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[3:23] I don't even see it doesn't look like

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[3:34] sendic I'd like to call to or disconnect

[3:37] the city council committee meeting for

[3:39] Monday September 16th 2024 and the first

[3:43] thing on our agenda we're going to have

[3:44] a presentation by Mr lefon on the

[3:48] uh survey that we should have gotten in

[3:51] the mail regarding the water Mr lefon

[3:56] service really just a little bit of an

[3:58] informational session you brought

[4:10] um few weeks back we uh we did contract

[4:14] with the company through a grant to send

[4:17] surveys out to Property Owners within

[4:19] the city of s to meet the new

[4:21] regulations from EPA with regard to

[4:23] letting coer that new rule is to uh is

[4:27] Ban all lead services in 1986 all uh

[4:32] containing solder containing lead it was

[4:35] all banned in

[4:36] 1986 uh now there is a push to do

[4:40] surveys of all the properties within the

[4:41] city with new expace actually the whole

[4:44] country to see which services are still

[4:46] L and then the next phase of that would

[4:49] be how to remove them so um most

[4:52] Property Owners would have gotten these

[4:54] um it was the best way to do it some

[4:56] Property Owners may get them through

[4:58] their um their service for esro for

[5:01] their Banks it'll be on the website

[5:03] hopefully with the two-day Insurance

[5:04] neity um people who don't know there is

[5:09] a way to test one lead which is this

[5:13] year part of the boo neck magnet W stick

[5:15] the lead okay that's what they're trying

[5:17] to remove

[5:19] um the city allows copper 1in copper um

[5:24] and we do allow uh CPS pipe which is

[5:26] positive um most people now are going

[5:29] with the CPS pipe because it's a

[5:31] fraction of the cost compared to what

[5:33] copper is nowadays I think a 60 or 80t

[5:36] roll of copper is almost $11,000 and 100

[5:40] ft of plastic is about

[5:42] $120 so um residents can go with plastic

[5:46] and the only thing they have to do is if

[5:48] they're currently grounded through their

[5:50] electrical Panet to the pipe that's in

[5:52] the ground they has to remain grounded

[5:54] if not they have to call an electrician

[5:56] electrical permit and put two grounding

[5:58] rods in to the electrical inspector's

[6:00] office to ground the new service or

[6:02] their house

[6:05] um what EPA does after the surveys are

[6:08] out it'll be a work in progress cuz we

[6:12] don't get into we're not going to get

[6:13] into 16,000 houses um you know in the

[6:16] next few months but it'll be a work in

[6:18] progress and uh once that's done that

[6:20] survey has to be posted on the website

[6:22] in the EPA format so anybody can access

[6:25] it and look up the property and see if

[6:27] it still has a lead service or c service

[6:30] um so I did want to come in and inform

[6:33] you that these are out so people do

[6:35] contact you please try and get them to

[6:39] contact the water department send the

[6:41] self card in to uh 120 water and or if

[6:45] they want to do the self test um like I

[6:48] said we'll schedule appointment with

[6:49] them to actually go out to the house

[6:51] determine whether they fling copper I

[6:54] know it's very difficult getting in

[6:55] people's basement nobody wants you in

[6:56] their house I'm not there to look at

[6:58] anything other than the

[7:01] PIP so I don't know if the council has

[7:03] any questions if you do these realter

[7:05] these surveys now so if someone has a

[7:08] lead pipe they have to get it replaced

[7:10] no um if they touch the Water Service

[7:13] like currently right now they have to do

[7:15] any work underwater service it is leg

[7:18] they have to bring it to code but if

[7:20] it's currently in the ground until EPA

[7:22] tells us has to be removed and currently

[7:25] who's going to pay for it because the

[7:27] city doesn't own services we own the

[7:30] mains property owns service from the

[7:34] main into the house so it's not been

[7:36] determined

[7:38] yet right now they're just doing the

[7:41] survey so so um my h on the paper was

[7:45] kind of my other question um sometimes

[7:47] low lower income homeowners have grants

[7:49] available so is that anything that's

[7:51] been there we had a grant a few years

[7:53] back for go around 560,000 we did about

[7:58] 100 service lines to you know people who

[8:00] knew the grant was available they had a

[8:02] el service the uh license plumber in the

[8:06] city we contact our plumbing inspector

[8:08] we W verify that it was led if it was

[8:10] led that property owner um received the

[8:13] service re charge to the grant so

[8:16] hopefully um EPA the federal government

[8:19] will come up with money

[8:20] because it's you know it's millions of

[8:23] dollars we have 16,000 properties this

[8:26] would affect almost any house that would

[8:29] built pre 86 that was when the r came to

[8:32] effect so the assumption is if your

[8:34] house was built before

[8:36] 1986 it probably has lead unless it was

[8:39] a a replace service cuz you already went

[8:42] B on you replaced it with

[8:44] copper and the other anybody else

[8:46] questions M pck um just two quick

[8:48] questions um when are the surveys due

[8:51] back and oer okay of this year we'll

[8:54] have hopefully the surveys back in or a

[8:56] part portion of them okay um the company

[9:00] we have working with us will put the

[9:02] data into the EPA format uh that'll get

[9:06] sent to EPA and we'll just continue

[9:08] working to gain entry to more more

[9:10] houses is the Sur I I know you said the

[9:13] results will go on our website is the

[9:15] survey instrument itself on our website

[9:18] okay no and surveys has got to be

[9:21] developed in the sense the data is going

[9:23] to be put in and 120 water is doing that

[9:27] okay and we're getting we're we're

[9:29] keeping a list downstairs and the water

[9:31] department personnel scheduling

[9:33] appointments to go out to Residents who

[9:34] do call in and just you know want

[9:36] somebody other than themselves to verify

[9:38] what they have going into the house

[9:41] thank you if if it's an unknown you

[9:43] considered it a leted service so we say

[9:47] unknown it's going to be considered

[9:50] Le anybody else pa um you mentioned um

[9:54] about cost and the EPA is not discussing

[9:56] that that the EPA is not discussing cost

[9:59] or who's going to bore the cost at this

[10:01] point in time is that something that you

[10:03] can try to find out from them as to who

[10:05] going to be responsible for the

[10:08] cost I I we we can look into it but I

[10:12] think what they're trying to figure out

[10:13] right now

[10:14] is you know in s alone if you have

[10:17] 16,000 Services you know what do you say

[10:20] um 15% maybe you know Leed still we're

[10:24] not sure so we've gone we're going

[10:26] through our data which are old um

[10:28] tapping cards

[10:29] um to help update everything um you know

[10:33] so it's it's a it's a process you know

[10:36] you just trying to find tapping cards

[10:38] from the 7s or 80s you know you're up in

[10:40] the archives in the Attic so um one of

[10:43] the easiest ways to actually get into a

[10:45] basement and look at the pipe scratch

[10:47] the pipe see if it's l see if it's

[10:49] copper see if it's

[10:53] plastic other questions you didn't have

[10:56] to bring copy of the survey uh with you

[10:58] I didn't get one to me I have a paper

[11:00] copy I can what I'll do is email it out

[11:02] I can email it some and I can email the

[11:05] most fre oh this one this one you got a

[11:08] C

[11:10] your just so people kind of see what it

[11:13] is and know it's not junk

[11:16] mail that

[11:19] conf so kind of looks like this says and

[11:24] so if they scan this QR code they scan

[11:26] the QR code they can respond to through

[11:28] this okay so all right and then just the

[11:32] other side well that just says residence

[11:34] so doesn't oh no it is okay so if you

[11:38] get these in the mail it's not jump mail

[11:40] they need to complete the surveys and if

[11:42] they want you all get is call downstairs

[11:44] from 9 and we set the okay any other

[11:47] questions thank thank you very much

[11:50] thank for bringing the uh the uh prop

[11:53] the next meeting

[11:56] for thank you

[12:00] all right we'll begin with the public

[12:02] safety so I like to call the Public

[12:04] Safety Committee sub order we have three

[12:05] items on the agenda tonight first of

[12:07] which is the discussion of traffic

[12:09] safety measures within the city city

[12:11] Miss Patrick yes uh thank you Mr

[12:13] Williams um I'd like to

[12:16] ask Mr Mr Wallen to come to the front I

[12:19] brought 10 copies but nobody's here

[12:22] we're here this is a continuation of a

[12:24] discussion that we've been having about

[12:26] traffic safety and traffic calming

[12:28] measures

[12:38] thank you for bringing me of course

[12:41] hello so September 16th traffic update

[12:44] hope me get my a little docky I

[12:46] apologize that this TV seems to always

[12:48] be on the

[12:52] pr

[12:53] uh turn it

[12:56] on and there we're away all right

[12:59] so the first thing that we wanted to

[13:00] talk about this is going to be when I do

[13:02] these updates we're going to kind of go

[13:04] with a little bit of agenda but also a

[13:06] little bit of where we have to go so one

[13:08] of the first things that we talked about

[13:09] is to put these into place uh officially

[13:12] what we'd like to do is in talking with

[13:14] the corporate council's office is modify

[13:16] the city code to authorize the city

[13:18] engineer as it states uh to have uh

[13:22] section a new section which we're

[13:24] calling traffic cing measures which

[13:26] authorizes a city engineer to install

[13:28] traffic cing measures on designated

[13:30] streets uh as it's written there it is

[13:32] of course totally changed this was a

[13:35] draft that was put together um but it is

[13:37] the idea that it authorizes myself with

[13:40] your permission to install things that

[13:42] we talked about at the previous update

[13:44] which is speed bumps humps red light

[13:47] cameras SC zone speed cameras we can

[13:49] even put a little bit of you know and

[13:52] similar devices and in there just so

[13:53] we're not coming back for every little

[13:55] thing um this is something that would

[13:58] require a public hearing I believe

[14:01] because we would be amending the city

[14:03] code um so if this is what we' like to

[14:06] go forward with I think this would be

[14:08] the the top priority uh to get it into

[14:10] the public hearing process to move

[14:12] forward so that we could do that and I

[14:14] provided you the language in your in

[14:17] your handout there um just moving on if

[14:20] we're going to be doing this uh and

[14:22] calling on public hearing about my roles

[14:25] one of the things that has come up is I

[14:27] also liked I haven't even talked to Sean

[14:28] about this I'd also like to amend this

[14:31] section of my duties which has to do

[14:34] with um use of streets and sidewalks

[14:37] what we did was and I'm sure you're kind

[14:39] of aware is we've transitioned a lot of

[14:42] enforcement to codes and we've

[14:44] beautified all the enforcement in the

[14:46] codes Department however we never

[14:48] changeed the charter as it's custom here

[14:50] we don't really update the charter as

[14:51] quickly as we should and so the charter

[14:54] says that it's the commissioner of

[14:55] Public Works Paul or the assistant city

[14:58] engineer engineer who does not exist the

[15:01] assistant city engineer was a PE

[15:03] physician and I don't believe it's

[15:05] existed for about 20 years um and those

[15:08] are the two people that Shall Serve

[15:10] notice to people for sidewalk violations

[15:13] um so you know we have sidewalk

[15:16] violations that do occur from time to

[15:17] time so I am requesting um that this be

[15:21] change to commissioner Public Works city

[15:24] engineer or uh the codes department so

[15:26] that we can have the codes officers uh

[15:29] write this as part of their uh duties so

[15:33] while it's not part of the Traffic

[15:37] Safety in a way if we're going to call a

[15:39] public hearing and discuss uh the duties

[15:43] of the city engineer I would love to be

[15:45] able to modify this so it's cleaner I

[15:47] have another one

[15:51] for thank

[15:53] you on slide three so uh so these were

[15:57] the first two things that we uh I wanted

[15:59] to talk about was the modification C

[16:01] code city of authority uh the second

[16:04] thing that I wanted to talk with you

[16:06] about today uh would be the speed table

[16:10] procedure it was something that we

[16:12] provided before uh with the city of

[16:15] Rochester I modified it just a little

[16:17] bit simplified some areas of it there

[16:19] you go Sam and I'd like to

[16:23] get um committee comments on it I I do

[16:26] think that it may be appropriate I don't

[16:28] we don't we don't do it much but to meet

[16:31] actually uh with the committee possibly

[16:34] and not turn these Council meetings into

[16:36] workshops um I I don't know how we do

[16:39] that but you know there's decisions that

[16:41] have to be made before we move forward

[16:43] with a lot of these items and I don't

[16:44] know if this is the right venue to have

[16:47] these kind of Workshop discussions so

[16:49] just so you know since we've been having

[16:51] these kind of things there's been

[16:52] committee meetings being held okay

[16:54] terrific so s that so what you have in

[16:57] front of you is is a speed table

[17:00] procedure I'm summarizing it up top

[17:02] where we're saying that you know there'

[17:03] be five steps this is identical to

[17:05] Rochester just modified for the city's

[17:07] connect where you're talking about a

[17:09] letter of request in-house evaluation

[17:11] traffic study and then the consideration

[17:12] of other factors uh the highlighted

[17:14] portion is where I just like to go is

[17:17] that they use a 75% petition um we don't

[17:21] have a petition that is that high so

[17:23] then I would ask that the council come

[17:25] up with a number that is uh you know

[17:28] could be 7 5% could be 50 could be 80

[17:30] but I just want to make sure that that

[17:31] number I would like the council to be

[17:33] able to set similarly uh on the bottom

[17:37] on Section six there's a section about

[17:40] parallel

[17:41] streets and if you kind of were to read

[17:45] this whole thing and gloss over it it's

[17:47] one of those little worded sections that

[17:49] could be a nightmare um so I will like

[17:52] direct you to where I grew up I grew up

[17:54] on Arsley road which is right by the

[17:55] high school Arsley road is a great examp

[17:58] example road that I just happened to

[18:00] grow up on because Ardsley Road is you

[18:01] have the high school the parking lot is

[18:03] literally empty on Arsley Road and you

[18:05] have Union Street so cars drive that way

[18:08] so if you get a petition from Arsley

[18:09] Road and they say we really want speed

[18:11] HTS and we put them there Waverly and

[18:14] Phoenix directly parallel right next

[18:17] door so then you start pushing then you

[18:19] get to mclen then you get to Parkwood

[18:21] you get to Glenwood and Rochester

[18:24] actually you know really they kind of

[18:26] they had stronger language it was

[18:28] essentially if there are more than one

[18:30] parallel Street you're denied they don't

[18:32] even want to get into it and I don't

[18:34] want to go down that road yet because

[18:35] this is a new process but I wanted to

[18:38] point out that on those particular

[18:39] streets the other streets I was thinking

[18:41] about are in neighborhood such as woodan

[18:43] where if you go into woodan we have very

[18:45] long straight runs of roads where if we

[18:48] put them there uh the particularly

[18:50] there's the four I don't remember off

[18:52] the to my head but there's four roads

[18:53] that go right through from Albany Street

[18:56] to the wood preserve there's a long

[18:58] straight Road so if we put speed pumps

[19:00] on one of them are we forcing them to

[19:02] the others um

[19:06] Gord it's that it's that level of just

[19:08] making sure we have the understanding

[19:09] that we don't want to solve a problem on

[19:12] one street but push the problem to the

[19:14] others um so and with regards to this

[19:17] that's why you know Brian is here uh

[19:19] Canon because we've been working he's

[19:20] been using uh the data from the city

[19:23] Smart City nodes and Optical sensors and

[19:25] working with our vendors he's pulled

[19:26] some data he's actually shared it with

[19:28] myself in the police department I don't

[19:31] want to make it public yet because we're

[19:33] still working out some of the Kinks on

[19:35] what we really believe is is feasible

[19:37] and not feasible um but that could be

[19:40] maybe the next update this one I want to

[19:42] show you that like I'd love to get the

[19:44] code moving get this kind of going with

[19:47] this procedure so that we know what

[19:49] we're doing and then we can focus on

[19:51] where the actual tables themselves are

[19:53] going um the next part of that is I say

[19:56] tables I just wanted to bring this up

[19:59] we've been doing a lot of research on

[20:01] this um and we know we're not the first

[20:03] so because we're not the first I'm not

[20:05] acting like we're inventing anything

[20:06] here we're just implemented so the table

[20:09] that we put on Dwayne Avenue in SKC was

[20:12] what is called a speed table on the left

[20:14] you go up it's flat for a little bit and

[20:16] you go down there are speed PPS what

[20:20] Albany has are speed humps up down so

[20:23] one is 12 ft one is 30 ft you know or 26

[20:27] ft depending so we have these two

[20:29] different so if you were to go to almany

[20:31] they have humps we used a table the

[20:34] tables are better for really high volume

[20:36] roads um one of the differences I think

[20:38] the main difference and I don't want to

[20:39] you know I know you're probably going to

[20:40] say Chris whatever you'd like to do but

[20:42] I just want to talk and tell you what it

[20:44] is is that the idea with Dwayne Avenue

[20:46] was we don't need to reduce the speed we

[20:50] just don't want you speeding so a speed

[20:53] hump you will drive and it'll have a

[20:55] sign it'll say speed hump 15 miles an

[20:58] hour you got to slow down to 15 go over

[21:01] to speed hun and then keep driving the

[21:03] speed tables we specifically designed

[21:06] and pick that they're meant for 30 m

[21:09] hour you drive 30 m an hour you go up

[21:11] you go over you go down if you go 40 m

[21:14] an hour it's going to be really

[21:15] uncomfortable so that was the idea the

[21:17] thought was and this is work said

[21:19] working with the PD working with John

[21:21] kucho at the time was that if you had a

[21:23] speed hump and you reduce that speed to

[21:25] 15 you would want to make it up you

[21:28] would want to go up over okay that was

[21:30] annoying I got to go fast and then up up

[21:33] over and I'm going to make it up um we

[21:35] didn't get that complaint with these

[21:37] speed tables I don't remember hearing

[21:39] that about the the the going fast

[21:42] portion of it but I did want to point

[21:44] out that the majority of locations are

[21:46] using pumps which are a little bit

[21:47] smaller more manageable with tables uh

[21:50] but I I I haven't decided which way I

[21:52] really want to go but I just wanted to

[21:54] state that is the reason if we do use

[21:56] speed pumps most likely even if 25 mph

[22:00] we will have to put a advisory sign that

[22:02] the speed over that hump is 20 or 15 so

[22:06] we have to reduce the speed over the

[22:09] hum table we wouldn't

[22:12] have um also we have some standard

[22:15] sheets just to let you know this is you

[22:16] know what a speed table would look like

[22:18] this is off the do so this is what kind

[22:20] of we're working on once again we're not

[22:21] trying to reinvent the wheel similarly

[22:24] uh signage this is what I I'm going to

[22:26] be forwarding to Paul with Bond and

[22:29] Brian uh about this is what we're

[22:31] thinking is that like right now this is

[22:33] if we were to use a speed table we would

[22:36] we would put what the speed limit is

[22:38] because we're not going to have speed

[22:39] limit signs on every road once we go

[22:40] through this uh you know hopefully the

[22:42] lowering of the speed limit so we would

[22:44] say okay the speed limit is 25 there's a

[22:47] speed table ahead here's the speed table

[22:50] that would be the procedure of advanced

[22:52] warning and then the as you see on the

[22:54] road they use a very unique now system

[22:57] of striping where it's it's like a a 3ft

[23:00] wide stripe then you go 30 ft and it's a

[23:02] 5ft wide stripe then you go 30 ft eight

[23:05] and it goes and then when you get to the

[23:06] the speed table it's an arrow so it's a

[23:09] it's a very uh distinct amount of

[23:12] striping to get to that point so right

[23:15] now this is uh what we were calling our

[23:18] our our signage and striping package

[23:20] that we would be working with with Brian

[23:23] SPD to implement um if this is this is

[23:26] specific to a speed table I didn't have

[23:28] time to put one together for a speed

[23:30] hump the only difference would be that

[23:33] white speed limit sign would be a little

[23:35] yellow sign that would be saying

[23:37] probably 20 or 15 because youd have to

[23:39] slow down

[23:43] so so if let's say this is with the

[23:47] speed table so it was a speed hump are

[23:48] you saying you would need the 25 mph in

[23:51] addition to that you would need an

[23:52] additional sign right around the speed

[23:54] PP we for the 15 so we would put it's a

[23:58] little misleading because those signs

[24:00] aren't meant to actually be above above

[24:01] each other they're just meant to show

[24:03] ones here ones further back the advisory

[24:07] sign would be directly attached in

[24:09] beneath that speed table ahead sign to

[24:11] advise you that you have to go slower

[24:13] over it the only difference would be

[24:15] most likely is that we would mod

[24:16] probably put a speed limit sign on the

[24:18] other side just you know this is what

[24:20] the speed limit is just to remind you

[24:21] what the speed limit is but the the

[24:24] speed humps the advantage of the speed

[24:25] hump is it would probably be cheaper cuz

[24:27] they're smaller

[24:29] um but I just I'm like I said I try to

[24:32] deal in transparency and we did not

[24:34] install speed pumps on Dwayne Avenue we

[24:37] used specifically designed speed tables

[24:40] for our speed limit which was at the

[24:42] time 30 so it would work perfectly fine

[24:44] in 25 and those are the comments that we

[24:46] got with for a speed table but I have

[24:48] the entire Albany uh city of Albany um

[24:52] PL set I have their procedures Albany

[24:54] has a similar procedure that they have

[24:56] adopted by the council um

[24:58] I pretty sure I could share I wasn't

[25:00] comfortable sharing it now but I'm

[25:01] pretty sure it's all public to share um

[25:05] uh that's what they developed and

[25:06] they're using pumps in their project in

[25:09] Hamilton Hill so um in terms

[25:13] of we only did one that one street like

[25:16] that's that's the only feedback we got

[25:18] was from that one street so all the the

[25:21] other places that we talked about people

[25:23] felt you know giv yeah the next one was

[25:25] supposed to be rugby and yeah we didn't

[25:26] do that we haven't gotten any of that

[25:28] yeah so we're basing everything just on

[25:29] that one uh right now yes right now well

[25:31] I'm not only basing off of that but

[25:33] that's why I'm trying to use the Albany

[25:34] study in some other areas to try to pull

[25:36] in information of just what people are

[25:37] doing um but yes for our local we've

[25:41] only used that system once on that road

[25:45] okay so um I have a couple questions so

[25:49] um just on that one still so that does

[25:51] make the Assumption I think that we

[25:53] would lower the speed limit to 25 that

[25:56] this is all off that's why I put it

[25:57] there that we are going be lowering the

[25:58] speed limit on local roads to 25 yes

[26:02] okay it's based on that okay great I'm

[26:04] happy to hear that um and then on the

[26:07] sidewalk one I thought and this did

[26:10] happen before I was on Council but I'm

[26:12] pretty I thought that we had to have a

[26:14] petition and that that too was I thought

[26:16] the number was 75% but um cuz that that

[26:19] language isn't in here about having a

[26:22] petition I I think the city Charter

[26:25] still stands up 25% right 25%

[26:28] so if if if residents on a street had a

[26:32] 25% of the residents so shouldn't that

[26:34] be we're putting it in um for the speed

[26:37] tables should we be putting it into

[26:39] that's you know that's a different if I

[26:42] can interject as kind of a different Pro

[26:45] process you're looking at it something

[26:48] of a fluid situation whereas if you're

[26:50] talking about Improvement districts that

[26:52] goes to property taxes and that's in the

[26:54] city Charter which is a total different

[26:57] oh element I I I get the distinction

[26:59] okay so it's it's okay thank you

[27:02] different and I just um I do think that

[27:07] it would be great to have a special you

[27:09] know if we needed to talk about this

[27:10] more to have a special Public Safety

[27:12] Committee meeting as we did the other

[27:13] day so I just want

[27:15] that any other questions or comments Mr

[27:18] U Mr sometime back we had asked um you

[27:21] to kind of give us a clost breakdown for

[27:23] these um speed table or speed home were

[27:26] you able to get a class for how much one

[27:28] be yes no I didn't put anything together

[27:31] yet the signage we would most likely be

[27:33] able to do in house do you think FR

[27:35] we're not talking about too many

[27:38] signs yeah yeah we were looking at two

[27:40] four six signs posts and then the the

[27:43] black um notices you see that those are

[27:46] delineators just so in case I just threw

[27:48] those in there each side of it just for

[27:50] plow purposes that's one thing you do

[27:51] you put you know this where the front

[27:53] and the back of them would be so the

[27:54] plows know where they are that's what

[27:56] those are um the speed tables themselves

[27:58] they're asphalt they're not very large

[28:01] um I I mean I can get a I can get a

[28:04] pretty accurate appr from one of our

[28:05] vendors

[28:07] but $25 to $50,000 for for one I don't

[28:10] think it would be you know too too cost

[28:12] prohibitive for putting one in maybe we

[28:14] do it when we pave some of the road and

[28:16] that can be you know absorbed into that

[28:18] get a little bit more um efficiencies

[28:20] out of it if we pave the road at the

[28:21] same

[28:23] time on the

[28:26] removables on the removable H that we

[28:29] purchased last year

[28:34] $6,000 or that's put

[28:41] 16 just just follow so

[28:45] Mr budget is end of this month is it

[28:48] possible for you to consider maybe put

[28:50] that in your Capital um so what I have

[28:53] in my capital budget going for next year

[28:55] I have a meeting with Anthony but

[28:56] usually what I request is somewhere

[28:58] around a million half $2.5 million for

[29:00] General Paving which is above and beyond

[29:02] what the state gives us and in that we

[29:05] usually leave it open and we call it

[29:07] know it used to be called road paving

[29:09] program now we call it the street

[29:10] Improvement program and we leave the

[29:12] bond language a little bit more open so

[29:15] that this would be under that program so

[29:18] that's how we would be doing things is

[29:19] that can you can you create a separate

[29:21] line for Speed table speed home and

[29:24] allocate money on just so it's budgeted

[29:27] just you see it yes I could ask Anthony

[29:30] to do that yes well yeah it would be a

[29:32] smaller one yes

[29:34] something any just would doing that

[29:36] based on estimates at this point in time

[29:38] yes Mr yeah oh I just want to

[29:42] logistically uh go through this if I can

[29:45] right now if you all want to I I

[29:48] provided uh the draft ordinance to you

[29:50] which is Incorporated in slide number

[29:51] two if you want to go with that you

[29:54] would have to have a public hearing now

[29:56] the public hearing would either be you

[29:58] know the same night you're doing the

[29:59] public hearing for the budget in mid

[30:01] October or putting it out for the second

[30:04] meeting in in in October and then

[30:07] regarding the the language and then the

[30:10] uh the speed table request procedure we

[30:13] would do is after you have your public

[30:16] hearing vote on the ordinance that same

[30:18] night you could do a resolution end

[30:20] endorsing the policy whatever you may

[30:23] agree to because section two of that

[30:25] ordinance will will uh uh has the U

[30:29] process where you're uh agreeing or

[30:33] inputting on the uh on the uh on the

[30:36] guidance issued by the city engineer so

[30:40] logistically you know for thinking ahead

[30:42] here you know it's up to you what you

[30:44] all want to do public hearing is because

[30:48] of the way the schedule is is not going

[30:49] to be until the the public hearing for

[30:53] the the

[30:54] budget you may want to think about

[30:56] putting it off to the end of October

[30:58] because you'll have a full plate of sure

[31:01] on that night for the budget so we could

[31:04] do you know if you want this language we

[31:07] could do you know pass out tonight the

[31:09] resolution calling for a public hearing

[31:11] but the public hearing would be at that

[31:13] second me in in uh

[31:17] October FR so yeah I was just wondering

[31:20] about it's like I know that you're

[31:21] saying that we have a pretty limited

[31:23] data set just because we only use that

[31:24] on doing ad but don't we have some data

[31:27] like our Smart City stuff and you know

[31:29] some of those some of the other uh kind

[31:32] of traffic sets we've been doing

[31:34] collecting data around like uh street

[31:35] warer is that is any of that data would

[31:38] that be applicable to this we can say

[31:39] okay this looks like more trouble we

[31:42] have data but that's what I was is uh as

[31:44] Brian myself and the and the police

[31:46] department are using that data to

[31:48] identify areas that would be best

[31:51] probable areas to put these systems but

[31:53] it wouldn't help us with them cuz we

[31:55] don't have anything like this out there

[31:57] Dwayne Avenue was very unique uh and

[32:00] like I said we just used yes it was that

[32:01] one case study to to move forward and

[32:04] and we can identify it was

[32:06] uh but no I I don't think I don't think

[32:09] the data that we have today we could use

[32:11] to justify you know the success in one

[32:14] of these cuz we don't have anything out

[32:15] there this these are these are different

[32:17] kinds of systems and these are

[32:20] they're they're very unique to have on a

[32:23] public prob you know even use to in

[32:24] parking lotes and things like that I

[32:25] don't think we can make that and Bri you

[32:28] disagree with that I no

[32:31] so miss Patrick but we do have the

[32:34] example of the city of Aly and the debt

[32:37] and all that they've been doing that we

[32:39] could look to correct and I work with I

[32:41] work with uh with them quite a bit and I

[32:43] also work like I said we're working with

[32:45] the cap region Transportation Council

[32:47] and we can work with them I'm not I'm

[32:50] not

[32:51] too I am not too concerned about if they

[32:53] will be effective it's just where they

[32:56] will be effective and getting the

[32:58] policies and procedures right so that

[33:00] you know we're we're the one kind of

[33:02] steering with the implementation of them

[33:04] and how they're placed because I think

[33:06] it was a good study I really do think

[33:07] that the way having the study was a good

[33:09] study and we got good results in Albany

[33:11] you know they clearly saw it was good

[33:12] and they're making the investment and

[33:14] you're seeing this as to combat it um

[33:17] and we like I said we're using the data

[33:18] to pull it together we're looking at

[33:21] it's it's a it's a tool it's not the

[33:23] tool but it is a tool just like last

[33:25] presentation I said these are all the

[33:26] tools that we have

[33:28] and I I think that we could start

[33:29] looking at the new ones that I didn't

[33:31] bother talking about speed cameras or

[33:33] bus cameras or things like that but all

[33:35] those are are useful tools when used

[33:38] correctly um well just um so with the

[33:42] 1.5 million for Paving or I think you

[33:46] said um with that also I mean I guess I

[33:49] just want to make sure that we have

[33:50] enough money um or at least we have the

[33:52] ability to discuss whether we're going

[33:54] to have enough money um if we were going

[33:56] to do the cameras or um you know any

[34:00] other kinds of traffic caling

[34:02] measures um I I don't know how the it

[34:06] like traffic cameras and that I don't

[34:08] know how that would work um with regards

[34:10] to paying money um but I mean so

[34:13] somewhere in the budget I mean it

[34:15] doesn't have to be in the paving line

[34:16] but yeah would You' like to see if we

[34:18] could put something yes okay please Mr

[34:22] for so I just want to be clear are we

[34:24] going to be doing are we going to be um

[34:26] doing Runway Road

[34:28] before this you moving forward with this

[34:31] is there going to be a pilot over there

[34:33] as well I know that was our intention is

[34:35] it still going to happen this year at

[34:38] all we can do it at all yes this year it

[34:40] will be difficult Mr so the the Smart

[34:45] City things that we've implemented th

[34:46] far and it's kind of similar question

[34:48] but just from a different position I'm

[34:50] kind of thinking about what M Patrick

[34:52] was saying can is is any of that

[34:55] technology is it applicable for us to

[34:58] use the data and or maybe leverage some

[35:01] of that existing technology to use as

[35:04] far as like maybe the corporation of

[35:06] traffic Camas I'm just trying to think

[35:07] like is there another application to

[35:09] some of that smart City's money that's

[35:11] been spent and can we leverage that to

[35:13] help

[35:16] within I I don't believe so at time if

[35:19] the cameras if the cameras could detect

[35:23] the plates which they may be able to and

[35:24] detect the speed we're not legally

[35:26] allowed to tick it for to send out

[35:28] notices I don't believe I mean that was

[35:30] like what we're talking about is we

[35:32] could buying the camera is just the

[35:35] material item but the the step that we

[35:38] need to complete is the legislation

[35:40] request it's kind of similar what we're

[35:41] doing here is that I know that it just

[35:43] feels completely bureaucratic and like

[35:45] we're not doing anything but working

[35:46] with uh the legal office you know this

[35:48] is what we're saying is that if we can

[35:50] really get the code change the policy

[35:53] form in place and some of these details

[35:55] worked out it'll set us up so that next

[35:57] next year because you know we're going

[35:59] into October that next year we're we're

[36:01] ready we're planning in the winter we're

[36:03] bidding in the spring and next year we

[36:05] kind of have a plan of what we're what

[36:07] our our attack is so that we're hitting

[36:09] the ground running um I mean it's very

[36:12] similar what we're talking about with

[36:13] the speed limit reduction um you know so

[36:16] I talked with the the crtc today and

[36:18] Brian and you know what they're doing is

[36:21] they're consulted Brian sending over our

[36:23] our signage plan they're doing some

[36:25] traffic surveys and just to reiterate

[36:27] you know that's why what this says 25

[36:30] mph Mr I have

[36:33] no uh hesitation or or or thought about

[36:36] local roads going to 25 it's the half

[36:40] dozen to a dozen roads that are in that

[36:42] that area so they asked what do we want

[36:45] to look like you know and it's Broadway

[36:47] what is Broadway you know Broadway is

[36:49] the one street that goes this way I

[36:51] didn't know knowing the geography of the

[36:52] city like I know we all do Union Eastern

[36:55] State Albany right they all go that

[36:58] Broadway is the only street that goes

[37:00] that way all right so I just like can

[37:02] you look at it can you give me your

[37:03] opinion on what Broadway is same thing

[37:05] where it's splits the Gilder you know

[37:06] we're looking at it from a traffic from

[37:09] a density you know uh a little bit of

[37:11] eerie Boulevard because the use of eerie

[37:13] bouevard is changing and maybe the

[37:14] speeds aren't high enough anyways um so

[37:17] there's certain streets you're going to

[37:18] be looking at but 95% of the roads we

[37:21] know the recommendations is going to be

[37:22] they local they're 25 and we're also

[37:24] stating if you look in your procedure

[37:26] which I didn't think that you know had

[37:27] time to read that whole thing is that

[37:29] part of that is saying we really only

[37:32] want to put these traffic control

[37:33] devices on local

[37:35] roads we we I had that in the

[37:37] presentation slide last time which was

[37:39] the the emergency routes the arterials

[37:41] we really you don't want to go driving

[37:43] down State Street and then all of a

[37:44] sudden oh my God there's a Beed that's

[37:46] not that's not appropriate you know we

[37:47] want to keep you we actually want

[37:49] traffic to go onto State Street we want

[37:51] traffic to go on the Union Street you

[37:54] know that's one of those things like

[37:55] mlen Street for example I know that it's

[37:57] primarily residential but you want the

[38:00] traffic on mclen street that is the main

[38:03] route you don't want the traffic to go

[38:05] onto Parkwood or Arsley you want and

[38:09] then you know the residents that are on

[38:10] those

[38:12] streets it's it is what it is that is a

[38:15] a more of a collector grow um so you

[38:18] just have to you try that's the that's

[38:20] the fear is if you start doing you start

[38:21] getting people onto that um but it's a

[38:24] it's a balance that we're trying to do

[38:26] and I think that's actual a really good

[38:28] Segway my one question right two was

[38:30] related to the minimum distance for K

[38:32] streets that 500 ft um and then the

[38:35] second part is can you talk about that

[38:37] makeup speed so the one question is 500

[38:40] ft would most of our local roads like um

[38:43] meet that condition and the second is

[38:46] does the length of the street have

[38:47] anything to do or does it affect the

[38:49] that makeup speed we're talking about

[38:51] with putting in pumps all right brief

[38:54] cuz I know what you're talking about

[39:00] so you're talking about streets of less

[39:02] than 500

[39:04] and uh so the first question was um the

[39:07] 500 ft didn't have a minimum distance of

[39:09] 500 ft between existing stop signs or

[39:11] traffic signals it it's just trying to

[39:14] put something where it's a short block

[39:16] you don't have something in the middle

[39:18] 500 ft we're looking at um I believe the

[39:21] the original one that we're looking at

[39:22] was closer to 800 ft so we we brought it

[39:25] down a little bit um and and that is one

[39:28] of the issues that we're going to see is

[39:30] that's where this is really going to get

[39:31] a little complex is that if we do this

[39:33] on a longer Road there's quite a few

[39:37] that we're going to start installing and

[39:38] the road is going to you know one of

[39:40] there's a road in colon that was one of

[39:41] the first to do this by a school um I

[39:44] can't remember it's right off of uh San

[39:46] Creek Road I believe but they have speed

[39:48] speed humps all the way down um and they

[39:51] have to be spaced appropriately so you

[39:53] so you know what you're what to expect

[39:56] as you go

[39:57] but I I'll look in but the idea is is

[40:00] that you just don't have one on a very

[40:03] short

[40:04] block and then a second question was in

[40:08] the actual PowerPoint I think it was the

[40:09] first actual Slide the Article 2 traffic

[40:11] regulations I know we've talked a lot

[40:13] about stop signs and LED lights do you

[40:15] think that'd be an appropriate Landing

[40:17] space for that to be included I know

[40:19] you've talked about like the true

[40:21] definition of traffic calling measures

[40:23] but I think in my head and

[40:24] conceptionally of a lot of members in

[40:25] the community they would see those as

[40:27] also um so would you think that is

[40:29] appropriate to put or add to that or

[40:31] does it already capture that yeah Mr

[40:33] chairman if I can yeah I I think that's

[40:35] already captured it matters under the

[40:37] city Authority crosswalk safety zone

[40:40] traffic Lanes traffic control U signals

[40:43] Etc so those types of issues I think are

[40:46] addressed earlier also referring to the

[40:49] uh section uh 1603 of the vehicle and

[40:52] traffic law so those issues regarding

[40:56] stop signs are are are addressed earlier

[40:59] I think what the you know Mr wallan was

[41:01] concerned about is because we're getting

[41:03] into a realm of Cafe traffic calming

[41:06] devices which are a

[41:08] different uh entity than a stop sign uh

[41:12] speed hum speed speed traffic tables Etc

[41:17] tra um um school zone cameras

[41:21] Etc that wasn't in the code and that's

[41:25] why the city engineer was looking for

[41:26] that new new section to create that

[41:29] because it just didn't Envision those

[41:31] types of devices but the more

[41:33] traditional devices the stop signs Etc

[41:36] that's already in the in the engineers

[41:38] Authority we did something similar to

[41:40] this 8 years ago where our parking

[41:44] sections of the code which is also under

[41:45] city engineer Authority did not

[41:47] anticipate apps or kiosks the the

[41:51] parking code only made reference to

[41:53] meters and coins and tokens so we had an

[41:56] issued a token

[41:57] in you know about 15 years 20 years at

[42:00] that point so we we updated the code so

[42:02] this is similar here that the traffic

[42:04] calming measures and these are even

[42:05] phrases that weren't said when when was

[42:08] traffic calming

[42:10] was I think I just want to say that I

[42:12] think one of um Mr wall suggestions was

[42:15] um adding and similar devices at the end

[42:18] of that first sentence so that might

[42:20] cover some but also you know but not

[42:23] limited to I think that's radens it you

[42:26] know another these are examples so as

[42:30] new types of devices are developed you

[42:32] always put that in there so it's not

[42:34] limited it's just those are the types of

[42:35] devices that will go into that section

[42:38] yeah I think often times that

[42:39] specifically with like job applications

[42:41] they put that as or other duties as aign

[42:43] so I think to those around the table and

[42:45] I imagine some those that you work

[42:46] closely with this is common language but

[42:48] just breaking it out for some people who

[42:50] are Tuning In For the First Time hello

[42:52] then it also includes other areas as

[42:54] well um so unless there are any other

[42:56] questions or comments

[42:58] um I think Mr O'Brian you asking for us

[43:00] to public hearing public hearing so we

[43:03] need to move for a public hearing Mr the

[43:06] only yes Mr when Mr was speaking you

[43:08] were asking about um doing this and

[43:11] having the passing the resolution on the

[43:13] same day I'm you know I'm a little

[43:15] reluctant to do that you can do that

[43:16] it's an option you can it's an option

[43:18] people come to speak at public hearing

[43:20] and if people come we don't want to say

[43:22] okay no going to move ahead so prer to

[43:25] stretch that out and what I let me just

[43:28] clarify I mean when you pass the

[43:30] ordinance when you pass the ordinance

[43:32] creating that new section it's not in

[43:34] the public hearing of doing that on the

[43:36] same NE what I'm saying is that when you

[43:39] pass the or after you have the public

[43:41] hearing the week transpired you goes to

[43:44] committee one more time at that point

[43:46] you'll be looking at the the the the

[43:49] policy and guidance and then you'll be

[43:52] looking at the Ordinance one last time

[43:53] and then you can pass both out at the

[43:55] next time and I'm saying is the

[43:57] resolution for the uh the uh the

[44:01] guidance can go at the same time and

[44:03] then you pass the ordinance that's

[44:05] clarification thank

[44:08] you so unless there any other questions

[44:10] or further um

[44:13] breakdowns so we're moving to call for

[44:15] public hearing to amend CH section

[44:18] 24811 and to CH 228

[44:23] 19 yes so second second all in favor hi

[44:29] uh then next are you enjoying the

[44:31] traffic safety presentations I am okay

[44:35] there's a new thing for me to do a

[44:37] presentation thank you very much thank

[44:41] you just point clarification that will

[44:44] be the the second meeting in October yes

[44:47] we're going to call for the public

[44:48] hearing but we're not going to have it

[44:49] until the second meeting in October yes

[44:53] okay so the second item on the agenda

[44:56] tonight is uh discussion to amend city

[44:58] code chapter 182 um last week we're able

[45:01] to have a special meeting which I

[45:02] thought was very informational and

[45:04] allowed us to have a very detailed

[45:06] conversation uh about the matter so just

[45:09] wanting to snapshot uh what was

[45:11] discussed I broke it down into three

[45:13] areas enforcement law and Council so the

[45:15] enforcement it was identified that noise

[45:17] complaints are a low lower priority

[45:19] calls which delay response times and are

[45:21] restricted to Staffing constraints

[45:24] however there will be future discussions

[45:25] to expand uh to incorporate drones as

[45:28] Force responders pending statutory uh

[45:31] obligations uh areas of focus are going

[45:33] to be communicating noise complaint

[45:34] warnings during ship change uh

[45:36] increasing education to inform offenders

[45:39] of potential fines and a potential

[45:41] permit process uh three seeking Clarity

[45:44] on appearance tickets uh and four

[45:47] granting officers the ability to seize

[45:48] or remove noise reproducing

[45:51] equipment uh the next area which was law

[45:53] identified that plea Agreements are

[45:55] commonly sought out to limit the volum

[45:57] of Trials and increasing uh fee

[46:00] collection and justifying attempts to

[46:02] enforce penalties in full will require

[46:05] or was recommended uh to increase

[46:07] penalties uh to support more frequent

[46:09] Court appearances and then the areas are

[46:12] focused in that area was uh how many

[46:14] fines were collected in 2024 uh what

[46:17] information is needed to charge to file

[46:19] charges or penalties uh advising

[46:22] religious or cultural ceremonies of

[46:23] proper concept or potential permit

[46:25] processes again and then evaluating

[46:28] penalties against

[46:29] installers uh the next area which was

[46:32] the council or think us uh was there

[46:35] appeared to be an equal consensus with

[46:36] raising and keeping penalties at their

[46:38] current level uh the areas of focus um

[46:41] identifying reviewing code and penalties

[46:43] against Vehicles pets construction and

[46:46] Firework noise offenders uh posting

[46:49] signage to monitor noise and parks with

[46:51] non-emergent police numbers and then

[46:54] updating chapter 183 which noise

[46:57] ordinance to raise point value for noise

[47:00] complaints and then overall I just

[47:02] wanted to thank my colleagues the mayor

[47:04] commissioner nine assistant chief

[47:06] antonovich and Miss barash for

[47:07] acknowledging this greater issue or

[47:09] growing issue and placing an important

[47:11] emphasis on educating our community and

[47:14] then in um wanted to just capture

[47:17] everything next steps were to identify

[47:19] chapter 183 uh to review the process for

[47:22] civilian complaints and their needed

[47:24] documentation and a ating the penalty

[47:27] schedule in addition to evaluating a

[47:30] potential permit process moving forward

[47:33] so at this time I want to ask if there

[47:34] are any Ms or any further comments about

[47:37] the event from the

[47:39] colleagues the only thing I you said

[47:41] chapter 183 was a noise when

[47:44] it okay just want thank you for people

[47:47] listening other than that I think that

[47:49] you've captured what we had a and you

[47:52] know if you don't mind we had a we had a

[47:54] a lengthy discussion an hour and a an

[47:56] hour and a half which I think is very

[47:57] beneficial but it just goes to what Mr W

[48:00] was actually saying why it's important

[48:01] that we have those kind of committee

[48:03] meetings outside of um the meeting here

[48:05] so we can really dive in and and have uh

[48:08] other individuals who need to be there

[48:09] to give us information there so thank

[48:11] you for pulling that together absolutely

[48:13] I um I was just wondering um did you

[48:16] mention the discussion that we had and

[48:19] you might have um about how do we get

[48:21] people to change their behavior and be

[48:23] more respectful of their neighbors in

[48:24] terms of that education

[48:27] yeah I wrote that into like the greater

[48:29] like educating our community um but

[48:31] definitely I appreciate um making sure

[48:34] that that is also captured that's a huge

[48:36] part as well Mr yeah Jan just add to

[48:39] that very good detail um description I

[48:43] had ask um Corporation Council to look

[48:46] into legislation in terms of um

[48:48] loudspeaker and the exhaust if we can

[48:50] able to legislate that locally here as a

[48:52] state law but uh or Corporation Council

[48:56] um is looking into that if we can do

[48:58] something local and also drone as a

[49:00] force responder if we need legislation

[49:02] for that if we're going to use the Drone

[49:04] as for responders so that we put some

[49:08] protection to our Police Department

[49:10] whenever that is um used as a for

[49:13] respond and the same thing also to AC

[49:16] you mention forit legislation on and

[49:18] forit application as we move forward to

[49:21] in this

[49:23] section thank you any other questions or

[49:25] comments Mr Patrick I don't I mean I

[49:27] know I uh sent late uh my suggestions

[49:30] based on our meeting on Friday and I

[49:32] didn't know if others did but can we try

[49:35] to I mean I don't know I guess the next

[49:36] step we have to continue this discussion

[49:38] so could we um maybe have if if other

[49:41] council members and and Mr Williams's

[49:43] comments that he just made it would be

[49:45] great to have all those in front of us

[49:47] and to help us prepare for when we do

[49:49] that the next discussion or I would say

[49:51] I took into consideration so these were

[49:53] not all inclusive like my thoughts it

[49:55] was a capture of the event and then what

[49:57] I received so far oh okay

[50:00] okay and then mrb had your hand rais

[50:02] again yeah I'm regarding vehic and

[50:04] traffic while we look under there um

[50:06] there is

[50:08] a currently in the code a section on

[50:12] noisy vehicles um that covers a number

[50:15] of

[50:17] situations um and that uh

[50:21] so these vehicles is it's looking under

[50:25] 1824

[50:27] uh we can also look that look at that in

[50:30] conjunction with anything the vehicle

[50:31] and traffic law that also deals with

[50:33] loud mufflers etc for for violations of

[50:37] the state vehicle and traffic law and

[50:40] regarding the issue as to drones and

[50:42] that one we have to be very careful

[50:45] about that um invasion of privacy Etc um

[50:49] because drones um have to be used in a

[50:52] very circumstan type Manner and

[50:57] um um so that will require research but

[51:05] it's could be peering into areas that

[51:08] you're not supposed to be peering into

[51:10] because it's one thing to have cameras

[51:13] on a in a public way just thing is going

[51:15] into private areas one must be very very

[51:19] careful and uh also technology wise do

[51:22] we have the technology to do that do the

[51:24] officers have the ability to capture

[51:26] sounds off of that and also regarding

[51:30] when they're responding to the scene do

[51:32] their body cameras pick up those types

[51:35] of what as they're approaching the scene

[51:38] is it is it picking up the the the sound

[51:42] in in in realistic terms and whether

[51:45] that can also be downloaded to be used

[51:47] in a at a court seed so those are

[51:50] obviously legal and technical issues

[51:52] that have to be

[51:54] addressed Qui and actually some those a

[51:57] couple the Drone specifically I brought

[51:59] up because I had concerns about what

[52:01] people would be thinking about drones

[52:02] flying over their houses because they're

[52:04] having a party um but uh commissioner

[52:07] Divine was here so we did ask them to

[52:09] concern you know to bring information

[52:11] about whe whether or not that's

[52:13] something that we could do

[52:15] legally um so and you're right it does

[52:18] has have about the noise in the

[52:20] ordinance already but we the um the

[52:22] modified Mufflers was one of the things

[52:24] which is actually in here but uh that

[52:26] was there was that one and there was one

[52:28] other thing about the cars okay well I

[52:30] mean there may be something in the VNT

[52:32] law the vehicle and traffic law that

[52:34] will address that as well so we can we

[52:38] can take a look at that so for the next

[52:40] meeting I think it would be helpful to

[52:42] have that if there's anything within the

[52:44] vehicle and traffic wall to have that

[52:46] information provided for us as well

[52:48] sounds good far just really quick and

[52:52] and you guys might have covered this

[52:53] point I'm just wondering about when we

[52:55] you know respond

[52:57] and timeas O'Brien's point there

[53:00] different you know are all the you know

[53:03] body cans are they all you know equipped

[53:06] to measure whatever sound deciel that

[53:09] we're at right this first cuz right now

[53:11] I know that you know from my

[53:13] understanding it are they shaking their

[53:14] head enough so what they told us at the

[53:17] meeting was there's no there's they

[53:19] don't have any deso meetings right now

[53:21] it's whether you can hear it within 50

[53:23] ft so if you have really good hearing

[53:26] are not so great here uh so that's what

[53:29] um assistant chief right anovich um said

[53:33] that within 50 ft is the guideline right

[53:34] now you can hear it within 50 ft and

[53:36] it's too

[53:39] L concerned

[53:41] about sounds like you guys were

[53:43] addressing some of the um cultural

[53:45] celebrations and things like that I just

[53:47] think since already on I just kind of

[53:49] highlight that make sure that because

[53:52] leading things up to a certain level of

[53:54] discuss cause

[53:57] you can um unintentionally un

[54:00] perpetually you know some biases and

[54:02] again it's a tough thing to talk about

[54:03] but you probably just make sure that

[54:05] that's at the front of our mind have

[54:06] this

[54:07] conversation and then to that point I

[54:09] think just trying to evaluate areas in

[54:11] which the code can be responsive to our

[54:13] changing Society while still being

[54:16] adherent to like emerging technology and

[54:18] its um uh and this impact on people's

[54:21] lives IE the drones um but then also how

[54:24] do we use technology that's coming in um

[54:27] to leverage to really reduce or improve

[54:31] I'd say say quality of life for for

[54:33] residents so I think this wi has a

[54:35] really big emphasis on just people being

[54:38] aware of the impact of their actions um

[54:42] then also understand there's no perfect

[54:43] solution so the thing we kind of started

[54:45] off with was this issue noise is not

[54:48] something that's specific or unique

[54:51] to but I do appreciate how our city is

[54:53] very uh open and acknowledging of these

[54:55] types of issues and seeks to address

[54:57] them head on so I think with

[54:59] conversations continuing I think we'll

[55:01] continue to position ourselves to

[55:03] address this m point so there any other

[55:06] questions or

[55:07] comments yeah just as a followup

[55:09] regarding the vehicle and traffic law uh

[55:12] under 1825 with standards reasonable

[55:15] noise our code incorporates by reference

[55:18] a section of the vehicle and traffic LA

[55:20] will we'll discuss that in detail next

[55:22] time that section so um everybody knows

[55:25] what that that entails um and the uh the

[55:30] uh

[55:32] 1825 mentions that section regarding

[55:34] automobiles but it also goes through a

[55:36] whole list of criteria which is but not

[55:39] limited to so it's it's the whole it's

[55:41] is it's broad dealing with that with

[55:45] that issue it's it's included but not

[55:47] limited to it's a whole different

[55:49] factors the time of the day weather is

[55:51] noise the duration of the noise so um

[55:55] those are all factors that our current

[55:57] ordinance already covers but we will

[55:59] take a look at that and uh report back

[56:02] regarding vehic on traffic

[56:04] law incorporation which is good that

[56:07] that it's already that law is already

[56:09] Incorporated by reference into our our

[56:11] stat our ordinance so that's good

[56:14] andrick is 50 foot um that we discussed

[56:19] instead of the decel the 80 decel

[56:21] reading is that in your it is in your

[56:24] okay it's

[56:28] no I know but um basically it was

[56:30] explained to us that rather than using

[56:32] that they're using the 50

[56:35] 50t measure because it don't want the

[56:38] device right but yeah so not I mean I

[56:43] think we we're going to go to our

[56:44] meeting other meeting and really discuss

[56:46] it more but actually in our in our code

[56:48] it refers to 25

[56:50] ft when uh assistant chief anovich I

[56:53] think he was talking about the vehicle

[56:55] traffic um about another ordinance

[56:58] because in here it says 25 clearly

[57:00] 25 so that's um on page no I got it see

[57:07] that any other questions or comments

[57:10] hearing

[57:11] on so moving on to the last agenda item

[57:14] is the appointment of Anthony Jud to the

[57:16] civilian police review

[57:20] board uh

[57:26] hello um Anthony Jud has shown interest

[57:29] in participating in the civilian police

[57:31] review board his resume was brought

[57:33] forth by deine and Carl brought it forth

[57:37] to the mayor um the mayor did meet with

[57:39] him on Wednesday August 28th and those

[57:42] want to proceive and appointing him to

[57:45] the

[57:47] board yeah so thank you for that so

[57:51] um yes okay so so Mr he probably met him

[57:55] he's been here sever times maybe know it

[57:57] was but one of the two gentlemen that

[57:59] have been coming here to meetings um

[58:01] pretty consistently and uh showed an

[58:04] interest and they actually forwarded

[58:05] their resume and and Miss paler and Mr

[58:09] Williams just trying to make sure I got

[58:10] pushed through the process so there was

[58:12] two of them that actually were

[58:13] interested and so one of them the mayor

[58:16] met with yes and chose um Mr J yes to be

[58:22] there you have questions

[58:24] comments motion second second all those

[58:27] in favor I are there any items to call

[58:29] Public Safety hearing may have motion to

[58:31] adour so move so move second CL in favor

[58:35] I we

[58:37] are I would like to call the finance

[58:39] committee to order on the fourth item is

[58:41] the

[58:42] 2024 2025 final annual action plan

[58:47] allocation Vice Miss

[58:50] car good evening City Council Members

[58:52] I'll bring before you a updated Revis um

[58:57] version of our 2024-25 annual action

[59:00] plan after another review with HUD we

[59:02] had to make some slight adjustments to

[59:04] our plan to make sure that we were

[59:06] aligned with our regulatory caps that we

[59:08] need to adhere to so I listed them out

[59:11] um we had to lessen our home admin by $

[59:17] 7,325 192 we had to increase our Habitat

[59:22] Humanity funding project by $ 7,127

[59:26] 15 Habitat for Humanity home is a Cho

[59:30] and we have to have a minimum of 15% of

[59:33] our allocation go towards Cho and it's

[59:35] the one home project that had room um to

[59:37] still increase and we moov two cdbg

[59:40] projects and recategorize them in our

[59:42] nrsa area which is our neighborhood

[59:44] revitalization strategy area and those

[59:47] include the Empowerment Center and boys

[59:49] and girls club we move them because if

[59:52] they are in the nrsa area they don't

[59:54] have there is no C so it allowed us to

[59:57] continue the funding with the other

[59:59] items under just regular cdbg which has

[1:00:01] a 7.5% um allocation

[1:00:04] cap the ACT today is um for city council

[1:00:07] to accept the new the revised annual

[1:00:10] action plan um with the Amendments

[1:00:14] indicated questions

[1:00:17] comments seeting down may have a motion

[1:00:20] to move this

[1:00:22] forward second all in favor I thank you

[1:00:26] thank you thank you the next item is the

[1:00:29] police department fees and revenue

[1:00:32] proposal assistance

[1:00:35] rle so back in last year when we were

[1:00:38] going over the budget um one of the

[1:00:41] items take away from the budget was um

[1:00:43] looking at our fees some of our fees are

[1:00:46] outdated and this is a step that I have

[1:00:49] taken after the budget into this year to

[1:00:51] kind of look at it and um here we are

[1:00:54] today with the police department

[1:00:56] presenting their fee

[1:00:59] proposal assistant chief it's all yours

[1:01:01] okay thank you very much uh so we're

[1:01:02] going to start off there's believe four

[1:01:04] different areas where I think the fees

[1:01:06] can be increased uh to start

[1:01:10] with we will go to the false alarm fees

[1:01:13] uh right now we'll get into what the

[1:01:16] extra false alarm fees are in the next

[1:01:17] slide but a false alarm is charged after

[1:01:20] four free false alarms within the city

[1:01:22] so if there's basically we go to

[1:01:24] someone's business or the residents four

[1:01:27] different times uh for false alarm for

[1:01:30] faulty wiring or um the failure to

[1:01:34] maintain their alarm system we go there

[1:01:37] four times for free and the fifth one we

[1:01:39] charge $25 the second one we charg 50

[1:01:43] third 75 and 125 Beyond from there so in

[1:01:47] 2022 we took in a total of

[1:01:50] 13,750 and 23 the 36,000 and so far Year

[1:01:53] date we taken in 35,000

[1:01:56] it's section 124 is actually of the city

[1:02:00] code gives us what the persistent false

[1:02:01] alarm actually is um the yellow is what

[1:02:04] I propose as a change um one word goes

[1:02:08] from the two from the four to the two U

[1:02:10] this was last adopted in 1996 as

[1:02:14] well and the penalties for the offense

[1:02:18] are would stay exactly the same uh is

[1:02:21] the the code

[1:02:24] itself uh determines what a persistent

[1:02:26] false alarm actually is so that the

[1:02:30] penalties would stay the same so all in

[1:02:33] all if we move the free alarms from 4

[1:02:36] down to two uh the city could expect

[1:02:38] between 20 to $25,000 a year in

[1:02:39] additional Revenue the reason why as

[1:02:43] it's important that we do this is uh

[1:02:45] people do have the options to get these

[1:02:47] fixed so we're not spending all of our

[1:02:49] time there most these police calls

[1:02:51] involved all of them should by protocol

[1:02:52] have two officers go so sometimes it's

[1:02:54] two cars sometimes it's one car with two

[1:02:56] officers but whenever there's an alarm

[1:02:58] um it's a higher priority call and

[1:03:00] actually it's like the loud music calls

[1:03:02] um it's we take everyone seriously like

[1:03:04] it's a Burg in progress or something

[1:03:06] serious going on so we go lights and

[1:03:09] Sirens there stuff happens um it

[1:03:11] increases the danger for the officers

[1:03:12] and other people in the city so by doing

[1:03:15] this um hopefully it gets people

[1:03:17] motivated to get their alarms fixed and

[1:03:20] also if they don't it will generate more

[1:03:22] revenue for the

[1:03:24] city can we we ask questions during the

[1:03:27] presentation ex up to have I ask

[1:03:31] question as we go for

[1:03:33] slide so go ahead please okay my

[1:03:36] question is my question is um if you

[1:03:38] could just go back to the uh slide where

[1:03:41] it's talking about yeah the

[1:03:43] fees I they're they're low those fees

[1:03:47] are low um I'm don't building on the

[1:03:50] discussion that we had the other evening

[1:03:52] about the noise complaints yes ma um so

[1:03:56] I'm I'm just wondering if other people

[1:03:59] feel like those are really low and

[1:04:00] should be increasing them or thinking

[1:04:02] about increasing them so I will say that

[1:04:04] I dropped the ball on this and on other

[1:04:06] ones I have uh recommendations or

[1:04:09] information from other towns and cities

[1:04:11] this one I did not look up what

[1:04:12] other well we did look at it because

[1:04:15] we're actually dropping the amount of

[1:04:16] free calls from four to two so there

[1:04:18] will be more Revenue in the back end so

[1:04:22] yes we can increase it but at the same

[1:04:23] time we're expanding no I I

[1:04:26] either way we are still getting in

[1:04:27] Revenue additional revenue of um on high

[1:04:31] $25,000 and that's a best estimate okay

[1:04:34] great go ahead so yeah I I would

[1:04:38] agree pck I think that she's referring

[1:04:41] to that that increasing those fees I

[1:04:43] would say increasing the fees as well as

[1:04:46] um you know reducing the amount of

[1:04:48] quotequote food CS I think that um but I

[1:04:51] guess my question is now this includes

[1:04:53] on like fire alarms

[1:04:56] business this is not fire alarms I know

[1:04:57] the fire department is working on

[1:04:58] something else this is just the false

[1:05:00] alarms of Security Alarms okay okay they

[1:05:04] I believe that they are working on

[1:05:05] something as well okay

[1:05:07] good oh sorry how successful are we at

[1:05:11] collecting the fees that we currently

[1:05:12] have and know so I don't have the Law

[1:05:15] Department actually does that for us so

[1:05:16] I don't know I don't know off hand okay

[1:05:19] I don't know you go back to current um

[1:05:21] data this is what we have in previous

[1:05:24] years yeah currently yeah but that

[1:05:27] doesn't tell me how many calls there

[1:05:29] were for the

[1:05:30] income so I can get you that as well our

[1:05:33] Lieutenant on midnights he puts

[1:05:35] everything together and sends out our

[1:05:36] Law Department I believe it is bi-weekly

[1:05:39] and I can have I can figure out how many

[1:05:44] times I guess oh I guess lot the farm

[1:05:46] actually but they but they bill out from

[1:05:48] there so I can follow up with the answer

[1:05:50] to that great so were we looking for a

[1:05:53] list of the calls no not at all so in

[1:05:56] 2022 let's use that for an example we

[1:05:58] know the income is

[1:06:00] 13,750 we do not know what the income

[1:06:03] was generated from how many calls there

[1:06:05] were how many false alarms there were

[1:06:08] because we we just don't know the number

[1:06:09] so how many false alarms it take to

[1:06:11] generate that amount of money in that

[1:06:14] year and and also did every false alarm

[1:06:18] actually get paid did people actually

[1:06:20] pay it after when they were built so

[1:06:23] there may have been like let's say we

[1:06:25] build I don't

[1:06:26] know 100 or something and then did it

[1:06:29] all 100 people pay or did only 75 people

[1:06:32] pay so we don't know that data so it

[1:06:34] would be helpful when we we see the

[1:06:37] income we just don't know what generated

[1:06:38] the

[1:06:39] income when we were going through this

[1:06:41] you had a list of all the

[1:06:43] calls snapshot of some of the calls is

[1:06:45] that you can use that very same report

[1:06:47] to generate um previous years and to see

[1:06:51] um to attach the collection to that yes

[1:06:53] so I should be able to go back I know

[1:06:55] have 24 and 23 I know previously the I

[1:06:59] questioned the um why there's such a

[1:07:03] different number in there and I believe

[1:07:05] it was how we provided data to the live

[1:07:07] department when they actually build them

[1:07:09] out so I think there was a change in

[1:07:11] process along the way but I can look to

[1:07:14] see if I can get a number of how many

[1:07:16] people actually build and how many paid

[1:07:18] I can see if we get a

[1:07:22] Redemption no sorry so I two points

[1:07:26] definitely to miss Patrick's Point I

[1:07:27] would like to see the fees increased cuz

[1:07:29] one of my thoughts is what is the

[1:07:31] opportunity cost or what is the cost of

[1:07:33] the officers responding to that and

[1:07:35] going to another incident throughout the

[1:07:37] city um but I also want to kind of

[1:07:39] caution us at finding that right balance

[1:07:40] SO waiting to see what your um research

[1:07:43] provides because although fees are

[1:07:45] Revenue generating like you go too high

[1:07:47] and then you can kind of zero out that

[1:07:49] line so definitely it does require a bit

[1:07:51] of finesse

[1:07:54] absolutely what whates what is the

[1:07:56] suggestion to

[1:07:58] raise i' would like to see what other I

[1:08:00] don't have I don't have a

[1:08:03] suggestion I just want to say that when

[1:08:06] we consider as we're talking about these

[1:08:07] fees these aren't the only fees we're

[1:08:09] talking

[1:08:10] about I want to make sure that you know

[1:08:12] we just aren't like feing people piure

[1:08:15] yes we have to definitely look at the

[1:08:17] big

[1:08:18] picture so we can come back to this way

[1:08:21] in terms of the

[1:08:23] feed the next one is a much smaller one

[1:08:26] it's a records

[1:08:28] fee we currently charge $20 for somebody

[1:08:32] who asked for a letter of Good Conduct

[1:08:35] or a uh letter for criminal history to

[1:08:38] show that they are they don't have a

[1:08:40] criminal history um some people want to

[1:08:43] provide it to businesses or landlords

[1:08:46] that I'm being told we only you about 50

[1:08:48] of these a year it's not a very common

[1:08:51] thing um I believe it was 2000 was the

[1:08:54] last time you looked at and it was $20

[1:08:56] back then so um I suggested a $40 fee to

[1:09:00] that unit would raise ,000 $2,000

[1:09:04] depending on how many

[1:09:06] um employers we get for the year but

[1:09:09] that is

[1:09:12] a go ahead please um so for so for

[1:09:17] number three when you're ask talking

[1:09:18] about the U arrest files Etc how far are

[1:09:21] you looking I mean we just looking at

[1:09:23] Connected are we looking in New York

[1:09:25] State I don't have that answer I will I

[1:09:27] can look for you I believe that is a all

[1:09:31] of all state I believe I believe that's

[1:09:33] all New York state but all New York

[1:09:35] State I believe so I could get an answer

[1:09:37] for that from our records and the other

[1:09:40] second part of that you say it says free

[1:09:42] to authorize agencies uh what

[1:09:44] constitutes an authorized agency and why

[1:09:47] aren't they pay paying

[1:09:49] for as well as an individual I believe

[1:09:52] that's like another Police Department or

[1:09:54] a establishes fees only for the police

[1:09:57] department so I believe that would be

[1:09:59] for uh FBI New York State Police they'll

[1:10:03] send us records back and forth and I

[1:10:05] believe that's was put in there to limit

[1:10:07] that but I I don't have the official so

[1:10:11] just if you so to expand on that just

[1:10:13] like say for instance you want to hire

[1:10:15] somebody and you can you get this

[1:10:17] information as well can I ask the police

[1:10:19] department for that if I'm interested in

[1:10:20] hiring someone no if I want to well if

[1:10:22] we're going to hire somebody then we

[1:10:23] have to F bre you want somebody else

[1:10:25] have to sign off on it and he would have

[1:10:27] to authorize you to get it okay and

[1:10:29] provide a letter we we can't do it

[1:10:31] without that person's authorization in

[1:10:33] that case let say I'm willing I want

[1:10:35] this job I'm going to sign it would you

[1:10:37] then um charge the agency or

[1:10:39] organization that's going to hire for

[1:10:42] that record so we've never done that

[1:10:43] before I don't know if we can do that

[1:10:45] but um I've never seen that happen

[1:10:47] before this is usually I guess for when

[1:10:49] people travel also when they apply for

[1:10:51] pieces they need one of these um it's a

[1:10:53] letter that the records does a

[1:10:54] background check they submit a letter

[1:10:57] the chief has to sign off on it and say

[1:10:59] that what the records

[1:11:01] are oh obiously okay but I have a vis I

[1:11:05] don't know I I I didn't know that people

[1:11:08] needed that kind of stuff okay I guess

[1:11:09] it possibly depending where you're

[1:11:10] traveling too

[1:11:15] okay that's it for this

[1:11:19] section the next one goes into the

[1:11:21] parking finds this is a bigger one uh

[1:11:25] New York State set some limits to some

[1:11:28] parking fines or some fees to city

[1:11:30] council you U you guys set many more and

[1:11:35] next this right here is a summary of the

[1:11:38] top 10 items that can be changed and

[1:11:43] they're all that had over 112 or over

[1:11:45] 100 issued within the last year so we

[1:11:48] did a rolling 12 Monon average uh and I

[1:11:52] looked at Troy Albany and a little bit

[1:11:55] more information on that as well but

[1:11:57] currently right now most of the fees are

[1:11:59] set is

[1:12:02] $35 and I believe that the city last

[1:12:06] looked at

[1:12:08] them I think they looked in 2011

[1:12:11] possibly is the last time I see an

[1:12:12] ordinance change I don't know if

[1:12:13] something was added if the fees were

[1:12:15] changed at that time but there's a lot

[1:12:17] of them were

[1:12:18] $35 Troy re uh did theirs in

[1:12:22] 2016 where they increased a lot of them

[1:12:24] to around

[1:12:25] $50 they also adopted something that

[1:12:28] went from uh it doubled after 2 weeks

[1:12:31] where right now currently we have a

[1:12:32] doubling after 20 days and they tripled

[1:12:34] it after 60 days in 2016 Albany has not

[1:12:39] looked at theirs in over 20 years um so

[1:12:44] they're they're are lower than what

[1:12:47] we're proposing but the last time in the

[1:12:50] order updated it was at minimum 13 years

[1:12:52] ago but probably longer longer than that

[1:12:54] so I put in there the last 12 months how

[1:12:57] many of each of those tickets were

[1:12:59] issued by our parking department or some

[1:13:01] of times our officers and what it would

[1:13:04] mean if we were to increase it in the

[1:13:05] yellow be the suggested increase and the

[1:13:08] blue is what the overall find would be

[1:13:11] in the end and the last column is the

[1:13:14] impact of what kind of Revenue we

[1:13:15] generated if everything stay constant

[1:13:17] over the next 12 months for the top then

[1:13:20] there's six or seven others that have

[1:13:23] under 100 um that we would look at as

[1:13:25] well but those are the the top 10 fig

[1:13:28] I'd start

[1:13:32] there and those that are we can increase

[1:13:34] the others we can out because these ones

[1:13:37] are you can you can increase all these

[1:13:39] regulation yeah there the max allowed

[1:13:42] column is where New York State BNT

[1:13:44] determines what the maximum you can

[1:13:45] charge is for different items that we'll

[1:13:48] be able to find um the fire hydrant

[1:13:50] actually could not find anything that

[1:13:52] says what the maximum was but New York

[1:13:55] City does $115 that's why I know we can

[1:13:58] go at least to

[1:14:00] 115 yes go ahead please uh I just wanted

[1:14:03] to say like I appreciate it the

[1:14:04] breakdown gave a lot of context and I

[1:14:07] would say as one of the first

[1:14:09] presentations regarding F Cris um I

[1:14:11] appreciate your responsiveness to the

[1:14:13] issue and then I would say snapshotting

[1:14:15] this and using this as a template uh cuz

[1:14:18] definitely U I wouldn't call out other

[1:14:20] municipalities but it helps us

[1:14:23] understand just where we gauge in the

[1:14:24] exactly that's why it was done yet

[1:14:28] yeah any other question on this slide

[1:14:31] all right now I'm just just to kind of

[1:14:33] reference the impact if we had this Fe

[1:14:35] at the beginning of this year we would

[1:14:37] have seen an impact of

[1:14:40] 242,000 yes sir in 12 months rolling so

[1:14:42] six months or 9 months of this year 3

[1:14:44] months of last year yes so it's a

[1:14:46] significant um Revenue um increase their

[1:14:50] for Police Department go ahead please so

[1:14:53] I I don't know that this is exactly I

[1:14:55] just know that they're close related and

[1:14:56] again I think it's wor to mention it

[1:14:58] it's just especially when we're talking

[1:14:59] about parking tickets um there are you

[1:15:02] know there's studies National studies

[1:15:04] and I haven't you know we haven't looked

[1:15:05] at our I haven't looked at our city data

[1:15:07] but you just have to be mindful about

[1:15:09] like what type of fees we increase

[1:15:12] because we can unintentionally um impact

[1:15:17] uh certain marginalized communi based on

[1:15:20] the way that the

[1:15:22] um their ability to parve is the base

[1:15:25] that um you know some neighborhoods have

[1:15:28] you know more driveways some there's

[1:15:31] there's there's different contributing

[1:15:33] factors to how we can unintentionally

[1:15:36] impact certain communities more than

[1:15:38] others so I just want to highlight that

[1:15:40] I just think that is something that we

[1:15:41] should be mindful that and we're if

[1:15:42] we're just looking to increase the Fe it

[1:15:44] looks like we definitely should be doing

[1:15:46] in some areas

[1:15:48] that just increasing the fees you know

[1:15:51] there's a greater it can be a greater

[1:15:53] impact to the larg community

[1:15:57] you

[1:16:00] yes go ahead please m i I brought that

[1:16:03] up the other day when we were talking

[1:16:04] about the noise violations um because

[1:16:06] the fee increases are suggested are

[1:16:09] quite High um and it was pointed out to

[1:16:12] me that again we're I I forget the exact

[1:16:16] language but that we're trying to get

[1:16:19] people to change their behavior and so

[1:16:21] you

[1:16:22] know we might have to increase Feast to

[1:16:25] a certain extent because I don't want

[1:16:28] use the word punitive but you know we

[1:16:30] are trying to to be punitive um we are

[1:16:33] hoping that people I I don't want to put

[1:16:35] words but you guys were were very good

[1:16:38] in the way that you responded to me

[1:16:39] about that the other day um I was

[1:16:42] talking about you know poor kinds of

[1:16:45] populations um but I got that I thought

[1:16:48] I thought that was a good response to my

[1:16:50] to my query I I think the whole Drive is

[1:16:54] to this effective January 1st so we have

[1:16:57] a we have a couple months to to do an

[1:16:59] educational um Outreach behavioral we

[1:17:02] talked about last week at the public

[1:17:05] safety meeting to kind of edicate people

[1:17:07] that this is this is going to happen so

[1:17:08] we're not going to like pass it next

[1:17:10] week and then inforce of the calling

[1:17:11] week January

[1:17:13] 1st so so um

[1:17:16] I first I'll speak to what you just

[1:17:19] talked about the difference in this is

[1:17:21] that you have a choice over how loud

[1:17:23] you're going to play your music that's a

[1:17:24] decision that you make however if

[1:17:26] there's limited parking on your street

[1:17:28] then you can only work within those

[1:17:29] parameters so I don't know that they're

[1:17:32] necessarily things that we can equally

[1:17:34] um compare because I want to have a loud

[1:17:36] party I'm going to turn it up whether

[1:17:38] you like it or not but if there's

[1:17:39] limited parking then I'm I'm you know I

[1:17:42] have to work within those parameters so

[1:17:44] I'm not sure if that's that's a

[1:17:46] comparison that um that I would really

[1:17:47] make in terms of um people's ability to

[1:17:51] pay um because you made a decision or

[1:17:54] you don't really have have any place

[1:17:55] else to park so um there's that the

[1:17:57] other thing I wanted to know and will

[1:18:00] this impact it and should we take a look

[1:18:01] at it some of our parking signs are a

[1:18:04] little bit outdated and they were put up

[1:18:07] when people were working at GE and they

[1:18:09] worked these interesting hours and so

[1:18:11] you couldn't park at a certain time on

[1:18:13] one side of the street versus the other

[1:18:14] side of the street so if we're talking

[1:18:16] about um changing um the fees for

[1:18:19] parking sh we also be looking to make

[1:18:20] sure that how we currently have our

[1:18:22] signage makes sense for how people work

[1:18:25] today I think that's something we should

[1:18:27] um cuz now some people have alternate

[1:18:29] parking they don't even pay attention to

[1:18:31] it I see parking on both sides of Street

[1:18:33] on a regular basis because the signs

[1:18:35] just really don't make sense cuz people

[1:18:38] don't work like they did with those

[1:18:39] hours when GE was like the main employer

[1:18:42] in the city of SK so I think we would

[1:18:44] have to take that I know that that's

[1:18:46] going to take a lot because we have to

[1:18:47] pay for signs do a study do all of those

[1:18:50] things however those are things that we

[1:18:51] should all also be taking a look at well

[1:18:55] well not only people who don't um who

[1:18:57] work some people who don't work doesn't

[1:18:58] even go they move their car so it's it's

[1:19:01] a two-way you know into that people just

[1:19:03] need to comply you know just like the

[1:19:06] noise new people playing loud music

[1:19:08] we're going to increase the fear you

[1:19:10] come into compliance if not you're going

[1:19:11] to have to pay the violation same thing

[1:19:13] we need you know to clean up the street

[1:19:15] and get people to comply with regulation

[1:19:18] you park on the wrong side you're going

[1:19:20] to get ticket they're parking they're

[1:19:22] parking all over the place but there's a

[1:19:24] parking makes sense so that's we have to

[1:19:25] take the look it makes sense for how we

[1:19:27] live now yeah what we'll need to do is

[1:19:28] to make sure that we have updated signs

[1:19:31] across the city if we're going to

[1:19:32] enforce this signs need to be placed

[1:19:33] across updated sign new signs and put

[1:19:36] that in place so people are aware that

[1:19:38] parking on either side is within a given

[1:19:41] the

[1:19:42] violation go ahead please so I

[1:19:45] appreciate president P for that

[1:19:47] distinction cuz you know definitely one

[1:19:50] is more I think that when you're talking

[1:19:52] about parking fees and and the reason

[1:19:54] why they have these these National

[1:19:56] studies is because

[1:19:58] um unintentionally I would say in some

[1:20:01] places and certainly by Design in other

[1:20:04] places um you start

[1:20:07] to uh kind of take advantage of the most

[1:20:11] marginalized people in your community

[1:20:13] and and start to increase feeds based

[1:20:15] off them based on the fact that there is

[1:20:18] um and not not just the case of of

[1:20:22] limited uh parking but there's also

[1:20:25] the enforcement strategies which is more

[1:20:27] you know would be more up to the police

[1:20:30] department as well to kind of consider

[1:20:31] those things as just we have to keep

[1:20:33] that in front of our in front of our

[1:20:35] mind CU if not we can have these really

[1:20:36] good policies that make a lot of sense

[1:20:38] increase our Revenue um but we could be

[1:20:41] doing it off the backs of our most

[1:20:42] vulnerable population in the city now we

[1:20:44] just always have to ask ourselves to

[1:20:45] right questions we doing any of these

[1:20:47] things right because if

[1:20:49] it if it if we're increasing the fee and

[1:20:52] we're going to you know bring in another

[1:20:55] $200,000 but 80 to 90% of that

[1:20:58] $200,000 is coming from you know you

[1:21:02] know two or three neighborhoods that

[1:21:04] just happen to be the uh neighborhoods

[1:21:06] that the design is far more likely for

[1:21:09] someone to be out of compliance with the

[1:21:11] with the department and that's something

[1:21:12] that you just have to that's you don't

[1:21:15] have the data for that you have the

[1:21:17] data so so what I what I was saying same

[1:21:19] question so what what I said uh in the

[1:21:22] beginning of of what my statement was I

[1:21:25] was referring to more to Nationals

[1:21:27] Trends and the first thing I said was I

[1:21:28] haven't looked at the data within our

[1:21:30] city there something to be mindful of

[1:21:32] and pay attention because if we increase

[1:21:33] this without looking at the data we can

[1:21:35] unintentionally perpetuate that outcome

[1:21:37] so it so we would so I wasn't making a

[1:21:39] statement that What's happen you I'm

[1:21:40] saying if we're changing something then

[1:21:42] we need to be mindful of that or won't

[1:21:44] be being

[1:21:45] ACC clear well we have to we have to

[1:21:47] make sure that we encourage the police

[1:21:49] to do across the board and no no

[1:21:51] Community or no neighborhood should be

[1:21:53] targeted but

[1:21:55] apply it across the entire city when

[1:21:57] they're doing enforcement or when

[1:21:59] they're applying

[1:22:03] tickets well I was just going to say I

[1:22:05] mean you guys probably have data my

[1:22:07] neighborhood um in terms of breakdown of

[1:22:10] these tickets so I've never seen it but

[1:22:12] I'm going ask Adam do you know is that

[1:22:15] possible through the the software y okay

[1:22:19] so it is it's possible for us to see

[1:22:21] that

[1:22:22] so has got tickets so can you can you um

[1:22:26] make a note and provide that to the

[1:22:27] council

[1:22:31] please so looking for a breakdown of

[1:22:35] tickets per is it Go by zone or do it Go

[1:22:37] by area where you think it goes

[1:22:40] by no it's not a Zone like we consider

[1:22:44] the neighborhood Zone it might be a Zone

[1:22:46] but there's no correlation between that

[1:22:48] zone in in our system compared to what

[1:22:52] there is uh in the city

[1:22:55] um you know we enforce where the signs

[1:22:57] are available so so so to the point of

[1:23:00] you know where do we enforce we we

[1:23:02] enforce where we can enforce uh there

[1:23:04] are neighborhoods um that there is no

[1:23:07] signage but it makes sense because some

[1:23:10] of the streets are wider uh the the

[1:23:13] neighbor of the uh driveways are longer

[1:23:16] so a lot of this uh enforcement is is

[1:23:19] not

[1:23:20] necessarily Revenue generator but it's

[1:23:23] it's a it's a safety aspect too you have

[1:23:25] neighborhoods that have narrow streets

[1:23:27] and you have bothside parking you can't

[1:23:30] get emergency Personnel down there um

[1:23:33] and often times the signs indicate the

[1:23:35] season right so there's more

[1:23:38] prohibitions during certain seasons for

[1:23:40] the obvious reasons of snowfall some

[1:23:42] some of the ones that I know that are

[1:23:44] kind of different there'll be no

[1:23:46] parkings aside from 1:00 a.m. to 6 a.m.

[1:23:49] the reason is because the street street

[1:23:51] sweepers would come down can you just

[1:23:54] come on

[1:23:55] I thought oh yeah that's the camera is

[1:23:57] focusing yeah we he turn to you but yeah

[1:24:00] you're providing a lot of information U

[1:24:02] so some of the some of the signs that we

[1:24:05] might not have a comprehensive

[1:24:07] understanding to at least that face

[1:24:08] value do serve a legitimate purpose the

[1:24:10] example I was saying before is no

[1:24:12] standing this side 1:00 a.m. to 6:00

[1:24:14] a.m. uh you know you think what is that

[1:24:16] about but but it's uh it's for street

[1:24:19] street sweeping so obviously it just

[1:24:21] makes more sense to have that um

[1:24:24] but that's it you know again we we we

[1:24:26] ticket where we can and enforce where we

[1:24:28] can and um I don't know why they decided

[1:24:32] to put things in certain areas uh you

[1:24:35] know maybe it's a for a broader

[1:24:37] discussion you know can we use more

[1:24:39] enforcement can can you know we have

[1:24:41] more or less restrictions to your point

[1:24:43] I don't know you know that's I don't

[1:24:47] know go ahead please I think that some I

[1:24:50] mean I you know I mean I think about

[1:24:52] some of the streets um like brandy wine

[1:24:55] or you know mcen I

[1:24:57] mean the parking is crazy and it's

[1:25:00] really difficult so I think related to

[1:25:01] the previous discussion about traffic

[1:25:04] control and and speeding I mean I think

[1:25:06] some of those things have must come into

[1:25:08] the into consideration as well in terms

[1:25:11] of where the signage is and I I can

[1:25:13] think you know just driving around the

[1:25:15] city and having to park in a lot of

[1:25:17] different areas um where it might be

[1:25:19] time in a lot of areas it's alternate

[1:25:22] side based on the days of the week

[1:25:24] Monday Wednesday Friday versus you know

[1:25:26] Tuesday Thursday Saturday um it's you

[1:25:29] know I'm I would think that maybe it has

[1:25:32] to do with traffic um what's the word

[1:25:34] I'm uh

[1:25:37] call the number the numbers of cars the

[1:25:40] congestion congestion on the streets as

[1:25:42] well um so there is that the uh parking

[1:25:45] enforcement officers drive around

[1:25:47] obviously they um they have different

[1:25:49] zones that they all go to and they

[1:25:50] switch them up daily or regularly and

[1:25:52] also during the day if somebody calls

[1:25:53] him with a parking complaint during the

[1:25:55] day they're dispatched automatically so

[1:25:57] if somebody calls in and says that

[1:25:58] there's a parking multiple cars here uh

[1:26:01] we had four civilians now we're down to

[1:26:03] two so we're hopefully get they back up

[1:26:05] um they will drive around and they'll go

[1:26:08] right there and issue the ticket right

[1:26:09] then and there so that's besides their

[1:26:12] normal Patrol they they do respond to

[1:26:14] the areas people call and complain dur

[1:26:16] the

[1:26:18] day go ahead quick question so um I I

[1:26:21] imagine it's definitely Chief Clifford's

[1:26:23] call Will we be be able to if if

[1:26:25] interested Shadow around that

[1:26:28] perspective job like the ticketing oh

[1:26:30] absolutely yeah absolutely y got right

[1:26:33] now they're working you know days Monday

[1:26:35] through Friday and uh if there's

[1:26:37] somebody's interested absolutely say

[1:26:40] ride a

[1:26:41] bike yeah just C they ride a bike some

[1:26:46] of do so we have the one off mainly

[1:26:48] rides the bike downtown and they're also

[1:26:50] in a car that's Park parking enforcement

[1:26:52] as well how I can use the electric bike

[1:26:55] yeah AB we actually have an electric bik

[1:26:57] for parking for we do so are you saying

[1:26:59] that we can get a breakdown um by labor

[1:27:02] I supect yeah I don't think

[1:27:05] there's uh the only thing that may be

[1:27:08] labor intensive is depending on how I I

[1:27:10] may have to run we may have to run data

[1:27:13] by street right instead of just my

[1:27:16] neighborhood but I'm sure exist yeah if

[1:27:20] we want that how far back do we want to

[1:27:21] go I will say 6 months okay yeah because

[1:27:25] it's going to take a lot of time going

[1:27:26] to be taking up to do that 6 months 3

[1:27:28] months I think I think do a

[1:27:33] year be a lot of work entire year with

[1:27:36] 6,000 we want to use the same data set

[1:27:39] that we're using for projections you

[1:27:42] want to do the

[1:27:43] same this is 831 23 to 991 of 24 with

[1:27:48] that data Let's do let's do this the

[1:27:50] same report here this is one we can move

[1:27:52] forward ready go ahead please so just

[1:27:55] because it's important that we have

[1:27:56] Clarity around these issues I think that

[1:27:58] like so um and I appreciate like I don't

[1:28:00] know exactly why they you know put signs

[1:28:02] in places and I'm sure that well I I

[1:28:05] would give the benefit of the doubt to

[1:28:07] say that when some of these signs and

[1:28:09] regulations um were put in place that

[1:28:11] they were done so in good faith I um I

[1:28:14] definitely would assume that um our Law

[1:28:16] Enforcement Officers act in good faith

[1:28:18] when is issuing you know tickets uh so

[1:28:21] on and so forth um so that that idea is

[1:28:25] not an opposition to us um kind of

[1:28:29] looking at the impact of what we're of

[1:28:33] of what that enforcement looks like and

[1:28:36] just to be aware of how these things can

[1:28:40] perpetuate certain inequities throughout

[1:28:43] society and and and we're not

[1:28:45] disconnected we're not you know

[1:28:48] and that that includes us so again so

[1:28:50] the point I'm making is that there's no

[1:28:53] um

[1:28:55] intention around I'm not assigning any

[1:28:58] any intention to this but what I'm

[1:29:00] saying is that if we're not intentional

[1:29:02] about taking those measurements and kind

[1:29:05] of really asking ourselves the hard

[1:29:06] questions that no one likes to talk

[1:29:07] about but me a lot of time in PR life

[1:29:09] then we end up you know perpetuating

[1:29:11] something so just want to be really

[1:29:13] clear about that but I appreciate you

[1:29:14] work continuing through and the

[1:29:15] transparency thank any other question on

[1:29:17] this

[1:29:22] SL the next next one is some of our

[1:29:25] annual control fees well some of these

[1:29:27] are not through the police department

[1:29:30] it's through the clerk's office but it's

[1:29:31] we work very closely together in these

[1:29:33] so I'm including them in here in the

[1:29:35] presentation currently right now the

[1:29:37] city is charging

[1:29:40] $20.50 for a a dog license if they're

[1:29:43] altered 1350 if they're unaltered and

[1:29:46] then it goes down if you're a Senor or

[1:29:49] um older the surrounding towns and City

[1:29:55] we had Nuna is $20 for $30 Albany was 16

[1:29:59] and 23 and then Troy is 15 and

[1:30:02] 20 the r section is 114 and it's a

[1:30:08] little complicated as far as there's

[1:30:09] multiple layers multiple things that go

[1:30:11] into what the dog license fee is so I

[1:30:14] have it broken down here crossed out the

[1:30:17] dollar value and put the the new dollar

[1:30:19] value that's recommended in here the

[1:30:21] next slide will show you kind of what

[1:30:22] the bottom line is that just makes sense

[1:30:25] so that the the new fee recommendation

[1:30:29] would be uh $7.50 increase on the

[1:30:33] altered $750 cents on the unaltered and

[1:30:36] then $3 250 for the uh senior citizens

[1:30:41] and this would increase the revenue

[1:30:43] between $8 $10,000 per year it depends

[1:30:46] on if somebody order or pays for a one

[1:30:48] year twoyear or multi-year license so it

[1:30:51] could fluctuate a little bit but

[1:30:56] so Miss Michael this align with your C

[1:30:58] for service it does it does

[1:31:02] yes so who gets those fees with where is

[1:31:05] the

[1:31:06] actual City it goes to the Clark's

[1:31:09] office is that correct it gets deposit

[1:31:13] into the general fund well you take in

[1:31:16] your office take in we take it in yes

[1:31:18] get positive to the general

[1:31:21] one goad see special amount of anim

[1:31:25] licenses would

[1:31:26] not go to or shouldn't not go to

[1:31:30] the of the police du to like the forcing

[1:31:34] that that the way how it's written is

[1:31:38] like directed to the cl's office but

[1:31:40] it's kind of like enforced by the police

[1:31:44] department Sam you can you can explain

[1:31:46] more about how the enforcement started

[1:31:49] oh have yeah the Animal Control Officers

[1:31:52] when they do go out or they

[1:31:55] unlicensed animal you know the the uh

[1:31:59] dog is then taken to mov Hudson main

[1:32:02] society there's a Redemption fee

[1:32:04] involved and also then they have to

[1:32:06] license their their

[1:32:09] pet that's the police

[1:32:12] component but the the they come to your

[1:32:15] office to do the licing to my office to

[1:32:16] do all

[1:32:18] that I believe that's like different all

[1:32:21] talented things that I saw went to the

[1:32:23] clerk's office

[1:32:24] for the

[1:32:26] Fe

[1:32:28] Drive uh just a question mran I

[1:32:32] appreciate your uh background also I

[1:32:34] needed could we discuss potentially

[1:32:37] expanding the senior citizen category to

[1:32:39] include like medically cified positions

[1:32:41] in which someone needs a service animal

[1:32:43] and then also potentially like service

[1:32:44] members where like it's Improvement to

[1:32:47] like assist in their integration back

[1:32:49] into society I think that's already in

[1:32:52] code that those areas are already

[1:32:54] exempt I'm looking ahead at the next

[1:32:57] slide and I'm I'm wondering about the

[1:33:00] exemptions that are being taken away so

[1:33:04] so there it's it is in the code I was

[1:33:06] looking to remove it actually yeah

[1:33:08] they're removing it that that's it's

[1:33:11] it's already in the code right now aen

[1:33:13] Market's law says that a m municipality

[1:33:16] May exempt an animal but then uh the

[1:33:20] American Disability Act has changed it

[1:33:24] so you cannot ask for documentation you

[1:33:26] can only ask two questions and we're

[1:33:28] getting customers coming in um refusing

[1:33:31] to provide answers provide

[1:33:35] documentation um just making it so much

[1:33:38] more

[1:33:40] difficult the the Americans with

[1:33:41] Disabilities acts have very limited uh

[1:33:45] regulations as as as the city clerk has

[1:33:47] pointed out what sort of questions you

[1:33:50] can ask and they're very limited in

[1:33:52] scope two for the for the federal RS so

[1:33:58] um it's it's what what the council wants

[1:34:01] to do whether they want to you know what

[1:34:03] I'm seeing up there is five is being

[1:34:05] deleted it's what that's a poliy

[1:34:07] decision for you all to make that policy

[1:34:10] decision if you want to

[1:34:12] uh continue with the exemptions or or or

[1:34:16] not s what is your

[1:34:19] recommendation my recommendation was

[1:34:21] removing reming our our ordinance covers

[1:34:26] every like service animal therapy animal

[1:34:28] everything like everything um but one we

[1:34:33] don't need to under Aon markets and two

[1:34:35] under Ada they say service

[1:34:39] animals and there's a differentiation

[1:34:41] between service and therapy but we we

[1:34:43] can't really differentiate based on the

[1:34:45] two

[1:34:47] questions go ahead please I I feel that

[1:34:51] servicing I I I like the exemption um

[1:34:55] for Veterans for service for service

[1:34:58] animals um therapy

[1:35:01] dogs well obviously the detection I mean

[1:35:05] those wouldn't be charged what's that it

[1:35:07] says detection so that must be like a

[1:35:09] police animal that's looking for drugs

[1:35:11] or something like that I mean I don't

[1:35:12] know why we wouldn't exemp that that's

[1:35:14] like an employee of the city practically

[1:35:17] um right I mean yes so if they lived in

[1:35:19] a city yes if there was a city employee

[1:35:21] that had the Poli like they would have

[1:35:23] to

[1:35:25] the pay the pay the $40 or the

[1:35:27] $28 we haven't had one in year is that

[1:35:31] in the city because the uh the animal

[1:35:34] with the police department stay with

[1:35:37] whoever the train is right right so they

[1:35:40] going to say you I know I get that

[1:35:44] but I just think those animals should be

[1:35:46] exempt remain ex from what I got from

[1:35:50] Miss mik who it wasn't like any bias it

[1:35:51] was just an inability to evalate with so

[1:35:54] that's causing administrative burden

[1:35:56] then I can be responsive to her office's

[1:36:00] needs as an alternative I believe there

[1:36:03] are funds available um to adult worth

[1:36:06] with to get funds for people who

[1:36:07] couldn't pay the convey the fee so if

[1:36:10] there was a hardship I don't know how

[1:36:12] many exemptions or on the sheets that I

[1:36:13] saw I think there was only like six or

[1:36:15] seven at for certain amount of months I

[1:36:18] looked at the data so if there was if

[1:36:20] those people couldn't for if he did

[1:36:21] decide to get rid of it and there was

[1:36:23] needed there are funds available for

[1:36:25] them to pay for so it doesn't stop you

[1:36:29] from giving exemption you still have the

[1:36:32] authority to give

[1:36:34] exemption if we remove it it you're

[1:36:36] removing it then the exemption done

[1:36:38] exemption

[1:36:39] right

[1:36:42] yeah I will say let's let's put this on

[1:36:45] hold and and go through the the process

[1:36:47] of the public hearing then we can say

[1:36:49] because the consant table is like we

[1:36:50] should keep that and I I think we should

[1:36:55] we should keep it the

[1:36:57] exemption unless we Define it a little

[1:37:00] bit as so what what is examp I I think

[1:37:04] if the clerk saying elmate and I say

[1:37:06] like making my position known hearing

[1:37:07] her response and there's a pot of money

[1:37:09] that this might can direct those

[1:37:11] individuals to I think it captures it

[1:37:12] it's a win okay all

[1:37:15] right but we do we need to put the

[1:37:19] legislation well it all depends I me if

[1:37:22] if okay we'll well you know if I can yes

[1:37:25] go we've been talking about parking fees

[1:37:28] and now dog fees so the go requirment

[1:37:31] inst to the city code also require

[1:37:33] public hearings regarding these two

[1:37:35] public hearings I would recommend since

[1:37:37] they're they're generating money for the

[1:37:40] city which will have an impact on the

[1:37:42] budget perhaps you would want to do

[1:37:44] these hearings at the same night you're

[1:37:46] doing a budget you don't have to but

[1:37:50] it's it's it's dealing with Revenue

[1:37:52] items that as you go through the rest of

[1:37:55] October you

[1:37:56] may use as you're making your

[1:37:59] projections and you're creating your

[1:38:01] budget and then after you have that

[1:38:04] public hearing then you have the budget

[1:38:07] being adopted and then you have the

[1:38:09] ordinances that need to be changed to

[1:38:11] conform with the amounts of fees that

[1:38:13] you increase this way it's all one one

[1:38:16] pro I'm just it's I'm just throwing that

[1:38:18] out for for for you all to consider that

[1:38:21] you would have the public hearing on

[1:38:22] that same because it's dealing with fees

[1:38:24] which will as you saw will have an

[1:38:27] impact on on the budget so that way it's

[1:38:30] in total and then the budget is dealt

[1:38:33] with and then uh depending on how you

[1:38:36] work on the budget you can amend the

[1:38:37] ordinance to conform with the budget so

[1:38:40] do we need two public hearings you would

[1:38:42] need two public hearings the reason

[1:38:43] being is because you're dealing sorry

[1:38:46] there's five I think for if you were go

[1:38:48] through change everything you want I

[1:38:50] think cuz I think they weren't quite

[1:38:52] certain about I'm I I think about what I

[1:38:55] think they weren't you weren't quite

[1:38:56] certain about the first part of the

[1:38:58] heing uh first part I'm just focusing on

[1:39:01] the uh the

[1:39:04] uh parking and now the dog dog parking

[1:39:09] it's not parking only we're all feast

[1:39:12] and then uh I think I think if for alarm

[1:39:15] fees I think you need more information

[1:39:17] regarding the false alarm Fe so I don't

[1:39:19] know if that's ready for a public

[1:39:20] hearing yet you may need to

[1:39:23] whether that's going to have a

[1:39:25] significant amount of Revenue I don't

[1:39:27] know but I mean you can

[1:39:30] always you can call for public hearings

[1:39:32] on all those items and then deal with

[1:39:35] that before the next your next committee

[1:39:38] cycle and then you know Mark everything

[1:39:41] up and then it will be ready for the

[1:39:42] public hearing and then you would have a

[1:39:44] draft

[1:39:46] ordinance I

[1:39:48] I hearing going on the same night for

[1:39:51] the every for the uh

[1:39:54] five public hearings oh there was the

[1:39:57] The False Alarm fees if you were to

[1:40:00] increase FAL alarm if you were if you

[1:40:02] were going to change what the uh false

[1:40:04] alarm definition was and if you're going

[1:40:07] to change the false alarm fees structure

[1:40:10] and then there was the parking findes

[1:40:12] the

[1:40:15] records and then the

[1:40:19] control oh the records also okay

[1:40:25] any that's the last slide no uh two more

[1:40:28] quick ones um so Mr M I want to make my

[1:40:30] point about exemptions I'm I'm in

[1:40:32] agreement with Miss um M Mike that they

[1:40:34] should be taken away because right now

[1:40:36] people don't have to answer any

[1:40:37] questions no that's okay yeah I'm fine

[1:40:40] with that I was thinking about you know

[1:40:42] but then there there's a part of money

[1:40:44] that can be used to help individual and

[1:40:47] those situation I'm and so so we're

[1:40:51] talking about five public hearings on

[1:40:53] night just be C night so five plus what

[1:40:57] you may want to do is the bigger items

[1:40:59] are the dog license fees and the parking

[1:41:02] fees the parking fees that you saw would

[1:41:04] generate a lot of Revenue if those fees

[1:41:06] were to go through so perhaps you just

[1:41:09] have the parking fees on the same night

[1:41:11] as the uh as the uh the budget heing

[1:41:15] because that's probably the most

[1:41:16] significant amount of money that I've

[1:41:19] saw I I recommend that you do all at the

[1:41:21] same time and get it over with I mean

[1:41:24] small they small public heing maybe

[1:41:26] you few people yeah my my bigger concern

[1:41:30] is like people know what they're going

[1:41:31] to be about there so many yeah cuz it

[1:41:33] can that's a lot that's a

[1:41:36] lot what does the next slide tell us

[1:41:39] what the total amount of money is can

[1:41:40] you scroll pleas no 8 to 10,000 a year

[1:41:44] for

[1:41:45] the depending on the year depending on

[1:41:48] if they're one two or three year renewal

[1:41:50] cycles and

[1:41:53] so we could still have the public

[1:41:54] hearing implemented it without I mean

[1:41:56] after the budget season yeah this yes

[1:41:58] we're going to pass it and it's going to

[1:42:00] take effect January first so we have

[1:42:02] enough time to to send to a PA out there

[1:42:05] and and let people know that hey this is

[1:42:07] what's going to happen but ask U

[1:42:10] Michelle so to kind put it on the

[1:42:11] website so people know that January 1st

[1:42:14] these changes are coming into

[1:42:16] place cuz that's not a huge budget

[1:42:18] impact it's no it's not a huge bud just

[1:42:20] something that we need to address these

[1:42:22] small little things

[1:42:26] next two next this is this is a very

[1:42:28] quick one uh we do have grant money and

[1:42:30] we also have uh money in C and you guys

[1:42:34] provide us with capital funding in the

[1:42:36] past um so we are looking to do a new

[1:42:38] canel facility in the city and when we

[1:42:41] do do that there will be options for

[1:42:43] more more Revenue that may or may not

[1:42:46] require some assistance from you guys

[1:42:47] and helping us do that but uh right now

[1:42:50] if we get a new facility we can look to

[1:42:53] least k space other municipalities who

[1:42:55] are having trouble post trainings

[1:42:58] there's a lot that we'd like to do

[1:42:59] that's another hour or something so do

[1:43:01] that and then look into the countywide

[1:43:04] agreement instead of having just a city

[1:43:05] be involved there's other people that

[1:43:07] would like to be part of our agreement

[1:43:09] but uh they're more or less locked out

[1:43:11] of the agreement so possibly we could

[1:43:14] look to expand it countywide with that

[1:43:16] and the last one uh is I know that the

[1:43:19] council gave the mayor the option to

[1:43:22] look at Kias rates didn't change those

[1:43:24] they were last changed in 2020 and I

[1:43:27] recommend at some point a group looks at

[1:43:30] those fees to see if they're still in

[1:43:32] line with what they should be is that an

[1:43:35] engineer is that an engineer

[1:43:38] thing yes

[1:43:40] so yes engineering engineering helps set

[1:43:43] the set the initial fees so I don't know

[1:43:45] I don't know how the initial fee

[1:43:46] structure was set um I have the initial

[1:43:49] fee I have what they are today um they

[1:43:51] have a change since 2020 but some to

[1:43:53] think about looking at and seeing if it

[1:43:55] uh they should be updated don't and we

[1:43:59] whenever we update paring we have to

[1:44:01] coordinate

[1:44:03] natural we we'll get we'll get to

[1:44:07] you okay that's the last slide that's it

[1:44:11] that's it any other

[1:44:14] questions no so if we were to move for

[1:44:17] this we need to call for a public

[1:44:18] hearing and I think it's like three

[1:44:20] public hearing because we're not doing

[1:44:22] with parking right

[1:44:24] that we have to follow on the

[1:44:25] engineering and we're not touching on

[1:44:26] that and remote

[1:44:30] control is that correct so we need to

[1:44:32] call for public hear false

[1:44:35] alarm public hearing for the parking

[1:44:39] fines we're not doing a parking Ms we

[1:44:42] don't have the RS and Animal Control

[1:44:45] feeds free public and the

[1:44:48] records and record yeah records oh yeah

[1:44:52] sorry record it's not records false kns

[1:44:57] records animal right go

[1:45:02] ahead I thought waiting for the feedback

[1:45:05] of other municipalities for the false

[1:45:10] alarms so I have written down I'm going

[1:45:12] to come back I'll email out what the

[1:45:14] bills were versus what was paid and what

[1:45:17] other municipalities are charging for

[1:45:18] their false alarm fees so that's my one

[1:45:21] takeaway my other takeaway is the the

[1:45:23] one year same data set that we use up

[1:45:25] layer of zones for parking okay that's

[1:45:28] the any other information we need from

[1:45:31] assistant I think that that's what we're

[1:45:33] asking from here so we need to call for

[1:45:36] call for public heing for records call

[1:45:38] for public hearing for the alarm false

[1:45:41] alarm we need to call for public hearing

[1:45:44] parking finds and we need to call for

[1:45:47] public hearing and Animal Control

[1:45:49] Fe go ahead please C can't call for

[1:45:53] public area if we're still looking at

[1:45:55] adjusting language right so no we're not

[1:45:57] adjusting the just is we just asking for

[1:46:00] backup false alarm I was looking for

[1:46:03] more context that increase the rates but

[1:46:05] we're trying to identify what rates and

[1:46:08] getting a off on that one so we we can

[1:46:11] hold off on that one the false alarm

[1:46:13] right so it's records so what I do we

[1:46:16] proceed to call for public hearing for

[1:46:18] the

[1:46:19] records October

[1:46:21] 15 and I have a motion second all in

[1:46:25] favor I so we'll skip the false alarm

[1:46:28] and wait on the backup

[1:46:31] documents I call for public hearing on

[1:46:33] the parking findes for October

[1:46:36] 15th are we going to wait for that too

[1:46:39] and wait for the information that we

[1:46:40] talk

[1:46:41] about well that we have the backup he's

[1:46:44] just going to spread it out for us in

[1:46:46] more detail and we'll have that before

[1:46:47] the

[1:46:49] 15th so this is calling and setting the

[1:46:52] public hear

[1:46:54] we have almost a month to get that

[1:47:00] information Yeahs you have another

[1:47:03] committee meeting between we have one we

[1:47:06] still have a committee me a committee

[1:47:08] meeting so you can pass it maybe final

[1:47:11] version that that evening and still be

[1:47:14] in time for the public

[1:47:17] hearing we still have

[1:47:19] things think going back to the false

[1:47:21] alarms trying to leverage our time now

[1:47:24] do we call it and then in between that

[1:47:26] we still have time to adjust it yeah

[1:47:27] that's exactly yeah cuz we still have

[1:47:30] almost a month to get that information

[1:47:32] and I'm pretty sure we get that in a

[1:47:34] week or two from PD and that will give

[1:47:36] us enough time to kind like two weeks

[1:47:38] out to kind of like review it internally

[1:47:41] between ourselves and then the public

[1:47:42] hearing is on the 15th let's listen to

[1:47:45] the public we came back come back to the

[1:47:46] table and we can like iron it out on the

[1:47:50] power so I so are you saying that you

[1:47:52] think that we should have the public

[1:47:53] hearing on the 15th for the F LA are you

[1:47:56] asking in terms of timing in terms of

[1:47:58] timing yes is that your question my

[1:48:00] question was if we're doing that in

[1:48:02] similar context with like another area I

[1:48:05] just want to make it known I I very much

[1:48:07] want to increase the rates for the false

[1:48:09] alarms it's just identifying what rates

[1:48:11] there are so if we're trying to like

[1:48:13] hedge time I we will we will uh word the

[1:48:17] uh word the public hearing notice that

[1:48:19] they calling for an increase in the

[1:48:20] public amendment that of that particular

[1:48:22] part of code calling for an increase in

[1:48:24] the uh in the fine amounts so that would

[1:48:28] be what the public will be on notice for

[1:48:30] then the legislation

[1:48:33] follow and then we look at the other

[1:48:36] municipality we'll come back to the

[1:48:38] council I will Shar to the council have

[1:48:41] assistant and chief Shar to the council

[1:48:43] other the municipality really they have

[1:48:44] for false

[1:48:46] alarm

[1:48:47] okay so we did got through with the

[1:48:51] called public hearing for the records so

[1:48:52] we can we can proceed to call for a

[1:48:54] public hearing on the false alarm fee

[1:48:56] for October

[1:48:59] 15th so second second all in favor I and

[1:49:03] then we'll call for public Hearing in

[1:49:05] October the 15th for parking fine

[1:49:08] fees second all in favor I and then

[1:49:12] we'll call for public hearing and the

[1:49:13] animal control fee October

[1:49:17] 15 so uh so moved second second all in

[1:49:20] favor I thank

[1:49:24] you well we we'll get to work and we'll

[1:49:26] provide all the information that is

[1:49:28] needed there's a hand waving in the air

[1:49:30] back there what are we

[1:49:33] doing no we we'll have a meeting with

[1:49:35] you regards to the

[1:49:37] K unless you ready to go no I'm just

[1:49:41] getting yeah I just want we we'll

[1:49:43] provide all the information that was

[1:49:45] asked and to the console so that we can

[1:49:48] uh proceed with this in a timely

[1:49:50] manner the next it

[1:49:56] review collecting feedback from City

[1:49:58] residents on our cdbg SL CV funding to

[1:50:02] prevent prepare for and respond to

[1:50:04] Corona virus

[1:50:07] projects um there a public hearing was

[1:50:09] held on the

[1:50:12] 9th

[1:50:16] hereon are there any questions there

[1:50:18] were no um speakers there were no

[1:50:21] speakers are there any questions comment

[1:50:23] on

[1:50:26] is we need to we need to move so I have

[1:50:28] a motion to to to move this

[1:50:36] resolution can I have a

[1:50:39] second closing out this matter it would

[1:50:42] be a motion to closing out the public

[1:50:44] hearing with there was no comments and

[1:50:46] the report will go forward to the uh uh

[1:50:51] the agency that's was just hear what the

[1:50:53] motion would be yeah it would be a

[1:50:55] motion to close out the public hearing

[1:50:57] and and you know send the report to the

[1:51:00] federal agency responsible for this

[1:51:02] funding okay think did you Mo and I'll

[1:51:06] second all in favor any other business

[1:51:09] or Finance motion to

[1:51:11] adjourn second all in favor I I'd like

[1:51:15] to call to order uh City development and

[1:51:17] planning there are 10 items on the

[1:51:19] agenda and I will would like to add a

[1:51:21] couple more ceremony with resolutions

[1:51:23] just so you're aware um Mr Wallin here

[1:51:26] so the first item is the award bid

[1:51:28] contract for the City Mall ventilation

[1:51:40] replacement uh so the first award bidden

[1:51:42] contract we have is for like it says

[1:51:44] City Hall ventilation replacement there

[1:51:46] are two bids for this one is an

[1:51:49] electrical one is a mechanical we did

[1:51:51] the electrical

[1:51:53] several weeks ago mechanically we didn't

[1:51:55] get a bid because some labeling we did

[1:51:57] come back out put out a bid and received

[1:51:59] a low bid from R&B mechanical um the

[1:52:03] second bid was considerably higher from

[1:52:06] Hecker we did talk with R&B mechanical

[1:52:08] we have done a lot of work with R&B

[1:52:10] mechanical and they are confident in

[1:52:12] their number so we are confident in them

[1:52:15] and we're recommending to move

[1:52:19] for any questions concerns move this

[1:52:22] second all those in favor I I uh item

[1:52:25] number two awarding bid contract for the

[1:52:27] watt Street and car Street Park

[1:52:28] improvements of cargo construction Mr

[1:52:31] Wallen um this is a we're calling it a W

[1:52:33] Street Safety project um it's a project

[1:52:36] we've been working with the members of

[1:52:37] the Congressional Gates of Heaven

[1:52:39] Cemetery committee um because of the

[1:52:42] unique configuration of watch Street the

[1:52:45] fence has been hit multiple times uh

[1:52:48] over the course of the history of the

[1:52:50] cemetery uh they've asked City to try to

[1:52:53] mitigate that um so what we have is

[1:52:56] we've designed a uh di rail system with

[1:53:00] Chevrons we're looking to possibly

[1:53:01] install a couple of solar power light up

[1:53:04] Chevrons cuz uh a lot of these do happen

[1:53:06] at night uh where it is a you know

[1:53:09] geometry that we're not looking to have

[1:53:11] uh very unique in the area um and this

[1:53:14] also have a a modified driveway and then

[1:53:17] we are also working with uh the carer

[1:53:19] street park and trying to work with the

[1:53:22] people people there to pick away at

[1:53:24] their master plan um a little bit at a

[1:53:27] time this will extend their sidewalk to

[1:53:30] the basketball court do a little

[1:53:32] connection and then pour some pads so

[1:53:34] that they can install some benches

[1:53:36] around the area that's

[1:53:38] great any questions concerns a motion

[1:53:42] second all those in

[1:53:44] favor thank you and item number excuse

[1:53:47] me award bidden contract for dis connect

[1:53:49] fire station number one h h back and

[1:53:53] Generator upgrades uh so similar to the

[1:53:57] City Hall of ventilation this was uh the

[1:54:00] GC portion of a four bid wicka project

[1:54:04] we already awarded three the mechanical

[1:54:07] the electrical and the plumbing we did

[1:54:08] have a hard time finding a GC we were

[1:54:11] able to um call a couple of people and

[1:54:15] get them to bid the low bid is MJG

[1:54:18] construction we have not worked with

[1:54:20] them they are relatively local of bson

[1:54:23] spa we did call we have references they

[1:54:25] have worked with the county and they

[1:54:26] have worked with um a couple of the sub

[1:54:30] other main contractors on the project

[1:54:32] which is how they were called and

[1:54:34] referenced so um with all that said we

[1:54:38] we were comfortable that they understand

[1:54:39] the job and be able to work uh with the

[1:54:41] other groups that are here they is

[1:54:44] significantly corre lower than y this

[1:54:48] uh this work is for the GC on this

[1:54:51] particular job is is

[1:54:53] not too too labor it's a it's a lot of

[1:54:57] repairing ceiling tiles and penetrations

[1:55:00] and things the majority of the work I

[1:55:01] mean if you were look at if you had all

[1:55:03] the bids in front of you the hbac work

[1:55:05] is actually $1.3 million that's the HC

[1:55:09] that's the bulk of the work I don't even

[1:55:11] know if the plumbing component is small

[1:55:13] the electric component is small GC is

[1:55:15] small it's really H job which is why

[1:55:18] we're having a hard time going and I

[1:55:20] would also think that um because the

[1:55:23] contractors know that this was the third

[1:55:25] bik at the Apple that they probably you

[1:55:29] know increased a little bit knowing that

[1:55:32] the city was in a pinch uh and this

[1:55:34] contractor possibly not as much but um

[1:55:37] like I say we we have faith in our

[1:55:39] references and the people that we talk

[1:55:40] to and we're looking forward to

[1:55:42] working thank you questions comments

[1:55:45] come with this second all in

[1:55:48] favor thank you thank you Mr w

[1:55:53] uh so the um next one is just is a

[1:55:57] ceremonial resolution recognizing Breast

[1:56:00] Cancer month which is October something

[1:56:02] we generally try to do every year uh

[1:56:05] entertain a motion second all in favor

[1:56:09] and the next ceremonial resolution we

[1:56:11] all received an email from Business and

[1:56:13] Professional women asking for actually

[1:56:16] they ask for Proclamation but we do

[1:56:18] resolution so um putting forth to do a

[1:56:20] resolution for the woman who's being

[1:56:21] honored for woman of the

[1:56:23] year uh what's her name Jennifer

[1:56:26] Hendrick fog so con a motion so second

[1:56:30] all in

[1:56:31] favor item number six is a reminder of

[1:56:34] the ceremony raming of a portion of

[1:56:36] Barrett Street from here on street to

[1:56:38] the intersection of South Avenue to

[1:56:40] Marling Hill way there was a public

[1:56:41] hearing held on oh excuse me the public

[1:56:44] hearing will be held on

[1:56:46] 923 Mr L no that's all right thank you

[1:56:50] just a reminder public hearing is uh

[1:56:52] next Monday 7 p.m. okay thank you and I

[1:56:56] would like to ask the uh council's

[1:56:58] Indulgence to um forward a couple more

[1:57:02] um resolutions I just actually came

[1:57:03] forward one of them if you read

[1:57:05] yesterday's paper there's a young man

[1:57:08] who currently resides in our our city uh

[1:57:10] James Jak Thomas who's been inducted

[1:57:13] into the Hall of Fame as we speak uh so

[1:57:16] I wanted to be able to recognize him

[1:57:18] with the ceremonial

[1:57:20] resolution so second all in

[1:57:24] favor and then additionally also this

[1:57:26] weekend I was U um someone reached out

[1:57:29] to me September is suicide prevention

[1:57:31] month but for whatever reason they're

[1:57:33] not having their walk until October 6th

[1:57:36] so um called and wanted to and it's

[1:57:38] their 10y year anniversary of their walk

[1:57:40] in the city of skincity so um and this

[1:57:43] would actually be presented at the walk

[1:57:45] so um just asking for a motion on this

[1:57:49] resolution that second all in favor

[1:57:53] thank you madam president since you're

[1:57:54] adding here I think we all missed that

[1:57:56] Hispanic heras month is celebrated um

[1:58:00] September 15th to October 15th so I

[1:58:02] would like to ask that we add that also

[1:58:04] and you you'll reach out for somebody to

[1:58:05] come because we having that issue since

[1:58:07] we're adding you know let's not leave

[1:58:09] anybody out so I would like to ask for a

[1:58:12] CR for Hispanic Heritage

[1:58:15] Month second all those in

[1:58:18] favor okay uh the remainder of the items

[1:58:21] are are in executive session for

[1:58:24] property

[1:58:26] sales so I entertain a motion to go an

[1:58:29] executive session move second all in

[1:58:31] favor we're in executive session members

[1:58:33] of the public will have to leave

[1:58:40] [Music]

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