[0:00] column meeting to order

[0:02] and we're going to start out by talking

[0:05] about the open space index

[0:11] yes

[0:13] that is your cue I'm just used to those

[0:17] being the queue so it's our Consultants

[0:19] are talking

[0:21] um so good good to see everyone this

[0:23] evening I know you guys have a busy

[0:24] agenda doing other things uh so we'll

[0:27] jump right into it and I'm going to hand

[0:28] it off to Katie she's got just an update

[0:31] on kind of where we are with the survey

[0:32] uh some people express interest in that

[0:34] uh on our coordination call a week or

[0:37] two ago so we're going to share with you

[0:38] where we're at today

[0:40] yeah so I put a few slides together

[0:42] they're really more so just placeholders

[0:46] for conversation

[0:48] um but give me one second I'll share my

[0:50] screen

[0:58] full screen okay

[1:01] so just a quick refresher on the

[1:04] schedule before we get into the survey

[1:05] we're in November this is actually the

[1:08] fourth time we're meeting

[1:09] um will be conducting stakeholder

[1:12] interviews intermittent

[1:14] imminently excuse me

[1:16] um and we'll talk a little bit more

[1:17] about that uh at the end of our

[1:19] presentation

[1:20] um we're also preparing for a public

[1:22] meeting coming up in a few weeks so

[1:24] that's going to be uh really useful for

[1:26] us and help uh push the survey a little

[1:29] bit more and then we're kind of wrapping

[1:32] up the inventory analysis side of things

[1:33] and we'll be moving towards uh the

[1:36] conservation land tool and assessment as

[1:39] um following the survey wrapping up as

[1:42] well as once the public meeting is

[1:44] um said and done

[1:46] so that's where we're at

[1:48] as far as our preliminary results from

[1:50] the survey we've got

[1:52] 127 results so far so not terrible

[1:56] but we've also got 117 points on the

[1:59] interactive map which is pretty good

[2:00] yeah

[2:02] um and we've also had a decent amount of

[2:04] people engaging with the like feature on

[2:07] other people's locations so I think

[2:09] that'll be some really great like

[2:11] citizen science science for us to help

[2:14] kind of direct that conservation land

[2:17] assessment tool when the time comes so

[2:20] that's kind of where we're at as far as

[2:23] um results thus far and Carrie I think

[2:26] you wanted to talk a little bit about

[2:27] promoting the survey I know you've got

[2:29] the mailer going out

[2:31] um so I don't know if you want to jump

[2:32] in on that a little bit

[2:34] sure we have a postcards that are ready

[2:40] to be nailed I think they got their

[2:42] check today for the postage down at the

[2:43] mailbox and so those should be going out

[2:46] uh to many thousands of households and

[2:50] then we still have

[2:52] um quite a few postcards left for

[2:54] distribution and we'll talk about that

[2:56] later on in the meeting

[2:58] um

[3:00] not sure

[3:03] um exactly what else you wanted me to

[3:05] cover at this point Katie nothing I just didn't I know I saw that

[3:09] promoting the survey was on the agenda

[3:12] so I didn't know if you wanted to talk

[3:13] about that now or later on yeah

[3:16] um I think it's we're gonna need to do a

[3:18] little

[3:19] um like fine-tuning in the weeds uh for

[3:23] some of that so maybe just keep forging

[3:25] ahead and I don't know

[3:29] okay that sounds good so yeah so I think

[3:31] you know

[3:32] between the postcard mailing and

[3:35] promoting the survey at our public

[3:36] meeting

[3:38] um I'm expecting a pretty significant

[3:39] uptick in survey responses

[3:44] so that brings us to our first public

[3:46] meeting

[3:47] um

[3:48] we had a discussion about this a few

[3:51] days ago maybe a week or so ago at this

[3:53] point and we decided um

[3:56] in person would probably be the best

[3:59] um strategy but we also want to

[4:01] accommodate anyone who's not comfortable

[4:04] or able to make it in person on the 15th

[4:07] so it will be at Town Hall on the 15th

[4:12] at 7 pm and our preliminary plan is just

[4:15] to go through a brief presentation of

[4:17] you know why this plan is important what

[4:20] to expect moving forward what to expect

[4:22] the results of this to be

[4:25] um touch a little bit on what we've

[4:26] heard so far from survey respondents

[4:29] um and some of the mapping that's been

[4:31] completed so far

[4:33] um so that will be a relatively brief

[4:36] presentation we'll try to keep it pretty

[4:37] short to keep people's attention and

[4:39] then we'd like the bulk of it to be

[4:41] small breakout groups

[4:44] um

[4:45] discussing this vision for open space

[4:48] will have aerial maps for each breakout

[4:50] group so we can kind of point to the map

[4:52] and Mark those up

[4:54] as needed and then um we'll kind of

[4:57] regroup at the end and share our results

[5:00] from our small groups and then send

[5:01] people on their way

[5:04] um so we're envisioning that

[5:06] presentation that is easily translatable

[5:09] to a virtual option

[5:12] um but in order for John and I and

[5:14] everyone facilitating to be really

[5:16] focused in on the conversations in

[5:18] person

[5:19] um we're gonna only have those available

[5:21] for people in the building that night

[5:24] but that being said we wanted to offer

[5:26] another option

[5:28] um

[5:28] for those who might not be comfortable

[5:30] showing up in person so that's where the

[5:33] Virtual Office hours come in the night

[5:34] afterwards CJ is creation graciously

[5:37] offered to host those right before the

[5:39] town board meeting

[5:40] um so people will be able to come and

[5:42] have a similar dialogue

[5:44] um on that evening so those are kind of

[5:46] our multi-faceted approach to our first

[5:50] public meeting and

[5:52] um John I don't know if you want to add

[5:53] anything to that or if anyone has any

[5:55] thoughts no I think you nailed it I

[5:57] think the only the odd the challenge is

[5:59] always and and we've done this enough

[6:02] where we've got a couple plan B's you

[6:04] know if we get it'd be a nice problem to

[6:06] have if we get a hundred people at the

[6:08] meeting then facilitating two groups of

[6:10] 50 I think is you know it's not going to

[6:12] be productive so in in that scenario we

[6:15] would either

[6:17] option A would be to have

[6:19] I would flow and then they'd have some

[6:21] of the steering some of your CAC members

[6:23] facilitate or we can um break into like

[6:26] almost like an open house uh kind of

[6:28] situation so we have a lot of bodies in

[6:31] the room then we'll just have to kind of

[6:32] be flexible on that be a nice problem to

[6:35] have

[6:36] um you know I think we could comfortably

[6:38] you know get up to say 40 50 people

[6:41] um that's a pretty comfortable meeting

[6:43] for Katie United facilitate if we get

[6:45] beyond that

[6:46] um you know then we'll just have to kind

[6:47] of adjust which like I said we've done

[6:49] it before it'll be fine it's just a nice

[6:51] problem to have if that happens

[6:56] so maybe now would be a good time for

[6:59] CAC members to indicate whether they can

[7:02] attend and assist

[7:05] I I can

[7:08] I'm planning on coming

[7:10] I am out of town that whole week

[7:18] I've got called in as Grandpa Duty

[7:23] here and I I interrupted you go ahead

[7:25] sorry I'm I'm just saying I'm planning

[7:27] to be there on the 15th

[7:29] yeah I've got my yeah I should be able

[7:32] to be there on the 15 000.

[7:36] I have an issue where my daughter in New

[7:39] York City has a nanny disappearing on

[7:41] them that week and I have to go help

[7:45] babysit so that's what I'll be doing in

[7:48] New York City

[7:49] it's important work too kids two kids

[7:51] duty calls four and a one-year-old

[7:54] wish me luck yeah the meeting is going

[7:57] to be way easier

[8:01] so it it's Tom Carey Karen Ed is that

[8:05] what I'm seeing okay

[8:12] sorry I was just saying I could be there

[8:14] but I don't know if you need me to be

[8:16] I don't know what how many people you're

[8:18] expecting to have at this public meeting

[8:22] we don't know either we know yeah I

[8:24] don't think we know but I think it would

[8:26] be helpful

[8:31] okay so John and Katie is that enough

[8:34] for you to work with plenty yeah yes

[8:37] thank you

[8:37] [Music]

[8:41] so

[8:43] um are you going to show the results so

[8:47] far with the

[8:49] um the survey data we have

[8:52] yes we were planning on doing like a

[8:54] yeah preliminary this is what we've

[8:56] heard thus far

[8:58] this is how many people we've heard from

[9:00] that kind of keep it pretty high level

[9:01] but yeah yeah we didn't plan on going

[9:04] through every question you know question

[9:05] one question two just being for time's

[9:08] sake but yeah I think hitting the high

[9:09] points and some of if there's any Trends

[9:12] or preliminary I don't like to draw

[9:14] preliminary conclusions at this time at

[9:15] this point but we can say where things

[9:17] seem to be heading at the current time

[9:20] um so yeah

[9:22] well with that number of uh survey

[9:24] results already I think that that's

[9:27] going to give us a pretty solid idea of

[9:30] where things are going I think so too

[9:35] looking over those uh you know what you

[9:39] have seen of the results are you by and

[9:43] large seeing a

[9:46] pro-conservation

[9:48] bias are you getting people who are

[9:50] pushing get back against this and and

[9:53] are

[9:54] not any anybody not in favor of it I

[9:58] mean we haven't gone through the data in

[10:00] any sort of significant way but yeah I'd

[10:03] say it's definitely leaning heavily

[10:05] towards pro-conservation at this point

[10:10] well that's good to hear

[10:14] oh just it might be interesting to know

[10:16] what the pushback is you know

[10:19] um prior to the meeting so we have you

[10:21] know we're not caught off guard and we

[10:23] have a little bit of

[10:24] um

[10:27] you know maybe a couple of of

[10:31] thoughts or tools or examples to bring

[10:34] up to to people

[10:36] um as as community members I mean I know

[10:38] you guys are going to see it but if you

[10:39] don't mind sharing that with us that

[10:41] would be really great yeah yeah

[10:44] absolutely and along those lines uh it

[10:47] would be helpful for those CAC members

[10:49] who can assist that night in a sense of

[10:53] the responsibilities ahead of time what

[10:56] you envision us doing I realized you

[10:58] don't know exactly how many people are

[10:59] coming but I think you you've probably

[11:02] uh done this Rodeo before so you have a

[11:04] sense of okay how do you want to use us

[11:08] um and you know what should we be

[11:10] prepared to do

[11:12] yeah we can send that along and then

[11:14] since our since we've gathered one on

[11:16] the call the meeting starts at seven

[11:18] right

[11:20] um I've got so many public meetings in

[11:22] my head if trying to think one town hall

[11:25] is gonna open and then it might make

[11:26] sense for the

[11:28] six or kd9 and the four or the five to

[11:32] huddle up beforehand and just kind of I

[11:34] mean we'll send something out in advance

[11:36] just kind of you know clip notes but it

[11:39] might make sense so how to walk just to

[11:40] make sure everyone's comfortable

[11:42] so what time town hall is going to close

[11:45] and open is going to be unlocked from

[11:47] the day these events I'm just curious I

[11:50] hear it just never closes there at the

[11:52] Town Hall it's just continually open CJ

[11:56] what do you think easy for us to meet

[11:58] ahead of time

[12:00] uh it depends on what when you were

[12:03] looking to get there uh so if you all

[12:07] wanted to meet say at I don't know 5 30

[12:09] or something like that we can just let

[12:11] you in the building the building closes

[12:13] at 4 pm every day uh Monday through

[12:16] Thursday

[12:16] I think six would probably be plenty I

[12:19] mean it's we're pretty good we can be

[12:21] set up in 10-15 minutes and then just

[12:24] going you know walking through with

[12:25] everyone kind of the plan B that'll take

[12:28] you know 15 20 minutes tops so I think

[12:30] you know six o'clock sharp is

[12:32] plenty of time

[12:35] so you're gonna have a PowerPoint

[12:38] presentation just

[12:40] that was our plan unless you guys were

[12:42] yeah mainly opposed to it no no that's

[12:45] fine

[12:46] um are we going to be able to see that a

[12:48] day or two ahead of time

[12:51] sure yeah

[12:53] great

[12:59] um how about refreshments

[13:02] I'm all for them I love refreshments

[13:08] and

[13:09] I want to take that

[13:11] on Tyson

[13:15] CJ does Town Hall have like a coffee

[13:17] maker I'm I don't mean like a single pot

[13:18] coffee maker I mean any kind of group

[13:20] facility not banquet facilities per se

[13:23] but like a large coffee maker or

[13:25] anything in town hall sometimes those

[13:26] sort of thing around there's a like a

[13:29] coffee service thing with tea and stuff

[13:32] like that in the

[13:34] guess I could characterize it perhaps as

[13:36] a break room

[13:42] so I don't know I'm not sure if that's

[13:44] what you guys are looking for but it

[13:45] makes hot water and if properly prepared

[13:48] of course coffee as well

[13:52] how about

[13:54] um something like some cider and

[13:57] little snacks

[14:00] I I know someone who's very good at

[14:03] getting donations and so I'm gonna a

[14:05] nice individual uh to see if we could

[14:08] possibly

[14:10] get some some refreshments at this event

[14:16] unless somebody else wants to do it I I

[14:19] will uh let's see what I can manage

[14:25] I could pick up some cider or whatever

[14:28] at the at the market for the before the

[14:31] Gathering

[14:33] okay so I'll I'll chat with you Tom okay

[14:36] we don't overlap

[14:38] that sounds good

[14:43] um I had a question about

[14:46] um numbers of postcards needed at this

[14:48] event just in case a few people come but

[14:51] they don't want to fill out the survey

[14:52] right then and there are we going to

[14:53] have paper copies of the survey or

[14:55] should we hand them the postcard that

[14:57] has the URL on it because we just so

[15:00] happen to have plenty

[15:04] I was looking for a full start

[15:07] I mean we could have a half a dozen a

[15:10] dozen hard copies there for people

[15:12] wanted it I don't think based on

[15:14] the pop-up event we had a lot of good

[15:16] conversations but um and then we had a

[15:19] couple people walk off with in a good

[15:20] way not want to steal it like walk off

[15:22] with a written survey but there wasn't

[15:24] that much of a demand for it most of the

[15:26] people said oh I'll look online now that

[15:28] I know

[15:29] um so I would lean towards having you

[15:31] know maybe a dozen hard copies and then

[15:33] just

[15:34] using the postcard at most

[15:37] so have maybe 50 on hand

[15:41] for postcards yeah at the most

[15:45] I think that's good because even if we

[15:48] let's say worst case scenario we ran out

[15:51] of postcards which would be a nice

[15:52] problem to have

[15:53] you could ask you can keep the last one

[15:55] and say hey just take a picture of this

[15:57] with your phone and now you've got the

[15:59] code for later

[16:01] okay and we can show the code on the

[16:03] screen Katie too and that way people

[16:05] need to

[16:06] take a shot of it with their phone they

[16:08] can yeah

[16:15] so we can bring a dozen surveys but yeah

[16:17] I think if you've got

[16:18] you know 50 postcards bring them on

[16:21] okay

[16:26] so it seems like one of the main things

[16:29] we want to get out of this meeting is uh

[16:32] locations that people think are are

[16:36] worth

[16:37] [Music]

[16:38] um

[16:39] protecting at some level

[16:42] correct and we want to inform them about

[16:44] what the process is you know

[16:47] um and it might you don't don't feel

[16:49] compelled but you know given this

[16:51] group's efforts to date it might make

[16:54] sense and it might be a nice touch if

[16:56] some if one or two with my group kind of

[16:58] talked about

[16:59] how we got to the point we're currently

[17:01] at I mean we've got a slide we can cover

[17:03] some of the history

[17:04] um but I think it always speaks better

[17:07] at the local people saying look this is

[17:08] what we've done and this is why I think

[17:09] it's important we can talk about why

[17:11] open space is important at a general

[17:13] level but in terms of Lansing you know

[17:16] how did this project come to be that'd

[17:18] be it'd be a nice anecdotal touch from

[17:20] one of your committee members but it's

[17:22] not required but I just think for those

[17:24] in attendance you know how do you get to

[17:26] this point Katie and I can cover it at a

[17:29] little higher level but you guys can be

[17:30] more personal

[17:34] so you have to commit right now but just

[17:36] think about that

[17:39] we we better get a commitment now

[17:41] because

[17:42] it just seems like we're all together

[17:45] and

[17:47] getting the commitment over emails a lot

[17:49] harder

[17:59] I recommend Tom

[18:01] foreign

[18:03] ER

[18:06] [Music]

[18:08] well I I since I am

[18:12] technically getting off of this

[18:14] committee I don't know if I'm the right

[18:16] person to do it but if nobody else wants

[18:19] to do it I can do it

[18:21] I mean I I

[18:24] hear it with you Tom if nobody else

[18:25] wants to but I just want to make sure

[18:26] everybody's given plenty of time to

[18:29] accept the opportunity

[18:32] we could work up something together if

[18:34] you if you want

[18:38] and it doesn't need to be much I mean

[18:40] Katie and I can talk about

[18:42] you know previous planning efforts and

[18:43] we'll have a slider too on some

[18:46] recommendations key ideas or key you

[18:49] know elements that have resonated with

[18:50] us so you guys don't need to be experts

[18:53] in everything that we're talking about

[18:54] and all the previous stuff even though

[18:55] you might be experts for everything but

[18:58] um you know just more again more of a

[19:02] how we got here you're not looking we're

[19:03] not looking I don't think it's necessary

[19:05] to speak to a ton of content but just

[19:06] more the the political motivation for

[19:09] this effort I think is kind of more

[19:11] important than

[19:12] um what recommendation on page 49 I'm

[19:15] not worried about that it's just more

[19:16] politically in

[19:18] community-wise how do we get here

[19:19] because not not ever not a lot of

[19:21] communities get to this point I mean

[19:22] there's there's not a lot of open space

[19:24] plans out there there's a handful but

[19:25] not many

[19:27] I totally agree John that it's very

[19:30] important for

[19:32] uh the public to hear from people in

[19:36] Lansing

[19:38] who are on the CAC so that they don't

[19:42] get some idea about this being imposed

[19:45] from the outside or you know I think

[19:47] that perception is very important that

[19:49] it you know it is a Grassroots thing and

[19:52] they need to see that

[19:55] and it's special you know whether they have reservations let's

[19:59] talk about that but they got to at least

[20:00] understand and appreciate you know where

[20:02] we're currently at which is no small

[20:04] task no small feat

[20:08] yeah I I I think uh an important message

[20:11] is that we're we're not here to uh take

[20:16] over people's properties

[20:18] or just we're just proposing what

[20:22] particular areas in Lansing are special

[20:25] and

[20:27] um we should the town should consider

[20:29] how how they might be protected without

[20:33] stomping on anybody's property rights

[20:37] foreign

[20:47] you know we don't we're not proposing

[20:50] any eminent domain or anything like that

[20:56] so should we leave it

[20:58] that you and I will do it Tom I at

[21:02] reservation I don't want to push you too

[21:04] much but maybe

[21:06] it's okay and that's somebody else wants

[21:09] to jump in

[21:12] um I'll just say I don't really want to

[21:14] do it because I don't know exactly how I

[21:16] would answer that question and the other

[21:18] reason is that I've already been um

[21:20] drafted into giving a talk the very

[21:23] evening before and I'd rather not have

[21:25] to think about preparing uh two

[21:28] statements for two late night meetings

[21:30] two evenings in a row if that's okay can

[21:33] I just you up

[21:42] um the evening before I got

[21:44] um drafted into a presentation for the

[21:46] Cayuga Bird Club about and the Ecuador

[21:49] bird trip that I went on so I didn't

[21:52] really want to do that either but they

[21:54] were desperate for people so I agreed to

[21:56] do it so I don't want to give two talks

[21:58] in a row yeah

[22:05] I I don't see this as really a talk it's

[22:08] just a few statements of what we're

[22:11] yeah yeah what we're doing

[22:14] I'm not even really sure how we did get

[22:16] here to be honest so we haven't been

[22:18] paying attention but I'd like to hear

[22:20] the answer to this question

[22:23] um well obviously I was here for this

[22:26] process but you know the long history of

[22:29] how we got here I don't feel qualified

[22:31] to talk about so I just you know there's

[22:33] so much backstory that I don't know

[22:37] well I think the short history is

[22:39] um you know we did a natural resources

[22:41] inventory for the town

[22:43] and then we did a Scenic resources

[22:46] inventory

[22:47] and

[22:49] you know anybody that's driven around

[22:52] this town realizes it's really a very

[22:55] nice place to live and uh there's a lot

[22:58] of really nice open land around here and

[23:03] most residents probably want to sort of

[23:06] keep it that way but how you know how do

[23:09] you do that this is sort of a systematic

[23:12] way of of assessing what's what's the

[23:15] most valuable properties

[23:18] or Parcels of land in Lansing I guess

[23:21] that's the way I view it

[23:24] yeah it's a statement of policy and

[23:27] priority

[23:29] could we talk a bit about uh the vision

[23:32] for Distributing

[23:35] um the poster

[23:36] and maybe a little bit more PR around

[23:39] that whether we want to try for another

[23:43] press release

[23:45] um

[23:46] maybe with a picture

[23:50] my husband read the Tompkins weekly and

[23:53] pointed out to me he's a big Avid Reader

[23:55] of local papers that we got

[23:58] um we got in page seven uh of the

[24:01] October 26 issue input on conservation

[24:04] plans soughts they put in all that

[24:07] including CJ's phone number and

[24:09] everything

[24:10] um but now I think we need another push

[24:12] for the public

[24:14] um

[24:15] and you know that some of that could

[24:17] happen as we're

[24:19] thinking about places to bring the

[24:20] postcard around town and maybe we have

[24:23] some copies of this that

[24:26] um can go in those same locations

[24:28] but what what do you normally do Katie

[24:30] and John with a poster like the one

[24:33] you're showing now

[24:36] so first I think we put it on the town

[24:38] website so that's been done

[24:41] and then John sorry I didn't mean to cut

[24:44] you off nope I was saying you go first

[24:46] I'm just actually gonna check the Tom's

[24:48] website

[24:50] and then yeah I mean we would just

[24:52] encourage you guys to put it up wherever

[24:55] communities members are

[24:58] typically going to the library's Town

[25:00] Hall obviously

[25:03] um

[25:04] any local businesses I mean

[25:07] the more places we we put at the better

[25:09] chance we have that someone happening to

[25:12] look at it I know we're all bombarded

[25:13] with information these days but

[25:17] um yeah I mean I think virtually is a

[25:19] really

[25:21] good option these days so if I think

[25:24] we've talked about

[25:25] using social media before I don't know

[25:28] if that's something the town supervisor

[25:30] wants to put on his Facebook page or

[25:33] if there's I mean we could send it maybe

[25:36] through the schools list serve

[25:40] and I want to take advantage of that I

[25:43] mean I know we've already used it for

[25:44] the survey so

[25:47] um School listeners are called if

[25:48] they're

[25:50] willing to and yes it's gone twice now

[25:54] include

[25:58] and it's uh the November 15th meeting

[26:01] was included in that right CJ

[26:03] whatever was in the bullet points of the

[26:06] three things went to the lcsd

[26:10] if we uh created another press release

[26:13] for you could you send that out to your

[26:15] venues CJ

[26:17] it's all about the meeting on the 15th

[26:22] uh sure okay

[26:25] um

[26:27] I'm gonna be out on the 10th and then

[26:29] the 11th we're closed so

[26:32] um if somebody can turn around a final

[26:33] version of that in the next

[26:35] couple few business days uh I don't see

[26:38] why not I'll do my best and

[26:42] I'm pretty swamped right now but I will

[26:44] do my best

[26:46] yeah and I'm trying to think in terms of

[26:48] you know what places in the town get the

[26:51] most foot traffic I mean the the Katie

[26:54] and I had lunch at That Pizza Place

[26:56] um you know is there a brewery or bar or

[26:58] you know social Gathering Place

[27:00] um doesn't have to be alcohol related

[27:02] um that you know any kind of places that

[27:04] could split traffic

[27:06] um you know that would be nice to put

[27:08] either an eight and a half by eleven or

[27:10] along my 17

[27:12] um in the door you know at the checkout

[27:15] you know if they're willing to do that

[27:17] and most most local places in our

[27:19] experience have been pretty friendly

[27:21] with that they'll you know put it in the

[27:22] window or something

[27:24] I just don't know the places in Lansing

[27:26] that get the most foot traffic for you

[27:28] know one for dinner or you know

[27:29] throughout the day

[27:30] in addition to the library and Town Hall

[27:32] in public places

[27:41] well the Lansing Market I think would

[27:43] get fair amount of traffic that would be

[27:46] a good spot

[27:56] Crossroads probably

[27:59] Rose Harbor that's a market Crossroads

[28:04] Morabito yeah all of those places CJ

[28:06] would be good

[28:14] so

[28:17] when would we put these up

[28:21] I think they go up at any time at any

[28:22] point in the next few days you know

[28:24] that's something that I don't think you

[28:26] need to wait until we get closer you

[28:28] know if any I think in the next three to

[28:30] five days would be fair game

[28:33] you know where what are we 12 days out

[28:36] so you know I'd say sooner the better

[28:38] yeah

[28:42] especially the brewery I mean just

[28:45] they're gonna get so this weekend let's

[28:47] check in the calendar

[28:51] yes you have one more weekend as I

[28:52] thought so yeah just

[28:54] um the next few days that would make

[28:56] sure that people on their busy days you

[28:58] know probably the 11th Saturday the 12th

[29:00] you know they would be seen

[29:03] um

[29:03] but I'd say get them out as soon as you

[29:05] can starting tomorrow

[29:19] so we were putting up

[29:22] what's on the screen right now

[29:26] to the right there

[29:29] yeah either eight and a half by eleven

[29:31] or if you can print 11 by 17 you know I

[29:34] know some Community uh

[29:36] I'm thinking that you know some of the

[29:38] window shops and stuff you guys don't

[29:40] have you know a full traditional Main

[29:42] Street so

[29:43] um you guys want to have that luxury of

[29:45] store Furniture Store Furniture

[29:46] storefront all with this in the window

[29:49] um but the idea is the same I mean you

[29:52] can get it in some of these other places

[29:55] um

[29:56] Faith Community you know again I think

[29:58] announcing it in church tends to do well

[30:01] um or community events if any of you are

[30:04] affiliated with any

[30:05] churches or you know synagogues or any

[30:08] of that stuff that tends to bring people

[30:10] a good dependence out as well if they'll

[30:11] announce at a church

[30:15] actually Momos and North Lansing might

[30:18] be another spot yeah that's a good one

[30:20] Chad

[30:23] that was almost

[30:26] it's a little restaurant yeah

[30:30] that's why I was guessing it sounds it

[30:32] sounds intriguing I like the name

[30:36] um another thought to

[30:39] uh with Karen's question about pushback

[30:41] and then Tom mentioning that the intent

[30:45] is not to steal anybody's rights or

[30:48] anything like that from a standpoint of

[30:52] landowners that's obviously going to be

[30:55] key and

[30:57] so the question I can see being asked is

[31:03] if land isn't going to be

[31:05] you know taken or you know

[31:11] if if we're not going to infringe on

[31:13] people's rights then how

[31:16] what are the mechanisms to accomplish

[31:18] the conservation

[31:20] you know for somebody that's interested

[31:22] in trying to do that yeah so to that end

[31:25] John would it make sense to kind of walk

[31:28] through uh one or two case studies on

[31:31] how that's worked in other places

[31:33] um I mean I can I can talk in

[31:34] generalities all day long and that I

[31:36] think that would be valuable but it

[31:38] might be more valuable to say you know

[31:39] here are some examples

[31:41] um you know the re just for this group

[31:44] um I mean the easy scenario in a general

[31:47] senses you know there it doesn't happen

[31:50] often but if there's been a handful of

[31:51] times where

[31:53] concerned property owner A or B really

[31:56] cares about open space or Community

[31:58] character or whatever the motivation

[31:59] might be you know we'll come to a

[32:01] municipality and say Hey you know would

[32:03] you support uh preserving my land but

[32:06] it's it's not prime soils it's not

[32:09] Scenic it doesn't really you know it

[32:11] doesn't have all lands not created equal

[32:12] when it comes to open space preservation

[32:14] so this is one of those scenarios where

[32:16] this document will guide that decision

[32:19] you know if if a landowner wants to do

[32:23] preservation for his or hers his or her

[32:25] own goals

[32:28] um this will help the town decide

[32:29] whether they want to try to be involved

[32:30] with that or not

[32:32] okay and and like if say a property

[32:36] owner's

[32:37] property came up as something that a

[32:40] number of people saw and thought was

[32:43] worth keeping

[32:45] then how do you approach them you know

[32:49] if they're you know

[32:52] maybe they're mildly interested in

[32:55] conserving it or they think they're

[32:56] already doing what they need or should

[32:58] be doing to conserve it

[33:00] that you

[33:02] then it basically just kind of

[33:04] sits there and if it's already open and

[33:06] they're maintaining it as open space

[33:09] then we're good yeah there's you know

[33:12] there's funding programs out there as

[33:14] well so there's scenario one you know

[33:16] there's there's open space preservation

[33:18] funding through Albany

[33:20] um some land trust but mostly through

[33:22] Albany uh Farmland preservation and

[33:26] if the pro if this town is interested in

[33:28] pursuing that what are the top 10 I'm

[33:31] making that up because you know going

[33:32] back to David Letterman what are the top

[33:34] 10 lists for open space in the town

[33:37] um you know yeah finite dollars finite

[33:39] cracks at this grant you want to put

[33:41] your best foot forward

[33:43] um so that property owner you mentioned

[33:45] John is if his or her property is 20th

[33:48] that's a different conversation than if

[33:49] his or her property was second on that

[33:52] list you know so I think John John just

[33:56] I just want to clarify too it was my

[33:58] understanding that we would be much

[34:01] um

[34:03] higher more highly rated and competitive

[34:05] for these types of Grants if we have the

[34:09] index and open space plan in place

[34:11] rather than having it I mean that that

[34:13] kind of comes back to the whole question

[34:15] of what brought us here you know it's sort of circular but I think it's

[34:19] an important point to if it if it's true

[34:22] which I think it is

[34:25] um that we would be more competitive to

[34:27] have if we had a plan in place 100 I

[34:30] mean it comes down you know Grant

[34:32] acquisition is a lot of it comes down to

[34:34] readiness

[34:36] and this would put you I think in the

[34:38] best spot in terms of Readiness

[34:41] um we've got to get into some other

[34:43] Readiness factors indicators that we

[34:46] haven't Katie and I haven't gotten into

[34:47] yet but that will go into this document

[34:50] but you know once this document is done

[34:51] and the process is completed you'll be

[34:55] in great shape for funding applications

[34:57] going forward regardless of the program

[34:59] might be State might be Federal like the

[35:01] environmental it might be Farmland you

[35:04] know these these the funding sources

[35:06] change from year to year in terms of and

[35:09] sometimes there's more than one

[35:11] um so yes I think it speaks this project

[35:13] will speak to readiness

[35:15] yeah and that's important I think that's

[35:17] an one of the important

[35:19] um talking points that we need to keep

[35:22] coming back to well why are you doing

[35:24] this why are you spending our tax money

[35:27] which is you know we got a grant for

[35:29] this first of all so that question may

[35:31] come up about why are you using tax dollars to

[35:34] do something I don't want done

[35:37] um but also

[35:40] um

[35:42] the town of Lansing you know there are

[35:44] parts of it that are uh people who are

[35:47] traditionally not very much in favor of

[35:50] planning and this is a whole different

[35:52] way of thinking about things it's a very

[35:54] logical step-wise process and you know I

[35:58] think we want to

[36:00] talk about it from a space of

[36:03] responsibility and

[36:06] acknowledgment of a broad base of input

[36:11] and comment if Comet are justification

[36:14] from a place of strength I would really

[36:16] recommend against leading with the you

[36:20] know

[36:21] placate the fears

[36:23] you know I think I think that makes us

[36:25] look weak

[36:28] I mean we're anticipating that there are

[36:30] going to be fears but I would not lead

[36:32] with that at all

[36:33] foreign

[36:35] just be prepared when you get it this is

[36:38] the idea yep

[36:43] because if you don't have answers to

[36:45] those questions when they're asked then

[36:46] that doesn't look good either

[36:48] yeah

[36:51] I mean would it make sense

[36:54] oh sorry go ahead John no this is going

[36:56] to say it sounds like an you know we've

[36:58] done this with other projects as well

[37:00] not just open space you know talk about

[37:02] what are our goals or hopes for the

[37:05] project and then what this project does

[37:07] not

[37:08] you know and this this project is you

[37:10] know not a land grab uh per se you know

[37:13] that's it's it's um

[37:16] but if but to Karen's Point here's all

[37:19] this is we're starting from here's the

[37:21] goals here's the positive here's why

[37:23] this makes sense environmentally

[37:24] Community character I mean all the

[37:26] things that open space does for Lansing

[37:28] you know

[37:29] staying that strongly proudly in the

[37:33] beginning I think Karen spot on

[37:37] yeah and along those lines it might be

[37:39] nice uh in the press release to have a a

[37:42] quote from you John Fleming something

[37:45] about

[37:46] maybe I'll call you up

[37:52] I think it's it's good to normalize it

[38:02] so the list that we've now brainstormed

[38:05] for this public meeting number one is

[38:08] uh and the places it can go uh similar

[38:11] to the places where we could put the

[38:13] post extra postcards so we're kind of

[38:16] dealing with that question

[38:18] um but we do need some worker beavers to

[38:21] get the poster and the postcards to

[38:23] these different locations

[38:26] um

[38:27] and I'm wondering if anybody's willing I

[38:30] have a list

[38:32] um that I ran by Tom today of businesses

[38:35] churches

[38:37] um Library Town Hall village of Lansing

[38:39] all sorts of places and is there anybody

[38:42] who

[38:44] wants to make a go of you know maybe

[38:47] looking at the list and splitting it up

[38:49] I can do some of the locations but I

[38:52] can't do all of them I think Tom you

[38:54] were willing to do some also

[38:56] yeah I I think we should peer down the

[38:59] list some yeah

[39:04] quite a few but whoever takes it on

[39:07] maybe could be in charge of paring it

[39:09] down and

[39:11] uh just organizing

[39:13] drop-offs and also maybe organizing how

[39:16] to get uh color copies of the of the

[39:19] poster

[39:22] are you not providing uh copies and

[39:25] posters

[39:27] or not you but I mean the town found in

[39:30] the town do that CJ

[39:34] what's what are you guys looking for

[39:35] copies of the posters

[39:38] yeah that you had a stack of them

[39:41] maybe I was thinking about the postcards

[39:43] not the poster you don't have posters

[39:46] yet but you do have postcards

[39:50] there's one poster hanging in town hall

[39:52] on the cork board this one that you see

[39:53] right here you're invited

[39:57] can we get more printed off

[40:00] I guess that's maybe I got myself

[40:03] confused because I was looking at the

[40:04] poster but do you mean you want us to

[40:06] distribute the postcards right the ones

[40:09] you already have a surplus of and and

[40:11] the posters since we're gonna some of

[40:13] the places are gonna overlap

[40:22] so I'm just wondering if there's

[40:24] somebody who wants to kind of take that

[40:25] on

[40:28] see in the next week if they can get the

[40:31] postcards dropped off and and some of

[40:34] the posters put up

[40:36] so so are the posters printed and we

[40:38] just picked up picked up and distribute

[40:40] them or do we have to print them

[40:43] they they have yet to be printed as far

[40:45] as I know I'm pretty sure there's just

[40:47] one copy at the town I don't think I have access to a

[40:53] I mean I could maybe access the one at

[40:55] the Cornell library but I don't think I

[40:57] really had I don't know if that's even

[40:59] ethical but um

[41:02] CJ can can somebody stop by the town

[41:06] hall and print a bunch up

[41:10] uh so we can probably get those printed

[41:14] on Monday uh how many copies

[41:19] 40.

[41:22] okay

[41:25] and you have a new one to pick them up

[41:27] on Monday

[41:31] Todd are you volunteering to do this

[41:35] yeah I'd be happy to help out with this

[41:38] but we kind of need to divvy up where

[41:39] the where were each Distributing these

[41:43] things maybe I could show my screen

[41:45] because I have

[41:47] uh some other locations

[41:51] um you know uh what we'll do is I'll

[41:53] just print some first thing on Monday

[41:56] after our department meeting and put

[41:59] them in the uh

[42:01] we'll put them in the vestibule and

[42:03] they'll just say CAC public meeting

[42:06] flyers on it and then people can just

[42:08] grab however many they want out of the

[42:10] pile that sounds good

[42:14] that would really be great and I have

[42:18] got an Excel spreadsheet started

[42:22] with some of these locations obviously I

[42:25] haven't added the ones that we came up

[42:27] with tonight and then the bunch of

[42:28] businesses

[42:30] from the Lansing

[42:32] um .com website so yeah and you've got

[42:35] permission at all these locations no no

[42:38] just just pulled the list together today

[42:40] after

[42:41] um brainstorming actually with CJ

[42:44] because I didn't know this list existed

[42:45] until today but that's ones that are on

[42:48] the website and then these are ones that

[42:50] I came up with and then we can add uh

[42:52] the ones you know like the Ridge and

[42:54] things like that

[42:56] um that we came up with

[42:57] um tonight

[42:59] almost

[43:03] um so I I'm willing to add to it and

[43:06] then send it to whoever

[43:09] um might be willing to do some

[43:11] coordinating maybe two it's a two-person

[43:13] job

[43:15] um

[43:19] and I have all the postcards at my house

[43:22] it's two large boxes so I think it's a

[43:25] question of posters and postcards

[43:28] because they have different information

[43:29] on them

[43:32] so you're going to want the poster and

[43:35] the postcards at the same locations I

[43:37] think that would be great unless that

[43:40] might be if we're gonna pick up the

[43:41] posters at Town Hall maybe if the

[43:43] postcards could be there

[43:45] we can drop the postcards off of town

[43:48] hall

[43:49] yeah anytime you can just put them in

[43:51] the vestibule and put a note on them and

[43:53] then anyone can go in anytime those

[43:54] doors are always open the exterior yeah

[43:57] that would be awesome and then it's just

[43:59] a question of

[44:01] figuring out okay who's who's going to

[44:03] take what

[44:05] um

[44:06] is that where you're going to have the

[44:07] posters CJ and the vestibule you got it

[44:10] we'll just put it all you know uh

[44:12] whatever comes first if the postcards

[44:14] show up we'll just put the Flyers with

[44:16] them and if the Flyers are out first and

[44:18] then you bring the postcards on Monday

[44:19] morning or sometime they can just all be

[44:22] together in a little corner there no one

[44:24] will

[44:25] hopefully no one will bother them I

[44:26] doubt if somebody will be monkeying with

[44:28] them

[44:30] well if someone takes them and

[44:32] distributes them then we're golden

[44:33] okay great

[44:39] yeah well I could certainly distribute

[44:40] some of them to some of those business

[44:42] factors that the last one which is the

[44:44] dentist I have an appointment on on

[44:45] Tuesday so I can easily take up there

[44:48] that'd be awesome

[44:51] well

[44:51] [Music]

[44:53] um I I'm happy to forward uh fix up this

[44:57] Excel spreadsheet and send it out and

[45:00] there are 1700 extra postcards to work

[45:03] with so we're just flush with postcards

[45:05] another

[45:06] untapped resource is the school system

[45:09] and

[45:11] um it would be fabulous if somebody had

[45:15] a contact at the school and we could

[45:18] figure out a way to get science teachers

[45:19] to hand these postcards to their kids

[45:22] because we don't have I don't think any

[45:25] respondents so far who are real

[45:27] youngsters uh at least Katie you had

[45:29] said

[45:30] to your knowledge there really were no

[45:32] Youth and be so great

[45:35] um

[45:37] someone's got a contact

[45:39] UM

[45:40] lcsd

[45:42] well my wife's the seventh grade biology

[45:44] teacher so I can that might be too young

[45:47] for youth but I can ask her

[45:49] no it's not too young okay

[45:52] you can put her in her office but she

[45:54] might know who in the high school would

[45:56] be also receptive

[45:59] there you go that's my distribution I

[46:01] got my my chaos that's great

[46:03] that would be great

[46:05] so Todd are are you able to get them

[46:08] from the town hall for her or I can get

[46:11] them from the town hall I can also do

[46:12] the Methodist Church that's I have easy

[46:15] access to that

[46:17] um and I don't mind doing what I really

[46:20] don't want to do is I don't want to be

[46:21] running to all the ends of Tompkins

[46:24] County to just to deliver my if I can

[46:26] have a clump that's kind of I think

[46:28] that's what we all want right if we want

[46:30] to have like okay

[46:31] I can make all these stops in 20 minutes

[46:34] or something

[46:35] awesome but yeah if you post that I'll sign up for the ones that I think

[46:40] are the easiest for me to access no the

[46:43] library the school

[46:46] the church I don't know maybe we can

[46:48] start there

[46:49] Library School Church okay and I think

[46:52] what we can do is if we have two people

[46:54] who want to do the same place we just

[46:56] will do like leg wrestling to see who

[46:58] gets to to do that one

[47:01] all right

[47:05] and I'm assuming a lot of these places

[47:07] don't know where we have this list that

[47:09] they're on right so it's you're kind of

[47:12] it's going to be a cold call there

[47:14] to see if they're willing

[47:16] it'll be based on your good looks John

[47:19] so I think I think we're in

[47:24] trouble

[47:28] awesome

[47:30] this is really

[47:32] a fabulous Blitz here

[47:38] so Carrie you're going to send out the

[47:40] list

[47:42] and people are gonna

[47:44] mark

[47:46] where they're going or are we gonna

[47:49] try and post a list uh right where the

[47:53] rate in the vestibule and people can

[47:55] mark

[47:57] um where they're going how are we going

[47:59] to do this I think Robin suggested uh

[48:02] Google Docs

[48:04] yeah not everybody is always able to get

[48:07] into the Google Docs

[48:09] um

[48:11] I realized probably don't have time to

[48:14] go through it here but

[48:16] um yeah I'm just suggesting that we not

[48:18] get into the specifics right now just

[48:21] looking at the time of who's going to

[48:22] drive what business

[48:26] why don't we include the uh a list with

[48:30] that we put in the vestibule and then

[48:32] when people go to pick things up they

[48:35] can see who's already covered what

[48:39] okay I think we need one person to

[48:42] Shepherd it it sounds like Todd's

[48:44] willing to do a certain number of things

[48:46] I put his name on those is there anybody

[48:49] who can kind of Shepherd the whole thing

[48:53] um

[48:54] so that we we have the bases covered and

[48:57] they can make sure that pile of

[49:00] postcards is decreasing and the pile of

[49:02] posters is decreasing

[49:07] because I think without a champion it

[49:09] could languish

[49:17] I don't have any time until Wednesday

[49:20] Thursday Friday of next week

[49:22] as far as

[49:24] what I have free

[49:32] I am likely out of town from Tuesday to

[49:36] Friday or Saturday next week

[49:42] okay why don't we find out who the

[49:43] people are that are going to distribute

[49:45] and then that group can get together a

[49:46] couple of the plan of how they're going

[49:48] to

[49:49] um organize themselves I think the idea

[49:51] of when you've put them out at certain

[49:54] places

[49:55] put a note in the box that says these

[49:57] places are covered so nobody has to

[49:58] recover do them we can have it we can

[50:00] have the sheet there

[50:02] something like that but but yeah I think

[50:05] for the bigger group if there's only

[50:07] like maybe four of us that do it let's

[50:08] have those four people organize

[50:10] themselves

[50:11] okay so could that be you Todd and Ed

[50:15] and John even John I know you're not

[50:17] good till next week at the end of the

[50:19] week but that's okay I think it'd be

[50:21] perfect I think Ed would be perfect yes

[50:25] I seconded

[50:29] okay and we don't we don't have to go to

[50:33] all of these places

[50:34] that's right there's a list of 50 I mean

[50:37] I think that's Overkill I'll send it out

[50:40] to everybody we we will uh I'll send you

[50:43] the Excel spreadsheet and then uh John

[50:46] and Ed can keep adding people's names as

[50:50] they volunteer when they see it um and

[50:52] otherwise they'll just make sure that uh that the cards and the posters

[50:57] get where they need to and meanwhile it

[50:59] will all end up in the vestibule

[51:01] um so that everybody has access and I

[51:03] think you'll be able to all be there by

[51:05] the postcards can be there by uh

[51:07] tomorrow

[51:08] foreign

[51:11] and hopefully we're gonna get a postcard

[51:14] in the mail

[51:15] for the next day or two

[51:17] yes

[51:20] YMCA Robin awesome what what if we don't

[51:25] uh

[51:27] if we don't get a postcard in the mail

[51:29] yeah I mean that's that's really our

[51:32] main way of communicating with this town

[51:34] right now we are well uh if we don't get

[51:39] it tomorrow or Saturday we'll get it

[51:41] Monday

[51:45] yeah they'll still have eight days so

[51:48] okay here let me know when you drop them

[51:50] off tomorrow because I might be able to

[51:51] do some tomorrow and some on Monday

[51:53] okay great it'll be

[51:56] um by 10 o'clock AM

[52:11] okay should we move on to the

[52:14] stakeholder interviews did I just ask

[52:17] since we're we had left off with Katie

[52:19] and uh John Steinmetz on the office

[52:24] hours

[52:25] for CJ we didn't quite cover that that's

[52:28] going to be on the 16th

[52:30] [Music]

[52:31] um

[52:32] is did I did I read properly that you

[52:36] had written in the chat Todd that you're

[52:39] going to be available on the 16th for

[52:42] the office hours with CJ or yeah it

[52:45] sounded like we had we don't know how

[52:46] many people are going to be there

[52:48] I would hate to have more CAC people

[52:50] show up than actual participants so if that if uh John or Darcy or Katie can

[52:58] um

[52:58] send me an email and say hey look we've

[53:01] got a lot of people I'll just jump down

[53:02] there I'm

[53:04] so so that's the 15th that's Tuesday

[53:07] that's right but then Wednesday at 5 30.

[53:10] the 16th and that's office hours with CJ

[53:14] yeah

[53:15] just check 15th

[53:20] it'd be it should be a Tuesday

[53:23] and Wednesday so we have a we have quite

[53:26] a few CAC members who said they could do

[53:28] the Tuesday thing Wednesday I think we

[53:31] should have at least one CAC member

[53:33] represent

[53:34] along with CJ

[53:37] um and I can't remember whether Katie or

[53:39] John Steinmetz can um come but I know

[53:44] you know just to have CJ there uh

[53:46] without a CAC person it seems a little

[53:49] bit

[53:49] um Wednesday actually works better for

[53:51] me than Tuesday

[53:53] you want to join CJ office hours is that

[53:57] what you were saying you needed somebody

[53:58] for I think it would be great okay

[54:02] CJ I'll join you on Wednesday the 15th

[54:04] send us a reminder so I get it on my

[54:06] calendar

[54:08] yeah Carrie we can't we can't help out

[54:11] we've got a open house in Tonawanda that

[54:13] night okay all right that's clear

[54:17] I'm just gonna pop it right into our

[54:19] little chat here

[54:26] and it looks like Robin uh said in the

[54:28] chat she could switch to Wednesday

[54:31] um all depends how many people we think

[54:34] we need for office hours for that I

[54:37] thought on on the 16th

[54:41] do you have a preference CJ

[54:44] uh no I've honestly thought that I was

[54:47] just doing it by myself so yeah you

[54:49] prefer Robin admit it

[54:51] I don't know I don't have any horse in

[54:54] this race

[55:00] sorry CJ go ahead no I just I can't do

[55:02] four night meetings in a row that's a

[55:04] personal policy so um so that's kind of

[55:07] where I'm at I don't want to do three

[55:08] things

[55:15] might be more of us there are the public

[55:18] and I I don't know if you'd rather have

[55:20] me there on Wednesday or or Tuesday but

[55:22] you don't get both so I mean welcome

[55:25] yeah John feel free to correct me if I'm

[55:28] wrong but I think we in person is

[55:31] probably the more important

[55:34] event to have CAC members because we're

[55:36] going to be physically breaking up

[55:38] into groups

[55:40] I think I think you know one on the any

[55:43] kind of virtual call is fine I mean if

[55:45] you if you had two plus CJ that wouldn't

[55:47] be the end of the world either

[55:49] um but I think out of the two I think

[55:50] the in person would be more important

[55:53] okay

[55:55] great so we want you

[55:57] on the 15th Robin

[55:59] okay

[56:02] we have a white attendance Robin you can

[56:04] just talk about your bird presentation

[56:05] from the late before you need to do it

[56:07] twice

[56:09] still be rehearsed from the night before

[56:12] don't confuse her

[56:16] sorry for the bunny trail but I think

[56:18] it's great to get the bases covered

[56:20] and uh so now back to stakeholder

[56:24] meetings Katie thanks okay

[56:27] yeah so we'll just take like five more

[56:28] minutes of your time because I know

[56:30] you've got a lot on your plate tonight

[56:31] so

[56:32] um we have reached out to stakeholders

[56:35] we reached out starting mid-october

[56:38] um to the individuals that we identified

[56:41] within the four groups which are

[56:42] agriculture local business

[56:45] um environmental and local agencies and

[56:48] reached out about setting up separate

[56:50] meetings we didn't get a lot of feedback

[56:53] reached out again still really haven't

[56:55] heard back and so what John and I um in

[56:58] conversation with

[56:59] um a few CAC members were proposed to do

[57:03] and got signed off from CJ and and the

[57:06] crew is to have kind of more of an open

[57:08] house style format to maximize the

[57:11] amount of time that we have available

[57:15] for people to speak with us so the idea

[57:17] is that we'll have

[57:19] a four-hour session and from the late

[57:21] afternoon into the evening on

[57:24] Tuesday November 8th which is coming up

[57:27] shortly and then

[57:30] um more of a morning afternoon session

[57:32] on Wednesday

[57:35] um from ten to one so we reached out

[57:38] about that to all of our stakeholders

[57:40] there's about

[57:42] just a little under 30 of them in total

[57:46] um and we still have only heard from

[57:49] three people so

[57:51] um at this point I think

[57:53] um

[57:55] this is we could do some help with

[57:58] having people reach out via phone I

[58:02] think if someone hears from someone they

[58:04] know personally it might help

[58:06] um

[58:07] get a response from them

[58:09] um John I don't know if you want to add

[58:10] anything

[58:12] no it's it's um

[58:15] yeah any any traction you can help us

[58:17] would be good you know and initially we

[58:20] had talked about and worked more is fine

[58:22] but we you know we each typically figure

[58:24] well if we can talk to four to six

[58:25] people that'd be great

[58:27] um you know four became 30 which means

[58:28] focus groups which is fine but when we

[58:30] start to go from Individual calls to

[58:32] groups and we need your help because you

[58:35] know right now at least in Lansing we're

[58:36] having a hard time getting groups set up

[58:39] um you know so any advice you can give

[58:42] us would be helpful on this one

[58:50] can can you send us a list of

[58:54] the stakeholders and who has

[58:57] committed and who hasn't

[58:59] yeah so I was going to suggest

[59:02] um that I can send out a list of who

[59:04] hasn't responded and if people want to

[59:06] take one or two of those people just to

[59:08] give them a call if you know them

[59:09] personally great

[59:12] um and then uh we'll do the best we can

[59:15] to continue to try to reach out to

[59:17] people in advance of next week so that

[59:19] we can kind of maximize participation

[59:20] but yeah I can send that out Tom and

[59:23] then I don't know sounds like Google

[59:26] Docs isn't the right way to go

[59:29] if we just want to do a via email chain

[59:31] that's fine

[59:33] um

[59:34] and then we can just kind of go from

[59:35] there

[59:36] and can you put the dates and times of

[59:39] those two sessions right with that so

[59:41] yep

[59:43] thank you

[59:45] and more flexible I mean and a little

[59:47] desperate at this point so if it's a

[59:50] situation where you know Tom you talk to

[59:52] someone and he or she says well I'm

[59:54] really not comfortable talking in a

[59:56] group if someone would call me I'd be

[59:58] happy with a conversation so I mean if

[1:00:02] Katie has to do the you know not has to

[1:00:04] if Katie does the people in the room and

[1:00:06] I need to make calls during that time

[1:00:07] period that's fine we just don't want to

[1:00:09] be calling 30 people if we can help it

[1:00:11] that's not really an efficient sort of

[1:00:12] time

[1:00:13] um but right now we just want to have

[1:00:15] some conversations so

[1:00:17] um bikers can't be choosers so if

[1:00:19] there's one or two people that that it's

[1:00:21] just better for me to call them that's

[1:00:23] fine too I can't call 30 but I can speak

[1:00:25] for one or two if we can get a good

[1:00:28] portion of 30 to join us during these

[1:00:30] open house office hours that would be

[1:00:32] really helpful so you know any however

[1:00:35] we got to reach out to these people

[1:00:37] we're happy to do it but if you can kind

[1:00:39] of motivate people to join us next 2010

[1:00:42] Wednesday Thursday I don't want to say

[1:00:43] the wrong thing Katie

[1:00:46] that'd be great okay I will I will send

[1:00:51] a note like I said I would but I just

[1:00:53] was waiting to kind of get the go ahead

[1:00:55] on this to to Hillary Lambert and to gay

[1:00:59] Nicholson and you know if you can let me

[1:01:01] know who else is on the Environmental

[1:01:06] stakeholder group I can do that I'm

[1:01:09] sorry I think we should pull up the list

[1:01:11] now because this is this is next Tuesday

[1:01:14] and Wednesday

[1:01:16] and so we although they can have those

[1:01:19] conversations later

[1:01:22] I mean it could happen

[1:01:24] aren't you trying to get them together

[1:01:26] on those days if possible if possible

[1:01:29] it's always nice to do the stakeholder

[1:01:32] stuff before the first public meeting

[1:01:35] um at least some of them it just kind of

[1:01:36] helps us understand some of the hot

[1:01:38] button issues and it's not uncommon then

[1:01:41] to have some of those triple later into

[1:01:42] the process but yeah we could have some

[1:01:45] um

[1:01:46] pick a date and have a conversation you

[1:01:48] know ideally next week that would be

[1:01:50] great with some of these folks doesn't

[1:01:51] have to be all of them but hopefully

[1:01:52] some of them I mean is it possible just

[1:01:55] to pop up the list and yeah let me pop

[1:01:57] up the list and then if people want to

[1:01:59] just throw in the chat or

[1:02:03] um

[1:02:05] just let me know who they want to reach

[1:02:07] out to that'd be great I mean because

[1:02:08] you've been you've been nudging without

[1:02:10] much success and we we need to help you

[1:02:13] now okay so that's the can you see that

[1:02:17] yeah okay great so that's the list

[1:02:19] breaking up broken out by Focus Group

[1:02:25] so have you heard

[1:02:27] these are all people who have yet to

[1:02:29] respond

[1:02:31] so I I could ping Andy Zepp okay great

[1:02:35] okay and I will all right let me write

[1:02:38] this down Jody and Katrina Roger

[1:02:43] all of them

[1:02:45] um Candace is

[1:02:47] had covered for the last three weeks so

[1:02:50] I doubt that she's gonna

[1:02:56] Jody

[1:02:59] Katrina

[1:03:00] [Music]

[1:03:08] okay and would you do me I'm I'm really

[1:03:11] sorry to ask for this but I'm on my iPad

[1:03:14] and I can't see the office hours can you

[1:03:17] just tell me again when they are

[1:03:19] yeah so they're I could shoot you an

[1:03:22] email too Karen but they're

[1:03:24] um Tuesday the 8th from three to seven

[1:03:28] and Wednesday the 9th from 10 to 1.

[1:03:35] and we're asking people to show up on

[1:03:37] the hour so we're gonna have that whole

[1:03:40] session open but ideally we'll I mean

[1:03:42] we'll we'll talk to anyone who shows up

[1:03:44] at any time obviously but ideally

[1:03:46] someone would show up at the top of the hour and then what we

[1:03:50] will talk to whoever's there for that

[1:03:52] hour

[1:03:54] yeah I mean I I think that you know

[1:03:58] most of these people

[1:04:00] are really just sick and tired of being

[1:04:03] yelled at by anti-environmentalists and

[1:04:05] they will avoid a sort of a free-for-all

[1:04:09] with people that they are not on the

[1:04:12] same team with

[1:04:14] um I certainly wouldn't want to do that

[1:04:17] myself

[1:04:19] um and I think they're just very likely

[1:04:21] either going to want to all be in the

[1:04:22] same room together or talk one-on-one

[1:04:27] um

[1:04:27] I know that it's it's that's that's not

[1:04:31] what you want to hear but I think this

[1:04:32] is what we were trying to avoid in the

[1:04:34] first place by sort of uh

[1:04:37] having these different these these

[1:04:39] groups yeah and I yeah I get that Karen

[1:04:42] and I I understand completely I think

[1:04:44] it's just been it's been a challenge for

[1:04:46] us to

[1:04:47] just coordinate quite frankly so I think

[1:04:49] we're just trying to talk to people as

[1:04:52] soon as we can in the most efficient way

[1:04:54] possible

[1:04:55] if someone wants to have that one-on-one

[1:04:58] conversation

[1:04:59] um we can make that happen

[1:05:00] well that's that's the thing you know

[1:05:02] that that I'm offering too and I think I

[1:05:04] did mention this before is that if you

[1:05:06] have that list of questions I would be

[1:05:10] understanding that you have just got a

[1:05:12] ton of stuff on your plate I could have

[1:05:14] these one-on-one conversations if I had

[1:05:16] the consistent

[1:05:19] prompts

[1:05:20] if you want to call it

[1:05:22] um that that would guide in the

[1:05:25] information that you're trying to

[1:05:26] collect so I mean that's

[1:05:28] okay yeah yes that's what I can offer

[1:05:33] so let's and Karen feel free to chime in

[1:05:37] and just say forget plan a but plan a

[1:05:40] um gaming I don't have a problem if you

[1:05:43] can talk to those folks in the next

[1:05:44] couple days if we can designate one of

[1:05:47] those times to those folks

[1:05:49] you know if we needed to you know we

[1:05:51] could say look it we're gonna

[1:05:53] the first time slot on whatever day is

[1:05:56] just from environmental folks that's

[1:05:58] easy if we could get all them to say you

[1:06:00] know

[1:06:02] day one or day two is better for most of

[1:06:04] us we'll take it you know and if that

[1:06:07] doesn't work then if um having you kind

[1:06:09] of reach out to them

[1:06:11] one-on-one or you know one on two or

[1:06:13] whatever the case may be we'll take you

[1:06:15] up on that

[1:06:17] they can commit to not all six of them

[1:06:20] but if we can get a handful of them to

[1:06:22] commit to a time we'll just set aside

[1:06:24] that hour for them

[1:06:26] yeah I think that's probably like

[1:06:28] herding cats if you can't even get them

[1:06:30] to answer period to try to get them to

[1:06:32] all be you know six of them agree on one

[1:06:36] or two hours

[1:06:37] hey yeah

[1:06:41] I can ask but I just think it's an it's

[1:06:43] a it's going to be an extra step yeah

[1:06:46] it's been a challenge with uh in Lansing

[1:06:48] when it comes to this

[1:06:50] and I could get a hold of everybody on

[1:06:53] that AG list

[1:06:54] and in the event that they're interested

[1:06:57] in these times what would be the

[1:07:01] is it going to be a zoom type thing or

[1:07:04] yeah we will actually let me

[1:07:08] send you I'll send you all an email with

[1:07:11] all the information who's going to reach

[1:07:13] out to people but I will set up a link

[1:07:15] so that you can send that you can send

[1:07:17] that along as well

[1:07:19] yeah send that to everybody uh yep in

[1:07:22] the CAC

[1:07:26] and maybe

[1:07:27] um

[1:07:28] maybe this list too so that

[1:07:31] it's reminding everybody who's on the

[1:07:34] list

[1:07:35] so Ed it seems like pretty critical for

[1:07:38] Ed Levine to be

[1:07:40] interviewed

[1:07:41] any suggestions CJ on how that could

[1:07:44] happen

[1:07:50] um that's a good question I would assume

[1:07:53] he would he didn't respond by email I'm

[1:07:56] assuming is that what I'm going to get

[1:07:59] from this yeah

[1:08:01] okay

[1:08:03] um well I have a standing call with him

[1:08:04] on Tuesday Mornings um

[1:08:07] I'm happy to mention it um I think you

[1:08:10] all copied me on each of the emails that

[1:08:12] went out to each stakeholder group so I

[1:08:14] can just like bring that to the top of

[1:08:16] his inbox

[1:08:17] if that sounds like a reasonable

[1:08:18] approach

[1:08:22] sounds good yeah that would be great

[1:08:24] thanks that's perfect because then you

[1:08:26] know we have at least some coverage

[1:08:31] um I could I could reach out to Sean

[1:08:37] walzinski

[1:08:39] okay I know him

[1:08:42] I I could reach out to

[1:08:45] um Mike Ziegler and Deborah Dawson

[1:08:49] okay and uh

[1:08:53] Dan Siegel

[1:08:56] I can hit up Jack young actually

[1:09:05] okay great that would be really helpful

[1:09:10] um and I think

[1:09:13] I can I can give these people a call as

[1:09:16] well I mean I think again it would be

[1:09:18] best if it's someone from Lansing rather

[1:09:19] than a cold call from a consultant but

[1:09:23] um

[1:09:24] I think we've got a good chunk of this

[1:09:25] list taken up

[1:09:29] yeah maybe just focus on the ones that

[1:09:31] haven't been signed up for Katie

[1:09:39] okay great

[1:09:41] okay

[1:09:48] all right so I think that's all we had

[1:09:51] just really quickly November we're gonna

[1:09:53] have the stakeholder interviews

[1:09:55] um continue to promote the meeting and

[1:09:57] hold the meeting and then continue to

[1:09:59] promote the survey

[1:10:01] once the survey closes on November 30th

[1:10:03] we'll start synthesizing those results

[1:10:04] and then we'll start developing that

[1:10:07] conservation land assessment tool which

[1:10:09] we will

[1:10:10] um

[1:10:11] speak to you guys all about either in

[1:10:13] December or January

[1:10:16] super

[1:10:20] thank you and I enjoy the rest of your

[1:10:22] meeting

[1:10:24] hopeful update thank you Katie and John

[1:10:27] I could I could probably also reach out

[1:10:29] to Eileen Stout also okay

[1:10:33] great

[1:10:34] thanks Tom

[1:10:41] but you're gonna you're gonna send us

[1:10:43] something that

[1:10:45] describes what this is about yep and

[1:10:48] I'll also send out a list of who said they would speak to who and all

[1:10:52] the information associated with this

[1:10:54] yeah if you if I if um I see a list of

[1:10:57] who you didn't speak to him or who

[1:10:58] didn't respond I might be able to fill

[1:11:00] on a few gaps too okay

[1:11:06] that's great

[1:11:08] thanks a lot

[1:11:11] yeah thanks everyone

[1:11:13] this has been very helpful for us thank

[1:11:15] you

[1:11:16] um we'll talk soon

[1:11:20] have a nice night

[1:11:28] okay moving on to new members

[1:11:32] we need two new members

[1:11:36] is that right

[1:11:42] um

[1:11:46] Ruth Hopkins had recommended somebody

[1:11:50] uh and I've been in touch with them and

[1:11:54] also uh Carey has been in touch with

[1:11:57] them and um

[1:11:59] and he may be watching uh the movie the meeting right now

[1:12:06] so

[1:12:07] um

[1:12:08] yeah so that that's one possibility but

[1:12:11] we we would like to see some more

[1:12:14] candidates if possible

[1:12:19] so if anybody and if anybody has any

[1:12:22] ideas of

[1:12:25] um

[1:12:29] I don't know if I have any ideas but

[1:12:31] John anybody else from the farming

[1:12:32] community that might join us

[1:12:34] we don't have Andrew anymore so we feel

[1:12:37] like we're down a person on the

[1:12:39] farming Community who share some of the

[1:12:41] same concerns you bring up

[1:12:43] every single me I don't want I don't

[1:12:45] want to exaggerate every single meeting

[1:12:49] we sort of have Android I mean she's not

[1:12:52] here now but she's still a liaison from

[1:12:55] a town board okay you just don't know

[1:12:58] how much longer anyway John if you can

[1:13:01] think of anybody else that would be a

[1:13:02] good sector

[1:13:04] keep including in here because then you

[1:13:06] have like buy-in from people who are the

[1:13:08] probably the most concerned about this

[1:13:09] stuff

[1:13:11] yep I can put some feelers out

[1:13:16] see if there's some interests

[1:13:18] maybe all those people you contact for

[1:13:20] stakeholders

[1:13:23] and by the way

[1:13:26] so what happened you'd be a good person

[1:13:27] John I I know I'm just tangential but I

[1:13:30] don't know how you'd fit here

[1:13:32] which Hatfield uh

[1:13:34] to John Hatfield whoever the Hatfield is

[1:13:37] that does the chicken

[1:13:40] oh no one yeah

[1:13:45] um I don't know about him okay okay

[1:13:48] that's fine

[1:13:50] and I don't know how Bob Munson would be

[1:13:54] and Pete Larsen would be sort of on the

[1:13:55] fridge

[1:13:58] oops sorry Pete Larson would probably be

[1:13:59] on The Fringe a little bit

[1:14:03] right but might be worth talking to yeah

[1:14:07] okay yeah okay Bob Munson

[1:14:10] I don't you know obviously I'd let him

[1:14:13] make the decision but I'm not sure I

[1:14:15] think he's

[1:14:16] pretty busy busy you know he's only

[1:14:19] running four businesses at the same time

[1:14:20] yeah right okay how about Skip Hardy

[1:14:24] skip Hardy's another good well it kind

[1:14:27] of represents the same Farm John

[1:14:28] represents but he's right he's a good

[1:14:31] person

[1:14:33] so he's also on a bunch of national

[1:14:36] fairy Mills so his he's out of town a

[1:14:39] lot okay

[1:14:42] probably should try to diversify a

[1:14:45] little bit away from

[1:14:47] um

[1:14:48] okay just think about it John let us

[1:14:50] know if you think of somebody all right

[1:14:52] yeah or even just big landowners not

[1:14:54] necessarily Farmers yeah yeah

[1:14:59] um

[1:15:00] one good thing about getting the

[1:15:01] postcard distributed is it has on there

[1:15:03] that we're looking for CAC members so

[1:15:07] you know the more postcards we get out

[1:15:09] uh the more people are aware that we're

[1:15:13] beating the bushes to get some more CAC

[1:15:15] members

[1:15:18] Yeah by listing our names that could be

[1:15:20] a double-edged sword

[1:15:22] oh our names are not on there

[1:15:25] okay good only CJ

[1:15:29] so don't you worry town of Lansing and

[1:15:32] CJ are on the postcard

[1:15:41] so the process do you want to go over

[1:15:45] that Tom or you want me to mention it

[1:15:47] say that again the process for the new

[1:15:51] CAC members is that they need to apply

[1:15:54] by November 30th and they need to do

[1:15:58] that through I believe it's a Tompkins

[1:16:00] County website uh right CJ

[1:16:04] um and then

[1:16:06] um we will be getting the this

[1:16:09] um Regular influx of applications as a

[1:16:14] CAC we'll need to review them

[1:16:17] um ASAP because

[1:16:19] um our December meeting is on the first

[1:16:23] and so the idea is that as soon as an

[1:16:26] application comes in Heather's going to

[1:16:28] notify the applicant that it's highly

[1:16:31] likely that they will need to be

[1:16:33] interviewed during the CAC meeting on

[1:16:35] Thursday December 1st

[1:16:37] and so um we could have a number of

[1:16:42] people to interview if we're lucky on

[1:16:44] that night and we'll do it the way we

[1:16:46] did last year where they come I think we

[1:16:49] allowed about a half an hour uh for each

[1:16:52] one then a 15 minute break just because

[1:16:57] it doesn't always work out so neatly and

[1:16:59] then the next one would start

[1:17:00] so

[1:17:02] um just to prepare you for that meeting

[1:17:06] um looking at the applications ahead of

[1:17:08] time and then we'll probably circulate

[1:17:11] questions ahead of time like we did last

[1:17:13] year

[1:17:14] and then do the interviews on December

[1:17:16] 1st then we would need to make

[1:17:18] recommendations so we'd need to you know

[1:17:20] stay after the interviews talk about the

[1:17:22] candidates

[1:17:24] um

[1:17:25] make sure the candidate still wants us

[1:17:28] and then recommend to the board I hope I

[1:17:31] have that all correct uh CJ so I'm

[1:17:34] confused though I have the application

[1:17:36] is from the county

[1:17:44] yeah um there's a repository like an

[1:17:48] archive called laserfish and it's a you

[1:17:50] know the county clerk's uh graciously

[1:17:53] set this up for us so that when someone

[1:17:54] hit submit uh I get a copy Heather gets

[1:17:57] copy town clerk gets a copy it kind of

[1:17:59] um makes it easier for everyone to

[1:18:01] coordinate and turns an application into

[1:18:02] a PDF which is super nice so just makes

[1:18:06] it easy for all of us to coordinate

[1:18:07] especially because you know the town

[1:18:09] clerks take uh record all the committee

[1:18:11] members let people know when terms are

[1:18:13] up and really organize all that for the

[1:18:15] annual organizational resolutions so

[1:18:18] that's just a helpful way for us to

[1:18:20] coordinate

[1:18:22] so if somebody wants to apply they have

[1:18:24] to go to the county they don't go to the

[1:18:26] town no no no no no no you of course

[1:18:28] yeah they go to lansingtown.com

[1:18:31] and uh if you see the uh button on the

[1:18:34] top that says

[1:18:36] um uh boards and committees under

[1:18:38] departments

[1:18:40] um you can click on any different

[1:18:43] committee and in this instance uh you

[1:18:45] have click on conservation advisory

[1:18:47] Council and in fact if you want uh we'll

[1:18:50] just uh

[1:18:52] walk you right through it so hold on

[1:18:53] just a moment and I will

[1:18:57] show you how

[1:18:58] um how easy it is

[1:19:01] so um yep here's on the town page and

[1:19:04] just to let you know we do have um the

[1:19:06] events so ccc's tonight and then we also

[1:19:09] have the events coming up

[1:19:11] on the calendar as well so um folks are

[1:19:14] aware of those

[1:19:16] and the flyer and such but if you want

[1:19:18] to apply you simply go to boards and

[1:19:20] committees and here's all the towns the

[1:19:22] boards and committees is currently

[1:19:24] listed and you go to CAC and you're

[1:19:26] going to go right to this application uh

[1:19:28] right here okay so um click on this

[1:19:31] application and it takes you to yes it

[1:19:33] is an external page through this LF web

[1:19:35] uh so it's hosted by the laser archive

[1:19:39] but we use it as our repository for all

[1:19:43] kinds of archival Records so it's

[1:19:44] actually really great resource and so

[1:19:47] folks fill this out just like they did

[1:19:49] like um you remember the old paper

[1:19:51] application which we still have the

[1:19:52] paper no worries if you'd like to fill

[1:19:54] out paper we can certainly accommodate

[1:19:56] that but then these folks just will hit

[1:19:59] submit and depending on the committee

[1:20:01] that they're submitting to we'll send to

[1:20:02] a different person in uh Town Hall but

[1:20:05] always including the Town Clerk and such

[1:20:07] so it's a great record-keeping tool for

[1:20:09] us so that's it that's the whole thing

[1:20:11] CJ or Carrie um I just saw that fly by

[1:20:15] so quickly I'm sorry if maybe I missed

[1:20:18] or something or dropped the ball but I

[1:20:21] my term expires next month am I supposed

[1:20:23] to reapply

[1:20:26] uh yes so we have uh so let me go to our

[1:20:29] uh handy dandy

[1:20:30] um board

[1:20:33] um application process so hold on just a

[1:20:35] moment

[1:20:38] what to do

[1:20:45] let's just find it or if you CJ if you

[1:20:48] want could you just send that link

[1:20:50] around

[1:20:51] oh yes uh and it's also listed on the

[1:20:54] postcard

[1:20:55] listed on the what

[1:20:57] the post office

[1:21:00] I just need a link so I can fill it out

[1:21:03] yeah easy peasy um we'll drop that right

[1:21:06] in the chat for you

[1:21:07] so that's the uh direct link to the

[1:21:10] application so you don't have to go uh

[1:21:12] you know Meandering of course through

[1:21:14] the uh towns website which hopefully

[1:21:17] it's fairly easy to find but um foreign

[1:21:28] ago you might all um recall we created a

[1:21:32] pointed board application process to try

[1:21:36] to make things a little easier for folks

[1:21:38] to understand kind of how to go through

[1:21:40] the process of um uh you know applying

[1:21:43] for a new term or uh applying to a join

[1:21:47] for the first time uh so we're about to

[1:21:50] send out the advertisement for

[1:21:53] um inviting folks and then of course any

[1:21:56] current uh member of any of the uh

[1:21:59] bodies listed above so CAC planning

[1:22:02] organism and guard will receive an

[1:22:04] invitation with that link on it and um

[1:22:06] uh we'll just apply and see uh

[1:22:08] applications uh either scan to PDF of

[1:22:10] their paper but like I just showed you

[1:22:12] the handy dandy laserfish site just

[1:22:15] creates a wonderful PDF record for us

[1:22:17] automatically we'll circulate those two

[1:22:19] as we did last year and we go through

[1:22:21] this process as you may all be familiar

[1:22:23] with now we go into

[1:22:25] um you know executive session to you

[1:22:27] know discuss the particular candidates

[1:22:29] and then um when interviews are

[1:22:32] completed you'll make a recommendation

[1:22:34] which will then go to Soundboard

[1:22:37] um and that's pretty much it and I'm

[1:22:39] happy to drop this in the chat as well

[1:22:42] just so you all have a copy and know how

[1:22:44] that works

[1:22:45] foreign

[1:22:52] at the bottom of the flow chart there it

[1:22:55] said that the applicants

[1:22:57] um they're if they're not selected their

[1:22:59] application stays on file

[1:23:01] um yes uh so yep we'll be inviting um all

[1:23:05] the folks uh who applied previously

[1:23:09] um to apply again or we usually just

[1:23:11] reach out to say hey we have an uh

[1:23:13] application on file that we received in

[1:23:15] the last few years are you still

[1:23:16] interested basically just to confirm

[1:23:18] that they would still be interested in

[1:23:19] turning

[1:23:21] hey so another another question CJ since

[1:23:24] um

[1:23:25] if I had had made this mistake of not

[1:23:28] indicating that I might be interested to

[1:23:31] stay on the committee does that change

[1:23:33] the number of two open spots or is it

[1:23:39] um this is not this is not an automatic

[1:23:41] thing to just re re-up in other words

[1:23:43] right right we want to give

[1:23:47] um you know I think the process that the

[1:23:49] town board uh had developed here is this

[1:23:52] kind of happened you know just as covid

[1:23:54] was um kind of happening uh as well I

[1:23:58] wanted to

[1:24:00] um essentially just establish a what I

[1:24:02] guess they saw some a fair process to

[1:24:05] give people a chance to renew if they

[1:24:07] wanted to and then invite new people as

[1:24:09] well so okay so it's it's a it's a

[1:24:12] completely open field then

[1:24:14] as far as I see it um and so here's the

[1:24:17] folks currently uh so here's all of you

[1:24:20] um and so as you can see we've got and

[1:24:23] remember they're two-year staggered

[1:24:24] terms so this is not and they were all

[1:24:25] by alphabetical order there wasn't you

[1:24:28] know any other method used to indicate

[1:24:31] um terms so the B's and the E's and such

[1:24:36] are in the beginning of the alphabet and

[1:24:38] thus are ending 2022.

[1:24:41] and so the other ones you can see are

[1:24:43] 2023 so at the end of next year all the

[1:24:46] 2023 folks of course would uh re-up if

[1:24:49] they wanted to plug in oh okay so I mean

[1:24:51] Andrew's dropping off anyway Tom is

[1:24:54] dropping off anyway Evan is intersection

[1:24:58] Andrew's actually not a member anymore

[1:25:00] she's a liaison from the town board so

[1:25:02] the just the nine members here so one

[1:25:05] two three four so it's really easy it's

[1:25:08] just really Robin and me right now

[1:25:11] Robin you

[1:25:13] um Tom C and Evan ogada who I have yet

[1:25:16] to I think meet

[1:25:18] Evan's not been on the committee

[1:25:21] actively I don't think

[1:25:24] so Karen you may have an application

[1:25:27] that's already on file that you might be

[1:25:29] able to activate because I think last

[1:25:30] year you applied because we thought we

[1:25:34] had differing information about whether

[1:25:37] your term was up and I'm pretty sure you

[1:25:39] submitted an application

[1:25:41] where where do you find that well CG

[1:25:45] might be able to help somehow just dig

[1:25:47] it out

[1:25:49] um but if not you do have to reapply and

[1:25:52] um Robin you'll need to also

[1:25:56] did you see my question about whether we

[1:25:58] need to interview again

[1:26:03] um I the

[1:26:04] my memory from last year was that

[1:26:09] the CAC member made a very cursory

[1:26:14] statement of interest and then

[1:26:18] um

[1:26:19] and then they signed off somehow CJ I

[1:26:22] think you were able to do it such that

[1:26:23] the person was that they left the room

[1:26:26] and then they joined the room again but

[1:26:28] when they left the room then the CAC was

[1:26:31] able to

[1:26:32] give a thumbs up or uh express any

[1:26:35] concerns and I I don't think we've had a

[1:26:38] time when we've expressed

[1:26:40] concerns about current members

[1:26:46] so it wasn't a formal long interview

[1:26:51] okay

[1:26:52] quick quick statement of Interest

[1:26:56] so CJ do you want me to ping you

[1:26:59] separately about whether that

[1:27:03] application is still on file I mean I

[1:27:05] don't think it's changed

[1:27:07] appreciably uh yeah we're uh so early

[1:27:10] next week uh we'll be starting to pull

[1:27:14] out the prior applications from the

[1:27:16] previous three years uh and just

[1:27:19] following with with people it's part of

[1:27:21] our planning board cac's EPA process so

[1:27:24] um it's just that Heather's been in Code

[1:27:27] Enforcement Training the first module

[1:27:28] this week so uh that's why we haven't

[1:27:30] had a chance to get to it yet but

[1:27:33] we will be following up

[1:27:35] okay great thanks absolutely

[1:27:48] okay are we all set with um the new

[1:27:52] members issue

[1:27:57] I think so

[1:28:01] okay Department reports planning

[1:28:04] department report

[1:28:06] um

[1:28:07] well also I'm going to say is that the

[1:28:10] traffic impact study related to Dandy

[1:28:14] Mart

[1:28:15] has been received

[1:28:17] and it's available

[1:28:20] on the town website I believe

[1:28:26] and I have I have recused myself from

[1:28:29] The Dandy mark

[1:28:32] application

[1:28:34] because as a CAC member I you know I was

[1:28:37] part of the

[1:28:39] foreign

[1:28:40] the comments that the CAC sent to uh to

[1:28:44] the planning board regarding Dandy Mart

[1:28:49] and

[1:28:51] the town does not want to see any kind

[1:28:53] of conflict of interest

[1:28:57] regarding that issue

[1:29:01] so that that I think is the only

[1:29:04] thing that playing board is up to that relates to CAC

[1:29:13] and we have no Town board liaison here

[1:29:17] so

[1:29:20] I guess we could skip that

[1:29:22] and David do you want to say something

[1:29:24] about the um

[1:29:26] Environmental Management Council well

[1:29:28] that too is uh so there was no

[1:29:30] Environmental Management council meeting

[1:29:32] last month if you recall October 18th

[1:29:36] which almost coincided with their

[1:29:38] monthly meeting which is usually on the

[1:29:41] second Thursday of the month

[1:29:43] um they were you know some of them were

[1:29:45] pretty involved in organizing that and

[1:29:47] some of them are going to be attending

[1:29:48] that so they just skip the meeting

[1:29:52] the that was the event that was focused

[1:29:55] on

[1:29:56] uh they had various uh organizations in

[1:30:01] the Tompkins County area that were

[1:30:03] focused on Emergency Management type

[1:30:06] issues

[1:30:07] and it had sort of a climate change

[1:30:09] twist to it too thinking about flooding

[1:30:11] and some of the things we're seeing with

[1:30:12] climate change

[1:30:13] but not exclusively and it was I forget

[1:30:17] three to four different agencies fire

[1:30:18] departments police departments

[1:30:20] um

[1:30:21] I think there was someone from um yeah

[1:30:24] that

[1:30:25] Ithaca

[1:30:27] city offices that deal with Emergency

[1:30:30] Management just kind of like who you

[1:30:31] call us was really for you know General

[1:30:33] citizens uh in general very Broad

[1:30:36] uh audience involved

[1:30:38] focused on

[1:30:39] um who are concerned about you know some

[1:30:42] you know want to know what what to do in

[1:30:44] certain situations so anyway I guess it

[1:30:46] was pretty successful but that's all I

[1:30:49] have to say about that

[1:30:53] okay

[1:30:54] well I think that wraps up uh what we

[1:30:58] wanted to cover during this meeting is

[1:31:00] there any other uh new business that

[1:31:03] people want to discuss the only other

[1:31:05] one that came up was Robin's bird uh

[1:31:09] demo

[1:31:10] and

[1:31:12] um I mean Robin if you wanted to do that

[1:31:14] more thoroughly we could do it

[1:31:17] um in the next month or two or if you

[1:31:18] wanted to show it tonight that's also

[1:31:20] possible before that we do the trainings

[1:31:26] I wasn't planning to show you the bird

[1:31:30] um you joined the bird conservation tool

[1:31:32] that I sent via email

[1:31:36] um no I wasn't planning any kind of

[1:31:38] formal demo of it okay

[1:31:42] you want to do that at different meeting

[1:31:43] or just have people look at it

[1:31:45] individually

[1:31:46] well I was just thinking about

[1:31:49] um you know who who would benefit from

[1:31:52] seeing that tool and I think it

[1:31:56] all of us would benefit from it but

[1:31:59] um

[1:32:00] you know would Katie and John need to

[1:32:03] look at it to see you know understand

[1:32:06] more about you know

[1:32:08] bird habitat in Lansing and I don't I

[1:32:11] saw Karen commented on it too I'm not

[1:32:13] really sure how to use the information

[1:32:15] right now just that it was a tool that

[1:32:17] showed

[1:32:19] um various Open Spaces I see CJ has a

[1:32:22] hand raised

[1:32:25] CJ did you have something to say about

[1:32:27] it uh not about this but about another

[1:32:30] item I had spoken with Carrie earlier

[1:32:31] today about the Water Resources Council

[1:32:34] oh right yeah okay so Robin maybe we

[1:32:39] could um table it to January when um

[1:32:42] Katie and John Stein met so be with us

[1:32:44] again

[1:32:46] yeah possibly yeah I think it was just

[1:32:49] with um show some areas on the map maybe

[1:32:52] we could look at how they compare to the

[1:32:54] areas that people in the survey

[1:32:56] have already indicated Maybe

[1:32:59] there's overlap but yeah maybe not not

[1:33:02] tonight

[1:33:02] that would be awesome perfect

[1:33:11] okay

[1:33:12] um

[1:33:14] Carrie did you want to say something

[1:33:15] about the Water Resources Council well I

[1:33:18] think CJ could actually

[1:33:21] um that'd be great yeah I just wanted to

[1:33:24] um so I heard from Darby Catalia

[1:33:26] Tompkins County Planning uh asking about

[1:33:29] uh they have two vacancies for next year

[1:33:33] uh to the Tompkins County Water

[1:33:35] Resources Council and that's an Advisory

[1:33:37] Board to the County Legislature and

[1:33:39] they're looking for an at-large and

[1:33:42] Municipal seat so

[1:33:45] um they're looking for the there's no

[1:33:48] kind of official approval needed but uh

[1:33:51] we're asking about

[1:33:52] um uh or at least from their perspective

[1:33:55] I believe that the town would probably

[1:33:57] want to formally appoint somebody but I

[1:34:00] want to see if there was any interest uh

[1:34:01] from anyone on conservation advisor

[1:34:10] I might be interested

[1:34:14] okay great it was okay if I pass on your

[1:34:16] email that's a Darvish sure okay

[1:34:21] foreign

[1:34:23] okay great thank you very much unless

[1:34:25] and if there's anyone else you know uh

[1:34:27] you're interested in serving on the

[1:34:28] County Water Resources Council I'm happy

[1:34:30] to pass your name on for consideration

[1:34:32] I hope there wouldn't be a conflict of

[1:34:35] interest

[1:34:40] ing

[1:34:41] there will be

[1:34:43] I'm really

[1:34:45] um not happy with this

[1:34:48] but

[1:34:49] yeah well I think it's absolutely

[1:34:51] ludicrous that there's a conflict of

[1:34:52] interest for what what you're doing as

[1:34:54] opposed to a past present who broke

[1:34:56] every ethics Norm that we ever seen in

[1:34:59] government so we have just an absurd

[1:35:02] situation where at the local level

[1:35:04] they're holding you to a standard that's

[1:35:06] just beyond imagination and then at the

[1:35:09] at this Federal level

[1:35:11] who the hell cares

[1:35:13] yeah

[1:35:20] okay on that note and we are going to

[1:35:23] start our trainings and

[1:35:26] um

[1:35:27] we're gonna start with the workplace

[1:35:29] violence first because I think there are

[1:35:32] more people who need that training than

[1:35:35] the subsequent one and that will allow

[1:35:37] those folks to actually get off because

[1:35:41] they will have fulfilled uh the next one

[1:35:45] um

[1:35:46] I think other places Cornell Etc

[1:35:50] so

[1:35:52] um CJ I think you have uh workplace

[1:35:55] violence queued up maybe I hope

[1:35:58] and I'm not sure do we need to go live

[1:36:01] at this for this part uh no we can

[1:36:03] certainly disable that if you'd like to

[1:36:05] this is just a training now so if you'd

[1:36:07] like to end the meeting formally that's

[1:36:09] perfect peaceful

[1:36:11] okay let's uh let's adjourn

Town of Lansing Conservation Advisory Council meeting 11/3/2022

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