[1:04] Hello

[1:05] and welcome

[1:07] City of Cleveland Airport Board Meeting

[1:09] for July 9th, 2026. If we could stand,

[1:12] we'll start with the invocation and

[1:13] pledge.

[1:17] Dearly Father, we thank you for this

[1:18] day. We thank you for the

[1:20] opportunity to come and serve the

[1:23] City of Cleveland and the

[1:25] users and tenants at the uh

[1:27] Cleveland Municipal Airport. We pray for

[1:28] your wisdom and guidance in our

[1:30] discussion.

[1:31] Uh give us discernment on any decisions

[1:33] that we make and bless this time

[1:35] together.

[1:36] In Christ's name we pray. Amen.

[1:40] » Let's pledge allegiance.

[1:42] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

[1:45] United States of America

[1:47] and to the Republic for which it stands,

[1:49] one nation under God, indivisible, with

[1:53] liberty and justice for all.

[1:56] » Texas flag.

[1:57] Honor the Texas flag.

[2:00] I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas.

[2:03] One state, under God, one and

[2:06] indivisible.

[2:07] » Thank you.

[2:11] Now for the roll call, we'll start at

[2:13] the end. At the end

[2:14] you have Mr. Jake Litwin, board member.

[2:17] Next to him is Greg Modl, board member.

[2:20] Brian Stafford, board member.

[2:23] Eric, airport manager. And to my right

[2:26] is Albert Cabrera, board member. And I'm

[2:28] Hugh McFarland, the board chair.

[2:32] We have uh

[2:34] no one here from the public to provide

[2:36] public comment, so we'll skip past that

[2:39] and uh

[2:40] we'll move to the reports and comments

[2:42] from board members.

[2:45] Uh so we'll start at the end. Uh Jake,

[2:47] do you have anything to add?

[2:48] » I do have something to add. So

[2:50] I got a huge shout-out to Eric. Uh

[2:52] talked to one of the attendants out

[2:53] there.

[2:54] Said he was

[2:56] Was that an on? Nope, here we go. Uh I

[2:58] got a shout-out for Eric. Uh was hugely

[3:01] helpful for a Cessna 340 getting that in

[3:03] there the other day. I'm sure you know

[3:04] who that's from.

[3:07] » Good. What were they Were they Was it

[3:09] the aircraft in difficulty or is it just

[3:11] a a technical

[3:12] » I'm sure he can answer that.

[3:13] » Yeah, so he was just uh so we had

[3:16] another pilot that was kind of pointing

[3:17] at him and he was like, "Hey, what's

[3:18] going on?" And so he's about to take

[3:20] off. Essentially had his flaps down, so

[3:21] it was Hey, just make sure your flaps

[3:23] are are up before you take off.

[3:25] » Hm. Oh, excellent.

[3:26] Thanks for your observation. That's

[3:28] good.

[3:29] Mr. Modl?

[3:31] » I have no comment, thank you.

[3:32] » Okay.

[3:33] Mr. Stafford, Brian.

[3:34] » I have one. Um I recently attended an

[3:37] air show at Texarkana

[3:39] and they had a very interesting

[3:41] presentation

[3:43] on unleaded fuel for airports. We've

[3:46] kind of talked about this before, but

[3:48] um

[3:49] they have this program the EAA has put

[3:52] out, it's called Eagle.

[3:54] And

[3:55] apparently all airports have to be

[3:58] um completely unleaded. In other words,

[4:00] no leaded 100 LL by the year of 2030.

[4:05] So, I wanted to kind of bring this up to

[4:07] see if I don't know I'm new here, so I

[4:09] don't know if you all have discussed

[4:09] this in the past and what our plans are

[4:12] moving forward to make our airport

[4:14] unleaded.

[4:16] » We have not had this

[4:17] to my knowledge any discussion on

[4:19] unleaded aviation fuel. I know it's been

[4:21] a hot topic out on the West Coast for

[4:23] some time, but uh

[4:26] fortunately it hasn't made it here

[4:28] to my knowledge. Eric, have you heard

[4:30] anything on that from a management side?

[4:33] » Uh no, and it's kind of been thrown out.

[4:35] Went recently through a fire safety and

[4:37] fuel farm training and it was just

[4:40] thrown out there as well.

[4:42] Um I think it'd probably be a good

[4:43] discussion to talk about a little bit

[4:44] more research for an agenda item and

[4:46] then we could talk about uh

[4:48] uh

[4:49] that for our um our next meeting.

[4:51] » Yeah, we certainly need more guidance

[4:53] from uh the FAA and the engine

[4:55] manufacturers and there's been a

[4:58] uh you know, ongoing

[5:00] uh

[5:01] debate about the

[5:04] I guess the safety and the the uh

[5:07] distribution of

[5:09] uh unleaded avgas.

[5:11] But we certainly want to be uh

[5:14] you know,

[5:16] aware and on the front end of that as

[5:17] much as we can.

[5:18] Uh

[5:19] but we haven't had any formal

[5:21] discussions. Yes, sir.

[5:23] » I am I knew that debate and we were

[5:25] certainly moving in that direction

[5:27] nationally, but I had not heard that we

[5:29] had an absolute date

[5:31] marked on the calendar saying it's got

[5:32] to be done by here. I hadn't heard that

[5:34] yet. So,

[5:35] » I neither.

[5:35] » Yeah. So, we know research it, go to

[5:37] faa.gov and just

[5:39] um do the search tool and look up the

[5:41] word Eagle.

[5:42] » Okay.

[5:42] » And you know, it it pulls right up.

[5:44] » Okay. Great. I'll look into that. Thank

[5:46] you.

[5:46] Um Albert, do you have anything to add?

[5:49] » Not right now. Thank you.

[5:50] » Okay.

[5:50] And I didn't have anything

[5:53] in particular

[5:55] to mention on that. So,

[5:57] we'll go to the manager's report. Mr.

[6:00] Eric.

[6:02] » Um so, we're in the month of you know

[6:06] July. So,

[6:08] collecting the last little bit of rent

[6:11] for that

[6:12] for the tenants for the airport and

[6:16] currently trying to get some maintenance

[6:17] issues done but pretty much that's all I

[6:20] I have right now.

[6:22] » I know that you had mentioned one time

[6:23] of

[6:26] that we had a conversation about

[6:28] resurfacing or something the striping

[6:30] and

[6:31] resurfacing with some of the funds. Is

[6:33] that Can you

[6:34] » Yeah, that's part of the maintenance.

[6:36] So,

[6:37] council has approved moving forward

[6:40] using highlight aviation services for

[6:43] remarking of the runway and taxiways.

[6:46] PO has been submitted and so now we're

[6:48] just waiting for their timeline to see

[6:50] to get it done.

[6:52] We want to get it done by the end of

[6:53] this month depending on how their

[6:56] schedule looks like.

[6:57] We'll see if we could get it done but

[6:59] it'll probably require

[7:02] a few days of closing to get that done.

[7:05] » Would that entail in closing

[7:07] the runway

[7:09] entirely or could we do it in sections

[7:11] where we could have say that you know

[7:15] some access to the runway is it

[7:16] » So, I haven't talked to the project

[7:18] manager yet. I'm waiting for his phone

[7:20] call but

[7:21] from what I

[7:22] what I gather it looks like it's going

[7:23] to be closing of the entire runway to

[7:26] get it done. This should be So, they

[7:28] have to demo all the old stuff. So,

[7:31] it'll probably take a week I think to

[7:33] get all that stuff done.

[7:35] » So,

[7:37] a week of demo and then restriping. Is

[7:39] this

[7:40] » Week is demo and installation, so

[7:43] I think just I I think it's going to

[7:45] only take just a week in total totality.

[7:48] » Okay. So, we could uh

[7:51] then I would certainly ask that we would

[7:53] get as much notice as we could on that.

[7:55] » As soon as we hear um

[7:57] the schedules, we'll definitely uh push

[7:59] it out to everybody to let everybody be

[8:01] aware of when uh that schedule will

[8:03] happen.

[8:05] » Okay.

[8:07] » [clears throat]

[8:10] » All right, consideration and possible

[8:11] action on the following uh

[8:14] approval of uh meeting minutes

[8:16] uh from the

[8:19] We have two meetings, correct? Uh so,

[8:22] the regular meeting in February 12th and

[8:23] special called meeting in March 17th.

[8:26] Uh

[8:29] Anybody recommend the approval of those

[8:31] uh minutes?

[8:32] » I

[8:33] I recommend that the board approve the

[8:34] minutes.

[8:34] » All right.

[8:35] I second it. Let's

[8:37] draw on both of those. All right.

[8:40] Mr. Drake, okay.

[8:42] Okay. So, the

[8:43] uh meeting minutes have been approved

[8:45] for

[8:47] the February 12th and March 17th uh

[8:51] board meetings.

[8:52] Our discussion and possible

[8:53] recommendation to council on the

[8:54] following, the airport layout plan for

[8:56] board member input.

[8:58] So, this

[9:00] there was a a presentation by the city

[9:02] uh to tenants on this

[9:05] uh layout plan uh

[9:07] previously. I personally was not there.

[9:09] I was uh traveling. Uh

[9:12] and I know

[9:13] uh we wanted to kind of bring it towards

[9:15] the board to to discuss it, and that's

[9:18] what we're

[9:19] trying to accomplish tonight.

[9:21] » And so, um

[9:22] to accomplish that, uh we invited

[9:24] Woolpert back over, and so they'll give

[9:26] us a uh a short presentation of what was

[9:29] discussed and um

[9:31] their final uh hopefully um

[9:33] recommendations for the ALP.

[9:36] » Okay.

[9:37] All right, thank you.

[9:41] Now, are they going to

[9:41] » Yeah, Erica, yeah, we can

[9:43] » Okay.

[9:44] » Um present our our final layout here if

[9:47] you like. I can share my screen.

[9:49] » All right, we see that.

[9:50] » And um

[9:52] present what we have here. Let me

[9:59] Okay, can you see my screen okay?

[10:02] » Yes, sir.

[10:03] » Okay, great. Well, um yeah, we on May

[10:06] 18th, we presented um a draft layout

[10:11] plan

[10:12] uh to a city council during workshop.

[10:15] And uh we received some comments from

[10:18] members of city council as well as

[10:21] attendees, uh airport tenants at the

[10:24] airport that were there as well.

[10:26] And uh you know, we we've heard you.

[10:29] We've got your comments and we've made

[10:31] some adjustments to this layout to

[10:33] address those. And this layout that

[10:36] we're looking at here reflects those

[10:38] changes.

[10:39] Um the primary comment that we received

[10:43] and we've addressed in this cer- centers

[10:46] around the existing terminal building.

[10:49] Uh the thought was it would be

[10:51] beneficial to keep the terminal building

[10:54] as it is today

[10:56] and um build around that. Uh that that

[11:00] might be usable for

[11:02] uh future flight school or or tenant

[11:05] use, a pilot lounge,

[11:08] um anybody that is accessing the

[11:11] airfield. Um

[11:13] One thing that I I mentioned during the

[11:15] workshop was our interest in separating

[11:20] the the visitors, the non-aeronautical

[11:23] visitors, the general public to the

[11:26] airport from

[11:28] uh the aircraft movement areas and the

[11:30] remainder of the airfield. And so, what

[11:34] we show here is a

[11:36] a new terminal building that will house

[11:40] the FBO,

[11:41] lounge facilities,

[11:44] perhaps even a restaurant, just the the

[11:46] public use, public access area of the

[11:49] airport. And then right after the

[11:52] entrance of that um into the next to the

[11:56] parking lot for that, we have a a gate

[11:59] that would separate um those that are

[12:02] visiting the airport and for general

[12:04] purpose from the tenants and users that

[12:08] have access to the airfield. So, we're

[12:11] wanting to separate those

[12:13] those visitors, those that have aircraft

[12:16] or reason to be on in the movement area

[12:20] opposed to those that are just visiting

[12:22] the airport. And so, we have a gate here

[12:26] that will separate those uses.

[12:29] Pilots,

[12:30] those that are are aeronautical in

[12:33] nature can drive down the access road as

[12:35] it is today.

[12:37] And then you'll see that there are

[12:38] several turn-off locations for vehicles

[12:41] to access either the far side of the

[12:45] of the terminal or the the hangar areas.

[12:49] Others also roadways that lead to some

[12:52] of the general hangar areas,

[12:55] but these are onto

[12:57] taxiways and movement areas, and that's

[12:59] why we wanted to separate those uses.

[13:01] So, and that's the main reason that we

[13:04] initially thought, well, removing the

[13:06] terminal building as it is today might

[13:08] be beneficial because we're trying to

[13:10] segregate those users. But if it were to

[13:12] stay

[13:14] as pilot we use lounge, flight school

[13:17] perhaps,

[13:18] then then that building could stay. In

[13:21] our initial plan, we showed a hangar in

[13:24] this location.

[13:26] Um we could not keep that hangar if

[13:29] we're going to keep the existing

[13:31] terminal building uh, because it would

[13:33] be too close to the runway and taxiway

[13:36] system. So, the idea would be to bridge

[13:40] the the existing apron to one of the

[13:44] other apron areas and taxi lane areas.

[13:47] We would bridge that to provide a a

[13:49] thoroughfare or additional parking

[13:52] um, and and bridge those pavement areas

[13:55] and retain the terminal area and the

[13:58] facilities within it.

[14:00] Um,

[14:01] the hangar area that we documented at

[14:04] the last time we showed a mix of

[14:06] T-hangars, box hangars.

[14:09] Um, those would remain here. We have Our

[14:12] goal is to provide a variety of

[14:16] uh,

[14:17] uh, hangar types to attract and

[14:20] accommodate various users to the

[14:23] airport. So, here you see a collection

[14:25] of 14 box uh, sorry, 14 T-hangar nested

[14:29] T-hangars. And then we also have a

[14:32] collection of uh, box hangars. I believe

[14:35] these measure 60 by 60. Uh, be able to

[14:38] accommodate, you know, most of the

[14:40] aircraft that are are based at the

[14:42] airport today and many of those that are

[14:45] on the wait list.

[14:47] Um, another significant project that

[14:49] we're showing in this plan is the uh,

[14:52] redevelopment of this taxiway.

[14:55] Um, the primary purpose for that is to

[14:58] achieve necessary separation to meet FAA

[15:01] design standards. When this airport

[15:05] someday reaches what we call a B2

[15:07] classification,

[15:09] that would be used to accommodate

[15:11] business jet type aircraft, a greater

[15:14] separation of the taxiway would be

[15:16] necessary in this area. The existing

[15:19] taxiway,

[15:20] um,

[15:21] uh, along this side of the airport

[15:24] is adequate. It's It's separated by 240

[15:27] ft. We're looking just to separate this

[15:30] segment in red here, the existing

[15:32] taxiway, by 240 ft. And then that would

[15:36] create this full-length parallel taxiway

[15:39] without a jog in it that you have today.

[15:42] Uh, this area is shaded in red to show

[15:45] the demolition of this segment of

[15:47] pavement. Main reason for that

[15:51] is to, uh,

[15:53] to, uh, require pilots to take a 90°

[15:56] turn as they taxi from the apron area to

[16:00] the runway. The idea here is is to avoid

[16:04] a direct connection between the apron

[16:07] and the runway without the pilot having

[16:09] to make a conscious turn. That's an FAA

[16:13] directive. It helps reduce, uh,

[16:15] accidental runway incursion by by, uh,

[16:19] creating a upturn for the pilot to make

[16:22] and consciously,

[16:24] um,

[16:24] renew his kind of awareness of of where

[16:27] he is on the airfield, taxiway versus

[16:29] runway.

[16:31] Um, here we're showing additional apron

[16:34] area, just the expansion of this to

[16:37] allow for increased aircraft, uh,

[16:40] taxiing and parking near the terminal

[16:42] area. So it's kind of an easy in and out

[16:45] type of operation here,

[16:47] um, letting the letting pilots and

[16:50] transients use this area. Uh, this area

[16:53] would be served by,

[16:55] um,

[16:56] uh, fuel through a fuel truck. We would

[16:59] We would keep the existing fuel

[17:01] facilities where they are. Um, they

[17:04] would be,

[17:05] uh, in any future fuel expansion or

[17:09] development would be still accommodated

[17:11] within this, uh, area if we need to.

[17:14] They We have plenty of room for

[17:16] expansion or changes in the fuel system

[17:19] in this area if they were necessary.

[17:23] Um this hangar which is really not there

[17:25] today, we're showing as existing because

[17:27] there is an existing plan for this box

[17:29] hangar here.

[17:31] Now we showed some options for accessing

[17:33] that. Either it would be within this

[17:36] area here, this existing taxi lane, or

[17:39] we we've shown some additional pavement

[17:42] if the hangar were to have an access

[17:45] uh to this area,

[17:47] um they would be able to access it from

[17:49] from either this side or this side

[17:51] depending on

[17:52] um how the doors are configured and the

[17:54] the building is erected.

[17:56] Um you can see we're adding vehicle

[17:58] parking throughout this layout just to

[18:01] expand

[18:02] parking for

[18:04] uh users and tenants, um visitors down

[18:07] here at the terminal building and so on.

[18:10] So there weren't a lot of changes from

[18:12] our initial draft. I wanted to just

[18:15] briefly go over the entire plan with you

[18:18] uh just because I know some of you were

[18:20] not there at our uh workshop with the

[18:23] city council.

[18:24] But um be happy to address any questions

[18:27] or comments that you may have.

[18:29] » I have one uh

[18:31] Tony on the

[18:32] the red section of the

[18:34] uh

[18:35] the

[18:36] area that you described to prevent uh

[18:38] the

[18:39] aircraft uh from

[18:41] you know, entering the runway. You said

[18:42] they wanted to make a a 90° turn that

[18:44] area right there. Is that

[18:46] » Yes.

[18:46] » How is that accomplished cuz that looks

[18:48] like they're just

[18:49] uh

[18:50] » That it it could be one of two ways. Um

[18:53] this we're showing as demo, we would

[18:55] demo this pavement.

[18:57] » Okay.

[18:57] » However, um there is the option to

[19:00] simply paint that pavement. You might

[19:03] have seen at some commercial airports

[19:05] where they have areas of

[19:07] pavement painted green, you know, kind

[19:09] of like an island. Um that's a

[19:11] possibility here without having to

[19:13] remove the pavement, you could actually

[19:15] stripe it, paint a solid color so that

[19:17] it's obvious to a pilot that this is not

[19:19] movement area.

[19:21] » Okay. And the other sections up along

[19:23] the the main entrance road uh a beam the

[19:26] where the aviation

[19:28] uh

[19:28] » Right here?

[19:29] » Yeah, that those sections that are red

[19:31] in there. What is that indicating?

[19:33] » Those Yeah, that's the removal of

[19:34] pavement. Um so here we have the

[19:37] entrance road going to the existing

[19:39] terminal building. That would come out.

[19:41] Um

[19:43] Um that would allow us to build

[19:45] additional hangars here.

[19:47] Um some existing taxiway connections and

[19:50] roadway connections we would modify. We

[19:53] would narrow this existing what what's

[19:55] existing as kind of like a taxiway

[19:57] today, we would basically reconstruct

[20:00] this as roadway for vehicle vehicle

[20:03] access and not aircraft. And then we

[20:05] would build a a new taxiway connector

[20:08] here to allow a more efficient use of

[20:11] aircraft movement without having to go

[20:14] where parked vehicles are or down here

[20:17] where we have hangar development. So

[20:19] this the Yeah, this red area here as

[20:22] well as this is shown in red to

[20:25] represent uh demolished pavement.

[20:27] » Okay, thank you.

[20:29] » You're welcome.

[20:31] » Hey Tony, this is Greg Model and uh

[20:33] thank you again for joining us this

[20:34] evening. Um I did attend the workshop

[20:37] and I thought of something else after

[20:39] that that I wanted to bring up uh

[20:41] tonight. And that is um on the north

[20:44] side during the demo area where

[20:46] currently hangar Q rests

[20:49] and that's being marked for demolition

[20:50] which we expect. Um

[20:53] » Mhm.

[20:54] » So as tenants

[20:56] of the field who hangar do their

[20:59] self-service fuel, they're ready to

[21:01] depart on runway 16,

[21:04] what's your vision for the run-up area?

[21:06] » Yeah, I was thinking about that this

[21:08] morning. Um

[21:09] we we did not show a run-up area

[21:13] uh here. Generally, you you would have a

[21:16] run-up. Um I will look into that, but I

[21:19] do like that idea. Uh similar to the

[21:22] other end of the runway, we're showing a

[21:25] a run-up area right here at the corner

[21:28] where the turn is. Um

[21:30] I'm not sure if we have enough room to

[21:34] illustrate the run-up area without being

[21:37] on this pavement right here. The run-up

[21:39] should stand by itself and not be

[21:42] connected to other areas like this apron

[21:45] pavement here. So, I I will absolutely

[21:48] do that, show a run-up area here. That

[21:51] might mean that we have to narrow this

[21:53] pavement here, which I don't think is uh

[21:57] a deal breaker. I think we could narrow

[21:59] this slightly and then show our run-up

[22:02] area here. I like that idea. Thank you.

[22:04] » And Johnny, while I'm while we're on

[22:06] that topic, where you currently have

[22:08] your cursor, that white pavement area,

[22:11] uh that's existing pavement. That's

[22:13] typically what is used as a run-up now.

[22:17] Um runway 16, as I know you're aware, is

[22:20] our primary use runway

[22:23] uh because during calm winds or

[22:24] predominant southerly winds, uh that's

[22:27] where we are. So, a lot of heavy

[22:29] traffic, so we do need some segregation

[22:32] where people are not having to remain on

[22:33] the taxiway in order to do their run-up.

[22:36] So, whatever that solution is, I think

[22:38] it is something. I do have a question,

[22:40] though. Um

[22:41] » Okay.

[22:42] » Since um is it

[22:44] uh I don't know the right word. Is it

[22:46] out of bounds, so to speak, to have a

[22:48] run-up area in this case north of the

[22:52] threshold of six, even though it's

[22:54] offset in line with the taxiway?

[22:57] Is that in a runway protection zone or

[23:00] or

[23:00] the right phrase is? Or is that

[23:02] allowable in the new construction?

[23:05] » Um it

[23:06] That's a great question, and it is not

[23:08] in the runway protection zone. That's

[23:10] starting right here, identified, but

[23:14] it is not um an FAA design standard to

[23:18] construct it before the threshold like

[23:20] it is today.

[23:22] » Okay.

[23:22] » We would seek to We would seek to have

[23:24] it in line

[23:25] or

[23:27] or before the threshold if you're

[23:29] taxiing down this taxiway. So, I would

[23:32] not continue to show this. This is not a

[23:36] customary layout that the FAA and TxDOT

[23:40] would be supportive of.

[23:42] » But, it could be used for parking for

[23:44] the terminal terminal building.

[23:46] » Yes, it could be Yeah, absolutely.

[23:48] That's why we kept it here. We're not

[23:50] showing that in red. We do want to

[23:52] continue to use that. That's valuable

[23:54] pavement. You can park aircraft. You can

[23:56] move and station them on this apron. Um

[24:00] it just would not be a way to access the

[24:04] runway from a run-up area.

[24:06] » Okay.

[24:07] » If I could add something to that, uh

[24:09] Tony, uh

[24:10] that area

[24:11] if you're

[24:12] if you move back on taxiway Alpha as

[24:14] you're moving uh

[24:16] from that area where your cursor is,

[24:19] if you

[24:20] just to the north of that, if it bulged

[24:22] out,

[24:23] uh kind of

[24:25] » Oh, right here?

[24:27] » Uh let's see where you

[24:29] uh

[24:29] » I'm at the intersection of the taxiway

[24:31] and a connector?

[24:32] » Yeah, if you go towards the approach

[24:33] into 16 on that taxiway, and then as

[24:36] after you pass that last hangar, and the

[24:40] this Alpha the

[24:42] Alpha hangar there, if you keep going uh

[24:44] to the

[24:45] » Okay.

[24:46] » Northwest there,

[24:47] and

[24:47] » Okay.

[24:48] » Right after that little taxiway area

[24:50] there, if if the taxiway if you

[24:53] if it bulged out from there and

[24:56] encroached on that

[24:58] dark [clears throat] gray parking area

[25:01] and then terminated

[25:03] prior to that entrance taxiway.

[25:07] It would be allow people that are coming

[25:09] from all the

[25:10] hangars and tingers to conduct their

[25:12] run-up

[25:13] prior to that taxiway that leads onto

[25:15] the runway approaching the runway

[25:17] and people that would not block area the

[25:21] transient people coming from that

[25:24] the FO

[25:27] city building there onto the runway so

[25:29] that

[25:30] that taxiway is not encumbered uh for

[25:34] people trying to do run-up. Everything

[25:35] is conducted

[25:37] to the southeast of the that final

[25:39] taxiway.

[25:41] And

[25:42] you know, that would you would lose some

[25:44] aircraft parking in that area, but that

[25:45] could maybe be compensated with that

[25:47] area the the white area that Gray was

[25:49] mentioning.

[25:50] And uh

[25:51] cuz I don't think you want aircraft

[25:54] congregating down at the

[25:56] approaching taxiway entrance to the

[25:58] runway trying to do run-ups.

[26:01] » Right.

[26:02] » Right where your cursor is there, if

[26:03] that bulged out

[26:05] and into a

[26:06] » Yeah, bulged out into here.

[26:08] » Yes. Yes, sir. All that was considered a

[26:11] run-up area and then you would have the

[26:13] taxiway that would connect that new ramp

[26:15] area.

[26:16] Wouldn't be So, anybody that goes past

[26:18] that, they're ready for departure.

[26:19] They're not being held up if they're

[26:21] waiting their IFR clearance or whatnot.

[26:23] We don't

[26:24] » Right.

[26:25] » You know

[26:26] » Yeah, that's Yeah, that's exactly

[26:29] um

[26:29] that's exactly what my thinking is is

[26:31] that we we put that run-up area

[26:33] somewhere along here, and you're right,

[26:36] that would have

[26:38] that would require us to narrow this

[26:41] slightly, but that that is fine. We have

[26:44] abundant area here. We initially showed

[26:48] this area wide enough to allow aircraft

[26:52] to fully station outside of this hangar

[26:55] right here. That's why it's as wide as

[26:57] it as it is. We can narrow it and allow

[27:01] aircraft to taxi here back and forth,

[27:05] um

[27:06] but it may require aircraft that are in

[27:09] these hang uh just along the the face of

[27:11] these hangars here to to only stage

[27:15] briefly

[27:17] to allow aircraft to to move back and

[27:19] forth along those hangars without you

[27:22] know impeding traffic.

[27:25] » Okay.

[27:27] Yeah, from this diagram it looks like

[27:29] the people in that that parallel hangar

[27:31] complex uh

[27:33] would enter the taxiway from that

[27:35] southeast side.

[27:37] » Mhm.

[27:37] » So, they wouldn't come in right into

[27:39] that gray area. They would go out to the

[27:41] southeast and then to the west and then

[27:43] join that taxiway, right?

[27:45] » Right.

[27:45] » Just like they do today.

[27:47] » Yeah.

[27:48] » Right, just like they do today. This

[27:50] would Yeah, this configuration

[27:52] essentially allows for aircraft to taxi

[27:55] past them as they're in position on this

[27:57] taxi lane right here.

[27:59] » Okay.

[27:59] » If we have to narrow this

[28:03] and take out some of this new pavement

[28:05] here, we might have to share this taxi

[28:08] lane with those aircraft going to the

[28:10] terminal area and the ones that are

[28:13] staging outside of these hangars.

[28:16] » But wouldn't that area that parallel

[28:19] what what complex

[28:20] » What is that? That's

[28:20] » Alpha.

[28:21] » Alpha complex. Okay. Alpha hangars.

[28:24] » Mhm.

[28:25] » Isn't that segregated from the this

[28:28] tenant

[28:29] uh general parking area?

[28:32] Cuz you're you're wanting to segregate

[28:35] uh general population transients from

[28:38] based, correct?

[28:40] » Based?

[28:40] » Yes. Yes, the the fence the fence or

[28:43] gate would be right here right behind

[28:45] the turn into the terminal building.

[28:47] » Okay. So

[28:48] » Will all be this will all be tenant and

[28:52] uh

[28:53] private use air air aeronautical.

[28:55] » But But you're saying that they're

[28:56] sharing this taxiway, the the tenants

[28:59] and

[29:00] » The

[29:01] the the aircraft that are taxing to this

[29:03] terminal building

[29:04] » Mhm.

[29:06] » Would would taxi along this gray section

[29:09] here

[29:09] » Right.

[29:10] » And would allow but would be separated

[29:13] far enough to allow aircraft to stay and

[29:15] stand by out here in front of those

[29:17] hangars at the same time. If we have to

[29:21] narrow this, we may not be able to have

[29:24] that dual aircraft access

[29:27] uh in this area. That's what I'm getting

[29:30] at.

[29:30] » Okay. I I I I follow you now better.

[29:33] » Okay.

[29:33] » So cuz you don't have the taxiway

[29:35] connecting if you go all the way to the

[29:37] approach end of 16, that taxiway that

[29:40] makes it right right here.

[29:41] » Right.

[29:42] » We can't access that new area with the

[29:44] taxiway to connect connecting there.

[29:48] » Uh no. No, we we can't do that. For one,

[29:52] we have direct apron to to to runway

[29:56] access like I was talking about down

[29:58] here. We would effectively be recreating

[30:01] that if we copied that down here.

[30:03] » Okay. That makes sense.

[30:04] » Uh

[30:05] and and the the other issue is you know,

[30:07] like run up and movement area before the

[30:10] threshold. Um that should be that should

[30:14] be here. Um and that's why we've

[30:17] separated these two areas effectively

[30:20] with an island in between.

[30:21] » Okay.

[30:23] » So

[30:24] So Tony, that this this whole area with

[30:26] the the parallel hangar that I guess the

[30:28] Alpha hangar and the new area, all that

[30:31] apron is all shared. There's no barrier

[30:34] separating those two. I think that's

[30:36] what you're getting at, sir. It's all

[30:38] It's all open, but then the only access

[30:41] to the taxi to the runway is through

[30:44] um this is is there. Yeah.

[30:47] » Yeah. Yeah.

[30:48] » I was thinking there was a barrier or

[30:49] something in between there to to

[30:51] » No, no, there's no barrier. It's Yeah,

[30:53] it's kind of kind of hard to visualize

[30:55] when you have two different colors like

[30:57] this, but yeah, I would consider this

[30:59] all one

[31:01] apron.

[31:01] » Okay.

[31:02] » A one movement uh pavement area.

[31:05] » Okay.

[31:05] » When it's all done. The same for this.

[31:07] This will be a large apron, much larger

[31:09] than what it looks like here when dark

[31:11] gray, because we'll be maintaining this

[31:14] existing white pavement area that we

[31:17] have today. So, it'll be connected to

[31:20] it. This will be a pretty sizable

[31:22] uh apron area, not not much

[31:25] smaller than what we see down here.

[31:28] » Okay. Is there anything at the other at

[31:30] the 3-4 end that is not visible on this

[31:34] diagram?

[31:35] » Uh no, sir. We didn't show any other

[31:38] development. I'll I'll show the whole

[31:40] layout. Um this

[31:42] this drawing shows what we call a

[31:44] variety of building restriction lines.

[31:47] I'm sorry, it it's a little messy, but

[31:49] it shows us what what building heights

[31:51] we're restricted to.

[31:53] Uh but no, you can see down here on the

[31:55] 3-4 end, we don't have any additional um

[32:00] uh landside facilities. We are

[32:02] recommending runway end identifier

[32:04] lights on each end of the runway.

[32:06] That'll be included in the plan. That's

[32:08] just not shown here.

[32:10] » And the area that's on the that the the

[32:13] service road that goes around the

[32:15] the I guess that would be the east side.

[32:18] Is that already

[32:20] Is that airport property currently?

[32:24] » Uh yes.

[32:25] » Okay. So, there's no

[32:27] » Um

[32:27] » Land acquisition that has to take place

[32:29] to accommodate what you've drawn.

[32:30] » It it might be part of economic

[32:33] development, but it's in in the county's

[32:35] purview, yes.

[32:36] » Okay, all right.

[32:41] Tony, this is Greg again.

[32:43] Just a G Wiz question. Some of the

[32:46] things that are designated in green as

[32:48] box hangers, is that all interchangeable

[32:51] if at some point in the future due to

[32:53] demand the city would to decide to make

[32:56] those nested T hangers instead? All of

[32:59] that is part of the evolution of this

[33:01] plan, correct?

[33:02] » Absolutely, yes. Yeah, that's an

[33:05] important point to bring up that this is

[33:08] just a basic idea of the direction that

[33:10] the airport may want to go.

[33:12] This plan is changeable. Uh TexDOT is

[33:16] not going to hold your feet to the fire,

[33:18] so to speak, with all of this

[33:20] development. It's very flexible. The

[33:23] idea is to show a concept of growth, um

[33:27] a a way to meet a variety of needs, and

[33:31] if that changes over time, this is

[33:33] certainly um revisable. Not just not

[33:37] just the types of hangers, but the

[33:38] layout itself

[33:40] is is really not set in stone. Um

[33:44] it can change over time based upon the

[33:46] airport's needs and the community and

[33:49] it's focused on focus on airport

[33:52] development.

[33:59] » And one last question then, I don't mean

[34:01] to dominate this thing, but right there

[34:04] on the west side of the terminal built

[34:07] existing terminal building,

[34:09] uh where you've added pavement in dark

[34:11] gray, and then immediately west of it is

[34:14] still the light green that elongated

[34:17] that is grass, I presume.

[34:20] » Yeah, that's grass to maintain what we

[34:22] call a taxiway object-free area.

[34:25] » Okay.

[34:26] » So, that that emits from the center line

[34:29] of the taxi lane to the edges of these

[34:32] buildings and to uh not quite the edge

[34:35] of this pavement here. It's It's in that

[34:38] green area. So, we try to preserve

[34:40] pavement area. It's It's really more

[34:42] toward the close to the edge of these

[34:44] green buildings here.

[34:46] » Okay.

[34:46] » That's the edge of the taxiway

[34:49] object-free area.

[34:50] » Okay. And I was actually referring to

[34:52] the one even further west than that,

[34:54] right adjacent to taxiway alpha.

[34:57] That's the

[34:59] » Oh, this area here?

[35:01] » Be even further south.

[35:02] » It

[35:03] » I mean uh west, further west. Excuse me,

[35:05] I'm

[35:06] » Right along the taxiway to

[35:07] » Right along the taxiway alpha.

[35:10] Keep coming down. There we go. That one

[35:11] right there. That light green area

[35:13] there, yes.

[35:14] » Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[35:16] » That's okay.

[35:17] » Um yeah, this is preserved as uh

[35:20] essentially island area in between the

[35:23] taxiway. This is the typical,

[35:25] you know, island that you would see

[35:26] between an apron area and a a taxiway.

[35:31] It's certainly developable. I mean, you

[35:33] you have that today. You have a taxiway

[35:36] along the edge of the apron, which is

[35:37] very very common.

[35:39] Um

[35:41] but um yeah, we in this layout we chose

[35:44] to preserve that island there. Um it

[35:47] really wouldn't You wouldn't gain a

[35:49] whole lot if you were to develop this.

[35:52] You might have room for additional

[35:54] tie-downs, but you would not have room

[35:56] for any structures. It's too close to

[35:58] the runway.

[35:59] » What is the um distance, the closest

[36:02] distance you can be to a taxiway with a

[36:05] structure? Like you had mentioned you

[36:06] had taken away your original plan for

[36:09] the box hanger that would overlap the

[36:11] existing

[36:12] terminal building. You had to delete

[36:14] that plan because it was too close to

[36:17] the planned taxiway, I think you said.

[36:19] What What is that distance? Just

[36:21] curious.

[36:23] » Um

[36:24] in our ultimate configuration we're

[36:26] attempting to accommodate C-II aircraft,

[36:29] which is

[36:31] mid-size corporate jet. Um the taxi lane

[36:34] object free area, which is related to

[36:38] all these hang the pavement in between

[36:40] hangars

[36:41] is 110 ft of separation. That's from

[36:46] edge to edge of that object free area or

[36:51] you know, or what is it? 55 ft from the

[36:54] center line of the taxiway or taxi lane

[36:56] in this case going out.

[36:59] » Okay, thank you, Tanya.

[37:01] » You're welcome. It's a It's a greater

[37:03] separation requirement for the taxiway

[37:05] itself.

[37:07] Um taxi lanes, they can be a little bit

[37:09] closer together because the aircraft are

[37:11] moving slower.

[37:13] Um

[37:14] but the way to think about it is a taxi

[37:17] lane serves a taxiway. It leads to a

[37:20] taxiway and a taxiway leads to a runway.

[37:24] So, we have a lot of taxi lanes in this

[37:26] configuration, as you can tell.

[37:31] » Sir, a question. What is the number of

[37:33] new hangars that we're expecting?

[37:35] » Any other questions, comments, or ideas?

[37:39] » Yes, sir. Hello.

[37:40] Um what is the number of new hangars

[37:42] we're expecting to have at the airport?

[37:45] » Uh we have 14 T-hangars in this

[37:48] configuration.

[37:50] Um and then we have I believe it was 14.

[37:53] Maybe I might be wrong here. We got six,

[37:56] 11, 14

[37:58] uh

[37:59] and uh 18 18 box hangars.

[38:05] Um like I said, these I believe are 60

[38:07] by 60. This one to clear a

[38:10] a uh

[38:12] a right-of-way for a gas line. Uh this

[38:15] is a little smaller. This is a 50 by 50.

[38:19] But there's uh yeah, there's

[38:21] some definite growth opportunities here.

[38:23] Uh 18 box hangars, 14 T-hangars.

[38:27] Um

[38:28] that's not quite doubling the capacity

[38:31] of the airport, but the airport does

[38:33] have a significant

[38:35] uh waitlist.

[38:36] Um this again, this plan is intended to

[38:39] provide some flexibility

[38:41] so that you can develop um as warrant

[38:45] demands. If you would if you saw you

[38:48] know, interest in a tenant coming to the

[38:50] airport that was really interested in a

[38:52] box hangar, not necessarily a T-hangar,

[38:55] you could give them an idea of where

[38:58] um the airport envisions that happening.

[39:00] If you had if the count I'm sorry, if

[39:03] the city or a developer was interested

[39:06] in constructing a a T-hangar complex

[39:10] um you have a plan for that. So, it all

[39:12] depends on

[39:14] you know, the initiative behind it.

[39:16] These are ideas of where they can go.

[39:18] And like I said before, it can change.

[39:20] » Okay.

[39:21] Thank you. Is there anything else?

[39:22] » Yes, sir. A couple more if I may. What

[39:25] is the timeline for actually make a

[39:27] commitment on building these hangars and

[39:30] doing all these renovations?

[39:32] » We're going to do So, after the plan is

[39:35] approved, we do a phased uh

[39:39] um

[39:40] cost estimate around these projects and

[39:43] we phase them into

[39:45] a 0 to 5-year time frame, 5 to 10, and

[39:48] then a 10 to 20-year time frame.

[39:51] Um that's really just for developing

[39:53] cost estimates behind them. It's not

[39:56] necessarily phasing the projects because

[39:59] like I said, the demand for these

[40:01] facilities might

[40:03] might come and go depending upon

[40:05] interest. So, we're really just wanting

[40:08] to show what the rough cost would be for

[40:12] developing each kind of structure. The

[40:15] The exact timing of all of this is

[40:17] really up to the city and the interest

[40:20] that uh tenants display.

[40:23] » What's the atmosphere right now with the

[40:24] city as far as when they start doing it?

[40:30] » That might be a better question for

[40:32] Eric.

[40:33] » Right on. Uh sir, one more thing. I

[40:35] heard you say you're going to put uh

[40:37] rail lights runway and fire lights.

[40:39] That's definitely a huge thing that we

[40:41] need. The the runway needs it.

[40:44] Um what about approach lighting,

[40:45] non-precision approach lightings on both

[40:47] ends, 16 and 34? Uh I heard you

[40:50] mentioning uh we we have a goal to to

[40:53] bring at least uh up to mid-size level

[40:56] jets. Regardless, approach lights is is

[40:58] a safety issue for all types of

[41:00] aircraft, but it's certainly something

[41:02] that it

[41:03] would attract um heavier aircraft uh for

[41:06] the safety reason as well. Um is there

[41:08] any talks going on on putting a system

[41:12] like, for example, ODALS, which would be

[41:15] a basic non-precision approach lights on

[41:17] both runways?

[41:20] » Uh I I uh

[41:23] Yeah, I did not show those um because

[41:26] the the ODALS system that would

[41:29] effectively lower your minimums

[41:32] um

[41:33] would

[41:35] would be nice, but the obstructions that

[41:38] we have along the length of the runway

[41:40] that are representing those those trees

[41:43] on the other side of the runway

[41:45] um a lot of clearing would be necessary

[41:48] to just bring your minimums down, and it

[41:51] would only result in a reduction of

[41:53] about a eighth mile visibility

[41:55] improvement.

[41:56] The the the

[41:58] I'm sorry.

[41:59] » I didn't mean to interrupt, but even

[42:01] without the lowering of the minimums,

[42:03] just to be able to find the runway when

[42:07] you come from different directions.

[42:08] That's huge.

[42:09] » Yeah. Oh, I agree. And yeah, one uh

[42:12] yeah, the the approach lighting system

[42:14] we're talking about is somewhat similar

[42:17] to Odell's. It doesn't have lead-in

[42:19] lights, but the runway end identifier

[42:22] lights that I'm talking about are

[42:24] strobes that are

[42:26] adjacent to each end of each runway end.

[42:30] So, you have two on one end. They're not

[42:32] just threshold lights that show the

[42:34] barrier, but they're they're flashing

[42:37] strobes that pilots use to identify the

[42:41] runway end. And that's really the best

[42:45] method for identifying runway end and

[42:48] and really as a simple way

[42:51] to

[42:52] manage the improve the approach and the

[42:55] visibility of the runway for pilots.

[42:57] » I agree. And I'm familiar with

[42:59] » That's what we're talking about for each

[43:00] end.

[43:01] » I'm familiar with rails.

[43:03] But,

[43:03] I wanted to also add a little small

[43:06] rabbit

[43:07] what what they call a rabbit light up

[43:10] that leads onto

[43:12] or into the the fresh way the runway

[43:14] threshold. Um okay. Which is something

[43:17] like Odell's or similar. That's what it

[43:19] provides. That's incredibly

[43:22] helpful when you're coming in from a

[43:23] distance and you trying and you're

[43:25] coming in at an angle. So,

[43:27] » Sure.

[43:28] » Adding that would be a good discussion

[43:30] to have. That's what we're trying to

[43:31] bring up. We would like to have it, I

[43:33] would say. I would take the liberty to

[43:34] say, yeah.

[43:36] » Yeah, absolutely. We will we will

[43:38] definitely show those.

[43:40] Um

[43:40] be happy to uh just providing some

[43:43] reasoning behind what we showed, but

[43:46] um yeah, the

[43:48] the

[43:49] the Odell's leading to the rails would

[43:51] be uh

[43:53] a very nice system to provide, you know,

[43:56] additional guidance to the runway end.

[43:58] » Yes, sir. And I'm not sure about the

[43:59] distance. I think it's 1,500 ft. I don't

[44:01] know if we would have that on 16.

[44:04] Maybe we would or it be close, but

[44:06] something

[44:07] that I think we should be able to look

[44:09] at. I hope that, uh, you guys can look

[44:10] at. So, one last comment is that some of

[44:13] the drainage ditches

[44:15] Yeah, that distance right there. I'm not

[44:17] sure how long it is, but

[44:19] » Uh, well, this

[44:21] It

[44:21] » 160 all the way to the roadway. Yeah.

[44:24] » Yeah.

[44:25] » I think it's close.

[44:26] » Less than a It Well, this is This is

[44:28] less than a thousand feet.

[44:30] » [clears throat and cough]

[44:30] » Um, the just as a

[44:33] a way of measuring, the distance from

[44:35] the threshold here to these aiming bars,

[44:38] it that's a thousand feet.

[44:40] » Okay.

[44:41] » So, the ODALS system, it can go over the

[44:44] road and into neighboring property if

[44:47] you were to

[44:48] acquire it or get easement to install a

[44:51] light there, that's definitely possible.

[44:54] » Yes, sir.

[44:54] » Uh, but it it may go into the property

[44:57] on the other side of the road.

[44:59] » Yes, sir.

[45:00] » We're going to have to move from this

[45:01] topic

[45:02] » Uh

[45:03] » For the sake of time.

[45:03] » Yeah, absolutely.

[45:04] » Um

[45:05] Was there anything else that we could

[45:06] build on that? Tony, did you have

[45:07] anything else, uh, as far as that

[45:10] you wanted to

[45:11] » Uh

[45:12] Uh No, sir. I I I Yeah, I've got some

[45:14] good direction here from this call.

[45:16] We'll We'll make some slight

[45:18] modifications, show the lights that we

[45:20] talked about, um, and finalize the

[45:23] layout, and then, um, I will, uh, pass

[45:27] the final

[45:29] development plan on to Eric, um, and to,

[45:33] um,

[45:33] to review further or approve, and we we

[45:36] wrap up this this project.

[45:38] » All right. Thank you very much. We

[45:39] appreciate your time and, uh,

[45:41] attention to it. Thank you.

[45:43] » Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

[45:45] Take care.

[45:46] » All right. Moving, uh, we need to We

[45:48] wanted to talk briefly on this item

[45:50] three.

[45:51] » I'm sorry. Before we move on.

[45:52] » Yes, sir.

[45:54] » What is the deadline that we need to

[45:56] have input gathered and provided to the

[45:59] city

[46:00] and Wolpert before they go forward with

[46:03] a plan to present to City Council for

[46:05] approval.

[46:06] » So right now they gave we gave you know

[46:07] you you gave recommendations on what

[46:09] you'd like to see.

[46:11] Um you'll put that together, provide to

[46:12] us, uh we'll make sure we look at it, uh

[46:15] see if it meets the recommendations of

[46:17] the city and then we'll present it to

[46:18] City Council, but we still have to get

[46:19] them uh to um

[46:22] get it to our agenda to to get that

[46:24] finalized, right? So uh

[46:27] it just depends on Woolpert on whatever

[46:29] their recommendations that would come

[46:30] out of that.

[46:31] » Didn't know if there was a contractual

[46:33] uh

[46:34] you know timeline that we're needing to

[46:36] have this done. In other words, is there

[46:38] some some calendar date driving

[46:42] decisions that we need to be mindful of?

[46:44] And the reason I ask, Eric, let me tell

[46:46] you the why first then I'll let you

[46:48] answer it. The reason I ask is is that

[46:50] we had the workshop and we had a few

[46:52] people come.

[46:53] And thankfully you came to the last EA

[46:55] meeting and you presented some stuff

[46:57] there. So what we've done is we've we've

[47:00] seeded this idea to the tenants.

[47:04] And a lot of them are talking and

[47:05] thinking, but I'm not sure we've really

[47:07] gathered all the input that might be out

[47:10] there still um that might we may want to

[47:13] consider, we being the city and um

[47:17] and and the council wants to consider

[47:20] before coming up with a plan for

[47:22] approval. And so I'd I'd like to allow

[47:25] that opportunity to exist. Now, if

[47:27] there's a hard deadline somewhere

[47:30] that needs to be met, then I think we

[47:33] need to adjust our timelines to gather

[47:35] the input we can from the tenants so

[47:39] that we can provide it in a timely

[47:41] fashion and everyone feels like they've

[47:43] had that opportunity to provide it to

[47:46] either whether that be through the

[47:47] advisory board or directly to you, Eric,

[47:49] but at least we've had that opportunity

[47:51] to make sure everybody understands. We

[47:53] need to know by this time, here's the

[47:55] information, here's the current update

[47:57] where we are. Just to kind of get that

[47:59] going and I think it'll be a lot

[48:01] smoother

[48:03] being accepted by the community

[48:05] if we were able to do something like

[48:07] that. So, that's why I was asking if

[48:08] there's a deadline.

[48:09] » So, yeah, I'll reach out to Woolpert to

[48:11] see if they

[48:12] you know, if they have a deadline. We'd

[48:14] like to get this wrapped up um

[48:16] sooner or later so we can implement this

[48:19] airport layout plan so we can you know,

[48:21] for future you know, budgetary

[48:24] uh year so we can budget some of these

[48:25] things out so we cuz

[48:28] uh I tried to get some MP funds finding

[48:30] out that I had to submit last month then

[48:32] I'm leaving money on the table, right?

[48:34] So, um the sooner we can get this thing

[48:37] done, the better is the plan for future

[48:40] uh improvements of the ALP. So, we'll

[48:43] I'll reach out to Woolpert and see uh

[48:45] what's their timeline uh of this and

[48:47] um and I'll let you know and um let uh

[48:50] the attendants know as well.

[48:52] » Okay, thank you, Eric.

[48:53] » Yeah, thank you, Greg. That certainly

[48:55] don't want to be caught

[48:57] short on Yes, sir.

[48:59] » I just wanted to add to that. Um our

[49:01] fiscal year starts October 1. We do like

[49:04] a council retreat as well. So, we kind

[49:05] of want to probably have it sometime

[49:07] before that. Um

[49:09] so, October 1 because like I said, Eric

[49:11] has a lot of funds that we could dip

[49:13] into so we want to kind of have projects

[49:15] already set aside that we want to kind

[49:16] of prioritize based off of this plan so

[49:19] we know where to allocate that money to

[49:21] in the future. So, October 1 is kind of

[49:23] our where we're going to start. I'm not

[49:25] saying that has to be, but we would like

[49:27] to have it around that time so we can

[49:28] kind of have a strategy moving forward.

[49:30] » I think that gives us a time frame we

[49:32] can work within. That'd be my

[49:34] recommendation here that we consider

[49:36] » Absolutely.

[49:36] » Facilitating something to gather it in

[49:38] time to meet that deadline.

[49:39] » Okay, thank you.

[49:41] The traffic pattern assessments with

[49:43] restriction, how has this been going? I

[49:45] know it's published and Eric, we're

[49:47] we're interested in the feedback that

[49:49] you're getting from the users.

[49:50] » So, um so so we finally um got it

[49:53] approved by Texarkana, I mean um the FAA

[49:56] to get it done. So, you'll see it on our

[49:57] supplement uh touch and go landing

[49:59] operations prohibited when four or more

[50:01] aircraft in the pattern.

[50:03] Uh we had some of it uh instructor local

[50:05] instructors that we have enforced these

[50:07] um

[50:08] uh some of these recommendations and we

[50:11] have seen uh

[50:12] you know

[50:14] the flight schools abide by these and

[50:16] either um go to this another uh airport

[50:19] or you know do their uh their full stops

[50:23] and let people in and or out. So, it

[50:25] it's had been working effectively and

[50:27] I'm glad that we were able to get

[50:29] something like that done and and and

[50:31] publish.

[50:32] » And let me just read this what we what

[50:34] is published in the you know terminal

[50:35] procedures, you know the the green book.

[50:37] It says [snorts]

[50:39] uh

[50:41] DGL touch and go landing operations

[50:44] abbreviated by OPNS operations

[50:45] prohibited when four or more aircraft

[50:47] operating in traffic pattern. So, what's

[50:50] pretty clear uh

[50:51] I mean that makes sense to

[50:53] to me and and I think uh

[50:56] so we're we're very

[50:58] interested in in the feedback and how if

[51:00] this does mitigate some of the

[51:02] congestion in the pattern going forward.

[51:04] If you just kind of

[51:06] uh apprise of that Eric, we'd appreciate

[51:08] that.

[51:10] The progress update on runway 34

[51:12] approach. I know that was kind of uh

[51:14] hinging on this airport layout plan. Has

[51:16] there been any movement or any

[51:17] discussion with uh FAA on that?

[51:19] » So, uh

[51:20] the so has been submitted. I spoke with

[51:23] um

[51:24] Joseph [snorts]

[51:26] uh

[51:27] uh spoke with the FAA about it. So, now

[51:29] they're in the um

[51:31] feasibility study phase of it. So, now

[51:33] they had to do the feasibility study.

[51:35] Once that's uh complete,

[51:37] um

[51:39] then we'll know if we have to cut down

[51:40] trees or anything like that for for that

[51:42] approach. Uh and then if that's the

[51:44] case, we'll have to cut them trees down

[51:46] to make sure we can uh meet those

[51:48] requirements.

[51:49] Then once that happens, then they'll do

[51:51] another um

[51:53] approach to see if everything that we've

[51:55] done was met. And then once that

[51:56] happens,

[51:58] it could be approved if nothing else,

[51:59] you know,

[52:01] hinders that approval. So it might from

[52:04] what I understand is things going to

[52:05] take

[52:06] uh some some more time. So

[52:09] um

[52:09] » But the discussion is I mean

[52:11] the dialogue is in progress cuz we know

[52:13] this is probably

[52:15] probably two or three years out.

[52:16] » At least.

[52:16] » You know, in the way the FAA and all

[52:18] that stuff. As long as we're moving in

[52:20] that direction and there's it's

[52:22] initiated and started.

[52:24] » And we're in the queue for the

[52:25] feasibility study now.

[52:26] » Okay, great. Thank you.

[52:28] And on item five, the last item of

[52:31] You know, I I had kind of pushed for

[52:33] this a little bit you know, with

[52:35] after the hangar and uh

[52:38] rate increase and all that is if there's

[52:40] any way that we can kind of show a

[52:41] little bit of

[52:43] appreciation to the tenants. If there's

[52:44] anything that we can do for

[52:47] fuel incentive, a special day for buy

[52:49] fuel to to get a discount,

[52:52] anything there that

[52:53] if there's any more thought on that.

[52:56] » Uh so we've been looking at some ideas

[52:58] maybe something, you know, like that to

[53:00] have a fly-in and and and reduce prices

[53:02] and stuff like that. But

[53:04] as far as you know, so gas prices are

[53:06] trending down and so and the prices that

[53:10] we currently have now, if you look, you

[53:12] know, in a 40-mi radius, we're very

[53:15] competitive of what we're doing. But of

[53:18] course we'd love to, you know, pass, you

[53:20] know, on

[53:21] some things to tenants, but there's we

[53:23] have to make sure that, you know, with

[53:24] that we do those with

[53:26] um

[53:27] with, you know, some type of events so

[53:29] we could draw draw some people in to,

[53:31] you know, to pass those savings on to

[53:32] everybody. But we're still still looking

[53:33] at options to see what we could do and

[53:36] you know, and how much and you know,

[53:38] what's what's the

[53:39] the value added to it. Of course, you

[53:42] know, everybody loves to say you want a

[53:43] little bit and we'll try, you know, that

[53:45] do our best to look at what we can do

[53:47] and maybe come up with an event to to,

[53:49] you know, to show that appreciation.

[53:51] » Yeah. Yeah, I was thinking I was, you

[53:53] know, kind of pushing for maybe one day

[53:55] of the week or a month, uh, whether it's

[53:57] be

[53:57] every week on a certain day or or or

[54:00] once a month or something to

[54:02] to spur, you know,

[54:06] people to come and buy buy more fuel,

[54:08] you know, cuz

[54:09] uh

[54:10] And and one other thing on that item,

[54:12] has there been any change in the the

[54:14] pricing method that we had discussed

[54:15] earlier in several meetings ago as far

[54:18] as how we would price fuel? I know the

[54:19] price is up now. I know costs have gone

[54:21] up. But

[54:22] has there been a change in the fight

[54:24] pricing strategy that we discussed

[54:26] earlier?

[54:27] » Uh, no. Yeah, no change in the pricing

[54:29] strategy. We still try to maintain, um,

[54:32] you know, the the profit margins that,

[54:34] you know, that uh, we try to abide by

[54:36] and and depending on the market of what

[54:39] the gas is going where we're trying to

[54:40] stay in that and also looking at market

[54:43] rate of what everybody else is uh, is

[54:45] um,

[54:46] is charging and try to be, you know, the

[54:48] best uh,

[54:49] around to, you know, to drive uh, people

[54:52] in without, um,

[54:54] without ruining our our our, you know,

[54:56] the profit margin that that we need to

[54:57] stay in to build some of these

[55:00] uh, some of these projects cuz

[55:01] like the the ALP, yes, we'll have some

[55:04] grant money to help with that, uh, from

[55:06] FAA and TxDOT, but all all the hangar

[55:09] stuff is going to come from us. So, the

[55:12] more that we can, you know, raise to get

[55:14] those things done, you know, the better

[55:16] it is, the more likely it is to get

[55:18] these hangars done. So,

[55:20] um, as long as you keep trying to to

[55:22] meet those profit margins to put back

[55:24] into the airport to build these

[55:25] facilities and build some of these

[55:27] amenities was going to help

[55:28] tremendously. So, uh, we're trying to do

[55:30] the best possible way to to make money

[55:32] as well as provide savings to everybody

[55:34] and and and that's a hard thing to do.

[55:36] » It is. But trying.

[55:37] » All right. Thank you so much.

[55:39] Uh, that concludes that. Any uh, request

[55:41] a motion to

[55:43] uh, end the meeting, please?

[55:45] » Um, I move that we uh,

[55:47] » Adjourn?

[55:48] » All right.

[55:49] » Uh, Albert, you second it?

[55:50] » I second.

[55:50] » Thank you.

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