[0:07] All right, it is now two o'clock. We're going to start the presentation. Uh,

[0:11] first off, I'm just going to introduce myself and then I'll let the team

[0:14] introduce themselves. That way, those people if they do come online, they can

[0:17] actually capture who's talking through that image. I'm Charlie Mops. I'm the

[0:22] public works director for the town of Lombok Key. Um, to my left,

[0:27] uh, hello. Uh, my name is Mark Strike. um uh with first line first line coastal

[0:32] were consultants to the town uh designers engineers for the project. Uh

[0:36] we also have one more uh with us who's joining online. She was actually sick

[0:40] today so we asked her to stay home keep the rest of us safe. Uh her name is Tara

[0:44] Hollis. She is with Wilder Associates who's an accounting firm uh also

[0:48] consultants to the town. >> Right. And uh I would like to recognize

[0:52] we have uh for former Vice Mayor Hock in in the audience. We also have

[0:56] Commissioner Brennham and I think uh Commissioner Bishop is going to be

[1:00] attending as well later. So I'm going to share my screen so those that do join

[1:05] will actually be able to you know follow along with us. Uh

[1:15] and ma'am if you don't mind signing in. So as you can see like this is our town

[1:19] website. What we're trying to be is super transparent with the the potential

[1:23] development of this program. And what we have is we have the first button which

[1:28] says navigation program. Uh eventually if you don't find it there you can find

[1:33] it under residence under waterway navigation maintenance program. It'll

[1:36] take you to the same website. So just by clicking on that

[1:41] it brings you to here and this will have a bunch of information about meeting

[1:46] events uh future meeting events, current meeting events and eventually after the

[1:50] meeting has been uh you know held and recorded. A link to those recordings

[1:55] will actually be you know replacing the dates so that way people can uh go back

[2:01] and see something previous. The message isn't changing, but just in case you

[2:05] maybe miss something or want to revisit uh a certain topic, it will be on here.

[2:11] Within here though, there is a couple of other spots. Why this project matter?

[2:15] Well, if you click on this button, it'll actually take you to this website, which

[2:20] is the Lombo Key. It was built by First Line Consultants, and it has all the

[2:26] information that uh we that that we're going to be sharing tonight. So every

[2:31] brief every aspect of briefing material or whatnot is actually in this website.

[2:35] So you don't you know again transparency and just trying to be uh you know as as

[2:40] as you know collecting as much data and everything else as we possibly can. If

[2:46] you're more like hey what's the bottom line up front? You could click right

[2:50] here and it will bring you to a spot that we're going to go share as as a

[2:53] group together in a minute. Um, but it will bring you to a GIS-based site where

[2:58] you can actually click on your property or put in your property address and it

[3:01] will tell you if you're a non-canal fronting property, you what the

[3:05] millillage alone would be. If you're a canal fronting property, what the mill

[3:09] and assessment would be and it will it'll break it down and I'll show you

[3:12] how to do all of that really quick and easy. So, we're going to go right into

[3:16] this website, which again was that first click. And if you go in here, here's the

[3:21] presentation.

[3:26] I wonder if I can move that. Yes. All right. So,

[3:31] obviously it was left at the very end because somebody must have been looking

[3:33] at it, which is good. Um because we want people to visit these sites. As a matter

[3:39] of fact, one of our residents actually came to me. There's like, oh, there's a

[3:42] lot of information online. I'm able to see a lot of that information and and I

[3:46] was able to like kind of gleam an idea before I even got here. So, that that's

[3:50] a that's a good thing. So, you know, protecting our waterways is vitally

[3:54] important to the quality of life for our island community. If you look at that

[3:59] picture, Lombo Key is unique. It is the entire city is within an island. You

[4:04] know, so we have, you know, beaches on the on the front side and we have a

[4:08] beautiful bay which is a national estuary program on the back side. And

[4:12] so, we're just one shared community and it aligns with the commission's, you

[4:18] know, mission and values. a commissioner uh bishop just walked in. Hello, ma'am.

[4:25] Uh so, you know, with with our vision and our mission, you know, we're a

[4:30] natural assets of the barrier island combined with cultural and recreational

[4:33] amenities. So, you know, we have like a lot of parks, we have a lot of uh we

[4:38] have our beaches, we maintain all of those things. The mayor just walked in

[4:42] as well, so we have quite a quite a crew here. Um so as as it you know we're

[4:48] trying to maintain yet another aspect of of those cultural amenities

[4:53] um the vigorous maintain and preserve LMO's key status as a premier

[4:57] residential and visi and visitor destination. So this program because

[5:02] it's not a project it's a program that we looked at these this vision and this

[5:07] mission and made sure that it was aligning with that.

[5:11] So, you know, here's here's a picture of a canal that, you know, on the north end

[5:16] where it's a little skinny and you could just see that, you know, our property

[5:20] values and quality of life resolve around clean water navigable channels.

[5:24] You know, again, we're on the national estuary program. You know, we're, you

[5:27] know, Sarasota Bay estuary program is one of only a handful of national

[5:32] recognized estuaries in in the country. And because the water quality from our

[5:38] bay is shared in our canals that there there's a there's a linking there's a

[5:43] linking factor there. Our waterways are a shared amenity that support each of us

[5:47] and we'll get into a little bit more of that. And then historical overview. So

[5:53] the last time these canals were ever dredged were back in uh 2003. So 23

[5:58] years ago was the last time as a municipality we dredged any of the

[6:03] canals in in in the town. Um the issue was originally developed back in 1996

[6:10] when the commission asked and they actually formed a group of residents to

[6:13] come up with a funding strategy to move forward with that. And some of the

[6:18] funding strategies that they came up with back in the in the '9s are going to

[6:21] be you know very similar to what we're presenting today. There was over 30

[6:26] reviews and public hearings including commission meetings all public all

[6:30] publicly advertised and you know publicly attended. Um but the delays

[6:36] have led to navigability even though they've been trying to like establish

[6:40] this program over that period of time. Delays in establishing the program since

[6:45] 2003 have led to areas that are are are hurting more than others.

[6:52] So as we roll down. So why now? Well, we've been kicking this can down the

[6:57] road pretty pretty good where to the point it's flat, right? It doesn't roll

[7:01] anymore. So we're trying to get a once in a gener generation opportunity. this

[7:06] this group, our consultants and and town staff working with our commission have

[7:11] gotten further than any other group has gotten to this point, which is we have

[7:16] the ability and we we had set up through the commission and resolution and

[7:20] ordinance the ability to use our Mante County property appraisers and Sarasota

[7:26] County properties appraisers to actually help us implement this program through

[7:31] the, you know, through their tax bill. So what's the plan? Well, it's a

[7:38] responsible phase waterway navigation maintenance program. It's it's it's

[7:42] dedicated to the waterway navigation only. Um it's restoring safe navigable

[7:48] channels. It's improving and maintaining storm water uh systems. I don't know why

[7:54] this Microsoft team thinks keeps doing this, but I'm sorry. Um and I'll show

[7:58] you a little bit about that in a minute. And it mimics the TW 8020 uh beach

[8:04] program that we currently uh you guys currently through bond referendum fund

[8:10] with the state, you know, because the state always, you know, contributes a a

[8:14] percentage towards those those beach nourishment projects. And then what it's

[8:19] what it's geared to do is reduce overall long-term cost. So we don't get into the

[8:23] point of restoration. We keep in the process of of maintenance, you know. So,

[8:28] we're trying to get back to that maintenance process.

[8:34] So, what are some of the benefits? Again, it restores and and maintains

[8:37] that access for recre recreational voters. There's been past meetings where

[8:42] where oh, uh, Vice Mayor Williams has walked in. Um,

[8:47] it it maintains and restores access. We've had questions before like, well,

[8:51] my canal right now doesn't need to be dredged, but it's not to say it won't.

[8:54] That's why it's a program, not a project. So, you know, all of the canals

[8:58] that come out of Lumbbo Key, including our axis channels, our perimeter

[9:01] channels, they were cut through sandbars. Okay? Well, those sandbars

[9:05] shift and eventually it'll choke off or narrow the navigability of that channel

[9:10] or silt it in to reduce the depth that channel currently exists. And that's why

[9:14] it's a long-term program. And then improves and maintains the storm water

[9:19] flow. And again, I'll get a little bit more into that. And it reinforces the

[9:23] appeal for real estate and tourism. you know, being on a municipal maintained

[9:27] waterway will definitely increase the, you know, or or could potentially

[9:33] increase the values, the property values of those properties. Um, there's a

[9:38] potential to reuse this dredge material to actually create, which is one of the

[9:41] first things we have to do is a seaggrass mitigation area out in that

[9:46] aquatic preserve or that uh national estuary program. And I'm going to show

[9:51] you a little bit about that in in a minute. Uh, and then there's other

[9:55] environmental enhancements that that come along with dredging canals on the

[9:58] east coast of Florida where they get a lot of green allergies and stuff like

[10:01] that. They actually dredge canals to reduce the bol load that's on the bottom

[10:05] of those canals. The bol load on the bottom of those canals actually

[10:08] contributes to those nasty things that are are like red tide. You know, those

[10:13] are things that would feed those organisms. As a matter of fact, I was

[10:16] just on the phone yesterday with Ryan Gandandy, who's the director of the

[10:20] Sarasota Bay program, and he was asking me because he's getting calls about this

[10:25] potential program, and he agreed that yes, by reducing bile load, you're going

[10:30] to reduce the potential food source for some of those bad things. And then uh

[10:35] the potential for future femur reimbursement. In the 15 years I ran

[10:39] this program for Charlotte County, I was literally dredging two major areas, uh,

[10:44] Pirate Harbor and another one, big dredge projects that were going on.

[10:48] Hurricane Charlie came through. So, we had to enact our hurricane plan, get the

[10:52] contractors away and into safety. But before they left, we went out there and

[10:56] surveyed what they already did. And after Hurricane Charlie came through,

[11:00] those canals got silted in. Well, FEMA funded the restoration of those canals

[11:05] because they were part of a maintenance program. and we were able to show that

[11:08] level of service.

[11:14] So, how are we going to pay for this? Well, this is why, you know, one of the

[11:17] reasons we hired First Line. Now, one thing you got to know about First Line,

[11:21] First Line was helping me down in Charlotte County when I was when I was

[11:24] doing that. Uh, they were working with Koulse Engineering Consultants who had

[11:28] been doing that, you know, maintaining that management of that program for be

[11:33] even before I got there. Uh but it's a you know we hired them and they came up

[11:38] with this this model. It's a fair simple transparent funding model uh that's

[11:43] similar to the beach nourishment. That's why it's at 80 80% and the 20%. So 80%

[11:48] would be borne by those direct uh canal access properties and 20 20% would be

[11:54] covered by the nondirect access properties.

[12:00] We are estimating a cost of about $9 million for the first five years. We

[12:05] need that much money because we need to create as part of our permits that

[12:09] seaggrass mitigation area. And those things aren't cheap. You know, they come

[12:12] at about a price tag of about $3 million. And I we'll show you why. Um

[12:18] then after that, when we start getting in that programmatic maintenance, so

[12:21] hey, your canal doesn't need to be dredged now, but it might in the future.

[12:24] this is where that those funds will come in in order to affect change in the

[12:29] future. So the methodology you know the

[12:33] millillage plus direct assessment was um what we've presented to the commission

[12:38] in the direction by which they gave us to you know review and and and and see

[12:44] if it if if it made enough sense to move forward. So

[12:50] the millage plus if you look at the box on the top right you see direct access

[12:55] they'll pay 10% advalorum and then 70% nonavalorum the nondirect will pay 20%

[13:01] advalorum and they don't pay a direct assessment and so that's where you come

[13:06] up with that 8020 split and commissioner coffin just walked into the room too so

[13:10] now we have a full house of commissioners

[13:18] So why is it work? It's fair, familiar, consistent with past practices. It saves

[13:22] money in the long term by avoiding emergency actions. And these these are

[13:26] words that were developed by not only our our consultant for our engineering

[13:31] consultant, our consultant for financing, but also by a um a group that

[13:36] we hired to uh come up with a you know a messaging kind of uh uh consultant. It

[13:42] saves money long term by avoiding emergency dredging. So, you know,

[13:46] emergency situations where you're getting into restoration, big impact

[13:50] long-term long term long-term on target by the the consultant and the

[13:55] contractors to actually dredge those waterways. When you can get past that

[13:59] and get into maintenance, now you're just hitting hot spots. You know what I

[14:02] mean? And and so you're going to have less equipment out there behind the

[14:06] houses dredging and making the noise and being disruptive.

[14:10] It enhances overall community value and island resiliency. Again, earlier we we

[14:15] mentioned I'm going to get into some of the uh the drainage aspects of this and

[14:19] it maintains and and minimizes long-term construction impacts which I I just

[14:24] mentioned. So before we get into questions and comments and I do

[14:28] appreciate you guys all holding your comments and questions to the end, I

[14:32] just want to go through a little bit more of our our website. So in here we

[14:38] have all the conditions of the waterways and if you click on this it actually

[14:42] opens up a box and that box is the canal sheets. So these guys went and they

[14:47] actually did a conditional survey down every canal. They actually filmed every

[14:53] canal looking for obstructions and whatnot. the canal sheets are based, you

[14:58] know, so if you're if you're in canal 13, as an example, which is kind of mid

[15:04] canal, uh, mid island, upper, northern mid, um, they looked at every boat that

[15:10] actually services that canal or utilizes that canal, and they kind of, uh,

[15:14] classify them. And in it, you'll see that, you know, the the permitted depth

[15:19] is there, the width is this, and these are all pulled off of previous permits.

[15:23] Again, like I said, the last time, you know, we dredged quite a few canals back

[15:27] in 2003, but permits were pulled from that. So, we don't have to recreate that

[15:31] wheel. We can utilize that information. So, we're keeping it into the

[15:35] maintenance realm for our our permitting agencies. But you can see that the

[15:40] average vessel beam is about 10 ft and the actual draft is about four plus on

[15:45] this canal. So, maintaining it to five is something we'd have to do. This

[15:50] happens to be one of those canals that's already meeting that intent, you know,

[15:53] as best as we can. However, this is one of those canals that if in the future

[16:00] this part shs in, we can get out there and and take care of it. These canals,

[16:06] this is Hideway Bay, I think it actually there's some access channels that are

[16:11] skinnier. So, what's nice about it, if you go up to the first maps, you can and

[16:17] you can hit control and zoom in on anything that you want to see in here,

[16:23] but you'll be able to see. Come on. Oh, there we go. This will be easier.

[16:34] This is the island sheet. So if you see you know canal 13 has to utilize this

[16:38] channel and this axis channel to get out that access channel isn't as in good a

[16:43] shape as 13 but any action we're doing in this is the bene is to benefit

[16:49] everybody who comes in 11A to access 11 12 13 or 14. So even though now 13 might

[16:56] not need it the access channel may you know. So again it's a program it's not a

[17:00] project. We're not we're not just pinpointing one one thing that and going

[17:04] after it. We're actually going after it in a programmatic way.

[17:09] So, back into this website. And again, I I I do encourage you to explore all of

[17:14] this. And if you have any questions or comments on the bottom of here, you

[17:19] could just click on this box right here. It'll open up your whatever your browser

[17:22] is for your email. And then you can send us a question and or a comment.

[17:27] So, back into here, why now has more of kind of the message I just I just said.

[17:33] Um, program funding details, it kind of has it broken down as the first five

[17:38] years. And after that, we're going to try to reduce the cost of both the

[17:42] assessment and the millillage by half, you know. So, um, and then property

[17:47] specific details is this is where that other button would would take you. Or

[17:53] you can just go right to here. And if you go full screen, you can zoom

[17:57] in anywhere you want and you could see if you're blue, you know, if you're

[18:02] blue, those those properties are paying the direct, you know, the both the

[18:06] assessment and the millillage. So they're direct access. Uh and if you're

[18:11] in the green, then you're not. So, you could zoom in, and I'm not going to pick

[18:17] on anybody, but you could just zoom in on any canal, and you could just pick

[18:20] any house, and it will tell you that that that property

[18:25] um you know, and the assessed value is 800

[18:29] 3,000. It has one EBU because it has a dock or it has the ability to have a

[18:33] dock. So, the advalorum assessment would be $50.3 for the first five years. And

[18:40] then the fixed assessment um would be 620. So the millage would be

[18:47] $50, the tax would be $50.3 and then this uh 620 is the assessment

[18:53] because that's a direct access property. So for the first uh for the first five

[18:59] years, you're looking at a $670 uh you know um tax and assessment that

[19:04] would be levied on this property. And then what we do is we actually added in

[19:08] there the maintenance years, the six plus. So what would we be looking at

[19:11] about 343? So that's I wanted to kind of show you

[19:16] that this is how transparent the town's trying to be in order to you know

[19:20] provide the information or the level of information to the taxpayers so that

[19:24] they could see you know what what does this do on here you could see like even

[19:29] that canal would have to go out 31A and 31A at this area this junction is pretty

[19:35] skinny. Um, so it it it might need attention even though if if 30A

[19:40] according to the canal sheets doesn't need it now might need it in the future.

[19:43] That's why it's a program not a project. So with that we'll go back.

[19:49] » Can you show grass? >> That's perfect. Thank you. All right.

[19:54] The question was, can you show where the new grass flats would be? Um, I'm saying

[19:58] this so that way the people online will understand or hear the question. So if

[20:02] you go up to here, we have our Subacrius project where this is the old line.

[20:07] That's the prop the the scar from putting in the the line that we did back

[20:11] in the 70s. This line, every time you flush your toilet, it eventually goes

[20:15] out this line back to Manatee County where it gets treated. Um so there is a

[20:21] need because that line is aging that we're in the process of of putting in

[20:25] another line. This is called the long bar channel, right? which is is a great

[20:30] aerial, but this long bar channel was created by the Army Corps of Engineers

[20:34] back in 1889ish, you know. Um, and that was the old inter coastal waterway. And

[20:40] then in 1916, they relocated that channel to here. Um, so, you know, they

[20:46] abandoned this. And so this is so deep that seaggrasses can't grow because it's

[20:51] below the photoic zone. The photoic zone is the layer of penetration that

[20:55] sunlight can reach to allow grasses to grow. because because this has existed

[21:02] during our permitting process to to kind of kickstart this this you know the

[21:07] projects within this program we have to like cuz we're we are going to be

[21:11] impacting some seaggrasses where they weren't mitigated before we have to

[21:15] create a seaggrass mitigation area in in this location. So we permitted over four

[21:20] acres um we only have to like fill between two and three or something like

[21:23] that acres. Um, but what we're looking to do is utilize, and we've already done

[21:28] the core borings and the grab samples to utilize the dredge material to put into

[21:33] that hole in order to save both time and money uh in the program. So, you know,

[21:39] the the $9 million right now is kind of like in our worst case scenario if we

[21:44] had to import fill or if we couldn't use as much fill from our canals. But we've

[21:49] actually went and done the research, did the cores, pulled those cores, sent them

[21:52] up to a lab at Eard College and had them checked out. And you know, we have some

[21:57] pretty usable material in our canals that I need 24,000 cubic yards to fill

[22:02] that hole. So, we have a good amount of good amount of material that we can put

[22:06] in there. And our permits right now only only give us 9,000 cubic yards

[22:10] approximately. So, there's a lot of makeup. So in that first cycle of

[22:15] dredging we might be hitting a lot more just in order to like facilitate net

[22:20] need. Now one of the things I wanted to share before we get into the the

[22:25] questions a lot of a lot of questions have come up of why is it 8020 why if I

[22:30] don't live on a canal do I have to pay the 20%. Well, I already talked about

[22:34] the bol load reduction. We talked about the seaggrass mitigation area which is

[22:38] going to benefit everybody by enhancing our already pristine environment. But at

[22:43] the same time, if we have major rainfalls and we have something called

[22:46] runoff, if those runoffs hit any of the drains, like the drains across here,

[22:51] which is just north of uh Bayront Park, um we have some a series of drains here

[22:57] that exit out underneath these canals, underneath these boats in this canal

[23:02] section. So if what's what's really interesting about it and you can even go

[23:09] north of there or south of there, you get into Country Club Shores and it's a

[23:13] great example of where a lot of a lot of these actually do drain into like

[23:21] there's there's a covert right here. It actually drains into this canal. All

[23:26] right. So if if anything in here happens to get, you know, through a rain event,

[23:31] comes down uh Gulf of Mexico Drive where this is actually, you know, from one of

[23:37] the resorts in onto the street and makes its way into that into that covert. It's

[23:43] going to make its way into those canals. And those are all the way up and down.

[23:47] There's another one here. Um I you can't tell because of the

[23:52] construction on here, but they they're they they do exist, especially in in

[23:57] this segment. What what I found to be interesting

[24:00] because I actually did a little bit more in-depth research on this. All of these

[24:06] um all of these golf course ponds are

[24:12] interconnecting. And so if any runoff happens in this

[24:16] area and it gets into these cuz the drains from these roads actually bury

[24:20] you know go out into uh for the most part into these uh uh these ponds. But

[24:27] this whole all this pond system is interconnected and it eventually makes

[24:31] its way down to here. If you see this that's called a wear structure that

[24:35] separates salt water from fresh water. So the obviously the the golf courses

[24:39] want to use this fresh water to irrigate this. But if it if there's enough runoff

[24:43] or you have a bigger storm event, then you're going to have this water coming

[24:48] over this wear structure where it feeds two to three pipes that come right out

[24:52] here into canal 58 or something like that 55.

[24:58] Same thing happens even over in this location like all these interconnecting

[25:02] ponds actually make their way into this wear structure and then this rare

[25:07] structure actually feeds pipe that drain into here. I'm sorry actually on this

[25:12] side they cross the road here and drain into this canal which is the you know

[25:16] very north end of country club shores in the very south end of Bay Isles.

[25:22] So I wanted that was one of the and that's just a question that has come up

[25:25] before like why why the 20 why the 20 and our our consultants actually looked

[25:29] at all that data and they said this makes sense and I think this this is

[25:32] this is what we want to work with and and and and because it's also fair and

[25:38] familiar with the beach program that we currently have um you know it it was it

[25:44] seemed to be the way to go. So in here we'll go back one. silver.

[25:52] So in here there's also we also we also house a lot of the frequently asked

[25:56] questions. So as we get questions and they're repetitive questions, we try to

[26:00] capture those and capture the answer and put them in here on both this site and

[26:04] the town's website. And there's other programmatic information in here uh as

[26:10] well. So again, a very robust website trying to share information and right

[26:15] now we're in data collection mode so that way we can come back to the

[26:18] commission in April and present what the outcomes of all these these these

[26:23] outreach meetings are are are we were able to capture. So at this time I'm

[26:28] going to open it up to questions and I'm going to keep these open so if you have

[26:31] a question I can wait. There's a mic's coming your way so that way people

[26:35] online can hear.

[26:39] Um just a quick question. Um so no state or federal funds were available to us or

[26:45] we didn't qualify for anything? >> No. Even even in my past practices I you

[26:51] know there's there's no grants outside of FEMA reimbursement for damage that

[26:55] I've ever been able to find. Um, you know, there there are some that may be

[27:00] on the east coast that they're using where they have major bile load issues

[27:04] that might they might be able to qualify for, but we don't because we don't have

[27:08] a maintenance program. We've we haven't been able to demonstrate that we've been

[27:12] maintaining these as infrastructure.

[27:21] » Well, thank you for all this information. Uh, very helpful. My

[27:25] question is when you uh explain how the funding was going to be uh broken down

[27:33] between categories, I think you use the term nondirect access.

[27:39] » Is that a correct term because it's not really it it sounds like you're using

[27:44] that because that's what you use for the beach reourishment, but it's really non

[27:48] access. >> Yeah. Well, that see because because if

[27:52] it's a it's an assessment because if it's an assessment, it has to show a

[27:55] direct benefit. So that's why direct access and nondirect access. So if you

[28:00] don't have direct access, then you're only paying the millillage because

[28:05] you're showing a direct benefit, you have that's why I'm using that term.

[28:09] That's the only reason why I'm using that term is because the assessment is

[28:12] linked to a direct benefit. I hope that answers

[28:26] Hi. Um, thanks for the opportunity. Um, so I've been a resident owner here for

[28:32] 22 years. Um, I think I'm very supportive of the program. Uh, I think

[28:39] you need a government action here because you'll have hold out residents

[28:43] that won't want to pay dredging in front and it's piggybacking on others efforts.

[28:49] You just need an overall approach. If we're doing this at all, the only way

[28:53] you can do it is by government. I also like the fact you're recycling a lot of

[28:57] the waste, so it's pretty efficient relative to hauling,

[29:00] » right? Uh so those are those are really positive things but I do quibble on the

[29:05] allocation because I don't think it's equitable. I think the uh analogies well

[29:11] I'll first start with you alluded to it there was a question about the labeling

[29:15] in by using a non nondirect label it seems to me as a plain reading to imply

[29:22] there's some indirect benefit and I quibble with actually whether there is

[29:27] to the extent we're talking about the residential no outlet canals

[29:32] um as I look at the canals and your picture shows it quite well uh there's a

[29:37] lot of canals that are 20 to 25 ft wide. >> They all have docks on them or lifts.

[29:43] Narrows the the navigable gap by up to a third and maybe even more than a third.

[29:50] If you took a small rental boat because I don't have a boat

[29:54] » and I don't get a direct benefit. I'm not on a canal, but I I could park a

[29:59] boat and anchor it in the front of that canal and because they're so narrow, no

[30:04] one could get in or out. That's how narrow they are. a lot of them and

[30:08] because they're no outlet, they're not truly navigable for anyone that's not

[30:12] living on that particular canal. So from my sensibilities, I think the you call

[30:18] the other canals access canals. They do broadly benefit navigation.

[30:24] There's some ancillary benefits probably to everyone.

[30:28] » I have no qualms with an allocation about those. But where I could never

[30:33] personally put a boat on your canal, it's hard for me to see why I'm paying

[30:38] for it because it looks a lot to me like a private driveway for boats and as such

[30:44] I I don't pay for my neighbors driveway or to reseal it. I think you're bringing

[30:49] up a great point. However, the town does pave the roads, you know. So, like if I

[30:55] was to come in here with a dredge, we would dredge the center line of the

[30:58] canal to what the permitted width was, where we could, like you're saying,

[31:01] there is there are restrictions with docks and whatnot, that do restrict

[31:05] navigability, >> but from their from that center line of

[31:09] that canal to their dock, that's their driveway, right?

[31:13] » Their dock or their boat lift is their garage. And so, while I I will put this

[31:17] out there and thank you for for your comment. I really do appreciate and I'll

[31:20] let you I'm not actually finished but I'll let you go.

[31:22] » No, no, no. I just wanted to like say on that point on that point on that point

[31:26] alone what we would do at the time when we have a a contractor in there we would

[31:30] reach out to any of the residents that are in the area that the contractor was

[31:34] there and say hey while they're here there's a benefit for you where you

[31:38] could come under a separate contract with that contractor in order to do some

[31:43] docside dredging for much reduced cost. But go ahead, sir. So I I I have a hard

[31:48] time seeing much of a strong benefit on these narrow no outlet canals. I think

[31:55] if you're talking about marketability, you know, our general property values

[32:00] without question, if we don't dredge these still dredge these canals, those

[32:05] properties values will drop because they're much lower usefulness the more

[32:09] they fill in. I doubt people that are on the beach in a condo have a market

[32:14] impact at all because when you buy a condo on the beach, you're not saying,

[32:18] "Oh, by golly, I could take a rented boat and try to go in one of these

[32:21] canals." You that's not why you buy that condo, right?

[32:25] » So, I don't think there's there's a strong correlation here. And by the way,

[32:30] let's look at this the dredging that's occurring right now. The federal

[32:34] government's paying for the dredging of the the new pass 100%.

[32:38] » Why? because it's a public access navigable waterway. It provides a

[32:43] benefit broadly to everyone. Why are they not paying for part of the

[32:47] residential canal dredging? It's because it's private.

[32:50] » Yeah. And the Nicore doesn't do residential dredging. However, they do

[32:54] dredge like the inter coastal waterway which all of our canals do connect to.

[32:58] » And that's my point and that's why it's appropriate for us to say there's a

[33:02] general benefit for access canals. That's different than talking about the

[33:07] the residential canals that are no outlet.

[33:10] » Yes, sir. >> So, from my perspective, it's it's

[33:12] difficult to see this allocation. I think the analogy to the brief to to the

[33:17] beach reourishment is misplaced because under federal law and state law, the

[33:24] public owns the beach up to the high water mark.

[33:27] » No, actually in our case, they own it up until the erosion control line, which is

[33:32] much further landward. of even better. >> So there's a huge swath of public land

[33:37] on our entire 14 mile island here, >> right?

[33:42] » Everyone on the island, the farthest you are away from a beach is probably six

[33:46] city blocks. In many cases, it's one. It's not difficult to get across the

[33:51] street or to walk to the beach. Uh last week, someone said we only have two

[33:56] access points to the beach. That's completely incorrect. There's 12 and

[34:01] they're spaced by and this is by state law. You have to give an easement to get

[34:05] access to that public beach. Therefore, everyone on the island whether they

[34:10] utilize it or not has a b a a practical and legal basis to use the beach. The

[34:16] people that are not on the canals did not have a similar use of those canals.

[34:20] So to use the same allocation percentage does not make sense to me. If you ask my

[34:25] honest opinion, it's either zero or some dimminimous percentage for those that

[34:29] are not on canals. And we should be paying for the access canals because

[34:34] those are more broadly navigable. >> And and again, we're I'm not justifying

[34:39] anything. We're just here to collect your opinions as well. And that way we

[34:42] can, you know, I think you actually already sent an email as well, didn't

[34:46] you? You did. So >> this

[34:49] » Exactly. And that's that's what we're looking for. We're looking for if we can

[34:52] we can get if we can get the written documentation. Again, that's why we we

[34:56] like to direct people to that where you can click on it and then give us your

[35:00] your your comments and that that that that is a benefit. But on the beach

[35:04] side, I will say this like we do our beach projects for three reasons.

[35:09] Recreation is one. The other one is habitat for both sea turtles and

[35:13] shorebirds. The third one which is more of a direct benefit for those Gulf side

[35:17] properties is the Burm elevations which is the storm surge protection.

[35:26] » Hi, I'm Terry Boss of Fairway Bay One. I sent in an email uh on that. I was

[35:32] looking at some possible cost reductions. Um, I authored a hurricane

[35:39] surge report after we had the hurricane on the impacts we had and things that

[35:44] could be improved in our area. We have a burm around our

[35:49] subdivision of the condos and we have a low area there where we had a lot of the

[35:56] seawater coming over in the surge uh by our tennis courts. And the thing I was

[36:03] trying to raise up is that we probably could use some fill uh in that area to

[36:10] build up the burm to stop it from coming over

[36:14] the parking lots and then getting into the street and then flooding a lot of

[36:18] houses >> and and that's a great point sir. So you

[36:20] know another thing of future use there's a thing called benefits your use of

[36:24] dredge material and and that's something that again we're looking to do for that

[36:28] seaggrass mitigation. That's that's our primary focus right now because we have

[36:32] to build it per permit. But outside of that, when we start getting into

[36:35] maintenance, especially when you're dredging from the upland canals, the

[36:39] upland canals don't have the same kind of rules and regulations a little bit

[36:44] than the ones the access channels and the peritive channels because that's the

[36:48] stuff out there is state lands. And so the state requires that that material be

[36:53] used for the benefit or you of the general public or you actually pay a

[36:58] severance fee. Um but when you're dredging an upland channel, we're going

[37:02] to be looking for spots where we might be able to disp you know deposit some

[37:07] material in a beneficial means. And so you know something like that would be a

[37:11] cost benefit to everybody. >> Yeah. So, it was on 33B

[37:16] stations 51 through 53 is the area that's low right next to the channel and

[37:23] uh seems like an easy place to put it. The only question I had was how long

[37:27] does it take the salt to kind of filter out of the fill material?

[37:31] » Typically, it depends too on your rains. Okay? you know, once you stack that

[37:36] material um in in past practices, it could take a year, you know, before the

[37:41] rain s the rains and and everything else, make it percolate the salt down,

[37:46] you know, where you can not be burning grass and stuff. In other cases though,

[37:51] if it's good good sand like we were finding in these and they percolate a

[37:55] lot quicker, that that that time can can go down a lot more. However, you know,

[38:00] anytime you you're pulling material from an a saline or coin vi environment, it

[38:05] takes a while for it to actually compact enough. So, if you ever wanted to build

[38:08] like some type of structure on there, you might you might be waiting for

[38:12] compaction a little bit longer. >> Okay. Thank you.

[38:15] » You're welcome. Ma'am,

[38:19] » I just want to make sure I understand the assessment.

[38:23] The So, are you saying that the fees are

[38:27] going to be based on the property's assessment? So, for instance, if there's

[38:32] two houses on the same canal, one's a million dollar, one's $2 million, the $2

[38:38] million house will get double the amount of the assessment than the $1 million.

[38:43] » Double the amount of the millage, which is the tax. The assessment's a flat fee.

[38:48] So, yes. And then let's go back into that. So, we'll just again not picking

[38:53] on anybody, just picking on this. We'll we'll use an example. Um, in here we

[38:59] have a $1 million property and it has one equivalent benefit unit.

[39:05] Um, and then so you can see that the total fee for for the first five years

[39:10] would be 6.89. Typically, if you go to the end where the property is a little

[39:14] bit bigger, um you see a $3 million and you can see

[39:19] that the for the first five years, it's at $830

[39:23] assessment. And again, that's that's because the millage rate is set real

[39:27] low. It's set at, you know, 0623. Being that low of a millage, you know,

[39:33] on a taxable value property, you can it breaks it down. It's $210 versus and

[39:38] then the 620. And we go back to, you know, the other property and the Avalor

[39:44] was 69. So 210 versus 69.

[39:51] Kind of camping on to that point. A couple last two points made. I'm in

[39:57] Emerald Harbor, 82 homes, >> all on water. I don't think we're

[40:02] getting any dredging going on. Um, and kind of camping on to what was said

[40:06] previously, there's I'm in favor of this. I think it's a great idea. I think

[40:10] generally we all benefit, but it seems like we need a more benefit-based

[40:16] approach. If you're in a canal that's not getting

[40:19] dredged versus canal that's getting dredged, there's a dramatic benefit

[40:23] differential. And I know there's the future and potential, but that's where

[40:27] the maintenance comes in. So, it seems like there's going to be a subset of

[40:31] canal owners that are going to get a disproportionate benefit. those who get

[40:36] » initially potentially. Yes. But >> it's initially yes. Not potentially.

[40:41] » All right. >> Because if you have a canal that's, you

[40:44] know, not dredged and you have limited passageway,

[40:48] you know, it it really will impact the value of that property big time,

[40:52] especially for those who have larger boats. They're non-starters,

[40:55] » right? And part of the program is to monitor like the conditions of all the

[40:59] canals as we're moving forward. So, it's not just to go out there and dredge

[41:03] these and then, you know, there's going to be monitoring that's going to happen

[41:07] on a yearly by-early, you know, basis. We're going out there and checking the

[41:11] conditions. We need to know that so we can develop what's the showing rates

[41:15] where what what canals are showing in, what access channels that Emerald Halmer

[41:19] might might actually use are are showing in as well. So that way we can develop

[41:24] that that that program and eventually actually reduce those maintenance costs

[41:29] because we're we're projecting the maintenance costs to be half from the

[41:33] the original assessments. But if we can reduce those even further through that

[41:37] maintenance and through that observation, that's something we're

[41:40] going to be doing as part of the program.

[41:47] Do you you clearly know which canals got dredged back, you know, 20 plus years

[41:53] ago. Um, do you see certain canals getting refilled more quickly than other

[42:01] canals or you haven't? >> We don't know because we it's been 23

[42:06] years, >> right? But

[42:08] » so >> for Emerald Harbor, the canals don't

[42:11] need to be dredged and I don't know. They either got dredged back 20 years

[42:16] ago, but they've maintained the fact that now they don't need to be dredged,

[42:21] but there's plenty of other canals that do. And so I guess are some canals more

[42:27] likely to constantly need to be dredged than others. So then kind of to the

[42:33] point of some houses will need more maintenance or some canals will need

[42:39] more maintenance just because of where they are or some other

[42:43] » and again that's part of the program to be able to develop that you know because

[42:46] right now when you haven't done work in 23 years it's hard to come up with those

[42:51] those factual figures. You know what I mean? Because even in all the canals

[42:55] that were dredged probably in 2023 maybe some of them don't need to be

[42:59] dredged but some of them do. Uh that's something that we would have to like

[43:03] look at. >> I'm curious um to to that ends, how are

[43:07] y'all determining the depths of these canals?

[43:10] » Previously, are you going off lower of low tide or where you where you taking

[43:14] your measurements to? >> It's it's mean low water. All all state

[43:16] permits and federal permits are based on mean low water and they're based off of

[43:20] the how we're basing what is necessary out there is off the boat surveys by

[43:25] which they done. >> Okay. So they have done surveys separate

[43:28] from the geological surveys. I know those are way off. I I I boat every day

[43:32] almost. I know the depths of these waters and they're not anything what

[43:36] charts are showing. They're going to be very determinant of what's actually on

[43:41] the ground. And I'm curious how you are doing that

[43:42] » and that changes on a daily basis, you know. So, you know that because it's

[43:46] just, you know, it's it's a very influx environment that that these canals have

[43:50] to live in. >> And then are y'all doing so all your

[43:53] green areas including condos, commercial owners, I would assume, also were being

[43:57] assessed. >> Yep. commercial owners are being

[43:59] assessed as well on the north end. We have you know were these updated the

[44:05] Marvis. So we have like these dock structures will be counted as one one

[44:11] unit per you know so if they have like seven eight slips they'll they'll have

[44:17] you know seven assessments plus their millillage that they would be paying.

[44:22] Same thing with cannons. Same thing with uh the boat house you know so on and so

[44:27] forth. And do you have that broken down by how many green properties you have

[44:30] and how many direct access properties you have on the website showing that

[44:34] those numbers? >> Um, I'm not sure if the if the if the

[44:37] access and direct access are are listed on here. Something we can definitely

[44:41] add, but I think Tara might have that. I don't think that specific that specific

[44:45] statistic try that three times fast is listed on the website but just memory

[44:50] serves it's about 6040 40% direct access 60% not islandwide roughly.

[45:02] » Thank you. I was wondering if you could uh discuss the project that's going on

[45:07] in New Pass and those of us who live there and are impacted by this 247. It's

[45:13] very difficult. Are we going to be assessed? Those of us

[45:17] who live on New Pass, how is that going to work? No, there's if you if you live

[45:23] on New Pass, there are if you look there are there are some uh docks that exist,

[45:30] you know, up in here and then and around. And then some of these are

[45:35] considered outside of the CCCL. We have to adjust this map. um which would

[45:40] require you like you know if you're outside the CCCL which is the coastal

[45:45] construction control line you would require another layer of permitting

[45:49] which would put you into what's called a joint coastal permitting process. So

[45:53] those might not be those might be exempt from being able to have a dock but if

[45:57] you if you do have a dock then yes you would be assessed in within I'm I'm I'm

[46:03] pretty sure you you probably live out in this stretch. Yes, we right on the

[46:08] corner in S's point. >> Okay.

[46:10] » Some of us have >> that's you're one of the properties.

[46:12] You're one of the properties that is see what the CCCL this this map needs to be

[46:17] adjusted. >> Okay.

[46:18] » Yeah. >> Um and do you could you tell us how long

[46:21] this project will go on in New Pass? >> The new pass again that's a federal

[46:25] project that's that's in in coalition with the West Coast Inland Navigation

[46:29] District and the city of Sarasota. Uh they're dredging that that channel right

[46:35] now. They've already dredged what that what's called and I'm just going off of

[46:40] memory, okay? So, bear with me, but they they dredge cuts two and three. And now

[46:47] they're out here uh hitting cuts one and two. As soon as they're done with those

[46:51] two, they'll do a final sweep in here, come through, and they're going to

[46:55] dredge a couple of the cuts going this way.

[46:58] Um, I can send you or we can uh I could find the link for the Army Corps project

[47:04] because it's not a town project and I can let you know, but they have like

[47:08] timelines. They have updates. Uh, they even have the contacts with the city of

[47:12] Sarasota that if you have any other additional information that you want to

[47:15] provide them or or ask them, I can I can get you that information.

[47:19] » Thank you. >> You're welcome.

[47:20] » Charlie, we at First Line do have some very periphery involvement with that

[47:24] project, so I may have just a little bit of extra intel. Um, uh, I can tell you

[47:29] that that project has a must complete date established as April 30th, which

[47:34] coincides with the start of sea turtle nest season on Leo K. Uh, from just the

[47:40] little bit I know about the project, um, I think the latest schedule I've heard

[47:44] is midappril is the latest schedule I've heard.

[47:49] » Thank you, Mark. I appreciate that. Are there any other questions? There's one

[47:53] back there. We'll just wait for

[48:00] Not to be funny here, but you have measured the water levels 23 years ago

[48:04] and now, >> right? The canal water levels.

[48:08] » No. So what what we're basing it off of of 23 years ago there was there was

[48:12] baometric surveys that were done to get the permits in order to get the

[48:16] contractors out there to do the dredging and then there was asbuilt surveys that

[48:20] that went along with it to make sure that those they were dredged to the

[48:24] depth and the width and everything that they were supposed to. And then what we

[48:27] did was over just over a year ago, maybe closer to two now, is we went out there

[48:32] and just did a conditional survey running up and down the canals with the

[48:36] same type of equipment that you would use to do the bathometric survey for

[48:40] construction or for permitting just to get a conditional

[48:44] » idea of what's out there. >> I was thinking we would have water

[48:46] levels rising. I've been told we we would for the last 15 years. Yeah, as a

[48:50] matter of fact, you're right because they're about to set the the the title

[48:53] datim um that's coming down the line this this year and I think in our area

[48:59] it's about a half a foot that they're actually going to adjust that mean low

[49:02] water is going to go up a half a foot. >> Okay.

[49:05] » Yeah. >> Thank you.

[49:13] » She's getting her steps in people. Thank you. Um, I have a question and a

[49:21] comment, but first I'd like to just thank the township leadership and staff

[49:25] for getting this project moving. I I think if we had a time machine, we

[49:29] wouldn't have waited. We'd go back and not wait 23 years, and that makes the

[49:33] process probably a little more painful from a funding standpoint, but it's

[49:37] terrific that it's happening. Um, my question is related to permitting. You

[49:41] know, do you have permits in hand approved? Are there pending permits?

[49:45] what do you anticipate the permit process to look like in terms of any

[49:49] barriers or potential setbacks? And my comment is I was really happy to hear

[49:54] you made a comment that the residents on the water will be able to negotiate with

[49:59] the contractors. Um, I would encourage you to highly publicize that because

[50:05] when this is done, >> you know, there's people out there that

[50:09] come out and they kind of pump water to clear lifts and docks and where does

[50:14] that fill go? It goes right back into the channel. It does.

[50:17] » If we get the contractor to do it, it's going to be hauled away and right

[50:20] seaggrass mitigation. So, that's a great option and I just want to make sure

[50:24] everyone knows about it. >> Yeah, we will. And and to into your

[50:28] first comments, we already have permits. The permits that we have now are for

[50:32] those ones that weren't permitted for in some cases back in 2023. In 2023, there

[50:40] was a big a big, you know, there was a mass massive effort that that took

[50:44] place, a permit through three different permits, all of, you know, the canals

[50:49] that they dredged back then. Um, so what we would be doing is just applying for

[50:54] exemptions because where dredging has happened in the past, you should be able

[50:58] to dredge again. And so we're going to be applying for exemptions in those

[51:02] cases. And same thing with the Army Corps and most of most of the time, you

[51:06] I don't know if SPGP still exists, but it probably it does it because it it

[51:11] existed, then it didn't exist, and now it exists again. But that allows the

[51:15] federal government or the state to act on behalf of the federal government. So,

[51:18] if you can prove that it's maintenance only, then the permitting takes, you

[51:23] know, it could take weeks or just months, not years. And so, we're lining,

[51:28] we're going to line that up along with the program. And so, with that, I mean,

[51:33] one of the other questions comes out, hey, when can we start if if there's any

[51:37] way of starting sooner than later? And what we've done, um, because that $3

[51:43] million, remember, I want to hit a bunch of canals, not just the ones that are

[51:46] tied to the the existing permit, which is only 14 15 canals. I want to hit a

[51:51] bunch more so I can start to affect change for everybody so we can extend

[51:54] this program and reduce cost. So, we actually asked because like I mentioned

[52:00] before, this funny little waterway that goes on

[52:05] the opposite side of where it should be um that we have to or I'm sorry, the

[52:09] funny little warway on this one that goes opposite of where it should go. Uh

[52:14] we actually asked for an appropriations uh through uh the Water Resource

[52:18] Development Act of 2026. So, it's brand new, you know, just got published. And

[52:23] in it they're they said, "Hey, look, if you have a mitigation project, you could

[52:26] potentially get funding for that." So I'm like, "Hey, Army Corps, you created

[52:31] this back in 1880s and then you put it over here, but you abandon that. What

[52:36] we're trying to do is fix the problem to also booster the seaggrass beds that

[52:41] happen to be in one of your own national estuaries." So, you know, we're we're

[52:45] we're working that we're working every angle we can to actually even further

[52:49] reduce cost on this. Um, and so if we if we're able to, you know, get that and

[52:54] that's successful, you know, that's one thing. The other

[52:57] thing too is like, uh, it, you know, say we weren't able to, is there a way that

[53:01] we could potentially take out a short-term loan in order to jumpstart

[53:05] this because this was always developed as a pay as you go program. So, we would

[53:09] have to collect money for at least the first three years before we could start

[53:12] actually affecting change. That's, you know, that's that's that's adding three

[53:16] years to 23 years, you know. So again, we're as staff and as the commission and

[53:22] as our our management team because we have our assistant town manager right

[53:25] back there. Go for anything that you can and that's what we're doing in order to

[53:29] like try to reduce the cost and the overall impact on the community

[53:33] » and no additional to go directly with the contractor on clear.

[53:38] » No, the there's a contractor sitting right back there. Raise your hand. Wave

[53:41] to everybody. Yes. So you got a couple these guys know that like doside

[53:45] dredgings are covered underneath the the same exemptions that I mentioned

[53:49] especially if you live in an upland canal and also you know they just have

[53:53] to apply for the exemption the notice of exemption and there's army corps

[53:57] nationwide permits that cover doside dredging that along with that I don't

[54:01] know 14 or something like that nationwide 14 um but those those two are

[54:07] the arms by which they do it but again like you mentioned before advertising

[54:12] way in advance. So that way a a a marine contractor if they if they were hired,

[54:17] they know I'm going to be coming over here. Let me start the paperwork with

[54:20] them, get the contract going, and then, you know, settle on on a a fee because

[54:25] typically it's by barge load, by bucket load, by whatever. It's much reduced

[54:31] » that process that question has to be if you're in a nonal.

[54:38] » Yes, you can. So the question was if you're in a canal that you know you

[54:41] might need to have some doside dredging but you're not in the ones that need

[54:44] immediate attention. Yes. If you're if in geographically if you're in an area

[54:49] that they could go hit, they're going to go hit. And I when I started that

[54:53] program in Charlotte County, we did it the first couple of times in some pretty

[54:57] big major jobs where they were there for like a year. These duding contractors, I

[55:02] got one or two per canal saying, "Yeah, come do me. Come do me." the next year

[55:06] when there there it was like I was like hey contractor you have to do the county

[55:10] job you can't just do the residential dredging but it once word of mouth gets

[55:14] out people take advantage of it because it is a massive savings if you think

[55:18] about you're not paying them to mobilize to your site they're already there

[55:22] sir back there >> yeah I got three points actually uh I'd

[55:26] like to thank you all as well definitely uh the town for this um one thing uh was

[55:33] Helen taken into account as a result of all the debris and everything that was

[55:37] washed into canals. And then secondly, if you started today, could you

[55:42] guesstimate how long it would take to complete every canal?

[55:45] » Yeah. Um, two great questions. First, Helen, we tried, but because we have no

[55:51] we we don't we couldn't demonstrate maintenance. We weren't able to get a we

[55:55] weren't able to get FEMA to come out and dredge, but we were able to get them to

[56:00] come out and and and and try to like remove as much debris. We were working

[56:04] with FDM, Florida Division of Emergency Management, uh, a bunch of people, West

[56:09] Coast Inland Navigation District to remove derelic vessels, our police, our

[56:14] the sheriff's department, all the way down the line. Obviously suff, you know,

[56:18] there are onesie twoosies. We literally two weeks ago, hey, there's a mattress

[56:22] in the canal. My guys went out and moved it. You know what I mean? So, we're here

[56:26] to service you. Obviously, you know, that exceptional service is our motto.

[56:30] Um, you know, obviously we don't have the resources that some of these big

[56:34] agencies have, but we do the best we can. Uh, what was the second question?

[56:38] Oh, if you're going to start now, how long would it take? Again, if you look

[56:43] back at the 20 2003 dredge in lie of being able to pl take that material out

[56:49] to that this bo this spoil site. So, if you have a contractor, he's only

[56:53] handling it once. He's dredging it from you and depositing it over there.

[56:57] However, the travel distance is a little bit big. Back in 2003, they had to come

[57:02] up with what's called a DMMA, a dredge management site, you know, basically is

[57:07] what it stands for. And there was two of them and they were huge. And one of them

[57:12] actually blew out and there was a consent order and blah blah blah. But

[57:16] they had to handle that material like two to three times before it met its

[57:21] final destination. Um, but that project was about a year

[57:26] long. To do the restoration, we're probably looking at a year's worth of

[57:31] impact on the island. >> Thank you.

[57:36] » I'm just guesstimating. Okay. I'm just off of past

[57:40] show every canal and whether it's it would be scheduled to be made. Again,

[57:45] even if it says it's a B right now, we might need material out of that B in

[57:49] order to like make up that deficit, the 16,000 cubic yard deficit that I

[57:54] currently have to fill that seaggrass mitigation area. So, we're going to be

[57:57] hitting wherever there is suitable material to get to that that that magic

[58:02] number because if I start importing fill in, I have to import it, let it sit on

[58:08] on a place, have a marine cartridge go out there and grab it, put it on a

[58:11] barge, take it out there, and then deposit it.

[58:14] You know, so there's the more you handle material, the more it cost. And that's

[58:18] why like in our beach projects, we average about 30,000 uh $30 a cubic yard

[58:23] when we do the big beach bills from offshore sand sources. And you double

[58:27] that cost when you truck in material because of the amount of handling.

[58:34] Are there any other questions?

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