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All
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right, I'll call this meeting of the
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board of selectment to order. It's 601.
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We'll start with the pledge of
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>> allegiance.
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Algiance to the flag of the United
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States of America and to the republic
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for which it stands, one nation under
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God, indivisible, with liberty and
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justice for all.
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>> All right.
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Um
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>> well it seems that uh the person I was
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expecting isn't quite here. So
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>> Oh, I'd just like to take a quick moment
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to tell the people at home the reason I
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wasn't at the last two meetings is
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because I had a very sick family member
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and they needed medical intervention. So
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I apologize for that and uh I we will
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address some of the issues at those
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meetings another time. Thank you.
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>> And we are short Rachel and Joe. So
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>> we are unfortunately
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>> we are going to do a little bit of an a
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bridge version but anyways
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uh you want to hop right into new
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business Peter what do you think
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>> right so
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>> do appointments
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>> you'll have appointments at your next
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meeting everybody remains in holdover
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status but what you do have in front of
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you are the recommended appointments for
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the police department if you want to
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deal with those this evening and their
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three and one-year terms of the
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individuals uh put forth by chief cooper
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So, I see nothing here surprising and I
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would be comfortable making the
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appointment.
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>> Um, the only thing I'm curious on, you
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know, is
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during the their last appointments, what
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kind of um
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different classes have they taken,
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certifications have they gotten? I I
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just would like to know a little bit
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more. That would be great.
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You want to table that till the next uh
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meeting. And
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>> I don't have a problem with I I trust
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Chief Coup's um
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>> we can
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>> professionalism and being a department
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head and I think if there was anything
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that was a flag he would have addressed
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it or held their appointment. So
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>> So just for clarification too I think
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the fire is um because we have a strong
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chief these are already appointed.
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They're already appointed. This is more
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of a formality.
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>> Correct. So this this we can just kind
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of take a vote and and recommend or
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appoint. I mean we're not really
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appointing anybody. So
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>> just continue on.
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>> You would be appointing the police.
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>> No, I know,
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>> but you're not appointing the fire
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department.
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>> I was just taking the easy one off the
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table by saying that one's kind of a
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given. So
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>> I um we we can ask is certifications
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pertaining to post or
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>> Yeah. uh cons well concerning everything
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with the police department because I
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know there were some issues where
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certifications for all staff had or most
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of the staff even the chief had fallen
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out of compliance at one point in very
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recent history and um I just want to
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know that everybody is all set and just
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I know faith is a great thing but fact
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is better.
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>> Did you have a conversation with the
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chief on these appointments?
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uh just that he's recommending these and
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it's the team that he's got and uh I
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didn't get into what Kristen's
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>> and this isn't the whole team, but I
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mean the names I recognize on here are
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usually pretty good. So
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>> yeah.
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» So can I can I make a motion? Are you
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comfortable or do you want to hold?
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>> I'm I'm not, but that's you're the
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chair.
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>> So if we hold it, it just goes into hold
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over status.
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>> Yes.
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>> For next meeting.
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>> Yeah. Agenda, are you comfortable?
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>> I'm comfortable voting. Yep.
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>> All right. I'm I'm going to make the
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motion to appoint. Do we have to
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announce the names? How do you want to
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do this? Can we just
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>> Patrolman Keith Lanigan, three-year term
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expiring 2029. Patrolman Mark Morris,
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three-year term expiring in 2029.
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Patrolman Jonathan Schuman, one-year
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term expiring 2027. Patrolman Edward
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Delarm, one-year term expiring 2027.
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Patrolman Paul Gurin, one-year term
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expiring 2027. Patrolman Henry uh
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Politakis, one-year term expiring 2027.
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Uh my apologies for hacking those names
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if any of those are misspoken. Looking
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for a second.
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>> Second.
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>> Take a vote.
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>> Nay.
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>> I
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>> Okay, so that passes two to one.
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>> And if for any reason something is out
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of compliance that they would be
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>> Well, no.
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>> Yeah. Well, I'm just saying the chief
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would remove them from schedule until
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those things are cleared up. didn't
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happen in the past
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>> at all.
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>> So, Peter, would you mind just circling
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back with the chief?
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>> I sure will.
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>> Okay, I sure will.
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>> Um, and do you need a motion um for
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these folks in the fire department or is
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this information you're comfortable?
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>> Just information.
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>> So, we're done with this.
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>> Okay, great.
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>> Okay.
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Consideration approval of the one day
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liquor license for Earth Ltd. So, we got
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to take a vote on this, didn't we?
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>> No, that's this a separate date. It's a
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one-day liquor license for a separate
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date July 2nd. All the same materials
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have been updated. So, the one I signed
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this morning was the 11th,
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>> like the 15th or 11th, something like
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that.
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>> Okay. This is a second. Okay.
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>> Yes.
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>> And uh they provide certifications. I
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went through the paperwork.
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>> Yes. It's all
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>> I'm comfortable.
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>> Same as last time. Yeah.
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>> Yep.
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>> Make a motion to approve the um one day
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liquor license for Earth LTV on July
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2nd, 2026.
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>> Second.
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>> I'll give it to you. No,
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>> I'll second that motion.
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>> I'll take a vote. Kristen
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>> I Jen
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>> I
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>> There we go. So, we can sign that.
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>> Okay.
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» All three of you might as well sign it.
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>> And uh I'm going to print because I have
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a doctor signature. I only play one on
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TV.
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>> Okay.
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» Are you going to table approvals or do
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we have to do that?
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>> Yes, I have nothing further on that. Um,
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so that would be the last date to do it
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is your your July 13th meeting if there
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are any.
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>> So there's none at this time.
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>> There are none at this time.
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>> Okay.
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>> Um, I was thinking we would table the
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BOS policies and procedures.
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>> Okay.
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>> So we have a full board.
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>> Mhm.
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>> Was that a split that I provided good?
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And you know you wanted a I'm just doing
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1 through 11. So the
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>> it was ma very manageable.
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>> Okay. Good.
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>> What is this 1 through 11? of the uh of
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the bylaws p sorry policy and procedures
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policy just so you're not doing all of
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them at once.
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>> Yep. So we review one through 11 then
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we'll talk about it. We'll come back
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with a full board.
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>> Oh that would be lovely because I have
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some notes on that and I'd love to
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share.
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>> Sure. So we'll talk about 1 through 11
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and uh we'll table it for this.
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>> That sounds fantastic.
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>> Um
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>> oh business uh mees water status update.
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So, I have an update from James Lions
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from D. Um, I talked to him last week
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and Mass D issued activation approval to
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activate and start pilot testing as we
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know and that was on 220 of 26. Uh, the
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treatment addition included total
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organic carbon removal of the PFAS
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removal. uh the system was put into
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service and the consultant and operator
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Mccclure engineering started collecting
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data. Now we don't have the most recent
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data report that's been compiled per the
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last time I talked to James. So we are
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just waiting you know the data has been
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collected. It just hasn't been compiled
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completely yet and we should get that I
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would assume in the next week maybe
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slightly. Uh on 414 of course everybody
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knows the consultant Mccclure
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Engineering sent an email indicating
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they intended to lower the chlorine
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levels going into the green sand filters
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in order to try to reduce the formation
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of disinfection byproducts. We the D
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responded by stating that they had
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concerns about lowering the chlorine
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levels as this has a historically caused
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iron and manganese removal filters to
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not work properly. Uh water becomes
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discolored.
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Uh D asked that they please contact the
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manufacturer of the total organic carbon
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uh remove a filter system and see if it
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may be possible to relocate this filter
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to before the point of disinfection and
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add a prefilter to pro to protect the
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TOC.
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And that filter if it's protected
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there's reason for the request that the
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TOC is traditionally removed before the
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water is disinfected as the TOC and the
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chlorine are what cause the formation of
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disinfection byproducts. the minimal
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amount of pilot data that they have
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received show that disinfection
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byproducts were forming immediately
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after disinfection and that the current
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location of TOC filter downstream of
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disinfection was not adequately reducing
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the disinfection byproducts. this issue
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was raised in the permit process that
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they um had sent to the manufacturer of
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the TOC filter but the consultant
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indicated that the filter manufacturer
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was confident this setup would work. So
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they did ask that once the consultant
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had discussed the issue with the TOC
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filter manufacturer to please reach out
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to their office to discuss. uh they have
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received no response for that and they
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have followed up on different occasions
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with that. So I think where we're at now
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is they're not receiving breakthrough.
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Uh they are receiving a little bit of
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that chlorination. Um but these are not
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uh nothing seems to be bad levels at
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this point. A lot of the issues are
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resolved. M
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>> I talked to James a little bit about the
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prospect long term and it seems that
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everybody's of the same mind that
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long-term we probably would switch to
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just drilling a new well and that's
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something that in my opinion I think the
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board should deeply consider uh we do
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have that grant and funding in place. we
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might want to get ahead of this
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>> and I I think we do have town land if
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we're still own it that's abuing that
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property and in that area there's
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historically to the best of my knowledge
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no no no information that I've ever
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heard of where those wells had issues um
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we could work with the D and site that
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property I talked to James would that be
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a possibility he said absolutely and
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that you know we have that grant in
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process and that may be something that
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town of Millville should consider
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>> and we have to write a scope of work for
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that and go with the bid even though
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it's a grant right
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>> well it's grant is funding it there's
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plenty of money to do that well and
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Mccclure has
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>> been communicating with D on that
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process and the commencement of that
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process because they think you know that
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they're still going back and forth as
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Kristen say on says on
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>> where to locate the TOC filter versus
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where They have it today. They have not
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had I've not had to issue any
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non-compliance
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uh report so far, but uh because they've
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been managing it for the you know the
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water that's ultimately coming out of
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the system. Under the pilot study, they
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do test the water at different other
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spots within the system
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>> and it indic you know it may indicate
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that they've exceeded an MCL within but
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it's then treated before it goes out
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into the
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>> correct. So as it comes into the green
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uh pardon me the sand filters and then
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it goes to the green sand filter there
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is a point of testing before the first
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green sand filter. Then between the next
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that green sand filter and the next
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there's another point of testing. And
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then finally at the end of both green
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sand filters there's a third point of
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testing. So when you have breakthrough
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through the first filter if it were to
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occur it would be in that middle testing
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site and you'd be able to discern that
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prior to exceeding the capacity of the
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second green sand filter. So you would
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never get a breach within the system and
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you'd never get full breakthrough that
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would come to the tap water. And so
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that's the logic behind all that
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testing.
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>> So by overcllorinating though, don't you
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place the green sand in jeopardy? You
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have to change it.
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>> You do. So that what James was speaking
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of is to put the initial chloration
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really before the first sand filters be
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well before the green sand filters. So
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um that would actually stop and start
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Those sand filters would help break up
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some of the chlorination. They do the
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job. They capture some of that
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chlorination, reduce the amount that
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travels downstream to the green sand
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filters, making them more effective and
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less problems on the outside.
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>> All right. And the last quarter last
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quarter was passing, Peter.
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>> Yeah. I've not had to issue any reports
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and they tell me pretty quickly when
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it's time.
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>> Okay.
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>> So, we're we're still good.
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>> I don't have any more questions. You
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good?
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>> Yeah.
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>> All right.
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uh high school update. You want to table
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that since Rachel's not here or unless
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you have an update.
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>> She did give me an update, right? Um so
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I I'm happy to read that. Pretty pretty
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good one. Um she said that there, you
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know, they at their last meeting of the
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school building committee, there was
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more refining of the building design
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with some more solid estimates. They're
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looking at 154 million for construction
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hard costs for the project. Those costs
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do not include the soft costs, and she
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mentions furniture, legal fees, and
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consulting fees. There's also a look at
[13:40]
add-ons and alternate addition costs,
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including a separate out building with
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bathrooms, lockers, and concessions that
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would cost 2.3 million. Football
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bleachers at 600K, sports lighting at
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1.8 million. And those costs would have
[13:56]
to be funded completely by the towns. It
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would not be covered under the MSBA
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grant. The um 154 does not include a
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contingency and typically that would be
[14:06]
around 10% or an additional 15 million.
[14:09]
The uh range of MSBA reimbursement on
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those costs that are covered by them
[14:15]
would be around 59 to 65%.
[14:18]
Again, not on the total cost of the
[14:20]
project. They'll cover about 130,000
[14:23]
square feet of the building, but
[14:24]
currently the proposed building is at
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151,000 square feet. So there's 21,000
[14:30]
square feet outside of the MSBA funding.
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>> Um, and one of the reasons uh largely
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due to uh having the seventh grade
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academic wing, which reportedly the
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teachers weren't in favor of the 7 to 12
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grade design. They're more in favor of
[14:47]
the 8 to 12 and Rachel wanted that to be
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mentioned.
[14:50]
>> Um, they're looking to have a vote in
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November on the ballot. I I believe it
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also has to be at a special town
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meeting. Right. Um, and there's another
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meeting this coming Wednesday,
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uh, 5:00 pm, and the school building
[15:06]
committee will be voting to submit the
[15:08]
current design package for the MSBA. I
[15:10]
did ask Rachel if there was any estimate
[15:13]
of cost per 100K. They that's still not
[15:16]
available. So, uh, you know, 100K
[15:19]
evaluation, if you will.
[15:20]
>> Cool. So,
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>> you kind of have to have your schematic
[15:24]
>> schematic. Thank you. schematic design
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um approved and that's what's going for
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them and then that will drive the next
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those will drive the numbers
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>> um so to put numbers out there it they
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could change and that they want the
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information that goes out there to be
[15:38]
the accurate um information and so the
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>> the ballot because you have to vote at
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town meeting and on ballot because both
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towns obviously it's a state election
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>> to get it on the ballot they know the
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deadlines they know the information um
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they'll work with the town clerks to get
[15:53]
it so that a separate separate election
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doesn't need to be held um in both
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communities.
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>> Great.
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>> So speaking of that, actually squirrel
[16:01]
moment here. Um June 30th, the
[16:04]
appointment for the town clerk was until
[16:05]
that point and we don't have a meeting
[16:06]
between now and then. So
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>> So she would be in holdover status and
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she would be returning
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her note that says she wants to be
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appointed. Okay. So she plans to okay
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>> seek reappointment by you. Um, and so
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all of the parties are in holdover
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status. It's taken a while to get all
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the records coordinated so that letters
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could go out. They went out last week to
[16:30]
ask folks if they want to re-up and then
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from there you'll see a schedule that
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says okay so and so to be reappointed.
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>> I said want to be left without a town
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clerk.
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>> No, we won't. And uh part of the
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negotiation of
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her includes the the space in the old
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town hall that we'll be
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>> she'll be getting.
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>> Ah okay.
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>> Okay.
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>> Uh the essentials office.
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>> Yes.
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>> All right.
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Uh old town hall repair reuse. So before
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that I also had you have in there the
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MSBA letter sorry
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>> has information on this uh regarding the
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um Maloney school which is being taken
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out of service for educational purposes
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by the town of Blackstone. And so what's
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left is some amount of funding due back
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to MSBA uh 27,000 approximately. Right.
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And what MSBA in this letter that's in
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your packets is saying that they would
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add that cost or they would reduce the
[17:31]
amount that they would reimburse on the
[17:33]
high school project. So the only thing I
[17:35]
would point out is the 207 is a
[17:39]
Blackstone cost
[17:40]
>> but by reducing the reimbursement on the
[17:43]
high school project it then becomes a
[17:46]
reduction in reimbursement for Milville.
[17:48]
So Mil Mill would be paying for
[17:50]
>> indirectly
[17:51]
>> 25% of that cost indirectly.
[17:53]
>> So indirectly. Yeah.
[17:54]
>> So that's something to think about how
[17:56]
you want to
[17:57]
>> maybe consider dealing with that.
[18:00]
>> I think we definitely have to.
[18:01]
>> Yes.
[18:02]
>> We we should talk about it. Yeah. I I
[18:04]
thought
[18:04]
>> we owe zero
[18:05]
>> correct
[18:06]
>> is what we owe. And so we're not going
[18:07]
to owe a third of or a quarter of
[18:10]
>> 207.
[18:11]
>> Yeah. 207. So that's going to have to be
[18:13]
a conversation we have with the district
[18:15]
in Blackstone.
[18:16]
>> Yeah. What is their logic behind us
[18:18]
owing a quarter
[18:20]
of of that? It
[18:22]
>> Well, they're just using, you know, in
[18:24]
other words, MSBA says, "Okay, the
[18:26]
district owes us this back."
[18:27]
>> Sure.
[18:28]
>> And I think they're the way they look
[18:30]
must look at is independent of the lease
[18:32]
agreements the town ha each town has.
[18:35]
Okay.
[18:35]
>> For the buildings each town owns, which
[18:37]
would be the elementary schools. So,
[18:39]
>> they may not be aware of that fact.
[18:42]
>> Yeah. that those buildings were owned
[18:44]
separately and and drived separately
[18:46]
prior to our joint agreement. And so,
[18:48]
yeah,
[18:48]
>> even though the school takes out the
[18:50]
loan
[18:51]
>> through MSBA,
[18:53]
>> um it's kind of within the community
[18:56]
that it's housed in is is paying that
[18:58]
loan back
[18:59]
>> loan holders. Yeah.
[19:00]
>> Um so, when I say a quarter to a third,
[19:03]
that's our enrollment. That's our piece
[19:05]
of the budget.
[19:06]
>> I figured that's where that number. So
[19:07]
when I say like I mean really this is
[19:09]
Blackstone's loan that that the school
[19:12]
manages through MSBA.
[19:14]
>> Yeah.
[19:14]
>> But we we our name besides being part of
[19:17]
the regional district shouldn't be on
[19:18]
there.
[19:19]
>> Right.
[19:19]
>> Yeah. I was hoping to have a guest star
[19:21]
tonight to at least clarify some of
[19:23]
those points but we didn't have
[19:25]
somebody. So but my understanding was
[19:28]
the initial costs were not going to be
[19:30]
uh formed by Milville. But if they're
[19:32]
going to be in effect in an indirect
[19:34]
way, then
[19:35]
>> out of
[19:36]
>> we need to have further discussions.
[19:37]
Yeah.
[19:38]
>> Yep.
[19:38]
>> So, I just want to point that out from
[19:40]
that.
[19:40]
>> I again I thought we'd have some
[19:42]
clarification, but maybe at a future
[19:44]
meeting.
[19:45]
>> Okay.
[19:47]
>> All right. So, we've uh we've killed
[19:49]
that for now.
[19:50]
>> Town hall.
[19:51]
Yeah.
[19:52]
>> Let's talk about that.
[19:54]
>> Yeah.
[19:54]
>> Town hall. Yeah. So, uh
[19:56]
>> the assessor's office.
[19:58]
>> I'm sorry.
[19:59]
>> He yelled something about the assessor
[20:00]
office. office. The first I heard about
[20:02]
that information.
[20:03]
>> Yeah. The first he's hearing about cuz I
[20:05]
was just going to ask um if the people
[20:08]
everyone who has space, are they getting
[20:10]
equal space at the next place? Cuz you
[20:13]
get accustomed to what you're living in.
[20:15]
Yeah. And
[20:16]
>> and so is everybody's space equal? Like
[20:20]
>> I think there's a planagram, right? That
[20:22]
>> Yeah. So we've been working through
[20:24]
that, right? And it's still in a bit of
[20:26]
flux. And so we've had movers come in
[20:29]
and remove.
[20:32]
There's my guest star.
[20:34]
>> Do you want to do you want to backtrack
[20:36]
real quick or
[20:37]
>> do you mind
[20:38]
>> before we open that discussion? Hey Dan,
[20:40]
>> Mr. Keith, do you mind coming up? I I
[20:41]
was holding this for you. So
[20:44]
>> we were hoping to just clarify uh the
[20:48]
JFK Maloney School. Um
[20:50]
>> Yes.
[20:51]
>> And so before you walked in, Peter was
[20:54]
um just telling me uh I'm Russell.
[20:57]
>> No, you win.
[20:59]
>> You'd win.
[21:00]
>> So, our understanding is that the
[21:01]
initial cost would be worn by
[21:03]
Blackstone, but that there may be an
[21:04]
impact to the MSBA loan.
[21:06]
>> So, I just shared that letter that's in
[21:07]
the board's packet, right?
[21:09]
>> Yes. What you received and the MSBA was
[21:11]
so No. Yes. The letter is accurate. So,
[21:14]
the town of Blackstone's full intent
[21:17]
is to pay that off.
[21:18]
>> So, it had no effect on the upcoming
[21:21]
>> school project.
[21:22]
>> Yes.
[21:22]
>> So, you're going to pay that in front.
[21:24]
Okay.
[21:24]
>> Yeah. That was part of the town meeting
[21:25]
vote on the 1.5 million.
[21:27]
>> Yeah.
[21:28]
>> Okay.
[21:29]
I thought that was kind of the case, but
[21:31]
I I was hoping you could clarify that,
[21:32]
but then when Peter presented that, I
[21:34]
wasn't sure. So,
[21:34]
>> yeah. So, and so article I think it was
[21:36]
articles 8, nine, and 10 or somewhere
[21:38]
around there. So, those are all town
[21:40]
articles and those were all re and so I
[21:43]
know that may have been Mr. Finn was a
[21:45]
little concerned that I was speaking on
[21:46]
behalf of the district. That was
[21:48]
completely all town related. So, when I
[21:50]
said we will be would be on the hook, I
[21:52]
meant the town of Blackstone. It's tough
[21:53]
when you have many hats.
[21:54]
>> Well, yeah. I was figured it would be
[21:57]
pretty clear that we was a town meeting.
[21:59]
>> Yeah. In
[22:00]
>> Blackstone Town related, but Yeah.
[22:01]
>> Yeah. So, and it's been it's been um
[22:04]
stated plenty of times in the uh select
[22:07]
men's meeting in Blackstone and in the
[22:09]
school committee that the town's
[22:11]
>> burden alone.
[22:12]
>> Okay.
[22:13]
>> Yeah. And so there's no um so we did get
[22:17]
the uh our payoff on it just while while
[22:19]
I'm here. Uh the town's payoff on the
[22:22]
MSBA portion is 26,000.
[22:24]
>> Okay.
[22:25]
>> And we had 129,000
[22:28]
uh left over the next up until 2029
[22:32]
anyhow to pay. So that was it's all so
[22:34]
it's all covered.
[22:35]
>> Gotcha. Okay.
[22:36]
>> So we're waiting on the next steps to
[22:39]
hear back from MSBA. Then this will go
[22:42]
still goes in front of the school
[22:43]
committee and things like that. So the
[22:45]
town meeting and vote is essentially to
[22:46]
get all the provisions in place. The
[22:48]
first two articles were legal ease of
[22:50]
removing it from the lease part and the
[22:53]
second part was
[22:56]
um well first one I think was separating
[22:58]
the building. Second part was removing
[23:00]
that portion of it from the lease.
[23:02]
>> Okay.
[23:02]
>> And the third part was for funding for
[23:05]
retrofitting.
[23:07]
>> Makes that makes sense to me. Anybody
[23:09]
have any questions about that?
[23:10]
>> No.
[23:10]
>> And it's going to be paid off before the
[23:12]
um school building project goes forward.
[23:15]
>> Yes. Yes. So he doesn't have any however
[23:18]
we would like to pay it off. However,
[23:20]
the MSBA sets it up, but we're very
[23:23]
clear that so
[23:25]
the superintendent is setting up is
[23:27]
attempting to set up a call. So we have
[23:30]
to respond. I think it in the letter is
[23:31]
June 25th and
[23:33]
>> and so the superintendent has a response
[23:37]
ready
[23:38]
>> um that it has no impact on the current
[23:42]
um ongoing building proposal. uh for the
[23:46]
high school.
[23:48]
Um it's just a matter of
[23:51]
the um technicality of how how we pay it
[23:54]
off. We will the town of Blackstoneone
[23:57]
can pay that off um as of June 1, July
[24:00]
1st. It's we have authorization to pay
[24:03]
that off as of July 1st. I think the
[24:05]
date on that was for July 5th. The the
[24:07]
actually the payoff
[24:10]
amount is from July 15, 2025.
[24:14]
H
[24:15]
number so they went back to last July
[24:18]
and we're not debating that because that
[24:20]
building was empty in July 15th of 2025.
[24:24]
So we're not argu we it came in under
[24:27]
what we expected for the payoff anyhow.
[24:29]
So,
[24:30]
>> and moving forward, um we'll have
[24:32]
conversations
[24:34]
um
[24:36]
based on this, you know, based on the
[24:37]
square footage because there's heating
[24:40]
and um electrical costs that Milville
[24:43]
pays a portion to through the district
[24:45]
that we want to make sure that Milville
[24:47]
is not paying
[24:49]
>> at all, you know, and that's the town of
[24:50]
Blackstone doesn't want we own we'll own
[24:53]
that that obligation. So it may start
[24:56]
off as
[24:58]
a base with an agreement with the town
[25:00]
of Milville based on a formula of square
[25:02]
footage until we can get some type of
[25:03]
meat because unfortunately there's not two electrical meters
[25:07]
there's one
[25:07]
>> separation is not clean.
[25:09]
>> Yeah and and and so but we will ensure
[25:12]
that
[25:13]
>> can you submeter that? I so we are
[25:16]
looking into that now um
[25:18]
>> to get a better um uh reading on I guess
[25:24]
without anything else the fairest way is
[25:26]
like what's the building operating under
[25:28]
based on square footage we've taken this
[25:31]
square footage back
[25:32]
>> but we'll we'll try to quickly get a um
[25:35]
>> yeah if you separate the if you can see
[25:37]
the separation of the services before it
[25:39]
enters the main you can just put a
[25:41]
submeter on that and those will
[25:43]
digitally calculate
[25:45]
you know, in real time. So, we're
[25:47]
actually separated instead of because
[25:49]
you could use more power one place or
[25:51]
the other and and that would be then
[25:53]
offset by us paying, you know, by
[25:57]
percentage of square foot instead. This
[25:59]
would be a true separation through
[26:00]
submarine.
[26:01]
>> That's the goal.
[26:01]
>> Yeah, I like that.
[26:02]
>> And yes, that was one of the first
[26:04]
things uh we looked into as well as um
[26:09]
>> the um you know, some of it some of
[26:11]
those rooms will have mini splits and
[26:13]
things like that. So we'll be offsetting
[26:14]
even the the the heating system coming
[26:17]
in. So but in in the meanwhile we I my
[26:22]
thought and I think I may have mentioned
[26:24]
this to you is um whatever that offset
[26:27]
is that Blackstone is paying I'd like
[26:30]
the town of Milville to see that monthly
[26:32]
or whatever when the bills are being
[26:33]
paid so that you see that you're not
[26:35]
paying uh that that that cost is being
[26:38]
borne by the entirely by the town of
[26:40]
Blackstone.
[26:40]
>> That' be great. Thank you.
[26:41]
>> That's great to have clarity. Thank you
[26:43]
for that. That's that's really being
[26:45]
upfront. Thank you.
[26:46]
>> Thank you for swinging by unless Okay.
[26:47]
Hate making you come all this way.
[26:48]
Unless you have anything else you want
[26:49]
to add.
[26:50]
>> I don't think I do.
[26:52]
>> Still want to arm wrestle though, do
[26:54]
you?
[26:54]
>> I mean, we'll save it. It's been a long
[26:56]
day.
[26:57]
>> Well, listen, actually, I got to pause
[26:59]
you. I mean, we did have a UF UFC fight
[27:01]
on the White House line. I mean, we
[27:03]
could potentially do this.
[27:04]
Extraordinary.
[27:04]
>> I mean, it's not on the agenda, but I
[27:06]
mean, we could do it.
[27:07]
>> Things not anticipated.
[27:08]
>> I tell you, I'm 48 hours a meeting.
[27:10]
>> I'm really not interested. who
[27:12]
anticipated
[27:12]
>> hurt me more than I can hurt anybody
[27:14]
else.
[27:15]
>> He is a strong guy, you know. So,
[27:16]
>> yeah, I don't think is going to cover
[27:19]
that, Dan. I think you're
[27:20]
>> want to hurt me and I don't want to hurt
[27:21]
him.
[27:22]
>> All right.
[27:24]
>> And yeah, that's um I think that's all I had.
[27:28]
>> Um Oh, and we um the Millville Water.
[27:32]
I'm not asking for an update on it, but
[27:34]
we I'm on an email with a resident that
[27:37]
is looking for um updates in uh through the school
[27:42]
district. Um and so if um
[27:47]
you are are you the point person?
[27:49]
>> I I am. Yeah.
[27:50]
>> All right. So if I we can we just attach
[27:52]
that stuff and send it.
[27:54]
>> So I've asked I've asked Mccclure to
[27:56]
summarize it because that attaching that
[27:58]
stuff there's a ton of stuff. I've asked
[28:01]
them to put a summary together
[28:03]
>> and to be able to, you know, provide
[28:05]
that information based on Kristen had
[28:07]
sent that over from the residents. So,
[28:09]
I'm waiting on Mccclure
[28:11]
>> to uh address that. Frankly,
[28:14]
>> I would prefer like and anyone asking
[28:17]
for water updates
[28:18]
>> instead of going through the school,
[28:20]
they should probably just go right to
[28:21]
you guys are the water. Yeah. So, so if
[28:24]
there's no objection like I I don't
[28:26]
think the school should be
[28:28]
>> giving what we have no problem posting
[28:31]
stuff on the website,
[28:32]
>> but but I I
[28:33]
>> haven't talked to the experts.
[28:34]
>> I want Mccclure to provide the summary
[28:37]
information for you all as well, right?
[28:39]
So, it' be the same info and we we're
[28:42]
happy to give it. I don't have that yet.
[28:44]
those of us who have shallower lives
[28:46]
that watch our each other's meetings and
[28:48]
stuff, right, are up to are up to speed
[28:51]
on the water stuff, you know, and and so
[28:54]
um
[28:54]
>> is that can we post that on our town
[28:57]
website? Water information uh you know,
[29:00]
a summary and with dates for each
[29:04]
update. That way anybody from either
[29:06]
town can quickly go on and find it.
[29:08]
>> Yeah. So we have
[29:10]
>> we haven't had anything recent, you
[29:12]
know, but that would be the type of
[29:13]
information that would go on the section
[29:15]
of the website that we have a ton of
[29:17]
water information
[29:19]
>> currently you know but I don't have the
[29:21]
summary of the latest pilot test
[29:24]
>> right
[29:24]
>> data which is voluminous
[29:28]
>> right there's a lot
[29:30]
>> summary because they're testing here
[29:31]
there everywhere every day you know to
[29:35]
be compliant yeah I mean they're still
[29:36]
they're testing actual part the the
[29:38]
water that's being trucked in as well,
[29:39]
right? I mean, through different
[29:41]
>> They did previously.
[29:42]
>> Yeah. So, it's it's so it's there's a
[29:45]
lot of
[29:45]
>> It was skewed, but it's we're past that
[29:47]
now, right?
[29:47]
>> We are. We are. It's not local.
[29:49]
>> You're on the pilot plan. you you may be
[29:51]
drilling a new well, you may not.
[29:52]
There's a lot of things in that. So it's
[29:55]
>> it's um
[29:56]
>> but I wanted a summary from Mccclure
[29:58]
which addressed some of the things that
[30:00]
you know uh we're Kristen updated
[30:03]
earlier you know that says hey we're
[30:06]
>> we're dealing with D on the location of
[30:08]
this and the way we treat this and geez
[30:11]
the you know we're tweaking the chlorine
[30:13]
and
[30:14]
>> PAS results are this and
[30:17]
>> disinfection byproducts are this
[30:21]
>> people should know you're also
[30:22]
potentially getting ahead the PAS with
[30:24]
this project.
[30:25]
>> Oh, I think so. Yeah, for sure.
[30:27]
>> We just did a $10 million water
[30:30]
filtration system and it's we're
[30:32]
probably going to have to put another
[30:33]
four or five into that to deal with the
[30:36]
upcoming PAS regulations.
[30:38]
>> I have to start selling lemonade over
[30:39]
there in Blackstone.
[30:40]
>> Have to do something. So,
[30:42]
>> well, thank you for coming.
[30:43]
>> All right. All right. Thank you for
[30:44]
having me.
[30:45]
>> Thank you.
[30:45]
>> Have a good evening. I promised I
[30:47]
wouldn't have you waiting.
[30:48]
>> No, thank you.
[30:51]
>> That door is locked, by the way.
[30:53]
Sorry.
[30:54]
>> But that wasn't
[30:56]
>> that was
[30:56]
>> that wasn't that was
[30:57]
>> that's usually bad.
[30:58]
>> Really?
[30:58]
>> You know what? Security we it's high
[31:00]
priority here. So,
[31:02]
>> thank you. Have a good night.
[31:03]
>> Thank you.
[31:06]
>> All right. Back to the old town hall.
[31:08]
>> Yes. So, there's still repairs uh going
[31:10]
on there. There's painting. There's
[31:12]
flooring upgrades. There's stuff like
[31:15]
that.
[31:15]
>> So, just to clarify, my joke about the
[31:17]
assessor's office was tongue and cheek.
[31:18]
not to be taken seriously, but I I
[31:20]
assure that Maggie has a planagram. I
[31:22]
have not taken uh I haven't looked at
[31:24]
it.
[31:25]
>> So,
[31:25]
>> I just want to make sure that the people
[31:27]
who have space, you know, if they have
[31:30]
five file cabinets here or four
[31:34]
cupboards and a desk and I
[31:36]
>> Yeah,
[31:37]
>> that's going to be difficult to
[31:40]
>> So, we think we
[31:40]
>> to to match. And if we do have to
[31:43]
downsize, then we should be downsizing
[31:45]
through everybody and not expecting one
[31:48]
or two departments to significantly
[31:50]
decrease their square footage.
[31:53]
>> Yeah. So, I don't think we're
[31:54]
necessarily doing that.
[31:58]
>> Tim disagrees.
[32:00]
>> I hear.
[32:02]
So, um, and we have movers that have
[32:06]
disassembled a row,
[32:08]
>> the planner and the assessor's row
[32:10]
>> to put into the big open space to make
[32:14]
sure it's in the right spot and we have
[32:16]
the right number of rows and the right
[32:18]
persons assigned to the spots in that
[32:22]
space. And I think we're pretty good in
[32:23]
terms of of that. Um, and then
[32:27]
separately we have some others that it
[32:29]
will only be the first floor that's open
[32:31]
because we have yet to get the elevator
[32:34]
sorted out in terms of what needs to be
[32:36]
done to get that operating. So, the
[32:39]
public will only have access to the
[32:41]
first floor.
[32:43]
>> There may be some other spots up uh you
[32:47]
know that folks will be upstairs for
[32:49]
example. Um,
[32:50]
>> what what's going on with the elevator?
[32:52]
I has anybody called an elevator?
[32:56]
>> We have Otis elevator come in I think
[32:58]
it's this week to
[32:59]
>> Thursday to see about uh what's going to
[33:02]
be involved in
[33:03]
>> reactivating that.
[33:05]
>> Yeah.
[33:05]
>> And that
[33:06]
>> we may find that that's pretty expensive
[33:08]
or it's not. We we don't know that yet.
[33:11]
Right. And if it's pretty expensive then
[33:14]
that's a future funding challenge for
[33:17]
the town. We're trying to do what we can
[33:19]
within essentially 400 grand that we
[33:22]
have available for this project and
[33:25]
we're we're doing that with what we've
[33:26]
got. Um
[33:28]
>> where are we within the scope of the
[33:30]
project? Where are we financially in
[33:34]
that 400 400,000?
[33:35]
>> So we have about I'm going to say 50
[33:38]
grand left to play with which we think
[33:40]
will cover some of the moving costs.
[33:42]
We'll cover some of the technology
[33:45]
connections and things like that. I
[33:46]
think it's 50 grand. I'm just
[33:48]
ballparking based on what we've probably
[33:50]
incurred from what we have. Um, so
[33:54]
again, there's repairs being done. You
[33:56]
know, Joe was in there three days this
[33:58]
weekend doing a lot of like flooring and
[34:01]
some uh, you know, final painting and
[34:04]
things like that.
[34:05]
>> I think we owe him a great
[34:07]
>> I keep telling him his name should go on
[34:09]
that building. He's unbelievable.
[34:10]
>> Really? If it wasn't for him, it it
[34:13]
never it would have been trashed.
[34:15]
>> Yeah. know
[34:15]
>> I mean it was really falling apart
[34:17]
literally.
[34:18]
>> Yeah. So it's uh so we're you know where
[34:22]
the you know the number of connections
[34:25]
coming out of the ceiling drops for
[34:28]
connecting someone's computer someone's
[34:30]
phone someone's printer that sort of
[34:32]
thing remains to you know still being
[34:35]
worked out with the the proper folks uh
[34:37]
including our Jack our electrical
[34:41]
inspector who's done some of the work so
[34:43]
far. So then there's a deep clean. Um we were over there today and we've
[34:49]
decided some of the rugs that we were
[34:52]
hoping to live with, we probably would
[34:54]
be better to put down some sort of
[34:57]
flooring, remove the rugs, put some
[34:59]
flooring down. It's it's fairly
[35:02]
inexpensive money that gives, you know,
[35:05]
gives the the place a bit a good look.
[35:07]
you know, the the ladies were not
[35:10]
thrilled with the way the lady's
[35:12]
restroom was. That's now been sorted
[35:15]
out, and so I think it gets the
[35:17]
>> at least it gets the Maggie seal of
[35:20]
approval, which is important. Um
[35:24]
>> um to circle back on the right size
[35:27]
office space for individuals.
[35:30]
>> Um
[35:32]
I don't want I want to make sure moving
[35:34]
forward through this that we're not
[35:36]
marginalizing any individual that
[35:39]
everybody has enough space for all their
[35:41]
equipment. And um are you finding any
[35:44]
challenges with that? Because I Hey Joe,
[35:48]
I am kind of concerned with just
[35:52]
everybody's got the ability to function.
[35:54]
Well, I I know it's it's an old
[35:56]
building, so it's not uh it's like it's
[35:59]
not going to be, you know, a square hole
[36:01]
in a round peg type thing.
[36:03]
>> Well, it's going to require folks to
[36:05]
have some flexibility and some of the
[36:09]
things will be sorted out even when we
[36:12]
get in there because we just,
[36:14]
>> you know, there's just so many
[36:15]
unforeseen things. But I think it it's
[36:18]
nearly ready for things to start moving
[36:21]
in. Folks have been starting to pack
[36:23]
things and um you know that's all good.
[36:27]
Uh great work. Again, Joe working his
[36:31]
tail off.
[36:31]
>> Peter, if somebody is having a problem,
[36:33]
would you keep the entire board a breast
[36:35]
of that and the details of it so
[36:38]
>> you know we can at least be considerate
[36:40]
and and responsive if if we have the
[36:43]
ability to do so. Um and and help
[36:48]
comfortable.
[36:48]
>> Yeah, I think Maggie's got a planagram
[36:50]
that she's been working on. Is that
[36:51]
correct?
[36:52]
>> It's in process. Changes every day. But
[36:55]
yes, that's the idea. We're working on
[36:56]
trying to identify exactly where
[36:58]
everyone's going to be located. And
[37:00]
>> um I think every time we look at it, we
[37:02]
make a few tweaks to it, but until we
[37:04]
start getting the furniture in there, I
[37:06]
think it's hard to really get a sense of
[37:08]
the space. But we're we're making
[37:10]
progress for sure. lots of file
[37:12]
cabinets, you know, and where they're
[37:13]
located,
[37:14]
>> things like that.
[37:15]
>> Are we using that basement ground floor
[37:18]
as well or
[37:19]
>> right now? No.
[37:20]
>> Okay. So, is that going to be future
[37:24]
space for town hall employees or
[37:26]
>> So, the intent of that space was for the
[37:28]
police department satellite operation
[37:30]
with ladies facilities, you know, female
[37:33]
facilities and so forth, but that's not
[37:36]
part of the funding that we have
[37:38]
available to do what we're doing right
[37:39]
now. So, Folks might have to come back
[37:42]
uh you know come back to
[37:44]
>> revisit that. Exactly. You know, we're
[37:46]
going to put in right now it has uh
[37:48]
we're going to need to get some air
[37:50]
condition window air conditioning units
[37:53]
um for the time being. Um
[37:56]
I don't know what else there is. Again,
[37:58]
Joe's
[37:59]
>> Oh, I had one final question. I'm so
[38:01]
sorry. That's all right.
[38:03]
>> There had been a big room to the right
[38:05]
at the top of the stairs and on the
[38:08]
second floor of course and um I remember
[38:11]
a long time ago um our historian Mr.
[38:14]
Berthallet had said he'd really like
[38:16]
that room to be able to make a like a
[38:20]
mini museum. Yeah. With displays and
[38:23]
>> he was asking me.
[38:24]
>> Is that still a possibility? I haven't
[38:26]
talked to him in years.
[38:27]
>> So that's not ready for move in for
[38:28]
that. Right. Okay. Okay. But that
[38:30]
because that there's still some work
[38:31]
that needs to happen with the ceilings
[38:33]
and that sort of thing. But that's where
[38:35]
the structural repairs for the roof were
[38:38]
>> done. Okay. And that is the whole the
[38:41]
game plan to have, you know, the
[38:43]
displays and so forth along the lines of
[38:45]
the museum. Separately up there is a
[38:47]
room
[38:49]
probably twothirds of the size of this
[38:51]
room which is like a training room or
[38:53]
meeting room. that's, you know, uh
[38:57]
there's no real plan for that other than
[38:59]
that's a great space to use for training
[39:02]
or meeting and so forth. So, uh but
[39:05]
again, not for the public at this stage
[39:08]
because we don't have the elevator
[39:10]
>> elevator. Peter, I hope
[39:12]
>> can can we stop this? Can we ask Tim? He
[39:14]
seems to have some commentary. So, do we
[39:16]
want to include him in this conversation
[39:19]
>> because um my patience is starting to
[39:20]
wear thin.
[39:22]
>> It's about out. I'll
[39:23]
>> stop. I promise.
[39:25]
Okay.
[39:26]
>> Okay.
[39:26]
>> Because if you got something to say,
[39:27]
we're more than welcome.
[39:28]
>> I emailed you all.
[39:29]
>> You emailed us all.
[39:31]
>> Yep.
[39:32]
>> Okay.
[39:32]
>> No response.
[39:34]
>> Well, we're in the middle of
[39:35]
discussions.
[39:37]
So,
[39:38]
>> okay.
[39:38]
>> Well, I just heard.
[39:40]
>> Okay. So, um I'm glad that the elevator
[39:43]
is going to be dealt with. I I would
[39:45]
like to see handicap accessible
[39:47]
throughout the whole building. I think
[39:48]
that's essential. and that one space you
[39:51]
said uh that's like a meeting room
[39:53]
that's a little bit bigger. I I hope
[39:56]
that you and Maggie in your
[39:57]
consideration of space if anybody does
[40:00]
feel that they're not able to fully
[40:02]
function within the space they're
[40:04]
allotted that perhaps that or a portion
[40:07]
of that space could be considered um for
[40:10]
their use because I I really don't want
[40:12]
to see people marginalized.
[40:13]
>> I understand that. I don't think there's
[40:15]
any intent of that. Uh there are, you
[40:17]
know, there are also offices up there
[40:19]
and semi cubicles outside those offices
[40:22]
which are actually great spaces, but
[40:25]
again not open to the public. Okay.
[40:27]
>> Correct. Yeah.
[40:28]
>> Um separately the window grant, right?
[40:31]
We're we've been back and forth with the
[40:34]
folks on that thing.
[40:36]
>> Do you need help with Gloria on that?
[40:38]
>> Well, so here's where they're at. Okay.
[40:40]
Um they um we went out to bid twice on
[40:45]
that thing and got no response. We've
[40:48]
>> solicited chase people down. No
[40:50]
response. They've come back and said we
[40:53]
could, you know, hey, we thought, hey,
[40:55]
what if we just bought the windows?
[40:57]
Because nobody really wanted the 50
[40:59]
grand project of windows and
[41:02]
installation, you know, using under
[41:04]
prevailing wages. So, we asked about
[41:08]
buying the windows and installing them
[41:11]
ourselves at our leisure, right?
[41:13]
>> Mhm.
[41:14]
>> And
[41:16]
they came back with the caveat that the
[41:18]
if you install yourselves, you still got
[41:22]
to follow prevailing wages. Now, we
[41:24]
haven't closed the loop on that because
[41:25]
I would object to that. I haven't yet.
[41:28]
Uh but anyway, our deadline they you
[41:31]
know we look for an exp extension
[41:33]
that's
[41:35]
it it may not get us to where we need to
[41:37]
be.
[41:38]
>> Can I ask you because I I understand the
[41:40]
grant in what I wrote. So within it we
[41:44]
talked about the efficiency of a triple
[41:47]
glaze.
[41:48]
>> It did not the grant did not then
[41:50]
dictate that those windows had to be
[41:52]
triple glazed. we
[41:53]
>> you it would still meet, you know,
[41:57]
because we were talking about wind
[41:58]
flection and everything else and and
[42:00]
super efficiency. It still would be a
[42:02]
much better envelope if we had which is
[42:05]
fairly standard, a double glaze.
[42:08]
>> Um, is that what you're going out to
[42:09]
bid, a double or a triple?
[42:10]
>> No, triple. Because they would only let
[42:13]
us do the triple. We asked repeatedly,
[42:15]
>> do you want me to talk to them to try to
[42:18]
explain because they had trouble
[42:20]
understanding the physics behind the
[42:22]
windshare and the glass flexion for seal
[42:26]
and and efficiency and I had to explain
[42:29]
all that to them and the calculations.
[42:31]
>> I would be more than glad if you need
[42:33]
assistance to explain it to them again.
[42:36]
>> Okay.
[42:37]
>> And that it's not necessary. We're the
[42:39]
triple the triple glaze is really for
[42:42]
scenarios. We are not in Alaska. We are
[42:44]
not high on a mountain. This is not
[42:47]
Mount Washington. Um we are not on the
[42:49]
shoreline. Uh those are for different
[42:52]
scenarios. And yes, I did use those
[42:54]
calculations to talk about efficiency,
[42:57]
but it it's not what's governing this
[43:01]
and and the essence of this and and what
[43:03]
would make the most.
[43:04]
>> Right. So I the only other thing I'll
[43:06]
say I your help certainly is welcome. Um
[43:09]
I don't again because of the time frames
[43:12]
that were you know we've tried and tried without success and we tried
[43:17]
to get it removed from the triple pane
[43:20]
requirement. Couldn't do it. Um the only
[43:24]
other thing I'll say is if you look at
[43:25]
the windows they're actually pretty darn
[43:27]
good that are there. They've have been
[43:29]
replaced at some time in the past.
[43:31]
They're not perfect but they have been
[43:33]
replaced and they're double pained and
[43:35]
you know that sort of thing. You know,
[43:38]
Joe could probably talk better on the
[43:39]
windows than I can, but that's my
[43:42]
layman's approach is we're running out
[43:45]
of time on the grant. They won't extend
[43:47]
beyond the end of July. Our focus is on
[43:51]
getting out of here and in there and the
[43:54]
landlord's allowing us
[43:57]
through July, which is really wonderful.
[43:59]
Okay.
[44:00]
>> Um July 1st.
[44:02]
>> July 31st. Okay.
[44:04]
>> So, that's great because you know there
[44:06]
still is work to be done. Sure.
[44:07]
>> So, I I ask again, Peter, Richard, do
[44:12]
you want me to reach out to Gloria at
[44:14]
the state and talk to them about the
[44:16]
grant and try to find a a better
[44:18]
scenario if possible? I don't know. You
[44:21]
know, it's it's worth a shot since you
[44:23]
>> I think it's worth a shot. Absolutely.
[44:25]
From my perspective.
[44:25]
>> If you guys are okay with me doing that.
[44:27]
>> Is that all right, Jen?
[44:28]
>> Yep.
[44:29]
>> Okay,
[44:30]
>> that'd be great.
[44:31]
>> Then I'll do that.
[44:31]
>> Fantastic. Yeah. So, uh, just to kind of
[44:34]
close us out, my only other comment was
[44:36]
I know that the assessors have been
[44:38]
talking about some sort of a mainframe
[44:39]
or computer or cloud. Did that get
[44:42]
resolved?
[44:42]
>> Yes. So, we're on the cloud and but
[44:45]
we're also as part of our technology in
[44:48]
the town meeting vote.
[44:49]
>> We're getting a new server, right? So,
[44:51]
it's upgraded. It's
[44:53]
>> not 10 12 years old or whatever.
[44:55]
>> And you have space for it in this
[44:56]
building.
[44:57]
>> Well, there's a lot of space in that
[44:59]
building. And yes, we do. Yeah.
[45:00]
>> Okay.
[45:01]
So, I just want to make sure you
[45:02]
have enough room wherever it's going to
[45:04]
go. So, all right.
[45:06]
>> We have more space than we truly need,
[45:07]
you know, for the number of people.
[45:10]
>> I trust you. I trust Maggie's judgment.
[45:11]
I'm sure she's got a plan. Not putting
[45:13]
you on the carpet, but I'm sure there's
[45:14]
a planagram here somewhere and you guys
[45:15]
are still working through it. So,
[45:16]
>> with accessible
[45:19]
>> space.
[45:19]
>> Yeah.
[45:20]
>> Like you can't So, I'll just go on the
[45:22]
record. I will never drop a dime beyond
[45:25]
whatever whatever that grant is. Okay. I
[45:29]
totally disagree with the move back
[45:30]
there. I was part of the board that that
[45:33]
closed that down. Um the report, I don't
[45:36]
know if the report was ever seen, but
[45:38]
there's a stream that runs underneath
[45:40]
the town hall and that's why the
[45:42]
basement has had history of black mold
[45:44]
has been remedied years and years of
[45:48]
documents that was stored there. Um MIMA
[45:50]
used to be down there. they removed
[45:52]
their technology because of the
[45:53]
moisture. Um, the amount of
[45:56]
dehumidifiers over the years that have
[45:58]
been there, there was dehumidifiers
[45:59]
there in 1970 when I had speech down in
[46:03]
that back room. So, this is an ongoing
[46:06]
issue. Um, accessibility to the third
[46:09]
floor, air conditioning units. It's not
[46:12]
like you can say, "I'm going to go work
[46:14]
in my office on the second floor and put
[46:15]
an AC on and have it cool." that room.
[46:19]
Those rooms take numerous hours to cool
[46:22]
down. I don't believe in the move back
[46:25]
there. I I think the town should have
[46:27]
looked for other alternatives. Um I will
[46:30]
support everything going forward as part
[46:32]
of my responsibility.
[46:34]
>> But beyond a grant to fix anything, you
[46:36]
will always get a no vote from me. I
[46:38]
don't believe that we belong in that
[46:40]
building. I don't think our staff should
[46:42]
be in that building. I don't think it
[46:45]
meets the needs of our community. and
[46:47]
are operating daytoday. Um, so you know,
[46:52]
I sit here listening.
[46:53]
>> You know, that's a really some really
[46:55]
good comments. Can you give us all the
[46:57]
paperwork for that orile?
[46:59]
>> Yeah, direct Peter as to where to find
[47:01]
that paperwork and we like to review it.
[47:03]
I don't want to just talk about things
[47:06]
that we think or heard. I want to report
[47:09]
Nope. Great. I want to see the actual
[47:11]
reports. Peter, would you work with her
[47:13]
to find those reports? Maybe she can
[47:15]
give you some guidance.
[47:15]
>> We'll see what we can find. Yeah, that
[47:17]
would be
[47:17]
>> When did we move out of there anyways?
[47:20]
>> Uh 17
[47:23]
years. So we're almost Yeah, I think I'm
[47:25]
on 10 years. Yeah.
[47:26]
>> Okay. 10 years. 16.
[47:27]
>> Um do do we want any commentary from Joe
[47:30]
since I see you sitting here?
[47:31]
>> Might be helpful.
[47:31]
>> Sir, would you mind coming up? Do you
[47:33]
have any feedback?
[47:35]
>> Yeah. And Peter, I think um Jerry Finn
[47:36]
was on that committee.
[47:38]
>> Well, you guys did the study.
[47:40]
>> Thank you for coming in.
[47:42]
>> You might remember the exact dates. So,
[47:44]
you heard some concerns about
[47:46]
underground rivers and moisture and and
[47:48]
you have been the special municipal
[47:50]
employee here overseeing that and thank
[47:52]
you for doing that.
[47:53]
>> So, very much so.
[47:54]
>> Part of the problem down there, the
[47:55]
moisture was coming up from the where
[47:57]
you have a hand dug
[47:59]
section of that cellar.
[48:01]
>> Okay. Since we fixed the floor, what I
[48:03]
had them do is encapsulate that in
[48:05]
plastic. So, your moisture level that
[48:08]
used to be there dropped dramatically.
[48:11]
Okay.
[48:11]
>> Okay. I put a commercial I know there
[48:13]
was dehumidifiers I seen them all over.
[48:15]
I put a commercial one in there and I
[48:17]
had to sell it down to 50% humidity. So
[48:21]
to get that out of there my suggestion
[48:23]
would be to put a air exchanger in that
[48:25]
basement exchange air and get it moving
[48:28]
and I think it's going to take a lot of thing. I couldn't find a stream
[48:32]
that's there is a if you go in the back
[48:34]
of that wall down the back where the
[48:36]
kiln is.
[48:37]
>> Somebody made a French drain or
[48:40]
something. There's a sump back there.
[48:42]
>> So sump pump's not even working. So it's
[48:44]
like you might as well not even bother
[48:46]
having it if it's not going to be
[48:47]
>> functional. So if that's where the
[48:50]
water's coming from, but be honest with
[48:51]
you, I try to find a stream they're
[48:53]
talking about. I know that the gut is
[48:55]
coming down. They got to be rerooed at
[48:57]
the bottom. Put longer pipes, get it so
[48:59]
it doesn't drain next to the granite
[49:00]
foundation. That's going to help a lot,
[49:03]
you know, but it's just small stuff like
[49:04]
that. I think you're going to get a lot
[49:06]
of improvements on it.
[49:08]
>> Okay. Like I said, when we looked at the
[49:10]
building, there was no other options and
[49:11]
you guys had to leave here. So, you were
[49:13]
kind of like in a rock and a hard place.
[49:15]
>> So, it sounds like there's some things
[49:16]
here that we can get still get fixed.
[49:17]
>> Mitigate the issues. Yes.
[49:19]
>> Sure. Well, it sounds like you already
[49:21]
did quite a bit to fix the issue.
[49:23]
>> Well, like I said, it's it's an ongoing
[49:25]
project. I mean, you
[49:26]
>> It's a mountain. You've climbed that
[49:27]
mountain.
[49:27]
>> You'll get it. Thank you.
[49:28]
>> You know, I mean, you just got to stay
[49:30]
with it. You can't let the building just
[49:32]
go deep under carry. You know, no
[49:34]
maintenance on it. That's the worst
[49:36]
enemy.
[49:37]
>> It's had a good life. It should have
[49:38]
been torn down.
[49:39]
>> That's my opinion.
[49:41]
>> Yeah.
[49:42]
>> Well, I thought the same, but after
[49:44]
talking to you years ago,
[49:47]
>> engineer through the house,
[49:48]
>> he seemed to know better.
[49:49]
>> Go through the building.
[49:51]
>> Here's what you don't, you know, you
[49:53]
don't have to rip it down.
[49:55]
>> And the problem that you had there, they
[49:56]
saying rip it down. Okay. But you got to
[49:58]
remember everything there and the fire
[50:00]
department are all tied together.
[50:02]
>> So the water comes out of the police
[50:04]
department. The water comes out of there
[50:06]
to do that. the sewer. I would imagine
[50:09]
it's hooked in there somehow. So, that's
[50:11]
another consideration you got to look
[50:12]
at. It's like even if you were to sell
[50:14]
the building,
[50:15]
>> how do you cut those services now?
[50:17]
>> So,
[50:19]
>> yeah.
[50:19]
>> I mean, that's something that, you know,
[50:22]
>> Well, thank you very much for your hard
[50:23]
work.
[50:25]
>> Couldn't have done it without Joe. It
[50:26]
was unbelievable. I think you really
[50:28]
ought to think about naming it after
[50:29]
him.
[50:30]
>> I think we should.
[50:31]
>> He's like the I want the new building
[50:32]
after this, not this one.
[50:34]
>> I think we definitely should. And I did
[50:36]
look at the report that was out there
[50:37]
and this they wanted $2.5 million to do
[50:40]
renovations on it. They want to change
[50:41]
the floor space inside
[50:42]
>> 10 year old money
[50:43]
>> and then they were going to do5 $5
[50:45]
million to build you a new one
[50:47]
>> and then I looked at the report the
[50:49]
state did
[50:50]
>> and I'm saying I looked at it in the
[50:52]
beginning and I said this is not a big
[50:54]
deal you know.
[50:56]
>> Okay.
[50:57]
>> I mean I've done this stuff for a lot of
[50:59]
years so I I look at things different
[51:00]
from other people. So
[51:02]
>> we love you. That's just my uh
[51:05]
>> I don't take away from the efforts that
[51:06]
have been put forth by everyone trying
[51:08]
to make this happen. I just wouldn't
[51:10]
have voted in that that manner.
[51:12]
>> Well, we're kind of past all that now
[51:14]
and it sounds like you've overcome the
[51:16]
issues in
[51:17]
>> uh and it's it is impressive.
[51:20]
>> It is absolutely impressive and I think
[51:23]
we all very much appreciate you.
[51:25]
>> Thank you.
[51:26]
>> Extraordinary.
[51:29]
>> We appreciate it.
[51:30]
>> Thanks, Joe.
[51:31]
>> Thank you, Joe. Thank you for stopping
[51:32]
by even though you weren't planning on
[51:34]
speaking.
[51:35]
>> Yeah, I fig I'd stop and see what's
[51:36]
going on. Well,
[51:38]
>> could
[51:38]
>> when you get closer to the end on that
[51:40]
floor space and and plans, can
[51:44]
>> we have a a glance at it?
[51:46]
>> Sure.
[51:54]
» I
[51:59]
» not that. So for you to mark up
[52:02]
But you already have a good
[52:04]
>> Yeah,
[52:05]
>> we were talking about a planagram.
[52:06]
Everybody all the assignments in the
[52:07]
room.
[52:08]
>> This was a layout of a building.
[52:10]
>> So then you plug in what you want.
[52:12]
>> Yeah.
[52:13]
>> We give you scales.
[52:16]
>> Okay. Good. Have we killed that? We're
[52:18]
good.
[52:18]
>> I think we're good.
[52:19]
>> All right. Mees generator repair
[52:21]
replacement. So this is something that
[52:22]
we asked Peter for a month ago. He has
[52:25]
delivered. This is basically a scope of
[52:26]
work for repair replacement for the
[52:28]
generator um at the elementary school.
[52:31]
So hoping to go out and publish this and
[52:34]
see what we get.
[52:35]
>> That's right. So we and it's a
[52:36]
solicitation because it's a school
[52:38]
building and the range is 10 to 100
[52:41]
grand. So you solicit three.
[52:43]
>> We're going to go Yep. Okay.
[52:45]
>> And where do you post this?
[52:47]
>> And so we don't even have to post it. We
[52:49]
just But it will be on like this is
[52:51]
>> right
[52:52]
>> almost finalized draft, right? It needs
[52:54]
a little tweaking.
[52:55]
>> Are you sending this to companies?
[52:57]
>> So, we'll send it out. We'll be chasing
[52:58]
folks down for this. Yeah.
[53:00]
>> And you have a lead. You do have a lead
[53:01]
from Mr. Keef.
[53:02]
>> We do.
[53:02]
>> For us, we do.
[53:04]
>> Yeah. We have had some, you know, a
[53:05]
couple of people in one group came in.
[53:08]
We have yet to hear back from them who
[53:10]
looked at all of the options, including
[53:12]
replace.
[53:13]
>> Um, separately. Last week, we put in,
[53:16]
it's still being tweaked a little bit
[53:17]
right now, uh, for basically a FEMA
[53:20]
grant for the full replacement of the
[53:22]
generator. We worked with CMRPC on that.
[53:26]
um went in last week. It will be
[53:30]
two years before that ultimately is
[53:32]
realized, but there's a good shot at. So
[53:33]
the repair really makes sense. Repair,
[53:36]
replace of the generating piece. And
[53:38]
this was crafted up for me by Jack
[53:41]
Granga, who actually is in the business.
[53:44]
Okay. And I keep asking him if he would
[53:47]
bid on this thing himself. Um but
[53:51]
I'm not sure he wants to do that. He's
[53:53]
our electrical inspector, but he's a
[53:55]
generator expert, right? And so he did
[53:58]
review, you know, he went in there,
[53:59]
looked at the machine, and helped with
[54:01]
this based on the specs of what we're
[54:03]
looking to do. So,
[54:04]
>> perfect. Thank you. So, do you do you
[54:05]
know when you'll have a final draft and
[54:06]
ready to go?
[54:07]
>> Yeah, I think we're going to try to get
[54:08]
that out between now and next week.
[54:10]
>> Now, when the school closes, do we know
[54:13]
if they're returning the rental or if
[54:15]
they're going to going to continue in
[54:17]
>> I don't know that. I haven't I haven't
[54:19]
heard. Is the reverberator tower still
[54:22]
reliant on that backup generator or has
[54:25]
that received its own backup generator?
[54:27]
>> Oh, it is. So, that was part of this
[54:29]
grant that we did for FEMA, right, to
[54:31]
help sell it, if you will, right? Is
[54:33]
that the new uh communication tower is
[54:37]
dependent because it's hooked into the
[54:38]
school electricity as is the fire
[54:41]
department's 60,000galon
[54:44]
water tank, fire suppression for the
[54:47]
school.
[54:47]
>> So, we can't really And I would assume
[54:51]
we can't end that rental until we have a
[54:55]
repair andor replacement.
[54:57]
>> Just have to be aware that that's $5,000
[54:59]
per month.
[55:00]
>> 6,000. Yeah.
[55:01]
>> Yeah. Yeah. And it's Yeah. Mas is also
[55:04]
our um
[55:06]
>> emergency shelter for school and so
[55:08]
therefore having water running and
[55:10]
things of that sort if
[55:11]
>> you know tornado, bad storm, trees,
[55:13]
whatever, whatever.
[55:14]
>> Yeah.
[55:15]
>> So hopefully we'll get this sorted out
[55:17]
and out there. So, this will go out in
[55:18]
the next couple weeks.
[55:20]
>> Yeah. Within the next week or two. Yep.
[55:22]
>> All right.
[55:23]
>> And would you mind sending me a link to
[55:25]
this posting so I can
[55:25]
>> I sure will.
[55:26]
>> I just want to share with Dan. Make sure
[55:27]
everybody's on on board.
[55:28]
>> Yes.
[55:29]
>> All right. Great.
[55:32]
Departments. Uh Joe, do you have
[55:34]
anything you want to add or you're good?
[55:36]
>> I got nothing. You guys are good. Okay.
[55:38]
Public forum. Don't all stand up at
[55:41]
once.
[55:41]
>> I know.
[55:42]
>> Okay. Announcements.
[55:44]
>> Uh just uh let's see. Library. Um,
[55:47]
what's our date? The 15th. So, Wednesday
[55:50]
this week, June 17th at 4:30 p.m.
[55:52]
Creative Club at the library. Thursday,
[55:54]
June 25th at 6:30 p.m. book club
[55:57]
meeting. Saturday, June 27th,
[56:00]
Renaissance Jazz Trio Concert. Um,
[56:03]
senior center. Um, Thursday they have
[56:08]
five wishes. Aging with dignity,
[56:10]
advanced care planning, a lunch for
[56:12]
three bucks, and a COA meeting. Um they
[56:15]
have on Tuesdays line dance pitch and
[56:18]
chair yoga hand knee and foot cards on
[56:21]
next Wednesday. Uh next Thursday the
[56:24]
25th they have a movie remark remarkably
[56:26]
bright creatures lunch three bucks and
[56:29]
June birthday celebrations. On Monday
[56:32]
the 29th they have a craft class at
[56:34]
10:00 a.m. And also on Tuesday besides
[56:37]
line dance pitch is at 1:00 Tina's
[56:41]
retirement party. Ah,
[56:43]
>> so
[56:44]
>> what was the date on the retirement
[56:45]
party?
[56:45]
>> That's the 30th,
[56:47]
>> Tuesday.
[56:48]
>> Okay,
[56:50]
>> cool.
[56:51]
>> All right.
[56:52]
>> Um, correspondence.
[56:54]
>> Yeah, I was already You had that in the
[56:56]
MSBA thing. Yep.
[56:57]
>> Yeah. All right. Uh, minutes.
[57:00]
>> Uh, I have I'm told three drafts coming
[57:03]
quickly here, but I don't have them yet.
[57:05]
Okay.
[57:05]
>> Selectment reports.
[57:08]
>> So, I just have a couple items. Uh, town
[57:10]
report.
[57:12]
booklet. Is that available online or
[57:14]
>> only online?
[57:15]
Okay. Thank you.
[57:16]
>> Stop publishing it. Yeah.
[57:17]
>> Took that Yeah. budget away.
[57:20]
>> Um that $500.
[57:22]
>> Yes.
[57:22]
>> Yeah. Okay. Um
[57:26]
also, um on Saturday, the library
[57:29]
celebrated their 40th. Um you were
[57:31]
there. I was there.
[57:32]
>> I gave out a hug.
[57:33]
>> Oh, well, you're better than me. I'm
[57:35]
more like a cactus.
[57:36]
>> Couple couple handshakes, but I did give
[57:38]
out a hug. So, it was a very nice
[57:40]
>> Yeah,
[57:40]
>> very nice. It was a very nice event. Um
[57:43]
they did a very nice job with it and
[57:45]
it's nice to see that that department um
[57:48]
and the dedication of those members over
[57:50]
the years um how deep they go. So I was
[57:53]
it was a great celebratory event um
[57:56]
>> and it was well attended.
[57:58]
Um also just on my part um over the next
[58:02]
couple weeks month I'm going to just
[58:04]
make myself available to be attending um
[58:06]
board and department meetings. I'll be
[58:08]
having um some office hours here at the
[58:10]
town hall so that if any staff people
[58:13]
want to just come to talk to me. If
[58:15]
general public wants to talk to me, I'll
[58:16]
have some hours here. I'll have some at
[58:18]
the library. Um I've done this in the
[58:20]
past. Sometimes I have people, sometimes
[58:22]
I don't, but it's good that people have
[58:23]
a place that they can go and talk face
[58:25]
to face with someone. Um so I'll be
[58:28]
putting those out and I'll let you know,
[58:30]
too. Um but it's just something I've
[58:32]
done in the past and I now that my
[58:34]
school year is wrapping up and I have
[58:36]
some time on my plate. Um, I'll be
[58:38]
putting those out there for people. So,
[58:40]
that's it.
[58:42]
>> Cool.
[58:44]
>> Uh, town administrative report.
[58:47]
>> You, you two are all set. You're all
[58:49]
set. Yeah.
[58:50]
>> Uh, the only thing I wanted to say is
[58:52]
that in future meetings, I think we
[58:54]
should reuse the podium again for people
[58:57]
from the audience who want to come up
[58:58]
and talk. I think that was a great way
[59:01]
of doing things because at that point
[59:04]
they always used to say their name which
[59:07]
helps for people at home with continuity
[59:09]
or anybody writing minutes and they
[59:12]
could just say they live in town
[59:13]
although they don't need to get into
[59:15]
their full address or anything but that
[59:17]
was my thought that we should implement
[59:19]
that again so people start following
[59:22]
better procedures instead of we've had
[59:25]
some meetings where we have a number of
[59:26]
people talking from the audience and
[59:28]
they have really good points points
[59:29]
they're trying to raise.
[59:31]
>> I just I think people at home really
[59:33]
need to hear it in detail.
[59:35]
>> Sure. Yeah. Yeah. For this session here,
[59:37]
we didn't have any residents. So,
[59:38]
>> no, not this time, but in the future,
[59:40]
I'd like to do that. Would that be okay
[59:42]
with the board? Does anybody object to
[59:44]
that?
[59:45]
>> We can try it. I think
[59:47]
>> sitting round table gives a a feel of
[59:49]
collaboration and equaleness and
[59:52]
>> um it takes away a little bit of the
[59:53]
formality. Um, but I mean the old town
[59:56]
hall, if we're back there and we're
[59:57]
using the old selectman table, it comes
[1:00:00]
with the podium. Um, and that's how you
[1:00:02]
talk because you don't have this uh
[1:00:03]
round table type thing. So,
[1:00:04]
>> right,
[1:00:05]
>> I don't have a problem trying it and
[1:00:06]
seeing what the people who come to the
[1:00:08]
meeting, what they like.
[1:00:08]
>> Let's do it.
[1:00:09]
>> Okay, great.
[1:00:12]
>> Um,
[1:00:14]
so I had one thought on Jen's comment
[1:00:17]
about office hours. just a procedural
[1:00:19]
and I'm not opposed to the idea, but
[1:00:21]
procedurally
[1:00:22]
>> doesn't everything get routed through
[1:00:24]
the town administrator and then from
[1:00:26]
there doesn't the board direct the town
[1:00:28]
administrator. So,
[1:00:29]
>> well, how many times have you been
[1:00:31]
contacted through somebody in town that
[1:00:33]
says, "Hey, can you do something about
[1:00:34]
this?" This just gives them a place to
[1:00:36]
do that.
[1:00:37]
>> Those things are always followed up with
[1:00:38]
an email and like I spoke to this person
[1:00:40]
about this topic and blah blah blah. And
[1:00:42]
those things do come back. It's not it's
[1:00:44]
just a manner of which to be able to sit
[1:00:46]
and talk to people rather than being
[1:00:47]
caught at my kids, you know, school
[1:00:50]
event or being caught at, you know, the
[1:00:52]
library event to talk policy and
[1:00:54]
procedure. It just gives an open space.
[1:00:56]
>> Peter is the HR person for the staff and you you can't be fielding that kind
[1:01:02]
of
[1:01:04]
>> you you shouldn't that's pet I am I
[1:01:07]
wrong Peter? I mean you are essential
[1:01:09]
things.
[1:01:11]
>> Yeah. I mean so
[1:01:12]
>> why are you fielding that?
[1:01:13]
>> Yeah. So for procedural I
[1:01:15]
>> asked
[1:01:17]
um you should ref
[1:01:18]
>> so the way I would they do come back
[1:01:20]
advise you is that you're going to
[1:01:24]
readopt the policies and procedures and
[1:01:26]
in that it's very clear how it works. So
[1:01:29]
even if one of you is talking to a
[1:01:32]
member of the staff
[1:01:33]
>> you you can't direct them. You can
[1:01:35]
respond to them but you still got to go
[1:01:37]
through the town administrator right
[1:01:40]
>> and keep the person informed. So I mean
[1:01:42]
I would say that's
[1:01:43]
>> a manner in which I go to them and I'm
[1:01:45]
directing them. It's a manner in which
[1:01:47]
if they feel comfortable with me that
[1:01:48]
they can come and
[1:01:50]
>> so
[1:01:50]
>> let me know what's going on or or and
[1:01:53]
then then I can act as a in between to
[1:01:56]
bring that issue back to the forefront
[1:01:58]
and deal with it without having staff
[1:02:00]
people come to the front table before a
[1:02:02]
whole board. Right.
[1:02:03]
>> It really I mean it doesn't it's not it
[1:02:06]
doesn't happen all the time but it does
[1:02:08]
happen on occasion.
[1:02:09]
>> Yeah. I I just I mean I I I I get why
[1:02:12]
you're doing that. I just procedurally I
[1:02:14]
was thinking that that might enable some
[1:02:16]
staff and maybe some bad behavior where
[1:02:19]
Peter is trying to address it and I
[1:02:21]
don't want to give folks
[1:02:22]
>> that would be a conversation I would say
[1:02:23]
I had or an email saying I had a
[1:02:26]
conversation and I want to do some
[1:02:27]
followup on this topic
[1:02:28]
>> just as I would with a a resident
[1:02:30]
complaint which I have one
[1:02:32]
>> because I was caught at the library
[1:02:34]
event.
[1:02:35]
So um so yeah it's just
[1:02:41]
I'm not going to apologize for putting
[1:02:42]
myself out there and having people have
[1:02:45]
access to a selectman.
[1:02:47]
>> Well, I was just questioning the
[1:02:48]
procedurally, you know, the structure of
[1:02:50]
having that.
[1:02:50]
>> It's not like I'm making commitments.
[1:02:52]
I'm just being there for an ear.
[1:02:54]
>> No, I again, I was just asking
[1:02:56]
procedurally how functions I've actually
[1:02:58]
said, oh, there's mass general law or
[1:03:00]
there's a town bylaw for that. So,
[1:03:02]
really, we're within the
[1:03:04]
>> it's within it. So before there's a
[1:03:06]
complaint by a resident, they're already
[1:03:09]
given the information, which I would do
[1:03:11]
anyways. If they called me, if they
[1:03:12]
caught me on the street, those are
[1:03:13]
things I would do anyways and point them
[1:03:15]
in the right direction.
[1:03:17]
>> So it's not that I'm out there looking
[1:03:20]
to tell people what to do. I'm actually
[1:03:22]
there just to listen.
[1:03:25]
>> So yeah, I was just asking procedurally.
[1:03:28]
So items not reasonably anticipated 48
[1:03:31]
hours prior to the meeting.
[1:03:32]
>> I didn't do the town administrator
[1:03:33]
report.
[1:03:33]
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry, I skipped right
[1:03:34]
over you. I got so excited.
[1:03:36]
>> All I have is one item. Okay. I had a
[1:03:38]
metacomt meeting this morning. All
[1:03:40]
right.
[1:03:41]
>> And uh we met with the SEMR board as
[1:03:44]
well. So the metacomt board, Semre board
[1:03:46]
met
[1:03:47]
>> and approved um a joint executive
[1:03:50]
director. So the executive director of
[1:03:52]
SER will also serve as the executive
[1:03:55]
director of Metacama.
[1:03:57]
all with the intent and they an IMA an
[1:04:00]
intermunicipal agreement was executed
[1:04:02]
for that
[1:04:04]
>> executive director. Um and the goal is
[1:04:07]
to lead towards merger of the two
[1:04:10]
entities which as I might have described
[1:04:12]
in the past will likely result in lower
[1:04:15]
cost to Millville for um you know
[1:04:19]
continuing dispatch services. So that's
[1:04:22]
really the goal that everybody wants to
[1:04:25]
do. Makes good sense. the executive
[1:04:27]
director right now, you know, they've
[1:04:30]
got this uh World Cup stuff going on.
[1:04:32]
So, they're very busy over there. So,
[1:04:33]
his term wouldn't start probably until a
[1:04:36]
August 1.
[1:04:37]
>> And hope that was approved today.
[1:04:39]
>> Hope not a reduction in service. Yeah.
[1:04:41]
>> No, that's right. And um I'm not I
[1:04:44]
wasn't a voting member today, but I I am
[1:04:46]
allowed to ask questions, which I do. Um
[1:04:50]
but starting July 1st, I become the
[1:04:52]
voting member for Amended Millville.
[1:04:54]
>> That sounds like fun. Oh, there you go.
[1:04:57]
>> Okay.
[1:04:58]
All right. Items not reasonably
[1:04:59]
anticipated.
[1:05:00]
>> Nothing.
[1:05:01]
>> All right. We're going to have a next
[1:05:03]
regular meeting Monday, July 13th, 2026
[1:05:06]
at 6 p.m. Unless we squeeze one in
[1:05:09]
before then, but we don't anticipate it.
[1:05:10]
>> I don't think you need to. Right.
[1:05:12]
>> Okay.
[1:05:13]
>> Um,
[1:05:15]
yeah. All right. Um, and this typically
[1:05:17]
is around vacation time, so any
[1:05:20]
potential.
[1:05:21]
>> So, there could be remote by some,
[1:05:23]
right?
[1:05:24]
>> Okay.
[1:05:26]
All right, just food for thought since
[1:05:29]
uh yeah, we're here. Uh oh, let's enter
[1:05:33]
an executive session by roll call.
[1:05:37]
All right. I move that the board of
[1:05:39]
selectman enter an executive session per
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mass general law chapter 38 subsection
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21 A3 to discuss strategy relative to
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litigation where discussion of these
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matters in open session would have a
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detrimental effect on the litigating
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position of the town. I move that the
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board of selectman enter an executive
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session per mass general law chapter 30A
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subsection 2182 to discuss strategy
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sessions in preparation for negotiation
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with non-union personnel or to conduct
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collective bargaining sessions or
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contract negotiations with non-UN
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personnel and C move the board of
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selectment enter an executive session
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per master journal law chapter 38
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subsection A21A3 to discuss strategy
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with respect to collective bargaining or
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litigation if an open meeting may have a
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detrimental effect on the bargaining or
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litigating position of the town and the
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chair so declares teams union local 170
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police highway returning to open meeting
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only to adjourn looking for a second
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>> second and we'll take a vote Kristen I
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>> I Jen I
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>> All right you don't have to go