[0:07] Bonsoir tout le monde. À cette rencontre publique, le 5 septembre 2023, on va faire l'adoption

[0:30] de la gendarme, s'il vous plaît. J'ai besoin d'un proposage, adoption of the agenda.

[0:38] Donc, Luc Thiverge et Maureen Rice.

[0:43] Merci.

[0:46] Oui, Levoit, s'il vous plaît, Maureen Rice?

[0:49] Yes. Maureen McAvoy. Luc Thiverge? Oui.

[0:52] Louis Angus? Oui.

[0:54] Et je les revends. Merci.

[0:58] Là avant qu'on commence la période de questions, on va faire une présentation du concept,

[1:04] du parc exercice multi-générationnel au 4-5.

[1:10] Donc, avant que l'on commence la question,

[1:13] nous aimerions faire une présentation

[1:14] du concept de l'exercice multi-générationnel

[1:16] au 4-5.

[1:20] Donc, sur la table,

[1:22] vous verrez des pictures

[1:25] qui vont être démontrées

[1:26] et des explications

[1:28] de Beau-Sandra et Marie McAvoy

[1:32] pour votre information.

[1:33] Donc, c'est ça. Sur l'écran, vous allez voir des photos et puis avoir des informations

[1:40] données par Mme Martineau et Mme Maureen McEvoy sur le projet.

[1:51] En 2021,

[1:55] la municipalité a déposé une demande de subvention pour le prétinisteur de l'enseignement supérieur pour une subvention pour les parcs.

[2:05] Donc c'était un parc déverti, c'était au 400 pour 100 points.

[2:11] Donc en 2021, la municipalité s'est vue accordée une subvention de 75 000 $ pour le projet.

[2:17] En mai 2003, on a réussi à compléter le montage du dossier, donc on a signé l'entente pour le protocole de la subvention.

[2:48] Et puis, en mai de 2023, nous avons obtenu des procédures qui permettent de faire un call pour la submission.

[3:02] Est-ce que je peux juste interroger un petit peu? On a eu une bonification aussi, hein?

[3:07] Ok.

[3:09] Ok.

[3:10] Donc l'automne dernier aussi on a réalisé un sondage sur les besoins de la municipalité

[3:17] donc les ordres de jeu, les parcs ont sorti là je pense c'était dans l'université.

[3:23] Absolument.

[3:24] People were really, when we did the survey, the online and on paper survey of interests

[3:30] dans la récréation et la culture.

[3:33] Les gens sont très intéressés

[3:35] dans les facilities de récréation

[3:37] pour les enfants.

[3:41] En juin 2023,

[3:45] depuis du mois,

[3:46] on a adopté les critères

[3:48] aux fondérations pour les autres.

[3:50] On ne s'est pas basés sur le prix.

[3:52] On s'est basés sur les critères

[3:54] de qualité pour réévaluer

[3:56] les autres qu'on était pour votre mois.

[3:57] Oui, donc en juin, nous avons passé l'évaluation de l'évaluation des critères et nous avons parlé de comment les propositions seraient évaluées et c'était en qualité.

[4:16] Plus que le prix.

[4:17] Oui, plus que le prix. Absolument.

[4:20] Il n'y avait pas de preuves.

[4:21] Il n'y avait pas de preuves.

[4:24] En juin 2023, Monsieur Bissière communiquait avec nous, on a eu des ordres bonifiés à la subvention.

[4:33] Au départ, on avait une subvention de 75 000. Maintenant, la subvention est 93 750 $.

[4:39] Oui, donc, en juin, le MLA, Monsieur Bissière, nous a dit que le grant que nous espérons

[4:50] de recevoir pour 75 000, a été augmenté à 94 000.

[4:55] 93,750.

[4:56] 93,750.

[4:58] Donc, en avril, on a reçu 4 projets de parcs divertisques qu'on appelle multigénérationnel.

[5:08] On a procédé à l'analyse des soumissions et Ichmar et Gréati de Jean-Beth qui est à l'écran à remporter l'analyse du mal de Puy.

[5:21] Donc je peux montrer quelques photos.

[5:23] Oui, il y avait 4 soumissions et c'est appelé Jean-Bétte qui a mis en place ce proposement

[5:34] qui a mis en place les critères.

[6:16] Ok, on va continuer.

[6:21] Donc là, j'ouvre la première période de questions.

[6:27] So first question period is open now.

[6:30] Y'a-tu des questions?

[6:35] Mme Kitty a élevé sa maille avant.

[6:39] Quand on en voit au casino que ça va être environ?

[6:42] C'est dans le champ.

[6:45] Ça ne va pas dans le bois, là.

[6:47] De base, là, c'est le parc.

[6:50] Oui, où est-ce que c'est plus là?

[6:56] Où est-ce que le monde peut aller faire le technique?

[6:58] Oui.

[7:03] M. Legault?

[7:05] Je voulais savoir, le bout du chemin est-ce que vous voulez faire de Bruxelles,

[7:10] avec la maître, le bout du chemin, ou pas cette année?

[7:16] McDonald's.

[7:16] Vous voulez dire, l'assaltage?

[7:18] Oui, s'il vous plaît.

[7:20] Là, actuellement, on atteint sur le plan de drainage MTQ, c'est pas ça que ça soit bon.

[7:25] Là, parce que c'est une reconstruction au chemin et que ça prend un plan d'ingénieur pour la salle.

[7:31] L'MTQ, c'est millier de dents et ça prend un plan de drainage.

[7:35] Donc là, on atteint un plan de drainage MTQ pour annexer avec des documents du plan d'ingénieur pour faire la job.

[7:42] Parce qu'on peut pas juste prendre l'eau de la côte et la donper sur le highway.

[7:45] Donc là, c'est ça qui retarde le projet.

[7:49] Probablement, c'est pour cette année.

[7:51] On espère l'année prochaine?

[7:54] Oui, puis là, il y a des programmes de pension qui ont sorti,

[7:56] il a prêt pour la semaine, il a pu appliquer avant la fin septembre.

[8:00] Donc avec les coûts estimés de l'ingénieur, on va pouvoir déposer

[8:03] pour essayer d'avoir plus d'argent possible pour faire les travaux.

[8:07] Ça, c'est un côté-là, c'est déjà fait.

[8:09] Le plan d'ingénieur préliminaire est fait.

[8:11] L'institivité préliminaire est fait.

[8:13] Là, c'est vraiment le plan de drainage qui est eu là-dessus.

[8:17] qui branle, c'est ça qui prend le chemin.

[8:19] Nous autres, on aurait besoin de faire ça il y a deux ans,

[8:21] mais là, depuis qu'il faut faire ce temps de vénage, là...

[8:23] Mais le vénage, c'est quoi, l'eau du chemin?

[8:26] Ça ne faut pas oublier l'eau.

[8:27] Parce qu'on ne peut pas juste adomber ce chemin,

[8:29] il y a des scènes de vénage en sens en sens,

[8:32] mais il faut raccorder ça à ça.

[8:33] Il faut trouver une trace pour envoyer l'eau

[8:35] pour qu'elle se ramasse le chemin.

[8:37] C'est pas compliqué le même temps pour toi, hein?

[8:41] Non.

[8:43] Mais c'est ça qui fait un mystère,

[8:44] c'est une des impôts qu'il ne peut pas faire.

[8:46] Do you guys say that in English?

[8:49] Oh yeah.

[8:50] John's question was about paving.

[8:53] We're going to do one McDonald's road

[8:54] from the hotel in about a kilometer.

[8:56] When we started into that project

[8:58] we wanted to get it done fairly quick.

[9:00] But

[9:02] we had to get an engineer plan for the asphalt

[9:04] and because we're reviewing the road

[9:06] for reconstruction, we had to get an engineer plan.

[9:09] That's fine, that's okay.

[9:10] Now they have to use involved

[9:12] et ils devraient s'occuper de l'adrénalité.

[9:14] Donc avant d'avoir l'autorisation pour faire le travail,

[9:16] nous devrions avoir l'adrénalité de l'appréciation de l'NTQ avec l'adrénalité.

[9:20] C'est ce que c'est pour ça.

[9:21] Vous le payez pour?

[9:22] Non.

[9:23] Bien, oui, avec le grand.

[9:25] C'est la moitié qu'on va avoir avec le grand.

[9:27] Mais c'est là que l'on va aller sur ce projet.

[9:31] Je veux dire, avec toutes les conditions de notre paiement ici, pourquoi c'est payé?

[9:35] Il y a beaucoup d'eau dans cette région,

[9:37] beaucoup de trafic,

[9:38] donc nous espérons qu'il y ait un problème dans la ville,

[9:39] mais encore, il va y avoir une reconstruction.

[9:41] Nous n'avons pas juste de payer sur le sol, mais nous avons besoin d'un plan d'ingénieur et d'un plan d'adrénation.

[9:51] Nous sommes maintenant à MTQ.

[9:57] Je me suis informé que le majeur de chemins a été adopté en 2021.

[10:04] La question vient de M.André Dubois.

[10:07] Excuse-moi.

[10:08] Allez-y.

[10:09] Oui.

[10:10] Le plan de chemins a été adopté en 2021.

[10:43] Et ça a délaié tout le monde pour la limite de temps ou quelque chose à l'endemain de cette année.

[10:50] Mais ils ont demandé une extension d'une année.

[10:53] Et nous ne l'avons pas entendu.

[10:55] Alors, maintenant, qu'est-ce que nous nous implementons ?

[10:59] Le plan de l'usage de 1993 ?

[11:01] Oui.

[11:02] Tout

[11:05] l'ozone, tout l'usage, toutes les activités sont de 1993.

[11:09] Maintenant ?

[11:10] Maintenant.

[11:15] Il y a beaucoup de choses qui n'appliquent pas maintenant. Certaines choses.

[11:23] Et ça a dû être réveillé et correcté et porté à la standard d'aujourd'hui.

[11:47] c'est-à-dire, c'est...

[11:59] Je n'ai pas le droit de le dire.

[12:01] N'y a-t-il quelqu'un ?

[12:02] Le même papier ?

[12:03] Ne le reades pas.

[12:05] Ne le reades pas ?

[12:05] Non.

[12:06] Je n'ai pas le droit de le dire.

[12:06] C'est par Gilbert White Duck.

[12:09] Donc, vous savez, j'ai regardé les deux histoires, et en fait, l'ensemble du papier,

[12:13] mais ça a sorti dans cette désignation du Gatineau-River.

[12:19] C'est-à-dire que, si vous regardez sur notre nouveau plan de land,

[12:23] pas seulement sur le Gatineau-River,

[12:25] mais il y a, je pense, huit zones qui ont tout à faire avec la récréation.

[12:32] Vous faites le fait que la rivière de Gatton et tout le land de gouvernement

[12:35] sont tous designés comme récréation.

[12:40] Nos zones de conservation ont été complétées complètement pour la récréation,

[12:44] récréation, récréation.

[12:47] Je pense que la chose fondamentale est l'environnement maintenant,

[12:51] comme on peut le dire.

[12:53] So my question is being that you're implementing 93 aspects to islands on the river and conservation

[13:03] areas that are bound to be or eventually going to be retro forestry that if you push back

[13:11] on certain bylaws should you not respect the environment a little more than having recreation

[13:16] everywhere.

[13:16] Oui, nous avons notre Chémo, vous pouvez le dire, le Chémo 93, mais il y a des lois québécoises qui s'appliquent.

[13:33] Bon exemple, ceptics. Le quidre à vendre.

[13:38] On ne peut pas aller voir ce qu'il y a dans notre bilan maintenant parce que la loi a changé depuis.

[13:45] Il y a certaines choses.

[13:47] Pardonne-moi.

[13:48] Est-ce que vous pouvez construire les îles maintenant?

[13:50] C'est dans le processus de trouver outures.

[13:53] Nous avons des informations parce que, comme vous le savez, beaucoup de l'île a été achetée.

[14:00] Et maintenant, s'ils vont commencer les constructions, ils vont falloir faire la même taxe base que les résidents de Mainland.

[14:10] Maintenant, en tant que septique et tout ça, tout ça doit être regardé.

[14:14] nous ne connaissons pas tout, c'est tout nouveau à nous.

[14:16] Donc, notre inspecteur a de l'aider,

[14:22] à trouver exactement ce qu'est la municipalité

[14:26] et ce que les propriétaires doivent faire.

[14:31] Si ils ont acheté une île juste pour protéger les gens,

[14:34] il n'y aura pas d'activité.

[14:37] Ils vont être payés des taxes sur les propriétaires,

[14:40] mais il n'y aura pas de services.

[14:43] que ce soit le récord de la rivière.

[14:43] Le point que ce jeune homme est essayant de faire

[14:45] est que le tout bleu de Gatton du River

[14:47] et le BRC de la Valle de Gatton

[14:48] sont désignés à l'aigre de Flieff

[14:52] ou le récord de Flieff.

[14:54] Le tout bleu de Gatton du River

[14:58] est désigné.

[15:00] As a recreation area, there's intensity there that could be overwhelming if it's not conducted properly.

[15:08] And as far as our area, we missed the boat on that, the municipality, and letting it go into private hands.

[15:18] I can understand the mainland, but the water should have been, and so it was okay for 100 years

[15:24] still hide you decide to sell the land the way it was so why would it not be okay

[15:29] the way it was for a hundred years for the next hundred years of leaving that

[15:36] part of the river you know unexploited because don't forget the

[15:44] Gatineau's man-made if it wasn't man-made it wouldn't be the boats and the

[15:49] activity on that water that it is today you are correct on that one that's for

[15:53] sure. But the thing is, is that what you said a while ago, Agro-Flevelle, whatever you

[16:00] want to call it. And then, and the other one is what?

[16:04] Recro-Flevelle.

[16:06] So there's, I'll be honest with you, I've not heard those words up the line. Not once.

[16:13] Well, I have the, I was set by the urban planner back in August 2021. And it's right

[16:22] here and this is the one they adopted and it says agrofleur I can't even say the

[16:28] word yeah so this is the one that's adopted but okay maybe it was adopted

[16:41] but now that like you said Haido decided to sell all those islands that

[16:49] It doesn't necessarily mean they're going to stay recreation.

[16:53] If somebody wants to build a house on bigger islands,

[17:01] I can't, well, the activities might stay the same, but the zone may change.

[17:07] I don't know.

[17:08] Yeah, I know, but if you read what the activities are possible on being zoned,

[17:15] either one the activities are well I have to I have to say one thing when

[17:22] hydro owned them there wasn't a lot of attention brought to how the zoning of

[17:29] those islands were what the activities were because they all belong to hydro

[17:34] and even even on on the river's edge on mainland there's a certain amount of

[17:40] hydro at when they own that part. But there was no, there wasn't a lot of

[17:48] attention put towards well that island's recreation and that one is this or that

[17:54] way there was none of that. It was all it all along the hydro so nobody paid

[18:00] attention to it. Well yeah there was there was a lot of people using hydro

[18:08] But Haidu didn't monitor their islands either, so, you know, you know yourself, St. Mike's used to send the students as a good deed.

[18:18] They used to go by canoe and everything and clean up all those islands in the fall before the winter came, and they still do it.

[18:25] well you know these extra activities are potentially going to happen I mean we're

[18:32] having a hard time right now with with fire and rescue and it's costing us a

[18:41] bloody fortune so we start putting people on islands and that aspect of the

[18:50] potential of this you know something over there we don't have the

[18:54] capability of getting there and so why would we put that restraint where it's

[19:04] going to cost the taxpayer a lot more money to to to control these extra

[19:12] activities in areas that we have not been yet and we're having a struggle

[19:18] right now I don't I disagree a little bit because our fire department have

[19:25] doing a lot of practices and you know they've been going sometimes they get

[19:31] calls there's a fire on an island we have the boat we have the personnel they've

[19:35] been training for it and they go and they check it out so I wouldn't I disagree

[19:40] when you say we don't have that kind of resource we do the thing is is that if

[19:45] people are going to start building on islands it's not any different than

[19:49] building 20 kilometers down Fieldville Road. You take a fire truck, yeah, they

[19:55] have the equipment, they have the generators, they have the pumps, they have

[19:58] everything. And a boat and plus a river to draw water from. So I support the

[20:08] fire department and they, you know, they train for it all the time, as well as

[20:13] It's all the other training they have.

[20:15] Can I say something, Carol, about the mine?

[20:17] The mine claims, all in the same topic

[20:19] that he's talking about, the conservation area?

[20:21] Yeah, you could, yeah.

[20:22] We got a much bigger problem coming to Lowell again,

[20:27] like maybe a one or two buildings on the river.

[20:29] I don't know if you know, Andre,

[20:30] but there's mining claims that have been staking low.

[20:33] And we were looking, we were getting ready,

[20:36] we passed bylaws, the MRC's working very hard

[20:38] to try to put a stop to some of this stuff.

[20:39] but the entire manatee area of the Trout Lake,

[20:43] a beaver loss area, all men's state towns

[20:46] are living by climate.

[20:48] Peace 12.

[20:49] Is started.

[20:50] Yeah.

[20:51] So we got a much bigger fight coming

[20:53] than worried about, I know what you're saying

[20:56] about the river, the fight that we have coming

[20:59] is gonna be so much bigger than that.

[21:01] I know the conservation area you're talking about,

[21:04] that's where that mine and plane is,

[21:05] where you fought so hard to protect

[21:06] the main post river road.

[21:07] Yeah.

[21:07] Because that mine goes in there,

[21:08] there's going to be no more men. There's 12 claims up there. Mr. O'Connor's got a cottage back there.

[21:13] He's going to be impacted with that too. Indeed. And so the fact is that it's been

[21:21] redesignated in the 21 plan gives it more adaptability to having that mind

[21:30] compared to what it was designated before where you had the potential in

[21:35] government supported it, the provincial government supported those

[21:40] usages of the forestry zone and the conservation area but your new plan is

[21:45] not supporting the government is not the new plan is not supporting the

[21:50] restrictions that it had of the 93 plan compared to the 21 plan. You understand

[21:55] what I'm saying? The problem with mining ongoing is that we can put all the

[21:59] bylaws that we want for conservation. That if the

[22:02] Conspection is successful. It doesn't matter what we're gonna have for bylaws once the government issues MNRF issues of

[22:11] Permit we can put the bylaws over blue in the face. We're not gonna be able to stop them great deals for the room

[22:15] They got a 21 22 million dollar losses try to stop a mine and company Canada right Canada graphic

[22:22] They tried to stop them. Well, yeah

[22:26] So I understand

[22:28] Read this, and you'll see mineral rights, it's everywhere.

[22:33] Every damn designation has extraction.

[22:37] Every five, every one, every usage has extraction.

[22:45] Agriculture, forestry, but you look at the 93 plan, you'll see a difference.

[22:51] Those extraction rights, so you're talking about Andre, that's for me and you, for John.

[22:56] A multi-billion dollar company that will be able to connect government for a permit, they're not going to care about the attraction rights, whether there's rights or not.

[23:03] Dreadbills from the Rouge found out about it.

[23:05] That's what I'm saying, 93% weren't as generous with the usages.

[23:10] I agree with you 100%, but what I'm saying is, the issue that we're going to have at hand, this doesn't mean that this mind is going.

[23:18] Potentially the mind is going, even if we would have kept restrictions and wouldn't have changed the ultimate outcome of that mind.

[23:25] After your opinion, I'll do respect.

[23:28] There's jurisprudence on this.

[23:29] It's what I'm trying to say.

[23:30] OK, so if it refers back to this article,

[23:32] are you willing to push back?

[23:34] And you were applauded for pushing back.

[23:36] So let's push back here.

[23:40] But we are.

[23:40] Let's back a couple of steps here.

[23:43] Something's telling you something,

[23:44] if you've got to step back for a year to comply

[23:50] with the MRC plan.

[23:52] Obviously, you're having issues.

[23:54] We spent $30,000 in 2015 with the first draft of the plan.

[24:00] How much have we spent now?

[24:02] 24,000, I guess.

[24:03] That's almost 10 years.

[24:04] Well, we're almost at the $30,000.

[24:07] Pardon me?

[24:08] We're almost at the $30,000.

[24:10] We're very close to finishing the document.

[24:13] Keep in mind that the Shimo at the MRC level is enforced.

[24:17] So if there's a problem, that reverts, that gets the minimum of what is required.

[24:26] Can you not collaborate together as municipalities towards the MRC to say, hey, you know, you're one municipality pushing back on the head?

[24:36] We are pushing back.

[24:38] Andre, let me finish a minute.

[24:40] Just I want to interrupt a minute.

[24:41] The MRC has been working with the municipalities and we've identified a lot of areas where

[24:49] we want a temporary halt on any kind of mining.

[24:53] And it's all mapped out for all the municipalities for the whole MRC.

[24:58] And that's going to the ministry where actually it lets...

[25:02] No, it's Judi and she said, Sandra, it's Judi at 4 o'clock, you have to have

[25:07] the assessment policy so it's already gone because they gave the municipalities if

[25:13] they had any changes up to Thursday last week at four o'clock and if there was

[25:19] nothing that came in they were sending the map with our bylaw and MRC bylaw

[25:25] and everything it was going to the ministry. We sent in what we felt needed

[25:30] to be covered as well as all the other municipalities up the line so we're

[25:36] fighting for it. We don't want the mining to start. We want temporary because we

[25:41] try to protect a lot of our lakes, waterways, wherever there's cottagers,

[25:48] residential, all that stuff, the urban area. Well that's another thing too.

[25:55] They're identifying wetlands. They want the municipalities to identify wetlands,

[26:03] but it's not up to us to identify them.

[26:05] They're going, what the MRC are doing,

[26:07] they're getting subsidies from the government

[26:10] to hire an expert, an expertise to go on all the territory

[26:15] of the MRC to identify the wetlands.

[26:18] Because if you go,

[26:20] at Rava des Agat, their maps are not accurate

[26:26] because they're taking maps that are not even recent.

[26:30] And they're identifying some wetlands

[26:32] that some have dried up, you know, it's not accurate, so that's why they want to hire

[26:39] the expertise with the money from the government.

[26:44] Now they may need to do it twice, but see, even then they're going to identify all the

[26:51] wetlands, that's one thing.

[26:55] Then even on Crownland, so then you have these miners that come in and all the effort

[27:02] you went through and the money that was spent to identify the wetlands then you've got a mining

[27:07] company to size off this is where we're going to work this is where the graphite is this is where

[27:12] we're going to dig I understand that mayor so you look at this plan again and it says welcome to

[27:18] the wild wealth we don't give a shit about the environment this is what this plan says

[27:24] A new 90 or 2021 land use agreement plan says, let's go, who gives a shit about water or

[27:32] environment?

[27:34] You know, that's what that says to me.

[27:37] And if you read this very 600 page document, you will see that, yeah, they say one thing,

[27:43] but they obviously will do another thing compared to what we were in 93.

[27:49] This is obviously a money maker. Yeah, I understand that but I'm sure we can compensate somewhere

[27:58] that's to infuse money into our municipality other than destroying the environment.

[28:05] Point taken. I'm sorry, Mr. O'Connor.

[28:10] Did the install ever think of blinds and blinding rights, especially around lakes like the Manitou

[28:16] Lake, the Coat Lake up in Manassas, have you ever thought about doing that?

[28:21] No.

[28:22] There are some property owners that already did.

[28:24] If you have the mining rights to a certain partial, they can have mine there, unless you

[28:28] want them to.

[28:29] But you never even thought of doing that?

[28:31] It wasn't brought up as an alternative.

[28:35] I can tell you more on our side, we're like the gang around Tribal Inc.

[28:39] We're organizing to buy whatever is left.

[28:41] How much has gone already?

[28:45] But the thing is, it's fun to interject a little bit.

[28:52] The municipality cannot buy mining rights on a private property.

[28:56] They don't own it. It has to be the property owner.

[28:59] No, but I mean Ms. Palladine is not going to go around buying mining rights on everybody's property.

[29:07] Carol, big companies are coming in and buying mineral rights on private property.

[29:12] Yeah.

[29:12] The municipality could have bought mineral rights on those properties. Most of it is government. It's the Koran.

[29:20] That's what that 12 claims are.

[29:24] I don't know why you couldn't have thought ahead of that a little bit, anyway.

[29:26] That's just one question. Second question, did we have, when the hydro was selling all these islands and

[29:34] partial of the land beside the river, did we ever think about getting involved in that?

[29:39] Did you discuss it?

[29:41] We did purchase three lots around the municipal dock.

[29:46] Around the municipal dock?

[29:48] And along, you know where the old dock used to be?

[29:51] Yeah.

[29:52] Right up there, all that area too.

[29:55] We did talk about buying more than that though.

[29:57] Yeah.

[29:57] No, no.

[29:58] We talked about buying the island.

[29:59] Yeah.

[29:59] There was some people...

[30:00] We're on the table at the time. We couldn't we couldn't come to consensus, but especially the last

[30:07] Decide the knockup. Yeah, we're working on it. Yeah, we're working on it. It's a future plan for now.

[30:17] I can't. Well, no, we committed. We committed to we passed a resolution for the amount that they

[30:24] were asking for and everything. It's just that the money has not changed hands because it's all

[30:29] there and they are all agreement because previous administration tried to buy that

[30:33] previous install it by the by those back section and they wouldn't sell it for

[30:37] nothing well they did offered one one little small section or was about an

[30:41] acre and a half or half a million dollars no we got a promise to purchase

[30:46] yeah that's how far but we have three lots three lots of total of twenty five

[30:52] $25,000.

[30:54] Three lots in total for $25,000. So it's no, but that's what we got it for.

[31:04] Okay, going back to the picture you had up here, and that'll be my last question. Why are you doing that?

[31:10] Why not in the core of the village?

[31:13] We have another plan on, we haven't, I'm sorry. Yeah.

[31:18] Why wouldn't you build it in the core of the village where the schools are, where the arena

[31:23] is, where this hall is, where all the ball fields are?

[31:27] Why would you go to the top of the hill?

[31:29] There's no locals that are going to go up there.

[31:30] That's going to be people that would drive and fly on the road.

[31:34] And that's the end of my question.

[31:36] Pretty answered.

[31:38] Well, it was the best area because the municipality owns it.

[31:44] Ms. Palladine owns that property and we don't own the ball parks.

[31:51] The West Quebec does. We have a lease with them but West Quebec own it.

[31:55] We don't have any other property here in the village

[31:58] that the Ms. Palladine owns. That's the only property that the Ms. Palladine owns

[32:02] and it made sense to put that type of park there.

[32:06] But we also are working on another project that we think is going to

[32:10] satisfy a lot of people.

[32:12] It's just that I'm not at the liberty to say what it is right now, but it's going to be in the village

[32:23] Yeah

[32:27] Well, when you people live in lowly like I'm gonna have to drive my kids there people from the field

[32:33] I'm gonna flip it around where do you propose we build this one?

[32:41] Well, where we don't own the last

[32:45] Well, we don't have first room to put it, and Western Quebec wants the ball field.

[32:48] We can put it in the park, and the people won't be having it, you know where to park.

[32:52] You can make a deal with West Quebec for a lease of 100 years.

[32:55] We have a lease with them, but they use the ball field to play football.

[32:58] So we can't do what we want to do.

[32:59] There's a section across, off the ball field on that side.

[33:03] Big enough, but any allow over there.

[33:06] Anyway, it's, we have future plans, and like I said, we're not at Liberty to talk about it right now

[33:13] because it's in the process of being created and also to build a request for subsidies.

[33:25] Is that part of the grand scheme of Canada, 30% by 2030, this part?

[33:34] No. It's the Ministry of Education.

[33:45] They're the ones that committed 75,000 towards it.

[33:50] And then in May this year it was brought up to 93,000.

[33:57] Okay, where all these mining rights are, you've heard of the 30x30 2030, 30% of Canada lands

[34:05] and waters are going to be designated as parks.

[34:08] I suggest to you, on the Manitou, there's 2,500 acres of government land.

[34:15] Let's get involved in that and designate that as a park.

[34:19] I agree and goes back to, I didn't get the full detail, this gentleman called me back and I was quite surprised, Gilbert.

[34:30] And anyway, personhood is not only a designation for rivers, but yes, 2,500 acres up there.

[34:41] The government has given money for parks, for ecological reserves, all that type of stuff.

[34:50] And I think that would be our counter.

[34:53] Not that I'm saying it would stop the mining, but it may slow it down to over and suck it all up.

[35:04] Any government land we should be able to, in our municipality, designate it as a park.

[35:10] Now that the pressure of mining is on us, you got to, as this article says, push back.

[35:20] I've taken note of that. I'm going to find out.

[35:23] But yeah, see if it's at all possible or how it works.

[35:29] Yes, Mr. Hickey.

[35:31] Yeah. This part, Mr. Moonville.

[35:34] Well, when that's first started, I thought it was supposed to play structure for kids.

[35:37] That's not a play structure for kids. That's a part to do exercise in.

[35:41] It's multi-generational. It's not just for adults, it's for children, it's kids as well.

[35:47] Well, I don't see any play structures in those pictures.

[35:51] Where's the play structures?

[35:53] Well, there's exercise, whatever. Where's the loatafile?

[35:58] The monkey bars.

[36:01] The climbing.

[36:27] I mean Mr. Hickey, why don't you write a note to the office?

[36:31] I'm not writing notes, I'm just telling you what's going on, why don't you just take a look outside

[36:36] and you can see there's no sound under anything.

[36:39] Okay, are there any other, I'm sorry, are there any other questions?

[36:43] I only took some initiatives, started to cut grass.

[36:46] Are there any other questions? You have still to question.

[36:49] I have another question about the hydro.

[36:51] I'm sorry, the what?

[36:52] About the hydro in Quebec, about buying all this property out.

[36:57] Honey, when I was taking my property out on the farm up there, I wanted to buy some land

[37:02] from Piper, Quebec.

[37:03] They said, no, we can't sell that because it's only been sold for flooding.

[37:08] And I went down to Hull and I found a paper that says that it can't be sold as recreational

[37:14] use.

[37:15] It can only be sold for flooding.

[37:17] If they put the water higher and put the dam higher, they don't have to buy that land.

[37:21] They can put the water up over the top.

[37:24] So if you're buying property, you better get a good notary to check into all of that because you're going to get into trouble.

[37:31] And these people that already bought, there's something going on there because they never checked nothing.

[37:36] So I'll tell you what it is, boy. They sold the land without legal warrant.

[37:41] So that means, you know what that means, without legal warrant.

[37:48] So if you get precious for, well, we bought the land, so we can't build on it.

[37:52] Well, you'll go back and say, I go solar to you without legal warrant.

[37:57] So they have no argument on anything.

[38:00] And they have no business selling in the first place.

[38:02] That's not on us. That's not on us. That's on Hydro.

[38:04] I know it's not on you guys.

[38:06] But it's on you guys that people are going to start buying it,

[38:08] or you should tell them, say no.

[38:10] That land, you're not supposed to be buying it.

[38:12] And this valley's not in business.

[38:13] They'll float it and run it around.

[38:14] We can't. We can't.

[38:14] It seems to tell them everything else, so when they come to get a permit, if it's a whole other story.

[38:22] That's another story.

[38:24] Yeah, if they come to get a permit.

[38:25] No, that's a whole other story.

[38:27] Okay, are there any other questions?

[38:31] Is there any other questions?

[38:33] No?

[38:34] We'll go ahead.

[38:37] Adoption du procès verbal du 7 août, adoption of the minutes for the public meeting on the 7th of August.

[39:13] So the bills we paid for the month of August 2023, an amount of $28.45, and so the bills

[39:20] $266,200 and $8.45.

[39:24] She was one of the third proposed.

[39:27] How second?

[39:28] Maureen McAvoy.

[39:30] I pay.

[39:33] Autosization of signatures.

[39:36] Solution technical.

[39:38] I'm sorry.

[39:39] Go back.

[39:41] Vote.

[39:43] OK, we'll go back to adoption of the minutes.

[39:47] Before the vote, it is presumed to be adopted by everyone.

[39:50] Okay.

[39:51] With the administration, the bills are paid bills.

[39:56] I am saying...

[39:58] Maureen.

[40:00] Yes.

[40:01] The two Maureen's have said yes.

[40:03] Yes.

[40:04] Lee Angus.

[40:05] No.

[40:07] And then Justin Robes is absent.

[40:12] This is the paid bills.

[40:14] So, the telephone signal authorization, signature authorization for telephone solution.

[40:24] So, it's for a new system, MDL Telecom, which has submitted an offer.

[40:34] And then it costs us $210 plus tax per month.

[40:37] So it is for a MDL Telecom solution or telephone system.

[40:45] They gave their offer and was the best price for $210 plus tax per month

[40:52] for both the municipal office, heritage hall and the library.

[40:57] I'm going to start.

[41:00] So, I was a robot and I'm a little old.

[41:08] Thank you.

[41:09] Do you like my voice?

[41:11] My name is Michael Boyd.

[41:12] I'm a little old.

[41:13] Yes.

[41:14] Liengis.

[41:15] Yes.

[41:16] And I'm a robot.

[41:18] Thank you.

[41:20] Contribution, walk, walk, walk.

[41:23] So contribution for kidney, has to do with a walk for kidney, and men are walking.

[41:32] So we're giving a contribution of $100.

[41:36] We're giving a contribution of $100.

[41:39] So I need a proposal.

[42:01] I think we're doing great.

[42:07] We're doing great.

[42:07] I'm going to say Lila.

[42:07] We're going to be looking at one of our

[42:08] filaments, signalization, camionette, F-250, 2023,

[42:13] très beau public.

[42:15] So it is for a signal scroll bar for the F-250, 2023,

[42:20] a public works truck.

[42:23] In the amount of?

[42:24] That includes a backpack and plasters?

[42:26] Yes.

[42:28] So it's in the amount of?

[42:30] Le montant de 2,940 et 50 plus tax.

[42:33] Then, we authorize a tax refund of $3,088 on a period of five years.

[42:42] So it is $2,940.50 plus tax.

[42:48] And we are authorizing a loan from the Working Fund for $3,088.

[42:58] Keep in mind that the 2,940 plus tax is more than that, but we get reimbursed the GST and 50% of the PST.

[43:11] So that's it.

[43:13] The mountain is higher than that with the tax,

[43:17] but because the muspentis is being reimbursed,

[43:25] TVQ, TPS, 50% of TVQ.

[43:29] That's it.

[43:30] Thank you.

[43:31] Thank you.

[43:32] Thank you very much.

[43:37] Justine and Maureen Rice, so the vote is for Maureen Rice, Maureen McAvoy, the other one is Lee Angus, Justine Rabin.

[43:49] Then we arrive in the middle of environmental hygiene, there's nothing on the agenda.

[43:59] Urban planning either.

[44:02] We go to Loise-Couture-Communications or Recreation Culture and Communication.

[44:09] So this is for APELDOF 2023 701 002, Conception, Furniture, Installation, and Terrain,

[44:23] exercices multigenerational. So, call for tender 2023-701-02, design supply and installation

[44:34] of a multi-generational exercise park. So, as it was explained earlier, there were four

[44:45] bids that came in. There were two that had the same

[44:51] pointing evaluation, but one of which had the best price. So

[44:56] the contract is with Iqypmar, Iqypmar, Iqypmar, and Iqypmar.

[45:01] Donc, c'est ça, comme il a été mentionné plus tôt, madame entre madame Martineau et madame

[45:08] McAvoy, de la façon que ça procédait, parce que aussi ça a été, c'est important à dire

[45:15] que ça a été mis sur le S.A.A.O. Donc le système gouvernemental, on a eu quatre soumissionnaires,

[45:25] deux de ces soumets, c'est à dire là, ils ont eu le même montant de pointage, mais il y en a un

[45:32] à particulier qui a tombé, il était moins cher que l'autre. Donc, les équipements récréatifs

[45:37] j'ai envie d'incorporer sont les gagnants du contrat. Donc, j'ai besoin d'un proposant.

[45:44] Justin Robin, Maureen McAvoy et le vote, Maureen Rice,

[45:53] Louis McAvoy, l'activerge,

[45:58] Lee Angus,

[46:04] et puis Justin Robin. Merci beaucoup.

[46:08] dans la deuxième période de questions.

[46:12] Second question period, if there are any.

[46:26] Yeah, you can go on the, pardon me.

[46:32] C'est la seule façon que tu vas voir ça.

[46:35] Oui, c'est terrible, tu sais.

[46:36] La communication maintenant avec les gens qui ne sont pas involvementés dans les computer

[46:42] et c'est vraiment difficile d'acheter et d'avoir de l'information maintenant.

[46:46] Nous sommes très restrictés à l'AI.

[46:51] Je peux avoir quelque chose.

[46:53] Excuse-moi, Mme Martineau.

[46:55] Question.

[46:57] Si les gens viennent de la bibliothèque, ils ont accès à des audits.

[47:03] Si vous allez dans la bibliothèque, vous pouvez avoir l'accès à la site de la ministère

[47:09] et voir toutes les demandes en bas.

[47:19] Pour tous les clé, vous pouvez aller sur le site, vous pouvez cliquer sur l'Académie pour voir qui

[47:34] s'investit, à quel âgeوا nous, ils le placent domestic, etc., et d'autres personnes tenu.

[47:44] des résidents, des résidents autour des lacs, ils s'enregistrent pour protéger l'arrière.

[47:52] Il y a encore un manque d'information ou de transparence, parce que je l'ai entendu, mais je ne savais pas exactement où c'était.

[48:33] On peut faire des choses à la computer pour des informations,

[48:37] ou plutôt que d'aller au public,

[48:41] ce qui est parfois un burden pour des gens.

[48:45] Et donc, oui, informationaise, c'est l'inquiétisme.

[48:49] Et c'est une très importante information

[48:53] que les gens devraient être conscients,

[48:56] plutôt que d'aller à la computer.

[49:00] Et je pense que les municipalités devraient être plus invitées dans l'information

[49:06] plutôt que les municipalités d'affaires, comme les droits minéraux

[49:11] qui s'imposent sur notre municipalité.

[49:14] Ce n'est pas imposer sur le Council, c'est imposer sur nous,

[49:18] que l'on a publié, en faisant un deal avec ce que cela intervient.

[49:25] Aujourd'hui, l'âge d'électronique, c'est...

[49:30] André, j'ai aimé la computer tout le temps.

[49:33] Je l'ai only found out last week.

[49:37] Et oui, c'est là.

[49:40] Donc oui, ce n'est pas très important d'avoir ça.

[49:42] Donc,

[49:45] regarde ce qu'il y a dans l'Ontario.

[49:49] Il n'y a pas de problème.

[50:20] Mais on va faire ça.

[50:21] $69 à la célébration.

[50:22] Ce que je veux dire c'est que vous devez faire ça.

[50:24] Et puis, qu'est-ce que c'est la célébration ?

[50:25] $69 à la célébration.

[50:27] Et ils vont faire ça.

[50:28] Et non, non, non, hang on.

[50:29] Ils vont faire ça.

[50:30] Vous allez être allé à la célébration pour trois ans.

[50:32] Si vous n'avez pas besoin d'une prospection,

[50:33] après trois ans vous devez le donner.

[50:35] Donc, ce que nous allons faire,

[50:36] c'est que nous allons faire ça.

[50:39] On va faire ça.

[50:40] On va faire ça.

[50:40] On va les coller après trois ans,

[50:40] mais c'est tout.

[50:41] Et on va avoir du mien.

[50:42] Et ça va finalement nous donner...

[50:44] Parce que après trois ans,

[51:15] peut-être vous, peut-être Floyd, peut-être Mr. Dooso, John, vous avez beaucoup de land.

[51:19] Nous devons tous s'en aller ensemble et nous devons prendre des clés sur nos propriétés,

[51:22] ce que nous devons faire.

[51:24] Ce que nous faisons à la maison, le gang est en train d'organiser,

[51:26] nous sommes organisés pour acheter tout ce qu'il y a, nous sommes trop tard pour ce genre.

[51:29] Mais nous allons essayer, avec le gang de Caz, de protéger aussi beaucoup de land que nous pouvons.

[51:33] Si il y a 25 de nous, maintenant nous pouvons protéger ces clés chaque 3 ans entre le gang et nous.

[51:38] C'est ça que nous allons garder la compagnie de la mine.

[51:41] L'Eau va seulement protéger le land pendant 3 ans et nous sommes prêts.

[51:43] Comment pouvons-nous ne pas se trouver dans deux semaines ?

[51:48] Vous m'avez perdu, vous êtes complétant.

[51:49] Non, non.

[51:50] C'est une autre question.

[51:52] Si vous vous avez trouvé ça, ok, c'est bien.

[51:55] Ce que j'ai demandé, c'est que je me souviens,

[51:57] c'est que ça peut être maximum,

[51:59] mais il y a beaucoup d'abris.

[52:00] C'est 54,9.

[52:04] Je peux aller à ma computer,

[52:05] je vais y aller.

[52:06] Si vous êtes patient avec moi un second ?

[52:11] Oh, ok.

[52:13] Ok.

[52:14] Do you, uh, you...

[52:16] Is your email connected to... does the office have your email?

[52:20] Ok. Tomorrow...

[52:23] We'll send you the link.

[52:32] No,

[52:35] you can't. Not in the same name.

[52:36] Il faut que vous puissiez faire des prospèches, ou des prospèches.

[52:40] C'est comme ça que les jeux sur les lits que vous avez, avec Brian O'Connor et tout votre gang,

[52:45] nous avons tous besoin de nous enlever de quoi qu'on peut.

[52:49] Et votre place, et John's place, et Mr. Duesel's place.

[52:52] Mais c'est pour enlever ce qu'il y a.

[52:56] Il y a beaucoup de prospèches qui ont été faites.

[52:59] Je vais faire des raisons pour que la municipalité puisse enlever tout.

[53:02] Et ça ne nous donnera rien.

[53:33] c'est l'exact point que j'ai essayé de faire pour vous,

[53:34] que nous ne pouvons pas acheter toutes ces claims,

[53:36] parce que ce n'est pas possible.

[53:37] Il n'y a que 1 claim, probablement,

[53:39] 250 hexagons, qui s'entendent

[53:41] d'une main à deux, en haut.

[53:42] Vous savez, chaque claim, chaque claim est...

[53:45] Si nous devions acheter toutes les claims en haut,

[53:47] après 3 ans, nous devions les donner,

[53:49] nous devions les perdre.

[53:50] Si quelqu'un d'autre s'est venu et achetait la claim,

[53:52] il n'y aurait qu'un drill.

[53:53] Oui, on va commencer à boire tout le monde.

[53:55] Il n'y aurait qu'un drill sur tout le parcel que vous avez dit.

[53:59] Mais ça ne serait qu'à prendre en compte le claim de Manitou Troutlake.

[54:03] Qu'est-ce qu'il y a à l'arrivée ?

[54:04] Qu'est-ce qu'il y a à l'arrivée ?

[54:06] Entre Manitou et Troutlake, il y a 12 claims.

[54:10] Chaque claim est à peu près...

[54:14] Je ne sais pas si c'est 50 m2 ou 59 m2.

[54:20] Je vais vous montrer le map.

[54:21] Je vais vous montrer le map.

[54:23] Oui.

[54:24] Mais après 3 ans, nous devons les donner.

[54:26] c'est pourquoi nous avons à organiser les ordres de l'Ordre, nous avons à organiser et nous avons à commencer à vendre des ordres de l'Ordre.

[54:31] Et donc, votre nom nous donne à un individuel ou à une organisation ?

[54:35] Nous en avons à la maison à savoir ce que nous allons faire. Je vais acheter comme je peux.

[54:40] Mon ami va acheter un peu. Christian, mon père va acheter un peu.

[54:43] Oui, il ne faut pas aller en train de vendre.

[54:45] Il ne faut pas aller en train de vendre. Il faut que l'un d'entre nous soit en train de vendre.

[54:49] Oui, il faut que l'un d'entre nous soit en train de vendre.

[54:51] Il y a 25 de nous maintenant, donc on peut protéger tout ce qu'il y a.

[54:53] pour quelques années, entre la gang et nous.

[54:56] On dirait que l'Elysium s'est déçue.

[55:00] Je ne veux pas que l'Elysium s'occupe de moi,

[55:01] même si c'est de lui, de lui, de lui, de lui.

[55:05] Je ne veux pas que l'Elysium s'occupe de moi,

[55:06] si on ne veut pas ça.

[55:06] C'est ce qui se passe.

[55:08] Nous n'avons pas réalisé la voiture.

[55:10] Wow, c'est une grande chose.

[55:12] Dieu, regarde ce qu'on fait dans la Terre.

[55:14] Tous les 70 ans, nous avons réalisé que la smoking,

[55:17] c'est une grande chose.

[55:18] Nous avons réalisé que, après tant de décennies,

[55:21] c'est une issue.

[55:22] Et donc, je pense que le point de vue est qu'une chose qui ressemble bien aujourd'hui

[55:29] va être la chute de 70 ans.

[55:32] C'est que ça tombe pour les espèces humaines qui réalisent qu'est-ce que j'ai fait.

[55:38] C'est comme ce plan.

[55:41] Je pense qu'il devrait être un acte plus pro-actif

[55:43] d'avoir donné une certaine information sur ça.

[55:46] Je ne sais pas...

[56:23] C'était Saint-Téraïs-le-Guet-Snow, que l'on s'occupe d'un propriétaire et qu'ils ne savaient pas pourquoi il était là.

[56:35] Pour le moment, la loi s'éteint clairement et c'est de la ministère qui dit que si il y a quelqu'un qui veut faire un nouveau prospectus d'une sorte ou d'avoir un propriétaire privé,

[56:47] il faut qu'il y ait 30 jours avant qu'il y ait un plan à faire. Il faut que l'on envoie la lettre à l'auteure de l'auteure. Il faut que l'on notifie la municipalité.

[56:54] Ce n'est rien comme ça. C'était fait en Sainte-Eraïs et ça a été une grande concernée.

[57:03] Ce qu'ils ont fait, c'est que l'inspecteur a fait une complète aux ministres et la compagnie de la mining.

[57:11] Ils n'avaient rien à faire mais ils ont dit qu'ils ne pouvaient pas aller là-bas.

[57:16] basicly

[57:17] unless you do this and it's in their

[57:20] law they have to follow the law the ministry's law

[57:24] some of them aren't doing that

[57:26] and that's why we try to tell people

[57:28] you know if you see strangers on your land

[57:31] find out who they are

[57:32] if they have anything to do with mining

[57:35] tell them to leave

[57:36] they have no right to be there

[57:38] you did not get anything in writing

[57:39] Quand j'ai trouvé ça, Matt,

[57:41] c'était le soir de la soirée.

[57:42] Je l'ai appelé, il était le 1er appel,

[57:44] le 2e appel c'était de votre voisin.

[57:46] Je l'ai appelé, j'ai dit,

[57:48] si vous avez besoin de l'alcool,

[57:48] vous allez y aller, ne laissez pas.

[57:51] Il était le 2e appel.

[57:52] C'est qui?

[57:53] Brian O'Connor.

[57:54] Je savais qu'il allait aller dans ce propriétaire,

[57:56] qu'il allait y aller.

[57:57] Oui, vous voyez,

[57:59] vous donnez un an de plus

[58:00] quand vous vous laissez couler la bouche,

[58:02] pour aller y aller.

[58:03] Et regardez,

[58:04] il y avait probablement des prospectus là-bas

[58:06] quand ils allaient couler la bouche.

[58:30] Oui, mais tu ne peux pas l'envoyer, c'est-à-dire que tu n'as pas besoin de la permission de l'adrôme pour y aller.

[58:35] C'est vrai ?

[58:36] Oui.

[58:38] Et c'est dans les mines de Québec ?

[58:40] Ils doivent notifier les propriétés et les propriétés de l'économie.

[58:43] 30 jours avant, ils planent de mettre un pied sur ces propriétés.

[58:48] Si les propriétés et les propriétés de l'économie ne veulent pas,

[58:49] c'est pour l'autorisation.

[58:52] Mais vous ne pouvez pas arrêter l'endroit.

[58:54] Si ils trouvent les internautes et qu'ils ont un permis,

[58:56] c'est 100 % correct.

[58:58] Oui.

[58:59] C'est mon question.

[59:01] Pourquoi ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne

[59:05] Le problème est que, en 3 ans, nous ne pouvons qu'enlever, nous ne pouvons qu'enlever les 3 ans, quelqu'un d'autre n'a qu'à vendre tous les plots de 3 ans.

[59:14] Ce qu'il y a après, c'est une graffite.

[59:16] C'est pourquoi nous avons besoin d'organiser le jeu, nous avons besoin de l'organiser, nous avons besoin de l'organiser, nous avons besoin de l'organiser.

[59:22] Vous savez, le M.R.C. est imposé sur les municipalités de ce plan.

[59:28] Pourquoi ne les municipalités ne sont pas tous ensemble et imposées sur le M.R.C.

[59:33] pour contrôler ces droits de mignes dans leurs langues?

[59:39] Les zones agricoles imposent la régulation.

[59:43] Je m'explique tout ce que le M.R.C.

[59:46] Vous dites MRC, mais c'est en fait la table de maires.

[59:50] Et tout le travail que l'on a fait pour essayer de mettre au moins une protection tempérale sur tout le land

[59:57] qui a été sélecté par chaque ministère.

[1:00:01] So that plan and map was sent to the ministry, actually this week I believe, to stop the minors

[1:00:13] from mining anything temporarily until we get to the next step, like when we're going to get

[1:00:19] more information as to what we're allowed to do, what we can't do, or what they're allowed

[1:00:24] to do and what they can't do and so on because there's a lot of factors like

[1:00:29] if you if you look at I don't know a section there's one MRC or municipality

[1:00:36] closer to Quebec I think it is but anyways they're fighting it because they

[1:00:41] don't want any mining going on on this particular mountain because that's their

[1:00:45] main source of water for the town down below. So that's it.

[1:00:53] They've got like giant posters around by the roads and there's an organization of, I think

[1:01:00] it looks like lake associations that have come together and it's, I can't remember what

[1:01:08] It's called protectionpetitnation.com, so they've got a fancy website, so they're, like, advocating

[1:01:15] and organizing it. But they're, because there's a lot of agricultural land there, too, of course,

[1:01:23] and it's recreational. But they're fighting the government of Quebec who sees an opportunity

[1:01:29] to make some money from these resources because everybody wants lithium because that's what's in there.

[1:01:36] It's not lithium, it's graphite, and they need that to make batteries.

[1:01:40] Well, there's lithium as well.

[1:01:42] Well, there's more graphite in our MRC than in the Netherlands.

[1:01:45] You could find a great dose of the rouge.

[1:01:48] I was wrong, it wasn't 22 million, it was 96 million.

[1:01:50] The town tried to stop counting the graphite, and they turned around with a slap loss

[1:01:54] which was 96 million dollars.

[1:01:56] some of the counselors got sued for slander the town got sued the town was

[1:02:00] reduced to making a deal with them and one of the quarries is no I don't know

[1:02:04] that they'll ever put a mind in there when you got a quarry over this this is

[1:02:08] what we're tending with and the lithium is all part of the Quebec Canada

[1:02:12] worldwide green plan and the Quebec government wants that they find lives

[1:02:17] in here there's nothing we can do I'm telling you they're gonna put a mind in

[1:02:19] there if they find lithium that's what the Quebec government wants so you

[1:02:22] know what this is telling me is that we have to look at our land and respect it

[1:02:29] more to what potential if we don't implement the correct zonage that we'll

[1:02:35] get stepped over no and everything else I'm gonna repeat myself here the zoning

[1:02:40] that we're gonna put in for mining is gonna have zero impact on whether a

[1:02:44] mine comes here or not because it has to be proposed whatever zoning we do is

[1:02:50] proposed to the provincial government before it's accepted so I mean to make

[1:02:57] them aware of something that we're not not for and against in a way to protect

[1:03:03] our our land we have to live with it they don't when they cut the bush the man

[1:03:19] But I'm just saying, the mines are the same thing.

[1:03:22] But you know what you're saying, exactly.

[1:03:26] I know what you're saying, but I feel you.

[1:03:28] We're limited where we can use it.

[1:03:31] Well, again, so this is proposed by the MRC,

[1:03:34] and you people have the pushback power to say,

[1:03:38] no, we don't like this particular zone,

[1:03:40] or we don't like this particular,

[1:03:42] what you're suggesting for us to adopt.

[1:03:45] So, yeah, I mean, we should be imposing on them, not them imposing on us.

[1:03:53] Because look at when we let them impose on us.

[1:03:59] When you say them and us?

[1:04:02] MRC.

[1:04:04] But you don't understand.

[1:04:06] MRC is only 1987, don't forget.

[1:04:09] They only came into existence recently.

[1:04:11] We used to be a municipality for what are we, 180 years now?

[1:04:15] anyway we got along without a regional government and so to let them impose their

[1:04:22] their thinking on us it is wrong as far as I'm concerned especially when there's

[1:04:27] 17 municipalities and you mayors get together and I don't know what to

[1:04:32] discuss up there or whatever but are you telling me cattle as the 17

[1:04:40] them, mayors get together, you guys are coming up with these ideas? Is that what you're telling me?

[1:04:46] No, a lot of the so-called ideas you're talking about, they come from ministries. It could be

[1:04:54] environment, it could be all the ministries up the government, these will get all those places

[1:05:01] and they bring information to us and they let us know exactly what the information is about,

[1:05:09] if there's a new law out and then at the Quebec government like there's a

[1:05:16] few of them right now I'm not going to go into that because it opens a whole

[1:05:19] can of worms right now we'll get to so from that information that's where the

[1:05:27] mayors decide well okay we're going to support it or we're going to advance

[1:05:32] and make a bylaw and then from there the bylaws are filtered down to each

[1:05:39] municipalities, depending on the subject matter.

[1:05:44] I know you like to say it's

[1:05:48] always the MRC this and the MRC that. It doesn't work that way. They bring the

[1:05:53] information from the government departments to the mayors. There's a lot

[1:05:58] of laws, there's there's project laws that are being brought to our

[1:06:02] attention.

[1:06:05] Both Maureen McEvoy and myself are going to the the FQM in September

[1:06:12] which we're going to get more information for our municipality and all

[1:06:18] municipalities as you know as a rule and see how we implemented into certain

[1:06:25] laws how we implemented into our surroundings because every municipality

[1:06:31] is different. So there's some bylaws that may not be identical because of our topical

[1:06:39] viscose trap. Yes.

[1:06:44] You've been mining rights for how many years back?

[1:06:48] Well, there's some of them I verified at one point. I verified some of the claims that

[1:06:55] were registered back in 93.

[1:07:00] They were...

[1:07:02] Well, and even when they drilled the 2-in-12, that's what they were looking for was minerals.

[1:07:09] That was done.

[1:07:11] The helicopter was going around with the thing underneath it.

[1:07:13] Yeah.

[1:07:15] And then the ones that Stein was just describing, the 12 claims between Venosta and basically

[1:07:24] Martindale.

[1:07:27] The majority were registered just in June this year. I think it was the 14th of June.

[1:07:33] There's actually three of those claims. One was on the 3rd, the 4th, and the 5th, and the remainder were all on the 13th of June.

[1:07:42] I was just as surprised as I had no idea that that was going on.

[1:07:47] So are you afraid to get environmentalists involved in here because that is designated as a deer yard for one thing.

[1:07:54] And I'm sure there's all kind of ecological species or whatever up there.

[1:08:00] So yeah, so why can't MRC and the municipalities get environmentalists involved in the saying that, you know,

[1:08:07] and the government, if it designates the restrictions for the sugar bush was incredible because of a deer yard.

[1:08:14] And so why is that restriction no longer there?

[1:08:18] It is the map that we looked at.

[1:08:20] It's a deer yard.

[1:08:21] Yeah.

[1:08:21] When we got to see, they had, you know, the colored overlays for deer habitat for sure.

[1:08:28] And so can you not step in in some kind of environmental way to say, well, this is wrong

[1:08:35] to do it in an area, a very sensitive area?

[1:08:40] It's funny you mentioned that because after I spoke to Shlayan, I'm looking at this and

[1:08:46] I'm thinking,

[1:08:48] is there something, a protection, a different kind of species of, I don't know,

[1:08:54] white-tailed eagles or something that's, you know, on certain areas on that crowned land

[1:09:00] or whatever, or even anybody's land for that matter, to put it in that protection mode.

[1:09:05] I can show you some blue heron's nest, on that.

[1:09:09] I can show you some underground creeks. It's a very sensitive area.

[1:09:14] Yeah, that's what I was just saying.

[1:09:15] Is it going to be open pit or underground?

[1:09:18] I don't know. It's too early to tell.

[1:09:21] I mean, the underground is different than the open pit. That's a big thing.

[1:09:25] Underground, you don't disturb the land up of the mine.

[1:09:29] From what? The pictures that I saw?

[1:09:31] for all we know maybe this project never left off the ground maybe it was just

[1:09:34] dying we'll never get back from them but the potential it's a step in the wrong

[1:09:37] direction the potential is there now well we all know that the mining

[1:09:40] mining companies you can't stop that's that's that didn't start yet no no we

[1:09:45] knew that uh one more question i'm i'm tired of

[1:09:49] hearing but did you pass the contract to set up the

[1:09:55] Yes.

[1:09:56] How much was it?

[1:09:58] Eighty-four thousand.

[1:10:01] How much did you get?

[1:10:03] Ninety-three.

[1:10:04] Up to ninety-three.

[1:10:05] Up to ninety-three.

[1:10:06] You have to pay one-third of that eighty-four thousand.

[1:10:09] Yeah.

[1:10:10] Oh, I see. That's different.

[1:10:12] I really like your angle.

[1:10:14] Do you want to move me?

[1:10:15] You want to see that map on?

[1:10:16] If you have no other questions,

[1:10:22] You got the man where you're going? I'll take a picture.

[1:10:26] No.

[1:10:26] I'll tell you.

[1:10:30] All right.

[1:10:31] Well, it should be for all of the colleagues.

[1:10:33] That's right.

[1:10:37] I have my own.

[1:10:39] I just reached out to my own.

[1:10:40] Okay.

[1:10:42] If there's no other questions, we're going to close the meeting.

[1:10:46] It's 8.10.

[1:10:48] So we're closing the meeting at 8.10.

[1:10:52] Thank you very much. Thank you for coming.

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