[0:03] a big audience tonight.

[0:07] » Should have brought popcorn.

[0:09] >> That's Shel's job.

[0:11] >> Got some.

[0:12] >> That's why she's she's running late.

[0:16] >> Popping

[0:18] street people here.

[0:24] » Start without her.

[0:26] >> She'll show up. She was late.

[0:28] >> Well, she she said she didn't need a

[0:30] packet, so I took it. Going to show up.

[0:36] » You all set, Marlene?

[0:37] >> I'm set.

[0:38] >> All set, kids.

[0:39] >> Yep.

[0:41] >> All set.

[0:42] >> Okay. It is 5:30. Uh, welcome to the

[0:46] city of Manasty Planning Commission for

[0:48] September 3rd, 2026. Please rise for a

[0:51] pledge.

[0:54] I pledge algiance to the flag of the

[0:57] United States of America and to the

[0:59] republic for which it stands. One nation

[1:02] under God, indivisible with liberty and

[1:04] justice for all.

[1:06] >> Thank you.

[1:09] >> Please take role.

[1:11] >> Commissioner

[1:13] >> here.

[1:13] >> Commissioner Zansky

[1:14] >> here.

[1:15] >> Commissioner Winer

[1:16] >> here.

[1:17] >> Commissioner McBride

[1:18] >> here.

[1:19] >> And Chair Whit

[1:20] >> here.

[1:22] Thank you. Approval of agenda. At this

[1:24] time, the planning commission can take

[1:26] action to approve the September 3rd,

[1:28] 2026 agenda.

[1:30] >> Is there a motion?

[1:31] >> I'll make that motion.

[1:32] >> Motion by Mick. Second.

[1:33] >> Second

[1:34] >> by Bob. Discussion. None. Please take

[1:37] role.

[1:37] >> Commissioner Sinski.

[1:38] >> Yes.

[1:39] >> Commissioner Zansky.

[1:40] >> Yes.

[1:41] >> Commissioner Winer.

[1:42] >> Yes.

[1:42] >> Commissioner McBride.

[1:44] >> Yes.

[1:44] >> And Chair Will.

[1:46] >> Yes. Thank you. Conflicts of interest.

[1:49] Uh is there any uh commissioner with any

[1:51] type of conflict in tonight's agenda?

[1:53] Please speak up.

[1:54] >> Not for me.

[1:55] >> None. Okay.

[1:59] Approval of minutes. At this time, the

[2:00] chair will ask motion to approve the

[2:02] meeting minutes from August 6th, 2026.

[2:06] Motion.

[2:06] >> I'll make that motion.

[2:07] >> Motion by Marlene. Second.

[2:10] >> Second

[2:10] >> by Bob. Discussion. None. Please take or

[2:14] please take role. I'm sorry.

[2:17] >> Commissioner Stinski. Yes.

[2:18] >> Commissioner Zansky.

[2:20] >> Yes.

[2:20] >> Commissioner Winer.

[2:21] >> Yes.

[2:21] >> Commissioner McBride.

[2:23] >> May. Yes.

[2:24] >> Commissioner Wiff.

[2:25] >> Yes. Thank you. Correspondence has been

[2:28] shared with the planning commission and

[2:30] will not be read aloud tonight. And then

[2:33] the presentation

[2:35] myself and Maddie on the upcoming

[2:38] presentation to city council on the

[2:41] 15th.

[2:43] You want me to get up there or do you

[2:45] want me to just sit? M. whichever you

[2:47] prefer. I have a give this to you. You

[2:51] can sit if you want.

[2:56] » And it's a down arrow, right?

[2:57] >> Yeah.

[2:58] >> Okay. I always get those mixed up.

[3:01] >> Cuz each one's different.

[3:04] >> Well, this is uh like I said, this is

[3:06] the presentation for um city council on

[3:09] the 15th uh September 15th coming up. My

[3:13] name is Mark Whitliff and we will move

[3:15] along. uh planning commission. The

[3:17] purpose of the planning commission is to

[3:18] prepare and adopt physical plans for the

[3:21] city of Manaste, review development

[3:23] proposals, both private, public, and

[3:26] it's

[3:30] and is set forth in the Michigan zoning

[3:32] enabling act. Meetings are the first

[3:35] Thursday of the month at 5:30. Meetings

[3:38] are open to the public and recorded and

[3:40] shared afterwards. questions or comments

[3:43] for the commission should be directed to

[3:45] the planning and zoning administrator.

[3:50] Um, run down the roster. Um, we had this

[3:54] year Roger Yoder, 42 years with

[3:57] planning, uh, passed away in

[4:01] June.

[4:03] Um, we miss him dearly. He was a a man

[4:07] of many talents. He was a friend and a

[4:10] mentor to us. Um and on the 15th uh the

[4:13] city will be honoring him with a plaque

[4:15] to his uh wife and children. Um on the

[4:21] meeting, our first meeting after Roger's

[4:23] passing in July, uh his wife Kathy took

[4:27] Roger's seat and we presented uh Ro

[4:31] Kathy with Roger's name plane plate,

[4:35] excuse me. Um

[4:38] and she was very appreciative of that.

[4:40] So, um, we miss him.

[4:44] Moving along, Marlene McBride of 16

[4:47] years on the planning. Michael Shansky,

[4:49] eight years. Pam Winer, seven. Shelley

[4:52] Roberto, six. Bob Slovenky, our vice

[4:55] chair, 10 years. And myself, 16 years.

[4:59] We um, Marlene and I are the old-timers

[5:02] now.

[5:02] >> Yeah,

[5:03] >> we won't catch Roger, but you know,

[5:05] we'll give it hell. So, uh, master plan,

[5:10] uh, city planning commission guides a

[5:12] master plan by helping establish

[5:14] community long-term vision, ensuring the

[5:17] plan reflects, uh, local priorities and

[5:20] needs. Uh, site plan review committee,

[5:23] which Pam and Bob are on,

[5:27] um, and myself didn't know that.

[5:31] >> I send them to you.

[5:33] I just thought you wanted to send those

[5:35] to me for the heck of it.

[5:36] >> Oh, well, it's three of you. So, when

[5:38] you only appointed two, I figured,

[5:40] >> okay,

[5:40] >> you assumed yourself.

[5:41] >> You want my comments now?

[5:43] >> I just go on on these guys. So, but

[5:46] getting back to it. Sorry. Planning

[5:48] Commission assist in the detailed review

[5:50] of the site plans for new developments,

[5:53] both commercial and industrial. Zoning

[5:56] amendments. Planning Commission reviews

[5:58] and recommends zoning amendments to

[6:00] ensure the city's zoning aligns with the

[6:02] master plan and community needs.

[6:05] Special use permits. Planning commission

[6:08] provides an opportunity for public

[6:10] input. Evaluates special use permits to

[6:12] ensure proposed uses are comparable in

[6:17] with surrounding neighborhoods while

[6:19] establishing conditions to promote

[6:22] appropriate development.

[6:25] And after this, if anybody has any

[6:26] questions, Maddie can answer them.

[6:31] Um, this year we completed the 2025 uh

[6:35] master plan. Uh, we worked with Williams

[6:37] and Works and staff to create uh the

[6:40] master plan and that went out to

[6:43] uh many different entities within the uh

[6:46] county.

[6:50] Projects this year that we've worked on.

[6:52] 313 Maple, the Corner Vic, Jackson

[6:56] Street, Tiny Homes, a PUD, 555 First

[6:59] Street Youth Armory Project, Conditional

[7:02] Reszone,

[7:03] um economy, efficient housing overlay,

[7:06] child care zoning amendments.

[7:09] upcoming uh items that we will be

[7:12] working on. 427 River Street or Water

[7:14] Street, multiuse uh dwelling, 170 West

[7:20] Coches Drive, mixed use, mixed use and

[7:23] light industrial amendment and sign

[7:26] enforcement.

[7:27] My favorite.

[7:31] And let's see, training education. Each

[7:34] member of the planning commission goes

[7:35] through um the uh citizen planner

[7:40] series. Uh it's a six-h hour or as many

[7:43] credits as they can get uh per year. Um

[7:46] and I we all do that every year. So I

[7:50] think we're all up to date, Bob. Right.

[7:53] >> Yeah.

[7:53] >> Okay.

[7:55] So

[7:55] >> I know

[7:59] I don't have to go any further than

[8:00] that, do I? Um, if you don't want to

[8:02] answer any questions.

[8:04] >> No, is that it?

[8:05] >> Thank you. Is anybody have any

[8:06] questions?

[8:09] >> None.

[8:09] >> Okay.

[8:10] >> And then Mark and I will do ours on the

[8:13] same day so I can breeze through this

[8:14] pretty quick. I will be doing the update

[8:17] for planning and zoning or the community

[8:20] development department as a whole. um

[8:23] consisting of Jerry, our boss, community

[8:26] development director, myself, planning

[8:28] and zoning administrator, and Jackie,

[8:30] our administrative assistant. We handle

[8:33] rentals, short and long-term, land use

[8:35] permits, sign permits, driveway permits,

[8:38] building permits, trade permits,

[8:40] business registration, enforcement, and

[8:43] then between Jerry, Jackie, and I, we

[8:46] manage the historic district, planning

[8:48] commission, NRBC, and ZBA boards and

[8:51] serve as the liaison for those.

[8:56] Little rundown of comparison 2025 to

[9:00] 2026 permits.

[9:02] Planning and zoning, we have 60 permits

[9:05] so far for the year. We had 55 total in

[9:08] 2025. Building, we're at 81 for the year

[9:11] with 108 last year. Historic district,

[9:14] 12 for the year with 15 last year.

[9:17] Business registrations, we had 15 this

[9:20] year and 28 last year. I think Heather

[9:22] uh was kind of knocking doors down to

[9:25] get those last year. Long-term rentals,

[9:27] this was also one that we saw some

[9:30] change with. We have 140 this year and

[9:32] 59 last year. That is because we are

[9:36] requiring all rentals to reregister now

[9:39] when they get an inspection. So they

[9:41] update their contact information,

[9:43] provide updated insurance, and therefore

[9:46] 59 might have been new, but there were

[9:49] probably closer to 150 that were

[9:51] inspected that year. Um, and then

[9:53] short-term rentals, we're at 165

[9:56] certificates, which is technically the

[9:58] cap, but that is split between the capex

[10:01] exempt area and the total area. So, I

[10:04] think we're at about 100 in the cap. So,

[10:08] 65 remaining.

[10:12] Oops.

[10:14] Um, I'm not going to go over this again,

[10:16] but this was also a big part of what our

[10:18] department worked on this year. Um when

[10:20] I started back in October, we had just

[10:23] received the draft of this master plan

[10:25] and so we worked through um the editing

[10:28] phase which we got quite a few extensive

[10:31] edits and worked with William and Works

[10:33] on updating those and then took it

[10:35] through adoption and the public review

[10:38] period.

[10:41] Another little breakdown of the three

[10:42] zoning amendments that we had this year.

[10:45] The first being economy efficient

[10:46] housing. Um, I've actually gotten quite

[10:50] a few phone calls. I believe there are a

[10:52] couple lots on the market that would

[10:55] qualify for this, whether they have an

[10:57] existing house that people would be

[10:59] looking at taking down due to um,

[11:03] existing conditions or there's one I

[11:05] know that just has a garage on it that

[11:08] has just been a non-conforming lot and

[11:10] is up for sale. So, couple of eligible

[11:12] lots. George, who is here, just got the

[11:15] permits for the house off Kaziasco at

[11:18] the old land bank property. Um, so

[11:21] that's exciting and that will be the

[11:23] first economy efficient house child care

[11:26] amendments. Um, I believe based on what

[11:29] the community foundation shared, we were

[11:31] I think she said the first community to

[11:34] officially get through that process and

[11:36] adopt those. So that's good. that I

[11:38] think it's a good um leeway for the rest

[11:41] of the county setting a good example and

[11:43] I've had a couple people reach out about

[11:45] that as well. And then tonight's agenda

[11:49] item is mixed use in the light

[11:50] industrial district which we've talked

[11:52] about a couple times.

[11:55] Update on the chill grant. We are

[11:57] reaching our end of September official

[12:00] final deadline. Our total costs for

[12:04] project work is going to be 46,749.

[12:09] We were allocated 450,000.

[12:13] Um,

[12:15] actually, I think it's slightly above

[12:16] that. I could be wrong, but ultimately

[12:19] where we're at is each house was offered

[12:21] the full 25,000, which would have equal

[12:23] 450,000. So, we have 18 homes. We are

[12:27] completely done with 14 of those 18.

[12:30] Some of the projects include roof

[12:32] sighting, um, porch repairs, walk-in

[12:35] showers, windows, new furnaces and water

[12:38] heaters, sopet and fascia replacement

[12:41] and electric work. Our deadline is the

[12:44] end of September for all projects to be

[12:47] complete and paid for. And then we'll

[12:49] have an additional month to do all of

[12:50] the admin work. This will also include a

[12:53] public hearing at a city council meeting

[12:56] where we'll do a more indepth review of

[12:59] the chill grant and some before and

[13:01] after pictures um based on you know

[13:04] homeowners being comfortable. Here's

[13:06] some after pictures of windows. We did

[13:09] some basement floor and then um a new

[13:12] walk-in shower.

[13:14] As far as upcoming projects go, again on

[13:17] the agenda tonight we have the amendment

[13:18] for the industrial parks. I believe

[13:21] there's also some interest and maybe

[13:23] some amendments over in the general

[13:25] industrial district. We'll likely be up

[13:28] for discussion at some point in the

[13:30] upcoming year. Jerry and I are being

[13:34] brought up to speed on the walkability

[13:37] program the city is working on with safe

[13:39] routes to school.

[13:41] Um they are pretty far into that. So

[13:43] hopefully getting some accessible

[13:46] sidewalks along Maple. Um maybe some

[13:50] bike opportunities whether it's a bike

[13:52] lane or sheros. Um some better

[13:55] crosswalks where they marked that kids

[13:58] cross to get to school. They did a a

[14:00] school audit for that. Um chill grant

[14:02] round two. We once we wrap this up will

[14:06] hopefully be applying for another round

[14:09] um based on communication with Julie

[14:11] who's our liaison with MISTA. She has

[14:15] hinted at potentially some vacant rental

[14:18] programs coming up in the winter cycle

[14:22] which would be eligible for our downtown

[14:24] district. So some of those rentals above

[14:27] the commercial space could be eligible

[14:29] for that if that's ultimately what we

[14:32] end up pursuing. And then sort of paired

[14:34] with that vacant commercial space, um

[14:37] Jerry and I have met with the ordinance

[14:40] review committee and some

[14:42] recommendations from the DDA of some

[14:45] sort of approach to managing vacant

[14:49] buildings downtown or within the rest of

[14:51] the city, whether that be some sort of

[14:54] ordinance amendment or Jerry and I and

[14:57] working with the DDA to maintain a list

[15:00] and um track communication and sort of

[15:03] make a long-term plan there. So, that's

[15:06] definitely up for further conversations

[15:08] in this upcoming year. And that's all I

[15:11] got.

[15:13] >> Thank you.

[15:17] » Okay, moving along. Public hearing

[15:20] Z26-03

[15:22] mixed Use amendment in the light

[15:24] industrial.

[15:25] >> Um, you've got a copy of what this would

[15:28] look like in your packet. Um, same with

[15:31] at the last meeting. It's the exact same

[15:33] language. This would allow for mixed use

[15:36] as a special use in the light industrial

[15:38] district. Um, it would still require

[15:41] going to a public hearing and neighbors

[15:43] be notified, but I think it aligns with

[15:45] what the master plan describes that

[15:48] district as, which is sort of an

[15:50] innovative business mixed use with some

[15:53] industrial still remaining.

[15:56] I mimicked the language for other

[16:00] commercial districts as far as minimum

[16:04] living area and I removed the maximum

[16:08] building size because I think that sort

[16:10] of inhibits some of these developments

[16:13] and also a lot of those special uses

[16:15] that are already listed there I don't

[16:17] really think um need a max a minimum

[16:21] building eyes.

[16:26] » Okay.

[16:29] Any comments?

[16:31] >> No.

[16:32] >> Any anything, Arlene?

[16:35] No. Okay.

[16:38] Um, any comments from the public

[16:41] on this?

[16:43] Nothing. Okay.

[16:46] So 5:46 we'll close that public hearing

[16:50] and then go to the open public hearing

[16:52] at 5:46

[16:56] for the 427 Water Street uh mixeduse uh

[17:00] dwelling

[17:01] >> multi-unit dwelling

[17:02] >> multi excuse me multi multi-unit

[17:05] dwelling. If the applicant could please

[17:07] come up to the podium.

[17:20] » So if you could run through what we have

[17:22] everything here, but if you could run

[17:24] through it, please.

[17:25] >> Sure. As far as uh the redevelopment of

[17:27] the building or

[17:28] >> Yes, sir.

[17:29] >> Sure. So, currently it's a vacant

[17:31] building. I purchased uh Kitty Corner

[17:33] here. Um, the intention is to

[17:35] rehabilitate it back into a usable

[17:38] building. Four units, two two-bedroom

[17:40] units and two one-bedroom units.

[17:46] Okay.

[17:47] Um,

[17:52] see,

[17:55] >> do you have a time frame when you want

[17:56] to start?

[17:58] >> I mean, once you guys approve me?

[18:01] >> Well, yeah, that always helps. Uh

[18:04] I guess uh right now I am already

[18:07] getting coding. So I'm waiting on the

[18:08] mason. I don't know if he can start this

[18:10] fall or early spring to do the masonary

[18:13] repairs. Um I already have painter lined

[18:16] up to do the exterior. And then I

[18:19] already talked to Jerry. I believe I can

[18:20] start demo any time now. The interior uh

[18:25] the exterior has to go through historic.

[18:28] going over some paint colors with them

[18:30] and then u I guess once that's approved

[18:32] I think I'll be good to move forward

[18:35] >> in the interior it's an older building

[18:38] of course it's been I think the

[18:40] telephone company years ago

[18:43] >> um

[18:44] lead paint that that allated in there or

[18:48] >> so there was asbestous there was a

[18:51] report done by the previous owner of the

[18:53] building and all the

[18:56] I'm going going to mess this term up.

[18:58] Anyway, the bad asbestous was all

[19:00] removed already and

[19:01] >> abdated or removed.

[19:03] >> Yeah. So, that was previous to my

[19:04] ownership. Lead paint, I don't know if

[19:07] it was tested for that. I'm unaware. Um

[19:10] the original windows are going to stay.

[19:12] So, we're not going to because they're

[19:14] historic, right? So, it's just going to

[19:15] be a repair of the windows.

[19:19] >> Okay.

[19:20] Has there been any because that

[19:22] building's a little older, any water

[19:24] intrusion?

[19:26] It looks like there was Yeah. Yep. Uh it

[19:29] looks like more around the foundation

[19:30] there was some water intrusion. Yeah.

[19:33] The mason's supposed to take care of

[19:34] that.

[19:34] >> Okay.

[19:35] >> In his scope of work.

[19:37] >> I mean it's a it's a great plan. I

[19:39] >> Yeah, I know. Um

[19:40] >> for the area

[19:41] >> part of it is required for fire

[19:45] suppression will be part of the project

[19:46] required.

[19:48] >> Um and it'll be complete interior rehab.

[19:51] >> So gutted. I think you guys should have

[19:54] a copy of the plan.

[19:54] >> Yes.

[19:55] >> Yeah. gutted and completely gutted and

[19:57] new interior walls. Any supporting

[19:59] structural would stay. Um, but aside

[20:01] from it, structural,

[20:05] >> you know, we've been looking at trying

[20:07] to get that building rehabilitated since

[20:09] I've been on the the commission, and

[20:12] this looks like the most doable plan

[20:15] that I've seen.

[20:16] >> Thank you.

[20:17] >> I mean, I I like the the floor plans. I

[20:19] think uh I think they're very doable. U

[20:22] going to be a lot of work, though. Yeah.

[20:24] >> Not going to be cheap, I'm sure.

[20:26] >> For sure. Yeah.

[20:27] >> Um, one of the things I the only

[20:30] question I have if I can ask is what

[20:31] about parking? What's the plan?

[20:33] >> So, that's something I've already talked

[20:34] to Jerry about. Um,

[20:37] I want to say extensively, but we've had

[20:39] a few discussions about it. Um, the lot

[20:42] to the east there, I own that as well.

[20:44] That was part of the when I bought the

[20:46] building, the lot as well. Um, I'm

[20:49] concerned about the cost to create that

[20:51] into parking. So right now I have that's

[20:54] not part of the plan as of today. So

[20:58] street parking is the option right now.

[21:00] The second option is uh talking to I

[21:02] think Z carts and maybe see if I can get

[21:05] some I mean uh Jerry suggested I talk to

[21:09] the owner of that and see if I could um

[21:10] possibly set up a lease for a few

[21:12] parking spaces to try and alleviate road

[21:14] parking. So but I haven't met him or

[21:18] talked to him yet.

[21:22] Um, but as of right now, road parking,

[21:24] um, the future plan, uh, after maybe

[21:26] construction, I can see how this goes.

[21:28] Um, convert that lot into parking that's associated.

[21:31] >> So, I'm just curious, would it be what's

[21:35] the is the issue the retaining wall that

[21:37] you would be required or

[21:39] >> well,

[21:40] >> just the general excavation of that?

[21:42] >> Yeah, the general excavation. Yes,

[21:44] there'd be retention. I'd have to do

[21:45] retention along the back for sure

[21:47] because of the height difference. And

[21:49] then actually probably along the east

[21:50] side as well where those cedar trees

[21:52] are. Um I'd probably leave those and

[21:54] just put retention there. So I'm

[21:56] actually meeting an excavator tomorrow

[21:57] to discuss that option as well. He was

[22:00] supposed to get me pricing already and I

[22:02] have not received that yet. So

[22:03] >> what what would the how many spaces do

[22:06] you think you would get? What's the

[22:08] >> I I think I could get eight spaces in

[22:10] there to be honest. Um maybe even 10,

[22:12] but I haven't physically measured it.

[22:15] Um

[22:16] >> I thought that area would be nice for in my own mind anyway nice courtyard for

[22:20] your tenants.

[22:21] >> Yeah.

[22:22] >> Just kick back and have a nice

[22:24] >> green space.

[22:25] >> Yeah.

[22:25] >> Um but you know parking of course

[22:27] >> parking is always

[22:28] >> Yeah. Yeah. Jerry informed me that

[22:30] parking was a premium

[22:32] >> that would be uh discussed. So

[22:34] >> yeah.

[22:35] >> So I told him it's in the plans but um

[22:37] the cost to construct uh it the numbers

[22:41] have to make sense.

[22:43] So,

[22:44] >> it'd be nice to get that going. Now, is

[22:47] the project funded, fully funded now?

[22:50] >> Oh, I mean, I'm personally funding it,

[22:52] so yeah.

[22:52] >> Okay.

[22:53] >> Right.

[22:55] >> Yeah.

[22:56] >> No, it's it's it's needed. Uh nice

[22:59] housing. It's

[23:01] >> Yeah.

[23:01] >> The way you have it laid out, it's it's

[23:03] very nice.

[23:04] >> Yeah. The architect did a great job on

[23:05] the on the prints. So,

[23:08] >> so my no my compliments anyway, but I I

[23:13] Bob and I are on the site plan review. I

[23:16] was very impressed with the way you've

[23:17] got the apartments laid out.

[23:19] >> My only concern was the funding. Sure it

[23:23] gets the project gets finished. But I

[23:25] think it's a good idea and that's

[23:26] definitely

[23:26] >> Yeah. The only thing I had was the

[23:28] parking issue and I forwarded that to

[23:29] Maddie. My concern on that and she

[23:32] answered my questions on that and your

[23:33] answer is more than

[23:35] >> Yeah,

[23:36] >> that's just a my standpoint and I like

[23:39] what Mark was talking if you find some other way for some

[23:43] long-term parking somewhere, that

[23:44] wouldn't be an ideal park for the

[23:45] attendant for the tenants there.

[23:47] >> Yeah, for sure. My intention on the on

[23:49] the back section, so between the well

[23:52] the old Bell Telephone building, that

[23:53] one, the heart building, and the 182

[23:55] building there, I was planning to put

[23:57] some livable space back, not livable,

[23:59] outdoor space back there. Um, it's all

[24:02] just overgrowth and everything. So,

[24:03] shrubbery and put some chairs out there

[24:05] and stuff.

[24:07] >> I have to keep garbage contained back

[24:09] there as well. So,

[24:11] Arlene, you have anything?

[24:13] >> I think it's a great idea. That building

[24:15] has come before us with all kinds of

[24:18] things going to be done and never did.

[24:20] And uh I think it will be a great use of

[24:24] what your plans are.

[24:26] >> Yeah. Thank you.

[24:27] >> And um and that's a great location for

[24:30] people to walk and everything else down

[24:33] there. So I'm happy to see this coming

[24:37] through.

[24:37] >> Thank you. Yeah, the staff from the

[24:40] outsiders will probably all move in,

[24:43] >> right?

[24:45] >> No, you know, with this project going on

[24:47] and then the redo of River Street West,

[24:51] uh, making that more into a

[24:55] say here,

[24:57] >> pedestrian federally.

[24:59] >> Yeah, pedestrian. You could have little

[25:01] festivals in that area. You can put the

[25:03] traffic biards in to close it off. Um,

[25:08] it's going to it up

[25:09] >> for sure.

[25:10] >> Especially with the development on the

[25:11] old Chipua Hotel grounds.

[25:14] Yeah,

[25:17] >> very nice.

[25:17] >> Yeah, thank you.

[25:18] >> Yeah,

[25:19] >> thanks so much.

[25:19] >> Yep.

[25:24] » Now, any comment from the public on

[25:27] this? Please come up to the podium. Name

[25:30] and address, please.

[25:34] >> Andrew Stafford, 400 River Street. I'm a

[25:36] director of economic development with

[25:38] the Chamber of Commerce and in that role

[25:40] I serve as the point of contact for the

[25:42] Downtown Development Authority. Just

[25:44] wanted to speak in support for this

[25:46] project. Uh Mick, as you mentioned, uh

[25:50] the last two years, two and a half years

[25:51] that I've been here, I've talked to four

[25:54] different potential buyers of that site

[25:56] and each of them only proposed

[25:59] residential. There's never been any type

[26:01] of commercial proposal for that site.

[26:03] And I I truly think that residential is

[26:05] probably the highest and best use and it

[26:06] fits the character of that section of

[26:08] the the DDA district with the property

[26:11] directly to the east being all

[26:13] residential. Um and so I would just like

[26:15] to show the DDA support for this

[26:17] project. It would be an amazing

[26:19] investment and into this uh area of the

[26:22] district. And Mark, as you pointed out,

[26:24] uh, on the heels of the streetscape

[26:26] project and some new businesses on that

[26:28] west end, um, it's really going to help

[26:30] round out that that area of the district

[26:34] and so I just want to support the

[26:35] project. Thank you.

[26:36] >> Thank you.

[26:38] >> Anyone else?

[26:43] » Okay, we'll go into discussion.

[26:46] >> Do you want to close the public hearing?

[26:49] >> Close the hearing first.

[26:50] >> Okay. We we will close that portion of

[26:52] the public hearing on 427

[26:55] Water Street. It is 556. We'll go into

[26:59] discussion.

[27:01] >> Public comment on agenda related items.

[27:04] Pardon?

[27:04] >> Public comment on agenda related items.

[27:06] >> Okay. Sorry. Public comment on agenda

[27:09] related items.

[27:11] >> What about old business?

[27:13] >> About the old business?

[27:14] >> Not yet.

[27:15] >> We're not.

[27:16] >> Not yet.

[27:16] >> Down the line.

[27:17] Bob. Uh all comments and

[27:20] handouts from the speaker will at the

[27:22] podium will go through the chair. If

[27:23] there cannot be uh any interaction

[27:25] between the podium and audience, these

[27:27] rules cannot be followed. The chair can

[27:29] adjourn the meeting. You have up to five

[27:31] minutes. Uh anyone interested to have

[27:34] anything come to the podium name and

[27:35] address please.

[27:39] Okay. Now we'll move along to new business Z26-03

[27:47] mixed use amendment in light industrial.

[27:51] >> I think we move along in the right

[27:53] direction on how it is going to help in

[27:56] the long run.

[27:59] » Nick,

[27:59] >> I mean the district's been there a long

[28:01] time and it has not been fully utilized

[28:04] and I've heard a number of people saying

[28:06] geez why wouldn't we put housing there?

[28:08] So now we're putting housing there

[28:10] potentially. So I think we're listening

[28:12] to the public and I think the public has

[28:14] got a right to have some housing in that

[28:16] area and uh

[28:19] >> like I said good for business.

[28:20] >> Yeah, I agree. It has has been

[28:23] underutilized for many many years.

[28:26] >> Well, since we moved to town in '09, I

[28:29] think there's only been like one new

[28:31] building going up there. Yep.

[28:33] >> Yeah, it's Yeah, it desperately needs to be used more

[28:37] efficiently.

[28:38] >> Yes, Marlene,

[28:40] >> I agree with everything and I'm happy to

[28:43] see something finally

[28:46] being used over there.

[28:49] >> Okay.

[28:51] Um,

[28:53] with that, is there a motion to approve

[28:54] or deny?

[28:56] >> Uh, recommend to council.

[28:58] >> Recommend.

[28:58] to council. I

[29:00] >> I will

[29:02] Motion to recommend to council approval

[29:04] of uh the uh amendment changes for light

[29:08] industrial mixed use.

[29:10] >> Okay,

[29:10] >> I'll second it.

[29:11] >> Second motion by Mick to recommend to uh

[29:15] councel.

[29:16] Second by Bob. Any further discussion?

[29:20] None. Please take role.

[29:23] >> Yes.

[29:23] >> Commissioner,

[29:25] >> yes.

[29:25] >> Commissioner Winer,

[29:26] >> yes.

[29:27] >> Commissioner McBride,

[29:28] >> yes.

[29:29] >> Whitler,

[29:30] >> yes.

[29:31] Motion approved. Thank you. 427

[29:35] Water Street multi-unit dwelling.

[29:39] Do a motion to take that to council.

[29:42] >> That'll you guys can approve that.

[29:43] >> Oh, we don't need it. Okay,

[29:45] >> that's us. Okay,

[29:46] >> just us.

[29:47] >> All right. So, motion to approve or deny

[29:50] this.

[29:50] >> I make a motion to approve the plan as

[29:52] is.

[29:55] >> Go ahead.

[29:56] >> Second.

[29:57] Okay. I'll um write up some

[30:00] conditions based on DPW and engineer

[30:05] comments in the site plan review chain.

[30:07] >> So I'll just sort of tweak those that

[30:09] you know he has to coordinate with DPW

[30:12] for the fire suppression

[30:13] >> most and most of those were pretty

[30:15] standard stuff anyway.

[30:17] >> But the parking too I think really still

[30:20] needs to be kind of

[30:21] >> solidified if I'll I'll say I mean he

[30:24] doesn't have to provide parking in the

[30:26] district. I know, but it's

[30:27] >> um but I'll request I'll write up

[30:29] something to share parking plans or if

[30:32] he paves that, you know, we'll have to

[30:35] go through the review of the striping

[30:37] and the size there. So,

[30:39] >> we'll keep a copy of that decision.

[30:44] >> So, we have a motion

[30:46] approved by Bob, second by Mick, uh with

[30:49] the conditions that Maddie will put

[30:51] forth. Um

[30:54] roll call, please.

[30:57] Commissioner Sinski,

[30:58] >> yes.

[30:58] >> Commissioner Zanski,

[31:00] >> yes.

[31:00] >> Commissioner Warner,

[31:01] >> yes.

[31:02] >> Commissioner McBride,

[31:03] >> yes.

[31:04] >> Chair,

[31:05] >> yes. Motion passed. Congratulations.

[31:10] Old business. Feather flags.

[31:16] » Leave your feather flag.

[31:18] >> Yeah. Um, I've sent out letters to the

[31:20] businesses on 31 with them. It's still

[31:23] the same problem of the business that

[31:26] has had it the most. And I resonate with

[31:29] this. If my neighbor can do it, why

[31:30] can't I? And so, ideally, they'll all

[31:34] come down. I did write up some language

[31:36] about I think um special events in the

[31:40] city. Either maybe we include something

[31:43] on the application that they're not

[31:44] allowed or this is waved because they're

[31:47] already going through council. But every

[31:49] special event is going to have feather

[31:52] flags because they're there for a day

[31:53] and they're coming in from wherever. If

[31:56] we had like a parasailing or catamaran

[32:00] race and they had 12 when I was on my

[32:03] walk walking down by the beach and so

[32:05] things like that that I might not see,

[32:08] but those aren't permanent. They're just

[32:09] setting it up for this event that

[32:11] they've already gotten approval for.

[32:13] Maybe we consider that something

[32:14] different. you know, I'm not out there

[32:16] on a Saturday to see all of these, but

[32:19] it still kind of is, well, if my

[32:20] neighbor can do it, why can't I? That

[32:23] sort of thing. And I think that applies

[32:25] to a lot of temporary signs, but feather

[32:28] flags we do have the strictest language

[32:30] on.

[32:32] Um,

[32:35] and we talked about special events that

[32:38] don't go through council. So, private

[32:40] property special events like if

[32:43] a business has a band or when Scoobies

[32:46] like does their own farmers market,

[32:48] things like that. Those are private.

[32:49] Those don't go through any really

[32:52] approval from the city if it's just

[32:53] during operating hours.

[32:58] Those were the language suggestions I

[33:00] wrote up. But otherwise, that's my

[33:02] update is I've sent emails and letters

[33:06] week and a half ago to all the

[33:08] businesses on 31.

[33:10] >> Do you still go in with Labor Fest?

[33:12] >> Yes.

[33:13] >> Do they use feather flags?

[33:15] >> No. And and we we'll we basically only

[33:18] put our flags out like um like a lot of

[33:22] people on the day of the event.

[33:24] >> Okay.

[33:25] >> Other than the banners that we have

[33:26] approval for think there's one coming

[33:29] into River Street.

[33:31] >> Okay.

[33:31] >> And there's a few others on private

[33:33] properties, but uh but we use the you

[33:37] know the basically the sandwich signs on

[33:39] people's just like you would for an

[33:41] election.

[33:42] >> Okay. All right.

[33:46] Well, thank you. Uh, public

[33:48] comments, communication.

[33:51] There's anyone in the audience that has

[33:53] anything, please come to the podium.

[33:56] No. Okay.

[34:00] Staff board reports.

[34:06] I included a permit list. I think I

[34:09] forgot the certificate list, but I don't

[34:11] think it's changed much since the last

[34:14] meeting. Couple key things. We issued

[34:18] the building and land use permits for

[34:21] the tiny developer house off of

[34:25] Kaziasco.

[34:26] Um I believe that's going to be single

[34:28] family now instead of the duplex.

[34:31] um due to

[34:34] not wanting to have sort of that

[34:36] oversight that they're going to have to

[34:37] do at Jackson for two separate owners

[34:40] within a building. Um this will just be

[34:42] able to be for sale to one owner.

[34:46] Plans are looking good. Um that I think

[34:49] will be exciting and hopefully

[34:51] coordinate with George when they get

[34:53] work started there and do some sort of

[34:55] maybe a groundbreaking or invite the

[34:57] commission to come out. I know that'll

[35:00] be really exciting for both the land

[35:01] bank and the city. Um, like I said, I've

[35:04] had a lot of calls about other

[35:06] properties and I've been met with a lot

[35:08] of positive feedback that,

[35:11] you know, this is going to bring more

[35:13] housing and this is making people more

[35:15] willing to invest or buy some of these

[35:17] smaller lots and um, you know, maybe

[35:21] redo the house because the foundation

[35:23] just isn't repairable at that point. So,

[35:26] happy about that. Um, if anyone has any

[35:29] questions on the permit list, I'm happy

[35:30] to answer them.

[35:33] And I meant to include the plans for

[35:36] Kaziasco, but I think I forgot. But it

[35:38] is the same, relatively the same as the

[35:42] single family for the Jackson Street

[35:44] house. So, I think that'll also be a

[35:46] really good model of how that's going to

[35:48] look and for George and for Tiny, how

[35:51] financially that's going to work with

[35:53] Lakeshore and sort of how those numbers

[35:55] are going to come to fruition. Um,

[35:58] getting this slightly lower

[36:03] I can't think of the word scale project

[36:06] >> affordability.

[36:08] >> Yes. Yes. but also, you know, he has

[36:10] more time with this one versus the

[36:12] timeline of the PUB and the utility

[36:15] constructions that he has over there.

[36:17] That's going to be a really big

[36:18] investment. So, being able to see this

[36:20] one come to fruition first for both Tiny

[36:23] and I think for the commission will be

[36:25] good. And hopefully we are involved

[36:27] along the way and can bring some updates

[36:30] once that work gets started.

[36:35] » Jackie, you have anything?

[36:38] No. Okay.

[36:40] Um, meetings training attended by

[36:42] members. Anything?

[36:46] >> No.

[36:47] >> Marlene, anything?

[36:48] >> No,

[36:48] >> I got to call you. I will.

[36:50] >> Yeah.

[36:50] >> I keep forgetting.

[36:51] >> She's going to set me up.

[36:53] >> All right. Me, too. If it's something I

[36:55] haven't seen

[36:56] >> the data centers,

[37:01] » there is a new series.

[37:02] >> I can send it to you, too, if you'd like

[37:03] to watch it. I have the link.

[37:04] >> Haven't they? The data centers and

[37:06] There's new legislation

[37:10] >> I believe. I'm not familiar with it, but

[37:12] I believe there is.

[37:12] >> They've got a it was in the paper in the

[37:14] bill

[37:17] >> something with the tax credits. I think

[37:19] that changed a bit.

[37:20] >> Well, also and some statewide rules on

[37:23] data centers.

[37:24] >> That that was all in that presentation

[37:26] that we we got. Yeah.

[37:27] >> All the statewide rules were in that

[37:29] presentation.

[37:30] >> So, but I don't know that they have been

[37:31] approved yet, but uh I don't know what

[37:34] the status would be in between.

[37:39] I don't think so. I don't think

[37:41] >> I'll have to reread that one. I didn't

[37:43] finish it. I got called away.

[37:45] >> But there Yeah, there's new new ones

[37:47] coming out online now, I think, in

[37:48] October. Um

[37:50] >> the comprehensive list

[37:53] >> they do. So, what they they just send

[37:55] out the recordings of all of the ones

[37:58] they did through the year. Um I think it

[38:01] was November, December.

[38:03] >> Okay.

[38:04] >> They send it out. So last year I

[38:06] purchased one pack and they said it was

[38:10] okay if we shared it with the group. So

[38:13] >> we can do something similar.

[38:14] >> All right. Very good.

[38:17] Member discussion. Marlene.

[38:22] >> No, I have nothing at this time. I I

[38:25] just like to know what's happening with

[38:28] the old um army surplus. It seems like

[38:31] it's been at a standstill. what their

[38:34] plans are to

[38:37] start. When are they going to start

[38:38] doing something in there?

[38:40] >> The Ringo oil building.

[38:41] >> Ringo Army Surplus was across the

[38:44] street.

[38:44] >> They were breaking ground this week.

[38:47] >> Were they? Cuz there's still cement.

[38:49] >> Yeah, they were

[38:50] >> Oh, down the right one.

[38:53] >> I I think Katie the land bank took it

[38:56] down. That one

[38:58] >> or No.

[38:58] >> Yeah, the land bank was one that was

[39:00] running. Yeah, I think they've been

[39:01] working with different contractors and

[39:04] it's just been a slow process of getting

[39:06] that cleaned up, but um when I talked to

[39:09] her recently, she was optimistic it

[39:11] would be soon.

[39:12] >> Now the fence is gone, which looks

[39:14] better.

[39:18] » Anything else, Marlene?

[39:19] >> No, that's Pam.

[39:22] >> No, not really.

[39:23] >> Okay, Nick. Well, the only thing is, you

[39:26] know, they we talk about walkability,

[39:29] uh, but we have an issue with with

[39:35] drivers not respecting the the walkways.

[39:40] I I mean, eventually it's going to I

[39:43] watched just today I watched a young man

[39:46] coming back from school trying to cross

[39:48] 31 on Sixth Street and he ended up started at he he must

[39:57] have waited there at least 10 minutes

[40:00] trying to get across fifth street. Every

[40:01] time he would try there would be a car

[40:03] coming in or to coming from another

[40:05] corner. He ended up starting walking

[40:08] towards First Street. I don't know how

[40:10] far he went, but

[40:13] I always thought the rule was if you

[40:15] step into a crosswalk, traffic is

[40:17] supposed to stop even on a state

[40:19] highway.

[40:20] >> I couldn't.

[40:21] >> No. No.

[40:22] >> So you can run over somebody if they're

[40:23] in the crosswalk. There's no

[40:25] >> require fault for hitting them. But if

[40:27] the crosswalk is not having a sign

[40:29] saying

[40:29] >> Oh, it is

[40:31] if it needs to have a signage saying

[40:35] >> pedestrians. It doesn't have that

[40:37] signage.

[40:38] >> You know, I travel other places and I'll

[40:40] give you example. I was in Portland,

[40:42] Maine. Heck, if if I was close to a

[40:45] crosswalk, they stopped.

[40:47] That just doesn't happen here. And I

[40:49] think part of that is maybe we don't

[40:51] have the right regulations or maybe we

[40:53] just don't, you know, have a good

[40:56] education. We had brought up this a

[40:58] couple years back and we wanted a

[41:02] crosswalk down by the Catholic school

[41:05] there

[41:06] >> cuz that's such a bad section there and

[41:09] kids crossing to the high school or the

[41:12] Catholic school and that and I don't

[41:15] know what ever happened to it but

[41:17] nothing ever surfaced but getting

[41:19] >> I know along the highway there's only

[41:21] about two signs that says uh crosswalk

[41:24] ahead and There's only two of them. So,

[41:28] one's on eighth street

[41:29] >> and I'm not sure where the other one's

[41:31] at. But that was the only ones that are

[41:33] >> The other one's at Fifth Street.

[41:34] >> That's the But it doesn't matter.

[41:36] >> If he's crossing at six, that's not the

[41:38] that's not they so they would almost

[41:40] need one at every block where there's a

[41:42] cross.

[41:42] >> But even at Fifth Street, nobody I mean

[41:44] literally nobody will stop.

[41:47] >> Yeah. But that but the ones that are

[41:48] marked where they can get uh duty law

[41:52] enforcement on them. Um

[41:54] >> but also you know some of our uh the

[41:57] example on uh River Street the crosswalk

[42:01] if you're crossing across US 31 you have

[42:04] to be you know a track star because

[42:07] three steps into it and it's flashing

[42:09] you that it's your time is up and people

[42:13] are very um

[42:16] anxious to make their left and right

[42:18] turns. Those are the ones that make it

[42:20] most dangerous.

[42:23] Anyways, I just wanted to

[42:25] >> say my piece about people, you know,

[42:27] again, we're not going to have

[42:29] pedestrian friendly if if we can't

[42:31] figure out what we're going to do with

[42:33] crosswalks.

[42:34] >> Um M DOT is increasing, I believe, the

[42:37] number of crosswalks on 31 in their

[42:39] project, and they're expanding the

[42:41] sidewalk the whole way um down by MCC.

[42:44] That's going to be a whole new section

[42:47] over there. That intersection is going

[42:49] to look completely different as far as I

[42:50] know. And then Maple Street, that is

[42:54] what this safe routes to school grant is

[42:57] going to be focused on. Um Jerry and I

[43:02] literally a week and a half ago kind of

[43:04] got involved in the project. So, I don't

[43:07] have all of the facts, but from what it

[43:10] sounds like, when

[43:12] we started this and Spicer drew up the

[43:15] designs for the Maple Street project in

[43:17] the Milanfill, they had some increased

[43:21] sidewalks and um crosswalks, some

[43:24] bumpouts, some ADA

[43:26] um ramp, not ramps, but you know, some

[43:28] better quality sidewalks that are more

[43:30] ADA friendly. and it was way far out of

[43:34] the M dot budget for that project. And

[43:36] so with the safe routes to school grant,

[43:39] those are going to be the details that

[43:41] ideally will be implementing. Um,

[43:45] however, Spicer isn't doing those prelim

[43:49] plans because of how this grant works.

[43:51] It's going to be a different firm, so

[43:53] they don't have those done yet. Um, so I

[43:56] don't know exactly what is included in

[43:58] them. We just yesterday met with the

[44:01] safe routes to school coordinator for

[44:03] the region, but hopefully some of those

[44:06] um increased safety measures are going

[44:09] to be included. And then Jerry and I

[44:11] went to a conference down in Hart

[44:16] two weeks ago and Tracy Davis's daughter

[44:19] organized it and so she invited us and

[44:22] it was pretty community specific to Hart

[44:24] but we were able to attend and um Mark

[44:26] Fenton was there who is a walkability

[44:28] expert and he was he was really

[44:31] wonderful and had a lot of great ideas

[44:34] for slowing down traffic and things like

[44:37] that. And so hopefully if we don't see

[44:39] those in some of these prelim plans, we

[44:41] can work those in because, you know, you

[44:44] can only do so much about cars and the

[44:45] cops can only do so much when they're

[44:47] out patrolling. So things like that um

[44:50] hopefully will be included, but until we

[44:53] see the the plans, I don't really know.

[44:54] And I didn't see Spicer's plans for

[44:56] Maple Street either, so we will see.

[45:07] Nothing really much I can think of. I

[45:09] just remembered well we went to one of

[45:12] the meetings with MDOT at the uh

[45:14] college.

[45:15] Uh I made sure I talked for their

[45:17] engineer there and but Manassy's in one

[45:20] man county one district. Mason County is

[45:22] the next and neither district knew the

[45:25] other ones were doing projects next year

[45:28] up next to each other because US 31 and

[45:32] just south of county line is going to be

[45:34] redone also. They're in the process of

[45:36] working on the detour for town line

[45:39] quarter line to bring them up that way

[45:43] on that district. That's another MDOT

[45:45] district. So I made them aware of it at

[45:47] the time and I haven't heard anything

[45:49] back from them on it. So there's

[45:51] possibly two big projects going in

[45:54] >> that area goes 31 next year.

[45:57] >> What's their timeline?

[46:00] >> I didn't have I haven't talked to Keith

[46:02] down the Mason County one, but with the

[46:05] meeting we had at the Mass one, they're

[46:09] starting next next spring next April.

[46:12] >> They're starting on that side. They're

[46:13] starting

[46:14] >> on the same side that South side.

[46:16] >> Can I say one thing?

[46:17] >> Sure. I'd like to congratulate Bob and

[46:20] all the firefighters from Grant

[46:22] Township. They worked for days and hours

[46:25] and they had everything set up to their

[46:28] fundraiser to get equipment for the fire

[46:31] department. They did a wonderful job. I

[46:34] know you put a lot of hours into that.

[46:39] >> You say that every year.

[46:43] >> What? Well, when you when you're there

[46:46] five nights before the thing even starts

[46:49] and you spend all day, two days there.

[46:51] >> About a half chickens running around,

[46:52] Bob. So,

[46:54] >> you sell that.

[46:55] >> We made a thous we cooked for a

[46:57] thousand.

[47:00] » And you had how many people?

[47:02] >> Just over 800.

[47:03] >> Okay. Very good. Worthwhile.

[47:06] >> And we sold a lot of the chicken people

[47:08] after.

[47:09] >> Bob got to eat finally.

[47:10] >> Yeah. In the senior center, you had our

[47:13] leftover desserts.

[47:14] >> Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

[47:17] >> Yeah, we did a lot lot of desserts left

[47:19] over and

[47:21] Marlene was at the senior center when I

[47:23] was food was coming from.

[47:24] >> Yeah. And he I left my carrier when I

[47:27] donated cupcakes and stuff and he had

[47:31] delivered it back to me. So,

[47:34] >> he's a good boy.

[47:35] >> Yeah,

[47:36] >> it's a good event. And then we got

[47:38] filers from uh Halloween stuff coming up

[47:41] soon.

[47:42] >> Oh

[47:44] >> yeah. No, not the No, get their

[47:46] Halloween.

[47:47] >> Filer. Okay.

[47:48] >> Yeah.

[47:50] >> Not the other one.

[47:51] >> No, we're not involved in that this

[47:52] year. First of all, they want to do it

[47:54] by themselves.

[47:55] >> Okay.

[47:56] Thank you, Robert.

[47:58] >> Uh online citizen planner classes. We

[48:00] talked about

[48:02] um certificates for everyone that

[48:06] um finishes their citizen planner. Um

[48:11] can we get anything from that? Talk to

[48:13] Mary Riley

[48:15] >> like every year when you finish the

[48:17] training.

[48:18] >> We used to get them used to get

[48:20] certificates when we

[48:21] >> I can ask. She didn't program.

[48:22] >> It wasn't Mary that I talked to to keep

[48:25] track of the trainings.

[48:26] >> All right.

[48:27] >> It was someone else. And when I sent the

[48:30] final update last year that everyone had

[48:32] completed

[48:33] um the required hours, I didn't get a

[48:36] response. So I can

[48:38] >> Okay.

[48:39] >> Try again this year because everyone's

[48:41] going to finish their hours.

[48:43] >> Exactly. Did you We talked a little bit

[48:46] about uh the newsletter.

[48:49] >> Yeah. I got I'll send something to Mary.

[48:51] >> Okay.

[48:52] >> If you have anything you want included,

[48:54] just send it my way.

[48:55] we're going to have about Roger in the

[48:57] citizen planner newsletter. So, coming

[49:00] up,

[49:02] um, this one I forget about fence

[49:06] permits. Did we ever get anywhere on

[49:09] fence permits? Why is I saw somebody

[49:12] putting a fence up the other day. We

[49:14] don't require them, but based on convers

[49:17] conversations with Jerry and my talking

[49:21] to people, I plan to amend that in next

[49:25] year's fee schedule. So, when the new

[49:27] fee schedule comes out, we'll probably

[49:28] do a comprehensive update of all of our

[49:31] fees because they're relatively cheap.

[49:34] Um, res residential land use is $25 or

[49:38] $75. So, to build a house, it's only a

[49:41] $75 permit, which is really quite cheap

[49:44] for the time it goes into review. Um,

[49:47] and then fence permits is on that list

[49:48] of reinstating those just due to the

[49:51] number of complaints and question. I

[49:53] still talk to people all the time when

[49:54] they put in a fence of what they have to

[49:56] do and send them the rules.

[49:57] >> That was 25 bucks back in the day.

[49:59] >> Yeah. I had to get one when we replaced

[50:01] our fence and because we added a section

[50:04] that wasn't fenced in and it was only

[50:06] $25.

[50:07] What what you lack though, public works

[50:09] makes up the difference with permit

[50:12] fees.

[50:12] >> Oh, there you go.

[50:15] >> Getting water hooked up and sewer hooked

[50:17] up.

[50:20] >> Uh the only other thing is like I said

[50:22] in the presentation on the 15th that uh

[50:25] Maddie and I will be presenting to city

[50:27] council and um city council will be

[50:31] presenting a plaque to Roger's family.

[50:34] So, if all could be there, it'd be

[50:36] great.

[50:38] And time now is 6:20. I would ask for an

[50:42] >> adjournment.

[50:48] 5:30.

[50:51] Devouring.

Manistee City Planning Commission Meeting 2026-09-03

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