[0:00] city council is too.

[0:03] >> Didn't even know we're getting paid till

[0:04] like a year ago. [laughter]

[0:07] >> Wait, what?

[0:09] >> You think he still doesn't know? It's

[0:10] still a secret.

[0:19] » Okay, thank you.

[0:26] with some creative

[0:56] That's the

[0:56] >> skinny.

[1:21] » Okay. Wonderful.

[1:23] >> All right.

[1:27] » [laughter]

[1:28] >> Hey, here's guy.

[1:31] >> I'll sit by the mayor.

[1:32] >> Yes.

[1:35] >> All right. Well, welcome everybody. We

[1:36] want to kind of kick this off on time.

[1:38] Um, we have a lot to discuss and we are

[1:42] so grateful that you all took the time

[1:44] to come be here. We know that your time

[1:45] has been enormously

[1:48] involved. Um, and so meeting with our

[1:51] city really means a lot. Um, we are, so

[1:55] I'm just going to officially announce

[1:57] this is for the record. Um, we're

[1:59] opening the meeting here at the

[2:00] Tibonogus School District Board here at

[2:02] 5:15 p.m. on Monday, May 4th here in the

[2:05] Lynen City Chambers. And I'll be

[2:08] conducting Mayor Carolyn Lumbard here

[2:10] for this work session. Um, so welcome.

[2:13] We wanted this to be down here and kind

[2:17] of like a council circle versus you

[2:18] looking up at us on the DAS. [laughter]

[2:21] So,

[2:23] comfortable and we can just speak freely

[2:24] and and uh yeah, we're excited about

[2:27] what's going to be happening in the

[2:28] future with you all. So, we listed here

[2:32] um a number of discussion items that we

[2:34] had thought of and certainly uh anything

[2:37] that you want to discuss with us in ways

[2:39] that we can help as a city we certainly

[2:42] welcome and this is going to be a true

[2:45] partnership in our minds as a council

[2:48] staff. So, um hopefully you had a kind

[2:52] of look over this list and um

[2:56] >> yes so first of all who who is kind of

[2:59] our

[3:01] >> great so first of all we want to excuse

[3:04] Sterling Hilton and Grace Rex they were

[3:06] unable to make it other Sterling may

[3:09] come but he did know he could reorganize

[3:11] his schedule at times so um want to

[3:14] excuse them and we are also excited to

[3:16] be here to to get this this partnership

[3:20] kind of continue to like strengthen. Um

[3:23] we want to talk about our

[3:24] accomplishments first. So since we met

[3:27] last as the interlocal with the pass off

[3:30] meeting with the interlocal and passing

[3:33] things off to us to start getting to

[3:34] work, we did we were able to hire a

[3:38] superintendent. We want to thank the the

[3:40] city of Lynon for utilizing this space

[3:42] to do our interviews. It worked so well

[3:44] and and we are a little we were a little

[3:48] homeless at that point. We didn't have a

[3:50] So, it was nice to be able to come here

[3:52] and and have the help your your staff

[3:55] was so helpful with that. We're

[3:56] appreciative of that. Um, so we've hired

[3:58] Joe Dr. Joe Jensen as our superintendent

[4:00] and then shortly after that we hired

[4:02] Jason Sunberg as our business

[4:03] administrator and then they hired Karen

[4:06] Carter who is our executive assistant

[4:08] and we're so I'm so grateful for her.

[4:10] She's taken

[4:12] >> taken a lot of things off of my plate

[4:13] that have been um yeah, just she's just

[4:17] been very helpful. So, we've also then

[4:20] Joe started organizing. It was quick. We

[4:22] wanted to get things going as far as

[4:24] hiring employees and getting things

[4:26] started. So, they have done a great job

[4:28] doing that. Um, we were able to have our

[4:30] kickoff in March. I don't know who was

[4:32] able to attend um that. It was a great

[4:36] start. We have a lot of momentum. We

[4:38] have a lot of excitement from a lot of

[4:40] our administrators, teachers

[4:46] with what we've been able to accomplish

[4:48] in these what five six months that we've

[4:52] been that we've been working.

[4:55] Um so next discussion item is our is

[4:58] there any questions about that about the

[5:01] progress? No, we're we're thrilled. I

[5:04] mean that was one of the reasons why the

[5:05] interlocal wanted the legislature to

[5:07] change that you could be sworn in

[5:09] immediately not wait till January one

[5:10] because I think you know they're doing

[5:12] tremendous job very

[5:16] » yeah can you talk to about our school we

[5:19] opened up because that will affect some

[5:21] women students

[5:23] >> yeah so um we worked uh withd

[5:27] and identified the fact that our Dan

[5:30] Pearson school was going to be

[5:42] short-term solution for those students

[5:45] to have a place to receive some

[5:48] >> special needs like profoundly disabled

[5:51] students.

[5:51] >> So, it'll help students that will be

[5:53] coming from the Dan Peterson School in

[5:55] American Fork. Um, they will be educated

[5:59] hopefully. Our hope is that that will

[6:01] start in August of this year. So any

[6:04] students that are in London that will be

[6:07] I mean for Lynon I think it's pretty

[6:09] probably equidistant between Peterson

[6:12] and the Sharon school but it will be

[6:13] more a better location for some of our

[6:18] >> also opened up another school in the

[6:20] same facility for the 18 to 22 year olds

[6:24] >> who post high school transition. So if

[6:26] you think kids who are in the Pleasant

[6:29] Ohio that have special needs that are

[6:32] served at the local schools, they would

[6:34] come and be served at the uh TEK or

[6:39] whatever we end up naming.

[6:40] >> Typogus, what does it stand for?

[6:42] >> Transition education center.

[6:44] >> Yeah.

[6:45] >> So, it's been a tech if you've heard of

[6:47] that at all.

[6:52] just down just down the hill and then

[6:54] they moved it for

[6:59] » so yeah we're excited about that. Um

[7:03] yeah, any other questions or comments

[7:09] » I'm just having experience on both

[7:10] sides.

[7:12] I don't think this district could have

[7:14] been served better by the board that was

[7:16] elected and people chose to leave.

[7:33] We're not sure about you.

[7:35] [laughter]

[7:44] » Sterling's joined us. Let's do really

[7:46] fast just a quick introduction.

[7:48] >> So I already introduced myself here and

[7:51] start

[7:56] the business administrator.

[7:58] David Smith and I represent west of the

[8:00] freeway in all of vineyard and pieces of

[8:03] >> for

[8:05] Carter executive assistant.

[8:07] >> Joe Jensen superintendent

[8:10] I represent

[8:32] graduate of Aspen Oak Canyon and PG

[8:36] >> and student when we were

[8:38] >> Exactly.

[8:40] He was also a student

[8:43] at 8 back in the day.

[8:45] >> Oh my god.

[8:45] >> When Steve was our assistant principal.

[8:48] >> Well, Westmore, Lincoln or High

[8:51] [clears throat and laughter]

[8:52] >> Lincoln. Stinking Lincoln. Oh,

[8:54] >> no. Westmore Lakeidge Orum.

[8:58] Anyway, uh Sterling Hilton, I represent

[9:00] Southwest

[9:02] >> and Jen Lman, I represent uh Lynon and

[9:05] South Park. All right, let's have our

[9:07] staff because they'll probably be

[9:08] helping the discussion as well.

[9:10] >> Adam Cowi, the city administrator.

[9:12] >> Keith Baitman, I'm the parks recreation

[9:14] director. Mike Florence, community

[9:16] development director.

[9:17] >> Brian Haw, city attorney. Mike

[9:25] Jamie Jensen. I'm a mom. [laughter]

[9:27] >> She's also communicated.

[9:30] >> Yeah. And I work for Linen City as well,

[9:32] but I'm here as a mom.

[9:35] >> Dave Mau, assistant superintendent of

[9:36] operations, secretary for the facilities

[9:39] director.

[9:43] [laughter]

[9:44] >> We don't

[9:47] listen.

[9:48] >> Okay. Wonderful. Anything else on the uh

[9:50] accomplishments or overview of your

[9:52] first five months?

[9:54] I think that's a very short overview,

[9:57] but with the five minutes that's Yeah.

[9:59] >> Okay. Fantastic.

[10:01] >> Um, boundary study status update. Yeah,

[10:03] we are starting our boundary study. So,

[10:05] this is going to be comprehensive

[10:06] boundary study. We call it the MOABs,

[10:07] the mother of all boundary studies. And

[10:09] we're [laughter] looking from the north

[10:11] end of the district all the way to the

[10:12] south because we recognize that things

[10:14] have been kind of um yeah, just as

[10:18] development has happened, it hasn't been

[10:21] cohesive a lot of times. And so, we're

[10:22] looking trying to

[10:25] look at all of that, but also our main

[10:27] objective is to create robust and

[10:30] thriving schools from kindergarten up to

[10:32] 12th grade. We want our schools to have

[10:35] um the amount of students that will will

[10:39] help facilitate good collaboration

[10:42] between teachers and be able to have

[10:44] enough specialties. We're also looking

[10:47] to our principles and some staff and our

[10:52] parents to get our criteria. So, we know

[10:55] as a board, we recognize that we're

[10:57] seven people and we have an idea of what a robust elementary and secondary

[11:02] schools look like. But we also recognize

[11:04] as I think we've learned in all this

[11:06] process that the more information we

[11:08] gather from constituents just learning

[11:11] going to other schools, I mean other

[11:12] districts and collaborating with them,

[11:14] we're finding we don't know everything.

[11:16] And so, it's very helpful. So, we are

[11:18] crafting actually a process for our

[11:20] boundary study that will allow us to set

[11:22] a criteria for what we want our schools

[11:25] to kind of have a a framework, right?

[11:27] You would say framework for um as we're

[11:30] doing this boundary study, how we're

[11:31] going to do that. So, so is there going

[11:33] to be a public official public input

[11:35] process?

[11:36] >> Yeah, we're but we're in early stages.

[11:38] So, that's

[11:40] >> we're gonna have we're going to start

[11:41] with some focus groups. Um we're going

[11:43] to have some we just talked about this

[11:45] in leadership, so I'm saying maybe some

[11:47] of the board doesn't even know yet, but

[11:50] >> boundary studies. [laughter]

[11:56] » Um, we're creating committees that will

[11:58] have board members and principles and

[12:00] staff on them. And then we also want to help just set the criteria. That's

[12:05] going to be our first step. We want to

[12:06] know, okay, what are we looking at when

[12:08] we're looking at this boundary study and

[12:09] trying to make all these changes and use

[12:12] this wonderful tool that actually Alpine

[12:13] School District has created that we can

[12:16] see, we can plug in addresses, right? Or

[12:19] create a Jason's going to be doing that

[12:21] part. That's why I keep looking at him.

[12:24] >> Yeah. That we can we can put a boundary

[12:26] and say, "Okay, what's this going to

[12:27] look like? What's how's this going to

[12:29] work?" And we can keep playing with it.

[12:31] But until we have that criteria of what

[12:33] we're looking to create a thriving

[12:36] school. Um then we don't have a lot of

[12:39] information.

[12:40] >> Our agenda this this uh Wednesday will

[12:43] include a study session wherein we'll

[12:46] talk about what a healthy school looks

[12:47] like

[12:48] >> at the elementary level and then we're

[12:52] also officially launching the boundary

[12:55] study which is has a timeline that's

[12:58] regulated by law.

[12:59] >> Yeah. So it's there are certain things

[13:01] and we don't want to just hit those required by law. Our goal is to go

[13:06] above and beyond to make sure our

[13:08] constituents feel heard and that we are

[13:12] fully informed as to to what we want to

[13:15] do. And we're looking our goal is to

[13:17] look very far ahead like 20 or 30 years

[13:21] down the road. We don't want to be

[13:22] making decisions that are just good for

[13:24] the

[13:25] >> people feel disrupted.

[13:26] >> Yeah, some years down the road that

[13:29] sounds great.

[13:30] >> That will also include a study of

[13:32] programs.

[13:44] I've been impressed just how transparent

[13:46] this board is about

[13:52] to be completely open.

[13:58] I would simply add again to your point

[13:59] about public input. I think it's we want to provide mult points for that.

[14:05] Not just

[14:10] when we're establishing the criteria.

[14:31] The main focus I think of the

[14:33] staff through the summer. So, we plan to

[14:37] >> and I know that our staff communicates

[14:39] well, particularly with your city

[14:41] planner.

[14:44] I think we need to to be talking with

[14:46] each other.

[14:54] » Okay. The tsd projected financial over

[15:01] » [laughter]

[15:02] >> I think we're down to two.

[15:05] >> Yeah, just kind of a high level summary

[15:08] here. So what for many years we've

[15:11] looked at Alpine looked at okay if this

[15:14] configuration was in district split or

[15:16] this one what would it look like once we

[15:18] have the full data so the last year we

[15:20] were able to do that where we have

[15:21] actuals is for fiscal year 25 which

[15:24] ended last June June of 25 and so in

[15:28] looking at that the schools that are in

[15:30] the Tempoga school district and the

[15:32] estimated revenue that would come just

[15:35] when we're looking at operations

[15:37] estimated about an 18 to20 million

[15:40] annual deficit

[15:44] how the schools with the expenses that

[15:46] are at the schools actual expenses and

[15:48] then looking at okay there was this many

[15:50] students and this is an estimated

[15:53] overhead cost per student at the

[15:55] district level we estimated that so

[15:59] something we're we're looking at. Um and

[16:01] that's that 20 million or 18 to 20

[16:04] million is about um 8 to 10.

[16:10] So looking at ways I did a presentation

[16:14] to the school board back in December

[16:17] just looking how can we make that how

[16:19] can we correct that deficit. So there's

[16:22] really three ways to do that. Just keep

[16:24] expenses where they are and raise

[16:25] revenue which would be through property

[16:26] taxes or be able to lower the expenses

[16:30] um in the the schools and keep revenue

[16:33] where it is or some combination of both.

[16:36] So, as we're looking at things, we're

[16:37] thinking that option three is going to

[16:39] be the most likely as we're looking at

[16:41] different things to be able to make that

[16:43] work. Um the nice thing right now Alpine

[16:47] School District could set up a building

[16:48] fund in the capital fund that generates

[16:51] for Tempog would generate about $20

[16:54] million per year. So, if there's

[16:58] the combination there. We won't have to

[16:59] necessarily do it all through raising

[17:02] taxes. There's some movement that can

[17:03] happen between taxes

[17:06] that we close as Alpine closes this

[17:10] fiscal year that'll end in a month or

[17:11] so. We'll do another

[17:26] starting December

[17:31] first

[17:37] is that what's been helpful. We've been

[17:39] working with ASD and as we hire from

[17:42] employees that are current ASD

[17:44] employees. Uh ASD is continuing to pay

[17:47] their salaries because we don't our $60

[17:50] a student that we're getting would not

[17:52] cover the staff that we've hired to this

[17:54] point. So that is being covered by ASD

[17:56] because they so they will continue to

[17:58] work for ASD like Dave and Zach are

[18:01] still working for ASD and are

[18:03] technically ASD employees through July

[18:05] of 2027. But is going to allow them to

[18:10] be our

[18:12] um work for us maybe one day a week

[18:14] starting in July and they can have time

[18:18] that they can help us right now too. But

[18:19] so it's kind of this graduated um

[18:23] step by step transition to come in and

[18:26] work for us. So we're not paying

[18:31] » and and Joe work Joe is working he um

[18:33] with Joel Perkins who is the Aston Peak

[18:36] superintendent and Vicky Carter who is

[18:38] the Lake Mountain superintendent. So

[18:40] they coordinate that so and they try to

[18:42] keep it even and fair as far as as

[18:45] hiring you say they're working well

[18:47] together. We are yeah I think a couple

[18:50] things that people have brought up is

[18:52] are there well you know interlocal

[18:54] agreement opportunities to

[18:57] you know.

[18:57] >> Yeah. And we're working on that

[18:59] >> versus reinventing the wheel for all

[19:00] three.

[19:01] >> Yeah, we're working on that with

[19:02] negotiations. So, Sterling and I and Joe

[19:04] are on the committee that is negotiating

[19:06] with Lake Mountain and Aspen piece. And

[19:08] so, yeah, we are like people we have

[19:13] various things that we're like we're

[19:14] working on. Intellectual property, how

[19:16] are we going to handle stuff that was

[19:18] created

[19:20] >> IP? So, intellectual property, how are

[19:22] we going to handle that?

[19:24] services, transportation, there's a

[19:26] whole host of things that we are it's in flow. So, it's not that we can

[19:32] say or report anything, but it is in

[19:35] discussion.

[19:36] >> Are there any uh bonds that are falling

[19:39] off in the near future where you know

[19:41] you could have a new bond that just

[19:43] replaces an old bond so for the general

[19:45] public taxes just stay?

[19:48] >> Yeah, it's a great question. So, there

[19:50] the last few years there's been

[19:53] debt a big drop off now it's kind of

[19:55] stable but the next 8 to 10 years the

[19:57] geo bond debt will go away the least

[19:59] revenue bond goes out to about 15 or 16

[20:06] that's something we'll Look at

[20:30] » the LB is kind of an internally

[20:33] funded based revenue is not require

[20:39] But we are limited as to how much we

[20:46] » three years and the the payment for

[20:47] those can't come from the debt service

[20:50] levy that the geo bond generates. So

[20:53] with the general obligation bond the

[20:56] voters have approved that. So whatever

[20:58] interests

[21:16] me an understanding potentially save the

[21:18] cost of standing up from scratch

[21:22] maybe on a smaller scale initially

[21:25] >> most of them

[21:27] Peak and

[21:29] just because

[21:31] >> there's more there's more between as

[21:34] peaks and typographically

[21:37] >> but there are a handful that include all

[21:39] three

[21:44] » and nothing has been signed. Those will

[21:46] be coming you know as they're created.

[21:49] You know how it works with you have

[21:51] three different entities and something

[21:52] comes it's like oh I don't like the way

[21:54] this we need to change this a little bit

[21:56] then it goes back to the drawing board

[21:57] and so it's just it's just a process

[22:07] » um moving on the uh drop off and pickup

[22:10] traffic and parking congestion safety at

[22:12] some of our schools. Yeah. So this was

[22:15] um I talked I Just in the first

[22:19] iteration of this, it mentioned Oak

[22:20] Canyon. And so I went and met with Oak

[22:23] Canyon about their issues and they

[22:27] recognized that there is a lot of

[22:32] uh but they have also

[22:35] done they've worked with they've hired a

[22:37] traffic engineer to come and work and

[22:39] they have closed some entrance and exits

[22:42] to try to make the flow be more just one

[22:45] way. Um options that they suggested but

[22:48] would be on on your end as far as the

[22:52] city would be um to the west and being

[22:56] able to create a turn lane on Canal or

[22:58] Eagles whatever canal drive right there

[23:02] and then the other would be making

[23:06] and so people could only come in from the south and then exit out through

[23:12] canal drive some of the flow our

[23:15] engineers haveordinated some improvement

[23:17] on flow. Parking is still and I know

[23:21] maybe um our city administrator Adam

[23:23] Cowi could kind of share on the map,

[23:32] » you know, and for time here tonight,

[23:35] maybe it's just it's we'll we'll look at

[23:38] this really fast, but maybe just point

[23:39] us

[23:40] >> point us in the right direction for who

[23:42] we can talk with in the future. So,

[23:47] This was never a problem when Steve and

[23:48] I were the assistant and just to make it

[23:51] clear we figured that out.

[23:55] >> All right.

[23:56] >> So, so right now we've and you're

[23:58] probably most of you are familiar with

[23:59] this is where we've got parents that

[24:01] stack all the way down this side of the

[24:04] roadway and there's really not enough

[24:05] room for them to park. Um, and then we

[24:09] have a huge amount of kids that I think

[24:11] their parents are just saying go over to

[24:13] the church. And so this this becomes a

[24:15] drop off and pickup area and a lot of

[24:16] congestion with kids on this

[24:18] intersection. And

[24:20] >> over 100 cars to park there within a

[24:22] 15inute period of time.

[24:26] >> So I think for the purposes of tonight

[24:30] uh we we can introduce ourselves to your

[24:32] facilities

[24:34] >> uh director there and and talk more

[24:36] about this. We know this is still Alpine

[24:38] School District, but just wanted to give

[24:40] you a heads up and and and to kind of

[24:42] lead into the SRO conversation on that

[24:44] next bullet point, a similar issue. We

[24:47] know that's currently Alpine, but um

[24:49] Jason and I have had a few conversations

[24:51] and we'd love to talk more about that in

[24:53] the future. So,

[24:54] >> Adam, would you just share the quick

[24:55] couple of ideas like to to use that back

[24:58] area a little bit more and utilize that

[25:00] for parking?

[25:01] >> Yeah, our city engineer actually met

[25:02] with um some of the people here at

[25:04] Alpine. It's probably been a year and a

[25:07] half or two years ago. Um, this this

[25:09] space back here, you can see actually

[25:10] it's underutilized with parking and

[25:13] there is a little access road that goes

[25:15] around the back of the school. And so

[25:16] we've we've been curious if there's

[25:19] ability to put more teacher parking back

[25:22] here perhaps where it frees up some

[25:23] space out front. Just

[25:25] >> throwing that out.

[25:31] a lot of students and where that's

[25:33] almost kind of a blind corner. They're

[25:35] concerned about they talked about also

[25:37] putting having buses do that and then

[25:39] they could capture that that north

[25:43] parking lot a little bit better and

[25:44] utilize that for drop off. But that turn

[25:48] a school bus just can't do it. It can't

[25:51] turn that 90

[25:54] additional parking back.

[25:56] >> They do use that green space. So they

[25:58] have a nine square permanent nine square

[26:00] now um back in that green space and they

[26:02] are encouraging students to use the

[26:05] green space between the buildings

[26:08] >> a little bit more with the new cell

[26:09] phone policy up [clears throat]

[26:14] » this is part of the concern right now is

[26:16] we have a lot of parents that line the

[26:17] street and we've got kids jumping across

[26:19] the road way while there's also traffic

[26:21] going through it and so we'll we'll just

[26:24] wanted to introduce the issue to you

[26:26] tonight and then we'll keep talking

[26:27] about though they know they have that

[26:30] entrance. There's no exit there anymore.

[26:32] So that that traffic flow should not be

[26:34] coming in and out right there. It should

[26:36] just be going in. And then you should

[26:38] just have it. And they've encouraged

[26:40] parents to just drop off actually up at

[26:43] that that more northern where it's just

[26:46] grass and not do it in the parking lot

[26:48] area. So there should be a a cue, but

[26:52] >> you know do what you tell them to do.

[26:57] sometimes doesn't work very well. Also,

[26:59] that back area. So, we have the the

[27:00] trailers back there. There is a little

[27:02] bit of parking back in in that on that

[27:05] northeast corner, but that is also the

[27:08] that's where students go. So, they come

[27:09] out that very north end and then they

[27:11] walk over to the trailers. So, we would

[27:13] want it makes sense that they keep that

[27:16] traffic minimized just because there is

[27:20] >> the road there has had no parking signs

[27:22] all along that west boundary because the

[27:24] road isn't wide enough. Yeah. So, I was

[27:27] talking with Ben about that and it is

[27:29] it's the the canal is open to about

[27:31] halfway through where those trees are.

[27:33] Um, is it possible to pave because I did

[27:36] I searched the plat map and it's owned

[27:37] by Ali School District, but is there can

[27:41] we pave over that area?

[27:45] >> Could we widen the road a little bit so

[27:46] there's actual proper parking? You can

[27:48] see in that photoally parking

[27:50] >> when you say parking mean standing like

[27:53] >> they're not parking and going into the

[27:55] school. Some of them are in the evening,

[27:57] especially for evening activities. That

[27:58] whole road says no parking, but it's

[28:00] filled with people parking and like Adam

[28:02] said, kids are running across the road

[28:04] because parents are waiting over there,

[28:05] but it's a it's an unsized road profile

[28:08] already.

[28:09] >> Yeah. So,

[28:10] >> what because I had been told as just as

[28:12] a parent that um you oh, we can't pave

[28:15] over canal, but then we followed that

[28:17] canal as it goes all the way through

[28:19] Orum and Pleasant Grove and there's

[28:22] plenty of places where it's paved over.

[28:24] It's built over. So I I don't know.

[28:27] >> Can it be done? Yes, it would be very

[28:29] expensive because we would have to make

[28:30] sure that that canal pipe that's

[28:32] underneath it either supports that

[28:34] traffic load or is removed.

[28:36] >> And so there's some footage though like

[28:39] the grass there was a distance before

[28:41] the pipe.

[28:42] >> Not to belabor this, but you're asking

[28:43] to park vehicles here and then have kids

[28:46] cross the street. Oh, I my ask would be

[28:49] to keep it that way and we enforce that

[28:51] there's no parking there, but to give a

[28:53] third lane, have a turn lane.

[28:56] >> We'll have to keep talking about this.

[28:57] So, I'd love to get our city engineer

[28:59] involved. So,

[29:01] >> and the traffic's just going to get

[29:03] worse with the temple traffic because of

[29:05] the

[29:06] >> Exactly.

[29:06] >> There's going to be a lot of people

[29:07] accessing the temple through this.

[29:11] >> So, that leads us into our uh our

[29:14] resource officer coordination. So,

[29:18] >> you know, on this item right now, we

[29:20] just we just wanted to bring it to your

[29:22] attention that there's some disparity

[29:24] between what what some of the SRO's are being paid as far as the parent

[29:28] entity that that hires those SRO's. And

[29:31] so, it was just bringing that to your

[29:33] attention. And then our our chief had brought up some additional things

[29:36] with the agreement that we'd like to see

[29:39] um addressed or looked at in the future.

[29:41] And so we can again I think tonight was

[29:44] just point us in the right direction and

[29:45] we can start with with your

[29:47] administrators and superintendent and

[29:50] >> follow

[29:54] » uh school resource officer

[29:57] >> so that's officer

[30:00] >> but I think you're talking about

[30:01] comparison of other cities right

[30:05] >> isn't that is it I was my understanding

[30:07] it was standard through the district

[30:11] Just this current fiscal year we're in

[30:14] there was budget approved to bring all

[30:16] the cities

[30:30] but I did check with provo and they're

[30:33] in the same

[30:36] but my understanding that's not what the

[30:38] officers are making that's

[30:40] from the district.

[30:43] >> We do appreciate the at all the schools,

[30:46] but I wor

[30:52] for a bit then we switched over to

[31:05] » um All right. So, our parks and rec

[31:07] director maybe Keith could share about

[31:09] how love to have a little bit more

[31:10] collaboration with.

[31:12] >> Thank you, mayor. Um, you know, Neibo,

[31:15] speaking of Neibo District, they have

[31:16] Anita's thing. My colleagues in Nebo

[31:18] District have keys to the schools

[31:21] and they the schools have keys and a

[31:24] usage [clears throat] to the pools for

[31:26] their swim teams

[31:27] >> and for those situations. I would hope

[31:30] I'm sure that or if you just bump them

[31:33] pleasant and vineyard all of us would be

[31:35] in the same they don't even really keep

[31:38] track of what you rented what we rented

[31:40] they just kind of get together and sum

[31:42] it up well you used a lot more than us

[31:43] and maybe we ought to have a little

[31:45] money but if that's working in neibo uh

[31:49] we would love and we've been to ASD

[31:51] several times as parks directors in the

[31:54] last five or seven years and met with

[31:56] their assigned person for that they

[31:58] didn't interested in it. We actually

[32:00] brought someone from MEO to help explain

[32:02] it and there wasn't much interest there

[32:04] from the current folks, but if we could

[32:07] just look at that and see if we could

[32:09] just be a real good partner and we take

[32:13] care of the janitor service and city,

[32:15] you know, we just be a really good

[32:17] partner. We clean up. We take care of

[32:19] the buildings as if they were ours and

[32:21] the school district would do the same

[32:22] for facilities that they need from us.

[32:25] In Limon, it'll be a little different.

[32:26] We don't have a lot that the school

[32:27] district wants, but we also don't have a

[32:29] high school. So, we've got a junior high

[32:31] gym and and a couple elementary gyms.

[32:33] So, we wouldn't have a big ask either,

[32:36] but uh maybe

[32:38] >> what is currently utilized between with

[32:41] Lynon Parks and Wreck and

[32:43] >> we use Oak Canyon quite a bit and then

[32:46] we use

[32:46] >> you use just the gym space or do you use

[32:48] any field space?

[32:49] >> We do use we don't use any field space.

[32:51] >> Okay. We'd love to but we haven't used

[32:53] that in big field but also the

[32:55] auditorium we've used.

[32:57] >> Okay.

[32:58] >> Um and then the elementary mostly Lynon

[33:01] Elementary it's close by us and we've

[33:03] been able to drop over there and have a

[33:05] basketball league over there. Principles

[33:06] have been great. Kate Ross is

[33:08] outstanding.

[33:10] >> She's been really helpful to us. But uh

[33:13] it could be a little easier and smoother

[33:15] for both I think if we could just figure

[33:18] and then years ago if I just One more

[33:21] thing. Years ago, the school district, I

[33:23] don't know if they did it inadvertently

[33:25] or not, but it seemed that they put like

[33:27] the uh AAOU basketball as a priority

[33:30] ahead of the city rec programs. So,

[33:33] those those groups were getting priority

[33:35] gym time because of the revenue, I'm

[33:37] sure, but that really hurts us for

[33:41] charging $30 a kid for recreation

[33:44] basketball.

[33:44] >> And is it safe to say that you guys are

[33:46] increasing your more of your fields? It

[33:50] seems like like

[33:50] >> Yeah, we we're always building.

[33:52] >> Yeah, we had about 600 700 kids in

[33:56] basketball. Maybe not quite seven, but

[33:58] 650 in basketball, but our soccer is 12

[34:01] or 1100 right around there kids. So,

[34:04] we're we're we're growing. We service a

[34:06] lot of South Orum and and some of

[34:09] Pleasant Grove.

[34:10] >> So many of our kids aren't so many of

[34:12] our kids bleed over into schools in

[34:14] other cities that these aren't.

[34:17] >> So, I don't think this is a Lyndon ask.

[34:18] I think if you ask the other cities,

[34:21] yeah, the the other directors, well,

[34:24] we're all on the same page. It would

[34:25] just be like maybe Neibo handles that. I

[34:27] don't know the exact details, but it's

[34:29] more of a partnership than you rent from

[34:31] me and I'll rent from you and then my

[34:34] rates go up and your rates go down and

[34:37] so we could just maybe look into that in

[34:38] the future.

[34:39] >> And we have collaborated with Nebo. I

[34:42] have anyway with their president down

[34:43] there. So I will who is it that we would

[34:46] talk to if we vote you know

[34:47] >> you know I have to admit I think I would

[34:49] pass this off well I have a couple

[34:52] colleagues in Springville in the city of

[34:54] Springville and I don't because we don't

[34:56] have a big ask for schools I don't know

[34:58] the contact person right now

[35:00] >> but the

[35:03] >> yeah and there's this just been when my

[35:06] colleague jingles the keys to the

[35:08] schools and says well we don't have to

[35:10] have that much that we do as a city that

[35:14] I mean maybe we can all mention a couple

[35:16] things that we contribute to the schools

[35:18] is you know elementary this just a few

[35:21] months ago we had they had an emergency

[35:23] drill and acting like a if there was you

[35:27] know an active shooter and they used our

[35:30] community center as the place for

[35:31] parents to pick up and kind of have the

[35:34] operations there. So you [clears throat]

[35:36] know our community center is very

[35:38] interchangeable.

[35:40] We also do many grants to all the

[35:42] teachers out of our budget every year.

[35:45] We I think how many how many grants did

[35:48] we get? 22

[35:51] teachers that they can apply for Aspen

[35:54] Oak Canyon all thearies. So, um,

[35:58] >> Jen, I'm happy to to find out from my

[36:00] colleagues who

[36:01] >> that

[36:03] Yeah, I'm happy to find that out. And

[36:05] when Kate was at this school here, Kate

[36:07] Ross was here at this school, she'd call

[36:10] me up and she'd say, "Proble with my

[36:12] gym. I got to send come on over." And

[36:14] that was a really great partnership. And

[36:17] she we just it was so slick, so nice.

[36:20] instead of worrying about too much of

[36:21] the fee schedule to be honest with you.

[36:23] >> And a lot of the kids at the last week

[36:25] of school, they call up heat and they

[36:26] come have a swim day.

[36:32] » If it's snowing the last

[36:36] we've tried to do parties sometimes

[36:38] like, oh, it's 53 degrees. We're not

[36:40] gonna go [laughter] to

[36:42] >> Okay. All right. So, update on the

[36:44] potential tsd admin office. We've heard

[36:46] some

[36:49] So, um, as it sits right now, we are

[36:52] looking to utilize our current campus

[36:54] there in that we have in Lynon. So,

[36:57] we're looking at different storage

[36:59] facility.

[37:00] >> Well, yeah. Yeah. So, that we're just

[37:02] calling that our Lynon. So, it houses

[37:04] physical facilities now and um

[37:07] technology and purchasing. So, that's

[37:09] where Joe and Karen and Jason have their

[37:12] offices is in in that building right

[37:14] there. Uh, 490 North State. And there's

[37:17] a good piece of land in front to build

[37:20] and expand.

[37:21] >> Yeah. So, so that's that's our our

[37:24] thinking right now. So, and there's a

[37:27] lot of space behind. Um

[37:30] Yeah, that's actually being used a lot.

[37:32] They that's where the main facilities

[37:35] for Alpine School District is housed.

[37:37] They have their they have a whole almost

[37:41] business thing happening back there with

[37:43] electrician, HVAC, plumbing.

[37:47] carpeting carpentry.

[37:50] >> Um yeah, so um really great asset that

[37:54] we're we're taking

[37:58] and we we were we have ideas on how to

[38:02] make

[38:05] » we love that it's we love that it's

[38:07] centrally located. It's on State Street.

[38:10] So I mean there's it's we just think

[38:13] that's that's a good location. Is there

[38:16] you need from the city in regards to

[38:18] this.

[38:19] >> Is there a height regulation?

[38:21] >> Yeah, zoning as far as

[38:26] » stories.

[38:30] Is that including any steeples we put on

[38:32] it? [laughter]

[38:34] >> We have to have two steeples.

[38:37] >> Now, if you do have any site planning

[38:39] issues or questions on utilities, Mike

[38:42] Lawrence with our community development

[38:43] office

[38:45] to Enter through the lower side of our

[38:47] building just down here on the lower

[38:48] parking lot.

[38:53] » Do you have a city plan as far as

[38:58] planning for the future plan?

[39:01] >> I mean, I think that road was originally

[39:03] planned to connect all the way through.

[39:05] I don't

[39:20] property there is for sale.

[39:24] adjacent to that

[39:27] >> loc.

[39:42] » It's a It's a residential. The res the

[39:44] resto right hand corner.

[39:46] >> Stray Sandra.

[39:47] >> It's the Sandra.

[39:48] >> Okay.

[39:50] >> Bottom right. the bottom.

[39:52] >> Yeah. And then the uh along State

[39:54] Street, so the southwest

[39:57] end

[39:59] >> there. I've I've heard that some the

[40:02] owner of that is planning to develop or

[40:05] do something there. I don't know if you

[40:07] want

[40:09] something.

[40:11] >> Do you have any updates on that? Our

[40:16] goal is to put something that's gonna

[40:20] be attractive and would be an asset to

[40:23] the city of London. So

[40:27] » we're going to call our home.

[40:30] >> That's right.

[40:31] >> District seat, right? [laughter]

[40:34] >> We're hoping that you put in a Maverick

[40:36] close to that.

[40:42] » [laughter]

[40:43] >> That's a very temp that's an example of

[40:46] a very temporary need. We're thinking

[40:48] long term. [laughter]

[40:51] >> There is a swig and a fizz

[40:55] >> block south.

[40:58] >> They're on 400 North.

[41:00] >> Yes.

[41:00] >> Yeah. They talked about putting a gas

[41:02] station there early, but the wife of the

[41:04] person who owns it said he would need to

[41:06] find a new wife. So, it's possible.

[41:08] [laughter]

[41:10] >> I don't that they still own it. I I've

[41:12] heard that the ownership may have

[41:13] switched hands now. Are they

[41:15] >> It was It was the same people that

[41:20] >> was

[41:25] not

[41:29] pizza factory.

[41:34] have that little rodeo ranch.

[41:41] » We will need to have it completed by the

[41:44] time we have employees. We need to have

[41:46] a place to put our employees. So,

[41:48] >> so we're hoping within our plan is

[41:50] within a year

[41:52] >> year plus.

[42:05] Um, okay. So, hey, we are getting

[42:07] through this.

[42:11] » I looked at this and I was like, there's

[42:12] no way.

[42:14] >> Like, there's no way.

[42:15] >> There's a way.

[42:16] >> Okay. So, future meeting schedule, we

[42:19] would love to, you know, coordinate,

[42:22] collaborate.

[42:23] I know you mentioned in the past um in

[42:26] the beginning sometimes

[42:30] quarterly by annually what yeah whatever the council would like we are

[42:34] meeting with ORM so we did a couple

[42:36] weeks ago tax day and they we came to an

[42:41] agreement that we would do it three

[42:42] times a year so every four months but we

[42:46] are

[42:50] it might be more appropriate for us to

[42:52] do it more often there

[42:55] >> [laughter]

[43:00] >> that goes along with it.

[43:05] [laughter]

[43:06] >> Now, you do know that London is the um

[43:10] the high elves of it is the capital of

[43:14] the higher. [laughter]

[43:19] » Okay. [laughter]

[43:25] » [laughter]

[43:34] » All right. Anyway,

[43:36] >> so yeah,

[43:38] I mean

[43:41] >> I mean we can play by ear or we can just

[43:44] council staff.

[43:47] >> I think what we think

[43:51] suggested since there were four cities

[43:52] that we were coordinating with that we

[43:56] could do one a month and hit everyone

[43:59] throughout the year.

[44:01] My thought was to get like

[44:05] in my brain I was thinking okay each

[44:07] quarter there's three months so we'd hit

[44:09] each city and then double up one of the

[44:12] months but then so when they wanted to

[44:14] do it three times a year I was like okay

[44:16] that's fine I didn't push the issue

[44:18] >> totally

[44:19] >> three times a year would be once with

[44:21] every four cities per month just

[44:24] >> well we just have a meeting month but it

[44:26] hasn't h

[44:28] hasn't really happened that way because

[44:29] we're going to double up in Okay. And so

[44:32] >> I imagine that there's going to be

[44:35] >> I know you're still figuring out the

[44:37] boundary study thing, but I would highly

[44:39] encourage that there's lots of meetings

[44:42] >> and when we can come here. I don't know

[44:44] if you plan to do it in the different

[44:45] cities.

[44:46] >> We really want to make sure people feel

[44:48] like, and I liked your comment, early,

[44:50] not towards the end, that they're

[44:52] involved all the way. the transparency

[44:55] comment that that's going to be critical

[44:58] >> and and from the budget type of a thing.

[44:59] Everything we're doing to save money is

[45:03] be the things I think to focus on as

[45:04] well to make sure people know those I

[45:06] know they are but it's helpful when

[45:08] people hear

[45:09] >> and I'm going to push back on you Van

[45:11] because we're going to focus on the best

[45:14] teaching and learning experiences for

[45:15] our teachers for our kids and any

[45:18] budgetary savings is going to be a side

[45:22] effect. that's not going to be our our

[45:24] main focus. Our main focus of this board

[45:26] and I think of our staff is going to be

[45:28] providing the best education. We have

[45:30] three new districts that are going to be

[45:33] in close geographical proximity. So, and

[45:36] one of and I've talked with Carolyn

[45:38] about this before. We want to attract

[45:41] our students back and so we're focused

[45:45] on on doing

[45:47] >> on doing that the best way solve the

[45:49] revenue issue is attracting back people

[45:51] who have chosen other education

[45:53] platforms

[45:54] >> and Lindon that's there's a big example

[45:56] of that.

[45:57] >> So um

[45:59] >> so that's what you're going to hear our

[46:00] focus is going to be a lot on what is

[46:03] creating the best schools what is that

[46:06] going to look like and I agree that

[46:09] there's going to be some cost savings

[46:10] that will come along with that, but

[46:11] that's not going to be our why. Our why

[46:14] is what is going to be best for teaching

[46:17] our students.

[46:18] >> To to Van's point though about the

[46:21] meetings and possibly even having a

[46:23] meeting here, one of the things I

[46:25] appreciated about our visit with Orum is

[46:27] they talked about

[46:29] using ORM's communications platforms to

[46:32] help get our message out. And so those types of things would be really

[46:36] helpful as well. Um I think anytime we

[46:40] can get as many stakeholders and you

[46:42] guys are obviously very influential

[46:44] stakeholders,

[46:46] you know, helping promote a message of

[46:49] this is about robust schools and

[46:50] >> positive,

[46:52] >> right? And and that's going to help

[46:54] because it's no matter what we do with

[46:58] any kind of consolidation, it's going to

[47:00] be high emotion.

[47:01] >> Yes, it will be. It's challenging.

[47:03] >> So how we do it matters and we the

[47:06] messaging getting everyone on board,

[47:08] feeling heard and on board. And I just

[47:10] have to to to give Van some kudos. I

[47:13] think to what Van is speaking to and

[47:15] what this council demonstrates, what

[47:16] this staff demonstrates is in Lynon, we

[47:19] are small town, big amenities, but we

[47:22] often find out of the box solutions to

[47:25] minimize raising taxes and fees, but not

[47:29] compromise service and quality of life

[47:31] in our community. So, I think that's I

[47:34] think that's the spirit of the message.

[47:36] >> Absolutely. the student experience.

[47:38] That's why we do this.

[47:40] >> It's it's really easy to raise a tax and

[47:42] a fee versus just dig deep and find ways

[47:45] to justize and still get a great

[47:47] >> Well, that's what I'm excited about with

[47:49] um you know, the way Joe has set up his structure is it's hyper it's super

[47:55] focused on that teaching and learning.

[47:57] And what that actually does is there

[48:00] could be some savings costwise as far as

[48:02] having a smaller district

[48:06] some smaller district staff and just

[48:07] replicating everything that we need and

[48:10] you know replicating what ASD has done

[48:12] and so his his attention at having these

[48:15] this we call him the super six so it was

[48:17] the first six hires that he did um they

[48:20] also are going to be supervising schools

[48:21] so that takes out a layer of supervisors

[48:24] that ASD currently has just because of

[48:26] their size that they have the cabinet

[48:28] level then they have supervisors then

[48:30] you have the schools

[48:31] >> that's a great

[48:32] >> so so we are we're trying to think

[48:34] outside the box and it also puts district very close to

[48:40] schools which sometimes that distance

[48:43] creates some issues. Something that I

[48:45] think I've heard and I'm sure you're

[48:47] hearing and will hear is um when it

[48:50] became a east versus west kind of tribal

[48:53] situation before the split, you know, um

[48:56] a lot of people here are saying we still

[48:58] want to have we don't want these big

[49:01] giant magnet schools that everyone's

[49:03] commuting to and driving to and then

[49:05] they're huge. We still want to have that

[49:07] balance of the walkable bikable for the

[49:11] children neighborhood schools. They

[49:12] really are an asset in the what they do

[49:16] for quality of life and economic

[49:18] prosperity and just the kids having that

[49:21] maker. So we hope that the mindset for

[49:24] this district will be not gigantic super

[49:27] schools that are everyone has a drive to

[49:28] but

[49:30] we understand there's going to

[49:32] potentially be some property boundary

[49:35] shuffling the deck whatever but

[49:38] >> I've understood when you talk about

[49:41] schools that the concept I've understood

[49:44] it.

[49:45] >> Yeah. Is being able to provide

[49:46] >> robust schools. You got everything in

[49:49] that area.

[49:51] >> Being able to provide like we're looking

[49:53] at specialty and programs and

[49:59] bulk of our payments or our costs as a

[50:02] district are going to be people, right?

[50:09] And we want to maximize that. Not don't

[50:13] maximize that we're going to make huge

[50:15] schools, but it's just maximizing each

[50:17] property to be able to impact each

[50:20] student's learning at the highest level.

[50:23] So, we want our students to have choice.

[50:26] And sometimes when our schools get so

[50:28] small, they don't have choices.

[50:36] » You get a small school,

[50:38] >> you can't have art and music and PE as a

[50:40] specialty. And so, impacts the whole

[50:43] school, all the kids and the teachers.

[50:45] >> And sometimes principles are forced to

[50:47] make those hard decisions whether he

[50:49] combines he or she combines grades which

[50:51] is the worst

[50:54] math this year next year is going to

[50:56] have a first second grade split. So you

[50:59] will have a class that has half first

[51:01] graders and half graders [clears throat]

[51:03] and that teacher has to try to manage

[51:06] that and that is a function of it's a

[51:08] small school and they don't have as much

[51:21] population.

[51:23] >> These are all things that we want to

[51:24] discuss in public.

[51:26] >> Part of the criteria,

[51:28] >> it's going to be part of the criteria

[51:29] that we're looking at as we're crafting

[51:30] this whole

[51:32] framework on how we're going to be

[51:34] looking through the lens through which

[51:35] we're

[51:35] >> kind of what what student populations

[51:38] and I I love that you said too, you

[51:40] won't necessarily be like what's the

[51:42] population these schools will have in

[51:44] 2027 or 2028. Yeah.

[51:46] >> But what's a starting point that we can

[51:48] at least make sense financially, but I'm

[51:52] assuming we're going to grow because

[51:53] we're going to win back some of the

[51:55] families that have left

[51:57] >> public ed and then right

[52:02] and um so I didn't mention it in our

[52:03] accomplishments, but I'm very proud of

[52:06] us for having done this. So I want to

[52:08] mention it maybe we can end with it.

[52:12] But um we visited as a board holy um we noticed our field trips and we

[52:18] visited every physical facility in our

[52:21] area plus a couple in Aspen Peaks area.

[52:24] Um we made the decision early on that we

[52:27] can't make decisions about properties

[52:29] we've never seen.

[52:31] Informed our understanding in so many

[52:33] ways to actually have boots on the

[52:35] ground at all. Now currently we're in

[52:37] the middle of doing our vision tour.

[52:40] call it. Um Joe is presenting our vision

[52:42] for the district at each school to a

[52:44] group of administrators, the teachers or

[52:48] staff, uh students, which has been so

[52:50] fun. And um parents,

[52:54] they're involved there in the school as

[52:55] we've been trying to craft our vision.

[52:57] So that's something that we're almost

[52:59] done with. I think we're we did finished

[53:02] 19

[53:03] >> 18 today 18 of 29. So

[53:08] >> I don't know.

[53:10] We're not we're not visiting the special

[53:13] school right now.

[53:15] >> David,

[53:15] >> can I just mention Carolyn? I I would

[53:18] really be interested in the future in in

[53:20] your city and your goals, your

[53:22] priorities

[53:23] >> and how we might be able to support each

[53:25] other.

[53:25] >> Oh, that would be wonderful.

[53:26] >> In that way, just a little more about

[53:30] >> Let's get together again soon. It sounds

[53:32] like there's, you know, we're excited

[53:35] that this will be the admin home and uh

[53:40] obviously as you're getting information,

[53:42] let's let's keep meeting frequently at

[53:44] least in

[53:46] >> three times a year. Does that sound

[53:47] good?

[53:48] >> Fantastic.

[53:49] >> Who is your communication?

[53:54] » Okay.

[53:58] » And Cole's our leazison from a city

[54:00] council standpoint with

[54:03] >> I'm sure you have contactary

[54:08] Adam, you know you have Karen's info,

[54:09] right? That's how we organize this.

[54:14] » Pretty much dissolved.

[54:18] » Awesome.

[54:21] [laughter]

[54:22] >> I'm creating new position.

[54:25] >> If I could

[54:25] >> add it to your council responsibility

[54:27] school, you add it to the list.

[54:28] >> Mayor, if I could for the um for the

[54:31] board, uh Lynon Elementary is is right

[54:34] next to our campus, right? We have this

[54:36] Lyndon campus here and so we're we're

[54:39] very interested in the future of Lynen

[54:41] Elementary. A lot of our uh residents go

[54:44] there.

[54:46] Want to just invite you to open that

[54:48] conversation um with us early and often.

[54:52] You know what your thoughts are there

[54:54] and love that you're on the tour. Love

[54:55] that you're looking at it and just keep

[54:57] us informed and we'll keep you informed

[54:59] as well.

[54:59] >> I've I've been to Lynon Elementaryund

[55:02] times in my career when I worked for

[55:04] Alpine and this board tour. I never knew

[55:07] until we did this,

[55:09] >> the amphitheater.

[55:10] That's awesome.

[55:12] >> That's from the old school,

[55:14] >> the old London Elementary.

[55:17] >> Okay.

[55:18] >> And then we drove by it. I don't know

[55:20] who I was with a couple days ago. We

[55:21] drove by it. Maybe we ran by it and saw

[55:23] it from the back end. Like it's like,

[55:25] "Oh, it's right there." Was that you and

[55:27] I or Yeah.

[55:29] >> It's a huge field.

[55:30] >> Yeah. An asset maybe.

[55:33] But

[55:34] >> you guys want to buy it?

[55:36] >> Well, that's where I I feel like we need

[55:38] to really coordinate closely.

[55:40] >> Yes. And because that school is part of

[55:42] our campus, we've actually held off on

[55:44] either rebuilding or upgrading our

[55:47] community center, which has seismic

[55:48] issues. Um we're kind of saving a

[55:51] contingency fund, just kind of waiting

[55:53] to determine what's happening with that

[55:56] property across the street. Originally

[55:59] when there was word maybe ASD would

[56:01] rebuild again. We were waiting to see

[56:03] how to coordinate best

[56:05] >> or if it's a disposed. I think the city

[56:08] would be interested in

[56:10] that looks like for the city to acquire

[56:12] it. But obviously I think a lot of

[56:14] families are hoping.

[56:16] We'll see as you do that public input

[56:18] and you do your Moab, right? Um where

[56:22] that goes. Keep We'd love to keep in

[56:24] close contact for sure. So you guys will

[56:26] figure out what we need to do

[56:27] >> on my speed. I got on my speed. Well,

[56:29] and I I I really in relation to the

[56:32] boundary study because that's what's

[56:33] going to be generating a lot of interest

[56:35] and understandably and necessarily. So,

[56:38] it's really important that we

[56:40] communicate and I hope that you will

[56:41] communicate as well that we everything

[56:44] is on the table and no decisions have

[56:46] been made.

[56:47] >> Yeah.

[56:47] >> So, we we aren't approaching this with

[56:50] oh I I I we really know we're going to

[56:52] do this this this and this but we have

[56:54] to go through this like nope.

[56:56] >> Everything is being considered

[56:58] >> and we have not

[56:59] So we we want to hear what people are

[57:03] thinking, how they're feeling, and we

[57:05] would appreciate that if if you could

[57:07] communicate that as well in the

[57:08] opportunities that that is genuine on

[57:11] all of our parts.

[57:12] >> And and it's exactly that that why it's

[57:14] so important we have that criteria up

[57:16] front because we're going to make better

[57:18] decisions if we have a criteria to

[57:20] follow rather than we're just saying

[57:22] schools that are this size

[57:24] >> because there may be a school that

[57:28] context, it's perfect at 500, but it's

[57:31] better for this school to be 754.

[57:35] >> If your city's going to grow, you

[57:37] mentioned students coming back, but do

[57:40] you have growth areas that you know we

[57:42] need to know about?

[57:44] >> People make decisions about where

[57:45] they're going to build, where they're

[57:46] going to live on schools.

[57:49] >> So, purchase some property on the west

[57:52] side of London for a future.

[57:55] So, as you're touring,

[57:57] >> we've already been there.

[57:58] >> We've been there.

[58:00] >> That was that was early days. In fact, I

[58:02] don't think we hadn't even hired Joe and

[58:04] Jason when we went that

[58:08] >> So, they need to do that.

[58:11] >> Are you going to add it to the district?

[58:15] » There's some parents who have said to me

[58:17] if Lyn has to for whatever reason be

[58:20] disposed of, they would love to see that

[58:22] West school stood up. So there's a clean

[58:25] transition to progress over there.

[58:28] >> Say that again.

[58:29] >> If in the past I'm just saying some

[58:31] opinion was and I I don't want to speak

[58:33] out of term but when elementary has been

[58:36] on the closure list for a number of

[58:38] years. So there's a lot of families that

[58:39] are very the alll program is doing

[58:42] amazing there. But that's caused some

[58:44] families to not enroll in Lynon

[58:47] Elementary because they think it's been

[58:49] on this closure discussion for six

[58:51] years. Um but who are very invested in

[58:54] Lynon Elementary were very happy to hear

[58:57] that maybe there would be a school in

[58:59] Anderson Farms that could transition to

[59:02] all you know whatever happens there

[59:06] kind of made um a commitment that we're

[59:09] going to our decisions the major

[59:11] decisions will be made by December I

[59:13] think that's something that we talked

[59:14] about that unknown for teachers and

[59:23] for for teachers and for students and

[59:24] families. It's that

[59:27] >> and we're we're trying to come in and do

[59:29] this the right way and do but do it

[59:31] quickly and be able to let people know

[59:32] so that as they're making decisions

[59:35] >> they have

[59:37] they know the road. Yeah. They have

[59:38] their options laid out.

[59:43] » Comments from my board.

[59:47] >> Oh my gosh, we finished a minute early.

[59:50] [laughter]

[59:52] Is your council meeting at 6:30?

[59:54] >> We start at 5:15 normally, but we're

[59:56] going to go into our regular council

[59:57] session now.

[59:58] >> Thank you so very

[1:00:35] I'm ready for

[1:00:41] » start.

[1:00:50] Sorry, sorry, sorry.

[1:01:01] Awesome.

[1:01:24] I'm gonna cry.

[1:01:31] » Let's just do it right now. Let's do it.

[1:01:35] >> So nice just collaborating and

[1:01:36] connecting.

[1:01:51] Welcome back.

[1:01:52] >> How was Macedonia?

[1:02:06] » It'll be

[1:02:08] sitting there with three of us.

[1:02:20] happen

[1:02:31] down there.

[1:02:31] >> Thank you.

[1:02:58] want to go first or you want

[1:02:59] >> No, I want

[1:03:03] first.

[1:03:14] Can I stand up?

[1:03:28] » I said

[1:03:34] It's

[1:03:45] » all AI, man.

[1:03:48] >> Crazy.

[1:04:09] You have any questions?

[1:04:15] » Somebody walked off.

[1:04:45] All right. Thanks, buddy.

[1:04:58] What was mentioned there?

[1:05:22] No jerky today.

[1:05:35] » I don't know.

[1:05:49] Sorry.

[1:05:58] » Yeah.

[1:06:03] We'll

[1:06:12] transfer transfer.

[1:06:26] » And then everybody's going, "Well, I

[1:06:28] can't I can't open word perfect. I can

[1:06:30] only use Word." So, I had to convert to

[1:06:31] Word. I hate it.

[1:06:35] >> And now we're just

[1:06:42] so good.

[1:07:00] reason

[1:07:05] what's another

[1:07:07] which Phil was really good at but it

[1:07:10] took him a while to get

[1:07:11] >> yeah I agree

[1:07:16] this is lots of money

[1:07:20] and easier

[1:07:22] I'm willing to do it right and I want to

[1:07:24] do it right

[1:07:26] >> and and it's hard because I'm getting

[1:07:27] one side of the story you I mean,

[1:07:30] >> but I know that he kind of has a

[1:07:31] reputation

[1:07:35] » you heard me make my comments when he

[1:07:37] was here.

[1:07:39] >> And I didn't know about your text, you

[1:07:41] know, but that was going to come, but

[1:07:43] that was kind of we're still moving.

[1:07:45] >> It was interesting because you said that

[1:07:50] just a bunch

[1:07:53] because of that comment. I had that same

[1:08:07] I'll say hi to

[1:08:18] you guys.

[1:08:30] temple tomorrow morning.

[1:08:36] » She's going to be here.

[1:08:39] >> All right, welcome everybody. Uh we just

[1:08:43] con concluded a work session with our

[1:08:45] new Typanoga school district board and

[1:08:47] staff and um a lot of exciting things

[1:08:50] coming on. Um it looks like Lynen City

[1:08:53] will be the home of the new uh school

[1:08:56] district headquarters ad admin location.

[1:08:59] And so that work session was a public

[1:09:02] meeting and um if you're interested in

[1:09:04] some of the topics that were discussed

[1:09:06] uh but we will now commence we had a

[1:09:09] short recess as they were exiting and we

[1:09:11] will now commence with our regular the

[1:09:13] rest of our city council meeting here

[1:09:15] for May 4th. May the fourth be with you

[1:09:19] [laughter] here in the Lynen City

[1:09:20] Council chambers. And I've we have some

[1:09:23] fun visuals here that I'm going to ask

[1:09:26] our admin to put up after the prayer.

[1:09:29] [laughter] So anyway,

[1:09:31] >> should be more.

[1:09:33] >> We might need help. [laughter]

[1:09:36] Um anyway, we're going to go ahead and

[1:09:38] begin. My name is uh Mayor Carolyn

[1:09:39] Lindberg and I'll be conducting this

[1:09:41] evening. I'm grateful for a full quorum

[1:09:43] here of our council here in the Lynen

[1:09:46] city chambers. And uh we will first

[1:09:48] begin with an invocation by council

[1:09:51] member Van Brick and that will be

[1:09:52] followed by a pledge of allegiance led

[1:09:54] by Steve Kaposi.

[1:09:58] » Our heavenly father, we're grateful for

[1:10:00] the many blessings that was given us.

[1:10:02] We're grateful for this great country

[1:10:05] that we live in and for our community

[1:10:07] here in Lynon. grateful for each of the

[1:10:10] residents that live here and for their

[1:10:11] contributions to making this such a

[1:10:14] great place to live. We are grateful for

[1:10:17] our our staff uh our first responders

[1:10:21] and those who work so hard to serve the

[1:10:23] citizens of Lyndon and our community.

[1:10:26] Please bless and be with them and keep

[1:10:28] them safe and in their responsibilities.

[1:10:31] We'd invite thy spirit to be with us now

[1:10:33] as we discuss the items on the agenda

[1:10:36] that we can make good informed decisions

[1:10:38] and be uh have mutual respect and

[1:10:42] dignified dialogue one with another. And

[1:10:44] we say this in the name of Jesus Christ.

[1:10:46] Amen.

[1:10:46] >> Amen.

[1:10:55] To the flag of the United States of

[1:10:58] America and to the republic for which it

[1:11:01] stands. One nation under God,

[1:11:04] indivisible, with liberty and justice

[1:11:06] for all.

[1:11:15] » Okay, guys. Where's your lightsabers?

[1:11:18] [laughter]

[1:11:20] I love it.

[1:11:20] >> Wow. I love it.

[1:11:23] >> Actually, are we doing this?

[1:11:24] >> This was my father-in-law's. He He

[1:11:27] served a mission in Japan back in the

[1:11:29] 1940s. This is actually a genuine I

[1:11:32] >> kimono

[1:11:33] >> for the men for a man.

[1:11:35] >> So anyway,

[1:11:36] >> but it fits your costume.

[1:11:37] >> Look, look, look, look, look. [laughter]

[1:11:39] >> That's uh

[1:11:40] >> I don't have a a don't have that

[1:11:43] costume.

[1:11:44] >> Am I the only one from the dark side?

[1:11:45] [laughter] a little

[1:11:47] >> I'm worried about me on the dark side. I

[1:11:49] had to put the lightsaber [laughter] in

[1:11:50] there cuz I

[1:11:51] >> change it to blue just for you.

[1:11:54] >> But you got to show some of the other

[1:11:56] pictures in the staff report.

[1:11:58] >> So, Adam did this. It's so clever.

[1:12:00] >> There unless you really want to show

[1:12:01] them off. It's

[1:12:03] >> show the header. Show the header though.

[1:12:05] You skipped that.

[1:12:06] >> The very first.

[1:12:07] >> We have a new logo here.

[1:12:08] >> That's our new city logo.

[1:12:09] >> There we go.

[1:12:12] >> Far far away. [laughter]

[1:12:13] >> Okay.

[1:12:15] bit here.

[1:12:16] >> Okay. All right. So, uh we will now

[1:12:19] start with our agenda. These can be

[1:12:21] found at the entrance there if you'd

[1:12:23] like to follow along. I'd like to

[1:12:25] welcome those that are online as well as

[1:12:26] those that are present here today. And

[1:12:28] we'll start with our roll call. So, I'll

[1:12:30] start here on my right. [clears throat]

[1:12:32] >> Steve Stewart present.

[1:12:33] >> JY present.

[1:12:34] >> Le present.

[1:12:35] >> Cole Hulie present.

[1:12:37] >> Lincoln Jacobs present.

[1:12:38] >> Van Brick present.

[1:12:40] >> Okay. Wonderful. And then if if there

[1:12:42] are any presentations and announcements

[1:12:45] from council. I don't know if we have

[1:12:47] any from staff this evening.

[1:12:49] >> Nothing tonight.

[1:12:51] >> Wonderful. This takes us to item number

[1:12:53] three on the agenda, which is our open

[1:12:55] session for public comment on anything

[1:12:58] that is not on tonight's agenda. So, I

[1:13:01] know we have some guests in the room and

[1:13:02] I feel like Mayor Kussi, former Mayor

[1:13:06] Kussi here and former council member

[1:13:10] friends. Who wants to go first? David

[1:13:13] Spencer. Okay, ladies first. [laughter]

[1:13:16] >> And Mayor Kafusser.

[1:13:21] » Mayor Kussy nodding her head as I I feel

[1:13:23] like I'm a little bit, you know, I have

[1:13:25] to be watch my P's and Q's. You are

[1:13:28] perfect, madame mayor

[1:13:30] [laughter and clears throat]

[1:13:32] and honorable council members. My name

[1:13:34] is Michelle Kafussi and I did have the

[1:13:36] honor and privilege of working with a

[1:13:38] lot of you. I mean, from the league and

[1:13:40] all the other opportunities we've had to

[1:13:42] collaborate together and we just love

[1:13:44] London. I love your chief of police. I

[1:13:46] mean, just so many great relationships

[1:13:49] with you. And as uh Mayor Lumbberg

[1:13:52] stated, I am here because there is an

[1:13:54] election coming up on June 23rd, the

[1:13:57] primary for the county commission.

[1:13:59] There's two seats. We only have three

[1:14:01] county commissioners and seat A and seat

[1:14:03] B are up right now. And I am running for

[1:14:06] seat A. And I know I Mayor Lumbberg

[1:14:10] needs to just walk me up center street

[1:14:11] in Provo and drop me off because

[1:14:14] [laughter] why do I keep doing this? And

[1:14:15] I I was just sharing with your chief, my

[1:14:18] boys were helping me load the truck to

[1:14:19] go to an event and one of them stopped

[1:14:21] and said, "Mom, do you just love public

[1:14:24] ridicule? What is [laughter] wrong with

[1:14:26] you?" I said, "I don't know." I tried to

[1:14:28] sit still and calm the world inside me.

[1:14:31] >> All of us have the same trauma bond.

[1:14:34] What is wrong? [laughter]

[1:14:36] >> But I really do. I love people problems

[1:14:39] and I love people and I love helping

[1:14:41] them solve their problems. and I feel

[1:14:43] like I've got the energy and the desire

[1:14:46] to keep giving back. So, I am just here

[1:14:49] to introduce myself and ask you to look

[1:14:51] for my name on the ballot. It will come

[1:14:53] out on June 4th in your mailbox. So,

[1:14:55] here we go again. [laughter]

[1:14:57] >> Awesome.

[1:14:57] >> Thank you.

[1:14:58] so much. Glad you're here for

[1:15:00] >> all your work on the Provo airport. We

[1:15:02] flew out of there two weeks ago. My

[1:15:03] whole family, it is phen. We flew all

[1:15:06] the way to Europe. From Provo to Europe.

[1:15:08] It's incredible. Great work.

[1:15:10] >> Look at me. I'm getting goosebumps.

[1:15:12] This is what is what is wrong with me

[1:15:14] guys. Respects over infrastructure

[1:15:16] [laughter]

[1:15:18] nerd out over that [clears throat] kind

[1:15:19] of stuff.

[1:15:21] >> All right. Thank you. And Mayor Kussi in

[1:15:23] her time as mayor. She served on over 16

[1:15:26] different boards throughout the state.

[1:15:27] She wasn't just mayoring Provo. She was

[1:15:30] advocating in really an incredible

[1:15:34] servant statewide, nationwide. I would

[1:15:37] say even globally potentially some of

[1:15:39] the things that she touched. So huge

[1:15:42] talent there. All right, welcome.

[1:15:45] >> So I I'm David Spencer, uh, mayor and

[1:15:47] council. Um, I was on the city or city

[1:15:50] council for 12 years and I didn't get

[1:15:52] elected in December, so lost by 200

[1:15:55] votes. So I decided to throw my hat in

[1:15:56] the ring for Utah County Commissioner

[1:15:58] seat B. And uh the concern I have with

[1:16:01] the county is

[1:16:03] in the [snorts] 12 years I was on the

[1:16:05] council, I didn't have one commissioner

[1:16:07] come to ORM and ask what our needs were.

[1:16:10] And I think that's a that's a a misstep

[1:16:12] on their part where they represent the

[1:16:14] citizens plus they represent the cities

[1:16:16] in Utah County. So I feel that my plan

[1:16:20] is I want to go to every city, look at

[1:16:22] your master plan, your transportation

[1:16:23] plan, see what your needs are, and then

[1:16:25] be able to because I believe that uh

[1:16:27] Utah County were fragmented.

[1:16:30] everybody's doing their own thing. So,

[1:16:31] if we can get on the same page, then we

[1:16:33] can go to the legislature and really

[1:16:34] fight for dollars for Utah County. And I

[1:16:37] believe that the legislature, the uh the

[1:16:40] leadership is pretty much in in Davis

[1:16:43] County, so they get a lot of the money,

[1:16:45] right? So,

[1:16:47] Utah County is the fastest growing

[1:16:49] county, right? So, we need to make sure

[1:16:50] that we get the dollars for our cities

[1:16:53] in Utah County. Um, I have a lot of good

[1:16:55] ideas. There's a transparency port I

[1:16:57] want to bring to the county because

[1:16:59] >> [clears throat]

[1:16:59] >> county commissioners now you don't even

[1:17:00] know if they go to their meetings how do

[1:17:02] they vote you know are they traveling

[1:17:05] foolishly when if you're a Utah county

[1:17:07] commissioner

[1:17:09] you should stay in Utah county or go to

[1:17:11] let's say legisl you need to go to back

[1:17:13] to Washington because that's why you

[1:17:14] have congressmen and senators so I'm

[1:17:18] here to represent the cities you know I

[1:17:20] love warm I love Lynon I remember I

[1:17:22] spoke at your Lynon city council way

[1:17:24] back in the day with the utopia but I'm

[1:17:26] here to serve the people and uh make

[1:17:28] sure that we come together as cities.

[1:17:30] But hopefully you'll see my name on the

[1:17:32] ballot June 23rd and I'm David Spencer.

[1:17:34] Hope I can get your vote. Thank you.

[1:17:36] >> Welcome.

[1:17:36] >> Thank you so much.

[1:17:37] >> David, what if each of you who's

[1:17:39] currently filling each seat you're

[1:17:41] running for if you don't mind?

[1:17:42] >> So a million powers I think is seat A

[1:17:46] >> and then Brandon Gordon is se they're

[1:17:48] not running

[1:17:48] >> and neither are running.

[1:17:49] >> The incumbents are retiring.

[1:17:50] >> No incumbents. So we have three people

[1:17:54] running for CB. I won the convention at

[1:17:57] 52% but didn't get 60. So we have a

[1:18:00] writing candidate which they'll be on

[1:18:02] the ballot. So there

[1:18:04] >> so yeah it's fun.

[1:18:06] I was on for 12 years so campaigning was

[1:18:09] a little different animal in the city

[1:18:10] compared to the county.

[1:18:12] >> And maybe you could talk a little bit. I

[1:18:14] know you're been a huge partner

[1:18:16] proponent with the first responders and

[1:18:18] ORM and we have this interlocal

[1:18:20] agreement with ORM Lindon Vineyard and

[1:18:22] you are kind of the the main liaison guy

[1:18:25] for OMC on all that.

[1:18:26] >> I support the first responders 100%

[1:18:28] because they keep us safe and we have to

[1:18:32] make sure that our citizens are safe

[1:18:34] because that's your police, fire, water,

[1:18:36] roads and sewer. That's the city's

[1:18:37] responsibility for the citizens and that

[1:18:40] that's the top of the list. So I think

[1:18:42] as ORM we have a great police department

[1:18:44] and a fire department and you use Orm's

[1:18:46] fire department and they're the best and

[1:18:48] um we're glad that we can keep you know

[1:18:51] Lyndon citizens safe but I am a I'm pro

[1:18:54] first responders because they put their

[1:18:56] life on the line every day and they

[1:18:57] might not come home to their families

[1:19:01] because they they gave their life. So

[1:19:03] very important that we have to make sure

[1:19:04] we we keep them safe and we give them

[1:19:06] money they need to help us be safe. So

[1:19:10] thank you.

[1:19:10] >> All right. Thank you for coming, both of

[1:19:12] you.

[1:19:13] >> Um, we know it's a lot of work away from

[1:19:17] your families right now to try to step

[1:19:19] up and serve. So, thank you so much for

[1:19:21] coming and and being willing to come to

[1:19:24] the small town of London.

[1:19:26] >> I'm glad we didn't have a clock because

[1:19:27] normally there's a clock. [laughter]

[1:19:29] >> Oh, no pressure. We're We're not high

[1:19:31] pressure like that.

[1:19:33] >> There's just a door underneath. You're

[1:19:35] good. [laughter]

[1:19:36] You were right on time.

[1:19:38] >> See you. Thank you.

[1:19:39] >> Thanks. All right. I think if you could

[1:19:41] call if there's any other public

[1:19:43] comment. There might be

[1:19:44] >> I'm going to invite that right now. If

[1:19:46] there's any other public comment, please

[1:19:48] come forward and state your name and

[1:19:50] make sure you sign in there on the

[1:19:52] table. Thank you.

[1:19:58] » Thank you, Mayor. Um, my name is Brian

[1:20:02] Lozo and I live in Oram, Utah. And I'm

[1:20:06] actually I'm glad to be speaking today

[1:20:08] because I lived in Provo at the time.

[1:20:11] Michelle Kussi was mayor and my parents

[1:20:13] who live um by one of the temples could

[1:20:17] kept talking about her and Dave Spencer

[1:20:20] actually assisted in my current

[1:20:22] apartment in Oram, the driveway being

[1:20:25] fixed. Um so I really appreciate and I

[1:20:27] do think he is someone who um stands by

[1:20:31] his word and the citizens of Utah

[1:20:33] County. And I would I I can't say enough

[1:20:37] how good of a job you're all doing in

[1:20:39] Lynen and and I love the model that

[1:20:43] you've held in Utah County for getting

[1:20:46] results for citizens and that's what I

[1:20:49] want to talk about today. I spoke

[1:20:51] earlier the previous month because I

[1:20:54] felt like the voice of the youth needs

[1:20:56] to be heard and instead of division we

[1:20:59] need to be collaborating together. And

[1:21:01] with the recent events of the Trump

[1:21:04] assassination and the gas prices being

[1:21:07] increased, espec including here due to

[1:21:10] the Iran war, I feel like my voice does

[1:21:13] need to be heard again. And I wanted to

[1:21:16] make three points today. Um the first

[1:21:18] one was a culture of safety. And I feel

[1:21:23] like at this time it's important for us

[1:21:25] to come together and to bond on our

[1:21:29] shared goals and to and to really look

[1:21:33] out for each other's security and safety

[1:21:36] and and maintain a culture of safety,

[1:21:39] meaning we all get together and care

[1:21:41] about each other and each other's shared

[1:21:44] issues. And

[1:21:46] the second point is what I feel the

[1:21:49] city's already doing the energy and

[1:21:51] resource issue. We condemn international

[1:21:54] violence but not because we want to get

[1:21:57] into fights with the entire world but

[1:21:59] because we want to focus on local issues

[1:22:04] and not allow distant conflicts to bring

[1:22:06] us down the drain. every dollar of the

[1:22:10] and of every gallon of gas counts during

[1:22:14] these troubling times. And the last

[1:22:18] point I wanted to make is about refusing

[1:22:22] to allow the outside world to consume

[1:22:24] our sovereignty. Um, Lyndon is a great

[1:22:28] place and I I love driving here, going

[1:22:32] to shop here and

[1:22:36] it these outside conflicts can really

[1:22:41] allow us to stop thinking about local

[1:22:43] issues and our own local freedoms. And I

[1:22:47] feel like we've all seen those things

[1:22:49] before. and the future of a city will

[1:22:53] not be a side effect of global markets

[1:22:56] if we dictate our own destiny. Um, I

[1:22:59] feel like this is a moment where we need

[1:23:01] to remember um our local communities and

[1:23:05] to for the city to continue getting the

[1:23:08] results they've been getting and talking

[1:23:10] to my local officials to maybe get give

[1:23:14] them those ideas

[1:23:16] um and to not let um outside results take

[1:23:22] away the progress that we've been

[1:23:24] making. Thank you.

[1:23:26] >> All right. Thank you so much. Any other

[1:23:29] public comment tonight?

[1:23:32] All right, seeing none, we will move on

[1:23:34] to our council reports and

[1:23:38] which end wants to arm wrestle to start

[1:23:40] us off here.

[1:23:42] >> I will start.

[1:23:43] >> Thank you.

[1:23:43] >> Uh the the league meetings in St.

[1:23:45] George, we're great and wonderful,

[1:23:47] always helpful, things that we learn and

[1:23:49] help us to become uh

[1:23:53] better at our jobs and the trust that's

[1:23:55] been afforded to us by being members of

[1:23:57] the city council and mayor. Love those

[1:23:59] relationships that we are able to

[1:24:01] continue and develop and always find

[1:24:03] ideas for good practices and so fun to

[1:24:06] have everybody go that went. Uh, also

[1:24:09] hopefully this week at the cemetery

[1:24:12] there'll be some sod going in and some

[1:24:15] trees going in. If the weather holds

[1:24:17] good and the schedule goes right, we'll

[1:24:20] maybe see that this week. So, I'm

[1:24:22] keeping an eye on that and we'll see how

[1:24:24] it goes. But, I think it was supposed to

[1:24:25] start Tuesday or Wednesday this week.

[1:24:28] [clears throat] That's it.

[1:24:29] >> Great. All right, Lincoln.

[1:24:31] >> We always have so much going on with our

[1:24:34] parks and wrecks. Uh, our watering will

[1:24:37] begin in our parks. Um, but keep in mind

[1:24:40] we are at a questionable water year. So

[1:24:42] there might be some yellowing. Please

[1:24:44] let your residents know that we're

[1:24:46] trying to conserve water and so some of

[1:24:48] the grass might not be getting quite as

[1:24:50] much as as uh it has in the past. Um,

[1:24:54] some people criticize our our um our own

[1:24:58] parks watering that it doesn't fit the

[1:25:01] schedules that they've indicated to the

[1:25:03] residents. Some of our parks have so

[1:25:06] much watering to do that sometimes it

[1:25:07] goes a little bit longer, but but that's

[1:25:09] the reason why there's only so much that

[1:25:10] we can physically do at a time.

[1:25:13] >> Have we put smart clocks on all of our

[1:25:15] parks yet?

[1:25:16] >> About 80%.

[1:25:18] About 85% now this year. The other

[1:25:20] percent I don't think we can. They're just little spots in little

[1:25:25] obscure places.

[1:25:28] >> Okay. I hope I represented that first

[1:25:30] paragraph well.

[1:25:31] >> [clears throat]

[1:25:32] >> Sports programs are going strong with

[1:25:33] baseball getting ready to start our

[1:25:35] T-ball, coach pitch, machine pitch, and

[1:25:37] kid pitch league. Say that really fast.

[1:25:40] We'll be at the City Center Park this

[1:25:42] year instead of Fezenbrook Park. Uh the

[1:25:45] next special event for the city is June

[1:25:47] 3rd, our summer kickoff. So, more more

[1:25:50] details coming soon on that.

[1:25:53] >> Um CTC, Historic Commission, Treeboard

[1:25:56] are all doing great. The Arbor Day

[1:25:58] celebration was awesome. really good

[1:26:00] time. And um for the arts committee,

[1:26:04] just to give you all an update, we

[1:26:05] several weeks ago, a handful of us met

[1:26:08] to discuss next steps. And the next step

[1:26:10] was to pull in a few residents just to

[1:26:13] get some ideas of what the arts

[1:26:16] committee could do or look like. And so

[1:26:19] it's still early formation discussions.

[1:26:24] » Thank you. All right, Jake.

[1:26:27] >> Uh a couple quick updates.

[1:26:29] um from the PD. Uh our God, let me get

[1:26:34] right back to that. Our uh

[1:26:38] our our K9 officer went through uh

[1:26:42] completed patrol dog school with Officer

[1:26:44] Harmon and they uh graduated top of

[1:26:47] their class. So, we're always proud of

[1:26:48] Officer Harmon and our uh K9 officer. Um

[1:26:52] and then and then just an announcement

[1:26:53] for this group of our um May 11th awards

[1:26:57] banquet for our PD. Please RSVP if you

[1:27:00] haven't already.

[1:27:02] >> What was that, Chief?

[1:27:04] >> Let me check. It might be the 13th. Hang

[1:27:06] on.

[1:27:06] >> Sorry. Wednesday.

[1:27:09] >> 13th.

[1:27:11] >> Le astray. No worries.

[1:27:13] >> Are you wanting an RSVP then?

[1:27:17] >> Yeah.

[1:27:18] >> Okay.

[1:27:19] >> We're coming.

[1:27:20] Um, awesome. And and then two weeks ago,

[1:27:24] I I brought up uh sponsorships for Lynen

[1:27:26] Days. Uh Heath and I this week secured

[1:27:29] one, we think, for the fireworks. We're

[1:27:31] excited about that. Um certainly within

[1:27:34] the council's realm to be out there

[1:27:36] asking businesses to help the city. So

[1:27:37] that's all I have.

[1:27:40] >> Okay. I think I reported last time about

[1:27:42] our youth council that we had 22 members

[1:27:45] now, up from 18 this year, and we

[1:27:47] started at 13 a few years ago. So, it's

[1:27:49] definitely a growing and and I'll call

[1:27:52] it robust since that's the word of the

[1:27:53] day today [laughter]

[1:27:54] program. And we have a solid group of

[1:27:56] young people that are going to be

[1:27:57] helping us. On the 18th, our next

[1:27:59] council meeting will be introducing the

[1:28:02] new council to this council. They're

[1:28:05] looking forward to that. Um, and then

[1:28:07] they will uh be going out and planting

[1:28:10] flowers in the city cemetery in

[1:28:11] preparation for the Memorial Day program

[1:28:13] which will be on May 25th at 9:00 a.m.

[1:28:16] at the city cemetery. and we're looking

[1:28:17] forward to participating in that with

[1:28:20] our youth council and with everyone

[1:28:22] else. We love that program and everybody

[1:28:24] involved. And I'd just like to make a

[1:28:25] note that really enjoyed our our Utah

[1:28:28] League of Cities and Towns midyear

[1:28:29] conference in St. George with most of

[1:28:31] you. I think almost all of us are there

[1:28:33] and really enjoyed that time of learning

[1:28:35] and and camaraderie.

[1:28:38] >> Thank you so much. You all do so great

[1:28:41] with your liaison assignments and

[1:28:42] reports.

[1:28:44] Uh we had um NextGen Motors did their

[1:28:48] ribbon cutting. Thank you for those who

[1:28:50] were able to come. I know it was it was

[1:28:52] on a a busy night. Um but they're doing fantastic um and doing

[1:28:58] great sales already. Um something

[1:29:01] communitywide of note is the uh Lynen

[1:29:03] City Temple dedication this Sunday that

[1:29:06] incorporated um residents in part of PG

[1:29:10] Pleasant Grove as well as ORM. So, that

[1:29:12] was a pretty significant event. Um,

[1:29:14] thank you again to Chief and all the

[1:29:17] staff that um that was a a lot of um

[1:29:21] service and coordination and um a lot of

[1:29:25] hard work to just pull off having nearly

[1:29:28] 300,000 visitors come for that. Um

[1:29:33] we also had uh

[1:29:36] interestingly Pleasant Grove City had a

[1:29:38] special uh presentation of um a

[1:29:43] photography collection that was really

[1:29:45] quite fascinating. I should have made a

[1:29:47] note of the there was a gentleman a

[1:29:50] hundred years ago who just bought this

[1:29:52] amazing camera and he just had an

[1:29:54] artistic eye and he took a lot of

[1:29:57] historical photos and I went because I

[1:29:58] wanted to see what did he catch about

[1:30:00] Lyndon and there was potentially and our

[1:30:04] um historian Brett Swberg was there so I

[1:30:06] was like okay we're good Brett's on it.

[1:30:08] So, um, anyways, pretty interesting

[1:30:10] collection. The family had donated to

[1:30:12] BYU and then a a a lady just out of her

[1:30:16] own passion went and just has digit is

[1:30:19] going to digitize the whole thing and

[1:30:21] published a book about it. And so, it's

[1:30:23] really fascinating to see our

[1:30:25] community's um images that don't exist,

[1:30:30] many buildings anymore, and just what

[1:30:32] life was like back in the day. So, um,

[1:30:36] looking forward and our museum just

[1:30:38] continues to have incredible, um,

[1:30:40] displays and donations that our historic

[1:30:43] committee is working on. So, lots of

[1:30:46] thanks to them. There's also,

[1:30:49] um, a Lynden Yard of the summer um,

[1:30:53] nomination process that's going to be

[1:30:55] happening. Um, so we'd love to encourage

[1:30:59] just people wanting to beautify their

[1:31:02] properties and their homes and get some

[1:31:04] recognition going for that. So there's a

[1:31:07] wonderful newsletter that comes out

[1:31:09] every month. Um, it doesn't mail to each

[1:31:12] home. Um, can people still pick up a

[1:31:14] hard copy here at the city center if

[1:31:16] they want a hard copy or you can opt in

[1:31:18] to get it by email. So that just has all

[1:31:22] we just have constant amazing activities

[1:31:24] and initiatives that are going on that

[1:31:26] and education um for the community. So

[1:31:30] encourage them to do that.

[1:31:32] All right, we will now turn the time

[1:31:34] over to our administrators report.

[1:31:37] >> Thanks for being good sports on uh Star

[1:31:39] Wars Day, May 4th [laughter] here. So um

[1:31:42] we need Eagle Mountain posted a picture

[1:31:44] very similar to this with their council,

[1:31:46] but you guys do it much better.

[1:31:48] [laughter]

[1:31:49] who are at best.

[1:31:51] >> You're better at AI.

[1:31:53] >> Yeah, all AI. So, uh we're continuing on

[1:31:56] here and making sure we all get equally

[1:31:58] embarrassed. So, [laughter]

[1:32:00] um just an FYI, we've got our live

[1:32:03] streaming fixed on these meetings. So,

[1:32:04] this meeting's back on YouTube. We

[1:32:06] missed about a month and a half there,

[1:32:08] but uh that got fixed today. So, it

[1:32:10] looks like it's working again for us.

[1:32:12] So, um, on the sewer treatment fee

[1:32:15] update, we met with ORUM and their their

[1:32:19] staff and, you know, we had that

[1:32:21] discussion partner versus customer. Uh,

[1:32:24] I very much felt that they were partners

[1:32:27] in this meeting. It was refreshing and I

[1:32:31] think they've they've made an effort uh

[1:32:34] to try to make sure that we feel that

[1:32:35] way. uh even so much that things such as

[1:32:39] hey if we have to we have a large amount

[1:32:42] of money that we'll be needing to pay

[1:32:44] back uh where they're using cash that

[1:32:47] they've saved um and they're willing to

[1:32:50] just match or it's the public

[1:32:52] treasurer's investment fund PTI where

[1:32:55] we're able to put money into a state

[1:32:57] fund that earns an interest rate it's

[1:33:00] actually what the state dictates we all

[1:33:03] of our general fund our savings and

[1:33:04] everything is in this PTI fund and they

[1:33:07] even went so far as to say we'll just

[1:33:10] charge that. So, they aren't trying to

[1:33:12] mark up an interest rate to be repaid

[1:33:15] which was again very refreshing. So, um

[1:33:18] some positive moves there. We'll keep uh

[1:33:21] you informed as Noah is looking at some

[1:33:23] options to try to lessen the burden on

[1:33:27] residential uh fee increases and see how

[1:33:30] we can make sure that all different uses

[1:33:33] and different zoning uh in the city are

[1:33:35] equally uh treated as far as the sewer

[1:33:39] processing and treatment that we have to

[1:33:41] perform. So um May newsletter, we've got

[1:33:45] you down there, Steve. And then June is

[1:33:47] Heath. So, thanks. And then, uh, just

[1:33:51] some dates there for Memorial Day and a

[1:33:53] meeting coming up in June. And then we

[1:33:54] mentioned this, uh, Wednesday, May 13th,

[1:33:57] meeting with Chief Brower and his

[1:33:59] department. So,

[1:34:02] any questions on any of that?

[1:34:06] If not, that's all I have. Mayor,

[1:34:08] thanks.

[1:34:08] >> Thank you. Right. Item number six is the

[1:34:11] approval of the minutes from our council

[1:34:12] meeting dated April 20th, 2026.

[1:34:16] So, if you've had a moment,

[1:34:19] >> I've reviewed them. And if the council

[1:34:20] doesn't have any changes, I'd like to

[1:34:22] make a motion that we approve the city

[1:34:24] council minutes from April 20th, 2026.

[1:34:27] >> Second.

[1:34:27] >> Have a motion by council member Hoy,

[1:34:29] seconded by council member Jacobs. All

[1:34:31] in favor?

[1:34:32] >> I.

[1:34:33] >> Okay. Minutes are approved. Thank you.

[1:34:35] Uh just really quick before you move on,

[1:34:37] just an FYI, um just wanted to make you

[1:34:40] aware that we do use um some AI software

[1:34:44] to help produce the minutes. Britney has

[1:34:46] fully embraced that and has greatly

[1:34:49] increased efficiency. Um but just an FYI

[1:34:53] that uh that helps produce a large

[1:34:55] amount of what we do now. So trying to

[1:34:57] embrace that new technology to be more

[1:34:59] efficient.

[1:35:01] >> Close sessions as well.

[1:35:03] >> Okay.

[1:35:05] Smart.

[1:35:07] >> All right. Very good.

[1:35:09] >> Thank you.

[1:35:10] >> There are no consent agenda items this

[1:35:13] time. So, we'll move on to item number

[1:35:14] eight. And this is a review and action

[1:35:16] of a general plan amendment. And uh this

[1:35:20] was continued from March 2nd. And we'll

[1:35:23] go ahead and have our

[1:35:26] economic development director here,

[1:35:28] Michael Florence, present

[1:35:31] and get us up to speed.

[1:35:33] I'm gonna step out.

[1:35:34] >> Okay.

[1:35:34] >> Recuse myself.

[1:35:36] >> All right. Council member Hoy is

[1:35:38] recusing himself.

[1:35:42] >> Uh just as a reminder from the last

[1:35:44] meeting in March, the proposal from MS

[1:35:47] Properties was to amend the street

[1:35:50] master's plan map to remove both of

[1:35:52] these streets. Uh 1,200 West in the in

[1:35:56] this section and 200 north um

[1:35:59] highlighted in green there. Uh at the

[1:36:02] last meeting uh one of the

[1:36:04] representatives for Schaefer Industries

[1:36:07] was not able to make it. He asked that

[1:36:09] the meeting be continued and so the the

[1:36:11] commit the council continued that

[1:36:13] meeting and to give the property owners

[1:36:15] the three prop main property owners MS

[1:36:17] Properties um Pacific Bridge and Steel

[1:36:20] and Schaefer Industries time to talk and re uh review the proposal. Um, in

[1:36:27] your packet, one of the items we

[1:36:30] discussed last time as well was could

[1:36:33] the property be have a culde-sac coming

[1:36:35] from State Street or sorry, Center

[1:36:37] Street North. Uh, these are the two UD

[1:36:40] do detention basins. They um receive

[1:36:43] water uh that Lynden helps maintain in

[1:36:46] those storm water basins. But, you know,

[1:36:48] this this is what the culde-sac could

[1:36:51] potentially look like as an option. um

[1:36:56] uh is an as an alternative as well. So,

[1:36:59] um,

[1:37:01] as of late today, the the property

[1:37:04] owners,

[1:37:06] um,

[1:37:08] had also reached out to me about with

[1:37:10] the potential of maybe just, um, having

[1:37:15] the discussion about,

[1:37:17] uh, removing this section from the map,

[1:37:21] uh, transportation map highlighted in

[1:37:23] green, and and leaving the rest of the

[1:37:26] map uh, the way it is um I know there's

[1:37:30] the property owners can discuss this.

[1:37:32] there's some, you know, preferences and

[1:37:35] things um for 200 north here. The, you

[1:37:39] know, Martin Snow would would prefer not

[1:37:41] to have this bisect his two properties

[1:37:43] here. Um and so that this may need an

[1:37:46] alternative route, but um so there's

[1:37:49] been some different discussions whether

[1:37:51] to do a culde-sac, whether to remove

[1:37:53] both roads segments, whether just to

[1:37:56] remove a portion of 1200 West. And so

[1:37:59] the council's got a number of items to

[1:38:01] consider with this. Um we've prepared it

[1:38:06] as the application has was originally

[1:38:09] submitted with both roads being removed.

[1:38:11] Um but I think there's a number of

[1:38:13] alternatives you you should evaluate.

[1:38:20] » Right. Council, do you have any

[1:38:23] questions for Mr. Florence?

[1:38:27] >> So in that last image that you had up.

[1:38:32] So, there is there will be a way to

[1:38:34] connect to Center Street and it's

[1:38:36] through that Anderson Lane

[1:38:39] >> down where it kind of

[1:38:40] >> I apologize I cut that off.

[1:38:41] >> It's okay. But I wondered I couldn't see

[1:38:43] but there would be another way not just

[1:38:45] 1200 West.

[1:38:47] >> Yes. Anderson Lane

[1:38:48] >> Geneva and Anderson Lane.

[1:38:52] >> Yeah, that's good. Let's see. Let's go

[1:38:54] to this one.

[1:38:56] >> So, yeah. Anderson Lane will be

[1:38:58] constructed. I think Schaefer Industries

[1:39:00] will be constructing that this summer.

[1:39:02] >> Okay, great.

[1:39:07] » All right. Any further questions?

[1:39:10] >> All right.

[1:39:11] >> Can we just go to the view you were

[1:39:13] showing before? [clears throat]

[1:39:16] >> This one here,

[1:39:16] >> the small section right there at the

[1:39:18] end. Is that a culde-sac?

[1:39:22] >> Um,

[1:39:23] >> we're we're talking about just remot.

[1:39:26] >> Yeah. Yeah,

[1:39:27] >> I don't think it needs necessarily a

[1:39:28] culde-sac there cuz it's it's not a

[1:39:30] road. It's still private property.

[1:39:32] >> This is just general plan. So, we could

[1:39:34] remove that section and the rest of the

[1:39:36] general plan would just stay the same.

[1:39:38] >> Is that right?

[1:39:39] >> That that would. Now,

[1:39:40] >> that's one of the options.

[1:39:41] >> Now,

[1:39:43] um again, a lot of this depends on

[1:39:45] property owner property owners working

[1:39:48] together whether or not the roads will

[1:39:49] go in at all.

[1:39:50] >> Sure. Um, you know, for example, this road 200 north is it's on the

[1:39:56] property boundary between MS Properties

[1:39:58] and Schaefer Industries. Um, the

[1:40:02] remaining of this uh north south road on

[1:40:05] 1200 West that's split between uh UD do

[1:40:10] um Schaefer Industries and Pacific

[1:40:14] Bridge and Steel. Um and so all of those

[1:40:17] them would have to work together for

[1:40:19] those roads to go through. We're not

[1:40:21] adjusting any zoning uh with this

[1:40:23] application. The heavy industrial zoning

[1:40:26] or whatever zoning is currently in place

[1:40:28] is not affected by these applications.

[1:40:31] This is only whether to amend the street

[1:40:33] master plan map.

[1:40:38] » All right. Okay. I think that covers it.

[1:40:39] So we have applicants in the room. Um, I

[1:40:44] don't know if we need to cover the

[1:40:45] letter that you have from from some of

[1:40:49] the parties or that that came in

[1:40:53] recently or

[1:40:55] >> there was a letter for the last one.

[1:40:58] >> Is that for in March? Is that

[1:41:03] » today?

[1:41:07] Oh,

[1:41:08] >> yeah. I think this one in green explains

[1:41:11] that. All right. There were some other

[1:41:13] Okay. And then you mentioned

[1:41:14] [clears throat]

[1:41:15] Okay. That leg around there.

[1:41:17] >> Yeah.

[1:41:17] >> Um so

[1:41:20] in the

[1:41:21] >> Yes. Let's um the applicant we'll have

[1:41:25] him come forward Mr. Snow. So he's the

[1:41:27] one that originally applied for the

[1:41:30] removal of all these roads. And

[1:41:33] obviously we want to understand the

[1:41:35] perspectives of all the property owners

[1:41:37] that are impacted by this application.

[1:41:41] Um, all right.

[1:41:43] >> All right. Well, I think there's a few

[1:41:45] new people here today than there was a

[1:41:48] couple weeks ago. So, basically, if we

[1:41:52] go to,400

[1:41:53] [clears throat]

[1:41:54] where it goes past Ivory, if you guys

[1:41:57] can follow me on that map or Yeah. where

[1:42:01] Mike's got his pointer going. We have

[1:42:04] between MS Properties and the city, we

[1:42:07] have a little property dispute there.

[1:42:10] And when we were working to res Oh, that

[1:42:12] was very

[1:42:14] I can figure out how to use that.

[1:42:16] [laughter]

[1:42:18] >> Just don't put it point it in your eyes.

[1:42:24] » Oh, I got to hold it down. Yeah. All

[1:42:26] right. So this section of road right

[1:42:29] through here is where we've been working

[1:42:32] for year and a half, two years, maybe

[1:42:35] more with the city people over a little

[1:42:39] property dispute here. And it came up in

[1:42:42] the meeting that if we would

[1:42:45] to settle this, we were gonna

[1:42:49] take this proposed road, remove it off

[1:42:51] the master plan, take the bond money

[1:42:54] that we have here, and then we're going

[1:42:56] to go develop it and finish this road

[1:43:00] through here and give the property to

[1:43:02] the city for the rightway and the needs

[1:43:04] to get that road in place. And then I

[1:43:08] think this summer sheer shadow mountain

[1:43:12] is supposed to be developing this road

[1:43:14] through here. And I think they only go

[1:43:18] up to here. So that and we'll go to this

[1:43:21] intersection right there. There'll be a

[1:43:24] little piece here that we call the group

[1:43:26] home property that still needs to be

[1:43:30] figured out to get past it, but

[1:43:33] basically that's going to open up that

[1:43:36] 1400 or Anderson Lane. I think we we

[1:43:40] call it 1400. The old map was 14. But

[1:43:43] then it's going to allow access to come

[1:43:45] from Center Street up through here. And

[1:43:48] now you can work your way out this way

[1:43:50] or you can go out that way. So I think

[1:43:53] in the discussions with the city they

[1:43:56] said well

[1:43:58] we don't really need this road through

[1:44:00] here and it's a definite safety hazard

[1:44:03] going between our buildings and then in

[1:44:06] the the other point came up was a safety

[1:44:10] fac or hazard going through here because

[1:44:13] of all the Utah Pacific's big steel

[1:44:18] ridge beams and girders and overhead

[1:44:20] cranes and so you guys went through that

[1:44:24] last time. So, I think when we left off

[1:44:26] at the last meeting, we were discussing

[1:44:28] a culde-sac

[1:44:31] up in here to come here. Uh, Shadow

[1:44:34] Mountain has concerns because they have

[1:44:37] 27 acres over here that they haven't

[1:44:40] really decided what they're going to do

[1:44:43] in there yet. uh the city. I think what

[1:44:47] Adam and and and Mike Florence are

[1:44:50] saying is uh we can put these roads back

[1:44:54] in. We can move these roads.

[1:44:58] One of my thoughts I brought up last

[1:45:00] time was maybe this road should be

[1:45:03] straight. It comes off of here. you

[1:45:05] know, maybe it could. There's a lot of

[1:45:08] options, but I think the property owners

[1:45:11] need to decide where they want the road

[1:45:13] through there because they're serving

[1:45:15] their development, whereas we're already

[1:45:18] developed and we know the road doesn't

[1:45:20] work in Utah Pacific, it's pretty much

[1:45:23] developed in here. And that's just is

[1:45:27] kind of where we let off or at the at

[1:45:31] the last meeting. So, I think the

[1:45:34] decision was let everybody voice their

[1:45:36] opinions and and we'll see what happens.

[1:45:40] This road here doesn't doesn't really

[1:45:43] it's kind of an issue here because it

[1:45:45] goes through my property there and then

[1:45:48] it splits right through Utah Pacific and

[1:45:51] gives them it basically gives them two

[1:45:54] little parcels right here and this one

[1:45:57] bisects Utah Pacific again. So that's

[1:46:02] and I don't see the use changing in the

[1:46:04] future for either us or Utah Pacific and

[1:46:09] uh because we're both established and

[1:46:12] been there 40 plus years. So I don't I

[1:46:16] don't think anything's going to change

[1:46:18] for that and I guess that's uh that's the reason for the proposal and

[1:46:25] that's how it's sitting.

[1:46:28] So, I'm a little bit unclear. Um, Mr.

[1:46:32] Snow, are you wanting as you applied

[1:46:37] to is that what you want the council to

[1:46:38] still consider or have you changed your

[1:46:40] mind? I think I think the city I haven't

[1:46:45] I proposed what was suggested by the

[1:46:47] city uh because it was the most

[1:46:51] practical idea was to take it all out

[1:46:54] because I think the city said well we're

[1:46:57] never going to be able to put that road

[1:46:59] through here and it doesn't look like

[1:47:03] it's going to be a benefit down here for

[1:47:05] the existing use. So that was my

[1:47:08] application and then there were you know

[1:47:12] the city's opinion at that time was we

[1:47:15] can put these roads in wherever we need

[1:47:17] to when this development comes up. So I

[1:47:21] mean

[1:47:23] for my personal benefit it really

[1:47:26] doesn't matter. I mean, I'd need to get

[1:47:28] the road out on the top. And that was my

[1:47:31] agreement with the city was you get rid

[1:47:34] of this, I'll settle with you over

[1:47:37] there, you know. So,

[1:47:39] >> and then I believe that's probably your

[1:47:43] legal or Mr. pause, but I think he made

[1:47:46] the comment in the last meeting that

[1:47:48] it's up to the council or that the

[1:47:50] council has the authority to approve all

[1:47:53] of it, part of it or right

[1:47:55] >> or some alternates. So,

[1:47:58] >> okay,

[1:47:59] >> I'm just going to leave it at that and

[1:48:00] I'll let the rest of them give you their

[1:48:03] opinion of what they need and

[1:48:05] >> all right,

[1:48:06] >> we'll hope we get a good decision from

[1:48:08] everybody.

[1:48:09] >> Right. So, as Mr. Florence mentioned

[1:48:12] this has completely unrelated to zoning

[1:48:15] and and uses that are allowed here. This

[1:48:17] is just and maybe you could speak to

[1:48:20] everyone in the room a little bit about

[1:48:22] when we have a street master plan. It's

[1:48:24] kind of calling out future places to

[1:48:27] have that connectivity and the proper

[1:48:29] flow um and and not strand any property

[1:48:33] owners for example if they need it. Um

[1:48:36] but at the same time

[1:48:39] these lines that are future roads are

[1:48:42] somewhat flexible because as you

[1:48:45] mentioned the individual property owners

[1:48:47] certainly a 27 acre piece may need a

[1:48:51] particular configuration when the time

[1:48:53] comes that they have actual development

[1:48:55] or whatever may happen if what you do

[1:48:58] with your business um expands or has

[1:49:02] additional buildings or uses. So maybe

[1:49:05] you could speak to just

[1:49:08] the roads themselves and permanence or

[1:49:11] not permanence and what they're calling

[1:49:12] out.

[1:49:14] >> Yeah. I mean if this green road if it it

[1:49:17] needed to shift slightly like it came to

[1:49:20] here and needed to come down. I mean the

[1:49:23] purpose is that the road goes through

[1:49:26] according to the master plan. If it had

[1:49:28] to make some minor tweaks that that's

[1:49:30] okay um in the in the future. Um but But

[1:49:34] you're you're correct that it's it's a plan for the future for

[1:49:38] circulation and and uh you know trying

[1:49:41] to help help all the property owners and

[1:49:44] not segment anything that won't be

[1:49:46] unbuildable.

[1:49:49] >> And and I think it's important to mayor

[1:49:50] to to realize that these maps were

[1:49:53] originally adopted if I'm remembering

[1:49:55] right this was originally adopted either

[1:49:57] 69 or 89.

[1:50:00] >> Um and we we last time we had our

[1:50:03] They're not here tonight, but our

[1:50:05] engineers have gone through and looked

[1:50:06] at traffic and with traffic and

[1:50:09] development that has changed, these

[1:50:11] roads don't necessarily need to be

[1:50:13] exactly in this spot. There's a lot of

[1:50:15] room for us to be able to work. So, our

[1:50:17] engineers have looked at this and and

[1:50:19] they're they feel comfortable with these

[1:50:20] changes as well. So, that's important.

[1:50:22] >> Are you saying in removing both of

[1:50:24] those, the blue and the green, they're

[1:50:26] comfortable?

[1:50:27] >> The engineers were okay with that

[1:50:28] because again, when those developments

[1:50:30] come in, they are going to have to roads

[1:50:33] and they they can configure that, but

[1:50:36] because of the heavy industry that's

[1:50:39] going through that main road going north

[1:50:41] and south, we're not going to have a lot

[1:50:43] of traffic flowing through there. And so

[1:50:45] there will have to be some

[1:50:46] configurations for the green line. And

[1:50:48] as a development comes in, we'll have an

[1:50:50] opportunity to to get a alignment that

[1:50:53] works best.

[1:50:53] >> Okay. So you're saying if we eliminated

[1:50:55] now the blue and the green later on,

[1:50:57] somebody come and say, "Hey, we want to

[1:50:58] develop this in this way. We'd like a

[1:51:00] road cut in here." And then we're

[1:51:02] addressing that as the issue.

[1:51:03] >> That's why our engineers felt fine

[1:51:05] taking them all off.

[1:51:06] >> Although my question would be is if a

[1:51:08] road is eliminated and let's say one

[1:51:11] property says I want that road but their

[1:51:14] neighbor says I don't want the road. And

[1:51:16] if the road is not on the map master

[1:51:18] plan does that create

[1:51:20] >> what that how that works right now is is

[1:51:22] both property owners still have a right

[1:51:24] to say I don't want that road there

[1:51:26] right now. But what can happen is one

[1:51:29] property owner can say, "Well, that's

[1:51:31] fine. I'll put the whole cost of the

[1:51:32] road in now." But I'll ask for what's

[1:51:35] called a reimbursement agreement that if

[1:51:37] the other property develops within a

[1:51:39] certain amount of time, typically those

[1:51:40] are 10-year period. If you develop

[1:51:42] within 10 years, um, and you get the

[1:51:46] benefit of that road for that

[1:51:47] developing, you have to reimburse that

[1:51:49] first property owner for that. And so so

[1:51:53] that would go that that ability to to do

[1:51:56] a road and and to get the council to do

[1:51:59] a reimbursement agreement that works

[1:52:01] when two properties above each other.

[1:52:03] And so if we move this road off, we

[1:52:05] probably wouldn't be able to do a

[1:52:07] reimbursement agreement or you know in

[1:52:09] that circumstance. So that is one thing

[1:52:12] that probably changes

[1:52:13] >> mayor.

[1:52:15] Well, we do have a representative from

[1:52:19] Bridge Pacific Bridge and Bridge and

[1:52:21] Schaefer Industries as well. Um there's

[1:52:25] it's a little bit complex on the the

[1:52:27] possibilities here and I I think it's

[1:52:30] important to understand the perspective

[1:52:33] of the other property owners that are

[1:52:34] potentially impacted here. Um, I'd like

[1:52:38] to invite you to come forward

[1:52:43] and maybe

[1:52:44] >> so some of you weren't here last two

[1:52:46] months ago. I'm Clark Olsen, uh, with

[1:52:48] Utah Pacific Bridge, one of the founders

[1:52:50] and president. [clears throat]

[1:52:54] Uh, the way we left it last or two

[1:52:56] months ago was because of safety issues.

[1:52:58] I'm I'm very similar to Martin Snow. You

[1:53:02] know, we've got 200 foot girders, 150

[1:53:05] tons sitting there uh with five 150 ton

[1:53:10] mobile cranes passing back and forth

[1:53:13] with that property line. Uh so it's a

[1:53:16] safety issue. I you know I just don't

[1:53:17] want a road there. However, uh we

[1:53:22] >> and road there, let's be specific. That

[1:53:24] would be in the blue. Well, really

[1:53:26] neither one. Number one, the north south

[1:53:30] because it uh it it uh adjoins our

[1:53:34] property and the east west the green

[1:53:37] road uh you know would collect

[1:53:42] from that subdivision area cars to go

[1:53:46] from there to the east and then south on uh 200 north so that you know that's

[1:53:53] our concern is just generating traffic

[1:53:56] there now two months ago

[1:53:59] uh Schaefer indust industries couldn't

[1:54:02] be here, but they did propose a letter,

[1:54:05] a culde-sac that was that was presented

[1:54:08] at least

[1:54:09] um and Clark Taylor with Schaefer uh

[1:54:15] called me shortly after, wanted to meet.

[1:54:17] I' I've been gone for about a month, but

[1:54:19] anyway, we did meet last Wednesday and

[1:54:22] uh Mr. Taylor presented that same

[1:54:25] shortened culde-sac running north south

[1:54:27] from Center Street of which uh I could

[1:54:32] do. I mean I I don't want a road at all,

[1:54:34] but I I told him that we would agree to

[1:54:37] that. It's shortened. It doesn't get

[1:54:39] north uh uh so far as to uh to bisect,

[1:54:46] you know, my two pieces to the north.

[1:54:49] And also more importantly, it doesn't

[1:54:51] have an east west road, 1,200 west or a

[1:54:55] 200 north road to collect traffic. So I

[1:55:00] thought we I thought we were good. Um

[1:55:03] but he but Clark called me at noon today

[1:55:05] and said they don't want to do that.

[1:55:07] They want all all the roads for I don't

[1:55:09] know why because he's the one that rep

[1:55:11] proposed it in the first place. But so

[1:55:13] that's where I am. So to be to to

[1:55:15] summarize I I would do the the

[1:55:18] originally proposed as of two months ago

[1:55:21] culde-sac Jordan culac but

[1:55:25] >> okay

[1:55:26] >> doesn't want to at least he didn't

[1:55:27] >> we'll give him an opportunity to

[1:55:29] >> okay great

[1:55:30] >> share thank you

[1:55:31] >> okay so that's where we're at

[1:55:32] >> okay anything else Mr. Olsson

[1:55:33] >> uh no thank you okay thank you very much

[1:55:36] all right Mr. Taylor.

[1:55:47] » Is this an exhibit that we need to share

[1:55:49] with the council?

[1:56:13] All right. Thank you. Please state your

[1:56:15] full name for the record.

[1:56:17] >> My name is Clark Taylor

[1:56:21] and I'm executive vice president,

[1:56:23] general counsel for Schaefer and its

[1:56:25] affiliate

[1:56:27] Shadow Mountains.

[1:56:30] and appreciate uh you continuing this to

[1:56:34] today.

[1:56:35] I had a family medical emergency and I

[1:56:39] appreciate the opportunity to appear and

[1:56:41] get to present our position

[1:56:44] and I should uh state greetings to the

[1:56:48] mayor,

[1:56:49] uh the council members,

[1:56:52] uh madame reporter and the city planner

[1:56:56] and attorney and

[1:56:59] administrator. You've I've worked with

[1:57:01] the city for many years. I remember

[1:57:04] going back through the old building,

[1:57:06] the the little building we've had. We

[1:57:08] work

[1:57:09] >> we've worked together. We've really

[1:57:11] tried to be good corporate citizens.

[1:57:14] Schaefer Industries

[1:57:16] um manufactures

[1:57:18] structural pipe and tube.

[1:57:21] Uh so structural pipe and tube basically

[1:57:25] there are two things that hold up

[1:57:26] America.

[1:57:28] One is concrete and two with steel. And

[1:57:31] we're a leading manufacturer in the

[1:57:32] western United States with our

[1:57:34] geographic area being from

[1:57:37] we do have some clients back east, our

[1:57:39] customers, but generally from Colorado

[1:57:42] to Hawaii and generally border to

[1:57:44] border, but in the western United

[1:57:46] States, we're a leading manufacturer.

[1:57:49] For example, if you pull this drywall

[1:57:51] down, you'd see our our steel here. It

[1:57:55] holds up billboards. that holds up

[1:57:57] gates, fences, bullards. If you just

[1:58:00] walk outside, you could name 30 uses of

[1:58:03] our steel just from your front porch

[1:58:06] here. Uh we've been and we have 27 acres

[1:58:09] there with four large facilities. I

[1:58:12] think some of you are familiar. If not dropped by anytime, I'll give you a

[1:58:16] tour. Uh we in addition and we came in 1988.

[1:58:22] Um,

[1:58:24] and we built we started our campus the

[1:58:26] 27 acres that just is off the screen

[1:58:28] there.

[1:58:33] » Uh,

[1:58:34] and then then the northern 27 acres is

[1:58:37] depicted on the the uh map and I've

[1:58:42] highlighted that in blue in the first

[1:58:45] handout

[1:58:46] >> and that currently is undeveloped land.

[1:58:49] >> That's undeveloped land. I will note

[1:58:51] that uh a couple of years ago the city

[1:58:54] and we've really tried to be good

[1:58:56] corporate citizens and I want to commend

[1:58:58] the city staff. We've we've worked well

[1:59:01] together for decades.

[1:59:04] >> Um

[1:59:05] >> thank you.

[1:59:10] So, we've worked we've worked uh

[1:59:12] tremendously together and the city

[1:59:14] wanted to place see the fill on the

[1:59:18] south part of the 27 acres. Uh we had

[1:59:21] that in green belt and the city came to

[1:59:23] us and and said we need to dispose of

[1:59:27] our dirt and like like we always get

[1:59:30] along. So, we said no problem. None of

[1:59:32] us anticipated that the county wasn't

[1:59:34] going to cooperate.

[1:59:36] >> And so now this we got a almost $350,000

[1:59:40] bill from the county because they've

[1:59:43] changed the zoning. And that will be a

[1:59:45] huge bill that will go on into the

[1:59:46] future.

[1:59:48] But the the property other than the

[1:59:51] accommodating the city is undeveloped.

[1:59:54] Uh except for on the west corridor. Uh

[2:00:00] Mr.

[2:00:00] highlighters right there if you need.

[2:00:02] >> Oh, I you know, I don't know if I'm

[2:00:03] steady enough to to do that, but maybe

[2:00:06] I'll be

[2:00:08] [clears throat] the when Ivory Homes

[2:00:10] went in,

[2:00:11] the city needed to connect here

[2:00:16] um so that they could have the water uh

[2:00:19] sewer, both pressure and normal flow.

[2:00:22] So, four lines in through there. And the

[2:00:26] ultimate resolution was we let the lines

[2:00:29] go in and the city engineered the road

[2:00:30] and we anticipate we've already had our

[2:00:32] pre-construction meeting building that

[2:00:34] this summer. And of course this is a a

[2:00:38] road that is a a residential

[2:00:41] uh road on the the master plan. You

[2:00:44] you've seen the master plan. Um

[2:00:47] so it's it's undeveloped. However, we

[2:00:51] have relied on the master plan for

[2:00:54] years.

[2:00:56] Um, so if you go to the the handout,

[2:00:59] skip the second page and and go to the

[2:01:03] third page. Um, I've tracked it back,

[2:01:06] council said it goes back further, but

[2:01:08] I've tracked tracked back as far as I

[2:01:10] can. This is 1995 a master plan to 2000.

[2:01:16] And you can see that the 1200 west is on

[2:01:19] there. And then you can see the next one

[2:01:22] is 2000 to 2005.

[2:01:25] There we have the east west 1200 on

[2:01:28] there as well.

[2:01:31] Uh and the next uh is 2006.

[2:01:35] You'll see both roads are are on there.

[2:01:39] And

[2:01:41] then we see the same in 2011.

[2:01:44] And that brings us to 2013. So, so

[2:01:48] Schaefer Industries Shadow Mountain,

[2:01:50] we've relied on the master plan for

[2:01:54] decades, literally decades, with respect

[2:01:57] to the development. Now, we recognize

[2:02:00] that the city came in and put Ivory

[2:02:02] Homes in, which may impact us with

[2:02:05] respect to development plans, but that's

[2:02:07] for something down the road.

[2:02:11] One thing I want you to note while

[2:02:13] you're looking at

[2:02:15] the if you go to the U first page of the

[2:02:19] handout,

[2:02:21] we

[2:02:22] and I'm going to use Schaefer for short

[2:02:25] for the full designation.

[2:02:30] We are the land owners that are most

[2:02:32] impacted by this. And I did a real rough

[2:02:35] calculation off of Google Earth. We have

[2:02:38] some 1,400 ft approximately at issue. Uh

[2:02:43] Mr. Snow has roughly 950,

[2:02:46] Mr. Olson about 750.

[2:02:49] But again, you have to understand we

[2:02:51] have been relying on these and to adopt

[2:02:54] the proposal as made

[2:02:58] landlocks our property

[2:03:01] from the current zoning and from the

[2:03:04] master plan which is light industrial.

[2:03:06] landlockwalks this completely because

[2:03:08] people say, "Well, you've got the road

[2:03:10] on the that you're putting in and then

[2:03:12] it continues up the east side of Ivory.

[2:03:14] That's a residential road that is not

[2:03:16] going to handle the traffic.

[2:03:19] It's not going to if we put a

[2:03:20] distribution center in there, it's not

[2:03:22] going to handle the traffic. If we go

[2:03:24] with heavy industrial, it won't handle

[2:03:25] the traffic. if if virtually you're

[2:03:28] going to landlock the property that

[2:03:30] we've relied on for decades. And so I

[2:03:32] thought, well, there must be some big

[2:03:35] public interest at issue

[2:03:38] for for this issue to bubble up to the

[2:03:41] surface at this point in time. So I

[2:03:43] thought, well, let me refresh my memory

[2:03:45] on master plans. So I went to the

[2:03:48] statute and I thought, well, let's start

[2:03:50] with our state law. And our state law

[2:03:54] requires a master plan. And under state

[2:03:58] law that it the master plan has to have

[2:04:00] two items.

[2:04:02] It must have it must address the future

[2:04:05] and present needs of the municipality

[2:04:08] and I would suggest that means the

[2:04:10] public at large not a single property

[2:04:13] owner

[2:04:14] and it has to address the growth and

[2:04:17] development

[2:04:18] of any or part of the land within the

[2:04:22] city within the municipality. So that's

[2:04:25] state law and the focus is on future.

[2:04:30] So then I thought well let's let's see

[2:04:32] what the state has said what how do how

[2:04:35] do we teach the cities this? So I went

[2:04:37] to the general planning guide that the

[2:04:39] state puts out and it says on its face

[2:04:42] in the introduction

[2:04:44] this guide will help you understand the

[2:04:46] role that the general plan should play

[2:04:49] in your community.

[2:04:52] And let me tell you in in that uh first

[2:04:55] few pages it says planning and we're

[2:04:57] talking about planning

[2:04:59] also allows stakeholders Schaefer for

[2:05:02] decades

[2:05:04] to know what to expect from your city.

[2:05:07] What are we going to expect? We're going

[2:05:09] to expect that we can develop that

[2:05:11] property in 1988. We could literally see

[2:05:13] from here to to the point of the

[2:05:15] mountains before all the growth came in.

[2:05:18] The general plan outlines your city's

[2:05:20] vision. We're talking about vision for

[2:05:23] the future and describes how that vision

[2:05:25] will be achieved. Residents, developers,

[2:05:27] business, state government, and others

[2:05:29] interested parties should be able to see

[2:05:31] how your city will change by reviewing

[2:05:34] the general plan. So, the general plan

[2:05:36] is very, very important. And that gets

[2:05:38] to the heart of your question. It really

[2:05:41] matters if we're on the general plan. It

[2:05:43] does. And in fact, if the proposal is is

[2:05:47] adopted as is, it will have a draconian

[2:05:51] effect on our property, including the

[2:05:52] value and landlocking is not fun. Well,

[2:05:56] I went on to the next step trying to

[2:05:58] track this through. What does what does

[2:06:00] the state say about drafting? Not only

[2:06:02] the policy, but what does it say about

[2:06:04] drafting?

[2:06:07] And it says the same thing. general

[2:06:09] plans, also called master plans or com

[2:06:14] comprehensive plans, guide. So guide,

[2:06:16] we're talking about the future, your

[2:06:19] community in its decision making by

[2:06:21] describing its current and future needs

[2:06:23] and then it goes on. But that's that's

[2:06:25] how this is what we're supposed to

[2:06:28] follow in drafting these. So then I

[2:06:30] thought, well, what did we draft?

[2:06:33] So I looked at our master plan and our

[2:06:38] master plan says right at the beginning

[2:06:40] what is a general plan. The general plan

[2:06:43] serves as an advisory document

[2:06:46] that helps guide the future growth.

[2:06:48] We're talking about the future growth.

[2:06:50] We're not talking about landlocking

[2:06:52] people who've relied for decades who are

[2:06:54] the most impacted owners and land use

[2:06:58] decisions. It indicates the location and

[2:07:00] type of land uses and it goes on

[2:07:05] » u skipping down the general plan not

[2:07:08] only helps guide future development. So

[2:07:11] future development and it it goes on

[2:07:14] after that. So that's what we've we've

[2:07:17] addressed and so again I'm thinking

[2:07:20] there must be some big public interest

[2:07:22] that's come up for this about phase of

[2:07:25] this issue that's been resolved for

[2:07:27] decades.

[2:07:28] And you know, I started digging into it

[2:07:30] and let me tell you what I found. I

[2:07:34] found out and I and I'm gonna tip my

[2:07:36] hand up front because I want I'm gonna

[2:07:38] bore you a little bit, but I'm going to

[2:07:39] tell you what this is all about is to

[2:07:42] resolve private litigation with the

[2:07:44] contract. That's not what master

[2:07:46] planning is for. It's not to resolve

[2:07:48] litigation. That's nowhere in the

[2:07:50] statute. It's nowhere in the in the the

[2:07:54] guide. It's nowhere in the the

[2:07:56] discussion about how we draft these.

[2:07:58] It's nowhere in our master plan

[2:08:01] resolving private disputes because Ivory

[2:08:04] and the city have an issue with Mr.

[2:08:09] Martin and we love Mr. Martin and

[2:08:11] respect him. That shouldn't dictate what

[2:08:14] we've relied on for years. Litigation

[2:08:17] resolution is not an appropriate

[2:08:19] consideration for for planning. So um

[2:08:24] Mr. Taylor, thank you. I just in the

[2:08:26] interest of time. Um I think we hear you

[2:08:30] and uh so I have I have kind of some

[2:08:33] general questions. Um I think in this

[2:08:36] instance everything that you stated

[2:08:38] there in those documents is true. They

[2:08:40] are advisory. They are vision and it is

[2:08:44] we this body has had numerous times

[2:08:47] where you know like we said this vision

[2:08:50] this advisory flow has been created many sometimes decades ago. We do

[2:08:57] revisit with the realities of today of

[2:09:00] how maybe things have changed and the

[2:09:02] way the direction development has gone.

[2:09:04] Um it is appropriate for bodies to

[2:09:07] sometimes review the practicality

[2:09:10] of those road plans and we do make

[2:09:13] adjustments and tweaks and that's um

[2:09:16] again we we we want to make a good

[2:09:18] decision that is practical and balances

[2:09:21] the interests of everyone that's

[2:09:22] impacted and also what's really

[2:09:25] happening with the growth because like

[2:09:27] you said when you were there and you

[2:09:29] could see the point of the mountain who

[2:09:30] we didn't know what was coming but there

[2:09:33] so sometimes change. We can tweak things

[2:09:35] and that's appropriate legally. Um so my

[2:09:39] question for you is um obviously you do

[2:09:44] you imagine with this 27 acres do you

[2:09:46] have a plan of what you plan to do with

[2:09:49] that? Are you going to sell it? Are you

[2:09:51] going to do you have imminent you said

[2:09:53] you were kind of relying on these roads

[2:09:56] as you've seen them for this amount of

[2:09:58] time. Do you anticipate you are going to

[2:10:01] determine what comes here or are you

[2:10:03] going to sell the property and have a

[2:10:05] another entity come and say you know

[2:10:07] what actually we want maybe the

[2:10:09] circulation to be different. I mean I'm

[2:10:11] sure you would want that flexibility

[2:10:13] within your 27 acres as well but when

[2:10:17] you say you've relied on it do you have

[2:10:20] a plan currently in mind of what's

[2:10:22] happening there?

[2:10:24] >> I'll answer the question by saying very

[2:10:26] short no. However,

[2:10:29] we had a plan and we bought the property

[2:10:32] for an expansion site.

[2:10:33] >> Okay,

[2:10:34] >> that's why we bought it and that's why

[2:10:36] we've held on to it. It's in heavy

[2:10:38] industrial. However, the city came in

[2:10:41] however many handful of years ago and

[2:10:44] put a residential area right next to us

[2:10:47] and that's caused us to rethink things.

[2:10:50] But let me tell you, with respect to the

[2:10:52] affected roads, with respect to Mr.

[2:10:54] Rollson. Nothing's changed there. And

[2:10:57] the and eliminating the these roads, I

[2:11:00] mean, he's been swinging these beams and by the way, if he's swinging these

[2:11:04] beams and and it's dangerous, he

[2:11:06] shouldn't be allowed to do it in the

[2:11:07] public road. That should be barred. And also, Mr. Martin's use hasn't

[2:11:12] changed. There's been no change in our

[2:11:15] area other than the city zoning

[2:11:18] residential, which is on the other side.

[2:11:20] And so, no, we don't have a current

[2:11:22] plan. We're going to have a plan, but we

[2:11:24] don't want to to be frozen out by a

[2:11:26] change in a master plan that we've

[2:11:29] relied on for decades.

[2:11:30] >> But you might want flexibility to

[2:11:32] potentially determine how things are

[2:11:35] developed out as well. I would imagine

[2:11:38] you're not saying do these roads and

[2:11:39] never change them.

[2:11:41] >> We are not saying that. And in fact, we

[2:11:43] considered the culde-sac, but we want to

[2:11:45] be good neighbors and I have done that.

[2:11:48] I've done my level best to get this

[2:11:49] resolved. Unfortunately, and and I think

[2:11:52] the other the opposing sides, we're all

[2:11:54] friends, and I think they'll they will

[2:11:57] recognize I've been the one running

[2:11:58] around trying to get this resolved. And

[2:12:01] we hoped a culde-sac would work, but it

[2:12:03] doesn't work because of the city

[2:12:04] ordinances. We studied it. The city

[2:12:06] engineers drafted a couple of proposals,

[2:12:09] but it doesn't get us far enough into

[2:12:11] our property so that we can do

[2:12:13] something. So, we and we don't want to

[2:12:15] be disadvantaged by having these roads

[2:12:17] stripped off of our property. the

[2:12:19] developers won't want it. They're going

[2:12:21] to say, "What's the city going to do?"

[2:12:23] So, we need certainty. [clears throat]

[2:12:24] We need to have the roads there. And the

[2:12:27] there is a quotation I have down here

[2:12:30] from I think the planning department

[2:12:31] where they say the reason we're doing

[2:12:33] this is so that the roads can be

[2:12:35] developed in accordance or put in in

[2:12:38] accordance with the development. That is

[2:12:40] completely backwards planning. You you

[2:12:43] don't do it that way. It flies in the

[2:12:45] face of what we've done. And that is

[2:12:46] under the purpose section.

[2:12:50] of the the planning report. I wish I

[2:12:55] could put my hands right on it

[2:12:58] because it just it says right on its

[2:13:00] face. Let me see if I can turn to it.

[2:13:04] >> So, you did at one point think the

[2:13:06] culde-sac might be an option that

[2:13:08] >> we did that and and what specifically?

[2:13:11] So, now you're concerned it doesn't

[2:13:13] >> it won't work. It won't work. We we have looked at we've looked at a

[2:13:17] couple of auctions. I've looked at the

[2:13:19] code the everybody can back me up. It

[2:13:22] just won't work. If you look at it, it

[2:13:25] just tips into our It won't work. If we

[2:13:28] could take that and extend it a couple

[2:13:30] of hundred feet. Well, maybe that would

[2:13:32] work. But the problem is is where it

[2:13:35] sits so far. We can't do what we need to

[2:13:38] do. I mean, it would be another problem

[2:13:40] with access.

[2:13:41] >> Okay. So actually maybe culstack is

[2:13:44] still on the table if it just had a you

[2:13:47] said a few hundred feet further in to

[2:13:51] your joining properties.

[2:13:52] >> It is an option. It's not a desirable

[2:13:54] option and not by far what we want but

[2:13:57] trying to be good neighbors. We tried to

[2:14:00] brainstorm what we've looked at every

[2:14:02] possible angle. Every possible angle.

[2:14:05] And I want to read you that quote. The

[2:14:07] purpose of the request is to allow

[2:14:11] street alignments to be determined at

[2:14:14] the time property is developed. That is

[2:14:16] backwards planning. You put the roads

[2:14:18] in. It's the future. It's the vision on

[2:14:20] the master plan so that people know

[2:14:22] what's coming. So we we've really really

[2:14:26] tried to resolve this. Now, all of that

[2:14:28] said, I I have to tell you,

[2:14:34] somebody's going to be unhappy with the

[2:14:36] result tonight.

[2:14:38] What we are, if you'll go to the second

[2:14:41] handout, we are okay

[2:14:45] as an alternative

[2:14:48] to deleting the road.

[2:14:52] You can see it on there

[2:14:54] >> that is between Mr. snows buildings from

[2:14:58] the master plan. He gets his bond. The

[2:15:00] city gets the money to rectify the

[2:15:02] litigation over at Ivy, which is what

[2:15:04] this is all about, which is improper

[2:15:06] legally.

[2:15:08] We're okay with the as long as we get to

[2:15:10] keep what we've had on the master plan

[2:15:13] for decades. So, we're not landlocked.

[2:15:16] Again, we can't access it for what the

[2:15:18] current or proposed use is

[2:15:21] >> from the the west, but we've got to

[2:15:23] access it from the east. So, if I

[2:15:26] understand clearly, it sounds like all

[2:15:28] three party business owners are in

[2:15:32] agreement that area that you have

[2:15:35] crossed out that that's not an issue for

[2:15:37] any of the parties to to for that.

[2:15:39] >> It's not an issue for us. We then we

[2:15:41] support that.

[2:15:42] >> Okay. Well, we're on the same page with

[2:15:43] that one issue. That's that's good news.

[2:15:45] I would like to allow my council to

[2:15:48] maybe ask questions um as well on what

[2:15:54] is in front of us here to any of the

[2:15:56] parties.

[2:15:58] >> So um apologize. Last time I was in the

[2:16:02] cloud, but I was here, right? And and I

[2:16:04] was the one that was kind of leaning

[2:16:06] towards continuing it to make sure we

[2:16:08] could get everybody's needs addressed.

[2:16:12] Um I'm I'm a huge advocate

[2:16:16] of the general plan. It It's important

[2:16:19] for cities to plan a city council. Yes,

[2:16:23] we need to deal with what's going on

[2:16:24] today, but we've got to look 50 and 100

[2:16:27] years. And all of us are gone and your

[2:16:29] property belongs to someone else. Even

[2:16:30] your right, your your business that's

[2:16:33] there, your businesses that are there.

[2:16:35] So, what I'd like to see is something

[2:16:37] that works today for you today, but

[2:16:41] still helps in this future. And this is

[2:16:43] not swayed by what Mr. Taylor has said,

[2:16:46] although it aligns a lot with what he

[2:16:48] has said, that's been I will I want to

[2:16:51] protect master plans as much as

[2:16:54] possible. Um, so I think it's great to

[2:16:59] remove that that one slide that Mike

[2:17:01] showed with the green road. I'm

[2:17:04] completely in favor in facilitating some

[2:17:06] of the needs that that provides

[2:17:08] >> the entire green road.

[2:17:10] >> No, his short segment.

[2:17:12] >> Yes. on snow properties.

[2:17:14] >> So, I'm I'm I think that makes

[2:17:16] everyone's happy. I think the mayor just

[2:17:17] pointed that out. I think that works for

[2:17:19] everyone. The other roads that are there

[2:17:22] on the general plan,

[2:17:26] they're there, but you keep doing your

[2:17:28] stuff, right? You keep running your

[2:17:30] business. You keep running your

[2:17:32] business. Mr. Snow, we can meet those

[2:17:35] needs. Um I'm one that would be happy to

[2:17:38] make a motion for that. But I don't need

[2:17:40] to make it right now because I don't

[2:17:41] want to cut Steve off for others.

[2:17:42] >> Yeah. I just want some clarification

[2:17:44] too, kind of going beyond where you are

[2:17:46] because I was going to mention that, but

[2:17:49] with the two roads that are in place

[2:17:51] beyond just the one you're talking about

[2:17:53] eliminating in the future, if those were

[2:17:56] to be developed, that would be some

[2:17:59] agreement between two property owners

[2:18:01] that and and what does that look like

[2:18:03] and how does that what's that process?

[2:18:06] So, typically you'll you'd have a

[2:18:08] subdivision plat dedicating right of way

[2:18:11] and so they will have to sign a

[2:18:13] subdivision plat or one person would

[2:18:16] need to buy one property owner would

[2:18:17] need to buy right ofway width from them.

[2:18:20] So, a couple different options. Um, but

[2:18:24] >> so even if those stayed on the plan, uh,

[2:18:26] it still requires all the parties to be

[2:18:28] involved in how that will end up being

[2:18:31] developed. Correct. So, everybody still

[2:18:32] has a voice in what happens.

[2:18:34] >> Yes. Okay,

[2:18:35] >> if I may, that's there's one additional

[2:18:38] option is condemnation.

[2:18:40] For example, when Ivory put in uh its

[2:18:43] development, we had no interest in

[2:18:46] utilities going across our property. And

[2:18:48] so, what did the city say? He cooperated

[2:18:50] or we're going to condemn it.

[2:18:52] >> And if you read our development

[2:18:54] agreement, it says right on his face, we

[2:18:56] are entering its agreement under the

[2:18:57] threat of condemnation. So if the city

[2:19:00] wants to do something for the which it

[2:19:02] should for the betterment of the city,

[2:19:05] the future of the city, and the land

[2:19:06] owners can't work it out, there's always

[2:19:08] combination.

[2:19:09] >> Okay.

[2:19:10] >> And I do just need to clarify and and

[2:19:12] Clark is right. It says that and Clark

[2:19:15] knows that we added that on there for

[2:19:17] tax purposes to help him. Now, there is

[2:19:19] a right of private condemnation that was

[2:19:21] raised by Ivory, but the city was never

[2:19:23] going to condemn your property. You

[2:19:25] remember that, right, Mark?

[2:19:27] >> It's not my memory.

[2:19:29] >> [laughter]

[2:19:30] >> there were utility benefits as well that

[2:19:32] we'll put in there that will help

[2:19:34] >> but but there but he's right

[2:19:36] condemnation is an option that's right

[2:19:40] >> so again I don't want to close anyone

[2:19:41] off I want to protect the general plan

[2:19:43] as a general plan it's just it's there

[2:19:46] guideline it doesn't no roads going in

[2:19:48] today we're not forcing anything we're

[2:19:51] not they would stay on the general plan

[2:19:53] everybody continue doing their business

[2:19:55] the way they're doing their business um

[2:19:58] we would just remove that section. I'm

[2:20:01] prepared to make that motion this time.

[2:20:03] Um if if but but keep talking others

[2:20:07] that are interested in asking questions.

[2:20:10] >> May I?

[2:20:11] >> Yes. Go ahead.

[2:20:13] >> Uh the thing that's changed in the last

[2:20:16] 10 years is now we have a residential

[2:20:19] subdivision to the west

[2:20:22] uh that really surrounds now heavy

[2:20:25] industrial. And again, Our concern is

[2:20:28] the traffic that that residential uh

[2:20:32] development could generate going from

[2:20:35] west to east and then going south and up

[2:20:39] then and of course then east on center

[2:20:42] street. And you know we uh you know

[2:20:46] Clark Taylor says we shouldn't be

[2:20:47] swinging over roads girders. We don't.

[2:20:50] My concern is these are so unusual.

[2:20:53] They're so large. some of the largest

[2:20:55] girders made in the western United

[2:20:57] States or the United States period. I'm

[2:21:00] concerned about just traffic stopping

[2:21:03] and watching because they will. We're

[2:21:07] also painting there. We're allowed to

[2:21:09] paint. I'm concerned about that. Um

[2:21:12] >> that's if that road goes in from west to

[2:21:15] east or east to west. Yeah, I think it's

[2:21:18] important to note that that's the road

[2:21:19] that will generate the traffic. Now, you

[2:21:22] know, the culdesac would not generate

[2:21:23] the traffic. If if Schaefer wanted to

[2:21:26] come west to east and and terminate in a

[2:21:29] culde-sac on his property to gain

[2:21:32] access, I wouldn't be opposed to that

[2:21:35] either, but I am opposed to a full east

[2:21:38] west north south corridor generating

[2:21:42] traffic right in the middle of heavy

[2:21:44] industrial.

[2:21:47] >> But we're not choosing, we're not

[2:21:49] deciding today to put a road in. We're

[2:21:50] just saying leave it there for 50 years

[2:21:53] or 100 years down the road.

[2:21:54] >> Let's decide not to put a road in

[2:21:56] because the general plan should be

[2:21:58] changed because the conditions have

[2:22:00] changed.

[2:22:01] >> But they've changed because Martin has

[2:22:04] built on [clears throat] both sides of

[2:22:05] that road. I could build heavy

[2:22:08] industrial on both sides of that road on

[2:22:10] the north my my north end that adjoins

[2:22:13] Martin Snows. Those two pieces, you

[2:22:16] know, we talk about being landlocked. If

[2:22:19] that goes in, I I've isolated two pieces

[2:22:22] that I can't do anything with.

[2:22:24] >> They're very small. I can't do anything.

[2:22:28] >> But again,

[2:22:29] >> you know, we talk about, you know,

[2:22:31] keeping the general plan with, but if

[2:22:32] the general plan because of the current

[2:22:35] conditions are are different today than

[2:22:38] they were in in 1990,

[2:22:41] change it. So, if someone were

[2:22:44] proposing, let's put a road in today,

[2:22:45] then you've got good arguments, and I

[2:22:47] would say, no, I don't think this is the

[2:22:49] right thing to do. The vote today is a

[2:22:51] general plan looking 50 to 100 years

[2:22:54] down the road. I'm fine with leaving it

[2:22:56] there. I think it's good to leave it

[2:22:57] there. We're not putting anything in

[2:22:59] today. Definitely not.

[2:23:01] >> I agree with that. But that that states

[2:23:05] that that is the possibility. That's the city sees as that as the

[2:23:09] future. And the fact And now we have

[2:23:12] residential.

[2:23:15] You know what? What if Schaefer wants to

[2:23:16] sell that as residential?

[2:23:19] What if he wants to sell it as

[2:23:20] commercial or or or uh office space?

[2:23:24] That all of those are going to generate

[2:23:26] uh traffic. And none of those are good

[2:23:29] neighbors to heavy industrial. None of

[2:23:32] them. And so if if if Schaefer wants an

[2:23:35] east west access, having put it in, it

[2:23:39] doesn't need to go all the way to the

[2:23:41] east of my property. It doesn't need to

[2:23:43] connect on the center street. If we put

[2:23:45] that culde-sac in which Schaefer

[2:23:47] recommended and we could have we could

[2:23:49] have passed this, if I would have agreed

[2:23:52] to it, it would have been changed two

[2:23:54] months ago because Schaeer requested the

[2:23:58] culde-sac,

[2:23:59] >> but I didn't want anything,

[2:24:01] >> right?

[2:24:03] And so that you know there there we are.

[2:24:05] I mean I don't know why if it just won't

[2:24:08] work now why why I mean it worked two

[2:24:11] months ago but now it won't because that

[2:24:14] was the solution

[2:24:16] >> right

[2:24:16] >> but I didn't want anything and it was

[2:24:18] new to me. Well you know because I don't

[2:24:21] want new additional traffic generated

[2:24:24] that culde-sac accomplishes that. It

[2:24:27] accomplishes it for Martin. Martin

[2:24:29] doesn't want that that east west

[2:24:31] corridor road running um against his

[2:24:36] southern property either.

[2:24:37] >> So quick question. So Mr. Taylor

[2:24:41] said culde-sac is not his first choice,

[2:24:44] but in another alternate if there was a

[2:24:47] culde-sac, if there is a culde-sac, he

[2:24:50] needs it to go a little bit deeper to

[2:24:53] the north.

[2:24:54] >> In our in our current in our ordinance,

[2:24:56] our subdivision ordinance says you can't

[2:24:58] have a culde-sac

[2:24:59] >> deeper thanund or 650 ft. So that's

[2:25:02] measured from the intersection of the

[2:25:04] street to the middle of the culde-sac.

[2:25:06] And so that's why, you know, we did that

[2:25:09] diagram and it shows, you know, what

[2:25:10] where it hits on the property

[2:25:12] >> and that's been something that we Go

[2:25:14] ahead.

[2:25:14] >> Excuse me. Is that the 650 ft you're

[2:25:16] talking about? In other words, did we

[2:25:18] take it as far north as we could?

[2:25:20] >> We did

[2:25:20] >> from Center Street under our current

[2:25:23] regulations. Well, that's something

[2:25:24] we've talked about reviewing because

[2:25:26] there's some examples in the city where

[2:25:29] sometimes there's just been things have

[2:25:31] been not developed,

[2:25:34] you know, with adjacent areas. And so

[2:25:36] maybe we need to review that. Um, but as

[2:25:39] of today, correct, that is what it is.

[2:25:40] >> Yeah. And also clarify this the homes

[2:25:44] that back on to Anderson Lane, they they

[2:25:47] do not have access to Anderson Lane.

[2:25:49] There's a big

[2:25:50] >> six or seven foot masonry wall along

[2:25:52] that street. [clears throat]

[2:25:56] » Mr. Taylor or whoever you you said that

[2:25:59] Anderson Lane couldn't be used for some

[2:26:03] of the purposes that you had hoped for.

[2:26:07] I don't I guess I is it because the

[2:26:09] trucks are too big or

[2:26:12] >> That's exactly right. You as a practical

[2:26:16] matter, you don't run semis in a

[2:26:17] neighborhood. Sure.

[2:26:19] >> And so the the the road to say we have

[2:26:22] access for the current zoning it does

[2:26:24] we're having industrial even the master

[2:26:26] plan

[2:26:28] as light industrial doesn't work too.

[2:26:30] You have semis going up and down there.

[2:26:32] >> What is the road profile width that's

[2:26:34] called out for there. It's not really

[2:26:36] technically a neighborhood because a

[2:26:38] neighborhood is is is completely cut off

[2:26:40] with that masonry wall. So the residents

[2:26:42] don't have access vehicularly or

[2:26:45] pedestrian or bicycle anything. It's

[2:26:48] segmented there. But maybe we should

[2:26:51] look what's the road profile

[2:26:53] >> closer to 700

[2:26:55] >> part of our development agreement with Shell Mountain. We actually worked

[2:26:59] with them and came to an agreement on

[2:27:01] the width and the profile of it.

[2:27:09] Again, we're all friends here, but I

[2:27:10] disagree that that wasn't considered

[2:27:13] because we do have that

[2:27:17] There's more to the story than that. We

[2:27:20] we're aware of the master plan and we're

[2:27:24] aware of current zoning and the master

[2:27:26] plan zoning. We know that a residential

[2:27:29] road won't work won't work. So, we had

[2:27:32] the option at our cost using more than

[2:27:36] half of the road with our neighbor on

[2:27:37] our property of expanding the road on

[2:27:40] that segment. And we elected we made

[2:27:43] that election timely and writing. But

[2:27:46] that was our idea because we know that road as currently

[2:27:51] drafted on the master plan won't work

[2:27:54] for the development of this property. So

[2:27:56] that's why we're landlocked.

[2:27:59] Now you're right. Can things change in

[2:28:01] the future? Maybe. But right now it's

[2:28:04] 650 ft. I'm very concerned about the

[2:28:07] fire department not allowing that even

[2:28:09] if the city council and the planning

[2:28:10] commission would allow it. So there are

[2:28:12] a lot of ifs. And so what we need to in

[2:28:14] my judgment is stick to what the policy

[2:28:17] is plan for the future like we've been

[2:28:20] relying for 30 years and our the

[2:28:23] proposal that Mr. Jacobs has made not

[2:28:27] formally lets matters go forward now and

[2:28:31] tables matter for the future when we

[2:28:33] address them everybody you guys can all

[2:28:36] move forward with your deal. So, if

[2:28:38] Anderson Lane you feel is not wide

[2:28:40] enough

[2:28:41] um and then your segment that connects

[2:28:44] to Anderson Lane

[2:28:47] um

[2:28:48] has that same profile adoption which was

[2:28:51] skinny up the road a little bit. Um

[2:28:54] would you ever want to expand it that

[2:28:57] profile for your industrial portion down

[2:29:00] there of Anderson Lane?

[2:29:05] We are we're going to build for what

[2:29:08] we're currently master zone for our

[2:29:10] master plan for

[2:29:11] >> and what we're currently zoned for.

[2:29:13] We're going to build as though we're

[2:29:14] relying on what's there. And so we are

[2:29:17] building at our cost using our extra

[2:29:21] land, not going right down the middle.

[2:29:22] We're using we're paying for the extra

[2:29:25] improvements and using our land to make

[2:29:27] it wider than what the city

[2:29:30] than the the north south straight north

[2:29:33] south part of

[2:29:33] >> Anderson

[2:29:35] because we think master plan should

[2:29:37] carry weight.

[2:29:40] » All right.

[2:29:45] » Yes.

[2:29:46] >> When Ivory came in, I was just looking

[2:29:49] at the 2006 master plan.

[2:29:52] The

[2:29:54] east west roadway

[2:30:02] off 700 and then

[2:30:06] went back and then the city put in the

[2:30:08] road to get down to the lift station. So

[2:30:12] the east west used to continue right on

[2:30:16] straight through and now that part of

[2:30:18] the road isn't there anymore. So I mean

[2:30:22] that's why I was saying is that in the

[2:30:24] right place

[2:30:27] for that I would think looking at the

[2:30:29] map we already took part of it out and

[2:30:31] the other issue that you were talking

[2:30:34] about the street with that road that

[2:30:36] went through Anderson what I call 1400

[2:30:39] was in the previous

[2:30:42] years that was 66 foot wide road and

[2:30:45] then when Ivory came in we developed our

[2:30:48] side build This is a 66 foot road. Then

[2:30:53] Ivory shrunk it down to 15 foot so they

[2:30:56] could build a little closer. We run a

[2:30:59] lot of trucks through there every day.

[2:31:01] Probably 10 or 15 trucks because they

[2:31:04] come straight down Anderson Lane. They

[2:31:06] come around, go through our shipping

[2:31:07] yard. It is a lot tighter than it would

[2:31:11] be if it was 66 feet wide, but the

[2:31:13] trucks are still going through there and

[2:31:16] but there's not much traffic now.

[2:31:20] because

[2:31:21] >> the residential are cut off.

[2:31:23] >> The residential people don't

[2:31:25] >> have an access point.

[2:31:26] >> They have no access. So, it's really

[2:31:28] just our trucks going through. But, I

[2:31:31] mean, it it will get busier when it's a

[2:31:33] through street. It'll definitely get

[2:31:35] busier.

[2:31:36] >> And there's I think what Mr. Taylor

[2:31:39] saying is what they did there. They

[2:31:42] planned it for the 50 foot profile road,

[2:31:46] but they added it's 10 or 15 feet on

[2:31:49] their side, which allows for more

[2:31:52] parking and think that's probably what

[2:31:55] needs to be done as a minimum. So really

[2:31:57] what happened

[2:32:07] » I would like to One more if I could.

[2:32:10] This is an important decision because

[2:32:11] there aren't many 27 acre left. This is

[2:32:15] not a an easy or decision. We all have

[2:32:20] to put a lot of time and effort into.

[2:32:25] >> Yes. And it is you can't really get

[2:32:27] access from the west because you have

[2:32:29] I-15.

[2:32:31] Um the north access is is a little bit

[2:32:36] limited.

[2:32:38] um as well like you're saying. Um

[2:32:42] anyway, council, any other questions?

[2:32:52] Both sides have presented their points

[2:32:53] of view very very well.

[2:33:05] Have we exhausted every possibility of

[2:33:08] making it work for all three? Is there

[2:33:11] something we're missing that hasn't been

[2:33:14] reviewed or proposed or thought about?

[2:33:18] Good question.

[2:33:21] >> I can tell you I have done my level

[2:33:23] best. I've met with the parties. I've

[2:33:25] met with

[2:33:26] Adam. I met with Noah.

[2:33:30] Travis Travis

[2:33:32] >> Trent

[2:33:35] >> Michael number I've I've done everything

[2:33:37] to exhaust every opportunity to present

[2:33:41] something that has worked for everybody

[2:33:43] and unfortunately we are where we are.

[2:33:57] Could

[2:34:05] you please show us again? Um, Mr. Snow,

[2:34:10] I see two parcels there. Are do

[2:34:13] [clears throat] you own one or both?

[2:34:15] There below the green line

[2:34:17] >> in that down in that corner. I own one

[2:34:20] and the group home owns the other.

[2:34:22] >> Okay, that's the group home there.

[2:34:24] >> Yeah,

[2:34:26] >> the group home. There's a boy group home

[2:34:28] there.

[2:34:29] >> So the green dash line goes between it

[2:34:33] splits my parson there and it splits up.

[2:34:37] >> Is there any conceivable idea that there

[2:34:40] could be eliminate this and then

[2:34:44] have this and then go across there.

[2:34:48] That was what I brought up in the last

[2:34:51] meeting is saying then it lines up but

[2:34:55] >> then we don't bict Pacific Bridge.

[2:34:59] Don't bisect your piece here. You still

[2:35:02] have full circular access

[2:35:06] here.

[2:35:07] >> I think I don't really want to make the

[2:35:10] decision on what's affecting Clark's

[2:35:13] property because he's the one that needs

[2:35:15] to develop it. That's where

[2:35:17] >> is that something that is untenable to

[2:35:19] you?

[2:35:20] >> It is. We don't we don't know what we're

[2:35:21] going to put there and it may be a large

[2:35:23] distribution center which would prevent

[2:35:25] the development. We've explored that

[2:35:28] option is to answer your question and I

[2:35:31] might note that uh I mean we could

[2:35:34] really drill down on this but Mr. Snow's

[2:35:38] building was was approved and the

[2:35:40] development agreement approved on the

[2:35:43] condition that road's going through and

[2:35:45] I think if I this to even a elementary

[2:35:48] sixth grader said where should this road

[2:35:50] go? It should go north and south. And

[2:35:53] we're not here jumping up and down

[2:35:54] saying don't do that. But we're saying

[2:35:56] don't please don't landlock us. Leave

[2:36:01] what we've relied on for decades and go

[2:36:04] ahead and accommodate Mark at this

[2:36:05] point.

[2:36:09] » All right. So you would like to keep

[2:36:11] options open for what you don't know yet

[2:36:14] is coming. Um and I think our attorney

[2:36:18] clearly explained

[2:36:20] um for the road to go in there has to be

[2:36:23] you know agreement on on cooperation.

[2:36:25] Right now no road is happening at this

[2:36:29] point in time. Um

[2:36:34] >> no council any other

[2:36:42] it's been discussed just a little bit

[2:36:44] that culde-sac

[2:36:46] and the 650 ft and the idea that it

[2:36:50] could be reviewed and possibly go

[2:36:52] longer. Uh you brought up the points of

[2:36:56] fire and those types of things. Uh is

[2:37:00] that even feasible for reasonably

[2:37:03] feasible?

[2:37:05] >> Yeah.

[2:37:06] >> Is it as simple as a legislative

[2:37:07] decision or how many departments get

[2:37:10] involved with?

[2:37:10] >> One of the things I've talked with Mr.

[2:37:12] Florence is to review that ordinance

[2:37:15] right now in the city because we have

[2:37:17] we've run across you know situations

[2:37:20] with that in the past as you may recall

[2:37:22] Van and just to maybe explore

[2:37:26] you know what do other cities do in that

[2:37:28] regard and and what are different

[2:37:30] situations we've come across with it.

[2:37:33] Yeah, I mean we we would review it with

[2:37:35] in conjunction with our engineering and

[2:37:37] fire departments because you're dealing

[2:37:39] with water and sewer lines as well and

[2:37:42] pressure and we already have issues with

[2:37:45] deadend culde-sacs and pressure and

[2:37:47] stagnant water and things and so we'd

[2:37:49] work with so be planning engineering and

[2:37:52] fire would all need to evaluate those

[2:37:54] and and it's it is all over the board.

[2:37:56] Cities have some have 650, some have

[2:37:59] a,000 ft. It it it changes per city as

[2:38:02] well. So

[2:38:25] Yes,

[2:38:26] >> Mr. Taylor. I really don't understand

[2:38:29] why what difference it makes to you if

[2:38:30] that east west road is on the the north

[2:38:33] side of your property, the very north

[2:38:34] side or the very south side. What

[2:38:37] difference does it make?

[2:38:41] » You've got to go in. one or the other.

[2:38:44] You've got same if that road cut across

[2:38:47] east to west a lot further south than

[2:38:49] what we're showing. In other words,

[2:38:51] further south than than our property, my

[2:38:54] property. Um uh what's what difference

[2:38:58] does that make?

[2:39:00] >> It limits our development of the

[2:39:01] property.

[2:39:02] >> Why?

[2:39:03] >> You're talking about the east west road.

[2:39:06] >> Yeah. Just move on.

[2:39:07] >> If you drop that road south, then we

[2:39:09] can't put a large distribution center in

[2:39:11] there. I think he's experiencing the

[2:39:13] same problem you have of getting

[2:39:15] biseected that as was brought up by some

[2:39:18] of the other parties. It's not

[2:39:19] preferable to be by

[2:39:21] >> Well, I'm not see I'm not saying because

[2:39:22] we we get into the ponds there, don't

[2:39:24] we?

[2:39:26] the the Utah state owned property

[2:39:32] » close the two detention bas

[2:39:44] » yeah I was I was saying to move that

[2:39:46] further south and so clerk what you're

[2:39:48] saying is you can't you can't move it

[2:39:51] south far enough right

[2:39:54] >> we can't we can't limit the devel

[2:39:56] velment of our property which we've

[2:39:58] again it's been through multiple master

[2:40:01] plans for decades where it is and we

[2:40:03] think it should stay where it is as

[2:40:05] we've relied on it. We might have made

[2:40:08] different decisions along the way if if

[2:40:10] you know the plans were going to be

[2:40:12] changed. Well, I I I don't know how big

[2:40:14] a piece is my AR my my that I own north

[2:40:18] and south of that green line uh as it

[2:40:21] adjoins to uh 1200 west.

[2:40:25] But

[2:40:27] I certainly can't use those as heavy

[2:40:29] industrial. They're they're just not big

[2:40:31] enough. That that presents the same

[2:40:33] problem with me. I can't take my uh my

[2:40:37] uh storage area to the west uh at all.

[2:40:42] But If you come full circle, we're we're

[2:40:44] really not here because of that road.

[2:40:47] We're here because of a dispute with the

[2:40:50] city and Mr. Martin.

[2:40:52] That's why we're here. We wouldn't be

[2:40:54] here discussing that road, nor the north

[2:40:56] south segment at all. It's this the city

[2:41:00] and Lyndon have a problem with respect

[2:41:01] to an encroachment that was allowed. And

[2:41:05] so the idea to do all of this didn't

[2:41:08] come from some grandios planning. It

[2:41:11] came from Mr. Cowi in trying to resolve

[2:41:13] litigation. That's not why we do master

[2:41:16] planning

[2:41:18] and that's been through. We've had the

[2:41:19] same plan for decades. We don't solve it

[2:41:22] based on a litigation.

[2:41:24] >> And and and like we mentioned earlier,

[2:41:27] nothing is set in stone, immovable,

[2:41:29] inflexible. If there are reasonable

[2:41:33] uh adjustments to be made, that's why

[2:41:35] we're here to consider them. and and we

[2:41:37] want to hear each of the parties and and

[2:41:41] sometimes, you know, it's it's complex

[2:41:44] like you say and so

[2:41:46] council this is uh

[2:41:50] an action item for you.

[2:41:54] Um

[2:41:55] so

[2:41:57] what are your thoughts on this here?

[2:42:00] We've been deliberating on it for some

[2:42:01] time and I think we've heard all the

[2:42:04] parties

[2:42:06] different interests and concerns.

[2:42:10] >> Uh this is an unfair question because

[2:42:12] when I got moved into our mo our current

[2:42:15] house, I didn't look at any master plans

[2:42:17] or roads or anything. I had no clue. So

[2:42:19] maybe it sounds like you all have been

[2:42:22] considering this for a long time. And so

[2:42:25] Mr. Snow, Mr. Olsen, have your

[2:42:28] organizations

[2:42:30] If we were to rewind the clock and there

[2:42:33] wasn't a discussion about removing it,

[2:42:36] what was your plan

[2:42:38] with the way things are now? I mean,

[2:42:41] there's some safety issues you've

[2:42:42] brought up. So, I mean, I guess nothing

[2:42:45] would trigger these roads, so maybe you

[2:42:47] didn't have to think very much about

[2:42:49] what would what you would do with

[2:42:51] divided land and small, but did you look

[2:42:54] at all what you might do? um or is this

[2:42:59] you know it's peace of mind to have a

[2:43:02] dotted line off a map you know

[2:43:05] >> so definitely peace of mind but when we

[2:43:08] did put those two buildings in across

[2:43:12] the road there was a lot of discussion

[2:43:14] at that time about developing 1400

[2:43:18] and not worrying so much about this road

[2:43:21] because 1400 was supposed to be the main

[2:43:24] artery supposed to

[2:43:26] sack at one corner straight out. So, you

[2:43:30] know, we weren't really 100% concerned

[2:43:34] that that road was ever going to go

[2:43:36] through. So, that was our hope was

[2:43:39] always, you know, in our mind on paper

[2:43:43] this was the master plan, but also 1400

[2:43:47] went straight through

[2:43:51] and there's some issues down the

[2:43:55] power.

[2:44:05] I think one of the holes right in the

[2:44:07] middle.

[2:44:08] >> Where's the utility?

[2:44:11] >> Okay.

[2:44:13] [laughter]

[2:44:14] >> The further you get away, the harder it

[2:44:16] is.

[2:44:16] >> I know. Yes, it's true. It's true.

[2:44:19] >> So,

[2:44:20] that's that's our, you know, my input on

[2:44:24] that.

[2:44:31] All right, councel.

[2:44:34] >> I don't want to cut anyone off. I'm

[2:44:36] prepared to make a motion.

[2:44:39] [clears throat]

[2:44:40] I move to approve ordinance

[2:44:43] and and help me if I'm saying this wrong

[2:44:44] or if I'm missing something, please. I

[2:44:46] move to approve ordinance 2026-1-

[2:44:52] with the amendment that 1200 West be

[2:44:54] removed up to 200 north.

[2:44:59] » Is that this?

[2:45:03] » It matches. Yep. Kind of

[2:45:06] >> Yes, it does match that. And it also

[2:45:08] matches one that Mike showed earlier.

[2:45:12] Although Mike's was a little short and

[2:45:13] I'm saying go ahead and remove it all

[2:45:16] the way up to 200 north.

[2:45:21] » So matches that one.

[2:45:22] >> So that extra

[2:45:23] >> 200 north.

[2:45:24] >> Yes.

[2:45:29] » All right. We have a motion.

[2:45:30] >> I second.

[2:45:31] >> We have a motion by council member

[2:45:33] Jacobs, seconded by council member

[2:45:35] Stewart. Any further discussion on the

[2:45:37] motion?

[2:45:39] >> All right.

[2:45:40] >> So with what you proposed

[2:45:45] there. Um

[2:45:49] I'm just

[2:45:50] >> I still leave it open for a culde-sac.

[2:45:52] That could still happen if everybody got

[2:45:53] together and said, "Let's make this." We

[2:45:56] have that option there.

[2:45:57] >> All the other options are there. We're

[2:45:58] not planning. I shouldn't say.

[2:46:01] >> No one's proposing to put a road in

[2:46:02] today.

[2:46:03] >> That's a decision down the road. This is

[2:46:05] just saying remove that 1,200

[2:46:09] west section up to where 200 north goes.

[2:46:13] Everybody conduct business as they have

[2:46:14] in the past.

[2:46:19] » Okay.

[2:46:20] Any further discussion on the

[2:46:22] motion? Understood what the motion

[2:46:24] entails. All right. I'll call the vote.

[2:46:27] All in favor?

[2:46:29] >> I.

[2:46:30] >> Any opposed?

[2:46:31] >> Name.

[2:46:32] >> Okay. That's three eyes. One may the

[2:46:36] motion carries.

[2:46:45] » Thank you all for coming here and being

[2:46:46] here tonight.

[2:46:54] All right. Item number nine has been um

[2:46:57] they've moved to a future date. So we

[2:47:01] will move on to item number 10 which is

[2:47:03] the recess to the Lynen City

[2:47:04] Redevelopment Agency.

[2:47:08] So we just

[2:47:09] >> recess the Lynen City Council meeting

[2:47:11] and convene as the Lynen City RDA.

[2:47:14] >> Second.

[2:47:15] >> Okay.

[2:47:15] >> So moved by Councilman Stewart, seconded

[2:47:17] by Councilman Broadick. All in favor?

[2:47:19] >> I.

[2:47:20] >> All right. We are now in the uh RDA

[2:47:24] uh here um on May 4th, 2026. And we'll

[2:47:28] have a roll call. I'll start here on my

[2:47:30] right.

[2:47:31] >> Steve Stewart I

[2:47:32] >> J I

[2:47:34] >> Lunberg I

[2:47:35] >> Cole Hulie I

[2:47:37] >> Lincoln Jacobs I

[2:47:38] >> Van Brick I.

[2:47:40] >> All right, there are some approval of

[2:47:41] minutes from the March 16th RDA meeting

[2:47:47] and adoption.

[2:47:51] » I'll make a motion that we approve the

[2:47:53] March 16th uh 2026 RDA minutes. Second

[2:47:58] >> motion by council member Hoy, seconded

[2:47:59] by council member Stewart. All in favor

[2:48:02] of passing the approval of the minutes.

[2:48:04] >> I

[2:48:06] >> Okay, that is unanimous. Thank you. All

[2:48:08] right, we'll go on to item number three.

[2:48:10] This is a public hearing budget

[2:48:11] amendment. So, we need to open a public

[2:48:13] hearing.

[2:48:14] >> I make a motion to open a public

[2:48:15] hearing.

[2:48:17] >> Second.

[2:48:17] >> Okay. So, moved by Councilman Broadick,

[2:48:19] seconded by Council Member Point. All in

[2:48:21] favor?

[2:48:22] >> I.

[2:48:23] >> All right.

[2:48:26] Chase, you you rock that look.

[2:48:31] » Chase Adams are the hair. The hair makes

[2:48:34] the [laughter]

[2:48:36] >> Yeah. Sorry. Um

[2:48:37] >> I I had the AI ask him to make you have

[2:48:39] long hair. So that's from like the the

[2:48:42] uh directory photos.

[2:48:44] >> Yes.

[2:48:45] >> So

[2:48:46] >> it's not quite long enough though.

[2:48:48] >> It's got some more curl through it

[2:48:50] though.

[2:48:51] >> I think I'm getting close to uh to

[2:48:53] chopping it. So [laughter]

[2:48:54] Um,

[2:48:56] okay. Um,

[2:48:58] we're

[2:49:00] u mostly here to just kind of close

[2:49:02] three of our um RDAs. Um, the State

[2:49:07] Street District, the Westside District,

[2:49:08] and the district number three. Um,

[2:49:12] that's kind of largely what the the

[2:49:14] amendment does. Um, so essentially we're

[2:49:17] going to get rid of not get rid of uh

[2:49:19] close out, I should say. Sorry. um those

[2:49:22] three

[2:49:24] um and uh largely by transferring uh the

[2:49:30] remaining funds to the affordable

[2:49:32] housing fund um which is I don't

[2:49:36] uh which is kind of just a a fund that

[2:49:39] um we're using for like kind of

[2:49:41] accounting transfers in and out and like

[2:49:44] interest and stuff. So for um the

[2:49:46] affordable housing funds um

[2:49:50] uh other than that there's uh a couple of uh I I don't know tons not tons of

[2:50:00] changes to the 700 North CDA and the uh

[2:50:04] and sorry I call them RDA RDA not CDA

[2:50:07] >> over the uh over the years I guess the

[2:50:09] acronym has changed for uh redevelopment

[2:50:12] area. So, uh, but also the Lynen Park

[2:50:16] CRA,

[2:50:17] >> right?

[2:50:18] >> Um,

[2:50:19] >> and, um, there's, uh,

[2:50:23] let me, let me just check my notes, make

[2:50:25] sure I'm not leading anyone astray here.

[2:50:27] I think um my the big thing I was supposed to

[2:50:35] note was that uh we're um allocating 5%

[2:50:40] uh of the tax increment towards um

[2:50:45] affordable housing for the 700 North RDA

[2:50:48] and for the Lynen Park RDA or rather

[2:50:52] CRA, sorry, whatever it's called. Um is

[2:50:56] uh We're allocating 10% of the tax

[2:50:58] increment towards affordable housing

[2:51:00] from from that uh that district. Um

[2:51:06] and I

[2:51:08] Kristen told me to note that um

[2:51:10] currently in the affordable housing uh

[2:51:12] we have 50,000 $57,581

[2:51:18] and we'll be moving uh by the end of the

[2:51:20] year. We anticipate having a by the end

[2:51:22] of the fiscal year um we anticipate

[2:51:26] having uh 189,693

[2:51:31] u in that account.

[2:51:34] Um and that was essentially the notes

[2:51:38] that I uh that I have. If there's uh

[2:51:40] specific questions I'll probably have to

[2:51:43] get back to you on, but [laughter] I'm

[2:51:44] happy to happy to field what I can.

[2:51:47] >> I I can add a few items to that. Um, so

[2:51:51] like we have two RDA areas, the 700

[2:51:54] North RDA and the Lynen Park CRA. We

[2:51:57] we've got a withhold uh 10% and 5% of

[2:52:01] the property tax increment for housing.

[2:52:04] So that that that that's has to be

[2:52:07] ongoing. The current state law says that

[2:52:11] after uh RDA expires, you've you've got

[2:52:15] to move that housing into or you've got

[2:52:18] to move those any remaining funds into

[2:52:20] housing. Now, that changes on Wednesday

[2:52:24] and it says on Wednesday, it says you've

[2:52:27] got to go back and find out who all the

[2:52:29] texting entities are and if there's any

[2:52:32] additional funds, you have to reimburse

[2:52:34] all those taxing entities with that

[2:52:36] remaining budget. And so, that kind of

[2:52:39] partic uh kind of helped move this

[2:52:42] forward that [laughter]

[2:52:44] um as we're reading the new state code

[2:52:45] last week, uh we said, "Well, let's not

[2:52:49] give all this money back. Let's move it

[2:52:51] under the current law to affordable

[2:52:54] housing and then we'll figure out how to

[2:52:57] apply that in the future.

[2:53:01] » Good to know.

[2:53:04] >> And then the three districts that are no

[2:53:06] longer collecting tax increment and have

[2:53:08] this leftover fund balance. Um just for

[2:53:11] the record, for those that are

[2:53:12] listening, could we let's state what

[2:53:14] those are?

[2:53:15] >> Uh yes, sure. Um the

[2:53:19] uh the State Street District. Um

[2:53:22] [clears throat] we have we've used like

[2:53:25] 325,000

[2:53:27] uh for

[2:53:29] um to help pay for uh

[2:53:33] um

[2:53:36] >> purchase.

[2:53:37] >> Yes, a property purchase. Sorry. Thank

[2:53:38] you. Um Mr. Florence.

[2:53:41] And um

[2:53:44] uh so the remaining balance there would

[2:53:47] be 21,936

[2:53:50] uh that we would be transferring to

[2:53:54] uh in that case the uh the recreation

[2:53:56] front fund. Um

[2:53:59] >> and that's an eligible RDA. So that one,

[2:54:02] you know, doesn't necessarily need to go

[2:54:03] to housing. That that's an eligible

[2:54:05] fund,

[2:54:07] >> right?

[2:54:09] Thank you.

[2:54:10] And um in the west side uh district

[2:54:15] there's uh 21,744.

[2:54:18] Um all of that would be going to the um

[2:54:20] the housing affordable housing fund. Um

[2:54:23] in district 3 there's uh

[2:54:30] 7,477

[2:54:33] uh in total revenues. Um, of that, uh,

[2:54:36] 97,200 would be going to the housing

[2:54:38] fund. Uh, we're taking, uh, like a hair

[2:54:43] under 6,5,995,

[2:54:45] uh, to pay for, uh, landscaping services

[2:54:48] uh, for the remainder of the year and,

[2:54:51] um,

[2:54:53] that were trans rather transferring,

[2:54:54] sorry, to the general fund because it

[2:54:56] was uh, kind of prepaid out of that

[2:54:57] fund. Um

[2:55:00] and

[2:55:02] um

[2:55:04] those are the three.

[2:55:09] All right, council. Any questions?

[2:55:14] Okay, this is a public hearing, so I'd

[2:55:16] like to open it for any public comment.

[2:55:22] » All right, seeing none, I'd

[2:55:24] >> like a motion to close the public

[2:55:25] hearing.

[2:55:26] >> Second.

[2:55:26] >> Okay. A motion by council member

[2:55:27] Broadick, seconded by council member Hoy

[2:55:29] to close a public hearing. All in favor?

[2:55:31] >> I.

[2:55:32] >> Okay.

[2:55:33] >> Be interesting to see with our new

[2:55:35] school district

[2:55:37] if there's opportunities with them down

[2:55:39] the road. Um they seem so much more

[2:55:43] friendly and amanable now. Um

[2:55:46] [clears throat] but I almost see them

[2:55:47] going away from participating. I I I

[2:55:50] don't I I guess I'm not close enough to

[2:55:51] it. Have we seen since Oram's University

[2:55:55] Place any participation from a school

[2:55:57] district?

[2:56:03] » Yeah. Okay.

[2:56:06] Just a thought. I I I mean I thought the

[2:56:08] meeting went really well today. I think

[2:56:10] there's just a lot of synergy there, a

[2:56:12] lot of friendship between the groups.

[2:56:15] Um

[2:56:17] maybe down the road

[2:56:23] This is the budget item.

[2:56:25] >> Okay.

[2:56:27] With the public hearing closed, is

[2:56:30] there any other comments? Any other

[2:56:31] concerns?

[2:56:33] I'd be glad to make a motion.

[2:56:36] >> Uh, I move to approve resolution

[2:56:38] 2026-2-RDA.

[2:56:41] » Second.

[2:56:42] >> Oops. Second

[2:56:43] >> as presented. Yes.

[2:56:44] >> Sorry. Who? We have Councilman Hoy.

[2:56:47] Motion. Who is the second? Roderick. All

[2:56:50] right. Thank you. All in favor?

[2:56:52] >> I

[2:56:54] >> All right. So, that's a budget

[2:56:56] amendment. So, now we'll move on to item

[2:56:58] number four of the RDA agenda and that

[2:57:02] is to now have a review and action to

[2:57:04] dissolve these expired RDAs that were

[2:57:07] presented.

[2:57:08] >> Yeah. And so these RDAs, they were

[2:57:10] created in the 80s um between 82 and 89.

[2:57:14] Um we haven't collected any uh you know

[2:57:18] increment taxes off those since you know

[2:57:21] between tw 2009 and 2019. Um they've all

[2:57:25] been successful. They've they've met

[2:57:26] their purpose especially where Home

[2:57:28] Depot and Murdoch Hyundai I mean that has created some of our top sales

[2:57:33] tax producers. So those are great to set up. Uh the west side was set up to

[2:57:39] basically help where Schaefer Industries

[2:57:41] is and and those industrial properties

[2:57:44] to help improve our industrial sector

[2:57:47] and um the State Street sounded like

[2:57:50] there was some issues of blight they

[2:57:52] were dealing with in the 80s and I think

[2:57:54] State Street looks a lot better in those

[2:57:56] areas that were redeveloped. So, but

[2:57:58] they've outlived their their time and um

[2:58:01] it's now we're bringing forward a

[2:58:03] process to dissolve those three areas.

[2:58:05] We've created the processes. We have to

[2:58:08] um approve those by the dissolution by

[2:58:11] resolution and then the city council has

[2:58:14] to approve it by an ordinance.

[2:58:19] » When you say they're expired, what does

[2:58:21] that mean? When they're first created,

[2:58:23] they were created for certain period of

[2:58:24] time

[2:58:25] >> typically. Yeah. like this 700 North

[2:58:27] RDA. It it it was only created to last

[2:58:30] till 20 or 2037 and then during COVID

[2:58:34] state law allowed us to expand it give

[2:58:36] an additional two years. So it'll expire

[2:58:39] in 2039. So yeah, they all have a

[2:58:41] project area plan and budget that

[2:58:43] expires you typically 20 to 25 years.

[2:58:47] >> Those time limits were imposed by the

[2:58:49] state.

[2:58:49] >> Yep.

[2:58:50] >> Yeah.

[2:58:51] >> And in order to I mean they expire when

[2:58:53] they expired by date.

[2:58:55] >> [clears throat]

[2:58:55] >> But in order to close them, all the

[2:58:57] debts and everything has to be paid off.

[2:59:00] >> And then once that's done,

[2:59:03] >> you close them.

[2:59:03] >> Just approved was cashing it all out.

[2:59:06] And so we had even though the time had

[2:59:08] expired on these three RDAs, we still

[2:59:10] had some remaining money in there that

[2:59:12] we were using for some things. And so

[2:59:14] you've just approved. They're all now a

[2:59:16] zero balance. Am I remembering correctly

[2:59:20] that we used some funds

[2:59:22] with the Kia um dealership?

[2:59:25] >> Did we do it with Hyundai as well or was

[2:59:27] it just Kia?

[2:59:28] >> I think we did.

[2:59:29] >> Hyundai um

[2:59:32] >> could have used RDA funds, but we did

[2:59:34] have an incentive package with Hyundai

[2:59:36] and we exchanged some property. we used

[2:59:38] to have where part of their parking lot

[2:59:41] uh is currently it used to be just an

[2:59:43] open detention basin and so we

[2:59:45] transferred that property to them and

[2:59:47] allowed them to bury that detention

[2:59:49] system and so they have a subsurface

[2:59:52] detention basin under their parking lot

[2:59:54] so we we traded some land as part of the

[2:59:57] incentive to get them here

[2:59:59] >> and that was I don't know I don't

[3:00:02] believe there was any direct RDA

[3:00:04] reimbursement but they did have a sales

[3:00:06] tax performanc

[3:00:08] plan [clears throat] similar to what KIA

[3:00:09] is doing. So if they hit certain

[3:00:11] benchmarks, we would pay them back a

[3:00:13] certain amount.

[3:00:15] >> And KIA is knocking it out of the park.

[3:00:16] They that was set up as a five-year RDA

[3:00:20] and they're going to we're going to be

[3:00:22] closing that out in three and a half or

[3:00:24] within

[3:00:27] ahead of schedule.

[3:00:28] >> Yes. Three and a half years instead of

[3:00:30] five.

[3:00:30] >> And the KIA plan is is that owned

[3:00:34] property. That is the only property. So

[3:00:36] it's just their land and that was the CR

[3:00:41] >> under the umbrella of the RDA. Okay. So

[3:00:46] >> which has nothing to do with the PTA

[3:00:48] does not. [laughter] But you have some

[3:00:50] PTA stuff in front of you here tonight.

[3:00:52] >> Yeah. About about 10 years ago they came

[3:00:54] out every few years like last this last

[3:00:57] legislative session they changed it

[3:00:58] again you know and 10 years ago they

[3:01:01] created EDAs, CDAs and CRAAS and you

[3:01:04] know it was

[3:01:05] >> crazy. Yeah.

[3:01:07] >> Well, needless to say, great decision-

[3:01:09] making by our forefathers

[3:01:11] here in the city. It's been great. You

[3:01:14] know what I mean? They served their

[3:01:15] purpose and and here we are. And, you

[3:01:18] know, would be remiss not to recognize

[3:01:21] those who put them into place back in

[3:01:22] the 80s or so. I'm I'm ready to make a

[3:01:25] motion. Um, I move to approve resolution

[3:01:28] 2026-3-

[3:01:30] RDA. Um, also 2026-4- RDA and 2026-5-

[3:01:36] RDA as presented.

[3:01:38] >> Second.

[3:01:39] >> You have a motion by Councilman Hoy,

[3:01:40] second by Councilman Jacobs. All in

[3:01:44] favor?

[3:01:45] >> I.

[3:01:47] >> Any opposed? All right, that is

[3:01:48] unanimous.

[3:01:50] >> Easier to approve this when you look at

[3:01:52] the figures of Mike and Brian there.

[3:01:54] [laughter]

[3:01:54] It just gives you confidence.

[3:01:57] All right, I take a motion to adjurnn

[3:01:59] and reconvene. [laughter]

[3:02:02] I

[3:02:02] >> like that we blew up the RDAs in the

[3:02:04] that picture there.

[3:02:06] >> I think

[3:02:08] move to adjourn the RDA meeting and

[3:02:10] reconvene the city council meeting.

[3:02:13] >> Second.

[3:02:14] >> Okay. Motion by Councilman Broadick,

[3:02:15] second by Cal Councilman Jacobs. All in

[3:02:18] favor? I

[3:02:20] >> I'd like to take just a five minute

[3:02:22] break here so we can all stand up for a

[3:02:25] minute. It's been

[3:02:27] three hours.

[3:02:29] >> Okay.

[3:02:31] [clears throat]

[3:02:32] >> And those pictures just made all of us

[3:02:35] smile. You guys all have a good sense of

[3:02:37] humor. So

[3:02:47] » I think the key word

[3:02:55] » lawyer

[3:03:07] Sorry to abandon it.

[3:03:18] » Mountain.

[3:03:19] >> Did you see theirs?

[3:03:20] >> Yeah, I did. They got it on their face.

[3:03:22] >> It's like a cartoon. So,

[3:03:24] >> yeah. Totally made you look like a city

[3:03:26] planner, man. Check that out.

[3:03:36] » Ashley, sorry you got to be here so

[3:03:38] late.

[3:03:38] >> I you know, it was fun listening to it.

[3:03:44] » We got a couple more things to do here

[3:03:46] before we get to you. So,

[3:03:48] >> I will silently work.

[3:03:49] >> All right.

[3:04:00] » [laughter]

[3:04:04] » Either way,

[3:04:07] » I think I think

[3:04:18] Mr.

[3:04:34] We never we were like not on the

[3:04:37] doorstep.

[3:04:39] >> That is a very common thing because you

[3:04:41] get tax break if you if your property is sold or donated under threat of

[3:04:47] domain. You get the a huge tax break.

[3:04:50] And so we do that all the time. When we

[3:04:52] purchase property, we send out a letter

[3:04:54] that says, "Hey, this is taken under the

[3:04:56] threat of imminent domain to help those

[3:04:58] property owners."

[3:04:59] >> That wasn't sales tax.

[3:05:02] And a lot of those we haven't

[3:05:08] So, it's something we could just

[3:05:30] Sorry.

[3:05:44] » Is YouTube still running? I haven't

[3:05:49] >> says it is. Am

[3:05:52] I in the Am I in the Empire or am I

[3:05:56] good?

[3:05:56] >> No, you're a good guy. That's a That's

[3:05:58] the

[3:05:59] >> This is the rebels. The rebels need

[3:06:02] >> Yeah.

[3:06:05] » I thought I died.

[3:06:09] [laughter]

[3:06:22] going down into

[3:06:31] Almost there. Almost there.

[3:06:39] [snorts]

[3:06:47] » Maybe that.

[3:06:49] >> Is that something you think I ought to

[3:06:51] see?

[3:06:53] >> That was nice.

[3:06:55] >> Able to grab some dinner and still

[3:06:57] listen.

[3:07:21] star.

[3:07:22] >> Now we have to pass this ordinance.

[3:07:23] >> We are the death star.

[3:07:24] >> So violent because this was not

[3:07:26] >> violent.

[3:07:34] That makes us Darth Vader and all that.

[3:07:36] >> Yeah, we're

[3:07:40] » a large in stature guy that looks

[3:07:46] » Let's get back

[3:07:48] >> reconvene our meeting here. So we are

[3:07:52] >> back to

[3:07:57] » item 12.

[3:07:57] >> Item number 11.

[3:07:59] >> I do think we need to do 11 still.

[3:08:01] >> Oh yeah, that's right.

[3:08:02] >> Okay.

[3:08:02] >> Which is just the final

[3:08:03] >> the ordinance part. Yeah.

[3:08:05] >> Okay. So this is just a followup to what

[3:08:08] we were discussing in the RDA.

[3:08:10] >> The RDA within the CDA within the PTSA.

[3:08:14] [laughter]

[3:08:16] >> Go. Mayor go.

[3:08:17] >> All right. Whatever order that is. All

[3:08:18] right. Thank you. We'll let Mr. Cowey

[3:08:22] on this.

[3:08:23] >> Mike mentioned earlier, so as part of

[3:08:26] dissolving the RDA, those three that

[3:08:28] have expired, um those areas, uh you've

[3:08:32] adopted as the RDA the resolutions to

[3:08:35] dissolve those. And now, as part of the

[3:08:37] statute, it requires that the city has

[3:08:39] to then also pass an ordinance that

[3:08:42] dissolves the expired RDAs. So, this

[3:08:44] officially uh ends all of our contracts

[3:08:47] between the city and the RDA for

[3:08:49] services uh that it they were those

[3:08:52] entities were using um on their behalf.

[3:08:56] So,

[3:08:59] any questions on that?

[3:09:01] >> The next page is the ordinance.

[3:09:03] >> I'm going to push the death star button.

[3:09:06] [laughter]

[3:09:08] » So, I move to approve ordinance 2026-6-

[3:09:12] presented. I second.

[3:09:15] >> All right. Motion by Councilman Stewart,

[3:09:17] second by Councilman Jacobs. All in

[3:09:20] favor?

[3:09:21] >> I.

[3:09:22] >> Okay. Eyes have it. That is passed. Item

[3:09:26] number 12. This is a review and action.

[3:09:28] I like to invite our parks and

[3:09:31] recreation director,

[3:09:34] Mr. Heath Baitman.

[3:09:36] He's going to present to us all of our

[3:09:39] mini grant

[3:09:41] applications. and we will decide the

[3:09:43] awards.

[3:09:44] >> Yeah. What a great year. We had a lot of

[3:09:46] people apply. I think except for the

[3:09:49] last year, maybe have we done it for

[3:09:52] two, you allowed more than the $15,000

[3:09:55] in award because we had people, but at

[3:09:57] that time we were able to award

[3:09:59] everybody everything at the 17 or

[3:10:02] $18,000 where we were, but we had some new groups come out of the

[3:10:06] woodwork. Uh remember I I included this

[3:10:10] in that box in your in your report. The

[3:10:12] qualifying organizations requesting

[3:10:13] funds must be a nonprofit with their

[3:10:16] 5013C status. They must uh have or

[3:10:20] commit to have a significant presence in

[3:10:22] Lynden and they must have performances,

[3:10:24] events, and activities inside of Lynen

[3:10:26] City for the benefit of Lind City

[3:10:27] residents. So what I did, just so you

[3:10:31] know, I took these

[3:10:33] applications and I reviewed them. I

[3:10:36] think they all pretty much because of

[3:10:38] their plan of what they'd like to do,

[3:10:39] they fit that category of doing

[3:10:41] something in Lynen for Lynen. Uh some of

[3:10:44] the asks were were quite big. Um and

[3:10:48] then we've got a situation like Lynen

[3:10:51] Elementary who has been awarded year

[3:10:54] after year after year after year. So

[3:10:56] they have their arts program is is

[3:10:58] really amazing. So, um, from those seven

[3:11:01] applications, are there any questions

[3:11:03] about any of them that you might have?

[3:11:07] So, when they request, for example,

[3:11:09] Lyndon requested 8856

[3:11:12] >> and they specified three specific areas.

[3:11:16] Um, if we were to pass it at the

[3:11:18] recommended amount, 5256, are they

[3:11:21] required to put it in those three areas?

[3:11:24] Are they required anywhere specific or

[3:11:26] we're just saying here you go?

[3:11:27] >> No. do what you want.

[3:11:29] >> They will be required to turn in their

[3:11:31] after season summary report on those

[3:11:34] events that you guys decided that y'all

[3:11:37] decided was was where they're they want

[3:11:39] to focus this this donation to. So, and

[3:11:42] I checked with those ones um except for

[3:11:47] the Nashville lady. Uh she didn't call

[3:11:50] me back, but the I checked with the

[3:11:52] others. What do you want most and what

[3:11:54] would fit for you best? Like Lynon

[3:11:55] Elementary is a good example. They would love to have a mic set but would much rather have the scripts.

[3:12:02] So this their ask is for really we

[3:12:04] decided that if I made a recommendation

[3:12:06] it would be for the kiln and for the

[3:12:08] scripts and not the mic set but I put in

[3:12:10] there what they actually did request. So

[3:12:12] you know

[3:12:13] >> one of the things too for council um

[3:12:16] Steve and I have reviewed these over the

[3:12:17] years and in the application it says if

[3:12:20] you are not awarded the full amount can

[3:12:22] you still carry off um what you're

[3:12:25] trying to do? And so some of them say if

[3:12:27] I don't get the full amount, no, I don't

[3:12:30] have additional means or funds to do

[3:12:32] this. So that's something that

[3:12:34] >> and all all those mayors, all all the

[3:12:36] ones that we talked to this time agreed

[3:12:37] that they would make it work with a

[3:12:39] parter portion that we recommended. Six

[3:12:41] and seven were both ones that looked

[3:12:43] that they significantly less than what

[3:12:46] they were requesting

[3:12:47] >> and five five requested 8,000 although

[3:12:51] last year uh it was a little bit less

[3:12:53] than that. But they're going to have to

[3:12:55] come up with money now just for the

[3:12:56] building rental because remember that

[3:12:59] garden pipe band. It really was about

[3:13:02] the $6,000 level [clears throat] that

[3:13:04] paid for all of their reservation fees

[3:13:06] which all they do is I award them the

[3:13:08] check and they pay it back to the city.

[3:13:10] >> Yeah, that's

[3:13:12] >> and it's been nice for them and they

[3:13:13] have been great tenants and have done

[3:13:16] some amazing things. So I I some of the

[3:13:20] smaller grant requests um like the

[3:13:23] United Angels Foundation, they do those

[3:13:25] special needs classes in our building.

[3:13:27] That's another one that building is a a

[3:13:29] great portion of the amount that that

[3:13:31] we're allowing them for the rental. Uh

[3:13:34] the Shantanet Lady Choir really uh would

[3:13:38] really like to use the Vets Hall for

[3:13:40] their opening and closing social, but

[3:13:42] they sing in the spring

[3:13:46] >> gardens And they they they make

[3:13:48] available their free concerts to anybody

[3:13:52] at any time. And they've got a lot of

[3:13:54] Lynden ladies that participate in that

[3:13:55] large group as well. And I think one of

[3:13:58] the things that's important to note is

[3:13:59] um some of these like Heath is

[3:14:01] mentioning, it's not really outofpocket

[3:14:04] cash for the city. Sometimes these turn

[3:14:06] into pretty significant partnerships in

[3:14:09] a way because they're providing

[3:14:12] activities or classes or different

[3:14:15] things for people in the community to

[3:14:17] enjoy. It's almost like an extension of

[3:14:19] our recreation programs. Is that fair to

[3:14:22] say? So I think it fits

[3:14:24] >> the money is kind of a wash because it's

[3:14:26] in kind for use of

[3:14:29] >> and often when the building is empty,

[3:14:31] not necessarily on Thursday nights when

[3:14:33] the garden, but I get requests for

[3:14:35] Thursday nights. Uh and it's they're

[3:14:38] kind of in there, but we're not losing

[3:14:40] any revenue because other times are

[3:14:41] available. If if maybe I could ask maybe

[3:14:44] we could just look at number six,

[3:14:46] Nashville and the Rockies. um they want

[3:14:49] to have a large concert in this area in

[3:14:52] this venue and uh I had a hard time uh

[3:14:57] figuring with the other asks that we

[3:14:59] would pay for travel uh you know and pay

[3:15:02] for uh hotels for Nashville artists when

[3:15:06] there's some pretty good talent around

[3:15:08] here and and I understand that they want

[3:15:09] to make it uh big but that's that's why

[3:15:12] that one was was cut down to just maybe

[3:15:14] a venue rental for them if they wanted

[3:15:17] Yeah.

[3:15:17] >> Is that in Lynen?

[3:15:18] >> They wanted to do it in Lynon.

[3:15:20] >> What venue?

[3:15:22] >> They had didn't specify really.

[3:15:24] >> Is there a way for us to make sure we

[3:15:26] don't give them $2,000 and they go play

[3:15:28] in Oram or

[3:15:30] >> Yeah, that'll be specified that it has

[3:15:32] to be here and then they're not eligible

[3:15:34] again if they don't turn in their

[3:15:35] year-end report.

[3:15:37] >> Okay.

[3:15:37] >> They aren't eligible for the next year.

[3:15:40] >> Sorry. Go ahead.

[3:15:41] >> No.

[3:15:42] >> Are you finished on that?

[3:15:43] >> I was just going to move on to number

[3:15:44] seven.

[3:15:45] >> That was what I wanted to ask. Go ahead.

[3:15:46] Tell us about that.

[3:15:47] >> The Unity Unity Gospel Choir uh

[3:15:50] approached the mayor and I just recently

[3:15:52] and just barely got their application in

[3:15:54] on time because they they'd heard about

[3:15:56] this and I'm not so sure

[3:15:58] >> I can kind of share.

[3:15:59] >> Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead.

[3:16:01] >> Bonner, the the really well-known Bonner

[3:16:04] family. So, Yahoo sang at one of our

[3:16:07] Christmas events a couple years ago. And

[3:16:10] you know, the Bonner family um

[3:16:11] African-American family, super talented

[3:16:14] musically. He and his brother are on

[3:16:16] stage in once on [clears throat] this

[3:16:17] island at the Hail or at the

[3:16:19] >> Yeah.

[3:16:19] >> roof. So they perform professionally.

[3:16:22] They do a lot of videos. They're pretty

[3:16:24] high-profile. But Deborah is the mother

[3:16:26] of the clan and she has an really

[3:16:29] amazing program of gospel choir music.

[3:16:33] It's it's not just religious, but it's

[3:16:35] just all uplifting music. So they've

[3:16:37] been rehearsing in Trordia here in

[3:16:39] London. They've been like a corporate

[3:16:42] sponsor just allowing them to use their

[3:16:44] space and uh they recently had a

[3:16:47] performance. Um it's a free choir for

[3:16:51] people to join and they had a gayla

[3:16:54] fundraiser they invited me to and the

[3:16:57] stories of how they really do transform

[3:17:00] lives. It's it's really quite remarkable

[3:17:03] um people getting involved in this and

[3:17:06] um they said we want to partner with

[3:17:09] Lynen City. are already in Lynden. We

[3:17:11] want to now start a children's

[3:17:14] um choir initiative. This other one has

[3:17:17] been adult. So they would want we want

[3:17:20] they said that we want to be an arm of

[3:17:23] Lynen City Recreation

[3:17:25] um where we provide this children's

[3:17:27] choir. Um and so again I think a lot of

[3:17:31] the funding here is for use of space. So

[3:17:35] they came and met with Heath and I. We

[3:17:38] showed them the vet hall and they have

[3:17:40] big plans like if it could start out

[3:17:42] once a week. Kids could come to the

[3:17:44] choir and then they would have um

[3:17:46] profession they have a professional

[3:17:48] pianist, jazz pianist. He's pretty

[3:17:50] amazing. He lives in Vegas. They fly him

[3:17:53] up or he travels up every Thursday for

[3:17:57] their things they're doing with the

[3:18:00] adult groups. And so they would have him

[3:18:03] also stick around to work with the

[3:18:05] youth. and he can take I mean he's just

[3:18:08] incredible. And then they talked about

[3:18:09] they have other professional people who

[3:18:11] had potentially they could start um

[3:18:14] professional uh acting drama. They had a

[3:18:18] whole bunch of ideas of how it could

[3:18:20] potentially expand. So

[3:18:22] >> this uh mayor, as I recall going over

[3:18:24] their grant, this grant request is not

[3:18:26] for that children's choir. It's for

[3:18:29] their choir. And so because we were so

[3:18:31] jammed with time, they didn't know what

[3:18:34] they should ask for and it wasn't put

[3:18:36] together yet. So that might need to be

[3:18:38] clarified if because they want to start

[3:18:41] the children's choir as a partnership.

[3:18:43] But this request was for their regular

[3:18:45] choir.

[3:18:45] >> Okay.

[3:18:46] >> To fly their their people in and and

[3:18:49] hire their professional.

[3:18:51] >> But I think the goal was that they would

[3:18:54] do the adult and children's in

[3:18:56] conjunction.

[3:18:58] they've pretty much announced

[3:19:00] publicly

[3:19:02] starting the youth

[3:19:05] um version of of what their initiative

[3:19:08] their mission.

[3:19:10] >> Yeah. So, as the grant was written,

[3:19:11] we'll have to split hairs if we want to

[3:19:13] on that because they just wanted it for

[3:19:14] their regular choir, not the children's

[3:19:17] choir. But, and they're pretty specific.

[3:19:19] You can look, you can prove that if you

[3:19:20] want and see what you think.

[3:19:23] Uh so that fits pretty well. So what I

[3:19:27] did at the end, you can see that I took

[3:19:29] that those tables and just kind of

[3:19:31] looked at it a couple of different ways.

[3:19:34] Uh way number one is if we go with at

[3:19:38] all organizers benefit, all

[3:19:39] organizations benefit a little and

[3:19:42] everybody gets a chunk of the pie. uh

[3:19:44] you have the ability of course to to

[3:19:46] decide that those that are for the best

[3:19:51] interests of the Lynon to fund

[3:19:52] completely which would be kind of the

[3:19:54] table number two uh and and that's not

[3:19:57] the order that they were received that

[3:19:59] was the order in which I could foresee

[3:20:02] that being a immediate benefit to the

[3:20:06] schools and to the art programs. This is

[3:20:08] the first time in a long time Rocky

[3:20:09] Mountain El Elementary Elementary has

[3:20:11] applied and they want to do a show and

[3:20:14] they wanted mic packs and a and a script

[3:20:18] set as well. Uh or u you could do it. I

[3:20:22] just I just figured that we could do it

[3:20:26] those couple ways or we can award

[3:20:28] whatever we want. But there was a

[3:20:29] $38,000 $686 ask this year.

[3:20:34] So, whatever you'd like to do there, if

[3:20:36] there's questions,

[3:20:38] >> the total amount available,

[3:20:40] >> it's 15,000 budgeted. So, they're over

[3:20:43] >> So, all of this is over budget. Okay.

[3:20:46] >> But I took that because of the last two

[3:20:48] years in in option number one. I took

[3:20:50] that and got it close to what you've

[3:20:51] approved in the last year or two, which

[3:20:54] is 18. No, that's going to be 19. I

[3:20:57] think it was 18,000 last year that you

[3:21:00] approved and everybody got what they

[3:21:02] wanted,

[3:21:03] >> right? Um,

[3:21:04] >> with the [clears throat]

[3:21:07] band, the pipe band, they've itemized

[3:21:10] the space rental, but with the unity

[3:21:15] gospel choir and the angels, it's just

[3:21:20] in kind.

[3:21:23] » Um, so I I don't know if it makes sense

[3:21:26] to take off the 7,000 ask or if it makes

[3:21:31] sense to add in

[3:21:33] the actual amount they would need to

[3:21:35] rent our facilities. I know it's just

[3:21:37] changing purses,

[3:21:39] >> right?

[3:21:39] >> But that so anyway,

[3:21:43] >> I'm fine with either of those solutions

[3:21:45] um

[3:21:47] because I'm guessing the band the pipe

[3:21:50] band if that if we told them we'll we'll

[3:21:53] just

[3:21:54] >> anyway

[3:21:55] >> make you a partner rather than exchange.

[3:21:57] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[3:21:58] >> Similar to the other

[3:21:59] >> it looks it looks easy. It looks good

[3:22:01] this way on on paper when I have them

[3:22:03] apply cuz then we know exactly.

[3:22:04] >> But is it determined that they are going

[3:22:06] to use our I don't know it's determined

[3:22:08] that they're going to use our space

[3:22:09] though.

[3:22:10] >> The pipe band does.

[3:22:11] >> The pipe band is but the other two

[3:22:13] aren't.

[3:22:14] >> Yeah, when it says in kind

[3:22:17] >> is that is that the the choir

[3:22:18] >> space provided in kind?

[3:22:20] >> This this

[3:22:21] >> Wait, that's a good point. Maybe we're

[3:22:22] not the ones who are the inind.

[3:22:25] >> Yeah, like on seven space provided in

[3:22:27] kind. What what does that mean

[3:22:29] >> for the unity choir? They want to they

[3:22:31] want to use our space. But I I I tell

[3:22:34] you, [clears throat] I don't know. This

[3:22:35] was like within a week before the

[3:22:36] deadline that we made our first contact.

[3:22:38] So, I think they just jammed something

[3:22:40] together to get in the conversation. I

[3:22:42] don't even I'm not even sure they

[3:22:44] realize what it costs to rent a full

[3:22:46] rental. So, that in kind, they just want

[3:22:48] to take the portion that they didn't

[3:22:51] specify and they really didn't do a very

[3:22:54] good job specifying.

[3:22:55] >> Yeah.

[3:22:56] um that they would just make it work at

[3:22:59] their ask. Their biggest desire is to

[3:23:02] bring in this jazz musician and anybody

[3:23:05] else they contract and hire to bring in

[3:23:07] to help this help the choir and the kids

[3:23:10] choir.

[3:23:11] >> The choir would be weekly. This

[3:23:14] Nashville thing is kind of a one-off

[3:23:15] event.

[3:23:16] >> Deborah asked for it. She'd take it

[3:23:19] daily. I mean, she was

[3:23:20] >> Deborah said she would expand daily if

[3:23:22] she could

[3:23:23] >> if she could if she could do it. Um,

[3:23:25] >> that's what I'm just I mean in my mind

[3:23:27] kind of the oneoff event is a less

[3:23:30] impactful I

[3:23:31] >> agree

[3:23:31] >> than a program that is ongoing

[3:23:35] >> and local.

[3:23:38] >> Yeah, the Nashville one didn't really

[3:23:40] speak to me for those reasons.

[3:23:42] >> Yeah, I would.

[3:23:43] >> And our our concert series

[3:23:46] >> also provides that

[3:23:54] If you take out Nashville and go with

[3:23:57] the recommendation

[3:23:59] amounts [clears throat] that you put,

[3:24:00] it's 16921.

[3:24:02] >> And is that with the 7,000 bag pipe?

[3:24:08] >> Not not really. I think just looking at

[3:24:10] the numbers even though it's in the same

[3:24:11] purse.

[3:24:12] >> Yeah. Yeah. Because then it's even

[3:24:15] less in that way. So, the bag of pipers

[3:24:18] perform at our memorial program and

[3:24:20] they're in our parade. [clears throat]

[3:24:22] Um,

[3:24:24] and if they don't get the full eight,

[3:24:26] they have to now somehow pay a lease.

[3:24:31] >> Yeah, I did their math. Uh, I did their

[3:24:33] math and I'm sorry I didn't write it

[3:24:34] down, but I think for all the building

[3:24:37] dates they wanted, it would just be over

[3:24:39] 6,000. I think that's what they had last

[3:24:41] year. So I called them and talked to

[3:24:43] Clary who's who turned in the

[3:24:45] application and she said, "Boy, this is

[3:24:47] so nice. We'll do whatever we have to

[3:24:49] do. You know, if it's a little bit less,

[3:24:50] then then we'll make it work." I don't

[3:24:52] know if they offer dues. I do know that

[3:24:54] they offer lessons to Lynon residents at

[3:24:58] no cost and that's also not bag pipes,

[3:25:01] that's drums. They do a big drumming

[3:25:03] section. So I I like what they offer.

[3:25:06] >> Yeah, we have a good track record with

[3:25:08] them.

[3:25:13] I would be inclined. Yeah, I think five

[3:25:15] might be too low. I think it might be

[3:25:18] nice to continue to at least give them a

[3:25:20] wash on their cost to use the space and

[3:25:23] open it up for everyone to attend for

[3:25:26] free. Continue that.

[3:25:29] [snorts]

[3:25:32] » I better get some notes up here.

[3:25:39] Yeah, I I love this program. I'm very

[3:25:41] comfortable with your recommendations

[3:25:42] and and you administering this program.

[3:25:45] You know, I'll bring up that we're able

[3:25:48] to do this cool program because of the

[3:25:50] park tax. And I don't think there's

[3:25:53] anyone who markets the park tax better

[3:25:57] than Lynen Elementary.

[3:25:59] >> I'm serious. I mean, there are signs

[3:26:01] everywhere. They announce it over the

[3:26:03] microphones. Hey, your children are

[3:26:05] about to perform and it's because of the

[3:26:07] park tax that we have these instruments

[3:26:09] and and so I'm biased towards Lyndon

[3:26:12] Elementary, but I appreciate the

[3:26:14] partnership that they're,

[3:26:16] you know, and so I I'm comfortable. I'm

[3:26:21] >> Well, Lynon Elementary, I mean, the

[3:26:23] request is 8856.

[3:26:26] Um, so did they indicate?

[3:26:30] >> Yeah, he just took out the microphone

[3:26:31] packs and sound equipment.

[3:26:33] >> Okay. So the pottery kiln is more of a

[3:26:36] priority to them.

[3:26:37] >> It is at this point.

[3:26:38] >> Yeah.

[3:26:39] >> And the script because they can rent

[3:26:41] mics. Although

[3:26:43] >> what she what she'd like to do is start

[3:26:45] that that whole another section of arts

[3:26:48] over there. And like you were saying,

[3:26:50] Jake, they they always ask me for

[3:26:52] stickers. Every one of those ukuleles

[3:26:54] has a sticker on it that says park tax.

[3:26:56] And the banners, they ask me for banners

[3:26:58] every year. So um yeah, they said we can

[3:27:01] do without the mics. We'd love to have

[3:27:02] them. We know it's a big ask, but we'd

[3:27:05] really like to do a musical and and get

[3:27:07] a and they've got district approval for

[3:27:09] electrical where they're going to put

[3:27:10] the kiln and things like that. At least

[3:27:14] for this year.

[3:27:16] >> Well, and I I like that you're taking a

[3:27:18] good look at this. When people hear free

[3:27:19] money, they Well, I'll ask for 8,000.

[3:27:22] You know what I mean? And and so I think

[3:27:23] you're handling this the right way.

[3:27:25] However you want to split it, I'm I'm

[3:27:28] comfortable where anyone wants to end up

[3:27:30] here. [laughter]

[3:27:32] budgeted 15,000 and this is all the way

[3:27:36] down to 18. Does that [clears throat]

[3:27:39] >> I think I'm comfortable with that. I I

[3:27:40] you look at the park tax and what it's

[3:27:42] produced in years past. We've never once

[3:27:45] under estimated what it will produce. It

[3:27:48] always produces more um than our

[3:27:51] projections uh 12 years running. And so

[3:27:54] I'm

[3:27:56] confident we will do that again this

[3:27:57] year. And there'll be an additional

[3:28:00] 3,000 to use specifically to parks and wreck

[3:28:05] and and I just think this is such a

[3:28:08] great program. I think of all the other

[3:28:10] things we could use it on and and this

[3:28:13] unique partnership with community

[3:28:15] members is

[3:28:17] good as anything.

[3:28:20] >> And I appreciated the comments mayor you

[3:28:22] made in our meeting with the Tempanoga

[3:28:24] School District to bring this up and

[3:28:26] make sure that they understood that I

[3:28:28] don't think they were aware that this

[3:28:29] was occurring. Agreed.

[3:28:37] » Were you suggesting option one, Jake?

[3:28:39] >> Yeah, I'm comfortable with option one. I

[3:28:41] don't want to step on anyone's toes.

[3:28:43] >> One is giving the Nashville Rockies

[3:28:46] 2000.

[3:28:48] I I'm a little more skeptical about

[3:28:50] >> I I would Yeah, I'd approve that with

[3:28:53] the deletion of the Nashville

[3:28:55] >> and I would pro if

[3:28:57] >> getting that 2,000 toward Lynon

[3:28:59] Elementary.

[3:29:01] >> What if we split it with Valley Pipe

[3:29:03] Band needs a little bit more to cover

[3:29:05] their rental?

[3:29:06] >> I forgot that that was

[3:29:17] So, Garden Valley said they're to just

[3:29:20] have a wash on the space usage. They

[3:29:23] need about six.

[3:29:24] >> I think it's pretty close to that. Yeah.

[3:29:29] Of course, they would adjust their

[3:29:30] practices to whatever they get. You

[3:29:32] know, they just cut it off in summer

[3:29:34] early or a little bit later. They're they're great to work with. They

[3:29:38] take care of the building. They're just

[3:29:39] a good

[3:29:40] >> partner.

[3:29:43] What's the What's the balance on the

[3:29:45] park tax fund?

[3:29:48] >> So, we have a I mean, you have a

[3:29:50] significant fund balance, but we're earmarking it for things

[3:29:55] potentially in the future. And so,

[3:29:56] checking with Kristen, she felt like in

[3:29:58] that 19,000 range is is totally doable.

[3:30:02] Um I this would dramatically change

[3:30:05] things, but you have the ability. I

[3:30:07] mean, you could make this a $100,000. I

[3:30:09] mean, and but that's going to change how

[3:30:12] we're paying for some other things in

[3:30:14] the city. And so, but the 19 range, she

[3:30:17] was totally comfortable going more than

[3:30:19] the 15 that's budgeted

[3:30:21] >> because if we did the full ask of

[3:30:25] everyone except well the fir the full

[3:30:29] ask of our previous applicants um and

[3:30:34] then didn't charge the pipe and their

[3:30:37] rent. So they only needed $1,000

[3:30:41] and then gave 2,200 to the gospel choir

[3:30:44] to pay for the professional and not

[3:30:47] include Nashville Rockies. That would

[3:30:49] put us at $18,000.

[3:30:52] >> And that begs the question, I know we

[3:30:53] had the policy of, hey, you got to pay a

[3:30:57] rental fee because we had some groups

[3:30:59] come and say, oh, we're we're going to

[3:31:00] do all this for the city. And then

[3:31:01] sometimes it didn't really materialize.

[3:31:03] So we said, "Okay, we need to have a

[3:31:04] policy. There's a room rental

[3:31:07] >> and it's a washroom.

[3:31:08] >> Sweetheart deals we got rid of."

[3:31:10] >> But but at the same time, the discussion

[3:31:12] you and I had with Unity Gospel Choir,

[3:31:14] and you mentioned, Heath, that maybe

[3:31:16] it's time with the Garden Valley pipe

[3:31:20] band, they've proven their return on

[3:31:23] investment, their value in the

[3:31:24] community, and we do just pull them in

[3:31:27] and say this is an extension almost of

[3:31:30] parks and wreck in a way. I I mean is

[3:31:33] that

[3:31:34] >> it's kind of interesting. We just don't

[3:31:36] charge them a rental. I don't I just

[3:31:37] don't think we can be

[3:31:39] >> subjective. It's really hard for us to

[3:31:41] do that though without a contract or

[3:31:44] something that you guys are approving

[3:31:45] for us to just say we're going to wave

[3:31:46] this group's fee but not that group's

[3:31:48] fee

[3:31:49] >> because then the other two we need well

[3:31:50] they would have to come up with money to

[3:31:52] rent and maybe they can

[3:31:55] >> but there's just two applicants that

[3:31:57] have seemed to suggest that part of

[3:32:00] their grant would be an inind donation

[3:32:02] of building space.

[3:32:04] >> So we would just need to tell them they

[3:32:07] have to price that out.

[3:32:12] And I think

[3:32:13] >> the Shantanets are they're $1,500 if

[3:32:16] that was the Veterans Hall.

[3:32:19] >> Their their actual cost for the Veterans

[3:32:21] Hall is the recommendation that I know.

[3:32:23] >> Okay. So then we only have one that's

[3:32:24] >> Yeah.

[3:32:25] >> But I think what the Unity Gospel Choir

[3:32:27] was saying is

[3:32:28] >> United Angels as well.

[3:32:29] >> They they would like to be just an arm

[3:32:32] of parks and wreck is goal

[3:32:34] >> or an arts council,

[3:32:36] >> right? I mean I I don't know how well

[3:32:38] [clears throat] that fits just in our

[3:32:39] other programs. We

[3:32:41] >> you know the football flag or not flag

[3:32:43] football tackle football is an extension

[3:32:45] of us but we do nothing with that but

[3:32:47] give them ground

[3:32:49] >> because the kids that they play so we

[3:32:50] don't take their funds or do their any

[3:32:54] fundraising for them. It's just that

[3:32:56] that's a part of that we don't offer

[3:32:58] that fits our Lynon kids. So they we

[3:33:00] have a partnership with them

[3:33:01] >> and it's advertised as a Lynen parks and

[3:33:03] wreck

[3:33:04] >> but that's about it on those programs.

[3:33:06] So if we want the unity choir to come in

[3:33:09] you know do we change that to the Lynen

[3:33:12] Unity. How does Deborah feel about that?

[3:33:15] >> I mean she she'll lose some aminity or

[3:33:18] not aminity that's the wrong word some

[3:33:20] recognition on that and some

[3:33:22] independence to be honest with you

[3:33:25] >> because she'll come under our umbrella

[3:33:26] and we'll do as we think we need to do.

[3:33:29] I think her I mean she's wanting this to

[3:33:32] be duplicated in other mark cities

[3:33:34] potentially further away from London

[3:33:37] than just next door. But,

[3:33:38] >> you know, mayor, there was another

[3:33:40] thought, too. A couple of times De

[3:33:42] Deborah said on the phone or the other

[3:33:44] Gholly anyway, she said,

[3:33:46] >> "This fits so well with communities that

[3:33:49] care because the children's choir is

[3:33:51] made to to stop sadness and depression

[3:33:55] and and they they reviewed our stuff we

[3:33:58] have online." She says, "Wow, this fits

[3:34:00] really good." I have not checked with

[3:34:02] Jamie to see if she could put a program

[3:34:05] like this in her grant and extend the

[3:34:07] reach of non-smoking and the non-smoking

[3:34:09] grant and that might be able to fund a

[3:34:11] program in a different way. Uh it is

[3:34:14] certainly park tax eligible with park

[3:34:17] tax money. Um but I and I think they

[3:34:21] would be just excited to have a good

[3:34:23] place to practice.

[3:34:25] Um, but the kids choir becoming a Lynen

[3:34:29] City kids choir, that's what it would

[3:34:30] amount to.

[3:34:33] >> Just as an FYI, um, so two years ago you

[3:34:37] approved 15,000

[3:34:39] a year, sorry, three years ago, 15,000.

[3:34:41] A year ago, two, sorry, three years,

[3:34:45] 15,000. Two years, 6,000. This last

[3:34:48] year, you're at 194. And this year, you

[3:34:51] approved 15.

[3:35:02] All right, council. Let's hammer this

[3:35:03] out and get going. What What are you

[3:35:05] thinking here? We're looking at option

[3:35:08] one, but making a couple tweaks. Is that

[3:35:12] what we're thinking here? Okay. So, are

[3:35:14] we all unanimous that we're not

[3:35:17] particularly interested in the Nashville

[3:35:18] and the Rockies?

[3:35:19] >> Correct. Yes.

[3:35:20] >> Okay. Strike [clears throat] that.

[3:35:23] >> [snorts]

[3:35:23] >> Um

[3:35:25] and then the uh garden val so we're

[3:35:29] saying take that two. So how are we

[3:35:31] right now that total for recommendation

[3:35:34] one option one is 18,921.

[3:35:37] Is that a budget amount you feel good

[3:35:40] about appropriating this time or more or

[3:35:43] less or is that something you're happy

[3:35:45] with?

[3:35:45] >> That's right. I'm good. a couple nods

[3:35:49] >> and I could do

[3:35:50] >> and maybe the 2000 just put directly to

[3:35:52] the pipe band because Lyndon Elementary

[3:35:54] has already said they'd, you know,

[3:35:56] accept the mics instead of the mics.

[3:35:59] >> Another thought about that is Rocky

[3:36:00] Mountain the [clears throat] first time

[3:36:01] a player. I cut $1,100 off of their

[3:36:05] request and it was all show it was

[3:36:07] another set of mic packs. So, I mean

[3:36:10] they've they're not like Rocky Mountain

[3:36:12] where they've had year after year after year.

[3:36:16] you know, if if if there's a little

[3:36:18] extra money, it might be a good thought

[3:36:19] to help Rocky Mountain, but I I'm happy

[3:36:23] to help the pipe band and and Lynen

[3:36:27] Elementary get their stuff.

[3:36:31] It's used so well and so visual.

[3:36:39] So, if we went with number one with

[3:36:43] Lynen Elementary getting 5,256,

[3:36:47] Rocky Mountain getting its full 3150.

[3:36:51] United Angels, they're at 1380, but they

[3:36:54] also have the undis undescribed inind

[3:36:58] facility usage.

[3:37:01] the Shantinets if they got the 1500, the

[3:37:04] 5,000, and the 2500 for the gospel

[3:37:08] choir, that's 18,786.

[3:37:11] So, Lyndon wouldn't get the mics,

[3:37:15] but and then the pipe band would have

[3:37:18] two 3,000 less than their full ask.

[3:37:23] » I second the motion.

[3:37:25] >> That's pretty I mean, it's close, but

[3:37:29] [laughter]

[3:37:31] I like it

[3:37:34] » because the mics is kind of a big deal.

[3:37:36] If you've been gone to these plays,

[3:37:37] which I have, you've been to the plays

[3:37:39] and you can't hear it. It's like

[3:37:41] >> kind of pointless a little bit. Not

[3:37:43] pointless, but it's so disheartening

[3:37:44] when the kids work so hard and they

[3:37:46] can't

[3:37:46] >> They said they would rent rather than

[3:37:48] own. Is that what you understand?

[3:37:49] >> But mics for Rocky Mountain or for

[3:37:50] Lynon?

[3:37:51] >> Well, both. I mean, we've taken out the

[3:37:53] mics from Lyndon,

[3:37:54] >> right? So I I would hesitate to give

[3:37:56] Rocky Mountain first time when Lyndon's

[3:37:58] been going and then they've requested

[3:38:00] mics and not give them to them.

[3:38:02] >> That's a good fair.

[3:38:03] >> Although Lyndon's gotten a lot more

[3:38:05] funding over the years a lot.

[3:38:07] >> Good point.

[3:38:12] » And even this ask is

[3:38:18] » unless you want to bump up the total,

[3:38:20] round it to 20. If you gave well to do

[3:38:22] the mics you'd need to round to 22 well

[3:38:25] 22,386

[3:38:27] if that was the only adjustment

[3:38:28] >> the full

[3:38:29] >> if you gave them the full

[3:38:33] and everyone the full except the gospel

[3:38:37] choir and then

[3:38:38] >> the shaets

[3:38:39] >> the the shaets would get their full ask

[3:38:43] and the because I guess that covers

[3:38:45] their rental so they're paying just like

[3:38:48] the bagpipe people are paying.

[3:38:51] And then the bag pipe theirs has been

[3:38:54] reduced by 3,000,

[3:38:56] but they need 6,000 to pay us.

[3:38:59] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[3:39:02] >> Changing purses like you were saying,

[3:39:04] >> right?

[3:39:08] » That arrangement 6,000 would make it 28

[3:39:13] 3,000

[3:39:14] >> 386.

[3:39:15] >> I mean, if we look at another way to

[3:39:17] look at it financially is which ones

[3:39:20] are onsite and so it's just a wash of

[3:39:23] exchanging

[3:39:24] >> Yeah.

[3:39:24] >> dollars on a page versus those that are

[3:39:27] offsite. It's actual a cash outlay.

[3:39:32] You know, I don't there's a hard cost

[3:39:34] versus a soft cost on some of these. I

[3:39:35] mean,

[3:39:35] >> which is kind of the way I looked at

[3:39:36] option three. If you wanted me to rank

[3:39:40] >> arbitrarily past and good usage,

[3:39:44] >> uh just uh did I say I meant funding for

[3:39:50] organizations closely related to Lynon

[3:39:51] too. Yeah.

[3:39:52] >> Okay.

[3:39:52] >> Where where we ran out of money at the

[3:39:54] $8,000 for that, but

[3:39:57] >> uh some of those others didn't get any

[3:39:59] part. And that was not all Lynon

[3:40:00] Elementary PTA ask. You you tell me

[3:40:04] where to fund them and I'll make sure

[3:40:05] they get them.

[3:40:06] >> You're awesome.

[3:40:13] » Did you feel comfortable with Lynen

[3:40:14] Elementary getting 52 56?

[3:40:21] and Rocky Mountain. They're full ask or

[3:40:23] just the 2,00

[3:40:32] » full ask and challenge them to be as

[3:40:34] communicative about how wonderful the

[3:40:35] park tax is.

[3:40:37] >> Yeah, there you go.

[3:40:37] >> Lynon Elementary

[3:40:39] [clears throat]

[3:40:43] » and the United Angels ask really it's

[3:40:47] most of that is in the building in kind.

[3:40:49] So they're not going to get very much

[3:40:52] out of that. So you okay with 1380

[3:40:55] >> for them.

[3:40:57] >> The Shantinets likewise

[3:41:00] >> 1500

[3:41:02] >> just a wash

[3:41:03] >> comes back to us

[3:41:05] >> and then the Garden Valley wanted to see

[3:41:07] if we can give them their whole ask.

[3:41:09] >> They were putting down that their

[3:41:11] building rental was seven but you on the

[3:41:13] application but you said you think it's

[3:41:15] six closer to Yeah, it's right around

[3:41:18] six. a little over six when I just

[3:41:21] looked up their dates for last year.

[3:41:24] So, unless they've got plans on doing

[3:41:26] more,

[3:41:30] » but they can make 5,000 work, they can

[3:41:32] make 6,000 work, they can make 7,000

[3:41:34] work

[3:41:37] » and they they've been a good

[3:41:40] >> Yeah.

[3:41:43] >> group to have.

[3:41:45] >> All right,

[3:41:45] >> we got to move forward. So, make a

[3:41:47] motion. How much on the pipe band?

[3:41:49] >> So they got 6,000 last year.

[3:41:51] >> So should I just think you should have

[3:41:54] >> maintain it? Yeah.

[3:41:54] >> If we're just getting all the money,

[3:41:56] >> they'll be happy.

[3:41:57] with that. And then we

[3:41:59] struck Nashville and then the United

[3:42:00] Gospel Choir.

[3:42:02] >> You okay with 25 to them?

[3:42:04] >> We could start with that.

[3:42:05] >> What's the new total? Have you

[3:42:07] >> 19,786?

[3:42:10] >> Yeah, that's what I got to.

[3:42:11] >> Okay. So we're just under 20. But hard

[3:42:14] cost is only about hard cost is

[3:42:17] >> a lot less.

[3:42:19] >> Yeah. Because they're paying back.

[3:42:20] >> There'll be a lot of happy organizations

[3:42:22] and very thankful.

[3:42:24] >> So,

[3:42:25] >> okay. I move

[3:42:28] [laughter]

[3:42:29] >> I don't know how to

[3:42:30] >> to approve what we just talked

[3:42:31] >> to approve

[3:42:33] the park tax committee grants as

[3:42:35] outlined.

[3:42:37] >> Maybe that numbered that 19

[3:42:39] >> comes to 19,786.

[3:42:43] distributed as

[3:42:44] >> distributed as instructed

[3:42:46] >> and I will second the motion.

[3:42:47] >> Okay.

[3:42:48] >> Motion by council member Hulie, second

[3:42:49] by council member Hoy. All in favor?

[3:42:51] >> I

[3:42:52] >> All right.

[3:42:53] >> Bye.

[3:42:54] >> Thanks Heath. [laughter]

[3:42:55] >> Thank you Heath.

[3:42:56] >> You bet.

[3:42:59] >> All right. We are now on item number 13.

[3:43:02] This is also review and action of our

[3:43:04] solid waste disposal contract with

[3:43:06] Republic Services.

[3:43:12] So we have Ashley Collie is here with

[3:43:15] us. She is represented from Republic

[3:43:17] Services. So thanks Ashley for coming.

[3:43:20] >> Thanks for hanging in there.

[3:43:22] >> And so [clears throat] let me close this

[3:43:24] here. This is just kind of summarizing

[3:43:27] uh the agreement that you have in place

[3:43:29] uh in front of you in your staff report.

[3:43:31] Um we've been contracted with Republic

[3:43:34] Services for a long time. It's probably

[3:43:37] been uh 20 years and so we had several

[3:43:42] opportunities to renew or extend an an

[3:43:45] existing contract. Uh this is an

[3:43:47] addendum to an existing contract that

[3:43:51] we've had in place. It's a three-year

[3:43:52] extension. And let me just kind of

[3:43:55] outline what's in in this proposal. Uh

[3:43:58] in the first year this coming fiscal

[3:44:00] year, there would be a 6% increase. Uh

[3:44:04] and we've

[3:44:05] uh discussed with you previously in a in

[3:44:08] a prior meeting to be able to handle

[3:44:10] that increase uh collectively with our

[3:44:13] garbage and recycling. We have a fund

[3:44:15] balance as a city. Um and that balance

[3:44:19] kind of es and flows as new accounts

[3:44:22] sign on or as people drop cans or

[3:44:24] things. And so, uh, it's built up a

[3:44:27] little bit and Kristen feels that we can

[3:44:29] absorb for garbage that full 6% increase

[3:44:32] this first fiscal year. For recycling,

[3:44:35] um, we would absorb 1% and then pass on

[3:44:39] a 5% increase to our customers. And so,

[3:44:41] just to the right there would be our

[3:44:44] current rate for garbage then, uh, for

[3:44:46] this proposed fiscal year would not

[3:44:48] change. And then the recycling would go

[3:44:50] up just that that little bit, uh, about

[3:44:52] 30 cents or so.

[3:44:55] um on the contract. Then on year two and

[3:44:58] three, um it creates a floor of a 2 and

[3:45:01] a.5% increase and a ceiling of a 6 and a

[3:45:05] half% increase. And these increases are

[3:45:08] based off of the consumer price index,

[3:45:10] the CPI. There's a specific garbage and

[3:45:13] trash listing out of hundreds of things

[3:45:15] that they index. Um just as a FYI, in

[3:45:19] some prior years, here's some of those

[3:45:21] rates. um January to January of this

[3:45:26] last 25 to 26 was about 5%. Um but

[3:45:31] February to February is what the

[3:45:32] contract says. Um and so you can see in

[3:45:35] one of those years it would have capped

[3:45:38] at that 6 and a half% ceiling. Um but

[3:45:41] traditionally we're hovering around that

[3:45:43] 5% increase every year.

[3:45:47] the floor. I realistically it probably

[3:45:51] won't go below that, but is that

[3:45:53] necessary to have in there?

[3:45:55] >> That was something that I I'll let

[3:45:57] Ashley dis discuss. Um

[3:45:59] >> because I prefer not to be in there

[3:46:01] personally.

[3:46:02] >> We But we tried to negotiate some

[3:46:05] different options there and that's what

[3:46:06] Republic felt I think uh to help keep up

[3:46:08] with inflationary costs, but I'll let

[3:46:10] Ashley speak to that. So,

[3:46:12] >> yes, please come forward.

[3:46:17] So, good evening. Thanks for having me.

[3:46:19] Thanks for being patient with me, uh,

[3:46:21] Madame Mayor and Council. Uh, so, first

[3:46:23] of all, wonderful to be here in London.

[3:46:26] My name's Ashley. Um, I previously

[3:46:28] worked with the city with Reese Deill,

[3:46:30] who was used to be a rep for the city.

[3:46:32] He left. I went to California with

[3:46:34] Republic. Now, I'm back. So, it's a

[3:46:36] pleasure to be here. Uh, so, first of

[3:46:38] all, we have a long-standing

[3:46:39] [clears throat]

[3:46:40] partnership with you. We really

[3:46:42] appreciate it. uh straightforwardly we

[3:46:44] really appreciate too your just uh

[3:46:46] geographical significance with the

[3:46:48] transfer station. It's very helpful to

[3:46:49] us. Um so looking at this contract we

[3:46:53] previously have been capped at a 4% um

[3:46:57] under this previous amendment that

[3:46:59] really hurt us. Um just transparently

[3:47:03] cost of service has gone up so much. Uh

[3:47:05] we've tied your annual price increase to

[3:47:09] the garbage and trash CPI, but again

[3:47:13] just honestly the cost of doing service

[3:47:15] for us is always going to be above 3%.

[3:47:17] So uh I got a hard bargain from Adam. We

[3:47:21] [laughter]

[3:47:22] uh I I'm not going to say on record what

[3:47:25] the official ask was from my higherups

[3:47:27] in area, but it was higher than what uh

[3:47:29] he got out of me. And uh this is what we

[3:47:32] came to. uh I have to get my area

[3:47:36] approval to put these prices together.

[3:47:38] It's a long process. They have a big

[3:47:40] spreadsheet, no formula. So, we put in

[3:47:42] 2.5. That's where we feel like it we're

[3:47:45] always going to be having to pay more

[3:47:47] higher drivers, etc., but we're good

[3:47:49] with that amount. We can take that

[3:47:51] floor. Um ceiling. Hopefully, it doesn't

[3:47:54] get up to that with the economy, but you

[3:47:56] never know. But that's uh Council Member

[3:47:57] Hulie. That's where that came from.

[3:48:00] >> Will that help with service delivery? We

[3:48:03] had, I think, two instances where

[3:48:04] Republic couldn't help us out as

[3:48:07] intended this last year.

[3:48:09] >> So, I wasn't here. I was in California,

[3:48:12] but I came back. Um, I've known about

[3:48:14] that.

[3:48:16] It's an industry-wide challenge, and

[3:48:19] here in Utah County, we have had

[3:48:21] challenges hiring drivers with CDLs. Uh,

[3:48:23] we've raised our rates and our wages,

[3:48:25] hence, you know, that 2.5 floor. We feel

[3:48:28] really good about it right now. Our

[3:48:30] trucks are holding up. We continue to

[3:48:31] hire. We're even offering uh people who

[3:48:34] are interested in getting their CDL to

[3:48:35] go out to Texas and we'll pay for it.

[3:48:37] So, but we're feeling better and good.

[3:48:40] >> So, yes, fingers crossed. I can't

[3:48:42] promise it will always be perfect, but

[3:48:43] that's what we hold ourselves to.

[3:48:50] » Do you share what what does a driver

[3:48:52] make on average?

[3:48:54] >> I don't have that with me right now.

[3:48:55] Yes. But I can bring it back. Yeah.

[3:48:59] All

[3:49:07] right, council. We did have kind of a

[3:49:09] heads up from staff on this, what to

[3:49:11] expect.

[3:49:12] Um, and we did already have that

[3:49:14] discussion about absorbing some of the

[3:49:16] increase for our residents. We had that

[3:49:18] ability to do so. Um my recollection,

[3:49:22] you know, the having been on the council

[3:49:25] all these years is that it has been a

[3:49:28] very good uh relationship and

[3:49:32] partnership and I remember many times

[3:49:35] Ree saying, "Hey, we're increasing this

[3:49:37] city this much, this city that much."

[3:49:38] And he would hold it for us quite often.

[3:49:41] So, um we we appreciate those

[3:49:46] accommodations. Something that's been

[3:49:48] beneficial for us that's remaining in

[3:49:50] the contract is right now Republic

[3:49:51] actually covers the cost of emptying all

[3:49:54] of our city facilities. And so we do not

[3:49:57] pay for garbage services disposal for

[3:50:00] any city facilities. So that was

[3:50:02] something that they we we kicked that

[3:50:05] around as an option, but we we would

[3:50:07] prefer to keep that. So

[3:50:09] >> and you are our only city that has that

[3:50:11] benefit. So [laughter]

[3:50:13] >> don't tell the others yet.

[3:50:16] Oh, we're telling them. Put it on the

[3:50:19] Facebook with the Star Wars stuff.

[3:50:20] Lincoln, you're my garbage guy. You

[3:50:22] feeling okay about this?

[3:50:24] >> You.

[3:50:25] >> Okay. So am I.

[3:50:27] >> Appreciate the conversations at ULCT as

[3:50:29] well. Appreciate you helping us wrap our

[3:50:31] heads around it. I'm I'm comfortable as

[3:50:33] well.

[3:50:35] >> Are you the motion man? Is what he's

[3:50:37] asking. [laughter]

[3:50:38] >> All right. This is yours, Lincoln. I

[3:50:41] move to approve the solid waste contract

[3:50:44] [cough and clears throat] addendum with

[3:50:45] Republic Service as presented.

[3:50:47] >> Second.

[3:50:48] >> Have a motion by council member Jacobs

[3:50:51] our trash ZAR.

[3:50:53] >> I like that.

[3:50:55] >> Council member Stewart,

[3:50:56] >> his assistant Zar.

[3:50:58] >> All right. All in favor?

[3:51:00] >> I.

[3:51:01] >> Thank you. And may the fourth be with

[3:51:03] you. [laughter]

[3:51:04] >> Nice sign on.

[3:51:07] >> All right.

[3:51:08] Okay. That takes us now to item number

[3:51:11] 14. This is a telecommunications

[3:51:14] franchise agreement with First Digital

[3:51:16] review and action.

[3:51:19] So, uh, First Digital actually has some

[3:51:21] infrastructure in our community. They've

[3:51:24] put in some things and then have changed

[3:51:27] from what I can gather they've changed

[3:51:29] some parent company

[3:51:32] um

[3:51:34] sorry ownership issues and they wanted

[3:51:36] to get a separate uh agreement that was

[3:51:39] just first digital um instead of through

[3:51:43] a subsidiary or parent company. And so

[3:51:46] uh we've sent them a sample agreement

[3:51:48] that we've used in the past. They were

[3:51:51] just fine with it. Signed it, sent it

[3:51:52] back, and they've paid their application

[3:51:54] fee. So, this is a draft that we've

[3:51:57] actually prepared as a city. We're

[3:51:58] comfortable with this being approved

[3:52:00] 100%. So,

[3:52:01] >> awesome.

[3:52:01] >> What's the the the piece about the

[3:52:03] automatic renewals is that

[3:52:06] >> to save time? I that was the only thing

[3:52:08] that made me go like do we want to have

[3:52:09] a hard stop so that we can

[3:52:12] >> where they have infrastructure buried in

[3:52:15] our streets to say at some point we're going to term this agreement and

[3:52:20] not allow it to continue. I don't know.

[3:52:22] >> Pretty strange.

[3:52:23] >> Yeah. Why we would do that. They they

[3:52:26] pay a tax that comes through. It's it's

[3:52:29] tax to end users. Uh clearly that's part

[3:52:32] of the tax that we pay for our utilities

[3:52:34] or for these different services. But,

[3:52:37] uh, I'm I'm comfortable with that

[3:52:38] automatic renewal. And so,

[3:52:41] >> um, the other thing, it does provide a

[3:52:43] little bit of a protection for us. We

[3:52:44] did have a similar instance with another

[3:52:46] franchise agreement that it had expired.

[3:52:49] And for us to then enforce something,

[3:52:51] that's problematic for us to say, "Hey,

[3:52:53] we have an agreement that says you'll

[3:52:54] take care of this issue because of your utility caused it." And then if our

[3:52:59] agreement's expired, that can be

[3:53:00] problematic. But,

[3:53:02] >> and then did is have you ever had

[3:53:03] problems with the restoration clause?

[3:53:05] It's like as it was instead of as it

[3:53:08] should be. Like if it was a cracked

[3:53:10] sidewalk and pretty lousy to begin with.

[3:53:14] They're not going to make a cracked

[3:53:15] sidewalk. But I just thought, well, no,

[3:53:16] we would

[3:53:17] >> What section is that? Do you recall?

[3:53:21] >> Restoration.

[3:53:21] >> It was a restoration section.

[3:53:23] >> Yeah, restoration clause. Any concerns?

[3:53:27] >> No, that that is just the standard

[3:53:29] language that they're not going to want

[3:53:31] us to. Again, what that usually applies

[3:53:34] to is if we've got a, you know, three

[3:53:37] foot sidewalk that's there, we can't

[3:53:40] make them come in and put a six foot

[3:53:43] >> that that's that's where it's at. And

[3:53:45] it's very standard that

[3:53:46] >> we repair it to the condition.

[3:53:49] >> That's 4.8 if you're looking for it.

[3:53:51] >> Yeah, that's cool. It's not searchable

[3:53:53] or else I just tell you to

[3:53:55] >> Yeah, sorry about I just put in the

[3:53:56] scanned copy that they sent back.

[3:53:58] >> No, you're good. You're good.

[3:54:01] >> Thanks. Those are my questions.

[3:54:07] » Well, I'll make a motion.

[3:54:09] >> Thank you.

[3:54:09] >> I move to approve the franchise

[3:54:11] agreement with First Digital as

[3:54:12] presented.

[3:54:14] >> Second.

[3:54:15] >> Motion by Councilman Stewart, seconded

[3:54:17] by Council Member Broader. Any further

[3:54:20] discussion?

[3:54:21] All right. Seeing none, I'll call the

[3:54:23] vote. All in favor?

[3:54:24] >> I.

[3:54:27] >> Any opposed? Okay, that's unanimous.

[3:54:31] All right, we'll get that signed away

[3:54:33] tonight. All right, we're now going to

[3:54:36] go into uh our last item on the agenda.

[3:54:39] This is [clears throat] item number 15

[3:54:41] to have a close session.

[3:54:44] >> I move to enter a close session to

[3:54:46] discuss potential purchase or sale of

[3:54:48] real property.

[3:54:50] >> All right, we have a motion by Council

[3:54:51] Member Stewart, seconded by Council

[3:54:53] Member Hoy. All in favor?

[3:54:55] >> I I

[3:54:59] go ahead and

[3:55:01] I or do you want it with

[3:55:02] >> that on the new recording, don't we?

[3:55:04] >> Oh. Oh, yeah.

[3:55:05] >> I was going to say

[3:55:06] >> to go into the close session.

[3:55:07] we need a

[3:55:09] roll call vote.

[3:55:10] >> Van Brick, I Lincoln Jacobs, I

[3:55:13] >> Cole Hulie, I

[3:55:14] >> Carolyn Lunberg, I

[3:55:16] >> Jay Ky, I

[3:55:17] >> Steve Stewart, I

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