[2:06] Execute. A buyback on one lot that is in the Cherry Glen subdivision.

[2:11] There's been some failures with other industrial development boards in this

[2:16] industrial development boards in this county,

[2:16] but there has not been a failure with the industrial development board of this

[2:21] county. We've been very intentional about how we structure these notes for you.

[2:27] For instance, if you were to pull your General Motors contract,

[2:31] what you would see is that there is a jobs requirement.

[2:35] Something that's never been there before in the past 30 years.

[2:39] The— for the first time with the rezoning, General Motors taxes will not go down.

[2:44] That's the first time that this has happened in their existence here.

[2:49] That's a positive. Additionally, with the sale of property,

[2:53] many of these companies are incentivized with a lower price for the property to

[2:58] bring the project But there's also a clawback in that property.

[3:03] If they don't put the foundation in by a certain period of time, we buy it back.

[3:08] If their property is not built by a certain period of time, we buy it back.

[3:13] And so now we're in a piece of property—

[3:16] and so when someone buys a piece of property from the Industrial Development

[3:21] property from the Industrial Development Board

[3:21] or Murray County, that money stays basically in escrow until all of those

[3:26] basically in escrow until all of those parameters

[3:27] are met.

[3:27] Okay.

[3:29] At this point, we are having to execute one,

[3:32] a buyback for one piece of property that was sold in 2021 from, uh,

[3:37] in Cherry Glen Industrial Park. We buy it back at the price we sold it for in 2021.

[3:44] You can imagine it's worth quite a bit more today than it was in 2021.

[3:49] So we work hard to make sure that we've got, as best we can,

[3:53] fail-safes to that these companies meet the obligations that they've laid out as

[4:00] they come to us. And with that, I'll take any questions you may have.

[4:05] Any questions for Mr. Parks? Yes, Commissioner Ronsberger.

[4:13] On the Innovation Campus, I'm pretty sure I understand it,

[4:18] that's right there where the old Excel Course was for Saturn?

[4:24] Yes, sir.

[4:25] Okay.

[4:26] And part of the old farms, of course, a lot of the old barns are gone. Okay.

[4:30] I just wanted to make sure I had that placed. Thank you. Commissioner Markham.

[4:33] Thank you.

[4:35] That's from Denning Lane all the way up to Ripavilla, basically,

[4:38] is where that one is.

[4:40] Yes, sir.

[4:40] I just wanted you to point out that the one on 43 Bypass,

[4:45] it's the City of Columbia IDB, right?

[4:48] That is correct.

[4:48] The one that— because a lot of people are asking about that.

[4:51] Oakland Parkway. Yeah,

[4:52] the Oakland Parkway is the City of Columbia's Industrial Development Board.

[4:58] Fiberon, which many of you might be aware of,

[5:02] is the City of Columbia Industrial Development Board project. U.S.

[5:07] Tennis in Spring Hill was Spring Hill Industrial Development Board project.

[5:13] The Hunt Properties on the corner of Bear Creek Pike and 31 Was the city of Columbia

[5:20] project. Our we've I don't think anyone's perfect,

[5:24] but the county has had an incredible team over the last sixty years that have worked

[5:30] to try and make this make this work for all of Murray County and be be very

[5:36] all of Murray County and be be very mindful

[5:37] about the the. Problems that have happened in the past to keep them from happening

[5:43] in the future.

[5:44] All right. Anyone else? Commissioner Combs.

[5:49] All right.

[5:54] I think it's working.

[5:56] Thank you, Chairman.

[6:00] When you decide to place any industrial property,

[6:04] which environmental guidelines do you have to go

[6:08] through?

[6:10] For example, I'll give you an example.

[6:12] If I place a radio tower somewhere, I have to go through FCC federal guidelines,

[6:17] which is about 20 different items that have to be like migratory bird paths,

[6:21] for example. What guidelines do you have to follow?

[6:25] Our guidelines don't— we don't,

[6:26] we don't really deal with that in terms of the companies that are coming in.

[6:31] That, that's going to fall in their wheelhouse.

[6:34] The only reason we're dealing with TDEC right now is We're trying to develop this

[6:39] piece of property for a future use here.

[6:42] Okay, thank you.

[6:44] Just forgive my ignorance. I'm still trying to learn here. Absolutely.

[6:49] And all questions are good questions.

[6:52] We're glad— it's— we've had a lot of success over the last decade here in

[6:57] success over the last decade here in Murray

[6:58] County, as all of you know,

[7:00] and that's created some challenges and some really positive things.

[7:05] But as we look out, right now things have slowed down some,

[7:09] and that gives us some time to, I think,

[7:12] for you all as a commission to catch your breath and forge the way you want to move

[7:18] forward. But it doesn't change our readiness.

[7:21] When Murray Alliance brings us a project, we sit down, we look at the benefits.

[7:27] on a cost basis to Maury County. And if they're not there, they're not there.

[7:33] Okay. Anyone else? I think that's it. Mr. Parks, thank you.

[7:39] Thank you all. Thank you for your service.

[7:41] Okay. We'll move on to 09-2606,

[7:45] appointment of one member To the Regional Planning Commission to

[7:52] fill the unexpired term of Mike Diaz, and I have Chris Wilson.

[7:59] Are there any other— Mayor Butt? Mr.

[8:03] Chairman, I would ask him to come and

[8:08] introduce himself to the commission,

[8:13] please.

[8:13] Good evening, everyone. I'm working here. Good evening, everyone.

[8:19] My name is Chris Wilson. I've been a resident of the county going on 20 years

[8:26] resident of the county going on 20 years now.

[8:26] Wife and children are in the back as well, within Murray County Schools.

[8:32] Just a little quick backstory on me. I have 2 businesses within the county.

[8:39] We employ about 50 people between those 2 businesses.

[8:44] One of my businesses deals a lot with land development, land usage.

[8:50] We cover projects from Kentucky line down into Giles County, Alabama area.

[8:56] Been involved in a lot of good projects,

[9:00] also come across a lot of not so good projects.

[9:04] So look forward to bringing Some of that experience I have as far as boots on the

[9:11] ground to it. Uh, tell you some of the findings we've discovered over the years.

[9:18] Also looking forward to, with all the growth going on in this county,

[9:24] some of the future land usage stuff that'll be coming in front of us.

[9:30] Looking forward to hearing in on that and being a part of what the future holds for

[9:37] Murray County.

[9:38] I need a motion to— is there any other nominations?

[9:44] Seeing none, I need a motion to approve Mr. Wilson.

[9:49] I got it by Commissioner Kuzawinski,

[9:53] seconded by Commissioner Hollinsworth. Any discussion?

[9:58] Commissioner Markham.

[10:01] Okay.

[10:06] Mr. Wilson, how did you hear about the opportunity?

[10:09] I had 2 referrals from past members, and they recommended me to Miss Sheila,

[10:16] and I was able to sit down and have a couple of meetings with her and go over

[10:23] couple of meetings with her and go over some

[10:23] of the experiences I had.

[10:26] And I've sat in on a couple of the meetings, so I was familiar with the

[10:32] meetings, so I was familiar with the processes.

[10:33] Okay.

[10:34] So you said you had a couple businesses in Murray County.

[10:37] You told us about one of them. Is the other one relevant?

[10:39] It is.

[10:40] Uh, it's a heavy equipment repair shop. It's off of Highway 7.

[10:45] We do a lot of construction equipment sales and service as well as rentals.

[10:51] Do a lot of heavy truck repair, dump trucks, semis, all of that.

[10:56] The other business is an excavating company. It's Wilson Land Clearing.

[11:01] It's based out of Mount Pleasant.

[11:04] We also own quite a bit of real estate, some commercial land, ag production land,

[11:10] starting from the 431 corridor down to Mount Pleasant.

[11:14] We do a lot of rentals as well, a lot of duplexes,

[11:18] apartment complexes that we own around here.

[11:21] So having that real estate background as well is something I Like to bring to the

[11:28] table.

[11:28] Okay, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Wilson. Any other questions?

[11:33] Uh, Commissioner Barnes.

[11:35] Am I on here?

[11:39] Yeah.

[11:39] Okay, it's good to meet you, Mr. Wilson.

[11:41] Thank you for coming up and, uh, putting your name in the hat for this.

[11:44] I just have one simple question for you.

[11:46] Sure.

[11:46] Do you have any past projects that have involved Murray County government or any

[11:52] scheduled future projects for Murray County government?

[11:55] I don't have any projects that are going at the moment.

[11:59] I had a project I was going to run through to get approved,

[12:03] and we ended up not doing anything with it.

[12:06] So nothing future coming down the works at the moment. Thank you, Mr. Wilson.

[12:11] All right, anyone else? Seeing none, we'll vote.

[12:14] I have a motion by Commissioner Kuzawinski,

[12:17] seconded by Commissioner Hollinsworth, and we'll vote.

[12:21] Please

[12:28] vote.

[12:34] 21 aye,

[12:43] 1 no.

[12:49] Got 21 in the affirmative, 1 no, so that passes.

[12:53] All righty, thank you, Mr. Wilson.

[12:56] Um, 092607, appointment of 2 members to the Regional Planning

[13:02] Commission. Mayor Butt. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[13:07] We would like to reappoint Quentin Jones and appoint Robert Calderero.

[13:12] who may have some experience with that.

[13:14] All right. Can I get a motion?

[13:18] I've got public comment on this.

[13:20] I got to get a motion first, Chris.

[13:23] I got a motion by Commissioner Hesla, seconded by Commissioner Morrow.

[13:28] Any discussion? All right, Chris, come on up.

[13:31] Chris Gramling, District 9.

[13:33] Um, I guess I'm going to point out the elephant in the room. This is not

[13:38] elephant in the room. This is not personal.

[13:39] Uh, Commissioners, before you consider the appointment of former Building and Zoning

[13:45] Director Robert Calderaro to the Regional Planning Commission,

[13:49] I believe there are important facts from his tenure that deserve examination.

[13:54] This is particularly relevant because the Planning Commission is responsible for

[14:00] reviewing subdivisions and And the Building and Zoning Department that Mr.

[14:05] Calderaro directed was responsible for supporting that very process. During Mr.

[14:10] Calderaro's tenure, a development was permitted to proceed without Planning

[14:16] Commission subdivision review that later was determined to actually be subject to

[14:21] subdivision regulations. That project is Ridgeline Reserve on East Sheepneck Road.

[14:27] For an extended period, this development proceeded without subdivision review.

[14:32] It was only after citizens and their attorney researched Tennessee law and

[14:38] attorney researched Tennessee law and raised

[14:38] the infrastructure provisions of TCA 13-3-401,

[14:41] that the county reconsidered its interpretation,

[14:44] and county council concluded that the project was subject to the subdivision

[14:50] regulations. That raises another obvious question:

[14:53] how did a development that was legally subject to subdivision regulation proceed

[14:59] through the department responsible for administering those regulations without

[15:04] administering those regulations without being

[15:05] sent to the Planning Commission.

[15:07] And Ridgeline Reserve is not the only development about which these questions

[15:12] development about which these questions have

[15:12] been raised. Before making this appointment,

[15:15] I asked that the commission examine the record of Double Branch, uh,

[15:20] slash Blackberry Meadows, uh, New Highway 7, Prim Springs, Ironbridge, uh,

[15:25] slash Shapiro, possibly the Monsanto, uh, property called Mule Town Farms.

[15:30] I've got a big long list.

[15:32] Thank you.

[15:33] And it's coming in for all of you.

[15:35] And from what I see,

[15:36] the fact pattern has been repeated over and over and over again.

[15:40] This isn't a question of personality. It is a question of accountability.

[15:45] The Planning Commission exists in significant part to ensure that

[15:49] significant part to ensure that development and

[15:50] subdivision of land complies with Tennessee law and Murray County's

[15:55] Tennessee law and Murray County's subdivision

[15:55] regulations. The public deserves an explanation of what happened in these

[16:00] explanation of what happened in these cases,

[16:01] why it happened, and what responsibility the former director had for those

[16:05] the former director had for those decisions

[16:06] before his appointment to the body responsible for subdivision oversight is

[16:11] considered. Thank you.

[16:12] All right. Is there any further discussion? Seeing none, we'll vote.

[16:20] Yeah. Okay.

[16:21] Come on up. Justin Kittel, District 6, and I wasn't planning to speak tonight,

[16:27] and I'll preface this by saying Robert's always been incredibly nice to me in all

[16:33] always been incredibly nice to me in all of

[16:33] our dealings, always been very kind,

[16:35] and so this has nothing to do with any kind of personal issue,

[16:40] and I'm not even going to address any of the specifics of it.

[16:45] I would say, though,

[16:46] anytime that you would have somebody that's leaving a position from within the

[16:52] county where they've had to make discretionary decisions.

[16:56] And then ultimately,

[16:58] if they were going to go on a board such as the Planning Commission,

[17:03] because the Planning Commission really is kind of the checks and balances of that

[17:09] building and zoning office.

[17:11] And so whether it was Robert or whether it was anybody from that particular

[17:16] department to where you're putting them in a position to where Ultimately,

[17:22] it's going to be impossible to not have some kind of conflicts of interest as far

[17:28] some kind of conflicts of interest as far as

[17:28] matters that have come through that office that,

[17:31] that he's had to make determinations on, judgment calls, subjective determinations.

[17:38] And so again, I wasn't planning on speaking, and this isn't personal,

[17:43] but I do think that the potential for conflicts of interest there would be

[17:48] conflicts of interest there would be Pretty

[17:49] considerable. And again,

[17:51] I would say that for anybody that might be coming into that position,

[17:56] and certainly respect the, the mayor's, you know, decision.

[18:00] And as far as the nomination, and when she mentioned that,

[18:04] that he has a lot of experience with it, you know,

[18:08] I don't think there's any question with that.

[18:11] But therein, in my opinion, lies the problem.

[18:15] Is that you've got somebody that's going to be in a position of oversight in being

[18:21] to be in a position of oversight in being a

[18:21] check and balance for people that at one time he may have supervised and with

[18:27] developments that he may have had a hand in.

[18:30] And you might say, well, in those particular instances,

[18:34] maybe he could recuse himself.

[18:36] But again, I think that in this particular situation,

[18:40] Given the fact that that is an oversight body for that particular office,

[18:46] I think it would be really difficult for him to be able to remove himself and to be

[18:52] an independent decision maker. And I know it would be for me.

[18:56] And again, that's nothing personal,

[18:59] but I think you become invested with the decisions that you make in a particular

[19:05] position like that. And, you know,

[19:07] ultimately you may justify something that you had done in that position that

[19:13] ultimately you're having to defend your own actions in it.

[19:17] And so I make those statements and you can do with those what you will,

[19:23] but in my opinion, I think that there would be too much of a risk for conflicts

[19:29] would be too much of a risk for conflicts of

[19:29] interest. Thank you. Mayor Butt.

[19:31] And I think a lot of the things that would come before them would be future projects

[19:36] rather than things that were past projects.

[19:39] Not to mention, Robert has shepherded them through all of the zoning ordinances,

[19:43] all the new ordinances.

[19:45] He knows the things backwards and forwards, and he could certainly excuse—

[19:49] recuse himself if that's what he thought he needed to do,

[19:52] and I would trust him to do that.

[19:54] So I will stand behind my nomination of Robert Calderero. Thank you.

[19:58] All right. Commissioner Hestla. Thank you, Chair.

[20:04] I know we're not allowed a rebuttal for the public comment,

[20:07] but can Robert come to the podium and say something, please?

[20:10] Would you like to speak?

[20:12] Come on. Hey, Robert. I would just like to hear your opinion on what Mr.

[20:19] Gramling said, because I know you and I have talked about several of

[20:26] those things. during the process.

[20:29] So I'd like to hear what you have to say.

[20:33] Yeah, there's a presumption that I had a call in divisions of land over 5 acres.

[20:38] The project that he's talking about, the Ishi-Connect division of land,

[20:43] was something I knew nothing about until the zoning ordinance public hearing in

[20:49] the zoning ordinance public hearing in July

[20:49] of last year. And some people showed up in signs of opposition to an Ishi-Connect

[20:55] development. Typically, properties are divided in 5 acres or more.

[21:00] We, we never see it. They're divided under state law.

[21:03] And, you know, and we're talking with Chris Bramlett and Teresa Sparks.

[21:08] I later learned, because I was curious at that time,

[21:11] because we've never seen development— find out it's over 5 acres.

[21:16] Historically, we've never seen those.

[21:18] So, uh, find out later, and, uh, And talking with them that there was a—

[21:23] there was an agreement,

[21:25] or there was talks with Columbia Power and Water to extend that water main.

[21:30] And I talked to Columbia Power and Water in months to come.

[21:34] They had discussed it with them, but there was no, no follow-through.

[21:38] There was no other proceedings to legitimize that act.

[21:41] I had no material evidence to act on.

[21:44] It wasn't until November, the following November that year,

[21:47] that I actually heard from Columbia Power and Water. They hadn't heard from them.

[21:52] But the developer had gone to TDAC for that design.

[21:55] So they submitted designs for that extension of that infrastructure to TDAC.

[22:00] At that time, it was our determination and our attorney's determination it did fall

[22:05] within our wheelhouse. And we reacted accordingly.

[22:08] So it wasn't that Robert wasn't doing his job or we was viewing or approving 5-acre

[22:13] divisions. Historically, people divided those properties.

[22:16] We never heard nothing about them until there was an extension of infrastructure.

[22:21] Most of the time that consisted of roadway development,

[22:24] and we were always involved with that.

[22:26] Seldom did we ever hear of a water main extension.

[22:30] At this time, when we heard that they was planning on extending that water main and

[22:34] we had material evidence, we pursued it accordingly.

[22:38] So that's all I had on that.

[22:40] Thank you. And, and we did.

[22:42] We addressed it in November, and that's with our attorney, Christy Ransom.

[22:46] She made that determination with—

[22:48] once I had that information from Columbia Power and Water,

[22:51] I turned it over to her and we sent letters out.

[22:54] Okay, thank you, Robert.

[22:57] Thank you, Chair. All right, anyone— any other commissioners? Commissioner Stovall.

[23:03] Yeah, thank you, Chairman.

[23:04] Uh, Robert, can I ask Robert a question? Sorry about that, Rob.

[23:12] Uh, how many members are on the planning— on this— on the board?

[23:15] 9 members. 9 members?

[23:16] Yes, sir. Each one of them got one vote, right?

[23:19] Yes, sir.

[23:19] Okay, that's all I have.

[23:20] Thank you, Chairman.

[23:21] Thank you.

[23:36] You— would you like to speak?

[23:41] Can— that's from commissioners. From commissioners.

[23:49] Yeah, go ahead, Mr.—

[23:52] Just a reply to the rebuttal there.

[23:56] He actually made the case for exactly what has been going wrong with the Building

[24:01] and Zoning Department.

[24:02] I wasn't going to get into this, but now I'll Absolutely cook them over it.

[24:07] And that's the fact that on 5-acre tracts and more,

[24:10] building and zoning was not looking at those.

[24:13] I could drive across this county right now, and I'm actually in the process of

[24:17] now, and I'm actually in the process of this,

[24:18] doing an audit of all of these subdivisions that have went through

[24:22] subdivisions that have went through building and

[24:22] zoning that we weren't looking at because we were under the mistaken interpretation

[24:27] within building and zoning that those had—

[24:30] would not go before the Planning Commission.

[24:33] And that is not the way that the law reads.

[24:35] This was not something to where Columbia Power and Water spoke up at some point

[24:40] Power and Water spoke up at some point down

[24:40] the road, and that's why building and zoning got into it.

[24:44] There were citizens that expressed issues with this for months over this particular

[24:49] subdivision and were told that there was nothing that they could do until they had

[24:54] to pay me to write a legal opinion that went before the building and zoning

[24:58] attorney, and she completely agreed with everything that we said,

[25:02] that we have been misinterpreting This for who knows how long,

[25:06] but at least when that subdivision came along, the 5-acre determination is—

[25:10] Automatically goes before the Planning Commission.

[25:13] If it's over 5 acres, you've got to make a judgment call.

[25:17] And at the end of the day, the determination is,

[25:20] are they trying to create a subdivision?

[25:23] Infrastructure is one of those layers that you look at.

[25:25] It's one of those factors.

[25:27] But when we talk about overdevelopment,

[25:29] when we talk about growth and the fact that the county has approved less

[25:34] that the county has approved less development

[25:35] than the city of Columbia, for example,

[25:37] part of that is a lot of these subdivisions have been built without going

[25:42] subdivisions have been built without going through

[25:42] the proper process. The Planning Commission is our— again,

[25:46] that's our checks and balances to be sure that these developers are doing things the

[25:52] right way. And there are subdivisions and This will be coming out in the coming

[25:57] months. There are subdivisions all over this county right now that did not go

[26:02] this county right now that did not go before

[26:02] the Planning Commission that should have. You've got excessive driveways.

[26:07] You've got areas where subdivisions have put in—

[26:10] been put in where people don't have water, where infrastructure was extended.

[26:15] And that's the entire problem here, is building and zoning was not looking at it.

[26:20] And so Um, again, this is not personal.

[26:22] I'm, I'm making the case for the people on this,

[26:26] that I'm not even sure it's legally proper that you could take someone out of a

[26:31] director position and put them on a planning commission that's advising

[26:35] planning commission that's advising decisions

[26:36] from that same department.

[26:37] You know, in Washington, D.C.,

[26:39] even when you've got someone that goes out of government,

[26:43] you've got to have a cooling-off period before that happens.

[26:47] And so, um, Based on the comments that were made,

[26:50] I would strongly request that this, this body deny the recommendation.

[26:55] Thank you.

[26:55] All right. Thank you. Any further discussion? Yes. Come on up.

[27:01] Thank you. Theresa Sparks, District 9.

[27:06] If you've been on Double Branch Road, If any—

[27:11] has anybody been on Double Branch Road? It's a disaster.

[27:17] They knew that they were dividing that property.

[27:23] The, the Building and Zoning Committee knew that they had to put in

[27:28] knew that they had to put in infrastructure.

[27:29] It's the same fact pattern. The driveways are dangerous.

[27:33] The homeowners still don't have water. They still don't have water.

[27:38] Some of them have just— One in particular, Doug, just decided to dig a well.

[27:43] Still no water. And that's why we fought so, so passionately,

[27:48] because we didn't want what was happening there, which we were all watching unfold—

[27:54] this disaster, these dangerous driveways,

[27:57] this water infrastructure that came in and created a subdivision.

[28:01] And that's why we were fighting this on East Sheepneck,

[28:05] because we did not want that same fact pattern replicated.

[28:09] And it, it is absolutely inappropriate to have—

[28:15] Robert has been great to me and very kind,

[28:19] and I echo those comments,

[28:22] and his knowledge is invaluable in certain areas.

[28:27] But this was a very big lapse in knowledge of the law.

[28:32] I mean, quite honestly, if we hadn't just started researching it as citizens,

[28:37] This would have never been uncovered. And this was our— this is not my job.

[28:42] I have another job, believe it or not. I'm here frequently, but I have another job.

[28:48] And it's just not—

[28:50] we can, we can reach out to him.

[28:52] We can ask for advice if we need that as a committee,

[28:56] the Regional Planning Commission. But it's not appropriate.

[29:00] It's just not appropriate to go from that position to that board. Thank you.

[29:05] That board is already under question because of the amount of developers and

[29:10] because of the amount of developers and real

[29:10] estate professionals on that board. We've got to get that board in order, and we've—

[29:16] in order to be able to control the growth in this county.

[29:20] We're doing things, we're letting developers go behind,

[29:24] circumvent rules and regulations. We can show you that.

[29:28] If you have any interest, we can show you that.

[29:30] Get Christie's memo.

[29:31] Thank you.

[29:32] We have to stop that.

[29:35] So thank you. I appreciate the time.

[29:37] All right. Any further discussion?

[29:40] We're going to have to take them one at a time.

[29:45] Do we need to take them one at a time or both?

[29:49] Can we take them both at once or one at a time? Motion was for both? Okay.

[29:56] All right. So we'll— Chairman, Yes. Just real quick.

[30:01] There's also another nominee, Quentin Jones.

[30:05] I don't know, is he going to slide in or can we get introduced to him?

[30:10] Quentin is currently on the Planning Commission.

[30:13] Oh, okay.

[30:14] He's a renewal.

[30:15] Yes. He's being reappointed.

[30:17] Okay. Thank you very much. All right. So the motion was both.

[30:21] We'll vote on that if there's no further discussion.

[30:24] Please vote.

[30:26] Hold on. Commissioner Bauld.

[30:29] I just— I'm not sure it's fair to continue with both of them since there is a

[30:35] question about one. I would ask that maybe we split them up.

[30:40] I'll make a motion that we split them up. I got to deal with— I got it.

[30:47] You can amend the motion. But so you want to make an amendment to the motion?

[30:53] Yes, sir.

[30:54] That we do it one at a time?

[30:56] Yes.

[30:56] Do I have a second? By Commissioner Haines. All right.

[31:01] So the motion is— the amendment is to vote on them one at a time.

[31:07] It's been properly— it's been properly motioned and seconded.

[31:12] Is there any discussion on that?

[31:17] No.

[31:17] Seeing none, we'll vote.

[31:21] We're voting on the amendment to take

[31:27] them one at a time.

[31:42] Gary, just to say something.

[31:43] Commissioner Stovall.

[31:44] Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[31:50] I have some concerns here.

[31:53] We just got information from our attorney, right?

[31:56] And he said it was okay for us to do both at the same time.

[32:00] He's the legal authority for this body here, right, tonight, I think.

[32:05] Supposedly, and I know because we hired him to do our legal So I think we need to

[32:10] take his advice. You know, I'm not a lawyer and I'm not an attorney,

[32:15] but we're supposed to take his advice.

[32:17] I think we ought to take his advice and go forward. Thank you, Chairman.

[32:22] Commissioner— I mean, Attorney Dobies.

[32:25] Thank you, Chairman.

[32:27] Yeah, I— these are appointments by the mayor, so it's an up or down vote.

[32:31] There's no nominations that can be accepted, of course.

[32:35] It's up to the Commission, but, you know, just practically speaking,

[32:39] if there is a question of one or the other,

[32:42] it probably would make sense to do them separate.

[32:45] It's probably, you know, practically speaking, the easiest way to weigh it out,

[32:50] but it's up to the Commission.

[32:52] So it's up to however they want to motion it or action it.

[32:56] So we have an amendment.

[32:58] To amend the motion to take them one at a time,

[33:03] it's been seconded. Is there any further discussion?

[33:08] No.

[33:10] Seeing none, we'll vote.

[33:11] Please vote.

[33:14] Voting on the amendment to take them one at a time.

[33:31] 14 aye, 7 no, 1 abstain.

[33:33] 14 aye, 7 no, 1 abstain. All right.

[33:37] So we will take them one at a time.

[33:40] And the way I have them, the first one is Quentin Jones.

[33:46] So we'll be voting on Quentin Jones.

[33:50] We have to vote on the motion as amended. First, right? No? Okay.

[33:57] So we'll be voting on Quentin Jones.

[34:01] She can bring their

[34:07] name—

[34:09] his name right back

[34:15] next time.

[34:19] Okay.

[34:45] We do have to vote on this as well. Okay.

[34:48] Yes, Danny, we do have to vote that we're voting on the amended motion.

[34:53] Yeah, we have to vote on the motion as amended.

[34:57] So we'll be voting on that, the motion as amended,

[35:01] that we take them one at a time.

[35:03] I thought we just did that before.

[35:06] Huh?

[35:07] I thought we just did that.

[35:12] You voted on the amendment, and then you got to vote to amend the—

[35:17] vote on the amended motion.

[35:20] Okay, just to appease me,

[35:22] you won't let me do anything,

[35:25] so you vote a second time.

[35:28] Okay, thank you. Yeah, so we're voting on the motion as amended.

[36:03] 16 aye, 6 no.

[36:05] So that passes with 16

[36:13] aye and 6 no. So now we

[36:21] will be voting on

[36:27] Quentin Jones. Please

[36:35] vote.

[36:50] 22 ayes.

[36:53] That passes with 22 in the affirmative.

[36:58] Now we'll be voting on Robert Calderero.

[37:03] Aye.

[37:27] Mr. Chairman, stop.

[37:29] Yes, sir. Before we vote. Yes, go ahead, Mr. Stovall.

[37:35] I hate to be delaying and holding up stuff.

[37:38] You know, I'm a person here,

[37:40] I believe in giving everybody a fair shake and a fair chance.

[37:44] You know, and I think that By us not doing that, then we, we're just giving Mr.

[37:48] Calderaro just a, uh, not a good recommendation, not a good concern.

[37:53] And I think we should get everybody a fair shake of everything before we try to pass

[37:58] judgment on them. And for that reason, I think I'm going to support Mr. Calderaro.

[38:03] Thank you, sir. Commissioner Marr.

[38:07] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I also intend to support Robert He may have made mistakes.

[38:12] He may not have made mistakes.

[38:14] Nobody that does anything actually doesn't make mistakes,

[38:18] but he has a wealth of knowledge on this subject,

[38:21] and I have attended enough Planning Commission meetings to know that

[38:25] Commission meetings to know that knowledge,

[38:26] that kind of knowledge, is a little bit thin on the ground there,

[38:30] and we need all of it we can get. So I will be supporting Robert.

[38:34] I don't think Robert has ever done anything really out of line or dishonest,

[38:39] so I have faith in him. Thank you.

[38:41] Thank you. Anyone else? We'll vote.

[38:46] Please

[38:53] vote.

[39:00] 16 aye,

[39:09] 6 no.

[39:15] That passes with 16 in the affirmative, 6 no.

[39:19] All right, we'll move on to 09-2608,

[39:22] appointment of Senior Engineer Matthew— how you say your name, sir?

[39:28] Pfeiffer.

[39:29] Pfeiffer. Pfeiffer as interim director to building and zoning. Mayor Butt?

[39:36] Yes, Matthew has been in there a short time. He is very knowledgeable.

[39:41] He's an engineer. He will be able to answer the questions.

[39:45] I know he is very thorough and will look at everything closely.

[39:50] So for our interim, I do recommend Matthew Pfeiffer. Thank you.

[39:54] All right. I need a motion. Commissioner Hestla.

[39:58] Seconded by Commissioner Cohen.

[40:00] Is there any discussion on this one?

[40:02] No.

[40:03] Seeing none, we'll vote.

[40:05] Please

[40:10] vote.

[40:15] 22

[40:16] ayes.

[40:21] That passes with 22 ayes. Affirmative.

[40:24] 09-2609, appointment of 3 members to the Audit Committee,

[40:29] is going to be deferred to October.

[40:32] Uh, 2610, appointment of one member to the Civil Service Board.

[40:38] Uh, I have the name of Debbie Notley. Uh, Commissioner Markham? You didn't? Okay.

[40:45] All right, that's the mayor's appointment.

[40:48] All right, it's got his name on it, that's why I asked.

[40:53] Um, so can I get a motion for that?

[40:56] Motion by Commissioner Strand, seconded by Commissioner Morrow. Any discussion?

[41:03] Any public comment? Seeing none, we'll vote.

[41:06] Please

[41:11] vote.

[41:21] 22 ayes.

[41:22] That passes with 22 in the affirmative.

[41:25] Appointment of 2 members to the Ethics Board, that's 09-26-11.

[41:29] I have Cindy Hestla and Winston Harlan. Mayor Butt, those are your appointments?

[41:35] Yes, they are.

[41:36] Can I get a motion? I have a motion

[41:43] by Commissioner Romesburg,

[41:48] seconded by Commissioner Brothers.

[41:54] Any discussion on that one or any

[42:01] public comment? Seeing none,

[42:06] we'll vote. Please vote.

[42:18] 22 aye.

[42:19] That passes with 22 in the affirmative.

[42:22] I have 09-26-12, announcement of 2 vacancies to the Civil Service Board due

[42:27] vacancies to the Civil Service Board due to the

[42:27] resignation of Tim Holt and Wayne Romesburg. That's just an announcement.

[42:32] 09-26-13 is an announcement of 1 member's term expiring on the Park Board.

[42:37] That is just an announcement. I will now take a motion to accept the consent

[42:43] take a motion to accept the consent agenda.

[42:43] I have Commissioner Sumners, seconded by Commissioner Kuzawinski.

[42:47] Is there any discussion on this one? Commissioner Cohen?

[42:51] Yes, I would like to make a motion

[42:56] to— let me see, let me find it,

[43:00] sorry.

[43:10] The—

[43:11] sorry, Mr.

[43:12] Chair. That's okay.

[43:14] I lost it. The plan that Doug has coming up on

[43:21] the agenda, it's all slipped in there somewhere.

[43:28] It's not on the consent item.

[43:30] That's not a consent item?

[43:30] It's not on the consent, no, sir. Okay. All right.

[43:38] My bad.

[43:38] You good? Okay. Okay. Commissioner Marr. Yes, sir.

[43:43] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[43:45] I would respectfully request again, because I have asked for this before,

[43:48] anytime we have a membership on a board expiring,

[43:51] can we please put the name of the person who's expiring in the,

[43:54] in the agenda of the meeting?

[43:56] Okay.

[43:57] Thank you.

[43:57] All right. Thank you. Who was the motion?

[44:02] So I have a motion by Commissioner Sumners,

[44:07] seconded by Commissioner Kuzawinski.

[44:11] Commissioner Barnes.

[44:16] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[44:19] I'd like to request that 09-2635

[44:24] resolution All right.

[44:29] I have a motion to remove 09-26-35 from the consent agenda. Is there a second?

[44:36] You don't need a motion for that.

[44:37] Don't need it?

[44:38] It just takes one person to move it.

[44:39] All right. Well, we're moving it off then. Where are we going to put it?

[44:45] Between 34 and—

[44:46] Yeah, between 34 and 36.

[44:54] Okay. We'll be voting on the consent agenda. Commissioner Cohen?

[44:58] Yes, sir. On here we have 09-26-34,

[45:02] resolution for accepting the approved proposed

[45:07] strategic plan.

[45:08] That's not on the consent agenda.

[45:11] Okay.

[45:12] I'm sorry.

[45:12] Okay. All right. We'll vote on the consent agenda.

[45:17] Please vote.

[45:32] 22 aye.

[45:33] That passes with 22 in the

[45:39] affirmative. 092621,

[45:44] Attorney Dobies.

[45:48] Hello.

[45:54] Okay, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[45:56] 092621 is a resolution approving a budget amendment moving funds for the Murray

[45:59] County Parks Department for receipt of funds from the Tennessee Agriculture

[46:02] Enhancement Program grant.

[46:04] I have a motion by Commissioner Markham,

[46:06] seconded by Commissioner Brothers. Any discussion on this one?

[46:10] Seeing none, we'll vote.

[46:12] Please vote. 22 ayes.

[46:19] That passes with 22 in the affirmative. 092622, Attorney Dobies.

[46:26] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[46:27] 092622 is a resolution approving a budget amendment to move funds for the Murray

[46:30] County Emergency Management Department for the purchase of land for Project

[46:34] Guardian.

[46:37] I got a motion by Commissioner Hestla, seconded by Commissioner Holt.

[46:42] Any discussion? Seeing none, we'll vote.

[46:44] Please

[46:50] vote.

[46:54] 22

[46:56] ayes.

[47:01] That passes with 22 in the affirmative. 09-2629, Attorney Dobies.

[47:05] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[47:07] 09-2629 is a resolution approving acceptance of a bid for the Murray County

[47:10] acceptance of a bid for the Murray County Highway

[47:11] Department for a bridge repair project on Monsanto Road.

[47:13] I have a motion by Commissioner Markham, seconded by Commissioner Hessler.

[47:18] Is there any discussion on that one? Seeing none, we'll vote.

[47:21] Please vote.

[47:30] That passes with 22 in the affirmative. 09-2630, Attorney Dobbs.

[47:36] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[47:37] Uh, 09-2630 is a resolution approving the hiring of a senior accountant above the

[47:41] first quartile for the Murray County Finance Department.

[47:43] I got a motion by Commissioner Green,

[47:50] seconded by Commissioner Strand.

[47:55] Is there any discussion on this one?

[48:01] Seeing none, we'll vote. Please vote.

[48:08] 22 ayes.

[48:09] Passes with 22 in the affirmative. 092631, Attorney Dobies.

[48:14] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[48:16] Uh, 092631 is a resolution amending the 2026-2027 school general purpose fund

[48:21] budget.

[48:25] Don't everybody raise your hand at once.

[48:27] Commissioner Hollinsworth and Commissioner Green, any, any discussion?

[48:32] No.

[48:32] Seeing none, we'll vote. Please vote.

[48:54] 21 aye, 1 abstain.

[48:55] That passes with 21 in the affirmative, 1 abstention. Uh, 092632, Attorney Dobies.

[49:03] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[49:04] 092632 is a resolution approving a budget amendment for the Murray County Trustee

[49:09] for the premium on surety bond.

[49:11] I have a motion by Commissioner Strand, seconded by Commissioner Brothers.

[49:15] Any discussion on this one? Seeing none, we'll vote.

[49:18] Please

[49:23] vote.

[49:27] 22 aye.

[49:31] That passes with 22 in the affirmative. 09-2633, Attorney Dobies.

[49:37] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[49:38] 09-2633 is a resolution approving a budget amendment for the line item adjustment

[49:42] for the Murray County Sheriff's Department for the mental health transport grant

[49:46] budget.

[49:46] I got a motion by Commissioner Green, seconded by Commissioner— what's her name?

[49:54] Phillips. Phillips.

[49:55] Commissioner Phillips. Thank you. All right. Any discussion?

[50:00] Seeing none, we'll vote.

[50:02] Please vote.

[50:19] 22 aye. That passes with 22 in the affirmative. 092634, Attorney Dobies.

[50:27] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[50:28] 092634 is a resolution accepting and approving the proposed strategic plan

[50:32] approving the proposed strategic plan document

[50:32] as the official strategic plan for Murray County, Tennessee.

[50:38] Commissioner Kuzawinski, seconded by Commissioner Romsberg.

[50:42] Is there any discussion on this one? Commissioner Cohen.

[50:46] Yes, sir. Trying to review this 40-page document has been—

[50:52] it's a lot when you're trying to do it in a couple days.

[50:59] I feel like that this needs to go back to committee.

[51:02] I make a motion to send it back to committee.

[51:04] I think more discussion needs to be had on this.

[51:06] Maybe a little more in-depth discussion on the framework. It's a good framework.

[51:10] It looks good, but I think there's more discussion that needs to be had.

[51:14] We don't have a second.

[51:20] Can I get a second for that? Seconded by Commissioner Marr.

[51:26] So it's been motioned to amend it to send it back to the Planning Committee.

[51:33] We'll vote on the amendment. Commissioner Sumners. Admin? Thank you, Mr.

[51:40] Chairman. Go back to admin.

[51:43] This actually came through budget committee.

[51:45] So it'll go back to budget.

[51:46] And, you know, we discussed this the

[51:53] other night at budget and It's a

[51:58] start.

[51:59] Yeah.

[52:02] You know, it's not something that's set in stone.

[52:05] It's a— I think somebody put it this way—

[52:07] it's a dynamic plan. So that means it changes and can change.

[52:12] And it can change with any input that anyone has here, a commissioner,

[52:17] department head, if a goal changes, if a goal is met.

[52:22] It's just a start.

[52:26] I think we need to, to go ahead and approve this.

[52:30] And then, you know, as things do come up, if things change, if we want to make,

[52:37] make changes, we can make changes anytime we want to.

[52:41] Uh, just has to be on the agenda for, for a discussion for that.

[52:46] So, uh, it is a start. It's not totally, uh, a finished document.

[52:51] Okay.

[52:52] Because it's, it's a, it's a plan.

[52:54] Plans change all the time.

[52:56] Uh, I tell you what,

[52:58] it's a hell of a lot better than the one we had in 2018 and 2019, that's for sure.

[53:05] So, uh, I, I think we need to go ahead and just, and,

[53:09] and approve this tonight and, and make changes as we need to.

[53:14] Thank you.

[53:15] Thank you. Uh, Commissioner Romesburg.

[53:19] I agree with— there it goes.

[53:27] I agree with Commissioner Sumner there that this is a living document,

[53:30] just like the Constitution. It can be changed.

[53:34] It's a beginning.

[53:35] You have to always start somewhere. This is the first stepping stone.

[53:39] We need to pass this tonight.

[53:41] Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Haynes.

[53:43] Thank you, Chairman.

[53:44] I am on the Budget Committee,

[53:46] and what I understood was there was going to be input from the commission.

[53:50] So if we send it back to the Budget Committee,

[53:52] where will the input from all the commissioners come? Like, how will that

[53:56] commissioners come? Like, how will that happen?

[53:56] And that, that's what my question is.

[53:58] If we approve it tonight, then the entire committee can still put input on it.

[54:02] Is that correct?

[54:03] Yes.

[54:03] Okay. So I feel like, as Commissioner Sumner said,

[54:06] approving it tonight and everybody working on it is more productive than sending it

[54:11] back to budget. We're stalled again and got to send it back.

[54:15] Okay. Any further discussion?

[54:19] Commissioner Brothers.

[54:26] It's like a Lite-Brite.

[54:28] Hey, thank you, Chair.

[54:29] I just wanted to add a quick comment.

[54:32] I am in agreement with all the comments, actually.

[54:35] I agree it's a lot to read,

[54:36] but what I would caution people on is once things go back into the committee washing

[54:41] cycle. Sometimes it is months and years to get something back out.

[54:45] I would think that the comprehensive land use plan would be a great example of that.

[54:50] I don't mind the comment about having specific measurables in there.

[54:54] I think a lot of things we can get from Murray Alliance and maybe do better,

[54:59] and I will take that up myself.

[55:00] But as far as the strategic plan that Doug and the directors and the mayor have put

[55:05] together, I I'm going to stand behind it.

[55:08] Thank you. All right. Any further discussion?

[55:13] Seeing none, we'll vote on the amendment to send this back to Budget

[55:21] Committee. You're voting to either—

[55:25] the amendment is to send it back to Budget Committee, so if it passes,

[55:33] it will go back to Budget, but if it fails,

[55:38] we will go back to the original resolution.

[55:43] So you're voting on the amendment to send it back to budget.

[55:49] That passes— I mean, that fails with 3 ayes and 19 nos.

[55:55] So we'll go back to the original Motion, and that was, uh,

[56:02] to approve the land use plan? No, the strategic plan. Strategic plan.

[56:10] All right, is there any further discussion on that? Any public comment?

[56:18] Mr. Gramley.

[56:24] Um, I'm guessing you're going to pass this anyway,

[56:28] but I want to just for the record, there's no mention of ethics.

[56:32] Again, another elephant in the room.

[56:35] There's been a massive ethics problem in this county. Where is the accountability?

[56:41] Where is that? What— why is my ethics complaint not answered?

[56:45] Why is Teresa Sparks' ethics complaint not answered?

[56:49] How can that not be included in the strategic plan?

[56:52] We're just going to say, oh, people do whatever they want.

[56:56] And then that begs the question of accountability. Everybody just gets a

[57:02] accountability. Everybody just gets a do-over.

[57:02] There's theoretically—

[57:04] this county is liable for tens of millions of dollars if you sit down and do the

[57:09] math. This isn't 6th grade. It's not, you know, peewee Baseball.

[57:14] There are people that are suffering out there over on Double Branch and numerous

[57:20] other places. This isn't a joke. It's not funny. It shouldn't be taken so casually.

[57:25] This strategic plan should have something in there about ethics at the very least.

[57:31] Regarding the IT plan, it's a complete joke. It's an absolute disgrace.

[57:36] There's no mention of a business continuity plan,

[57:40] no mention of a disaster recovery plan.

[57:42] Mr.

[57:43] No mention of a written information security plan. I mean, there's no KPIs.

[57:48] It's a joke. Absolute— absolutely ridiculous.

[57:51] If this was in corporate America, this would never fly.

[57:54] People would be fired over this. We've got to start taking this stuff seriously.

[57:59] Sooner or later, something really bad is going to happen if we don't wake up and

[58:04] make a change. I know you guys are probably going to pass it, but these

[58:09] probably going to pass it, but these things,

[58:09] the ethics, The public records request process that I have repeatedly come in

[58:14] process that I have repeatedly come in this

[58:15] room and talked about.

[58:16] It's ridiculous that the IT guy apparently just gives it to the subject of the

[58:21] request who fulfills it.

[58:22] And then I get, I get somebody call me up and say, hey,

[58:26] so-and-so who I was asking about called me and said, what is this about?

[58:31] The subject of a public records request called a person asking?

[58:35] That's like intimidation. It's ridiculous.

[58:37] Thank you.

[58:42] Oh,

[58:43] Miss Green.

[58:49] Commissioner Green. If Doug wants to speak before I do, that's fine.

[58:57] My concern is that we do something with this plan because in the past it's been

[59:02] this plan because in the past it's been put

[59:03] on a shelf. And there's never any discussion about it.

[59:06] We need to put this in front of admin and let's have discussions on some of these

[59:12] topics that have been brought up or concerns. We just can't shelve it.

[59:17] That's my comment.

[59:19] All right. Doug.

[59:21] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thanks, Bill.

[59:24] So, yeah, as I stated at the Budget Committee meeting, this is a start,

[59:30] and additionally, you know, these are some long-term goals that, you know,

[59:36] we want to establish as a community and then gain more input.

[59:41] So, this plan should not be looked at as, yeah,

[59:45] this is Murray County's financial plan and it's not going to change for 5 years.

[59:52] This is a plan that needs worked on right after we approve it.

[59:57] Right.

[59:58] And so input from the County Commission, an updated questionnaire,

[1:00:03] strategic goals that have things that are SMART goals, basically.

[1:00:07] They give timelines. They show more than just the tactics that are in here.

[1:00:13] Those are improvements that can be made to this plan and will be made to this plan,

[1:00:19] along with gathering input from department heads,

[1:00:22] different types of input than the questionnaires provided.

[1:00:27] And in Bringing in more community input on it as well as our citizens.

[1:00:32] So this is just, as it was stated in the Budget Committee,

[1:00:36] this is a first step and something that we didn't have to pay $211,000 for,

[1:00:42] which is what we were quoted. So we can start from here and move forward.

[1:00:47] Additionally, if there were questions between when it was presented and today,

[1:00:53] I was happy to answer them.

[1:00:55] Thank you.

[1:00:55] And I'm happy to answer them after this point too, Mr. Chairman.

[1:00:58] All right.

[1:00:59] And thank you all.

[1:00:59] Commissioner Ronsberger. I reckon this is a question for the attorney, Mark.

[1:01:06] Okay.

[1:01:06] If we pass this, any,

[1:01:07] any committee can bring it up and make any additions or corrections, correct?

[1:01:13] Additions, subtractions, whatever we need to do to it, right?

[1:01:18] That's correct. Thank you. Yeah, it's— yes, sir.

[1:01:21] And it's a very— it is a It's a, it's a set of— it's, uh,

[1:01:24] it's very open-ended in what it does, and it doesn't,

[1:01:28] it doesn't prohibit this committee or from any committee enacting it, you know,

[1:01:33] in via resolution or changing the policy at any time. I appreciate that.

[1:01:37] Any further discussion? Commissioner Sumners.

[1:01:40] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[1:01:41] You know what we, what we talked about at the Budget Committee meeting the other

[1:01:45] night, Doug, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I may have even brought it up,

[1:01:49] but we would, we would be revisiting this before budget season starts and

[1:01:53] potentially as early every year, as early as October, November,

[1:01:57] because we don't meet in December. I believe I actually— It was discussed.

[1:02:01] It was discussed.

[1:02:02] So every year, I mean,

[1:02:04] we will be revisiting this plan and even throughout the year if we need to,

[1:02:10] for sure. But we definitely will be meeting— excuse me,

[1:02:15] revisiting this every year for budgetary purposes as well,

[1:02:20] because it does coincide with some monetary items as well as how we budget in

[1:02:26] monetary items as well as how we budget in the

[1:02:27] future and right now, too. So, you know, there's really no rush here.

[1:02:33] We're—

[1:02:34] it's a—

[1:02:35] like Mr. Romesburg said, it's a living, breathing document here.

[1:02:40] So, we, you know, we—

[1:02:42] I feel pretty confident we're going to, you know,

[1:02:44] address other issues that need to be addressed that's not in—

[1:02:48] that's not necessarily in the plan.

[1:02:50] So we'll take care of that,

[1:02:52] and we'll have year-end discussions on what we were able to accomplish and what

[1:02:57] what we were able to accomplish and what we

[1:02:57] weren't able to accomplish and what needs to be pushed another year or 2 or however

[1:03:03] the funding for those types of things goes.

[1:03:06] So we'll be able to do all those types of things for sure. But thank you, Mr.

[1:03:11] Chairman, for letting me speak one more time. I appreciate that.

[1:03:14] Commissioner Markham.

[1:03:15] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[1:03:21] My thoughts are ethics and integrity are core values.

[1:03:25] The strategic plan is more of a vision and a plan of how to get to

[1:03:31] that vision, but we should all have ethics and integrity as part

[1:03:36] of our core.

[1:03:38] That's all I want to say.

[1:03:39] Thank you. All right. Any other discussion? Commissioner Barnes?

[1:03:45] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[1:03:47] I agree a lot with a lot of the comments that have been said here tonight about

[1:03:52] that have been said here tonight about this

[1:03:53] specific subject, and one that stands out to me is Commissioner Green and the term

[1:03:59] using shelving.

[1:04:01] I agree.

[1:04:02] If this is shelved, It really keeps us in a stagnant nature of moving forward to a

[1:04:08] more evolving document that this commission can use and that this county

[1:04:14] commission can use and that this county can look at

[1:04:14] as a strategic plan.

[1:04:16] Moving forward also helps us in an ending document of ethics where we can change and

[1:04:22] move towards something that we can all understand is a direction.

[1:04:27] And I agree, a lot of questions I think need to be asked of what's on those

[1:04:32] questionnaires. I've gone through those questionnaires, I've read them myself.

[1:04:38] Some of the answers may have been confusing or may have not aligned with the

[1:04:43] confusing or may have not aligned with the answers

[1:04:44] of a previous question, but one thing is sure,

[1:04:47] a lot of work and a lot of time has been put into those,

[1:04:51] and real change doesn't necessarily come from holding things back.

[1:04:56] Sometimes it comes from moving things forward to make sure that the right change

[1:05:02] occurs. That's my 2 cents.

[1:05:03] Thank you. Doug?

[1:05:05] Thank you for indulging me one more time, Mr. Chairman.

[1:05:09] This is the last time I'll speak.

[1:05:11] The important part of this plan is also the monitoring and assessment of it.

[1:05:16] So really, the plan would be this fall to further develop it so that it's ready for

[1:05:21] budget. And then monitor and assess our performance against what we've built over

[1:05:27] the year after that, um,

[1:05:28] and continuously kind of take a look at that as we develop and improve our

[1:05:33] that as we develop and improve our metrics.

[1:05:33] So, um, if it sits on a shelf and no one looks at it and nobody works towards those

[1:05:39] goals, failure. If we don't monitor and assess where we are as a,

[1:05:43] as a group and make changes and adapt, failure.

[1:05:46] But, um, one of the things that I think is best about this strategic plan is it

[1:05:51] didn't come from a consultant.

[1:05:53] Right.

[1:05:54] Out of Alabama. It didn't come from a consultant out of New York.

[1:05:58] It came from the the team that works and lives in it every day, and you know,

[1:06:03] and that's that's the starting point, and everybody was invested in it.

[1:06:08] When we tried using a consultant before, I was like,

[1:06:12] this person's coming in asking questions.

[1:06:14] I have to teach them first what the sheriff's department does before we get an

[1:06:20] actual usable document, and then.

[1:06:22] Like Commissioner Green had said, it sits on a shelf somewhere.

[1:06:26] So I think this is an organic start to it and it gets everybody's buy-in.

[1:06:31] And I can't wait to—

[1:06:33] from a department head level and then this fall from everybody else's level.

[1:06:38] So I'm excited about what it could be and to keep the ball rolling.

[1:06:42] Okay. Any— Commissioner Stovall? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[1:06:46] I spoke more tonight than I have in 16 years, but I'm just—

[1:06:50] I'm going to be done. Um, I think it's a good plan to move forward.

[1:06:55] We can always make changes to it and,

[1:06:57] and address the issues that everybody have about this plan.

[1:07:01] But like, if we send this back, what's going to happen is going to end up bam,

[1:07:06] going to happen is going to end up bam, gone,

[1:07:06] and we ain't going to have anything. So I say we just move it forward.

[1:07:11] Thank you, Chairman.

[1:07:13] All right, any further discussion?

[1:07:17] Seeing none, we'll vote. Commissioner Baul.

[1:07:23] Yes, sir. I appreciate that, Mr. Chairman.

[1:07:29] I've reviewed this proposal really close.

[1:07:32] Lots of work put into it, and I think it's a great plan.

[1:07:36] But I do have a concern about urgency as far as the technology goes.

[1:07:42] Throughout the document and the questionnaires,

[1:07:46] it's over and over again about technology,

[1:07:50] the need to review and to revise and to upgrade and modernize.

[1:07:56] And I know that's something that the, you know,

[1:08:00] the bad guys are all over technology.

[1:08:03] And this is something that I hope that we will address.

[1:08:08] Thank you.

[1:08:09] That, I guess that would probably be the admin committee that would address the

[1:08:16] technology, but the part about needing new technology and needing to address it is

[1:08:23] very clear, so I'd just like to make that a point. Any further discussion?

[1:08:29] Seeing none, we'll vote.

[1:08:42] 20 ayes, 2 nos.

[1:08:44] That passes with 20 ayes and 2 nos.

[1:08:46] We're going to take a short break, be back in here at 8:10. So thank you.

[1:09:51] That's why I said I couldn't walk

[1:09:58] around. That's right.

[1:10:03] Remember when we used to have

[1:10:09] 24-hour Walmarts?

[1:10:13] Those were

[1:10:20] the days.

[1:10:26] Call for

[1:10:32] questions.

[1:10:39] Hey, do you want me to speak less from the podium?

[1:10:43] You don't speak much.

[1:10:45] I try to only speak when I need to.

[1:10:48] Gary's right, he tickled me this morning.

[1:10:51] I spoke for 16 minutes.

[1:10:54] Yeah,

[1:10:57] I'm gonna tell

[1:11:06] that to the

[1:11:13] media.

[1:11:16] You're the new

[1:11:25] woman.

[1:11:29] That's what I

[1:11:37] was going to

[1:11:44] ask.

[1:11:47] Would it change anything?

[1:11:49] I think it's

[1:11:57] a question

[1:12:04] Well,

[1:12:08] I think Mark

[1:12:16] will tell

[1:12:22] you,

[1:12:25] our attorney,

[1:12:33] that if it

[1:12:40] was going to

[1:12:48] change

[1:12:52] anything,

[1:12:59] you know, uh,

[1:13:07] Yes, ma'am.

[1:13:15] She wants to put something

[1:13:22] in. That's a first in my

[1:13:29] life. How's everything

[1:13:35] going? It's going. Lots of

[1:13:42] stuff. I've been telling

[1:13:49] everybody about the trap,

[1:13:56] uh, release with the cats.

[1:14:03] Good.

[1:14:04] I've been trying to get the word out. Good. I appreciate that.

[1:14:10] That's what our little, uh, resumption is about,

[1:14:14] because if they've never experienced a cat— Once you see a cat colony,

[1:14:20] you know it's like the worst.

[1:14:23] I had a cat this morning I had to euthanize that ate We need to test that if

[1:14:30] somebody speaks right in here, can— yeah, it is. Yeah, I mean, can you hear me?

[1:14:37] Yeah, they can hear all over this room.

[1:14:41] And we're gonna have to tell people to speak into that microphone.

[1:14:47] I mean, if we turned it that way and people spoke into the mic.

[1:14:53] So who up here can say that? I'm going to if I have to. The chair should.

[1:14:59] The chair should, yeah.

[1:15:02] I worked in IT in my past before I moved back to Murray County. One of us.

[1:15:08] If I had hired somebody in a different position after they quit in the middle of

[1:15:16] position after they quit in the middle of a

[1:15:16] big project, they would have hired someone else. Because it's mine. I'm just saying.

[1:15:23] That's just That's my 2 cents.

[1:15:26] But, well, I don't know because he didn't— I mean, like, I guess, but I just don't—

[1:15:34] I think if he wanted them, I don't know.

[1:15:38] I just don't— I know I would have been fired at my job and I've had— that's just—

[1:15:45] and I just hate to feel like that.

[1:15:48] But that, that just— that's the only decision that alarms me,

[1:15:54] and that's only because I worked in a job where they scrutinized your moves like

[1:16:01] that. I guess I just have a hard time.

[1:16:05] We can—

[1:16:05] but yeah, I love you no matter— we're gonna disagree. We disagreed.

[1:16:10] I love you no matter what, but I just— it concerns me that That particular—

[1:16:15] and I'm only saying that because I remember, like,

[1:16:19] in my corporate job where people were like, what in the heck?

[1:16:24] Like, you know, I've made decisions and people were like,

[1:16:28] what in the heck were you thinking?

[1:16:30] Yeah, well, in art, like, we can— No, I think I'm just more concerned with like,

[1:16:36] well, like why even have it?

[1:16:38] Like the reliability of the timing of it quitting after that whole debacle, that,

[1:16:44] that there's just the timing of the quit.

[1:16:47] Like, but other than that, I think everything's great.

[1:16:51] But that was just really like the time. And he's a nice person.

[1:16:56] I don't have a problem with him personally.

[1:16:59] I just, I know like in my, like,

[1:17:01] but whenever I've had jobs and I've I made a weird decision.

[1:17:06] It was just like, no, like, you know,

[1:17:09] people like were hard on me about it just because of the timing of it, I guess.

[1:17:14] But I'm like, I don't know. But I'm also not a Taurus.

[1:22:16] Not just county government, but also the people that reside here.

[1:22:19] There was some language that, that I had spoken with Mr.

[1:22:22] Dobies about, and he's done such a good job in researching this,

[1:22:25] and I just have to applaud the hard work that he's put in because it's a lot of

[1:22:29] that he's put in because it's a lot of time

[1:22:29] that he spent looking at these things with some of the,

[1:22:32] the questions that would come up with the 6th Circuit Court rulings that we have and

[1:22:36] those type of things. But I'd like for Mr.

[1:22:38] Dobies to, to read over what he's amended the document to.

[1:22:54] I have a motion and a second. So you're asking him a question?

[1:22:58] Yeah, go ahead. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[1:23:01] So as discussed, I talked with Commissioner Barnes at length about it,

[1:23:05] and he expressed support and then also some concerns for privately owned animals,

[1:23:10] basically. So the TNR program,

[1:23:12] as Kim can state far more eloquently than me with a lot more education, is it's,

[1:23:17] it's about making, making sure that overpopulation is controlled.

[1:23:21] It's an immense burden on Murray County resources, and these, these poor animals,

[1:23:26] as was described in public comment, are often subject to a lot of either, you

[1:23:31] often subject to a lot of either, you know,

[1:23:31] mistreatment or malnourishment and all these sorts of things,

[1:23:35] it becomes a huge problem. TNR is a basically ubiquitous thing statewide.

[1:23:39] It's very successful in other counties, and I think it's wise and prudent.

[1:23:44] Of course, it's up to this body to adopt.

[1:23:46] That said, I spoke to Commissioner Barnes,

[1:23:49] and then there are others who expressed concerns as well to make sure that people

[1:23:54] who owned animals weren't subject to TNR if they didn't want that to happen.

[1:23:58] Basically, let's say they have an animal and, you know, by accident or

[1:24:03] and, you know, by accident or happenstance,

[1:24:04] the animal gets picked up and the owner doesn't want that animal to be spayed or

[1:24:08] neutered, then that's their right. It's their private animal.

[1:24:12] So what we did, and I spoke with Kim, of course, too, as, you know,

[1:24:16] the head on this of the department,

[1:24:18] and Kim and I have worked together on a myriad of things and This is probably the

[1:24:23] biggest one we've worked on. Basically what I added, you know, pursuant to Mr.

[1:24:28] Barnes' recommendations, were these protections for these privately owned

[1:24:33] protections for these privately owned animals.

[1:24:33] In short, there's no sterilization of known privately owned animals without

[1:24:38] authority. The owner has the right to object in writing or verbally if they

[1:24:42] object in writing or verbally if they don't

[1:24:43] want that to occur. There is also an identification review before we do TNR

[1:24:47] processing. I also added pursuant to, you know,

[1:24:50] a couple minutes before this meeting basically, a social media awareness.

[1:24:54] And Kim can probably speak to this better than I can.

[1:24:58] There's already some interesting websites where they put animals up there who are

[1:25:03] already up for adoption. It's kind of cool.

[1:25:05] I didn't know they had like facial recognition for dogs. It's kind of cool.

[1:25:10] Please do.

[1:25:11] Yeah. So one of the things is that we're kind of getting caught in the weeds that

[1:25:15] our standard procedure of animals coming into our shelter is if they're overly

[1:25:20] friendly, and it states right on our trap-neuter-release forms now,

[1:25:24] if an animal is friendly where it is going to be subject to, um,

[1:25:28] where it cannot be an outside cat,

[1:25:30] we would automatically bring that in on a stray hold.

[1:25:34] If it has a collar, we would bring that in on a stray hold.

[1:25:37] Obviously, we would scan for a microchip.

[1:25:40] When I sent out You know, the email to the commissioners.

[1:25:44] We had 1,589 cats that came in last year. 18 were reclaimed. That's 1%.

[1:25:49] And the only reason they were reclaimed is because they were microchipped.

[1:25:53] So we're not looking to go out and, like,

[1:25:56] take people's pets or anything of that nature.

[1:25:59] We're looking to solve a cat situation because they can reproduce 4 to 5 times a

[1:26:05] year. And I think that's a great point.

[1:26:07] year, and it is a drain on taxpayer resources. It also causes a burn.

[1:26:12] It gets into people's—

[1:26:14] into their homes, their foundations.

[1:26:17] Today I was, you know, going to the dentist,

[1:26:19] and when you get out first thing this morning,

[1:26:22] all you can smell is the cats spraying in the morning.

[1:26:26] If you have not been on our website,

[1:26:28] one of the things you should see is that we have—

[1:26:32] if you've lost or you found an animal to go Petco Love Lost.

[1:26:37] It has AI technology. Yes, I agree, technology is all about it.

[1:26:42] And if it recognizes someone in our shelter on a daily basis,

[1:26:46] that the picture comes up and somebody did a report,

[1:26:50] it emails me to get in contact with those people immediately.

[1:26:55] So, you know, if it's somebody's pet, they should have vet records,

[1:27:00] that it's vaccinated and so forth.

[1:27:02] And, you know, really the,

[1:27:04] the purpose of this program is to help the strays and cut down population.

[1:27:10] Williamson County has had this in effect since 2019. It's very, very effective.

[1:27:16] So if anybody else has any questions, I'm happy to answer.

[1:27:20] Commissioner Romesburg.

[1:27:30] Did we amend this motion any way since it came from the consent agenda?

[1:27:37] Was there anything added to this motion?

[1:27:40] Okay, wouldn't we need to amend it then?

[1:27:43] Yes. Okay, Mr. Chairman, I move to amend to the new,

[1:27:48] new version of this amendment.

[1:27:51] I have a motion to amend it to the new version. Is there a second?

[1:27:57] Seconded by Commissioner Barnes. Any discussion? Commissioner Sumners.

[1:28:03] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[1:28:05] What does the amendment do?

[1:28:07] I didn't get a chance to read the—

[1:28:09] what is the amendment? Because I didn't even hear it.

[1:28:14] He sent an email, but he sent it like right during the meeting.

[1:28:17] I'm not going to check my email during the meeting.

[1:28:19] So what does the amendment do? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[1:28:23] Yeah, fair question, Commissioner Summers.

[1:28:26] This was— we basically actioned this over the weekend,

[1:28:30] so forgive me for the timeline. I can read what we have. What's the difference?

[1:28:36] The difference is, and the only difference is, in Section 4,

[1:28:41] it provides protections for privately owned animals to the to the pet owners.

[1:28:46] Okay.

[1:28:49] Yeah.

[1:28:51] Like, well, so the things— some of the things that I listed,

[1:28:55] there's no sterilization without prior authority from the owners.

[1:28:59] There's— the owners may object, just things of that nature.

[1:29:02] I can read the language, whatever you need.

[1:29:05] I mean, there's an identification review before TNR processing,

[1:29:08] which wasn't in there before.

[1:29:10] The social media awareness requirement, which wasn't in there before.

[1:29:14] There's a holding and redemption period.

[1:29:17] Which should be 3 days, because that's the straight law, 3 days.

[1:29:21] Yeah, the current language is 7, based on what I was— 5 days for records of family.

[1:29:26] Yeah, and that can be debated for, you know, what we need to change.

[1:29:30] But there's a written protocol section, and then there's, you know,

[1:29:34] protects the waiver of lawful enforcement, like, you know,

[1:29:38] So it's just strictly in there to make sure that TNR doesn't go beyond the bounds

[1:29:43] and start to infringe on people's private pet rights.

[1:29:47] Okay. So are you okay with this amendment?

[1:29:53] I mean, the whole point of the red—

[1:30:00] we have been doing TNR for, you know, forever.

[1:30:04] But this just sums up and puts into writing what has actually been happening,

[1:30:10] and it actually covers Murray County by having checks and balances.

[1:30:16] I mean, the language that is added does not change it because it's really just

[1:30:22] not change it because it's really just what

[1:30:22] we do anyway. It's—

[1:30:24] and we—

[1:30:24] if we—

[1:30:25] again, if we had a cat with a collar, it would be held on a stray hold.

[1:30:29] If we had an animal that's chipped,

[1:30:32] it would be held for 5 days because that's what the law is.

[1:30:36] And if we had an animal that seemed overly friendly,

[1:30:39] we would hold it on a stray hold and then just fix it in 3 days versus right away.

[1:30:45] Is this amendment going to, I guess,

[1:30:48] prevent you from doing your job in a timely manner? I can work with it.

[1:30:52] It's not ideal, but I mean, I'd rather see it pass.

[1:30:56] Okay, then tell us why it's not ideal for you.

[1:30:58] Because majority of the time, the animals that come in are not friendly.

[1:31:03] They're coming in traps for a reason.

[1:31:06] The whole purpose of the TNR is to trap, neuter, and release it out that day.

[1:31:11] But again, we have provisions, and if, you know, the language helps it pass,

[1:31:16] it works for me because we would have did that anyway.

[1:31:19] Okay, so it does— it does— it will be okay? It will be okay. All right, thank

[1:31:24] okay? It will be okay. All right, thank you.

[1:31:25] Any other discussion on the amendment?

[1:31:30] Seeing none, we'll vote on the amendment.

[1:31:36] I didn't—

[1:31:38] we didn't get a second.

[1:31:39] Did we not get a— can I get a second?

[1:31:44] Commissioner Cohen. I think we did,

[1:31:49] but—

[1:31:50] I don't know. Barnes did. That's true.

[1:31:53] Was it Barnes or Coen?

[1:31:55] Yeah, originally. Barnes made the motion.

[1:32:01] Yeah, he did.

[1:32:03] Barnes made the motion and Coen seconded it.

[1:32:06] Yes.

[1:32:09] Commissioner

[1:32:18] Morrow.

[1:32:23] 21 aye, 1 no.

[1:32:26] All right. That's 21 in the affirmative with 1 no. So the amendment passes.

[1:32:31] So we'll now vote on the amendment— the motion as amended. Any discussion on that?

[1:32:37] Seeing none, we'll vote.

[1:32:39] Please

[1:32:43] vote.

[1:32:46] 22 ayes.

[1:32:51] That passes with 22 in the affirmative. Uh, 09-2636, Mr. Dobies.

[1:32:58] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[1:33:00] Resolution 092636 is a resolution of the Murray County Board of Commissioners to

[1:33:07] amend the official zoning map rezoning taps map 021,

[1:33:11] parcel 052.00 and parcel 054.00 to include a non-residential planned development

[1:33:17] rural retreat commonly known as Snow Creek Ranch containing approximately 245.29

[1:33:23] acres.

[1:33:24] I got a motion by Commissioner Combs,

[1:33:27] seconded by Commissioner Kuzawinski.

[1:33:29] Is there any discussion on this one? Is there any public comment?

[1:33:34] No.

[1:33:35] No. We'll vote.

[1:33:36] Please vote.

[1:33:37] Chad, you have a comment?

[1:33:41] I had a question. Okay,

[1:33:45] go ahead.

[1:33:47] And the question was, have all the stipulations been met?

[1:33:49] Because they had a list of things that they were supposed to accomplish.

[1:34:25] Wayne, can you turn your mic on?

[1:34:26] Testing. Oh, there it goes. Uh, Kelsey McGee, T-Square Engineering.

[1:34:31] I'm here representing the applicant for this project, um, as the design engineer.

[1:34:36] Um, so most of the items, um, that were listed from Planning Commission, um,

[1:34:42] have either been addressed either in conversation,

[1:34:45] or many of them are just by nature going to be addressed in the construction

[1:34:51] process. And the development of the construction document and design process.

[1:34:56] And they will align with the regulations in place here in the county.

[1:35:01] And there have been some conversations with staff to ensure that they are met in

[1:35:07] hand with what is reasonable for the development,

[1:35:10] such as the pond specifically and fire protection standards that we are certainly

[1:35:16] going to abide by as well and thoroughly as we can for the property.

[1:35:20] Is that it, Commissioner Green? Commissioner Romesburg.

[1:35:27] I've—

[1:35:29] when I read it, I noticed you had—

[1:35:30] you put in for a helipad up there where in case for an emergency where you could

[1:35:34] land life flight.

[1:35:35] Am I correct?

[1:35:36] Um, I believe so. Yes, sir.

[1:35:39] Well, my question is up—

[1:35:42] and this is going to be around Santa Fe, correct?

[1:35:45] Yes, sir. Okay.

[1:35:46] I was with Civil Defense and real fire for years.

[1:35:49] Landing a helicopter in Santa Fe is rough.

[1:35:51] Would it be possible for our EMS and our county fire to use that helipad for other

[1:35:56] emergencies?

[1:35:57] I don't want to speak on behalf of the clients,

[1:36:01] but I am getting a not affirmative that that would

[1:36:06] be—

[1:36:06] As long as there's a chance we could use it. I just had that question.

[1:36:09] I appreciate it.

[1:36:10] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. No other discussion? All right.

[1:36:15] So we— I think we've already voted, but if you hadn't voted,

[1:36:20] go ahead and vote.

[1:36:35] 20 aye, 2 no.

[1:36:37] That passes with 20 in the affirmative with

[1:36:42] 2 no. All right, 09-2637, Attorney Dobies.

[1:36:46] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Resolution 09-2637 is Daryl W. and Beverly A.

[1:36:51] Mazeline— apologies if I butcher your name—

[1:36:54] rezoning of approximately 15 acres of property located at 2626 Double Branch

[1:37:00] property located at 2626 Double Branch Road,

[1:37:00] Columbia, Tennessee 38401,

[1:37:02] from Residential General District to AP Agricultural Preservation District.

[1:37:08] Property is further identified as County Tax Map 067, Parcel 011.00.

[1:37:13] I have a motion by Commissioner Sumners,

[1:37:17] seconded by Commissioner Green.

[1:37:21] Is there any discussion on this one? Seeing none, we'll vote.

[1:37:33] Vote. 22 aye.

[1:37:35] That passes with 22 in the affirmative. 092638, Mr. Dobbs.

[1:37:41] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 092638 is, uh, Teresa F. Sparks, Jonathan E.

[1:37:45] Sparks, Jonathan D. Sparks, and Lauren E.

[1:37:48] Sparks, uh, rezoning of approximately 17.40 acres of property located at 3090E

[1:37:53] Sheepneck Road, Cullioca, Tennessee 38451,

[1:37:56] from Residential General District to AP Agricultural Preservation District.

[1:38:01] Property is further identified as County Tax Map 180, Parcel 021.00.

[1:38:05] I have a motion by Commissioner Markham,

[1:38:10] seconded by Commissioner Green. Is there any discussion on this one?

[1:38:17] Public comment? Seeing none, we'll vote.

[1:38:21] That passes with 22 in the affirmative. 092639, Mr. Dobies.

[1:38:27] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[1:38:29] 092639 is Sheepneck Valley LLC rezoning of approximately 94.57 acres of property

[1:38:34] located at 3083 East Sheepneck Road, Cullioca, Tennessee 38451,

[1:38:38] from Residential General District to Agricultural Preservation District.

[1:38:43] The property is further identified as County Tax Map 180, Parcel 021.01.

[1:38:48] I have a motion by Commissioner Strand,

[1:38:52] seconded by Commissioner Cohen.

[1:38:55] Is there any discussion on this one? Seeing none, we'll vote.

[1:39:02] Passes with 22 in the affirmative. 092640, Attorney Dobbs.

[1:39:08] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[1:39:09] 092640 is 2021 Sparks Community Property Trust rezoning of approximately 105.28

[1:39:15] acres of property located at 3192 East Sheepneck Road, Calioca, Tennessee 38451,

[1:39:20] from Residential General District to AP Agricultural Preservation District.

[1:39:26] Property is further identified as County Tax Map 182, Parcel 004.02.

[1:39:30] I have a motion by Commissioner Strand, seconded by Commissioner Green.

[1:39:34] Is there any discussion on this one?

[1:39:36] No.

[1:39:37] Seeing none, we'll vote.

[1:39:38] Please vote.

[1:39:54] That passes with 22 in the affirmative. 092642, Attorney Dobies.

[1:39:59] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 092641—

[1:40:03] 41, excuse me.

[1:40:07] Okay, Resolution 092641 is Mike Foster Uh,

[1:40:10] rezoning of approximately 47.64 acres of property located at 2691 East Sheepneck

[1:40:16] Road, Calioca, Tennessee 38451,

[1:40:18] from Residential General District to AP Agriculture Preservation District.

[1:40:23] Property is further identified as County Tax Map 180, Parcel 008.00.

[1:40:27] I have a motion by Commissioner Markham, seconded by Commissioner Green.

[1:40:32] Is there any discussion on this one? Seeing none, we'll vote.

[1:40:36] Please vote.

[1:40:37] That passes with 22 in the

[1:40:42] affirmative. 092642, Mr.

[1:40:47] Dobies.

[1:40:48] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[1:40:50] 092642, Christopher Grambling, rezoning of approximately 37 acres of property, uh,

[1:40:55] located at 1001 East Sheepneck Road, Cullioca, Tennessee 38451,

[1:40:59] from Residential General District to AP Agricultural Preservation District.

[1:41:04] Property is further identified as County Tax Map 180, Parcel 022.00.

[1:41:08] I have a motion by Commissioner Markham, seconded by Commissioner Cohen.

[1:41:11] Is there any discussion on this one?

[1:41:13] No.

[1:41:14] Seeing none, we'll vote.

[1:41:16] Please

[1:41:22] vote.

[1:41:27] 22 aye.

[1:41:34] That passes with 22 in the affirmative. 09-2643, Mr.— Attorney Dobies.

[1:41:42] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[1:41:43] Resolution 09-2643 is a resolution approving the newly elected constable

[1:41:47] approving the newly elected constable bonds.

[1:41:47] I have a motion by Commissioner Holt,

[1:41:50] seconded by Commissioner Brothers.

[1:41:52] Is there any discussion on this one? Seeing none, we'll vote.

[1:41:56] Please vote. 22 ayes.

[1:42:02] That passes with 22 in the affirmative.

[1:42:06] 09-26-43, Attorney Dobies. That was, that was pulled.

[1:42:11] That was pulled. Okay. All right, public comment.

[1:42:15] Is there anyone who would like to make public comment?

[1:42:21] Come on up, sir. State your name and your district, please.

[1:42:26] Jordan Rowden, District 9. Nothing too spicy.

[1:42:29] I'd request for— on behalf of commissioners and also on behalf of the

[1:42:34] commissioners and also on behalf of the public,

[1:42:34] if at the beginning of the meetings when we're giving the committee reports,

[1:42:39] come on, a 30-second summary of what y'all talked about.

[1:42:42] That would help us It would help your fellow commissioners,

[1:42:46] because they may not have had time to look at your notes and your and your minutes

[1:42:51] and whatnot. Thirty seconds—not a lot to ask.

[1:42:54] There's a lot of technology that can help you summarize transcripts.

[1:42:58] Super easy to do. That's all. That's all that.

[1:43:01] I would encourage the process in the future when we're talking about voting for

[1:43:05] nominees for various and sundry appointments that they defaults to voting

[1:43:10] individually. People are individuals.

[1:43:12] People have different skill sets, different experience, different

[1:43:16] different experience, different backgrounds.

[1:43:17] They're unique, and each deserves to know individually where they sit with respect

[1:43:22] to belief in their adequacy as nominees for the role,

[1:43:25] rather than wondering if they were voted in due to riding on the coattails of

[1:43:30] someone else who may have been a bit more skilled and whatnot.

[1:43:34] That was great that we did it tonight.

[1:43:36] Honestly, I think y'all did a disservice to Mr. Calderaro.

[1:43:40] Um, there was— there's a specter of negativity over him,

[1:43:43] and rather than deferring and taking time to investigate further,

[1:43:47] you took 5 minutes, 10 minutes to kind of poke at it, and then you move forward.

[1:43:52] 6 folks voted against.

[1:43:54] Now you have somebody who's in the role who has the specter,

[1:43:57] both publicly and with you, of having issues.

[1:44:00] And those may not be even real issues, but now he's got that.

[1:44:04] That's not fair to him. Y'all did a disservice.

[1:44:07] Lastly, does anybody know what Tate Township is?

[1:44:10] Anybody know who that is or where that is?

[1:44:12] Do y'all know we're spending—

[1:44:14] we spent $250,000 on this consulting firm to help with the planning,

[1:44:18] the Regional Planning Commission, right, with the whole land use plan?

[1:44:23] The Phase 1 document that they shared, that's one of their big deliverables,

[1:44:27] it referenced Tate Township twice.

[1:44:29] Not because, hey, let's, let's see what they're doing,

[1:44:33] but Because they copy-pasted or had boilerplate or just used a template and

[1:44:37] boilerplate or just used a template and forgot

[1:44:38] to remove names out of it. 20-plus misspellings and grammatical errors.

[1:44:42] A $250,000 project when one of the first primary deliverables has— honestly,

[1:44:47] the boilerplate is the worst thing. How much of that is copy-paste?

[1:44:51] How much of it is not really doing their due diligence to provide a good product?

[1:44:56] So recommendation for y'all is Let's continue to engage with the committees and

[1:45:01] continue to engage with the committees and the

[1:45:01] commissions that do that work, and let's do better.

[1:45:04] We're already behind schedule on that already.

[1:45:07] We have the moratorium on building that's disappearing soon.

[1:45:11] $250,000 so far, not feeling like it's very well spent. That's all. Thank you.

[1:45:15] All right. Any other public comment? Come on up.

[1:45:23] Katie Martin, District 10.

[1:45:25] I didn't plan to speak because in my brain on the way here, everything was great.

[1:45:31] And it is great. And y'all, there's just— it really bothered me when we— well,

[1:45:36] when y'all voted for Mr. Robert on the Regional Planning Commission. I think Mr.

[1:45:42] Robert is a really great person, really nice. I have no personal problems with

[1:45:47] nice. I have no personal problems with him.

[1:45:48] He's never done anything to me.

[1:45:50] However, I've— before moving back to Marie County,

[1:45:53] I worked at a large-scale distribution center,

[1:45:57] and I did a lot of hiring and firing in my role there.

[1:46:00] So in my role, I oversaw different projects.

[1:46:04] Some were more complex and lengthy than others.

[1:46:07] And I can tell you that if I had an employee under me quit in the middle of an

[1:46:12] extensive project that the company paid $250,000 for,

[1:46:16] and then I turned around and hired him in another role,

[1:46:20] they would fire me because it's not something that people in the private

[1:46:25] something that people in the private sector

[1:46:26] respect. And I don't understand why government sector doesn't have higher

[1:46:31] government sector doesn't have higher scrutiny.

[1:46:31] I understand he has a lot of job knowledge.

[1:46:34] But in my opinion, he quit after a mistake or discrepancy was found in a zoning

[1:46:40] matter. And it was like a 30-day turnaround.

[1:46:43] And you're in the middle of a comprehensive land use plan that's been a

[1:46:48] comprehensive land use plan that's been a nightmare

[1:46:49] from the start. It's been a horrible waste of money.

[1:46:53] I could have probably have you— have had you a complete one for about $30,000.

[1:46:58] And And I could probably run it through chat and have it for you today.

[1:47:03] But we spent $250,000 on an out-of-state company using AI,

[1:47:07] and they don't even have the due diligence to take out errors in it.

[1:47:12] And I mean, and when you would go to the meetings,

[1:47:16] it looks like something that I put together in a science fair in 5th grade.

[1:47:21] Maybe, maybe y'all should get together next time and consult with the citizens

[1:47:26] next time and consult with the citizens and

[1:47:27] get like a board together of just regular people.

[1:47:30] And it might be more cost-effective for the county,

[1:47:34] and maybe it would actually get done in a timely fashion.

[1:47:38] I mean, that's a lot of money. That would have more than paid off my house.

[1:47:43] And I mean, that's just— it just blows my mind.

[1:47:46] And then it just blows my mind again that this person who quit in the middle of this

[1:47:52] project is appointed to the Regional Planning Commission.

[1:47:57] If he wanted to remain on the Regional Planning Commission, he could have done

[1:48:02] Planning Commission, he could have done so.

[1:48:02] at his job as the director of planning. I'm sorry.

[1:48:06] I know that's not a popular opinion,

[1:48:08] and I don't have any hate towards anybody on here. I think highly of all of y'all.

[1:48:14] I just wanted to put my 2 cents out there about it. Thanks.

[1:48:18] Thank you. All right. Is there any announcements? Commissioner Sumners.

[1:48:26] Speaking of the land use comprehensive land use plan,

[1:48:30] there is a meeting this Thursday, I believe it's the 24th, at 5:30 in this

[1:48:35] believe it's the 24th, at 5:30 in this room.

[1:48:35] So I just wanted to make everybody aware of that and that people that want to come

[1:48:40] can come.

[1:48:41] Commissioner Strahan.

[1:48:43] I'm going to remind everybody on the commission as well as those in the

[1:48:49] audience that Kim's still looking for a couple— what,

[1:48:54] 200,000 or 2,000 square feet for storage in December.

[1:48:58] for about 6 months. We're— we've been looking all over town,

[1:49:04] we're finding nothing.

[1:49:07] So if anybody could help us for a couple thousand square feet—

[1:49:10] do we know anything about climate control yet?

[1:49:14] We— yeah, it will require climate control too.

[1:49:17] So if you can help us, uh, it's, it's going to be a hot item here pretty soon.

[1:49:23] Thank you.

[1:49:23] Okay, Madam Mayor.

[1:49:25] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just wanted to address that, uh, Mr.

[1:49:29] Calderero took a job that he has wanted for a long time. It is a better paying

[1:49:35] for a long time. It is a better paying job.

[1:49:35] It's something anybody would want to do. And he's been working with Mr.

[1:49:41] Spears for many years at GM, and they are good friends.

[1:49:45] And he's been looking for that job and hoping for that job for a while.

[1:49:50] So it's not like he just quit in the middle of—

[1:49:53] I see you shaking your head and you think that.

[1:49:57] Because he has a very good offer, which most people would do. Excuse me.

[1:50:02] All right. Okay.

[1:50:06] Go ahead, Commissioner

[1:50:10] Phelps.

[1:50:12] As someone that knows Robert very well,

[1:50:15] I know how long he's been looking for that job.

[1:50:18] He didn't just quit for any reason, for any project.

[1:50:21] at all, and I know this very well. So I, I'd just like to say that for the record.

[1:50:27] Robert has total integrity and would never have left for any other reason other than

[1:50:32] a better opportunity for his family.

[1:50:35] I do not appreciate the insinuation, and that's all I have to say.

[1:50:39] All right, motion. I have a motion to adjourn from Commissioner Sumner,

[1:50:43] seconded by Commissioner Romesburg. We're adjourned.

Commission Meeting

Transcript