1:22:18] want to target certain areas. Um, we

[1:22:20] think that's important and uh obviously

[1:22:22] and the consultant pointed this out that

[1:22:24] a golfer in Laughlin can uh save $360 of

[1:22:28] force to bring a people over here. The

[1:22:30] challenge with this is we would like to

[1:22:32] work with the casinos and things like

[1:22:33] that, but they want to keep the people

[1:22:35] there. They don't want them going off to

[1:22:36] play golf anywhere. They want them to

[1:22:38] stay in the casino. So, it's hard to get

[1:22:39] them to work with you, but we're going

[1:22:41] to continue to try to do that more and

[1:22:44] uh work on that. So, um,

[1:22:48] marketing and advertising and we think

[1:22:50] it's still important to get our

[1:22:51] billboard up raised now with a wall

[1:22:53] there where you can at least see a

[1:22:54] billboard that says there's a golf

[1:22:56] course on this side of the wall because

[1:22:58] obviously you used to be able to see

[1:22:59] that beautiful golf course driving down

[1:23:00] the highway. Now, you see a wall. So, we

[1:23:02] do think that's important uh to try to

[1:23:04] get that done. And we want to do

[1:23:06] brochures and things like that. And we

[1:23:08] talked about um advertisement

[1:23:09] [clears throat] on the city's digital

[1:23:11] billboards. We think that's important

[1:23:13] for the grill and everything for the

[1:23:14] golf course. Um, and brochure placement

[1:23:17] and all these different places. We think

[1:23:18] that's important, too. So, we're going

[1:23:20] to try to do more and more of that. Um,

[1:23:23] creating a database. This what we talked

[1:23:25] about. We have 16,000 so far and we're

[1:23:26] still working on this and like I said,

[1:23:28] doing a really good job with this. Are

[1:23:30] really, our staff's doing a really good

[1:23:32] job, I think, to come up with what we've

[1:23:34] learned from this and trying to

[1:23:36] implement and make it better. Um,

[1:23:39] tournaments. This was asked for uh I

[1:23:41] think by the vice mayor which is a very

[1:23:43] good question is a weekend comparable

[1:23:45] with a tournament on it and both

[1:23:48] weekends on the other side. And so with

[1:23:50] this slide basically on a tournament on

[1:23:52] a tournament day the pro shop will do

[1:23:54] $5,000 and the girl will do $3,900 on a

[1:23:58] non-ournament weekend on either side of

[1:23:59] that tournament. It'll be $3,000 on the

[1:24:02] $1,000. So those are the numbers. And so

[1:24:05] tournaments are important we think. and

[1:24:07] the consultant thought that we should

[1:24:08] have a high price for tournaments and we

[1:24:10] kind of don't think that. We think if

[1:24:11] you're bringing a full group in that we

[1:24:13] think it's okay to um you're getting a

[1:24:15] commitment that they're bringing them

[1:24:16] in, especially if we do the uh fee that

[1:24:18] we're going to charge to that if they're

[1:24:20] going to register to have a tournament

[1:24:22] then they pay that. So, but we think

[1:24:25] it's important and these are very

[1:24:26] important to look at as how we're doing

[1:24:27] that. These are some of the tournaments

[1:24:28] we have and obviously a lot of good ones

[1:24:31] and a lot of money is raised with these

[1:24:33] to go into the nonprofits. uh $500,000

[1:24:37] which I mentioned earlier which is very

[1:24:38] important. Um top tracer technology this

[1:24:41] is another one we talked about cover

[1:24:43] over the driving range with um like they

[1:24:46] have at uh several driving ranges then

[1:24:49] the uh

[1:24:51] top golf is where they have it and um a

[1:24:54] lot of people like to go that do that

[1:24:55] and it tells you everything really. It

[1:24:56] tells you how far high you hit the ball

[1:24:58] off your club head speed it tells you

[1:25:00] everything. So there's ways we can

[1:25:02] possibly do this too and we're looking

[1:25:04] into that. We've reached out to some

[1:25:05] other golf courses that have it and see

[1:25:07] how works for them and we're finding

[1:25:08] some good information.

[1:25:10] Um, attracting new golfers. This is what

[1:25:13] we do and um, new player orientation.

[1:25:16] It's important to just teach people

[1:25:17] about golf and how to get a tea time and

[1:25:19] where to put your clubs and where to

[1:25:21] come into the pro shop. We've done some

[1:25:23] really nice upgrades in the pro shop.

[1:25:25] Um, the event pad for weddings and

[1:25:27] things like that. We've had weddings and

[1:25:28] some hospital events and things like

[1:25:30] that. This is another This is another

[1:25:32] important area that we talked about

[1:25:33] maintenance cost savings. We think

[1:25:35] there's some movement here that we can

[1:25:37] make that will really help us.

[1:25:38] Autonomous mowing. That's a very

[1:25:40] important thing. I think that uh we had

[1:25:42] one come out there and I've got other

[1:25:44] slides that we'll talk about this as we

[1:25:45] go, but uh there's some ways to save

[1:25:48] money there. Um back to desert, there's

[1:25:50] some other get rid of some grass areas.

[1:25:53] We've identified between 15 and 20 acres

[1:25:55] where we could remove turf and save

[1:25:57] water and just herbicides, pesticides,

[1:26:00] fertilizer, and all that good stuff. Um,

[1:26:02] irrigation system, there's challenges

[1:26:04] obviously with it. We have and the older

[1:26:06] holes are the most important ones. It's

[1:26:08] a the interior holes that have been

[1:26:10] there for 50 years of old pipe. That's

[1:26:12] same challenges that we have in our

[1:26:14] streets basically where we'll have

[1:26:15] blowouts and you fix one and you have

[1:26:17] another one right after that. And

[1:26:18] there's a lot of new, like uh councelor

[1:26:21] Staley pointed out, there's a lot of new

[1:26:22] stuff in there. There's all the laterals

[1:26:24] are all new pipe and um the a lot of the

[1:26:27] sprinklers are new, but the main lines

[1:26:29] are still there, but we can take that

[1:26:30] hole by hole and take our worst holes

[1:26:32] first and try to fix those things. So,

[1:26:34] we think we can do we can still make it

[1:26:36] better [clears throat]

[1:26:38] within our budget in a lot of cases and

[1:26:41] um continue to bring something to

[1:26:42] council about what we want to do to make

[1:26:44] it even better. So, um, water storm

[1:26:48] water conservation is another slide I

[1:26:50] got in here that's important. Uh, um,

[1:26:52] and educate the the public on cart

[1:26:54] damage because there we have a lot of

[1:26:55] carts and get a lot of cart damage. And

[1:26:58] we're looking at replacing a lot of

[1:26:59] bunkers over, you know, getting rid of

[1:27:01] the grass in the bunkers. It'll speed up

[1:27:02] play and less maintenance, things like

[1:27:05] that. So, um, we're looking at doing

[1:27:08] keeping some the key ones that are in

[1:27:10] play and getting rid of some that aren't

[1:27:11] so much in play. This is about the

[1:27:13] autonomous mowing which I like I said is

[1:27:15] very important. We had one there for a

[1:27:17] month mowing number 11 fairway and

[1:27:19] really and it's pretty amazing. The

[1:27:21] whole time we had it there we didn't

[1:27:23] replace one blade on it even. So um it's

[1:27:26] just pretty impressive how these things

[1:27:27] work and I think um there early on

[1:27:31] people are like didn't think this is

[1:27:32] these were real and I said go down to

[1:27:35] Scottsdale and tell me about the cabs

[1:27:36] that are driving around streets with no

[1:27:38] people in them. So, it's the same thing.

[1:27:40] >> Mike, on the autonomous mowers, are you

[1:27:42] recommending that you will reduce your

[1:27:45] staff in order to to get these?

[1:27:47] >> Well, no. We once we get them in place,

[1:27:50] then we'll start not replacing people as

[1:27:53] they go. We're not going to lay people

[1:27:54] off to get these, but as we get to and

[1:27:56] we have money budgeted right now for a

[1:27:58] large mower. We want to start with that

[1:28:00] and see where it goes. But, and

[1:28:03] my son is at a golf course that had more

[1:28:05] of these. I'll bore you for a quick

[1:28:06] second, but he's at a golf course had

[1:28:07] more autonomous mowers than anybody in

[1:28:09] the world at one facility. And uh he

[1:28:12] didn't sell it on on replacing staff,

[1:28:15] but we're going to try to do it where we

[1:28:16] don't have as many people working. And

[1:28:18] we think we can do that once we get the main cost of doing this is getting

[1:28:22] the electric to charge them out in

[1:28:24] certain places because you have to get

[1:28:25] out on the golf course. But we have

[1:28:26] another benefit here that a lot of golf

[1:28:29] courses around the country, my where my

[1:28:30] kids at, they don't have the sunshine

[1:28:32] that we have. So we could do solar

[1:28:34] charging stations too and and they do

[1:28:36] have solar chargers for these too, but

[1:28:39] we could do solar charging stations if

[1:28:41] we had to to do some of that too. So

[1:28:43] there are some cost benefits there we

[1:28:45] think for us too. So um but we think

[1:28:47] it's a it's obviously the way of the

[1:28:49] future. Uh my son's been giving talks at

[1:28:52] these at the golf conferences for many

[1:28:53] years and the first ones I sat in people

[1:28:55] were like h yeah that's not going to be

[1:28:57] real. It's not going to happen. Well,

[1:28:58] now you go there to the conference,

[1:29:00] there's booths everywhere with

[1:29:01] autonomous. They have autonomous range

[1:29:03] pickers where it goes out and picks the

[1:29:04] driving range balls, dumps them into the

[1:29:07] ball washer and puts them back into the

[1:29:09] cage where you can't get them out.

[1:29:10] There's no people that working at your

[1:29:12] driving range in that. So, there's this

[1:29:13] has really come a long ways and you

[1:29:15] know, mo a lot of people aren't selling

[1:29:17] it about replacing labor, but we think

[1:29:18] there are some definite labor savings in

[1:29:21] time. I hope I answered your question.

[1:29:25] I I guess I was just looking at how it

[1:29:28] was going to save money investing in new

[1:29:31] mowers. So, it won't until years down

[1:29:34] the road when you get when you lose

[1:29:35] those,

[1:29:36] >> you know, it was it depends how much you

[1:29:38] want to invest and how early, but

[1:29:39] >> we have $100,000 budgeted right now for

[1:29:42] a large mower that we're looking at

[1:29:43] trying to get some autonomous mowers and

[1:29:46] start in key areas. And um we really

[1:29:49] think we can do a lot with this over

[1:29:51] time. So it wouldn't be instant savings

[1:29:54] but

[1:29:55] in time it would be pretty substantial

[1:29:57] savings we feel. So um anyway that's so

[1:30:02] I don't know if I answered your question

[1:30:03] good enough but that's kind of what it

[1:30:05] is. So um and back to desert areas. This

[1:30:09] is something that we've we've started on

[1:30:10] obviously in my time here and we think

[1:30:12] there's a lot of potential to do more.

[1:30:14] We, like I said, we've identified

[1:30:15] between 15 and 20 acres where we can get

[1:30:17] rid of, you know, between the T and the

[1:30:20] fairway doesn't have to all be grass.

[1:30:22] Par three holes don't have to have

[1:30:24] fairways. You know, you're supposed to

[1:30:26] on a par three, you're supposed to be

[1:30:27] able to hit the ball from the tea to the

[1:30:29] green.

[1:30:30] So, we'll have a pretty large landing

[1:30:32] area in front of the green maybe and get

[1:30:34] rid of all the grass between the tee and

[1:30:36] that area. So, um, and we're not the

[1:30:39] only golf course doing this type of

[1:30:41] thing. There's a lot of them doing it.

[1:30:42] And if you look at the waste management

[1:30:44] course where the waste management's

[1:30:46] played, they have a lot of desert areas

[1:30:47] and desert areas aren't uh

[1:30:50] maintenancefree. There's still some

[1:30:51] maintenance involved in it, but you'd

[1:30:52] save a lot of water, pesticides,

[1:30:54] fertilizer, mowing, all that. So,

[1:30:57] there's a lot of savings there. We think

[1:30:59] um this explains it a little bit and how

[1:31:02] much we would save sprinkler wise just

[1:31:04] um starting on we're we're going to

[1:31:06] start on this. We've already done some,

[1:31:07] but we're going to do some more of it

[1:31:08] this winter. like number 10 is a par

[1:31:11] three, number 14 is a par three. Then

[1:31:13] we're going to take the sod that we peel

[1:31:15] up from that and put it in the bunker

[1:31:17] areas that we're going to be getting rid

[1:31:18] of the sand so there's less maintenance

[1:31:20] there, less less manh hours working on

[1:31:23] that, too. So, um, we'll be repurposing

[1:31:26] a lot of that. Um,

[1:31:29] turf out, these are some of the areas

[1:31:31] that we've done already just to show

[1:31:33] pictures of it. And irrigation is

[1:31:35] another thing. I've had this on here

[1:31:36] before. where we know when to water. The

[1:31:38] turf canopy temperatures get to 138

[1:31:40] degrees. Very hot here. We have cool

[1:31:41] seasoned grass, so it's a challenge. Um,

[1:31:44] we do use moisture meters to tell us

[1:31:46] when to water. Uh, and there's four

[1:31:49] separate irrigation systems, which I

[1:31:50] talked about, which is a challenge, too.

[1:31:52] And our our irrigation is all run off a

[1:31:54] city water pressure, not pipes that keep

[1:31:57] the consistent water pressure, which is

[1:32:00] what

[1:32:02] an expensive irrigation system would be

[1:32:04] where we looped them all together and

[1:32:05] we'd have one irrigation system, which

[1:32:07] mean putting pipes under streets and

[1:32:09] linking them all together. So, um, but

[1:32:12] we obviously have been working with this

[1:32:13] for a long time like it is and we can

[1:32:15] continue to do this. Um, irrigation

[1:32:18] runtime audits, these are important,

[1:32:19] too. We do this every day to so we're

[1:32:22] not using too much water obviously. And

[1:32:24] um storm water retention is another one

[1:32:26] where we all that rain that we had just

[1:32:28] lately none of the water left the golf

[1:32:31] course. It really all stayed in our

[1:32:33] storm water retention areas. This is

[1:32:34] where we've added them over the years.

[1:32:36] And what it does good, it keeps gets the

[1:32:38] course playable the day after it rains.

[1:32:41] So um we we that's worked out really

[1:32:45] well. And these are some areas where we

[1:32:46] have it. Um, and this is just an action

[1:32:49] item recap. So, all the stuff that I've

[1:32:51] kind of talked about, and this is the

[1:32:52] second to the last slide with all of

[1:32:54] that, what we're going to do and when

[1:32:56] we're going to come back to you with

[1:32:58] what days and all that. So, um, with

[1:33:02] that,

[1:33:07] thank you. And, um, I'd be happy to

[1:33:08] answer any questions or take any

[1:33:10] suggestions. and um like I said, we we

[1:33:14] worked hard on trying to go through his

[1:33:16] presentation and all that he had and uh

[1:33:19] bring this to you. So,

[1:33:21] >> thanks Mike. Actually, you know, when

[1:33:24] they started uh this Bill Street bypass

[1:33:26] and they were adding that lane coming

[1:33:28] back this way, it was such a

[1:33:29] disappointment to hear they were going

[1:33:30] to put a wall up for noise level. And I

[1:33:32] understand for the citizens that live

[1:33:33] along the golf course, but one of the

[1:33:36] most amazing things when you came up

[1:33:37] over the hill and you saw that beautiful

[1:33:39] green course, you thought this is pretty

[1:33:42] neat town.

[1:33:43] >> I liked it. But anyway, you mentioned

[1:33:45] it. Thanks for the report. Um

[1:33:48] councilors, councelor Dykins, start with

[1:33:50] you.

[1:33:52] If I am a season passholder, what what

[1:33:56] benefit is it for me to buy a season

[1:33:58] passholder versus not?

[1:34:01] >> Because you can play as much as you want

[1:34:03] to anytime you want to as long as

[1:34:06] there's a tea time available. If you're

[1:34:08] not a season passholder, then you have

[1:34:09] to pay every time you play. And

[1:34:12] obviously the fees are a lot.

[1:34:15] The problem with our season passes is

[1:34:17] they're such a good deal and some people

[1:34:19] play a heck of a lot where they get

[1:34:21] their round of golf down to about $5 a

[1:34:23] round. $10 a round instead of $65 a

[1:34:27] round. So you see what I'm saying? They

[1:34:28] can play as much as they want. Seven

[1:34:30] days a week, two times a day. They can.

[1:34:32] So, and but but what we're talking about

[1:34:35] doing with um tea times, charging more

[1:34:38] early, that's going to let us know and

[1:34:41] it's going to let them know too about

[1:34:44] how valuable the tea times are.

[1:34:46] >> Well, that actually leads me into the

[1:34:49] question. Um

[1:34:52] so, if you're a season pass holder,

[1:34:54] you're already getting a deal. Mhm.

[1:34:56] >> So you're in the thing it says

[1:35:00] to be fair to current season passholders

[1:35:05] 14 days to day of no booking fee.

[1:35:09] My point is and I don't fully understand

[1:35:12] that but the point is if you're a

[1:35:16] seasoned passholder you're already

[1:35:18] getting a deal. Why should we be giving

[1:35:20] them another deal

[1:35:23] with not having to pay for a booking

[1:35:27] fee?

[1:35:28] >> Well, the reason I say that for this is

[1:35:30] for the first year because they've

[1:35:32] already bought their season pass knowing

[1:35:34] that they can book it whenever they want

[1:35:36] and not have to.

[1:35:39] So, they've already paid for that. All

[1:35:41] of them that have them now have paid for

[1:35:43] that. And once we implement this, then

[1:35:46] they'll know that going forward it's

[1:35:48] going to be a booking fee to get a prime tea time.

[1:35:51] >> So when when is a season pass good for

[1:35:54] >> from the day you purchase it? It's

[1:35:56] >> from the day you p purchase it till

[1:36:00] >> the that day the next year.

[1:36:02] >> So it goes 365 days. So, somebody could

[1:36:06] go out and buy a season pass to

[1:36:08] tomorrow.

[1:36:09] >> Mhm.

[1:36:10] >> And they're not going to have to pay the

[1:36:13] uh

[1:36:15] >> the booking fees for a full year.

[1:36:18] >> But then they won't have to pay it if

[1:36:19] they wait till the 14 days. That's going

[1:36:21] to be from 90 days to 14 days. That's

[1:36:24] just for people that want to book early

[1:36:25] to be sure they get a tea time on

[1:36:27] Saturday morning. You see what I'm

[1:36:29] saying? So, they'll still be able to Not

[1:36:31] everybody's going to pay the $40. So

[1:36:32] there's still going to be tea times

[1:36:34] available 14 days which it is now.

[1:36:37] >> So So when is that deal going to stop?

[1:36:40] >> Well, we're going to go the next year we

[1:36:42] would make it so it's goes to 7 days. So

[1:36:44] we if they want to get a tea time and

[1:36:46] for sure they get a tea time. They got

[1:36:48] to pay that booking fee up to seven days

[1:36:50] and then if the course isn't full from

[1:36:53] people paying the $40 then they'll be

[1:36:55] tea times available.

[1:36:57] >> All right. I have more questions with

[1:36:59] that but I'll just talk to you after the

[1:37:00] meeting on that one. Um

[1:37:08] you you you said in your presentation

[1:37:11] that 6 to 11 is the prime time. Should

[1:37:16] we be charging more between the hours of

[1:37:19] 6 to 11 than like you said 12 to

[1:37:23] whenever?

[1:37:24] >> Well, and that's kind of what this is

[1:37:26] going to do. This implementing this fee

[1:37:28] is going to do that. Okay.

[1:37:29] >> It's going to tell us how valuable those

[1:37:31] times really are

[1:37:33] >> if people

[1:37:34] >> Well, you already know how valuable they

[1:37:35] are.

[1:37:36] >> Well, not really because people aren't

[1:37:37] having to pay extra to do it.

[1:37:38] >> Okay.

[1:37:39] >> So, [laughter] they just are that's our

[1:37:41] busiest time. We're full and um so we

[1:37:44] know that they're pretty valuable, but a

[1:37:45] lot of them are seasoned passholders

[1:37:47] that are using them, too. So,

[1:37:50] >> then it it also says on when things are

[1:37:53] going to be done. Some stuff will be

[1:37:55] immediate, some uh 30 to 60 days.

[1:38:00] When does the clock start?

[1:38:02] >> Well, the for the rates and things like

[1:38:04] that, we have to bring it back to

[1:38:05] council and get council approval. So,

[1:38:06] that's the stuff that's going to be 30

[1:38:08] to 60 days. The stuff that's immediate

[1:38:10] is stuff that we could start right now.

[1:38:12] It doesn't have rates tied to it. So,

[1:38:15] we're going to start We've already

[1:38:16] started that.

[1:38:17] >> Okay. Well, that that's really my

[1:38:18] question. We've heard over a month that

[1:38:21] there's things that you could start

[1:38:23] immediately

[1:38:24] >> and we've done that

[1:38:24] >> and that that was my question. Have you

[1:38:26] really started it or are you waiting for

[1:38:29] council to vote on something to before

[1:38:32] you start?

[1:38:32] >> Well, the rates that that's what we're

[1:38:34] going to wait on. We're going to bring

[1:38:35] it back to you about the rates that we

[1:38:36] want to implement and then you'll vote

[1:38:38] on those. But we've already started on

[1:38:40] the database. I mean 16,000 we've got

[1:38:42] and we started on we got the POSOS

[1:38:44] system pretty much dialed in where we're

[1:38:46] gathering all the data and be able to

[1:38:48] send emails out to those groups. Um so

[1:38:52] we've started on a lot of it. Anything

[1:38:53] that that says immediately we've started

[1:38:55] on

[1:38:56] >> and I may have been trying to dig

[1:38:58] through stuff as you were talking the proposed in in the presentation

[1:39:05] originally was to send out a newsletter

[1:39:08] monthly.

[1:39:09] >> Mhm. Has that started?

[1:39:11] >> It hasn't started, but we're we're

[1:39:13] working on it and going to start very

[1:39:15] shortly to get it out. We already sent

[1:39:16] it to our commission members. So, we're

[1:39:18] going to basically change that one up

[1:39:20] just a little bit and send it out to our

[1:39:22] email database and then we're also going

[1:39:24] to post it in the clubhouse.

[1:39:26] >> Okay.

[1:39:27] I'll talk to you after the meeting for

[1:39:29] the rest.

[1:39:30] >> Thank you, Councelor Dikkins.

[1:39:34] » Vice Mayor,

[1:39:35] >> thank you.

[1:39:41] This report was full of information. I I

[1:39:44] will give you that. Some of the things

[1:39:47] that I really, really, really want is I

[1:39:50] councelor Dykens uh alluded to it.

[1:39:56] Council has given direction to the golf

[1:39:58] course that we want to move the needle

[1:40:01] and that is no that that is no secret.

[1:40:05] So, I feel like um current and ongoing

[1:40:09] in the presentation is a little

[1:40:11] lackluster for me. I want to know like

[1:40:15] my question was going to be have you

[1:40:16] started the newsletter? When did it go

[1:40:18] out? The things that are current, what

[1:40:20] does current mean to you? Um I I love

[1:40:24] the prime tea times uh information that

[1:40:27] you're you're looking at that. But when you say that, you know, it's

[1:40:31] current or ongoing or um we're we're

[1:40:34] working on that, those aren't the things

[1:40:37] as a council member that's going to move

[1:40:39] the needle. I we've got to identify and

[1:40:43] I think that's why I was so harsh on JJ

[1:40:46] when he was here. Um I I I want

[1:40:51] tangible, measurable

[1:40:54] action items that are going to move the

[1:40:56] needle. So, let's talk about social.

[1:40:59] media. I think

[1:41:00] we are missing the mark. It's it's it's

[1:41:04] improved, but I think we're missing the

[1:41:06] mark on social media. We've got to get

[1:41:08] somebody that can get us some traction

[1:41:10] on social media. I want to see we have

[1:41:14] drones in the fire department. We have

[1:41:16] drones in the police department. We have

[1:41:18] I want to see flyovers of our golf

[1:41:20] course. If people can't see our golf

[1:41:22] course as they're driving through

[1:41:25] I40, they should be able to see our golf

[1:41:28] course and every aspect of our golf

[1:41:30] course. Um, from the beautiful views of

[1:41:34] the lava loop to the the holes that are

[1:41:37] along the freeway and the and now that

[1:41:39] we've got our golf course in in such

[1:41:41] great condition, it's prime time that we

[1:41:45] take it out to the masses and we start

[1:41:47] showing it off. I want to see I want to

[1:41:50] see Mike the pro go out and I want to

[1:41:52] see him do a video. I want to see him

[1:41:56] have play around with GoPro. I want to

[1:41:58] These are the things that are going to

[1:42:00] give us the the attention that we need

[1:42:03] because we do have that wall up and now

[1:42:05] people can't see our beautiful golf

[1:42:07] course. So you have to imagine where are

[1:42:09] people going to see our golf course?

[1:42:11] They're going to see it in media.

[1:42:13] They're going to see it on social media.

[1:42:15] So, we have to have somebody on staff or

[1:42:18] somebody um you know, maybe it's Sarah

[1:42:20] that you borrow for, you know, a while

[1:42:23] to do some some videos. Um so, I think

[1:42:27] social media is where we can get our

[1:42:30] biggest bang for our buck and that's

[1:42:33] where we're going to start building our attraction. The other thing with the

[1:42:38] database in the database you say it's

[1:42:40] current and ongoing. What are you doing

[1:42:42] with that database? Are you create I I

[1:42:45] know you said you were creating a

[1:42:46] newsletter, but what else are you doing

[1:42:49] to leverage that database? All the

[1:42:51] people that come from out of town, are

[1:42:53] you capturing all their information? And

[1:42:56] are you creating just a list of people

[1:42:59] that you can push information to from uh

[1:43:02] you know, people that are living in

[1:43:03] Phoenix when it gets too hot down there,

[1:43:06] people that you know are going to visit

[1:43:07] Laughlin. So, I I really feel like this although it was very comprehensive,

[1:43:14] I just I I want I I want tighter

[1:43:18] timelines. There's so many things that

[1:43:20] could be put into place um immediately.

[1:43:23] And I guess that's more of what I was

[1:43:25] looking for is an action item marketing

[1:43:27] plan. Um so, you know, are we offering

[1:43:31] practice rounds with every tournament uh

[1:43:33] registrant before they go play? you

[1:43:35] know, are we are we doing that to keep

[1:43:37] them at the golf course, which then

[1:43:38] feeds our our bar and grill? So, I mean,

[1:43:41] those are some questions. Uh, are we

[1:43:44] advertising to attract new golfers? Um,

[1:43:48] I I can meet with you offline because I

[1:43:50] have I have notes for days. I just I

[1:43:55] feel like we're just we're we're missing

[1:43:57] it and we're we're in an immediate

[1:44:00] situation here where we are wanting to,

[1:44:04] you know, boost those revenues. Have we

[1:44:06] created packages with maybe the local um

[1:44:08] hotel hotel motel to where if they come

[1:44:11] play a round of golf, you know, the

[1:44:14] hotel will, you know, do something with

[1:44:16] the room rate. So, so those are kind of

[1:44:18] the things that that I talked to JJ

[1:44:20] about that I I would like to see. We

[1:44:23] we've got to take an outofthe- box

[1:44:25] approach. Flyers and and you know,

[1:44:28] handouts and brochures are just not

[1:44:31] going to do it. We've got to have more

[1:44:32] of a presence um with video. Do we have

[1:44:34] a YouTube channel? You know, when TKO

[1:44:37] comes to town and he wants to play golf

[1:44:39] on the golf course, why aren't we

[1:44:40] videoing that? Why aren't we asking TK

[1:44:43] to hashtag, you know, Kingman Golf

[1:44:45] Course? Those are some things that are

[1:44:48] going to bring people to our course. And

[1:44:51] that's what I'm looking for. So, take

[1:44:54] all those comments. I I'm happy to to

[1:44:57] sit down with you and and go more into

[1:44:59] it because I know council probably

[1:45:00] doesn't want to hear, but I I like the

[1:45:03] information. This is a a good start. Um

[1:45:06] I just I want to see some more immediate

[1:45:08] action and I I understand you have to

[1:45:10] bring feeds back, but there's a lot of

[1:45:11] things that you can implement and put

[1:45:13] into practice immediately.

[1:45:16] And I can touch base touch on a couple

[1:45:18] of those just for now really. And I've

[1:45:20] talked to Sarah about this already. And

[1:45:22] so that's we've started on it already.

[1:45:25] So, you know, she's going to do some

[1:45:27] stuff and we've got drone coverage, but

[1:45:29] we have to get the verbiage written for

[1:45:30] to show what the drone sees.

[1:45:32] >> That's fine.

[1:45:32] >> So, we we've got a lot of that in place

[1:45:34] already. We're working on it. And a lot

[1:45:36] of some of you may not know that our

[1:45:38] golf professional, Mike, was a sports

[1:45:41] writer for a long time before he came

[1:45:43] back in the golf business. So, we feel

[1:45:45] like there's potential there to get him

[1:45:47] to do some writing and things like that.

[1:45:49] Then

[1:45:50] >> get him to do video. Writing is static.

[1:45:53] You've got to do video.

[1:45:55] >> Yeah.

[1:45:55] >> And we've done some of the videos

[1:45:57] already and not of golf, not of him

[1:45:59] golfing, but um we've got

[1:46:01] >> we have done some videos of repairing

[1:46:04] things and ball marks and things like

[1:46:05] that. So, but we will try to do more of

[1:46:08] that. If he can we can get him to hit

[1:46:10] the ball straight. We'll get a picture

[1:46:11] of that. Get a video of that and have

[1:46:12] him do that. If he hits the ball

[1:46:14] straight once, you can repeat that clip

[1:46:16] over and over and over. He just has to

[1:46:19] hit it once.

[1:46:20] >> I I'm just I'm very passionate about the

[1:46:22] golf course and I'm very passionate

[1:46:24] about

[1:46:25] >> that asset that the city has and we need

[1:46:28] to leverage it in every way possible.

[1:46:31] So, um I hope you don't take my comments

[1:46:33] as being negative because I'm I I just

[1:46:36] am very passionate and you guys are

[1:46:38] doing a good job. The course is in great

[1:46:40] condition. I I just I I want to see I

[1:46:44] want to see some some less I'm we're

[1:46:46] working on it and some more. Here's what

[1:46:48] we've done.

[1:46:49] >> That's what I want to see.

[1:46:50] >> And and I think we have done quite a bit

[1:46:52] but not everything. But the uh the

[1:46:53] hotels a lot of times what they want to

[1:46:55] do is for us to discount the golf to get

[1:46:57] people into their hotels. So we have

[1:46:59] talked to some of them and that's kind

[1:47:00] of the general. [snorts] It's not them

[1:47:03] discounting the rates, it's us

[1:47:04] discounting the golf. So, and you know,

[1:47:08] we can try that, but we think maybe we

[1:47:10] say

[1:47:10] >> I'm not asking anybody to discount

[1:47:12] anything. I'm just asking you to put we

[1:47:14] have a golf course that we know is worth

[1:47:16] playing at the rate that people pay.

[1:47:19] It's underval it's under underpriced and

[1:47:22] we have hotels that are not metro

[1:47:25] pricing. So, you just put a package

[1:47:27] together and make it easy for someone to

[1:47:29] book a whole weekend. I'm not asking for

[1:47:31] you to discount anything. I'm just

[1:47:33] asking you to work with the hotel yours

[1:47:35] and put packages together that then we

[1:47:37] can push out and say, "Hey, come to

[1:47:38] Kingman. We've got this package already

[1:47:40] for you." So that's that's it,

[1:47:42] >> right?

[1:47:44] >> All right. I think I've answered the

[1:47:45] rest of the stuff that I had answers

[1:47:47] for.

[1:47:47] >> You did a great job. Thank you, sir.

[1:47:49] >> Thank you, Vice Mayor.

[1:47:50] >> One more comment if I could.

[1:47:52] >> Yes. Go ahead. It it sounds like we're

[1:47:54] micromanaging, but honestly, maybe we

[1:47:57] should be for the fact that for years

[1:48:00] we've been losing $500,000 a year and

[1:48:03] it's time that that change. And so if it

[1:48:06] takes micromanagement, maybe it's

[1:48:09] necessary. But even with some of the

[1:48:12] things that you say, well, we've we've

[1:48:14] done this, we're we've started this,

[1:48:17] that doesn't say what. So, a thought I

[1:48:20] just had was instead of coming back

[1:48:23] every two weeks reporting on what you've

[1:48:25] done, maybe a simple email to the

[1:48:28] council members saying, "Hey, we've

[1:48:30] reached this roadblock and we've done

[1:48:32] this and the newsletter just went out

[1:48:35] yesterday." Um, you know, 30 days ago we

[1:48:38] talked about a newsletter and one hasn't

[1:48:40] been made. I used to make newsletters,

[1:48:43] so I know,

[1:48:44] >> yeah,

[1:48:45] >> it's possible. what's when's the

[1:48:48] deadline? You know, when is that pro

[1:48:51] going to write it? You know, various

[1:48:53] things like that. If you at least report

[1:48:55] it to us,

[1:48:57] you know, in an email,

[1:49:00] I think you might see a few of us a

[1:49:03] little more satisfied with. Okay. Yeah,

[1:49:05] we are seeing progress.

[1:49:08] >> Well, he's going to write that tonight

[1:49:09] when he gets home and uh we're going to

[1:49:12] email it out. We'll email it to all of

[1:49:13] you, too. So, uh, anyway, we're we are

[1:49:17] we've been working on and like I said,

[1:49:19] we already do it for our commission

[1:49:20] members. So, it's not like it's

[1:49:22] rewriting the whole thing. It's just

[1:49:23] being one that's more tailored to the

[1:49:25] golfers instead of just the commission

[1:49:27] members. So, we do it for the commission

[1:49:29] members and uh so I think it's very

[1:49:32] doable and like I said, we're we are

[1:49:35] working on it. So,

[1:49:38] >> thank you councelor councelor actually

[1:49:40] councelor I think councelor si has been

[1:49:42] waiting. Did you want to go first Jamie?

[1:49:44] Is it okay?

[1:49:44] >> Yeah. Okay.

[1:49:46] >> Thank you.

[1:49:46] >> No, you're welcome.

[1:49:47] >> Uh I made notes so I wouldn't forget

[1:49:49] some of the things. Okay. So

[1:49:52] I I'm a little confused by this

[1:49:56] presentation and JJ's presentation

[1:49:59] because what we asked for was a

[1:50:01] marketing plan. Exactly for the reasons

[1:50:04] uh what the vice mayor explained. Uh we

[1:50:07] need a we need a modernized marketing

[1:50:10] plan for the golf course. That isn't all

[1:50:13] these other things. That is literally

[1:50:15] what are you going to be putting on

[1:50:16] social media.

[1:50:19] Almost no one knows about the grill

[1:50:21] except the people that are golfers. They

[1:50:24] there was an article that hit social

[1:50:26] media and the majority of the comments

[1:50:28] were I didn't even know there was a bar

[1:50:31] and restaurant there. They didn't know

[1:50:33] it existed. That's a problem and that's

[1:50:36] why your grill isn't turning a profit.

[1:50:40] So, what we asked for was a marketing

[1:50:42] plan to address those kind of things. I

[1:50:44] don't think the majority of the town

[1:50:46] knows that you can have a wedding or an

[1:50:47] event at the golf course. They they

[1:50:50] really don't know what's there. And and

[1:50:52] that's part of my problem with spending

[1:50:54] city funds on the golf course is because

[1:50:58] it is a very exclusive

[1:51:01] park. It's not for everybody.

[1:51:04] If you're not currently using it, you

[1:51:06] don't know there's a grill. You don't

[1:51:07] know you can have a wedding there. And

[1:51:09] it's it's really just for those people.

[1:51:10] And that's why I supported a marketing

[1:51:13] plan because we want to get more people

[1:51:16] using it and we want it to make more

[1:51:18] money. I think we've been so clear that

[1:51:20] the golf course needs to make more money

[1:51:22] and lower its its expenses, those two

[1:51:25] things. And so part of my confusion is

[1:51:28] that this is a lot of we want more money

[1:51:31] for the golf course to invest in it. And

[1:51:34] I don't think you have a majority here

[1:51:36] that's willing to spend money to cover

[1:51:39] the the TE's uh or sorry the driving

[1:51:42] range. I I just I don't think that we

[1:51:45] support I don't I'm not going to speak

[1:51:47] for everybody. I don't support raising

[1:51:49] up the billboard. The consultant that

[1:51:51] you brought in here said the billboards

[1:51:54] are a waste of money. Why? So, why would

[1:51:56] we do that? And I was hoping that your

[1:51:58] report tonight would specifically say,

[1:52:00] "We're going to make these changes and

[1:52:03] we believe that will increase the

[1:52:04] revenue by this amount or we're going to

[1:52:07] make this change and it's going to

[1:52:09] decrease our annual expenses by this

[1:52:11] amount." And this is more um it's just

[1:52:14] very vague. So, what I really want to

[1:52:18] know is how are these changes going to

[1:52:20] impact your budget so that we can look

[1:52:22] at reducing how much comes out of the

[1:52:24] general fund next year and in future

[1:52:26] years to get the golf course to be less

[1:52:29] of a drain on that general fund. I think

[1:52:31] the people who use it should be the ones

[1:52:33] that are paying for the majority of it

[1:52:35] through whether that's through the fees

[1:52:37] or getting more weddings in there or

[1:52:40] some kind of advertising, those kind of

[1:52:42] things. So that that is really what we

[1:52:45] need to be seeing is just down to the

[1:52:47] nitty-gritty. It's either going to make

[1:52:49] more money or it's going to help save

[1:52:51] money. That's why I was asking about the

[1:52:52] mowers. If you want to invest in mowers,

[1:52:56] then it should be because you're going

[1:52:58] to get rid of some of your staff and

[1:53:00] it's going to save money immediately.

[1:53:02] Not not in 10 years when that guy

[1:53:04] retires. That that isn't worthwhile in

[1:53:07] my opinion. And then um

[1:53:12] that's it. I think those are all my

[1:53:14] comments. I I I just want to talk about

[1:53:17] how we're going to get you to a place

[1:53:19] where you're using less money, less city

[1:53:22] funds.

[1:53:23] >> And if I could just touch on the

[1:53:25] $500,000 deficit, that $500,000 deficit,

[1:53:30] it was $300,000 in the past. And the

[1:53:32] reason it's 500,000 because we have

[1:53:34] invested money into the golf course. So

[1:53:36] it it it is and you know um we need to

[1:53:39] slow down maybe investing in capital

[1:53:41] stuff there too maybe. I don't know but

[1:53:43] and there's ways that we can do the

[1:53:45] range and the um like Top Golf has and

[1:53:48] things like that with where it's paid

[1:53:50] for by somebody else and we share in the

[1:53:52] revenue in that and that till it gets to

[1:53:54] the

[1:53:55] >> right but at the end they want

[1:53:57] >> they're going to pay the money that

[1:53:59] we've

[1:54:00] >> it will cost us

[1:54:01] >> the money that we've made off of it

[1:54:02] would could go into an account where we

[1:54:04] save it to pay that. So, I mean, and our range revenue has increased just

[1:54:10] with the lights.

[1:54:11] >> There's people out there almost every

[1:54:13] night hitting golf balls in the dark and

[1:54:15] with the lights and stuff. So, I mean,

[1:54:17] it is the the money we invested in the

[1:54:20] driving range is paying off and we're

[1:54:21] finding out that some of the other

[1:54:23] places that have it are really doing

[1:54:25] very well with it. So,

[1:54:26] >> you know, it's we're gathering that data

[1:54:28] right now. It's hard to get it all in,

[1:54:30] but we are getting it and um finding it

[1:54:33] and and there are things like I said the

[1:54:35] 60 to 90 days of stuff that we have to

[1:54:37] get we have to bring it back to council

[1:54:38] with we're going to want to raise the

[1:54:40] rates by this amount and

[1:54:42] >> so when you come back with those I hope

[1:54:43] that you will have some estimates of how

[1:54:45] that will affect your bottom line so

[1:54:47] that we know what we're looking for

[1:54:49] >> and and it we it's a little bit hard to

[1:54:52] put a number that we can put something

[1:54:53] to it because when you raise the rates

[1:54:55] sometimes you lose

[1:54:57] >> the people that were getting such a

[1:54:58] deal. We can do an estimate. Yeah.

[1:55:00] >> Okay.

[1:55:02] >> Thank you, councelor Sely. Councelor

[1:55:03] Ward,

[1:55:05] >> basically Mike, what I was expecting was

[1:55:08] what we're going to do and when we're

[1:55:09] going to do it and the timeline on how

[1:55:14] do you track do you track your budget

[1:55:17] monthly where you are to budget for the

[1:55:19] year?

[1:55:21] >> Yes. [clears throat]

[1:55:21] >> Do you make adjustments if you're over

[1:55:23] or do you just keep going?

[1:55:27] if we're o well we don't go over we stay

[1:55:29] within our budget and I think we do a

[1:55:32] good job of staying within our budget

[1:55:33] but we at the end we

[1:55:36] >> have to

[1:55:38] boost it up to get things and that's

[1:55:40] where it gets but we we we haven't

[1:55:42] really gone over budget in very many

[1:55:45] accounts really and in labor we end up

[1:55:48] saving money sometimes by people that

[1:55:51] will

[1:55:52] leave to go to other jobs and they don't

[1:55:55] get filled for several months and things

[1:55:57] like that sometimes. So we save there

[1:55:59] too. So

[1:56:00] >> So if you're not over budget, how do we

[1:56:02] lose money every year?

[1:56:04] >> How come at the end of the year we end

[1:56:06] up a half million dollars short?

[1:56:10] >> I'm just trying to figure out. So, it's

[1:56:13] a good question and I think um

[1:56:16] Councilman Ward, I think where you're

[1:56:17] going with two different two different

[1:56:20] looks at it, but um

[1:56:23] what what you're saying is okay, we've

[1:56:25] budgeted this much, we're going to buy

[1:56:26] this equipment, we're going to do these

[1:56:28] things, invest in the golf course based

[1:56:30] on this type of revenue. So, when the

[1:56:33] revenues are down, do we adjust? And

[1:56:34] generally I think um because it's been a general fund for you

[1:56:41] know for since it's existed we budget

[1:56:45] those things based on general funds. You

[1:56:47] know any of the expenses we have

[1:56:48] budgeted in the revenues we estimate

[1:56:50] those revenues and and we we usually

[1:56:53] estimate them pretty close to where

[1:56:54] they're going to end up. Um but

[1:56:58] >> I understand where you're going. They

[1:57:00] should be closer together as far as

[1:57:01] tying together. Where I'm going is it

[1:57:04] should be freestanding. It should be on

[1:57:06] its own. Just like the water on the

[1:57:08] where it has to pay for itself. If it

[1:57:10] don't, then we need to do whatever we

[1:57:13] need to do. Get rid of it. Put somebody

[1:57:16] else in there. I'm just saying. I I

[1:57:18] fully expected at this meeting for you

[1:57:20] to come here and say, "We've went

[1:57:23] through the report. This is what we

[1:57:25] found. This is where we're going to

[1:57:27] start this. This is where we're going to

[1:57:28] start this. And this is where we're

[1:57:30] going to start this." if it should not

[1:57:32] take you another 60 to 90 days to bring

[1:57:35] something to council on the rates. I I

[1:57:38] don't I I just think that's a ridiculous

[1:57:42] timeline, but that's all I'm going to

[1:57:44] say. I I'm I'm done. If I can clarify on

[1:57:48] the rates, I don't think it means he

[1:57:51] won't bring anything in 60 to 90 days.

[1:57:54] [clears throat] The time frame for

[1:57:55] raising the rates because we have to

[1:57:56] advertise and all that to actually have

[1:57:58] higher rates would be the 90s. So, so

[1:58:00] we'll have something well before that 60

[1:58:03] to 90 days.

[1:58:04] >> Okay. One other thing, um, when the

[1:58:07] report came out, uh, one of the things

[1:58:10] that I noticed was that the, uh, yearly

[1:58:15] passes are staggered

[1:58:17] instead of like starting January 1 and

[1:58:19] going to January 1. Are we going to

[1:58:21] change that?

[1:58:22] >> No, they're they're from the day you

[1:58:24] purchase it for 365 days.

[1:58:28] So your your revenue for this year goes

[1:58:31] into next year.

[1:58:34] >> Yeah. And revenue from the last year

[1:58:35] >> where if you went from from this date to

[1:58:37] this date, it would be within a year.

[1:58:40] That's all I'm saying. I most places if

[1:58:43] you have a yearly it's January to

[1:58:45] January.

[1:58:46] >> No. where I was at in in Michigan in

[1:58:48] Indiana where you have snow and winter.

[1:58:50] We did that where you signed up early to

[1:58:52] get your season pass if you paid in

[1:58:55] January but it was from January till the

[1:58:57] next December 31st then you would we

[1:59:00] would have it so you got a discount if

[1:59:01] you paid in January and if you waited

[1:59:02] till June to buy it but it was only it

[1:59:04] would be yearly. So there are some that

[1:59:06] do that but here we have golf all year

[1:59:08] so it's

[1:59:10] >> would be kind of hard to

[1:59:12] >> unless you unless you proate back first.

[1:59:15] So I was used to year

[1:59:17] >> and that that where where I was at

[1:59:19] before where it's winters, we have that

[1:59:21] too. So but this the way they've always

[1:59:23] done it here and I I still think it's

[1:59:25] pretty good. I mean you're just doing it

[1:59:26] for a year and

[1:59:29] >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:59:32] And also about making it so it pays for

[1:59:35] itself. I mean, um,

[1:59:38] our pools don't pay for themselves and

[1:59:40] our softball fields don't pay for

[1:59:43] themselves and the dog parks don't pay

[1:59:45] for themselves and you know, and I

[1:59:47] understand what everybody's saying that

[1:59:48] golf should, but we have a lot of events

[1:59:50] in our city that are, you're correct,

[1:59:53] but a lot bigger percentage of the

[1:59:55] people use those other facilities than

[1:59:57] use the golf course that are actually

[1:59:59] citizens and taxpayers of

[2:00:02] >> we're finding that 90% of Mars

[2:00:05] residents. So, so, so far that's what

[2:00:07] we've found. 10% are non-resident

[2:00:09] >> resop changes and gets better.

[2:00:11] >> Residents because of the way we do

[2:00:13] resident passes or residents actually of

[2:00:16] the city itself.

[2:00:18] >> Well, to get to get our rates now, you

[2:00:20] have to be a a water user. You have to

[2:00:22] have a

[2:00:23] >> I'm asking residents as water users or

[2:00:26] residents of the city?

[2:00:29] >> Water users.

[2:00:32] not residents of you can be wherever

[2:00:35] like Butler uses the city water so those

[2:00:38] people can get it but Golden Valley

[2:00:40] doesn't so those people don't get the

[2:00:42] resident rate so our resident rate has

[2:00:45] really tightened up a lot and we're

[2:00:47] seeing that in the

[2:00:47] >> but again they're not actual

[2:00:51] residents of Kangman

[2:00:54] >> well this and the reason the reason we

[2:00:56] haven't done that before is because we

[2:00:58] don't have a property tax if we had a

[2:01:00] city property tax and I would agree

[2:01:01] fully that anybody that lives in the

[2:01:04] city should get the just the resident

[2:01:06] rate and not everybody else. So, you

[2:01:08] know, but we don't have a property tax.

[2:01:10] So, that's kind of that's why it's been

[2:01:12] the way it is. So, and if that the

[2:01:14] council would like to change that, we

[2:01:15] could change that too. But,

[2:01:22] » okay.

[2:01:26] » Uh this question is for you, Tim. uh

[2:01:29] what is the process to change this into

[2:01:31] an enterprise fund? Is that something

[2:01:34] that we would tackle during the budget

[2:01:36] or is that something that the city needs

[2:01:39] to know long before the budget season so

[2:01:41] that you can prepare for it?

[2:01:47] » [laughter]

[2:01:48] >> I'm looking back at I I believe it would

[2:01:51] be something we would tackle at budget

[2:01:52] season, but definitely that's something

[2:01:54] that if that's the direction council

[2:01:56] would like to go, we can plan for that.

[2:01:59] >> I think it's worthwhile. I know you're

[2:02:01] still going to have to transfer money uh

[2:02:03] out of the general fund until it does

[2:02:06] break even, but the council would have

[2:02:08] more control over exactly how much is

[2:02:11] spent every year. and that money is

[2:02:14] doled out and then that's

[2:02:17] it. It it'd be a way of us reducing how

[2:02:20] much comes out of the general fund. So

[2:02:22] that I mean that just I know we're not

[2:02:24] talking about that tonight, but I just

[2:02:26] want to know that process.

[2:02:28] Is that true? Is that correct, Tina?

[2:02:30] Thank you,

[2:02:33] >> Councelor Savage.

[2:02:35] Thank you. Hi, Mike. Um

[2:02:38] I'm going to go against grain a little

[2:02:40] bit. I like the direction it's going. It

[2:02:41] may it's not something that can be paced

[2:02:44] quickly. I mean, yeah, we'd like to have

[2:02:46] it a little sooner than later, but

[2:02:50] knowing the way the database

[2:02:52] was misconfigured, very hard to retrieve

[2:02:56] and building the data back up does take

[2:02:58] time, especially with the non-residents.

[2:03:01] Um, the online marketing, the

[2:03:03] newsletter, get it going as soon as you

[2:03:05] can. I I firmly believe that will help a

[2:03:08] lot. I think maybe A DOT should paint us

[2:03:10] a mural alongside that wall so we have a

[2:03:13] golf course there. Um they did take that

[2:03:16] away from us. Um

[2:03:19] take into consideration what everybody's

[2:03:20] saying. I I'm a golfer. I know the

[2:03:24] route. Um I'm happy with where it's

[2:03:27] going. Whether or not everyone else is

[2:03:29] going to be it's it's going to take a

[2:03:31] little patience, but it's it's just

[2:03:34] apparently a short lease. But the top Golf or not the Top Golf, but

[2:03:39] >> Top Tracer,

[2:03:40] >> if someone pays for it upfront and we're

[2:03:42] revenue sharing to pay it off, I don't

[2:03:45] have a problem with that at all. I know

[2:03:47] Mike, I talked with Mike, he had a

[2:03:48] concern about the downtime of the

[2:03:50] driving range. So maybe that's something

[2:03:52] we can look at how that will affect the

[2:03:53] driving range, especially at night. Um,

[2:03:56] but you could have parties there,

[2:03:57] bachelor parties. There's so much that

[2:03:59] could be attractive to have that kind of

[2:04:01] addition there. I know I'd be there. I

[2:04:03] lived right across the street. So, um, I

[2:04:06] love the golf course and I don't want to

[2:04:08] see it be a desert wasteland at all. So,

[2:04:11] that's all I got to say.

[2:04:14] >> Okay, Mike, I have I think you have an

[2:04:17] idea of what we want.

[2:04:19] >> I think so.

[2:04:20] >> Um, varied opinions, but I appreciate

[2:04:23] all the comments. We appreciate all the

[2:04:25] comments. Some great comments tonight

[2:04:26] and we appreciate the report.

[2:04:28] >> Thank you all. I appreciate all of you

[2:04:30] and I appreciate your input and um and

[2:04:33] we don't have to wait till a meeting for

[2:04:34] you to give me a call and tell me ideas

[2:04:36] that you have. Anybody I appreciate the

[2:04:38] ideas and be happy to meet you at the

[2:04:40] golf course and go around and look at

[2:04:41] things and say, "Hey, can we do this or

[2:04:43] can we do that?" I'm always welcoming

[2:04:45] that. So, feel free to give me a call

[2:04:47] anytime and um be happy to meet with

[2:04:50] you.

[2:04:50] >> Well, I think one thing too is

[2:04:52] communication. Um I think you've heard

[2:04:54] that we a lot we want some better

[2:04:56] reporting

[2:04:58] >> so you know or at least put us on that

[2:05:00] list with the the commission members so

[2:05:01] that we're getting

[2:05:02] >> we'll do that for sure.

[2:05:03] >> Okay right from the get-go. So thank

[2:05:06] you.

[2:05:06] >> Thank you all.

[2:05:08] >> Okay. Item number six announcements by

[2:05:10] mayor council members and city manager.

[2:05:12] Walsh.

[2:05:14] >> Thank you mayor. Um couple of things.

[2:05:17] Annie gave me a post-it note and I left

[2:05:19] it in my office. So, I know we have Walk

[2:05:21] Away from Drugs coming up on the 21st.

[2:05:24] >> Oh, yeah.

[2:05:26] >> And Annie, what am I missing?

[2:05:28] >> We have coffee with the mayor this

[2:05:30] Thursday here in council chambers for

[2:05:32] anybody that would like to join. Special

[2:05:34] treat. Our deputy city manager will be

[2:05:37] sitting in on that with the mayor. We

[2:05:40] also are hosting the Tri City Council

[2:05:42] meeting at the end of this month in

[2:05:44] Kingman. So, that's an opportunity if

[2:05:46] people haven't had an opportunity to

[2:05:48] attend that. And the only other thing

[2:05:51] that I gave manager Walsh is that the

[2:05:54] kayak mural on the back of the Mojave

[2:05:57] wash wall is um complete. They're just

[2:05:59] finishing up the protective coating on

[2:06:02] that. So if you haven't had an

[2:06:03] opportunity um get out there and look at

[2:06:05] it. It is beautiful.

[2:06:08] >> Thank you.

[2:06:10] >> Actually, Annie, you said it all right

[2:06:12] there in that kite and that mural is

[2:06:13] amazing. So, I would Yeah, please get

[2:06:17] out there and take a look at it.

[2:06:19] Councelor Savage,

[2:06:20] >> I have nothing to report.

[2:06:22] >> Okay. Councelor Ward, Councelor Saley,

[2:06:26] Councelor Dykins, Vice Mayor,

[2:06:29] >> I do. I wanted to give um

[2:06:33] just a huge thank you to staff um for

[2:06:37] the magnificent uh ceremony and

[2:06:39] celebration of the opening of Flying

[2:06:40] Fortress yesterday. That was a great day

[2:06:44] for Kingman and you made it as special

[2:06:46] as it should have been. Um, on that

[2:06:49] note, uh, I have seen a comment on

[2:06:53] social media that it is the exit to

[2:06:55] nowhere. So, I will mention this that

[2:06:58] Rome was not built in a day. We are

[2:07:01] still working on the road out to the

[2:07:04] airport. However, we do have an

[2:07:06] interchange that was 50 years in the

[2:07:08] making, and that's worth celebrating.

[2:07:10] So, please enjoy the celebration of the

[2:07:13] opening of that part of town and um

[2:07:17] let's have a little grace.

[2:07:19] >> Got to start somewhere, right? That's

[2:07:22] right. Definitely. Thank you, Vice

[2:07:24] Mayor. Appreciate that. Um as I

[2:07:26] mentioned earlier, of course, a lot of

[2:07:27] activities going on. Um, I was able to

[2:07:30] on Saturday actually once again talking

[2:07:33] about our veterans, JAVC had a memorial

[2:07:36] service for three of our veterans that

[2:07:38] lived in our community

[2:07:40] but didn't really have family and it was

[2:07:43] actually a special memorial service they

[2:07:44] had on Saturday at at 4:00 at Journey

[2:07:47] Church and it was great to attend and I

[2:07:50] appreciate the invitation. I appreciate

[2:07:51] all that JVC does for our veterans. Um,

[2:07:54] good stuff going on.

[2:07:57] Um,

[2:07:59] what else? And of course, I told you

[2:08:01] about the young Marines.

[2:08:03] Sunday afternoon, I was able to go out

[2:08:05] and greet the air crew as they flew in.

[2:08:08] There was a number of crowd people out

[2:08:10] there. In fact, it was amazing how many

[2:08:12] there's probably over 100 citizens at

[2:08:13] least out there on Sunday afternoon just

[2:08:15] to see this B7 land at the airport.

[2:08:18] >> So, of course, I'm an airplane nut, so

[2:08:21] I'm going to mention it. But, um, it was

[2:08:23] a great thing. And of course in

[2:08:24] yesterday the fly over and once again as

[2:08:27] vice mayor said I echo what they said.

[2:08:29] Thank you staff for all that you've done

[2:08:30] for that to get that event across the

[2:08:33] finish line and such an amazing time

[2:08:35] yesterday. Couple of different things we

[2:08:37] do have coming up this weekend. The

[2:08:39] Kingman Route 66 street drags. Let's not

[2:08:42] forget that. Of course be careful in

[2:08:43] that area. Uh October 9th through the

[2:08:46] 11th. And then um October 16th and 17th

[2:08:51] we have the Route 66 fest at uh Lewis

[2:08:56] Kingman Park. So some great stuff coming

[2:08:59] up in our community. Please pay

[2:09:01] attention to uh either the website, go

[2:09:03] on to the city app on your phone and all

[2:09:06] these different things. You can see

[2:09:07] what's happening in our city. There is

[2:09:08] no reason for someone to say, "Well, I

[2:09:10] don't know what's going on." Yes. All

[2:09:12] you have to do is get plugged in, of

[2:09:15] course, and you can always unplug when

[2:09:17] you want, but if you want to know, this

[2:09:18] is what you do. So, appreciate all

[2:09:20] that's done in our city. That's all I

[2:09:22] have for tonight. Um,

[2:09:25] final thing, item seven, future council

[2:09:28] request for future reports and updates.

[2:09:31] Council, anything?

[2:09:34] Okay, it is a quiet evening then. Thanks

[2:09:37] one. Well, thank you all once again for

[2:09:38] being in council chambers tonight. We

[2:09:40] appreciate your particip participation

[2:09:43] and have a good evening and be safe

[2:09:44] going home.

City Council Meeting - 10/06/2026

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