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[0:21] » I call the Board uh

[0:24] of Zoning Appeals meeting to order.

[0:27] Um

[0:28] Meg, can you call the roll?

[0:31] >> Sure.

[0:33] Uh

[0:35] Seth McCormick?

[0:36] >> Here.

[0:37] >> Charlie Goodall?

[0:38] John Mingle?

[0:39] >> Here.

[0:41] >> Fred Woods is absent and Bob LaMee is

[0:43] absent. Or is anybody on Zoom?

[0:47] And then Attorney Willoughby is here.

[0:49] And that concludes roll.

[0:52] >> Okay.

[0:52] Can we all stand for the Pledge of

[0:54] Allegiance?

[0:58] » Okay.

[0:59] >> I pledge allegiance

[1:00] >> to the flag of the United States of

[1:02] America, and to the republic for which

[1:05] it stands, one nation under God,

[1:08] indivisible, with liberty and justice

[1:11] for all.

[1:19] » Okay, for for old business,

[1:22] um

[1:23] we have uh consideration of the written

[1:26] findings and facts for the public

[1:28] hearing on the William and Mary Buckley

[1:30] 2011 Juneway

[1:32] uh drive petition that was granted last

[1:36] meeting.

[1:38] Um I'll open the floor to discussion

[1:40] about uh

[1:41] >> Do you want to approve minutes real

[1:42] quick?

[1:44] >> Did I skip that?

[1:45] >> Yeah.

[1:45] >> I think

[1:47] >> Sorry to interrupt.

[1:48] >> read my own agenda.

[1:50] >> I move to approve minutes of last month.

[1:52] >> I second it.

[1:54] >> All in favor say I. I.

[1:57] >> So it passes.

[2:00] Now on to old business.

[2:02] So again, um I'll open the floor to

[2:04] discussion regarding

[2:06] um the findings and facts as proposed.

[2:09] Um and if anybody have has any changes

[2:11] or or wants to make a motion to approve,

[2:13] we can we can go from there.

[2:16] Did Did every Does everybody have a copy

[2:18] of

[2:21] » I I can go print them if you need them.

[2:23] >> Here. You guys have them in like

[2:25] >> I

[2:25] >> They were circu- They were circulated by

[2:27] email, I think earlier today.

[2:30] >> Would you like the hard copy? Does

[2:32] anybody need it?

[2:33] >> Yeah. Here. Well

[2:34] >> You were able to look at it?

[2:35] >> Yeah, you can read this one. I've read

[2:37] it.

[2:37] >> Oh.

[2:38] >> And Charlie can read that one.

[2:39] >> Okay.

[2:40] >> So we'll take a second.

[3:45] Okay.

[3:46] >> Pretty much as we discussed last

[3:47] >> I agree.

[3:48] >> last month, right?

[3:49] >> Okay.

[3:50] So I'll I'll uh entertain a motion to

[3:52] approve um um

[3:55] these findings and decisions.

[3:57] >> Second.

[3:59] >> All in favor say aye.

[4:00] >> Aye.

[4:01] >> Okay, so we'll need to sign that

[4:02] original copy

[4:04] um

[4:05] before you leave. And so, that we can

[4:07] get it to uh

[4:09] the petitioners and so they can take it

[4:11] to the building commission.

[4:14] All right.

[4:21] So, now moving on, we have um

[4:25] the preliminary hearing um for John

[4:28] Smith at 1701 Story Avenue.

[4:31] Um Meg, would you like to read the um

[4:34] the summary of the of the of the of the

[4:36] petition into the record.

[4:41] » John Smith, 1701 Story use and

[4:43] development standard variance petition

[4:45] requesting variance from the

[4:47] requirements of section 154.052,

[4:50] construction and location standards for

[4:51] accessory uses and structures, and

[4:54] section 154.057,

[4:57] schedule of district regulations

[4:59] for setback height, zoning lot size, and

[5:01] coverage. Petitioners seeking to replace

[5:04] an existing shed and lean-to.

[5:06] And the preliminary hearing is set to

[5:08] open this evening.

[5:09] >> Sorry.

[5:12] >> For the record, Fred Woods is now in

[5:14] attendance, and I didn't include a

[5:16] building representative, Joyce Schmidt,

[5:18] in the original roll call either, who is

[5:20] also present in the audience.

[5:25] So, I'll hand it back to you, Seth.

[5:27] >> Okay.

[5:28] So, how this works is it's a little

[5:30] weird of setup. You have to go up to the

[5:31] podium. Um you have to and you're you're

[5:34] the builder, right?

[5:35] >> Yes.

[5:35] >> Okay. So, just state your name. Um are

[5:38] you the are you the one presenting?

[5:40] Are you the one going to give kind of

[5:42] like Okay. Uh

[5:48] Mhm. Okay.

[5:57] So, what you'll have to do is

[5:59] you'll have to go up to the podium and

[6:01] then you'll just state your name and

[6:02] your address

[6:03] and then the floor is yours in terms of

[6:05] the presentation and then after he's

[6:07] finished you can go up there and just

[6:08] state your name

[6:10] and we'll go from there. Okay? And you

[6:12] have to push

[6:14] there's a little button at the base here

[6:15] that says push and a little green light

[6:17] should come on

[6:19] to make sure your microphone's on that

[6:21] way that record is

[6:27] the bar

[6:27] >> It's the long bottom.

[6:29] >> It's a bar that goes across the bottom.

[6:32] Oh, I got it. Okay. There you go.

[6:35] Am I live?

[6:37] We don't know.

[6:39] But but I the Zoom people may know.

[6:42] Okay, green light?

[6:43] That's green light. Then you're then

[6:45] it's on.

[6:46] >> And you're Okay, great. There you go.

[6:47] >> Thanks. Yeah, no, I appreciate you all

[6:49] coming to the tonight.

[6:51] I hope you had power and

[6:53] didn't have big trees down like a lot of

[6:56] people in our neighborhood.

[6:57] And I want to thank Larry Wall in

[7:00] particular for

[7:02] his guidance early on in this petition

[7:05] or

[7:06] what do I call it a

[7:08] request.

[7:09] >> Mhm.

[7:10] >> Uh

[7:12] He came to the house and gave a lot of

[7:13] good advice and Meg was really helpful

[7:16] in digging out papers for us and

[7:18] appreciate all of them.

[7:20] Um

[7:22] So, I'll give you some background

[7:24] information

[7:26] and then

[7:27] uh

[7:28] I'll show how our topography

[7:32] lot topography dictates where the garage

[7:34] must be placed.

[7:37] And

[7:39] finally I'll explain why the garage is

[7:41] necessary. Then Bob

[7:43] Bartel will get up and show you the

[7:45] drawings and whatever

[7:47] of the plans.

[7:50] So, we're at 1701 Story Avenue in Long

[7:53] Beach.

[7:54] Uh Story Avenue, even though it's an

[7:56] avenue, only has four homes.

[7:59] And ours is one of them. Our house was

[8:02] built in 1941.

[8:05] It's a split log

[8:07] uh cabin that we just love.

[8:10] And and uh

[8:16] So, I just want You guys may have

[8:18] already a copy of this survey.

[8:21] I see some of you have them.

[8:24] But

[8:25] Did everybody get one?

[8:27] Okay, so you can see that

[8:29] uh

[8:33] I don't know if

[8:34] Okay, so you can see our house.

[8:37] It's in

[8:39] This guy here is the current shed.

[8:42] But

[8:43] And it's all in the back.

[8:46] Like I told you guys earlier.

[8:49] Uh are the um

[8:53] dunes that's behind us. I mean, it's

[8:56] pretty, but it's quite fast rising.

[8:58] And even though we have We have

[9:00] basically two lots.

[9:02] There's a lot of width here,

[9:04] but not depth.

[9:06] So, that's why we're limited to

[9:09] basically where the shed is

[9:12] uh to to put a garage.

[9:14] And

[9:16] uh our plan is to replace the shed with

[9:19] the garage.

[9:21] The shed's been there for a number of

[9:23] years.

[9:26] Okay, so you guys have all that stuff.

[9:37] I got some notes here. Sorry.

[9:41] Okay. Now, as to why we need the garage.

[9:43] Over the years,

[9:45] we've weathered seemingly

[9:47] annual

[9:49] uh

[9:50] dents from the uh limbs of the oak

[9:53] trees. So, you guys all know that

[9:55] they're very heavy

[9:56] uh falling on our cars. And we just kind

[9:59] of

[10:00] suffer through that. But, 2 or 3 years

[10:02] ago, we had

[10:04] a hail storm.

[10:06] I don't know if you remember it or not.

[10:07] Big hail.

[10:08] We had over $3,000 of the damage in our

[10:10] cars. And that was the kind of the last

[10:12] straw.

[10:13] We realized we needed a garage.

[10:16] That's why we're we're respectfully

[10:18] requesting a garage building permit

[10:21] to protect our vehicles from future

[10:22] damage.

[10:25] And as I said, it would be built in the

[10:26] place of the existing sheds.

[10:30] And the setback

[10:32] You see the

[10:34] setback of the house

[10:36] is here.

[10:38] And actually, the house is pretty close

[10:40] to the road as it is. And we made sure

[10:42] that the shed setback was the same as

[10:45] the house setback.

[10:47] And we would do that for the garage as

[10:48] well. So, it wouldn't be any closer to the

[10:51] road than the existing shed.

[10:58] And uh let's see.

[11:02] We're going to make sure the

[11:03] architecture of the uh garage

[11:07] matches that of the house. So, it's

[11:09] going to be brown split log.

[11:11] Uh and

[11:13] as such, we think it will increase the

[11:15] value of our

[11:16] property and also our neighbors'

[11:18] property.

[11:19] Certainly the neighbors on Story Avenue

[11:21] and probably others nearby.

[11:25] It'll It'll It'll just look good.

[11:28] And I am done.

[11:31] Uh

[11:32] unless you have a question of me, I'm

[11:33] going to turn it over to Bob.

[11:37] I think we're good.

[11:38] >> Anyone have a question?

[11:41] >> I just want to make sure that

[11:43] the current setback is 15

[11:46] on the plan.

[11:48] >> The from what I'm reading on the plot of

[11:49] the current setback of the shed is 15 ft

[11:53] and the front and it sort of I walk by

[11:55] it there's the entrance to the shed is

[11:57] all So, if you're looking straight onto

[11:58] it, it's over sort of the right.

[12:00] >> Yes. Right. That would be that was me.

[12:08] » Um, yeah, but but so the the front of

[12:12] the garage the garage door will be 15 ft

[12:15] and be directly towards Story Ave,

[12:18] right? That's what I read read this.

[12:20] Okay.

[12:21] So, no different in setback, but your

[12:24] entrance will change from the right as

[12:26] you're looking at it.

[12:27] >> Yes.

[12:27] >> To the front.

[12:28] >> Exactly.

[12:29] >> Got it. Okay.

[12:31] Thank you.

[12:32] >> You bet. Anything else?

[12:35] Okay, Bob.

[12:37] >> Uh, what one more thing. Which line on

[12:40] this

[12:41] on the topographical portion uh, most

[12:45] similarly represents the uh,

[12:48] landscaping stones that are

[12:51] >> Oh, the landscaping

[12:52] >> Would that be this line right here?

[12:56] No, no, no, the ones that go around

[12:58] right now they wrap around the back of

[13:00] the uh,

[13:01] >> Could be about right, Bob. More like

[13:03] right here.

[13:03] >> So, so it's in here?

[13:05] >> Yeah.

[13:06] >> Okay.

[13:07] >> We'll have to dig out a little bit of

[13:08] the dome

[13:09] and we'll have a concrete wall in the

[13:11] back so it acts as a retention wall.

[13:14] You know, it's dressed and everything,

[13:16] but it it it it will sit back in the

[13:18] village.

[13:19] >> So, those those stones you would

[13:21] you'd lift those out of there?

[13:26] Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go up there.

[13:29] >> Yeah, I'm sorry.

[13:30] Uh

[13:31] yes, uh it'd be

[13:33] the elevation of the new

[13:35] >> state your name for the record?

[13:36] >> Oh, my name is Robert Barfell with uh

[13:38] Chicago Renovators.

[13:39] >> Okay.

[13:40] >> And uh the new elevation of concrete

[13:43] floor would be about the same elevation

[13:45] as the existing shed.

[13:48] Pretty much. So, it won't be up higher.

[13:51] It's just that we're seeking uh

[13:54] a variance for the setback cuz if we

[13:57] were stuck with a 30-ft setback, it'd be

[14:00] buried in the dune, you know, and we

[14:02] just, you know, that's why we're asking

[14:04] for a variance.

[14:05] >> Imagine.

[14:07] >> And then instead of it being a shed,

[14:09] it's it would be a garage.

[14:11] And stuff, so that's why we're asking

[14:14] for this variance.

[14:17] But it the architecture will be

[14:20] uh matching the existing house. We'll

[14:22] keep that continuous and everything. And

[14:26] uh we will have We're We're not tucking

[14:27] up uh

[14:29] we're not past the limit of the

[14:32] lot coverage.

[14:34] There, I think we're at 30%

[14:36] per that drawing that uh

[14:38] that you that you

[14:39] >> Is the lot coverage analysis on this

[14:41] drawing?

[14:43] >> Yeah.

[14:44] It's on the

[14:48] » 26.76%

[14:53] You know, with with proposed patio

[14:54] extension.

[14:55] >> It's that

[14:57] little square at the top of the drawing

[14:59] of the site plan.

[15:14] » Right.

[15:15] >> Yeah.

[15:17] yeah. No, I'm I got it. Yeah.

[15:19] >> Yeah, so so we're at 30% of the of lot

[15:22] coverage.

[15:23] Not 35.

[15:24] >> And and what does that include?

[15:26] >> That includes our our new driveway.

[15:29] It includes the existing residence.

[15:32] And the garage itself.

[15:34] >> Okay. And all the patios and walkways

[15:37] and all the landscaping

[15:39] stones and

[15:40] >> Right.

[15:41] >> Yeah, cuz I mean the the lot coverage

[15:44] calculation has to include like where

[15:46] you have the flagstone walk

[15:49] over here and over here. And then it

[15:50] sounds like you're trying to I mean

[15:51] you're not here for the new kitchen, but

[15:53] the new kitchen has to be added into

[15:54] that. A deck has to be added to that.

[15:56] >> I I did that the first time.

[15:58] >> Okay.

[15:59] >> We made a presentation.

[16:11] » Okay.

[16:17] I just want to add one other thing. Uh

[16:19] around the existing shed we've got a big

[16:22] platform of stone.

[16:24] That's all going to be gone.

[16:25] >> Okay.

[16:26] Well, and I mean we're we're asking this

[16:28] question cuz I I I don't know um when

[16:30] the last time someone from the building

[16:32] commission was out there, but there was

[16:33] some concern that there would be a lot

[16:35] coverage issue. And so, um if you're

[16:38] here with us now

[16:40] >> Yes.

[16:40] >> you should be asking for I mean if

[16:41] there's going to be a lot coverage

[16:42] issue, you should be asking for that

[16:44] variance now.

[16:45] Um because if there is a lot coverage

[16:47] issue, let's assume we grant your

[16:49] petition, right?

[16:50] >> Yes.

[16:50] >> And we only grant what you asked for.

[16:52] Um so, if there is a lot coverage

[16:55] issue, you're going to have to come back

[16:56] to us for that variance as well. So,

[16:59] that's why I'm asking the question and I

[17:00] just want to make sure that you guys are

[17:02] you know

[17:03] >> Lot coverage is not the our problem.

[17:05] >> Okay.

[17:05] >> The problem is the 30-ft setback.

[17:07] >> Okay.

[17:07] >> Yeah.

[17:10] » And what's the distance from the back of

[17:12] the garage to the lot line?

[17:16] » Uh

[17:25] The front of the garage is going to be

[17:26] at 15 ft from the road.

[17:29] >> Yeah, I got that.

[17:30] >> the the depth of the garage is 26 ft.

[17:33] >> Okay.

[17:34] >> by 26.

[17:35] >> And then from the back of the garage to

[17:37] the

[17:39] rear lot line is what?

[17:41] >> Oh.

[17:43] Uh

[17:44] you know Oh.

[17:51] » You know the number now, but it's a long

[17:52] ways.

[17:53] >> At least 20 ft, but

[17:55] >> Oh. Oh, yeah.

[17:55] >> More than 20 ft.

[17:57] >> Yeah.

[18:00] I believe it's 40 ft.

[18:02] >> Well, I mean if this is 48.4, then

[18:05] that's only going to be at most 22,

[18:06] right?

[18:07] >> Yeah, this is 26.

[18:10] >> Yeah, that's going to be So, it'd be

[18:11] less than 22, right?

[18:12] >> Yeah, I'm thinking it's more like

[18:15] 18 or

[18:16] >> Yeah.

[18:16] >> Something like that.

[18:17] >> Yeah, you're But that's nearly straight

[18:18] up, right?

[18:19] >> Almost.

[18:21] >> Yeah.

[18:25] so uh

[18:27] And the issue here is that that distance

[18:30] is

[18:32] also an issue, too.

[18:33] >> Right.

[18:34] >> Uh for the rear setback.

[18:36] Um beyond that is um there's a house up

[18:39] there.

[18:39] >> Right.

[18:40] >> And that house

[18:43] also needs to

[18:45] not have issues over uh

[18:48] this activity.

[18:49] >> Right.

[18:50] >> And it could. So, how do What's the uh

[18:53] notion as to how you protect that house

[18:55] while this is going on? And what will

[18:58] you do to um actually secure the dune?

[19:01] Are you going to Are you going to drive

[19:03] piling?

[19:04] >> No, we don't need to drive piling in at

[19:06] all.

[19:06] >> Okay.

[19:06] >> We're we're just simply going to

[19:08] excavate. I'm trying to keep the the

[19:10] elevation floor

[19:12] as high as we can we don't have to dig

[19:14] out that much but we will be putting a

[19:16] concrete wall on the on the back wall

[19:19] and then backfilling against that so we

[19:21] won't have erosion

[19:23] and we'll probably end up taking taking

[19:26] out a couple small trees

[19:29] >> It looks like two trees got to go.

[19:30] >> Right, in front and on the side.

[19:33] >> Um

[19:35] so that con rear concrete wall will that

[19:38] be full height?

[19:39] >> Yes.

[19:40] Yeah, that'll be

[19:43] about an 8-ft wall

[19:44] >> minimum.

[19:54] Will that be taller than the garage? In

[19:56] other words, will that go up into the

[19:59] gable end or

[20:00] >> No, but I don't see that we need need to

[20:02] do that.

[20:19] » Have you talked [clears throat] to your

[20:20] neighbor has have there's been

[20:22] discussions with the neighbor above

[20:23] about the plans?

[20:26] >> No, we haven't made that presentation

[20:28] yet.

[20:28] >> Okay.

[20:29] >> I thought that was what we did at the

[20:31] next meeting.

[20:37] » Will the garage have a second floor and

[20:38] is that a living area?

[20:40] >> Storage area.

[20:42] >> Yeah, unfinished.

[20:43] Storage area.

[20:51] » And the gable runs which way?

[20:54] >> Uh

[20:55] according to the plan it's going to run

[20:57] north and south.

[20:59] >> So parallel to the story.

[21:01] >> Yes.

[21:02] >> So the ridge board will go this way.

[21:05] >> Yeah.

[21:06] So sorry, believe you you got some

[21:08] drawings in front of you right there Mr.

[21:10] Woods.

[21:11] You can see the elevation

[21:13] there.

[21:16] >> We haven't seen those.

[21:17] >> Oh.

[21:49] The back of the garage is elevation

[21:54] for the contour

[21:56] is at 640.

[21:58] And so we are going to be

[22:02] >> [clears throat]

[22:02] >> excuse me

[22:04] at the elevation of

[22:08] 638

[22:10] for the floor.

[22:24] So we should have about 2 ft of concrete

[22:27] sticking up out of that that doing it on

[22:29] the back wall.

[22:32] And that'll be of course reinforced

[22:34] concrete.

[22:36] 10 in wide, 8 in wide.

[22:40] » Does this elevation just a mirror image

[22:42] of this or

[22:43] >> Oh, you got it.

[22:49] I touched the east

[22:51] at road.

[22:52] >> I got tricked there as to what the

[22:54] directions were.

[23:56] » Now, this is very very likely 16 ft.

[24:02] Right there.

[24:03] >> Yeah.

[24:05] >> It's almost exactly the same as this

[24:08] measurement.

[24:09] >> Okay.

[24:21] I guess we're asking for front yard and

[24:23] back yard

[24:25] variants.

[24:28] Is there a minimum for a back yard?

[24:31] >> Um I'd I'd I'd have to look at the code.

[24:34] Um I mean the the the 30

[24:37] ft front setback is in 154.

[24:42] 052. Um

[24:46] and then the the rear setbacks are in a

[24:48] different part of the code. They're in

[24:49] the appendix and I don't have a printout

[24:51] with that with me.

[24:54] Do what?

[24:56] >> 20 ft?

[24:59] » From

[25:00] >> the zoning district

[25:02] residential

[25:03] >> Okay.

[25:04] So, yeah, one we'll need to see

[25:07] the length from the back of the garage

[25:11] to the rear property line.

[25:13] Um

[25:14] and you'll you know, you'll need to ask

[25:16] for a variance for the benefits under 20

[25:18] ft.

[25:18] >> Okay.

[25:19] >> Sure. Yeah.

[25:20] >> Um

[25:28] » Well, if you

[25:30] Yeah, if you scale the drawing, it's we're probably going to be a little

[25:33] less than 20 ft.

[25:34] >> Okay.

[25:36] So, just I mean, and you know, we would permit you to like ask for that

[25:41] variance as well.

[25:42] >> Okay.

[25:42] >> Um you'd have to you'd have to

[25:43] essentially amend your petition.

[25:46] Um but there as long as you meet the

[25:47] notice requirements, then that's

[25:50] allowed.

[25:51] Um so, do that work pretty quickly. Um

[25:54] and and and then you don't you don't

[25:55] need to submit anything. You can submit

[25:57] an amended application, but like by the

[25:59] public hearing, we'd want to be able to

[26:00] see that.

[26:01] >> Would you like to see a section with

[26:03] doing coming down and the elevations of

[26:06] the grades there as I have?

[26:09] >> Yeah, that that would have that would be

[26:10] helpful.

[26:10] >> Yeah, we can do that. Sure.

[26:12] >> Okay.

[26:13] >> Seth, it needs to be prior to the public

[26:15] hearing, 2 weeks by the deadline.

[26:18] >> Right. The amended application would

[26:19] need to be right. But I mean, like yeah,

[26:21] okay. So, let's get this straight cuz I

[26:24] may have just misspoke and I want to

[26:25] make sure it's clear. You'd have to

[26:27] submit the amended application at least

[26:29] 2 weeks before the public hearing. That

[26:31] would need to contain all of the

[26:32] documents that we're asking for.

[26:34] >> Sure.

[26:34] >> Um

[26:35] you know, our you know, the evidence of

[26:38] how far it is from the rear to the the

[26:41] rear of the garage the proposed garage

[26:43] to the rear of the lot line.

[26:44] >> Okay.

[26:45] Um and then that way we could have time

[26:47] to review it so we could ask you again

[26:49] questions about it if we had questions

[26:50] at the public.

[26:51] >> Okay.

[26:52] >> Sure.

[26:57] » Yeah, well

[26:58] we'll determine that when we go out

[27:00] there and actually measure it.

[27:03] >> Well, I I guess I would have

[27:06] I'm basing my comment on uh

[27:09] Mr. Tate's drawing.

[27:12] Tate.

[27:14] So, uh

[27:16] Tate. Yeah.

[27:19] to the extent that

[27:21] he's not to scale, uh I suppose it could

[27:24] be anything.

[27:35] » [clears throat]

[27:37] » Yeah, I I saw the stakes.

[27:40] Yeah.

[27:44] But, you need to know that now. You you

[27:46] don't need to know that when uh

[27:48] you start tearing things apart and say,

[27:50] "Oh, look at this."

[28:01] » It'll be close, cuz if you're you got 48

[28:04] and 1/2 over here, I mean

[28:08] with the drawing, it just it looks

[28:09] tight.

[28:13] » I scale.

[28:15] >> Yeah.

[28:17] there's Yeah, there's no reason

[28:18] for us all to debate it. They've got

[28:20] scientific tools that can show us. So,

[28:23] um

[28:25] Okay. Um does anybody have any further

[28:28] questions?

[28:32] » I think somebody should review the lot

[28:33] coverage and make sure that uh all the

[28:36] pieces have been covered. And

[28:37] understanding that uh

[28:39] she made the point that

[28:41] some of it is going to get gobbled up

[28:43] with the the garage anyway.

[28:45] >> Yeah.

[28:45] >> So, uh the added amount might not be

[28:47] that big, but

[28:48] all this stuff in here is pretty well uh

[28:52] covered even though it's uh

[28:55] got stuff on it. Yeah.

[28:58] Okay.

[29:00] >> And so you want to change the lot

[29:02] coverage.

[29:03] >> No, I don't want to change it. I would just want it to be

[29:06] right.

[29:07] >> Okay.

[29:07] >> No, what I what I base my these

[29:09] calculations on up here is on the

[29:12] drawing where

[29:13] you see that there it shows the deck

[29:15] previously.

[29:16] We haven't they've built a kitchen on

[29:19] there and that part of their patios

[29:21] there, so I based that on Tate's criteria.

[29:26] >> Yeah, whatever it is, it is. I

[29:28] >> Right, yeah. And then

[29:30] I subtracted for the shed, the existing

[29:32] shed.

[29:33] >> Yeah, I get it.

[29:34] >> We just, yeah, added, you know, the

[29:36] difference.

[29:37] >> Um if anything's missing, it's right

[29:39] here, I would assume. Yeah. So that's

[29:42] that is in the

[29:44] as part of the ordinance.

[29:53] When when this

[29:56] What does the east elevation look like

[30:00] with uh the backdrop of the property

[30:02] behind it?

[30:04] >> I didn't

[30:05] uh

[30:07] I don't think I have the elevation

[30:08] right.

[30:09] >> Um

[30:10] it's not

[30:12] >> Maybe that east elevation somebody could

[30:14] just take some shots and put some

[30:16] reference lines on it to say Okay, this

[30:18] is you know, top of the hill or whatever

[30:21] it is.

[30:21] >> Yeah.

[30:22] >> This is the house behind it or

[30:24] >> Okay.

[30:24] >> whatever.

[30:29] » Okay.

[30:32] All right, so um

[30:34] we can move this onto public hearing, so

[30:37] it can happen next month.

[30:40] The alternative is

[30:42] um you know, you could

[30:44] go do your homework and come back for a

[30:46] preliminary hearing and then go to, you

[30:48] know, go to a public hearing the

[30:49] following month.

[30:51] Um, because the timetable, the 2-week

[30:53] timetable is very real. Um, and so it,

[30:56] you know, I I will vote how we vote,

[30:59] but, uh,

[31:00] you know,

[31:01] um, if you want to make that decision

[31:03] now, I mean, I mean, if you want us to

[31:04] start voting on whether it should go to

[31:05] public hearing, that's fine. If you want

[31:08] to postpone, you know, continue this

[31:10] here this preliminary hearing till next

[31:12] month to see if you need to do at make

[31:15] any more of requests, that's fine, too.

[31:17] Um,

[31:18] so we'll follow your lead on that.

[31:20] >> No, we should be good. I I produce, uh,

[31:22] the information 2 weeks prior to the

[31:23] next meeting.

[31:24] >> Okay.

[31:30] Um, the date of the public hearing, do

[31:32] you have that?

[31:33] >> I can look it up on my phone.

[31:35] In a month, I believe.

[31:36] >> It's a I mean, it's the next

[31:38] >> It's September 9th.

[31:41] And And Bob, you can any amended pages

[31:45] could can be submitted. You do not need

[31:47] to do the entire, if the drawing is

[31:49] going to be amended at all, you would

[31:51] resubmit that.

[31:52] >> Okay.

[31:52] >> And any documents, but you don't have to

[31:54] do all of them.

[31:55] >> Right.

[31:55] >> Just any amended ones.

[31:57] >> Okay.

[31:57] >> Thanks.

[31:58] >> Yeah, so it's, you know, 29 days from

[32:00] now.

[32:01] >> Okay.

[32:03] Um, okay.

[32:05] All right. Well, then we'll we will

[32:06] close the preliminary unless you have

[32:08] more you want to say.

[32:09] Okay. Does anybody else have any any

[32:11] comments or questions before we discuss

[32:12] it?

[32:16] Okay. So, we'll close the preliminary

[32:17] hearing and then we can have our

[32:19] discussion. We can vote to

[32:21] um, move this on to public hearing or we

[32:23] can,

[32:25] um,

[32:26] you know, request additional

[32:28] information.

[32:31] I say that moving on to public hearing.

[32:34] >> Yeah. It's is a not a not a further

[32:36] preliminary hearing. I uh

[32:39] >> I think we actually need a little bit

[32:40] more information.

[32:42] >> Okay.

[32:43] >> That's my opinion.

[32:46] » And is it Okay. And is it You would

[32:48] propose then to delay this? Or

[32:51] >> Yeah, come back with the rest of the information and see

[32:55] where we're at.

[32:56] I don't know.

[32:56] >> Right.

[32:57] >> Okay.

[32:58] >> Or I guess we can do it at that time,

[33:00] too. We can move just move it ahead if

[33:02] you want.

[33:04] >> Well, no. I mean, I think I think this

[33:05] is this is one of those you know,

[33:07] scenarios where like

[33:09] uh you know, we we do feel like we need

[33:12] more information, right?

[33:13] >> Um that the they have the opportunity to

[33:16] provide it to us at the before the

[33:17] public hearing.

[33:19] Um but then if we don't have it, then

[33:21] we're either denying the petition

[33:23] because we don't have the information we

[33:25] need and it's their burden of proof to

[33:26] establish it, or we're continuing the

[33:28] public hearing

[33:30] so that they can provide the

[33:31] information. Um

[33:33] so if you'd rather have you know, this

[33:35] is really a the preliminary hearing is

[33:37] really for them to get a preview. In my

[33:39] view, it's to get a preview of what

[33:40] we're going to do at the public hearing.

[33:43] Um

[33:45] but if if you if you're not comfortable

[33:46] moving this to public hearing without

[33:48] the information we have, then that's our

[33:50] I mean, that's our prerogative and

[33:51] that's our decision.

[33:52] >> Would I be supplying that additional

[33:54] information like 2 weeks before the

[33:56] public hearing?

[33:57] >> Well, that's the question, right?

[33:59] >> right.

[34:00] >> I got you.

[34:04] Yeah, I mean, I think we clearly can't

[34:06] make a

[34:06] If this was a public hearing, we really

[34:08] we could not make a decision right now,

[34:10] right?

[34:11] So, we'd be faced

[34:11] >> kind of my thought.

[34:16] » I I'm clear at the with the information

[34:20] with the exception of that the back, you

[34:23] know, setback, which we'll just find

[34:25] out.

[34:25] >> Right.

[34:26] >> You know, what it whether you're going

[34:27] to need a variance or not, that's that's

[34:28] pretty binary. You're they're going to

[34:29] need it or you're not.

[34:30] >> Sure.

[34:31] >> Yeah. Um and lot coverage, which it

[34:33] looks like you're well within limits,

[34:35] but we we just need a a definitive

[34:37] number on. So, I'm I'm pretty clear if if but it'll be incumbent upon you to

[34:42] make sure we get that information.

[34:45] >> Okay.

[34:46] >> Yeah, and I mean, my my thought would be

[34:48] is if you're very confident that you can

[34:50] get us this information,

[34:52] um, I would I would

[34:55] be okay with moving it on to public

[34:56] hearing, but if you don't get it in on

[34:59] time or you don't get it to us, then we

[35:01] shouldn't move you know, we're going to

[35:03] have to continue it.

[35:04] >> Right.

[35:05] To the next month or whatever.

[35:08] Yeah, well, give just give us a chance

[35:10] to get it 2 weeks before the public

[35:12] hearing and

[35:13] we'll go from there.

[35:16] That's all right with you guys.

[35:18] >> Well, if you set it for public hearing,

[35:20] you have other timeline requirements for

[35:23] the paper notice, uh, and then the

[35:26] mailing to neighbors.

[35:28] >> Right.

[35:29] >> So, you've got to get all of that going

[35:31] >> Right.

[35:31] >> at at kind of the same time.

[35:33] >> As well.

[35:34] >> If you feel confident in that.

[35:36] >> Yeah.

[35:37] >> So, the 2-week deadline, that is not

[35:39] your only, uh, deadline that you'll have

[35:41] for the public hearing.

[35:43] >> Okay.

[35:43] >> So, just keep that in mind.

[35:49] » John and Joan, do you you guys

[35:50] understand?

[36:09] » Well,

[36:09] >> Yeah, it's just an for a variance for

[36:11] the for the setback for the front.

[36:13] >> Right.

[36:14] >> If your building also require and what

[36:16] you know, that's that's one thing we can

[36:18] approve, but if you also need a setback

[36:20] for the back,

[36:21] >> Right.

[36:22] >> that that doesn't come included.

[36:24] You have to ask for both of them.

[36:26] And if you don't ask for both and you

[36:27] start building your garage, you're going

[36:28] to be out of compliance.

[36:30] >> Well, yeah, well, worse, you're not

[36:32] going to get a permit, right? You're

[36:33] going to be back at the building

[36:34] commission, and they're going to deny

[36:35] the permit because you don't have a

[36:36] variance.

[36:38] This is really more belts and suspenders

[36:40] than it is anything else.

[36:43] If it's necessary.

[36:44] >> We're not sure.

[36:45] >> Or we already got

[36:46] >> Wasn't on the

[36:47] >> It

[36:47] doesn't show us that, but if you scale

[36:50] off of that print, it would suggest that

[36:53] you you need that.

[36:55] Uh

[36:57] the print might be not to scale.

[37:00] In which case, okay.

[37:02] That's fine.

[37:04] Yeah.

[37:09] Sure it does.

[37:14] But it's got the garage right on it.

[37:15] It's It's got the garage right on top of

[37:17] the old shed.

[37:18] >> He's got the future. Yeah, proposed.

[37:21] >> It's right.

[37:23] I just did a rough math on my phone. If I could If you guys don't mind.

[37:29] Speaking [clears throat] from that that

[37:31] outline, that's a 48.4

[37:35] across. I just subtracted the amount of

[37:37] the 26-ft garage, and what looks to be

[37:40] about 3 ft of the front driveway,

[37:44] and we're at 19 and 1/2 ft right now.

[37:47] >> Yeah.

[37:48] >> So, if we

[37:49] need to make the garage 25 ft or whatever, we can do

[37:53] that, too.

[37:55] That would be within that 20 ft.

[37:57] Correct?

[37:58] >> Well,

[37:59] whatever, you just want to ask for what you need.

[38:04] Sure.

[38:05] So,

[38:07] >> But if they're saying right now that

[38:09] they'll adjust the

[38:11] construction details

[38:13] based upon the rear setback. I mean, I

[38:15] That's

[38:15] >> Then you won't need a variance. Yeah,

[38:16] then you won't need a Then you won't

[38:18] need a second variance.

[38:19] >> Right. So, we

[38:20] >> But that's your call.

[38:21] >> We got to be 20 ft from the rear lot

[38:23] line.

[38:23] >> Exactly.

[38:24] >> Yeah. Okay.

[38:26] Well, you know, I mean it sounds to me

[38:28] like

[38:29] that issue's not necessarily before us

[38:31] right now. The only issue before us is

[38:32] the front side back. And it sounds like

[38:35] they either have confidence that they

[38:37] meet the rear setback requirements or

[38:39] they'll amend or they'll shorten the

[38:41] garage. So,

[38:43] um with those kind of

[38:45] thoughts in mind, I'm I would be okay

[38:47] with moving this forward to

[38:49] um

[38:50] a public hearing for the sole purpose of

[38:52] the one variance you're asking for.

[38:56] >> Well, there was actually two. There was

[38:57] 154 right 107 and

[39:00] >> But they're both related to the correct,

[39:01] but they're both related to the front

[39:02] setback.

[39:03] >> Right.

[39:03] >> Yeah.

[39:04] >> And for use.

[39:06] >> Correct. Okay. Um

[39:13] Okay.

[39:15] I'm not sure.

[39:17] I'm sorry.

[39:18] Okay.

[39:23] All right. So, I'll I'll make a motion

[39:24] to move this on to public hearing.

[39:27] >> I'll second it.

[39:28] >> All in favor say I.

[39:30] >> I.

[39:32] >> Okay. So, that's four.

[39:34] All right. So, we're moving on to public

[39:35] hearing.

[39:36] The public hearing will be September 9th

[39:38] at 7:00 p.m.

[39:39] Um I think Meg you

[39:42] there's the posting and advertise and

[39:44] mailing requirements for

[39:46] uh noticing the meeting to

[39:48] the people you know, within the radius.

[39:51] Um I think Meg has a packet that you can

[39:54] use.

[39:55] >> It's just in the information packet.

[39:57] >> Okay.

[39:57] >> All the information.

[39:58] >> Is So, you'll you'll have to, you know,

[40:01] give the green cards or proof of mailing

[40:02] for all of that prior to the meeting and

[40:04] meet all the other requirements

[40:06] um to to to open the public meeting.

[40:09] Um you know, and then if you need to

[40:10] amend your your petition,

[40:13] you need to do it within 2 weeks of of

[40:15] that deadline.

[40:16] >> Okay.

[40:19] » Can do.

[40:25] » All right. So, um

[40:30] Public hearings are none. I'll entertain

[40:32] a motion to adjourn the meeting.

[40:34] >> So moved.

[40:35] >> All in favor say I.

[40:36] >> I.

[40:42] » [music]

Long Beach Board of Zoning Appeals August12, 2026

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