[0:00] okay yeah okay uh it's 6 30 I think we've got

[0:04] everybody here so let's go ahead and get started

[0:12] all right looks like we do have a quorum everyone's present tonight

[0:17] uh we need to uh review the agenda and see if there need to be any changes

[0:24] it's nice to see a short one

[0:31] yeah we've forgotten yeah

[0:34] did anyone see any need to change the agenda

[0:37] okay can I have a motion to approve the agenda

[0:42] moved and seconded all in favor say aye aye any opposed

[0:47] thank you all right we need to take a quick look at the minutes from October

[0:52] 19th make any changes or

[0:56] revisions in those

[1:14] foreign

[1:29] see any need to make a correction on those

[1:37] uh if not can I have a motion to approve the minutes

[1:42] moved any second moved and seconded all in favor say aye aye any opposed

[1:50] thank you

[1:53] all right uh the public hearing we have one case tonight as always

[1:59] we will read through the case get response from legan for any questions

[2:05] the applicant will have an opportunity to speak to the Planning Commission and

[2:12] there will be time for public comment after that

[2:17] case number su-01-23-1 [Music]

[2:22] rooted Land Company LLC Mr Zachary Whitman has applied for a special use

[2:28] permit to operate six short-term rental units on two adjoining Parcels which he

[2:34] owns the two Parcels combined contain roughly

[2:37] 257 acres and are identified on Madison County's tax maps as

[2:44] 37-7c and 37-11 the 100 Acre parcel

[2:50] 37-7c is zoned A1 Agriculture and in this zoning District more than one

[2:57] short-term rental on a single parcel requires a special use permit

[3:02] currently this parcel contains one by right three bedroom short-term rental

[3:08] unit and an additional three bedroom short-term rental unit is proposed

[3:14] the adjoining 157 acre parcel 37-11 is split Zone C1 conservation and

[3:22] A1 Agriculture and a special use permit is required for more than one short-term

[3:27] rental unit on a single parcel currently this parcel is undeveloped but

[3:33] four short-terminal units are proposed the four short-term rental units would

[3:38] be a three bedroom unit and three one bedroom units

[3:42] the subject Parcels are located on graves Mill Road route 662.

[3:47] the existing dwelling located on parcel 37-7c contains a postal address of 2410

[3:55] Graves Mill Road Madison Virginia all right leaving anything to add on

[4:00] that no I'll um so

[4:04] there is an existing one can I go to

[4:09] um

[4:11] can I get control of this right here

[4:17] I was just going to go to

[4:42] there you go

[4:45] so if if you look at a little hatch line

[4:49] so this Graves milled to the left that's where the existing dwelling that that

[4:53] that's the one you know you see like with the candy cane that's with existing

[4:59] and then it would the three bedroom at the very North the very top you see the

[5:04] green line the red that would be roughly where and that's

[5:07] where our Park site is that's with a three bedroom unit so that

[5:10] parcel would have two units got an existing one and a

[5:15] second one that's what 100 Acre parcel and then if you go to the net and if you

[5:20] go to the next page if you come down keep scrolling down

[5:26] you can actually go back up you can go back up

[5:29] so if you look right keep going up on the next parcel itself

[5:34] you see those keep can go back down right there so that's the 157 acre

[5:40] parcel that's to the South joins

[5:44] it'd be a the first one red you know Red Dot would be a three bedroom

[5:50] and those three clustered together would be

[5:54] three one bedrooms now they all have he has all the perk

[6:00] sites and everything for each one um

[6:04] it's really it's really requesting for short-term rental we say six I don't see

[6:09] any problem with advertising for six but one would be right by right on each

[6:14] parcel but we still we just sort of said we just said six not that's anything

[6:19] wrong with that but um three

[6:24] of the of the short-term units that are

[6:28] proposed I'm saying that they would be

[6:31] manufactured

[6:34] what they call part Park Model Park Park Model RV is that right three of them so

[6:40] it's three clustered right together and you got a visual

[6:43] and those would be on a septic all be hooked into a septic they'd be within

[6:47] close proximity to each other nothing you know there's nothing wrong

[6:51] with as far as a building official we talked to Jamie

[6:53] about that that's fine that's what Madison bonds has just FYI they have a

[6:58] park model but I mean like Park like you're parking it it's not really

[7:02] something that is you move around a lot and it can be put on a permanent

[7:06] foundation you can bring electric to it the only thing it's just not meant for

[7:11] full-time living as long as it's you know a short-term rental or a

[7:16] non-full-time use they're quite nice and again

[7:21] Madison bond has some units like this so you know my feeling is I mean we've been

[7:28] to a lot of short-term rentals hearings lately is

[7:33] this is obviously it's got one active one now on the

[7:37] combined it actually owns 300 acres a little over 300 there's another parcel

[7:41] that's not part of this request that he owns but

[7:45] I think the scale is um kind of more

[7:49] uh what we maybe are comfortable with a little easier so this is you know six of

[7:56] that 200 some Acres um

[7:58] VDOT doesn't really have a lot of comments

[8:02] um there's a couple access points in in there on graves Mill there's a couple

[8:09] different access points um

[8:12] I'll let Zachary can you have any questions for

[8:14] him you can ask him but other than that um

[8:18] a few things that tie together before this would be

[8:21] January 4th hearings we got another month

[8:25] um and that'll that's it any questions for

[8:29] me about this one or like what are those uh other white

[8:34] blocks that you've got up there

[8:40] yeah I think those are identifying textbooks those little white yeah okay

[8:44] yeah so this um

[8:48] so the access points the one that's down there off of uh Berry Mountain Road I

[8:54] guess is there a uh an easement there's one a Roadies

[8:59] meant one to that one right there because it looks like it's going through

[9:02] two pieces of other pieces of property

[9:08] the first the first easement I mean the first access right

[9:17] yes

[9:28] so yeah

[9:33] behind bird Mountain Road or I'm sandwiching between Barry and Drake's

[9:38] Mills if you're coming down Drake's Miller's Hollow back to the left the

[9:41] first step down below uh to the right there if there's an old bridge shouldn't

[9:46] be back on it before I did okay Ben Jim's hated for seven years that's it's

[9:51] that parcel right down right next to Estes is my neighbor oh okay yeah I

[9:56] don't know where it is the other question maybe what are we

[10:00] seeing those three Parcels that are together right there what's that piece

[10:04] of land grown

[10:09] now we'll pull up

[10:15] I did not like this handy yeah I got it

[10:21] God I can't stand this so

[10:25] that parcel is right here the the cabins are right in here it's a

[10:30] it's a1c1

[10:33] the green right there

[10:40] yeah right is that right is that right in here

[11:00] three Park mobile homes and then the other two

[11:05] would be the state built three bedroom

[11:09] one guy would that require three Anchor Street

[11:13] yeah but he's got it yes right that's what that's what

[11:26] we're all of them together

[11:31] it's a lot set back that's what I was asking

[11:33] yeah I mean uh the uh you don't have to put on a separate parcel I mean the

[11:40] setbacks we don't require that they have to be that just have to be out the

[11:44] property line you know 125 feet from sides 50 from the rear

[11:50] um as far as their cluster I mean the building thistle just

[11:54] requires they be so many feet apart for fire protection but I don't see

[11:59] doing this as any kind of issue with the zoning ordinance

[12:04] um so all three of them can be on three

[12:07] acres or one acre or whatever yeah yeah I mean I unless you have some concern

[12:12] about it there's nothing in a code to me that

[12:15] you know they're yeah I mean I I'm not aware of anything

[12:19] I mean um unless you see something that would

[12:23] be like I said the building Fisher wants a certain amount of Separation but I

[12:27] mean they'll probably be what 20 30 feet apart

[12:30] I mean at minimum

[12:42] three legal reasons

[12:46] the main road right there the mouse is serving over that's one of

[12:50] these 24K

[13:01] they'll all be installed so you're basically looking at a single entrance

[13:05] off of Grace Mill Road then and then branching off yeah okay yep you

[13:11] actually have he has two entrances but one will be the primary entrance

[13:16] uh

[13:22] yeah but these are the ones that are intended to service the short-term

[13:26] rentals the ones that are shown here yeah

[13:30] yes um

[13:33] I think I know but I'll explain your rationale for

[13:38] clustering the three units septic power

[13:43] um

[13:47] and just remember where all the Italians are

[13:50] one those are one bedrooms so they only have one car as well

[13:54] so everything could be compacted right there in one location so each each one

[13:59] of the tiny homes will not have multiple Vehicles

[14:03] so in one bathroom but it's mainly clustering to

[14:11] limit the septic system to one serving three right and Road

[14:20] Lincoln since we're obviously going with the Africa now I want you to give you

[14:25] the mic so yeah

[14:33] any other questions for the applicant yes well this is probably for League can

[14:38] one septic field uh serve three of these yeah I mean we have to have three

[14:43] bedroom septic if it's but yeah they could do that people people do that

[14:48] same thing that's right

[14:57] these all three look like they're right along the tree line where the

[15:02] slope starts going up along that River Valley there correct I assume that's the

[15:06] Rapidan there right uh if the rapid in there's also a smaller Creek negative as

[15:11] well well we can't see that on this and it'll it'll be on great of course and

[15:15] we'll go in and do dirt work to each one of the sides but

[15:26] any other question

[15:30] on your your three single bedroom

[15:34] I guess I'll call them manufactured homes because I noticed that we don't

[15:38] actually have a mobile home definition in our ordinance

[15:43] are those going to be placed on permanent foundation correct yes sir yes

[15:47] okay

[15:50] look at how much land is being disturbed for this project

[15:56] well you already have a road it goes back to that one

[15:59] the it already pretty much is a road there's an existing farmer that goes to

[16:03] each side right we're gonna we're gonna gravel it and probably put in a couple

[16:07] of small culverts and then it would just be the footprint for each one of the

[16:11] yeah so Maybe if it's all done at once

[16:16] you might have each separate part maybe 10 you know it

[16:21] might be a little less than an acre total not even I would even say it even

[16:24] acre

[16:32] and this doesn't actually have anything to do with it but knowing that stretch

[16:37] of the river up there in that terrain uh it looks like your entrance does cross

[16:42] the river right correct it does yeah I assume you have a large Bridge of some

[16:47] kind where we're in the process of installing a new VDOT 100 000 pound

[16:51] Bridge foreign

[16:59] [Music] any other question for the applicant

[17:07] pretty straightforward I got one so just for for the applicant

[17:15] so you know we recently changed uh the way I see this map

[17:21] um all six units are going to be serviced by a portion of the the

[17:27] driveway off of uh Graves Mill Road correct so we passed not too long ago uh

[17:34] you can have six units on a private Drive which this equals six except for

[17:40] the fact that the park model RVs obviously could be removed

[17:47] with some ease if you ever wanted down the line to to switch it out and build

[17:55] regular family homes in there but they would have to go yes sir okay yeah and

[18:02] that's part of the logic as well in case gotcha something doesn't work all right

[18:05] I think it's incumbent upon all of us to let applicants know what they're getting

[18:12] into sometimes okay that's all I got mm-hmm

[18:18] any other questions for the applicant

[18:23] be public comment

[18:31] great but I'll address these comments

[18:38] commission not to Mr Whitman but Mr Whitman uh not in my backyard crew will

[18:43] be old yeah Mike would you come up to the Mike

[18:51] foreign

[18:58] I mean so have you talked to your neighbors have you I mean anybody

[19:04] there'll be a hundred people in here I don't know about 100 but there's a bunch

[19:07] of people in here and they will influence

[19:11] not only the Planning Commission they will try to influence the board of

[19:15] supervisor uh I I think that you should uh

[19:19] especially when you're running through easements

[19:23] you know you you probably need to really make sure that you can do what you want

[19:27] to do through somebody else's problem uh

[19:31] when does the sign go up Mr Webb um I'll wait till probably

[19:36] middle of December uh sometime just because it won't be till January 4th

[19:42] so sometimes and you you want that [Music]

[19:49] they want this they need to come to the meeting on January 4th

[19:53] understood and have you talked to anybody from the Piedmont environmental

[19:59] Council no I don't know I would advise you to do that just to be they're aware

[20:04] at least they're aware that you're going to do this and cross a string

[20:10] thank you thank you

[20:13] any other public comment

[20:26] all right if not thank you for your application uh are there any additional

[20:31] items uh from the Planning Commission or from the public

[20:42] if not can I have a motion for adjournment

[20:46] a second moved and seconded all in favor say uh okay

[20:53] [Laughter] tip

[20:59] go home and have dinner with your wife

[21:03] yeah yes Dan

[21:08] why you're early

[21:12] oh okay you don't need one for being early okay yeah

[21:17] made any all in favor say aye aye any opposed

[21:22] there you go it was a a valid point

[21:27] thank you

Planning Commission Workshop 11-16-22

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