[1:16]

[2:11] Possibly having justice Right?

[2:29] Is get a lot of Good evening, everyone

[2:41] and welcome to the July 15 meeting of the Laguna

[2:46] Hills traffic commission.

[2:48] Thank you all for being out here tonight Believe it

[2:55] or not half of July is over Yeah, I hope everyone had a.

[3:01] Wondered for 4th of July were out on the street that Laguna

[3:06] Hills had One of the best fireworks

[3:08] shows in the entire area But it's kind

[3:12] of a little biased there.

[3:14] Yes very good.

[3:15] Very good.

[3:16] We're going to go ahead and open the meeting up

[3:19] with the Pledge of Allegiance.

[3:21] So if everybody could stand.

[3:22] And I'll ask Mr. Patel to lead us tonight

[3:27] Thank you All right, everyone.

[3:30] 3 to 1 is a flag of the United States of America

[3:37] and to the republic for which it stands.

[3:40] One nation underground is a visible injustice for.

[3:46] Thank you.

[3:46] You can be seated OK.

[3:54] At this time, we'll call for the clerk

[3:57] to take roll call Let the record show we have a quorum with three

[4:06] commissioners present in the chamber

[4:09] Thank you Yeah My understanding tonight is.

[4:14] Commission or Kipruto.

[4:15] At the last moment had a family situation

[4:18] that he had to deal with.

[4:19] So So we're thankful that he's was able to reach out and let

[4:25] us know what was going on.

[4:27] OK Now, at this time, we're going to move forward

[4:31] to public comment This is a time to address the traffic

[4:36] commission on any matters not listed on the agenda that is

[4:41] within the subject subject matter jurist

[4:43] diction of the commission Public comments are

[4:47] limited to Three minutes per person as determined

[4:50] by the chair.

[4:52] And at this time I'll call on the clerk

[4:54] to call for public comment We have One request

[5:01] to speak George Falcon regarding limited parking on Buckingham.

[5:07] Thank you, sir If you could come forward to the podium.

[5:11] Thank you for being here tonight We welcome Good.

[5:17] Thank you And is George Falcon And I'm

[5:21] a resident of vacation falls, which

[5:23] is just off of backing him.

[5:24] Street on June 11th.

[5:29] I received in a number of people received parking tickets when

[5:33] the parking was restricted on Becky in a park along Beckham

[5:38] Park There had been really no warning about it

[5:43] and i guess the no parking was placed that same day.

[5:49] And that night we received parking.

[5:50] Take a bunch of people received parking

[5:52] tickets I did contact the city.

[5:54] The city was really good about it.

[5:55] You know, we've discussed it.

[5:57] And I believe the tickets and take care of Will will,

[6:01] you know, we'll work that out My concern

[6:05] is about the need for parking in the community There

[6:11] is a real need in my community.

[6:14] Occasionally there's 99 homes in our home, in our place.

[6:18] We have very limited.

[6:19] We have actually no street parking

[6:21] within the community Right.

[6:22] Because we pay for part drives and parking and all that stuff.

[6:27] Or driveways and streets.

[6:30] And so we've been using backing them

[6:31] And so, yes we are a part of the use of the street,

[6:36] but also then there's, you know, others in the community

[6:40] that use the parking.

[6:41] So by reduce by getting eliminating that parking,

[6:46] it's moving that issue or a problem somewhere else.

[6:50] And so I just want to identify that that is an issue we'd like

[6:55] to see if there's If the committee is there,

[6:58] the traffic commission, consider other options

[7:02] for parking public parking on public streets

[7:06] I understand that you have on the agenda

[7:08] You have the district for parking within communities.

[7:11] I understand that and respect that.

[7:14] But we also we have 99 homes.

[7:17] We pay our property taxes.

[7:19] We'd like to have the same kind of you know,

[7:22] consideration for parking and not just

[7:25] have things removed without any discussion.

[7:27] And so we Yeah, there was no discussion,

[7:30] no conversation with our community about

[7:32] impure It happened.

[7:34] OK Thank you so much for your comments.

[7:37] We really appreciate that.

[7:38] And the commission really understands

[7:42] in a very high level, what you're talking about tonight.

[7:45] We've been working very hard on that issue.

[7:47] But thank you so much for your comments.

[7:49] If you'd like to speak on the other agenda item Specifically

[7:52] in regards to the parking permit program,

[7:54] you can also speak on that.

[7:56] Okay.

[7:57] Yeah.

[7:57] The only consideration if there would be a consideration

[8:00] for a parking permit of for I'm begging him,

[8:04] but that would be under that agenda.

[8:06] Right Right.

[8:07] But that will be discussed under the actual agenda item.

[8:10] But thank you so much for being here tonight, sir Thank you,

[8:14] Chair miller, would it be possible for city staff

[8:16] to speak to the public?

[8:19] Session next month regarding parking Like a reminder

[8:24] about the date and time Oh, thank you Commissioner Patel.

[8:32] You're referring to the August 12th special meeting?

[8:34] Yeah The public forum, if you will Yeah.

[8:39] So we're the.

[8:41] There is going to be a floor are proposing a traffic commission

[8:47] special meeting on August 12th to talk

[8:49] about parking issues generally.

[8:52] And so that will be held on August 12th that

[8:55] has not yet been posted on the city's website

[8:57] regarding that OK.

[8:59] But it will be posted shortly Thank you.

[9:01] Okay Thank you so much.

[9:04] Clerk Are there are there any other public comments

[9:08] for tonight, whether in the audience or electronic,

[9:11] that came in right.

[9:15] Sir, if you'd like to come speak during public comment,

[9:17] you can Guidelines for what it is.

[9:23] Sir, Are you talking about an agenda item or non agenda I

[9:26] just.

[9:27] I don't know.

[9:27] Some general traffic with traffic parking It's

[9:32] probably okay.

[9:34] So.

[9:35] So we'll be calling you up later in the meeting when we actually

[9:39] take public comment on a specific agenda item Okay

[9:47] So my understanding is there are no other General public comments

[9:53] that moves us forward.

[9:55] True agenda item 2.1, which is the approval of the May 20th

[10:00] 2026 regular meeting minutes.

[10:03] And I'll ask the Commission if any

[10:06] of those items on those minutes need to be pulled

[10:09] or I would also seek a motion Motion to approve

[10:12] the minutes I have a motion.

[10:14] Mr. Patel and we have a Second mark

[10:17] and clerk if you can take the vote

[10:20] on that Chair Patel vice chair.

[10:36] Patel.

[10:37] Sorry, sorry.

[10:38] Chair.

[10:39] Miller I. I know you guys Commissioner, are or Jones.

[10:47] Sorry, I I think those were It's okay Motion approved.

[10:55] Thank you.

[10:55] That motion moves forward.

[10:57] Now, we.

[10:59] We don't have any presentations for tonight.

[11:01] At least I don't know of any that are on the agenda.

[11:05] This is going to move us forward to our Administrative reports

[11:09] And I'm going to move forward to that in the agenda

[11:30] this agenda item 4.1 is the review of petitions received

[11:36] regarding establishment of proposed residential parking

[11:41] permit districts.

[11:42] And at this time we will ask staff for a report Thank you.

[11:48] Chair Miller Happy to provide the report

[11:52] and our assistant engineers will be working to bring up

[11:55] the presentation in just one moment on the screen

[11:58] Thank you I'm going to grab a little bit of water

[12:01] for a second.

[12:02] Oh, yes, go ahead So quite a mouthful over there

[12:23] Review of petitions received regarding

[12:25] the establishment of proposed residential permit

[12:27] parking for camera will.

[12:28] Pending criminal.

[12:30] The Avenue to Avalon lutes on stows cell

[12:34] for derby Circle York Circle sunset place West

[12:38] and East and Sunset place.

[12:40] Next slide, please All right So at the march 18th 2026,

[13:06] Traffic Commission, regular meeting,

[13:08] city staff made a presentation regarding requests received

[13:12] by the city from residents desiring the establishment

[13:15] of residential permit parking.

[13:17] That would prohibit overnight parking

[13:18] on streets near Beckenham Park, Campbell Street Beckenham Street

[13:22] and in the Sunset place neighborhood

[13:24] without a parking permit Our residents reside

[13:28] on or near Camberwell Street as well as in the Sunset

[13:30] Place neighborhood.

[13:31] Describe Undesirable safety, accessibility and quality

[13:35] of life issues due to non resident vehicle parking and

[13:38] lack of an enforceable street.

[13:40] Sweeping is the basis for requesting

[13:42] the establishment of a residential permit parking

[13:44] district next slide, please.

[13:46] So as a reminder, I'm Laguna Hills municipal code

[13:50] to designate a neighborhood or a street as a permit parking area

[13:54] within the city of Laguna Hills.

[13:56] The municipal code requires that a city petition form

[13:59] be submitted to the city with the signatures of at least 67%

[14:03] of the property owner supporting the proposed

[14:06] permit parking area.

[14:07] Next slide, please And at that March 18 meeting,

[14:12] there was also discussion of how over time the establishment

[14:16] of nearby residential permit parking districts

[14:19] has resulted in more parking vehicles being displaced

[14:22] and other nearby streets without parking restrictions

[14:26] Should a sudden without parking restrictions presumably

[14:30] as a result of the lack of available parking

[14:32] at or adjacent to nearby.

[14:34] Multifamily housing next slide, please So currently

[14:41] this is the in the area.

[14:44] This is the existing residential permit parking zone

[14:50] and yellow on those streets.

[14:53] You cannot park overnight, unless you have a permit issued

[14:59] by the city And then there is a no

[15:02] parking zone overnight parking zone between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m..

[15:08] And that was the red zone And then,

[15:10] as was described in public comments just a short while ago,

[15:14] there is the recently implemented no overnight parking

[15:17] that was recommended by the traffic commission

[15:20] and approved by the city council recently.

[15:22] And next slide, please So back at the March 18 meeting,

[15:28] in response the traffic commission

[15:30] recommended that city staff.

[15:31] Send out.

[15:32] Petition forms to residents and all the streets.

[15:35] I mentioned earlier.

[15:36] And additionally, the traffic commission recommended

[15:38] the establishment of an overnight parking

[15:40] on streets adjacent to back in the park

[15:43] and on the side of the street closest

[15:45] to the park and the establishment

[15:47] of no overnight parking on the south side of Beckenham

[15:49] Street extending from Acacia Lane to Wilkes Place,

[15:53] there was already an existing no parking zone It was.

[15:57] Extended by the purple line on the previous slide.

[15:59] slide, please.

[16:01] And then based upon the recommendation of the traffic

[16:04] commission at the city council meeting,

[16:06] they approved all of that That's what this slide says Next slide,

[16:12] please So the traffic commission back in March

[16:18] recommends that the city staff send out parking parking permit

[16:25] petitions to the homes adjacent to the streets

[16:30] colored in orange.

[16:31] On this map there were 308 ballots.

[16:36] Petition ballots send out those petitions

[16:39] as allowed for the individual returned

[16:42] from the resident of a petition indicating that they

[16:46] desired permit parking.

[16:48] The form also allowed for canvassing

[16:51] by interested community members and neighbors

[16:53] to go door to door to collect signatures Next slide, please.

[16:58] Here's another version of the map So the homes in red

[17:03] already have existing permit parking

[17:06] and then the homes in blue outlined in blue

[17:10] are the 308 homes that were the subject of the recent petition

[17:16] gathering process.

[17:17] Next slide, please The city council is aware of the issues

[17:26] regarding lack of parking and displacement so much so that

[17:32] separately at the june 9th meeting,

[17:35] Mayor Pro Tem pro Tem Mathis and Councilmember Wheeler requested

[17:39] that city staff Return to a future city council

[17:42] meeting with a report discussing parking

[17:44] and street sweeping issues.

[17:46] That report was attached to the Traffic Commission's agenda

[17:51] packet So you have and Mayor Pro Tem Mathis also

[17:55] made a motion that was seconded by Councilmember Wheeler

[17:59] to take a look at.

[18:00] Allowing overnight parking on the south side of Laguna Hills

[18:03] drive at that time, Laguna Hills Drive

[18:06] have had a prohibition on overnight parking

[18:09] and you can only park on the south side

[18:11] of Laguna Hills Drive between Indian Hill Lane and pasadena.

[18:14] Valencia During the daytime And that historically

[18:18] was done because of insufficient parking at Laguna Hills High

[18:23] School With the decrease enrollment

[18:26] at Laguna Hills High School And after consultation it

[18:31] was determined that that no longer needed to be in place

[18:35] Next slide, please So going back to the current process,

[18:40] I'm doing this in chronological order.

[18:42] Sorry for the ping pong approach here On June 15,

[18:45] city staff mailed out those ballot petitions

[18:48] that 308 properties and that ballot petition that was mailed

[18:54] was attached to your staff report as an example.

[18:57] And the deadline for the receipt of those ballot petitions

[19:00] for that area was 5 p.m. on.

[19:05] Was what time is it now?

[19:07] 617.

[19:09] So city staff has furiously been putting together the results.

[19:12] We've been telling up as we go.

[19:13] And we received several petitions today

[19:16] and we'll be reviewing the results of that in a moment.

[19:20] Next slide, please So going back to Laguna Hills Drive

[19:26] so at the June 23rd, 2026, City council regular meeting,

[19:30] city staff provided that comprehensive

[19:33] presentation on parking and street sweeping issues.

[19:36] As I indicated that was attached to tonight's traffic

[19:39] Commission Agenda report.

[19:41] Specific to solving the parking issues near Beckenham Park,

[19:44] Camberwell street, Beckenham Street and the Sunset

[19:46] Place neighborhood.

[19:47] City staff at that meeting recommended allowing parking

[19:52] on the south side of Laguna Hills Drive between Indian Hill

[19:55] Lane and Valencia in order to potentially decrease

[19:59] the number of vehicles being parked

[20:02] in the adjoining residential neighborhoods

[20:04] And the city council adopted So the city council adopted

[20:08] that resolution, removing overnight parking restriction

[20:11] on the south side of laguna Hills Drive

[20:13] and establishing a no parking during street sweeping hours.

[20:17] Laguna Hills Drive is.

[20:19] We'll be swept between 8 a.m. and 12 p.m. on Tuesday

[20:23] is once a week so people need to move their vehicles.

[20:27] So here is a map of Laguna Hills drive.

[20:30] So it's a unique street on the north side of Laguna Hills Drive

[20:36] at the northwest corner of the city of Valencia

[20:39] in Laguna Hills Drive There's a medical office

[20:42] building which also suffers from lack of parking.

[20:47] So years ago on an unusual permit parking district

[20:50] was established for the benefit of the medical office building

[20:55] on the northwest corner And so there

[20:57] is existing permit parking that's

[21:00] denoted by the Orange line.

[21:03] There is no parking any time as denoted by the red lines

[21:08] There's existing green parking.

[21:10] With the green line work for parking

[21:12] adjacent to Sheep Hills Park located near Moulton

[21:18] and Laguna Hills Drive.

[21:19] And contrary to popular belief, sheep hills

[21:22] park is not owned by the city of Laguna Hills.

[21:24] It is owned and maintained by the ELISA

[21:26] vale Community Association.

[21:29] Back then there was some people were surmising prior

[21:31] to the annexed portion of the West Side of Laguna

[21:34] Hills in 2000 that that was going to be the city

[21:36] of at least some Viejo.

[21:37] And that did not happen Instead laugh co thought that that

[21:43] should be part of the going to hills

[21:45] and less severe community association has been maintaining

[21:48] that park ever since and then the light blue line

[21:52] on the south side of the roadway is

[21:54] what the city council approved.

[21:56] Conversion Converting that from no overnight parking to now

[22:00] unrestricted parking except for no parking

[22:03] on during the days and hours of street

[22:05] sweeping, which is tuesdays again from 8 a.m. to 12 noon.

[22:08] That parking is available now.

[22:10] People can park out there right now that has been out

[22:14] there for a little over a week.

[22:16] Slide, please So now that the deadline has passed for receipt

[22:22] of ballot petitions in favor of the establishment of permit

[22:27] parking on all of those streets, city staff

[22:30] will review the results of the petition process.

[22:33] I will say that city staff worked diligently to review

[22:38] the petitions specific quickly.

[22:40] Julie and Sam, thank you.

[22:43] Julie.

[22:43] Verified the names that the names match the property

[22:46] assessment rolls as required by the ordinance

[22:49] and during the process, we also eliminate added

[22:52] several duplicate signatures.

[22:54] Some some residents submitted the petition form on their own

[22:58] in the mail and then apparently maybe a canvassing process came.

[23:03] Took place where more signatures were collected

[23:07] And we can only count one signature per address

[23:10] if there were two signatures collected per address that

[23:12] doesn't count as double voting.

[23:13] It doesn't count.

[23:14] So all you needed was one signature per address That was

[23:19] the property owners signature.

[23:21] The traffic commissioners received

[23:23] copies of the petitions and the maps

[23:26] showing the petitions received.

[23:29] We went through the process of of tallying up each one

[23:33] and providing that information to the commissioners.

[23:36] So they can see for themselves how that was done.

[23:39] Next slide, please So the following are the results.

[23:43] So these are in alphabetical order

[23:47] and I want to say that in the review of these streets,

[23:51] cities staff also looked at block segments,

[23:55] block by block segments to try to determine

[23:57] if any of the thresholds have been made for 67%.

[24:02] So avenue to Avalon, one out of six homes

[24:05] returned a petition of 16%.

[24:09] K carmel was nine of 14 at 64%.

[24:13] Camberwell as a whole from end to end was 11 of 29 at 40%.

[24:18] However the segment of Camberwell, south of Hendon

[24:20] to Castillo Street was 100%.

[24:24] Castillo street as a whole from end to end was 13 of 25.

[24:29] And then city staff also looked at Costa

[24:31] between Camberwell and Woolwich, which was Seven of 12 for 58%.

[24:36] Derby circle was 11 of 22 for 50%.

[24:40] And one Street was 28 of 57 for 49%.

[24:43] However, as a subset, there was a strong showing for Hendon East

[24:48] to Camberwell, so the elbow or the 18 out of 20

[24:51] being at a 90% Luton Street was 13 of 15 and 87%.

[24:57] Salford Street was ten of 24, 50%.

[25:01] Next slide, please Sunset Place Neighborhood was 39 of 68.

[25:05] At 57%.

[25:07] And we did look to see if there was a qualifying subset that

[25:10] could be established either on any segment of the roadway

[25:15] And what we observed generally speaking,

[25:17] was that residents on the outer side of the ring road generally

[25:21] returned petitions All the residents on the inner side

[25:24] of the ring road did not return Post petitions

[25:27] via Balboa Five of 1,145%.

[25:31] Wilkes was one of 425% for the small segment.

[25:34] There adjacent to the park on the opposite side

[25:37] of the Purple Line, York Circle was seven of 25%.

[25:42] So you can visually see how that played out.

[25:44] Next slide, please I'm sorry.

[25:46] This is.

[25:47] So this is the review of the results.

[25:48] So those segments were the ones that met the 67% threshold.

[25:52] Slide, please.

[25:53] And then out of the orange area, the green area met the petition

[25:57] requirements of 67% Now, let that sink in for a moment

[26:09] Next slide, please So the recommended action

[26:14] is that the traffic commission discuss and provide

[26:16] direction to city staff.

[26:18] And just for reference we can go back to the previous slide

[26:22] for reference here, because this is probably the most important

[26:24] thing here on the screen I know I will say that I know

[26:32] that there were a lot of folks that came in person

[26:35] of the traffic commission meeting

[26:36] desiring the implementation of permit parking and city

[26:41] staff looked at all the different ways even

[26:44] combining blocks with blocks that didn't

[26:47] quite meet the threshold.

[26:48] And there was no other way to arrive

[26:51] at this If the overall desire was to implement permit parking.

[26:57] But we couldn't find any way to do that.

[26:59] So this is the on a block by block segment.

[27:01] The best these are the segments that meet the 67% threshold.

[27:08] I'm happy to receive any questions

[27:10] from the Traffic Commission regarding this

[27:14] And that concludes my presentation.

[27:18] Thank you so much Yeah, I want to compliment staff.

[27:22] You know the election ended at 5 p.m. today

[27:26] and they were able to tally all this data.

[27:33] And in and come up with the results.

[27:36] That doesn't happen a lot in elections where

[27:39] you get such quick results.

[27:41] So I definitely want to compliment your staff

[27:44] on a job well done, especially it just so

[27:48] happened that it turned out our traffic

[27:50] commission meeting was the same day as the end of the election.

[27:54] And they were able to get it done.

[27:56] So kudos to staff on that I'm going to open it up.

[28:02] Now to Commissioner eRs for questions to Steph Curry.

[28:06] Quickly, go back, slide a few slides actually to

[28:09] on the percentage breakdown by street.

[28:11] Yeah, this one.

[28:12] Thank you I'll get back with questions OK?

[28:18] Okay.

[28:19] All right Mr. Jones, do you have any questions for staff?

[28:22] I guess.

[28:24] And i only understanding how difficult it is to get people

[28:31] to sign these and the kelly you're within a couple

[28:38] percentage points there.

[28:40] Me I consideration and give you a little fudge factor there.

[28:49] Thank you for the question, Commissioner Jones

[28:53] The answer is possibly I decided to highlight that in yellow

[28:57] because of how close it was.

[29:01] If you go forward a couple of slides, same to the map

[29:06] The only issue was, is if you give the fudge factors, as you

[29:11] called Carmel and make that green,

[29:14] that segment of Hendon between Kai Carmel and Camberwell

[29:18] would be in the Orange.

[29:20] That segment there had didn't have a whole lot of petitions

[29:25] received and even trying to combine kai Carmel

[29:29] within the green area East of Camberwell

[29:33] still wouldn't you wouldn't be able to,

[29:36] you couldn't you couldn't draw a you couldn't draw or rely

[29:41] on the overabundance of enthusiasm for permit

[29:45] parking and the other portion to counteract

[29:47] any part of anywhere else.

[29:49] And so we did that permutation to try to figure that out.

[29:54] If that would be the case.

[29:55] And it does not So even if you gave

[29:57] a fudge factor to come by Carmel,

[29:59] you'd have that gap there.

[30:00] And I don't know if that's desirable or not.

[30:03] That's for the commission.

[30:04] The way you do any anything else?

[30:09] Commissioner John OK.

[30:11] I think Mr. Patel is still working on this question

[30:14] so I'll, I'll basically make a couple

[30:17] statements here for staff.

[30:19] So, so and staff realizes this.

[30:22] And I would just get some response from them

[30:25] when we have such a small area coming up in the green Let's

[30:33] talk about the fact that we're back

[30:35] to the regular impacts of dropping that pebble in the pond

[30:41] and the ripple effect.

[30:43] Now going out to these other areas instead of this whole area

[30:48] being approved by the proper percentage for a parking

[30:52] permit program It's almost like these small areas are going

[30:57] to cause these other areas that did not meet the threshold

[31:01] to have other problems.

[31:04] So are you, even though we're meeting the threshold old

[31:09] and some of these streets it appears as though we're going

[31:16] to have impacts on the streets right next door

[31:21] Is that a question? you know, if you're

[31:25] asking for my professional opinion, yes I would.

[31:27] I would.

[31:28] If you were to approve of the green streets,

[31:30] then you probably would have impacts on nearby adjacent

[31:34] streets with the commission is acutely aware

[31:38] of the displacement effect, as is the city council It was

[31:42] discussed at the June 23rd City Council meeting and I think

[31:48] the Commission is well aware of the displacement effect as well.

[31:51] And so you have to weigh that and whatever deliberations

[31:54] we make here this evening.

[31:56] Okay Thank you.

[31:57] A vice chair.

[31:58] Patel, are you.

[31:59] Are you ready ?

[32:00] OK.

[32:01] Vice Chair Patel.

[32:02] So I have a couple of questions on the first one

[32:04] is the threshold is exactly 67% or is it 67%?

[32:09] If we're one, we're two rounds.

[32:10] So point six, six Six.

[32:14] So those is are particular example,

[32:20] because in the case of Carmel it's 64 point something percent

[32:25] but that doesn't get you to 67.

[32:27] So the way the municipal code is read it is it's

[32:30] at least 67% or more.

[32:33] So OK, Carmel, we need one more for it to get over 67%.

[32:39] So I still highlighted it in yellow

[32:41] because that was the closest number that was there

[32:44] and the rest of them don't have any No, no amount of rounding

[32:48] would get you anywhere near 67%.

[32:51] Yeah Because when I remember when My neighborhood had

[32:55] petition as an entire neighborhood,

[32:58] some areas had more than the 67%, some were below

[33:02] But combining our entire community together

[33:06] we tried that.

[33:07] Yeah.

[33:07] And so that was over the 67%.

[33:10] So kind of where I see that the point 66%

[33:13] is if you look at Carmel combined with the green area,

[33:17] combined with Casto street entirely,

[33:20] or if we want to go above that, you would have carmel

[33:27] with the subset of costs go plus the green

[33:32] And I think that's over the 67%, which one are you referring to

[33:37] So if we take all the green plus the yellow the nine out of 14

[33:42] plus the seven out of 12, I think that got me at 69% for.

[33:50] But those are all disconnected, street disconnected Okay.

[33:53] So they're all that would be all disconnected streets.

[33:55] And even then you still so you're adding you've got

[34:00] to add up 14 three 2050, 2015.

[34:08] So I'm going to go back to the slide, please.

[34:12] 3, three, four, ten 1735 six.

[34:17] That's 52 and then you've got Nine 318 and 15.

[34:24] Oh, you also in the Adam Camberwell

[34:28] and Woolwich only carmel and then yeah, Cambridge well

[34:33] and Woolwich, the 64.

[34:35] Yeah I'm sorry.

[34:39] Stop between Camberwell.

[34:40] Yeah.

[34:41] Yeah So to rephrase that again, the sky

[34:44] Carmel next one is screen Camberwell

[34:45] South and Coastal between Camberwell and Woolwich.

[34:49] And then it used to control to the northeast elbow and Street.

[34:54] OK so that's a total of 64 properties.

[34:56] So I think that the number that you got let's double check

[35:06] And so this is i think you I also got 64.

[35:29] Okay Yeah.

[35:36] OK So even with that, though you have disconnected.

[35:47] Yeah.

[35:48] Series of streets.

[35:50] So if you wanted to have my the goal number we try

[35:54] to put together permanent parking

[35:56] is to actually have segments that connect with one another.

[35:59] So I guess I should have qualified my statement earlier

[36:01] So yeah, you could cherry pick out certain pieces that might

[36:05] allow you to disconnect and streets with one another

[36:09] to get over a threshold but you'd still wind up

[36:11] with a scattering of an effect.

[36:14] So that's so that's an example of you know,

[36:21] how you could do that to get a scattering effect,

[36:23] but it wouldn't lead to And then when you start trying to add

[36:27] in the connecting streets and you

[36:29] fall back below the threshold that's the problem Yes.

[36:33] I mean, I um, absolutely.

[36:36] I yeah, I have the desire is to try to make the whole thing,

[36:41] whole and connected together.

[36:42] There isn't a way of doing that right now Yeah, that's fair.

[36:52] And then I was wondering if the sunset hOA

[36:55] board was in the crowd.

[36:58] I did have my understanding is they are.

[36:59] And I'm sure when public comments are called I'm probably

[37:03] going to say something.

[37:04] OK Sounds good.

[37:05] OK.

[37:06] Anything else Okay.

[37:09] Okay No other questions by Commissioner for Staff.

[37:15] I'll give you one more statistic Yes or not on the screen.

[37:18] When you add up all the numbers overall all

[37:21] for the whole orange blob, we got 147 out of three

[37:28] so it's less than 50%, 50%.

[37:31] Okay.

[37:32] Slightly less, 47%.

[37:35] Okay At this time, we're going to ask the clerk to call forward

[37:40] our public comments on this specific agenda item We

[37:47] have six requests to speak The first speaker is

[37:50] Alex Galvin of ski.

[37:54] Next speaker will be Terry Whitley

[37:59] Thank you, commissioners.

[38:01] Thank you.

[38:01] Happen to be here.

[38:03] Alex Galasso ski 24831.

[38:05] Camera will street have lived there about 38 years.

[38:10] I'm part of that subset.

[38:11] Camberwell South of Hendon and obviously,

[38:15] if I was closed minded and just on a selfish little level,

[38:19] I can see that the immediate area around my home

[38:23] looks like it's potentially destined for the program

[38:27] being a person in the community, though, of all these years,

[38:31] I completely empathize with your comments.

[38:33] Commissioner Miller it's like kicking the can

[38:37] and it's the old out of sight out of mind for the homes

[38:42] that have yet to experience what we've been experiencing.

[38:45] The urgency isn't there.

[38:47] We've been experiencing it, and it's definitely not a Laguna

[38:52] hills way of life And so all i can say

[38:56] is I appreciate that you're trying to look at that forward

[39:00] thinking because i probably in the short term,

[39:04] if there is the implement of what I see in green you can

[39:09] dutifully expect that down the road it's going to mushroom out

[39:13] and then it's going to develop into more

[39:16] But there is the rules of the city.

[39:18] So all I can say is in terms of the area that is green,

[39:24] am I getting premature to ask on some

[39:27] broad level what the implementation

[39:29] program timeline would entail ?

[39:32] OK.

[39:33] That's a great question.

[39:34] And let me let me how can we have

[39:37] staff respond to that And I'm through with my question, sir.

[39:40] Question I, I think that would be

[39:43] premature to answer that question Yes,

[39:44] the commission actually approves something.

[39:46] And if they were to approve something theoretically,

[39:50] it would have to go to city council for approval Okay.

[39:53] So the recommendation of the city council for approval,

[39:55] and if they approved of it it would

[39:59] take some significant period of time

[40:02] to get that going with normally with, say, another three months

[40:06] after that.

[40:07] So there was supportive five months.

[40:09] There's a process involved.

[40:13] I hope that answers your question Thank you.

[40:17] Thank you Clark.

[40:19] If we could call the next speaker, please

[40:23] The next speakers, Terry Whitley Following is Curtis Van Buskirk

[40:31] Good friends you'd like to yield your minutes to who's

[40:37] the next speaker after Terry watts Okay, sir, you can

[40:44] you can come forward.

[40:46] Thank you.

[40:47] So I thought Curtis should come, right?

[40:49] I'm sorry, Curtis Curtis Van Buskirk is next So who is that?

[40:53] Who is the next one?

[40:54] After It's Curtis.

[40:57] Jim Cooper Gary Steinberg and Ed?

[41:04] OK, so the speaker after the lady who just yielded her 3

[41:09] minutes is what's that next Speaker Curtis Van

[41:12] Buskirk and that's Curtis But you're yielding your 3 minutes

[41:17] to the gentleman next to you.

[41:19] I understand.

[41:20] Okay, Curtis, you can come forward.

[41:21] Thank you.

[41:22] You, sir Thank you for being here.

[41:31] Thank you for having me.

[41:32] Once again I'm becoming a persistent thorn in your side.

[41:36] Short of it, I'd like to first start

[41:39] by thanking the diligence of staff

[41:41] for going through this effort I know it's not an easy feat,

[41:46] and I also want to thank Commission for listening

[41:50] to those of us that have experienced this, you know,

[41:52] ongoing matter and issue So based on what I just

[41:58] heard about that timeline of 4 or 5 months,

[42:01] I am imploring commission and staff

[42:05] to expedite at all costs We have continued to experience.

[42:11] I significant pressure after the implementation of no parking

[42:17] overnight on the park, which, by the way, looks amazing now.

[42:21] It's beautiful.

[42:22] It's Yeah, it's swept regularly I couldn't have

[42:27] asked for a better outcome.

[42:29] However for the bubble effect or the balloon effect.

[42:32] As you know, Director Ames has a So cleverly

[42:36] named it has pushed out so we request that there's

[42:42] expediency in this process.

[42:45] My original statement i hate when my wife tells me

[42:49] I told you so and I say this with an entire respect

[42:55] but I told you so relative to expanding the group of petitions

[42:59] that were sent out those that are not experiencing

[43:02] this problem today have no motivation

[43:05] to vote in affirmative with the exception

[43:08] of a few that do regularly.

[43:10] See this as a problem.

[43:12] So what you see as a result here are the direct impacted areas

[43:16] that voted in affirmative in a significant way

[43:19] because those are the ones currently

[43:21] experiencing the the issues today I empathize.

[43:28] I know that there are some that are opposed to this measure I do

[43:33] empathize with those in the community

[43:35] And I this is not a myopic view from my point point.

[43:40] It is something that is more holistic in nature.

[43:43] But something's got to give And that's really what

[43:46] we've come to at this point.

[43:48] And what you see as far as requests for implementation is,

[43:53] is a you know, overwhelming support for those

[43:57] directly impacted.

[43:59] And I guarantee that those once this does going effect,

[44:04] it will become a problem somewhere

[44:06] else within the community, in the neighborhood.

[44:09] And I also want to go hearken back to the original,

[44:13] the measure that was voted on to open up

[44:16] parking on Lincoln Hills Drive.

[44:18] That's wonderful.

[44:19] All that is not opened up or alleviated The problem for us

[44:23] in our community at this point.

[44:25] So we continue to be you know, steadfast in our pursuit

[44:29] of ensuring that this is done.

[44:31] Thank you.

[44:32] You.

[44:32] Well, it's new at that open parking is a new item,

[44:37] so let's let's see, let's give it a little bit of time

[44:40] to see how that transpires Are there

[44:43] any questions from the commissioner or to our speaker

[44:46] tonight, anything you'd like to say Yeah.

[44:50] Okay Thank you.

[44:51] Thank you.

[44:51] Thank you, Clark, You can call the next speaker Next speaker

[44:56] is Gary steinberg.

[44:57] You have six minutes.

[44:58] Gary Good evening, sir.

[45:02] Thank you for being here.

[45:03] Thank you.

[45:04] I hope you don't start charge if you ramp up here.

[45:06] So often That's okay.

[45:08] You're more of you can come and speak whenever you want.

[45:11] We enjoy you being here.

[45:12] Thank you.

[45:13] You so much.

[45:14] And thank you for all the diligence

[45:16] and hard work Again, a big thank you to Joe and Julie

[45:19] and the old saying Be careful what you ask for seems

[45:23] to apply with our issues.

[45:24] We ask for permit parking.

[45:26] Typically the eight nonresidents from coming

[45:28] into our neighborhood for parking only to trash

[45:31] it and create a nuisance.

[45:32] All we wanted was permit parking for our homeowners and guests

[45:36] like receiving a wish from a genie.

[45:38] There's always a catch In this case,

[45:41] we get no parking for street sweeping and escalating fines

[45:45] from 15 to hundreds of dollars And this

[45:50] is that in any way fair?

[45:52] This led to some people not to agree to permit

[45:55] parking when prior to this.

[45:57] They were in favor We never had a trash problem before.

[46:01] Out of your area, Parkers came to our streets

[46:04] Street sweeping was never a problem.

[46:06] There is no alternative place to park on sweeping days

[46:10] long with this comes signed blight.

[46:11] We get polls with double signs.

[46:13] We do not need that either It's another people don't want

[46:17] the double signs for street sweeping and anonymous flyer

[46:21] that some people thought came from the city Also

[46:23] put people off.

[46:24] They thought they would be.

[46:26] There would be garage inspections.

[46:28] People still believe this.

[46:30] You sent out a petition, not a ballot.

[46:32] If we do not have enough signatures,

[46:34] we asked for more time to get them in.

[46:36] Also there is no parking.

[46:38] I'm backing him.

[46:40] If picking him park.

[46:41] Acacia Knowles has now taken the parking in our neighborhood.

[46:44] Totally unfair to have a gated community that

[46:48] should be their problem, not our problem The solution

[46:51] to these problems to remove the street

[46:53] sweeping mandate from the permitted streets

[46:55] are just sunset Specifically restore

[46:58] parking behind occasional US and the south side of the street.

[47:03] Across from that can harm park.

[47:05] It was made no parking because resident Mary Pruitt complain

[47:08] and promptly stalled after it was adopted.

[47:12] All wants to park on the street, give them their back

[47:14] and him parking back.

[47:15] The unification of the parking.

[47:17] They should park next to their neighborhood.

[47:19] That and someone else's.

[47:20] Next, we come to Laguna Hills Drive.

[47:22] If we have if we have been taking i

[47:25] have been taking out driving by every day.

[47:27] Let's address to the north side the medical building

[47:30] and a little go towards only uses 50%

[47:32] of the spaces allotted to them for permits and a street

[47:35] in their parking lot is less than 50% full.

[47:38] I've notice every day for the last two weeks

[47:41] and i suggest city open the north side

[47:43] to all parkers west of their permitted spaces

[47:46] and reduce how much space.

[47:47] They are allowed in the building.

[47:49] Can implement a van, pull or Laguna woods of parking

[47:53] inside their walls.

[47:54] They can get a shuttle for their employees

[47:56] Our city needs the parking signage could restrict

[47:59] high school, partly because I don't watch a thing

[48:03] about kids crossing the street.

[48:05] That was the okay with the additional parking

[48:08] on Laguna Hill Drive.

[48:09] I think most of the parking issues

[48:10] will resolve themselves Thank you.

[48:14] You so much.

[48:15] Very, very good comments It seems like you put together

[48:18] a really big strategic plan But, you know,

[48:21] I do want to say a lot of folks are asking for that streets

[48:24] sweeping restriction.

[48:26] Yeah we've never had anything on our streets

[48:29] except believes in for 40 years.

[48:32] I've lived almost 40 years.

[48:33] I've lived here.

[48:34] There's never been trash until the out of area

[48:37] because people out of the area, they don't care

[48:39] where they throw it garbage.

[48:40] They open their car either when they get well

[48:42] actually do it when they leave.

[48:44] They don't eat our junk on to the street If they're not there,

[48:48] there won't be if we won't have a street sweeping, probably

[48:50] at least in Sunset Place.

[48:51] I believe Yeah.

[48:52] Stay there.

[48:53] Stay minute.

[48:54] Commissioners, do you have any questions that you like?

[48:56] I know Mr. Patel, just a quick question A couple of questions,

[49:00] actually.

[49:01] Do you have the rest of your HOA board here tonight with you?

[49:04] I only have one, Terry.

[49:05] Okay.

[49:06] Just one touch here.

[49:07] Also, I didn't see them in the back half.

[49:09] Two of our five.

[49:10] 3 of our five.

[49:11] I'm sorry Gotcha.

[49:12] I'm glad you guys showed a good showing tonight

[49:16] I have to say, you know, based on all the comments and all

[49:19] the different discussions that we've had

[49:21] and continue on from your neighborhood,

[49:23] it's a little surprising that the neighborhood has you know,

[49:27] not met that threshold for the parking

[49:29] permit that flyer was a big in people.

[49:33] I said that was an anonymous flyer,

[49:34] even though we know who did it.

[49:36] Yeah.

[49:36] And it doesn't Yeah, Yeah.

[49:38] And other thing was I heard comments and previous traffic

[49:41] commission meetings that the problem was on back in hand

[49:44] Street and so the traffic commission extend

[49:47] did the existing no parking just to the edge

[49:50] of where Acacia Lane was.

[49:52] There is complaints about you know,

[49:53] these seedy activities near the park.

[49:56] So the traffic commission responded,

[49:58] which none of that none of that came from people

[50:01] from Acacia knowles.

[50:02] It was the other people in the surrounding area,

[50:04] Acacia Knowles never complained except for when

[50:09] Mary Pearl lived there.

[50:10] And so there is noise behind my house.

[50:12] And as soon as yes, but if I remember correctly,

[50:15] there was a member of your HOA board

[50:16] that also complained about, you know, problem is, at the park.

[50:19] At the park.

[50:20] So i'm finding a little interesting that, you know,

[50:23] you're coming here tonight with public comment

[50:25] saying you want to open up parking back at the park.

[50:27] No, no, not at the park and across the street.

[50:30] And keep behind Acacia and Knowles.

[50:33] Leave the park where it is.

[50:35] But you Acacia and also had a no parking section to the dead end

[50:41] from their driveway to the dead end

[50:43] Acacia Knowles could park their own cars behind their own houses

[50:47] Actually, there was an existing So if you look at that,

[50:50] yeah, there was existing read was existing right.

[50:52] Only section that was added really

[50:54] on to their side of the street.

[50:56] So I say remove that restriction because the lady

[50:59] that wanted it sold her house immediately and left.

[51:02] So i don't know ification Knowles himself anyone

[51:04] else indication Knowles wants that restricted they could use

[51:08] that space for their overflow Yeah, I think the concern

[51:13] tonight, at least from my perspective, what I'm hearing

[51:15] from, you know, yourself and, you know, members

[51:17] of your community that have yielded their time to you

[51:20] is you don't have the you know, the votes.

[51:23] If you will, for your community And now

[51:27] you are trying to insinuate that other areas of the community we

[51:31] should open up parking because it would somehow this

[51:35] is like the next solution.

[51:36] And I think quite frankly speaking, you know,

[51:39] we as a commission have tried very

[51:41] hard to work with Sanchez sons.

[51:43] So that's to make this happen.

[51:46] And I'm just trying to that is also on the residents.

[51:49] Yeah, I don't want to complain and not have a solution anyway,

[51:52] so that's no good.

[51:53] Yeah.

[51:54] And I would love to open up the entire laguna Hills,

[51:57] drive the parking Yeah.

[51:59] Because I, we we appreciate that.

[52:03] And I understand what you're saying,

[52:05] but they you did make one comment tonight and it was like,

[52:09] give them back to Buckingham Park

[52:11] parking or adamantly i mean, right behind their house

[52:15] or John Cross me question.

[52:17] Just give i live in the HOA and you know we have restrictions

[52:22] and I'm parking and having a car and a garage

[52:27] with at least one space.

[52:30] So parking things.

[52:31] I know we have not been we have nothing

[52:36] And you can ask you have no know for a parking garages that

[52:42] and you know the only ban.

[52:44] We have is nothing You can't have a car or a vehicle that

[52:47] doesn't fit in their garage.

[52:49] You don't have to put it in there.

[52:50] But that's the only ban.

[52:51] We have because it's a city street in acacia Knowles

[52:54] is different I'm sorry, because they're gated

[52:57] and they own the streets Yeah Yeah, because i was thinking,

[53:04] you know, if you did sort of see if keisha knows that you can

[53:09] make sure, you know there's a chance

[53:13] of finding the 99.9% of our neighborhood parks

[53:17] in our neighborhood.

[53:18] We don't.

[53:18] The only people who park outside is someone

[53:20] who has a large vehicle.

[53:22] I think there's only two of those ones,

[53:25] a commercial It's got writing at it,

[53:29] and the other one is brand new.

[53:31] He got a big commuter van, the one

[53:34] fitness driver won't go one into the garage either but that's it.

[53:39] Well, we.

[53:40] We did go through the process.

[53:42] Yep we did.

[53:43] And we had an extension.

[53:46] Maybe there's no extension in the election process,

[53:50] but but in the future you know, six months nine months

[53:55] down the road, if you guys choose to do that process again

[53:58] maybe it'll be a different approach.

[54:00] But we went through the process.

[54:02] I and we followed the guidelines and the community

[54:06] spoke I or came in that, you know,

[54:10] again like as Char Miller said, you can definitely you can start

[54:14] tomorrow to get, you know, signatures once again,

[54:18] once you have your petition format maybe this time,

[54:21] instead of mail ballots, you would have to go door to door

[54:24] and educate your fellow residents as part of your HOA.

[54:27] Use your HOA board meetings, use your newsletters.

[54:31] Tracy and another knows another homeowner tried there,

[54:35] but it was hard to reach people.

[54:36] And 818 of our 68 houses are I I understand that, sir.

[54:41] But here's the thing.

[54:42] Laguna Hills has other HOA neighborhoods as well, some that

[54:46] have also implemented parking.

[54:47] I know.

[54:48] So I mean, I don't want to make you know, I know Yeah.

[54:52] Yeah.

[54:52] It's we fell short.

[54:54] You don't win them all Well, thank you

[54:56] for I thank you so much Thank you

[54:58] for leading the nation to consider the north

[55:00] side of the foothills Drive.

[55:02] All right.

[55:02] Thank you.

[55:03] You.

[55:04] Thank you for your comments Clark.

[55:06] The next public speaker, please.

[55:09] Next speaker is Jim Cooper followed by Ed Zapico

[55:15] Hello, sir.

[55:16] Welcome Hello.

[55:19] I want to start by thanking you for giving up

[55:21] your Wednesday evening to be here for this meeting

[55:24] And thank you, guys.

[55:27] Anyway I live on keystone 24892, which

[55:31] if you look at customer curves or the green

[55:35] a camera will hits Costco, it turns into Wilkes.

[55:37] So that bottom little leg of the curve that's red

[55:41] is actually Wilkes.

[55:42] That's got it.

[55:43] That's not coastal St but where the green is,

[55:46] i'm three houses from the park and no farther

[55:50] than that where we lived.

[55:53] There.

[55:53] 33 years, paid taxes, voted once we that's been our home.

[55:57] Our kids grew up, went to went to the local schools,

[56:01] graduated between two hills high are grandkids

[56:04] are there all the time.

[56:06] And it's actually gotten worse since you put the no parking

[56:10] at Buckingham Park.

[56:12] And overnight now the cars are parking in front of our house.

[56:16] But over the years, I've witnessed

[56:18] drug sales and drug use.

[56:21] I've witnessed after work the gathering

[56:23] of of people's drinking beers outside their trucks

[56:27] and the pickup trucks in the on the side of the park

[56:30] there trash in the streets urination

[56:34] in the streets and worse human waste and like I said,

[56:39] I'm only three.

[56:40] So when you look at the numbers, our little section of gusto

[56:47] it was seven out of 12.

[56:48] Another point I wanted to bring up is at least four

[56:52] of those homes are at least are either senior living

[56:56] facilities or rental.

[56:58] And so four out of the 12.

[57:00] And I know for a fact that the house

[57:02] across the street that was a rental, the tenants

[57:05] received the notice.

[57:06] The owner didn't receive the notice

[57:08] So they had these owners have no say on their property values

[57:11] I'm sure the the businesses might not want it

[57:16] because permit parking would require their patients families

[57:20] that come to visit get permits and it

[57:22] might be a hassle for them, but it's not fair to the resident

[57:24] who've lived there.

[57:26] It's not fair that when we moved in,

[57:28] we didn't have this issue When there used.

[57:33] There's been signs on Stockport for the longest time

[57:36] when they put them at the bottom of Wilkes

[57:39] and it's been up to the top of Wilkes there

[57:41] It's when they put it at the bottom of Wilkes

[57:43] and partially up Woolwich Five years ago,

[57:47] that's when it started getting bad

[57:49] And then just recently, they moved it.

[57:50] The rest of the way up.

[57:51] We'll watch to the edge, to snow.

[57:54] And then they know that they've done.

[57:56] One more.

[57:56] And so it's a it's a snowball effect that keeps

[57:59] it keeps move in the cars.

[58:03] Now, if you look where Stockport and perceived Ave Valencia meet

[58:09] that's where the apartment is for how far these people

[58:11] will travel by parking.

[58:14] So one of the things the city doesn't do

[58:15] is address the overcrowding in the apartment

[58:18] There should be there shouldn't be that many cars.

[58:20] First place.

[58:22] And so you're putting the burden on the homeowners.

[58:25] But if you took the five seconds.

[58:28] If you took the seven out of 12 at 58%

[58:30] and combined us with the Greens, then we would pass,

[58:34] we would be included.

[58:35] We would still be over the 67% threshold.

[58:39] But for us not to get it at three houses down my house

[58:43] and for the houses, three houses up the other direction to get

[58:45] it is just going to screw me.

[58:47] Even more.

[58:48] Or excuse my language.

[58:49] I'm sorry it's going to you just stay there a minute.

[58:52] We're going to open this up Commissioners

[58:54] asking some questions.

[58:56] But I did want to ask staff when we send the ballots out, do.

[59:00] Do we just send it to the home address

[59:04] or do we send it to the owner of the home

[59:10] we send it to the owner of the home Simple code

[59:14] requires that the ballot petition be signed

[59:18] by the property owner Bye bye.

[59:21] Bye Municipal council.

[59:22] We sent it to the property owner and there,

[59:28] as has been mentioned there are both owner occupied homes

[59:34] and rental homes.

[59:36] People who live on the street that are owner

[59:39] occupied homes have the ability to do

[59:43] a due canvassing to get signatures from property owners.

[59:49] OK We don't know who the property owners are.

[59:55] They're businesses.

[59:56] And, senior living homes on OK I want

[1:00:03] to think on that for a minute Commissioners, do we do.

[1:00:06] We have any questions for our speaker This is a tough one.

[1:00:10] Yeah.

[1:00:10] Oh yeah.

[1:00:11] If you if you do what's in green,

[1:00:14] it's just going to push it, right?

[1:00:15] I mean we're actually closer than the people on letting

[1:00:19] in the people unhindered I know exactly where

[1:00:23] that's that i walk around.

[1:00:25] Thank you, sir because I was a parking operations

[1:00:29] commissioner so I didn't.

[1:00:30] But I You bring up a very good point.

[1:00:34] That's i don't have a solution.

[1:00:43] I don't either.

[1:00:44] This wasn't a problem before the city started.

[1:00:47] But I see you know, messing around before.

[1:00:49] But the rest of Wilkes is you know, has permitted parking

[1:00:55] And then around the corner over to Costco.

[1:00:58] I know it's basically one once street

[1:01:02] and there's a barricade that separates it.

[1:01:05] But it's on the Wilkes side.

[1:01:06] It's.

[1:01:07] Yeah Mr. Patel.

[1:01:12] Yeah.

[1:01:13] I had a question so sure recognize that you know you are

[1:01:16] you guys are almost there on your street

[1:01:18] in particular was your attempts to at least

[1:01:22] I know that you mentioned that there's nursing facility

[1:01:25] is non-owner occupied homes but there were probably

[1:01:29] some owner occupied homes that maybe weren't reached

[1:01:32] or educated enough Do you feel like if maybe you were

[1:01:35] to attempt to even try to reach a petition just costo

[1:01:41] and you know, the next few months granted,

[1:01:44] you're sandwiched between the green and the yellow,

[1:01:46] so more homes will feel it.

[1:01:48] Yes.

[1:01:48] You know I feel like maybe that is probably your solution

[1:01:51] to, you know, hopefully be able to kind

[1:01:54] of make this more contiguous and, you know, get action.

[1:01:59] Yes.

[1:02:00] That at least that at least let us repetition and try to push it

[1:02:04] But like I said, if you include it with the subdivision

[1:02:09] of Hutton Lutton and Hendon, when you add our 13 of 25

[1:02:14] into that group, it brings it up to 74%.

[1:02:17] And we're certainly as close as they are you know,

[1:02:19] the ones that you're approving.

[1:02:21] Yeah, because one of the, you know, pitfalls

[1:02:23] of having a mailing system rather than, you know,

[1:02:27] petitioning yourself is, when you

[1:02:29] petition yourselves you have your timeline

[1:02:32] that you can collect.

[1:02:33] Those are our neighbors did tell me that they got a petition They

[1:02:37] received the position at their house

[1:02:39] and not doubting that their mail them to the owners.

[1:02:41] But they said they couldn't sign it, because they're renters.

[1:02:44] They don't own the property.

[1:02:45] And I said, that's right You know,

[1:02:46] so I don't know how to get a hold of their owners,

[1:02:48] but I don't know who their owners are.

[1:02:50] They just have It's been a rental house for years

[1:02:53] And then you you know, it's i have a side yard that's

[1:03:01] like a kind of an RV access and on there have a lift I

[1:03:04] have a collection of old cars.

[1:03:06] So I work on them.

[1:03:07] Never have had a problem with someone blocking

[1:03:09] my side or yard access It doesn't have a curb, you know,

[1:03:13] a curb.

[1:03:13] So I have little rubber ramps to go up and down my side yard

[1:03:17] and it's got cement to get behind the gate.

[1:03:19] And when I'm behind the gate, it's closed and working.

[1:03:22] So I don't want to be ordinance issues

[1:03:24] But you know, now I've got cars parking there and i've got trash

[1:03:29] and I've got, you know people, you know, loud at night parking

[1:03:33] at night because when the other area fills up,

[1:03:35] it starts coming down our way And, so they're

[1:03:38] up at 1130 at night laughing and yelling and making noise

[1:03:41] and, you know, just it's just such

[1:03:43] a nuisance and 30 something years,

[1:03:45] it's never been like this No, no.

[1:03:47] I think everyone on this commission,

[1:03:49] even commissions past I sympathize.

[1:03:51] We recognize this is a similar theme that we hear over and over

[1:03:55] with areas that have over parking,

[1:03:57] you know, streets are having issues.

[1:03:58] Maybe some you know, unintended behavior on, I have to say,

[1:04:03] compared to the first time when residents came regarding these

[1:04:07] streets, I saw a much larger room full of people

[1:04:10] And so today, to see less, I don't know if folks maybe knew

[1:04:14] that, you know, had a sense of what the results

[1:04:17] would be after 5 p.m..

[1:04:19] But I have to say, you know, I think many of these streets that

[1:04:22] were close you definitely have a chance of, you know,

[1:04:26] trying this again and trying to do door to door.

[1:04:28] And more than, you know, just relying on the mailers,

[1:04:30] talking to the renters to talk to the owners next time

[1:04:33] they do their rent checks or whatnot.

[1:04:35] But you know, I think I have to go back to the comments

[1:04:39] and you know, one of the other speakers tonight that, you know,

[1:04:43] we shouldn't allow, you know, to the detriment of them,

[1:04:47] the fact that other areas didn't, you know,

[1:04:49] unfortunate and get their signatures.

[1:04:50] And so I hope that makes my I think it's Yeah

[1:04:54] and it's it's probably like like the other gentleman said it's

[1:04:59] not hurting them today when you soon as you do the greens

[1:05:03] it's going to hurt us more and I'm

[1:05:05] only three short tosses down.

[1:05:06] So I see it now it's hurting now the houses 12 houses down are

[1:05:11] going to start seeing it because they're

[1:05:12] going to be willing to walk that much further or right.

[1:05:15] They right at folding bikes and scooters

[1:05:17] and all kinds of stuff in their trunks

[1:05:19] to get down to the apartments.

[1:05:21] But it's, you know, And then is there

[1:05:23] anything we can do with the parking at the apartments?

[1:05:25] I mean, is there anything we can do to stop the limit?

[1:05:28] How many people are in each apartment

[1:05:30] How many families live in each?

[1:05:32] So the reason why no go got Go ahead.

[1:05:34] I was just going to say that that is a hot topic.

[1:05:38] Yeah I mean, I sympathize with the owner of the apartment

[1:05:41] They want to make money.

[1:05:42] But, you know we're some of the new developments that we have

[1:05:45] coming into the city that you know,

[1:05:47] the state will regulate 1.5 park in spot per apartment.

[1:05:52] Yeah.

[1:05:53] And they have.

[1:05:54] And each apartment has three cars.

[1:05:55] Yeah.

[1:05:56] 3 or 4 adults living there.

[1:05:57] So the state doesn't put us in a good position

[1:06:02] to to tell developers or apartments how to,

[1:06:06] how to regulate that.

[1:06:08] So but that is, that is the hot topic.

[1:06:11] What you're saying right now is because we consistently

[1:06:15] see that everywhere in the city where

[1:06:18] we have high density housing.

[1:06:20] Right.

[1:06:20] We this is exactly what we see.

[1:06:22] Yeah.

[1:06:23] Yeah.

[1:06:23] I was going to add that, you know, part of the reasons why,

[1:06:26] you know in prior commissions I've tried to explore even next

[1:06:30] month when we have our on you know,

[1:06:33] town hall sort of setting on the 12th for parking Part of that is

[1:06:37] because I'm personally, I've always been an advocate

[1:06:40] of if the state is mandating what parking we can or cannot

[1:06:45] allow for new developments or any kind of development,

[1:06:49] then it's up to the city and its residents to make sure that we

[1:06:52] can protect our common resource, which is the streets

[1:06:55] that all of our taxes maintain.

[1:06:57] And, those streets are your streets

[1:07:00] And so, you know, regulating them is your solution.

[1:07:03] I feel compared to, you know, what is outside of our purview

[1:07:07] when it comes to that 1.5 parking spaces per apartment

[1:07:11] unit into And then is there any way

[1:07:14] to subdivide the subdivided I mean,

[1:07:16] I guarantee you the first seven homes.

[1:07:18] I know for sure the first seven homes I've tried to cut this

[1:07:23] every way they possibly could.

[1:07:25] Staff can speak to that.

[1:07:26] Like I said, this closer yard to the park,

[1:07:27] the more it impacts you.

[1:07:29] So the first seven homes were across the street from me

[1:07:31] and three on my side, four on my side.

[1:07:34] I know for a fact the first eight homes.

[1:07:36] I could get 200% because they've already they're already

[1:07:40] starting to experience it now.

[1:07:41] So they know So if you the commissioners can look

[1:07:45] at the map in front of them to see who actually respond bonded

[1:07:50] the homes directly across the street from Beckenham Park

[1:07:53] is actually Wilks Place That's the section,

[1:07:56] you live in, correct, sir Right across the street

[1:07:58] from Beckenham Park.

[1:07:59] I live on.

[1:08:00] See where the curve is on?

[1:08:01] Casto Yes, I live on the inside of the curve across the street,

[1:08:05] you know, but the corner of the park

[1:08:07] is where the greenery meets the red.

[1:08:09] And so I'm three houses in and I know

[1:08:12] the first house, the second house and the third house

[1:08:14] all signed for sure.

[1:08:16] The house directly across the street from me

[1:08:18] here and the owners here.

[1:08:20] And I'm fairly certain the people on the corner and i'm

[1:08:26] not the one, the one next to the corners, a rental.

[1:08:29] I'm sorry.

[1:08:29] What What if you're willing to give your address, can you

[1:08:32] provide your address to 4892 So on first Street,

[1:08:38] as as we've already said, seven of the 12 homes

[1:08:43] provide and return of petition in that segment

[1:08:49] And even if you were to add that to the other segment

[1:08:52] is you have to add up the total number of homes, total number

[1:08:56] of people who've returned petitions divided by the number

[1:08:59] of homes in the segment.

[1:09:02] And that doesn't that that.

[1:09:04] So if we if we took the 13 out of 25 and added it

[1:09:09] to the Lutton and ended, then we would be

[1:09:13] at 4,074% 47 out of Third 63.

[1:09:17] And we're like I said, we're just as close as they are.

[1:09:23] I had no idea that if they sent out that many, you know,

[1:09:26] that they had an okay, so let's take a look at your math

[1:09:28] here for quick second OK That's sort I am getting 31 out of 50.

[1:10:12] I'm not getting i'm getting less than 67%.

[1:10:17] I'm adding up the green ones that are

[1:10:19] shown on the screen over there.

[1:10:22] And then I'm adding the seven of 12 in the seventh.

[1:10:25] So the numerator and I'm adding 12 to the denominator

[1:10:28] and I'm not getting 67% was your numerator So if you actually,

[1:10:36] you know what, I did my own math wrong.

[1:10:38] You did it wrong.

[1:10:39] Yeah.

[1:10:40] Because it's 41 out of 50.

[1:10:41] OK And you get included.

[1:10:44] So first, you can also.

[1:10:45] Yeah, you could include Salford if you

[1:10:47] wanted to in Salford Then when I do that study it would still be.

[1:10:52] And that's 51 out of 70 But again, we're starting to get

[1:10:57] into disconnected pieces.

[1:10:59] Yours is a connected piece.

[1:11:00] And I would agree that that would probably

[1:11:03] be if they divided it by how close

[1:11:05] you are to the park and the parking

[1:11:07] problem that's been created.

[1:11:09] But like as soon as you pass ours,

[1:11:13] I understand people are going to be standing here representing

[1:11:16] their homes and you All right.

[1:11:18] I understand, sir, But this business of the city council

[1:11:20] for approval and they don't they have not generally

[1:11:24] approved of discussing the council approved the lower ones

[1:11:27] And that's what started this problem.

[1:11:29] I agree And then they approved the next set.

[1:11:31] And that compounded the problem Now,

[1:11:33] they approved the no parking at the park,

[1:11:35] which compounds it even more.

[1:11:37] Right.

[1:11:38] And so we're getting the brunt of it.

[1:11:40] And like i said, if you don't take out

[1:11:42] the rentals for owners who don't care then or give

[1:11:46] us their names and addresses.

[1:11:48] So we can canvas them then we don't have,

[1:11:52] you know, we're stuck right?

[1:11:54] I guess.

[1:11:55] Yeah.

[1:11:56] It's up to the commission right, tonight

[1:11:58] to decide whether or not these are just

[1:12:00] contiguous sections or not.

[1:12:03] The way that I see Salford is it would the existing yellow

[1:12:07] and by having the at least the Costco section connected

[1:12:11] to the green and the yellow, it kind of creates more of a

[1:12:15] you know, district Yeah.

[1:12:17] If it does connect like that.

[1:12:18] Yeah I guess I'd be open to other commissioners

[1:12:26] whose thoughts you should be.

[1:12:32] Another piece that over here.

[1:12:34] Can you go back to the slide Sam.

[1:12:36] Yes, please I would just leg forward please.

[1:12:40] So your adding Salford into this.

[1:12:45] And then this.

[1:12:46] And then adding that piece.

[1:12:48] Yeah.

[1:12:48] And then all this would be create All this would be green.

[1:12:52] And then just to turn 72.8.

[1:12:57] Okay.

[1:12:58] Yeah.

[1:12:59] OK.

[1:13:00] So then this would be kind of like this.

[1:13:03] OK Yes.

[1:13:06] Now, in that Wilks place the one on the floor.

[1:13:09] I think.

[1:13:09] I think there's at least one senior living.

[1:13:12] But I don't know about rentals.

[1:13:14] I just know there is one senior living.

[1:13:17] So it's a business It's actually three.

[1:13:20] If you're talking residential homes.

[1:13:22] So there saying by adding those numbers together,

[1:13:24] we meet the threshold.

[1:13:25] Yes, it looks like so lot of embarrassment for me.

[1:13:30] But if you add a Wilkes Place neighborhood 1 to 4,

[1:13:34] if you add pesto between Camberwell and Woolwich

[1:13:39] each that that segment only 7 of 12.

[1:13:42] And then you add in Salford St I want to do my math again here

[1:13:49] and I'm on and I'm getting 52 over 74.

[1:13:52] So I need to go do the math one more time on And then

[1:13:56] quick question on cost.

[1:13:58] So st So I know this cul de sac is also a cost.

[1:14:01] So yeah, that's what's included in the larger costs

[1:14:04] which is the 13 of the 25.

[1:14:06] So i guess because if the concern of the city staff

[1:14:09] is Salford St if we connected all these sections,

[1:14:14] we would still get over the 67, right?

[1:14:17] I can go through the math there And

[1:14:23] when I was looking at this in isolation over here,

[1:14:26] what do you.

[1:14:27] So I'm suggesting that this is technically

[1:14:29] also costo st right, apologise for the sign

[1:14:33] Well, you're fine, but.

[1:14:33] Well, it's good that we work.

[1:14:34] I appreciate you.

[1:14:35] Appreciate you words here and also had quite a few signatures.

[1:14:41] So we could actually started from here.

[1:14:43] And if the city staff were concerned

[1:14:44] that this would be disjointed, this all combined Yes.

[1:14:49] Would actually make it much harder.

[1:14:51] Slide sound, please OK.

[1:14:53] But the numbers here to meet the threshold

[1:14:55] when those are added in.

[1:14:58] OK.

[1:14:59] Okay Can you go back to the St so so this time Okay.

[1:15:08] From this cul de sac, it's 30.

[1:15:12] Oh, yeah.

[1:15:14] So yeah.

[1:15:14] Typo.

[1:15:15] Yeah Sorry, folks.

[1:15:17] Julie So there's a typo on Salford St ten of 30

[1:15:21] rather than 20 Ten of 31 of 20.

[1:15:27] Yeah.

[1:15:29] She's circled on a piece of paper

[1:15:31] 20, which was supposed to be the threshold for getting a 67%.

[1:15:34] And I wrote down the wrong number.

[1:15:37] Can you double check and truly the numbers

[1:15:39] what we're doing this so that bottom number should be at 30.

[1:15:52] Yes, 20.

[1:15:53] That's correct.

[1:15:55] So so that puts us back under the threshold.

[1:15:59] we can still include that section and things.

[1:16:02] Okay.

[1:16:02] Yeah.

[1:16:03] Also, if you look at the geography of it

[1:16:05] after after hindon, if you go back to the map,

[1:16:10] if you look at your map after the curve of Costo and ended

[1:16:13] it's going downhill And so people like walking

[1:16:16] uphill to get to their place.

[1:16:18] But from i guess it's not that big

[1:16:21] a deal when they need parking they need parking.

[1:16:24] But right now, you know, they're not sulfur doesn't see the same.

[1:16:29] My view is, is there any way to pull up the map

[1:16:31] and actually drawing it straight to what's that is 30 on Salford?

[1:16:39] It is 30.

[1:16:41] OK.

[1:16:41] Each section and you know, I'm saying.

[1:16:46] Like for everyone to have just to make notes.

[1:16:49] Yeah there is 30 down here.

[1:16:55] Having Salford makes up less 67%.

[1:16:58] OK So combining the ten of 30 on Salford

[1:17:07] does that, combining all those areas

[1:17:09] together is that bring us back under the threshold.

[1:17:13] So if you do as the Speaker suggest and you add in cost so 7

[1:17:20] of 12 and Wilks, which was one of four at that point in time,

[1:17:26] you would have I'm sorry 13 my deal was Castro up

[1:17:37] to the hand in Woolwich each corner intersection

[1:17:41] and yes, back up to the Camberwell

[1:17:46] and probably then those three homes were wilks

[1:17:50] are for homes that we said that got zero response Is that what

[1:17:54] it was anyway that would be they would get shafted okay

[1:18:00] but it would still be Yeah so we're still short on that.

[1:18:08] If we only add to the green areas,

[1:18:10] if we only add from castello from Hendon,

[1:18:13] Woolwich to where the seven out of 1213 for Yeah.

[1:18:23] Even if you went through the whole street 13 or 25,

[1:18:26] it would still pass.

[1:18:27] If you just added it to the green ones that are approved.

[1:18:30] But I'm, I'm talking about distance,

[1:18:36] so it's not fair that we didn't take into account all

[1:18:40] the business is in the senior nursing homes and in rentals

[1:18:45] and we didn't you don't.

[1:18:46] We have too much of that affecting

[1:18:49] but then it's just starting now to get worse because they just

[1:18:54] put up those signs last months Let's see

[1:18:56] where the math takes us back.

[1:18:58] Thank you for your help.

[1:18:59] I appreciate it So adding all of Castello in

[1:19:41] would still be above the 67.

[1:19:44] So all of Cristo to that cul de sac Lutton

[1:19:50] Yeah, I'm not sure you're referring this

[1:19:54] is like two that are st This one here.

[1:19:56] Yeah, that's all of that And then all of Salford, Salford

[1:20:02] is because it's ten of 30, it's to the detriment

[1:20:05] of the okay of the process.

[1:20:07] That's, that's the problem there.

[1:20:09] OK.

[1:20:10] So the issue is.

[1:20:11] So if you approve all of that on Castello,

[1:20:15] all the way down to that cul de sac, now

[1:20:19] sell Salford is wide open for a for folks

[1:20:24] parking on that street OK well it is technically bounded by 2.

[1:20:38] Sure Yeah, sure.

[1:20:40] But the issue is.

[1:20:42] So you're removing all this, you know,

[1:20:45] and pushing and all of this.

[1:20:46] Yeah.

[1:20:47] Yeah.

[1:20:47] And you're pushing the changes.

[1:20:49] Didn't have the numbers OK.

[1:20:52] Yeah, right Okay.

[1:20:56] Okay Thank you, sir.

[1:20:57] Thank you, sir.

[1:20:57] Appreciate your time.

[1:20:58] Thank you so much, everybody.

[1:20:59] And and actually helping us to dig in a little bit

[1:21:03] deeper here Okay.

[1:21:04] Have a good evening.

[1:21:05] Thank you.

[1:21:05] Appreciate that.

[1:21:06] Thank you Clark.

[1:21:09] Our next speaker, please.

[1:21:11] Next speakers, Ed SAP, we go, followed

[1:21:15] by Kathy wolosky Good evening, sir, and good evening, everyone.

[1:21:20] Thank you for being here.

[1:21:21] I know these committees are out of your normal 8 to 5 jobs.

[1:21:27] And Mr. Miller, thank you for your initial comments about it

[1:21:30] is a drop in the water that spreads out?

[1:21:33] Yes Mr. Patel, I think you've said something

[1:21:35] very important Contact contiguous to the parking

[1:21:40] is a requirement.

[1:21:42] If you leave Salford out, you're going to create a pocket

[1:21:45] where you're going to have a this is

[1:21:47] going to come up very quickly.

[1:21:50] And I would implore Mr. Aims to I apologize.

[1:21:52] My name's Ed Zapico and I'm a 38 year residence

[1:21:56] of living with the Hill.

[1:21:57] So I was here before the city was started.

[1:22:00] I own several homes in Laguna Hills

[1:22:02] and we've chosen to live here.

[1:22:05] We love the city My kids go here.

[1:22:07] You know, my grandkids live here.

[1:22:09] But I would employ Mr. Aims to recommend

[1:22:12] to you guys to include salford.

[1:22:14] Even though I don't live there, I

[1:22:15] live on the corner of Camberwell in the Hamden for 95,

[1:22:21] so to drive I've been there since 2000.

[1:22:24] OK And my next door neighbor just sold.

[1:22:26] It is going to sell his house because

[1:22:28] of the parking situation.

[1:22:29] Two doors down, my neighbor is going

[1:22:31] to start selling this house.

[1:22:33] These are neighbors I've had for 25 years.

[1:22:36] It does affect the quality of life.

[1:22:38] And I I want to be empathetic to the whole situation.

[1:22:41] But I'm not to be honest with you.

[1:22:43] Sure I think there is a bigger element of problem

[1:22:47] that the city has because of the state mandates

[1:22:49] that are coming your way.

[1:22:51] But, Mr. Patel, you've said it right

[1:22:53] And we have to protect our own streets for right now.

[1:22:56] I mean, I think the sequel commission should

[1:22:58] go through the talks about air quality

[1:23:00] that protects the individual cities Those are things that I

[1:23:03] think you should look at it from a technical standpoint

[1:23:06] And I know the council people will be looking at numbers

[1:23:09] and numbers only 6 to 7%.

[1:23:11] We're only a 6 to 6%, but you as the commissioners

[1:23:14] have the right to recommend anything you want.

[1:23:18] And it's just a matter of arguing that out or making

[1:23:21] the council people understand that as

[1:23:25] to the benefit of the community, at least this part

[1:23:27] of the community, to have a contiguous non parking

[1:23:31] no parking know except for residents.

[1:23:33] And we're just imploring that you guys look at it

[1:23:35] as a contiguous process, not just

[1:23:37] pockets of 67%, percent of 40%.

[1:23:41] And then unfortunately the numbers that brought you down

[1:23:43] are that it's the HOA that's bringing

[1:23:47] you guys down overall from the numbers I'm seeing up here.

[1:23:52] So, again, I'm just here to emphasize that I support

[1:23:56] the parking requirements for the properties Everybody

[1:24:01] said, what I wanted to say earlier.

[1:24:02] You know you can't clean the streets when the parks

[1:24:05] are there for all the time.

[1:24:07] I live across the street from the park and I want a 100%.

[1:24:10] I mean, we were up there talking about all last two months

[1:24:13] about this or whatever.

[1:24:15] It's been so so we would like to have the city implement

[1:24:19] this as quickly as possible And the next question

[1:24:24] is, what is the next process?

[1:24:26] Because going to happen again.

[1:24:27] Right.

[1:24:28] So again, thank you Thank you for being here.

[1:24:31] And it just we as the commission,

[1:24:35] we love hearing from the community, especially folks

[1:24:38] like yourself, that have been in the community for so long.

[1:24:41] You've seen all the changes Commissioners,

[1:24:44] do you have any comments or questions for our speaker

[1:24:46] tonight I think we're grinding it through still.

[1:24:50] Yeah And we do appreciate your time And you know,

[1:24:53] I mean, I guess content contiguous

[1:24:56] This is a very important process for us

[1:24:58] because even such a small street like self that doesn't get

[1:25:02] the parking permits it's going to impact

[1:25:06] the entire neighborhood.

[1:25:08] It's the unintended consequence.

[1:25:10] And we were we've been dealing as a commission we've been

[1:25:14] dealing with this in in the city And, you know, I mean,

[1:25:19] there are folks that will maybe they live at Alisha Village

[1:25:23] and they'll park a mile away and keep an e-bike in the back

[1:25:27] of their car and drive their e-bike back to Alisha Village

[1:25:30] after they park in front of your house.

[1:25:32] I mean all the stories we hear it all,

[1:25:36] but we empathize with it.

[1:25:38] I mean thank you so much for being here tonight, Mr. Patel.

[1:25:41] You have some questions?

[1:25:43] I recognize that you are asking the commission

[1:25:46] to recommend something to the City Council that would not

[1:25:51] necessarily fall in line with the technical ordinance for that

[1:25:56] 67%.

[1:25:58] So i just to give you some background on the reason why

[1:26:01] there's always a lot of residents that are not

[1:26:03] happy with this commission when it comes to stop signs

[1:26:07] and, you know, parking permit programs is because, you know,

[1:26:09] this commission is actually responsible for making sure

[1:26:12] that, you know, the city's ordinances are

[1:26:14] used appropriately when we're making

[1:26:16] recommendations it's true.

[1:26:18] We can make whatever recommendation

[1:26:19] we want to the council.

[1:26:21] But i think it's kind of a false promise in a way,

[1:26:24] because if it's not us saying no to you,

[1:26:26] then it will go all the way to the city council.

[1:26:28] And they will say no to you because legal counsel

[1:26:31] is trying to protect the city's resources and assets.

[1:26:33] Right.

[1:26:34] Nobody in this community wants de-funded parks or police

[1:26:37] services because we lost a massive lawsuit because somebody

[1:26:41] sued about a stop sign that shouldn't have existed there

[1:26:44] or, you know, a parking permit program that you know,

[1:26:47] didn't meet the threshold of the city's ordinances.

[1:26:49] So you know, we're trying to balance that.

[1:26:54] if it's just numbers, then there's ways to look that number

[1:26:57] in a way that maximizes the well,

[1:26:59] you know, I think staff again, receiving

[1:27:04] all the ballots by 5:00 today.

[1:27:06] They worked really hard to figure

[1:27:08] out where those numbers could go, trying to figure that.

[1:27:12] I see that here and, you know, that's

[1:27:17] why we're diving deep into it right

[1:27:19] now during the meeting is this.

[1:27:21] How can we make these numbers work?

[1:27:23] But as vice Chair Patel states, we cannot legally recommend

[1:27:29] to the city council somebody that's going to violate

[1:27:31] something that's going to violate an ordinance or a policy

[1:27:37] because the city council then legally has to say yes to that,

[1:27:41] which jeopardizes the city.

[1:27:45] So we understand it's more than just numbers.

[1:27:48] It's quality of life It and there

[1:27:52] are unintended consequences because of this.

[1:27:56] So all that being said, we're doing our best right now

[1:28:00] to figure out how we can make these numbers

[1:28:03] work Well, thank you very much.

[1:28:05] Thank you for your attention.

[1:28:06] You.

[1:28:06] Thank you.

[1:28:07] Thank you.

[1:28:08] Thank you.

[1:28:08] Thank you Clark, if we could take our next public speaker,

[1:28:14] the last speakers.

[1:28:15] Cathy Wilkie.

[1:28:16] Cathy welcome.

[1:28:19] Good evening I've been a member of this town for 28 years.

[1:28:27] My husband and I moved here from the East Coast

[1:28:32] and I live on the corner of a bellboy and Collier Carmel

[1:28:37] and I thought the worst thing that I was going to have

[1:28:39] to deal with through the years was

[1:28:41] just dog poop on my property.

[1:28:43] But I've dealt with the sheriff's, been

[1:28:45] in my neighborhood quite a bit because there is a drug

[1:28:49] house all across the street on Villa Balboa

[1:28:52] and I would come out in the morning

[1:28:54] and there would be a bunch of sheriffs

[1:28:56] there with a lot of weaponry.

[1:28:58] That's frightening when your husband

[1:28:59] is traveling all the time on the side of my house is clear.

[1:29:03] Carmel and i've dealt with people driving up

[1:29:09] in huge RV's and parking them.

[1:29:13] And then living there for quite some time, leaving their trash.

[1:29:18] I won't even mention the other things.

[1:29:20] Drug things and even now there is a lot of parking there

[1:29:26] And what happens is the street is never swept

[1:29:30] and i've got health issues and my hedge

[1:29:33] against me trying to keep that side, clean.

[1:29:37] The reason i try and have that swept up

[1:29:40] as much as possible is because of in the back cul de sac there.

[1:29:46] We just have terrible floods back there because

[1:29:48] of the sewer that's there.

[1:29:51] The water, we would you clogged up with everything

[1:29:55] So the neighborhood is finally better with a drug house

[1:30:00] being sold and it's quieter.

[1:30:04] It's nicer, but i do see a lot of other cars coming in

[1:30:08] and parking that don't belong there.

[1:30:10] And it really concerns me And especially not not being

[1:30:17] able to keep the area clean.

[1:30:19] And I feel sorry for the people who live in the back

[1:30:21] of that cul de sac area.

[1:30:22] Not only do they have to contend with people coming over the wall

[1:30:26] from the park area but they also have to deal with flooding

[1:30:29] it from time to time.

[1:30:32] And I really think it's hit the horses

[1:30:36] committee I know you've been working on this probably

[1:30:39] for a long time.

[1:30:40] There's lots of problems in this town.

[1:30:42] But we really need to come up with something where they can be

[1:30:46] notified of where they can park and where it's allowable

[1:30:50] because it's just pushing it into the neighborhoods

[1:30:53] and I am not going to be putting up with that.

[1:30:57] What I put up with before with the drugs

[1:30:59] and the police over there all the time.

[1:31:02] It just is not fair to us.

[1:31:05] Well, first of all I'm sorry that you had to live through

[1:31:11] that here in our city No, no resident should hitch

[1:31:14] should have to go through that.

[1:31:17] The challenges that you're talking about we

[1:31:21] hear about those all the time.

[1:31:22] And we want to hear about them because the quality

[1:31:25] of life here in the city is like the most important thing.

[1:31:29] Quality of life and safety.

[1:31:31] Yes.

[1:31:31] Yes, absolutely.

[1:31:34] Commissioners any comments or questions

[1:31:37] I have one Speaker Mr. Patel.

[1:31:39] Yeah.

[1:31:40] I mean I don't know whether you specified you live on Carmel

[1:31:44] or Via Balboa but if we look at, you know, what's on the screen

[1:31:49] right now, it looks like you guys

[1:31:51] are very close to, you know, being able to implement

[1:31:55] something tonight.

[1:31:56] Even if it technically was going to be,

[1:31:58] you know, it's like because if you look at the style of homes,

[1:32:01] they're almost different than, you know, the homes that

[1:32:04] are like closer towards Alicia.

[1:32:07] I don't know if it's like a slightly different development

[1:32:10] game or whatnot, bye.

[1:32:12] I honestly think it's, you know, a matter of a couple of homes

[1:32:15] on Carmel and Balboa that just need the education

[1:32:19] and, you know, well, I don't think one month time frame was

[1:32:23] enough time because people were on vacation

[1:32:25] when people were working And it's

[1:32:28] hard to get to speak to them.

[1:32:30] Yeah.

[1:32:31] So it was kind of a give and take I

[1:32:35] know that personally, when I went in my neighborhood,

[1:32:37] you know we didn't have the opportunity

[1:32:38] to do like a mail in ballot, like members of the HOA board,

[1:32:42] including myself, had to go door to door,

[1:32:44] educate people, create flyers and use their own HOA

[1:32:48] like email system on to try to educate people

[1:32:52] On why it was important.

[1:32:54] And so, you know, I would say that, you know,

[1:32:57] if you feel like that that approach with the mail in ballot

[1:33:00] wasn't as useful, you know, you do

[1:33:03] have quite a large number of residents

[1:33:05] that did sign the petition.

[1:33:07] So I think taking a different approach

[1:33:10] if you have other residents, neighbors

[1:33:12] that are really interested, you can get those numbers up.

[1:33:15] And we're not talking like over a dozen.

[1:33:17] We're talking about just a couple

[1:33:18] of houses is really, well, how do we

[1:33:21] do that if the voting is over?

[1:33:24] No, no, you're not committed And city staff

[1:33:27] can clear me up here like you're not committed to having to only

[1:33:31] do a one month, you know, mailing ballot system where

[1:33:34] there's like a due date You yourselves

[1:33:37] can actually start the petition, gather your signatures

[1:33:40] and bring them to city hall.

[1:33:42] So that staff can.

[1:33:45] That's not correct.

[1:33:46] Is that correct You know that the petition is something

[1:33:49] that the city staff generates by way of the municipal code,

[1:33:52] but is the actual time piece only like a month

[1:33:56] what we set out for fairness?

[1:33:58] We set out a time period We were under the residents

[1:34:02] wanted quick action on this.

[1:34:04] So we set it to be a month period.

[1:34:08] If there is a direction.

[1:34:10] And we were under the impression that this was an urgent matter

[1:34:13] from the residents.

[1:34:15] So we typically have provided a 30 day period, sometimes longer.

[1:34:21] But part of the reason why it was done was

[1:34:24] do the results tonight, the next traffic Commission meeting

[1:34:28] is in September.

[1:34:30] And so that was part of the reason why 5:00 tonight,

[1:34:35] in order to do that, we kept it until the very last hour

[1:34:40] If there is desire from the traffic commission to allow

[1:34:43] for a petition process in the past

[1:34:46] and told that usually a six month period

[1:34:49] goes by before you do that.

[1:34:51] So we're not revisiting the same issue over and over again as we

[1:34:56] do with some of our other items But we had four a matter

[1:35:00] of fairness We had a deadline tonight at 5:00 to that

[1:35:05] in, though, as we've already discovered tonight,

[1:35:08] there are different permutations and combination of the way that

[1:35:11] this can be put together such that the percentage

[1:35:14] is closer to 67%.

[1:35:17] Our assistant engineer has come up

[1:35:19] with yet another interesting twist in all this

[1:35:22] that doesn't get us to 67% to includes salford

[1:35:25] but gets us to 63.

[1:35:27] Sacrifice part of Castello so eventually

[1:35:31] part of your discussions tonight when we get an opportunity

[1:35:34] to represent information, you will

[1:35:36] be deciding what you would like to recommend to City Council.

[1:35:40] And we do recognize the carmel as nine of 14.

[1:35:43] At 64%, we also received a letter

[1:35:46] from a resident of Avalon that has no interest

[1:35:48] in this program whatsoever.

[1:35:50] So i just would say that we'll do our advice as best we can.

[1:35:57] And ultimately, the Traffic commission

[1:35:58] to decide what they want to recommend to city council.

[1:36:02] OK.

[1:36:02] Thank thank you so much for your comments.

[1:36:05] Thank you.

[1:36:06] I think that concludes our public comments.

[1:36:08] Thank you.

[1:36:09] OK.

[1:36:10] So we're going to bring this back to the commission

[1:36:15] for discussion based on what we talked about tonight which staff

[1:36:22] like to reframe what we're with the potential of adding

[1:36:26] those areas into the recommendation.

[1:36:28] Yes.

[1:36:29] So what I will what.

[1:36:30] I'll give you some options here.

[1:36:31] And we might need to pull up a map

[1:36:38] And I really want to thank the resident who came up here

[1:36:39] earlier to point out that I didn't

[1:36:42] consider apparently all of the permutations and combinations.

[1:36:44] So thank you very much.

[1:36:46] So if you want, you there's a few different scenarios here.

[1:36:50] And I'll explain this So the part

[1:36:53] across from backroom park that's shown in Orange is actually

[1:36:57] called Wilkes Place So if you add it in Wilkes Place

[1:37:03] and you added an all of custom Now when you say all of Castro,

[1:37:08] is that all the way that's closer to cul de sac

[1:37:13] okay to call the section.

[1:37:15] My understanding.

[1:37:16] OK.

[1:37:16] Actually yes So that takes you all

[1:37:19] the way down to Alicia Parkway.

[1:37:21] And if you add in Castro and you add in Wilkes to the green,

[1:37:28] then you're at 71%.

[1:37:34] OK Another option, which is a strange option, as is.

[1:37:44] If you don't go all the way down to Alicia Parkway on Castro

[1:37:48] and you stop at salford, I believe,

[1:37:52] and then you add in South for you're

[1:37:55] at 63% It's my understanding why wrexham at 63%, why

[1:38:04] would that be an option It's not technically it's less than 67%.

[1:38:09] I'm just giving us some percentage.

[1:38:11] Okay.

[1:38:11] OK.

[1:38:12] That's good.

[1:38:12] 71% in or over the threshold for including all of Castro,

[1:38:15] but excluding Salford, if you include if you just go to Castro

[1:38:20] down the Salford and you make that elbow

[1:38:21] and you go around the corner to Salford 63.75%, 64% Okay.

[1:38:31] So pendens st still though, between Chi Carmen

[1:38:37] and Camberwell has a low return rate on that.

[1:38:41] And so does Vale Balboa.

[1:38:43] That was one of six for Chi Cromwell's nine of 14.

[1:38:50] So essentially.

[1:38:52] And then Hendon Street but swinging from the elbow

[1:38:56] down to Castro also had a low return right?

[1:38:59] So you're leaving something out?

[1:39:02] I no matter what you do have the opportunity Add

[1:39:04] something in if you wanted to.

[1:39:06] Right So in either case, we're creating these little islands

[1:39:16] where we're not going to be placing the permit program

[1:39:24] especially Hinden, Salford, if we don't add that

[1:39:30] in because it's 4% below where we need to be Well,

[1:39:37] I think you know, the first step is I think amongst

[1:39:40] the commissioners, are we in agreement

[1:39:42] that we are establishing a parking

[1:39:44] permit of some kind tonight ?

[1:39:46] Yes.

[1:39:47] Yes.

[1:39:47] Oh, yes.

[1:39:48] Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[1:39:49] We're I'm just.

[1:39:51] How do we join more contiguous pieces,

[1:39:54] I think, to what we're doing That's

[1:39:56] going to be a matter of professional slash,

[1:39:59] you know commissioner judgment I would like to say I would like

[1:40:04] for sure to hear it from Wilks around the corner, Christo

[1:40:10] to walk is an absolute in their i

[1:40:19] would even take it a step further

[1:40:21] and say all the costs of that way.

[1:40:23] It's just no confusion of the street itself right.

[1:40:26] Yeah So the entire piece all the way down on Christo.

[1:40:31] Sure i know it's a commissioners time.

[1:40:32] I apologize.

[1:40:33] I'm sorry, sir Is there separation

[1:40:36] between the small attended and the launch.

[1:40:37] And then we percentage is to pendens

[1:40:40] on that map that are in red.

[1:40:44] Is there a difference between the two in terms of percentages

[1:40:49] We're taking a look at the numbers right now.

[1:40:51] So respectfully, your 80% is already got through.

[1:40:58] No, no, no.

[1:41:00] This is this is a very specific election.

[1:41:03] And it has to go based on the number of residents

[1:41:07] within this election.

[1:41:09] So, folks, we're not opening this up to a question

[1:41:13] and comment situation right now So right now,

[1:41:16] let us work the numbers that we have right now.

[1:41:19] Just just give us a projection, because you don't count the.

[1:41:23] No I will say this.

[1:41:29] A no vote is considered a non returned ballot

[1:41:34] and that is can sit on the ballot

[1:41:37] If you don't return the ballot.

[1:41:39] That is considered a no vote to two.

[1:41:42] One is very I'll go if impossible or pass.

[1:41:50] No no.

[1:41:50] We have many neighborhoods that have passed this threshold

[1:41:57] To answer your question even if you looked at it, both hand

[1:42:01] in streets in separate pieces, it's less than like 37%.

[1:42:07] I want to say for either piece Okay.

[1:42:14] So commissioners let's establish what we're doing tonight.

[1:42:19] Obviously, we're establishing the green area.

[1:42:23] Yeah.

[1:42:23] Okay.

[1:42:25] We're establishing Wilks as it comes around the corner

[1:42:28] to Castro and Castro all the way to the end to Alicia, to Lisa.

[1:42:35] OK, So, so we're there in that.

[1:42:38] OK, So, so that's to, to be clear to staff.

[1:42:42] That's what we're, that's what we're established at this point

[1:42:47] to the green area plus Wilks, Christo,

[1:42:50] all the way down to Alicia.

[1:42:51] Right.

[1:42:52] So now the question is, at that point sell

[1:42:57] for it is still not an option because we're for low ten

[1:43:01] out of 30, ten out of 30.

[1:43:04] And when you add in ten out of 30, you wind up at 59%.

[1:43:08] OK So and there's nothing written in the policy

[1:43:13] for if there's unintended consequences, it's worth 4%.

[1:43:19] You know, it's worth 5%.

[1:43:21] That that's that's not in the policy So essentially

[1:43:30] and hand in the numbers don't match up there Kamal very close.

[1:43:38] But it's it's not there.

[1:43:42] So the the only recommendation that I can see that we can make.

[1:43:45] And I want to hear from the commissioners

[1:43:47] on this is what we've just stated within the guidelines

[1:43:52] that we have it's 71%.

[1:43:54] It's good.

[1:43:55] And it's contiguous in the kind of as much as I'd like to do.

[1:44:01] Carmel it's not contiguous Salford can out of 30 i

[1:44:10] do worry about it in the future.

[1:44:13] But it's not even close right?

[1:44:15] So i would say yeah, there still will And the green okay yeah

[1:44:26] make a motion.

[1:44:27] I would second that.

[1:44:28] Okay So we have a motion and a second

[1:44:31] based and state your motion 100%.

[1:44:34] The green a motion to approve permit parking,

[1:44:42] I reckon to recommend permit parking recommend.

[1:44:45] Yeah From Wilks to this is not currently permitted

[1:44:53] through Keystone to eastern Parkway

[1:44:58] and then Camberwell from Cousteau to and then

[1:45:03] and then engine green green and into the knuckle.

[1:45:10] Yeah right.

[1:45:12] And Two rooms St okay so we have a motion and a second

[1:45:18] and a second for that.

[1:45:20] And when we take this vote, folks

[1:45:22] I want you to understand this is going

[1:45:26] to be presented to the City Council

[1:45:29] for approval We make a recommendation

[1:45:32] and based on the policies and guidelines

[1:45:35] that the city prescribes to.

[1:45:37] So all that being said, I'll be asking the clerk for a vote

[1:45:42] on this motion May I?

[1:45:45] I'm way overstepping here Oh, go ahead.

[1:45:48] Can you also direct it or request the city staff come up

[1:45:50] with a comprehensive table of the different permutations

[1:45:56] and combinations to present to city council?

[1:46:00] OK.

[1:46:00] So.

[1:46:01] So please Mr. Jones, could you add that to your motion?

[1:46:04] We'll do the best we can with that.

[1:46:06] So that we can demonstrate the thought process.

[1:46:09] Someone through this is combinations Sam is going

[1:46:12] to help me with that, right?

[1:46:13] So okay, so, so we have, in addition to that motion

[1:46:17] I was like, okay, we have a second to that.

[1:46:20] So Madam clerk, if you could take the vote on that.

[1:46:24] Commissioner jones I Vice Chair Patel.

[1:46:29] I Chair Miller I motion passes unanimously.

[1:46:35] So folks that's going to go now once staff puts together

[1:46:39] that package and you'll see it on the city council agenda

[1:46:43] when this comes before them, that's going to go before them

[1:46:47] with what we've reckon mended tonight,

[1:46:50] including the table of all the different numbers

[1:46:54] that staff is going to present You know,

[1:46:58] we do have in deep on this and we crunched the numbers

[1:47:02] were folks we're on your side.

[1:47:05] We're here to help you know, when the numbers came in today.

[1:47:11] You know I wish they would have been different You know,

[1:47:14] I wish the ballots would have come in different.

[1:47:16] But this is what we have now But it is a good starting point

[1:47:20] to figure out where do we go from here So, again, thank you.

[1:47:26] Thank you so much for the comments and all the

[1:47:28] communication with us tonight.

[1:47:29] We really appreciate that you're here speaking to us Thank you.

[1:47:34] Thanks, everyone Thank you OK.

[1:47:41] That moves us to agenda item 4.2.

[1:47:47] It's the discussion of the citywide related traffic

[1:47:50] concerns and residential street traffic management policy.

[1:47:54] This was like a review of policy.

[1:47:57] 350 and I wanted to just pose the idea to the commissioners

[1:48:04] to see if they would support this idea

[1:48:08] And Commissioner Caputo could not be here tonight

[1:48:11] And he's done extensive work on trying to develop

[1:48:15] some really good process is for us to incorporate

[1:48:19] it into this policy.

[1:48:21] So i'm recommending and it's opening

[1:48:26] up discussion that we table.

[1:48:28] This item and bring it back to our September meeting

[1:48:32] when we can have Commissioner Caputo with us,

[1:48:34] when we can bring that full package

[1:48:36] together to review that policy.

[1:48:40] Yeah, I think that's fair Yeah.

[1:48:45] No I agree.

[1:48:48] Okay.

[1:48:50] So i think I I think it's nice when there's at least four.

[1:48:54] Yeah.

[1:48:55] Okay.

[1:48:55] So I think I see agreement to table.

[1:49:00] This item for the September for the September meeting

[1:49:07] and so I don't know if we need to take a vote on that.

[1:49:11] So if you wanted on that we're not get the next.

[1:49:16] That's for someone.

[1:49:17] September, September September.

[1:49:20] Yeah.

[1:49:21] I just wanted to bring it back because like I said,

[1:49:24] Commissioner Caputo had put a lot of work into this.

[1:49:27] So do we need to take a vote on tabling this item ?

[1:49:32] OK.

[1:49:32] Like the table.

[1:49:33] OK.

[1:49:34] So all those in favor of tabling agenda item 4.2

[1:49:37] say all those opposed the motion.

[1:49:40] You're going to defer.

[1:49:41] So the next, we are deferring it.

[1:49:42] Yes.

[1:49:43] Thank you so much.

[1:49:44] And I'll say thank you.

[1:49:45] Since I was here, like Boston night for the village.

[1:49:48] Yeah 6.5 hour meeting.

[1:49:50] Yes yes, yes, yes.

[1:49:54] I'm i some of us, Bill.

[1:49:56] Well, I'm always aware of the fact

[1:49:58] that you have a late council meeting

[1:50:00] and then staff still have to come to work in the morning, so.

[1:50:03] Okay.

[1:50:04] All right then.

[1:50:05] Moves us to item number five.

[1:50:06] And we move to our sheriff's department, our chief

[1:50:10] for a report Good evening, Chairman Miller and members

[1:50:14] of the traffic commission.

[1:50:16] Just want to give you a couple of little tidbits

[1:50:19] In addition to enforcement.

[1:50:21] We really believe in ongoing education with the community,

[1:50:25] and we do that through our social media through our events

[1:50:29] and through a newsletter and speaking of that newsletter,

[1:50:33] it looks like this you might have gotten digital copy,

[1:50:36] but I put one on your desks and it covers all sorts of things,

[1:50:41] and I just want to let you know it covers

[1:50:42] some traffic issues as well.

[1:50:45] Traffic, education and also importantly bike

[1:50:48] education, which is a big concern of the community.

[1:50:52] Of course I want to let you know also

[1:50:57] we have National Night Out next week.

[1:50:59] Thursday at National Night Out, we're going to have a traffic

[1:51:02] booth where will be given out.

[1:51:05] Again, more education on through our pamphlets and things

[1:51:08] like that We'll have a motor.

[1:51:09] And one of our CSOs manning that booth

[1:51:12] and they'll be talking about traffic safety e-bikes safety,

[1:51:17] and actually council gave us some money to give

[1:51:20] out helmets Councils idea.

[1:51:24] And so we partnered with a local bicycle shop

[1:51:28] who we purchased helmets through and we should

[1:51:31] be given up to close to 50.

[1:51:34] We'll have 50 helmets to give away.

[1:51:35] And we're hoping to give a lot of those away at National Night

[1:51:38] out to the kids and things like that.

[1:51:40] I think that'll be good.

[1:51:41] And I think that's a good a good gift from the city

[1:51:44] to the community We're happy about some of the parking

[1:51:52] changes that the that the city is

[1:51:54] doing, especially particularly on Laguna Hills Drive.

[1:51:57] I think that's going to help relieve some things

[1:52:00] And I just want to emphasize again,

[1:52:02] we're here to partner with the city

[1:52:04] and to partner with the community

[1:52:06] We can't keep this community, this city

[1:52:08] safe just by ourselves.

[1:52:10] We work together with the community

[1:52:13] so we rely on them for information.

[1:52:15] We rely on them for calls for service.

[1:52:19] So we encourage folks out there who have a concerns

[1:52:23] about parking or crime issues to call us

[1:52:26] and as I've said before, when folks just

[1:52:28] take to social media or something like that,

[1:52:31] we don't hear about it.

[1:52:32] We don't monitor social media and respond to events

[1:52:35] throughout the city that way.

[1:52:36] We need them to call the sheriff's department

[1:52:38] to call dispatch and we appreciate

[1:52:40] it when they do I also want to say we had just a highlight.

[1:52:43] We had an event First our motors and our CSO

[1:52:49] is continued to do a good job.

[1:52:50] Our motors are out there citing people for traffic violations

[1:52:53] and our CSO is are out there giving

[1:52:55] citations hundreds of citations for parking every month.

[1:53:00] And most of those are complaint driven and many of those

[1:53:05] are our officers being proactive, right?

[1:53:08] So for traffic file ations, we get complaints.

[1:53:12] Hey, the stop sign and we go, you know, people are running it.

[1:53:15] So we go out there and enforce it.

[1:53:16] And we get a lot of we get a lot of thanks for that.

[1:53:19] And of course, we get some complaints

[1:53:20] like, hey, you're doing too much enforcement in this area.

[1:53:23] So we balance that.

[1:53:24] And that's and that's part of that's part of the job.

[1:53:27] We had a motor the first motor, his name was Steve parsons,

[1:53:33] first Laguna Hills motor was his name was Steve Parsons.

[1:53:37] He was assigned to this city in in the late in the late 1990s.

[1:53:45] And he was on a traffic stop or going through an intersection,

[1:53:49] actually, Laguna Hills and moulton on June 24th 2000,

[1:53:55] and was struck by a vehicle killed in the line of duty.

[1:53:59] And so every year, like we did on June 24th, just last month,

[1:54:03] we do it like a memorial right?

[1:54:04] And we ride the route that he rode from Laguna Hills City Hall

[1:54:09] up and then over Laguna Hills Drive.

[1:54:12] And then we stop and park at Moulton and Laguna Hills

[1:54:17] Drive We say a few words.

[1:54:19] We have a moment of silence And we do 25 highly motivated push

[1:54:24] ups and honor of him and his family and the men and women

[1:54:29] of the Orange County Sheriff's Department

[1:54:31] who he left behind So that was a great event.

[1:54:34] We do that every year.

[1:54:35] Just want to let you know that we do that in honor of him

[1:54:37] and that's it.

[1:54:39] I'm here for any questions.

[1:54:40] Thank you.

[1:54:41] Thank you so much for that report Well, it's wonderful

[1:54:45] that you honor this officer, This way and that,

[1:54:49] you know, you don't let that that memory go away.

[1:54:52] It's it's a wonderful thing Yeah.

[1:54:57] We're going to open this up to the commissioners,

[1:55:00] or for questions for the chief.

[1:55:02] Just a good time.

[1:55:02] Yes.

[1:55:03] Yes.

[1:55:03] So do we have we have three here.

[1:55:06] So positions Mr. Patel, just a quick question.

[1:55:11] So in addition to our CSOs, I saw about the little section

[1:55:16] about the cameras.

[1:55:17] So are you recommending like, who is maybe reach out

[1:55:20] with like their own locations?

[1:55:23] Are you talking about in the newsletter?

[1:55:24] Yeah, like our emergency manager.

[1:55:27] Yeah.

[1:55:28] So if you have if you have cameras on your business

[1:55:31] or even on your home, you can partner with the sheriff's

[1:55:34] department who won't be who won't be Snoop snooping in

[1:55:37] on your business, but if a crime occurs,

[1:55:41] your camera is registered with our real time

[1:55:43] operation and center, and they will know that.

[1:55:46] And they will contact you and ask you, hey, an incident

[1:55:50] occurred at this date and time, and we believe your camera may

[1:55:53] have caught something They may we may

[1:55:57] we utilize that that footage.

[1:55:58] So it's a it's a permission thing Yeah.

[1:56:01] So it's a good.

[1:56:02] It's a good program.

[1:56:04] And then i heard that there might have been

[1:56:06] like some public comments about the flock safety cameras

[1:56:10] that we have in our community.

[1:56:13] Would you mind speaking to, you know,

[1:56:15] the effectiveness of those cameras in our community?

[1:56:17] And.

[1:56:18] Sure, yeah.

[1:56:19] We you know, there are concerns about cameras,

[1:56:21] right There's concerns that they're

[1:56:23] an infringement on people's rights and things like that.

[1:56:26] A young lady spoke last night at the council meeting expressing

[1:56:33] her concerns and some of her friend's concerns

[1:56:37] What I will say is that the flock cameras the speakers

[1:56:41] and other cameras of the city uses

[1:56:44] and that we they share with the Orange County sheriff's

[1:56:46] department have been such a help And in fact, I don't know

[1:56:52] if I've shared this with you in the past

[1:56:53] but there was there was one incident in South Laguna

[1:56:58] Hills a very violent incident.

[1:57:01] We got there and we had very violent incident.

[1:57:03] I will say I won't be specific as to what it was,

[1:57:06] but you might know what I'm talking about.

[1:57:09] We got there, I got there, and I we

[1:57:12] had no idea who the suspect was or where he was

[1:57:16] or what happened.

[1:57:17] We had a victim in a vehicle No idea about anything.

[1:57:20] About a suspect.

[1:57:22] Not even sure what type of we know.

[1:57:25] We knew what the crime was, but not even

[1:57:26] sure what it was related to.

[1:57:27] You know one of our deputies very adept at technology,

[1:57:33] utilized flock, utilized.

[1:57:36] Another camera that's part of a vehicle.

[1:57:39] And we were able to get an address

[1:57:42] on a suspect at a location.

[1:57:44] And we were able to safely apprehend

[1:57:47] him because of technology.

[1:57:49] That's one example.

[1:57:51] And there's been tons of incidents

[1:57:53] where we've used flock, the loopers to find locations

[1:57:59] on suspect and to narrow down time frames as far as when

[1:58:02] they're in the city, because our cameras are kind of set up

[1:58:05] on the exits of the city and most

[1:58:09] of the entrances of the city.

[1:58:10] So we can see when a vehicle came through,

[1:58:13] you know, if we have a crime.

[1:58:14] Right.

[1:58:14] Hey, he entered the city at this time.

[1:58:17] And left immediately after the crime.

[1:58:18] That that's possibly our vehicle you

[1:58:21] know, and possibly the plate.

[1:58:22] If we're looking for a blue Ford f-150 or something like that.

[1:58:28] Right.

[1:58:29] So they're very helpful as far as far

[1:58:32] as accountability, I will say a couple

[1:58:34] of things on that Two things.

[1:58:37] Number one, the Orange County sheriff's Department

[1:58:40] doesn't share or flag i'm sorry, it doesn't share information

[1:58:44] with federal agencies from the Orange

[1:58:47] county Sheriff's Department.

[1:58:48] Number 2, and more importantly when

[1:58:52] we make a request for information

[1:58:56] we have to give a reason We have to give our name.

[1:58:59] And we have to give a case number.

[1:59:02] Right.

[1:59:02] Whether it be a report number or an incident number or something

[1:59:06] like that.

[1:59:06] So everything is tracked.

[1:59:08] So our guys aren't doing anything,

[1:59:11] you know as you've heard in the media on nefarious.

[1:59:14] And if they do, they're prosecute it,

[1:59:16] you know, by their you know, whatever law.

[1:59:19] They've violated and by policy.

[1:59:21] So no, I definitely appreciate, you know, some of the words.

[1:59:24] I know the you know, it does fall, I

[1:59:27] believe, into the purview of, you know,

[1:59:29] the roadways of the community because the cameras are

[1:59:32] installed along our roadways.

[1:59:33] And I think it's really helpful when

[1:59:35] members of our public safety services, you know,

[1:59:39] speak to what's truthful and what's not as truthful.

[1:59:42] Yeah.

[1:59:43] Yeah I think they've I think they've

[1:59:45] been a great a great benefit for investigations after the fact.

[1:59:50] So, yeah good Appreciate those comments.

[1:59:55] I, I wish those comments would have been said last night

[1:59:59] after the one public speaker because it could have presented

[2:00:02] a different picture of what was being stated I know

[2:00:09] a lot of folks don't like the idea of cameras,

[2:00:11] but this is a great point that you're making that a crime was

[2:00:17] solved because the technology was

[2:00:20] there in regards to what's happening in our city

[2:00:28] with e-bikes.

[2:00:29] Do you see an uptick?

[2:00:32] Is it status quo?

[2:00:35] What what's happening in the city in regards to

[2:00:38] are we having more more collisions with them?

[2:00:42] What's what does that look like right now?

[2:00:44] You know, it's kind of in Laguna Hills

[2:00:46] as far as a study and look at the stats

[2:00:48] right before this meeting on e-bikes.

[2:00:50] But we're going to Hills This is kind of unique as far

[2:00:54] as the e-bike problem Aliso Viejo has a bigger

[2:00:59] e-bike problem Rancho Santa margarita does Mission

[2:01:02] Viejo, of course and I think if we had a mall,

[2:01:08] you know, across the street, if we had shops

[2:01:11] and things like that that were exciting for kids to go to,

[2:01:14] I think we would be seeing a lot more e-bikes We do see them.

[2:01:17] You know, they cross right out in front of you

[2:01:19] while you're driving and things like that.

[2:01:20] It's it's very dangerous, but we don't have in Laguna Hills

[2:01:23] the problem to the extent that our surrounding cities do.

[2:01:26] Fortunately for us right now maybe that's because

[2:01:29] of the terrain that we have.

[2:01:31] But so we are not seeing an uptick in e-bike collisions yet

[2:01:39] that may everybody's buying an e-bike.

[2:01:41] You know so that may we may start seeing that.

[2:01:44] But right now, we're not in our departments

[2:01:46] getting pretty serious on our on e-bike enforcement So we'll see.

[2:01:52] We'll see citations go up.

[2:01:54] The DEA wants to work with the sheriff's departments

[2:01:57] And then so you'll probably see some things like that

[2:02:00] in the future coming out OK.

[2:02:02] So the DEA is also getting serious about e-bikes.

[2:02:04] Thank you. you for that report, Chief.

[2:02:06] It's very good.

[2:02:07] That brings us up to our city engineer.

[2:02:10] Verbal report, Verbal report.

[2:02:15] I don't really have a actual verbal report this evening

[2:02:18] other than other than to explain that last night the city council

[2:02:26] voted to approve staff's recommendation for the village

[2:02:29] of Laguna Hills project More information is available

[2:02:34] on the online.

[2:02:35] Don't really have a whole lot to say about that, other

[2:02:39] than the fact that the department will be busy Event

[2:02:43] Stream Processing plans for grading improvement stormwater

[2:02:49] plans and we are currently, in terms of capital

[2:02:56] improvement projects.

[2:02:57] I guess I can give you a small update on that City Council

[2:03:03] voted previously to reject all bids for the residential streets

[2:03:09] projects.

[2:03:10] Capital One on one M, which was the residential resurfacing

[2:03:13] project as some of you may be aware,

[2:03:17] the city's goal has been to either a slurry sewer overlay.

[2:03:21] Every residential street in the city every six years

[2:03:25] right now due to budget constraints,

[2:03:27] plus the high price of oil.

[2:03:30] There isn't some way to accomplish that right now So

[2:03:34] the city did receive five bids based

[2:03:37] in additive bids for almost like what you just experienced

[2:03:42] tonight with trying to figure out which

[2:03:43] way to make the numbers fit.

[2:03:45] Same thing with that.

[2:03:46] But the numbers were a little bit unsatisfactory.

[2:03:49] So going back out to bid again on that to see what we can do

[2:03:53] within the budget to take care of streets

[2:03:55] within the zones and the and we are unrelated to the traffic

[2:04:03] commission.

[2:04:04] We're also working on.

[2:04:07] We received bids for five park improvement projects.

[2:04:11] And we're going through that right now

[2:04:15] And we'll be making a recommendation

[2:04:18] for that at the August 25 meeting along with Scope one.

[2:04:21] I want him now at the august 25 meeting recommending certain

[2:04:25] of what you just recommended tonight And so the next meeting

[2:04:32] for the city council is August 21 and we'll have again,

[2:04:36] a full slate of items from public works on that agenda.

[2:04:40] OK.

[2:04:40] Thank you.

[2:04:41] You.

[2:04:43] Yes and being one of us is disturbed.

[2:04:47] A time table on the parking spots there.

[2:04:53] In other in Lebanon.

[2:04:55] Okay Actually, I will say that I was out in the field

[2:05:01] as we were as our staff and our contractor was laying the lines.

[2:05:07] So we did a half a street at a time

[2:05:09] Thank you for bringing this up.

[2:05:11] And we received such an outpouring of support, people

[2:05:15] coming out of their homes So I do

[2:05:18] want to thank the traffic Commission for recommending that

[2:05:21] and Council for approving that.

[2:05:24] We had a lot of support on that.

[2:05:28] I know Sozzi is out enforcing that The parking stall thing,

[2:05:33] it seems like.

[2:05:34] And I think Captain Burke has something to say about that.

[2:05:37] Yeah, just really quick.

[2:05:38] I was talking to our CSO is asking how it was going over

[2:05:41] and be alone This is in regards to parking

[2:05:44] and they said they love the t marks

[2:05:47] and they thought that was such a great idea They've

[2:05:50] had a lot less problems with, with people parking their not

[2:05:53] seen cars, but it up to each other you

[2:05:55] know like they were and things like that.

[2:05:58] It's just seems they're still issues.

[2:06:00] But it just seems like it's gotten a lot better.

[2:06:02] So Great idea.

[2:06:04] Yeah, it was it was really exciting when that idea came up

[2:06:10] and we thought, well, we could bring

[2:06:11] some order to the aloneness, which is that's a great thing.

[2:06:15] And my understanding is we're also

[2:06:17] going to do the same on Laguna Hills Drive

[2:06:20] Yes, we are going to be painting the parking

[2:06:24] stalls on the green hills drive because it's an arterial highway

[2:06:28] rather than doing the 2020 and four gap.

[2:06:30] We're just painting 24 foot parking spaces which

[2:06:34] is that they're alternative and that will be installed

[2:06:37] soon with a work order.

[2:06:39] There was in the interest of providing

[2:06:42] potentially some relief.

[2:06:43] We wanted to open up the roadway first and then bring back

[2:06:48] the paint crew during a future street sweeping for our window

[2:06:53] where we can lay that out pretty quickly over there.

[2:06:56] And there's going to be about 85 parking spaces out there.

[2:06:59] That'll be that'll be actual tee marked out on Laguna Hills drive

[2:07:03] on the south Side.

[2:07:05] That's very good news.

[2:07:07] Very good news.

[2:07:08] OK, Commissioners mr. Jones comments is Mike Evans OK,

[2:07:13] There we go.

[2:07:14] Mr. Patel.

[2:07:14] I'm looking forward to our August 12th meeting or workshop

[2:07:20] because I think there's a lot of things that can be said about

[2:07:23] parking in this community.

[2:07:24] And so, yes, I'm looking forward to having a robust conversation

[2:07:28] about, you know, even opportunities for the city

[2:07:31] to hopefully, be able to get more permitting to get

[2:07:35] more money to fix our streets.

[2:07:37] Yeah You know, it's the talk of the town

[2:07:41] whether it's when are we getting our streets paved

[2:07:44] to where is the parking at.

[2:07:46] That is the definitely the talk and so I want to thank the staff

[2:07:51] tonight for I know it was a lot of work to get

[2:07:54] prepared for this meeting tonight.

[2:07:55] So thank you so much.

[2:07:58] Job well done.

[2:07:58] Thank you.

[2:07:59] Thank you.

[2:08:01] In our next meeting as we said, it

[2:08:03] is going to be our special meeting

[2:08:05] August 12th at 6:00 5:00.

[2:08:10] I had heard previously that you wanted at 5:30.

[2:08:13] I thought that was.

[2:08:14] But I'm not positive.

[2:08:16] I thought i didn't know.

[2:08:17] And.

[2:08:17] Vice Chair Patel, I thought you and i could imagine this.

[2:08:21] I thought you wanted to do it at 5:30, but i don't remember.

[2:08:25] No specific Quickly.

[2:08:27] I think it was over email, so maybe we can double check.

[2:08:30] OK.

[2:08:30] Definitely.

[2:08:31] Like the 5:30.

[2:08:31] Just Does that work for you?

[2:08:33] You have to get from work, right?

[2:08:35] OK.

[2:08:35] OK So, okay, it looks like 5:30 is going to be a good.

[2:08:40] So yeah, we're looking forward to that meeting

[2:08:43] And at this time, we're going to adjourn.

[2:08:45] Thank you so much, everybody And a job well done.

[2:08:49] Thank you Jay Yeah, we don't want

[2:09:04] to make it where you can't make it to the meeting on time

[2:09:08] I don't know if for forum.

[2:09:10] Yeah, you're right Yeah So we found out from mike

[2:09:18] just right before we got into.

[2:09:19] Listen to me, okay?

[2:09:21] Correct.

[2:09:23] Yeah I hope this is good.

[2:09:26] It seems like it's now, but we have some things to take

[2:09:28] care to put in a version.

[2:09:30] Oh, okay.

[2:09:32] So i thought this was a good conversation on permanent part.

[2:09:36] Yes.

[2:09:36] Yeah Yeah.

[2:09:37] So, I mean, I. I did get a little bit more

[2:09:39] heated with that, so but, you know,

[2:09:42] I just thought it was unfair that you know,

[2:09:45] the thing with you because we have i

[2:09:48] can't afford place to remain and we're

[2:09:51] you know we're just so we're more protected by the Supreme.

[2:09:59] It's super expensive.

[2:10:00] And i had to use.

[2:10:03] It's our biggest expense, but we don't.

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