[0:02] Good evening. This is the uh September seven eight September 8th uh village of

[0:10] Lancing Board of Zoning Appeals meeting. I'd like to uh call the meeting to

[0:14] order. Uh and I would also then like to open

[0:19] our public hearing. So I'm going to need a motion.

[0:22] » Deon, is there a second? Mike seconds. All in favor? Right. Roy.

[0:29] » Thank you. >> All right. So, the purpose of this

[0:32] meeting is to consider a uh sign in the village that uh apparently

[0:39] some disagreement as to whether or not it fits under our sign law or

[0:46] » I opened the public hearing. >> I'm sorry.

[0:48] » We went right by. >> I know. You got me.

[0:52] » We did it. Adam has uh turned in the uh the public hearing notices to the uh

[0:59] budding properties. I do have that. Okay.

[1:01] » Um everything else is pretty uh self-explanatory. I can give you a

[1:05] reader digest first and I have him go ahead and and explain his side. Um

[1:10] » why don't we have Adam had him from a person?

[1:12] » Sure. >> Just come on up and talk to us.

[1:17] » So I'm Adam with State Farm right down the road. Appreciate you convening this

[1:21] meeting. Um, I think maybe the easiest way is that I had sent a statement to

[1:26] the property owners. I'm not sure if you guys had seen that, but maybe I can just

[1:29] read that statement kind of recaps the event that led to us tonight. And then

[1:34] if you have any thoughts rather than that sound good, good. Uh, so thank you

[1:41] for hearing the request for variance to allow temporary seasonal signage for my

[1:45] business at a McGee Park insurance agency. Currently, the permanent signage

[1:50] in my location uh displays a State Farm logo, but it does not include my name or

[1:55] I identified at a given insurance agency. This can create a confusion for

[2:00] customers uh trying to locate my office and it makes it more difficult to

[2:03] distinguish my agency from the other four State Farms uh that are located in

[2:07] the greater ethical area. Uh as a local business in Lancing, I want customers to

[2:12] be able to clearly identify my agency and know there is a state office located

[2:17] here. Uh my intent using temporary signage was

[2:22] to season and the visibility of my agency in a

[2:26] manner that is safe, professional, appropriate for the commercial corridor

[2:31] along the network. Before purchasing any signage, I conducted a basic review of

[2:36] the village's sign regulations and understood the code to permit temporary

[2:40] signage. Uh based on that understanding, I select portable signage and I believe

[2:45] you have seen probably the actual sign down the road as well as the uh

[2:49] depiction from the State Farm website. Um approved by State Farm and then

[2:53] stopped and received permission from my landlord uh displayed at the property.

[2:58] So, I approached this process in good faith with the intention of complying

[3:01] with the village's requirements. Uh, I'm not seeking to install additional

[3:06] permanent signage or create excessive visual clutter rather than requesting

[3:11] reasonable reasonable flexibility to use temporary seasonal signage that helps

[3:16] customers identify while remaining consistent with the commercial character

[3:21] and safety of the surrounding area. So I respectfully ask this board to consider

[3:26] the practical circumstances of my location, the limit identification

[3:30] provided by my existing permanent signage and the temporary and seasonal

[3:34] nature of what I'm proposing and considering my various requests.

[3:39] So that's

[3:44] about at the end of time is me if I'm around time about a month and a half ago

[3:48] or so. Um, I saw the banner signs and I stopped in to uh Adam's office and uh

[3:55] the gentleman was there. You weren't you weren't in at the time. The gentleman

[3:59] was there and I said that uh uh the village code does not allow banners in

[4:04] the village and to uh ask Adam if he would remove those. And the young man

[4:10] said, "Sure, I'll I'll talk to I'll talk to him about it." About a week later,

[4:14] the banners were still up. So, I stopped in just as a reminder and Adam happened

[4:18] to be there and we sat in his office and uh um Adam wasn't convinced that this

[4:25] should be classified as a banner. I believe that was the language

[4:30] and I said, "Well, I I classified as a banner and it's not allowed within the

[4:34] village and um it needs to be removed." And so, we discussed a few other things

[4:40] and I went back to the office. Um, I sent Adam an email. Well, he sent one.

[4:47] He was glad to meet me. I sent the same thing back to him. Um,

[4:52] I said that uh I I sent the quote that you have of what's restricted in the

[4:58] village. Uh, and not uh I'm not saying that uh

[5:03] I'll read it right here. >> 5.

[5:08] » Yes, there's 115 which is no sign or park there. may

[5:12] contain or consist of banners, posters, pennants, ribbons, streamers, spinners,

[5:17] or other similar moving, fluttering or revolving devices. These devices, as

[5:21] well as string lights, may not be used for advertising or attracting attention

[5:25] to any other purpose. Uh, so I sent that to Adam and um and I believe he came

[5:31] back, I'm paraphrasing, I believe Adam gave us, you handed us the uh the email

[5:36] run, which is in a pamphlet that you had right there. Um uh he stated, "Well,

[5:42] this was you wanted to take advantage of a temporary sign for 3 days." And I

[5:46] said, "Well, even if it's a temporary sign, I would need a uh temporary sign

[5:51] permit." And receiving a temporary sign permit, I would deny it because it is

[5:56] classified in the banner. So either way would have to come down. Um Adam

[6:01] disagreed with me and I said, "Well, that's your right. You may go in front

[6:04] of the board of zoning appeals, state your case. In the meantime, uh, I

[6:10] wrote up a notice of violation, uh, that said they had to be removed within 30

[6:14] days. Um, I' kind of let that go until Adam gets

[6:19] his hearing. Um, and then, uh, it's up to you to decide at that point

[6:26] after this. >> We ask Adam some questions.

[6:28] » And I'd also like to entertain any comments from the audience if

[6:32] » Okay, go ahead. >> Why don't you go first?

[6:38] Oh, I'm seeing I saw those banners the day they went up

[6:45] as I was driving and I was very upset when I saw them

[6:49] because I didn't know where the sun was and

[6:54] especially

[6:57] and they were in the wind. Um anyway, it was very upsetting to me

[7:03] because I thought they were I want to say they are not attractive

[7:09] out there. And um we are trying to I know Mike's been very busy working with

[7:15] the businesses along the road corridor because there have been other slight

[7:19] issues on the corridor. We're really trying to keep things within the

[7:24] character of what our missions are. Um, but based on our sign law, the banners

[7:31] aren't allowed. And there's been other places that we have banners and they've

[7:35] had to be asked to remove the banners. Um, you know, your business is front and

[7:39] center right there. People should easily find you. Um,

[7:45] it's not like you're hidden in the building. Like for instance, back to

[7:49] balance massage therapy, which I I've known cold for a long time and which is

[7:55] hidden in that building. Um, but your friends

[8:04] obviously

[8:17] science former so she knew what said but I risk

[8:23] » and my concerns are that memory is is distracting. It's at a very busy

[8:31] intersection that already has issues there with a

[8:35] place in memories. But um it also the fact that you can put this up when we

[8:41] have had other people who came from and have respected the code. It penalizes

[8:47] those who do respect. And while we can do it as to

[8:53] whether it's attractive or not, um it's my first thought and I'm not the only

[8:58] person. I've actually received comments from other people say she tacky we need

[9:02] that because here's the state farm which is very visible from the road. Um the

[9:08] only thing that it tells you is your name which apparently obviously our

[9:11] names are very important to us but um I'm on the CAAC committee which was

[9:19] hoping to work with businesses would be one of them and we would like to work

[9:24] with you to improve how the central corridor works and because you are part

[9:29] of that central corridor I my first thought is oh my god this looks like a

[9:33] child which is where you see these things and I And I know very well that

[9:38] the CC.

[9:43] So I would just say that that's pretty much it for

[9:53] any >> Mike. Go ahead.

[9:56] » First of all, I got to have a question for Mike. You know the nationwide sign

[10:00] that they have on the side of that same building?

[10:03] » You don't have to want that, but he could have something like that, couldn't

[10:06] he? and that would have his name on it >> as application. I'd have to I believe

[10:11] that building has a plan sign area so that they do

[10:14] » would have to be probably on the side. >> They have a certain uh square footage of

[10:18] signs signage that they can have on that building altogether.

[10:22] » Oh, maybe it's breached though. Yeah, >> it goes with the building

[10:25] » and that I'm not saying that they've reached it,

[10:27] » but they may have >> sign on the building with your name on

[10:31] it is perfectly fine with an application and I figure out if they

[10:37] » because it does have the uh >> focus in particular on this sign which

[10:41] » right? >> Oh yeah, I was just wondering other

[10:43] options. Yeah. >> So So here's my questions for you.

[10:48] You know, we have to look at what the zoning board's after. Okay. And if you

[10:54] think about it, there's six units in your building. If we give you the right

[10:59] to have the whatever you want to call this flag sign, all five other ones have

[11:03] to have the right to have that flag sign. Whether they do it or not is the

[11:07] point. We got to look at what we're creating. And at 30 233,

[11:12] there's 14 in the village campus office. So, we'd have to give the right to have

[11:17] 14 people right there. And I'm not even talking further along. So that's why

[11:22] they took a long time with the zoning and the planning board to create these.

[11:27] That's what they did want. So even though I appreciate

[11:33] everybody's trying to make money in business, everybody's trying to get

[11:35] their name out. We we sympathize for that. In fact, that what she was

[11:39] referring to is an attempt to work with the businesses to encourage them in many

[11:44] ways along this corridor. But we have to look at what the goal of the planning

[11:48] commission was to set up. and they said this is not the look we want. So that's

[11:53] one thing I wanted to mention to you. And um the other is whether we argue

[11:59] whether it's a a flag or a banner or whatever there is that catchall thing in

[12:06] the provision. So I can say tomato, you could say tomato, but anything like that

[12:13] we're fair to interpret the way we think. And I'm afraid I'd be leaning

[12:17] towards interpreting your banner as out. That's just my feeling. Go ahead, Kim.

[12:21] » I I agree. Your point um was well taken about the other five businesses or the

[12:26] business, you know, across the street with what 14 mailboxes or so. It just

[12:30] creates a president um and it would be inconsistent especially I was that we've

[12:36] had this situation previously with with other um companies. So, and answers of

[12:41] maintaining that present. That's kind of how it looks for me.

[12:45] » Excuse the question. >> Um, you said seasonal. What do you mean

[12:49] by seasonal? >> Well, a banner like this certainly would

[12:52] not be up in the winter months. It just it wouldn't be practical. It's temporary

[12:57] portable signage. My intent was just to have it up in the summer months, July,

[13:01] August into September when, you know, it's our busy season. We want to avoid

[13:06] that confusion of folks not seeing my name anywhere just saying State Farm

[13:11] because there's four other State Farm agents. So just to awareness.

[13:16] » So going way way back before some of you were even on this board and

[13:22] probably two code officers prior to Mike. State Farm came to us for their

[13:29] original sign because they were fairly new to the village. They had just moved

[13:34] into that building and they were applying for a sign. They wanted a much

[13:37] larger sign than our than our um sign law allows based on their occupied

[13:43] square footage, but we compromised and they got a sign that was a bit larger

[13:48] than what is allowed for the office. Um, so you already have had

[13:55] an exception made for the sign that is there. I totally understand your issue

[14:01] with people not knowing who you are and that you are the agent for that for that

[14:05] business. Um, but I highly recommend sort of renegotiating the whole sign

[14:10] idea with something permanent on the building, which means you'd have to

[14:13] apply for it and it would have to go through the regular procedure so that

[14:17] you have your name on the building as opposed to out at the corner. And I'd

[14:21] also like to say um you know we're we're deliberating on

[14:26] this based on what our zoning law allows for and I don't think it's a stretch to

[14:32] interpret that as a banner. Um, and I'd like to say also that in redesigning

[14:37] North Trip Hammer Road some 20 years now, we've made a real deliberate e

[14:42] deliberate effort in the village to make it as uncluttered as possible yet still

[14:49] provide wayfinding, proper signage for our businesses because we welcome

[14:53] businesses in this community and for safety reasons. Um, but we did not want

[14:59] ourselves to be looking like what you see when you drive down Meadow Street,

[15:04] which to me is just visual clutter, visual cacophony. And that's what the

[15:09] village is really trying to avoid is that kind of look. And everybody's got

[15:14] banners up in the city. If you look at that, if you drive that corridor, that's

[15:18] exactly what we don't want in the village. And I don't think I'm out of

[15:23] out of my depth here making that statement, though. That's kind of our

[15:27] overarching aesthetic vision of what we'd like our village to look like. And

[15:33] to me, the banner doesn't fit. But that's just my, you know, it's my sense,

[15:38] but I also don't believe that it is in keeping with our zoning law.

[15:43] » And could I just to follow up to that? Um, when the sign was approved, I I

[15:48] wasn't really a part of that company that stay subcontract, I think it is.

[15:53] Um, they actually applied. Um now although we're thankful the sign is

[15:56] larger than you know was even allowed um there was no sign an exterior sign that

[16:02] State Farm provided that would have my name just because it was I couldn't get

[16:06] anything that would fit both. Um and then the sign road again is too small it

[16:11] just says State Farm. So I'm not sure when we're talking about the scope of

[16:15] finding alternative like I don't I mean it wasn't an option five years ago. So

[16:21] if it is an option now that's fantastic. But that seems different than what I was

[16:26] told. >> Were you part of it five years ago?

[16:29] » Yeah. I mean, in a sense, it's Yeah, I opened it. But a third party that's

[16:35] subcontract for State Farm, they're the ones who handle all the signage. So,

[16:38] they applied, they submitted, they proposed, and that was what was allowed,

[16:42] which I didn't even realize it was larger than what was allowed. I was just

[16:46] told we couldn't do anything with my name because there wasn't a fit with

[16:49] with code. >> Yeah. I don't think it was a a lot

[16:54] larger, but it was larger. Um, >> maybe they just didn't ask for your

[16:58] name. We don't know. Do you remember? >> I don't remember. I don't remember. And

[17:03] you weren't before Mike's time. >> Um, I have a few questions. This is Roy.

[17:09] You have questions? >> No, I really couldn't add to anything

[17:12] that's already been said. You envisioned this as temporary

[17:17] signage, but even under the code, and I'm not sure which provision you looked

[17:21] at to think that this was permissible. >> The longest period that I saw was 30

[17:26] days, but you just listed July, August, and September, much longer than 30 days.

[17:31] So, what is the thought process? >> So, you're correct. Like my

[17:35] interpretation of 30 days, but you asked me what I would like to have.

[17:39] » Okay. >> I'd like to use three months. I knew

[17:42] that there was a temporary provision for 30 days. And I'll be completely

[17:45] transparent. I used AI to search code and they said there are temporary sign

[17:49] for 30 days. No permit required. So that's why AI still

[17:53] » so that provision that AI found unfortunately AI didn't do a full read

[17:57] of it because it's only for political signage or like civic organizations

[18:01] without a permit. So there are a lot of provisions in that temporary signage

[18:05] that would apply to, you know, opening a new business, which is different. um if

[18:10] you want to advertise for a contractor that you're using temporarily etc. So I

[18:15] disagree with AI's reading of the code. So next time whenever you do anything

[18:20] the village I would first recommend coming to Mike Scott because he is very

[18:23] helpful and can point you in the direction to avoid situations like this.

[18:28] Am I correct or am I misremembering that at one point there were two of these up

[18:32] or have you only ever had one? Why was the second one taken down? kind of felt

[18:36] like those dollars that I think they might actually be by not a landlord but

[18:41] by they're just they're not straight. So there was one that I felt was visually

[18:46] appropriate. The second one I just wasn't satisfied was the name was kind

[18:49] of >> so I took that down just because I

[18:51] thought it looked better and also the size of you know you buy something it

[18:55] shows up it's a little bit bigger. I thought it was small I thought and it

[18:58] just seemed like one works best but seemed like a good fit.

[19:01] » Okay. And then would you agree that when the wind blows

[19:07] this also moves? >> Oh, totally. Any sign other than like

[19:10] your concrete footer moves and like the yard signs we see everywhere. I mean

[19:16] » in the wind it moves with the wind. If it's not windy, yes, they're standing

[19:19] very straight. But when the wind blows, it's flapping all around.

[19:23] » Okay. >> Um the other thing about it is it is

[19:30] a distraction. I don't like vertical signs because you

[19:34] have to stop and read them and you're driving and it's just not the kind of

[19:39] thing you want to have visually on the corner of a very busy complicated

[19:43] intersection. There are a lot of left turns. I hate that intersection. It's so

[19:49] it's messy. I mean, we we do the best we can, but it's just a distraction rather

[19:54] than an attraction. And so that's why I dislike vertical signs. And it that's

[20:00] not in the code that that doesn't say anything about the vertical sign, but

[20:04] the verticality makes it difficult to read when you're driving.

[20:09] » So, there's got to be a better way to advertise yourself,

[20:13] » right? I don't like you said it's not in the code but good point about the

[20:17] vertical lettering but I just think for the purposes of this interpretation just

[20:21] to circle back to the language that we're looking at in 1155f

[20:25] that no sign or parthof may contain or consist of banners posters pendants

[20:30] ribbons streamers spinners or other similar moving fluttering or revolving

[20:35] devices um

[20:39] I think there's these devices as well as string of plates may not be used for

[20:42] advertising attracting attention or any other purpose. So, it's the board's

[20:49] job to interpret whether this feather flag, as I've learned they're

[20:55] called, uh, constitutes one of those are in the catch all provision of other

[21:00] similarly moving fluttering or revolving devices.

[21:06] Anyone have any other questions? >> Do you have any other comments?

[21:12] » Um, no. I think Michael and I had conversation, good dialogue. You know, I

[21:17] just wanted to make sure we could find a way that you were able to get my name

[21:21] out there just to help the business community as a whole.

[21:25] » So, this is the plan they read. >> I'd have to double check here. That's

[21:31] for some reason. I think it they they changed a few signs on it before and I

[21:36] believe I >> landlord

[21:38] » uh Dr. Watu. >> Okay.

[21:41] Yeah, it may it may not be an implication.

[21:44] Peter were talking about. So if he wanted to have this name on the

[21:50] building, not fluttering, but you know, every taste the way um a variance that

[21:57] would be you would come for a variance for that and that might be more

[22:02] acceptable to some of us or would be I mean I think

[22:07] these other things I don't think it's I don't think it sends a message but I

[22:14] understand you anyway there. But I mean that's another possible

[22:21] but um something to consider >> and then it would be permanent. It

[22:25] wouldn't just you would have the ability to have your name on the building. So

[22:31] yeah, I mean even if you're at the sign capacity, you can get a variance for

[22:36] sign area if the sign is >> if it is a sign. I said I'd have to do a

[22:40] research and send you whether it's a signed plan sign area or whether you

[22:45] actually if it's plan sign area there's calculation for what square footage you

[22:50] could have depending on uh the length of the facade that you have your business

[22:57] which would be the whole almost the whole front end

[23:00] » half the front end I would have to figure that out.

[23:03] » Is there a sign pylon there? >> Sure. I'm sorry.

[23:05] » I'm sorry. Is there a sign pylon that that has the different occupants of the

[23:09] building >> corner? There is. Yeah, I have a picture

[23:12] of it if you want. >> I can't remember that.

[23:20] » This is the one that shows that shows the buildings that are there, you know.

[23:26] But there's one on the ones on the building, too, that I was referring to.

[23:30] » Yeah, the other one looked nice. Let me see how pull it up to get.

[23:36] » It's the one like that one that's on the side that the nationwide sign.

[23:42] » Yeah. >> And it has the name lights up.

[23:44] » Yep. >> Uh

[23:45] » and it's got his name on it. >> So it's just just what's already there.

[23:49] But like Mike says, I don't know where they sign it works with what's already

[23:53] been. >> This is the awning sign.

[23:55] » Who has a big sign? You know awning sign.

[23:58] » There's a sign over the >> There's another sign.

[24:00] » Yes. sign. The sign on the door. >> That's just the awning.

[24:07] » Another sign. >> There's a sign. Is there not a sign on

[24:10] the door over the door? Isn't that >> It says state baring.

[24:17] » Not the awning, but an actual

[24:21] » Yeah, >> that's what

[24:24] » I think there's ours out the door or next to the door. There's like a little

[24:28] » That's a small He's not talking about that being any kind of thing. He

[24:33] » could about this. >> That's what I'm

[24:35] » Yeah, I understand why you can't put the name on that, but if you had

[24:38] » Yeah, if he had a nationwide a nationwide

[24:43] » that might suck. >> We get we'll get into my grandkid.

[24:50] » No, you're done. I was just trying to use that.

[24:54] » Yeah. Okay. Are there any other comments before we start to deliberate?

[25:00] Right. The public

[25:02] » I I need a motion to close the public hearing if there are no more comments.

[25:06] » Motion second. Okay. All in favor? >> I

[25:12] public hearing is closed. And now what we will do is um consider the request

[25:18] um the village of Lancing board of zoning appeals resolution uh for

[25:22] September 8th 2026 for appeal number 2026-8.

[25:29] This matter involves consideration of the following proposed action appeal

[25:32] number 2026-8. The village of Lancing code and zoning

[25:37] officer determ determined that the feather flag installed at 20 flee 59

[25:42] north road in the village of Lancing uh violates the village lancing code uh

[25:49] section 115-5F. The McGyvern Insurance Agency

[25:54] represented by Adam McGyvern appealed to the board of zoning appeals for an

[25:58] interpretation of chapter 115-5F as it relates to the feather flags flag. The

[26:05] board's duty in an interpretation appeal is to determine the meaning and

[26:08] applicability of the provisions of the zoning code based upon the language of

[26:12] the code, the record before the board and the facts presented. Excuse me. And

[26:18] the village of Lancing code 115-5F provides as follows. As Natalie said, no

[26:25] sign or part thereof may contain or consist of banners, posters, pennants,

[26:29] ribbons, streamers, spinners, or other similar moving, fluttering, or revolving

[26:33] devices. These devices, as well as strings of lights, may not be used for

[26:37] advertising or tracking attention or for any other purpose. And on September 8th,

[26:43] 2026, the Village of Lancing Board of Zoning Appeals held a public hearing

[26:47] regarding such action and therefore thoroughly reviewed and analyzed the

[26:51] materials and information presented by and on behalf of the applicant in

[26:55] support of this appeal, all other information and materials rightfully

[26:58] before the board and all issues raised during the public hearing and or

[27:03] otherwise raised in the course of the board's deliberations. So now we need to

[27:08] pass a resolution. Uh the village of Lancing Code section

[27:13] 115- F5F prohibits signs consisting of banners, posters, penants, ribbons,

[27:18] streamers, spinners, and other similar moving, fluttering, or revolving

[27:22] devices. Based on the record before the board, the feather flag is or is not

[27:28] within the ordinary or commonly understood meaning and or similar in

[27:32] character to the banner penants and river

[27:35] strainers, the spinners and other moving fluttering revolver devices as

[27:39] identified in 115. So what we need now is a motion to

[27:43] either accept or reject the notion that it is a banner.

[27:50] Make a motion to reject it. Everyone to to say that it is definitely

[27:54] » is a >> Is there a second?

[27:58] » All in favor?

[28:02] » Moving on. >> I don't think there's any additional

[28:04] findings or >> No, there are no other than um there are

[28:07] no findings. Uh and there are no uh conditions other than to maybe

[28:12] reconsider. >> No, we have to do four.

[28:14] » Yes. >> Sure.

[28:16] Um >> I was saying if there's anything else

[28:18] you want to write into space for that but I don't believe so I

[28:24] don't know anybody want to point anything

[28:26] » that the interpretation advanced by the code and zoning officer is or is not

[28:30] consistent with the language and purpose >> I'll say is consistent

[28:35] » all agreed a resolution no that's what we're doing so you're answering it's all

[28:39] part of that resolution the final resolution will be the vote be it

[28:43] further resolved that the board hereby affirms the code zoning officer's

[28:46] interpretation that the sign at issue is prohibited under 115-5F

[28:52] of the village of Lancing zoning code or reverses the code officer's

[28:56] interpretation which shall it be

[29:00] » affirm by Don second by

[29:03] » the first and second >> and then Deon all in favor

[29:09] » that it affirms all right agreed thank you

[29:14] all right So, we unanimously have decided that it is a banner and that it

[29:20] doesn't meet our time standards for the village of Lancing. I'm sorry, but it's

[29:27] the way we operate. >> Good luck with your business. I think

[29:33] they're going to get to know you anyway. >> Well, I appreciate it.

[29:37] » How long have you been there? >> This is 26 years.

[29:42] But I I really appreciate everyone's time, especially it's really intense to

[29:45] figure open up that dialogue and figure out how to come a solution to a problem.

[29:48] » Well, and Lorraine has that direction. >> Yeah. And Lorraine had a point. So the

[29:53] the community what is it the community engagement?

[30:02] » So I think that's where you could easily discuss ways that businesses could make

[30:06] themselves still comply with our sign law.

[30:10] actually needs mention that we don't want to ignore your needs, but on the

[30:18] other hand, you have to realize that we have ours and there's a reason for them.

[30:23] Um, we just don't there are places in this county that we don't want to

[30:28] resemble and I think we've done a pretty good job. Um, we've worked really hard

[30:33] on our sign law and our street trees and the way things look in the village. you

[30:39] know, we want people to have a good impression. So, that's kind of what

[30:43] we're trying to uphold here. >> So, just a quick question for variance

[30:47] for consideration of the extension of what we're talking about tonight. Is

[30:50] that going to be a new application or can we just

[30:53] » I can send you I can send you some >> I can send me an email which you're

[30:59] looking for and then I can send you back. I won't be in the office tomorrow.

[31:02] I'm at a SEO meeting, but the next I can get back to you by

[31:06] » and then what's the other thing as far as sign get that down and a day

[31:09] tomorrow. >> Okay.

[31:12] » Not immediately, please. >> I guess I just have a comment for you.

[31:16] If let me show her this. I know we're over,

[31:20] but this is a better picture of what you were trying to see.

[31:24] » What I wanted remember you said there was something on the door.

[31:28] » I think Lynn was referring to the on >> on the building.

[31:30] » Yeah. >> Yeah. No, that's not visible. That's

[31:32] just when you walk up, >> you give the measurements of the nation,

[31:36] right? Sign and the lighting. Maybe you would find who who makes them and then

[31:42] you got an example to put with your application assuming that's the size you

[31:46] wanted. Okay. Sorry.

[31:50] » You're fine. >> Grace,

[31:55] » close up. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm just thinking about that

[31:57] corner. They're the same. I think they're called montalk daisies. Am I

[32:03] right, Lisa? >> They bloom about this time of year. They

[32:07] love it there. >> I used to weed that garden myself. I

[32:12] used

[32:18] » Yeah, they're very late summer. >> Beautiful.

[32:22] » Really interesting part because I mean it has so much potential. It looks

[32:25] really good at times, but it was awesome times. Well, one thing one problem with

[32:29] that is I used to weed it and um >> the deer ate a lot of stuff in there.

[32:34] » They they just do a number on a lot of things in the village that you just have

[32:38] to figure out what to plant that they won't most of the time won't eat. The

[32:42] other is it's a kind of a hot dry site. It's very exposed to the western sun and

[32:46] it's very steep so water doesn't stay on it when it falls.

[32:49] » So it's >> Yeah. I don't know how they they finally

[32:53] establish themselves. I don't see anybody dead heads in the I think they

[32:57] » just um as a matter of fact this coming

[33:03] weekend design concepts the grant that was given to design connect

[33:09] » design what design connect >> design connect the kids

[33:13] » they're going to come and walk the corridor starting all the way from the

[33:18] trip mall up on both sides and back with and um the idea is to work with down to

[33:28] » Are they looking for input? >> Yeah.

[33:34] » So these are sending original planet students. Yeah. So

[33:37] » yeah, maybe maybe they can get some feedback on, you know, on

[33:41] beautifification, right? >> Yes.

[33:46] » All right. >> I got to turn the meeting.

[33:49] » I have a motion to the meeting, please. Moved by Mike, second by D. Um Devon,

[33:54] all in favor. >> Thank you everybody.

[33:59] » You

[34:03] going down the docket. What's that? Is

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