[0:00] Okay, meeting

[0:04] Yes, Jerry. >> Yes.

[0:07] » France >> Yes.

[0:08] » Correct. >> Yes.

[0:11] » That was Okay.

[0:15] Let's stand for a pledge of allegiance and a prayer.

[0:22] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

[0:28] republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and

[0:35] justice for all.

[0:39] » Dear heavenly Father, as we come this evening, we just take a moment and just

[0:42] ask that you guide and direct us and help us make the best decisions for the

[0:46] town of Kirkland. We ask all these things in your name we pray. Amen.

[0:50] » Amen.

[1:07] » In your packets um that Tara had sent us, we had um meeting

[1:11] minutes and then from our regular meeting that

[1:14] we held and we had a special meeting on um

[1:18] June 30th. Did you guys have any corrections or

[1:22] changes? >> No.

[1:25] » No.

[1:31] » I make a motion to approve the minutes of our regular meeting held on

[1:35] 6/8/25 and our special meeting held on

[1:39] 6/30/2025. >> They were 26.

[1:43] » 26 >> Second.

[1:45] » Oh, it did say >> So, we have a motion and a second. All

[1:48] those in favor raise your right hand. Motion carries.

[1:55] And we're going to start our new business

[1:58] for tonight. And we have a um resolution.

[2:04] Um we're going to do a resolution to reduce the um 2026 budget for the park

[2:10] repairs and maintenance in the amount of $4,000 and we're going

[2:14] to appropriate it in the year um the 2027 budget.

[2:22] So, our resolution is 2026-7-1, resolution by the Kirkland Town Council.

[2:29] We, the Kirkland Town Council, resolve to reduce the 2026 budget for the

[2:34] following funds park repairs and maintenance

[2:37] appropriation 2204.001.325.000

[2:43] in the amount of $4,000 to be appropriated for the 2027 budget.

[2:51] So, we have a resolution that's been presented.

[2:54] » I make a motion that we approve resolution 2026-7-1.

[3:01] » Second. >> So, we have a motion and a second on

[3:04] this resolution. All those in favor, raise your right hand.

[3:07] Motion carries. And then

[3:10] Carla has for us to sign, so you don't forget to sign it.

[3:52] All right. We're going to move on to old business

[3:55] now and Billy, we have the park item first.

[4:00] Old business. >> There's nothing new

[4:03] at the park. Uh we're waiting uh delivery on the

[4:08] merry-go-round and the installation of the

[4:12] pour-in-place uh ADA

[4:17] surround for the merry-go-round. Uh we do do not have an installation

[4:22] date at this time. >> Okay.

[4:27] I have heard lots of compliments on the new playground equipment.

[4:33] So.

[4:40] And we're going to move on to the next item is storm water.

[4:47] » Um the surveyor for Commonwealth will be here

[4:52] on July the 16th. Uh he'll be going around town uh

[4:57] surveying uh the uh

[5:00] uh known storm structures throughout town.

[5:04] So, if anybody sees him or asks questions,

[5:09] uh that's who that will be. He'll be a

[5:12] surveyor with Commonwealth starting on the

[5:16] storm water stuff.

[5:25] Okay.

[5:29] And now we're ready for you, Billy, on your utilities.

[5:33] » All right. You have an update in front of you.

[5:36] Uh I do not have

[5:40] anything to add to that.

[5:45] Go through ask questions.

[6:04] We finally got all the storm brush cleaned up.

[6:08] Finally. Big help with the

[6:12] doing it wells. They came in and gave a full 8 hours of work.

[6:18] And they uh they together hauled about

[6:23] 14 of those dump trailer loads. Act.

[6:29] So uh they they put enough on their dump

[6:32] trailer that it would have taken about three or four of our dump trucks to

[6:36] actually put what they put on one load. So

[6:39] » And I know like Chris Ragsdale did some did some help with Drew and then Chris

[6:43] did it again on Saturday with messing >> your stuff.

[6:46] » So that was a big thank you to them too for helping.

[6:49] » Yeah. So there's >> There's a possibility we give Drew a

[6:51] bonus for his work. Extra work that he did for storm clean

[6:56] up. >> Um I get we get

[6:59] also what ask his boss I that would come through Billy too. That would be if he'd

[7:03] want to make a recommendation on do something like that. We get bonuses at

[7:07] Christmas time too but I mean >> And maybe recognize the uh

[7:11] » Yeah. >> town people that helped him as well.

[7:13] » Yeah.

[7:17] » I have a I a random question for you. I guess. You are in contact with INDOT

[7:23] from time to time. Uh in Sheridan the sign for Kirkland is

[7:28] misspelled. Yeah. So I don't know if you can contact

[7:31] them about that. Um it's Kirk land out town

[7:37] instead of Kirkland and it's right where Good Going and the Farmers Bank is

[7:43] So We're going to be taking all that out

[7:46] soon anyway for the roundabout they're building there. So that'd be a good time

[7:51] for them to fix the sign. >> Oh yeah, that's true.

[8:03] » Um I was going to ask Billy too like how the dump truck is. I know I it was down

[8:08] and it was getting fixed. That was part of the delay on some of our pickup too.

[8:12] Is it better or >> No. Um

[8:18] Billy Scott was supposed to have fixed it.

[8:22] Uh so we used it one Monday. Dropped it off at his shop that evening.

[8:29] He pulled it into the shop. Uh and then the following Sunday

[8:35] I checked with Adam to see if they had done anything.

[8:39] And they hadn't even touched it. So it set in his shop for about a week.

[8:44] » Okay. >> Uh so now I'm looking for somebody else

[8:47] to do the work. >> Okay.

[9:07] And I know like under the I've got on your um

[9:11] last item for the park department um

[9:16] we had on there like the bridge and Duke Energy. I did talk to a

[9:20] Bill Brock today and Brian Jones Electric and I know Bill's

[9:25] going to be starting some of the um preliminary stuff for

[9:30] for the um under boring and stuff like that. They're

[9:34] going to get preliminary stuff done so Duke can come in and finish the, uh,

[9:37] electrical stuff. So, there's prep work that I guess Ryan

[9:41] Jones has to do first, so.

[9:47] You guys have any other questions or anything for Billy or

[9:53] Okay. Okay. >> But but but Billy, have they ever done

[9:56] any probing over there where they want to build that building?

[10:00] Every time I ask Bill Brock, he's

[10:04] » I have no idea. I mean

[10:07] » You know what? We got into it several years ago.

[10:09] » I mean, there's there's no utilities in that area. They may run into an old

[10:14] basement foundation or >> That's what I'm saying there.

[10:17] » concrete structure, but you know, once they start digging into

[10:21] it, I mean, they'll they'll either jackhammer it or bring in

[10:25] a larger excavator to get it out. >> I know the architects have been over

[10:29] there and have have looked. Like from Mafia, I know they've been

[10:33] over and looked at the the area. >> Yeah, they've they've walked the area,

[10:37] but I I don't know if >> I don't know if they broke it or not. I

[10:39] don't know that. >> know that anybody's done any subsurface

[10:42] inspections or whatever, but I mean the only thing they'll find is maybe an

[10:48] old foundation or some area that was filled in if if the basement was in that

[10:53] area. Um

[10:55] and if so, you know, what once it's inspected, once they get everything dug

[11:00] out, uh,

[11:02] in order to rectify all of that, they'll have to fill it in with homo fill.

[11:08] Um so,

[11:10] I mean, even if they run into something like

[11:14] that underground, there are ways that APC requires the ground to be stable so

[11:20] that they can still continue to build their building.

[11:23] Uh, it may be a little extra cost to to the bridge or whatever.

[11:26] » Well, you seen what they got into several years ago when they wanted to

[11:29] extend that track over there. >> Yeah.

[11:32] » That's footer was that big a square.

[11:36] And uh somebody had their excavator over and

[11:40] couldn't even move it. Russell had to bring his cuz

[11:43] » I ran into that when I put that water line in.

[11:48] Um of course there was another building set

[11:51] beside the original where the basketball There was another building set there

[11:55] that I I believe. Uh it had the gym and and the bus

[12:00] » So there's stuff anyway. >> When I put that water line in

[12:04] I ran through or dug through what was the staircase to the basement.

[12:09] » Yeah. >> Uh and we hauled uh we hauled

[12:14] six loads of nothing but brick. >> Brick and junk.

[12:18] » And then we had to fill it back in and then

[12:21] I ran into a large uh concrete structure.

[12:25] Uh Mike Henry brought his big excavator out

[12:29] there and we barely got it on the truck. We barely got it hauled off so

[12:34] it it took the whole truck to to haul it but

[12:38] uh yeah, I mean there's no telling what they're going to run into.

[12:43] Uh but whatever they do there are ways that can stabilize the ground and they

[12:48] can build whatever they need to do. >> Yeah, that part where that building is,

[12:53] where the tennis court and such is, that's where the new building was, the

[12:57] high school. And then west of that was the gymnasium. The big old brick

[13:02] building was to the south. >> Mhm.

[13:04] » And it had basement in it. >> Yeah, the the big brick The original big

[13:08] brick building uh one of the sidewalks

[13:15] uh well, I took one out 2 3 years ago that went to the original building and

[13:20] it was just right behind where the flower bed is now.

[13:27] But yeah, I mean anytime you dig, it's going to be an adventure.

[13:32] I mean, I found that out when we put the uh

[13:35] playground equipment in and stuff like that.

[13:38] I hauled two or three backhoe buckets of brick

[13:42] we dug out. I mean, nothing major, but I mean, it

[13:45] was enough to uh keep playing. >> Yeah, a lot of that back in the day was

[13:49] playground anyway. To the south and then all around.

[13:54] » Yeah. I do I do know that where the the kiddie

[13:57] playground area is is where the old septic tank for the

[14:03] school system was. And uh

[14:07] yeah, it's it's huge.

[14:10] » Yeah, Phil Brock knows a lot about that if you want to ever ask any questions on

[14:13] it. He's got some funny stories.

[14:20] Are you anything else? >> No.

[14:23] » Okay, I'm going to move on to um Steve for the marshal.

[14:29] » I think Terrace sent you a copy of the monthly report. We had uh

[14:34] 79 traffic stops. Out of those, we issued 14 traffic citations.

[14:39] We had 43 incident reports and four criminal arrests.

[14:44] Um I'm working on some Department of

[14:47] Homeland Security or a Department of Homeland Security grant now.

[14:53] In hopes of receiving some grant funding for new two-way radio equipment. Try to

[14:58] head off um a need we're going to have in a couple years when the state

[15:02] upgrades their state way radio system that we operate on.

[15:06] All the uh all but two of our current radios will be inoperable on that new

[15:11] upgrade. And so, we're trying to head that off so we don't have an

[15:16] expense in the future. And then, I've been gathering

[15:19] information on the speed limit signs. And they're getting information on the

[15:24] permitting process for that from the state highway.

[15:27] And uh the town of Rushville

[15:30] just recently put in uh three of those and uh

[15:34] as well as the did the town of Dayton. So, I've been to meet Cape with their

[15:38] marshals and got some information from them on that.

[15:41] They've been a big help. I just wanted to thank our reserve

[15:45] officer uh Brandon Garber the night of the storm. He drove out

[15:49] here from Kokomo and stayed several hours and helped me

[15:53] um and again, he's a reserve and he doesn't

[15:56] get paid and that that was a big help and then he spent about all day

[16:00] on Saturday assisting me with the uh festival. So,

[16:04] um he did a good job and I appreciate all that he did.

[16:07] And uh Officer Turner and Officer White have

[16:10] done a really good job. We all work well together and the transmission transition

[16:13] has been smooth and I appreciate everybody's support.

[16:18] Um I did go over and talk with the librarian the other day about the camera

[16:22] view of the power line uh for the Narcan box.

[16:27] And I showed that to uh Billy the other day and really the only place

[16:33] that's got a really good view is right around the fire hydrant.

[16:37] And we don't want people pulling up parking by fire hydrant.

[16:41] Um you can see off in the distance or up by 421 and back around by the tower, but

[16:47] it's just it's not as good as up around fire hydrant.

[16:50] But after talking to Billy, I don't we don't see and correct me if I'm wrong,

[16:55] Billy, but I think the consensus was is we really don't see a need that needs to

[16:59] be videoed anyway. >> True.

[17:01] » Um that's something that they're going to be if they're going for that, it's

[17:04] going to be an emergency and I don't I don't feel that they're going to be

[17:07] tampering with it. At Rossville, we mounted the one that we have

[17:11] on the side of the utility garage, which is a block north of 20 26

[17:16] on the east end of town. We've not had any issues with that.

[17:21] And uh >> Would we just stick that on like a pole

[17:24] over there then? Yes, that's the >> It's not real big. It's just It's just a

[17:29] little bitty box and you can put a 4 by 4 post or something in the ground

[17:33] and mount it on that. >> Okay.

[17:35] » It It won't be our responsibility to maintain it or refill it.

[17:39] » Okay. >> We just

[17:41] allowing someone to have a place to put it.

[17:43] » Okay. >> So that's my recommendation. Um

[17:48] » So maybe like on the on the opposite side of the where the fire hydrant maybe

[17:52] the opposite side like behind it? Like on the other side of it? Is that what

[17:55] you're thinking or >> Well, it it can't be anywhere within

[18:01] 30 ft of the fire hydrant because Oh, got you. Okay.

[18:05] » Yeah. >> I didn't realize that. Okay.

[18:07] » In fact, the fire department actually wants some type of drive barrier system

[18:13] there so that nobody can park within >> Okay.

[18:16] » that distance uh because they can't get to the fire hydrant most of the time

[18:20] when um

[18:23] the library is in operation or you know, events downtown or when Bookers has a

[18:29] you know, a special evening or whatever. So

[18:31] » So where would you Where would you or Billy Where would you guys recommend

[18:34] putting this post then? Like a like an exact location

[18:37] » think I don't I don't know that Billy and I really come

[18:40] up with that a place, but I I don't see why we

[18:42] wouldn't want to just put it up on the west end out by 421.

[18:47] And uh that way if somebody's needing it, they can pull right in there and get

[18:50] to it and it's well out of the way of the fire hydrant

[18:52] » Like at the edge of like where the gravel and the grass is like kind of

[18:55] right there? Like that edge, right? Okay.

[18:58] » I think that'd be all right.

[19:04] » You know, it might be a good idea to have a written agreement with

[19:09] the organization that's providing it as to making it clear that it it is

[19:15] » Not our responsibility. >> It is their responsibility

[19:18] and to maintain it and

[19:21] to keep it

[19:23] filled and that we're not we don't have any

[19:27] responsibility if it's damaged or >> Or if it's empty and it's needed.

[19:32] » Mhm. >> Or yeah and and somebody then

[19:36] » Or somebody has an adverse effect to it they can't sue the town either.

[19:39] » That's right. >> It's a bad batch. You know, you just

[19:43] don't even know. Yeah.

[19:46] And then I gave you there's and there was an electronic version of

[19:51] one quote and then I was able to receive a second quote and I didn't have time to

[19:55] get that verified and I sent out a copy to everybody.

[19:58] The night of the storm well, I noticed when I took over the some of the

[20:02] emergency lighting on the F-150 were acting funky and not acting quite

[20:07] right. And then the night of the storm

[20:10] I was driving the Explorer and Randall was driving the Ford pickup truck

[20:16] and he came up here to help me with some traffic 421 and 38 and I asked him I

[20:21] said what's going on with those lights and he said that they they

[20:24] malfunctioned for quite a while. So I

[20:29] took it over to Lafayette to give it to the spear. They looked at it and the

[20:32] lights on that truck are holding moisture.

[20:37] And what's happening is is when it gets a certain amount of

[20:41] moisture in those lights it's causing them to short.

[20:44] And when they short, they change flash pattern, they change color or they just

[20:49] don't even work. And uh

[20:53] So the recommendation I spoke with three outfitters.

[20:57] All three agreed that the lights that were put on that new that the brand of

[21:01] those are Phoenix and apparently they're notorious for holding water.

[21:05] They're out of warranty and the only way to rectify the situation is to replace

[21:09] them with new lights. I mean, they water is included. There's nothing they can do

[21:13] for us. >> Um on your quote from Tip of the Spear

[21:17] and then move over Outfitters, are these I Are these the same quote? They They

[21:22] have them worded differently in the Outfitters compared to this one. So, are

[21:25] these like >> They're different. One One company uses

[21:29] one brand, another company uses another. >> Okay, that's why

[21:32] » They're When When you After you sift through it, there's a $154.26

[21:37] difference between the two. >> Okay.

[21:40] » The one that's the lower of the two, my only concern with that is is if you read

[21:46] through the quotes, and I highlighted on the second one that I gave you,

[21:51] they've left a lot of leeway for unknowns.

[21:55] » Okay. >> And we may have to charge for this, we

[21:57] may have to charge for that. There's a couple items on there that they don't

[22:01] know what they're going to use at this point. I don't know how they quoted

[22:04] something that they don't know what they're going to use, but they did.

[22:07] The other estimate And And that estimate there, they didn't even have me bring

[22:12] the truck and look at it. They just wanted me to text them pictures, and

[22:15] they gave me a quote off of pictures. >> Okay.

[22:17] » I wouldn't trust over the last The estimate that's $154 more,

[22:24] he has even included making back plates if he needs to on his laser printer to

[22:29] make sure everything fits right. Um I I just feel that for $154, I feel a

[22:34] lot more comfortable comfortable with the with the quote from Tip of the

[22:38] Spear. He took over an hour of his time. I

[22:41] drove it over there, he looked at it. Um I mean, he he wrote He He thoroughly

[22:46] inspected it. >> Well, I also noticed on um the Tip of

[22:50] the Spear, like his Whelen light heads

[22:54] have a 10-year warranty on them. >> That was going to be my next point, yes.

[22:57] » Oh, okay. I just >> Yeah.

[23:00] So, it would be my recommendation um that if if you do approve moving forward

[23:05] with fixing these lights that we left up at the spear tip of the spear did did

[23:10] just outfit a new Tahoe for the Roscoe Police Department. And he did a very

[23:15] nice job. Everything works good. It's all professional. And uh

[23:20] the Roscoe voters happy with it. So, that would be my recommendation.

[23:24] But other than that, I don't have anything else unless you have questions.

[23:30] » I have a question. Uh there's been a lot of dump trucks

[23:33] flying through here. Have you stopped any of those?

[23:35] » We had 79 traffic stops. And there's semis and dump trucks through all of

[23:40] them. >> Good.

[23:45] We don't have insurance that covers nothing on that truck or is that sort of

[23:48] like a specialty and there's nothing to cover that?

[23:51] » No, that's just normal wear and tear.

[23:56] Added equipment on the truck.

[24:05] » And I think that's probably like Your your light burning out in your car

[24:10] is not covered. If If uh hail breaks it, it is.

[24:14] » Right. >> Right.

[24:21] » So, Steve's presented us with a couple of um quotes.

[24:26] Do you have any other questions for him on these or

[24:30] does anyone want to entertain a motion if no other questions or

[24:34] » I like Tip of the Spear. Especially like you said, it's warrant they do.

[24:42] » Did you make a motion, Craig? >> I have not yet.

[24:44] » Oh, okay.

[24:50] » I make a motion to accept Tip of the Spear's estimate to get the lights fixed

[24:55] on the Um, police truck.

[25:01] » I'll second that. >> The amount's uh 2,699.66.

[25:06] Yeah. So, we have a motion and a second. All

[25:09] those in favor raise your right hand. Motion carries.

[25:14] » Thank you.

[25:22] » Did you want to talk about the speed signs or no or

[25:26] » I can. They're >> I Not that, just for us to look at.

[25:29] » I just got a quote today >> Okay.

[25:32] » uh for four of the speed signs at $7,000.

[25:37] » Okay. >> And I am uh

[25:40] exploring a couple angles. I'm trying to get some grant funding and other means

[25:44] of funding for those. The town of Rushville, he was able to

[25:48] get all three of his paid for at no expense to the town. So, there's there's

[25:52] stuff out there. I just I've had a lot on my plate trying to get all the stuff

[25:56] switched over out of Brennan's name and into mine. Then we had the festival and

[25:59] we had the storm. And I'm not as far along as I wanted to

[26:02] be, but >> No, thanks for even

[26:05] » I'm working on >> getting something. Yeah, it's exciting

[26:07] to even see it. So, yeah. >> What's really neat uh the the marshal at

[26:11] uh Michigan Town is looking at them, too.

[26:15] And and he was explaining to me that he can pull up next to that his car and

[26:21] through Wi-Fi he can download it it's keeps a traffic count.

[26:26] And it gives you it'll break it down by time of day, the average speed of the

[26:30] vehicle coming through. So, you can use that data to decide when

[26:34] you need to have targeted enforcement for excessive speed.

[26:39] » Oh, that's pretty cool.

[26:43] I get Jerry and I could probably tell you times right off the top of our

[26:46] heads. >> I'll tell you what, I've been

[26:48] Of those four criminal arrests that we had,

[26:52] uh one was a reckless driving. I had been to Frankfort to take care of some

[26:56] stuff one day and I was just north of town and got one at 95 mph.

[27:02] And it just it amazes me. And if they're running that well and

[27:05] then I had another one. I was sitting in the parking in the gravel lot at the uh,

[27:11] substation and was running radars they were coming

[27:15] in town and had one at 87 coming into that 40.

[27:18] » Oh, wow. >> And it's just it If they're running that

[27:20] fast at the edge of town, how fast are they running in town?

[27:23] » Wow. >> So,

[27:26] we've been busy. >> Yeah, thank you.

[27:28] » Thank you.

[27:30] Wow. >> And if you have anything else then

[27:33] Steve, you're done? >> No, I said thank you.

[27:35] » Um, we're going to move on to the clerk treasurer items.

[27:41] I'm just signing the checks. So, Carolyn needs us to sign some of the um,

[27:46] regular documents for Tara.

[28:14] All of these documents we're signing have already in our packets for her from

[28:18] Tara. So, we've already seen all the all these documents, so.

[28:23] We just have to sign officially for her so she has her signature on it.

[28:49] Do you get all your steps on? >> Yes.

[28:51] » Everything signed? Okay. >> Okay.

[28:54] » Um the other thing that she had in our packet was um

[28:59] we had a um adjustment from Jason Moore.

[29:04] I didn't know if you guys had time to look at the adjustment on that. I think

[29:08] it looks pretty looks pretty standard.

[29:13] » Did he just put the water portion cuz the sewer was already removed?

[29:17] Cuz we are uh

[29:19] somewhere else. >> The summary summary sprinkling.

[29:22] » Yeah, so it's just 316. >> For the water?

[29:26] » Mhm. It's just that he had a um leak under his house.

[29:30] » Oh, wow. Okay.

[29:33] I was going to say that um I was a little bit I just showed you how

[29:38] our system we have these water meters that can read them

[29:41] because the antique seller had a leak and they saw that it was unusual for her

[29:46] to have like a high amount. >> Mhm.

[29:48] » And so they sent her a message or put a thing on her door and she got it shut

[29:54] off and got it fixed and it wasn't enough to

[29:58] like have turn it leak adjustment because you guys had notified her ahead

[30:02] of time. >> Right.

[30:02] » Like she didn't wait till like a month and then

[30:05] » Mhm. >> So that was nice that you guys caught

[30:08] it, sent a flag over there and then that you know, that saved money. Like she's

[30:11] not worried about it so she's not going to turn a leak adjustment in.

[30:14] » Yes. >> So she caught it. We caught it in time

[30:16] so >> Yeah.

[30:17] » That's pretty cool our system can help catch it, you know, if they notice it in

[30:21] time. Yeah. >> Yeah.

[30:23] » So.

[30:29] Um >> I make a motion to approve the

[30:32] » the leak adjustment. Okay. >> I'll second.

[30:36] » So we have a motion, a second. All those in favor raise your right hand.

[30:40] Motion carries.

[30:47] And under the council members, um, I was going to just, um,

[30:54] bring up the, uh, Legion is having I think it was like, um, I don't know if

[31:01] it was Tipton or They're having a

[31:06] 75 bikes on Saturday the 25th.

[31:13] I don't know if Oh, it was Cicero. Cicero's doing the ride. It's for no

[31:18] left no vet left behind. But they wanted to know if they could

[31:22] block off Madison Street, um, like maybe possibly like the alley to

[31:28] the post office just a little bit of it to help get the bikes in. Probably like

[31:33] maybe like 11:30 to 2:00. They're only there about an hour.

[31:37] So, they were kind of just wanting to know if it would be okay for them to and

[31:40] then to shut it down just a short time to get

[31:43] the bikes to have them

[31:46] I've already talked to the antique seller cuz she just asked how long it

[31:49] was going to be. Is it going to be all day? And I said, "No, I don't think so."

[31:52] So, I did get verification like probably like 11:30 to 2:00 or something.

[31:58] So, I can let them know that we don't have a problem with it or

[32:01] okay. >> What day is it?

[32:04] » The 25th. >> Of

[32:07] » July. >> July?

[32:08] » Yeah.

[32:13] Is that kind of like a poker run kind of thing where they stop in and they just

[32:17] they're only there to do lunch or snack or something then they

[32:21] get back on the bikes and then head off again or

[32:23] » They ride from Bart to Bart. >> Bart, okay.

[32:28] » I've been on some of those rides. >> Okay.

[32:33] » You didn't hear that, Steve.

[32:37] » That's a long time ago, right? >> That was a long

[32:39] think. >> Yeah,

[32:41] if they need cones or barricades, have them contact me.

[32:45] » Okay.

[32:49] And then on the barricades, do you have a couple of the bridge barricades

[32:53] or did we get them back? There's a couple of I don't know if I got all of

[32:56] them back yet. >> No, I put them

[32:58] » You got them back? >> Yeah.

[33:00] » One of them was broke. >> Yeah, one of the legs was broke. I've

[33:03] got it at the shop. >> Okay, that's great.

[33:06] » but yeah, I dropped them off. I built them.

[33:11] » And then the other thing I was going to add in here, um

[33:14] Dan Carlisle gave each of us a letter and I don't know if you guys want to

[33:19] just, um let's take the time to like read this

[33:22] letter from him and you know, look at it and we can table

[33:26] bring this up at our next meeting so that'll give us time to

[33:29] since we didn't have it before the meeting, but I wanted to at least bring

[33:32] that up that he did give us a letter. And it's on the VS storm water issues.

[33:38] So, it's the storm water flooding and fee increase. So, he that's what the

[33:41] letter is about, so. Um does any other council members have

[33:45] anything before I close the meeting?

[33:50] » The only thing I've got, I think I've talked to Billy about it, is

[33:55] the weather we're doing the church down here for the wedding venue thing.

[34:01] I met with that guy and went in the basement

[34:04] and uh his sump pump pit is on the west end of his building close to 38

[34:11] and turned the pump on and held it on and there's a 6-in tile

[34:17] that goes towards the alley. >> I mean, we talked about that in our

[34:20] special meeting >> Well, it just kept coming and coming.

[34:24] » And the way I understand it, there's no maps

[34:27] of the drain there. So, So, that's plugged

[34:30] there, I mean, it never shut off, just kept running.

[34:33] » Yeah, that Billy note, yeah, we know about that.

[34:35] » Well, uh

[34:38] need to locate the ditch out there and see why

[34:41] if it's plugged ahead of it, that could be a lot of his problems.

[34:44] » Yeah. >> I mean,

[34:48] » We also >> to start somewhere.

[34:50] » Yeah, we also discussed that in our um when we've had meetings with the storm

[34:54] water, like with the engineers and stuff, we brought those same issues up

[34:58] to them. So, they know about too. So, we told them things that we are

[35:04] curious about. >> So, many people knows about it, but

[35:07] nobody's doing nothing. That's what bothers me.

[35:10] Uh

[35:13] get cameras down there and run down the alley, and find out where it's plugged.

[35:19] It's simple thing to do. And

[35:22] one at a time is going to help, just like the stuff we done some years ago

[35:26] south here. Every little bit you do helps, but if

[35:29] it's not getting away, I mean, I stood there and watched it.

[35:33] It continued, it just kept running and running until it got to a certain

[35:37] height. It It kept going north. Cuz if that would come in the well,

[35:41] what's it going to do in there? >> Yes.

[35:43] » talked about. >> Yes, they're they're going to like

[35:46] do as-built drawings for us, so we know like where all the issues are at.

[35:50] » And they're going to >> So, that's why they're investigating.

[35:53] There's so many issues, that's why they're going to help us locate them.

[35:56] So. >> If we could do it on our own without a

[35:59] bunch of grants and stuff, we could jet something out

[36:03] and get it open and going. Just

[36:06] plugged down there on the north end of town.

[36:10] And Francis Street and Ohio. You run a camera up this way, it comes

[36:16] at utility pole there and stops. And needs dug up, see what's wrong.

[36:21] » I've heard about that. I heard about that one, too. Yeah.

[36:24] » But, we keep talking about it, and and nothing's ever done.

[36:32] And the water stands there in Stuart's backyard in that pit. Jet it on and see

[36:37] why. Well, somebody said something about the

[36:40] roots in there. Jet them out there. Every little bit we do is going to help

[36:45] some. >> Where is that telephone pole? Where at

[36:47] it? What telephone pole? >> Uh

[36:51] Where that guy bought Ragsdale's old trailer down there.

[36:55] And that little double-wide trailer across there, that utility pole on the

[36:59] on Ohio Street. This been years ago. They run a camera, it come to that

[37:04] utility pole and stopped right at this way.

[37:07] And it comes from the Christian church and goes clear to about there and stops.

[37:14] And we got to do something. We can't just keep waiting on them.

[37:17] Grants and big money to engineer something when we

[37:21] see little simple things ourselves.

[37:29] We do. >> I mean, I just know that our employees

[37:32] have a lot on their plate. >> They do. And here lately it's been

[37:35] really really >> really bad. That's

[37:40] » What does Jay charge when he comes out from

[37:44] Eagle's construction? Like to run a camera or jet something?

[37:50] It's not that expensive, is it? >> It is.

[37:56] Usually, if they're here an hour, it usually runs anywhere between $800 to

[38:04] $1,000.

[38:08] Maybe less, depending on what they have to do.

[38:11] Uh There's a There's a minimum charge, and

[38:15] then they charge mileage. Well, actually, they charge

[38:19] When when they crank the truck up at the lot, that's when they start their time.

[38:24] And then when they park it in the lot, that's when they end their time.

[38:28] Uh so it usually runs between 8 800 and $1,000 every time they come to town.

[38:35] » Well, if we've got things set up and ready, it wouldn't take them that long

[38:40] to do their job. >> No, and and I've I've used

[38:44] uh vac truck companies in the past. Uh in fact, I've jotted down some uh

[38:50] kind of rough drawings of storm drains and stuff

[38:54] in the area. Um basically, there there are no maps.

[39:00] Um you can ask Joe Blow if he knows something, but you can take that with a

[39:04] grain of salt because most of the people in town that know

[39:08] something are, you know, >> They're gone.

[39:10] » Yeah. Uh especially, you know, I mean, Burl Tharp was a big help out here in

[39:16] the in the minute town. Um

[39:20] but I've done some some rough sketches, and basically what I have done

[39:25] and we don't have a whole lot of storm money to work with. So if I do that two

[39:29] three four times, I'm broke. We're done. Um

[39:33] so uh uh

[39:37] usually what we did was was was we would pick a storm drain, pop the lid,

[39:43] and whatever lines come in or out, we would just pick one

[39:47] and go as far as we could, uh

[39:51] get a distance, size, what type it was, we come back out, we go back in another.

[39:56] Uh I know there's one over here uh

[40:02] Ohio and

[40:06] uh Oh goodness gracious, it's it's either

[40:11] » Adams Street. >> Uh no, it's not all it's not that far

[40:14] down. It's it's Monroe. Uh

[40:17] pull the lid on that one and there's a half a dozen lines coming in and out

[40:21] going every direction. Um

[40:24] that was one thing Earl Tharp always talked about. Nobody go along with him.

[40:28] They're worth it. They parked out the front of their house.

[40:31] He said he took uh come to a board meeting and took people

[40:35] down there and showed them and nobody want to do nothing about it. And they

[40:39] filled it in. They had it dug up. And now I I knew it years ago.

[40:43] » Yeah. Um I do know there on on Monroe there's a

[40:47] storm drain on the corner of Monroe and 421

[40:50] uh which goes east all the way to that particular manhole

[40:56] somewhere in in the area of uh um Ohio.

[41:03] Um and we've had trouble with it.

[41:06] » When it When that that is >> in the

[41:08] » one of the >> Some of the issues that are causing

[41:12] issues now is because of lack of oversight when people would put in

[41:18] sewer lines, water lines, they would just go right through storm drains

[41:23] and depending on what it is, you can't reroute.

[41:29] Um sewer lines based on the need for

[41:32] elevation. Uh and if you do storm drains up or

[41:37] down, you're either going to it's not going to fix that either. So

[41:41] uh there's a lot of rerouting of stuff that

[41:44] needs to be done around town. Uh

[41:48] you know, some of these things may be small, but uh

[41:52] you know, added together they all gets big. It's It's in a It's in the

[41:58] area. You know, an area may have half a dozen or more issues that need to

[42:04] be fixed. Uh

[42:07] and another big issue that this town has is when they first put all this stuff

[42:12] in, they didn't bank on growth.

[42:16] So, a lot of these storm drains were too small and cannot handle some of the

[42:21] larger rains that we've gotten over the past several years.

[42:26] Now, there at George's when they his basement starts getting

[42:31] wet, if they just that going east, yeah, that's there. What is it they get out of

[42:36] there? Is it tree roots or what is it? >> No, it it's sediment.

[42:39] » Sediment? >> Sediment. And he's what that one is one

[42:42] where there is a waterline goes right through it.

[42:47] Um and uh when sediment gets up so far, then you know, the size of the

[42:51] waterline, you know, even decreases the flow even more.

[42:56] Prime example of a of a

[42:59] storm drain that was put in too small. One there at my house

[43:03] that was connecting Westman Road to 38. It is way too small for what the big

[43:10] heavy rains that come. In fact, the last two, three heavy rains,

[43:15] uh water was halfway up to my house. And you know, uh Laura Sheets across the

[43:21] road, it was almost up to her garage. Um so, uh

[43:26] but you know, when the rain stopped, 24 hours later, it was gone.

[43:30] But it was just it's just sized too small to carry what

[43:35] » And I don't have much fall from this street or that way.

[43:39] » No, it that >> They couldn't for the elevation on this

[43:42] end. >> I know the other thing that we're

[43:45] worried about, too, is like you know, we want to get some storm

[43:49] water issues fixed, but we're also worried about we may have to look at

[43:53] Excel's project. Cuz I feel like that he's been up here

[43:57] and been >> priority that needs to be done.

[44:00] » That's where we may have to spend some more money. That's why we're worried

[44:03] about our storm water account because if we do

[44:07] that project we're it's going to put us even shorter.

[44:11] So, that's the other reason why we've been talking about an increase and the

[44:14] need of it because we don't have the money to go do cameras and

[44:18] » Yeah. >> So, that's why we're trying to get some

[44:21] of the grants up to help us in the long run.

[44:23] » Yeah. >> So.

[44:24] » And there's, you know, there's two or three projects in town that need to be

[44:27] done. They're on Elizaville Road. From Elizaville Road back up to the

[44:31] cemetery that needs to be a swell that goes along all all the way behind those

[44:36] people's homes so that they drain their backyards,

[44:39] drain it down to Elizaville Road, and possibly put a 2-ft culvert underneath

[44:45] Elizaville Road and let it drain over into the cornfield.

[44:48] » Okay. >> Uh

[44:50] needs to be an open ditch cut from um

[44:54] uh I can't

[44:56] figure out the lady's name that lives there in that trailer there on

[45:00] Elizaville, but it needs to be an open ditch

[45:02] » Is that Jan Carl or? >> Yeah.

[45:04] » Jan. >> Uh needs to be an open ditch where some

[45:06] new culverts put in underneath driveways and the roadway

[45:10] from there to 38. >> Okay.

[45:13] » Um and then over around Dan Carl.

[45:17] All of that needs to be open ditch, drains need to be a lot larger.

[45:22] Uh in fact, the one uh >> No, it's his in the front or his in the

[45:27] back? >> issue is in the front.

[45:29] Uh but I do know there's some issues

[45:32] behind. >> Okay.

[45:33] » Um but the one of the big issues in the front is

[45:37] over time the ditches have filled in. They need to be re-elevated, re-shot

[45:43] from grade from uh

[45:45] that in-house all the way down to Adams Street.

[45:50] Uh new culverts put in 12 in or bigger.

[45:55] Uh I do know that there is a flexible tile

[45:59] drain, but it's only about 4 in. So, it's not going to carry a whole lot,

[46:05] and even and if it's plugged up, it's not going to carry anything.

[46:09] So, there's there's issues that can be done.

[46:13] Um problem is our storm water budget doesn't have a whole lot. Uh if we do

[46:19] two or three projects ourselves, then we're we're done.

[46:27] » Now, we open that up, and then we just shove more water down the sun chaser.

[46:31] » Well, that's where we're going >> got a swimming pool there.

[46:34] » Yeah, we're we're hoping when it gets in our good yard

[46:39] » I'm not that person. I'm not pushing it all down there.

[46:43] » Well, I mean, we're we're hopefully you know, we got to do something cuz I mean,

[46:46] we fixed up all of our stuff, and then the county refuses to

[46:51] you know, we've done us, but >> Right.

[46:53] » and we fixed us, but that doesn't fix the total issue. So, that's why we're

[46:58] working in conjunction with the county so that we can get this comprehensive

[47:04] study done to find out where the shortfalls are, where the problems are

[47:11] and then once we do all of that, find out where everything is flowing to, what

[47:16] quadrant of town it's flowing out of then we can put a comprehensive plan

[47:21] together that says, "Okay, X amount of gallons of water, we need

[47:26] 12-in tile here. X amount, we need 18, 24, 36." You know, just it depends.

[47:33] Uh and just like anything, the the clay

[47:36] tile structure is failing. Uh

[47:39] so, I mean, it's just it's it's it's a it's it's a system that's been

[47:45] put in for decades, and it's been band-aided for decades. Nothing

[47:52] permanent uh to take the worry off of not having

[47:55] to do anything for the future as ever been done.

[47:58] » What would you replace that with? Double wall?

[48:01] » It depends on where it's at. Depends on the location. Dual wall

[48:05] plastic pipe. Um

[48:08] it can pretty much be used anywhere and everywhere.

[48:11] Um galvanized will eventually rust out. But everybody

[48:17] in this room will be long gone by the time that happens.

[48:21] Um dual wall even her.

[48:25] Oh yeah, even even her. My grandson will be

[48:29] retired before that happens. But anyway, um dual wall would be what I would

[48:35] recommend. Uh it is flexible enough that it can

[48:39] give a little but not a lot. Uh it's easy to install, easy to handle.

[48:46] Um and it uh it holds up no matter what quality of soil, stone, rock, sand, or

[48:51] whatever you put around it. It doesn't matter.

[48:54] And you know, depending on how you bed it, how you cover it,

[48:59] take a quarter inch drill, drill several holes, and it will

[49:04] actually, you know, not only drain from from areas, but it will also act as a

[49:08] French drain as well. So, I mean, there's there's things that can

[49:12] be done. Just depends on the situation. Depends on where you're at.

[49:17] » Yeah, where it's running through. >> Yeah.

[49:19] » My situation is is I can alleviate my problem.

[49:25] But the problem of it is there's utilities right next to that ditch that

[49:28] he's talking about. There's power there, there's water

[49:32] there, there's everything. >> Well, we don't It doesn't have to go It

[49:35] doesn't have to go >> Right.

[49:37] » It just needs to be deeper than what it is.

[49:39] » Right. >> I mean, the water lines in your area

[49:42] 4 to 5 ft deep. Um sewer lines are behind the house and

[49:47] and whatever. So, um you know,

[49:51] » And utilities should be 3 ft deep, but the minimum anyway.

[49:56] » Yeah, you know, you like your any communications or anything.

[49:59] » Yeah, of course you got AT&T, you got fiber optic, you got the the Comcast and

[50:04] all that kind of stuff and and depending on

[50:08] who put it in, whatever, I mean, it could be anywhere between 6 in and 3 ft,

[50:13] so.

[50:17] » Okay, um

[50:21] is there anything else from the council or

[50:24] I'm going to join the meeting then. Do you have anything?

[50:27] » Nope. >> Okay, okay. Meeting adjourned.

[50:31] » Quick question.

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