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[0:07] we're on all right good evening Lichfield and welcome to the Thursday

[0:12] April 4th 2024 meeting of the Lichfield Conservation Commission I call this

[0:19] meeting to order at 6:31 p.m. please rise for the Pledge of

[0:25] Allegiance Pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America

[0:30] and to the republ for it stands one nation God indivisible with liberty and

[0:37] justice for all all right all right all right first thing uh roll call in

[0:45] appointment of alternates Miz plansky please take us through the roll call Mr

[0:50] hofman here Mr mingan here Michael here Dian plansky is present Mr chairman and

[0:58] Miss Vice chair here Frank Fred and George lash here and our new

[1:06] representative from the selectman MR Joan Brunell here thank you here uh so

[1:11] we got a full board tonight welcome board You full voting members alternates

[1:17] usual chime in do whatever you want just can't vote um yep welcome to Mr John

[1:23] Brunell as our Board of selectman rep we're excited about that and so have you

[1:29] been on the Conservation Commission I think I served the Conservation

[1:32] Commission for a year once before cool as a selectman as a selectman's w yes

[1:37] well it's a good group it is aoup I think you'll have some fun I look

[1:41] forward to it uh first item public input related to non agenda items uh this is

[1:48] this a person here for this Rob and Rob is our new member interview so he is on

[1:52] the agenda we've got that on the agenda so seeing nobody's here we're going to

[1:56] open it at 6:33 and close it Harry at

[2:00] 633 new business Route 3A cleanup wow look at

[2:06] first thing all right we're g to get this out of the way right now Joan how

[2:11] does um April 25th sound

[2:17] calendar it's a April excuse me April 27th is Saturday

[2:30] I can do April 27th I think on the curve going towards

[2:35] this Griffin we're going to need three people it's it's really bad right now

[2:39] it's really bad plus that's you have to watch traffic well maybe we can get

[2:44] anide that's like we have done in the past that curves I always do that corner

[2:49] that's my corner that's so for the U I've only

[2:53] been hit a couple times for the public just so that you know what we're talking

[2:56] about is that the Lichfield Conservation Commission is respons responsible for

[3:01] doing cleanup between Hill Crest and Pine Crest and we do it twice a year and

[3:05] some for some reason that curve around by Griffin is a magnet for laat blue

[3:14] trip X's I don't know anybody that drinks that Jason I don't know no bud

[3:18] lights no no Bud Lights it's only the good stuff that's a good thing I noticed

[3:22] there's a lot of cans around that corner so the only thing I'm worried about Joan

[3:26] with the 27th I'm fine with that but we got to get out there before the leav

[3:30] start coming in I know we cuz we got to go in deep this year what about oh well

[3:35] I just we did last arbitrarily picked that what uh 20 13 any of those 13 might

[3:40] still be snow 20th anybody around on the 20th I can't do the 20th I can do the

[3:46] 13th I don't know if the snow's going to be melted by then that's next Saturday

[3:50] well Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Saturday you guys can do it without me

[3:55] we did it in the fall Without You 13th did you do it in the fall without me yep

[4:00] that's the first one I missed anybody else yeah I'm I'm not I'm it depends on

[4:03] track season so okay so you're like Sundays are better for me actually if we

[4:08] want you're up in the air I'm up in the air if I if I'm here I'll do it Sundays

[4:13] it be I'm okay with Sundays I'm okay with Sunday I'm okay with Sundays not

[4:18] the 21st though 14th I can do the 14th I don't know we good on the 14th what time

[4:27] if not uh 9:00 a.m. I'll bring a date 900 if not what I won't be able to make

[4:34] the 14th okay that's okay that's

[4:39] okay we'll uh cancel if weather so are we

[4:44] good on the 14th Joan you good with that yeah Fred yes all right Matt so good on

[4:49] a Sunday everybody else Mr Cotto if you can make it if I can make it all right n

[4:52] o'cl 9:00 on the 14th 9 a. so all right next item on the agenda

[5:00] natural resource scien scientist dos Joan this is you

[5:06] okay um we have been members for quite a while this is

[5:12] um their acronym is naners New Hampshire Association of natural resource

[5:16] scientists and it's worth the $30 because they do some good workshops and

[5:21] then you get discountable workshops so we've

[5:26] been part of this organization for years a while all right and they give a they

[5:31] give a Conservation Commission membership at

[5:33] $30 anybody want to make a motion to pay the $30 dues I'll make a motion that we

[5:39] pay the $30 due for the natural resources

[5:45] scientist situation we got a motion by Harry we got a seconded by Matt all

[5:51] those in favor say I I I all those opposed motion carries

[5:57] 24670 all right um review of conservation

[6:02] bylaws you're up next on skip you're G to skip Rob C Rob is next ABC new member

[6:09] interview you see oh I I changed it up a little bit why don't you come

[6:15] forward you change it after you again I did I I printed it like we're

[6:20] good Diane do you want to lead this um yes sure could you introduce yourself

[6:26] and and tell us where you're from yeah so my name name is Rob Brer um uh I live

[6:32] two roads up on Shirley way so um yeah I'm a Fisheries biologist for a uh

[6:39] private environmental consulting company and uh so I've always been I've lived in

[6:44] town for going on 10 years now um and first moved to town I was a active duty

[6:52] air Air Force I was stationed down at hansam Air Force Base um so I did uh I'm

[6:57] retired from the Air Force and uh you know went to college became a Fisheries

[7:01] biologist and uh so I've always been interested in the kind of conservation

[7:07] efforts that are kind of ongoing in town and uh it's kind of a shame that I been

[7:13] in town for almost a decade and don't really know what SC really goes the

[7:17] present right yeah right is absolutely so just always been interested in the uh

[7:22] ongoings of town and as far as conservation and land use development

[7:27] natural resources and stuff like that so figured I'd be you know reach out and uh

[7:32] you know was interested in kind of getting involved with the community and

[7:35] have you had a chance to watch any of our meetings uh I have yes on on

[7:39] Facebook yep okay we have a pretty good term yeah we do a lot it's pretty active

[7:44] board it's it's a really active does yeah I've looked at the projects the

[7:47] community garden the fishing derby and all that stuff yeah yeah okay um does

[7:52] anybody have any questions for

[7:57] Rob you filled out your paperwork question do you think you're

[8:02] overqualified I might be I might be what do you do as a uh what do you do as a

[8:09] what' you say a fishery a Fisheries biologist what does that entail so I

[8:13] work a lot it's it's I do a lot of very I've got a very kind of diverse

[8:18] portfolio as far as different projects I work on so like I said I'm an

[8:22] environmental consultant and um so we deal with clientele uh whether it's

[8:27] federal state or other private CL cents uh like as a subcontractor or something

[8:32] like that and um so I deal with pretty much everything involves you know

[8:38] Fisheries um so whether it's like fish hatcheries or no so Fisheries habitat uh

[8:45] Fisheries passage uh even dealing with like aquatic organisms plant W about

[8:51] vernal pools uh vernal pools is more on wetlands and stuff like that so what

[8:55] about mil foil mil foil um we'll do mil foil cyano bacteria stuff like that yeah

[9:01] I'm doing a project right now we got one for cyano bacteria water quality uh

[9:06] water quality sampling all that type of stuff I do all water quality sampling

[9:09] water quality parameter monitoring so I've got a very diverse portfolio but

[9:14] pfoa pfoa P fast all that stuff yeah is it fresh water or salt water you

[9:20] specialize in both uh primarily fresh water Fisheries yes that's one of my

[9:24] experti is in uh you know Northeast you know freshwater fish identification uh

[9:29] but a dein marine and you know kind of you know inner tile in you know inner

[9:36] Lakes so stuff we could use them to help us on N Brook yeah yeah yeah

[9:43] yeah down there Rob right so I'm an a fishermen as well obviously so you've

[9:47] been down to park I fished you know I fish I fished all around town Ness and

[9:50] keg and dar Pond and all that stuff so I've done quite a fishing you know quite

[9:54] a bit of fishing around town so but n i my main focus though is is Hydro power

[10:01] so I I I like uh design fabricate and install fish passage systems um all

[10:07] across New England midatlantic like so they get from Brooks to larger bodies of

[10:13] water yeah migratory species mainly dams over Dam over dams so like mainly kind

[10:18] of focusing in eels and alisin or your River Herring salmon salmon yeah do so I

[10:23] I do uh uh radio telemetry or you know stuff like that to monitor salmon uh

[10:29] where actually we Tagg salmon and stuff like that actually just um uh we just uh

[10:35] this winter actually just a couple weeks ago we had a we got 40 brown trout brown

[10:40] trout smol that we kind of did like a track a t uh a training seminar on how

[10:45] to tag um smol so yeah we do a lot of projects where we monitor you know fish

[10:51] passage uh uh kind of doing some Community assessments and stuff like

[10:56] that so but that's pretty much uh it's a there's a lot more but that's pretty

[11:00] much the synopsis the clip notes of what I do how long have you worked for that

[11:03] company I've been with that company since May of

[11:06] 22 so we meet once a month um we've got a full board so we have seven seven

[11:15] voting members and then we have at least right now we have two two alternates

[11:20] right now our bylaws they State any um I don't know I was looking so um so

[11:28] what an alter position is is you're a you're a regular

[11:32] member you can uh participate in any way possible just when we get down to a vote

[11:39] vote yet you can't vote unless there is a full member missing then an alternate

[11:44] me missing during that meeting then an alternate member takes that spot and is

[11:48] able able to vote um and then we do a lot we do a lot between meetings uh we

[11:55] do a lot of land maintenance we do a lot of project type of work which you'll

[12:00] probably hear tonight if you if you hang around oh yeah um yeah so we put some

[12:05] hours in there's no there's no maximum of of alternates in our bylaws uh the

[12:10] process did you fill out the the online survey I did fill out the online form

[12:15] and then I was sent another form yeah the second form is the detailed more

[12:20] detailed one more detailed form I forgot to print that out was I supposed to

[12:24] bring that one to me tonight or is I just email that one back well it the

[12:27] board will probably recommend you to the selectman and then turn that into the

[12:32] selectman get it to Kim Kleiner the Town Administrator then get an interview with

[12:36] the selectman as well because they appoint okay so it's a two-part process

[12:40] so right here is your interview with us and then we make a recommendation to uh

[12:46] recommend you to the board of Selectmen and the board of Selectmen will actually

[12:49] appoint you as an alternate so we don't we don't appoint as an alternate we make

[12:54] the recommendation Board of selectman makes the appointment okay sounds great

[12:58] Mr brunell's our Board of Selectmen meet you and then you have to be sworn in by

[13:03] the town clerk on once it's s pass by the select right so I make a motion that

[13:09] we send a letter to the board of Selectmen saying that we'd like to have

[13:12] Rob join us as an alternate do I have a second second okay uh anybody have any

[13:19] other questions at all Mr Coto anything we have a lot of fishing people here M I

[13:25] heard I heard there's a lot of Fisher my fisherman or I'm an avid fly fish all

[13:30] kinds of fishing so I do I do freshwater and and Marine fly fly fishing both type

[13:35] of music country and western exactly loose brother reference right

[13:40] there um so we have a motion by Diane Diane seconded by John uh all

[13:49] those in favor say I I all those oppos abstain motion passes 70 and that can be

[13:55] an email too you have any got questions for us Kim Kleiner no I'm in

[13:59] oh not to the select but as far as right now well that

[14:03] goes to okay good call M what yeah any questions do you have any questions of

[14:09] us oh I was just saying uh not no not right now but in time they'll probably

[14:14] come but it's just it's definitely something something I'm very interested

[14:18] in we also give um input to the zoning board and planning board on projects

[14:23] that come in Wetlands that's good to know I've done um I used to do some Land

[14:28] Development land you so work for another company uh down in Amherst and you you

[14:33] know dealing with kind of uh Dees and so mher New Hampshire or mher New Hampshire

[14:39] yeah environmental permitting and that stuff so Wetlands background um no I I

[14:44] can I have education in wetlands and uh and all that stuff but I'm not a

[14:49] certified Wetland scientist or anything like that still education is good so

[14:53] that Joe brings up a good point so any any development that comes in town that

[14:58] impacts for the most part A Wetlands or a Wetlands buffer that comes before us

[15:03] and then we make recommendations that end up going to the planning board yeah

[15:07] so I've done yeah I've dealt with the wet Mike's the chairman of the plan oh

[15:11] nice that's awesome Okay small town all right yeah yeah cool so we'll get an

[15:17] email Joan right is that so we'll get an email to the Town

[15:21] Administrator um she will most likely put you on the agenda for the board of

[15:26] Selectmen the next meeting I think is next is on Monday Monday yeah okay um so

[15:31] it may happen then it may happen two weeks two weeks from Monday we have your

[15:36] email address yeah sure it's uh do you want to now uh why just write it down

[15:41] for me paper here okay uh let's do that here sheet of

[15:46] paper then she can get you an

[15:51] appointment all right good while you're doing that we're going to move on with

[15:55] the agenda and uh you're welcome to hang out we got a lot of things going on

[16:00] tonight he's planning on to um concert so we're now at the review of bylaws so

[16:07] I wanted to just take a second and put the bylaws up on the screen and just see

[16:10] if anybody has uh just to do a really quick three minute overview of them just

[16:15] to see if anybody has any any questions and actually from Mr Brunell I

[16:21] don't know if you've I just looked at them got a chance to look at these

[16:25] things conservation bylaws thank you

[16:31] you there we

[16:35] go I we try to do this once a year just to make sure that we're all

[16:42] kind of on the same page in regards to this okay so I'm going to scroll through

[16:46] it real quick and I'll we haven't had any updates since 2022 on it right nope

[16:52] I don't even I don't think 2005 yeah it's been a long time um I have a i I

[16:58] think that we should look I'm going to read through it Diane just real quick so

[17:02] we go in order and then we can see if we've got any issues then we

[17:06] can we would have to deliberate those at an at another another meeting um so the

[17:12] purpose to study natural resources of the town and make proper recommendations

[17:16] to the selectman planning board and town programs on the better use development

[17:21] and preservation of the town's natural resources uh B acquire by purchase Grant

[17:27] trust easement or gift such Parcels of land that may be available for

[17:31] conservation or recreational purposes C to manage such acquired land until such

[17:38] time as it properly becomes the responsibility of another town

[17:42] organization D to inform local residents about various aspects of the town's

[17:47] natural resources and E to perform whatever other duties pertinent under

[17:53] rsa's 36a which governs conservation commissions um under the membership line

[18:00] the Conservation Commission shall be comprised of seven

[18:04] members on a rotating basis three-year terms and alternates appointments are

[18:09] made by the Lichfield Board of Selectmen and B Lichfield Conservation Commission

[18:15] members missing three consecutive meetings can be kicked out of the

[18:20] club that's what it says um government officers include

[18:26] chair Vice chair and secretary terms of office all officers are elected annually

[18:32] after April appointments and are made by the board

[18:36] of Selectmen and the terms of office will begin immediately we're going to do

[18:40] that tonight an officer May hold his post no more than two consecutive terms

[18:46] however upon unanimous vote of a quorum an officer may serve an additional term

[18:53] for not more than a total of four terms consecutive so there's a two two-year

[18:59] term but if you're voted in you get two additional years if it's

[19:04] unanimous um eligibility all duly appointed members

[19:08] of the Conservation Commission shall be eligible for any office in that

[19:15] organization except for the limitations under Article 4 B which is the two

[19:22] consecutive term thing uh then it goes into the duties I

[19:26] won't go through here I'll just paraphrase chairman presides over the

[19:30] meeting Vice chair fills in in the absence of the chair the secretary keeps

[19:35] the minutes and attendance notifies Conservation Commission

[19:39] members uh meetings are held monthly uh and that's a and then B we

[19:46] need a quorum of four members to conduct our

[19:49] business and then under voting in no case shall Maj majority be less than

[19:54] three votes if it's a tie vote things it's a loss

[19:59] and the chairman may vote at meetings but shall not have more than one vote

[20:04] why would a chair have more than one vote interesting Robert's Rules of

[20:08] orders and any amendments um we can discuss any amendments and amend the

[20:15] bylaws at any given point in time can they be voted at the same meeting do you

[20:20] have to public hearing believe you are right that's in

[20:25] the amendment section is it SA at the next meeting it says in the third

[20:32] line shall vote on whether to consider amendments for the next meeting so you

[20:37] can make them where does it say that the last paragraph the third line line

[20:43] [Music] down so it doesn't say it has to be a

[20:47] well this is a public doesn't have to be a public hearing but no you have to

[20:50] notice for a public hearing you I think what it's saying is that you can't make

[20:54] a change to the bylaws that meeting that meeting and then vote on that meting

[20:59] okay so that'll be the next meeting um but but we could discuss it this we

[21:03] should know proposed

[21:07] change anybody got any issues with those I don't know that other boards um

[21:13] limit the chair to to certain amount of years does anybody know that I know

[21:19] you've been chair forever over it at planning and Laura's been Sher for they

[21:24] don't the other boards don't limit it no I don't know a bad thing I was chairman

[21:31] for about 15 years yeah I think but I think there's

[21:34] an exception if there's nobody else in the same unanimous vot right or no one

[21:39] actually gets stepped up I think the board of selectman are looking at their

[21:44] bylaws that haven't been viewed in a while and that has the same stipulation

[21:47] it's two two terms you oh does oh okay there's a there's the same exception

[21:52] some no one else does it that carries on but okay yeah

[21:58] anything should we have something in there that says I don't how to word it

[22:03] but excuse me Matt Lor had brought this up that a commission member should not

[22:10] be speaking outside of a meeting as representing the commission unless

[22:15] they've been told that in in a meeting I recall that and that was a a

[22:22] separate policy that he adopted I don't think it just ever got referenced

[22:27] into that might be something to think about y um that just unlik can't we

[22:32] can't speak about anything unless it's been pre preapproved representing the

[22:36] commission outside of a meeting if unless the board has sent you off to do

[22:42] some particular job which is how we have been operating yeah um makes sense it

[22:48] does make sense to be added all right so maybe we can dig that

[22:52] up at the next next meeting and and think about that I don't think it's a

[22:56] bad idea it's just you're representing the commission you just got

[23:01] to make sure that it's the commission's statement instead of an

[23:05] individual

[23:08] statement all right cool anything else moveing right

[23:14] along now to the fun

[23:20] stuff old business so we got a lot of old business here so uh the gavel might

[23:27] come out except for George because George comes with

[23:31] Graphics uh pollinator Garden update talk um I have not had very much luck uh

[23:42] coordinating the community center with UNH

[23:48] either UNH couldn't meet their dates or the fire department had already reserved

[23:56] the room and I've tried to two or three times and I'm going to try one more time

[24:03] and I'm going to try I think the second week in May and

[24:10] see how that works out and if we have to push it out you

[24:15] know a month or two push it out a month or two okay yeah yeah I mean well

[24:21] gardening stuff should probably be happening sooner than later because yeah

[24:25] because I I fill out the form and i' give it to the fire department and then

[24:31] I'd follow up with them saying you know

[24:36] oh uh I guess I forgot to tell you that date was taken and it just it's

[24:43] been just bring we know a guy we know a guy who knows about scheduling how's

[24:49] that how's that work in the evening so looking at Tuesday the 7th and Thursday

[24:57] the 9th the community room is available is that in May that's in

[25:02] May and if you want it I can ask I can put a block in for

[25:07] both days to decide which day it is um let me send an email to un H now

[25:15] which dates did you say the um 7th 7th and the 9th a Tuesday and a Thursday May

[25:21] May and they appear to be open they are currently open doesn't mean that there

[25:28] is somewh trying to get booked into it but right now they're currently I know

[25:31] um I I'm happy to call tomorrow and make sure that they

[25:36] arew you trying to book it and I'll block it all right let me now do I still

[25:41] have to fill out the the form for the fire department I'll ask for you but

[25:46] we'll get it reserved for you yeah John when the fire department's

[25:50] using that room y does that typically go on the C the town calendar uh well it's

[25:55] not the town calendar it's it's on their community calendar calendar it doesn't

[25:59] show up in the town calendar okay so um so we can't see that we can't see if

[26:03] they block it probably not that the typically the room is blocked on

[26:06] Wednesday evening is the fire department um there are a lot of other um Community

[26:13] organizations using the room so it is getting used a lot outside of town

[26:18] me ouch so yeah one time I had fill out the

[26:25] form yeah and uh he said okay and then he had to call me

[26:31] back and said oops and that could have been a town meeting conflict too

[26:35] unfortunately because it will trump it will tend sometimes trumpet but I I I'll

[26:41] talk to him tomorrow to make sure and if so I'll just I'll block it there does

[26:45] really get his emails May 7th is a planning board again so TR for the nth

[26:51] which night May 7th is the planning board planning board so that cuts down

[26:55] you she would like to be there is what you're saying be at the planning board

[26:59] so it has to be that I mean have to try for seventh or night whatever you can

[27:03] har you got this it sounds like it's either seventh or 9th communicate if you

[27:09] if we need to kick it out we'll kick it out okay why don't you give John your

[27:12] phone number too because that way he doesn't try to go through email with you

[27:15] and you can't find it whatever um so for the folks on the line all 10 people

[27:20] watching uh there's going to be a pollinator talk at the fire station at

[27:25] some given point in time in the near future knock on wood all works out good

[27:29] we will get there thanks um next item on the agenda Moors fall sidewalk update uh

[27:34] get this one so if if you guys remember correctly a couple of months ago we got

[27:42] a the developer for Corning Farm which is the horse farm came in and discussed

[27:48] putting a sidewalk across Moors Falls to be able to make that connection

[27:53] eventually over to the bike path um we've been running around for like the

[27:57] past last three months or so on that we finally got a plan for it today at like

[28:03] 2: p.m. and it's up it's up in the portal um I'll give you guys a quick

[28:08] look at it I don't know if there's really much action that we need to take

[28:13] on this uh Joan well we need to we need to send us to the fishing game yeah so

[28:20] let's just take like a quick look at what what they

[28:24] did and all right and then did you have a contact that at uh New England power

[28:31] National Grid we'll have to send it to them as well this doesn't have a great

[28:35] PDF viewer John no it does not agre but I'm going to try

[28:40] to it's actually looks like it's it's much clearer when you open it up but um

[28:45] the point right right here on the side of the screen I don't know Matt if you

[28:49] can just like point to it for the people where my mouse is you know that's the

[28:54] the exit of the Horse Farm property right you see that can you point right

[28:59] to where yeah right where that is and then the entrance to moris Falls is down

[29:04] on the leftand side of the screen and they are proposing the sidewalk is going

[29:09] to basically hug the fence it's going to go around the power pole right there and

[29:14] then come all the way down and then end at the at the parking lot cool so they

[29:21] provided that design and then the important thing here and unfortunately

[29:26] can't see it cuz I got to get a better View were uh but these are a a vertical

[29:31] profile of that and that's what the National Grid wanted and um I don't

[29:37] think the state cares about the vertical but National Grid needed that vertical

[29:41] and those little numbers there State the height of the the

[29:46] wires and then and then the elevation of the ground so I think everything what

[29:52] was the uh final result on the surface is it going to be stone dust or we don't

[30:00] well that's up to the state didn't they say no pavement right we're hoping for I

[30:05] think we're hoping for pavement okay yeah so we're going to stick with that

[30:10] for now but we we'll find out from building yeah um so anybody got any

[30:17] questions on that at all it's going on the inside of the

[30:22] fence in inside of the fence pretty much hugging the fence line and then going

[30:28] around that one power pole what about those trees uh the trees that we they're

[30:34] they're probably on the inside on the map the trees would be that that

[30:39] shouldn't interfere with the trees they're on the outside of the trees it

[30:41] looks like so it's so the trees are and and the path is on the other

[30:47] side of the trees if those little dots are trees if you zoom in so is the oh

[30:53] there you see those little dots between the road and no no no no below closer

[30:58] all those yeah all those there those must be trees they that's all they could

[31:02] be I'm thinking now the fence when it comes into the fence in the parking area

[31:07] is are we going to be responsible to replace that or they're going to they're

[31:12] going to do they're going to take care of that

[31:14] for because would they go around the fence or they going to the the plan

[31:20] shows it it ending you know where about the sign is where we have the little

[31:24] sign it's most likely going to end there and then exit it

[31:28] onto Route 3A essentially through the r gate yeah and then if the if the gas

[31:35] station ever gets built it's going to pick up from there right right okay and

[31:39] the existing fence is still going to stay there yeah

[31:43] better there's 101 holes dug there 80 pounds of concrete per hole do the

[31:51] ma um uh okay what's the next step are you

[31:55] going to get a hold of National Grid and then yeah so the so the next steps we

[31:59] got to get this plan to two places fishing game and National Grid I'll take

[32:04] care of National Grid if you'll take care of fishing

[32:08] game and then it the balls in their Court fishing game she said might take a

[32:14] while I don't think it'll be this year he wanted to do the footing on the

[32:18] bedding on in the winter but I think we're past that

[32:22] yep all right anything else on on that hearing none next item on the agenda

[32:31] dupon mil foil update um I don't have too much to say

[32:36] he's I did send him uh the list of abutters and I think I copied you guys

[32:41] with the email so I went through the tax map got all the ab Butter's names and

[32:45] addresses sent it to him um and he replied saying thank you for the you

[32:51] know he received the email I think he's still waiting for his um permits to be

[32:55] applied by the state um so we're in a waiting game we haven't paid him any

[32:59] money you know he said once he gets his permits applied with the um pesticides

[33:05] or herbicides that he's going to use um then he'll ask for um the first

[33:11] installment um for the the amount that we owned so and and the Town

[33:16] Administrator wants to know when all this is happening and what's happening

[33:20] because of the storm water ms4 permit she needs to know anything happens with

[33:25] the water

[33:29] well when I when I know I'll let her know and I I need to know sorry I need

[33:35] to know for that um study that they're doing through um Dees right so like to

[33:41] get out there before he gets out there yeah and I I don't think I I'll reach

[33:46] out to him again to find out if he knows exactly what okay what date or and he's

[33:51] just going to give me a ballpark the the big question is is the

[33:54] ball rolling on his end like the ball he has applied for the pr

[33:58] gotta yeah okay does any clue on how long that that takes no and this guy is

[34:05] kind of a unique duck so you know if I if I push him too hard and he's our only

[34:10] option I don't want to you know push him away but so I'm trying not to pound on

[34:15] him you know I was I was going to him once a month you know um but I'll hit

[34:20] I'll reach out to him again to see exactly where we are our Target was like

[34:23] June right I think so cool have you heard any feedback from

[34:30] any of the abuts at all I'm just curious um so we went and talked with Susan

[34:35] Brown um she um lives just outside the ball field there on what gr Lane gr

[34:43] lanean so she had mentioned there's this flooding of um Tera Pond and she brought

[34:49] it to the attention of us the highway department and the building inspector um

[34:54] I think I pushed her towards the building inspector so

[34:58] I went out and spoke with her and Matt was there too and we took a look at her

[35:02] concerns um and it maybe that the pond is just overflowing because of all the

[35:08] rain that we had um typically we would have snow pack and it would melt in a

[35:12] controlled fashion and I think all the rain that we had in December and January

[35:17] probably just filled the pond up higher than it should be but anyways she was

[35:22] all for the mil foil um and she was talking to somebody on the other side of

[35:27] the pond who was in a butter of the pond who was

[35:29] all for it as well so that's two out of the six are all for it so

[35:35] basically people are uh happy with everybody I've talked

[35:40] to about it has sounded happy you know people who have been fishing there or

[35:44] people walking you know I've seen them um walking on the in the beach area I've

[35:48] talked to them cool people have to be aware that that

[35:53] is a kettlehole pond it's glacial created it has no in her Outlet I did

[35:58] take a ride down grass to see what was happening and it's flooding in the

[36:02] marshy area her house is up high enough not a problem but the um it's the two

[36:08] well the two production Wells have been shut off too so the pond is coming

[36:14] back what was that last thing you said Joe the two production Wells excuse me

[36:19] on um off uh behind near the off Mal uh not

[36:25] Mard wood hawkway they have been shut down for a while because of

[36:28] contamination of gas so that has brought the pond back they were that pond is in

[36:35] the cone of influence of those Wells as is perch pond so those all those ponds

[36:40] are coming back to where they should be and for years they told you that they

[36:45] weren't affecting them the geologist from un said turn the wells off for two

[36:50] weeks and you'll see how the pond comes back

[36:53] exactly cool well good okay thank you for that uh Parker Park Bridge update

[36:59] George okay um I since you wanted Graphics I gave

[37:04] you a a little if you go to the view um you can go to slideshow mode I think

[37:10] okay uh let's see where's slideshow mode on this view so file edit view right

[37:16] there oh there we go and then PowerPoint guy so yeah this is a Google Slides or

[37:22] something same thing it's free oh can you scroll up to the uh

[37:29] uh yes okay that's good enough okay all right so um I made this little

[37:34] PowerPoint today just to uh you know have you guys take a look at what the

[37:39] options are for the different types of bridges that we could put in there and

[37:42] the work I've done um with this FR FRP Bridge so next slide please so we have

[37:47] basically three different types of bridges um one is called the Rainbow

[37:53] Bridge with homemade trusses um you can buy Plan plans from this company rainbow

[37:58] Bridges online and Jason had sent a video to me and Matt I think about this

[38:05] trust and Trust system so this would be a a truss that we would handmake um and

[38:10] we could um build a bridge ourselves building our own trusses uh we could

[38:14] also use a steel ibeam uh we were this is the type of bridge that you see at um

[38:20] Hidden Creek and pasic Conway so they use steel ey beams for their support and

[38:24] then uh the third one is the F FRP fiberglass rein fored plastic and

[38:29] basically it's I beams or trusses made out of this fiberglass reinforced

[38:35] plastic okay so I get you so these are a couple pictures of what this uh Rainbow

[38:42] Bridge truss would look like um I just grabbed a couple of them off the

[38:46] internet but if we were to do it we would have to make a a much better

[38:51] railing system um I'm not 100 sure 100% sure if we have to be ADA Compliant um

[38:57] but ada8 compliance means you can't put a 4ft ball through any of the holes in

[39:01] the bridge okay so I don't know if that's an option but that's a picture of

[39:08] the Rainbow Bridge go ahead yeah so this is a picture of one of the

[39:13] bridges on um at Hidden Creek Hidden Creek and

[39:18] there's a there's a couple of Steel I beams um running across there and so the

[39:22] ibeam carries the span weight and they have concrete pockets on either side of

[39:27] these Bridges and you put your decking on top okay

[39:31] pre-cast the yeah you well you have to well in this case there's concrete

[39:38] and I don't think it's pre-cast I think they poured it there okay but this is

[39:42] just a picture of what it looks like and we would have to put railings okay and

[39:46] then this is the um uh FR FRP Bridge the bridge on the left is the actual style

[39:53] that we're going to we would we would use um which has

[39:57] I beams along the bottom the one on the right um actually has their own little

[40:02] truss support so you can see how the the trusses stick out

[40:06] um that the trust style bridge is required if you go over 25 ft and it's

[40:11] much more expensive um this the ibeam style on the left is the we can do for

[40:17] 25 ft how how wide is it again how um so I went and got a um another price qu

[40:26] originally I priced it at5 foot wide I priced it at 4 feet wide and the price

[40:31] came down significantly so um I'll I'll be addressing that SP that you have to

[40:36] 25t 25t will 25 work yes yeah okay next slide

[40:42] get okay so here here's the pros and cons on these various different um

[40:47] designs okay if we do the homemade trust it's the cheapest right um we just be

[40:51] buying 2 by 12s and nailing them together okay um and we won't need

[40:58] really large Machinery to put them in place because they're I mean they may be

[41:02] 2 or 300 lounds each but we can put the trusses in by hand okay we might need to

[41:08] have some guy wires to put them across but we could do it um the cons are that

[41:12] it will deteriorate over time because it's wood it could be pressure treated

[41:16] but it would still Pro probably um deteriorate uh we would have to build it

[41:22] so we'd have to be using hand tools and this and that um there may be liability

[41:27] ISS isues involved because you know we're using these plans off the internet

[41:30] and we are building it I don't know if I want to put my name to a bridge that

[41:34] some kid it collapses and they drown but whatever and then how long will it take

[41:39] to build right so you'd have to put these trusses together right then we

[41:43] have to go I think the cons are Pros okay next next slide like liabil

[41:49] nobody likes using Cary though so steel I beam next so so it's pretty

[41:57] structurally sound right you know it the the steel isn't second least expensive

[42:02] or keep going second least expensive right the cons is that you know you've

[42:06] got this 25t steel ibeam that you have to somehow get in there so we can get

[42:12] heavy machinery on one side but maybe not the other side right so it kind of

[42:16] hard to get that helicopter helicopter um we still would have to do the

[42:21] building of the decking and the railings um and again that may deteriorate over

[42:26] time and we do need a structural engineer to size that beam so it's

[42:31] beyond our Layman you know so it's not all that hard oh we got a fishery guy

[42:35] here he's probably under his I mean you tell them you tell them the length of

[42:39] the span what you're going to be using it for and they'll give you the weight

[42:42] so it's okay I've sort of done it but I haven't priced out the ibeam

[42:47] itself okay and then this FRP um what's FRP stand for again fiberglass

[42:53] reinforced plastic all right okay um it's easy to to assemble um I looked at

[42:59] a uh for service study and they said they built one in 3 hours with five

[43:04] people it was a 22t bridge so they put it together um in 3 hours um it's

[43:11] basically an Erector Set it's got a bunch of galvanized bolts and you bolt

[43:15] it together um it's no heavy equipment it won't rot and the key is it's

[43:20] engineered by somebody else to carry the load and we don't have to worry about it

[43:24] it does cost the most um it will will be drop shipped here or it'll come in on a

[43:29] trailer we would have to unload the trailer um it's be a couple of I think

[43:36] maybe three pallets would have to come off um and if you don't like that light

[43:42] green color that could be a con but okay next slide yep okay I have a question on

[43:49] that one y what happens if a a big tree hits the fiberglass Bridge it's going to

[43:54] break it'll break it'll break like well but it's going to be the same thing

[43:59] that if it be if same thing if it was a Wood Bridge well not if it was a steel I

[44:04] beam not if it's a steel I but hold that thought okay so George has got

[44:10] everything covered don't go George I do so um I read the study and there's a

[44:15] link and actually this um presentation is in the portal right and I did update

[44:21] the PDF file that I or the the word document I had with a whole bunch of

[44:24] more information so um and there are clickable links now okay so you don't

[44:29] have to okay so if properly designed for the

[44:34] load these things work very well but it's they had one collapse on them and

[44:39] they ran a Mule Train carrying bags of cement across this bridge that was only

[44:44] designed for pedestrians and it collapsed but thankfully no mules or

[44:47] people were hurt okay so it's good to know okay so they did in the part of the

[44:53] study they says you know you can't like Nick these things up and and scratch

[44:56] them you know it's the fiberglass supports and whatnot so you don't want

[45:00] to be like banging them on rocks um when you're you can Nick them up no you can't

[45:05] Nick them up so you don't you mean it's hard to Nick them up or you shouldn't

[45:08] Nick them you shouldn't Nick them up okay all right and um in one of the

[45:12] bridges in a couple of places they um were using impact guns or something to

[45:17] put the bolts in and they overtightened some of them and it compromise a couple

[45:21] of the holes um but it didn't compromise the bridge in totality but um there was

[45:27] just a couple of things to mention and one of the ones there was a study in

[45:31] Arizona or something and in um very hot temperatures because it is plastic it

[45:37] will give a little bit more but it's designed to to handle that um so that's

[45:43] that so coal doesn't bother coold doesn't

[45:46] bother okay so we um had the pile um one of the pile companies come out and take

[45:54] a look at our two locations we had like a 30ft location in a 25t location across

[45:58] the bank and it turned out this 25t section he thought was the best this is

[46:03] the second one the one that's farther down uh near the corner of the um stream

[46:10] where we cut the trees down dog legs okay where dog legs so this picture is

[46:15] taken from the community guard inside of the stream okay and uh you can see I

[46:22] noted that the tree on the right side of the opposite Bank might need to come

[46:25] down so it's in worse condition than the one

[46:29] that's on the left mostly dead right so we we it would most likely Fall Away

[46:35] from the bridge but we would take that look the root system might pop exactly

[46:40] and um because we have 25 ft there the tape measure is showing there is 24 ft

[46:47] and it's off the bank on both sides so there's enough room to put the piles in

[46:52] um and not have to deal with the roots he thought there might be too much Rock

[46:57] at the other section and that's still on the town parcel that where you are no no

[47:02] no nor yeah we do it is written in the um the easement in the lease that we can

[47:08] put Bridges there but we if we if this ends up going through we should probably

[47:12] just have a conversation with them just to not nor but get the double thumbs up

[47:17] agrarian agian y next slide next line okay sorry if I'm not going fast enough

[47:24] no this is good all right so here's a picture of yeah yeah here's a picture of

[47:28] one of those piles that they put into the ground right so it's a three it's a

[47:32] 3in wide um um pipe galvanized pipe that they screw in augur in um and they'll be

[47:41] putting in four of them um one you know two on each side and it's going to be a

[47:46] two I beam if the FR FRP thing goes through it it would be two ey beams

[47:50] whether it was steel or um this plastic Bridge um and travel cost and

[47:56] installation cost whatever it's about 3,000 it might be less a little bit less

[48:01] um for the foundation only for the foundation I have another company um

[48:05] there's two in the area that do it they were supposed to call me back today I'm

[48:09] going to get another quote from them okay okay thanks so that gets screwed in

[48:14] y and then oh hold on okay never mind need to hold so they put they put a

[48:21] a plate on the top of the thing there so um the cap plate is used to either I

[48:27] don't know if we would put a a steel component or is that a u yeah it's a u

[48:32] well he has a number of different attachments depending upon what your

[48:35] application is so it could bolt directly to the ibeam or he said we might want to

[48:40] put a steel plate on there and Bolt the plate to the ibeam depending upon um how

[48:45] it goes and he uses this 4ot wide excavator um that's on the back of his

[48:50] his uh trailer there to put this thing in um okay so how did it get to the

[48:56] other side though with a for foot next no questions till the end question

[49:01] no questions till the end question shall not be asked an answer work required

[49:05] before piles can be placed so we must clear a path from the community garden

[49:09] to the bridge location all right um there's we've looked there's a Spur that

[49:13] goes down and it' be a nice gentle path um there's a tree across it right now

[49:17] that we'd have to cut up um it's already down tree is down but we need to cut it

[49:22] up and so we'd have to trim a path okay and on

[49:28] the the other side um he won't be able to drive down the path all the way there

[49:33] but we would just have to get access from Wilson um to get him in through the

[49:38] side and there was a couple of places where we thought he could get in okay

[49:43] okay next nice okay so this is the um the

[49:49] cost um for a 4ft wide um Bridge with the shipping and the files and

[49:57] everything um this is the best quote I found but this came down $5,000 by going

[50:04] from 5 foot wide to 4 foot wide can I can I ask a question do we know what the

[50:10] AA requirement is for a wheelchair go through three okay to be ADA wheelchair

[50:18] right and's not ADA Compliant but well yeah um next question is um do we did we

[50:26] ever find out what the budget was for this bridge 18,000 in the in the um oh

[50:32] my God you're under budget what that's that's was in the old bridge account

[50:37] Roland had so I've gotten um a couple of quotes for like 25 and $335,000 and I

[50:44] got a reply from a company today saying that um well we here's the price but U

[50:49] we're actually in Europe and it would cost me 5,000 um pounds in order to ship

[50:56] it across the you know but I thanked him for this time slow I thought I had

[51:00] looked at all of the companies some are in Texas some in Pennsylvania I think

[51:04] this currently one company's in Pennsylvania

[51:08] okay all right next I don't know if I have too much

[51:11] more okay

[51:16] um so that that was my final opinion you know so if it's going to cost less than

[51:21] 14 Grand probably um and you know it's it's properly constructed we do get to

[51:28] build something you know we're going to put the whole thing together so there is

[51:31] some satisfaction of building something um but uh I think it's the best

[51:37] engineered easiest to install solution and it and it might work does that come

[51:42] with the railing that comes with the railing yes good yeah any other um

[51:47] hidden cost that I'm talking hundreds of dollars I'm

[51:52] talking any anything that's going to pop up that's going to be so to three

[51:57] grand not that I can imagine I you know I will go through it again if we

[52:03] actually going to what kind of tools would you need just regular tools that

[52:07] you have already to put it together yeah so you need wrenches so it's it's just

[52:12] um a bunch of bolts it's like the Ikea stuff it comes with it yeah I mean so we

[52:18] can use a screw gun to put together we just make sure the the torque settings

[52:22] aren't just set it right aren't too hard spec um

[52:27] and you know the ramps you know we might need to construct maybe a small ramp on

[52:33] either side to build it up if we couldn't get proper grading yes yeah so

[52:39] that's that's the only and I didn't we're not ordering one of those so we

[52:42] could make wood ones you know to to do that you know is there any um well I had

[52:48] a couple questions quick hitters uh the beam that goes across that's 25 ft does

[52:53] that come shipped as a 25 foot beam no it gets

[52:56] it gets plated together it's multiple beams M like eight Footers that we kind

[53:01] of stagger yes all right so it's it's not it's not straight across right it's

[53:05] going to have no no it's straight no it's straight it is straight yeah option

[53:09] one was the arch AR yeah so this above the water are you then that was my

[53:14] second question um what is can we can we go up at with the screwing thing can we

[53:21] raise the bridge by a foot or something he said with the piling you can go up

[53:25] about a foot or so you know do add to your share um yeah yeah yeah yeah so um

[53:32] but he said yes you could do that because in the one of the in the higher

[53:36] location that was going to be required in order for us to put um the bridge in

[53:40] but so yes and where we are go that but picture it's got a fairly decent Bank

[53:47] there um it's pretty level on the side the on on the yeah right there on the

[53:53] side where I am um where the picture is taken from you're quite above the high

[53:57] water mark and I think we're going to be pretty good above the high water mark

[54:02] there yeah I'm concerned about flooding and the the force on the bridge yep yeah

[54:06] so if we raise it just a little bit I think we're we'll be pretty good yeah

[54:11] the the the water right now is about a foot below what the high water mark was

[54:15] there it it was still pretty pretty high there and those big trees protect would

[54:19] protect the bridge somewhat on that further side yeah until trees are

[54:27] downam am iow to ask question yes okay uh so actually just talking about that

[54:33] you know the trees protecting the bridge and stuff like that I don't know if this

[54:36] kind of like a question SL maybe food for thought but is there any like

[54:40] environmental permitting as far as like uh stream bank erosion because you're

[54:45] talking about removing trees well we're not removing them well well I thought

[54:49] that was said earlier we're going we're going to we might take the the one

[54:54] that's partially dead just cut it off we're not going to pull take the root

[54:57] system you can't pull the stump I do know that Shand

[55:05] protection yeah comply that yeah and that's why you know we're not putting in

[55:10] those you know we're not going to dig up and put the concrete in we're just going

[55:13] to be placing the piles okay and he's the pile guy said as long as he wasn't

[55:18] in the water that he was fine with putting the piles outside of the water

[55:23] cool question anybody else got anything where's the pile guy from the guy that

[55:28] does Sal and this other company serves um I can't remember the name of it um uh

[55:34] New Hampshire and mass might be Erikson or something like that I wondered about

[55:38] Ericson yeah okay uh next next steps so what are you thinking so I you know

[55:45] since we're spending this money um I'm trying to get three quotes I've gotten

[55:50] two Bridge crots already maybe three bridge crots and I'm trying to get my

[55:55] second um pile quote and did you hear anything

[56:00] from the state I emailed them yeah I emailed last time right after we got out

[56:06] of the last meeting and I never heard anything back Trails Bureau yeah I sent

[56:10] an email to the trails Bureau and did not heal back and I believe their

[56:14] bridges are they're either telephone pole trusses or um um steel ey beams is

[56:22] that what pum used that those were um Telephone PS Trust did you ever get in

[56:27] touch with P Jay uh no I did not either no cuz they the ones I'll an email just

[56:33] to see cuz that was a really well-made bridge I do think that those were cement

[56:39] footings so but I don't know if they're different than what you said shouldn't

[56:43] be done um but that's a really I think I sent you the video I sent you the video

[56:48] it's over pretty high and it's pretty far but George's point about it being

[56:52] engineered I think is the most that's probably it won't a ro

[56:56] well or certified someone's got to or stamp this we send the whole job out to

[57:04] bid and some construction company does everything yeah and I

[57:09] think from the prices that I've seen yeah yeah right so okay um cool so maybe

[57:18] so the next steps like we'd have to firm up everything that you've got it looks

[57:22] like it's like 90% of the way here we would at some point need to talk to The

[57:28] Agrarian trust because it is their property and even though it says we can

[57:31] put bridges on there we probably would need to make sure that happens and then

[57:36] if we get super duper serious it's actually in our lease to put those it is

[57:41] it's in our lease I have our lease right here and it is in our lease to add those

[57:45] bridges but we should contact them and then as we get super duper serious we

[57:48] have to go to the board of Selectmen right and I you have to do your travel

[57:52] and Road Show there right and but I could give them this and I'd have I

[57:57] could give all the prices all the bids and I I'm putting all of the bids in in

[58:02] that folder okay so um it can be all there and we could just give them a link

[58:07] and they can you know go and see it all any um two for one specials just out of

[58:14] curiosity you we bought two Bridges I'm thinking no but so what

[58:20] about the cost of the sh put the second one so so you want another site down

[58:25] down two in there so two Bridges where you

[58:30] create a loop you say you got four extra K

[58:33] right yeah we have 18,000 I I see where you're going um I

[58:39] would Pro we have to go I'll have to take a look at possible Bridge sites and

[58:43] see if we can get a shorter one there would be a shorter one U Matt and I or

[58:48] yeah yeah yeah one one around the corner but let's cross that bridge when we get

[58:52] there or or we could go if you wanted we could go to a three foot wide Bridge

[58:57] which would be you know cheaper as well so we could do two three Footers um so

[59:03] that's we could also I don't know if we could squeeze it

[59:07] in but it's something worth looking at but you have the the pile guy I mean you

[59:13] you could probably make your own footings and save

[59:19] 3,000 yeah but there there's liability yeah right you're saying youve liability

[59:25] part oh you could dig it out and put a a footer in there yes that's how how I see

[59:31] most of the bridges done but yeah okay not suggesting that but just like if

[59:37] there's a if there's a way we I I am not digging anything for a while okay you

[59:41] can dig a dig Lefty so what do you want The letteror Agrarian to say that we're

[59:47] considering putting a a bridge uh for what excuse me for agrarian do you want

[59:51] to wait on that uh I yeah I think we should wait on that just for a little

[59:56] bit okay so maybe we can just take one last quick look at it and then next

[1:00:03] month kind of make a decision and then start moving forward yeah I mean it'd be

[1:00:08] great if we could George wants to get this done this year that's George I

[1:00:11] thought it was a stretch goal no I mean I originally was trying to get this done

[1:00:17] for the fishing derby and that's a stretch that's not going to happen but

[1:00:21] that is not going to happen but you know I you got have goals okay I'm good

[1:00:26] anybody else got any questions nice job my concern on the bridge

[1:00:33] is erosion because uh every year we lose trees because they you know the soil

[1:00:43] gets washed away how far over would the these piles be so there they're

[1:00:50] going to be um I don't know exactly so I haven't gone in we've just done rough

[1:00:57] calculations with a tape measure we didn't so I'd have to go um put like a

[1:01:02] 25t do it for for sure we got probably at least three feet on we're at least

[1:01:08] three feet off the bank you can see the tape measure yeah so we're 3et off the

[1:01:12] BR bank I think both that okay based on the high water

[1:01:18] situation one of them looks like that would be flooded out no it wasn't cuz we

[1:01:23] it's very clear where the high water mark was that that's what I saying the

[1:01:27] the stream in that picture was only like a foot below the high water mark and and

[1:01:31] and Harry these These are 7t deep poles that go into the ground so it's a it's a

[1:01:38] 3-in pole that's augured 7 feet down or as far as he can go you know um so it

[1:01:44] would take quite a bit to erode that 7 foot pole I think fooling with Mother

[1:01:50] Nature you know true true yep I mean

[1:01:57] I don't know it's a lot of things could happen so no it it the flooding is a big

[1:02:02] concern and the force of the water so I'm more concerned about the force on

[1:02:06] the water that's why I like the arch one you at least had yes a little bit more

[1:02:12] clearance yeah but I I think if we're up I mean we're going to

[1:02:16] be above at least 2 feet above the high water Market down sticking up on top of

[1:02:22] I think it's worth talking to out who did theirs it's a really nice Bridge um

[1:02:28] it's over an area similar to that it's up a little

[1:02:32] higher um I think it's at least worth talking to them about who did it right

[1:02:37] and how much were you going to hit me with that yeah so I almost took the gav

[1:02:41] out because there's too much going on yeah so I I do have this solution right

[1:02:44] if we find another solution that works that's fine do you know what I mean I

[1:02:48] I'm not I'm not married to this but out of all my research it looks the decking

[1:02:54] on this is a non-slip Sur is that what you said right it's engineered it's like

[1:02:59] TRX type material but it's I it's semi- textured I believe okay cool but if we

[1:03:06] did that one big one and then maybe did a smaller one that was like pelum if we

[1:03:10] could find out pelum did it cheaper or put put a rope swing across the other

[1:03:15] spot okay could we maybe a zip line all right uh thank you George so we're

[1:03:20] moving forward yes we are see all right let's if I get out of this all right

[1:03:25] right back to the agenda fishing derby update once guest George okay so um I

[1:03:31] did reach out to um fishing game and they have not granted us uh the

[1:03:37] application yet and I think it's Vicky I said Vicky what's what's up you know

[1:03:42] how's it going and she said well I'm really busy this time of year and I'm

[1:03:45] working on April and you aren't until May I said okay I'm just checking um so

[1:03:50] I guess this is a busy time of year um yeah dealing with those guys you're just

[1:03:55] got to be patient yeah well I applied for the ice fishing derby one and I got

[1:03:59] it back in a couple weeks so I just wanted and she did check with me um

[1:04:05] after I submitted the application I said that we did not want it publicized and

[1:04:08] she wanted to know why um and I told her that it was you know for the kids in

[1:04:13] town and that we only have a a small area and I said we're not going to turn

[1:04:17] away anybody that comes from out of town but you know we have a limited budget

[1:04:21] we've been doing this for years blah blah blah so you know I would more wor

[1:04:25] about the permit because it's the same place that we've had it for the last I

[1:04:31] don't think they're not going to come in with helicopters and you know fish

[1:04:34] biologists coming out of the woods to shut us down be Fishers so I even if

[1:04:41] they don't come back to us I didn't say that in a public form but you know we

[1:04:46] should be fine it's your permit to release fish so oh you need it that's

[1:04:51] fine all right good uh George remind us date and time

[1:04:56] uh May the Youth Fishing Derby May 18th May 18th what was the time 8:

[1:05:03] a.m. oh you what time 8 to 11 8 to 11 yeah so I guess we're going to need

[1:05:10] to well as we get closer maybe um we'll we'll um start with the media blitz cool

[1:05:17] and the 17th you have to camp out there to guard the

[1:05:20] fish that's Harry's job you T what your job is to camp out and fend

[1:05:26] off the you and Jeff have usual don't worry

[1:05:30] we we'll take care of that I don't think Jeff right we we we had that

[1:05:36] conversation with several people the second year okay all right we good on

[1:05:42] the fishing derby yeah and I you know I'm going to be buying some supplies

[1:05:47] closer to it oh I went through all of the uh rods and reels did I tell you

[1:05:51] last time so I went through all the rods and reels um tied on all new hooks put

[1:05:55] on B bers and whatnot and so I think we have I don't know 15 or so L of reels

[1:06:01] all right I think I've got a handful of my garage that we bought last year that

[1:06:06] we never ended up using the kids little Zebco ones

[1:06:09] yeah if you have more you can drop them off and I can yep tun them

[1:06:15] up um cool all right next on the agenda community garden update George nope I

[1:06:22] got it I don't have cool slides though yeah we have our first um official

[1:06:27] meeting we've had a few at the Garden but this was our first official meeting

[1:06:31] and we invited um everybody to come to it we had eight people here and three um

[1:06:37] members thank you Matt and for showing up for that and we got two new gardeners

[1:06:43] so we went from three five we have lost one I think we're at eight gardeners

[1:06:51] have another one oo nice very happy significant other

[1:06:56] fantastic so so you're saying went through we'll have eight folks planting

[1:07:01] in the garden this year yep and I also um asked for a volunteer to man The

[1:07:06] plots and hand them out at the Garden and Denise McHugh is wonderful she did

[1:07:11] our first really goodlook um uh plot she's got I'm perplexed can you restate

[1:07:18] that what does that mean yeah what do so we have plots that the people plant in

[1:07:23] right and because Denise is down down there she's going to be giving out those

[1:07:27] plots to the people that that come in assign assign assign the plot assign the

[1:07:31] plots assign location no so the people know where to plot to plant other than

[1:07:36] that they size or how much size they need or

[1:07:40] how there's there's halves and fulls okay available right now so um we have

[1:07:45] three more fulls that are available for what I had plowed last year um and then

[1:07:50] we'll have to think about what we're going to do if we're going to bring them

[1:07:52] out further if we want to do you know 10 more or whatever we want to do so we

[1:07:57] have three that are open right now how big are the fs do you know excuse me how

[1:08:02] big are they full plot I think it's 10 x 20 is the full oh they're bigger they're

[1:08:07] bigger than that aren't they water 10 by 20 are they bigger than 10 no they're

[1:08:11] bigger than 20 think so bigger than 20 they're pretty big those go back on 30

[1:08:15] that's pretty big they're almost 20 by 30 20 by 30 okay

[1:08:21] it's like a farm no it's a foot right are you I'm sure you're going to give an

[1:08:25] up are you going to is somebody coming to um Roa till so I'm going to get

[1:08:29] through that sure um yep so that was one of the

[1:08:33] uh I I I deserve it George go ahead keep them coming keep do that um we did also

[1:08:39] have um a new person command Mr mcgibbon um it's a very K with a K MC K mcgibbon

[1:08:47] KBB McKibbon McKibben yeah McKibben Mr McKibben came in thank you he happens to

[1:08:53] be married to one of the people on the conserv ation commission however he um

[1:08:57] he has a lot of good in information he's going to be taking on irrigation so we

[1:09:02] have Denise taking care of the plot assignments we have um Mr M kibbon

[1:09:07] talking about the irrigation and getting that set up he found a pump which I had

[1:09:12] offered to buy and now no longer have to um we had um Everybody signed a lvi

[1:09:19] community gardens code of conduct which was something that was attached to the

[1:09:22] lease that we needed to do can you grow weed in the garden

[1:09:26] um at this point it doesn't say specifically no it would have to be

[1:09:31] legalized and I would say probably not though I think it would get us a lot

[1:09:35] more attention than we really want weed um but we are going to be planting peas

[1:09:39] and oats um that is a suggestion by Mr McKibben they're in my house John from

[1:09:45] Johnny selected seats okay so um he's a he's a very good member we had sponsors

[1:09:50] um show up um rockula fort from proscapes came he's

[1:09:56] going to be putting in a center garden and um Mike from chick Farm woodworking

[1:10:01] is going to be putting in the swing set um hopefully soon when he gets a little

[1:10:06] bit of downtime so the community garden is going along really well we've got

[1:10:10] I've got some help there which is really nice cool um and then because I'm not on

[1:10:14] for other that's not the only committee meeting I was at the economic

[1:10:17] development committee meeting yeah that's on here too I'll just hold on

[1:10:21] Dian any any questions on the community garden I've got one okay irrigation so

[1:10:28] he's got a pump what's your water source um the creek big white thing oh oh so no

[1:10:36] but no we're going to be bringing water into the into there and then there so

[1:10:41] you're going to be filling up the big tank and then you're going to irrigate

[1:10:44] from the tank to the okay what what kind of a pump does he have drn is it like

[1:10:49] said it was a um I I thought he found a pump on the unit didn't there is a pump

[1:10:54] on the we were going to try to work on that to fix it up so I think that's what

[1:10:59] he's talking about okay okay okay all right so I wasn't sure if

[1:11:05] it was IR when you said irrigation I thought it was you know like a hose or

[1:11:09] hoses in in the it's going to go into the G he does yep so we were he's he's

[1:11:17] great to have on the on the committee so there's actually two little there's a uh

[1:11:22] there's the pump that normon gave us with the

[1:11:25] whatever you want to call it with the tank you know and then there's

[1:11:30] another tank that was given to us that was dropped off there you know you could

[1:11:35] almost have a two pump system where that could be raised above hydraulic grade

[1:11:40] line you could actually put on P put on drip irrigation and then when it gets

[1:11:45] low it would kick on the pump fill up tank one push up the tank too distribute

[1:11:51] down I got this if we get a dry summer they're they're kind of in trouble over

[1:11:56] there we have to have something better yeah I we we'll get it get it going mik

[1:12:02] Brandon it's work on the pump the gas pump to fill up the big

[1:12:08] tank we're going to make sure that okay you guys are awesome I don't

[1:12:13] know appreciate four items from the meeting oh from the community action

[1:12:21] items the uh blueberry bushes I Trimm those

[1:12:25] took down the wire fence in the front of the lot in the

[1:12:29] post um stained all the picnic tables you did yeah with a gallon of uh stain

[1:12:38] and found the irrigation line that's located for the garden that was there

[1:12:43] from years before yeah so I showed these guys where that was so we know where the

[1:12:49] pipe is that goes into the stream oh my God now we just have to work on hitch

[1:12:55] hitching it up and oh my God awesome yeah it looks good there did the

[1:13:01] tables look really really good yeah it does thank you a star thank

[1:13:06] you cool any other questions on the community garden got a a lot a lot going

[1:13:12] on here John so we will have to figure out where to make that path down to the

[1:13:18] to the bridge cut the fence and and make the fence let me know when you want I'll

[1:13:22] meet you down did you go to that Garden meeting yes

[1:13:25] yep that's why I got action

[1:13:30] item all right I had a question on the fence yes can we I took it to upon

[1:13:36] myself to cut the fence with the bolt cutters I don't care and we're going to

[1:13:41] need to cut the fence in the for the bridge and we're also going to need to

[1:13:46] cut the fence for the irrigation system so is that that's okay okay good mhm

[1:13:55] good on that all right Diane quick overview of the economic development

[1:14:01] thing okay yeah so that was another another meeting this month um for me was

[1:14:05] the economic development committee meeting and how it pertains to

[1:14:10] conservation anything else before I start or no okay um so I sent everybody

[1:14:16] the 2024 town of litfield Economic Development survey results that we got

[1:14:21] um I spent four hours as did two of the other members and at three of the other

[1:14:26] members at the polls getting responses back on this we had I believe

[1:14:32] 1,153 respondents a lot of those came from the um the polls which was amazing

[1:14:39] to have that many responces um it pertains to conservation because it

[1:14:45] asked whether or not people wanted open space or if they wanted Economic

[1:14:49] Development or if they want what they wanted um so Jay's highlighted one of

[1:14:54] the Pages here yeah if you if you look over on the

[1:15:00] right hand side um the three large columns over

[1:15:06] there I think this is all of the respondents these are some of the

[1:15:11] critical things that they they picked uh preserve agriculture was up there I

[1:15:16] think probably in the top looks like three or four preserve Open Spaces up

[1:15:21] there which which question was this protect drinking water one of the most

[1:15:25] important issues that should be addressed in the town of Whitfield over

[1:15:28] the next five years that's control tax increases was number one so it looks

[1:15:32] like control tax increase number one drinking water number two preserve

[1:15:37] agricultural number three and it looks like a track new

[1:15:42] business and open space are up there as well

[1:15:48] for control tax increases 54 that was the

[1:15:53] highest so where does it go from from here so from here there's going to be

[1:15:58] another meeting um that we're supposed to have um to start focusing but we're

[1:16:04] not having that meeting in May it's been cancelled uh April rather it's been

[1:16:09] canceled until May so that's where we're going next on that you know what date

[1:16:15] you sent sent those today today I sent it today yeah this it's also on the the

[1:16:20] town website it yeah but I just sent it to everybody so they would have the one

[1:16:23] question I the one thing that confuses me as if you look at it control tax

[1:16:28] taxes and conservation and agriculture they they're Polar Opposites because the

[1:16:33] more conservation we take out of the tax Dole taxes are going to go up taxes open

[1:16:38] land doesn't cost you anything has cost you it doesn't cost anything but if you

[1:16:42] take it away from some other development that could bring taxes in it does cost

[1:16:46] but if you keep it as Farmland it's it's well current use probably in current use

[1:16:50] right if you can the most expensive thing to put in is housing the most

[1:16:54] expensive thing that's something that's Demand on the services yes we agree with

[1:16:57] that yeah been confused control tax part that gets me it's like I don't know how

[1:17:02] you you want businesses but we don't we're we're locking up land we can't

[1:17:06] build business businesses and then you got tax said control

[1:17:11] taxes you know so that's like you could look at that a couple of different ways

[1:17:15] we've done like a lot of research on this I have looked at I would probably

[1:17:21] say 20 studies over the past couple years about um cost for

[1:17:26] service community service study and really really interesting I'll send it

[1:17:31] around to the to the crew uh but the long and the short of it is is take a

[1:17:36] guess how much on average residential property cost the taxpayer for every

[1:17:42] dollar of taxes collected Harry for every dollar

[1:17:48] collected in taxes from a house on residential property particularly um I

[1:17:53] think I read a single family what is it cost of it saves the town $9

[1:18:03] no13 cost cost us cost res residential property you get a dollar in taxes from

[1:18:10] the residents A113 is going out that's where all the kids are if you look at um

[1:18:15] commercial it ends up dropping to like 4 cents dollar coming in 40 cents going

[1:18:22] out so you're getting you're making money you're losing money on residents

[1:18:27] you're gaining money on um on commercial or industrial I then went and did a ton

[1:18:33] of research on breaking down the residential piece and this I found only

[1:18:40] two studies that figure that had this outlined and when you break down the

[1:18:45] residential piece single family is by far like actually condos three-bedroom

[1:18:50] condos and four bedroom condos I think are the the biggest

[1:18:55] impact to the taxpayer negative impact single family negative impact when you

[1:19:01] get down to two bedroom apartments in one-bedroom apartments it tilts in the

[1:19:05] favor of the town over those kids because they don't have kids it puts you

[1:19:10] in the posit um I'll send that stuff around but I looked at many studies and

[1:19:17] I looked at unless you're looking at over 55 communities I didn't see any

[1:19:21] over over 55s on there but probably a hundred communities I looked

[1:19:27] at I found a table of a 100 communities where they did these surveys zero had a

[1:19:34] positive impact on single family residential zero zero it was wendam just

[1:19:39] did one a couple years ago do six to the dollar and I think it was Sandown uh

[1:19:45] their study was like a121 going out to every dollar coming in so yeah yeah

[1:19:51] probably the smaller so commercials better is what way better right so where

[1:19:54] do you put the commercial in this town north and south y we that's the only

[1:19:58] location we have and I think that's that's part of the challenge but we have

[1:20:02] land north and south that hasn't been built yet either so really it is I mean

[1:20:06] there's there we tried to have Baron's Warehouse come in federal the state of

[1:20:12] the federal came in and stopped that if I had the federal made it prohibitive

[1:20:16] for them to do it and they only had the one curb cut yeah they would had to

[1:20:20] share a driveway with St Francis so the state has has impacted as well putting

[1:20:26] in businesses yep agree so to say let's take the area that we're currently

[1:20:31] protected and say let's go there we haven't even finished taking care of the

[1:20:35] land that we have on North and South it's tough yeah I agree with the

[1:20:41] the the comments though it's like we want to protect agricultural character

[1:20:46] but we also want to increase the tax Bas so it seems like it's just in Conflict

[1:20:50] but it's what I said when we started that's why you guys have your committee

[1:20:53] it is and when it when we were in the committee and when we started it was

[1:20:56] agricultural businesses if you could do that I don't know how much tax impact

[1:21:00] they have for bringing back to the community but if you could get you know

[1:21:03] some Farm totable restaurants pass possibly in that actually grew some

[1:21:08] things that used normanton Farms um cows and pigs and and chickens and stuff and

[1:21:14] and grew problem is is those like don't move the needle I don't yeah they don't

[1:21:19] move the needle what's going to move the needle is an Amazon warehouse in a lower

[1:21:25] registrations and kind of light use of property would be the what move the

[1:21:28] needle we just um they're clearing three lots up up of the North End AC Crosser

[1:21:33] Ms three commercial Lots one's going to be a multi multi um use a house in the

[1:21:38] front and a warehouse in the back so that's something that's that's an

[1:21:42] existing business in town already that's going to be moving it's my understanding

[1:21:47] Joel It's Joel Jon his daughter yeah and then the other one there's a bing

[1:21:52] company that's interested in the other lot another lot coming from out town in

[1:21:55] the old sand pit there yep yeah right across from

[1:21:59] Val uh and there's you know that's where the lots are that the owner up there was

[1:22:04] interested in doing something it just has to be permitted so we have any other

[1:22:08] questions on that um the other meeting that I went to this month was the Lowa

[1:22:13] memac River Local advisory committee meeting um and it was interesting

[1:22:18] because what you were just talking about appeared on there's the a they needed an

[1:22:21] aot permit um for alteration of terrain for the sand pit um not quite sure why

[1:22:29] they really needed to be there it's nowhere near the disturbing more than

[1:22:32] 100,000 square but this is yeah this is the

[1:22:36] River Local advisory committee so but they were there and then there was

[1:22:40] somebody there um it was very interesting to hear how meramac

[1:22:44] discusses their commercial waivers as opposed to how we do I mean they have so

[1:22:51] much commercial building over there that they're you know they're happy to have

[1:22:54] scrub in between the river and and the concrete for the parking lots and stuff

[1:22:59] it's it's way different than what we look at and how much how much area we're

[1:23:04] putting between our River and and the commercial accounts that of come in so

[1:23:09] far so that's the end of what my busy week is like busy month all right I

[1:23:14] think we're we're moving on we're going to do this real quick and this is

[1:23:18] primarily for John uh goals for 2024 so each year we we set goals and um and

[1:23:25] then we try our best to achieve those goals and we set these goals for 2024

[1:23:30] they're up in our portal actually a directory for them but we've

[1:23:36] got about I don't know a dozen things on here on this list so we're going to try

[1:23:41] to try to go through these this year is that bat house the same bat house we've

[1:23:45] had around Big B house unfortunately no it's actually got a home now though

[1:23:49] right right will well that will be up this year that was a mosquito control

[1:23:53] district purchase I believe if I it's sitting in the fire

[1:23:57] station I used to move it out of the room in the back over here I couldn't

[1:24:01] believe how heavy it is so that's going finally yes it's going into the garden I

[1:24:06] want to dance you want to going into the garden shut up awesome

[1:24:11] get so much grief over let's moving on so that's

[1:24:17] that last year we were pretty good on our goals we really I think we hit just

[1:24:21] about every single one of them so nice rounding out other business property

[1:24:26] checks Property Maintenance anybody got anything oh I went to um only for trail

[1:24:34] found a pair of glasses shouldn't have put it on Facebook looks good looks good

[1:24:39] yeah it's got one log over the like the handicap access

[1:24:43] but and you had to go that way because the first time I went the that little

[1:24:47] Gully was full of water so that was good that Matt made that little

[1:24:52] U-turn that bridge was going to cost 2000 if I remember too yeah it was only

[1:24:56] like a four foot Bridge really yeah it was four planks did anybody check on the

[1:25:01] um the camera no I didn't got go bother it there was a bunch of ducks

[1:25:07] out there nice looking ducks anybody else I think oh you go to the I sent a

[1:25:13] PCT the picture after you went to the River Landing yeah I I did the tour I

[1:25:19] yeah I saw that I did U well we did Parker Park the community garden uh mors

[1:25:26] Falls I didn't walk the whole Trail but I I went down to the bottom and came

[1:25:31] back up the main trail and then um the muster field looks good and the river

[1:25:37] access you saw probably saw that report I did go look at the river axis and I

[1:25:41] looked at that leaner and I'm pretty sure we can take that out um so I've got

[1:25:47] a plan one closer to the river what the one closest to the river okay it yeah

[1:25:51] around the does a dog a little bit of a dog leg

[1:25:56] um yeah it's a the Widowmaker you think we can take that out so just with a a

[1:26:02] rope to a vehicle and um if we use the ge's left hand cut I really don't think

[1:26:09] we should talk about this on camera anymore all right we're done no but

[1:26:14] seriously it it it doesn't look that tough um we could also see if Highway

[1:26:20] can take care of it if if highway just was I caught up

[1:26:26] C right so if we if we cut it at the bottom and tie it to my truck we pull it

[1:26:31] out of the pull it out of the you know no one will be near it when we pull it

[1:26:35] out of that tree and then cut it up I don't know I can show you my plan

[1:26:41] if we okay okay all right I'll walk we should do that cuz it is kind of uh it's

[1:26:46] it's hanging over the trail we'll see if it's still up after

[1:26:49] this past storm um all right moving on quickly

[1:26:56] hopefully member input we'll go this way Mr Brunell anything nothing thank you

[1:27:01] George okay Fred no you got all mine on

[1:27:07] the well the other thing was we I went down and with George and we looked for

[1:27:12] the area to put up the fish netting that may be something that Rob

[1:27:18] could help us with because we've had problems in the

[1:27:22] past trying to keep those fish in the Stream theyve floated down to marac

[1:27:28] during the fishing derby yeah there are so we're trying to keep contain as best

[1:27:33] as possible yeah I think I think we got a good good spot yeah spot now so but it

[1:27:38] be it'd be helpful if you want yeah we could use our expertise yeah so we're

[1:27:42] going to get um a total of 400 fish delivered 200 from a fish farm and then

[1:27:47] the state is going to match 200 and so we want to keep them in a confined area

[1:27:52] for the duration of the Derby if possible so and we we have a a plan

[1:27:58] maybe George has a plan but I I can run buy take a look at your yeah

[1:28:05] thanks I don't have a PowerPoint for that

[1:28:08] though yet Joan yes I do have a hard copy of the Third Edition of Burnal

[1:28:16] pools a lot of good information in here uh I did go out to taller go drive March

[1:28:22] 14th recorded wood frogs talk to Reggie moo and his Wetland scientist Bruce

[1:28:29] gild

[1:28:33] um I I'm convinced it's a Vernal pool has to have water three to five months

[1:28:38] to have the egg masses be viable um I haven't heard back I talked to

[1:28:45] Reggie yesterday but I haven't heard back from the sign just he was going to

[1:28:48] go back out there in April just I guess check on egg masses but um wood frogs

[1:28:53] are most definitely indicated a species of a veral pool and I'm sure they were

[1:28:58] wood frogs so so if they have egg masses it counts as a Vernal pool well if they

[1:29:04] have wood they had wood frogs I have I sent the scientist my recording of the

[1:29:08] wood frogs and I don't know if he's debating whether they different kind of

[1:29:11] frogs but um and then I did oh I did send a letter to um

[1:29:16] Dees about their permit and stating that probable Vernal pool and that they

[1:29:24] should fishing I want fishing game to tell us do they want open bottom covers

[1:29:29] or the 40 foot span of CT um and I also added that in the aot

[1:29:36] report of theirs they have the property is ringed with rare turtles so I'm

[1:29:44] pretty sure that turtles will be using that veral pool he the scientist called

[1:29:48] it a red maple swamp well it can be a red maple swamp and a veral pool so

[1:29:53] things are still up in the air how will that affect them Vernal pool needs 200t

[1:29:58] buffer so obviously they don't want it to be a Vernal

[1:30:02] pool as opposed to a 50 foot buffer is that on is that one lot that would take

[1:30:08] out multiple Lots 200t nondisturbed yes oh that blows them out of the water

[1:30:14] MTI pools next to each other within that 200 buffer then that buffer extends well

[1:30:20] it's one one it's one large one it is how many Lots would it blow out no I'm

[1:30:25] saying if there's another buffer if there's another veral pool that's

[1:30:28] located within that buffer of 200 then it extends

[1:30:32] out they it goes past we've never had um the

[1:30:39] 200t buffer um applied by anyone but and I'm sure that the Wetland

[1:30:45] scientist doesn't want to be proven that he was wrong but I'll stick to my

[1:30:52] guns Happ you Diane what you I have

[1:30:58] nothing um just so you know the uh at the planning board meeting the other

[1:31:03] night we had um a consultant come in to talk us about the ms4 permitting

[1:31:10] process um I know Miss Kleiner mentioned it at the meeting um I think this is a

[1:31:15] process that um I think has to involve not just the planning board but planning

[1:31:23] conservation zoning a whole different group of people um looking at this um

[1:31:31] because it's so comprehensive um and and with

[1:31:37] um putting together our regulations um it might be a good idea

[1:31:42] maybe at some point for the Conservation Commission to get a copy of those um

[1:31:48] regulations and make recom maybe make recommendations if you guys see anything

[1:31:53] that would be of interest but I think having the conversation between

[1:31:58] everybody being in communication on the same page is going to be key to the

[1:32:02] success of of ms4 in Richfield um it's um it's a big

[1:32:08] undertaking um and I think having conservation

[1:32:15] planning zoning everybody and you know the the um Highway Department everybody

[1:32:21] should at least be know what's going on and communication wise and so at our

[1:32:28] next I think um we are going to be talking about our next planning board

[1:32:32] meeting if anyone's interested from the conservation to come to the meeting to

[1:32:36] learn about ms4 what day ises that M uh I believe it's the um May I think May

[1:32:42] 7th 17 it's not it's not on the

[1:32:48] 16th you said it 23rd third it would be the 16th

[1:32:53] the 16th yeah but are we talking about storm water on the 16th Mike I think we

[1:32:58] are I I think um we were going to talk about a little bit so so do you want me

[1:33:03] to send the latest one that Kim just sent out to everyone and it it's still

[1:33:07] not redlined so it's a little bit hard to see yeah but I think we wanted it to

[1:33:12] be red lined so that I know but the one she sent the day after the meeting's not

[1:33:17] yeah um so this is a process this is going to be an ongoing process so but I

[1:33:22] think if we get participation from conservation because it it is a thing to

[1:33:27] do with water quality and culverts and things of that nature so there are some

[1:33:32] some issues that can be addressed so that's just my um take on that

[1:33:39] so that's why Kim said she wanted to know about anything that was happening

[1:33:43] with Dara as far as the milfoil and the dees

[1:33:48] study so I'll have to keep that in mind all right uh

[1:33:54] um are you going to shoot an email regarding that I might be able to help

[1:33:58] out I I do like a lot of that stuff for a living I can I can certainly send an

[1:34:02] email I can send you um a copy of the the regulations that were proposed or

[1:34:10] what was brought to us at the planning board if you want to take a look at

[1:34:13] those um yeah we we can definitely use um your input on that all right cool

[1:34:20] Harry nothing Matt H no nothing uh I've got nothing either look at the

[1:34:27] minutes anybody else uh approval of minutes then we'll

[1:34:30] get to election of officers and we'll be out of here so or not quite but uh

[1:34:35] approval of minutes any everybody anybody get a chance to look at them I

[1:34:40] did I thought they look good yeah I looked at them they're fine that was

[1:34:44] March yeah so let me just get the date hold on a second do you anybody have

[1:34:50] that yeah March 26 7 March

[1:34:58] 7th March 7th minutes I anybody want to make a motion

[1:35:03] so moved got a motion by Diane to approve

[1:35:07] the March 7th 2024 meeting minutes second motion by Diane seconded by Harry

[1:35:14] all those in favor say I I oppos motion carries seven no no motion carries

[1:35:21] 601 601 with Mr Brunell abstaining all right that's that

[1:35:28] election of officers okay so now we this is the first meeting after the board of

[1:35:34] Selectmen made their appointments in March so we have to elect

[1:35:39] officers per the uh bylaws we have three positions chair Vice chair and secretary

[1:35:48] um as I stated last month I've been on I've been the chair for two years

[1:35:54] I'm perfectly happy to give the chair up and let somebody else do it I don't mind

[1:36:00] if if we're in a pinch and no one wants to do it I'll do it again but I would

[1:36:03] actually prefer to give it up it's you know takes a lot of time and so it's not

[1:36:08] uh for a year right it's give up for saying for a year just

[1:36:13] I'm giving it up right now and let somebody else take over I don't mind

[1:36:19] being the vice chair if I if uh want to assist or the secretary or a regular

[1:36:25] member doesn't matter to me I'm I'm good so we've got a go through the process to

[1:36:33] elect a chair I've done a lot of research on this different boards do it

[1:36:37] different ways so we would need someone to make before anybody shouts anything

[1:36:41] out we' need somebody to make a nomination and then someone would need

[1:36:45] to second that nomination and then if someone else wants to nominate somebody

[1:36:50] else they can do that at that given point in time and I think that has to

[1:36:55] also be seconded and then we would go through

[1:36:58] the voting process and we would vote for candidate number one people raise their

[1:37:03] hands and then vote for candidate number two raise their hands and whoever gets

[1:37:06] the most votes wins is that Jo I I have one question I'm an

[1:37:13] alternate right friend's an alternate we can't vote right and we so I mean we

[1:37:18] can't nominate either right right just I'm just making sure

[1:37:22] that's that's true right and we can't run and we can't run for we can't be

[1:37:28] nominated yes you could be nominated how could they be nominated I'm not a voting

[1:37:32] member oh shoot you couldn't be nominated I was nominated as a secretary

[1:37:36] before I was a member I was a a uh but someone have to give up their full-time

[1:37:41] seat if that happens no they didn't they didn't I was for two years oh yeah wow

[1:37:46] I'd go down to an alternate all right think you got any

[1:37:50] ideas I'm still learning my way around so on the on the chair so we would need

[1:37:58] a nomin I'm going to call for one in a minute and call for nominations in a

[1:38:02] minute I'm not going to make any nominations I'm not going to vote unless

[1:38:06] it's a tie I would also like the people that

[1:38:10] are nominated the personal opinion to vote for yourself if you want yourself

[1:38:16] to be the chair it can it can screw up the vote at the end if one person

[1:38:22] abstains and another person doesn't obain or something like that so I would

[1:38:26] personally just prefer just vote for yourself instead of

[1:38:30] abstaining I I will tell you I'm going tostain from the vote I I only know all

[1:38:35] you folks from what I watch you're the better ones to pick who your leadership

[1:38:39] should be and I should be involved sounds so so no one can fill I could go

[1:38:46] like you could go like this he could go like

[1:38:50] that the right place we go I'm I'm going to get my phone and take some pictures I

[1:38:55] will say this that I I put a lot of thought into this and you know we do

[1:39:01] have term limit so I do I'm at the two-year term limit so if if I did go

[1:39:06] for it it would have to be 100% um vote someone could Harry could

[1:39:11] say no and then it you know foils the whole thing up but I truly believe that

[1:39:15] this crew that we have right now is pretty darn good and we're kind of

[1:39:20] clicking on all cylinders everybody is is is putting putting the work in

[1:39:25] putting the work in in between meetings and things like that so I'm really

[1:39:29] confident you know that that we're good I just want mind stepping aside if

[1:39:33] anybody wants to nominate me for vice chair or nothing or or secretary I'm

[1:39:37] fine with doing that just wanted to take a chill pill on the uh being the the

[1:39:42] chair for time being it's a lot of time so with that I

[1:39:50] am going to open it up for nomination for

[1:39:54] chair and then I will ask if there are any other nominations and then we'll

[1:40:00] take the vote is that the way it works it sounds good sure okay so I'll

[1:40:05] entertain a motion for chair I'd like to nominate Matt as

[1:40:12] chair okay any second on that second second all right so we have a

[1:40:20] mat okay do we have any any other nominations for

[1:40:29] chair okay hearing none no other nominations for

[1:40:34] chair we'll take a vote for all those in favor of Matt being chair of the

[1:40:40] Lichfield Conservation Commission please say I I I I motion passes 1 2 3 4 52

[1:40:54] I'll stain oh okay how I'm going to recant my vote

[1:40:58] I'll vote yeah 601 6 601 I was only going to not I

[1:41:04] was only going to mistay if there's multiple people running 601

[1:41:09] congratulations Matt Matt actually now you are the chair no no not till after

[1:41:14] the election keep keep going I can do that all right nominations for hold on

[1:41:21] congratulations Matt thank you you get the

[1:41:24] gabble I'll entertain a motion for vice chair I'd like to nominate Jason as the

[1:41:31] vice chair okay all right I'll do it if I'm elected

[1:41:36] second motion by Harry seconded by Diane all those in favor say I I'll vote

[1:41:44] for myself I I I all those opposed all those

[1:41:49] abstained abstained okay you forgot to ask motion passes people for vice oh

[1:41:55] shoot anybody else for oh I think we just all voted for you we're good 601

[1:42:00] it's 61 anybody so 601 hold on anybody else

[1:42:06] have any other nominations for vice chair oh secretary I'd like to nominate

[1:42:13] Joan for secretary I'll second

[1:42:17] it got a nomination for Joan uh nominated by Diane seconded by

[1:42:23] Mr Coto Joan you good good okay all those in favor say I I oppose abstain

[1:42:30] motion passes 601 all right congratulations everybody

[1:42:36] so we got Matt you got to take over the Reigns for next meeting all right all

[1:42:40] right good uh next meeting is May 2nd

[1:42:45] 2024 so mark your calendars Matt I'll help you out you got

[1:42:50] to get together the stuff and yeah we'll get we'll get rolling on it all right

[1:42:55] sounds good all right everybody good good I'm good all

[1:42:59] right I was going to nominate Rob we already did

[1:43:04] that chairman let's see I'll entertain so we got to go into nonpublic for a

[1:43:09] couple minutes and everybody clear out of the room so you got to leave for this

[1:43:12] one this time until after you get sworn in I just heard it the other night who

[1:43:18] cooks for you huh who cooks for you I I just heard it it was down at oh you

[1:43:26] still have we do also have we do also have committees that are going to have

[1:43:31] to be taken over um we have the garden committee we have the economic

[1:43:36] development committee and we have the North River collaborative which we

[1:43:40] really don't need another person to do all right those are committees that

[1:43:45] are going to be open should we do that for this meeting or next meeting up to

[1:43:49] you anybody wants to think about it and then come do for next meeting

[1:43:53] okay yeah put it on the agenda yep all right I will uh I need to entertain a

[1:43:59] motion we need to go into non-public so the meeting has ended for the public

[1:44:03] I'll entertain a motion to go into non-public per RSA 91a colon 3D

[1:44:08] consideration of the acquisition sale or lease of or lease of

[1:44:14] real or personal property I'll entertain a motion to go and on public motion by

[1:44:19] Harry seconded sorry you want me to hang out

[1:44:22] or no you got to yeah after we'll see you after you go through the we'll see

[1:44:27] you when you come back nice to meet you SEC motion by Harry was it motion by

[1:44:32] Harry yes seconded by second seconded by Mr Coto roll call vote Matt yes Harry

[1:44:40] yes Michael Diane I'm a yes Joan yes yes Mr berell yes motion passes 70 we are

[1:44:49] now in nonpublic thank you Lichfield have a good night by

[1:44:54] all right now

Conservation Commission Meeting 4/4/24

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