[0:05] Everybody have a chance to take a look

[0:06] at the minutes. Move to approve.

[0:09] » Second.

[0:09] » Motion. Second to approve. Any

[0:11] discussion?

[0:12] » All those in favor?

[0:14] » I

[0:14] » Opposed. Motion approved. Approve claims

[0:17] in the amount of $3,221,76.17.

[0:25] Uh although uh Council Member Marsette

[0:27] is not here, I'll uh answer his question

[0:29] that I'm sure he has. Uh there are two

[0:32] just over $2 million in debt payments uh

[0:35] that are set to be wired to the paying

[0:37] agent tomorrow. Uh $348,000

[0:40] in milling overlay from the 2627 CIP and

[0:44] approximately $100,000 in payments for

[0:46] the new exhaust uh in the apparatus bay

[0:49] at the fire station.

[0:52] Move to approve.

[0:54] » Second.

[0:54] » Motion second to approve. Any

[0:55] discussion? All those in favor? I

[0:59] » Opposed. Motion's approved. Discussion

[1:01] of possible action on Bear Drive speed

[1:03] display sign traffic safety advisory

[1:05] committee. Case 38. They got case

[1:08] numbers, too.

[1:11] » Hello. Aaron Mcy Anderson, city

[1:13] engineer. So, at the public uh safety

[1:17] committee, uh they approved a speed

[1:19] display sign coming into town on Bear

[1:22] Drive and so they forward it to finance

[1:26] since we don't have dedicated funds for

[1:28] our traffic safety um kind of committee

[1:31] to distribute. So, we are recommending a

[1:35] solar speed display sign in just the one

[1:39] direction and we did put up our speed

[1:43] radar and the speed limit is 25 miles an

[1:46] hour. The 50th percentile speed was 36

[1:49] miles an hour and the 85th percentile

[1:52] was 40 miles an hour. So, we did

[1:54] identify that there is a speeding issue.

[1:57] Um, technically there was speeding in

[1:59] both directions, but we figured it

[2:01] didn't make sense to put one leaving

[2:02] town. And so we are looking for

[2:06] approximately $5,000.

[2:09] And we there's a few options. Um, I

[2:11] asked Sam kind of what maybe our options

[2:14] are. And so we could look at the 2026

[2:17] public works budget, but we'd have to

[2:19] likely cut something. We can look at the

[2:21] 2027 public works budget and add it as a

[2:24] line item. We could dip into our current

[2:28] CIP which we can find money I guess

[2:31] within the bonding for the 2026 2027

[2:34] capital improvement plan or we could do

[2:37] the general fund balance.

[2:41] » What do you recommend?

[2:42] » The recommendation would be if we did

[2:43] out of the CIP I would not recommend

[2:46] doing that until the end of 27 to make

[2:48] sure all the projects come in and tie

[2:50] off and see if there's money left over

[2:52] if that's the direction that we wanted

[2:54] to go.

[2:56] I think we need to do this sooner. So,

[2:58] what do you think would be the better

[3:01] place to take the money?

[3:03] » Any of those are options.

[3:04] » Yeah, I think the Go ahead, Sam.

[3:06] » The when staff is trying to come up with

[3:08] a recommendation,

[3:10] there isn't a whole lot of of money just

[3:12] sitting aside. I think it the um

[3:15] recommendation would be to likely cut

[3:17] something else.

[3:18] Um, and the question then to the

[3:20] committee would be what what would you

[3:22] guys recommend the reciprocal cut be?

[3:25] » Y,

[3:27] » Is there anything that's coming in under

[3:28] budget right now?

[3:31] » No.

[3:31] » No,

[3:33] » Not that I can think of. It's pretty

[3:34] tight. You You guys have the finance

[3:37] report now that Sam's been providing.

[3:39] Everything's

[3:41] very close.

[3:44] So if I can Mike, you wanna

[3:49] you might answer all my questions.

[3:52] » Mike Morz, director of public works. Uh

[3:54] so what we could do is for the 2026

[3:57] general operating budget for public

[3:59] works this year. There have been several

[4:03] accidents that have occurred throughout

[4:04] the community that we've basically

[4:06] collected those funds back from the

[4:09] people that hit this traffic, you know,

[4:12] signal, hit a street light, uh, so those

[4:15] revenues are coming into the city that

[4:17] help offset us buying replacement poles

[4:21] or controllers to put back up, so on and

[4:23] so forth. So, um, that's one place that

[4:26] Sam, maybe you and I can maybe sit down

[4:28] and look like what our revenues have

[4:30] come back in versus what our expenses

[4:32] have gone out and if there because we do

[4:34] incorporate some staff time into that

[4:36] obviously. Um, and that's already in the

[4:39] operating budget. I mean, so I mean

[4:41] there are there might be a possibility

[4:43] that we could look at that and and pay

[4:45] for it out of the operating budget this

[4:46] year. So

[4:47] » And and and in the end the other

[4:49] possibility is finding a time where we

[4:52] take these special projects and realize

[4:54] we can't do them right now.

[4:56] » Well, that's I mean is it an enforcement

[4:59] issue again where we just is it is that

[5:02] section of road in the city or in the

[5:04] county jurisdiction?

[5:06] » It's in the city and I know um Chief

[5:09] Williams

[5:10] » He said they put you know they go out

[5:12] there once in a while. He specifically

[5:14] said, I think this was when they had

[5:15] like four officers out there and sure

[5:17] » They do that, you know, and there was

[5:20] maybe four people pulled over at the

[5:21] same time because there was like so many

[5:23] people going over the speed limit. So

[5:25] they do the best that they can with

[5:29] their resources.

[5:31] » Well, that that's what I was going to uh

[5:32] start with. So I looked at the map and

[5:34] this is this is literally right on the

[5:36] border of of uh coming, you know,

[5:38] welcome to the city. Um, prior to that

[5:42] 25, it's 45, right?

[5:44] » Yeah. I don't

[5:45] » No, it's 35.

[5:46] » It goes from 45 to 35 to 25.

[5:49] » So, you know, and basically like you

[5:52] mentioned, if they're leaving and going

[5:53] fast, we kind of say, who cares? We

[5:55] don't really say that, but we we mutter

[5:57] that,

[5:58] » But so then let's flip that concept

[6:00] around. So they're they're they're

[6:01] coming in from the town going 45 55 and

[6:05] now you know we have to reach in the

[6:08] wallet or try to find this money for

[6:10] this thing. I'm not against it. I think

[6:11] those things have proven to so the the

[6:13] the uh traffic but this is not a

[6:16] guarantee that now we won't have any

[6:18] speeders. Um I appreciate you putting

[6:21] the picture in there and it's not a you

[6:22] know truly a residential neighborhood.

[6:25] My fear is that as soon as we have a

[6:26] couple people say, "Hey, I think there's

[6:28] speeders coming through here." Um, we're

[6:31] then now kind of, well, we'll jam one of

[6:33] these signs in there and, you know, in

[6:35] every sign. So, I'm not against it and I

[6:37] and I don't want to I wasn't part of the

[6:40] the uh safety uh public safety, but um

[6:46] it's a it sounds like a not a bad idea,

[6:49] but we're also saying, "Well, where's

[6:50] the money?" I mean, it's if we did this

[6:52] like our own checkbook, we'd say, "Boy,

[6:54] we'd love to do that maybe next year. We

[6:56] just can't afford it right now." I don't

[6:58] that that's kind of what hits me about

[7:00] this. Um,

[7:01] » Yeah. And another thing, we do have bare

[7:04] drive in the CI the six-year CIP. I

[7:06] don't remember exactly what year we put

[7:08] it for. So hopefully if we redo it, we

[7:12] can maybe look to change some things to

[7:14] help with speeding, but

[7:16] um or include the sign with that

[7:18] project, you know, kind of wrap it in

[7:20] with that project. So that could be an

[7:22] option, too. But if we were able to put

[7:25] in the sign now and then you were able

[7:28] to design it better when it's um redone,

[7:35] » We could move that sign. And so I mean

[7:38] the money isn't wasted by buying a sign

[7:40] that

[7:41] » True

[7:41] » Because I mean we got plenty of speeding

[7:43] spots in all over the c the city. Um

[7:48] » But to your point you said and again I I

[7:50] I trust that a lot of work has been done

[7:53] this. Um the safety committee said we

[7:56] need that and you guys said sooner than

[7:57] later. Then then where are we going to I

[8:01] mean I know that you guys were just

[8:02] talking about that but I I don't have an

[8:04] answer. I don't have 5,000 on me right

[8:06] now. to pay for it. Are we do you feel

[8:09] comfortable with with um underruns from

[8:12] projects that are currently in house or

[8:15] » Yeah, I mean we did have a good year,

[8:17] you know, with under bidding, but then

[8:19] we're kind of pushing the limit for

[8:20] wanting to add, you know, B&M Farms next

[8:23] year basically with that overrun of

[8:25] fund.

[8:25] » That's true. Yeah. Mhm.

[8:27] » So,

[8:28] » Usually we put enough contingency where

[8:31] I personally would like to see at least

[8:33] $5,000 left at the end of all the

[8:35] projects, you know, instead of going

[8:37] over budget, but

[8:40] that doesn't mean it who knows what the

[8:41] bidding will look like next,

[8:42] » Right?

[8:44] » The insurance reimbursement is not an

[8:45] option.

[8:46] » Oh, we can't use that

[8:50] insurance collect to offset our

[8:52] expenses. Mhm. Okay.

[8:59] Okay.

[9:02] » Well, I guess we don't have the money.

[9:03] We don't have the money.

[9:06] » Well, if we were to make a motion,

[9:09] I don't know what the Yeah, I don't know

[9:10] what the answer would be. Um, is this

[9:13] something that we

[9:15] » Yeah.

[9:16] » 2027 priority list?

[9:19] » Sam, what do you have? What What would

[9:21] you recommend? Anything?

[9:24] My recommendation would be that

[9:28] if it were passed that we would likely

[9:30] need to see a cut somewhere. Um

[9:34] or unless it is a recommendation to put

[9:37] it in 2027's budget, in which case we

[9:41] can we'll be able to fit it in and bring

[9:43] it back to the council with another cut

[9:46] from staff.

[9:51] » Another cut from staff. Well, a staff

[9:53] recommendation as to where to cut that

[9:55] in the 27 budget.

[9:56] » Not a staff cut.

[9:56] » Okay, I apologize. I did not mean that

[9:58] as a cut to staff either. That

[10:00] » Sounded pretty ominous.

[10:01] » Yeah, sorry. I did not mean it like

[10:02] that. A recommendation from staff as to

[10:05] where to cut it from the 27 budget.

[10:07] » Do we have an accident report for there?

[10:09] » Uh, let's see. What did I

[10:14] » There in the last three years, there has

[10:17] been one accident related to wildlife

[10:20] crossing. I don't think it said deer,

[10:22] but

[10:25] » And the sign would not work on on the

[10:27] deer,

[10:28] » Right? Pay attention to that.

[10:31] » No, but you know,

[10:32] » Nobody else does. Why should they?

[10:33] » Right.

[10:33] » They got the deer crossing signs. They

[10:35] know where to go.

[10:36] » I know. They just don't read them.

[10:38] » Um and and again, just trying to be

[10:40] creative here. What if I mean, could we

[10:43] approach the town and say, "Can you back

[10:44] up your or back down your speed limit to

[10:47] 25?" because I think the speed probably

[10:50] takes place in that first 100 yards

[10:54] of you hit that sign, you see 25 and

[10:56] it's still you still have that

[10:57] straightaway there.

[10:59] » Um

[11:00] » I don't know. I'd have to ask Jeff maybe

[11:02] about that, but I don't know where they

[11:04] sit exactly. Yeah. But

[11:07] » I'm going to make the motion that we um

[11:11] send this back to staff to make a

[11:14] recommendation on where we can find the

[11:17] money if possible. and discuss it at our

[11:20] next finance meeting.

[11:23] » Yeah, I'll second that

[11:25] » Motion and second.

[11:27] Any further discussion?

[11:30] I'm just I'm just wondering if

[11:34] don't get me wrong because you know how

[11:36] I feel about speeding and people not

[11:38] obeying traffic signs and things here in

[11:41] the city, but

[11:43] one accident in three years and it's

[11:45] just a deer.

[11:48] Don't want to minimize what what

[11:50] happened to that deer, but

[11:53] » But did you read the urgency here? I I

[11:56] really don't see the urgency.

[11:57] » Did you read the summary of the con

[11:59] concern? Um I have photos on my phone of

[12:01] cars passing in the double yellow 25

[12:04] mile per hour multiple times in the last

[12:06] year. So people are they're ignoring the

[12:09] double yellow. They're they're speeding.

[12:12] And this is this is a a big problem that

[12:15] I mean we're we're lucky that we haven't

[12:17] had any accidents. I'm surprised that we

[12:19] haven't had any. I drive that that

[12:22] section uh quite a bit because I go up

[12:25] to Somerset to visit my daughter and

[12:27] come back that way and um

[12:30] I don't there's usually not a lot of

[12:31] traffic there,

[12:33] » But um

[12:35] » Well

[12:36] » I can see where people are would be

[12:37] speeding. Do people typically reduce

[12:39] speed when they see a sign like that or

[12:41] is there I mean some people might test

[12:44] their speedometer to make sure it works.

[12:46] » I I'm just wondering if the

[12:48] effectiveness of those signs and if

[12:49] there's any data on the effect

[12:51] » There has been some data on this the and

[12:53] I I think I mean Jeff can correct me but

[12:56] I think like stage line where we added

[12:58] them it has helped quite a bit. It

[13:01] sounds like uh we did that in both

[13:04] directions on Stageeline Road which had

[13:06] you know maybe a similar I mean that's a

[13:09] higher um speed limit but

[13:12] so there is some effectiveness shown at

[13:15] least temporarily you know when you

[13:18] cross it.

[13:20] » Mhm. And I'm I'm again I'm not opposed

[13:23] to these tools um that you know are

[13:27] there for safety but also you know

[13:29] slowing people down. Um again it's not

[13:32] in a residence but I there's nobody I

[13:34] talked to in the city that one of their

[13:36] top complaints not that they have a lot

[13:38] but one of the top ones is they're

[13:39] speeding in my neighborhood

[13:40] » And that could be a small residential

[13:42] neighborhood it could be Carmichael. It

[13:44] could be this area. So my again my fear

[13:47] is the idea that let's spend five grand,

[13:49] find it from somewhere, put a sign in

[13:51] there and say there we're done. We fixed

[13:53] the speeding issue.

[13:55] » People are still going to cross the

[13:56] yellow line.

[13:57] » Um it is it is a straightaway. I've I've

[14:01] » I've I've been on there and it it is it

[14:03] does feel unnatural to go 25 down there

[14:06] to be honest with you. Um,

[14:09] and if we did have, you know, this

[14:12] here's this checkbook that's meant for

[14:13] these safety things and we had a decent

[14:16] balance in, I would be right alongside

[14:18] you. I just I don't want to I I liked

[14:20] your motion because um rather than just

[14:23] blindly say, "Let's write the check and

[14:25] we'll figure out how to cash it later."

[14:27] I'd like to know where it's coming from

[14:28] before we approve anything. So,

[14:32] » All right.

[14:34] » All those in favor? I I

[14:35] » Opposed. Motion's approved.

[14:39] » Discussion possible. Thanks, Aaron.

[14:41] Discussion possible action to approve

[14:42] the quote from Jar Roofing Service for

[14:44] repairs at 21101 O'Neal Road.

[14:48] All right. Mike Morz, director of public

[14:50] works. Again, uh we have an issue with

[14:54] the roof at the new public works

[14:56] facility. Uh unfortunately, it is on the

[14:59] side that we lease to uh Progressive

[15:02] Rail. Uh this leak has been an issue um

[15:06] for the last couple of years. Um we

[15:10] tried to chase it and brought in Jar to

[15:13] do some sealing of roof penetrations

[15:16] around rooftop units. Uh they did some

[15:19] sealing around some of the trim on the

[15:21] the roof edge and continued to have

[15:24] problems uh on that side with leaks. And

[15:27] so Caterpillar or Progressive Royal

[15:28] reached out to me and say, "Hey, what

[15:29] are you guys doing to fix this?" Right.

[15:31] Um, so Jar came back, did some

[15:34] investigative work. Uh, Jar is a company

[15:36] that we've worked with in the past to do

[15:38] emergency repairs on some of our other

[15:40] roofs at the library or our public

[15:42] workshop up on the north side of town.

[15:44] And they took took some core sample and

[15:46] found some wet insulation, um, which is

[15:48] apparently bad on a flat roof. Um, and

[15:51] so they basically put a quote together.

[15:54] Uh the total is $17,767

[15:57] to replace that uh section of roof that

[16:00] has become damaged. Um and like I said,

[16:04] that should hopefully uh stop the leak.

[16:08] Um where we're going to pay this from,

[16:11] talk to Sam. Uh we would use the the

[16:14] rental income that we acrew from them

[16:16] every every month to help offset this

[16:18] expense. and they pay us um

[16:21] approximately $25,000 in rent every

[16:23] month.

[16:25] » What is that money designated for

[16:26] though? Isn't it Isn't it already

[16:28] designated?

[16:29] » That Go ahead, Sam.

[16:30] » Yes. So, we get uh as Mike said about

[16:33] $25,000 a month or about $300,000 a year

[16:36] from them. Uh that money is in the debt

[16:38] service fund to pay uh the 2024 uh non

[16:42] or NAN uh debt issuance, which is a

[16:45] balloon payment at which we pay interest

[16:47] only on that. that interest payment is

[16:50] approximately $210,000.

[16:52] » Okay.

[16:52] » For next year. So that leaves us with 87

[16:55] $87,000

[16:58] um approximately that uh could be used

[17:00] for this.

[17:01] » Okay. I'll make the motion to approve.

[17:04] » I'll second.

[17:05] » Motion second to approve. Any further

[17:07] discussion?

[17:09] All those in favor?

[17:10] » I

[17:11] » Opposed. Motion's approved. Thanks,

[17:13] Mike. Ordinance 07-26 amending the

[17:17] three-hour parking limit and eight hour

[17:19] parking limit.

[17:23] » Bren, do you want to take this or do you

[17:24] want me to?

[17:26] » I'm sorry. I was busy letting council

[17:27] member Sarah in. I missed what we're the

[17:30] point that we're on.

[17:31] » We're on the last item on the parking

[17:33] three hour and 8 hour parking.

[17:35] » Uh, okay.

[17:37] » Yes. So, so this is um uh the the

[17:40] request was on last meeting's agenda

[17:43] came from the parking utility to allow

[17:46] for a section of three-hour parking near

[17:49] the it's just across the street from the

[17:51] boat launch um on the let's see that

[17:54] would be the east side of first right

[17:56] behind the river city center and this

[17:59] would allow for 25 total spaces to go

[18:02] from a three-hour parking limit to an 8

[18:04] hour parking limit. So it take eight

[18:06] spaces that would cycle through every

[18:08] three hours and convert it to an eight

[18:10] hour in which permit people would be

[18:12] able to use and also hourly people would

[18:15] be able to use but it would be an 8 hour

[18:17] maximum parking limit.

[18:20] Think that's it.

[18:22] » So how many employees are they planning

[18:25] expecting to have in that building?

[18:28] » I think they're already there.

[18:30] » They are already there.

[18:31] » Yep.

[18:32] » Yeah. I I don't know the numbers of

[18:34] employees or anything to that. It was

[18:36] just the request for

[18:37] » I was told that there are up to 60

[18:38] employees but most of them are working

[18:40] remotely.

[18:42] I don't know how accurate that is, but

[18:44] » So, how many

[18:49] So, the reason that they want 8 hour

[18:51] parking in that area is so that even

[18:54] those who would not buy a monthly permit

[18:58] would be able to park there for their

[19:02] full day of work.

[19:05] Um, I mean, do they need all 25 spaces?

[19:09] I

[19:14] I I don't know the answer to that. Did

[19:16] you Did I I I wanted to clarify

[19:18] something. I I thought I heard you say

[19:20] that they were going to take eight

[19:22] stalls.

[19:23] » Eight stalls.

[19:24] » No. Uh it's the 25.

[19:26] » Okay. Yeah,

[19:27] » It's all 25.

[19:28] » Heard that.

[19:29] » So, um

[19:32] » To go to eight. I don't know that they I

[19:35] they're not I don't I don't think it

[19:38] would be accurate to say that they're

[19:39] going to take all 25, but at the same

[19:40] time, it's not accurate to say they

[19:42] wouldn't. Depends upon who's there. You

[19:45] know,

[19:46] they they have staff meetings every now

[19:48] and then, bring them all in.

[19:50] » Okay. Because I noticed that there are

[19:52] some spaces on that side of the building

[19:56] » In their parking lot. So I went down

[19:59] there this this afternoon to look at

[20:02] everything and and most of those spaces

[20:05] were empty. So I don't you know All

[20:08] right. So what is the impact

[20:11] on the for are those spaces used a lot?

[20:16] Has there been any

[20:18] information gathered on how how much

[20:22] usage those spots get during the day? I

[20:25] mean it's it's only going to be during

[20:26] the day that they're going to be using

[20:27] them. Correct.

[20:28] » I I think they're used quite a bit

[20:30] during the summer.

[20:31] » Oh.

[20:32] » Uh during the boating season

[20:34] » As guests that are going out with people

[20:37] » Uh that are launching with people at the

[20:39] at the boat launch.

[20:40] » Okay. So

[20:41] » They're going to get there early in the

[20:42] morning maybe. Yeah. But they're they're

[20:44] used quite a bit during during the

[20:46] summertime. I'm not sure.

[20:47] » Before Sar went in there.

[20:48] » What's that?

[20:49] » That's before Saranda went in there.

[20:50] » Yes.

[20:51] » That's also weekend parking. I I too,

[20:54] you know, I know that little area and it

[20:56] it is probably our least popular parking

[20:58] spot, you know, as far it's probably the

[21:01] furthest from any restaurant or bar or

[21:03] store. Um,

[21:06] and I do like the way that this is set

[21:08] up. It's a creative way to like

[21:09] especially if we raise our per our

[21:12] permit prices. We're guaranteeing what

[21:15] 25,000 excuse me $2500

[21:18] for the employees. But still if if if

[21:21] they're not being used, someone could

[21:23] park there for one hour or four hours or

[21:25] whatever. So we could almost we could

[21:27] almost double dip, if you will,

[21:28] » If the employees buy a pass or a permit

[21:32] » And then someone wants to park there and

[21:34] go to the the beach or whatever or

[21:36] whatever they want to do. um

[21:40] it would be a way to to like gu like I

[21:43] said guarantee that payment but it's

[21:44] also it's not reserve parking for them

[21:47] and um I do see the church down there on

[21:50] the weekends they people use that but

[21:52] this wouldn't be this is a Monday

[21:54] through Friday thing for the permit

[21:56] right

[21:57] » Yeah well this should be used I would

[22:00] expect that a a business like Saranda

[22:02] would only be using it Monday through

[22:03] Friday regular business

[22:04] » Hours if the employee or somebody does

[22:07] have

[22:08] a pass that's year round that they can

[22:10] they can park there on a Saturday if

[22:12] they wish to.

[22:12] » Sure.

[22:15] » Are there any concerns about this?

[22:17] » So, here's here's my concern. This is

[22:19] why originally I wanted to postpone this

[22:22] to look at the uh agreement that we had,

[22:26] development agreement there, and that's

[22:29] » It's kind of vague in relative to what

[22:33] my concern was. So, it's a horse piece

[22:36] really. Um, and that having to do with

[22:39] the 5% tradeoff in consideration for the

[22:42] uh the developer getting 5% additional

[22:45] on tiff revenue uh increment as a

[22:49] trade-off for the 25 parking spots.

[22:51] Okay. And then all of a sudden the 25

[22:53] parking spots ended up end up being

[22:54] perhaps going exclusive not exclusively

[22:57] but a big chunk of them to a tenant

[23:02] of the developer. So that was my

[23:04] original concern. The language is vague,

[23:06] so I'm not going to argue that point.

[23:09] Uh, but

[23:12] I think that I think the bigger issue

[23:14] for me right now, and I'm not I'm not

[23:17] wedded to this one way or another. I see

[23:19] both sides. But I think a bigger concern

[23:22] right now, we're going through a lot of

[23:24] discussion about parking. And we're

[23:26] going to have more coming up here very

[23:28] soon.

[23:30] And what if any business were to do

[23:33] this?

[23:34] I mean, if I saw council passing this

[23:37] and I had employees down here, I

[23:40] employed a lot of people. I'd say,

[23:41] "Yeah, I want in on that."

[23:44] » Mhm.

[23:44] » Uh, you know, if we have public parking,

[23:47] which is what this is, it's city-owned

[23:49] public parking. What about other public

[23:51] parking spaces? What about over here?

[23:53] you know, turn that into 18 permit

[23:55] parking for or eight hour rather permit

[23:57] parking for anybody that wants to come

[23:59] in because they've got a business that

[24:01] they might relocate or they move

[24:02] downtown or they've been downtown, they

[24:05] need additional parking or

[24:08] they're expanding and they want

[24:10] additional parking. So, I'm worried

[24:12] about the precedent that we're setting.

[24:14] And

[24:16] so, that's my biggest concern.

[24:18] » So, we excuse me. You know, here here's

[24:21] something you're going to hear me say

[24:22] probably a lot in the next few weeks for

[24:27] sure.

[24:29] We we didn't used to have a parking

[24:32] problem downtown, right? Which is why we

[24:34] developed a system where we had payment

[24:37] in lie of we wanted to encourage people

[24:39] to come downtown. We wanted to encourage

[24:40] businesses to come downtown. We didn't

[24:43] have very many restaurants downtown. We

[24:45] just had a handful and uh so parking was

[24:49] not an issue. All of a sudden, Hudson

[24:51] became very popular place to be. We got

[24:53] a lot more restaurants downtown. Every

[24:55] single one of them got a parking or a

[24:58] payment in lie of deal. We got no

[25:02] additional parking and then of course we

[25:03] were inundated with complaints about

[25:04] parking downtown for years. Okay, that

[25:09] was resolved in my opinion when uh Mike

[25:13] and and their crew uh came in with a

[25:16] recommendation to change the system

[25:19] » To enforce until 8:00 to go with the

[25:22] threeh hour to the enforcement until 8

[25:24] with three-hour which encouraged

[25:27] promoted um turnover churn downtown

[25:30] which was huge the additional 300

[25:32] parking spaces that were then metered

[25:34] and we haven't had a single complaint. I

[25:36] haven't personally had a single

[25:37] complaint about parking downtown other

[25:39] than people that are getting tickets

[25:40] that don't think they should uh or don't

[25:42] want to pay them, but we're going to

[25:45] start seeing parking complaints downtown

[25:47] again here pretty soon.

[25:48] » Mhm.

[25:49] » And and that concerns me because we've

[25:52] got nowhere to go and we don't have any

[25:53] money to do anything about it. You know,

[25:55] we've got when we tore down the fire

[25:59] station over here and created the

[26:01] additional parking spaces, we were

[26:03] thinking in the back of our minds, we

[26:05] didn't want to put a a ramp up there. I

[26:07] don't think anybody was in favor of a

[26:08] ramp downtown here, but we were talking

[26:11] talking about putting a deck over that

[26:13] potentially if we needed additional

[26:15] space. We may need that and it's still

[26:17] an option, but we don't have any money

[26:19] for that.

[26:21] So

[26:23] those are three-hour spots right now,

[26:25] correct?

[26:26] » Three or four? Yeah.

[26:27] » Three. Three. Three. Three. Okay.

[26:29] » And so if an employee

[26:32] » When you say those, you're talking about

[26:33] the 25

[26:34] » The 25 spots. Yeah.

[26:35] » Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

[26:36] » So,

[26:39] all right. So, and you said that they've

[26:40] already moved in there. So, an employee,

[26:43] they should be able to park in those

[26:45] spots that

[26:47] are in the parking lot that if they need

[26:49] to be there for for eight hours because

[26:53] those spots are available, they can park

[26:55] on the other side of the building also.

[26:57] I mean, it's the parking is in that

[27:00] parking lot is for the tenants of that

[27:02] building and the customers of that

[27:04] building.

[27:06] So I I guess my question is what are the

[27:10] um the options that somebody an employee

[27:13] has right now without these 25 spots

[27:17] available for permit parking.

[27:20] » Well,

[27:22] they can go on the street. I mean,

[27:23] pretty much any option they've got is

[27:25] like three-hour parking somewhere uh

[27:27] » Or four hours up in the uh the lot.

[27:30] Yeah.

[27:30] » Yeah.

[27:31] » Well, or they could also purchase a work

[27:33] permit, right? And we have we already

[27:36] have areas designated

[27:38] » Or

[27:40] » Right. So to me this is I mean I know a

[27:42] particular

[27:44] » Uh Saranda I know that it sounds like

[27:46] they started this request but again it's

[27:49] not reserved for just them. Does this

[27:52] benefit I mean I like having businesses

[27:56] you know um because they were up by

[27:59] Wells Fargo, weren't they?

[28:02] » Yeah they were on the other side of

[28:03] Vine.

[28:03] » Yeah.

[28:04] » Yeah.

[28:05] So, they stayed here and maybe again

[28:07] they started the request, but it's

[28:09] they're not saying make this a private

[28:11] area. That's just basically does it make

[28:13] sense to expand as we have more people

[28:16] working downtown. This is probably not a

[28:18] crazy request to be made.

[28:21] And again, I think they're basically

[28:23] saying, can we can we buy permits? And

[28:26] it's next to their front door, right?

[28:28] But if I want to go down there and park

[28:30] on a Tuesday at 10 in the morning, I I'm

[28:33] not really taking one of their spots.

[28:34] I'm now we're just down we're having the

[28:38] benefit of of um being able to get those

[28:40] permits. So um

[28:43] » But during the summer if if you wanted

[28:45] to park there and and um go out on your

[28:49] boat, then you could park for a full

[28:51] eight hours and go on your boat

[28:54] » And that could tie up spots that are

[28:57] needed. So, I I'm uncomfortable with

[29:00] this.

[29:02] » So, like I said, I'm not wetted one way

[29:04] or another. I just wanted to bring that

[29:06] up as an issue when you asked what what

[29:08] what might be the concerns.

[29:11] » That to me is the biggest concern. To

[29:13] your point, Mike, you know, I originally

[29:16] the first pass on this, I thought it was

[29:18] I didn't realize it was going to be

[29:21] open to everybody, anybody, you know,

[29:23] first come, first serve.

[29:25] And uh there are some other

[29:27] considerations. I get it. I you know,

[29:28] and Saranda is a great employer. They've

[29:30] been good to the city and uh and and we

[29:33] we want them here in the city. There's

[29:35] no doubt about it. Um I just uh

[29:41] I don't know. I don't know. I'm very

[29:44] very concerned for the future down here

[29:46] with parking. Well, they can buy a

[29:47] permit for over here and walk to Saranda

[29:51] from there if they really wanted a

[29:54] wanted permit parking.

[29:55] » Well, one of the things that we do need

[29:58] to do is probably another parking study.

[30:01] Um the parking committee does have some

[30:04] funds that we could put toward another

[30:05] parking study for all of downtown.

[30:08] Um they just you know I think their pool

[30:11] they have I want to say it's almost 400

[30:14] in that pool. Parking study might

[30:17] disappear. I'm guessing a parking study

[30:19] is going to be probably 30 or 40 for a

[30:23] decent parking study of our current

[30:24] conditions.

[30:26] » So it's something to think about as

[30:27] well. It's something that we probably

[30:28] should start to plan for and it would

[30:30] come out of those funds for the parking

[30:32] committee.

[30:33] » When did we put in this system?

[30:35] » 2019.

[30:37] Okay.

[30:38] » Yeah. Right. Right before CO is when I

[30:40] » So, it's been almost 10 years. I mean,

[30:42] it's been seven.

[30:44] » Seven.

[30:44] » So, so it's been 10 years since the last

[30:46] at least 10 years since the last parking

[30:48] study.

[30:49] » Well, and it seems like you've changed

[30:50] quite a bit downtown.

[30:51] » Yes, there's there's been a lot of

[30:52] changes in the 10 years. Yeah, I think

[30:54] that

[30:55] » Now we have

[30:55] » I think that's a good idea to start

[30:57] thinking about.

[30:58] » Max socials coming in.

[31:02] » Yeah, Max's social. That's going to take

[31:04] parking and then

[31:05] » Potentially

[31:05] » The visitors to the apartment complex

[31:07] that's going in. We've got a lot of

[31:09] there's going to be a lot of pressure on

[31:11] the parking

[31:12] » Plus the redesign of the park, right?

[31:14] Adding all the

[31:15] » What I I think I I like the idea of a

[31:18] parking study and and I also want to

[31:19] couple that with the whole payment in

[31:22] lie of

[31:22] » Yes.

[31:23] » Yes.

[31:24] » We we need to address that.

[31:26] » Yes.

[31:26] » That I don't think that that is I don't

[31:29] think it works for us anymore. Like I

[31:32] said, it was great at first for an

[31:33] incentive to to bring businesses

[31:35] downtown. Uh I I just don't think it's

[31:38] working for us anymore. And I'd like to

[31:40] know, frankly, how much money we've

[31:42] collected over the years for payment in

[31:44] lie of

[31:45] » And where it is.

[31:48] » Is everybody up to date on paying us?

[31:50] It's supposed to they can take up to

[31:51] what 8 to 10 years to pay it.

[31:53] » Which one? 8 10

[31:55] » Uh depending upon the amount.

[31:56] » Uh it it it changes up to eight years if

[31:59] it's uh over 7500.

[32:01] » So it's a onetime payment.

[32:03] » It could be but they

[32:04] » One time payment they have it they can

[32:06] pay it over a period of eight eight

[32:08] years but it's one time.

[32:10] » Okay.

[32:10] » Um so it's not it's just Yeah.

[32:12] » It's one amount I should say paid over a

[32:14] period of eight years.

[32:15] » No I think that's a that's a policy that

[32:17] we should be revisiting.

[32:18] » Absolutely. So maybe a study to look at

[32:20] that, look at our ordinance as it sits,

[32:22] and then make recommendations back.

[32:25] » I'm going to make the motion that we um

[32:28] wait to make a decision on something

[32:30] like this until we've discussed the

[32:32] payment in L and we also um discuss a

[32:36] parking study.

[32:39] » I don't I don't want to Well,

[32:41] » There what do you go toward a moratorum?

[32:45] » No, because it's not zoning.

[32:47] » Because it's what? This isn't zoning

[32:49] related.

[32:50] » Parking the ordinance is part of zoning.

[32:53] » Well, but a moratorum on on what

[32:56] exactly?

[33:00] » Yeah, there's some decisions to make,

[33:01] but Okay.

[33:03] » I'm I'm going to throw out before we get

[33:06] » Too far down there. Um I know we talked

[33:08] about in the summer and boating and and

[33:10] what and people coming down here. We're

[33:12] also getting to our point in the season

[33:14] where it's going to be a lot quieter

[33:16] down there. Um, whenever it's under 50

[33:18] degrees, there's not a lot of people

[33:20] strolling along the uh park. Um,

[33:23] and also across the street, Mike's going

[33:25] to love when I say this, but you know,

[33:27] we do have that boat launch that gets

[33:29] very little traffic in the winter. There

[33:30] might be a boat or two the in January if

[33:33] if the thaws, but that's a lot of real

[33:36] estate that's just sitting there that

[33:38] could maybe be a seasonal permittable

[33:41] part, you know, a work permit spot. Um,

[33:45] again, it it would bring in I know we'd

[33:47] have to maintain a little bit more. Um,

[33:50] but

[33:52] again, I'm just I'm thinking that we're

[33:54] all thinking Saturday, Fourth of July,

[33:57] you can't find a parking spot in town.

[33:59] But for the next 6 months, I think those

[34:01] 25 spots are going to be empty and the

[34:04] and the boat launch is going to be

[34:05] empty. So

[34:07] again, to throw it out there, if if we

[34:09] could look at this as a six-month

[34:12] um

[34:13] » What are the restrictions on the boat

[34:15] boat ramp parking lot for the during the

[34:18] winter?

[34:22] » I say during the summer, I know during

[34:24] the winter there really are none. Um so

[34:26] from May 1st to September 30th we have

[34:30] stipulated that only boat or u vehicle

[34:33] and trailer can park in the lot. Outside

[34:36] of that there's really nothing in the

[34:37] ordinances that dictate anything.

[34:40] » So it's

[34:41] » Yeah right now we don't we don't plow it

[34:42] in the winter time. We do we do run a

[34:44] truck through it just to make a pass. A

[34:46] lot of the guys use to use the rest of

[34:48] them at Buckeye Garage but that's no

[34:49] longer there. So, it'd be one of those

[34:51] things where we would have to add some

[34:52] type of maintenance in the winter time,

[34:54] but really no restrictions right now.

[34:55] » Yeah. So, and we don't

[34:58] pile snow there anymore.

[35:00] » We don't pile snow there anymore. Nope.

[35:03] » And the docks don't come out.

[35:05] » Don't come out. Stay.

[35:08] » Okay.

[35:11] » So,

[35:15] you said through September 30th. So,

[35:18] starting in another week, they they

[35:20] could park there as long as there isn't

[35:22] any snow there.

[35:25] And there's is there's no um fees for

[35:28] parking in there during that time

[35:30] period.

[35:30] » Park there if there's snow.

[35:33] » Okay.

[35:34] » Well, I think we could add it to our

[35:36] zone.

[35:38] So, we could collect the dollar an hour

[35:41] or 50 cent an hour, whatever we do.

[35:45] Again, I don't I know I kind of hijacked

[35:47] this topic and kind of moving it to

[35:48] that. So, I wanna

[35:49] » Well, nobody seconded my motion, so um

[35:53] we're

[35:54] » Well, yeah, it sounds like we're not we

[35:56] don't have this thing wrapped up with a

[35:57] bulbe. Um so, then

[36:00] » But is the is the is your motion that we

[36:04] do a study and this is a prolonged

[36:06] » I I just saw this thing lasting

[36:08] » Back to the parking commission, right?

[36:11] Well,

[36:11] » I don't know who control I mean the end

[36:14] control comes here for that those funds.

[36:18] » I'm looking at

[36:19] » Well, I mean what's what's interesting

[36:20] about this one is that

[36:23] » They recommend to this committee.

[36:25] » Well, but but sir Saranda is in a

[36:28] building that has a large parking lot.

[36:30] » Yes.

[36:30] » Right. And and so you know ordinarily

[36:33] you would

[36:34] » You would think that the direction would

[36:38] be park your vehicles in your parking

[36:40] lot and you know I think the the request

[36:43] is based largely on the parking lot is

[36:46] on the opposite side of the building and

[36:48] they're looking for some space on the

[36:51] I'm not going to say the rear side of

[36:52] the building the other front of the

[36:53] building. Um

[36:55] » River side's good. the Riverside and and

[36:57] so, you know, understand that there are

[36:59] lots of issues and and as the mayor

[37:01] mentioned, we are dealing with a lot a

[37:04] lot of issues right now currently and a

[37:05] lot that are that are coming down the

[37:07] road. But, you know, do you want to deal

[37:10] with this one first in which they have a

[37:13] specific request related to having some

[37:17] parking access on the river side of the

[37:19] building or do you want to wait and go

[37:21] through the parking study process before

[37:23] you act on this particular request? You

[37:26] have a request in front of you. The

[37:28] question really is what do you what do

[37:29] you want to do with it and how do you

[37:32] want to proceed before you make a

[37:34] decision or do you need to do anything

[37:35] more before you make a decision on this

[37:37] particular request? How long does the

[37:38] parking study take,

[37:41] » Mike? Do you remember how long?

[37:43] » Probably gonna take minimum four months

[37:46] if it's hurried

[37:47] » At least.

[37:47] » Yeah, if it's hurried. But six months

[37:50] probably.

[37:50] » Well, and of course they're not they're

[37:52] not would we need to capture summer

[37:54] numbers and everything too? Would we

[37:56] have to go through a

[37:57] » Yeah.

[37:58] » Yeah.

[38:00] » It would be it'd be more expedited this

[38:02] time because we have all that data now

[38:05] with our new system, right?

[38:06] » Oh, true. the previous the previous

[38:08] system we were looking at okay let's

[38:11] look at inventory let's look at churn

[38:13] let's look at

[38:14] » You know what is the bar you know best

[38:16] possible options for you know paid

[38:18] parking moving forward and this is what

[38:21] the city arrived at is our current

[38:23] scenario

[38:24] » Which has worked really really well we

[38:26] have created turnover

[38:28] um you know we don't have long-term

[38:30] parkers and spots that should be for

[38:32] patrons of different establishments or

[38:34] customers um So we would have a lot of

[38:39] the data. Oh, and the old study in 2017

[38:41] also included

[38:43] um looking at, you know, parking

[38:46] structures, things like that. You know,

[38:47] what would our options be? What would

[38:49] that look like from a cost standpoint?

[38:51] You know, tens of millions of dollars,

[38:53] you know, what is your long-term

[38:54] maintenance on those facilities look

[38:55] like, which is a lot. Um, so this one, I

[39:00] think, be done quite a bit quicker, but

[39:02] you'd have the RFP process to begin

[39:04] with, right? So you'd have to go through

[39:06] that. The I'm assuming the the

[39:09] commission would then forward on a

[39:11] recommendation for a preferred vendor

[39:12] with a cost estimate and then I would

[39:16] say

[39:18] from there

[39:18] » So that's going to take several months

[39:19] just right there.

[39:20] » Yes.

[39:22] Um, I would really like to see more

[39:25] information from Saranda on how many

[39:27] people are

[39:30] are in their offices

[39:33] each week or you know each day so that

[39:36] we know what the real need is because I

[39:39] mean we don't have any data from them on

[39:42] what they what they really need

[39:47] and is this just because they want the

[39:49] convenience of parking on the same side

[39:52] of the building as their door or

[39:56] um is is are the is the parking lot on

[39:59] the other side of the building full all

[40:01] the time?

[40:03] » So, I'd like to I'd like to get more

[40:05] information from Saranda.

[40:06] » River City C Center's parking when that

[40:08] project was approved is maxed out,

[40:10] right? So they're required to provide a

[40:12] certain number of parking spots for the

[40:15] redevelopment of that project back 2018

[40:18] certain 201819

[40:20] » Right

[40:21] » So they don't have any extra spaces to

[40:23] spare now the Saranda space or proposed

[40:26] Saranda space or the space of the

[40:28] already

[40:28] » Is part of that calculation right okay

[40:32] » So um this is in addition to that

[40:37] um the one and I don't know if it's been

[40:39] you know stated yet. But you know the

[40:41] one thing and the question is is you

[40:44] know how far are people willing to you

[40:46] know walk or you know travel to get to

[40:49] their place of business. We don't have a

[40:52] permit parking lot in the south end of

[40:54] town.

[40:55] » That's true.

[40:56] » Right in the very south south side. So

[40:58] the closest option they would have would

[41:00] be likely Williams.

[41:03] So,

[41:05] » I' I'd like to see them make the case

[41:07] for us that they really have a need for

[41:09] this for these park the parking. I mean,

[41:12] they made the request, but they I don't

[41:14] think that they've sold the concept to

[41:16] us.

[41:18] So,

[41:20] um I think that would be a minimum next

[41:23] step

[41:25] is to get data on what their real needs

[41:28] are.

[41:32] Go on, just to be devil's advocate, what

[41:35] who's then going to look at all the

[41:36] charts and numbers and say, "Ah, now

[41:38] they do need it or now they don't." I

[41:40] mean,

[41:41] » They're obviously going to say, "We we'd

[41:42] like that for our employees, right?"

[41:44] » And the city's going to say, "Well, I

[41:45] don't know if we want to spare that

[41:46] eight hour." So,

[41:48] » I don't disagree. We're kind of working

[41:50] blind, but again, they made the request,

[41:52] » But it's basically the city to make that

[41:54] available for eight hours regardless of

[41:57] who made the request. It's because

[41:59] again, anyone can park there even during

[42:01] business hours.

[42:02] » Uh it's not private. So, um I'm okay

[42:06] with, you know, if we're waiting for

[42:08] more information, but um I don't know if

[42:10] that's going to shine a light on on a on

[42:12] the answer yes or no on this.

[42:15] » So, does does

[42:18] I I'm hearing all this and I I I'm not

[42:20] disagreeing with anything I've heard. Um

[42:25] does uh coming into this part of the

[42:26] season, boating is pretty much done. Uh

[42:30] things slow down down there. Is it does

[42:33] the ordinance allow us to do a prora

[42:35] six-mon thing until allow for the

[42:38] parking there, permit parking until the

[42:40] boat launch opens again?

[42:42] » Could I mean I think he's looking now,

[42:44] but you could probably assign a just a

[42:46] six months to it.

[42:48] » That's kind of

[42:49] » With this. Yeah. With an end date.

[42:51] » Yeah.

[42:53] allow us to complete a study, too.

[42:55] » Yeah. And I want

[42:56] » That's what I'm thinking. It gives us

[42:57] room then to to get a study in. Uh

[43:02] » Is any thought on that, Mike?

[43:03] » No, I I just want to say I remember

[43:05] Brent, correct me if I'm wrong. I want

[43:06] to say at the parking commission two

[43:09] meetings ago, they said it was 30ish

[43:12] permits that they would be coming in for

[43:17] and they would not all be utilized.

[43:20] They're they're going to request 30

[43:22] permits for 25 spots,

[43:25] » Right? Well, we we allow we applications

[43:28] for

[43:28] » I didn't know how many per I didn't know

[43:30] how that worked. How many uh

[43:31] » Yeah, they're not like filling them all

[43:33] at one time.

[43:33] » So, we over book

[43:34] » If they have 30 employees that may or

[43:36] not

[43:37] » Well, they can park anywhere.

[43:38] » Yeah.

[43:41] So, I'm I would like to postpone this

[43:45] discussion till our next meeting and see

[43:47] if we can get some more data on what

[43:49] their needs really are and how many

[43:51] employees they've got on a typical day.

[43:54] That's working in that

[43:57] um building and how many parking spots

[44:01] are available in the parking lot on that

[44:04] side of the building for those

[44:05] employees.

[44:12] Is that a motion sort of?

[44:14] » I'll make that a motion. Can

[44:18] » With what the mayor said, is that

[44:20] something that we can kind of roll and

[44:21] now we're just kind of globbing stuff

[44:23] onto this motion, but um to see if

[44:26] realistically the the um the boat launch

[44:30] could be a six-month

[44:33] » Solution

[44:33] » Solution to actually what I was

[44:35] » That would be permitted. They'd still

[44:36] have to buy a permit for that.

[44:37] » What I was suggesting actually is that

[44:39] the 25 spots be 6 months.

[44:42] » Okay.

[44:42] » Yeah. Put a sunset on the 25 spots.

[44:44] » Yeah.

[44:45] » Oh. That we try it for 6 months and see

[44:47] how it works.

[44:47] » Well, just through the season through

[44:49] the through the winter because that's

[44:51] it's very slow down there through

[44:53] through this part of the year. That's

[44:54] what we're hearing, right?

[44:55] » Yeah.

[44:56] » And April one or whatever it is.

[44:58] » And then what I guess it's got conflated

[45:00] with me saying then when the boating

[45:02] season starts, that's when things

[45:03] activity starts picking up again in

[45:05] March. end of March, April. Uh and uh

[45:09] and that would buy us some time to maybe

[45:11] get a study in and start to look at this

[45:13] and come up with a permanent decision on

[45:16] what we're what we would do.

[45:19] » I'm thinking that we just wait to make a

[45:22] decision until and suggest that they use

[45:25] the the boat ramp um starting October

[45:28] 1st

[45:29] » For eight hours.

[45:31] » Well, there aren't any regulations that

[45:33] would prevent them from doing that. We

[45:35] make that recommendation to them. If

[45:36] they want a spot for 8 hours, they can

[45:38] park there starting October 1st.

[45:41] » Mike Morz, do we

[45:44] » Maintain?

[45:45] » Do we charge during the winter?

[45:48] » No.

[45:49] » The only problem is then we have to

[45:51] remove snow. I mean, if there's pile

[45:53] » Because it's a liability.

[45:54] » Yep.

[45:55] » Yeah. So then maybe what we do is we

[45:57] make that a a permit lot during the

[46:01] winter

[46:02] so that we bring in some revenue to help

[46:06] pay for snow plowing on that. I don't

[46:08] really want to make

[46:10] » Sure the revenue offsets the expense to

[46:13] » Yeah. I I don't want to add more plowing

[46:15] to your guys because I know they've got

[46:16] plenty to do as it is.

[46:22] » We usually

[46:23] » Yeah. Excuse me.

[46:24] » Sorry.

[46:28] And I think especially if the request

[46:30] was we're looking at those 25 spots,

[46:33] maybe we don't have to plow the entire

[46:35] boat launch. Maybe the that, you know,

[46:39] Eastern League lineup there probably has

[46:42] 25 spots. I would like to make it part

[46:45] of our system. So you either pay by the

[46:47] hour or permit so we so we can capture

[46:51] that income.

[46:52] » Um

[46:55] Yeah. And I I I think that that's

[46:59] I think that's a good solution and then

[47:01] see what happens come spring. If you

[47:03] want to do or if we want to do some more

[47:05] studying things, um we can at least get

[47:07] that revenue and not you know, it'd be

[47:10] hard to say no to to this request and

[47:12] then for the next 6 months it's just

[47:14] empty down there and we say nope, we

[47:16] can't do it. So I I like that solution.

[47:20] I just think that it's this would buy us

[47:23] some time to get some more information.

[47:26] » Yeah.

[47:27] Not that the other thing to consider is

[47:30] signage.

[47:32] » We'd have to install some signage to

[47:33] enforce it. Um

[47:35] » Revision

[47:36] » Ordinance revision. We'd have to, you

[47:39] know, so I mean it's

[47:41] » There is some leg work on this that we

[47:42] would have to do.

[47:43] » Yeah. I guess should you note that this

[47:44] is a ordinance revision to allow for

[47:47] these parking spaces that

[47:49] » Okay. I think that

[47:51] » Even the 25 would be an ordinance.

[47:53] » 25 is an ordinance.

[47:54] » Okay. So, and we're saying the lot would

[47:56] be one too.

[47:59] » That's a good question. I

[48:01] » Well, you could try it on a temporary

[48:02] basis before

[48:04] » You stick on signage and

[48:05] » You still have to sign it and you still

[48:07] have to maintain it, right?

[48:10] » One thing that's clean about this doing

[48:12] the 25 spaces is the signage is there.

[48:14] It's available. We can put that up

[48:16] pretty easily. We can take it down just

[48:18] as easy if you wanted to do it for six

[48:22] months while we study.

[48:25] » That would be my recommendation.

[48:27] » And just so that they're aware that of

[48:29] course it would be they're getting a

[48:30] six-month permit and that may go away or

[48:33] may not.

[48:34] » Yep.

[48:34] » So we prorate a one-year permit for 6

[48:37] months for them.

[48:38] » Yeah.

[48:38] » And then we put up signs. Do we have to

[48:41] change do we have to do anything with

[48:42] the ordinance before we do that?

[48:47] I would just I would just do it on a

[48:48] probationary period at probationary

[48:51] basis at this point.

[48:52] » Do we need to put a probationary sign

[48:53] up?

[48:55] » Whatever you'd like, mayor,

[48:56] » I don't want to do I don't want to put I

[48:58] don't want an expense of putting signs

[48:59] up.

[49:02] » Is that

[49:04] » So

[49:04] » Agreeable to you?

[49:06] » Yeah.

[49:08] » Rich's motion.

[49:10] » Yeah. All right, Sam, what do you got?

[49:16] a motion from no one in particular.

[49:20] I

[49:20] » I would say address the first motion. It

[49:22] probably fail for lack of second

[49:25] potentially, right?

[49:26] » So now we need a fresh motion.

[49:28] » Well, I'm just saying is there a second?

[49:31] I can't ask. Well, you can withdraw it.

[49:33] » I'll withdraw.

[49:34] » I guess I thought it would.

[49:35] » I'll withdraw it.

[49:36] » Okay,

[49:36] » Let's start over.

[49:37] » I just want to make sure we're clean.

[49:38] » Let's have a Yes. Let's have a clean

[49:40] motion.

[49:41] » Okay.

[49:42] » You want me to make a motion? Sure. I'll

[49:43] make a motion to

[49:46] um change the uh existing 25 to

[49:52] permitted work permitted 8 hour

[49:55] um

[49:56] » Oh, I thought we weren't going to change

[49:57] those. I thought we were going to just

[49:58] let them park in the the lot across the

[50:01] street.

[50:03] » Well, it's cleaner to to to have it here

[50:05] with the the A and B. We got We've got

[50:07] the signage ready for it. It's it's

[50:08] available.

[50:09] » Yeah. Prorating the 25.

[50:11] » The 25.

[50:12] » All right. So we allow them those for

[50:13] the winter. Okay.

[50:15] » Yeah.

[50:15] » Yep. For a sixmonth period starting

[50:20] » October one.

[50:21] » Yeah.

[50:25] » And

[50:27] probationary.

[50:28] » Okay. Need anything else?

[50:30] » I don't think so.

[50:31] » All right. Penny second. I'll second it.

[50:36] » Any discussion?

[50:40] » All those in favor? I I

[50:41] » Opposed. Motion's approved.

[50:44] » I've got nothing. Anybody?

[50:45] » Well, is is there a part of this that's

[50:48] a recommendation then to the

[50:50] » The parking committee

[50:52] » To start a process for a new study?

[50:56] » Yes.

[50:56] » Then we'll do a separate motion.

[50:57] » I'll do a separate motion to recommend

[50:59] that um we also

[51:03] » Recommend to the park

[51:04] » Recommend a a parking study to the

[51:06] parking board.

[51:07] » Yep.

[51:08] » A second.

[51:09] » Okay. Motion second. Discussion.

[51:11] All those in favor?

[51:13] » I

[51:13] » Oppose. Motion's approved.

[51:15] » All right. I still have nothing.

[51:18] » Move to adjurnn.

[51:19] » Second.

[51:20] » Motion. Second to adjurnn. All those in

[51:21] favor? I stand adjourned. Thanks

[51:24] everybody. We'll give it five minutes.

[51:26] We'll get started.

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