[0:08] Stand for the pledge of allegiance.

[0:12] I pledge allegiance to the flag United States of America to the republic for

[0:18] which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible,

[0:23] justice for all.

[0:34] Oh, really?

[0:40] » Get used to it.

[0:52] » Okay.

[0:56] I'm going to call to order the regular public meeting of Lower Point Township

[0:59] Board of Supervisors for Tuesday, September 8th, 2026.

[1:03] Board of Supervisors did meet in executive session on August 31st, 2026,

[1:08] and prior to tonight's meeting to discuss matters of real estate related

[1:12] to the public works garage, personnel related to police, and potential

[1:16] litigation related to emergency management and parks.

[1:20] One announcement I want to make sure that everyone is aware of and remembers.

[1:24] Our fall fest is Saturday, September 19th from noon to 5:00 p.m. Enjoy an

[1:29] afternoon of fall fun on the Houston road by Whistah Hicken Middle School and

[1:32] High School actually in the road. Everyone come out if you can. A special

[1:38] board of supervisors meeting will be held on Tuesday, October 6 at 7 p.m. in

[1:42] the township building to discuss a proposed zoning ordinance amendment

[1:46] regulating data centers. want to open it up to citizen comments,

[1:50] concerns, and questions for items not on the agenda.

[1:57] Seeing none, we're going to move on to stormwater permitting 101 presented by

[2:03] our township engineer, Jim Hirs.

[2:13] Thank you, Danielle. Um, so Mimi asked me to give this

[2:18] presentation to uh the board and to the public as just an kind of an overview of

[2:23] the MS4 permit program uh where we're at now and where we're moving to in the

[2:29] future. So um the next slide please Jamie. The MS4 MPDS

[2:36] permit program uh MPDS stands for National Pollutant Discharge Elimination

[2:41] System. Uh MS4 stands for municipal separate storm sewer system. Uh this is

[2:47] a federallymandated permit program. Um it's enforced by EPA. I believe it came

[2:52] into effect uh as part of the Clean Water Act. Uh EPA pushed those

[2:57] regulations onto uh Pennsylvania D who pushed those regulations onto local

[3:04] municipalities. So much like storm water, the regulations run downhill and

[3:08] you guys didn't really have anywhere else to uh push them off to. There you

[3:12] go. [laughter] So, uh the ultimate goal of the program

[3:16] is to uh recognize and increase awareness uh for storm water as a

[3:20] pollutant or a point source pollutant discharge. Um so what ends up happening

[3:24] when there is any kind of a pollutant on the ground and it rains uh the raindrops

[3:29] pick up those pollutants and then that's what travels to the creeks and uh causes

[3:34] them to be impaired. So um you know we're trying to manage storm water and

[3:39] then we're also trying to raise awareness and um you know clean it up.

[3:44] Next slide. Um so the base of the program is four uh

[3:50] best management practices which are called minimum control measures. Um

[3:55] basically through the township staff through some assistance from uh my

[4:00] office through your u environmental advisory committee and through you know

[4:05] the board of supervisors you're you're complying with these minimum control

[4:09] measures uh public education and outreach. There's a storm water page on

[4:13] your website where residents can go and they can click on information and they

[4:17] they can see kind of what's going on with storm water in the township, what

[4:21] they can do to um you know do their part. We'll go over that in a little

[4:25] bit. Uh public involvement and participation. Your EAC has the Gwenned

[4:30] Green program where they're sort of um you know challenging residents to um you

[4:36] know increase awareness and then also just be involved in overall

[4:40] environmental concerns and storm water things as well. Um elicit discharge

[4:45] detection elimination. So there's about um [clears throat] 100 outfalls

[4:51] where storm water discharges to various creeks throughout the township. So what

[4:56] ends up happening your MS4 pro or your system is like the collection of roads,

[5:01] ditches, uh drainage, inlets along the road, pipes, and then those all that

[5:07] stuff leads to what's called an outfall. Um, so as part of the program, every 5

[5:12] years, my office goes out and we screen the outfalls to make sure that if

[5:18] there's dry weather flow in those outfalls, which means it hasn't rained

[5:22] within 72 hours and there's flow in them, then we take a sample and we send

[5:26] it to a lab and we make sure that that is like clean water or ground water most

[5:30] likely. And it's not um you know somebody has a

[5:35] sort of uh someone has a bathroom in their basement that they have connected

[5:38] to something that they're not supposed to or um you know any other it's not

[5:42] coming from any place that's not clean water. So we we test those on a 5year

[5:47] rolling cycle. Um we we haven't really found any that have uh something in them

[5:53] but if they do then we sort of try to trace it back and and figure out where

[5:56] the um you know pollution might be coming from.

[6:00] uh construction site storm water runoff control. It's uh basically done through

[6:05] the ENS permits and um you know construction erosion control stuff. Um

[6:11] you know you see the silt sock, you see the tire cleaners like during

[6:14] construction is a big time when sediment can run off because the ground's

[6:19] exposed. So, you know, everybody that moves any earth in the township has to

[6:23] have an ENS plan and a permit in place. And our office is overseeing the

[6:29] construction uh post construction, storm water management, development,

[6:32] redevelopment. This is uh handled through your storm water management

[6:37] ordinance because anytime anyone proposes a thousand square feet or more

[6:41] of imperous surface, they're required to install storm water management controls,

[6:46] whether that's a rain garden, a seepage pit, a rain barrel, storm water basin to

[6:51] control runoff so that post construction their storm water is um less or

[6:57] equivalent to what was there from pre-development.

[7:00] uh pollution prevention, good housekeeping.

[7:04] The township has a public works, you know, you public works garage, you've

[7:07] got various public's works facilities. Um, you know, that's Fred making sure

[7:13] that there's spill kits at everywhere where there should be spill kits that

[7:17] when they wash the trucks, it's going into a drain that eventually goes to the

[7:22] sanitary system and and not to the storm water system. Um, so a lot of the

[7:27] pollution prevention, good housekeeping measures are are the public works arm of

[7:31] this. Um, I will say that D comes out about once every 5 to 10 years to to do

[7:38] an audit of the program. Jamie, myself, Fred uh met with the D people and uh

[7:44] they were all very happy with everything that the township had been doing to kind

[7:48] of comply with these six MCMS. [clears throat] What uh what can

[7:53] residents do to help? There's uh some information on the website as I said,

[7:57] but like you know just kind of making sure that like your stuff um you know if

[8:02] you're washing your car, it's draining to you know your your yard instead of

[8:07] right down your driveway and into a storm drain. If it gets to the yard,

[8:11] then the grass and the soil can have a chance to kind of get some of those

[8:15] pollutants out before it gets to the creek. Um you know, cleaning up after

[8:18] your pets, pretty self-explanatory thing. Um, you

[8:23] know, you could consider planting uh more trees at your house. I know

[8:28] everybody likes to use fertilizer in their yard because they want their yard

[8:31] to look really nice. And I I use it myself, so I'm not going to say don't

[8:36] use it, but um you know, if you could use it as sparingly as possible cuz a

[8:40] lot of the waters are impaired for nutrients, and one of the uh primary

[8:45] contributors to nutrients is fertilizer in our lawns and yards. um you know,

[8:50] properly dispose of hazardous materials. Um if you've got old paint or um you

[8:56] know, gasoline or oil or whatever, like those have to go to a like a recycling

[9:01] facility that they can't just be dumped into the ground or dumped uh you know,

[9:06] into the storm drain. And then you can also report um if you see any discharges

[9:11] from any of the outfalls that you think are um you know, a pollutant, then you

[9:16] know, report it to the township. I think there's probably a link on the website

[9:20] or the you guys have that traer links thing, right?

[9:24] » Yeah, we have the citizens request portal and there's a storm water um

[9:28] option in there that you could report anything like that.

[9:32] » Okay. >> Um what would be a pollutant or what

[9:36] would be a constitute a discharge to call about? Next slide. Um, anything

[9:42] that's like you see discolored water, a color you're not expecting to see. I

[9:47] mean, the picture shows what happens when like oil mixes with water or

[9:50] gasoline mixes with water. Uh, so does it have a sheen, a film, a foam, an

[9:55] odor? Um, if you see a bunch of dead fish in the creek, that would probably

[10:00] call.

[10:05] um the another so the MCMs are like the baseline for the program and those have

[10:12] been around for since the program was started which I'm going to say was about

[10:17] like 20 years ago now. Um but in the last like 5 to 10 years there's this

[10:24] extra layer of it and those are um pollution reduction plans. Um, so if

[10:29] you're if you had an impaired water within your township and you guys have

[10:34] two, you actually have the the whisten watershed which is probably 90%

[10:41] of your township and then uh the little naminity is the other, you know, 10 to

[10:46] 15%. Both of those are impaired for uh

[10:51] sediment and and nutrients. So, we we had to do a pollution reduction plan and

[10:56] that was a five-year plan to implement um best management practices, BMPPS to

[11:02] uh you know try to clean up the water as best as we could. So, what was a

[11:07] pollution reduction plan? Um we had to reduce the overall uh sediment to the

[11:13] waterways by 10% and the nutrients by 5%. So, there was a like I said an

[11:18] initial 5-year term. It was 2020 to 2025.

[11:22] D um decided to extend that 5-year permit

[11:27] term uh to 2030. So, we basically just had to reapply and we got granted an

[11:33] extension to 2030. So, what type of improvements were made. Uh we did some

[11:38] rain gardens. Uh there's one at the back corner of this township building where

[11:42] there used to be a landscaped island next to I don't even know if it was

[11:47] landscape but there's an island next to one of the parking rows and uh you know

[11:51] it got hogged out. It got some amended soils in it. It got planted with some

[11:55] native plants and then there's about let's say like a quarter of this

[12:00] building the roof drains from it were redirected and then they drain into

[12:04] there. It fills up and then it eventually drains to the creek. So it's

[12:07] cleaning water. Um, we did basin retrofits where like a lot of basins

[12:12] that were put in in the 80s and 90s. They didn't do water quality. They were

[12:18] just really concerned with flood mitigation. So, um, you know, we did

[12:22] some retrofits there. I have a couple slides later on of ones that we did at

[12:26] Springhouse Farms in the adjacent community here where there were, uh,

[12:30] concrete lowflow channels that we were were were taken out and they were

[12:34] naturally planted. Uh we also did some stream bank restoration. There was a

[12:38] stream bank restoration project that happened behind the township building um

[12:43] in conjunction with the replacement of the uh old Betham Pike culvert. You can

[12:49] also do new basins and you can do riparian buffer enhancement forestation

[12:54] and and meadows. Those are all like examples of things that can be done in

[12:57] the plan. Uh so this is just a little bit about

[13:00] the springhouse farm basin retrofit. That picture the top left shows like the

[13:05] concrete low flow channels that go through. There's basically two places

[13:09] where the storm water would come through pipes and then go and lead towards that

[13:13] outlet on the left. Um you know in the summertime the sun is baking that

[13:19] concrete. That concrete's hot and then the flow comes through. It runs across

[13:24] that concrete. It gets hot hotter picks up the heat and then gets into the

[13:29] creek. And the thermal impacts to the creek are a big deal because the aquatic

[13:33] life is used to a temperature that uh you know the creek is at and then an

[13:38] influx of this warm water comes in and you know they don't like it. The center

[13:44] picture is just kind of like the native planting and kind of what we ended up

[13:47] doing. We took out the low flow channel. It became a meandering river rock

[13:53] situation. Um that river rock doesn't get as hot as the concrete. And then

[13:58] also the plantings, the native plantings on like 10 feet of either side of that

[14:02] um create the the native look that um you know increases improves water

[14:07] quality, reduces the thermal impact. The the native plants create a more diverse

[14:13] eco system and uh there's a reducing reduction in runoff through infiltration

[14:18] evapo transpiration. So that's a example of a project that counted towards the

[14:24] PRP pollution reduction plan. the uh Willow Run stream bank enhancement that

[14:30] was uh upstream and downstream of the new culvert that's behind the township

[14:34] building. Um before there was some pretty significant erosion on the top

[14:40] and bottom of the the culvert in that area and then leading down towards

[14:45] Betham Pike. Um the project creates uh more like uh gentler banks and um also

[14:54] the plantings and uh matting and and all the

[14:58] reinforcement will help to solidify the soil and prevent future erosion. Um so

[15:03] there's kind of like a before, a during and then um that's after picture that

[15:08] Fred took last week. So it's like it's growing in pretty nicely and I would

[15:12] expect it to grow in um a little better too as it moves on.

[15:19] So kind of next steps and you know I'll answer any questions anyone might have

[15:23] but uh so the current permit term will end in 2030. There's uh one more program

[15:29] or there's one more um project that we're going to try to get done before

[15:34] 2030. It's in the little Namin Creek wershed which is essentially the corner

[15:39] of the township that is bound by Mckeen Tennis and Welsh Road. Um like J&J's

[15:47] campus is a big part of that and uh you know those neighborhoods

[15:53] that um are at the corner of Tennis and uh Welsh Landfair Llewellyn like all

[16:01] those are in that area too. There's not a lot of space over there to do a lot of

[16:06] like improvements, but um we did identify there's two creeks that go

[16:09] through J&J's campus and um there's a potential to do some storm water to do

[16:15] some stream bank stabilization there. We had some discussions with them a while

[16:19] ago. We actually put a grant in for it, but we didn't get it. Um but you know,

[16:25] we'll just keep trying to try to get a grant to do that one last project. But

[16:28] like generally speaking in, you know, consideration of like what I know about

[16:34] other neighboring municipalities and like similar situations, you guys are

[16:38] definitely in a good spot and like ahead of the curve for this. Um,

[16:43] and then, you know, before the 2030 permit term ends, D's definitely going

[16:50] to come up with some kind of new regulation to try to make you guys do

[16:55] five more years of projects. They just haven't said what that will be yet. I

[17:00] mean, they teased it a little bit and they took some comments on it, but I

[17:04] mean, it's just basically going to be you got to do some more projects. We got

[17:08] to try to find places for those projects. Um, it will become harder

[17:13] because the

[17:16] avail like the township only has so much land. So, you're going to have to really

[17:20] start to probably try to partner with um different entities and and try to get

[17:25] creative with how you get it done. But until we know what the rules are, it

[17:29] doesn't really pay to sort of guess on it. Um the other thing, the Whisick and

[17:36] Clean Water Partnership, um we call it the Quip. Um about 10 years ago, I'd say

[17:44] 10, yeah, 10 10 12 years ago, the D released a draft of what they call a

[17:50] TMDL plan. It's a TMDL stands for total maximum daily load. Um they were

[17:57] basically saying that the um the Whisticken Creek was impaired for

[18:02] phosphorus which is a nutrient and that the uh it was a draft and that if it was

[18:09] released that you know all municipalities would have to comply with

[18:12] this and some of the reductions were very very very very steep like you know

[18:18] you've got to reduce 95% of all phosphorus that goes to the waterways.

[18:24] A lot of municipalities, a lot of engineers thought that it was an

[18:28] unachievable goal. So there was a coalition of like 13 municipalities that

[18:35] formed the Swiss Hickin Clean Water Partnership to work with D and the EPA

[18:40] to come up with what they call an alternative TMDL. Basically like will

[18:45] you not release this thing you said you might release if we come to you with a

[18:50] plan that you deem equivalent to that? And um I mean they've been working with

[18:56] D and the EPA for like 10 years now and they haven't quite come to a resolution

[19:02] on that yet. Um lower when it is part of this quip. I I think you're all aware of

[19:07] that. And um you know eventually when the quip gets approved

[19:13] they're going to the quip is going to come to lower and they're going to ask

[19:17] that you you know buy into the the plan and there's going to be certainly you

[19:23] know more improvements that will will need to be made yet to be determined

[19:27] whether that quip and those improvements uh relieve you of what's 2030 to 2035 in

[19:35] D's eyes like D won't say. You can ask them, but they won't say. Um, so that's

[19:42] kind of where we have that at. Is there anything you

[19:46] want me to add to that? Do you want to add anything?

[19:51] Just say that we've just received DP's comments about it. Um, there is a

[19:57] meeting on Thursday of members of the Wisconsin Clean Water Partnership to

[20:01] discuss it. Um, this was months ago. EPA had sent comments to D really what

[20:08] sounded like questioning the whole premise of the alternative TMDL

[20:13] which is kind of doing this watershedwide approach to storm water

[20:18] improvements instead of focusing specifically on reducing the phosphorus

[20:22] which is what exceeds the the total maximum daily load that they want to

[20:27] see. Um, DP acknowledged some of that in the comments, but also sort of

[20:33] acknowledged the years of work that have been done to summarize it in a nutshell.

[20:39] This sounds to me like years more work trying to get this water quality

[20:42] improvement plan ready for adoption. I don't know if they're going to really

[20:46] give us more that much more time. They there was no indication in the comment

[20:50] letter that they wouldn't, but we'll know more about how this is going to

[20:56] proceed after the meeting on Thursday. Hopefully,

[20:59] that's the management committee of the group.

[21:04] » May I ask when we last got our permit? Was it 2025 or was it 2020

[21:10] from D? Yeah, we we applied at the end of last year and I think we got it at

[21:16] the very beginning of of this year. >> So in theory, five years, 2031, 2030,

[21:24] » 2030, I think is the what I would say I'd call it. I think

[21:27] » Do they ever wait 10 years? >> Yeah, they've always done it in five.

[21:31] » They've just always been fiveyear cycles. This is the

[21:37] I think they intended to come out with new regulations for this permit cycle,

[21:42] but to be honest with you, there were so many municipalities that sub because for

[21:49] the 2020 permit, I think we submitted in like 2017.

[21:54] » Yeah. And then D took three whole years to review everything, the PRP plans

[22:01] before they gave us our permit in 2020. >> And then we had 5 years and we were

[22:07] working towards that. But you guys were one of the first ones to get a permit.

[22:13] Like there were municipalities, I mean there's probably municipalities that

[22:16] still don't have their first permit from when they submitted in like 2018.

[22:22] So, is there a benefit for being uh proactive and submitting?

[22:29] » I think well, you have to do the like everyone's going have to do the projects

[22:33] regardless. So, like you're I would say you're positive is that you got 90% of

[22:39] your projects done and now you could take a fiveyear breather and like just

[22:42] try to get this one extra one done. And while you're doing that and taking that

[22:46] breather, hopefully the quip stuff comes into focus and you know, you guys can

[22:52] kind of view it all together. Whereas like if you

[22:57] » because it sounds like, and this is just me, very peripheral hearing what Mimi

[23:01] said and hearing what you're saying, it sounds like the quit might be

[23:06] this and that. Meaning, we would like you to reduce your total daily load of

[23:10] phosphorus, but since you brought up >> Yeah. Yeah, but since you brought up

[23:14] storm water, do that too. >> Double dip.

[23:17] » Oh, the water. >> And so

[23:20] » it it really does. >> Instead of

[23:22] » No, I know. >> just focusing on phosphorus and the

[23:24] reduction in phosphorus, which in and of itself could be a beast. Um, based upon

[23:28] what I've seen other municipalities go through, since you brought up the idea

[23:32] that you want to address storm water, too, we can do these both things at the

[23:35] same time. And I just don't know if we're equipped or if all municipalities

[23:39] are equipped to address both at the same time. Um, now since you mentioned it,

[23:44] they might like it. Not that you have an answer. I'm just

[23:49] thinking like we may have we may have snowballed ourselves and

[23:54] » I'm assuming there's just one other project that we have identified that we

[23:57] have left or do we need to then come up with additional if they don't give us a

[24:01] new plan in 2030? you you have to do one more project between now and 2030

[24:08] » and then sometime between now and 2030 I would imagine that they're going to come

[24:12] out with guidance for the new permit term

[24:16] » and they're you're going to have to come up with new projects to comply with that

[24:21] guidance and that plan would I know D if they're trying to start the permits in

[24:27] 2030 then they usually they want the applications about 180 days before for

[24:32] that. So you're looking like mid 2029 to have the plan already.

[24:37] » If you got to have the plan by mid 2029, you probably start working on the plan

[24:41] » the beginning of 29, end of 28. So, but we can't come up with a plan until they

[24:48] give us guidance and guidelines on what that needs to happen. And then I would

[24:52] have would really hope that by that time they've made a decision on whether you

[24:58] know because you're going to have to you're going to have to do projects for

[25:01] the >> Quip if you so choose to join the Quip

[25:05] [clears throat] >> and whether those projects will count

[25:08] towards the obligations in the new permit term

[25:13] » 2030. That's a question I don't know the answer to. Do you know?

[25:17] » No. Yeah, that's the unknown. But then the other piece is um like Jim mentioned

[25:24] the township has a TMDL on the little namin as well. So the quip is completely

[25:31] focused on the whista hicken. Um so you're still going to be under an

[25:36] obligation for the little namin. So the little namin TMDL is it because we don't

[25:42] have wastewater treatment here and so the my understanding is the phosphorus

[25:46] is controlled by the processing of sewage. Is that accurate?

[25:50] » That's uh one way that it enters the system I'd say. Yeah.

[25:55] » Um so without the sewage treatment what would our what would our obligation

[26:00] be to the little namin? Well,

[26:05] all of the storm water improvements like a a new basin or a basin retrofit or any

[26:11] kind of water quality situation like does reduce phosphorus and reduces the

[26:16] nutrients. So, >> so you're making the argument that

[26:19] managing storm water does reduce phosphorus. So that they should be one

[26:22] in the same storm water reduction and TMDL should be the you're making the

[26:26] argument for the [laughter]

[26:28] » I'm not uh >> uh I don't know what it is for the

[26:36] » I don't think it's phosphor I don't think it's phosphorus I think it is it's

[26:41] um >> nitrate so nitrate uh yeah it is it's

[26:44] nitrogen you're right >> yeah which is mostly the fertilizer

[26:47] stuff >> yep

[26:49] » okay >> just got to tell old York They can't

[26:51] fertilize any [laughter] of their >> Okay. I think this I think this frames

[26:58] things well. >> Okay.

[27:00] » I think it's a lot of and this is just my I'm only one supervisor. I think from

[27:03] my perspective it frames things well. I think we it's a lot of unknowns and we

[27:06] need >> D to

[27:08] » I think unfortunately there's a lot so there's unknowns coming from D and then

[27:11] there's a lot of unknowns coming from the like Quip angle too

[27:15] » because there's just there's a lot of projects that are being proposed in that

[27:21] » and I'm not sure there's a great handle on how much it's like all going to cost.

[27:25] I think in addition to that I think the fundamental question is is the storm

[27:30] water management and those projects related to that answering the question

[27:34] that the TMDL posed to us meaning are we reducing the phosphorus and is and if

[27:41] that is the goal are we certain that stormwater management is sufficient to

[27:46] get there >> I don't know if we know yet I don't know

[27:51] if we know course of action if that's the most economic course of action I

[27:54] think storm water management will help but I just I remember the TMDL asking

[28:01] for the phosphorus to be reduced by 95% or something like that and like DPS's

[28:08] approved BMPPS to treat a certain amount of phosphorus

[28:13] might might treat 60% or 40% and that's only from the drainage area that is

[28:21] captured >> if you're talking about like every drop

[28:24] of water that falls falls on a township and 95% like you got to catch it all in

[28:28] something to do 60%. And then once it leaves that it's got to be put through

[28:33] something else to do. You can never get there cuz you just keep cutting the pie

[28:37] down slow. That was like the argument against implementing the TMDL as it was.

[28:44] So I think the alternative became an idea.

[28:48] » But I don't know. It's above me to tell you whether it's going to all the storm

[28:54] water improvements are going to actually make the creek cleaner or not. I mean,

[28:58] it will make it cleaner, but will it make it clean to the point where they're

[29:02] trying to get it to? I don't know that answer.

[29:04] » For the lay people, can you say what a BMP is?

[29:07] » Uh best management practice. It's essentially just the the facility, the

[29:12] storm water improvement. It could be a basin. It uh could be a seepage pit. It

[29:16] could be a rain garden. It could be a vegetated roof, uh, stream bankank

[29:21] stabilization, riparian buffer enhancement, just anything that is an

[29:26] improvement in the built world that um, you know, helps storm water.

[29:31] » Yeah. There's no way to calculate if we do all those things simultaneously, do

[29:35] we get to the 90%. >> Yeah. And I think that the

[29:39] » and the cost >> I think the Quip there's like a water

[29:45] quality sampling attachment to to the Quip plan where they're going to go out

[29:49] and they're going to sample the water pre plan and they're going to sample it

[29:54] at intervals throughout and I think they're hoping that it's going to get

[29:59] better. It probably will get better. I just don't know till what point. Yeah,

[30:04] » the D comments address the vagueness of in the water quality improvement plan

[30:10] about how much the phosphorus would be reduced um because it kind of it sort of

[30:16] becomes a side issue sort of I'm generalizing a little bit but um it

[30:20] sounds like that was EPA's guidance and D is saying you know yeah you

[30:25] technically should be setting these goals like saying with this plan we

[30:29] expect to achieve the 90% or 95% whatever it this percent reduction in

[30:33] phosphorus and we'll this much in the first five years and this much in the

[30:37] next five years and that's not in the plan now. I don't know if there's work

[30:42] behind the scenes somewhere that they can draw from to do all of that or if

[30:46] they kind of have to start over and calculate all of that. That could take a

[30:50] while. >> Yeah, I think that's kind of

[30:53] » just out of curiosity. Is there any municipality within Montgomery County

[30:56] that's not a part of a TMDL? Uh yeah, definitely. Yeah, for sure. Um

[31:02] every >> I don't want to say every municipality

[31:06] in Montgomery County has an impaired water. Most

[31:11] most do. Most in this area do, but not every impaired water has a TMDL. Like

[31:18] for instance, the penny the penny pack >> which um you know drains in the area of

[31:24] Upper Morland, Horscham, um Abington like that is impaired for sediment, but

[31:31] it doesn't have what's doesn't have the TMDL attached to it. There's like a stem

[31:38] of it that's the Southampton Creek that has one for certain nutrients. Um, but

[31:44] no, not everybody has a TMDL, but every waterway is pretty much

[31:48] » impaired in some form in this area of the state.

[31:56] » Okay.

[31:59] » I don't know if anybody else from the board has any questions.

[32:02] » Very informative. Thank you, Jim. Yeah, you're welcome.

[32:15] Next up, we have um a change order related to GMBB's

[32:21] contract um along the Old Betham Pike covert. Uh included in the board's

[32:26] packet is a memorandum um from uh township staff as well as a

[32:34] letter from our engineer kind of articulating that um township staff um

[32:40] that our engineer met with a residents um and they expressed um some concerns

[32:46] around the newly reconstructed bridge on Old Betham Pike and the I guess visual

[32:53] impact that that bridge would have. Um there was, I guess, a plan that was

[32:59] supported and and developed by our engineer. Um and that's a landscaping

[33:03] plan. It was sent to our bridge contractor. Um for pricing, we got a

[33:08] quote of $11,850. Um the recommendation

[33:13] is within the um actual budget for the overall project

[33:18] and and does seem reasonable according to our engineer and township staff. Um,

[33:24] and I think we have a a little bit of a visual talk about what that would look

[33:30] like and where it would be. Um, are there any questions from the board

[33:36] related to that plan? >> I have a question. Are um all the plants

[33:42] that are on the plan schedule um native plannings?

[33:48] Yeah. Anybody

[33:54] else?

[34:02] Nobody. So, we have you for us a consideration of this project. It's an

[34:08] additional 11,000.

[34:11] Oh, are there any Nobody was here, so I forgot. Any public questions or

[34:15] concerns? No,

[34:20] » no one. Okay.

[34:23] So, we have before us um consideration of this plan.

[34:29] Again, it falls within the actual budget of the proposed replacement for the

[34:32] bridge does appear to be reasonable. The total

[34:36] amount of the quote is $1,850 um for us to authorize uh this change

[34:43] order to GMBB. I'd like to make a motion to approve the change order um to GMBB

[34:48] in the amount of $11,850 to add to that landscaping on Old Bethlehem Pike and

[34:53] for the Covert Replacement and Stream Bank restoration for the landscaping

[34:56] around. Is there a second? >> All those in favor?

[35:00] » I motion is approved. Um next up we have consideration for our actuary and our

[35:06] pension admin. included in the board packet is a memorandum from retellent

[35:10] manager outlining um that in accordance with resolution 202320

[35:16] um they went through the selection process for professional consultants as

[35:20] it relates to um staff for for pension actuary and administrative services. The

[35:26] recommendation is for Thomas J. Anderson and Associates as both the actuary and

[35:31] the pension administrator. Included in the board packet is the RFP

[35:35] for review. Um, are there any questions from the board?

[35:40] » This something that we did internally before.

[35:46] » We have to have an actuary. So, we've had one before. What we're adding is the

[35:51] » the administr the pension administration is new. It's to take some work off of

[35:56] Melinda's desk and give it to somebody who's an expert in the field. Right.

[36:02] That's what I'm saying. We handle this in house.

[36:04] » Correct. Gotcha. >> Okay. Any additional questions from the

[36:08] board? Questions from the public?

[36:14] Seeing none, like to make a motion at the recommendation of staff to appoint

[36:18] Thomas J. Anderson and Associates as our actuary and our pension administrator.

[36:21] Is there a second? >> All those in favor?

[36:24] » I motion is approved. Next up is the consideration of or

[36:32] um Next up is the consideration to approve

[36:35] ordinance 5 558 um for the execution of the cable franchise agreement between

[36:40] the township and Verizon included in the board packet is the Verizon cable

[36:43] franchise agreement. Are there any questions from the board?

[36:48] Any questions from the public? No. Seeing none, I'd like to mo make a

[36:52] motion to approve ordinance 558 authorizing the execution of the cable

[36:56] franchise agreement between the township and Verizon Pennsylvania LLC. Is there a

[37:00] second? >> All those in favor?

[37:03] » I >> I motion carries. Next up is the um

[37:09] consideration. Hold on. Uh

[37:14] » no, Case. Yeah, >> that's good.

[37:19] » Oh, okay. I don't see it. I don't think I have the Okay, wait a minute. It's not

[37:24] working. Oh,

[37:28] » okay. I see it now. There's too many. I have four. Okay, never mind. Doesn't

[37:31] matter. Um, next up is [clears throat] the consideration for

[37:35] the advertising legal notice authorizing execution of a renewed cable franchise

[37:39] agreement between the township and Comcast of PA LLC. included in the board

[37:43] packet is a memorandum outlining um the agreement. Are there any questions from

[37:48] the board? How come mine says Ryzen? >> It's fine.

[37:56] » Um the highlighting in the Comcast agreement is that like for our benefit

[38:00] » like two >> and then Comcast and then it says

[38:03] similar to Verizon inside the memo. >> Yeah. Okay. All right.

[38:11] No other comments. >> Any questions from the public?

[38:16] » Seeing none, um I could make a motion to approve the authorization of the legal

[38:22] notice for an ordinance authorizing executive execution of the renewed cable

[38:26] franchise agreement between the township and count and Comcast of PA LLC and

[38:31] Comcast of Southeast PA LLC. Is there a second?

[38:35] » All those in favor? I >> motion carries.

[38:43] Next up, we have the invoice report um for September 8th, 2026. Are there

[38:50] any questions from the board?

[38:58] Seeing none, I'd like to make a motion to approve the invoice report. Any

[39:01] questions from the public? Seeing none, I'd like to make a motion

[39:05] to approve the invoice report for September 8th, 2020 26. Is there a

[39:09] second? All those in favor? I. >> Motion's approved. Um the minutes for

[39:15] the meeting of August 25th, 2026 were included in the board packet. Any

[39:18] questions, concerns, or updates from the board?

[39:23] Seeing none, I'd like to make a motion to approve the minutes um for the

[39:26] meeting of August 25th, 2026. Is there a second?

[39:30] » Second. >> All those in favor? I motion is

[39:32] approved. Um, next up we have the supervisor leazison on reports. Demi, do

[39:36] you have anything? Oh, no. I'm sorry. I skipped this. The leazison reports are

[39:40] added are included in the in the board packet. If you have any questions, I

[39:43] switch to supervisor comments. Are there any staff updates

[39:49] now? Supervisor comments. Jimmy too.

[39:55] » No, nothing to add. >> Um, Janine, come on out for a fall fest.

[40:03] none. >> Um I have no comments as well. Fall fest

[40:06] is September 19th 12 to 5. I hope to see everybody there. Um like to make a

[40:11] motion to adjurnn. Is there a second? Second.

[40:13] » All those in favor? Meeting is adjourned.

[40:19] » Was Light.

Board of Supervisors Meeting, September 8, 2026

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