[0:07] Call this meeting to order.

[0:09] Thank you for coming.

[0:11] We need to do the pledge of allegiance.

[0:14] >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

[0:16] United States of America, and to the

[0:17] republic for which it stands,

[0:20] one nation

[0:21] under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[0:23] justice for all.

[0:26] » I just want to make sure that all select

[0:27] board members are here this evening.

[0:38] Okay, consent agenda.

[0:40] AP warrants number 29 dated 4 13 2026.

[0:44] Motion to approve.

[0:46] >> I'll make a motion to approve the

[0:49] AP warrants and payroll registers.

[0:52] Oh, you haven't got payroll. I'm sorry.

[0:54] For the AP warrants.

[0:56] >> I'll second.

[0:57] >> All in favor?

[0:59] Payroll registers number 15 dated 4 9

[1:02] 2026, number 16 dated 4 16 2026.

[1:07] >> So moved.

[1:08] >> Second.

[1:09] >> All in favor?

[1:13] I need a motion for acceptance of the

[1:15] minutes of the select board meeting of 4

[1:17] 13

[1:18] 2026.

[1:19] >> So moved.

[1:20] >> Second.

[1:25] All in favor?

[1:28] Old business, um update for the

[1:30] postponed joint Oh, sorry.

[1:32] Joint budget advisory meeting.

[1:34] >> Yes, ma'am.

[1:35] >> Um so, we'll be scheduling the budget

[1:38] advisory meeting for May 4th.

[1:41] We delayed just so we're making sure

[1:43] that we're reviewing everything and have

[1:44] all the information.

[1:46] Um

[1:47] it'll be at

[1:50] 6:30 p.m.

[1:52] There will be information sent out as

[1:54] soon as possible.

[1:56] Uh the reason for delay is just trying

[1:58] to be as thorough as possible,

[1:59] >> [clears throat]

[2:00] >> but we'll try to get the information out

[2:01] so everybody can review it, please, on

[2:03] the committee.

[2:05] Um, and have the supplemental

[2:06] information for the public for this day.

[2:11] » Okay. Any questions or comments?

[2:14] Seeing none,

[2:15] um, we'll move on to update regarding

[2:17] bank reconciliations and audit.

[2:21] >> So, we talked about this at the last

[2:23] meeting, just providing an update, and

[2:26] uh, Patrick Dolan from the county had

[2:27] come in and offered some help in

[2:30] just reviewing uh, where we're at with

[2:32] journaling and make sure making sure

[2:34] that everything is good before we send a

[2:35] work for our last audit. He's come back

[2:38] in, we're wrapping up those journals,

[2:40] and we're preparing within the next week

[2:43] to be able to send stuff to the

[2:44] auditors. So, we're moving forward, and

[2:47] um, we'll continue to update as we have

[2:49] more progress.

[2:51] >> Okay.

[2:53] Any questions?

[2:54] >> [clears throat]

[2:55] >> Seeing none, we'll move on to items of

[2:58] communication.

[2:59] Uh, town manager's report on expenses,

[3:01] revenues, and GA week 43 for FY 2015.

[3:07] >> Um, so you'll see in your packet that

[3:09] you have the revenue and expense

[3:11] reports. Um,

[3:13] those show current um, for this week,

[3:15] uh, week 43.

[3:17] Um, I don't have an update on GA at this

[3:20] time. I'm still reviewing. Uh, when I

[3:22] have more information on that, I will

[3:24] provide it, um, but you'll see it in the

[3:26] expense and revenue sheets. There's just

[3:28] nothing specific to note at this time.

[3:32] >> Any questions or any thoughts?

[3:34] No.

[3:35] Okay.

[3:36] Uh,

[3:37] number two, ATV grant update.

[3:40] >> Uh, so I just wanted to let the public

[3:42] and uh, the select board be aware that

[3:45] um, we're looking into doing the ATV

[3:48] grant, uh, same as last year uh, with

[3:50] the ATV club. This is just a

[3:52] pass-through grant.

[3:54] Um

[3:56] And if you have any questions, just let

[3:58] me know. It went well last year, and

[4:00] we're going to be repeating the same

[4:01] process this year.

[4:03] Um and the reimbursement

[4:04] >> [clears throat]

[4:05] >> tended to be about 6 to 8 weeks. Um

[4:07] reviewing everything, I have no concerns

[4:09] in continuing to do it this year.

[4:11] >> And this is a pass-through money like it

[4:13] was before?

[4:13] >> It is. Invoices get submitted and then

[4:16] reimbursed. Right?

[4:18] >> Questions?

[4:20] Seeing none?

[4:21] Do we want to number three?

[4:23] 20 Park Street parcel 943-C, sale of

[4:26] foreclosed properties.

[4:28] >> Um

[4:30] So, this is just an update because last

[4:33] meeting we talked about that we were

[4:35] going to be listing this property.

[4:37] Um we [clears throat] put this on the

[4:39] agenda just to let the public know that

[4:41] we have had offers. Um any offers that

[4:43] have come in will be reviewed in

[4:45] executive session uh because it is a

[4:47] real estate matter, but we wanted to be

[4:50] one that we've already had offers and

[4:51] we'll be reviewing them.

[4:53] >> Questions?

[4:56] You got any questions?

[4:59] Okay. New business. River Road paving

[5:01] project.

[5:04] » Yeah, that would be me. Uh I've had a

[5:05] couple requests from a selectman or two

[5:08] about where we are with that project in

[5:10] the road widening up by the gravel pits

[5:12] um just right around the Barkwell

[5:15] estate.

[5:16] Uh the bids I put some bids out this

[5:18] week and we'll have them back in by

[5:20] Monday. And then uh I'll move forward

[5:23] with an opening those on Monday and then

[5:26] looking like the second week of May that

[5:28] project will be complete.

[5:30] >> How'll you be able to do that quickly?

[5:31] That's good.

[5:32] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[5:34] >> You got any questions?

[5:35] >> Okay.

[5:37] Seeing none. Um

[5:39] number two, to decide whether the

[5:41] planning board should continue working

[5:42] on the mobile food vendor ordinance and

[5:44] on the mobile home rent stabilization

[5:46] ordinance.

[5:47] And Mary, I believe you are here to

[5:51] address those for us.

[5:52] >> Yes, I am.

[5:54] >> Okay.

[5:54] >> Um I do want to alert you to one thing

[5:58] that we did not catch until tonight and

[6:02] um

[6:03] that the mobile home

[6:05] ordinance that we have, it should really

[6:08] be titled mobile home park lot rent.

[6:14] It's not

[6:15] rent stabilization for individual mobile

[6:17] homes, it is for the rental of the lot.

[6:21] And the purpose of that ordinance is to

[6:24] protect those individuals renting within

[6:28] the mobile home parks we have here in

[6:29] Madison. We have two.

[6:31] Um and this is a big concern because

[6:35] many of those people living there on are

[6:37] on limited incomes and as you've

[6:40] probably read in the news that this is

[6:41] an issue happening across the state. Uh

[6:45] companies are coming in and buying up

[6:46] mobile home

[6:48] uh parks and renovating them and raising

[6:51] rents on them and uh this is has been a

[6:55] problem. And it's not just in Maine,

[6:56] it's across the country. So, we thought

[6:59] we would try and see what we could do

[7:02] about this, find out as much as we can

[7:04] and get this started. Um it kind of

[7:08] borders um planning board responsibility

[7:11] in terms of planning, but the other part

[7:13] really is select board because you would

[7:15] have to make multiple decisions

[7:17] regarding this.

[7:18] And one in particular is the fact that

[7:22] this ordinance would require one person

[7:24] to be in charge of it or a board to be

[7:27] in charge of it and that would come

[7:29] under you to appoint um people to do

[7:31] that. And of course, that would probably

[7:33] involve money. So, um cuz it would be

[7:35] too much probably for the CEO to handle.

[7:39] Um and there are some other concerns. At

[7:42] the last planning board meeting, um

[7:44] several citizens were very concerned, uh

[7:46] mostly thinking that this will if I

[7:48] interpreted them right, that this um we

[7:51] were trying to

[7:53] um

[7:54] impact rentals of apartments, and we're

[7:57] not this has nothing to do with that.

[7:59] This is only for the mobile home parks

[8:03] to to protect the citizens that live in

[8:05] those parks.

[8:07] Whether or not they own their trailers,

[8:08] I think most of them do own their

[8:09] trailers.

[8:10] So, um that's why we came up with this

[8:13] to kind of get ahead of the game, and we

[8:15] still have some questions about it.

[8:18] And so, we wanted you to review it, see

[8:21] what you thought, and if you want the

[8:23] board to proceed with it, we would be

[8:25] happy to do so.

[8:27] If not, then at least there's something

[8:29] there,

[8:31] you know, you you have a a draft for the

[8:34] future should you decide to go that

[8:36] route.

[8:37] And put it back to the planning board at

[8:39] that time.

[8:41] Okay. So, the mobile home

[8:44] Excuse me, the mobile vendor ordinance,

[8:47] uh we worked on this last year,

[8:49] and it was brought back so we could work

[8:51] on it some more, and

[8:54] um there were several questions at the

[8:55] last meeting, but um

[8:58] I think we're pretty well set. Um there

[9:00] are still some questions to be answered,

[9:02] but this um was brought before us

[9:05] because of concerns for safety with some

[9:08] of these um being set up and on private

[9:11] property, and there was concerns for

[9:13] safety of children and other people, and

[9:15] also some food safety concerns, and as

[9:18] well as competition with our

[9:20] brick-and-mortar stores or restaurants

[9:22] that we have here in town. So, this

[9:25] ordinance covers that. It eliminates

[9:28] those um

[9:30] fundraising situations where you're

[9:32] having food, whether it's a VFW or a

[9:34] church or what have you.

[9:37] Um

[9:38] then that those are not those are

[9:40] exempted under this.

[9:43] Okay? So

[9:44] um

[9:46] So we we did the best we could. Um

[9:48] Melanie Weston

[9:50] um from KDCOG uh guided us a lot. She

[9:53] wrote the majority of this based on um

[9:55] her knowledge and what's happening

[9:57] around the state. And so again these are

[9:59] just drafts of what we've come up with

[10:01] and for you to consider. And if you'd

[10:03] like us to move forward on that as well

[10:06] then we will do so.

[10:09] We are definitely not ready to have a

[10:11] public hearing on this. You know, we

[10:13] would still need to gather some more

[10:15] information and and and Melanie was

[10:17] going to get back to us with some

[10:19] information regarding the mobile home

[10:22] park lot. But so on your copies put lot

[10:25] rent on there

[10:26] so that you know. Okay? Any questions?

[10:29] >> Any questions?

[10:34] So we

[10:36] on the

[10:38] I would say separately

[10:39] um and do lot rent on the first.

[10:44] Um

[10:45] So

[10:46] if we motion to either

[10:48] have the planning board move forward

[10:50] with this or to

[10:52] >> Do you mind speaking up a little, Sally?

[10:53] I'm having a hard time hearing you

[10:54] sitting here.

[10:57] » Um what I'm

[10:58] Basically we need to vote on the lot

[11:00] rent prop uh

[11:02] project. So um whether we want to table

[11:06] it for now and visit it again later or

[11:09] we want to

[11:10] um con- have the planning board continue

[11:12] working on it at this point in time. Um

[11:15] and so if we

[11:19] Any questions? Any discussion with

[11:21] regard to it?

[11:28] So

[11:29] >> I think I'd make a motion to table. I

[11:30] think I'd make a motion to table it for

[11:32] right now.

[11:35] >> I would make a motion to table it for

[11:36] right now.

[11:38] >> I'll second that.

[11:39] >> Okay. Any further discussion?

[11:42] This point? All right. No.

[11:44] All in favor?

[11:48] Okay. Tabled for now.

[11:49] >> Thank you.

[11:50] >> You're welcome. Thank you.

[11:51] Um okay, so the So the um mobile vendor

[11:54] ordinance, again,

[11:56] um I'm I'm assuming that

[11:58] you are looking for guidance for us to

[12:00] either table or move forward. Okay.

[12:04] Do we have a motion?

[12:06] >> I would make a motion to move forward

[12:08] with that one.

[12:10] >> I'll second.

[12:11] >> Okay.

[12:12] Any questions? Discussions?

[12:15] Seeing none, all in favor?

[12:16] >> Oh, I'm sorry.

[12:17] >> Hold on.

[12:18] Yes, Chris.

[12:19] >> I I

[12:20] A little bit of clarity on the last

[12:22] motion, I guess. When you say you're

[12:23] tabling it, to to when?

[12:26] >> No.

[12:27] There's no set time.

[12:29] >> There's no set time. We're not ready to We're not ready to

[12:33] put that forward at this time.

[12:34] >> Okay.

[12:35] So this could go This could This could

[12:37] go on for months and months?

[12:38] >> It could come back, I'm sure. But I

[12:41] guess my If you don't mind, I'll share

[12:42] my feeling with you. My feeling is that

[12:44] um this is fairly new, and there are a

[12:46] few towns that are looking at it, and

[12:47] they're all doing research. Now, correct

[12:49] me if I'm wrong here. Um

[12:52] the experience with the state, sometimes

[12:54] they

[12:55] throw these things out, and they want us

[12:57] to react, and to do the research, and

[13:00] then they may some at some point go,

[13:02] "Oops, that's not the way we really

[13:04] wanted to do it." I would like to see

[13:05] someone,

[13:07] you know, maybe a couple of towns try it

[13:09] and see how it goes before we make a

[13:11] step like that. Um but obviously there's

[13:13] a lot of opposition to it. Um and I

[13:16] understand why they want it done,

[13:18] because there are people who are on

[13:20] limited incomes and living in mobile

[13:22] home parks. Um

[13:23] but I think at this this in time, I

[13:26] would rather see some experience with it

[13:28] before we go further. We've got the

[13:30] legwork done.

[13:31] >> Yeah.

[13:31] >> Thanks to the planning board.

[13:33] Um and Mary, do you agree with that? I

[13:35] mean, I don't want to have you do the work and

[13:38] then think that we're just going to

[13:40] >> Oh, no. No. That's why we wanted to send

[13:42] it to you and see what you thought.

[13:44] >> We thought that this would be

[13:45] >> Yeah.

[13:45] >> at least a plan. You know, Waterville

[13:47] already has some form of this and

[13:51] several towns are taking the step of

[13:55] um

[13:57] I've lost the word that I want.

[13:59] Moratorium.

[13:59] >> Okay.

[14:00] >> Um place a

[14:01] moratorium of 90 days, 100 and some days

[14:05] um on rental on on these lot rentals,

[14:08] preventing those rents from going up um

[14:10] while they do their research.

[14:13] >> Yes, sir. Do you have a question? Your

[14:14] name, please?

[14:15] >> So is it my clarification on tabling? So

[14:18] you guys are going to vote to have the

[14:20] planning board go back and look at it at

[14:22] a later time?

[14:23] >> If If it comes up, yeah.

[14:24] >> [clears throat]

[14:25] >> So they can't

[14:26] then uh researching this anymore to

[14:28] bring to you?

[14:30] >> Not at this time.

[14:31] And there is There are questions

[14:33] >> was was did the Did you guys ask them to

[14:36] do this originally?

[14:38] >> No.

[14:39] >> this the planning board on their own

[14:40] doing it?

[14:41] >> It It came up at the planning board

[14:42] level.

[14:43] >> Okay. So they can't re- look at it until

[14:46] you guys approve

[14:46] >> until we decide it that we want to look

[14:48] at it. What is your name? I'm sorry.

[14:50] >> Jeff. Jeff.

[14:51] >> Thank you. Oh, Jeff, I know you.

[14:54] >> I know.

[14:56] >> [clears throat]

[14:56] >> Okay. So is that good, Chris? You good?

[14:58] >> Yeah. I I just want to know

[15:00] >> Yeah.

[15:01] >> if it was to come up again, who's going

[15:02] to make the deciding factor on who's

[15:05] going to what they're going to do, I

[15:06] guess.

[15:07] >> It will be the board of selectmen.

[15:08] >> Who comes from here?

[15:09] >> And on the the mobile ordinance, the

[15:12] food ordinance, I guess I have a hard

[15:13] time with this because

[15:16] we the health The state of Maine has

[15:18] health inspectors.

[15:20] If If somebody's setting up shop in our

[15:21] town,

[15:23] they sell hot dogs or french fries at

[15:25] the corner,

[15:26] and there's an issue. Why don't we just

[15:29] Why don't we pick up a phone and call

[15:30] the state and let them investigate it?

[15:32] Why Why are we getting into

[15:34] trying to man that? Who's going to man

[15:37] that? Who's

[15:38] You know,

[15:40] yeah, we have a full-time code

[15:41] enforcement officer, but somebody rolls

[15:42] in on the weekend, like Jeff Watts said

[15:44] last planning board meeting, and sells

[15:47] it Saturday and Sunday, what are you

[15:48] going to track them down on Monday and

[15:50] see if they paid the fees to the town

[15:51] and see if it's already too late. So,

[15:56] why don't we let the state do their job

[15:58] and not not do that? I have a hard time

[16:01] with that, I guess.

[16:02] >> Okay. Do you have any Yes, ma'am.

[16:04] >> Sure.

[16:05] >> Um the whole point of this is safety,

[16:09] um as well as um

[16:13] kind of um

[16:16] preventing competition in a way,

[16:19] uh because we want our people here in

[16:20] town who have businesses to be

[16:22] successful and be able to sell. And the

[16:24] state only inspects for health safety,

[16:27] you know, within the the mobile,

[16:30] um within the wagon, whatever they are

[16:32] using. Okay? The other this way, the

[16:35] town knows who is selling and um

[16:42] and ensure that those vendors are are

[16:45] operating in a respectful way,

[16:49] um because we don't want someone setting

[16:50] up shop right next door to Fonzo's. All

[16:53] right? Um

[16:54] and then we have a new restaurant going

[16:56] in. Well, unless they get permission, we

[16:58] don't want someone selling up setting up

[17:01] a truck and competing with the

[17:02] restaurant.

[17:04] All right. So, but again, the churches

[17:07] and the VFW and other organizations who

[17:10] want to

[17:12] sell food or have meals to raise funds,

[17:15] that is not impacted. Those are not

[17:17] impacted by this ordinance. Cuz we just

[17:20] don't want, you know, if you think about

[17:22] it, do you want a vendor setting up on

[17:24] every corner in this town selling food

[17:27] or in neighborhoods causing traffic

[17:29] situations? And that's what was brought

[17:32] to us.

[17:33] That there were complaints because of

[17:35] traffic concerns and possibility of

[17:37] children getting hurt or hit trying to

[17:40] pull out of the, you know, parking

[17:41] space.

[17:43] >> Okay, so that's how it started with

[17:45] >> Mhm.

[17:45] >> There was concerns about the

[17:46] >> Yes. Yes. Now, we we just didn't come up

[17:49] with this one.

[17:50] Okay? And And just like the other one,

[17:52] we just didn't come up with it. That

[17:53] things happened and and there were

[17:55] complaints. So, but this was

[17:58] um

[17:59] uh

[18:01] You know, and the number of vendors are

[18:03] increasing here in town. So, you know,

[18:06] we want people to be able to sell their

[18:09] food and make a profit, but doing it in

[18:12] a respectful way so that everybody is

[18:15] treated equally.

[18:18] >> Thank you.

[18:19] >> Does that help?

[18:20] >> Yes, that

[18:21] >> Can I add a quick comment to that?

[18:22] >> Sure.

[18:23] >> What about all these Girl Scouts selling

[18:25] cookies everywhere and the kids are

[18:26] running everywhere?

[18:27] >> I know, but we don't

[18:28] >> Where's Where's the safety in that?

[18:29] >> We're not We don't control

[18:30] >> But that's what you're saying. You're

[18:31] saying safety.

[18:32] >> That's up to the leaders.

[18:34] >> But you're still saying safety.

[18:36] >> But they're not, you know,

[18:37] >> They're still selling the food, but

[18:38] >> They are, but that's unrelated to this.

[18:45] » Who's that

[18:46] Yes, Lisa. [snorts]

[18:47] >> Um I thought at the last planning board

[18:49] meeting they voted to table the mobile

[18:52] food vendor ordinance until August.

[18:56] Isn't that what Jay wanted to do and

[18:57] everybody agreed?

[18:59] >> Well, they can start working on it if

[19:01] the select board wanted us to continue

[19:03] working on it.

[19:04] >> Okay, cuz I did actually type up the

[19:06] questions like I said I would. Um there

[19:08] was four pages of them.

[19:10] It's eight pages of ordinance and

[19:13] overreaching

[19:15] control on the local level. It's not

[19:17] business friendly.

[19:19] It's just actually I think the number of

[19:22] vendors is actually decreasing from what

[19:25] I've seen.

[19:26] But um we're talking about a single

[19:28] digit number of people that this is

[19:31] targeting and they're already

[19:33] they're regulated by the state. They

[19:35] have to have a

[19:37] serve safe serve food license,

[19:40] inspection by the state, and a

[19:42] registration by the state.

[19:45] I just don't think that

[19:47] it's just too overreaching. I mean eight

[19:49] pages, it's going to be a lot on your

[19:51] CEO.

[19:53] I just don't know why you wouldn't just

[19:55] go with the guidance of the, you know,

[19:58] table it until August or a table it

[20:00] forget. I mean

[20:03] It's it's not if you don't think

[20:04] something is is, you know, the food

[20:06] isn't clean, don't go there. Go to

[20:07] McDonald's instead. I'm sure it's a lot

[20:09] cleaner.

[20:11] So, I just I would [clears throat]

[20:12] recommend that you just be done with it.

[20:18] » Thank you.

[20:19] Okay, so we have a motion

[20:21] to go forward with it and a second.

[20:23] [snorts]

[20:24] Any other comments?

[20:26] >> Can I ask clarify? Did you guys table it

[20:29] till August?

[20:31] Did you guys table it in the planning

[20:32] board till August?

[20:33] >> To work on it. Yes.

[20:36] >> Assuming that assuming you wanted the planning board to continue

[20:40] >> All right, good.

[20:41] >> It was contingent on your guys'

[20:42] decision.

[20:43] >> Okay.

[20:46] » So, again we have a motion to continue

[20:49] and a second.

[20:51] So, barring no other questions, all in

[20:53] favor.

[20:54] >> So,

[20:55] >> I'm sorry.

[20:56] >> Okay, I I guess I'm I I'm clear. So, if

[20:58] we go ahead if they go ahead with it,

[21:00] are you still putting it on hold until

[21:02] August or are you just going ahead with

[21:04] it now? I I'm unclear I don't what this

[21:06] is.

[21:06] >> We're we're We'll put it on hold. We'll

[21:08] wait until obviously could be they could

[21:10] decide to go with it in July. You know,

[21:13] it just depends.

[21:15] Okay, but there was no point in moving

[21:17] forward

[21:18] at all unless you wanted them to do

[21:22] that.

[21:22] >> Oh, okay.

[21:23] >> Because we're there's more information

[21:24] to be gathered.

[21:25] >> to say so it'll come back here anyway.

[21:27] >> Pardon?

[21:27] >> It will come back here anyway or no?

[21:30] >> It'll come back to us to the final piece

[21:33] or

[21:33] >> Yes.

[21:34] yeah.

[21:34] >> Because we would still have to hold a

[21:36] public hearing and then to get any

[21:39] challenges as necessary and eventually

[21:40] come to you.

[21:42] That goes to town meeting. That's good.

[21:45] All in favor? Oh, I'm sorry, Jeff.

[21:48] >> Just one word of caution.

[21:50] This is a really slippery slope.

[21:53] Uh this is how our bureaucracy is built.

[21:56] You've got eight pages of regulations.

[21:59] You don't have any person in authority

[22:00] to to do these regulations or observe

[22:03] these regulations to see to it that

[22:06] It is just the same as it was with the mobile home ordinance. Who's going to be in charge of that?

[22:12] Anytime you've got a public sector

[22:13] trying to exhibit more control over

[22:16] private enterprise, it makes me very

[22:18] nervous.

[22:21] » Thank you.

[22:24] Okay.

[22:27] So we need to vote.

[22:31] Okay, all in favor?

[22:33] I'm voting forward

[22:34] >> With that.

[22:38] » We can't hear back here.

[22:40] >> We need a vote. All in favor of moving

[22:42] forward with this

[22:44] on this level.

[22:49] » Closed.

[22:51] >> Okay, we don't have them. We don't have

[22:53] enough to vote, so it dies.

[22:57] Okay?

[23:01] Thank you, Mary, for your work.

[23:03] >> Thank you.

[23:04] >> you.

[23:05] >> Okay,

[23:06] moving on to citizen concerns.

[23:11] Anybody have any

[23:12] Randy.

[23:13] >> Hold hold hold.

[23:14] >> Oh, I'm sorry.

[23:15] >> Don't you have to say all opposed so you

[23:17] can think about it so it's all just

[23:19] friendly.

[23:21] >> All opposed.

[23:24] Okay.

[23:25] >> Okay, thank you.

[23:25] >> So moved. Thank you. Thank you for the

[23:26] reminder.

[23:28] Okay, so citizen concerns. Do we have

[23:30] any

[23:32] Randy?

[23:33] >> So I just wanted to remind everybody we

[23:35] have a candidate forum coming up in this

[23:38] room May 6th at 6:30.

[23:41] And we're hoping to have all five of our

[23:42] candidates.

[23:44] See how we can do on that.

[23:46] That'll be coming up.

[23:49] A second one that I wanted to bring up.

[23:52] Um

[23:54] I have an idea

[23:56] to run by you guys.

[23:58] One of the things I've observed

[24:02] through my time watching these meetings

[24:05] and even the online stuff is that

[24:08] sometimes people will say

[24:11] they don't want to bring things up in

[24:12] citizens concern because they they they

[24:14] feel that they won't get addressed or

[24:16] they get dropped.

[24:18] So I wonder if there's some way we can

[24:19] come up with an idea to keep those on

[24:22] the table.

[24:23] I don't know if we can put something

[24:25] maybe on the agenda that says status

[24:27] report or something like that. But just

[24:30] wanted

[24:30] >> That's a that's a

[24:31] good suggestion and I think that that is

[24:33] in our work

[24:35] study going forward.

[24:37] Okay, so we don't drive them.

[24:40] >> I got I got a couple Sally.

[24:41] >> Yes, please.

[24:42] >> One is while Mary's here, where we at

[24:45] with the setback

[24:46] uh property setback ordinance? Are we

[24:48] going to be able to have that at the

[24:50] town meeting?

[24:51] >> Yes.

[24:52] >> We will. Okay, so we can go over it.

[24:53] >> Yes, the the Um, meeting is

[24:57] >> Tomorrow.

[24:58] thank you.

[25:00] The meeting is tomorrow.

[25:01] >> Okay.

[25:01] >> No.

[25:02] it isn't.

[25:03] >> The meeting is May 5th. We had to put it

[25:05] off to make sure we had enough public

[25:07] notice.

[25:08] >> Oh.

[25:08] >> So, it went in the newspaper. Um, it'll

[25:11] be posted again in the newspaper. It's

[25:12] been posted in the town office. And when

[25:14] I get back to the office tonight, now

[25:16] that I have the meeting material for the

[25:18] planning board, um, and all the

[25:20] information to be able to send off to

[25:22] everybody, it'll get sent out this

[25:24] evening.

[25:25] Um, so that the planning board, um,

[25:27] and the public, uh, can be notified

[25:29] about the meeting.

[25:31] >> Does that mean we're not having an extra

[25:32] meeting tomorrow night, then?

[25:33] >> No.

[25:34] >> Got you.

[25:34] >> No, yes, tomorrow, no.

[25:36] >> Okay.

[25:36] >> So, this is a special meeting then for,

[25:38] uh, May

[25:39] whatever that date is.

[25:40] >> 5th.

[25:41] May 5th.

[25:42] >> May 5th.

[25:43] >> At 6:30.

[25:44] >> And And secondly, I read the minutes

[25:46] after you guys went into executive

[25:48] session the last meeting for the three

[25:50] executive sessions.

[25:51] I get it's a personnel matter. Not

[25:53] asking about

[25:54] the person. I'm asking about the

[25:56] position.

[25:58] What would been the reasoning

[26:00] that you changed

[26:02] from termination to suspended,

[26:05] uh, after it was done? Was this not ran

[26:08] by the town attorney?

[26:09] >> It It was. And they And And we he gave

[26:12] advice us to make that change.

[26:14] >> After or before happened?

[26:15] >> After.

[26:17] >> So, you didn't check before you made

[26:19] those decisions?

[26:20] >> We We did, but we misinterpreted his his

[26:23] instructions.

[26:24] >> Okay.

[26:25] All right, thank you.

[26:25] >> But we needed to correct it, so we did.

[26:27] >> Thank you.

[26:28] >> You're welcome.

[26:30] Anything else? Jeffrey?

[26:32] >> I have a concern, not so much as the

[26:34] road commissioner, but as a citizen.

[26:38] You know, th- this town has a meth

[26:40] clinic coming to it

[26:42] real soon.

[26:43] And

[26:44] as to my knowledge, we have nothing in

[26:46] place for homelessness

[26:49] and homeless shelters in this town.

[26:53] I think instead of wasting our time on

[26:57] mobile home lots,

[26:59] food vendors, we should really think

[27:01] ahead and get something in play, even if

[27:04] we have to have a special town meeting,

[27:06] to get something on the books before

[27:09] this clinic comes to town.

[27:11] And something that can be enforced.

[27:14] >> Are you saying a review of the ordinance

[27:16] or

[27:17] >> Is there an ordinance, a homeless

[27:18] ordinance?

[27:19] >> Well, not a homeless ordinance. There's

[27:20] no ordinance for that. There's no

[27:22] ordinance for that. And I don't believe

[27:23] so.

[27:24] >> shelter ordinance. So, this making

[27:26] everyone aware that this is coming and

[27:29] it's coming this summer.

[27:30] So, you guys and the planning board may

[27:33] want to think about moving forward and

[27:36] getting something on the books so it can

[27:38] be enforced. I know of a couple

[27:40] instances right here in town

[27:43] that have already happened and the

[27:45] sheriff's department cannot do anything

[27:48] about it

[27:50] because there's nothing in place.

[27:55] So, it's something to think about, some

[27:56] words of thought.

[28:01] » No, I agree. Thank you.

[28:02] >> And I know special town meetings, you

[28:04] know, cost a little bit of money, but

[28:07] if we have to wait 1 more year to move

[28:09] this forward after this place comes to

[28:12] town,

[28:13] it may be too late.

[28:19] » So, I agree with you 100% Jeff, and I've

[28:21] been working on something for the last 6

[28:23] weeks or so, exactly of what you're

[28:25] talking about that I was going to

[28:26] present to the board and the people,

[28:30] uh but it was going to be after the town

[28:31] meeting.

[28:32] But, uh there definitely needs to be

[28:33] some guidelines in place for

[28:36] exactly what you're talking about and in

[28:38] then some,

[28:39] and other things, but I was going to

[28:40] bring it up

[28:41] after the town meeting. So,

[28:45] it is being thought of.

[28:47] >> It definitely needs to be thought about,

[28:50] for sure. You're right.

[28:52] Fine, did you have something?

[28:53] >> Uh well, yeah. I didn't realize John had

[28:56] been working on stuff. I Yeah, I was hoping we were going to

[28:59] immediately start working on some kind

[29:00] some type of a provision for that

[29:02] ordinance uh at the two two meetings ago

[29:05] for the planning board, but we've been

[29:07] Our agenda's been on the these other two

[29:08] ordinances, so it would be nice to see

[29:10] something happen there.

[29:11] >> to be Yeah, to get it going. Yeah.

[29:13] Anybody else?

[29:15] >> Well, is this something the planning

[29:17] board could start working on?

[29:18] >> I don't think so.

[29:20] I mean,

[29:21] no.

[29:21] What do you think?

[29:22] >> Not really. That would have to come from

[29:23] you.

[29:24] But, if someone were to

[29:27] build a shelter, then that would come to

[29:29] us for site review.

[29:30] >> Right. Exactly. Yeah.

[29:33] >> What about campings?

[29:34] >> Yeah, campings.

[29:36] >> [snorts]

[29:37] >> That would be because that's

[29:38] enforcement. That's something that the

[29:42] uh select board would have to handle.

[29:45] >> They have to handle the ordinance, not

[29:46] you. Not the planning board.

[29:48] >> Right.

[29:48] >> Mary, would that also include um

[29:51] people squatting on private land? Would

[29:53] that start at the select level and work

[29:55] its way down to the planning

[29:55] >> Yeah, because that has to do with

[29:57] enforce specifically with enforcement,

[29:59] because you know, I guess you know,

[30:01] whatever the law enforcement

[30:03] um whatever the sheriff's department is

[30:05] doing, we don't

[30:08] >> Well, I can speak to that.

[30:09] >> idea. I mean, I think it's a good idea,

[30:11] but really

[30:13] >> If someone's squatting on private

[30:14] property or if they're there without the

[30:16] permission of the landowner, they can be

[30:17] trespassed out by law, sheriff's office.

[30:20] And they can be charged with tres-

[30:22] criminal trespass if they don't leave.

[30:24] >> What about sections of public property

[30:26] that are kind of gray areas in between?

[30:29] >> So, that would be harder, Ryan. We would

[30:30] need some type of ordinance in place um

[30:33] to to govern public property, but

[30:35] private property, it's solely the

[30:37] discretion of the landowner whether they

[30:39] want to allow someone to camp there or

[30:41] not?

[30:43] >> Does it have to be posted?

[30:46] » Ideally, it would be nice, but

[30:49] if you were to call, if you had somebody

[30:52] camped out on your lot and you were to

[30:53] call us and say, "I

[30:56] didn't give this person permission to be

[30:57] there." We would say, "Okay, the

[30:59] landowner has contacted us. You need to

[31:01] leave." If they refuse at that point,

[31:03] then they could be charged.

[31:07] » My biggest concern is to avoid what we

[31:09] want and what I want to avoid now that

[31:10] most people are aware of down by the

[31:11] river, public land, and it's just

[31:14] ravaged.

[31:15] >> Did I see another I'm sorry. Did I see

[31:17] another hand?

[31:18] >> Yes.

[31:20] >> Is there a way to

[31:24] speed up this process?

[31:26] I think this is almost at an emergency

[31:28] level, and this was actually brought up

[31:30] back

[31:32] January-February's meetings when we were

[31:34] talking about that clinic and the

[31:36] homelessness and the issues that come

[31:38] with these encampments.

[31:40] We're already almost 5 months

[31:43] late on getting the jump on this.

[31:46] It's going to be here if we just keep We

[31:48] got to do this

[31:49] planning board's got to do this or

[31:51] someone's got to do that.

[31:53] It's pretty important. We really should

[31:54] be getting on this like yesterday.

[31:57] So, how can we do that?

[32:01] Um I know when we've had a neighbor come

[32:04] on our land and we've called

[32:08] the police, we were told that you can't

[32:10] do anything until you post it.

[32:13] And yeah, and once we posted it, then we

[32:16] had

[32:18] the right and the deputy took care of

[32:20] it, but

[32:21] is MEW and everybody

[32:24] all in that area going to have to put

[32:27] no trespassing signs all over just to

[32:29] cover their butts

[32:31] on that first call?

[32:33] >> Well, without an ordinance, maybe. Yeah,

[32:34] you're right. You're right. So.

[32:37] >> Would it make sense,

[32:39] Cheyenne, to look into what other towns

[32:42] have already like Waterville for example

[32:45] when it comes to publicly owned

[32:46] property?

[32:47] >> Uh yeah, and this is something I've

[32:49] already spoken with Melanie Weston about

[32:52] um

[32:53] when everything was going on

[32:56] regarding the Acadia road about because

[32:58] there was concerns coming in and we can

[33:00] look um at whether what other towns are

[33:03] doing

[33:04] um and based on that see what um might

[33:07] work for Madison.

[33:09] I [clears throat] I would really think

[33:10] that the select board would need to take

[33:12] a vote uh to have the planning board

[33:14] begin researching on that if you want to

[33:17] move forward.

[33:19] >> Do you think we should do that now?

[33:21] >> Do you need motion?

[33:22] >> Mhm.

[33:23] >> Yes.

[33:24] >> So, I'd make a motion that that we as

[33:27] the select board uh advise the planning

[33:29] board to begin research into this this

[33:32] issue of uh trespassing on publicly

[33:35] owned land

[33:36] in light of the Methadone Clinic coming

[33:38] to town.

[33:39] >> I'll second it.

[33:40] >> All in favor?

[33:43] So, moved. Thank you guys.

[33:44] >> Thank you.

[33:45] very much.

[33:47] >> Um okay, are there any other concerns?

[33:50] >> I got one last one.

[33:51] >> Okay. [laughter]

[33:53] >> Okay. One other concern I have. I went to the

[33:57] town office two Mondays ago at 11:31

[34:02] I think it was and the door was locked.

[34:05] >> I was there.

[34:06] >> Would the board of selectmen

[34:09] consider keeping the town office open

[34:12] the regular hours Monday through

[34:14] [clears throat] Friday?

[34:15] >> Shyenne, do you want to We're looking at

[34:17] that, right?

[34:18] >> Uh right now as the interim town

[34:21] manager, I am solely going with what was

[34:24] there existing before me. Um

[34:28] if the board wants to make a change, um

[34:30] then I will make sure that that happens.

[34:33] Um but as for right now, I'm just

[34:35] covering in on the duties of town

[34:37] manager until the board makes a hiring

[34:39] decision.

[34:40] >> How do you feel about that though? Just

[34:41] out Just out of curiosity.

[34:43] >> Um

[34:46] personally, I know that the the staff

[34:49] do

[34:50] um

[34:53] time when we meet. We had one um today

[34:56] and then the staff took lunch um

[34:58] very briefly in that period.

[35:01] Um but I also check in with staff every

[35:03] morning when I get there. Um so I would

[35:05] like to at this point in time where I'm

[35:07] just in interim leadership, leave that

[35:09] up to the board to make that decision.

[35:13] >> So right now you guys do it

[35:15] every week? Every Monday. Every Monday.

[35:17] >> 11:30 to 12:30?

[35:19] >> Would Would once a month seem feasible

[35:22] to do?

[35:23] >> I I believe that um

[35:26] once a month used to be um what was done

[35:29] prior.

[35:30] >> Um but the staff now is different.

[35:33] >> The it

[35:34] >> You

[35:35] >> Well, if Cathy

[35:35] >> Yes, yes, years ago but I mean I I

[35:37] haven't been here that long so I don't

[35:39] know what's changed but

[35:40] >> It used to be and it used to be before

[35:42] work in the morning is what it was and

[35:45] was once a month. I'm just asking. I

[35:47] mean

[35:48] >> Yeah, I believe it was 7:00, wasn't it?

[35:50] >> Wasn't it 7:00?

[35:51] >> We did so that we could open the doors

[35:52] at 7:30. That's what we used to do. But

[35:56] I don't want to go, you know, just

[35:57] because we used to do it doesn't always

[36:00] mean that's the way it needs to be but

[36:01] I'm just asking if even once a month

[36:04] would be something that

[36:06] you think would work.

[36:08] >> I I I think it would just based off of

[36:11] what I'm doing in the interim leadership

[36:14] which is going in and checking in with

[36:15] each individual staff member every day.

[36:18] Um

[36:19] so that seems to be

[36:21] productive and moving forward. Um

[36:25] because everybody's on the same page

[36:27] thing in the morning.

[36:28] >> Right.

[36:28] >> Um so

[36:30] I'm comfortable either way.

[36:33] I [clears throat] know the public has

[36:34] feedback to the office being closed for

[36:37] the hour.

[36:38] Um

[36:40] so

[36:42] do with that information as

[36:43] >> [laughter]

[36:44] >> as you will.

[36:45] >> What would be the likelihood they could

[36:47] would come in and do it prior

[36:50] to work?

[36:51] What is the likelihood that that would

[36:53] happen?

[36:55] I'm just I'm just asking. I mean I don't

[36:56] know if

[36:56] >> I I think that's a discussion that we

[36:58] could have with the staff. This is also

[37:01] something that, you know, we can

[37:03] rediscuss once the town manager has been

[37:05] hired.

[37:07] Then that leadership will be able to

[37:09] provide you feedback on the direction

[37:11] that they would like to go in.

[37:14] Um but for right now you can

[37:16] make a decision because the posting for

[37:19] town manager ends on the 14th.

[37:21] >> That's right.

[37:21] >> Um and then you'll be doing interviews.

[37:24] So that's coming up really quickly. But

[37:26] for right now I'm touching base with

[37:28] staff every day.

[37:31] >> And you've already had Well, no.

[37:33] You've just finished this week.

[37:34] >> That's just this week.

[37:38] » Okay, a couple more. Yes, Lisa.

[37:41] >> I brought this up once before.

[37:42] >> Yep, I remember.

[37:44] >> I actually took

[37:47] my lunch hours, four of them, and sat

[37:50] across from the door to watch cuz I

[37:52] wanted to know if I was being a jerk by

[37:54] saying, "Geez, you really shouldn't lock

[37:56] the door for an hour every Monday in the

[37:58] middle of the day."

[38:00] So in the notes that I took while I was

[38:02] eating my sandwich in my car,

[38:04] there were about 10 people within that

[38:06] hour for each of the four times that I

[38:09] sat there. So over those four hours,

[38:12] there were 40 people that could not get

[38:15] into the town office. So I wasn't being

[38:17] the weenie.

[38:19] I just wanted to make sure that by me

[38:22] bringing it up in public, you know, the

[38:24] town office is there for the people to

[38:26] do business.

[38:28] If they're public servants, I don't know

[38:30] if that's the politically correct term

[38:31] these days, but it's there for the

[38:33] residents and the taxpayers and the

[38:35] people to do business. And

[38:37] I for one, I that's when I take my lunch

[38:40] and I I go there often and sometimes I

[38:42] just forget and I'm like,

[38:44] >> Yeah.

[38:44] >> Where's lunch?

[38:45] >> Yeah.

[38:46] >> It's really it's not serving any people

[38:48] in the town to do that. So,

[38:51] you know, I get I get the whole staff

[38:53] meeting thing, but it really should be

[38:56] done first thing in the morning and

[38:57] everybody's right there. If you have an

[38:59] issue, walk to somebody's desk. Go see

[39:01] what they need, you know?

[39:03] >> you.

[39:03] >> Don't lock the door in the middle of the

[39:04] day.

[39:05] >> Thank you. Yes.

[39:07] >> I think why back when it was changed and

[39:10] if you correct me if I'm wrong, it was

[39:12] if we get there at 7:00,

[39:14] most people do clock in till 7:30, so we

[39:17] were having to pay a half hour overtime.

[39:20] So, that's where I think it was starting

[39:22] to get into the actual work day and

[39:25] where better was kind of the midday when

[39:27] everybody was at lunch. We could take it

[39:29] a little bit before lunch and then it

[39:31] wasn't going to interfere too much. And

[39:34] I think that's why it was basically

[39:36] moved to the later time.

[39:38] >> Thank you.

[39:40] Anybody else have any Yes.

[39:42] >> I I can say that the one thing that I

[39:44] have had um

[39:46] for feedback from other office employees

[39:49] would be like Monday really um

[39:52] maybe isn't the best day. Uh just

[39:54] thinking of like our finance officer

[39:55] who's trying to do payroll and the

[39:57] warrant. Um

[39:59] it's kind of a crunch day and a busy

[40:00] day.

[40:02] So,

[40:03] maybe change the day of the week to

[40:06] for our staff meeting.

[40:09] >> What are your thoughts? Do you want to

[40:10] vote on this or do you want us to just

[40:11] wait and see how it resolves itself once

[40:14] we receive

[40:15] >> direction.

[40:17] >> Okay.

[40:18] Do you want to make a motion?

[40:20] >> I make a [clears throat] motion that we

[40:21] do away with these these Monday meetings

[40:23] until at least until we have a permanent

[40:25] town manager name.

[40:28] >> Second.

[40:29] >> All in favor?

[40:31] >> Any discussion?

[40:32] I'm sorry.

[40:36] Okay. All in favor?

[40:40] So moved.

[40:41] Thank you, guys.

[40:42] >> Thank you.

[40:44] >> Yes.

[40:45] >> All.

[40:46] Quick comment. Um

[40:49] I've done some research and I've brought

[40:51] this up before about the price of my

[40:53] double my double wide the value of it

[40:55] increasing.

[40:56] >> Yeah.

[40:56] >> It doubled.

[40:58] And doing some research, I found out if

[41:01] I put wheels beside of my

[41:03] double wide,

[41:04] it is now camper.

[41:06] >> Oh.

[41:07] >> And the money and there's less taxes on

[41:09] it.

[41:09] >> If you put wheels on under

[41:11] >> If I put wheels on it, yeah. It is now

[41:12] considered a mobile home or a camper.

[41:14] >> Hm.

[41:15] >> Now, in this research, I found out these

[41:19] people are living in their campers

[41:21] on private land.

[41:24] Who's collecting tax on the dwellings?

[41:26] Anybody in code enforcement? Anybody

[41:28] going around and saying, "Hey, this is a

[41:30] home."

[41:32] You're not getting excise tax on this.

[41:35] You're not getting property tax on it

[41:36] because it's temporary.

[41:40] There's a bunch of them around here.

[41:42] I can count five on the way here every

[41:43] day.

[41:45] That might want to be that's an extra

[41:47] stream of income.

[41:48] We're talking about rent

[41:50] whatever rent moratorium. These people

[41:53] ain't paying nothing.

[41:54] >> True.

[41:56] >> I mean, like I said, if I put

[41:58] tires next to my double wide, it is now

[42:00] mobile.

[42:02] >> Well, then.

[42:03] >> So, I'm just throwing that out there

[42:05] that who's actually actually checking

[42:07] this stuff?

[42:08] >> Yeah.

[42:08] >> That goes back towards your homes and

[42:09] campers, too.

[42:10] >> Yeah, I'm going to look into that as

[42:12] well.

[42:12] >> night. And that one

[42:15] >> I'll ask Shirley if she's ever run into

[42:17] this, too.

[42:19] >> Who? You can ask who?

[42:20] >> It's kind of always been a thing that

[42:22] you know that

[42:23] if they have a camper, you can go out,

[42:26] but your tax assessor is the one that

[42:27] would have to go out and assess it. Do

[42:29] you always know where people are that

[42:32] are actually living in those campers?

[42:34] Not necessarily.

[42:36] Um

[42:37] if they already if they register it to

[42:39] go on the road, then they have paid

[42:41] excise tax, so therefore they don't pay

[42:43] property tax on them.

[42:45] So

[42:46] >> What if it's been there four or five

[42:47] years?

[42:49] >> Right, and we Right, exactly, but I'm

[42:51] just saying it's hard for the tax assessor doesn't necessarily get

[42:56] notification that there's campers here.

[42:59] You know what I mean? Because it's

[43:01] What's that?

[43:02] >> We have a code enforcement officer that

[43:03] rides around, don't we?

[43:05] >> Yeah, but

[43:06] >> Because see at the right now there's a

[43:07] law being changed on the books

[43:10] that campers will be charged by the

[43:11] foot,

[43:13] not by the value.

[43:16] So that's going to change the whole ball

[43:18] of wax if someone goes that route.

[43:19] >> Mhm.

[43:21] >> Interesting.

[43:22] >> I mean, you can bring it up to Shirley

[43:24] and just see what she has for it. I

[43:25] mean, I don't know if it's happened in

[43:27] other towns.

[43:28] She It's usually it's a tax I mean, it's

[43:30] kind of a tax assessor thing because

[43:32] it's

[43:34] I know.

[43:35] But

[43:36] I don't know. I don't know what her

[43:38] answer will be, but like if they don't register it, then

[43:41] >> [clears throat]

[43:42] >> they don't pay excise taxes. They are

[43:44] supposed to pay property tax, but it's

[43:46] just one of those that kind of get

[43:48] missed, I mean.

[43:49] >> I'd say check with Shirley.

[43:51] >> Yeah.

[43:52] >> Check with Check with her and just bring

[43:53] it back for the next meeting.

[43:55] We can discuss it further then.

[43:56] >> Thank you.

[43:57] Thank you for bringing it up.

[44:00] Anything else? Yes, ma'am.

[44:02] >> It's a perfect segue into

[44:03] >> I mean, your name, please?

[44:04] >> Excuse me.

[44:05] >> Name, please?

[44:05] >> Sue.

[44:07] hi Sue.

[44:07] >> Um

[44:09] so

[44:11] somebody needs to start looking for

[44:12] extra streams of income to come in other

[44:14] than just putting all the tax burden on

[44:15] the on the people.

[44:17] Because I'm understanding everybody

[44:18] wants more money.

[44:20] to pay things and more money

[44:23] in your paycheck.

[44:26] So do I, but I don't have

[44:28] So you guys need to find somebody to

[44:31] come up with some ideas of how to raise

[44:33] some more money. Get more people in the

[44:34] town. That drug place they got coming is

[44:36] awesome start, but

[44:38] I'm going to bring a lot of people to

[44:39] town. They're spending money till

[44:41] they're not I've heard out of the state,

[44:42] so

[44:44] there needs to be something happen to

[44:46] bring more money to the towns that's not

[44:49] being put off on the taxpayers that have

[44:51] to cover. Enough is enough.

[44:56] >> Okay.

[44:57] Thank you.

[44:58] >> And other than that, is there a list of

[45:01] the what we're voting on in June?

[45:03] >> Yeah.

[45:04] >> I am working on getting the ballot, so

[45:06] we we outsource for ESS.

[45:08] >> Is there a timeline as to when that's

[45:10] going to be available so that I can

[45:12] >> Right now I'm proofing what the state

[45:14] gave to me um and what ESS ESS and S

[45:18] election systems and software they gave

[45:20] to me, but the state I don't get much

[45:22] control of, so I don't know exactly when

[45:24] I'll have anything final to put out for

[45:26] a draft ballot, but as for local, I can

[45:29] tell you that I can provide you like a

[45:30] list of names of who's going to be on

[45:32] the ballot if you'd like. Um

[45:34] >> I want to know I want to know what we're

[45:36] voting on that's going to cost more

[45:37] money like the school or the

[45:39] >> about it. Yeah, she wants to learn.

[45:40] Yeah.

[45:40] >> A lot of that stuff is what I need

[45:42] what's going to cost more money and why

[45:44] is it feasible? It's not mandated to

[45:46] have a public library in the town. Seems

[45:49] like that's costing us a lot of money

[45:50] cuz it's all decrepit and

[45:52] maybe we should think about not having

[45:53] public library anymore.

[45:56] >> So we are going to have our budget

[45:57] meeting for the town budget on May 4th.

[46:00] Um and this week I'll be working on

[46:02] getting um as much information out as I

[46:05] can. I can tell you right now that we're

[46:07] reviewing the budget uh line by line uh

[46:11] to make sure that we can say, "Okay,

[46:13] this is what each expense is for. Uh

[46:15] this is why it has decreased or

[46:17] increased." So, when it goes to the

[46:18] budget advisory committee, um that

[46:21] discussion will be held um and the

[46:22] public is welcome in on to those

[46:25] meetings to be able to discuss it before

[46:28] um it ends up at town meeting.

[46:32] » Okay.

[46:33] >> One more comment.

[46:34] >> Yes.

[46:35] >> It's an at-will work state. If

[46:36] somebody's not happy with the money they're making, there's other

[46:40] people that would like to have that job.

[46:41] So, keep that in mind when you have

[46:43] great benefits, pays for your insurance.

[46:46] Most don't Most jobs don't have that

[46:47] kind of insurance anymore. You should

[46:49] think about decreasing that to

[46:51] lose

[46:52] lower some

[46:53] costs for the state for this for this

[46:55] town.

[46:57] I mean, there's not many people I don't

[46:59] know if anybody in here has the kind of

[47:00] benefits that the state people have or

[47:02] the town people have.

[47:04] Hardly anybody.

[47:06] That should be looked at.

[47:08] I'm just If you already got it good,

[47:10] quit whining. That's all I'm going to

[47:11] say.

[47:12] >> Thank you very much. Anybody else? Okay.

[47:15] I'm going to um move for a motion to

[47:19] enter executive session. Oh, I'm sorry.

[47:22] Do you guys have concerns? John.

[47:27] >> I'm good. You good?

[47:28] >> I'm good.

[47:29] >> Me too.

[47:30] >> Me Me five. So.

[47:32] >> Thank you all for coming.

[47:34] I'm sorry.

[47:35] >> I just wanted to say something.

[47:36] >> Yes.

[47:37] >> Um I applied for a grant. I don't feel

[47:40] like I'm whining, but yeah, I am.

[47:44] I applied for a grant to try to

[47:46] uh defray some of the capital money that

[47:49] we needed to ask for to transport

[47:52] Saying and listening to you both if you

[47:53] would like to.

[47:55] And um I did win $5,000 for that. I've

[47:58] already talked to Cheyenne about that so

[48:00] we can take $5,000 off of the capital

[48:02] last.

[48:05] $5,000. Cheyenne won $15,000 last time.

[48:09] In the last 20 years I've garnered

[48:11] $151,000

[48:13] in grant money.

[48:15] So I'm doing my part

[48:18] to pay for that library.

[48:21] Because people do use it. Not everybody

[48:23] uses every service.

[48:25] But people do use it.

[48:27] If you have any questions, come to the

[48:29] library.

[48:30] I will show you my numbers. Show you the

[48:32] program.

[48:34] Mike Tyke was at our Heroes and Helpers

[48:35] event so was Donnie. There was 35 kids,

[48:38] 25 adults. That may not seem like a lot

[48:41] but for the people who were there, they

[48:43] felt that that program had value.

[48:46] So I just wanted to say to everyone

[48:50] in the meeting in this meeting

[48:52] that I feel the library does have value.

[48:56] I feel that there are a lot of things

[48:57] that we pay for that we don't use.

[49:00] There's a lot of

[49:01] country roads that I never drive on

[49:04] and I still say pave them.

[49:07] Plow them.

[49:09] Keep the street lights on. I never had a

[49:11] kid in school.

[49:13] Support the public schools. Is there a

[49:15] room to cut in public schools? I do

[49:17] believe that.

[49:19] I also know that at least 65% of every

[49:22] dollar goes through the schools.

[49:25] And then another small percentage goes

[49:27] to the county

[49:28] and then the town gets what's left.

[49:31] And if you think that what we're asking

[49:33] for is everything under the sun, what

[49:36] we're bringing to the budget and

[49:38] advisory board on May 4th

[49:42] is a pared down version

[49:45] of what we think we can live with

[49:49] based on the understanding that we live

[49:51] in this town too.

[49:53] We understand that the taxes are going

[49:55] up and I agree too

[49:57] that we need industry. We're not a mill

[49:59] town anymore.

[50:01] So, thank you for listening to me

[50:04] and I look forward to working with you

[50:06] and if you need any

[50:08] other information, please come to me and

[50:10] I will do what I can to get you that

[50:12] information.

[50:13] >> Thank you.

[50:14] very much.

[50:15] >> Real quick.

[50:16] >> Uh we're just to to add to that, yeah,

[50:18] if we're going to cut budgets, we're

[50:19] going to cut the school budget, not the

[50:20] library budget. It might be a small

[50:22] thing to cut there, but

[50:23] >> Yeah, thank you.

[50:24] >> cut millions from the school budget.

[50:26] >> Yeah, thank you.

[50:26] >> Um

[50:27] >> wasted money.

[50:27] >> I've got another question.

[50:30] >> I have just one question.

[50:32] >> You're going to make it quick cuz we're

[50:33] going into executive session.

[50:35] >> I will go back to that meeting and they

[50:36] said it's 90% cash and 10%

[50:39] There is a lot of people waiting to do a

[50:40] lot of cash.

[50:42] She said we're going to go this way, this way. It don't matter

[50:45] what's put in there. It's totally wrong.

[50:48] Uh so

[50:49] what That's going to go this way, this way.

[50:52] Say what? You have a great

[50:54] That's all.

[50:58] What more possible? That's all the work.

[51:01] Do you think it can be done for less?

[51:17] Yeah, I hear you.

[51:20] Yeah, but

[51:22] especially for the uh We were talking

[51:25] about

[51:27] I can see such a w m a.

[51:30] That's all right. I agree with that. You

[51:32] know, we agree about Yeah, it got shot

[51:34] out.

[51:36] All right, guys. Thanks, Dan.

[51:37] >> Thank you very much.

[51:38] >> All right, I'm going to make a motion to

[51:39] go into executive session.

[51:40] >> Okay.

[51:41] >> Second.

[51:42] >> All in favor?

[51:43] >> I.

[51:44] >> Okay, we're in executive session,

[51:45] everyone.

[51:47] >> Let us not forget

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