[0:00] like that. >> Yeah,

[0:03] » I think it's just about that time.

[0:09] » Few more seconds.

[0:13] » Yeah. Anyway,

[0:18] say uh welcome to the joint meeting of the boardman and the budget committee

[0:23] for the town of Wyman. They all want to salute the

[0:28] Thank you. I aliance to the flag of the United

[0:33] States of America and to the republic for it stands. One nation under God,

[0:40] indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[0:44] » Thank you.

[0:48] We have uh it's been a while since I've been on one

[0:52] of these. So, >> this is the whole year at least. Uh, I

[0:57] have a few little housekeeping items that I'd like to say is I I would like I

[1:02] would like everybody to be able to be heard, whatever they have to say. Um, I

[1:07] like it if only one of us talked at at the same time. If we could do that, then

[1:12] I'm cool. And I wanted to know how you would like to proceed

[1:16] with this meeting. >> Down. Um, the budget committee met, they

[1:20] voted on most items. Um, so I was going to start off with the very beginning uh

[1:25] for the select board and then if the budget committee hasn't voted, I would

[1:29] weigh in on that. Um, and that's how I was going to proceed.

[1:33] » Okay. >> Same as usual.

[1:34] » Sounds like a plan. >> Hey,

[1:36] » thank you. >> So for salaries and benefits

[1:40] 1272559 on budget committee voted 41. What say

[1:47] you select for?

[1:52] It's a total of the salaries and benefits.

[1:55] » All right. >> Well, is

[2:00] page seven. So, there's a total of page four and then on page seven, you have

[2:09] those two together and that gives you a warrant article.

[2:12] » What was the total together? >> 272 559.

[2:28] So first time. So we don't vote because it's a workshop, right? Okay.

[2:32] » No, this is a meeting. >> This is our meeting.

[2:36] » You vote. They already did their vote. >> So I'm asking you guys your

[2:43] » your um pleasure. I'll make a motion to accept the 1 million272559

[2:49] » second. >> Any discussion?

[2:53] » Yes. >> If I could.

[2:58] This is a slap in the face. And I'm not going to make any friends

[3:03] saying this, but this is a slap in the face.

[3:07] In the real world, if you work less hours, you don't work more money.

[3:15] I sat here last year and then a town meeting and all I heard was our

[3:21] employees are overworked. We need to hire more help. And we did.

[3:29] And now apparently there's not enough work because we're going to reduce the

[3:34] amount of hours that they work and we're going to pay them more to do that. Plus,

[3:40] we're going to build a new town hall to give them a place to do this less

[3:44] work. So, we either need less employees

[3:50] or less pay. I'm 60 years old. I still go out and

[3:57] pound nails every day, whether it's hot, cold, whatever.

[4:01] and to watch my property taxes go up again

[4:06] so that to to to pay this these inflated

[4:10] salaries. I I've been hearing it from so many

[4:15] people. They cannot believe number one that we've cut the hours and

[4:20] number two that we're going to increase everybody's pay.

[4:25] If it was up to me, which it's not, I would make the town hall hours Thursday,

[4:32] Friday, and Saturday, have all our employees be part-time with no benefits.

[4:37] But I'm not going to have that. You know, nobody's going to probably support

[4:40] me on that. But this to me is a slap in the face to every person that pays taxes

[4:46] in this town. >> My opinion only.

[4:50] » Okay. I think a lot of what you just said to me is kind of a slap in the face

[4:55] to our employees in a sense. Are you here day in and day out and seeing what

[5:02] they do? Um, we made a decision based on the fact

[5:07] that we were actually losing good employees to other towns because we

[5:11] weren't keeping up. And part of the incentive to make a better work life

[5:17] balance was to close on Fridays. It's not because they don't have enough work

[5:21] for Fridays. It's because we were we were looking for ways to be creative

[5:26] with our town manager to uh be able to keep the employees that we have because

[5:33] they're good employees and we wanted to retain them. And so you can look at it

[5:38] that way. I understand your point very much.

[5:42] But that's not that's not the case.

[5:47] » Sorry. Well, I'll second that because we cut the hours so we could pay them more

[5:51] without taking out of the funds. So, that was the way that we could give

[5:55] people what they needed to be competitive. Having people coming in and

[5:59] out, it doesn't do anything for us. That's my opinion. I'm I'm happy with I

[6:04] was happy with my vote and going for this. But this vote on the salary is not

[6:08] We've already done that. We can still talk about it, but this vote is for the

[6:12] COLA increase. Is that right? No, this is for

[6:15] » this is for your budget for next year. >> No, I know. But I thought we had already

[6:19] changed the hours as well as the hourly. >> We did. Okay.

[6:23] » But I'm just going to say that I was very comfortable in making that

[6:26] decision. >> I agree with my colleagues that the

[6:30] reason why we went in the direction of closing on Fridays was for uh the sake

[6:36] of being more competitive with the other uh communities around us.

[6:41] Um

[6:44] it is difficult to find uh good help and once you do find them do your best to

[6:50] retain them. And I think this is the method uh that we're employing to do

[6:55] just that. >> It's not a win-win situation. Something

[6:58] had to come off and it was ours. But I feel good about giving the books what

[7:02] they needed so we could keep them. >> David, I agree with the select board.

[7:10] Although I do respect the opinion, um I believe it should be approved.

[7:19] » Okay. Do anybody else have anything to add to that?

[7:25] » Did you all get the handout where it showed the median? Okay.

[7:30] » I agree with you all. I think at face value it looks like they're getting paid

[7:33] more for doing less. But when you look at the bigger picture from a management

[7:37] perspective, I think bringing them up to the medium that's competitive with the,

[7:42] you know, the surrounding towns was the right thing to do.

[7:47] » Is there any more discussion by the select board?

[7:51] All those in favor? I >> I

[7:54] » David >> I

[8:00] the vote. >> Okay. General admin.

[8:05] Um, page 13.

[8:22] The amount of 207842.

[8:29] » Make a motion to accept general admin 207842.

[8:33] » Second. It's moved and seconded. Is there any discussion on that?

[8:38] David Elves, do you have any discussion on that?

[8:40] » No. >> Anyone?

[8:44] I'm not hearing any. All those in favor? >> I. David Elves.

[8:49] » I. >> It's unanimous to the four of us that

[8:53] are here. >> Page 14.

[8:57] » Elections. >> Elections in the amount of 11,300.

[9:02] Budget committee voted 5. What's you select board?

[9:08] » Move that we approve the amount of of 11,300

[9:12] for elections. >> Second.

[9:15] » Any discussion? David, do you have any discussion?

[9:20] » No. >> Anybody have any comments?

[9:24] » All those in favor? I. >> David Alves. I It's

[9:29] » unanimous.

[9:32] Page 15, the very first line, general admin insurance 34,660.

[9:40] Budget committee voted 50. What says left for it?

[9:45] » Make a motion to accept the 34660 for general admin insurance services.

[9:50] » Second. >> Any discussion?

[9:56] » You have any any discussion, Dave? >> No. Hello. Anybody else got anything to

[10:01] comment on that? All those in favor? I. David L.

[10:06] » I. Unanimous.

[10:11] » Page 16. Animal welfare. $8,85.

[10:18] Budget committee vote 5 contingency. >> Oh, I'm looking at the new one.

[10:26] » You said zero.

[10:29] Hi. >> You're doing You're doing fine.

[10:34] » Okay. Animal welfare $8,85. Budget committee voted 5. Let's say the

[10:40] select board. >> Move that we approve the amount of $8,85

[10:45] for animal welfare. >> Second.

[10:49] » Any discussion? >> No.

[10:54] » Any discussion here? I guess you guys already voted. I'm just asking anyway

[10:58] because I'm being polite and I want to hear what people's opinion. So, um

[11:03] anyway, all those in favor >> I. David LS

[11:08] » I. >> That's unanimous.

[11:11] » Right in the middle of that page, Health and Human Services, $2,400. Budget

[11:17] committee vote 5. What say board? >> Make a motion to accept 2400 for health

[11:23] and human services.

[11:27] Second >> moved and seconded. Any discussion?

[11:33] » Yes. Just uh I think we still should have made a contribution to life flight

[11:39] and to caring unlimited as we have particularly to life flight in years

[11:44] past. Just my opinion on that. >> Any more discussion?

[11:51] All those in favor? I. David Elves >> I.

[11:56] » All those opposed one three to one. >> Okay. Change

[12:05] 18 roads

[12:08] 856436. Ready committee voted 5. What states

[12:13] look for? for the amount of 8,500

[12:18] uh 856,436.

[12:26] » Second, >> it's moved and seconded. Any discussion?

[12:32] » No, >> that was the desert Brooks or something

[12:36] out. >> We took it out. Yeah.

[12:40] » All right. I'm hearing none. All those in favor? I

[12:45] » David elves >> I

[12:47] » motion carries unanimously.

[12:57] » Page 27 buildings and grounds

[13:10] 854417. Budget Committee voted 50. What state?

[13:17] » Move that the amount of $854,417 be approved for buildings and grounds.

[13:26] » Second. >> It's moved and seconded. Any discussion?

[13:29] » Sorry, what was the change? Because it actually went down a thousand and I

[13:32] can't remember anybody remember.

[13:43] I still don't remember.

[13:52] » Any more discussion?

[13:56] » All those in favor? >> I David Alves.

[14:00] » Hi. It's >> unanimous.

[14:07] Page 30, transfer station

[14:14] » B7715. >> I'm trying to get through.

[14:17] » Sorry, >> my thumb. My paper.

[14:28] I'll move to accept 377,715 for transfer station. Second.

[14:36] » Any discussion.

[14:40] » All those in favor? >> I.

[14:43] » David Elves. >> I.

[14:49] » Page 31, parks and wreck 11595.

[14:54] Budget committee voted 5. What says left forward? I move that we

[15:00] approve the amount of $11,595 for parks and wreck.

[15:05] » Second. >> Any discussion?

[15:11] Any comments from anybody? >> Sorry. Am I looking at this wrong? It

[15:14] looks like the 370. Sorry, never mind. Just looking at this. I should be

[15:18] looking at this. No, no discussion. All >> those in favor? I.

[15:23] » David Elves. I unanimous.

[15:29] reserves computer 7500 budget committee voted 50 what say for

[15:38] » move we approve the amount of $7,500 for your reserve account or computer

[15:44] » second >> it's moved and seconded is there any

[15:47] discussion those in favor

[15:51] » I >> I David elves

[15:53] » I unanimous

[15:57] » transfers station compact reserve $7,500.

[16:01] Budget committee vote is 50. What say? >> Move the we approve the amount of $7,500

[16:10] for the compactor reserve account. >> Second.

[16:16] » Moved and seconded. Is there any discussion on that?

[16:20] Hearing none. All those in favor? I. >> David,

[16:25] » I'm sorry. >> It's okay. You're good. That's

[16:28] unanimous, too.

[16:32] » Okay. Town Hall reserves, $100,000. Uh, budget committee voted 320. Let's

[16:40] say the slide board. >> What page is that on? Sorry.

[16:43] » 32 at the top. >> Oh, no. They're looking at the wrong

[16:47] page. I'm like, what?

[16:53] » What was our recommendation? >> 320.

[16:58] We voted yes. She voted no. Move

[17:02] » to accept 100,000 for reserves town hall.

[17:06] » 100,000. >> Second.

[17:09] » All right. It's moved and seconded. Any discussion?

[17:12] » Yeah. Someone refresh my me. >> I'd like to know what the budget

[17:15] committee number was that we discussed rather than 100,000.

[17:20] » You voted the 100,000 >> 3 to two,

[17:24] » but there was obviously a recommendation that was different. I had a split vote.

[17:30] » I I I have zero in my sheet soup. >> Okay.

[17:39] » Sorry. What did that cover again? I'm sorry.

[17:42] » That's the the town hall expansion. >> Thank you.

[17:46] » Yeah. >> Okay.

[17:49] » Any more discussion? >> All those in favor? I

[17:53] » I >> David Elves

[17:56] » I >> motion carries.

[18:01] » Good. >> Uh revaluation reserve 38,000

[18:06] budget committee voted 32. Let's say the select board

[18:11] » move we approve the amount of $38,000 for the reval in reserve account.

[18:20] » Second. It's moved and seconded. Is there any discussion?

[18:24] » Would you like to have a discussion? >> Are you Would you like to discuss?

[18:29] » Yeah. I I I don't think there's enough money there. Uh it's it's going to cost

[18:34] probably about 350,000. We've got like four years to go and

[18:39] there's I don't know what's in them. What's in it now?

[18:44] » 150,000 >> as of December 30th.

[18:47] 150,000. >> Okay. So, we're going to add 38. So

[18:50] that's 180. That leaves us with like 300 like another what 150 200,000

[18:57] to make up in two three years. >> I don't think the prices of these are

[19:02] going to go down any in that time frame. >> We need more money.

[19:06] I just we're going to end up hitting it at the end, but we're going to whack it

[19:10] at the end. But >> I'm just saying I don't believe there's

[19:13] enough money in there to cover the rebound.

[19:14] » Do you think that's why the vault went down three to two on?

[19:17] » Yes. because two of us thought we didn't have enough money.

[19:19] » What was the number that you guys were thinking?

[19:22] » 50 >> 50,000.

[19:27] » Well, hearing that

[19:31] » you don't want to have to pay for it all at once a year

[19:34] » because then it hurts more when it's >> Well, we have the motion moved and

[19:37] seconded and we're discussing it. So, we still have to vote this one way or the

[19:41] other. My personal opinion is I'm going to let

[19:46] it ride for this year despite the the uh what was brought up.

[19:52] I get that. But uh you all can have fun with this next year.

[20:00] » Wait, is there any more discussion? >> Just with the uh 38 grand, I would uh

[20:05] increase the balance to about 188,000. So if you

[20:11] » got to get to 350 in two years. >> Well, says here 300,000.

[20:15] » What's that? >> The estimate

[20:17] » it was 250 last time eight years ago. >> What do you think it's going to be next

[20:21] time? >> Well, we're just I'm just looking at

[20:23] » Well, we have our paperwork. What the paperwork says is estimated at 300,000

[20:28] which was previously estimated at 200,000 and we're in year five of 10.

[20:33] Mhm. >> Just for the people at home that don't

[20:38] have this to follow along with.

[20:43] » So, >> so we'll be short of 122,000

[20:49] over the course of four years. So, we may have to increase it to maybe 50,000

[20:55] in the subsequent years, but uh I'd be inclined to go with the 38 for now. Hold

[21:00] » on. Is there any more discussion on that?

[21:04] No >> hearing n then all those in favor I

[21:08] » I >> David

[21:11] » I >> anyone who's anyone opposed

[21:15] it's >> three to one

[21:19] motion carries

[21:25] okay comprehensive plan reserve account it's new uh we originally put in 10,000

[21:32] budget committee recommended 5,000 with a 41 vote. Let's see the board.

[21:42] » Um, >> okay.

[21:43] » What What was the reasoning for a different number than what were you

[21:48] recommended?

[21:53] » I think this it was the comprehensive plan committee or both.

[21:58] » This is the comprehensive plan reserve account. Yeah. How much is in it now?

[22:04] » It's new. >> There's nothing in it.

[22:07] » Yeah. >> Yeah. We just felt that we weren't going

[22:10] to need that much. >> We you I think you've already paid a

[22:13] bunch for the for the planning people. >> Yeah.

[22:18] » Behind it was typically you do comp plan revisions every 10 years or so, give or

[22:24] take, and other towns spend about anywhere from 100 to $200,000.

[22:30] So, your comprehensive plan committee has been putting in a lot of work and

[22:34] SNPDC has been working with us as well to try to keep the cost down. Um, but in

[22:40] reality, it's a lot of work. >> Do we know Do we have any idea what it's

[22:43] going to cost us this year? >> Probably half like it's probably going

[22:47] to be like 50,000 given. >> Well, we get 10 years to go at 50 grand.

[22:51] That's >> guaranteed. It's going to be 50.

[22:54] » That was that was our point.

[22:59] and they came to the board and they said, "This is a lot of work. You need

[23:02] professionals to do this." Um, so in 10 years, 10,000 every year you get to h

[23:08] 100,000 that's what other communities are paying 100,000 upwards of $200,000.

[23:14] » The reason the reason I believe that we're that a lot of people are paying

[23:18] that now is because the states made a lot of rule changes. The last time we

[23:21] did a comprehensive plan committee, I don't know, were you on the plan on the

[23:25] committee? Somebody was tough. They they spent like 10 grand the last time.

[23:31] » Yeah. >> This time there's a lot of different

[23:33] things that >> Yeah. There's a lot different laws that

[23:36] have been changed and >> do we think in the next 10 years there's

[23:39] going to be a lot more different laws? >> I don't know.

[23:42] » That's our opinion anyway. >> Okay. One at a time, please. Yes.

[23:46] » I'll point out that Lyman does not have an approved comprehensive plan by the

[23:50] state. like you might have spent $10,000 and approved a comprehensive plan by the

[23:54] voters, but it hasn't gone through the state level. So, you kind of miss

[23:59] opportunities for grants or certain revenue sharing um because it never went

[24:03] through the state level to get. >> Well, that's what we're doing now. I

[24:07] assume that's why we're going to spend all this money this time, but we're

[24:11] going to already have one approved by the state

[24:15] » the next time. And we're just going to have to update it.

[24:18] » You think it's going to cost 100 grand to update it? Go ahead.

[24:21] » We jumped ahead of this a little bit. We didn't move and second it for our amount

[24:26] or not. Um because I wanted to know what the dis the discussion about the

[24:30] difference. So um based on on that um I'll entertain a motion for either

[24:37] number. >> I I'll make a motion for $10,000 for the

[24:41] comprehensive plan. >> Second.

[24:45] » No. Is there any more discussion? This is kind of a side question because

[24:49] uh at the end of the decade we also have to do the um charter. So will some of

[24:53] that money be able to be used if we don't use it?

[24:55] » I think there's separate >> separate separate that was deal.

[25:01] » Thank you. And just uh for clarification, when we

[25:06] get to outsource general ad admin, uh we've got I think 14,000 set aside for

[25:12] the uh comprehensive plan um contract with the SNPDC for what's going on right

[25:19] now. >> Yeah. For the current one. Yeah.

[25:20] » Right. But this is for the future. >> That's right. Okay.

[25:24] » So, this is on the table for $10,000. All those in favor? I I

[25:30] » David Alves. I >> it's unanimous.

[25:37] » Ordinance review. We discussed $5,000. Budget committee recommended $2500

[25:44] in a 41 vote. >> Did we jump over?

[25:48] » Yeah.

[25:51] » Is capital improvement next? >> Yeah. I thought it was

[25:56] » Yeah. Is that on plan?

[26:01] So, you need to be down here. >> Yeah, this is this is where we were.

[26:04] » Comprehensive plan or not review. That's what I just said.

[26:08] » Okay. Thank you. >> Page one.

[26:10] » I'll make I'll make a motion. >> It doesn't follow.

[26:13] » Okay. >> So, over here, that's where I am.

[26:16] » Okay. >> Sorry.

[26:17] » No problem. >> I'll make a motion to approve $5,000 for

[26:21] the ordinance review. >> Second.

[26:24] » I don't see discussion. >> I wasn't here. What is that?

[26:30] Oh, >> dash.

[26:34] » Okay. Thank you. >> Um,

[26:38] » sorry, I wasn't here that day, but I got a refresher of what that was for 5,000.

[26:42] » The bottom, we're at the bottom of towards the bottom of page 32

[26:47] ordinance review, which is a new >> Mhm.

[26:50] » It's $5,000. The budget committee voted uh 2500

[26:55] » to, I believe, to set money aside. Once again, Southern Bane Planning to help

[27:00] with revision of the uh >> because of all those new laws just like

[27:05] the comprehensive plan stuff.

[27:11] » So, we're moved and seconded and discussing.

[27:15] Um, is there any more discussion?

[27:20] » No. >> All those in favor?

[27:23] » I >> I David Alves

[27:25] » I. >> It's a motion. It's carries unanimously.

[27:30] » Okay. Facilities equipment reserve which is also new. We discussed 10,000 budget

[27:37] committee recommending zero in a 50 vote.

[27:43] » Move to accept the 10,000 for facilities equipment reserve.

[27:47] » Second. >> Okay. This is what we did when we were

[27:52] talking about a piece of equipment that was in the budget and we removed that

[27:56] piece of equipment and said we would start this. Um,

[28:02] I know you got to start somewhere and this person probably needs some we we

[28:07] out with safe things for them to do their job. Um, this

[28:14] person to do his job also. I know um there's a lot of disagreement

[28:20] necessarily about it. Uh I think there's also

[28:26] you got to realize too that the uh the town is growing. It's changing. There's

[28:31] more people. We have that bung. We've been as a priority. This is a thing uh

[28:38] that we're starting. This is the first year with this employee. Um, I think

[28:43] it's going good and it's really something that

[28:48] you you save for the future even though there's not an exact clear vision

[28:54] exactly where that is because it's fluid.

[28:58] It's it's in its infancy infancy stages even if I can't say that. And um so

[29:05] instead of buying that we thought we would start this and uh and see where it

[29:10] goes. And so that 10,000 is on is in our

[29:15] motion >> in our opinion or

[29:18] » I I do >> uh here again this it doesn't seem to be

[29:24] a plan. I I I listened to you guys when you were talking and you said you wanted

[29:28] to buy piece of equipment to be used by one of our employees and it'll be used

[29:34] for various things. Okay. I heard one of you say you needed one that would lift

[29:39] 2,000 pounds. A piece of equipment that'll lift 2,000 lbs is going to cost

[29:43] you 60 plus grand, maybe more. That's that's not including

[29:49] any extra attachments you put on. Good. >> Now you have it. Are you going to only

[29:53] use it in one location or you're going to want to move it around? Then you're

[29:56] going to need a trailer. Then you're going to need a truck big enough to haul

[29:59] the trailer. So >> did I

[30:01] » That 60,000 is going to turn into 200,000 before we go too far.

[30:07] » This is what I say. You need to have a plan. Well, a plan that can be a plan,

[30:13] but if you're kind of fluid, you don't really know what's going on yet, how can

[30:18] you have a plan, a a rigid plan? >> We talked about we talked about a lot of

[30:24] things that night. And um also what was brought up too is

[30:30] instead of that tractor would would be mowing equipment, larger mowing

[30:35] equipment and have that person do some of the mowing which would take some some

[30:39] of the mowing money out of the budget. >> But but you still got to buy the

[30:42] equipment and buy the equipment to move it with and by the time you

[30:46] » doesn't necessarily mean you're going to move it.

[30:48] » It's much cheaper to contract it out. >> Okay. My point to this is you already

[30:54] have a tractor that's sitting up there that you were using four days a week and

[30:58] the rest of the time it just sits there. That's what we put $25,000 in painting

[31:02] tractor. >> I I brought that up in in our discussion

[31:06] and um that's when we discussed that it could be a piece of mowing equipment.

[31:11] It's like I said, we it's not really fluid yet, but we're starting to think

[31:15] about that. So, if you want to put some money away,

[31:19] you either do or you don't. that you want to

[31:22] » I I I agree with Ken on that point. I I mean that uh the machine up on the hill

[31:28] should be utilized. >> I agree.

[31:30] » Um but either way that I believe that there should be a reserve set aside for

[31:37] future decisions so so that we don't have to uh be surprised and have to put

[31:43] $50,000 all up at 160 70 whatever it is. The nice thing about that piece of

[31:49] equipment also is that it it can be driven on the road to get from job to or

[31:55] place to place where it needs to be used >> instead of having to haul it.

[31:59] » And I think part of the hesitation to have any better of a plan is because the

[32:03] department itself is new and we're not even through the first season yet to

[32:06] figure out how that's going to work. Exactly. That was part of why it was so

[32:10] kind of blurry. I think maybe it's a philosophical difference in how you

[32:15] manage a budget, but in all of my years of management, I would never go and ask

[32:20] for money without having a plan. So, it seems like the carts before the course

[32:25] here in my opinion to me, you should take the time to formulate the plan. And

[32:30] it's not that I don't agree with the reserve. I think, you know, it would be

[32:34] a smart thing to do if we knew the direction we were headed

[32:38] » and what the goal was. Total respect for that, Karen. Um, I I just think that

[32:46] when you're talking municipal versus private, private can raise the money a

[32:52] lot faster than usually a municipal can. So, we're just trying to plan for the

[32:57] future. >> Not a matter of raising the money

[33:00] quicker. It's just a matter of putting pen to paper and getting a plan together

[33:07] » which is hard to do in at this moment where we are in time. Next year at this

[33:11] time there will be much more of a plan. Wouldn't you say

[33:16] » plan originally discussed was like taking on mowing. So trying to find

[33:21] equipment for mowing. And I also want to point out that like historically the

[33:25] town has benefited from staff allowing the town to use their own equipment,

[33:30] tractors and heavy duty equipment and such. And so it's helped keep expenses

[33:36] down, but it's not something the town can require or rely on indefinitely,

[33:40] just using other people's stuff. And an example of that is when we did plowing

[33:46] at the transfer station, we had an agreement where it was at a very low

[33:50] cost. And once that arrangement was no longer there, um then we were hit with

[33:55] an increase in the budget line because we couldn't plan for something like that

[33:59] happened. So that was due to kind of lack of planning, relying on somebody

[34:03] else doing something at a really low cost, which we're very grateful for, but

[34:08] it's just not something that you can depend on indefinitely. Um,

[34:13] » I'd like to add to the amount that Dave talked about

[34:21] » the truck, >> the

[34:26] » on top of that, you're proposing to repair

[34:31] it. I can't think of the name of it. >> Uh, to repair a a brush.

[34:39] » Wood chipper. Thank you. Um, now we have all of this equipment that we're putting

[34:45] a reserve away for. We have no plan. Where are you going to put it? Now

[34:50] you're talking about building a building. You're talking about a DPW.

[34:55] You're talking about having a mechanic on staff.

[34:57] » Are we talking about that? >> We never talked about that.

[35:01] » You are. You're looking at plan to increase eventually over whatever fivey

[35:07] year, 10 year plan to end up with the DPW.

[35:11] We don't need a DPW in this town. >> We have not discussed that.

[35:16] » No, nobody's got that is that's when you have people and equipment to do work.

[35:22] » All right. >> When you're

[35:27] talking about buying large pieces of equipment, you're talking about

[35:31] repairing pieces of equipment that we haven't used for a very long time. We've

[35:36] hired a director of facilities, aka director of DPW.

[35:44] Now, you want to add more money in reserve to eventually buy more

[35:50] equipment, to buy a building. All of that needs to be reviewed and

[35:56] discussed before we start putting the money away for it. I I don't think

[36:00] putting this off a year is going to 10,000 putting away for till next year's

[36:06] budget to have a plan in place and see where that goes.

[36:12] Oh, that's a good point that I was re going to save for something else, but um

[36:17] » I think at this point, you know, we've got to do what we can do to keep the the

[36:22] budget in line with what the commitment is so that taxpayers aren't going to hit

[36:28] get hit with $18 like they did last year.

[36:34] » Any more discussion? Any more comments?

[36:39] Hearing none. All those in favor say I. >> I.

[36:42] » I. David Elves. >> I.

[36:45] » Anyone opposed? Nay.

[36:50] » Okay. Capital improvement 15,000. Budget committee recommends 7500

[36:57] with a 50 vote. What say the board?

[37:06] I'll make a motion to accept $15,000 for capital improvement.

[37:13] » Second. >> It's moved and seconded. Discussion

[37:24] hearing none. All those in favor? I >> I I

[37:32] » You said I I'm sorry. I >> Thank you. That's uh unanimous.

[37:39] board or nothing. Um, >> can we go back a moment?

[37:45] » Um, the facilities equipment reserve >> three to one

[37:50] » and she got four to zero. So, >> no, that was me. I voted no.

[37:54] » I didn't know. I voted that was

[38:02] » Okay. Um, there's a disaster. Next page. Bunganut

[38:09] Park 25,000. Budget

[38:14] » top of 33. >> 33.

[38:15] » Yes. >> Yanut

[38:18] Park 25,000. Budget committee recommended 25,000. 32 vote. What say

[38:24] the board? >> Make a motion to accept the 25,000 for

[38:28] buging up. >> Second.

[38:31] » Any discussion? No, >> that's something

[38:35] » um in our discussions. Um I won't speak for everybody. I think most of us, if

[38:41] not all of us, we're concerned that there's no plan for that either. Um and

[38:46] not that I want to take money away from Bunganut, but I do want to see a plan.

[38:51] Is it possible to take that 25,000 out of reserve and put it in CIP and um

[38:59] label it for beach reclamation? So, there is a plan. It was distributed

[39:06] last year. I looked through my notes and I'll give you guys a copy of it if you

[39:10] want to pass them down, but it goes through the expenses. So, this is

[39:14] primarily for the beach restoration. So it kind of goes through the estimates

[39:18] and quotes we got on some stuff and then there's meeting notes from when I met

[39:22] with D. So D assured us that if we go through the NERPA process, it's a

[39:28] feasible project to restore the beach and it's also one of the biggest

[39:34] communities like in in the surveys that we've done, everybody really wants the

[39:39] water access there >> and I agree with that. I'm not saying

[39:42] take the money out. I'm saying reclassify it so it's labeled so people

[39:46] know what we're we're asking for the money.

[39:49] » That is a plan. Saying there's no plan. >> Well, but

[39:53] » there is a plan. >> That's

[39:54] » that's a plan here. >> When we talk about plan, we talk about

[39:59] » fiveyear plan. What's going to What is Buganut Park going to look like in five

[40:02] years? >> What's your fiveyear plan look like?

[40:04] » I don't have one. I'm not It probably won't even be around in five years.

[40:09] » You pass that. But I mean there is we have no plans. We

[40:13] keep adding money in and we keep spending it for different things.

[40:17] » The town has never agreed on what to do with fun and park.

[40:22] » Thank you.

[40:26] » You're not funding a fiveyear plan. >> I understand we don't have a fiveyear

[40:31] plan >> and I think we should have a five plan.

[40:34] » Well in CIP there's another you know the sexual and CIP. that very specifically

[40:40] lays out what monies are being spent at Monley mansion benches so forth.

[40:47] Why can't we put this into that section and label it beach reclamation rather

[40:53] than leaving it blank in reserves? Well, as as if I recall, and smack me upside

[41:00] the head if I if I'm missing it, but the last few years since we started working

[41:05] on bunging, that's the amount of money that we've put into it. And we've been

[41:09] putting in $25,000 and you can see the improvements,

[41:14] » can't you? I don't. >> I mean, can you at all? But I'm just

[41:17] saying so it's not like >> also for the last five years this

[41:22] committee has asked for a plan >> and we've asked every year for a plan

[41:26] and every year we don't get a plan. >> There's been a plan for the past almost

[41:30] two years. David, >> I get one this year.

[41:33] » Dave, I was just trying to >> Yes. Sorry. Go ahead, Dave. Say that

[41:36] again. >> I just explained to David for the past

[41:38] two years there's been a plan. It's it's on it's on paper. All you have to do is

[41:43] request it. I believe the town manager is holding it.

[41:47] So is it the way he's calling plan? It's a beach

[41:52] and some some points. >> There's a beach, some points, there's a

[41:57] scope of work, there's uh pricing. Uh you know what exactly are you looking

[42:01] for for a beach restoration, Dave? >> I'm not looking for a plan for beach

[42:06] restoration, Dave. I'm looking for a total plan for the park. What are we

[42:11] going to have for buildings? What are we gonna do for

[42:14] » We're not We're not going that far, Dave. You're not You're not $25,000

[42:19] isn't going to go that far.

[42:23] » Thank you. You >> And next year we'll ask for a plan

[42:27] again. Thank you. >> Good. Anything else?

[42:30] » Yes. So my question is is um sorry Karen, I'm confused. Moving it to

[42:34] another account is it just so that that money is set aside just for that because

[42:38] what would be the difference? >> That would be the reason. Are you

[42:40] concerned that >> because if that doesn't happen, they can

[42:43] take that money and use it for something else.

[42:45] » I could answer. Um, >> so this year there was there was money

[42:50] put in the reserve and it was my understanding it was for beach

[42:54] reclamation. You know, I know there were delays and we're waiting for permit and

[42:57] all of that, but now that money is being used for kiosks. It's not being used for

[43:02] beach reclamation. So all I'm asking doesn't affect the bottom line of the

[43:07] budget at all is just to reclassify it. So it can be labeled so people know, you

[43:12] know, what we're planning on doing and we could be accountable

[43:16] » and we are paying I know it has to be added back in but the kiosk is being

[43:20] paid for this year. >> Yeah, I know.

[43:22] » I know it has to be added back in. >> I just wanted to add that in there for

[43:25] anybody who's listening. >> Thank you. That's all.

[43:29] » Any more discussion on the 25,000 for the reserve account for Bunganet that is

[43:35] going to be used for beach reclamation?

[43:39] Hearing none. All those in favor say I. >> I. David Alves.

[43:44] » I. >> The motion carries unanimously.

[43:48] » Fire hydrants 6,000. Budget committee recommends 6,000 50 vote. What say the

[43:53] board? Make a motion to accept 6,000 for fire hydrants.

[43:57] » Second. >> Any discussion? I will say I don't I

[44:02] know there's some in the account already. I think we're going to be

[44:05] expending a bunch this year because there's a lot of hydrants that are not

[44:09] in good shape. >> How much is

[44:11] » they started going dry uh before the winter, but in our in our budget talks

[44:16] with the fire commission and the fire department and when we met and stuff uh

[44:22] there was we think that it we'll have enough. But I'm just saying that that's

[44:27] going to be depleted probably fairly well because there's a lot of them that

[44:32] need work that and whatnot and that some of them aren't holding water. That's not

[44:38] good if you're a hydrant. >> I was just asking how much was already

[44:43] in the account and Joe said 14,400. >> Sorry that may get 14,400. Sorry.

[44:53] » Any more discussion? All those in favor? I. David Alves.

[44:59] » I. >> Thank you. It's four to nothing. The

[45:02] motion carries. >> Charter Commission $1,000. Budget

[45:06] committee recommended $1,000 and with a 50 vote. What say the board?

[45:13] » Move that we approve $1,000 for the reserve account for the charter

[45:17] commission. >> Second.

[45:20] » Moved and seconded. Is there any discussion?

[45:24] Have any discussion? >> No.

[45:27] » All those in favor? >> I.

[45:29] » David Elves. >> I.

[45:32] » Motion carries. >> Hey, Drive. Uh, Dave Road, Bridge,

[45:38] Culver, Cousins Bridge 25,000. Budget committee recommends 25,000 with a 41

[45:45] vote. Would say the board. >> Make a motion to accept 25,000 for day

[45:51] road bridge cover. I'll second

[45:54] » which is also known as the cousins bridge is that

[45:57] » yes >> thank you

[45:58] » number 30 60

[46:03] » can I ask what the one vote was against

[46:07] » from the budget committee the one that was against

[46:11] » uh that the individual who was against it was was trying to uh encourage us to

[46:19] talk to the state and try to get funded listen Okay, thank you.

[46:23] » Well, this doesn't preclude that, >> right?

[46:26] » But there's this stream. >> You're looking at the wrong guy.

[46:29] » Just just saying >> you're a whole boy that uh

[46:32] » I I the state does have a uh stream crossing program that we could apply for

[46:37] in the future. >> It's also being heavily funded by your

[46:40] LRAP fund which comes from the state. So, it's really not a lot coming.

[46:45] » You're the chair. You know, one of the things that I

[46:48] » that I said was with the amount of tractor trailers that are illegally

[46:52] using that road >> because of DO's construction on Route 35

[46:57] » that perhaps we should reach out to DOT and say, "Hey,

[47:01] » this is partially your fault >> and maybe we should recoup some money

[47:07] from them rather than spending our own." There was something from the from the

[47:10] federal and state level way back when called impact aid. When a situation went

[47:14] like that, when the feds were uh building something that would impact on

[47:19] on the state expenses, there would be an amount to uh to uh compensate for that.

[47:24] It'd be worthwhile. Maybe contacting uh >> our state representatives, particularly

[47:29] the general reason why we can't >> transportation committee

[47:32] » be worthwhile. I've spoken to him about it. He's like, "Oh yeah, by all means."

[47:36] Okay. >> Well, we can still do that. So

[47:38] » yeah, it's not just me. >> Is there any more discussion about this

[47:41] right here and now? >> Okay,

[47:44] » go ahead. >> No, I I asked if there was anything

[47:47] else. >> So, do you have anything else?

[47:50] » No. >> All right. All those in favor?

[47:53] » I. David Elves. >> I.

[47:57] » Thank you. It's unanimous. >> Unforeseen circumstances, formerly known

[48:02] as contingency, $10,000. Budget committee is recommending 2500.

[48:08] 32 vote. What say the board? Move to accept the 10,000 for unforeseen

[48:14] circumstances. >> Second.

[48:17] » Any discussion? >> I will uh just say that I don't care

[48:22] what you call it. >> I'm not for that. So,

[48:27] is there anything Dave? You got anything?

[48:29] » No. No. >> All those in favor?

[48:33] Um, >> right.

[48:34] » Last last year we said $2,500. It was a and set a $5,000 limit on it to that was

[48:41] the amount of money we're going to put into it.

[48:43] » We were told this year that the pump at the transfer station was replaced for

[48:50] $2,400 which took care of most of that money that was in $2,500. My question is

[48:56] that if you look further on, we're replacing a motor on a piece of

[49:00] equipment under capital improvement. Why wasn't the pump put on the capital

[49:04] improvement? >> Because it just went it wasn't

[49:09] capital improvement. >> Oh, you mean the capital improvement

[49:14] reserve, Ken? >> Yeah.

[49:16] » It's not really capital improvement. >> Neither is the motor that you're going

[49:19] to put on this day. You're going to repair a motor, right?

[49:22] » Oh, well, >> replace it. We're getting caught up in

[49:24] the words. So, the one that I have in here at the bottom, that's minor

[49:30] um improvements. So, I could change it to

[49:34] » the idea is that spent for something that could have been improved capital

[49:40] improvement classify that as capital improvement.

[49:44] » But like you said, everybody's caught up in the words.

[49:46] » Another issue is what is the plan on this? Was this was this uh reserve

[49:52] account gonna have a cap or is it just going to keep growing?

[49:57] That was another one of our issues. >> I I believe it I believe it like you,

[50:02] David, should have a cap. $10,000 max. >> I agree with that.

[50:08] » This isn't part of those chipper thing, is it?

[50:10] » No. No. No. This is in case something happens,

[50:15] unforeseen circumstances or um what we used to call a contingency. So you never

[50:22] know, you know, it's a crapshoot. Something one time it was the server

[50:26] fried, one time it was this, one time it was that. Um it's kind of a plan for um

[50:32] unexpected things. >> Does that need to be put into the motion

[50:37] the tap? >> No, we don't usually do that.

[50:41] » So you keep it uncapped. >> Whatever.

[50:46] » It's a recommendation by your board. >> Yeah, it's it's already moved, seconded,

[50:50] and it's being discussed. >> I think we could have the understanding

[50:53] that this is being recorded that uh >> Sorry.

[50:58] » I'm sorry. Um this being, you know, recorded a public session that we have

[51:04] the understanding that uh this would be capped at 10,000

[51:09] for the indefinite future. >> Well, I made the motion. And can I

[51:11] resend my motion and change it? >> You guys can cap it if you want, but

[51:16] there could be a whole other board, you know, five years from now who could just

[51:21] change it. >> Sure.

[51:23] » Am I talking about now? >> Yeah, I can resend that and change it if

[51:26] I wish. Right. Because I made the motion >> if the second agree.

[51:29] » Yes. >> Okay. I'm going to resend my motion and

[51:33] say I make a motion to do 10,000 for unforeseen circumstances and cap it at

[51:38] 10,000. Who's seconded?

[51:42] » You did. >> I did.

[51:43] » Think so. >> Second as seconded as amended.

[51:48] » Is there any more discussion >> or new discussion?

[51:54] Hearing none. Those in favor? Oh, Dave. Dave, did you were you going to say?

[51:57] » Yeah, I was going to say I'm just just legally wise, I'm not sure that we just

[52:02] did that properly. I think we were supposed to go through, vote it down,

[52:08] and then reo it, but I I'll go however you do it as long as we understood that.

[52:14] Uh >> I think there was clarity.

[52:18] » Okay. >> All those in favor? I

[52:23] » I >> David

[52:26] » I would

[52:28] » the budget committee like to resend and reconsider.

[52:32] » Uh what do you want? I don't know. Leave it

[52:36] the way it is. Yep. >> Yeah. We're going to leave it the way it

[52:38] is. >> Okay.

[52:40] » I like to let the people decide. >> So fire department vehicle reserve fund

[52:47] 80,000. Budget committee voted 80,000. 50 vote.

[52:55] » Move that the board approve the $80,000 for the U Goodman Mills fire rescue

[53:02] vehicle for $80,000. >> Second.

[53:05] » It's moved and seconded. Any discussion?

[53:10] Hearing none. All those in favor? I. David Alves.

[53:15] » I. >> Four to nothing.

[53:19] Facilities reserve account uh 18,000. Budget committee voted 18,000 with a 50

[53:25] vote. What say the board? >> Make a motion to accept 18,000 per

[53:30] facility. >> Second.

[53:32] » It's moved and seconded. Any discussion on that?

[53:37] Hearing none. All those in favor? I. David Alves.

[53:41] » I unanimous carries. Building reserve account for current fire department

[53:48] 15,000. Budget committee voted 15,000. I made that change. 50 vote. What say the

[53:55] board? >> Move that the board approved $15,000 for

[54:00] Goodwood Mills Fire and Rescue Building Reserve account.

[54:03] » Second. >> Any discussion on that?

[54:10] All those in favor? I >> I David Alves. I

[54:15] » unanimous

[54:19] page 35 outsource general admin

[54:26] 79595 budget committee voted 79595 with a 41

[54:32] vote would say the board move to accept 79,595

[54:38] for outsource general admin >> second

[54:42] » moved and seconded. Is there any discussion

[54:46] hearing? None. All those in favor? I >> I

[54:50] » David Elves. >> I

[54:53] Nothing. >> Hey carries.

[54:57] » Page 37. Before we move to page 37, can we quickly go back to uh reserves GMFR

[55:08] where the budget committee line item is listed as a thousand that we approved?

[55:13] » I changed it earlier today. >> Okay. I just want to make sure it's

[55:16] correct. >> I did. Okay. That was all

[55:19] » I just didn't get it on this because it was way earlier. All right. I just want

[55:24] to make sure that >> Yeah, I did get that. Sorry about that.

[55:28] Let's

[55:31] go. >> Ready to move on. So page 37

[55:36] um outsourced other 249 804 budget committee tabled it. Um what say board

[55:45] and the committee >> make a motion to accept 249 804 for

[55:49] outsourced data? >> Second.

[55:57] It's just >> Yeah. Um,

[55:59] » my apologies. This includes the Lman Historical Society.

[56:04] » No. >> And the PAT fees.

[56:06] » Well, this is >> in the library.

[56:08] » Well, I'll >> Would you like to know why we haven't

[56:12] » Can we not talk all at the same time, please?

[56:14] » Hasn't been seconded yet. So, we have not in discussion.

[56:17] » Yeah. My apologies. I missed this. Uh, I am a member of the environment

[56:19] Historical Society, so I resend my second.

[56:23] » I'll second. >> Thank you.

[56:24] » Okay. It's moved and seconded again. Now we can discuss it.

[56:30] » We were in in the past uh the library made a presentation to

[56:36] the budget committee and the select board. They came in with with their

[56:41] proposal for the budget. They gave us their last year's. They gave us their

[56:46] expenditure. They gave us their proposed for the future year. If they had any

[56:51] changes, they would explain them to us. And that's the way it operated while the

[56:56] last couple of years that I can remember that the library has just given us their

[57:02] numbers and said take them or leave them. I I attempted to get a hold of the

[57:06] budget to the the library committee. I was unable to get a hold of them. I

[57:12] probably didn't try hard enough, but I tried to get them in. No, no response. I

[57:18] believe that we should know what their plan is. I mean here again they've added

[57:22] quite a bit to personnel. >> Did you get supplement 7?

[57:25] » I I get that. Yes, I have that. If you look at everybody else's submission, for

[57:30] instance, the fire department, they tell us how much we budgeted last year. They

[57:34] tell us how much they spent last year. They and we see the difference. If

[57:39] there's a if there's an excess, we know there's an excess and they include that

[57:43] in the following year's budget to take care of the excess. the the the library

[57:50] gives us nothing. We don't know how much money they get from other organizations.

[57:54] We don't know how much they get from they used to get money from Dayton. I

[57:58] don't know if they still do or not. So, we have no idea where the money's coming

[58:02] from. Uh and we don't know exactly what their plan is. We know they're going

[58:07] from it. Appears at least that they're going from two full-time and a part-time

[58:13] to three full-time. Uh those of us who remember they used to have one full-time

[58:18] and one part-time and they came to us and said, "We don't think that's safe.

[58:23] We shouldn't have just one person in the building." We agreed. So, we went to two

[58:27] full-time. Then they went to two full-time and a

[58:30] part-time. And it appears they want to go to three full-time

[58:35] with no explanation. Uh, I just think we should we deserve an explanation of

[58:40] where $200,000 of our taxpayer dollars are going. And

[58:46] and I'm not against the library. Okay.

[58:52] Any more discussion

[58:56] is Wasn't the discussion that we had

[59:00] previous was that the increase this year was was

[59:05] because of um added hours for employees. Um I do

[59:11] know that the library is an integral part of town. I know that it's it's busy

[59:16] and busier just like the rest of the thing everything in town has been in the

[59:21] past. Um I thought we had uh at one I don't didn't bring that packet. I

[59:28] brought just the newest stuff, but I know that we had the supplement 7 with

[59:34] all all the Did you get this? >> Yes. It It says what they would like us

[59:40] to fund. >> Yep.

[59:41] » Now, if you look at the If you look at the the fire department's budget, they

[59:46] tell us what we funded last year, how much of it they spent, and how much

[59:51] they'd like this year. We have way closer oversight on the fire department

[59:55] than we do the library, which is a private entity with a board of directors

[1:00:00] that >> their board of directors used to brief

[1:00:03] us every year. I >> I think it is a fair I'm not changing

[1:00:07] your vote on this, but it is a fair request to ask how much of the municipal

[1:00:11] funds were spent in the last year. I think that's a fair request. The private

[1:00:15] stuff is none of our business. >> I don't I don't disagree with that

[1:00:18] either. >> Yeah. I think if we do that for one

[1:00:21] entity, it should be required for all entities. Absolutely. That get either

[1:00:26] cash from the town or in kind. Yep. >> So, I think that's something maybe the

[1:00:31] board could probably take a look at just in the interest of fairness.

[1:00:37] » So, where does that leave us in the meantime tonight?

[1:00:42] » You what? >> Hope still out there.

[1:00:45] » It is. We're We're still in discussion. >> Ask me a question. I'm answering and I'm

[1:00:50] just ready for the vote whenever I don't have any more discussion.

[1:00:52] » Okay. You got anything else to discuss, Dave?

[1:00:56] » Uh, nope. >> All righty. All those in favor?

[1:00:59] » I David >> I

[1:01:03] to nothing. Um, but I would like to uh put that on a future agenda

[1:01:08] » please to the library. Do we so we can discuss

[1:01:12] how we go about that in the future? do it.

[1:01:20] » Yeah. How many other people are there? >> Is it $5,000 for the How many?

[1:01:24] » Whether whether it's inind or whether they're getting money from the town, I'd

[1:01:29] rather not just blurt it all out. Let's get a list together.

[1:01:32] » I just asked for a number. How many >> round number? No. Sorry. I don't have

[1:01:38] it. >> We're going to keep moving.

[1:01:39] » Can you do it over a certain dollar amount? that would probably

[1:01:45] » if we were to discuss it in a way that we could decide if we wanted to do that,

[1:01:51] we wouldn't have to have all the details. Exactly. But, um, if we put

[1:01:56] that on a on an agenda for discussion in the future, I don't see why we couldn't

[1:02:00] discuss it. Even if we don't do anything,

[1:02:03] » it it seems valid to discuss, but I don't this is we're here to do

[1:02:09] this tonight. I don't want to get down a rabbit hole. Do you

[1:02:13] Does anybody >> No.

[1:02:17] » Yeah. The budget committee had tailed it. Let's see.

[1:02:21] » Go around.

[1:02:27] Anybody on the budget committee want to make a motion?

[1:02:31] » Myself.

[1:02:38] No.

[1:02:42] You can leave it tabled. >> Yeah, we can say no vote.

[1:02:46] » Would say no vote. >> I'm in favor of that.

[1:02:50] » I'm in favor of that. >> Okay, I'm fine with that, too. Leave it

[1:02:53] like it is.

[1:02:57] » Well, >> hey, good mills fire and rescue. Um, I

[1:03:03] spoke to the chief a little bit earlier and they know he's a formula error. um

[1:03:09] and amounts to like $64. The new number is 949216.

[1:03:22] » Okay. What >> where is that on? Is that the total

[1:03:26] amount? >> So if you add the new number for

[1:03:30] personnel >> Uhhuh.

[1:03:32] » and the new number for operations under alignment.

[1:03:35] » Okay. >> That's what that number comes to. And if

[1:03:38] you add the 49 and the 15 comes to the 64 everybody all

[1:03:45] understand why we can get into this supposed to

[1:03:48] match up to something. >> It does.

[1:03:53] » I'll make a motion for 949216 for Goodwood Mills fire.

[1:04:01] » Second. >> Any discussion?

[1:04:06] » Yeah. What line was the error? What? Do you know what line the error was? Just

[1:04:12] » the exact line. Not I don't know the exact line.

[1:04:19] » It was a it was an error that was brought to our attention like

[1:04:25] » earlier by the uh treasurer of the fire department. So,

[1:04:31] I didn't I didn't I wasn't notified about it until just like you were

[1:04:39] » the budget committee made the same recommendation.

[1:04:43] » Yeah. >> Is there any discussion on this?

[1:04:48] Any discussion on this? No. >> Dave, you got any discussion?

[1:04:52] » No. >> All those in favor?

[1:04:54] » I. David Alves. >> I. The motion carries for 949216

[1:05:00] 4 to nothing >> budget committee.

[1:05:02] » I make a motion we change and agree with the budget with figure of uh 949216

[1:05:10] » second any discussion

[1:05:14] seeing none all in favor. unanim

[1:05:23] other CIP page 39 $70,500

[1:05:29] budget committee voted $7,500 with a 41 vote but say the board make a

[1:05:36] motion to accept $7,500 for others have capital improvement second.

[1:05:43] » All right moved and seconded. Any discussion?

[1:05:48] Hearing none. All those in favor? >> I

[1:05:50] » I Dave >> I

[1:05:53] » mean David Alves is what I meant to say. >> I again

[1:05:57] » again it's four to nothing. The motion carries.

[1:06:02] » Okay. You guys have one more thing left. Just the board.

[1:06:09] » This is your sub revenues for next year. The revenue offsets.

[1:06:14] Dave, I sent that to you earlier. Did you get it?

[1:06:16] » I did. >> Okay.

[1:06:20] » So, over here you guys decide what you want to put into your warrant for

[1:06:24] revenue offsets. This is what I'm recommending

[1:06:28] on on the back page. You can see the breakdown of fun balance.

[1:06:33] And there you go.

[1:06:40] You have to get into a discussion first. No. Well, this is something if you don't

[1:06:46] understand it, I think we >> I don't

[1:06:48] » I would move the discussion first. >> What do you think? Is anybody against

[1:06:53] that? If you don't understand it, I want I'd like to bring that

[1:06:57] understanding. >> Do you want to make a motion or to

[1:07:02] » uh we >> so for discussion or

[1:07:06] » what what do you guys want to do? Well, if I read this correctly, uh motion

[1:07:11] would be to app from $50,000 for overlay.

[1:07:17] Am I right on that or >> um it would be for the whole amount. I

[1:07:21] think >> this is

[1:07:22] » Well, you could do overlay separately. >> That's for FY27 proposed. It's 30,000 to

[1:07:28] 900,000. The 1 million is 50,000. We'll combine it.

[1:07:31] » Yeah, I add another >> I added it.

[1:07:40] So basically what we do KJ is we have revenues that come into the town and

[1:07:47] those revenues offset the budget. We have fund balance or a designated fund

[1:07:54] balance technically. We have excise tax that we are predicting that we're going

[1:07:59] to bring into the town. We have transfer station money because they go in, they

[1:08:04] pay to get rid of some of their bulky items and stuff. And then we have

[1:08:08] overlay. So, any questions on the transfer station, excise or fund

[1:08:14] balance? >> No.

[1:08:17] » No.

[1:08:20] » No, it's good. >> I thought I heard Dave

[1:08:22] » said no. He He said no. So, what overlay is is is the state

[1:08:27] allows for a cushion um when we're doing the tax rates. The cushion and in our

[1:08:34] vote goes for abatements um and we're allowed to use it because

[1:08:40] we asked for that. Before our assessor left, she

[1:08:45] recommended 50,000 because we're going through the um equalization project

[1:08:50] right now. She thinks more people will be looking at their detail once they get

[1:08:56] that and they might see some things on there that h weren't caught in the last

[1:09:01] valuation uh rebath and she wanted to prepare for that.

[1:09:07] » Yeah. Okay. Thank you.

[1:09:10] » All right. >> Is there any more discussion before we

[1:09:14] make a motion? >> No.

[1:09:20] Anybody else got anything? I'll entertain that.

[1:09:24] » Okay. Are we saying that the total amount to

[1:09:29] uh propose 1,980,000? >> Yes.

[1:09:33] » Okay. >> And that and that's for uh I move that

[1:09:38] we approve 1,980,000

[1:09:42] for recommended cash offset. >> Second.

[1:09:47] » All right. any just >> hang on let me go back

[1:09:51] » 1,930,000 for the cash offset J

[1:09:56] » and the 50,000 because that would become an expenditure

[1:09:59] » okay >> sorry

[1:10:01] » no that's quite right >> those two separate

[1:10:03] » now okay then >> my second

[1:10:05] » I'll resend my original motion and revise it accordingly

[1:10:09] I move that we approve $1,930,000 for recommended cash offsets

[1:10:16] Second. >> Any discussion?

[1:10:22] Hearing none. All those in favor? >> I

[1:10:28] David Alves. >> I.

[1:10:30] » There's no one opposed. >> And I'll make a motion for the overlay

[1:10:34] for 50,000. >> Second.

[1:10:39] » Any discussion on that? Hearing none. All those in favor? I.

[1:10:45] David Elves. Hi, >> it's unanimous there too.

[1:10:50] » That's wrap.

[1:10:54] » Thank you very much. >> I'm sorry. My apologies. My apologies.

[1:10:58] I'm sorry. But I um back on the vote or outsourced other

[1:11:04] I participated in that and I'm sorry I'm a member of the uh historical society.

[1:11:10] » Okay. So, could that uh vote be recorded as 301?

[1:11:19] » You misvoted. >> Yeah.

[1:11:22] » It's exciting. You just raised my hand, right?

[1:11:26] » I did the same thing. >> You didn't make the motion or second,

[1:11:29] did you? >> Have to revote.

[1:11:31] » No,

[1:11:35] I have my supplement seven back. >> Handed it passed to Joe. I gave it to

[1:11:41] Joe. >> Okay.

[1:11:43] » Yeah, I gave it to Joe. I passed it down.

[1:11:46] » I passed it to Joe. Should be uh >> should be right there.

[1:11:51] » All right. Thanks. >> Did you Did you put it somewhere? No.

[1:11:56] » I'll just ask another pass it down. And look,

[1:12:00] » I don't have it. >> There it is. Is that it?

[1:12:04] » No. >> There's another one.

[1:12:10] I'll just ask for I'll >> maybe you put it back in your stash.

[1:12:13] » I'll email Janette for another copy back the library one. I was want to keep all

[1:12:17] my stuff together and I somehow lost mine somewhere.

[1:12:19] » The library stuff is a motion to

[1:12:24] » I make a motion to adjurnn. >> Second.

[1:12:27] » Any discussion? >> No.

[1:12:29] » All those in favor? I >> David

[1:12:33] » I

[1:12:37] just Thank you everybody. >> All right. I'm just going to make sure I

[1:12:40] don't

[1:12:43] see I I know

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