[0:00] >> Calling to order the August

[0:03] 3rd.

[0:04] >> Meeting of this Start

[0:05] Preservation Commission,

[0:08] Mister. And can you please call

[0:09] the Roll?

[0:16] >> Sallie pelts here,

[0:20] Nick. Alas Robinson,

[0:24] Matt to rose

[0:27] rather about men here.

[0:30] But tree check keeping excused

[0:33] and Jordan are out there.

[0:37] >> All right. We'll start with

[0:39] item number. Perfect. Yeah,

[0:41] she's all. There we go.

[0:43] Perfect. Everybody's here.

[0:46] We'll start with the item.

[0:48] One to 6, 0, 1, 6, 1,

[0:50] resolution really into a

[0:51] certificate certificate of

[0:53] appropriateness for the infill

[0:54] of one door at 2, 6, 6, 5,

[0:56] North Lake Drive in the North

[0:57] Pointe North Historic District

[0:59] for Anna Tims. Incorrect.

[1:01] Rick. Be.

[1:02] >> Kami. Could you call the

[1:04] city channel? There you have

[1:05] it. Set me up for a covered

[1:06] porch sharing. Okay.

[1:16] We're selling.

[1:18] She's on online for the best

[1:33] so long. It's just able to

[1:34] really work

[1:40] is coming here

[1:43] is this.

[1:45] I'm with you.

[1:53] >> Just a couple of things.

[1:55] That's not you know, if

[1:56] students solution solutions to

[1:58] that

[2:09] and you just don't know

[2:15] you used to that.

[2:17] >> Yeah, thanks for all right.

[2:20] Thanks.

[2:21] We now have to do that.

[2:30] Yeah, I thought

[2:33] we are we going.

[2:37] Michael, thank you.

[2:42] >> Here we go. We've got got

[2:43] the power point going. So

[2:51] so we've got the team, Michael

[2:53] Reaves House and 1915,

[2:55] foursquare for graft here,

[2:58] front elevation. This is the

[3:00] rear elevation, the west

[3:01] elevation. And they are

[3:03] proposing removing one next to

[3:06] your door, which currently it's

[3:08] just used for exterior storage.

[3:11] But they want to remove that an

[3:13] infill, the opening to enlarge

[3:15] the kitchen area.

[3:17] So here's the ovation. As it is

[3:19] existing with that door,

[3:21] they would

[3:24] remove that opening in fill it

[3:26] with stucco to match the

[3:29] existing texture and color of

[3:32] the rear facade. It's not

[3:33] visible from the right of way.

[3:34] It is the rear facade. So staff

[3:37] is recommending approval with

[3:38] conditions and the conditions

[3:40] just being that Noosa Colby,

[3:42] Portland, cement stucco know if

[3:44] this would be allowed and that

[3:46] this circle should match

[3:48] the original stucco in terms of

[3:50] texture, hardness and sickness.

[3:54] >> All right. Can you go back

[3:55] to the original what it looks

[3:56] like now, please?

[4:01] Yeah, thank you.

[4:02] That's stucco that blue.

[4:04] Yes, correctly to stop it.

[4:07] It's hard to tell.

[4:09] And it's peeling a little bit,

[4:10] too.

[4:12] The repair it anyway.

[4:16] >> Many of the commissioners

[4:17] have questions on this matter.

[4:20] Move approval. All right.

[4:21] To have a second second.

[4:23] All in favor. Aye. I'm all

[4:25] right.

[4:26] >> Moving on.

[4:28] >> To item 2 to 6, 0, 4,

[4:31] 0, for resolution relating to a

[4:33] certificate of appropriateness

[4:34] for new patio doors. And new

[4:36] deck at 107 West Brown Street

[4:38] and the Brewers Hill Historic

[4:40] District for Brew City BN Beast

[4:43] Company.

[4:44] Thank you.

[4:46] >> So this is this is the

[4:48] house. It's a second.

[4:50] >> Pt 91 queen and located on

[4:52] the corner of first and brown,

[4:54] the front of the house faces

[4:57] Brown Street. It does have this

[4:59] very large side yard. You can

[5:02] see the photograph on the left

[5:03] shows the front of the house,

[5:05] the photograph on the right

[5:06] shows the side yard, which is

[5:08] on First Street. So this is

[5:09] from first looking looking

[5:12] towards the house. So it is

[5:13] quite a large side yard.

[5:15] They don't have a side yard.

[5:17] On the other side. It's the

[5:18] neighboring property on the

[5:20] West side.

[5:23] So they're proposing this is

[5:24] the existing and this is a

[5:26] mockup, a rendering of what

[5:28] they're proposing to enlarge

[5:30] that window opening on the bay

[5:32] there and and and saw the deck.

[5:37] The renderings not completely

[5:38] accurate. The stairs in the

[5:40] plans, wouldn't, you know,

[5:42] just go onto the grass there

[5:44] series that would go on to the

[5:45] existing the existing sidewalk,

[5:47] which where this is the side

[5:49] yard right here. Yeah,

[5:51] his face is which direction

[5:54] this yard is on the court and

[5:55] this is on first and grounds of

[5:56] the side yard faces First

[5:58] Street North First Street where

[6:00] like Mark standing on First

[6:01] Street looking at it. Yeah.

[6:02] And Brown is to the to the

[6:04] right.

[6:06] The front facade is to the to

[6:08] the right around the corner.

[6:12] So the proposed DEC

[6:16] would be 15 feet and a half by

[6:19] a deep by 13 and a half feet

[6:21] wide

[6:22] new wood deck, which would

[6:24] consist of pressure treated

[6:25] decking 4 by 4 posts to I-2

[6:27] spindles one by 4 skirting

[6:32] the mold and rails which we

[6:35] could work on with the

[6:38] applicant to nail the final

[6:39] design. So this is what the

[6:41] public is proposed for the DEC,

[6:44] the applicant and provide the

[6:45] exact specimens for the patio

[6:48] door, though it is shown to be

[6:49] a sliding door. So we would

[6:51] need a little bit more details

[6:53] on that were HPC to approve

[6:56] that

[6:59] tried to draw roughly the size

[7:01] of the deck adjacent to the

[7:04] present yards. So it would

[7:05] extended pretty significantly

[7:07] into the side yard.

[7:11] And as you can see on the

[7:13] rendering it almost

[7:16] to staff's mind, you know,

[7:17] flips the primary ovation and

[7:19] makes a side elevation appear

[7:21] to be of the primary front

[7:22] facade, rather than a secondary

[7:24] facade.

[7:25] The preservation guidelines for

[7:27] Brewers Hill states retain

[7:28] exist, existing window and door

[7:30] openings that are visible from

[7:31] the public right of way to

[7:33] avoid enlarging openings.

[7:37] They also

[7:40] advice to discuss avoid

[7:42] discarding original doors and

[7:43] windows that can be repaired or

[7:44] replaced.

[7:50] The saffeels at the proposed

[7:51] can the large COVID Ning don't

[7:53] comply with the preservation

[7:54] guidelines for the district and

[7:57] that the enlarged

[7:59] DEC would be proved 2 prominent

[8:01] into visible from the side yard

[8:04] and adding a deck of that

[8:05] location would detract from the

[8:06] actual front facade again

[8:08] making it appears of the side

[8:10] elevation was the actual front

[8:12] recommend front elevation.

[8:15] Staff recommends that if the

[8:17] deck is is desired at this

[8:20] location, that perhaps this

[8:21] would be a good compromise to

[8:24] created or from this rear

[8:26] window and add in health health

[8:28] shaped Hudak that would be

[8:30] adjacent to the one story

[8:32] addition. That's kind of tucked

[8:33] away behind that tree but have

[8:36] a deck that would be roughly

[8:37] the size of that addition that

[8:39] could wrap around slightly and

[8:41] connect to both the front and

[8:43] back side walks roughly in the

[8:46] in the shape shown here

[8:48] outlined in the red.

[8:53] So with the preservation

[8:54] guidelines in mind at the

[8:56] present proposal, staff

[8:57] recommends denial of the

[8:58] sliding doors and Dak again

[9:00] with a

[9:02] the cabbie out that if HPC

[9:04] agrees that perhaps a scaled

[9:06] down a debt could be located

[9:09] along that rear for facade and

[9:11] slightly onto the onto the side

[9:13] facade.

[9:15] >> Question to you. Is your

[9:18] concern, the fact of a deck or

[9:20] the way the deck is designed?

[9:22] >> Just its prominence at size,

[9:24] how far it juts into that side

[9:25] yard and again, with the with

[9:27] the addition of that larger

[9:30] opening, their it hit,

[9:32] it makes it seem as though the

[9:33] side to side becomes the

[9:35] primary facade produced this.

[9:37] This is a rendering. Have you

[9:38] see the finished version?

[9:40] Looks like that's a change,

[9:41] Shiite. I think that makes him

[9:42] and I think it's a I was going

[9:43] to change. It looks like that's

[9:44] something I mean in town are.

[9:46] >> I mean, very suburban mean

[9:47] if they were to have a standard

[9:49] or not a sliding door

[9:53] coming up at the the.

[9:55] >> I'm a caregiver. You should

[9:58] come out and come out and give

[10:01] us your after this. I want to

[10:02] set in these crowds here.

[10:05] Yes,

[10:08] and you're doing so on the

[10:09] Maury one.

[10:15] >> Because that looks like

[10:18] it looks like composite

[10:19] decking. But this is a

[10:20] rendering with the use way.

[10:22] I yeah, that's the irony.

[10:24] >> Yeah. Could be careful with

[10:25] that stuff. That is the reason

[10:28] your part that we in your

[10:29] pocket prisma of what is true

[10:31] city be in the company.

[10:33] >> I do fix and flip to

[10:35] remodels a night. House

[10:37] families there fires and well

[10:40] while but you live here,

[10:42] I live here.

[10:44] Thanks, house.

[10:45] It would be this decade a

[10:46] little.

[10:48] >> I think this can be designed

[10:50] in a more Queen Anne style.

[10:52] Okay. With the door way,

[10:54] that's consistent with the

[10:56] design of the House. Really

[11:00] composite materials. But

[11:02] classic coming prove more

[11:04] traditional symbols of a larger

[11:07] dimension mean if you say to

[11:08] buy to. But this they end up

[11:10] being one and a half by one 1

[11:11] of the quarter by one of 3

[11:12] quarter. If you standard stock.

[11:14] All right. Lets you get custom

[11:16] Millwood. You can do to get a

[11:18] true too late to scandal

[11:22] and Hughes classic Clifford

[11:25] railings and right. I mean,

[11:26] yes, that they've got to do all

[11:28] that in Stockton.

[11:30] And that is I'm still with

[11:31] that. This is have an awfully

[11:32] suburban look to it in a very

[11:35] uncertain neighborhood.

[11:37] >> If you have a copy of the

[11:39] guidelines for Bruce help.

[11:41] >> Yeah, I do. He was nice

[11:43] enough to give me the

[11:44] guidelines. I didn't know that

[11:45] this was a hoping so I'm

[11:46] learning distance-learning

[11:47] process really.

[11:49] So Andrew has been very nice to

[11:50] let you know what I can and

[11:52] can't do so. So I'm asking

[11:53] permission if I can do the

[11:54] carriage doors during that

[11:56] opening. And if we want a

[11:57] smaller that we can do a

[11:58] smaller debt.

[12:00] >> But for security reasons,

[12:01] I really want to sliding door.

[12:02] I wouldn't want to let you go.

[12:04] That's fine because we're using

[12:05] it

[12:07] and a tree in the show.

[12:08] >> Yeah, I think this. I think

[12:09] that's what I need to go back

[12:10] to the drawing board for a

[12:12] little bit of design. Overall.

[12:13] You working with the

[12:14] contractors will have the

[12:16] contract to the contractor hit.

[12:19] Very, very good.

[12:20] >> So tell us more about what

[12:21] you do. Use it. So I do think

[12:24] some flips it. Also house,

[12:25] like families like that.

[12:26] I have really good management

[12:28] own different rentals that the

[12:30] midterms. So we primarily

[12:32] worked like a recall relocation

[12:34] or people that are unhoused due

[12:36] to fire floods.

[12:38] >> And you, you relocate folks

[12:40] of what single-family homes

[12:41] that unit. Yes, like

[12:43] single-family homes or we have

[12:44] a stable of empty single-family

[12:46] home where now just hours to.

[12:47] >> We're not be know as you

[12:49] have and about 20 of them.

[12:52] If you own emerges manager I

[12:54] own about 6 and I manage for

[12:55] other people.

[12:57] >> And feel like on interesting

[13:00] Brew City. Bnbs is your

[13:01] company. Yes, it is. Yeah.

[13:02] Okay. You got the next 2

[13:04] matters are before us. Well,

[13:06] what is the next one?

[13:08] Well, those and yeah, we'll

[13:11] certainly have.

[13:15] Okay. Yeah. Locations. Okay.

[13:18] Yeah. I don't think this one's

[13:19] ready for prime time. Yeah.

[13:20] Yeah.

[13:21] Can you work with her?

[13:23] >> Yeah. Absolutely. What's h

[13:25] PCs feeling on having a door on

[13:27] that facade versus on the rear

[13:29] with you? I have a preference.

[13:32] >> I would say the rear makes

[13:34] which is your guys

[13:35] recommendation? Correct?

[13:37] Yeah. I would say the rear

[13:38] makes more sense in this

[13:39] neighborhood. Yeah.

[13:41] >> Those are the adorable are

[13:42] the perfect

[13:45] we are because that there was a

[13:46] bump out of the house that was

[13:47] added in 1915. So it's good to

[13:51] be it would be awkward.

[13:54] So having that patio door there

[13:56] opens it up from the dining

[13:57] room for entertaining spaces

[14:00] and I can make it HPC

[14:02] appropriate. Yeah.

[14:05] >> Yesterday, the same room,

[14:06] correct?

[14:09] >> Yes, the same role. But it

[14:10] just the app or to have the

[14:12] door there versus

[14:15] this is from the inside of the

[14:16] house would be awkward to have

[14:17] the door there.

[14:23] >> Right now, I think

[14:25] my personal and what this is,

[14:27] Alice, 3 inches on the side of

[14:29] that window for a carriage door

[14:31] for that opening.

[14:34] >> So you're one house in from

[14:36] the corner, but the corner,

[14:37] lots vacant. I got to hope

[14:39] corner lot, right. But it used

[14:40] to be a house or, you know,

[14:43] well, no, actually, my grandma

[14:45] others ago last year, but

[14:47] nearly 8 years ago like that,

[14:48] there were no, no, no, my dream

[14:50] of their 4 years ago, that was

[14:51] house.

[14:54] >> Because it's strange that to

[14:56] be

[14:57] to have a vacant corner.

[14:58] I mean, at some point there was

[14:59] a

[15:02] yeah. There's also a quarter at

[15:04] on King Drive that has never

[15:06] ever meant to offer some with

[15:08] some snow and ice have been a

[15:09] house to the

[15:11] the whole show on the other

[15:12] side here.

[15:14] >> And that faces. Yeah,

[15:16] the other street, correct?

[15:18] That's facing first. Yes.

[15:20] Yeah. That's an awkwardly.

[15:21] And it just looks like the

[15:22] front entrance.

[15:23] >> Yeah. Well, yeah. If you'd

[15:26] look, I'm lying around

[15:28] Google Street view here.

[15:30] Right? And this is the

[15:33] this is the front of the house

[15:35] right there.

[15:37] >> Which is diminutive.

[15:39] >> Compared to what you're

[15:40] proposing

[15:43] once one street.

[15:45] >> The courthouse is uneven.

[15:46] These colors that make it out

[15:48] for that color now part of its

[15:50] half with a color. Now it's

[15:51] green right now, OK, black

[15:54] sightings?

[15:55] >> Probably being done right

[15:56] now as we speak. Yes, so it's

[15:57] that staff is she's the

[15:58] undergoing a large

[15:59] rehabilitation project says

[16:01] staff recently approved to see

[16:02] a way to remove the

[16:03] replacement, citing and she's

[16:04] restoring the clobbered,

[16:05] citing all will be restoring

[16:07] the windows. That.

[16:10] >> And your grandma lived

[16:11] there. Yeah, 40's 45 years ago

[16:13] before I was alive. But look,

[16:15] it's already green are ready

[16:17] and starting to restore.

[16:18] So we're.

[16:20] >> There are pictures are

[16:21] behind the time. Yeah. Those

[16:23] are older street view images.

[16:24] Okay.

[16:26] Only December 2025.

[16:31] I think it needs to go back and

[16:32] I think

[16:33] that you are correct in your

[16:35] app. I will move to deny and I

[16:38] will do that and move the home.

[16:40] Well, thank you tonight,

[16:42] correct. And and

[16:45] go back for changes

[16:47] that you're suggesting.

[16:48] >> And I wouldn't be able to

[16:49] come back until next month.

[16:51] If you deny to just start over

[16:52] again. Yes, we don't want to be

[16:54] like, OK, if you hold it,

[16:56] you should come back next

[16:58] month. Well, sorry. Yeah,

[17:00] actually, you still have time

[17:01] to deny this one because we're

[17:03] not up to deadline yet because

[17:04] it's so far out. The hope that

[17:06] will move the whole. Yeah.

[17:07] Okay. That's fact. Okay.

[17:09] To have a second for holding

[17:10] this one. 0nd guys on favor.

[17:13] Aye. Aye.

[17:15] >> You may want to step here.

[17:16] Then item to 6, 0, 4, 0,

[17:19] 5, resolution going to a

[17:20] certificate of appropriateness

[17:21] for demolition of a garage at

[17:23] 2, 3, 2, 8, East Back Bay

[17:24] Street in the North Point South

[17:26] Historic District for Bruce Atb

[17:28] NBA's company.

[17:30] >> Great. Thank you, Mr.

[17:31] Chair. So that staff had not

[17:33] received final plans for the

[17:36] addition or or for the garage.

[17:40] So staff's recommending holding

[17:41] 3, 4, next month. Perfect.

[17:44] >> You have a motion for

[17:45] holding items. 3, 4, to almost

[17:48] all right. All in favor.

[17:50] Aye. All right. All-star

[17:52] somebody. Seconded it. Yeah.

[17:54] All right. Good.

[17:55] >> House to yeah.

[17:59] Okay. Very good. Thank you.

[18:01] Thank you.

[18:03] >> All right. Item 5 resolution

[18:05] relating to certificate of

[18:06] appropriateness for

[18:07] rehabilitation of the Grand

[18:08] Department store Mitchell Park

[18:10] place at 1, 1, 0, 1, West

[18:13] Historic Mitchell Street in the

[18:14] Mitchell Street Historic

[18:15] District. First when a cotton.

[18:22] >> This is a big project,

[18:24] but it is also largely

[18:26] cosmetic. So I'm going to

[18:28] pretty much just going to hit

[18:29] the highlights of what's going

[18:30] on here.

[18:32] It it is nonetheless

[18:33] complicated. So I brought the

[18:35] whole plan set to announce to

[18:36] work. I realize the architects

[18:39] on the committee are virtual

[18:40] but well

[18:45] for the summer.

[18:49] So this is the former Grand

[18:51] Department store at 11th and

[18:53] Mitchell,

[18:57] the several combined buildings

[18:59] with numerous connections and

[19:00] remodeling. Those pieces range

[19:02] from a.

[19:05] >> In date from 18, 88 18 prior

[19:08] to 18, 88 18, 91 1911,

[19:13] 1949. And that the primary side

[19:18] you're seeing here is a 1937.

[19:23] That is a 1937, makeover that

[19:26] combined 2 or 3 buildings

[19:49] that will move on to plans.

[19:55] The plan is essentially to keep

[19:57] the first-floor retail and

[19:58] community serving spaces and an

[20:00] apartment lobby.

[20:04] Part of the 11th Street side

[20:06] will become a daycare on the

[20:08] ground floor. Second floor

[20:10] throughout will become a will

[20:12] be

[20:14] how a apartments.

[20:16] So meaning projects remove all

[20:21] existing exterior signage.

[20:22] None of which is well, none of

[20:25] which dates to the era of the

[20:27] bill here are the building was

[20:29] constructed or to the grands

[20:30] operations

[20:32] clean and repair the masonry

[20:33] with her soco products.

[20:36] Existing windows will be

[20:38] retained and repaired replacing

[20:40] in kind to current conditions

[20:42] where necessary

[20:44] there appeared to be no

[20:46] original windows outside of the

[20:48] 1949, edition on 11th Street.

[20:53] >> Which is list self section

[20:56] that left section list, top

[20:59] quarter of the dry,

[21:01] very international style.

[21:03] Clearly differentiating it from

[21:05] the Mitchell Street. Facades

[21:06] Art

[21:08] Streamline Moderne,

[21:10] replace, tinted stand spaniel

[21:12] glass again. Mostly on the 11th

[21:14] street side of the front

[21:16] buildings

[21:18] with a new clear glazing

[21:20] replace non historic entry

[21:21] doors on the 11th street side,

[21:25] install 5 new aluminum frame

[21:28] home windows on

[21:32] the alley side

[21:35] right here in the white painted

[21:37] brick area to create not new

[21:40] windows for apartments on that

[21:41] upper level.

[21:46] There is no reason to believe

[21:47] there are ever been would book

[21:48] windows in this building.

[21:49] So aluminum is perfectly

[21:51] reasonable.

[21:55] There's never been a wood

[21:56] window in this building to our

[21:57] knowledge.

[21:58] So adding with what and

[22:00] especially on Mitchell Street,

[22:02] Ali would be an unusual choice.

[22:06] They are a product we have

[22:07] proved before. And commercial

[22:09] projects graham windows

[22:13] repair the roof deck, install

[22:15] 12 skylights to out increase

[22:18] interior daylight in various

[22:20] units and the apartments.

[22:25] So overall, a very a good

[22:27] project. I do have staff has

[22:29] some concerns with the masonry

[22:30] quick leaning proposal that

[22:32] maybe a little too aggressive.

[22:35] It should be. It should be

[22:36] phased.

[22:39] The purse or kosher. Clean

[22:40] light duty, concrete, clean air

[22:42] that is proposed for all of the

[22:44] surfaces is highly caustic

[22:46] and a civic leader. Cleaners

[22:48] can only be used on why Sam

[22:50] with extreme care and very

[22:52] experienced crews who know what

[22:53] they're doing.

[22:55] Every effort should be made and

[22:56] made to clean the building with

[22:59] water light surfactants and

[23:00] antimicrobials before resort is

[23:02] ordering to strong chemicals

[23:04] TSB

[23:06] tsp.

[23:13] If it were if it were glazed

[23:15] tile actually tied is

[23:16] surprisingly effective.

[23:19] Yes,

[23:20] we're not a word that from a

[23:22] conservatory tried to do my

[23:23] fireplace matter at dawn.

[23:25] Not gone.

[23:29] I don't believe everything.

[23:30] Well, apparently, yeah. Super

[23:33] much more concentrated than you

[23:34] would use in your laundry.

[23:35] But it does work the crystal

[23:41] but also problem but definitely

[23:43] not appropriate for limestone.

[23:45] Regardless,

[23:47] a black standing of limestone

[23:49] should be tested for its

[23:50] composition before selecting

[23:52] any particular chemical

[23:53] treatment suit. And biological

[23:55] standing are nearly

[23:56] indistinguishable to the naked

[23:57] eye and respond very

[23:58] differently to cleaning agents,

[24:00] especially on stone surfaces

[24:05] so that that is the primary

[24:07] concern.

[24:10] Here's some of the conditions

[24:11] of the building.

[24:14] There are some bright and

[24:16] copper storefront original that

[24:18] is painted. The paint will be

[24:20] removed.

[24:21] The stuff that looks like

[24:23] granite is a synthetic granite

[24:25] that is basically a a died

[24:28] concrete with dark aggregate.

[24:31] So it's not actually concrete

[24:32] and will be there for actually

[24:34] more repairable. Then true

[24:36] granite

[24:37] less and less obvious

[24:41] current second-floor windows

[24:43] again, believe not to be

[24:44] original but will be capped

[24:49] the middle section on 11th

[24:51] Street. That is current painted

[24:54] 18 90's, brick

[24:57] and the highlight of the 1949,

[24:59] edition at the south end of the

[25:01] building.

[25:03] More details on 1949 windows.

[25:07] So conditions acquire masonry

[25:10] building cleaning permits.

[25:11] It is never included in the

[25:13] building. Permit is required to

[25:14] do separately

[25:16] staff to not believe the brick

[25:18] on the 1949. Facade is a in

[25:21] such condition that harsh

[25:22] chemical cleaning is necessary.

[25:25] It should be cleaned with water

[25:27] and light first surfactant

[25:28] except for dealing with

[25:30] graffiti.

[25:31] But we acknowledge that

[25:32] chemical cleaning of this

[25:34] limestone lentils on that

[25:35] section is probably necessary

[25:37] due to the dark standing

[25:39] when painting the previously

[25:41] painted brick on various decide

[25:43] to use a paper certified by the

[25:45] man factor as certified for

[25:47] brick. And then our standard

[25:49] conditions on the pressure

[25:50] washing technique

[25:52] fan tip minimum distance from

[25:54] the building and PS I

[25:56] restrictions and gpm

[25:58] restrictions.

[26:00] Anybody from the developer of

[26:03] the U.S. the architect is

[26:04] present all good.

[26:11] >> He just state your name and

[26:13] we're representing sure.

[26:15] My name is Courtney Reagan.

[26:16] A continuum architects

[26:18] represent a client.

[26:21] It's going to come clean.

[26:23] >> Nasa has any of the

[26:24] commissioners have questions

[26:26] and all these conditions.

[26:28] >> That factory, we are in

[26:29] agreement with all those us.

[26:31] >> Pretty simple, Ben. All

[26:33] right. Second second, all in

[26:35] favor, Aye.

[26:38] All right. That was easy.

[26:39] Thank you.

[26:40] >> This is a footnote. This was

[26:41] a building that had been slated

[26:42] for demolition.

[26:44] Amazing which we deny that the

[26:46] council granted. And now

[26:48] changing plans changed.

[26:50] >> Perfect. Same owner. Thanks

[26:52] to come.

[26:53] That's awesome. Great. So we

[26:55] like.

[26:57] >> Thank you. Continue mission

[26:58] to listen to some of them have

[26:59] or you're out how to do it.

[27:05] >> Excellent item. 6 to 6,

[27:07] 0, 3, 7, 6, resolution really

[27:09] into a certificate of

[27:10] appropriateness for exterior

[27:11] structure, repairs and masonry

[27:13] work at 1, 0, 3, 4, North Vel R

[27:15] Phillips Avenue Turner Hall and

[27:17] individually designated

[27:19] historic property for the

[27:20] Milwaukee Turner's.

[27:23] So here is Turner Hall.

[27:25] >> It dates to 18 82. The area

[27:29] that is receiving the.

[27:33] >> A majority of the work is

[27:36] the north shorter two-storey

[27:38] north waiting to see.

[27:41] >> Here and it's I highlighted

[27:43] in yellow with pros areas of

[27:46] work.

[27:48] >> Proposal is to install.

[27:50] She channel bracing across the

[27:52] fight primary facade of the

[27:53] annex

[27:56] and general reporting and make

[27:57] some repairs mostly on the

[27:59] front of the building but will

[28:00] be done as needed everywhere.

[28:03] A core of the proposal is to

[28:06] bent steel, see channels that

[28:08] will be installed on the

[28:09] primary facade to improve

[28:12] structural integrity is

[28:13] channels would be secured to

[28:15] the building with metal rods

[28:16] run back into the building,

[28:17] approximately 8 feet through

[28:19] Joyce and rafters. As you can

[28:21] see on the drawings here,

[28:25] blocking would be added to the

[28:26] Joyce and rafters along with

[28:27] still roads to begin. A bending

[28:29] of this steel is

[28:32] required to address the present

[28:34] Boeing of the front of the

[28:35] building.

[28:37] The steel will when installed

[28:39] will be painted to be blended

[28:41] into the side as best as

[28:42] possible.

[28:44] So based on the photos provided

[28:47] in the file

[28:49] staff is somewhat right,

[28:50] reluctantly recommending

[28:52] approval of this as it is

[28:54] presented as a temporary

[28:57] stabilization measure. We don't

[28:59] have word on long term for a

[29:01] timeline,

[29:02] but they are doing doing their

[29:05] best to stabilize and make it

[29:06] is presentable as possible by

[29:09] they will be painting was

[29:10] painting the steel to blended

[29:12] into the brick work.

[29:16] The bigger the particular issue

[29:19] I have is a 3 pointing of the

[29:22] building is right proposed as

[29:24] type and order

[29:27] from prior experience and pride

[29:29] for with reviewers that

[29:32] Wisconsin historical society.

[29:36] I had an experience with Mark

[29:38] Biko where he shall we say

[29:40] through a hairy can area about

[29:42] using that type and mortar and

[29:44] cream city brick. He did not

[29:46] allow it to be used anywhere in

[29:48] the pop Pabst complex.

[29:50] So I think since Turner Hall as

[29:53] a national historic landmark

[29:55] and perhaps does not, we should

[29:57] certainly be upholding the same

[29:58] standard and be as careful with

[30:00] the brick as possible.

[30:02] So the staff is recommending a

[30:04] typo order or NHL natural

[30:07] hydrology lime order rather

[30:08] than type. And there were be

[30:10] asked

[30:11] too much Portland cement in the

[30:12] mix for this except in possible

[30:16] locations where it

[30:18] some possible locations where

[30:20] extreme structural support is

[30:21] necessary, but it shouldn't.

[30:24] But a natural lime order should

[30:26] be sufficient for almost all of

[30:28] the work.

[30:30] Who's a blue frame building

[30:33] criticized separating from the

[30:35] wood.

[30:36] That is a tough

[30:38] as vertical members.

[30:43] Yeah. All of the engineer speak

[30:44] to that because that was that

[30:46] was not drawn in. But you are

[30:48] probably correct.

[30:50] And then those rights have to

[30:52] go through multiple choice.

[30:54] Yes.

[30:58] >> She had been tougher.

[30:59] So sure. Yeah, my name's

[31:01] immunity. Tory, I'm the

[31:02] executive director of the

[31:03] market Turner's the Turner

[31:04] Hall,

[31:06] Erik Pitt and city manager for

[31:08] Turner Hall.

[31:09] >> And just being a president

[31:11] being engineering, the

[31:12] structural engineer for the

[31:13] project.

[31:15] So the it is a blueprint.

[31:17] So to continue is burning wall

[31:19] construction and the.

[31:22] >> Joyce parallel to the front

[31:24] facade ties my folks to get out

[31:29] there being difficult today.

[31:31] I was out the ring. Was the

[31:33] joys parallel to the front

[31:35] facade, which is the west

[31:36] elevation?

[31:38] >> Is there. But the facade has

[31:40] separated and there's no direct

[31:42] attachment of that. Joyce,

[31:44] to the facade,

[31:46] a lot of this stem from the

[31:48] deep water, deep tunnel project

[31:51] and the cracking of the side

[31:53] that we've seen evidence of

[31:55] that there is far back as

[31:57] photographic evidence of that.

[31:58] The site is around that time.

[32:00] So we've seen cracks in the

[32:02] same location appear to be the

[32:03] same size.

[32:05] So we're just addressing this

[32:07] need for lateral stabilization

[32:08] that aside,

[32:10] because as we know, that can

[32:11] tend to lean off the building

[32:13] and well into the street some

[32:14] time. So we're preparing are

[32:16] proposing a temporary

[32:17] stabilization of the upper

[32:18] side, just a strapping it and

[32:21] Emilio American speak with a

[32:23] long-term timeline. But

[32:25] >> I think the the overall

[32:29] intent is to address it.

[32:31] It's just temporarily stabilize

[32:32] and for now and then proceed in

[32:34] the future. We're currently

[32:36] looking to get either an

[32:37] historic structures report or a

[32:40] historic properties master plan

[32:42] so that we can more

[32:43] strategically go about

[32:44] restoring the entire building

[32:46] and not just this cosmetic

[32:47] stuff. The urgency being in

[32:49] this is that it's also my

[32:51] my desk, which is going to

[32:52] slide off into the parking lot

[32:54] of this falls as I sit over

[32:55] there. But it's it's a you

[32:57] know, it's a gorgeous, lovely

[32:58] building and it's alive.

[32:59] It's not a museum. And so we

[33:01] need to

[33:02] making continue another 143

[33:04] years, at least.

[33:05] Yeah. And this this is the

[33:06] annex structures who wasn't

[33:07] part of the original

[33:08] construction. But it was very

[33:10] bill very soon after the new

[33:12] edition from 19, 0, 2,

[33:15] >> Pt 13 foot ceiling hike is

[33:18] at it.

[33:19] If the facade of separated is

[33:20] just 2 straps enough.

[33:24] >> It's a very it's so it's

[33:25] very narrow. It is connected to

[33:27] the main building out that it

[33:28] hit that original north wall of

[33:30] the main building. And I forget

[33:33] the exact with of the panic

[33:34] structure, but it's it's very

[33:36] narrow. The xt rwall on the

[33:39] north side is engaged with the

[33:41] West side. So we're just

[33:43] wrapping that holding it back

[33:45] between those 2

[33:46] points of restraint at the

[33:48] corners.

[33:51] If we're coming back, it feet

[33:53] in just to engage the Florida

[33:54] diaphragm because we want that

[33:56] Florida for him to work and

[33:57] bring those loads back to the

[34:01] north and the both North Wales,

[34:03] the north, while the original

[34:04] building on the north wall of

[34:05] an extra Qatar.

[34:07] >> The rods welded to the

[34:09] channel.

[34:11] >> No, they did not need to

[34:12] know they can be bolted.

[34:16] I guess that would put a

[34:18] I'm not on the next year face

[34:19] of the channel

[34:20] in a decorative. Not it could

[34:21] be as they're seeing that out

[34:23] on a star shape.

[34:26] Exactly. Yeah, you know,

[34:29] I was sure basically.

[34:30] >> Several is actually part of

[34:32] the original structure on the

[34:33] north face the building.

[34:34] So finding something to match

[34:35] that.

[34:39] >> Fundraisers live, if you'd

[34:40] like to contribute, I

[34:41] decorative not.

[34:42] Yes,

[34:47] anybody else have questions?

[34:50] >> Yes, Mr. Chairman, I do have

[34:51] a question. Go ahead.

[34:54] Chairs just being you're

[34:57] showing this kind of work to

[34:59] stabilize with seems to be like

[35:01] the roof and the second floor.

[35:03] Would there be any need to do

[35:05] this? Channeling

[35:09] work at the first floor?

[35:13] I don't. I mean, he's an old

[35:14] brick facade displacing per

[35:16] know.

[35:18] >> We've investigated at the

[35:20] roof level in the second floor

[35:21] level of separation. That's

[35:24] where most of the defamation

[35:26] occurs and is peeling away.

[35:29] It's it's actually

[35:30] to house, right. There's a

[35:32] window down the center of the

[35:33] building and that the side,

[35:35] there's one half to the north

[35:38] and a half to the south that

[35:39] are essentially king that that

[35:41] that window location at the

[35:44] second floor, not the roof but

[35:45] not the lower level. There is a

[35:49] you can see the the if you go

[35:51] back to the image him the

[35:57] the first floor level is about

[35:59] 3 feet above the sidewalk and

[36:01] location.

[36:03] There's a different type of

[36:04] wall construction there with

[36:06] granite.

[36:09] Sorry, not granite state stone

[36:12] blocks at the base course.

[36:14] So different. Different wall

[36:15] construction.

[36:19] That cup of Joe.

[36:20] >> Okay. That sounds fine.

[36:22] I'm just, you know,

[36:24] asking that question.

[36:26] Sounds good. Looks like proper

[36:27] repair.

[36:28] >> Historically, when the that

[36:30] these were being built, how was

[36:32] the purchase sighed attached to

[36:33] the site?

[36:35] What's it been definitively

[36:37] that would be the method of

[36:38] attachment.

[36:39] >> So this is a solid brick

[36:40] bearing wall or is so there's

[36:42] no. And in the wall system

[36:44] itself, it's it's solid brick

[36:46] with the joists that would be

[36:48] right up against the inside

[36:49] face of that. And there should

[36:50] be

[36:52] oftentimes there's only one,

[36:53] maybe 2 or 3 middle connectors

[36:57] clamping that his side to that

[36:59] choice.

[37:00] We didn't observe any at this

[37:02] location to this really isn't a

[37:03] traditional balloon

[37:04] construction. It's a learned in

[37:06] the sense that it's a bearing

[37:08] wall that's continuously bill

[37:09] that's not interrupted by the

[37:10] Florida system on the West

[37:12] elevations. You mean Oh,

[37:13] yeah, yeah. So no wood, no wood

[37:16] wall for a minute.

[37:21] >> Any other questions?

[37:23] >> The demolition of Bradley's.

[37:24] I do confirm that that that

[37:26] that was the cause of some

[37:27] others that amateurs, that

[37:30] search. And I'm just and that

[37:31] of the doubt it.

[37:33] >> Windows were blown out

[37:34] during the demolition. And that

[37:36] was that they were I wasn't

[37:38] there at the time. And so the

[37:39] adequate monitoring that which

[37:41] they did say during the

[37:42] construction of the new site

[37:43] wasn't done and the same way,

[37:45] there were multiple points of

[37:46] monitoring. All of this is

[37:47] Stuart, it by these 2 gentleman

[37:49] to my left. This is also the

[37:51] first full-time facilities

[37:52] manager we've had in my

[37:53] lifetime and I'm almost 60's.

[37:55] So the stewardship wasn't

[37:57] necessarily there. So I can

[37:59] only provide anecdotal

[38:01] evidence, unquote, some of the

[38:02] people saying, yes, but I think

[38:03] compounding with the

[38:05] the The Deep Tunnel project,

[38:08] which is also chronicled is

[38:09] having caused damage to the

[38:10] annex because that's a

[38:12] different

[38:13] footing than the rest of the

[38:14] building being that that's 18

[38:16] 82. And that's 19. 0, 3,

[38:17] all exacerbated the problem

[38:25] that all the dust across the

[38:26] office after they imploded the

[38:28] Bradley Center.

[38:32] All right.

[38:34] To have a motion on this on.

[38:36] >> Tom O.

[38:38] >> And the motion is to approve

[38:39] with chef conditions.

[38:47] >> Nick, we can hear you too.

[38:48] Well,

[38:52] he's there to even sorry.

[38:54] Okay. There you go. Where you

[38:55] say something to us. Nic.

[38:57] Know a good bit. All right.

[38:59] >> Ok, so we've got a motion.

[39:01] Do I have a second that all

[39:03] right on favor. Aye. Aye.

[39:06] Aye motion carries. There we

[39:08] go. Thank you. Thank you,

[39:09] France. Awesome can.

[39:12] All right. We will now take up

[39:14] item 7 through 27 as staff

[39:17] approve certificates of

[39:19] appropriateness to have a

[39:20] motion to approve. So most of

[39:24] all right, second on the other.

[39:26] I I I'm right.

[39:30] Well, that's go to item.

[39:32] 28, the review and approval of

[39:35] the minutes from the last

[39:37] meeting on 7/6/2026. All

[39:39] commissioners have seen and

[39:41] reviewed the minutes to a have

[39:44] a motion for approving

[39:47] so off. All right. During the

[39:48] second.

[39:51] All in favor. Aye. All right.

[39:53] I updates and announcements.

[39:56] I'm just gonna keep putting

[39:57] this up here.

[40:01] Alright, October 14th through

[40:03] the 18th, right? 16, 16,

[40:06] sorry. Local history and

[40:08] historic Preservation

[40:09] Conference downtown Milwaukee

[40:11] here.

[40:13] Put it on our calendars.

[40:16] We'll put it on our calendars.

[40:18] All right. Any other updates or

[40:20] announcements

[40:23] any other any commissioners

[40:24] have any updates or

[40:26] announcements doesn't feel

[40:27] right to close this early,

[40:29] but maybe.

[40:30] All right. A thing.

[40:33] Do you have a motion to

[40:34] adjourn?

[40:37] >> All right. Second second,

[40:39] alright on favor. Aye.

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