[0:02] This conference will now be recorded.

[3:45] flag. I aliance to the flag of the United

[3:50] States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation

[3:56] indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Right.

[4:02] We'll call this Lawrence County Commission meeting of September 1st to

[4:06] order. We have any changes or additions to the

[4:10] agenda? >> Mr. Chairman, there is an amended

[4:12] agenda. You'll know that under general business, there's a section that's

[4:15] underlined. We're going to have you reconsider the JJ grant from last time.

[4:21] I would note under the sheriff's time that we're not prepared yet to submit

[4:24] the two agreements referenced under there. So, those will be continued until

[4:28] your next meeting. Otherwise, I don't know of any changes.

[4:32] » Approve the agenda as amended. Second move by Tisdale, seconded by Euing to

[4:38] approve the amended agenda. All those in favor say I.

[4:41] » Any oppose? Nay. >> Okay. Motion carries. Any conflicts that

[4:45] we have to share today? >> Seeing none, we'll move on to uh regular

[4:51] minutes. We've all had a chance to read those over. Have any corrections or

[4:54] additions? M to approve. Second

[4:59] » moved by Tisdale, second by Commer to approve the minutes from August 25th.

[5:05] All those in favor say I. >> Any oppose? Name.

[5:08] » Okay. And also had a chance to look over the bills.

[5:12] » Motion to pay the bills. >> Second.

[5:16] » And moved by Yuing, seconded by Comr to pay the bills as presented or approve

[5:21] the bills. All those in favor say I. >> I. Oppose. Nay.

[5:25] » Okay. Motion carries. some uh personnel requests when you get

[5:33] » F3 for the sheriff's office to approve a step raise for Stone Thoon as a

[5:38] full-time permanent deputy 2 grade 2 at a base pay of 3433 effective September

[5:44] 20th and a separate from Marina Cleveland

[5:49] a full-time permanent sergeant one going to a grade three at a base pay of 3753

[5:55] per hour effective September 20th And then Adrien Chesa steps as a

[6:02] full-time permanent dispatcher one grade two at a base pay at 2530 effective

[6:07] August 23rd.

[6:13] » Motion to approve the sheriff's request. Second move by Tisdale, second by caller

[6:18] to approve the presented personnel request from the sheriff's office. All

[6:23] those in favor say I. Any oppose? Nay. Motion carries.

[6:30] I believe we have a travel request. >> Yes. So, this travel request is for um

[6:35] Amber Quote to attend the 2026 Western Planners Conference in Sou Falls from

[6:40] August 26 to the 28th.

[6:47] » Motion to approve the travel request. >> Second.

[6:52] » Moved by Y. Seconded by comr to approve the travel request as presented. This is

[6:58] last week apparently. >> All those in favor say I.

[7:02] » Nay. Motion carries. >> Thank you.

[7:07] » We have a raffle. Mr. Chairman consideration is a raffle request

[7:11] submitted by a bridge between us. Quite a bit of information included in your

[7:15] packets. I think it's relatively self-explanatory. The date of the event

[7:19] is scheduled to be October 24th. think of it here at the lodge. I think that

[7:24] would I would not know too that I think they've had contact with the state to

[7:27] sort of verify their program that they're going to have for the event and

[7:31] they're going to eliminate their 52 card drawing for some reason.

[7:38] But that's for normal consideration.

[7:44] Move to not object. >> Second

[7:48] and moved by Tisdale, seconded by Ying to not object to the raffle for from

[7:53] Bridgew between us. Any questions? All those in favor say I. I.

[7:59] » Oppos? Nay. In fact, not.

[8:05] Next up is the JJRI grant to have Lexi here twice in a row. What a

[8:12] bonus. Good morning. >> Well, I am back again today. Um, we got

[8:19] notification late last week that the uh application as it was submitted would

[8:24] not be accepted because I included 18 year olds in my list of completions. Um,

[8:31] in the past it's I've always included them and then I've just noted for them

[8:35] that they were 18. This time they asked me to remove um all 18y olds from the uh

[8:41] application since they're not eligible for reimbursement. So uh that was done.

[8:47] We're still at a 93% successful completion rate. Um

[8:52] happy to answer any questions. >> That changes the amount of of the

[8:56] reimbursement, I assume. >> No, it doesn't. Okay.

[8:59] » No. um because you're still I've I've only ever been um reimbursed for the

[9:05] juveniles that are in there. I've just always included all of my numbers for

[9:09] Lawrence County, including my kids that were 18 at the time of their offense,

[9:13] and they just want me to do things differently now.

[9:17] » Was it just to clear it up or >> Yeah.

[9:19] » Housekeeping? >> Yep. Yep.

[9:23] » How do you want the motion to read? >> Just amend. just an amended to approve

[9:27] and authorize the chairman to sign the amended JJRI initiative

[9:32] um program and designate team court as the recipient. So move

[9:38] » second has been moved by Flatigan, second by

[9:41] Comr to approve the amended JJRI grant application and authorize the

[9:48] chairman to sign. >> All those in favor say I. I.

[9:52] » Any oppose? Nay. Motion carries. Thank you.

[10:04] » Yep.

[10:10] [clears throat] >> Thank you.

[10:14] » We're having a county health fair. Uh Barb, I see you're online. Did you want

[10:17] to say anything about the county health fair?

[10:32] comes up the sheriff's report. Pat, if you have anything for us today,

[10:39] still open. Still open. Going strong, too.

[10:43] » All right. Thank you for all your hard work.

[10:49] » All right. We have a request to forgive a county lean. Pam, you're ready. We

[10:53] sure entertain.

[10:58] » So, I just take this out. Just read it in case I get

[11:11] um say good morning commissioners and thank you for allowing us to speak at

[11:15] your meeting. I'm Pam Hines. This is my husband Les and this is Sean Bornov and

[11:21] he is the good person we are advocating for. So just a little history is that um

[11:27] after Sean's mother passed away in 2018 his sister became his guardian and that

[11:32] relationship was very difficult not healthy. Shawn was actively looking to

[11:37] separate himself from his sister for over a year because of the distress and

[11:41] mental anguish he was feeling due to the relationship. Sean's sister was both

[11:46] guardian and his rep pay and she was looking for conservatorship over Shawn

[11:51] or even more control and she scheduled a court date. This was very upsetting to

[11:56] Shawn because her interactions were always very negative and Shawn was

[12:01] feeling unheard [snorts] and unseen. At Shaun's request, Northern Hills Training

[12:05] Center stepped in and worked with the state to become his rep pay and take

[12:10] care of his day-to-day finances. Um Sean's a part of the Northern Hills

[12:14] training center because he requires support to live in the Spearfish

[12:17] community. And [clears throat] then when Shawn showed up at court with his

[12:20] sister, he did not have an attorney. So the judge appointed Amber Richie and she

[12:25] did a great job representing Shawn. Shawn requested a new or different

[12:30] guardian and rejected the conservatorship his sister was fighting

[12:34] for. I had worked for Northern Hills Training Center, a new Shawn, and my

[12:39] husband and I both agreed then to become guardian. So on March 23rd of 26, we

[12:45] knew legal he became his guardian. But um the bill he received for this was

[12:51] $4,28, [clears throat] which is more than he can afford since

[12:55] he lives on social security for the disabled and just a part-time job at

[12:59] sheltered workshop. Um my job is to advocate for him. So I

[13:05] I'm requesting that his bill be waved or forgiven. And um the center is currently

[13:12] paying $50 a month and at this rate it will take over 84 months or

[13:17] [clears throat] seven years to pay off this bill. And as you can imagine, there

[13:21] are other items that are also going to be addressed like for his teeth that

[13:26] will have an out-of pocket expense. And I just put at the bottom there um his

[13:31] SSI and then he does get EBT. So he gets a total of about $1,500 a month. and

[13:38] then his monthly expenses. And um

[13:43] when I talked to his um rep pay yesterday, he had $4 in his account. So

[13:48] he was so glad today was first some more money would come into account.

[13:55] But that's our our appeal for for Sean questions for Sean.

[14:05] I believe you also saw an email from Amber Richie about the case.

[14:11] » I think the amount, Mr. Chairman, you're considering is 4,28.

[14:24] [clears throat]

[14:29] I'm sorry. >> I think they did make one payment $50.

[14:33] » Sorry.

[14:36] Um I don't know if they ever done it for well rarely. Um I think there's been one

[14:42] or two examples in my experience where you've done it. Usually extraordinary.

[14:45] Uh this is a very interesting circumstance though. I don't know of

[14:48] anything ever quite like this. Um for example, I remember one girl came in.

[14:53] She had gotten out of prison. She had been in prison for murdering her

[14:56] husband. And I think she came in and wanted her courtappointed attorney fees.

[15:00] She didn't do that. That's years ago. Um, so that's that's one example of

[15:04] request like that. It's a lot.

[15:08] » I'm sure training center could use their 50 bucks a month. I know they're a big

[15:11] outfit, but you do a whole bunch of them adds

[15:17] paying for it. It is money. The training center is not

[15:24] they're just his pay. >> I'll make a motion to uh forgive it.

[15:31] circumstances are extraordinary. I think

[15:37] » I'll second it

[15:42] by you and seconded by Tisdale to forget the entire amount commissioner.

[15:47] » Somehow I missed Amber Richie's letter.

[15:52] She encouraged us to reduce the I'm going back through my emails and I don't

[15:56] see it in the drive for that but I I would

[16:02] based on her also recommendation to forgive

[16:06] » it's there on the drive. >> Mr. Mr. Chairman, we looked at the

[16:11] statute of we had never experienced that before where the court had appointed the

[16:15] public defenders office in such a case and statutoily it is allowed I think

[16:19] fairly clearly so it was appropriate wasn't stretched

[16:26] any further discussion all those in favor say I

[16:29] » any oppose nay >> okay they will forgive the name thank

[16:32] you very much for coming up >> want to say thank you

[16:39] » want to say thank Thank you. >> Thank you.

[16:41] » You're welcome. Thanks for what you do. >> Thank you,

[16:51] » Mr. Bay. Would you like to send the

[17:00] good morning? [clears throat]

[17:06] Don't have a lot at this time. We do have a fiveyear

[17:11] plan reading at 9:00. But for now, I do have a a request for

[17:18] the permission to advertise a bid date of September the 22nd,

[17:23] 26 uh to open proposals for the improvement of the Home State Road. But

[17:30] this would be the the two narrow passes approximately 610 of a mile west of the

[17:37] intersection of Hills Road. I did meet with the engineers yesterday.

[17:43] They're confident that they have their plan in place to submit.

[17:48] We are still waiting for a couple of easements, but uh

[17:53] hopefully we get those in place by the time this uh this can go to a bid open.

[17:58] I'm looking for an approval toise. >> So moved.

[18:03] » Second. Been moved by Flat, seconded by Tisdale to advertise for the bid opening

[18:08] and for the uh or 6.18 miles of Homestake Road. Is that enough time? It

[18:15] seems [clears throat] like a pretty short time if we don't have the plan

[18:17] fully put together yet. >> The plan's fully put together. It's just

[18:20] the e just the easiest that's all. Okay. And it's not six, you know, it's not 618

[18:28] miles of distance. That's the >> Oh, that's west. Yep. Gotcha.

[18:34] » It's two two locations that they're they they're like 200 yards

[18:40] total. So, I'm sorry, each

[18:45] both on the north side of the road. >> Uh we're looking at the Mezer property

[18:49] on the south side of the road for the the furthest east. And then on the north

[18:54] side of the road, the Lind Cuffs property, but because of the steep grade

[19:00] towards the bottom, it's a one to one slope. To achieve a 3 to one slope,

[19:03] we're looking at roughly 180 ft of that go

[19:09] a fair amount of east. So, but yeah, that's where we are right now.

[19:16] uh but um to go to bid or open bids on it for the

[19:21] 22nd and we're also into a a situation where

[19:27] it's kind of a little unique. You know, we already know that the bidder is going

[19:30] to bid a low amount. you know, they're promising to pay for this, but to to to

[19:39] meet all of the state standards to go to this bid opening and and to try to keep

[19:45] other contractors from suffering. It would be a shame for somebody to come

[19:50] to this and give up another job to bid for this job knowing they're not going

[19:54] to get it. So, our advertisement is just to satisfy the state

[20:00] requirements. Sure. Any further questions? All those in favor say I. I.

[20:05] Any oppose? Nay. Okay. [clears throat] The bid opening will be September 22nd.

[20:12] » I would just like to say that we did start on the Elmore Road Grandard

[20:17] Construction. They constructed the bypass. In fact, our crew is out there

[20:22] today. We're going to put a little chloride on that to keep the dust down

[20:27] for the people that live out there during this construction.

[20:35] They're they're certainly behind schedule, but they do still are

[20:38] confident that they'll have this bridge done before the end of the year. So,

[20:42] we'll see. It is a cast in place

[20:47] deck, continuous board deck with a button.

[20:52] There's a and they're optimistic they're going to

[20:56] get it done. So, we'll see. I mean, winter can strike strike pretty early

[20:59] out there in the Spearfish Canyon area, but

[21:04] they are making progress. I I'll have more reports on that coming. So,

[21:10] but yeah, they're they did get the bypass built. They

[21:15] relocated the American diver. Everything's going well.

[21:21] And we did yesterday complete the Hannah bridge structures. As far as

[21:26] installation of all of those, they're all in place.

[21:29] Those open. We we got that down. My crew, our crew got it down to a fine

[21:36] art. They they did each one of those. Yesterday's was the hardest one they did

[21:39] and they still did it in eight hours. So,

[21:43] they did a fantastic job. They look great. They drive great. Our next step

[21:47] is to contact a paver and we're going to get those paved, get that done before

[21:52] the snow also flies. >> Looks like the community is very happy

[21:56] with them. >> Yeah, you know, uh we got nothing but

[22:00] positive feedback on that. I think everybody's pretty pleased with them

[22:04] that and and the actual installation portion. They nobody was too

[22:08] inconvenience. We we gave everybody enough warning that lives there. They

[22:11] all parked their cars on the, you know, the downhill side of the structure. So,

[22:16] they were able to we kept a walkway through there for them and I don't think

[22:20] anybody was too inconvenienced and now it's good. They don't have to worry

[22:25] about garbage trucks falling through the bridges anymore. They should be good for

[22:28] a long time. [clears throat] >> I'm sure they appreciate that.

[22:36] » And other than the uh uh the fiveyear plan stuff, I don't have

[22:41] anything else for you guys. If you don't have anything for me,

[22:45] the wheel a little bit for that. >> Yeah, that's public hearing at 9:00.

[22:49] » Thank you, John. Yep. Thanks, John. Guess I should have asked anybody had

[22:54] any questions for Mr. P. It's too late. [laughter]

[23:02] I'm out of here.

[23:05] » Don't be so get along with [clears throat] my best.

[23:11] Got a little extra time here. just like to see if

[23:18] come do some of those reviews.

[23:24] We're going to have plenty of time here.

[23:33] [clears throat]

[23:37] » Nice day.

[23:41] » I finally got an update on my Wells Fargo letter situation. Um, I did not

[23:48] get anything from them, but I got help from Corloic. Uh, yesterday we were

[23:52] going back and forth for quite a while, and we finally Paula finally let me know

[23:56] that Wells Fargo said that they sent the letters out in

[24:00] air, that they should have never gone out.

[24:04] And um, I told them, well, is Wells Fargo going to send letters out? They

[24:10] will not proof letters to go out if they're in air. They say they don't have

[24:14] time or whatever. So, I have 46 people that I have gotten phone calls for that

[24:20] I will call and let them know. And then Core Logic, who is the third party that

[24:25] does a fantastic job that was working, you know, contracted by Wells Fargo,

[24:29] they're going to try to contact any of the people that they can on their end so

[24:34] that there is no problems at all. Um, I told Paula, she's from Core Logic, my

[24:39] contact, that I was going to update our web page and put out there that it was

[24:43] an error. And she goes, "Oh, let me check with Wells Fargo." Um, and I said,

[24:48] "Well, I'll be politically correct. I, you know, let me have what they wanted."

[24:53] And this is what Wells Fargo wanted me to say. If you have recently received a

[24:57] letter from your mortgage company regarding Lawrence County special

[25:01] assessments, note the special assessments is included in your county

[25:04] bill and no action is needed. If you have an escrow account, these will

[25:08] continue to be paid by your mortgage company. I said I'd put that in there,

[25:12] but mortgage company is going out and Wells Fargo is going [clears throat]

[25:16] because I don't want to put mortgage company and then anybody that has a loan

[25:19] sees that then they start >> more magnify.

[25:25] » Ironically, I did have a couple people that

[25:29] » No, they come and >> Yeah. So, as of yesterday afternoon, it

[25:34] went on our web page that it was the letters were sent there. We also have it

[25:40] on our phones messages if anybody calls on that that they can disregard the

[25:45] letters but if they did get a refund they should check directly with Will

[25:49] Fargo because I have no control over that because I guess some they were

[25:53] cleaning up some of their escrow and some of the monies did need to go back

[25:56] on that

[25:59] » yeah will you use that sort of as your script when you call those 40ome people

[26:03] back uh >> yeah I'll add yes that's what I'm going

[26:06] to tell them that their letters were sitting there and if you have any

[26:09] questions You know, I'll just say, you know, like I've been telling everybody,

[26:12] we we have to give out taxes. I would never

[26:16] deny anybody the right for taxes. And I, you know, up until two years ago, Wells

[26:21] Fargo got my my taxes monthly. They they get a thing and then they hire Corore

[26:28] Logic to take care of it. Corore Logic every month. Matter of fact, I should be

[26:31] getting an email form today requesting my files and so they have all updated

[26:36] once in case something gets paid off or something like that.

[26:38] » Bless you. Um, but I I will say Corlogic was awesome. They they really had to

[26:44] work on this and get to the bottom of it because I could not get anybody to

[26:47] answer.

[26:51] So, Deb, did Wells Fargo indicate how many of these letters went out? So, we

[26:56] have some idea what percentage of the 46 people represented. I have no idea

[27:02] because I I have no idea who has escros. But the last time that I had an escro

[27:08] payment just strictly from Wells Fargo was around 600,000. So I just kind of

[27:13] figured, you know, that's for a half, you know, if somebody's, you know, what

[27:17] the average taxes are. So I'm guessing probably be around 300 people just in

[27:22] Orange County. That's >> just curious about

[27:26] reply because >> there's another X percentage that

[27:30] haven't said anything yet or >> or don't or don't pay attention and just

[27:34] pitch it, you know. So like me, I probably got if I got some probably

[27:38] throw it away. >> Yeah. So hopefully

[27:41] » this is taken care of. >> Commissioner

[27:46] be interesting. They don't have time to fix their

[27:49] » wonder if they'll have time to reprimand us.

[27:53] » Yeah. >> Yeah.

[27:56] » Go ahead. >> Yeah. You said something that reminded

[27:58] me uh about paying property taxes online. I think you talked about it with

[28:02] the commission a couple weeks ago. Is it Beacon? Is that what it was?

[28:04] » Well, I was looking at one credit card company that we could go on. they could

[28:09] pay online, but then Brett also mentioned that we could get Beacon,

[28:13] which at least they could just go and see what their taxes are and Brett's

[28:17] been working really hard on that. And Greg has been helping. We just Brett

[28:22] just um called me yesterday and talked. Um it sounds like you can can get our

[28:27] property taxes online for people to look at. It's gonna I think Brett said and

[28:32] she's going to come down and talk to you guys probably in a meeting or two. It's

[28:35] going to be like $4,400 a onetime fee to get it all set up to get the property

[28:40] taxes on there. And she's asking I had some monies to help. And I'm trying to

[28:44] sweep out 2,000 out of my budget. I hope I can, but this is something that really

[28:48] should be on Beacon. It it'll cut down phone calls for my office and um EQ EQ.

[28:55] I mean, director of equalizations already once they got Beacon has cut

[28:58] down a lot of phone calls for them with people just looking at property

[29:01] descriptions. And this will help esroies and um realtors and stuff to be able to

[29:07] go on and look and see what the taxes are.

[29:09] » Beacon is the GIS program that's online. It's

[29:13] » they just can't pay on it, but they can go and see what their base taxes are

[29:17] » on the parcel and find it >> and see everything there. So, I think

[29:20] it's a good thing. I know there's still, I think, a few little tweaks to get out,

[29:24] but we're moving in the right direction to try to get out the dark ages.

[29:28] » Mr. Will Beacon be in addition to that other vendor you talked about, or does

[29:33] Beacon that >> um the other v if I go with beacon then

[29:38] I won't go with the other we'll just put those and see if this works for now um

[29:43] because they can still go through forte and pay the other vendor I was looking

[29:46] at was going to host our taxes online and then they could pay taxes through

[29:52] them through us the only thing is is I would have had to do some changes

[29:56] possibly with credit card company at the counter and Forte is working really good

[30:01] I mean we use about six million through them a

[30:06] So with Beacon, I could get online and see what my property tax is owed is, but

[30:10] then I would go to Forte to pay. So it's a two-step process. Is that fair? Yes.

[30:14] » And the other vendor would have been done both of them, but you accomplish

[30:18] the same thing by having >> and and their price, their um credit

[30:20] card fees were a little more higher than what I can offer right now. And I know

[30:24] on the beacon part, if I understand it right, you go on right now and you you

[30:28] pay a monthly fee or a daily fee to go look at um director of equalizations

[30:33] information and stuff, but we're going to have get it. So the property taxes

[30:37] are free to look at. I don't think we should be charging for somebody to go

[30:40] look for property taxes. So that part's going there.

[30:45] And then the other good thing is when we um when I give my uh statistics that we

[30:50] did last month on on stuff, I said I was going to mail out 22 letters of

[30:55] delinquent taxes. I mailed out those 22 letters and it come to 228,68.91

[31:03] and so far we have collected $14732707 out of that. So that went really good.

[31:11] And then I have another really delinquent property about 240,000 and

[31:16] they're working with the bank. So hopefully within the next month we'll

[31:19] get that taken care of. So we're getting our delinquency down again.

[31:24] » What did you get? Was it 49 vehicle titers over the weekend? [clears throat]

[31:28] » Yesterday I had to check in 44 titles and get them. I was here till 6 last

[31:35] night finally getting them in and then out of those 44 unfortunately five of

[31:39] them have to go back because they didn't do the paperwork right. That that's the

[31:43] frustrating thing is they send all this stuff in. They don't [clears throat]

[31:46] sign the titles. They don't have all the some of the stuff we can call and they

[31:49] can email. When they don't sign the titles, we don't have signed power of

[31:53] attorneys or something. We have we we send them back certified because I don't

[31:58] I want to be able to track those titles. So, we've got five of them I got to send

[32:01] back today because they didn't do the proper

[32:05] [clears throat] >> and you you log all of those in and

[32:07] track everything. So, if a customer calls, you can tell them when you got

[32:11] it. We have too many coming in. >> I have them on an Excel spreadsheet that

[32:15] we put in by name, date, and vehicle and if we're missing anything. Um, and then

[32:20] if it's in the work by the date or if it's in the bank file or or the hold

[32:25] file. >> Yeah.

[32:30] I can just imagine what's going to be like next Tuesday. How many we're gonna

[32:33] have you go? Well, because we're on Saturday and then Monday and then we'll

[32:38] get a big stack on Tuesday. Monday's always yesterday.

[32:45] » Thank you for going above and beyond what you really need to do there. Making

[32:48] 46 phone calls. That's >> my project today is to get that done

[32:52] because back and forth with Core Logic before we finally got everything

[32:55] straightened out yesterday and stuff. I didn't have time to call everybody, but

[32:59] I'll start calling them today and let them know and if you guys get calls or

[33:02] if they have any questions, want to ask have more specifics on it. Um, but it

[33:07] sounds like everything should be just back the way it was or that the letter

[33:10] should have went out. [clears throat]

[33:15] » And I have my best to help. >> Okay. Thank you.

[33:19] » All right. See you guys.

[33:29] » Um, we bring Jeff down. We got a special board of adjustment.

[33:32] » Yeah. You want to do the Senate Bill 96 resolution.

[33:44] » Okay, we'll jump ahead on the agenda here and uh we passed the ordinance

[33:49] creating a county sales tax last meeting, but we did not uh decide when

[33:54] to offer relief. So, the two choices are we can offer uh relief on the 2027

[34:00] payable taxes using an estimated return gain from our county sales tax or we

[34:07] could collect the full amount of the sales tax and offer relief from 2028.

[34:13] » Yes, I would I would just start I'll make a motion to do half the estimated

[34:18] receipts. >> So, the estimated receipts are using 66

[34:24] million. Is that what I'm going to use what the most recent we get at the end

[34:27] of the year. >> Okay.

[34:30] » So, >> or where or whenever the reporting time

[34:33] happens to be. >> So, then you would you would apply half

[34:36] of that then property tax estimated. >> I think that's a conservative number. I

[34:42] don't think it's an appropriate I don't think, you know, I think I think it's uh

[34:47] I think it's responsible. We're getting the relief out sooner than later.

[34:52] Um but we're also not being Without being too optimistic, I think it's a

[34:56] good conservative method, a good way to go.

[35:00] » If we went with that plan, then the following year we would catch up the

[35:04] other half with the full amount. >> That's a discussion for the board at

[35:07] that time. See what your experience is.

[35:12] » Um, yeah, I think that, you know, everything would go into the property

[35:15] tax relief fund. So, I don't know that that's a choice.

[35:20] But we have to issue all of the uh receipts from property tax.

[35:26] » Well, so then it'd be realized. I mean, we're collecting it. We need to do what

[35:30] we're supposed to be doing with it. >> Yes.

[35:32] » Yeah. You've heard me voice that I wanted to collect it for the first year.

[35:37] » Hey, but I'm comfortable with this conservative case.

[35:43] » That was a motion. >> Yeah. Sitting out there.

[35:48] » I'll second that. Okay. And then move further discussion.

[35:51] » Yes. Moved by Flanigan, seconded by Tisdale to issue half of the amount of

[35:57] the estimated revenue from the county sales tax as

[36:02] relief in 2027 credit to the taxes for 2027 payable. I

[36:09] think my only question is who's making the call on estimated? I don't know if

[36:13] Department of Revenue is going to estimate those

[36:18] continue to do that or not. And it's my understanding that they keep

[36:23] track what the city sending to them, but they have no idea exactly exact dollar

[36:28] amount send.

[36:32] » Correct. They do not collect that data. So then the following year we would use

[36:37] the half we didn't use theoretically and then half of the following year so

[36:44] pay it off. We always have a half as a buffer

[36:48] that I'm not sure I imagine there's going to be some tweaking by the

[36:51] legislature to figure out how that puts is put together. I think the only entity

[36:56] we have to determine the estimated revenue is going to be the department of

[37:00] revenue, the only official one. But again, that's I suspect there's

[37:06] going to be there's going to have to be something down the road legislatively

[37:10] that either allows the county specifically to design to to to

[37:16] design an ordinance that's appropriate for the county or they're going to have

[37:20] to figure out how to do a blank one statewide through legislation. But we're

[37:24] we're not at a point where we know those answers still.

[37:27] » So it's we're still best guessing what we

[37:31] » I'm speaking out loud. So um so I don't know if we know what the estimate is.

[37:34] Maybe we could get something. Maybe not. But alternatively, would you consider

[37:38] stating a specific amount? I'm just going to throw out a random amount of a

[37:42] million dollars uh to start off with. And you could always amend that next

[37:46] year um uh as revenues came in. Does that make sense? you would apply uh a

[37:51] million dollars as it's collected to property tax relief to start off with.

[37:54] Maybe that's too low and and then if it comes in better, you could always apply

[37:59] more next year or in a relevant time frame.

[38:04] » Yes. >> Why why why a specific number instead of

[38:08] a percentage? >> Because we don't know what the

[38:10] percentage is of what I don't know 50% of the total is going to be that

[38:17] another problem. So they the let the department of revenue came up with their

[38:21] estimated uh revenue for sales tax when they were working on the bill. Um I

[38:27] contacted the department of revenue July maybe it was just to see if there

[38:32] was an updated number because I suspected that that was the 2024 number

[38:36] that they were working on when they did the 20 or 25 number when they're doing

[38:40] the 26 legislative session. I tried to get an updated number and that she told

[38:46] me that um it was six million just a little over six million prior the old

[38:51] number was a little below six million. I got the feeling that they weren't really

[38:55] tracking that that they were just throwing that number out.

[38:57] [clears throat] So that's my concern about the motion is

[39:00] that we don't I don't know that we're going to get an official number

[39:04] nor do I have a lot of confidence in that number uh strictly because they do

[39:09] track the municipalities but they don't track uh the number outside of the

[39:14] counties and the way that they arrived at that estimate for the number outside

[39:18] the counties was that you know you got this whole pool of money uh that they

[39:23] collect for for sales tax for the state and they knew what the municipality

[39:27] ities were. So they subtracted out all the municipalities and that left a

[39:31] smaller pile of money that they just divided on a per capita basis for the

[39:35] state and [clears throat] applied those to each county on a per capita basis. So

[39:39] obviously some counties generate a lot more sales tax outside of the

[39:42] municipalities than others. So I don't know how accurate that number is going

[39:46] to be. >> Now that we've had this discussion, I'm

[39:56] entertained the motion or I guess

[40:01] I'd be more comfortable waiting till 2028 to disperse funds.

[40:10] » But yeah, the motion is to utilize to give half of the new

[40:16] estimate. We're not sure.

[40:19] » The motion was to do 50% of the most recent estimate by by the end of the

[40:23] year. >> Right now, the current estimate was six

[40:26] 60 something for the department of revenue. Um, based on what you said, I

[40:32] suspect if that number is Lawrence County

[40:36] and based on other counties, I suspect that that number would be higher than

[40:39] that >> because I think there's a lot more

[40:41] revenue generated outside city limits than most counties.

[40:46] » So, I'm very comfortable with my motion as as a

[40:51] even even if it's half of the the only one we get. But you know by the end of

[40:56] the year they're going to be there gonna be a lot of heat on department revenue

[40:58] to give this a number. Give us the number then we know what it is

[41:03] » because whether or not senate bill intended to do that that's what they've

[41:06] done is force to make make something. >> Yes.

[41:10] » So just uh thinking [clears throat] about time frames here. The treasur's

[41:15] office tries to get those tax notices out in February. When would they need

[41:18] that date? That's one question. And the other

[41:22] question is, is our software going to be capable of issuing that as a credit

[41:28] February 27? >> We send the tax numbers out in January.

[41:34] So, it's going to have to be before it's going to have to be started on

[41:39] immediately to have that ready to go. >> Put that on there.

[41:44] » And is that going to be possible? Is that a great question?

[41:47] » That would be a great question. We never posed that particular question

[41:51] to him. 6 million4.

[41:57] » It's underneath your cursor.

[42:04] » And [clears throat] this data was from when does it have a date?

[42:06] » It says on the top um

[42:14] » says county sales tax estimate updated with pay 25.

[42:18] » Yes, that's 25.

[42:23] And that's what we've been given all along.

[42:26] » So that number is the most current that we have. And if that ends at the end of

[42:30] the year, that's the most current we have. Then it's half that number. That's

[42:32] what my motion says. >> Yep.

[42:40] » We include that in the motion so it's very clear. The estimate is 6 million

[42:43] 94. That would be three million. >> I think we need to have a number in

[42:47] that. >> Yeah. An estimated $3 million would be

[42:49] applied. >> Yeah. My only concern with this I'm not

[42:54] concerned about the amount. Uh I am concerned about our capability to get

[42:58] that listed on the tax post without coordinating with with our IT

[43:04] department. I believe the discussion when we first heard this was that

[43:08] treasurer and IT and the auditor were all prepared to do whichever whatever

[43:14] direction we decided to go. I may be overspeaking but I

[43:19] » that that's that's true. Although we didn't talk about This does that make

[43:23] sense? This is a little bit different. >> It could I don't think we actually

[43:27] talked about the time frame. That's that's all concerning.

[43:30] » It is a proprietary system that Craig designed. So I think um pretty confident

[43:35] he can but I haven't asked this if this throws any kind of a wrench. I suspect

[43:39] not request back in here if he's Yeah, he's around.

[43:48] » I think he'll probably tell us that that he can do it, but I would like to have

[43:51] Another

[43:55] [clears throat]

[44:00] state I have dramatics.

[44:19] » Morning, Amber. Morning. >> How are you?

[44:22] » I'm here. >> Good.

[44:33] Got more kids being kids. That's a good

[44:54] » We have a granddaughter being a little bit overly.

[44:58] » I could rather come back. >> Oh, I don't know. We are still live.

[45:06] » I can pass on what said. >> Well, that's [laughter]

[45:11] aware they were going to hear this.

[45:37] Mr. Chairman, I think I restated the proposition to Brandon or to Greg, but

[45:41] maybe somebody else would want to say to make sure I frame the issue correctly.

[45:44] » Okay. Yeah, we're just making sure that if we were to offer a property tax

[45:49] relief credit on the tax notices that are going out in January 2027, that that

[45:56] we would have the software capability to do that. That's a rather short time

[46:00] frame. We we have worked out the mechanics of that how that would

[46:04] actually be implemented implemented in software without going into a lot of

[46:08] detail. Basically, you know, we figure out the exact amounts per parcel and

[46:14] then an offsetting entry would be put into the aortionment table for each

[46:20] property record that reduces the the amount of tax on the appropriate line

[46:24] item. And then we would also be able to use that to identify on the tax notice

[46:29] that discount was applied because that's required by the loan too. So I I I think

[46:34] I feel confident that we're going to go for this.

[46:36] » So would you be just reducing the amount of

[46:39] total tax or would you be listing a credit line item credit?

[46:43] » Well, it would be it would be a credit. There would be a line

[46:47] item that it would be a negative amount in in the amount of the credit that

[46:50] that's would be on the aortionate record. So if we pull that back off and

[46:55] we also use that record to be able to determine uh when we're on the back end

[46:59] of it through through the the accounting system how that will all so I feel

[47:04] confident. >> Okay. Yeah. Thank you for that.

[47:08] » Any further questions? Send me something. I'm trying to get it

[47:13] out. >> Just unshare your screen and then they

[47:15] can't see it. Then you can get it open. There you go. Then you can have it open.

[47:32] So this would be an example. [clears throat]

[47:35] Yes.

[47:43] » Makes it much simpler.

[47:49] » Is is this the school part is broken out separately? Isn't it the application 245

[47:54] or is it just >> Yeah.

[47:57] of it would be fundy [clears throat]

[48:05] if that's what they that's what they're using.

[48:10] This one's a little bit different.

[48:24] That's what it would be there. or or if it's on.

[48:28] » So, did you figure out half of what our estimate is? The county sales tax

[48:33] estimate was a little over six million. What was the half? Just so you stay that

[48:37] in motion. Just a little over three million. Just Yeah.

[48:41] » I mean, the number was right there. >> It was. Yeah. I was just wondering if we

[48:44] had a >> 09433

[48:47] or something. Just wanting to include that in in the motion. That's not in the

[48:52] motion. 3,47,172

[48:58] to be exact. >> I mean, I was more comfortable with

[49:01] waiting for the actual, but I think this is a good alternative.

[49:07] » It it starts going forward. >> Yeah.

[49:11] » The you know, it the the pain that that the people that on the one side that

[49:17] that are going to feel are going to feel it right away. um the squeaky ones on

[49:22] the other side are going to also see something. So,

[49:28] but we all we still we have reserves there. I think I think it's I think it's

[49:32] an easy I don't think there's anything to really think too much about. We we're

[49:36] going to generate think our county has not generated much less if if any less

[49:42] sales taxes and I don't foresee it shutting off

[49:46] anytime soon.

[49:53] and discussion. Okay. [clears throat]

[49:56] Uh so the motion is that we will offer tax property tax relief to owner

[50:01] occupied starting in 2027 taxes uh which would be the 26 payable taxes

[50:07] in 27. Uh the amount will be approximately 3.147 million to be

[50:14] divided equally among all of the evaluation of the owner occupied.

[50:19] All those in favor say I. I. >> Any oppose? Nay. Motion carries.

[50:25] Wants to change my motion. >> Did I not get that right?

[50:30] » I didn't put a number. You added the number to me.

[50:32] » I was just >> But that would be the number if that's

[50:34] the most current estimate. Yes.

[50:40] » I'm sorry. I thought I said half of the half of the estimate which was 3.147.

[50:46] That is

[50:49] » uh let's see. Um Jasmine's here. >> Oh, Jasmine's here. Okay. Can uh we

[50:55] leave her enough time if we do that.

[51:02] » I don't think it will take long. >> We need to be boarded for that.

[51:06] » Yes. >> Let's move to recess.

[51:11] » Yes. Does the county commission convene as board?

[51:15] Been moved by Flatin, seconded by Tisdale to recess the county commission

[51:19] and convene a board of adjustment. All those in favor say I. Any oppose? Nay.

[51:23] I'll make a motion to approve the minutes from last meeting.

[51:26] » Second move by Flanigan, second by Homer to approve the minutes from the August

[51:32] 25th board of adjustment minutes. All those in favor say I.

[51:34] » I. Any oppose? Nay. >> Okay.

[51:39] We are joined by we have those in the packets.

[51:43] » I wasn't sure. >> I think we I think we got them printed

[51:45] before. >> Yes.

[51:51] » Thank you for joining us. >> Yeah. Thank you for having me.

[51:53] » Are we doing the catchment project first or you want the drain which

[51:59] » I'll probably just talk about it together. They're very much related. Um

[52:03] » just real quick I want to give a quick explanation. So, how these work? Um, we

[52:07] did receive two different um technical revisions, we'll call them.

[52:13] Um, one is for the false bottom lower sump tile drain tile installation and

[52:18] one is for the false bottom creek catchment project. So, how it works when

[52:22] we get these um the state expects me to have some sort of response to them. So,

[52:26] normally what we've done is if Bruce and I are comfortable with it, we'll go

[52:30] ahead and do it. Like the the drain tile one, we were pretty comfortable with it.

[52:33] We would have probably just done it, but because they had the other one, we

[52:37] decided to just put them both on the agenda. Um, and then that way once we're

[52:41] done with this, we usually take the minutes and we I will respond to the

[52:45] state. So, they have it in their record that it was within. So, that's kind of

[52:48] why you see two different things, but we'll respond together with the minutes

[52:52] when we go through the process. So, that's kind of just the general process

[52:55] today. >> Thank you.

[53:00] [clears throat] >> Um, so I'll kind of give you guys a

[53:02] little bit of background, but I was here last year. We talked about the selenium

[53:05] treatment plant that we put in. Um it's very successful. Um it's doing a good

[53:10] job. We uh have realized since we started treating there's a portion of

[53:15] water that we aren't catching. So we would like to try to catch that um for

[53:18] further treatment and that's essentially what both projects are supposed to do.

[53:23] So the first page of the handout just kind of gives you an overview just kind

[53:27] of get you a little bit sorted. Um but kind of you can see our our bottom

[53:32] treatment center up above the dam face. Um and then we've got an an upper sump

[53:37] which is our main catchment and then we had dug a lower sump in an effort to

[53:42] catch more water. Um and that's right near the pump house. So essentially what

[53:46] happens is the the lower sump catches water, sends it to the upper sump, the

[53:50] upper sump sends it back down to the pump house. Pump house pumps up uh we do

[53:56] have a holding pond which you can't see here to the holding pond. holding pond

[53:59] gravity feeds to the treatment facility and then we gravity feed and send it

[54:03] back to the creek after it's treated. So that's how it works now. Um but we've

[54:09] realized within the creek itself there is a portion of creek um upstream that

[54:13] is still flowing that we're unable to catch. And so what we'd like to do is

[54:18] two things. So, for one, we would like to install drain tile along um the

[54:24] length of our lower sump to sort of spread it out to

[54:28] try to catch some of that underground water that's flowing through. So, what

[54:32] that would do is it would catch that underground water, funnel it to the

[54:36] sump, and treat it from there. Um and then the second thing that we wanted to

[54:41] do is actually put a a catchment um in the creek. So the increte catchment is a

[54:48] little bit more highly regulated to be perfectly honest. We're working with the

[54:52] Army Corps of Engineers um and with both projects we're working with the Danner

[54:57] um the mines group of the Danner but also um the surface water division,

[55:02] water rights division um [clears throat] and groundwater actually. So I've been

[55:09] working with all of those groups and we're working through it. Um, and

[55:12] essentially this is kind of the plan forward to get more of that water to be

[55:16] able to treat it for

[55:20] » any questions that was. >> Yeah, this is all at the toe of the

[55:24] historic um facility.

[55:27] » Yep. The the selenium actually comes from historical tailings from V

[55:31] Mountain. Thank you, Tim. Um, and so, you know, we inherited that property

[55:36] pretty many [clears throat] years ago and so now we're just trying to clean it

[55:39] up and and make it right. So the catchment pond is in the creek.

[55:44] It >> is in the creek.

[55:45] » So the creek's just going to flow in and allow the

[55:49] » to settle out is essentially what you're trying to do.

[55:51] » Well, actually it's gonna it's going to funnel the water into one area and then

[55:55] it's going to get pumped up to the pump. >> Yep. And so um it's designed it's not

[56:02] huge. Uh I want to say it's about 40 by 80. Um so it's not huge. That area is

[56:07] fairly small footprint anyway. But what it's designed to do is sort of um dig

[56:12] that metal out to allow all of the water to funnel in there. And then we've got

[56:16] um sort of a wall um built in. I guess it's

[56:21] sheet pilings is what it's called. And so they'll drill sheet pilings in to

[56:25] create that wall [clears throat] and so the water can funnel up and then from

[56:29] there we'll catch it with it up. We did double check this area. It's not

[56:34] actually in the flood plane. It's a it's not a named flood plane area. So even

[56:39] though there's water there, so they don't have to go through anything with

[56:43] like our flood plane development process.

[56:45] » Okay. >> It's not a name.

[56:47] » Is it not a live stream? [clears throat] >> Um it's is it always live? I mean I

[56:52] would say sometimes. Yeah. It's not an active.

[56:55] » It used to be seasonal and right now we're seeing it pretty consistently. Um

[56:59] right now we're pumping up about I think going through the bot lane is at the

[57:03] bottom towards the end and I think we're getting like 10 15 gallons a minute.

[57:07] It's pretty low right now. At least you just I think this is all

[57:12] within the permit area as well, right? >> It is. It's all within the permit

[57:15] boundary. Um we did have one discussion with the Forest Service, I guess, and we

[57:21] did get a letter and I think that >> that should have been in your stuff. Um

[57:25] the Forest Service basically has said they don't ever sign the waivers like

[57:29] the 500 foot buffer waivers. We've never had them sign them and they kind of

[57:33] said, "Well, we don't really want to start now." So, but they recognized it.

[57:38] They know that it's within their 500 foot of the Forest Service boundary and

[57:43] they were fine with it. So, we did double check with them just to make sure

[57:46] because we have to prove that we made contact and

[57:50] » we did notice. >> Yep.

[57:56] » And we actually he did kind of send an email. It basically said we prefer not

[58:00] to sign it. Like, okay, I'll just put that on the record.

[58:04] » Sorry, Mr. um they're required by federal law to to

[58:11] process selenium and that's a relatively new 20 years I think they changed by a

[58:15] factor of 10 the tolerance on selenium because about the time they built the

[58:19] one in Gville or down there by central city that plant um they're just trying

[58:25] to collect more water to to handle what's a naturally occurring substance

[58:30] under the sort of ground is to collect that I don't I don't see any issue at

[58:34] all they're trying to trying make improve on what they're already doing

[58:37] » the design change. >> Do we need a motion? Is there any

[58:41] accept? I'll make a motion. >> Usually you just Yeah, you accept the

[58:44] report and then that I will send the notice and the minutes to DNR for the

[58:49] technical revision. That's normally what you guys think. I just um

[58:54] » you found it right >> to support the technical revision on the

[58:58] bottom for some drain tile installation and then [clears throat]

[59:04] also the revision on the false bottom creek catch.

[59:10] » That was my motion.

[59:16] I'll second. It's been moved by seconded by uh commer to accept the report for

[59:21] the both catchment and also the drain tile.

[59:25] » Any other questions or discussion? All those in favor say I.

[59:29] » Any oppose? Nay. >> Okay.

[59:31] » Thank you. >> Thank you. I will get it sent soon as we

[59:34] get the minutes.

[59:40] » Always

[59:45] we have a public hearing at 9:00 meeting.

[59:57] » We might as well just uh let's go back into the county commission and we'll

[1:00:00] take a five minute break. I'll move to recess.

[1:00:06] Second and moved by Flanigan, seconded by Tisdale to recess as board of

[1:00:11] adjustment reconvene as county commission. All those in favor say I.

[1:00:15] Oppose. Okay. Okay. We'll take a 4m minute break and pick back up.

[1:00:20] » You saw your >> She said make sure you add it to

[1:00:23] Thursday's packet. >> Okay.

[1:00:25] » That's what it was from. >> Okay. Wherever you

[1:04:58] Thank you. All right, we will come back to order and this is the time and place

[1:05:03] for a public meeting concerning the fiveyear county highway and bridge plan.

[1:05:13] » Mr. Bay, would you like to fill us in on what we're doing? Okay. Well,

[1:05:20] state requirement that we have to uh submit a five-year road and bridge plan

[1:05:26] and this is uh to be eligible for any grants uh namely the big grant for

[1:05:33] bridge improvement.

[1:05:37] A couple of the requirements for the five-year plan is that we have, you

[1:05:40] know, the county has to implement a wheel tax, which we have, and also adopt

[1:05:48] of the five-year road and bridge improvement plan. This plan is exactly

[1:05:54] what it says. It's merely a plan. It's not a written in stone. It's not a

[1:05:59] requirement. It's a budgeting tool. It is also a tool to put in order

[1:06:04] [clears throat] what structures or what projects we're

[1:06:08] gonna we're going to do in the in a in a time frame. If we're going to get any

[1:06:14] kind of funding through the state or federal government, we have to have this

[1:06:18] in place and it also has to be adopted [clears throat]

[1:06:23] by by the commission. We'll be putting uh once we're done here, we'll uh put it

[1:06:29] together into their format information. the information provided.

[1:06:34] We have signatures of people attended, the five-year plan, and any kind of

[1:06:38] input that any any people in the public want to submit. We have to have that

[1:06:44] turned in to the state by October the 15th. We also are required to notify our

[1:06:51] our township people, which we have in attendance today. And uh

[1:07:01] you note that they were also present. With that being said, they are excited.

[1:07:07] We're just going to we'll go through the five-year plan. Again, I want to clarify

[1:07:13] that when you see these dollar amounts listed, these are these are estimates

[1:07:18] for projects. And as the further out in the five years go, [clears throat] those

[1:07:23] estimates are they're going to become less accurate. It's a little hard to to

[1:07:28] determine the cost of things five years down the road. All of these numbers are

[1:07:33] I'll tell you right now, they're on the high end and then [clears throat]

[1:07:36] there's a percentage added for every year going into the five years. So

[1:07:42] to start with in 2027 on our 5-year plan, we have the asphalt mill and

[1:07:47] overlay the the last section of the Nemo Road.

[1:07:52] We also have roughly 10 miles of chip seal. We have a little more chip seal on

[1:07:58] the in 27 than we normally have, but we also are trying to get caught back up.

[1:08:03] We had that little problem. We took some chip seal off for budget reasons and

[1:08:07] then we, if you remember, our chip seal people didn't show up last year. So,

[1:08:12] we're going to try to get back on track with our chip seal. And then again, this

[1:08:16] provided the budget allows. This is not a budget. This is just to

[1:08:21] help us with our budget. So, if it's on this list, doesn't necessarily mean we

[1:08:26] have to do it because the budget still dictates what we're going to do in

[1:08:30] coming year. Um, [clears throat] we also have route and crack seal 3.63 miles of

[1:08:38] the Nemo Road to get ahead of a chip seal. route and crack seal one mile of

[1:08:43] the Kirk City road going in line with the section that we

[1:08:49] just route and crack sealed and that will get that whole road ready to chip

[1:08:54] seal. Um as always we have on here to gravel 20.5 miles of road fluoride 120

[1:09:00] miles of road striping 85 miles of road and the replacement and repairs of

[1:09:06] culprits and small bridges. We also have on here and this is what the state's

[1:09:09] more interested And that would be our bridge construction. Um this will for 27

[1:09:16] we're we have grants in place for the two Nemo structures and those will be

[1:09:22] those will be constructed in 2027. [clears throat] We also have on here the

[1:09:28] uh the bridge on the Whitewood service

[1:09:31] road. That's a local federal grant that's in place. Um I believe that

[1:09:36] bridge is again it it got delayed again. We're now hoping that in November it

[1:09:41] goes to a bid ready. So I guess we'll see.

[1:09:46] Um and also on our 27 plan would be applied for a construction grant uh for

[1:09:53] the west highway 14. In 28 we have an asphalt mill and

[1:09:58] overlay and this would be for the section of road that on the Nemo road

[1:10:02] that we left out because of base stabilization issues. Um, so that's

[1:10:08] on there to be taken care of in 2028 if needed.

[1:10:13] We are also got um roughly 14 miles of chip seal, I'm sorry, 18 miles of chip

[1:10:21] seal on for 28 uh route and crack seal another section of the Nemo Road and get

[1:10:26] it ready for chip seal. Route and crack seal 4.558 miles of the St. Non road and

[1:10:33] have it ready for a chip seal. Again, the graveling of 20.5 miles of road,

[1:10:40] chloriting of 121 miles road, striping of 85 miles of pavement, replacing a

[1:10:45] pair of small structures, and then to build

[1:10:50] build a new bridge on the on West 14 pending the grant if we get a grant in

[1:10:57] the [clears throat] replacement of small structure. This would be a part of the

[1:11:00] RA program. uh in 2029 that wraith program sunsets and we have to either uh

[1:11:06] use the money for a for a project that qualifies or we have to give the money

[1:11:11] back to the state. I believe our last amount we have is 117,000 in that fund.

[1:11:17] I believe >> it's a little bit more than that.

[1:11:19] » A little bit more than that. So >> in that area,

[1:11:24] » we are eligible to use that fund on county secondary roads only for small

[1:11:30] structures only. We don't have very many that qualify,

[1:11:34] but we have a couple and we have identified these two projects and that

[1:11:37] would be the a culvert on the Kirk Road that would be

[1:11:41] on the the Louis end of the Kirk Road. Um we have a

[1:11:48] small structure there that's it's pretty narrow and the bottom is also rusting

[1:11:52] out. We also have down on the Bulgar Creek Road, we have a low water crossing

[1:11:57] where there's some cracking and [clears throat]

[1:11:59] some uh delamination of the concrete approach. So those would be the two

[1:12:04] projects we've identified that qualify for the rate fund and that is in our

[1:12:09] 2028, giving us a little time if we have to move them to 29, we can still use

[1:12:16] those funds. And then also on 28 we're we would like

[1:12:21] to apply for a grant the PE grant for uh the camp comfort structure.

[1:12:28] Now I will note that we are in our uh in our bridge inventory. We're down to only

[1:12:33] eight structures that are in poor condition and four of them are currently

[1:12:38] in the process of being replaced. That would be the two Nemo bridges, the

[1:12:42] Elmore bridge and the uh Whitewood Service Road bridge. Uh the they're both

[1:12:47] federal high those Elmore and Whitewood Surf Short are federal local federal

[1:12:52] highway. Those are in place. The work just hasn't been done. Those four

[1:12:56] bridges are funded. They're in the program and they'll that'll get us down

[1:13:00] to four four bridges that are in poor poor condition which are are reflected

[1:13:05] in this 5-year plan. So in 2029 [clears throat]

[1:13:09] we have an asphalt mill overlay of the upper valley road asphalt mill and

[1:13:14] overlay of west highway 14 for the one mile within city limits

[1:13:21] chip seal 4.58 miles of stage chip seal 3.63 63 miles of the Nemo Road. Route

[1:13:26] crack seal another section of the Nemo Road. route and crack seal 3.58 miles of

[1:13:32] acorn ridge again regravel 20.5 miles of gravel road night 121.5 miles of gravel

[1:13:40] road striping of 85 miles of pavement the replacement and repairs of small

[1:13:45] bridges and struct structures and then apply for the PE grant for 41 239 259

[1:13:52] which is a the last of our box beam bridges and that's down by the benchmark

[1:13:57] road on the Nemo

[1:14:02] Some of these bridges are also pending our our uh inspection that was conducted

[1:14:07] this year. We don't have that yet. We don't have the results.

[1:14:14] And also apply for a big construction grant on that camp for one that we the

[1:14:18] previous year that grant application. So that takes us to 20 2030 and again we're

[1:14:23] getting a little further out so things are starting to change. You'll notice

[1:14:26] the dollar amounts get less and less and the projects become less and less. So um

[1:14:32] chip seal 3.63 miles of the Nemo road, chip seal and fog seal 3.58 miles of a

[1:14:37] camper ridge road and crack seal 3.63 miles of the Nemo road route track seal

[1:14:43] another section of 4.8 8 miles of the binocular

[1:14:47] regravel 20 m of gravel road mag fluoride 121 miles of gravel road

[1:14:53] striping 85 miles of pavement replace and repair culverts and small bridges

[1:14:58] preservation of the the deck on the yellow creek road. This is a bridge that

[1:15:03] [clears throat] it is actually one of our bridges that's

[1:15:06] in poor condition but it does not it does not meet any requirement for a

[1:15:10] grant. It's It's in too poor shape and too old to qualify for a

[1:15:18] preservation grant, but it's not load posted and it's not in bad enough

[1:15:22] condition to warrant a replacement. It's in the middle right now. Again, we'll

[1:15:28] see how our our our bridge inspection has come in this year. We did in house

[1:15:34] last year. We did kind of our poor man's overlay. We did our own preservation on

[1:15:38] it. So far, holding [clears throat] up well. I'm kind of excited to see how

[1:15:44] that turns out with the uh the inspection to see what they thought of

[1:15:47] it, but I'll let you know. But it is also on our on our plan to uh to do some

[1:15:55] sort of preservation on that bridge. It's a lot of traffic. It's a lot of

[1:15:58] heavy traffic. we [clears throat] can get that

[1:16:03] if we can get that repaired before it fails or because before it gets to a

[1:16:07] point where it needs replaced, I think that would be a win for everybody in the

[1:16:10] county. So, uh it is in our five-year plan. So, if funding does change and

[1:16:15] becomes eligible, we'll it will be ready.

[1:16:20] Um we also have in 30 uh u

[1:16:27] to build and construct the bridge on the camp comfort pending the grant that we

[1:16:31] applied for the previous year and apply for a construction grant for for that

[1:16:37] box beam bridge on the Nemo and that takes us down to 2031 and that

[1:16:42] is to pave 1.5 miles of the Mland Road from Christensen Drive to Forest Park.

[1:16:49] Pave 1.44 miles of Hill Street and North Titan Road. Pave 1.6 miles of Mcwigan

[1:16:55] Road. Chip seal 3.63 miles of the Ne Road. Chip seal and boil 4.8 miles of

[1:17:01] the Knock Canyon Road. Proud and crack seal 9.5 miles of road. We don't have

[1:17:06] the roads identified at this time. So it'll be just on our pavement condition

[1:17:11] list as how those will fall out in the future.

[1:17:17] Regravel 20.5 miles of road. Manclorate 125 or 121.5

[1:17:23] miles of gravel road strike pavement mark 85 miles of pavement. Replace and

[1:17:28] repair culverts on small bridges and build new bridge 41, 239, 259 on the new

[1:17:33] road pending a big present or a big replacement.

[1:17:38] And that is the end of the fiveyear plan. I have also included for your

[1:17:44] review our gravel plan. We have changed quite a little on our gravel plan where

[1:17:49] we are to the point where we are our 10-year gravel plan is

[1:17:55] I would say not as necessary. We are now to the point our gravel roads

[1:18:00] are in a condition where we can do these on a as needed basis.

[1:18:06] I think we're to the point where we don't have to do 4 in lifts on our

[1:18:09] gravel roads. We have some roads that are going to always require a 4-in lift

[1:18:13] because the amount of traffic and the amount of snow plowing they get, but a

[1:18:17] lot of our gravel roads are to the point where we're going to be able to do 2 in

[1:18:21] really reduce the amount of gravel. So, in our five-year plan where we list that

[1:18:26] 20 miles, that's going to be there's going to be a lot of adjustments to that

[1:18:30] coming, a lot of savings in our gravel program. I do have though our our tenure

[1:18:36] our dead our tenure gravel plan. just it's a good tool to have to we know when

[1:18:42] they were last traveled. We can keep an assessment of their condition and then

[1:18:46] we'll go forward back. From now on we're doing our gravel

[1:18:50] more on a a needed basis as opposed to just it's their turn. So I know yeah

[1:18:57] just question there was some minimum maintenance roads

[1:19:02] on here. Yep. >> And so those are just kind of as needed

[1:19:05] I assume. Absolutely needed. >> Yep. Mr. Ala Jar John, you were I think

[1:19:10] you're working with South Dakota State and they're looking at your your gra

[1:19:13] you're an example of a coming at your gravel roads. Is that right?

[1:19:17] [clears throat] >> That's correct.

[1:19:18] » And um are they are they impressed with how your roads

[1:19:22] » Well, they're using uh they're using the Mland road. They're they're uh doing

[1:19:27] [clears throat] a gravel quality study on that. They came and take course

[1:19:30] samples twice now. um South Dakota State University with the South Dakota

[1:19:36] Department of Transportation. They're trying to come up with a uh

[1:19:40] a quarry gravel specification for road surfacing which doesn't exist. And uh

[1:19:47] they're using our roads because we have such an abundance of quarry gravel and

[1:19:52] we exclusively use quarry nearly exclusively use quarry gravel and uh

[1:19:59] yeah they are impressed. That road has been holding up well. They've came done

[1:20:05] several tests, durometer testing, poor samples, and [clears throat]

[1:20:12] and ride quality testing. We'll see how that plays out. It's a two-year test, a

[1:20:17] two-year study. >> Didn't you say part of that's because of

[1:20:22] the chloride, magnesium chloride using our case? For sure. We our extens our

[1:20:29] extensive use of chloride is something that they're very interested in. Not

[1:20:33] many counties in the state use chloride to the extent we I know it gets a lot of

[1:20:38] negative and positive feedback, but uh the uh the inconveniences are certainly

[1:20:45] outweighed by the performance of the of those roads.

[1:20:50] I just ask one question just to follow up on Corey gravel. Could you explain

[1:20:53] what corey gravel is versus other kinds of gravel? So pory gravel is you have

[1:20:59] gravel pits aluvial type gravel glacial type gravel that's just dug up

[1:21:05] uh screened on occasion crushed to to get it to a

[1:21:10] size determined and it's mixed with the the natural binder that's in that that

[1:21:15] type of soil or gravel is it's ledge rock that is drilled blasted and crushed

[1:21:22] and the crusher fines are what become the binder in those materials. Um, it

[1:21:28] they have they both have a their different uses, but as far as a a road

[1:21:33] surfacing, quarry gravel is not normally used. It's uh it's been considered over

[1:21:40] the years a [clears throat] softer type material. It it is also considered a

[1:21:44] type of material that um it doesn't have binders, so it's just

[1:21:50] loose gravel, loose rock to see. Well, Lawrence County found a way to to make

[1:21:57] or gravel work for surface material. It does require the use of chloride, but it

[1:22:02] takes a cementation process and it becomes a hard surface that stays in

[1:22:07] place. Um I I believe some of the majority of our livesto travel is harder

[1:22:14] than a lot in the [clears throat] state. But um this study that we're that the

[1:22:18] state is doing and that South Dakota State University is doing is taking in

[1:22:22] account is working with granite materials, quartzite materials and

[1:22:27] limestone. So I think it's in the eastern northeastern part of the state

[1:22:32] they're using I believe it's the port site in the south eastern part of the

[1:22:36] state they're using the uh the uh I guess the granite

[1:22:43] we we're the test for the limestone >> I was just going to go back to the the

[1:22:49] way you know fiveyear plan has worked it's it's I wouldn't say it's exactly a

[1:22:54] wish list but that's kind of what it is what people starting stuff which has

[1:22:59] come up in the past. Paving of Mland Paving and paving those bins. That's an

[1:23:05] ideal. We'd like to get to that, but it might be 2031. It might be 2039. It

[1:23:11] might be It just depends on how things could be sooner, could be later. That's

[1:23:15] the further down that list, the less >> well accurate that is.

[1:23:19] » I don't I just Is that true? >> That is true. And I

[1:23:23] just for clarification and transparency, I moved those two projects to the end of

[1:23:29] the list. They they've been up further and they we just move them back. It all

[1:23:35] depends on funding. Just because it's on this list, like you just described it as

[1:23:39] a wish list, does not mean it gets to it happens. It's on the list and it's on

[1:23:44] the list for the reason that if if funding becomes available through the

[1:23:48] state and we try to get a gr for any of these projects, it has to be on this

[1:23:54] list. So for the [clears throat] majority, it's bridges. That's their

[1:23:59] main focus. But if there is any paving type of grants available, any kind of

[1:24:05] [clears throat] the safe streets for all type grants,

[1:24:08] which is a federal grant, you have to have it in some sort of a

[1:24:12] five-year plan or master transportation plan. Some of these came from our master

[1:24:16] transportation plan that we just did a couple years ago. So, it has to be in

[1:24:20] our our our plan or or it's not eligible. It can be updated at any time,

[1:24:27] but if there's anything in there that you'd like to add or delete,

[1:24:31] if it's simple, just tell me and we'll do it. But, uh, at this time, if it's

[1:24:35] not in this plan, we're not eligible for the for the programs.

[1:24:39] » Mr. Homer, >> I think this is great information. Um,

[1:24:43] particularly when you start talking about the tons that are required to do

[1:24:46] this type of work and the associated with that. I was wondering those

[1:24:51] tonnages, you're not including the tonnage of gravel that's going into the

[1:24:54] pavement [clears throat] projects or anything like that.

[1:24:57] » That's just gravel. >> Yeah, that's just gravel. So I I mean if

[1:25:00] I was to look at that again, I think that would be an important one so people

[1:25:04] understand the amount of material that goes into you know 31 the miles that are

[1:25:09] going out for paving repavement or whatever because that's material needs

[1:25:14] in the county. >> Great job.

[1:25:18] Okay. Do you have a question? >> No. [clears throat]

[1:25:20] » Okay. >> I have also included our five-year

[1:25:23] equipment plan based on roughly a $400,000

[1:25:27] per year uh budget for equipment and we have changed that a little bit of that.

[1:25:34] I know 27 for our budget we had we've moved the truck up because we had

[1:25:39] recently lost a truck in an accident. Excuse me. And then we also switched

[1:25:44] around a mini excavator with an owner. We don't own a mini excavator at this

[1:25:49] time, but we see the value in owning mini excavator. We've been renting

[1:25:54] excavators a lot lately. A mini would be a little bit smaller than what we've

[1:25:59] been renting, but I I believe it would be very beneficial for us to own that.

[1:26:05] Um the rest of our fiveyear equipment plan is is

[1:26:09] see what's there. Our equipment's good, but it's

[1:26:14] [clears throat] it's best to keep proactive and keep our equipment stay on

[1:26:18] the warranty program. Um, I don't have anything else in this

[1:26:23] 5-year plan. It's pretty dry material, but uh but it's necessary to to present

[1:26:31] it. I would be looking for a motion to have the chairman sign this. Um, you

[1:26:37] guys have anything you would like to change?

[1:26:40] I can certainly wait and change [clears throat] it. If you'd like to do

[1:26:44] a you'd like something changed and then review it or if you're fine with the way

[1:26:49] it is, this is how I will submit it to the state.

[1:26:58] Second all everybody

[1:27:05] motion and comr second to approve the fiveyear plan as presented and and

[1:27:10] authorize. [clears throat] Any other questions? All those in favor

[1:27:14] say I. Any oppose? Nay. Okay. Motion carries. Thank you, John.

[1:27:19] » Thank you.

[1:27:36] public hearing.

[1:27:42] » Yeah, we're probably just have to take another recess here for a few minutes.

[1:27:45] We have a public hearing at 9:30 that we have to be on time for.

[1:33:42] All

[1:33:50] right, it is 9:30. We'll come back to order. It is 9:30 [clears throat] and

[1:33:54] time. This is the time and place for a public hearing for the 2027 budget.

[1:34:01] Do you have any presentation on this? I can just say that they did receive the

[1:34:07] um centrally assessed property from the state have entered it. Um the values um

[1:34:14] from the centrally assessed property for um

[1:34:19] overall um went down 1,34,915

[1:34:25] [clears throat] and the um just the fire protection district went down $510,687.

[1:34:33] So the budget that I um published in the paper um had a mill of 2.833

[1:34:41] entering in um this preliminarily um moved it to 2.834.

[1:34:47] So that was the difference by the decrease of the centrally

[1:34:51] [clears throat] assessed property. So other than that that is um all I have to

[1:34:56] report. Everything else is um stays the same.

[1:35:00] » Okay. Uh being this is a public hearing, we invite any public comment that you

[1:35:05] have. If you would like to make a comment on the budget and we just ask

[1:35:08] that you stand and state your name and address [clears throat] or so we capture

[1:35:12] the minutes. Anybody in the gallery here?

[1:35:16] Is anybody online that would have to make a comment on the 2027 budget?

[1:35:25] Seeing none, I will close the public hearing.

[1:35:33] Notice that we had no comments yet. It's >> interesting that we uh know the budget

[1:35:39] is what really affects the property taxes, but we've not had any comments

[1:35:43] concerns about the whole process as we >> Mr. Chair.

[1:35:47] » Yes. >> Um so the idea would be to take no

[1:35:49] action today other than public hearing and then present it to you at your next

[1:35:52] meeting I think on the 22nd for ultimate approval.

[1:35:56] [clears throat] keeping track at home. >> Thank you all very much.

[1:36:00] » I will also add that we are doing this today uh on the first Tuesday of

[1:36:05] September to comply with state statute for public hearings for [clears throat]

[1:36:10] which is why we had to move the meeting to a different time.

[1:36:15] All right, with that we can move back into board of adjustment.

[1:36:18] » Motion to recess as county commission and reconvene as adjustment.

[1:36:25] » Moved by Flanigan, seconded by Tisdale to recess as county commission and

[1:36:28] reconvene as board of adjustment. All those in favor say I.

[1:36:32] » Oppose nay. >> Okay.

[1:36:34] » Uh Jeff, are you setting this up? >> I am. Good morning. Um we're going to do

[1:36:39] the annual review for CP 498, which is the Larsson pit. I have Bill and Brian

[1:36:45] from Cole here to uh answer any questions or whatever you might have.

[1:36:51] Um, as you aware, we've had a couple complaints. We had one on the 3rd of

[1:36:56] August. It was a kind of wind came up and they couldn't get it shut down. I

[1:37:02] sent you all the information, the response patrol and how that worked. Um,

[1:37:07] we had another one later in the month that was more of a uh question. wanted

[1:37:11] to know how how the trucks were weighed because they notic they weren't using

[1:37:14] scale at the time and so once we found out they were doing the bucket weighing

[1:37:20] um that seemed to answer the question and took care of that. Um we did get two

[1:37:26] more uh complaints yesterday. This is from Sunday and I sent those to you uh

[1:37:32] when that sudden outburst of wind came up that 245. It was National Weather

[1:37:39] Service measured it at 52 miles an hour downtown Spearfish.

[1:37:43] Um, of course the wind blew real fast and real hard. Didn't last long. I did

[1:37:48] forward to them guys and I forward to you guys for that. Other than that, we

[1:37:53] believe they're following all the conditions. Um, what one of the

[1:37:57] conditions the final ones is that for the first year they're allowed to do

[1:38:00] 150,000 K. Um the commission has the option to

[1:38:06] raise that if they wish up to 250k according to the conditions. So with

[1:38:13] that I'll turn it over to uh [clears throat] Bill and Brian

[1:38:18] Brian Martin. I'm from 685 Denver valley roads Wyoming

[1:38:24] here to answer any questions or concerns that you have. the uh we ceased

[1:38:29] operations at the pit on last Thursday. We wanted a drone fly. We knew we were

[1:38:37] getting close, so we flew with a drone. Then we took the tonnages that we had

[1:38:44] run across the scale and come up with around 141,000 per 100 15,000.

[1:38:50] So we just thought, well, that'd be a good stopping point. So on Friday, we're

[1:38:57] pull [clears throat] starts pulling conveyors out

[1:39:04] two the dust complaints come from basically you really quick wind events

[1:39:10] they were running the first time they were running and front must come

[1:39:17] through kick a bunch of dust off of the come off the crusher also and off the

[1:39:22] large base course pile and when you're running a crusher You can't just turn

[1:39:27] the key off. That's the cycleer. All our crushers are plugged up with lock. Takes

[1:39:34] a long time to clean them out. You have to clean them up by hand and it's

[1:39:36] dangerous. So, it takes a while to get those pressures clean and then they shut

[1:39:41] off. I was notified honestly by one of your commissioners said it's getting

[1:39:45] dusty here. So, I called the foreman and he said we shut off. He said we just got

[1:39:51] a sight. So then they went and got water and

[1:39:57] watered the pile. If you look at at our reports, I put in

[1:40:04] a wage report for the men and we work 410.

[1:40:09] Uh that's what we've worked forever. There's some comments on Facebook that

[1:40:13] it's taken us longer to I think I told them it's going to take two to three

[1:40:17] months. taking us the whole three because we're running 410s and you look

[1:40:23] at our time about 25% of our run time is stopped because of the environmental

[1:40:30] events. So we effectively shut down that is

[1:40:34] shown on our report that we sent from you that we

[1:40:39] got. [clears throat] So we've hauled a little over Yeah.

[1:40:44] Right. So we hauled over 400,000 gallons of water for best suppression out there.

[1:40:51] We have put

[1:40:56] calcium chloride on the hall roads.

[1:41:02] Put uh seismographs. They contract blasting

[1:41:08] blasting company that does it. They put seismographs out and the only meeting

[1:41:14] that you get are within 2,000 [clears throat] ft of blast. You

[1:41:19] get out to around 3,000 ft. It doesn't even trigger the size of grass.

[1:41:25] We did requiring us requires us to do the

[1:41:30] [clears throat] sampling. Bill's the smart one of the two of us.

[1:41:35] He's the environmental. So anyway, he uh MSR required has started requiring us to

[1:41:41] do [clears throat]

[1:41:43] surveys on on the silica exposure, the crushing operations and it shows in here

[1:41:50] that there is no silica in the dust at this point. So it's highlighted in

[1:41:56] your packets. So you hear comments it's an independent agency that reports to we

[1:42:02] have to give the report to MH so it is legit

[1:42:08] will not

[1:42:14] » did I understand that Friday this last Friday when you shut down that you guys

[1:42:18] had watered the big uh the big pile before you left but and you did try to

[1:42:23] suppress it with water. >> Yeah. and it evaporates and we aren't

[1:42:27] working now Friday, Saturday, Sunday. last Friday we did.

[1:42:33] So Saturday and Sunday there's no one at the pit and next year you know now I

[1:42:39] invite you guys to come out and see it but we've got a hit there now that's

[1:42:42] establish it's on one side is 40 ft deep the other side is 30 ft or so and it's

[1:42:48] probably about an acre in size maybe a little bit longer bigger but our

[1:42:52] intention is next time to put the the base course andor the

[1:42:59] fine pile in the hole because the South is what was the bar

[1:43:06] this year starting from scratch. Had to go somewhere.

[1:43:12] » Brian, you mentioned the error sampling report. I didn't have it up. Is this

[1:43:15] what you were referring to? >> Yes. And if you go down here, it's

[1:43:18] highlighted. And this is kind of a kind of nice know that all your I would

[1:43:24] expect.

[1:43:29] I know that was a big thing at the previous year. So that so all the

[1:43:34] neighbors can eas

[1:43:48] [clears throat]

[1:44:02] Well, you said it takes a while to cycle through the crushing equipment. How long

[1:44:06] does it take to cycle through when you shut?

[1:44:08] » I would say honestly 15 20 minutes. Yeah, because you got you got a big pop

[1:44:13] of SP just slowly feeds and then it goes from one pressure to the next pressure

[1:44:18] next and each point you know it takes a long time that last

[1:44:26] » I was up there the day that she wind what I'd call it up there I was raking

[1:44:31] hay and then my hay disappeared and and I I think you and I did visit but I went

[1:44:37] over there and I thought it was about 10 minutes it took to unload everything and

[1:44:40] shut down and uh

[1:44:44] I do own the property right next to it and I haven't had any dust on my place.

[1:44:48] So I think all in all you guys have done an

[1:44:52] excellent job. Russia flag. I'm >> one of the first jobs I had up at up at

[1:44:58] Homestake was sitting in the [clears throat] in the in the head

[1:45:00] frame. And I can tell you what, when those things shut off and you got to

[1:45:03] clean it by hand, it is the most miserable thing you can do. Whether it's

[1:45:07] 20 below in the winter time or it's 90 degrees in the summertime, it's not

[1:45:11] above. >> That stuff can freeze in the pocket.

[1:45:17] » You might have to blast it out then. >> Yeah.

[1:45:24] when you break the rock that the jaw doesn't swing in

[1:45:34] that's the view from chairman from I think the cedar subdivision see

[1:45:42] the view

[1:45:45] we're out there yesterday west >> yeah which file do you propose to down

[1:45:52] in the pit. >> The big white one.

[1:45:54] » The base course, right, Brian? >> Yeah, the base course. The big one you

[1:45:56] see. >> That's the only one I've ever seen any

[1:45:59] dust >> above the pit itself.

[1:46:04] » We have nowhere else to put. So, it's on probably the worst.

[1:46:11] You put it in the hole.

[1:46:15] » That's true. >> And there would be enough space there

[1:46:18] even if we raise the limits. Mr. Um, just a note, this is one of the

[1:46:24] subdivision roads in the vicinity there. We're driving on going the speed limit

[1:46:28] and that's how dusty that was. I tried to get out and casually

[1:46:32] time I could get out the situation. The roads are point is the roads are dusty

[1:46:36] too far. It's been very dry. >> It is.

[1:46:39] » Yeah, that's not the county road.

[1:46:49] » Any other questions for Mr.

[1:46:55] Okay, thank you.

[1:47:08] » Unless you want to change the tonnage. >> Well, I Mr. Chairman,

[1:47:13] » I thought we already established that when we set all this up that the

[1:47:16] following year they go to 250. I thought that was already established. condition

[1:47:21] said I have it actually yes and no um it says maximum of 150k tons mined in the

[1:47:29] first year with no significant issues and then we'll be allowed to increase to

[1:47:33] 250 tons the second year and thereafter subject to all the conditions thereafter

[1:47:38] so as long as you prove it as a a favorable review has no significant

[1:47:46] issues so that's correct depends on how significant issues

[1:47:55] We've not had any formal written complaints or

[1:47:59] » we've had three four well >> four

[1:48:02] » signed by people. >> Yes. Yes.

[1:48:05] » Yeah. I was unaware of that. >> If I may. The first one was a

[1:48:07] significant wind event. The next one was from a week or two ago questioning

[1:48:10] whether the scale was being used. And then there was the two over the weekend.

[1:48:14] So I think there's four total this past weekend. Yes.

[1:48:22] But how do you deal for those wind those both of those wind events where

[1:48:28] I mean they just come up? Nobody can plan for that.

[1:48:36] Did the dust reach the road? I think that's the question that I have. Did the

[1:48:40] dust stay on the on the Larsson property or did it see the boundaries? The first

[1:48:46] wind I was up there, the dust did not reach the road and as far as I know, it

[1:48:52] was all right there on the Larsson property

[1:48:56] that I'm aware of. I didn't get any over on my side. I was busy chasing.

[1:49:01] » I don't I don't have the one of the uh complaints from this weekend available

[1:49:05] right at hand, but I think the complaint was it was on the road, I think, wasn't

[1:49:09] it? I think >> what was stated yet? I think I can pull

[1:49:13] it up, but I don't have it right there. >> I think my Amazon package was in the

[1:49:16] neighbor's house and that's 300 feet from my driveway where it was sitting.

[1:49:23] » It just everything just disappeared. >> Mr. Chairman, we were out there. I think

[1:49:28] as Brian confirmed, they did try to water I think on Friday before they

[1:49:31] left, but it's dry and windy. >> 24% humidity that water stay

[1:49:39] » and we have we have followed up on complaint and they've been very

[1:49:42] responsive each and every time. >> Commissioner F, I I guess my my opinion

[1:49:48] would be to leave it again for another year, but

[1:49:51] the board that's take no action at this time, but

[1:50:00] I'm just one of five. [clears throat]

[1:50:05] I guess we kind of led him to believe that the following year would be two

[1:50:09] pips and go. That's what I recall.

[1:50:18] And by them putting the road base in the pit next year is going

[1:50:23] to alleviate a lot of problems that people seem to think that's there.

[1:50:29] » I know you got your road base going in the pit. What was the other product

[1:50:33] going in the pit? Possibly. So there's a there's down over the hill next to the

[1:50:38] trees there's a pressure it's actually

[1:50:45] yeah we can get it in

[1:50:51] the material coming off the transfer belts things like that

[1:50:59] I know

[1:51:04] You wouldn't have a problem increasing it maybe 200 if

[1:51:10] guaranteed that that pile won't be down in the pit.

[1:51:17] » Check. >> Does this picture help to everyone to

[1:51:21] depict for one of these what's going on? Understand

[1:51:26] that one. of our drone flight.

[1:51:34] [clears throat]

[1:51:43] Do you know what if it was in one of these packets? This is what I have.

[1:51:49] [clears throat]

[1:52:01] cover like that.

[1:52:07] The sales chart

[1:52:12] number on it.

[1:52:22] production report. >> It's after that. [clears throat]

[1:52:29] » It's not this one.

[1:52:32] » The production report.

[1:52:44] It has sales activity from location as the first.

[1:52:49] [clears throat]

[1:52:54] It's not in that.

[1:53:10] online.

[1:53:16] » It's in the drive. It's right here. >> Okay, let me get it. Okay, I got to go

[1:53:20] to a different

[1:53:39] after the blast information.

[1:53:50] So when it says it's lar

[1:53:58] I'm sorry >> I hope that helps

[1:54:01] picture maybe another one understand that's the drone play is that there

[1:54:09] » from Friday or this weekend >> you want me to show you what

[1:54:13] » can you just kind of explain picture >> okay

[1:54:17] » so this is the cut we're doing This is daylighted in the

[1:54:25] rain. This right here is like 40 ft deep here all the way through here.

[1:54:31] [clears throat] This is 30 ft. So this pile is pile that is the pile that's in

[1:54:39] right now. It's really windy. It's not that long. This we would put over here

[1:54:44] up against the base. in the hole. We turn all this around.

[1:54:50] This will all be gone. We're currently, this is a shot that is all ready to go.

[1:54:55] So, we're progressing like this. So, we turn everything around like this. This

[1:55:00] in the hole our stuff

[1:55:07] goes up and across the top, right? >> Yeah. here.

[1:55:12] » So, Brian, do you um move that pile actually in there or does that pile get

[1:55:17] sold and then when you as you crush more, it stays in the fit?

[1:55:20] » Yeah, this gets sold. >> Okay.

[1:55:22] » Once I'm not moving in here, I don't have enough room.

[1:55:25] » Yeah. Yeah. >> I got to get rid of these piles.

[1:55:28] » So, everybody understands? >> Yeah. And then once they're gone, then

[1:55:31] I'll come back in here and then reset my hole everything

[1:55:36] in the hole. And maybe this I think it's this one. Oh, that's one of

[1:55:45] these smaller piles. >> I think it's your littlest one, isn't

[1:55:48] it? >> Yeah, it might be that one. That's 38.

[1:55:51] Might that one,

[1:55:57] but right now it's kind of covered because this pile here is huge. This

[1:56:01] pile here. >> You don't get any dust off of those back

[1:56:05] there. >> Yeah,

[1:56:07] it kind of screens it. That's the

[1:56:13] [clears throat] >> This was always the plan, wasn't it? To

[1:56:16] move into the hole as you had. >> That's the way I always portray it. You

[1:56:20] know, once get bigger, then I can set this inside this hole. Then as we press

[1:56:26] this way, this gets reclaimed. Just press

[1:56:32] » you're always keeping the pile of hole >> that comes back material.

[1:56:36] » Yeah. That was too much across the top is that builder straight at top you

[1:56:40] scrape off over >> one's over one's top

[1:56:44] and the road if we ever get that going down the hill

[1:56:50] » I talk they're going to allow us to use the overburden at one point

[1:57:01] » how long do you anticipate it taking to get the big pile hole out of there

[1:57:05] [clears throat] so

[1:57:08] Hopefully tomorrow

[1:57:16] » usually you'll be crushing by then. >> No, you won't.

[1:57:20] » No, I I don't have enough room to >> That's

[1:57:29] just my question.

[1:57:37] So Ryan, we have like one person out there monitoring the site and selling

[1:57:40] it. Is that what happens from now on? >> Yeah. So, so how that work?

[1:57:44] [clears throat] We have one motor operator. We're going

[1:57:47] to hire a guy just run motor there and then we have the scale. You'll see guys

[1:57:52] come across the scale and it's all automated now. So when they come across,

[1:57:56] they'll tear in. They'll get their tear away. We remotely do that with a

[1:58:01] secretary in Sunday

[1:58:06] number [clears throat]

[1:58:09] back there with the load operator get loaded comes back around the camera with

[1:58:16] Sundance out their ticket.

[1:58:21] That's That's why everybody's excited that steel

[1:58:29] is the scale wasn't working before, but it's going to be working or used to

[1:58:32] bucket but is working now. >> Yeah, we had

[1:58:38] it takes a lot to get that system. >> I saw it yesterday.

[1:58:42] » Yeah, it's pretty neat.

[1:58:50] You want to address? >> Yeah.

[1:58:54] » Brian, do you have a do you need to when do you need to know if you have extra

[1:58:57] capacity? Is it premature to do it now? I suppose you'd like to know that or can

[1:59:00] that wait?

[1:59:05] » [clears throat] >> I'm going to go ahead and make a motion

[1:59:07] that we allow them to go to the 250,000 ton that the state allows and what we

[1:59:14] allow in our permits for next year. >> I'll second and move by second by Homer

[1:59:22] to increase the limit of the amount of uh gravel that Pearl can take out of

[1:59:29] Larson pit to 250,000. Any further or any more discussion on this? I think

[1:59:35] we're a little personal opinion.

[1:59:49] » Any further discussion? We should probably do a roll call.

[1:59:54] » Hi. >> Hi.

[1:59:56] » Homer. >> Hi.

[1:59:58] » Flanigan. think I'm an A on this for the same same

[2:00:02] reason right now.

[2:00:06] » So motion passes 3 to two. So we will raise those limits to 250,000 and

[2:00:12] appreciate the report

[2:00:22] that it amess

[2:00:27] as recess the board of adjustment and come back as county commission.

[2:00:32] » Then moved by Flanigan, seconded by Tisdale to recess the board

[2:00:36] [clears throat] of adjustment and reconvene at the county commission. All

[2:00:39] in favor say I. Oppos? Nay. [clears throat]

[2:00:44] » Do we have anything left in the agenda? >> Items in public.

[2:00:48] Yep.

[2:01:01] We will move into items from the public. Then there's anybody that would like to

[2:01:05] uh stand and give us any comments, you just ask that you stand and uh give us

[2:01:09] your name and address and and uh make your comments.

[2:01:14] » I'm Markworth 1912. Um I would ask respectfully that you

[2:01:19] guys consider putting the comments to the beginning of the meeting. See the

[2:01:23] agenda. It has a really bad like you're going to do what you're going to do

[2:01:28] without any input from here. And I know it's been said in the past, well, we're

[2:01:32] accessible, but we know that some people show up,

[2:01:37] they say things, and certain times there was no time the week before to

[2:01:43] know all the information. So, I don't see the problem with putting the

[2:01:47] comments beginning. I know the city council does it. You guys already I

[2:01:52] assume are going to stick to the pattern of not having discussion about what

[2:01:55] people say which is insulting enough and I've gone around the city with that to

[2:02:00] act like we could come and say something you won't even acknowledge or address it

[2:02:04] but I would ask you guys to consider comments at the beginning of the meeting

[2:02:09] for the public. Thank you for your comment. Anybody

[2:02:14] else? Anybody online?

[2:02:18] Mrs. Merchant has her hand up, but um she able to

[2:02:23] think so.

[2:02:28] I don't have her muted. >> Did she list any comments? Do we have

[2:02:32] written comments or not?

[2:02:38] » Raising my hand. So, are you able to do a public comment, Miss Merchant, or

[2:02:46] you

[2:02:57] » I think she should be able to >> I know last time she had trouble getting

[2:03:03] the the computer to work, so she had to call in.

[2:03:06] She certainly do that now. Anybody

[2:03:13] else?

[2:03:22] Well, why don't we move into items from the commission and if Mrs. Merchant can

[2:03:28] get her figure out how to get in to us, we can come back to it.

[2:03:35] » Yeah, you could email too, Mr. Mer. Try that. Anybody

[2:03:41] or anything for the commission? >> Yeah, I know the city has moved their

[2:03:46] comments to the front of the meeting and I think at our planning and zoning for

[2:03:50] the city, we're moving them up.

[2:03:57] I I don't have an issue with that.

[2:04:02] I don't think it does any

[2:04:09] I don't know either. Just I've got an email address that seems to be full of

[2:04:14] comments from these forwards or my phone rings, but it you go either

[2:04:22] way. I guess usually at the end of the when it turns into a complaint session

[2:04:26] about something and ahead of time, I'm sure maybe there'll be some more

[2:04:31] constructive discussion, not discussion, but comments. I don't know.

[2:04:35] » I agree with the current >> I agree if they're at the beginning of

[2:04:38] the meeting might construct something they thought about instead of just

[2:04:44] session afterwards. So yeah, guess I don't have a problem with us moving it

[2:04:49] either. You know, if it if uh if the public thinks that would be a better

[2:04:53] plan, then that's what we're here for. >> Right after general business then?

[2:05:04] the chairman to decide how the meeting goes. So,

[2:05:07] » but I don't look at it and try and see it. It does make it uh could be

[2:05:12] challenging with public hearings uh scheduling around those.

[2:05:18] » You did it right after meeting public

[2:05:24] general business. I'm sorry. Do it right after that in case somebody's late. they

[2:05:29] they make it make their comments before we get into other things.

[2:05:34] Yeah, we're always waiting for the time to get by anyway. So, yes,

[2:05:39] [clears throat] I don't see a big deal one or another. It might work out

[2:05:42] better. >> And leave

[2:05:45] items from the commissioners to the end of the meeting. [clears throat]

[2:05:49] » Yeah.

[2:05:56] » Did you see that last time? So you need to make her presenter.

[2:06:03] » She's a presenter and she controls. >> Yeah, that's not really how that works.

[2:06:10] » No, I think she should be able to talk. She's a presenter then she takes control

[2:06:13] of the I can try then she um she controls everything.

[2:06:22] She has something else to show you. >> No, she's in charge, right?

[2:06:25] » I believe so. Are we muting her or does she mute herself? I'm not muting her

[2:06:33] unsenter.

[2:06:51] Um, try look like she'll let you

[2:07:00] Well, I don't think we're going to get get this done. So, I'm sorry, Mr.

[2:07:04] Merchant. We we tried to figure out what the what the issue is, but we'll have to

[2:07:08] continue to work on that. I think it must be on your end, though,

[2:07:12] » [clears throat] >> uh because other people were able to

[2:07:14] utilize it. So if there's no other comments, I think

[2:07:19] we entertain a motion to >> motion to adjourn

[2:07:24] motion.

Lawrence County Commission and Board of Adjustment Meeting September 1, 2026

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