[1:26] It is 6 pm.

[1:31] Okay. Um just it's 6 p.m. and we will

[1:34] begin this committee of the whole on

[1:36] Monday, December the 1st. And we will

[1:39] start with our land acknowledgement with

[1:41] gratitude. The township of Leeds in the

[1:42] Thousand Islands acknowledges that these

[1:44] lands and waters are traditional

[1:45] territory of the Algangquin, Missaga's

[1:48] Mohawk, and Heron Wendad. To recognize

[1:51] the role that the township must play in

[1:53] truth and reconciliation, we also

[1:54] acknowledge the displacement of these

[1:56] peoples. Additionally, the township

[1:58] would like to respectfully acknowledge

[1:59] the First Nations, Inuit, and Matei

[2:01] people who also call this place home. We

[2:04] make this land acknowledgement to honor

[2:05] the indigenous ancestors who have

[2:07] stewarded these lands and waters since

[2:09] time in memorial.

[2:12] On to number three of our agenda, which

[2:14] is the adoption of the agenda. Motion

[2:15] comes forward from councelor lackey,

[2:17] seconded by councelor Kelman that the

[2:19] agenda be adopted as circulated. Any

[2:22] comments or questions in regards to the

[2:24] agenda? Seeing none, I'll call the

[2:26] question. All those in favor? All those

[2:28] opposed? And it is carried.

[2:32] Next item is declaration of punary

[2:35] interest or general nature thereof. Does

[2:37] anybody have an interest to declare?

[2:40] I have no hands up.

[2:43] So, number five is close session and we

[2:45] have none this evening.

[2:48] Uh we'll move on to delegations and this

[2:51] evening we have Martha and Jack Harvey

[2:53] who are here to uh present and discuss

[2:55] pickle ball in Jonah Street Park and

[2:57] Kendrick's Park. So, if you could please

[2:59] come forward.

[3:11] Okay. Um

[3:16] um hello um madame mayor, counselors,

[3:20] and um township staff. I'm Martha

[3:22] Harvey. I'm from Llinter, and I am here

[3:24] to speak about two object objectives

[3:27] that I have um uh and I'm to talk to you

[3:30] about with regard to pickle ball. Um,

[3:34] first pickle ball lines should be

[3:36] painted on Jonah Street Park basketball

[3:38] court in Llinters this spring. And

[3:41] number two, option two from the

[3:43] recreation report should be chosen with

[3:46] regard to the Kendrick's Park upgrade.

[3:49] [clears throat] The outline of my talk

[3:50] is I'm going to tell you about the sport

[3:53] of pickle ball. I'm going to tell you

[3:55] why pickle ball line should be painted

[3:57] on the basketball court at Jonas Street

[3:59] Park in Linturst. Then I'll discuss the

[4:02] noise concern regarding the sport. Then

[4:05] I'll discuss the importance of moving

[4:07] forward in a timely manner with option

[4:10] two from the recreation report for

[4:12] Kendrick's Park upgrade. Pickle ball.

[4:16] It's a popular sport throughout North

[4:18] America. It's relatively easy on the

[4:20] body. It's easy to learn how to play. It

[4:24] provides good physical workout. All ages

[4:28] can play, young children to older

[4:30] adults, and it's a social game, both

[4:33] while playing and after playing when the

[4:35] players often gather to socialize.

[4:38] Now, why pickle ball line should be on

[4:41] the Jonas Street Park basketball court?

[4:44] For all of the previously mentioned

[4:46] reasons, it would be positive to have

[4:48] pickle ball in Lindter.

[4:52] In if the Jonas Street Park basketball

[4:54] court doubled as a pickle ball court,

[4:57] the residents of Linest could walk to

[4:59] the park and play the game. This is both

[5:02] convenient and more environmentally

[5:05] friendly than driving to a court. The

[5:09] equipment, the paddles, the balls, and a

[5:12] portable net can be borrowed from the

[5:14] Liners Library, and therefore the game

[5:17] is free to the community.

[5:19] Pickle ball is an inexpensive activity

[5:22] for the township to put in place on the

[5:25] Jonas Street Park basketball court. The

[5:28] court is 40 ft x 60 ft. The concrete pad

[5:32] just needs pickle ball lines to be

[5:34] painted on the court, but in a different

[5:37] color than the basketball lines. The

[5:39] pickle ball lines could be painted this

[5:42] spring. And it's a very quick way to

[5:45] positively enhance the community of

[5:48] Linterest.

[5:49] Lansdown and Celles Bay have pickle ball

[5:52] courts and having access to a court in

[5:55] Linterest makes the activity available

[5:58] in more communities within the township.

[6:02] Now the noise concern noise is made when

[6:05] a pickle ball hits a paddle and some

[6:08] people are concerned about this noise.

[6:10] But before I tell you how the noise

[6:12] concern can be addressed, I would like

[6:14] to relate two hypothetical scenarios

[6:17] that will help to make the points that I

[6:19] have regarding the noise more

[6:22] meaningful.

[6:25] Now, I will relate to these scenarios um

[6:29] regarding myself, but they could easily

[6:32] apply to any member of the Llinters

[6:34] community. So, pretend that that the

[6:37] pickle ball lines have been painted on

[6:38] the basketball court in Jonah Street

[6:40] Park. It's a Sunday afternoon and I say

[6:44] to my husband, "Let's have a game of

[6:45] pickle ball." He agrees. Then I say,

[6:48] "Oh, no, can't. It's Sunday. The library

[6:50] is closed. We can't get the net. We'll

[6:53] have to wait until tomorrow when we can

[6:55] borrow the net." And unless someone else

[6:58] has previously borrowed the net, no

[7:01] pickle ball will be played that day.

[7:04] There will be, [clears throat] excuse

[7:05] me, no noise on the pickle ball court.

[7:10] Monday afternoon comes along, my husband

[7:12] and I, we walk up to the library, we

[7:14] borrow the pickle ball net.

[7:24] We walk across the road from the library

[7:26] to Jonas Street Park and we put the net

[7:28] together.

[7:30] It takes 10, maybe 15 minutes if you

[7:32] haven't done it before.

[7:34] We begin our game. We have a few good

[7:36] rallies. We also miss the ball a lot and

[7:39] we have to chase it. We laugh. We praise

[7:42] each other for our good shots that we

[7:45] make. And then we lament our missed

[7:47] shots. After about an hour, we call it

[7:50] quits. We decide not to keep the net for

[7:53] the week that we're allowed and we

[7:55] return it to the library. We go for an

[7:57] ice cream cone at the post and we had

[8:00] fun. And unless someone else borrows the

[8:04] net, no one else will be playing pickle

[8:07] ball on that court. There will be no

[8:11] noise.

[8:12] Hypothetical scenario number two. My

[8:15] adult children are coming home for the

[8:17] weekend. I want to think of some fun

[8:19] activities for us to do when they come.

[8:22] I think pickle ball. I go to the library

[8:25] on Friday. I borrow the net. I will keep

[8:28] it for several days. And while I have

[8:30] that net, no one else is playing pickle

[8:33] ball on that court. There's no noise. My

[8:38] kids walk through the court on Saturday.

[8:40] They set up the net. They play the game

[8:42] for about an hour. They have a good time

[8:45] and they bring the net back to my house.

[8:47] There will be no noise on the pickle

[8:50] ball court until I return the net and

[8:52] someone else decides to borrow it. Now,

[8:55] these scenarios are not exclusive to my

[8:58] family. the similar scenarios would be

[9:01] apply to other households in Linterest.

[9:07] So now I'll tell you the reasons um how

[9:09] noise can be addressed. Lurst is a small

[9:12] community. Realistically, pickle ball

[9:15] would not be played nonstop,

[9:19] especially when effort is required to

[9:22] set up and take down the portable net

[9:25] and the library is not open daily for

[9:28] the portable net to be borrowed.

[9:31] There's only one court. So any noise

[9:35] created is much much much much I could

[9:38] say that six times less than would be

[9:41] the case where there are numerous pickle

[9:43] ball courts in one space with each court

[9:46] having a permanent net. That's where

[9:49] people come. You want to play pickle

[9:50] ball. The net's there, the court's

[9:52] there. You just walk on. You play the

[9:54] game and there's lots of courts. There's

[9:56] noise. Not here.

[9:59] A schedule could be posted to identify

[10:02] hours when the game could be played.

[10:05] There would likely be a healthy amount

[10:07] of laughter and ball chasing mixed in

[10:10] with the ball hitting, i.e. ball hitting

[10:12] would not be a constant in the game.

[10:16] Jonas Street Park is a playground and

[10:19] some playground noise is to be expected.

[10:24] Now, I'm going to deviate from Jonas

[10:25] Street Park for a moment, but still on

[10:27] the pickle ball theme and in the Llinter

[10:29] area, um, and talk about Kendrick's Park

[10:32] and pickle ball. In addition to having

[10:35] pickle ball court in Jonas Street Park,

[10:38] it would be wonderful to have a

[10:40] dedicated pickle ball court in

[10:42] Kendrick's Park, i.e. where the net is

[10:45] always in place. The Jonas Street Park

[10:48] court would service those who cannot

[10:50] travel to to Kendrick's Park. The

[10:53] dedicated pickle ball courts in

[10:55] Kendrick's Park would benefit those who

[10:57] are in lintest area but who do not want

[11:00] to or who are unable to um put up and

[11:04] take down the portable net.

[11:08] Option two in the recreation report here

[11:14] allows for two pickle ball courts to be

[11:16] built in Kendrick's Park. Option one

[11:19] does not mention building any pickle

[11:22] ball courts. Please choose option two on

[11:25] page 16 of the recreation report.

[11:31] All areas of the township would be

[11:33] serviced with dedicated pickle ball

[11:35] courts if option two of the recreation

[11:38] report is chosen.

[11:40] The recreation report suggests that

[11:42] Kendrick's Park would be upgraded in 5

[11:44] to 10 years. It would be wonderful if

[11:48] the Kendrick's Park upgrade could be

[11:50] sooner than later and maybe the park

[11:53] upgrades could be done in stages with

[11:55] pickle ball courts put into stage one.

[11:59] So, in conclusion,

[12:01] number one, pickle ball lines should be

[12:04] painted on the Jonah Street Park

[12:06] basketball court this spring. Number

[12:09] two, providing llinters with a pickle

[12:12] ball court in a timely fashion is very

[12:16] inexpensive. It's a can of paint.

[12:20] Number three, pickle ball provides an

[12:23] opportunity for some people to

[12:25] experience the sport.

[12:27] Number four, playing the game of pickle

[12:30] ball helps with community spirit,

[12:33] exercise, and socialization for all

[12:36] ages, young to older.

[12:40] Number five, Jonas Street Park is easily

[12:44] accessible to the people in Linterst.

[12:49] Number six, the township would have

[12:52] pickle ball available in Lindurst,

[12:55] Lansdown, and Seelles Bay in a timely

[12:59] manner if pickle ball lines were painted

[13:01] on the Jonas Street Park basketball

[13:03] court. Number seven, noise from the game

[13:07] on the Jonas Street Park court would be

[13:10] minimal.

[13:13] Number eight, Llinter is a very small

[13:16] community. Realistically,

[13:19] many people would not use a pickle ball

[13:21] court in Jonah Street Park, but

[13:25] some people would. Having a single

[13:29] single pickle ball court in Jonas Street

[13:32] Park is like having a canoe dock or

[13:36] swing sets or a swim ladder or a

[13:41] basketball court or the public dock on

[13:44] Llin's Lake or the bicycle equipment

[13:47] that is in Furnace Falls Park. These

[13:50] amenities are not in constant use, but

[13:55] they are used and they are all very much

[14:00] appreciated when they are used. These

[14:03] amenities enhance the community for its

[14:06] residents, for visitors, and for the

[14:09] township. And so and so would having a

[14:13] pickle ball court in Jonas Street Park.

[14:16] And lastly, please choose option two um

[14:20] when upgrading Kendrick's Park. The

[14:23] pickle ball courts in Kendrick's Park

[14:25] should be built sooner than later.

[14:28] Stand.

[14:29] >> Thank you for your presentation.

[14:32] » Thank you for your presentation.

[14:32] Do any of the council members have any

[14:34] questions for the presenter? Go ahead,

[14:36] councelor maybe. And then deputy mayor

[14:38] FOD and then I think I have councelor

[14:40] Antoine Harley. Go ahead.

[14:42] >> Thank you, Madame Mayor. and through

[14:43] » Thank you, Madame Mayor. and through

[14:43] you. I have a few things to kind of

[14:46] ponder here. Uh is is there any data uh

[14:51] to the usage of the basketball court in

[14:53] Jonas Park?

[14:54] >> No, I have no Oh, sorry. I have no data

[14:57] » No, I have no Oh, sorry. I have no data

[14:57] on that other than I I haven't seen a

[14:59] lot of people using it. Um I know that I

[15:02] have seen skateboards up there, but I

[15:04] haven't seen um uh kids playing on it. I

[15:07] I know they have played on it. I have my

[15:09] daughter was one when when she was at

[15:11] home and she and her friends went up. Um

[15:13] but I haven't seen a lot of usage. No.

[15:15] >> Okay. Thank you. That's one. Um and this

[15:17] » Okay. Thank you. That's one. Um and this

[15:17] one may might be to the uh director of

[15:20] operations is the cost of lines that

[15:22] possibly could be painted on a surface

[15:24] since we had something similar to this

[15:26] and what the condition of that court is.

[15:31] » Uh through you your worship. The the

[15:33] court's in decent shape. Uh there are

[15:35] some cracks in it, but nothing that's

[15:37] insurmountable. Um cost of the lines, I

[15:40] would estimate two to three hundred

[15:41] bucks likely to to get that completed.

[15:43] So it's it's fairly cost effective as

[15:44] well.

[15:45] >> Excellent. Thank you very much. And uh

[15:48] » Excellent. Thank you very much. And uh

[15:48] again to uh to have participate action

[15:51] to coin a phrase which is always out

[15:53] there. It's great to hear that. um uh

[15:57] having that much activity and as pickle

[16:00] ball is picking up uh speed across our

[16:03] nation, it would be a good thing to do.

[16:05] And decibel levels any uh the paddle is

[16:09] fairly hard and the ball I've never

[16:11] really actually seen a pickle ball

[16:13] unless you've got one with you. Uh is it

[16:15] what type of ball is it?

[16:17] >> It's a a whiffle a whiffle ball. Um

[16:19] » It's a a whiffle a whiffle ball. Um

[16:19] Peter, may I see your

[16:22] >> I knew somebody would.

[16:29] because we play pickle ball. So, a

[16:31] pickle, this is a whiffle ball. And a

[16:33] pickle ball, a pickle ball is like this,

[16:35] but it's the size. It's

[16:37] >> It's about like that.

[16:39] » It's about like that.

[16:39] >> They're hard.

[16:40] » They're hard.

[16:40] >> Yeah, that's hard. Um, a baseball, a

[16:42] » Yeah, that's hard. Um, a baseball, a

[16:42] small baseball or a fast ball, I think.

[16:44] Would that be correct? A fast ball. Um,

[16:46] and it's um, well, I've seen them be

[16:48] yellow anyway. And then when paddle hits

[16:51] the ball, there is a sound and that's um

[16:53] it's I think it's more annoying to

[16:56] people than it uh a tennis ball hitting.

[16:58] Um but the thing is with llinters, it's

[17:02] one court, right? one court sometimes.

[17:05] Whereas I can see if you have six courts

[17:08] and the net is always there and it's

[17:10] summertime and you've got um 8:00 in the

[17:14] morning till 8:00 at night and somebody

[17:16] is always on one of those courts if not

[17:18] many. Then you've got constant noise.

[17:21] This isn't going to be constant. This is

[17:23] going to be sometimes. And as I said,

[17:26] the amenities in the it won't be used

[17:30] all the time every like constantly, but

[17:32] it will be used. Yeah. And and it's just

[17:35] available for the community. I don't

[17:37] think it'll be something that people

[17:39] will become annoyed with. I I can't I

[17:41] truly don't think it would be.

[17:43] >> No. Thank you very much for that um

[17:45] » No. Thank you very much for that um

[17:45] explanation. I appreciate it very much.

[17:47] That's it for me.

[17:48] >> Deputy Mayor, go ahead.

[17:50] » Deputy Mayor, go ahead.

[17:50] >> Thank you. Worship through you. Has

[17:53] » Thank you. Worship through you. Has

[17:53] there been anticipated complaints on the

[17:55] noise? Like, have you heard other

[17:57] people?

[17:58] >> No, the only person I heard through was

[18:01] » No, the only person I heard through was

[18:01] through David Holiday here.

[18:02] >> Okay.

[18:04] » Okay.

[18:04] Because myself, I've stopped, I've

[18:06] watched, I've drive by with a window

[18:08] down over here at Landown, multiple

[18:10] courts on the move. Noise isn't

[18:12] something that attracts me at all. Yeah,

[18:14] it it I heard it through David uh that

[18:17] that was the reason that it wasn't I I

[18:19] needed to present because and um state

[18:22] this case. Um so maybe David can answer.

[18:25] >> I I believe that the director didn't

[18:27] » I I believe that the director didn't

[18:27] come up with that on his own. So I'll

[18:29] I'll let him answer that.

[18:31] >> Thank you through your worship.

[18:33] » Thank you through your worship.

[18:33] >> Um so through the survey that we put

[18:35] » Um so through the survey that we put

[18:35] out, we did receive more feedback

[18:37] opposing pickle ball than we did

[18:39] requesting it at that location. Um, and

[18:41] it seemed to be more the the neighbors

[18:43] around the the surrounding area adjacent

[18:44] to the park that had concern with it.

[18:46] Um, that's that's what we gathered from

[18:48] from the survey.

[18:50] >> Um, my understanding, David, is it or

[18:52] » Um, my understanding, David, is it or

[18:52] Mr. Holiday, is it three people said no

[18:54] and two people said yes?

[18:57] >> I'm sorry. I I don't

[18:58] » I'm sorry. I I don't

[18:58] >> how many people excuse me, but how many

[19:00] » how many people excuse me, but how many

[19:00] people were against pickle ball and how

[19:02] many people were four?

[19:03] >> Miss Harvey,

[19:04] » Miss Harvey,

[19:04] >> am I sorry.

[19:05] » am I sorry.

[19:05] >> Sorry. In order this isn't a debate back

[19:08] » Sorry. In order this isn't a debate back

[19:08] and forth. This is a delegation. Oh,

[19:10] >> so I've asked him to answer the question

[19:12] » so I've asked him to answer the question

[19:12] and then if you'd like to

[19:14] >> Sorry. All right.

[19:15] » Sorry. All right.

[19:15] >> Um, so there is a way for you to

[19:18] » Um, so there is a way for you to

[19:18] delineate how many people. You just

[19:20] don't have that in front of you right

[19:21] now.

[19:22] >> That is correct.

[19:23] » That is correct.

[19:23] >> Thank you. Okay. So, we can get that

[19:25] » Thank you. Okay. So, we can get that

[19:25] information. I'll let you continue on.

[19:27] Deputy mayor.

[19:28] >> Well, I find it ironic that you got

[19:30] » Well, I find it ironic that you got

[19:30] people opposed to it when they haven't

[19:31] even heard it.

[19:33] >> I mean, that would be typical.

[19:34] » I mean, that would be typical.

[19:34] >> That's not me. this.

[19:35] » That's not me. this.

[19:35] >> No, I'm not saying yourself, but I'm

[19:37] » No, I'm not saying yourself, but I'm

[19:37] saying that it'd be typical when

[19:39] somebody comes up with an idea, there'd

[19:40] be people opposed to something never

[19:42] heard.

[19:43] >> I I would be I would be surprised if the

[19:47] » I I would be I would be surprised if the

[19:47] noise of a pickle ball court would be

[19:48] out of a of a audio level that would

[19:51] actually matter, but that's neither here

[19:54] nor there. Um, and you had made ample

[19:57] examples of the fact you're not playing

[19:59] between midnight and 6:00 a.m. and

[20:01] things like that. I'm being a little

[20:03] sarcastic, I know.

[20:05] But uh no, thanks for the presentation.

[20:07] Thank you.

[20:08] >> Can go ahead, councelor Antoine Hartley.

[20:11] » Can go ahead, councelor Antoine Hartley.

[20:11] >> Yes. Uh thank you your worship. Um I was

[20:14] » Yes. Uh thank you your worship. Um I was

[20:14] just going to to uh reiterate the

[20:18] inclusivity of the pickle ball in the

[20:24] village itself. And I understand that

[20:26] it's in the works to have something at

[20:28] Kendricks, but in in the meantime, uh,

[20:31] and as you've said, there will not be a

[20:34] permanent net up or and the um the the

[20:39] rental of it will be

[20:40] >> from the library and so meaning you have

[20:43] » from the library and so meaning you have

[20:43] to be there when the library is open,

[20:45] right? Yes. Yes. And and no to that. Um,

[20:48] yes. Uh, you have to get the net when

[20:50] the library is open, but you're allowed

[20:52] to borrow it for a week. So, if you knew

[20:54] you wanted to have it on a Thursday and

[20:56] the library is closed, then you would

[20:58] borrow it on a Wednesday. Um, but you're

[21:01] right, it it's not there. If you can't

[21:03] it's not spur of the moment unless the

[21:05] library is open, right?

[21:06] >> So, um, yeah. So, I think I I personally

[21:11] » So, um, yeah. So, I think I I personally

[21:11] think that having the lines uh there

[21:14] would be very um

[21:18] great. It would be good for people who

[21:20] don't drive, people who want to

[21:22] exercise, etc. Um to have that kind of

[21:26] uh just and it's just lines for now

[21:31] [laughter]

[21:32] and with uh Kendrick's being down the

[21:34] road.

[21:34] >> Yeah.

[21:35] » Yeah.

[21:35] >> In a few years.

[21:36] » In a few years.

[21:36] >> Yeah, that's the thing. Kendricks is of

[21:38] » Yeah, that's the thing. Kendricks is of

[21:38] it. The report said 5 to 10 years.

[21:41] That's a long time.

[21:43] >> Thank you. Okay. I have councelor

[21:45] » Thank you. Okay. I have councelor

[21:45] Lackey.

[21:47] >> Thank you. were shipped uh through you

[21:49] » Thank you. were shipped uh through you

[21:49] to the director. Um

[21:53] what would prevent I mean if we put the

[21:54] lines on it's a it's a township park.

[21:56] It's public park. Um what prevents

[21:59] someone from going and buying a duffel

[22:01] bag just like that one showing up to the

[22:03] park and putting their own net up and

[22:05] playing to their heart's content

[22:09] » through your worship? Absolutely

[22:10] nothing.

[22:12] >> Okay. Any other questions from members

[22:15] » Okay. Any other questions from members

[22:15] of council?

[22:18] Okay. Thank you very much, Miss Harvey.

[22:20] And we appreciate the delegation and we

[22:22] will be going into budget discussions

[22:24] here in the next couple of weeks. So

[22:26] hopefully we'll have a better idea of

[22:28] what the plans are going forward for

[22:31] 2026.

[22:32] >> Thank you. So do we stay or do we leave?

[22:34] » Thank you. So do we stay or do we leave?

[22:34] You [laughter]

[22:35] >> You're welcome to stay. We have other

[22:37] » You're welcome to stay. We have other

[22:37] things on the agenda, but

[22:39] >> this is done.

[22:40] » this is done.

[22:40] >> Yeah. So the delegation is received and

[22:42] » Yeah. So the delegation is received and

[22:42] then unless there's a motion made by any

[22:45] of the members of the uh council which

[22:47] could be made uh not tonight it has to

[22:49] be a notice of motion um which has to go

[22:52] through the clerk which it would be on a

[22:53] subsequent uh meeting date.

[22:55] >> Okay. Well, thanks very much everybody.

[22:56] » Okay. Well, thanks very much everybody.

[22:56] >> You're welcome.

[23:00] » Okay. So, we have uh next uh item on the

[23:04] agenda is briefings from uh Katari

[23:08] Conservation Authority, David

[23:09] Ellingwood, who's here and joins us this

[23:11] evening. Come on forward and we'll uh

[23:14] get you set up on the screen.

[23:22] There

[23:26] you go.

[23:26] >> Thanks so much for joining us this

[23:28] » Thanks so much for joining us this

[23:28] evening.

[23:31] Uh thank you.

[23:33] So um thank you members of council for

[23:36] inviting me to uh present some

[23:38] information about Katarak Conservation's

[23:39] 2026 draft budget. Uh

[23:46] so uh this evening I'll um go over our

[23:49] budget and I've also uh put a few slides

[23:52] at the tail end for some important

[23:54] legislative changes that have recently

[23:56] been proposed for conservation

[23:57] authorities across the province. Um for

[23:59] our budget um as usual we try to

[24:02] maintain all the programs and services

[24:04] that we that we have on the go and uh

[24:07] there's a few other items noted there.

[24:10] At the bottom you'll see that our budget

[24:11] vote is December 3rd. So that comes up

[24:13] on Wednesday um for our uh final budget

[24:18] vote.

[24:20] Uh under the conservation authorities

[24:22] act we do have agreements with our

[24:24] member municipalities for uh certain

[24:26] services. Uh category one uh services

[24:29] are kind of mandatory ones. Uh ones that

[24:32] address provincial uh responsibilities

[24:35] uh things like drinking water source

[24:37] protection and plan review uh flood

[24:39] forecast and warning that sort of thing.

[24:42] Uh under category 2, we help a couple

[24:44] municipalities operate their water

[24:46] control structures. And under category

[24:49] three are locally supported services for

[24:51] things like education, uh public

[24:53] programming and land stewardship.

[24:56] Uh

[24:59] so uh to the numbers uh quickly here. Um

[25:02] our draft budget is $6.9 million for

[25:05] 2026. Uh we do have quite a bit that's

[25:08] internal recovery. So kind of our net

[25:11] amount if you will is around $5.5

[25:13] million.

[25:14] Uh

[25:17] as a total for the municipal

[25:19] aortionments this year, uh it works out

[25:22] to a 4.6 six 4% uh increase overall and

[25:27] I'll show you the specific numbers for

[25:29] your township in a moment here. Uh we do

[25:33] have uh 1% that's helping us to phase in

[25:36] our new administration facility lease

[25:38] costs and also 1% that's phasing in a

[25:42] permanent staff position in development

[25:43] review department

[25:45] and those are part of the 4.6%.

[25:49] uh expenses are up uh just 1.3%

[25:53] year-over-year this year.

[25:57] So, uh on the graph, we're showing uh

[26:00] the different proportions. As you can

[26:02] see, municipalities uh pay half of the

[26:05] budget. Um if you're looking at the net

[26:08] budget, municipalities

[26:10] uh are paying about 60% of our budget.

[26:13] And this the uh small brown slice there

[26:17] is the province. it works out to about 4

[26:19] and a.5% of our net budget. Uh we do uh

[26:24] uh have fees uh that that help out uh

[26:27] for things like development review and

[26:29] our uh public programming, our nature

[26:31] events uh contribute towards that. And

[26:34] the other category that's things like uh

[26:36] grants that we get. We've been

[26:37] successful at things like fragmitees

[26:39] control and other uh types of grants

[26:42] like that as well as uh donations that

[26:45] contribute to that.

[26:48] And then when we look at the uh the

[26:51] total budget that we um are looking at

[26:54] uh from our municipal partners, these

[26:57] are a portion based on current value

[26:59] assessment. The M&R provides that

[27:01] information to us. So they can fluctuate

[27:03] a little bit from year to year, but

[27:05] usually it's no more than uh 0.02 or

[27:08] three um for any one municipality uh

[27:11] changing year-over-year depending on

[27:13] your growth rate.

[27:17] So for less and thousand islands, uh the

[27:21] we'll kind of focus on the totals at the

[27:22] bottom there. So uh total uh $10,750

[27:27] increase uh in our aortionment request

[27:31] for 2026 works out to 5.77%.

[27:35] Uh but then above that, it kind of

[27:37] breaks it down what those changes are uh

[27:40] coming from. Uh firstly there's uh the

[27:44] category one just the mandatory programs

[27:46] uh that's at 3.7%.

[27:49] Uh the larger one in the middle there

[27:51] you'll see 75% um is for water control

[27:54] structures special levy. Uh that's

[27:57] $4,500 and that one in particular uh the

[28:02] township contributes towards two water

[28:04] control structures and shares that um

[28:07] with a few other municipalities. Uh so

[28:10] for those we're looking at about four

[28:12] capital projects that are coming up in

[28:14] the next couple of years and the reserve

[28:16] funds need to be brought up so that

[28:19] there's enough funds to to meet those

[28:21] project requirements. So that's that's

[28:24] essentially what what you're seeing

[28:25] there as that increase of $4,500 for

[28:28] 2026.

[28:33] So uh within your uh special

[28:35] aortionments uh you support the uh uh

[28:38] specific properties like the outlet boat

[28:40] ramp uh the two water control structures

[28:42] as mentioned there uh temperance lake

[28:44] and marsh lake uh you have 30% share of

[28:47] the cost for those and then you also

[28:50] have your category 3 agreement um for

[28:53] local programs like education and

[28:55] stewardship and watershed planning.

[28:59] Uh there's a slide here for the uh

[29:02] forecast upcoming expenses. You'll see

[29:04] for 2026.

[29:06] Uh there's that large larger increase at

[29:10] the at the bottom there for special

[29:11] aortionment. Uh you'll note that is more

[29:14] of a a one-time thing and it uh it drops

[29:17] off dramatically uh in the next uh three

[29:20] fiscal years following.

[29:26] So um capital we try to fully uh

[29:29] forecast as much of it as we can using

[29:31] reserves and building those reserves so

[29:33] that they're ready when the when the

[29:34] time comes. Uh we do have some of our uh

[29:39] larger recreational uh assets that are

[29:44] struggling to to find uh enough capital

[29:47] to uh uh to look at significant repairs

[29:51] that are coming up. So that those ones,

[29:53] we're looking at external grants to help

[29:54] along with those ones.

[29:59] So, uh that's the 2026 budget and what

[30:01] that means for the township. Um in the

[30:04] last few minutes here, I'll just look at

[30:05] some of the proposed uh changes to

[30:07] conservation authorities that are rather

[30:10] significant. Um so, Bill 68, schedule 3,

[30:14] it's passed third reading now, so it's

[30:16] uh it's come to into law. Uh this will

[30:19] establish a new provincial conservation

[30:21] agency. The agency is going to have

[30:23] oversight and strategic direction uh for

[30:26] conservation authorities in the

[30:28] province. Uh it'll be 5 to 12 members

[30:30] appointed by the minister. Uh it'll it

[30:34] can give directives to conservation

[30:36] authorities and its primary goals are to

[30:39] reduce the number of municipalities that

[30:41] have more than one conservation

[30:42] authority. So where there's kind of

[30:44] overlap naturally where there's

[30:46] watersheds uh it go water goes two ways

[30:49] and a municipality might get split

[30:51] between two conservation authorities. Uh

[30:54] they're looking to have more consistency

[30:56] in the development review policies and

[30:58] the fees that we charge and they like to

[31:00] have one uh digital permit system across

[31:03] the province.

[31:06] Um so here's a just a few facts about

[31:10] cons cataka conservation. We do have

[31:12] timely permit approvals. We meet the

[31:14] provincial targets in 99%

[31:16] of our uh development permits and we

[31:20] average about 5 days, five business days

[31:23] to provide a permit. Once we have a

[31:25] complete application, it's 5 days for

[31:27] the uh proponent to get their uh permit

[31:30] and letter approved.

[31:33] Uh for municipalities, when we're doing

[31:35] plan review, uh we're meeting your the

[31:38] targets that you've set 90% of the time.

[31:41] Uh Kataraka Conservation has among the

[31:43] lowest fee schedules in the province. Uh

[31:46] because our uh we are a lean

[31:49] organization and our municipalities uh

[31:52] in their governance of us have uh helped

[31:55] us to uh find a good balance uh for for

[31:59] fees that are affordable for the

[32:02] development community. Uh we have a high

[32:04] standard of customer service on our

[32:06] board. Each uh municipality is

[32:09] represented on our board. There's uh 11

[32:11] member municipalities and 17

[32:13] representatives.

[32:14] Uh we've we keep up to date on our flood

[32:17] plane mapping. We've recently completed

[32:19] the St. Lawrence River. Um but we are

[32:22] mindful of uh local finances. So the the

[32:25] Ganonway system could use new mapping.

[32:28] But because you recently contributed

[32:30] significantly to the St. Lawrence one,

[32:32] that would be something we might put off

[32:35] for a little bit. um because we you know

[32:39] we know that uh we can't draw that kind

[32:42] of capital every uh very often. Uh and

[32:45] we also have a 60-year history with

[32:46] strong ties to local groups and

[32:48] communities.

[32:50] So the proposal that they have is to

[32:52] actually consolidate the 36 conservation

[32:54] authorities in the province down to

[32:56] seven.

[32:57] Uh so you on the the map you have um

[33:01] Toronto is the central lake Ontario

[33:03] around the golden horseshoe you have one

[33:06] um lake Erie runs from uh almost

[33:09] Collingwood all the way down to Windsor

[33:12] and Lake Hiron includes uh places from

[33:16] Grand Ben to Berry up to Thunder Bay. So

[33:19] rather large uh our area is known as the

[33:22] St. Lawrence region regional

[33:24] conservation authority and it would

[33:26] combine Kataraki uh Mississippi RTO

[33:30] South Nation and Raisin River all into

[33:32] one an area about 18,000 square

[33:35] kilometers.

[33:37] Uh

[33:39] uh so there's the map there running from

[33:42] uh near Napony

[33:44] uh almost to Arri and out to the Quebec

[33:48] border. Um there's 46 municipalities in

[33:52] there. Uh

[33:55] boardwise, there's over 70 uh

[33:57] representatives on those five boards. If

[34:00] you combine them all and go with the

[34:02] conservation author conservation

[34:04] authorities act formula, there'd still

[34:06] be over 70 representatives. Clearly,

[34:08] that's too big. And one thing that

[34:10] you'll likely see if this comes along is

[34:13] that uh local representation will be

[34:16] drastically cut. you you can't have a

[34:19] functional board with over 70 members.

[34:21] It would, you know, maybe 20 and you'd

[34:23] have to have some type of uh local or

[34:26] countywide representation uh on that

[34:29] board.

[34:31] Uh so, uh this proposal is uh currently

[34:34] on the environmental registry. Uh the

[34:36] the number for it is up there. Uh

[34:38] there's a comment period open until

[34:40] December 22nd and they're looking at

[34:42] five principal things. um this is

[34:46] assuming it's going forward uh is um

[34:49] what would what would make for a

[34:50] successful transition? What are some of

[34:52] the opportunities or benefits from

[34:53] having these regions? What would the

[34:55] government structure look like? Uh how

[34:57] can we have transparent and consultative

[34:59] budgeting? And how do we maintain the

[35:02] strong relationships that currently

[35:03] exist? So all interesting questions. Um,

[35:07] some of them are maybe a little hard to

[35:09] do on on a very big regional scale such

[35:13] as that. But, uh, that's about as much

[35:16] information as there is. Uh, they're

[35:18] really looking for input and a lot of

[35:20] the the details and how this would

[35:22] actually happen would need to be worked

[35:24] out once this uh, new agency is set up.

[35:29] But, thank you very much for your

[35:31] attention.

[35:34] Thank you very much for delegation. Um I

[35:37] believe the consultation

[35:40] uh it's this week in Ottawa, isn't it?

[35:46] Yeah, we're just trying to look up the

[35:47] date. So um so questions. I had one from

[35:51] councelor maybe and then deputy mayor

[35:53] FOD. I'm not sure if anybody on this

[35:55] side. So go ahead.

[35:56] >> Thank you, Madame Mayor. And through you

[35:57] » Thank you, Madame Mayor. And through you

[35:57] I have a couple questions. Uh the first

[35:59] one is why is there no federal money to

[36:02] the agency you know it's out of your pie

[36:05] chart that there's no no federal money.

[36:08] >> Okay to so uh federal money uh only

[36:12] » Okay to so uh federal money uh only

[36:12] comes when we get grants. So that would

[36:14] be either an employment grant um

[36:16] sometimes there's uh grants we might get

[36:18] for climate change that sort of thing.

[36:20] Um we are partnering with uh South

[36:22] Nation and a bunch of eastern

[36:24] conservation authorities. So, uh, with

[36:25] with a federal grant that's offered to,

[36:28] uh, land owners, uh, for trees and shrub

[36:31] planting and wetland creation, um, that

[36:34] doesn't show up on ours because the

[36:35] money's gone to South Nation.

[36:37] >> As a follow-up, u, but the federal

[36:38] » As a follow-up, u, but the federal

[36:38] government doesn't give you a yearly

[36:40] amount and never have or

[36:43] >> That's correct. Yeah, there's never been

[36:45] » That's correct. Yeah, there's never been

[36:45] federal federal contribution.

[36:46] >> That's unfortunate. [clears throat] Uh,

[36:47] » That's unfortunate. [clears throat] Uh,

[36:48] second question was, uh, with the new

[36:50] structure that you have, uh, here for

[36:52] the St. Lawrence Regional Conservation

[36:54] Authority, which will end up being

[36:56] possibly uh the Homes Quicker bill that

[36:59] was actually um put in place there a

[37:01] couple years ago. How's that affected

[37:04] or is it?

[37:05] >> Thank you. Through your worship. Um

[37:07] » Thank you. Through your worship. Um

[37:08] yeah, so the um more homes built faster

[37:10] or there's been a few of them. Uh

[37:14] it it hasn't significantly uh changed.

[37:18] uh some things in say uh the types of

[37:21] permits for minor projects um people

[37:24] don't need to get those but that really

[37:25] hasn't um made a change in the number of

[37:27] permits it's still fairly active

[37:29] development wise uh in our region

[37:32] >> uh just as a followup uh with that bill

[37:35] » uh just as a followup uh with that bill

[37:35] it actually decreased some of your power

[37:37] and I wondered if you are getting any

[37:39] more of that back with this new uh

[37:41] region that you're having

[37:42] >> okay through your worship um so uh yeah

[37:45] » okay through your worship um so uh yeah

[37:45] so one of the things that it took away

[37:47] was the natural heritage review from

[37:49] conservation authorities. Um,

[37:52] yeah, I don't think we're getting that

[37:54] back. I think it was a political

[37:55] decision not for us, not just that we

[37:58] wouldn't do it, but that we

[37:59] municipalities cannot have conservation

[38:02] authorities do it. And, you know,

[38:04] anecdotally, um, it may be causing uh,

[38:08] longer delays and and, uh, double study

[38:12] expenses for proponents.

[38:13] >> Okay. Thank you very much,

[38:15] » Okay. Thank you very much,

[38:15] >> Deputy Mayor. Go ahead. Thank you,

[38:17] » Deputy Mayor. Go ahead. Thank you,

[38:17] worshiper through you. On this new

[38:20] proposed structure,

[38:22] I assume that the province and their

[38:24] wisdom is looking at cutting staff

[38:26] significantly as well. And if so, how do

[38:30] we maintain the good relationship your

[38:32] organization has Katar Rockway with our

[38:35] staff here in the planning department?

[38:37] As you had indicated, turnaround time is

[38:39] 5 days.

[38:41] It would be nightmarish to think what

[38:43] would happen if they intend to run 10 or

[38:46] 15 staff members to cover a whole

[38:49] region. What were your thoughts on that?

[38:51] What would your thoughts be on that?

[38:53] >> Thank you. Through your worship. Uh so

[38:56] » Thank you. Through your worship. Uh so

[38:56] the the minister in his announcement

[38:59] said that there would be no job

[39:01] reductions. Um and as a followup uh it

[39:06] was also indicated in one of the

[39:07] sessions that there uh the province

[39:10] would not dictate any closure of local

[39:14] offices. So if if those are both uh

[39:18] factual statements um then uh that would

[39:21] be good and if it if it can be left to

[39:23] the region on you know if there's a new

[39:26] region you're adding some bureaucracy up

[39:28] there but um to to actually function you

[39:33] can't operate your conservation

[39:35] properties from afar. You need a local

[39:37] base to do that. If you're doing

[39:38] development review,

[39:40] uh having off having basically the

[39:43] number of offices that there would be

[39:44] now um is probably the most efficient

[39:47] because right now our staff can travel

[39:50] an hour either way to get there. It

[39:52] would be the same with the other ones.

[39:53] So it's it's already a fairly efficient

[39:56] structure that way in terms of uh

[39:58] travel. And then the local knowledge uh

[40:01] we assign planners specifically to each

[40:04] of our municipalities so they develop

[40:07] even stronger relation uh rapport with

[40:10] uh your municipal staff and have a

[40:13] really good knowledge of what's going on

[40:15] uh in each community.

[40:18] >> Well, that's encouraging. I'm glad to

[40:20] » Well, that's encouraging. I'm glad to

[40:20] know that they've at least stated they

[40:22] don't intend to cut staff and and thus

[40:24] spread the workload out to a larger

[40:26] jurisdiction, which would be would be

[40:29] questionable to get the same service. Um

[40:32] that that's encouraging because when you

[40:34] read something like what the province

[40:36] has in mind here, the old adage, the

[40:38] government's here to help, that that's

[40:40] enough to scare most people. But uh

[40:43] we'll hope for the best and and uh

[40:46] hopefully we can maintain the good

[40:47] relationship that our staff has with

[40:50] your office. Now, thank you.

[40:51] >> Okay,

[40:52] » Okay,

[40:52] >> any other questions?

[40:55] » any other questions?

[40:55] I have no other hands up. So, thank you

[40:58] very much for your presentation and um I

[41:02] guess our board meeting is on December

[41:04] 11th, the next one. I believe

[41:06] >> uh it's on Wednesday night.

[41:08] » uh it's on Wednesday night.

[41:08] >> Yeah,

[41:08] » Yeah,

[41:08] >> Monday. Uh Wednesday the 3.

[41:10] » Monday. Uh Wednesday the 3.

[41:10] >> Oh, Wednesday. But there's a secondary

[41:12] » Oh, Wednesday. But there's a secondary

[41:12] meeting as well we have on the 11th.

[41:14] Sorry, I was thinking about that.

[41:16] >> Um because we're trying to squeeze it

[41:18] » Um because we're trying to squeeze it

[41:18] all in for the end of December. Um so we

[41:21] appreciate uh your time and attention to

[41:23] the budget. Um we know it's difficult

[41:26] times when there's uh so much more to

[41:29] do. Um it will be interesting to see how

[41:32] the consultation process goes in the

[41:34] meantime. Sound.

[41:37] >> Okay. Next item on the agenda is public

[41:40] » Okay. Next item on the agenda is public

[41:40] meeting and the motion is moved by

[41:43] councelor Kelman, seconded by councelor

[41:45] Lackey that the public meeting be called

[41:47] to order at 6:40 p.m.

[41:51] All those in favor? All those opposed?

[41:54] And it is carried. So we are now in the

[41:57] public meeting portion of the committee

[42:00] the whole

[42:02] um and we are going to the zoning bylaw

[42:05] amendment seven bulls island. So if you

[42:10] have anything to discuss at this point I

[42:12] will turn to planning staff.

[42:18] There we go. Thank you. Thank you madame

[42:21] mayor and through you. The subject of

[42:24] this public meeting is a proposed zoning

[42:26] bylaw amendment for the property

[42:28] municipally known as Seven Bulls Island.

[42:31] The property is approximately 0.4

[42:33] hectares and contains an existing

[42:35] dwelling with attached uncovered

[42:38] decking, a storage shed, and two docks.

[42:42] The zone change is proposed for the site

[42:45] um to change the zoning from from an

[42:48] island residential zone to a special

[42:50] exception island residential zone. And

[42:52] that would facilitate zoning relief for

[42:55] a proposed 46.7

[42:57] meter sleeping cabin with attached

[43:00] covered decking as well as a detached

[43:03] sauna and some additional decking

[43:05] attached to the primary dwelling.

[43:15] So this is the proposed plot plan

[43:17] showing the proposed sleeping cabin

[43:21] um and the sauna.

[43:25] Uh and then there's additional decking

[43:27] that was constructed in 2021

[43:31] um in the absence of municipal and

[43:33] agency approvals that's proposed to be

[43:36] uh folded into this zoning bylaw

[43:38] amendment.

[43:41] With respect to notice, uh staff could

[43:43] confirm that notice of this public

[43:45] meeting was provided in accordance with

[43:47] the planning act. And to date, um, staff

[43:50] received one email with some questions

[43:53] for clarification on the details of the

[43:55] proposal and staff did respond to

[43:57] provide that clarification and

[43:59] additional links for the resident to

[44:01] access the supporting information um for

[44:05] the application. I believe the applicant

[44:07] is online uh this evening and staff as

[44:11] well would be um available to address

[44:14] any questions of the public or the

[44:16] committee the whole. Thank you. So,

[44:18] we'll go to uh council questions. Uh if

[44:22] anybody has a question in regards to

[44:24] this application, if you could please

[44:26] raise your hand. And we'll also ask that

[44:28] anyone online that is here to have any

[44:31] questions answered online, please use

[44:34] the raise your hand function and then

[44:35] we'll get to you after we have uh got

[44:38] through council questions. So,

[44:43] I'll give everybody a minute. Uh, Deputy

[44:45] Mayor Fod, go ahead.

[44:47] >> Thank you, worship, and through you.

[44:50] » Thank you, worship, and through you.

[44:50] This, uh, small aotment of land has a

[44:53] lot of activity going on it. Can I ask

[44:55] what uh, brought this about? Has there

[44:57] been a change of ownership in the

[44:59] property?

[45:06] » Through you, Madame Mayor. Uh, not to my

[45:08] knowledge. uh staff have been working

[45:10] with the applicant for some time through

[45:12] the pre-conultation process and

[45:15] application submission and review

[45:17] leading up to this meeting this evening.

[45:20] >> So it would be assumed that there was

[45:23] » So it would be assumed that there was

[45:23] some non-compliancy that was noticed by

[45:25] staff from the water that brought this

[45:28] to light. Is that what we're

[45:31] expecting here? this is a brand new

[45:33] build or it's an existing structure

[45:36] coming into compliance

[45:38] >> through you madame mayor um the proposal

[45:42] » through you madame mayor um the proposal

[45:42] came forward the applicant was

[45:44] interested in constructing a sleeping

[45:45] cabin on on the property and staff did

[45:48] complete a a site visit um with the

[45:52] property owner and

[45:55] uh through a walkound of the property it

[45:57] was discussed that there was additional

[45:59] decking that was constructed in 2021. So

[46:02] that's the extent of the existing

[46:04] construction on the property that has to

[46:06] be is proposed to be recognized through

[46:08] this application. The remainder of the

[46:10] construction has yet to occur including

[46:12] the sleeping cabin.

[46:14] >> So the sleeping cabin does not exist at

[46:16] » So the sleeping cabin does not exist at

[46:16] this point but when they were there they

[46:18] found some other stuff that had happened

[46:21] without permitting. So, um, but as you

[46:25] just mentioned, this is to wrap

[46:27] everything up in a bow, if you will, and

[46:30] allow for the sleeping cabin to be

[46:33] constructed should this pass. Well, this

[46:36] is the public meeting. Nothing's going

[46:37] to pass here. This is for information.

[46:39] So,

[46:41] any further comments or discussion?

[46:44] Go ahead, councelor maybe.

[46:46] >> Uh, thank you, Madam Madame Mayor. and

[46:47] » Uh, thank you, Madam Madame Mayor. and

[46:48] through you. Uh the uh the high

[46:50] watermark is is well out of the range of

[46:52] this particular build uh with the rock

[46:54] face that they have on this. So uh I

[46:56] [clears throat] think it's um a great

[46:58] place to uh to have and with the photos

[47:01] that were provided, it indicated a a

[47:04] quite a great view of the river and uh

[47:07] to enjoy. So I think it's a uh

[47:11] appropriate uh ask.

[47:13] >> Okay. Further comments or questions?

[47:17] » Okay. Further comments or questions?

[47:17] Seeing none, um I'll put them uh there's

[47:20] nothing online. I just thought I'd

[47:21] double check. There's no hands up. Okay.

[47:24] So, with that, um we'll put the motion

[47:26] forward to uh that the public meeting be

[47:29] closed. Motion is made by councelor

[47:32] Lackey, seconded by councelor Kelman.

[47:34] All those in favor? All those opposed?

[47:38] And it is carried. So, we are back in

[47:40] the regularly scheduled committee. the

[47:43] whole meeting and we're on number nine,

[47:46] staff reports, which is the uh public

[47:50] meeting I um item we just discussed,

[47:53] zoning bylaw amendment application D13.

[48:02] Uh so the zoning bylaw amendment

[48:04] application D132025-

[48:07] Z001 civic address 7 Bulls Island and

[48:10] the motion comes forward from councelor

[48:12] Lackey seconded by councelor Kelman that

[48:14] the committee of the whole recommends

[48:15] that council approve zoning bylaw

[48:16] amendment application D14 2025-001

[48:21] for the property municipally known as 7

[48:23] Bulls Island to amend the existing

[48:25] island residential RARI zone for of the

[48:28] property to an island residential

[48:29] special exception 39 RI-39

[48:33] zone and that the committee of the whole

[48:35] recommends that council further amend

[48:36] bylaw number 07-079

[48:39] zoning bylaw of the corporation of the

[48:41] township of Leeds in the Thousand

[48:42] Islands as amended as per exhibit F

[48:45] draft bylaw and schedule A to report

[48:48] number 2025-086

[48:51] and that the committee of the whole

[48:52] recommends that council grant three

[48:54] readings and final passage to amending

[48:56] to the amending bylaw. It's a lot.

[48:59] [laughter]

[49:00] So, uh, go ahead, m Madame

[49:02] [clears throat] Planner.

[49:04] >> Thank you. And through you, Madame

[49:05] » Thank you. And through you, Madame

[49:05] Mayor. Um, just staff wanted to, um,

[49:09] mention that the bylaw has been updated

[49:12] today. Uh, the applicant did request

[49:14] zoning relief for the maximum height of

[49:16] the sleeping cabin. The zoning bylaw

[49:20] permits a maximum height of 5 m and the

[49:22] application did request a maximum height

[49:24] of 5.4. And so the bylaw has been

[49:28] updated to reflect that. Okay. Thank you

[49:31] for that clarity. Any further comments

[49:33] or questions in regard to this item? Go

[49:35] ahead, councelor Lackey.

[49:36] >> Thank you. Worship through you. I

[49:38] » Thank you. Worship through you. I

[49:38] apologize. I was hoping uh I should have

[49:40] asked it earlier while the gentleman

[49:42] from CRCA was here. Um when they talk

[49:44] about high water mark, how can they

[49:47] justify that when it's controlled by

[49:50] Dan?

[49:53] » Yeah, we should asked that question when

[49:55] he was here.

[49:57] I'm I mean it's control. If the water's

[49:59] high, you open the dam.

[50:02] It's damn hard to figure it out. Anyway,

[50:04] just

[50:05] >> there's no swearing at this council

[50:07] » there's no swearing at this council

[50:07] table. All [laughter]

[50:10] >> um the same things to go with wave

[50:13] » um the same things to go with wave

[50:13] upbrush as well. It's just

[50:14] >> fair enough. And the same the same

[50:17] » fair enough. And the same the same

[50:17] challenge uh obviously is something that

[50:20] we are faced with on the St. Louis River

[50:22] which is also

[50:24] Yes. But the people downstream really

[50:28] get upset if you open them at full

[50:30] force. [laughter]

[50:32] No, we haven't. Um, okay. Matter at

[50:35] hand. Go ahead, Deputy Mayor.

[50:37] >> Thank you. We're shipping it through

[50:38] » Thank you. We're shipping it through

[50:38] you. I have a lot of questions about

[50:41] this property, but what I do have is a

[50:43] lot of faith in our staff. I know that

[50:46] they know the rules better than I and u

[50:49] they know what they're looking for

[50:50] before and after. So um I will uh I will

[50:56] step down about a lot of things I would

[50:58] like to say about this application and

[51:00] and put it in the hands of those that

[51:02] know. So thank you.

[51:04] >> Any further comments or questions?

[51:11] » Okay. So we have the applicant with

[51:13] their hand up. Uh we have Michael

[51:15] Clancy. Uh, so I'll recognize Michael in

[51:20] order to

[51:22] um we're just getting the clerk to

[51:24] unmute you, so just bear with us a few

[51:26] seconds.

[51:30] » Okay, there we go. And you're unmuted.

[51:32] You're ready to go.

[51:33] >> Okay, thank you. Um, good evening, your

[51:35] » Okay, thank you. Um, good evening, your

[51:35] worship and council members. Um, I I

[51:38] just wanted to answer a couple of

[51:40] questions uh that were raised. Um first

[51:43] um my wife and I purchased the college

[51:47] uh 23 years ago. Um we uh we then

[51:52] proceeded to have uh uh six children. Um

[51:56] so the the purpose of the sleeping cabin

[51:58] is uh is it our our original cottage

[52:03] that's still there. It was built in the

[52:05] 1950s. It's a very modest, very small

[52:08] cottage with two bedrooms. Um, and so

[52:12] we're literally now just bursting at the

[52:14] seams. Um, especially as our kids get

[52:18] older and and come back to the island

[52:20] with um, you know, with with their

[52:23] significant others. Um, so that's that's

[52:26] our makeup. Um, with regard to the high

[52:30] water mark question, um, the uh,

[52:34] sleeping cabin is proposed to be built

[52:37] on the highest location on the island.

[52:40] Um, that location is uh at least

[52:46] uh I'm going to say at least

[52:49] maybe 40 feet from the actual uh highest

[52:53] level of water that I've seen there in

[52:55] the last 23 years. Um it it's just

[52:58] simply nowhere close to the to the uh

[53:02] high water park um at all. It's it's a

[53:05] literally a rock face that that is um

[53:08] that is uh I'm going to say 40 feet from

[53:12] from from the water. Um the the uh uh

[53:17] and then finally as to the the

[53:19] additional decking that we constructed

[53:22] in 2021. Um we did that in COVID. Uh it

[53:28] was uh there was the the rules were so

[53:31] strict with regard to um having uh uh

[53:37] people over and distancing that we added

[53:40] a a portion to the deck. Um uh and that

[53:44] was done just uh uh during and for uh co

[53:49] um again the the cottage itself

[53:52] including the decking I appreciate on a

[53:54] map might look like a lot going on but

[53:56] it's actually exceptionally modest

[53:58] compared to a lot of the of the cottages

[54:01] that are on the lake and it wouldn't

[54:03] even come close to cottages that you'd

[54:05] see in u on the St. Lawrence. It's just

[54:09] a very modest 1950s build with with two

[54:12] bedrooms and with uh some some uh small

[54:16] decking around the outside. Um we are it

[54:19] is an island. Uh it's one acre, just

[54:21] over an acre. We're the only uh cottage

[54:24] on the island. Um and uh it it's it's um

[54:30] it's proved to be a great place for our

[54:32] family and we would be exceptionally

[54:34] grateful uh to the committee um if it

[54:37] permits. uh these exceptions to the

[54:39] zoning bylaw. Um, and we're very

[54:42] grateful to the staff uh of both the

[54:44] township and the uh uh uh uh

[54:49] conservation authority for for all of

[54:52] their help and guidance throughout this

[54:53] process. Uh thank you.

[54:55] >> Thank you.

[54:57] » Thank you.

[54:57] Okay. So, we've heard from council and

[55:00] we've heard from the applicant. So,

[55:03] seeing no further hands up, I will call

[55:06] the question of the motion. that's at

[55:08] hand. All those in favor?

[55:11] All those opposed? And it is carried.

[55:13] Thank you very much. And um we'll move

[55:16] forward with 9.2.

[55:19] Uh supplementary report zoning bylaw

[55:22] amendment D14-2025-010

[55:26] application for 439,000 Parkway. Moved

[55:29] by councelor Antoine Hartley, seconded

[55:31] by deputy mayor FOD that the committee

[55:33] the whole recommends that council

[55:34] approve zoning bylaw amendment

[55:36] application D14-2025-010

[55:40] to reszone the portion of the property

[55:42] municipally known as 439 Thousand

[55:45] Islands Parkway currently zoned tourist

[55:48] commercial CT zone to Shoreline

[55:50] Residential Special Exemption RS-63

[55:54] zone in township zoning by line number

[55:56] 07-079.

[55:58] 9 and that the committee the whole

[55:59] recommends that council further amend

[56:01] bylaw number 07-079

[56:03] zoning bylaw of the corporation of the

[56:06] township of Leeds in the Thousand

[56:07] Islands as amended as per exhibit A

[56:09] recommended amending bylaw and schedule

[56:12] A to report number 2025-087

[56:15] and that the committee the whole

[56:16] recommends that council grant three

[56:18] readings and final passage to the

[56:19] amending bylaw motions on the floor up

[56:22] for discussion.

[56:23] So for the um newcomer here, this has

[56:27] already come through uh a couple of

[56:30] times to council uh with uh

[56:33] presentations made by the applicants

[56:37] agent. Um and it has been in front of

[56:40] council twice to ask questions, but this

[56:42] is the decision in regards to the

[56:44] request for changing the zoning. So I

[56:47] know you can read, but this has been one

[56:49] that's required a lot of back and forth.

[56:51] So anyways, uh I just wanted for the

[56:54] public's also the public's knowledge

[56:56] that this has come back for this is the

[56:59] third time that we're discussing this at

[57:01] the table. Um so discussion go ahead. Uh

[57:05] I've got councelor lackey and I've got

[57:07] deputy mayor fod.

[57:09] >> Thank you worship and through you. I

[57:11] » Thank you worship and through you. I

[57:11] think it's similar to the the questions

[57:13] that I had last time. Um so the property

[57:16] itself uh in the beginning stages um it

[57:20] was purchased as um shoreline commercial

[57:25] um

[57:25] >> commercial it's tourist commercial

[57:28] » commercial it's tourist commercial

[57:28] >> tour sorry tourist commercial

[57:30] » tour sorry tourist commercial

[57:30] >> um

[57:31] » um

[57:31] and we accepted that um through all our

[57:35] planning rationale um all the way

[57:37] through um and then at the last meeting

[57:41] were we not told that it was always the

[57:43] intent of the applicant that it was

[57:46] going to be a residential building.

[57:50] That's my first question.

[57:52] >> I believe that is what the applicant

[57:54] » I believe that is what the applicant

[57:54] said at the last meeting if we go back

[57:57] and roll tape, but

[57:59] >> I'm fairly certain that's what was said.

[58:02] » I'm fairly certain that's what was said.

[58:02] >> I'll let the I'll let the director of

[58:04] » I'll let the I'll let the director of

[58:04] planning confirm that

[58:05] >> or not confirm it.

[58:07] » or not confirm it.

[58:07] >> Doesn't matter. We can go back and look

[58:08] » Doesn't matter. We can go back and look

[58:08] because I know that's what was

[58:10] >> okay. That was what was said.

[58:11] » okay. That was what was said.

[58:11] >> That's what was said

[58:11] » That's what was said

[58:12] >> through you. Uh the challenge was they

[58:14] » through you. Uh the challenge was they

[58:14] intended to build they indicated they

[58:16] intended to build residential. However,

[58:19] once they started building residential

[58:22] recogniz once they started building

[58:25] under the existing zoning framework

[58:27] which is tourist commercial and building

[58:29] to the commercial standard they realized

[58:31] it was cost prohibitive to build to the

[58:34] commercial standard for what they

[58:35] indicated would be a residential use

[58:37] which is why the zoning amendments come

[58:39] forward. So again for clarification they

[58:42] told us in the beginning that they were

[58:44] doing a corporate retreat which is

[58:46] tourist commercial

[58:48] >> fit under that category.

[58:49] » fit under that category.

[58:49] >> Correct.

[58:50] » Correct.

[58:50] >> And now it's we were told that it was

[58:53] » And now it's we were told that it was

[58:53] always going to be residential is what

[58:56] we heard last meeting.

[58:57] >> Correct.

[58:58] » Correct.

[58:58] >> So I'm [clears throat] a little confused

[59:00] » So I'm [clears throat] a little confused

[59:00] there. I think um you know whether it

[59:02] was a misunderstanding or I I don't know

[59:04] what you want to call it. I know what I

[59:05] would call it but I'm not going to. Um

[59:08] my other question to the planner is um

[59:10] that zoning um that's a pretty important

[59:14] zoning there. How many other vacant lots

[59:17] roughly are out there that have that

[59:19] particular zoning

[59:21] of of commercial

[59:23] >> tourist commercial

[59:24] » tourist commercial

[59:24] >> commercial? Do we have any available?

[59:28] » commercial? Do we have any available?

[59:28] >> I would not be able to tell you the

[59:29] » I would not be able to tell you the

[59:29] answer. And what would to get one zoned?

[59:34] Is that a big process?

[59:39] » The special policy area for the Thousand

[59:41] Islands area indicates that tourist

[59:44] commercial uses are permitted south of

[59:46] the Parkway on properties adjacent to

[59:49] existing tourist commercial uses. So,

[59:52] um,

[59:53] >> so unless you were beside an existing

[59:55] » so unless you were beside an existing

[59:55] tourist commercial, you couldn't get a

[59:58] >> We're currently designated as

[59:59] » We're currently designated as

[59:59] >> So, it's a hard it's a hard thing to get

[1:00:01] » So, it's a hard it's a hard thing to get

[1:00:01] and virtually almost impossible. there

[1:00:03] are.

[1:00:04] >> So, so what we're doing is we're taking

[1:00:05] » So, so what we're doing is we're taking

[1:00:06] a commercially zoned property and we're

[1:00:09] eliminating that from the potential

[1:00:11] commercial opportunities that could have

[1:00:13] existed

[1:00:15] um even with their even with their um uh

[1:00:19] um corporate retreat that may have

[1:00:21] provided a job or two. It may have um

[1:00:24] may have done a number of things, but

[1:00:26] that's only speculation. Um, I think

[1:00:28] it's it's the zoning and the the fact

[1:00:30] that,

[1:00:32] you know, what what um inspections were

[1:00:36] done as

[1:00:39] one zoning versus what inspections would

[1:00:41] have been done in another zoning. So,

[1:00:44] we're changing halfway through the

[1:00:46] specifications of things.

[1:00:49] Is that a problem?

[1:00:54] So, you're going to have some of this

[1:00:56] place zoned or or built to commercial

[1:00:58] and some are going to be built to

[1:01:00] residential

[1:01:02] >> through you. Um, at the last meeting,

[1:01:04] » through you. Um, at the last meeting,

[1:01:04] the applicant indicated that the

[1:01:06] property has been sitting

[1:01:09] in a construction has ceased because

[1:01:12] they are unsure what standard they they

[1:01:15] they're not building to that commercial

[1:01:17] standard at this point. So it is sitting

[1:01:19] the commercial or sorry the construction

[1:01:21] has ceased at this point. From a purely

[1:01:23] land use perspective what we need to

[1:01:26] look at as planners is is the land use

[1:01:29] compatible with the adjacent land uses

[1:01:31] and what is the most compatible use for

[1:01:33] the property. So from a land use

[1:01:36] consideration perspective

[1:01:39] the official plan permits both

[1:01:41] residential and tourist commercial south

[1:01:43] of the 401 in this area. in terms of

[1:01:45] challenges in the nature of the

[1:01:47] construction that's really a building

[1:01:49] code issue. So it's not part of the

[1:01:51] planning considerations.

[1:01:53] >> Right. Thank you.

[1:01:54] » Right. Thank you.

[1:01:54] >> I have deputy mayor FOD.

[1:01:57] » I have deputy mayor FOD.

[1:01:57] >> Thank you worship through you. At that

[1:01:59] » Thank you worship through you. At that

[1:01:59] last meeting I think it was a designer

[1:02:01] representing the owner who made the

[1:02:03] statement it was beneficial for us to

[1:02:05] carry on with the current zoning to

[1:02:07] allow us to build the way we did. And

[1:02:10] now they've got there they want to

[1:02:11] switch back to this.

[1:02:14] Um, councelor Laki is correct. I mean,

[1:02:18] there's a much less uh

[1:02:21] ownerous designation on the property.

[1:02:23] Should they switch it back? Um,

[1:02:26] I don't know.

[1:02:28] I know

[1:02:31] that there's a number of unanswered

[1:02:32] questions here. And then once this is

[1:02:35] approved,

[1:02:37] then what?

[1:02:39] >> So, I'll get to that before I call the

[1:02:41] » So, I'll get to that before I call the

[1:02:41] question. and I have councelor Calman

[1:02:43] and then I have councelor maybe.

[1:02:45] >> Thank you worship and through you. I

[1:02:48] » Thank you worship and through you. I

[1:02:48] have several questions. Um the first is

[1:02:50] along the same lines. So we are told in

[1:02:54] the staff report that the reason for the

[1:02:56] request to the zoning change is the

[1:02:57] prohibitive cost if it were to remain

[1:03:00] commercial tourism. Um in the Boulevard

[1:03:05] planning justification report it says

[1:03:08] that

[1:03:10] um CT zoning prohibits principal

[1:03:13] residential use and that is the that's

[1:03:16] under the zoning

[1:03:20] relief justification. So is is that is

[1:03:23] it to be a principal residence or is it

[1:03:25] to be a vacation property?

[1:03:28] [snorts]

[1:03:31] The applicant has indicated that it's to

[1:03:33] be a residential property and that the

[1:03:35] primary use of the property subject to

[1:03:37] the zoning amendment would be

[1:03:38] residential.

[1:03:39] >> Okay. But that doesn't mean it will be

[1:03:41] » Okay. But that doesn't mean it will be

[1:03:41] their prime residence. We don't know

[1:03:43] that.

[1:03:44] >> We don't know that and we can't regulate

[1:03:46] » We don't know that and we can't regulate

[1:03:46] that.

[1:03:47] >> Okay. So, I'm just wondering what is the

[1:03:51] » Okay. So, I'm just wondering what is the

[1:03:51] reason for the change in the zoning? Is

[1:03:53] it because of the cost or is it because

[1:03:55] it can't be used as a principal

[1:03:57] residence if they don't get the zoning

[1:03:59] change?

[1:04:00] um through you just for clarification

[1:04:02] the tourist commercial zoning allows a

[1:04:04] tourist commercial use and an accessory

[1:04:07] dwelling unit. So the residential use

[1:04:11] could not be the primary use of the

[1:04:13] property under the tourist commercial

[1:04:15] zoning. The primary use of the property

[1:04:17] would need to be a tourist commercial

[1:04:19] use. Okay?

[1:04:20] >> And then the residential use is only

[1:04:22] » And then the residential use is only

[1:04:22] accessory to that tourist commercial

[1:04:26] use. So the context of primary residents

[1:04:28] being used here is different than the

[1:04:30] context of what she just said.

[1:04:32] >> But if the zoning change amendment is

[1:04:36] » But if the zoning change amendment is

[1:04:36] not granted, would they be able to live

[1:04:40] there?

[1:04:43] If the tourist commercial zoning remains

[1:04:45] on the property as it is, the

[1:04:47] residential use on the property would be

[1:04:50] required to be accessory to a tourist

[1:04:52] commercial use.

[1:04:54] >> Thank you. Um, do we know

[1:04:58] » Thank you. Um, do we know

[1:04:58] what if it is if it is the cost

[1:05:00] prohibitive factor, do we know what the

[1:05:03] cost is that they're talking about? What

[1:05:06] do they have a ballpark figure of what

[1:05:08] this prohibitive cost would be?

[1:05:11] >> Well, fire suppression was one of them,

[1:05:14] » Well, fire suppression was one of them,

[1:05:14] I believe. And that on a in a commercial

[1:05:17] use is much different than a residential

[1:05:19] use.

[1:05:20] I'm just wondering if there's been

[1:05:22] >> I don't know the cost but in speaking

[1:05:24] » I don't know the cost but in speaking

[1:05:24] with the building officials it has to do

[1:05:26] with the fire separation. So in a

[1:05:28] commercial use when you have units you

[1:05:30] have to have fire suppression and

[1:05:32] dampers between the units. So you have

[1:05:34] to have fire brakes between them which

[1:05:36] is a different level of construction

[1:05:38] than would be required for a residential

[1:05:40] use.

[1:05:41] >> And my last question is about the

[1:05:45] » And my last question is about the

[1:05:45] clarification on the cash in lie of

[1:05:46] parkland. So, it says in the staff

[1:05:49] report that it's a 2% rate for

[1:05:52] commercial properties and a 5% rate for

[1:05:54] residential properties.

[1:05:57] And so, if the zoning amendment was

[1:06:00] granted, would they have to pay the

[1:06:02] additional

[1:06:05] amount, the additional percentage?

[1:06:07] >> No, they wouldn't have to pay the

[1:06:08] » No, they wouldn't have to pay the

[1:06:08] additional percentage because

[1:06:10] technically as a residential use, it

[1:06:11] wouldn't necessarily be subject to site

[1:06:13] plan control. Um but the 2% was

[1:06:17] considered an uplift because it had

[1:06:19] previously been used as the residential

[1:06:21] use. So the t putting it subject to site

[1:06:25] plan control when the commercial use was

[1:06:27] proposed was subject to the cash in L of

[1:06:31] parkland requirement. Um the 5% would

[1:06:35] only apply if a new lot was being

[1:06:36] created through a consent.

[1:06:39] >> Okay. Thank you. I just have a comment

[1:06:41] » Okay. Thank you. I just have a comment

[1:06:41] if I may. Um,

[1:06:45] and I've made this comment before and I

[1:06:47] don't know if it's intentional, but when

[1:06:48] I read the official plans, the township

[1:06:50] and the county plans, some of the

[1:06:52] language is ambiguous. And so I don't

[1:06:54] know if that's intentional to give some

[1:06:57] leeway to councils or municipalities

[1:06:59] when they're making these decisions. But

[1:07:01] for example, if we had to if I had to

[1:07:04] give a land use planning reason for not

[1:07:08] approving this zoning amendment, it says

[1:07:11] that

[1:07:13] um under our township official plan, one

[1:07:16] of the justifications given is that the

[1:07:18] new buildings being added to the site,

[1:07:20] so these are the sub the accessory

[1:07:22] buildings will assist in preserving and

[1:07:25] enhancing the aesthetic value of the

[1:07:27] area. Well, aesthetic value is a very

[1:07:30] subjective term. So, I'm kind of

[1:07:33] surprised it's in there. But

[1:07:36] that leaves that open to our

[1:07:38] interpretation. And for myself,

[1:07:41] when this was originally presented with

[1:07:43] these accessory structures, one of which

[1:07:45] is very large, has a fourcar garage in

[1:07:49] the bay in the bottom of it. Um, if I

[1:07:52] looked at that, as councelor Lackey was

[1:07:54] saying, as a corporate retreat, I would

[1:07:56] say I personally don't find those

[1:07:59] buildings attractive on our beautiful

[1:08:01] natural shoreline. And I think that

[1:08:03] those three buildings on that lot are

[1:08:06] very large and it it doesn't fit into

[1:08:09] the surrounding landscape. But my mind

[1:08:12] would say because it's a corporate

[1:08:14] retreat, it might bring visitors to our

[1:08:16] area. It might bring tourist dollars to

[1:08:18] our area. it might increase the this the

[1:08:22] people that are seeing and visiting our

[1:08:24] area. So the aesthetic value is one

[1:08:28] thing. When I look at it as a private

[1:08:29] residence, it completely alters my

[1:08:31] aesthetic value and evaluation of that

[1:08:33] property. And I don't think it's

[1:08:36] appropriate land use. Um and then

[1:08:39] there's another part it says within the

[1:08:42] justification under the planning act it

[1:08:44] one of the justifications is that it

[1:08:46] encourages a sense of place which again

[1:08:49] is very ambiguous and I could argue that

[1:08:52] I cannot vote in vote in favor of this

[1:08:55] because I do not think that those

[1:08:57] buildings in that location encourage a

[1:08:59] sense of place on the St. Lawrence River

[1:09:01] in our beautiful township. So those

[1:09:04] would be my land use justifications for

[1:09:09] voting against land use planning reasons

[1:09:12] for voting against this zoning

[1:09:14] amendment. I think that they've the

[1:09:17] owner and the the planners have or not

[1:09:20] not our planners, the the boulevard have

[1:09:22] really muddled this by not being clear

[1:09:24] from the beginning what their intentions

[1:09:26] were. And I just u am very cautious of

[1:09:31] what's going to happen with this

[1:09:33] property in the future. And I have one

[1:09:34] more thing to add. Sorry. Um some of us

[1:09:37] were at the recent economic development

[1:09:39] summit and there was a lot of talk about

[1:09:41] energy use. And when I look at those

[1:09:44] buildings, I'm assuming they're on grid.

[1:09:46] I'm not sure, but I think about what

[1:09:49] it's going to cost to heat those

[1:09:50] buildings. And I wonder how often those

[1:09:52] buildings are going to be used, and by

[1:09:54] how many people, and what amount of

[1:09:57] energy is going to be sucked into

[1:09:59] heating those large buildings, two of

[1:10:01] whom two of which apparently are not

[1:10:03] going to have people living in them. So,

[1:10:05] I don't know. I don't think under

[1:10:07] current planning or current uh plans

[1:10:10] that that's something we take into

[1:10:11] consideration. It probably is something

[1:10:13] we should take into consideration.

[1:10:16] And that is all I have. Thank you.

[1:10:18] >> Okay. Um I've got councelor maybe and

[1:10:21] » Okay. Um I've got councelor maybe and

[1:10:22] then uh deputy mayor vod. Go ahead.

[1:10:25] >> Uh thank you madame mayor and through

[1:10:27] » Uh thank you madame mayor and through

[1:10:27] you. One of my things is if this was a

[1:10:29] residential um uh property right from

[1:10:32] the get-go and since it was a brand new

[1:10:34] build, would there have been a species

[1:10:37] at risk um survey uh report needing

[1:10:40] needed?

[1:10:42] >> I don't think so. Not if it was

[1:10:44] » I don't think so. Not if it was

[1:10:44] residential.

[1:10:46] >> Okay,

[1:10:46] » Okay,

[1:10:46] >> Madam Planner,

[1:10:48] » Madam Planner,

[1:10:48] I don't on our residential builds. If it

[1:10:51] was zoned residential, there would be no

[1:10:53] species at risk study required. I don't

[1:10:56] believe.

[1:10:59] » Thank you. And through you. Um it's my

[1:11:01] recollection that there was an

[1:11:03] environmental impact statement that was

[1:11:05] prepared. Um

[1:11:06] >> that was based on the fact that it was

[1:11:08] » that was based on the fact that it was

[1:11:08] tourist commercial.

[1:11:09] >> Uh it was based on Yes. And the

[1:11:12] » Uh it was based on Yes. And the

[1:11:12] proximity to the wetland. Um

[1:11:16] >> Okay. Yeah. I was just curious on

[1:11:19] » Okay. Yeah. I was just curious on

[1:11:19] whether because we've had other reports

[1:11:21] for lands where residential uh builds

[1:11:25] have been put on and uh we've had a

[1:11:27] fairly extensive report

[1:11:30] uh for different things even a tree on

[1:11:33] one I remember. So I so I just wondering

[1:11:37] you know whether that's a cost factor

[1:11:41] from this particular uh applicant. And

[1:11:44] then there's a other in the report there

[1:11:47] fees of $33,750

[1:11:50] to $22,750.

[1:11:52] And I was trying to wrap my head on how

[1:11:54] that worked.

[1:11:56] >> There's more inspections involved in a

[1:11:58] » There's more inspections involved in a

[1:11:58] building that is commercial. Correct.

[1:12:01] with a to the point I think that

[1:12:03] councelor lackey made earlier that we've

[1:12:06] expended a lot more as far as the

[1:12:08] building department is concerned as far

[1:12:10] as reviewing and and

[1:12:12] >> so there's a rebate

[1:12:12] » so there's a rebate

[1:12:12] >> attending

[1:12:14] » attending

[1:12:14] >> it's not a rebate I don't believe

[1:12:16] » it's not a rebate I don't believe

[1:12:16] >> so that figure that's being referenced

[1:12:18] » so that figure that's being referenced

[1:12:18] the 22750

[1:12:20] is site plan control securities that

[1:12:22] were held because it was a subject to

[1:12:24] site plan control to ensure that the

[1:12:27] grading and paving were done on the site

[1:12:28] in accordance with the approved plans

[1:12:30] Okay. Okay. Thank you.

[1:12:33] >> Okay. Uh there seems to be a light bulb

[1:12:35] » Okay. Uh there seems to be a light bulb

[1:12:35] moment. I'm going to go to Mr. Lackey in

[1:12:38] regards to that comment and then I'll go

[1:12:40] back to deputy mayor.

[1:12:41] >> So that check was written to us in the

[1:12:44] » So that check was written to us in the

[1:12:44] beginning as commercial. So they

[1:12:47] willingly knowingly

[1:12:49] wrote you a check knowing it was going

[1:12:51] to be a commercial building

[1:12:55] >> due to site plan control. But again, we

[1:12:58] » due to site plan control. But again, we

[1:12:58] go back to last week.

[1:13:01] It was always going to be a residential

[1:13:03] building. Is that not the quote?

[1:13:07] » I'm going to go back to the deputy

[1:13:09] mayor. Go ahead.

[1:13:10] >> My apologies.

[1:13:11] » My apologies.

[1:13:11] >> Thank you, worship. Just a comment to

[1:13:13] » Thank you, worship. Just a comment to

[1:13:13] councelor Kelman. The reason there's

[1:13:15] confusion between the official plan, our

[1:13:18] official plan wasn't the only one that

[1:13:20] was rushed through before the municipal

[1:13:21] election of 18, but it was. Ours was. It

[1:13:25] wasn't properly vetted. There was a big

[1:13:28] push on by those wanting that official

[1:13:30] plan to be registered and it is and uh

[1:13:35] I'm sure the planning department knows

[1:13:37] all about it.

[1:13:39] I'm going to take my lead from the

[1:13:40] applicant themselves much along the

[1:13:42] lines of councelor Lackey and Kelman and

[1:13:45] others who made comments. They made

[1:13:47] applications

[1:13:49] that uh they were going to build knowing

[1:13:51] it's tourist commercial. That's good

[1:13:53] enough for me. Thank you.

[1:13:56] >> Okay. Um, I'm going to call the question

[1:14:00] » Okay. Um, I'm going to call the question

[1:14:00] uh at this point in time and then I'll

[1:14:01] reserve my comment till afterwards. All

[1:14:04] in favor of the motion at hand, please

[1:14:05] raise your hand.

[1:14:08] All those opposed,

[1:14:11] it is unanimously defeated. So my

[1:14:14] comment will be uh as far as rationale

[1:14:17] uh the planner has asked for rationale.

[1:14:19] Um, so I thank councelor Kelman for

[1:14:22] being a bit more concise with her

[1:14:24] rationale, but I'm going to take the

[1:14:26] comments made by councelor lackey and

[1:14:29] and the other members who've who've made

[1:14:31] comments. So the I would say that the

[1:14:35] rationale of the decision of this

[1:14:36] council to turn this zoning um change

[1:14:40] down is specifically for the fact that

[1:14:43] this property as tourist commercial is a

[1:14:46] very extremely hard designation to get

[1:14:49] in this township. And to be fair it is

[1:14:53] surrounded by residential properties and

[1:14:55] it has been tourist commercial since

[1:14:59] before Jeff Lackey was born which is a

[1:15:01] long time ago. So, [laughter]

[1:15:04] um, so the point being is that when

[1:15:06] people are looking to invest in this

[1:15:08] township and they're looking for

[1:15:10] specific types of property, especially

[1:15:12] waterfront that they can do certain

[1:15:14] things on, this uh zoning is extremely

[1:15:19] valuable.

[1:15:21] So, while I appreciate that these folks

[1:15:24] sunk money into purchasing a property

[1:15:27] that was zoned tourist commercial and

[1:15:29] then have incurred these additional

[1:15:31] costs, they knew this at the beginning.

[1:15:34] They applied for building permits

[1:15:36] knowing this is the case and now

[1:15:39] halfway 3/4 of the way through they're

[1:15:42] changing their mind. So, as far as um

[1:15:45] the the council's decision, it's made

[1:15:48] based on the fact that this tourist

[1:15:51] designation is important to our

[1:15:53] municipality. It's important to

[1:15:55] businesses who want to operate and

[1:15:58] exist. Um and as far as them changing

[1:16:02] their mind halfway through,

[1:16:05] that's unfortunate.

[1:16:07] So, I would say, do you need further

[1:16:09] rationale, Madam Planner? Nope. Okay. If

[1:16:14] uh there is further rationale required,

[1:16:16] please have them direct uh comments back

[1:16:18] to myself and um we can bring it back to

[1:16:21] have further discussion. But other than

[1:16:22] that, the decision has been made this

[1:16:24] evening.

[1:16:25] So, moving along. So, we've got about 15

[1:16:28] minutes before an hour and a half ends.

[1:16:30] We'll see how far we can get.

[1:16:34] Next item is 9.3 C 2026 council

[1:16:38] committee and conference schedule. Moved

[1:16:40] by councelor May, seconded by councelor

[1:16:42] Antoine Hartley that the committee of

[1:16:43] the whole recommends that council

[1:16:44] approve the 2026 council committee and

[1:16:47] conference schedule and approve the

[1:16:49] outline deviations from the procedural

[1:16:50] bylaw and committee terms of reference.

[1:16:53] So before you folks, you have the

[1:16:56] wonderful calendar with all the colored

[1:16:58] highlights. Thank you, Madame Clerk. Um

[1:17:01] there's only one date in here that I

[1:17:03] would like you to draw your special

[1:17:05] attention to. Um at this point in time

[1:17:12] there is a um

[1:17:16] sorry the training day the special

[1:17:19] training day which is in February. So

[1:17:21] it's February 19th which is the proposed

[1:17:24] date that is uh our off-site training

[1:17:27] day for all of council that we do. So

[1:17:29] it's February 19th. Does anybody It's

[1:17:32] proposed. It's not locked in stone.

[1:17:33] Obviously we haven't passed anything

[1:17:35] yet. Is that date prohibitive for anyone

[1:17:39] at this time?

[1:17:41] It's not to say that if somebody if you

[1:17:45] can't come, that's fine. But we just

[1:17:47] hope that there's enough time that you

[1:17:49] can plan in your schedule. That's an

[1:17:51] important day. Um where we go off site

[1:17:54] with uh senior managers and uh get

[1:17:57] updated from lawyers and all sorts of

[1:18:00] fun things. uh the new counselor,

[1:18:02] councelorlair will be excited to learn

[1:18:05] all the fun stuff that we have to do

[1:18:08] procedurally.

[1:18:10] So um any other comments or questions in

[1:18:14] regards to the dates that you have

[1:18:15] before you folks? Go ahead. Uh councelor

[1:18:18] or deputy mayor voting.

[1:18:19] >> Thank you worship through you. Why do we

[1:18:22] » Thank you worship through you. Why do we

[1:18:22] not have a separate committee of the

[1:18:24] whole in November?

[1:18:27] >> Because in November that will be after

[1:18:29] » Because in November that will be after

[1:18:29] the election.

[1:18:31] So there'll be one.

[1:18:33] >> It's too soon. The you're talking about

[1:18:35] » It's too soon. The you're talking about

[1:18:35] swearing in would be

[1:18:38] >> okay.

[1:18:39] » okay.

[1:18:39] >> Yeah. So after um through your worship,

[1:18:42] » Yeah. So after um through your worship,

[1:18:42] sorry. Um after the October 13th date,

[1:18:45] the municipal election is the 26th. So

[1:18:49] um technically you're in that limbo

[1:18:52] period where you can't make decisions

[1:18:55] anymore. Yeah. You're in lame duck. Um

[1:18:58] no decisions can be made. Uh the end of

[1:19:00] the term is the 14th. So if anything

[1:19:03] crazy, any emergency comes up, you can

[1:19:06] still deal with things, but we don't

[1:19:07] have council or committee of the whole

[1:19:09] meetings. Um and then that inaugural

[1:19:11] meeting will be on the 16th, the the

[1:19:13] most um uh closest date after the uh

[1:19:18] after November 15th, which is when the

[1:19:20] new term starts.

[1:19:22] >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:19:23] » Okay. Thank you.

[1:19:23] >> Okay. Any further questions or comments

[1:19:26] » Okay. Any further questions or comments

[1:19:26] in regards to the calendar?

[1:19:29] Seeing none, I'll call the question. All

[1:19:31] those in favor, all those opposed and

[1:19:34] we're carried. And I can't wait till all

[1:19:37] the digital invites come in to autopop

[1:19:39] populate the calendar.

[1:19:41] >> Sorry.

[1:19:42] » Sorry.

[1:19:42] >> No, I I'm quite happy to have it. Just

[1:19:45] » No, I I'm quite happy to have it. Just

[1:19:45] make sure you set up don't put the email

[1:19:48] receipt. So otherwise your email box

[1:19:50] will be full. Um, next item is 2026

[1:19:55] municipal elections voting, voting

[1:19:57] equipment and alternative methods. So

[1:19:59] the motion comes forward from deputy

[1:20:02] mayor FOD seconded by councelor maybe.

[1:20:04] The committee of the whole recommends

[1:20:05] that council give the attached bylaw

[1:20:07] second or first second and third reading

[1:20:09] and final approval and that the clerk is

[1:20:11] authorized to request quotes from

[1:20:12] companies to use for the use of vote

[1:20:15] counting equipment in accordance with

[1:20:16] the township's procurement policy for

[1:20:18] the 2026 municipal election. discussion

[1:20:21] on the motion.

[1:20:23] >> Go ahead, Premier Fod.

[1:20:25] » Go ahead, Premier Fod.

[1:20:25] >> Not so much a discussion as a comment.

[1:20:28] » Not so much a discussion as a comment.

[1:20:28] The province of Alberta recently held an

[1:20:30] election out there and they banned uh

[1:20:34] automated ting machines.

[1:20:37] That's the first province to go complete

[1:20:39] reversal on that. So, it's

[1:20:42] I know it's a trend that needs to be

[1:20:45] addressed by the governments to decide

[1:20:49] what they're going to do. And we all

[1:20:51] know what the problem is. There's

[1:20:53] there's no law precluding tampering with

[1:20:57] machines prior to elections. And that's

[1:20:59] the long and the short of it. I would

[1:21:01] like to see that happen in this

[1:21:02] province, but I've been waiting since

[1:21:05] 2018.

[1:21:07] But uh anyway, I'm just throwing a

[1:21:10] little light on to why some of us uh

[1:21:12] when we had this discussion earlier were

[1:21:14] adamant that there's paper ballots.

[1:21:17] Thank you.

[1:21:18] >> Any further comments or questions about

[1:21:20] » Any further comments or questions about

[1:21:20] the motion that's at hand? I'll call the

[1:21:23] question. All those in favor? All those

[1:21:26] opposed?

[1:21:27] And we're carried.

[1:21:30] Next item. Very exciting motion this

[1:21:33] evening. moved by uh deputy mayor FOD,

[1:21:35] seconded by councelor Antoine Hartley,

[1:21:37] that the committee of the whole

[1:21:38] recommends that council authorize the

[1:21:40] acting CEO and the director of corporate

[1:21:42] services to execute documents to

[1:21:43] facilitate a change order to renew depot

[1:21:46] operations agreement number 2024-00-139

[1:21:51] after the initial transition term for an

[1:21:53] additional three one-year terms based on

[1:21:57] annual budget approval, mutual

[1:21:59] agreement, and successful successful

[1:22:01] completion of the initial term. in each

[1:22:04] subsequent renewal. and that the

[1:22:06] committee of the whole recommends that

[1:22:07] council direct the operations and

[1:22:08] infrastructure department to proceed

[1:22:10] with a recycle depot at the Landsttown

[1:22:13] landfill site for the collection of

[1:22:14] recycle materials from non-eligible

[1:22:16] sources to be funded within the proposed

[1:22:19] operating budget and that the committee

[1:22:22] the whole recommends that council direct

[1:22:23] the operations and infrastructure

[1:22:24] department to conduct a financial and

[1:22:27] operational review of initiating a

[1:22:29] townshipwide curbside collection program

[1:22:32] for household garbage.

[1:22:34] Motion is on the floor. Discussion.

[1:22:38] Uh, go ahead, Deputy Mayor Fod.

[1:22:40] >> Thank you, worshipu to our director of

[1:22:42] » Thank you, worshipu to our director of

[1:22:42] operations.

[1:22:44] How much time would it take to come up

[1:22:46] with all the factual numbers required

[1:22:48] for curbside pickup?

[1:22:51] >> Uh, through your worship. I'm actually

[1:22:53] » Uh, through your worship. I'm actually

[1:22:53] going to work backwards on that one. So,

[1:22:55] I I spoke with a supplier for for

[1:22:57] delivering a truck. So looking at all of

[1:23:00] the options, whether you know curbside

[1:23:02] collection would be delivered by a

[1:23:04] contractor, would be delivered by the

[1:23:06] municipality, or whether we'd not do it

[1:23:07] at all. Um, work backwards on on what

[1:23:09] would take the longest time. And for a

[1:23:12] garbage truck provider to deliver a

[1:23:14] truck, we're looking at a 100 days

[1:23:15] minimum. Um, so I think that we need to

[1:23:18] shoot for uh having information to you

[1:23:21] guys before July 1st of next year to

[1:23:22] allow us sufficient time to tender and

[1:23:24] be able to uh purchase a truck in

[1:23:26] advance of of uh the next season.

[1:23:30] >> Okay. A follow-up question. Are we

[1:23:33] » Okay. A follow-up question. Are we

[1:23:33] getting deep in the weeds, so to speak,

[1:23:35] if we put a questionnaire out with next

[1:23:38] year's municipal election as to see what

[1:23:41] the the people want? because this would

[1:23:45] be an this would add expense to the tax

[1:23:48] bill. There's no question about it.

[1:23:50] >> We we don't know that yet.

[1:23:52] » We we don't know that yet.

[1:23:52] >> We don't know that yet.

[1:23:53] » We don't know that yet.

[1:23:53] >> We don't because that's why they're

[1:23:55] » We don't because that's why they're

[1:23:55] asking for the request to get the

[1:23:57] numbers. So, we can't say that it will

[1:23:59] cost more.

[1:24:00] >> There's potential for adding expense to

[1:24:02] » There's potential for adding expense to

[1:24:02] the tax bill, but I know there's a lot

[1:24:06] of things that are not in the expense

[1:24:09] should we go to curbside pickup. Um, I

[1:24:13] know the director of operation well

[1:24:14] enough that he would be about two light

[1:24:17] years ahead of me on this statement. We

[1:24:19] also need to look into electric trucks.

[1:24:22] Uh, trucks that are going on a frequency

[1:24:24] basis like this every day and they're

[1:24:26] only doing X number of hours. I know

[1:24:29] that some of the cities are on electric

[1:24:32] truck pickup. Now, there should be ample

[1:24:34] ample information out there as to the

[1:24:38] success of these trucks or not. and uh I

[1:24:42] would look forward to seeing all of this

[1:24:44] at some point. Thank you.

[1:24:45] >> So, based on what the director indicated

[1:24:48] » So, based on what the director indicated

[1:24:48] as far as having it back to us by July,

[1:24:51] if it were to be cost prohibitive or

[1:24:54] what have you, depending on information

[1:24:56] that comes back from the department, we

[1:24:59] could then make it a plebite if it's

[1:25:01] done before July. Correct, Madam Clerk?

[1:25:04] So, we could. So to the point that

[1:25:07] you're trying to make until we have the

[1:25:09] information we don't want to make any

[1:25:11] decision um obviously um but having said

[1:25:14] that if it is a borderline decision we

[1:25:18] can give it to the to the residents

[1:25:22] whether they want it or not. So

[1:25:24] depending on how the numbers shake out.

[1:25:26] Go ahead.

[1:25:28] >> Thank you worship. Just an aside from

[1:25:30] » Thank you worship. Just an aside from

[1:25:30] that comment you just made. Based on the

[1:25:32] last x number of years of vote, we're

[1:25:35] only going to get a response from 35 to

[1:25:37] 45% of the residents.

[1:25:40] >> Well, let me put it to you this way.

[1:25:41] » Well, let me put it to you this way.

[1:25:41] Most surveys that you do and that like

[1:25:44] it's way below like 2% in some cases if

[1:25:48] you get a 5% response rate. And if you

[1:25:51] look at the the um

[1:25:54] the questionnaires that we've sent out

[1:25:56] even for recreation, what have you. So I

[1:26:00] would say that if and it could mean that

[1:26:03] you'd have more people come out and vote

[1:26:05] too. So it could actually work in

[1:26:08] meaning that you have more people

[1:26:09] interested in making their um their

[1:26:13] opinion known on the plea site as much

[1:26:15] as making their opinion known as for who

[1:26:18] to to vote for. So anyways, I think it's

[1:26:21] premature to have that discussion, but

[1:26:24] um we if this motion was to pass

[1:26:26] tonight, it just gives the authority to

[1:26:28] the staff to gather the information and

[1:26:30] the data to provide us so that we can

[1:26:33] have further discussion and then decide

[1:26:35] where to go from from there. Is that

[1:26:37] correct?

[1:26:39] >> That is correct. Just wanted to be

[1:26:41] » That is correct. Just wanted to be

[1:26:41] clear. Go ahead, councelor Kelman.

[1:26:42] >> Thank you, worship and for you. I just I

[1:26:45] » Thank you, worship and for you. I just I

[1:26:45] have a question. So, what this is asking

[1:26:47] is that all of the non-eligible sources,

[1:26:49] churches and daycarees and campgrounds,

[1:26:51] they have to take their recycling to

[1:26:53] Landstown regardless of where they are

[1:26:54] in the township. That's correct.

[1:26:57] >> Uh through your worship, that is

[1:26:58] » Uh through your worship, that is

[1:26:58] correct. We've done a cost analysis of

[1:27:00] what it would cost for us to have these

[1:27:02] at each depot and it's about $25,000 per

[1:27:05] depot for us to have that service.

[1:27:07] Obviously, we'd be a little bit more the

[1:27:08] further that we get away as well because

[1:27:10] trucking is always the higher cost, but

[1:27:12] our average we figured about $25,000 per

[1:27:14] depot.

[1:27:15] >> So, followup, um, how is that monitored?

[1:27:19] » So, followup, um, how is that monitored?

[1:27:19] So, how do the wayside attendants know

[1:27:21] if the person if if the garbage coming

[1:27:23] in, if it's just in a private vehicle,

[1:27:26] what the source of or the recycling

[1:27:28] short, sorry, what the source of the

[1:27:29] recycling is. How do they know that it's

[1:27:31] coming from a church or from a private

[1:27:33] residence?

[1:27:35] That's a great question and something

[1:27:37] that I will have to look into.

[1:27:38] >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:27:41] » Okay. Thank you.

[1:27:41] >> Stump the director evening. [laughter]

[1:27:45] Um, anybody else before I go back to

[1:27:48] deputy mayor FOD? Okay. Uh, I'll go to

[1:27:50] councelor maybe and then deputy mayor

[1:27:52] Fod.

[1:27:52] >> Thank you, Madam Mayor, and through you.

[1:27:54] » Thank you, Madam Mayor, and through you.

[1:27:54] My question was for the industrial

[1:27:57] commercial

[1:27:58] places that are now using the dump and

[1:28:01] whether they're going to have a

[1:28:02] facility. if we go to curbside to

[1:28:06] actually take it.

[1:28:07] >> Go ahead.

[1:28:12] » Thank you. Through your worship. I I

[1:28:14] don't think that we would be looking to

[1:28:16] change the

[1:28:18] um how the depot operate for anything

[1:28:21] outside of the eligible garbage

[1:28:23] collection. It's this would be mainly

[1:28:25] for um what the recycling. So, in order

[1:28:30] for a system like this to work, I I'll

[1:28:32] take a step back.

[1:28:33] You can't have one in isolation of the

[1:28:35] other. So if we we've spoken with Simo,

[1:28:38] you know, asked this question for about

[1:28:40] six months now what the feasibility

[1:28:42] would be for curbside collection. Um

[1:28:44] because most advanced municipalities

[1:28:46] have gone to curbside collection. It's

[1:28:48] just overall it's it's more

[1:28:49] cost-effective for the residents because

[1:28:51] they don't have to drive every week to

[1:28:52] the to the way site. So they've

[1:28:54] indicated that that there is an appetite

[1:28:56] on their side that they see that it's

[1:28:58] more cost effective for them to operate

[1:28:59] it as as curbside collection. But you

[1:29:02] can't do one in isolation of the other

[1:29:04] because our you know similarly to to us

[1:29:07] not signing an agreement and having them

[1:29:08] take their recycling to to front of

[1:29:11] Young it that won't work or they bring

[1:29:13] their garbage to to our depot and then

[1:29:15] take the recycling to another one

[1:29:16] everything will end up in the garbage

[1:29:18] and and and vice versa. Um, so if Simo

[1:29:23] has has indicated that they are they

[1:29:25] will support it provided that the

[1:29:26] municipality would move forward with

[1:29:28] curbside collection for garbage and that

[1:29:31] that would mean that our systems would

[1:29:33] have to align. So if if we're not if

[1:29:36] they're not collecting curbside

[1:29:37] collection for the the non-eligibles,

[1:29:40] then we wouldn't we wouldn't collect

[1:29:42] curbside for non-eligibles either

[1:29:44] because it's it's the same system. We'd

[1:29:45] have that problem on on the flip scale.

[1:29:48] >> Okay,

[1:29:48] » Okay,

[1:29:48] >> if that makes sense. I think I got my

[1:29:51] » if that makes sense. I think I got my

[1:29:51] answer. Yes. Thank you.

[1:29:52] >> Okay. Sorry, that was very longwinded.

[1:29:54] » Okay. Sorry, that was very longwinded.

[1:29:54] >> That's okay.

[1:29:57] » That's okay.

[1:29:57] >> Go ahead.

[1:29:58] » Go ahead.

[1:29:58] >> Thank you, worship through you to our

[1:30:00] » Thank you, worship through you to our

[1:30:00] director of operations. When I was

[1:30:02] leading reading the non-eligible, the

[1:30:04] only thing I thought jumped off here,

[1:30:06] not mentioned, is our own personal parks

[1:30:09] like Centennial and Kendricks and and

[1:30:11] Jerry Park. I I'm guessing that falls

[1:30:14] under municipal facilities.

[1:30:18] uh through your worship. No, actually

[1:30:19] those are included in the eligible uh

[1:30:23] collection.

[1:30:24] >> Are they?

[1:30:24] » Are they?

[1:30:24] >> They are.

[1:30:25] » They are.

[1:30:25] >> Okay, good.

[1:30:28] » Okay, good.

[1:30:28] >> Any further questions?

[1:30:31] » Any further questions?

[1:30:31] >> Seeing none, I'm going to call the

[1:30:32] » Seeing none, I'm going to call the

[1:30:32] question. All those in favor of the

[1:30:34] motion at hand,

[1:30:36] all those opposed and it is carried

[1:30:39] unanimously. Very much look forward to

[1:30:41] the information that'll come back on

[1:30:43] that report.

[1:30:44] Next item is staff reports. Recreation

[1:30:46] working group immediate 1 to threeyear

[1:30:48] information report. Um so this report is

[1:30:53] provided for information only. I just

[1:30:55] want to make the comment that I'm very

[1:30:58] uh pleased to see this committee that is

[1:31:01] continuing to work robustly and

[1:31:03] providing information all the time. Uh

[1:31:06] so kudos to both staff and members of

[1:31:09] the committee who are working hard to

[1:31:10] get that forward. Any further questions

[1:31:13] on that particular report?

[1:31:16] Okay. Uh, councelor Antoine Hartley,

[1:31:19] >> just um some clarification

[1:31:22] » just um some clarification

[1:31:22] under the financial implications. It

[1:31:24] said that sponsorship packages to fund

[1:31:27] current and future projects uh were

[1:31:29] going to be looked at. So would that

[1:31:33] include

[1:31:35] um

[1:31:37] so on the list here is uh $65,000

[1:31:41] towards a shade structure at Cely's Bay.

[1:31:44] So if a community group uh came forward

[1:31:48] uh with a donation to

[1:31:51] >> kind of like the viewing platform that

[1:31:53] » kind of like the viewing platform that

[1:31:53] happened in Llinter. Yes.

[1:31:55] >> To to to improve what you know.

[1:31:59] » To to to improve what you know.

[1:31:59] >> So instead of spending 65 if you brought

[1:32:01] » So instead of spending 65 if you brought

[1:32:01] forward 10 we could do 75.

[1:32:03] >> Yeah. Exactly.

[1:32:04] » Yeah. Exactly.

[1:32:04] >> So that's the question.

[1:32:05] » So that's the question.

[1:32:05] >> That that's the question. Thank you.

[1:32:09] » That that's the question. Thank you.

[1:32:09] >> Would that be would that donation be

[1:32:11] » Would that be would that donation be

[1:32:11] welcome?

[1:32:13] uh through your worship, I would think

[1:32:15] that donations for the municipality

[1:32:17] would always be accepted

[1:32:19] >> and um just understanding that this the

[1:32:22] » and um just understanding that this the

[1:32:22] structure would have to be built within

[1:32:25] accordance to municipal standards and uh

[1:32:28] regardless of what um the want would be.

[1:32:31] Um, I know that in past sometimes we've

[1:32:34] had some challenges with people want a

[1:32:36] certain thing, but it didn't meet

[1:32:38] municipal requirements. So, we have to

[1:32:41] build because it's a liability and a

[1:32:43] risk. So, I just want to put that out

[1:32:45] there. Not that we're turning down any

[1:32:47] sort of donations, but I just wanted to

[1:32:50] be very clear. Okay. Okay. Councelor,

[1:32:54] maybe.

[1:32:54] >> Thank you, Madam Mayor. through you. Uh

[1:32:56] » Thank you, Madam Mayor. through you. Uh

[1:32:56] for any of the items listed that have a

[1:32:58] high dollar value, is there grants being

[1:33:01] uh asked for or submitted anywhere to

[1:33:03] help fund these

[1:33:05] >> director?

[1:33:07] » director?

[1:33:07] Through your worship? Absolutely. We're

[1:33:09] we are tracking um funding opportunities

[1:33:12] all the time. I just reached out to

[1:33:13] Grant Match today uh to set up a meeting

[1:33:16] with them to start looking at some of

[1:33:17] these uh things that we've included in

[1:33:19] the the proposed budget and uh have it

[1:33:23] open up that discussion with them to see

[1:33:24] what opportunities are out there that we

[1:33:25] can move forward with.

[1:33:26] >> Excellent. Thank you.

[1:33:27] » Excellent. Thank you.

[1:33:27] >> Okay, deputy mayor. Go ahead.

[1:33:29] » Okay, deputy mayor. Go ahead.

[1:33:29] >> Thank you worship through you to our

[1:33:31] » Thank you worship through you to our

[1:33:31] director of operations. I should mention

[1:33:33] as well as has been mentioned uh this is

[1:33:36] a great report by the way from uh those

[1:33:38] of you who worked on this. It's concise

[1:33:41] and and detailed and all the above. With

[1:33:43] regards to high ticket items, we could

[1:33:46] do what many municipalities are doing

[1:33:47] and that's naming rights. Um we see it

[1:33:52] all the time. Who would envision that

[1:33:53] the gun or the old Kingston arena would

[1:33:57] be referred to as such place? But here

[1:34:00] we are. And I think there's a number of

[1:34:03] of very prosperous uh businesses in our

[1:34:06] township that would gladly step forward

[1:34:09] given the right scenario and put their

[1:34:11] name on it for a 10 15 year period or

[1:34:14] such yet to be worked out. But I I don't

[1:34:17] think it's something that should be

[1:34:18] discarded. I think there's a number of

[1:34:22] like as I said I think there's number of

[1:34:23] businesses if a properly approached and

[1:34:26] negotiated that uh they would they would

[1:34:28] do such and there would be your donation

[1:34:31] per se but uh no this report was well

[1:34:34] done thank you

[1:34:36] >> any further comments or questions

[1:34:38] » any further comments or questions

[1:34:38] seeing none we'll move on to information

[1:34:41] items any information items there madame

[1:34:44] clerk

[1:34:44] >> that's

[1:34:46] » that's

[1:34:46] >> oh no okay um rise and report uh minutes

[1:34:51] » oh no okay um rise and report uh minutes

[1:34:51] from committees, working groups and

[1:34:52] local boards. So pier and the library

[1:34:56] board both minutes from their meetings

[1:34:59] are there. So any questions for that can

[1:35:02] we can direct appropriately.

[1:35:07] Okay, we got notices of motion. Any

[1:35:10] notices of motion? Go ahead.

[1:35:14] I think somebody should speak up on

[1:35:16] behalf of the presentation we had here

[1:35:18] from Knight from the Lindhurst Pickle

[1:35:20] Ball Group. That's not a big ask. And if

[1:35:23] we can keep participation

[1:35:24] >> on what what your There was two options

[1:35:27] » on what what your There was two options

[1:35:27] there.

[1:35:27] >> There was but I

[1:35:28] » There was but I

[1:35:28] >> So it depends on what the ask is because

[1:35:30] » So it depends on what the ask is because

[1:35:30] one of them is not as intense as the

[1:35:33] >> I would I would take baby steps first.

[1:35:36] » I would I would take baby steps first.

[1:35:36] >> Okay. So So maybe you want to work with

[1:35:38] » Okay. So So maybe you want to work with

[1:35:38] the clerk to bring forward a notice of

[1:35:40] motion regarding the death.

[1:35:41] >> I think we can. I mean, um, you know, I

[1:35:44] » I think we can. I mean, um, you know, I

[1:35:44] I think the working group should be

[1:35:46] tasked with the bigger ask. It should be

[1:35:48] part of this, but, uh,

[1:35:51] >> it is part of that. It already is.

[1:35:52] » it is part of that. It already is.

[1:35:52] >> Oh, I I know it is, but I mean, we'll

[1:35:55] » Oh, I I know it is, but I mean, we'll

[1:35:55] just leave that well enough alone. I'm

[1:35:56] assuming this group that came tonight

[1:35:59] was not aware of this presentation.

[1:36:01] >> They referred to it in the presentation.

[1:36:03] » They referred to it in the presentation.

[1:36:03] They

[1:36:04] >> they did,

[1:36:04] » they did,

[1:36:04] >> but they but they want it to come

[1:36:06] » but they but they want it to come

[1:36:06] forward faster.

[1:36:08] So that and that's why I left the

[1:36:10] discussion to say that we're

[1:36:12] deliberating budget in the next months

[1:36:16] or in the next two weeks so that those

[1:36:19] type of funds that are required to do

[1:36:21] those sorts of things can be discussed

[1:36:23] around this table.

[1:36:24] >> Well, we have yet to see what Phil has

[1:36:27] » Well, we have yet to see what Phil has

[1:36:27] put before us here as to what's going to

[1:36:29] come faster. Maybe a lot of things will

[1:36:31] come slower, but uh the original asked a

[1:36:35] small step. I will work with the clerk

[1:36:37] in bringing that one forward. Thank you.

[1:36:39] >> Thank you. Any other notices of motion?

[1:36:42] » Thank you. Any other notices of motion?

[1:36:42] No other notices of motion, statement or

[1:36:44] announcements from counselors. Go ahead,

[1:36:45] councelor maybe. Go ahead, councelor

[1:36:47] Lackey.

[1:36:48] >> Thank you, Madame Mayor, and through

[1:36:50] » Thank you, Madame Mayor, and through

[1:36:50] you. Uh December 6th, breakfast with

[1:36:52] Santa here at Jesse Street 9 to 11. I'll

[1:36:55] be participating. December 7th, Lions

[1:36:58] Santa in the park. Um on the Sunday,

[1:37:02] I'll be doing them 11 to 2. December

[1:37:04] 14th BIA Santa in the Park 11 to two.

[1:37:08] And a large thank you to TLTI for being

[1:37:10] in the Anaki parade. It was a great

[1:37:13] success and uh very thrilled to see any

[1:37:17] TITL equipment there and thank you mayor

[1:37:21] and deputy mayor for being on the float.

[1:37:24] Thank you.

[1:37:26] >> Okay. Any other statements or

[1:37:28] » Okay. Any other statements or

[1:37:28] announcements from counselors?

[1:37:31] I have councelor Antoine Har. Oh, sorry.

[1:37:32] Councelor Lackey and then councelor

[1:37:34] Antoine Harley.

[1:37:35] >> Thank you worship and through you. Um

[1:37:38] » Thank you worship and through you. Um

[1:37:38] here in Lansdown it's u we've we've had

[1:37:41] some uh some great news, some bad news

[1:37:44] all in the same deal. Uh the Landown

[1:37:46] Fresh Mart has been officially sold. Um

[1:37:50] the new owners are uh Rick and Kelly

[1:37:53] Sani. They have two sons, Sunny and Sam.

[1:37:56] I believe they're all involved in the in

[1:37:58] the business. Um, Silvin and Yoro Fernit

[1:38:02] have owned the uh the store for the last

[1:38:04] 36 years. They bought it from other

[1:38:07] family members in 1989.

[1:38:09] Um, and they've done a great job of

[1:38:11] looking after our community with great

[1:38:14] service, great products. Uh, I know

[1:38:17] everybody in our neck of the woods is

[1:38:19] going to miss them. Uh, we wish them

[1:38:21] well in the next stage of their lives

[1:38:24] because as far as I'm concerned, they're

[1:38:26] pretty young yet, meaning they're my

[1:38:28] age.

[1:38:30] your worship.

[1:38:34] » It's all right. I'll take that hit.

[1:38:36] >> Um, again, I'd like to congratulate the

[1:38:37] » Um, again, I'd like to congratulate the

[1:38:37] new owners as well as the previous

[1:38:39] owners on uh on the future.

[1:38:44] » Okay, Councelor Antoine Hartley. Thank

[1:38:46] you, your worship. Um, so great job done

[1:38:50] by the organizers of the shop and hop.

[1:38:53] It was a wonderful event. I'm sporting a

[1:38:55] brand new sweater. I'll have you know uh

[1:38:58] from my trip uh trip around as well as a

[1:39:01] lot of other treasures. Um it was a

[1:39:04] wonderful event and and uh they I I

[1:39:07] think they were very satisfied as well.

[1:39:08] And I didn't get a chance to get to

[1:39:10] everybody. I think I only made it to 13

[1:39:13] of the 19 stops, but uh I plan on making

[1:39:16] it to a few more before uh Christmas

[1:39:19] time. Um the Legion uh Silly Bay Legion

[1:39:22] is having a community children's

[1:39:25] Christmas party. uh this Saturday uh at

[1:39:29] um from 1 to 4 and it's being uh

[1:39:33] supported by uh Sbury Area Residents

[1:39:36] Association, the Lions Club, uh the

[1:39:38] ladies auxiliary. There'll be Santa and

[1:39:41] some elves. I think there's a costume

[1:39:42] waiting for me somewhere. Um there's

[1:39:45] crafts, there's cookie decorating,

[1:39:48] uh food to purchase. Uh and it's

[1:39:51] wonderful to see uh that that community

[1:39:53] pulling together with all the

[1:39:55] organizations and the helping at the

[1:39:58] Legion to make that a great day for the

[1:40:00] kids. And congratulations to uh Silly's

[1:40:04] Bay, Olivet United Churches and Landown

[1:40:08] United Church for thinking outside the

[1:40:11] box and as of July 1st they will be

[1:40:15] joining forces and form a partnership

[1:40:19] uh that will u see them well we actually

[1:40:23] kind of sold our minister 25% of them

[1:40:27] to the lands down and but it's going to

[1:40:30] be um a a wonderful opportunity I think

[1:40:32] for our our small churches to find a

[1:40:36] sustainable way forward and uh I'm uh

[1:40:41] I'm looking forward to building those

[1:40:42] relationships. Um so yeah, that's

[1:40:45] congratulations to them for thinking

[1:40:48] that through.

[1:40:49] >> Awesome. Go ahead, Christa.

[1:40:52] » Awesome. Go ahead, Christa.

[1:40:52] >> Yeah, thank you. The Rockport

[1:40:54] » Yeah, thank you. The Rockport

[1:40:54] Development Group has their annual

[1:40:56] general meeting Wednesday at 6:30 at the

[1:40:59] Rockport Rec Hall. Um, I'll be attending

[1:41:01] and I'm sure that they would welcome

[1:41:02] other counselors and community members

[1:41:04] out as well. Thank you.

[1:41:06] >> Excellent. Go ahead, Dr. Mayor Fod.

[1:41:09] » Excellent. Go ahead, Dr. Mayor Fod.

[1:41:09] >> Thank you, Worship Muryu. This past

[1:41:12] » Thank you, Worship Muryu. This past

[1:41:12] week, uh, Lancetown lost one of its most

[1:41:15] noted residents. Uh, Bill Bolton had

[1:41:18] lived on Frederick Street for I don't

[1:41:21] know how many years. Long time. But Bill

[1:41:24] was better known as a lifelong teacher,

[1:41:26] but better maybe known locally here as a

[1:41:29] historian. Bill was also an author, but

[1:41:32] Bill worked tirelessly for the

[1:41:33] historical society on his own right. He

[1:41:36] was basically the head of the historical

[1:41:38] society before we had an historical

[1:41:41] society.

[1:41:42] Bill [clears throat] has donated

[1:41:43] numerous items to EScott Hall

[1:41:46] Springfield House. Uh the family brought

[1:41:49] a number of those items to a celebration

[1:41:51] of life Saturday when they come over to

[1:41:53] the community building after the service

[1:41:55] down at the funeral home. And uh maybe

[1:41:58] one of the most unique items I saw that

[1:42:01] day

[1:42:03] when Bill helped create the plaques that

[1:42:06] sit around our township. The one down

[1:42:09] here at the railway on the top left

[1:42:10] corner is a picture of a little boy

[1:42:13] wearing a railway outfit. That's Bill

[1:42:16] Bolan in that picture himself. He was

[1:42:18] about six year five or six years old in

[1:42:20] that picture. I found out from his

[1:42:22] daughter, Bill's father was an engineer

[1:42:25] on CN Railway and he had that pair of

[1:42:28] overalls ordered for Bill to fit. That

[1:42:32] pair of overalls were dry cleananed and

[1:42:34] stored until this past week. They had

[1:42:37] them, excuse me, they had them on

[1:42:40] display over here the other day and they

[1:42:43] look like they just came from a catalog

[1:42:45] somewhere or the eating store or

[1:42:47] wherever. They're going to donate those

[1:42:50] pair of overalls along with the number

[1:42:52] of other items have yet to be determined

[1:42:55] when they go through Bill's numerous

[1:42:57] pieces of history and history I should

[1:43:01] say and uh and memorabilia at the house

[1:43:04] and uh as they jokingly said it may take

[1:43:06] us a couple of years to do so but it's

[1:43:09] it's a loss to lose uh a member of the

[1:43:13] community so well known as Bill but he

[1:43:15] left a legacy and and through

[1:43:17] Springfield House and Escott uh Escott

[1:43:20] Hall and Springfield House. He'll uh

[1:43:22] he'll remain a part of our our lives for

[1:43:25] generations yet to come. I also want to

[1:43:28] thank uh the teamwork that's taking

[1:43:31] place through our department of

[1:43:32] operations. Um namely things such as the

[1:43:36] new pavement at Rockport. I've driven

[1:43:38] through there a number of times before,

[1:43:40] during, and now finished. That that's

[1:43:43] impressive. It's it's very well done. I

[1:43:46] know there's other jobs that Tackerberry

[1:43:48] has done for us. Uh the pathways in

[1:43:50] Lhurst and Silly's Bay. I haven't made

[1:43:52] it to the one in Silly's Bay, nor have I

[1:43:55] covered the entirety of the one in

[1:43:57] Lynhurst yet. Um the county road project

[1:44:01] out here on Warbertton Road and now part

[1:44:04] of Blue Mountain down to uh

[1:44:07] Rockfield has uh had its first layer

[1:44:10] completed. I was talking to those men

[1:44:11] when they were wrapping up last Thursday

[1:44:13] and they said uh that would stay that

[1:44:15] way till spring when they come back to

[1:44:16] put the second layer on. But it's nice

[1:44:18] to see these projects um wrapping up as

[1:44:22] our year is doing the same and before

[1:44:24] the next budget and u I'll leave the

[1:44:27] question mark out there for whoever

[1:44:28] cares to answer it. There's still a few

[1:44:30] projects not answered yet as to

[1:44:33] Springfield House Escott Hall when the

[1:44:35] ribbon cutting is for the George

[1:44:37] Tackerberry home and such. So, if

[1:44:40] anybody has information on those, I'd be

[1:44:42] keen to hear it. Thank you.

[1:44:45] >> You want to go first with Escott?

[1:44:48] » You want to go first with Escott?

[1:44:48] [laughter]

[1:44:50] >> Uh, thank you. Through your worship. So,

[1:44:52] » Uh, thank you. Through your worship. So,

[1:44:52] the Escott Hall and Springfield House.

[1:44:54] Um, we've encountered some delays with

[1:44:56] the archaeology study in in terms of the

[1:44:58] Springfield House. So, that likely won't

[1:45:00] happen until 2026. Um, we've spoken with

[1:45:04] the contractor. They said that uh you

[1:45:06] know it would require an additional mo

[1:45:08] in moout and time spent um hotels etc.

[1:45:12] So there they would expect some

[1:45:13] additional costs. Um so we we haven't

[1:45:15] had discussions about next steps with

[1:45:17] that one at this point until we've seen

[1:45:18] numbers. Uh the ESCO hall we are moving

[1:45:22] forward. The the walls are being

[1:45:24] painted. The the flooring is being

[1:45:26] selected. Um door doors are supposed to

[1:45:29] be coming and the the elevator lift. Um,

[1:45:32] all that's supposed to start happening

[1:45:33] here in the next couple weeks with the

[1:45:35] project estimated to be completed now at

[1:45:37] uh the end of January.

[1:45:39] >> So, the question that deputy mayor FOD

[1:45:42] » So, the question that deputy mayor FOD

[1:45:42] has asked is would we be able to or at

[1:45:44] least how I understood it, would we be

[1:45:47] able to open the archives hall, the

[1:45:49] Escott Rockport Hall before Springfield

[1:45:51] House or do they both have to be done in

[1:45:53] order to open?

[1:45:54] >> Um, the Springfield House, we haven't

[1:45:58] » Um, the Springfield House, we haven't

[1:45:58] really done anything with it on the

[1:46:00] inside. Structurally, the main floor is

[1:46:02] secure now. Um, but the the hope is to

[1:46:05] get the archives completely into their

[1:46:07] building and then come back to council

[1:46:09] with what what are the next steps with

[1:46:11] the Springfield House. It'll be

[1:46:12] completely vacated at that point. Um, we

[1:46:15] do have to do some work with the HVAC in

[1:46:16] there. It's not working correctly. Um,

[1:46:19] so there's there's really no air

[1:46:20] conditioning in that building. Um, but

[1:46:23] certainly there's there's some work that

[1:46:24] needs to be done in there before uh

[1:46:27] before we move forward. So, we could

[1:46:28] conceivably have a ribbon cutting for

[1:46:30] Escott Hall in early 2026.

[1:46:33] >> That is correct. The the intent is to

[1:46:35] » That is correct. The the intent is to

[1:46:36] get the uh the art trans group in into

[1:46:38] the building situated and comfortable um

[1:46:41] before we do the the grand opening so

[1:46:42] that everybody can see what it looks

[1:46:44] like as a finished product. Um so, yeah,

[1:46:46] I would expect that springtime would be

[1:46:48] the ideal time to to do the ribbon

[1:46:49] cutting for that project.

[1:46:51] >> Excellent.

[1:46:52] » Excellent.

[1:46:52] So, we'll hopefully have something to

[1:46:54] put on our calendars early in 2026.

[1:46:58] And so, now that I've had time to just

[1:47:00] double check my phone, um the ribbon

[1:47:04] cutting has not been booked for GTA yet,

[1:47:07] uh there was an issue with flooding that

[1:47:10] delayed the transition to the from the

[1:47:13] contractor handing the county the keys.

[1:47:17] They have as we have occupy partial

[1:47:19] occupancy as of

[1:47:22] a week and a half ago. What uh so the

[1:47:26] staff are in there and they're training.

[1:47:28] Um but what has to happen is is that the

[1:47:31] the ministry has to come and commission

[1:47:34] the building be meaning they have to

[1:47:36] come in inspect everything see the folks

[1:47:39] in there working seeing how everything's

[1:47:41] flowing making sure they have enough

[1:47:42] staff all the other things in order for

[1:47:45] them to open. So it is proposed and the

[1:47:49] hope is is that in the beginning of

[1:47:50] February we will be cutting the ribbon.

[1:47:53] Go ahead.

[1:47:55] Thank you. Worship through you and to

[1:47:57] you. So the ministry wants to come and

[1:48:00] see that everything's working without

[1:48:02] patience.

[1:48:03] >> Oh no, it's but it's more just the

[1:48:05] » Oh no, it's but it's more just the

[1:48:05] mechanical systems, the nurse call

[1:48:07] systems,

[1:48:08] >> those sorts of things. They need to test

[1:48:10] » those sorts of things. They need to test

[1:48:10] everything mechanically as well as that

[1:48:14] that the people who are responsible for

[1:48:17] running them know how to. So it's just

[1:48:19] because they're just basically coming

[1:48:20] over across the road. So, the good news

[1:48:23] is is that we are staffed. We're short a

[1:48:26] few bodies as of right now, but we're

[1:48:28] overstaffed for the existing home

[1:48:30] because we've upstaffed thinking we

[1:48:32] would be in the home by now.

[1:48:33] >> So, it's a double-edged sword. Um the

[1:48:36] » So, it's a double-edged sword. Um the

[1:48:36] good news is is that we'll be able to

[1:48:37] get in there, but the um the unfortunate

[1:48:41] incident which caused the uh water to

[1:48:45] penetrate the roof and into a brand new

[1:48:47] building

[1:48:49] is extremely disappointing uh that it

[1:48:53] happened. Um but it had to be fixed. It

[1:48:56] had to be fixed, right? I'm just

[1:48:57] grateful it didn't happen when there

[1:48:59] were humans in in there and there would

[1:49:01] have been bigger challenges. So, um, and

[1:49:03] we caught a few couple of extra things

[1:49:05] when they were that needed to be fixed

[1:49:07] before they turned the keys over. So,

[1:49:09] the good news is is that they are moving

[1:49:11] as quickly as possible and that there's

[1:49:14] um the ministry is very much on side

[1:49:17] with getting this. They want the beds

[1:49:18] open as quickly as possible. So, um

[1:49:21] there'll be no delay from the ministry

[1:49:22] end.

[1:49:23] >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:49:24] » Okay. Thank you.

[1:49:24] >> Okay. We also received a delegation from

[1:49:28] » Okay. We also received a delegation from

[1:49:28] So, I'll just go right into the mayor's

[1:49:30] update. We received a delegation from

[1:49:32] Perith Falls Hospital. Right now, 42% of

[1:49:35] their patients are waiting for long-term

[1:49:36] care beds in their hospital. Last time

[1:49:39] they came, it was 49. So, they're

[1:49:42] actually improving the numbers. And I

[1:49:44] believe Kingston and Brockville are

[1:49:47] their numbers are still in the mid30s,

[1:49:50] I believe. So, we know that there's a

[1:49:52] number of people looking for these beds

[1:49:54] and we're trying to get them online as

[1:49:56] quickly as possible. Um just want to say

[1:49:58] congratulations to all the um parade

[1:50:01] organizers. So thank you to our own um

[1:50:05] counselor maybe who slash town crier

[1:50:08] slash parade organizer and his crew.

[1:50:11] Always a great time in Ganona. It was

[1:50:13] lovely to see so many people out and

[1:50:15] such a great evening for weather. Um it

[1:50:18] wasn't raining, it wasn't snowing, it

[1:50:20] was just perfect. Um so it was quite a

[1:50:23] lovely evening. Thank you to Deputy

[1:50:24] Mayor Fod, but uh specifically thank you

[1:50:27] to Lyall Stacy, one of our um public

[1:50:30] works folks who took the time on a

[1:50:32] Saturday night along with his daughter

[1:50:35] and her boyfriend to come out and

[1:50:37] decorate and get everything out. And I

[1:50:39] believe Tyler was the one who got the

[1:50:41] truck ready the evening before. So, it

[1:50:43] was a bit of a team effort, but it's

[1:50:45] always nice to go and support town of

[1:50:47] Yanquway. Um, but obviously we've had

[1:50:50] Landown, we've had Lindhurst. Um, we the

[1:50:53] shop and hop I heard was extremely well

[1:50:56] attended. Um, and I'm really grateful

[1:50:59] that so many people use that opportunity

[1:51:02] to go out and see all the different

[1:51:03] stores in our area and outside of our

[1:51:06] area for that matter. But the fact that

[1:51:08] they all work together so well, I'm

[1:51:11] excited about what they're going to do

[1:51:12] in the summer with some of their other

[1:51:14] marketing efforts. um which is I won't

[1:51:17] you know go too far down the rabbit hole

[1:51:19] on that one um the economic development

[1:51:23] summit last Friday a week ago Friday um

[1:51:27] that was very important for this

[1:51:28] municipality there was a 12 over $12

[1:51:31] million announcement made uh by

[1:51:34] Samsterhoff associate minister for

[1:51:36] energy and connectivity

[1:51:38] um out of that uh amount that was given

[1:51:42] a good portion of that is being spent

[1:51:44] here in this municipality. Um they are

[1:51:48] basically plugging the holes or the gaps

[1:51:51] in the connectivity throughout the

[1:51:54] entire municipality. Um they are working

[1:51:58] very rapidly to um get the

[1:52:01] infrastructure up and running so that

[1:52:04] they can start um looking for clients to

[1:52:08] or customers that are in need of better

[1:52:11] connectivity regardless of the

[1:52:13] topography and where they live which is

[1:52:15] very important. So, I'm extremely proud

[1:52:18] um that after seven years of talking

[1:52:22] about connectivity here in the township

[1:52:24] of Leeds and the Thousand Islands that

[1:52:27] for all the work that's been done to

[1:52:29] actually wire as many people um my

[1:52:32] parents got their con connection, their

[1:52:34] hardwired connection the other day. Um

[1:52:36] and the wires have been hanging on poles

[1:52:39] for quite some time and they're working

[1:52:42] steadily on that. It doesn't happen

[1:52:44] overnight. Um but the this um

[1:52:48] announcement will be for all those who

[1:52:50] aren't getting the hardwired connection

[1:52:53] that they will have additional options

[1:52:55] for connectivity um and through a

[1:52:58] Canadian provider. So um but the

[1:53:02] economic development summit was uh a

[1:53:05] great success. One of the main themes,

[1:53:08] which I know that maybe some folks who

[1:53:10] were in attendance probably were like,

[1:53:12] "Why does this pertain to me as a small

[1:53:14] business owner?" Um, it was in regards

[1:53:16] to uh grid stability. Um, we had the

[1:53:20] folks from IEO there explaining to us

[1:53:24] about what they're doing for a survey to

[1:53:27] try to better understand what the power

[1:53:29] needs are. What people I've had to learn

[1:53:33] this all myself in the last not all

[1:53:35] myself but I've had to learn this

[1:53:38] through sort of osmosis with other folks

[1:53:40] who've done a lot more digging than I

[1:53:43] have. We have all the power in the

[1:53:45] world. We do not have a grid that is

[1:53:47] stable enough to actually use it. And

[1:53:50] the challenges are immense for the large

[1:53:53] businesses that want to grow and employ

[1:53:55] more of our family, friends, and

[1:53:57] neighbors. Um the one business owner,

[1:54:00] Greenfield Ethanol, got up and said that

[1:54:02] they lose a million dollars every time

[1:54:04] the power goes down on the plant. Last

[1:54:06] year it was over $28 million they lost

[1:54:10] because it went down 28 times. So that

[1:54:15] from a business perspective is not

[1:54:17] acceptable. Um, but moreover, we have

[1:54:20] businesses like Greenfield and uh, HFI

[1:54:24] Pyro Technics that are further east of

[1:54:26] here that want to expand and they can't.

[1:54:29] And let's be honest, there's lots of

[1:54:31] people who live in this township and

[1:54:33] drive a half an hour, 40 minutes that

[1:54:35] way to work. No different than going to

[1:54:37] Kingston. We're right smack in the

[1:54:40] middle. And so it's important because

[1:54:43] all the small business owners, the shop

[1:54:45] and hop folks, those people that work at

[1:54:49] those businesses are the ones that go

[1:54:50] out there on a Saturday or a Sunday or a

[1:54:52] Friday afternoon and spend their money

[1:54:54] and support our small businesses in our

[1:54:56] communities. So it's very important that

[1:54:58] we all row this boat in the same

[1:55:00] direction. Um MP Steve Clark has been um

[1:55:04] very much vocal about this and now the

[1:55:07] study has been moved up 7 months which

[1:55:09] I'm very grateful. um because it will

[1:55:11] still take time for us to get the grid

[1:55:14] um up to a certain level that will be

[1:55:16] able to handle the amount of power. Uh

[1:55:19] we also had the minister of small

[1:55:20] business there and Minister Tangry um

[1:55:24] who was here earlier in the summer

[1:55:25] talking about small business with our

[1:55:27] summer company folks and this is going

[1:55:30] to be a shameless plug for starter

[1:55:32] company and starter company plus and

[1:55:34] summer company. If you have a business

[1:55:37] that you are looking to grow and scale,

[1:55:39] starter company plus might be an option

[1:55:41] for you. If you would like to start a

[1:55:43] business in the municipality, starter

[1:55:46] company might be for you. If you have a

[1:55:49] young person, and I believe it's

[1:55:52] 15 to I'd have to get the ages um 15 to

[1:55:56] 30. It's it goes quite high for summer

[1:56:00] company where they're looking to create

[1:56:02] you to get help to create a business.

[1:56:05] Each one of these programs has a grant

[1:56:08] that comes with them. So you get so much

[1:56:10] upfront to help start your business and

[1:56:12] create a business plan and get mentors

[1:56:15] for marketing, accounting, coaching, all

[1:56:18] sorts of things. Um, and then once you

[1:56:21] complete the program, you get this other

[1:56:23] amount and I believe it's $5,000. Like,

[1:56:25] and for the summer company, I think it's

[1:56:27] three

[1:56:30] 15. Thank you. You just look that up for

[1:56:32] me. Thank you. Um, but I cannot stress

[1:56:36] enough that these programs that are

[1:56:39] available to anybody here in the United

[1:56:41] Counties of Leeds and Grumble, including

[1:56:42] TLTI residents, is such a valuable

[1:56:45] program because it really helps build

[1:56:48] confidence, get you on stable footing so

[1:56:52] that you can apply for funding from

[1:56:54] Community Futures or the bank or

[1:56:57] whatever uh in order to make sure that

[1:56:59] your business can um either establish

[1:57:02] itself self or grow or figure out if

[1:57:05] entrepreneur entrepreneurialism is for

[1:57:08] you. Um the summer company was pretty

[1:57:10] incredible. One of the kids made $20,000

[1:57:12] in 2 months literally cleaning cars. It

[1:57:16] was phenomenal. Created his own um car

[1:57:20] cleaning business. So um yeah uh and so

[1:57:24] that's why the economic development

[1:57:25] summit is always really great. We also

[1:57:27] have a the Bill Thake award which was

[1:57:30] awarded to Brian Purcell who's from

[1:57:32] Spencerville who um I have actually

[1:57:35] gotten to know over the years because

[1:57:37] he's in the insurance business but that

[1:57:39] is secondary to what he does in the

[1:57:41] community and Brian has always been a

[1:57:43] very dedicated community-minded person

[1:57:45] which is what the Billake Award is all

[1:57:48] about. So uh did I miss anything that's

[1:57:52] coming up? Oh treelighting in Lanstown I

[1:57:54] believe is Friday. Thank you. And

[1:58:02] oh yes, RTO Canal is upcoming 200 year

[1:58:05] anniversary. Um so they are going to be

[1:58:08] doing a number of projects. There is

[1:58:10] also going to be an assembly of

[1:58:13] of villages, towns along the Reo that

[1:58:17] are going to hopefully be part of

[1:58:20] delegating to the feds uh in regards to

[1:58:23] getting additional funds put together.

[1:58:25] Um we are uh we need to be very vocal

[1:58:28] about the Lasal Causeway and what havoc

[1:58:31] that is wrecking on businesses, towns

[1:58:34] and homes along the Reto Canal. So um

[1:58:38] more to come on that. I know that uh

[1:58:41] Mayor Robin Jones along with uh the

[1:58:44] contact from RTO Canal were supposed to

[1:58:47] uh let us know when they might be

[1:58:49] committing a meeting and I will let the

[1:58:50] rest of council know.

[1:58:53] Other than that,

[1:58:55] okay, that's everything. So, we have no

[1:58:58] closed session this evening. So, we'll

[1:59:00] move right on to adjournment. And then

[1:59:02] the motion comes forward from councelor

[1:59:04] Antoine Hartley, seconded by councelor

[1:59:06] maybe that council adjourn at 7:57.

[1:59:10] All those in favor? All those opposed?

[1:59:12] And we're carried. Thank you, folks.

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