[0:20] I'm not saying on for or against one way or the other but I would like to share a

[0:26] thought I graduated from high school here in 1960 the population is the same

[0:37] now as it was then it has it growing for a reason and we're a bedroom community

[0:48] or could be why we need to ask ourselves that and maybe it's because we don't

[0:59] want to grow and we don't want to take on anything that's got a new grips I'm

[1:06] not sure I don't have the answer to that but yeah there's other towns that have

[1:13] 50 inland tools but we don't have and we're talking about a business here is

[1:22] what potential just to make money bro taxes and whatnot

[1:28] and maybe we need to go back and search why is it the way it is stuck in a rut

[1:39] we don't want progress heaven forbid we have a stoplight way too much traffic I

[1:46] don't know but I think we're looking at shove it out of business

[1:53] I'm not saying this is a good one I don't know I don't have funky study but

[2:01] we something it'd be nice if we had a grocery store and we don't have one

[2:10] because there isn't enough people to support and I think what we need to look

[2:18] at is why is the attitude such that we're not a Forsyte

[2:26] or some other small community or go to Wisconsin and a little bit

[2:33] like this has got a whole bunch of industry stuff around someplace

[2:41] some of that I don't know what all it is and I'm not saying it's all within City

[2:47] Council's jurisdiction or the state of Illinois anymore

[2:53] looking into all the issues raised for me we have the economic development of

[2:59] plans for looking into only did you know that your grace that's something you may

[3:03] want to get involved

[3:14] I feel

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[6:23] does any research alcohol reached alcoholism divorce and smoking causes

[6:48] cancer smoking has led a lot of people to this baby which has now covers

[6:56] several deaths what does smoking marijuana

[7:02] how many unforeseen problems are there so that's kind of one fast pony

[7:11] if recreational marijuana this path there can you have a feel for the 50

[7:21] we'll have to increase the police force that regulators another person there so

[7:31] this time I don't know I mean it may be this kind of like scandal but maybe we

[7:36] handle it cui stuff but did they go crazy I know a

[7:44] lot of other agencies or other departments are thinking the same thing

[7:49] expecting the worst and we're going to learn as we go

[8:05] and other statistics that I have done written down the canvas boosts the risk

[8:10] of accidents as much as 14 fold doubles the odds for fatal collisions don't mix

[8:18] marijuana and driving

[8:45] why they're talking I just want to say one thing make we're kind of getting

[8:49] away from the fact that it's going to be legal no matter what we can do so it

[8:57] doesn't matter where they're getting it from whether it's legally there's a

[9:00] black market or they're driving the Springfield or Chicago and there is it

[9:05] there will be a black market there because once it goes

[9:08] because what's January first and even though it's legal the legal stuff is

[9:14] going to be expensive expensive and like they said earlier they're done and we

[9:27] are in a where art county is then like I forgot to put my map out I apologize

[9:31] we're grouped in with like 20 other counties and that's a January 1st I

[9:35] believe there's no there's only gonna be one allowed dispensary until they issue

[9:40] the next round like I said every year timeframe to make applications and all

[9:52] of that so with so many with the limited amount of dispensaries available

[9:58] obviously the higher population areas are gonna get them first

[10:02] yeah but just a matter of time before there goes saturate down Barlow oh yeah

[10:19] you know I don't necessarily think the effects on driving working and I don't

[10:24] think it's a different than alcohol is any different than the people who smoke

[10:28] interested in this work I think at some point personal accountability has to

[10:33] enter into it I mean you can't just say I mean there are always people who are

[10:39] going to use it like they've used alcohol to drive would you deal with a

[10:56] drunk person coming out of the bar when you deal with somebody who's hi

[11:00] stumbling out of the cannabis language Tony well the guy that's hi it's

[11:08] probably not going to cause so much trouble public roadway there I mean it's

[11:13] we yes yes we will deal with that I was in the pirate service 20 years and half

[11:21] a dozen times you get called out two o'clock in the morning to a DUI

[11:25] somebody's crashed in I can't think of one time but the guy was too stoned to

[11:31] drive a DUI some alcohol but I can never remember an instance where determined he

[11:38] was juiced Oh filled on that point one of my co-workers was a gunnery sergeant

[11:45] in Vietnam and artillery he always told me that the guy that was

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[12:37] here not classy somewhere we've been trying to tell our kids all these years

[12:41] apparently nobody remembers back on the seventy one of our kids overdosed in

[12:46] town he's on the Pew that's one kid that's

[12:52] what kid we lost to your statement they're doing it let's legalize it well

[12:58] then let's open a brothel let's do that whatever it says it could be moral let's

[13:05] do it so before we can't do that I think the

[13:11] community would go down on morale if you have to have your better one so damn bad

[13:17] go to Lincoln go to Springfield that doesn't mean we have to do it now

[13:21] blasting I don't condone this everybody that I knew intended to know

[13:27] particularly anyone could get you know well you know we got a valid point in

[13:37] opinion but in my mind you know did you share all that with your state

[13:40] representative

[14:01] because I had a business we should fall from that we're adults

[14:52] be responsible that's the thing I see now it's too easy

[15:05] if he was right go to the high school they all protect

[15:11] each other but the drugs are wrapped we don't need low than one because

[15:14] somebody pointers by attended silat to get or give it to it Leafs make the guy

[15:23] go to the Lincoln or Springfield to take it out I think work really turning over

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[16:46] as he pointed out we graduated together and I was never carded until after I was

[16:57] 21 and I wondered what the heck that guy was talking about when he asked me but I

[17:03] dress a little different when I went to buy it after I was 21 but my point is

[17:10] that I talk to my daughter today who's a little over 50 and I mentioned

[17:18] to her that I was coming to this meeting and she says well you remember in pino

[17:26] when we went to junior high we had drugs available to us remember what I came

[17:32] over told you that and I had forgotten that

[17:38] but I got two kids Daenerys mine near I know if they've used it they haven't

[17:45] abused it and they do drink and so do i and the issues were talking about with

[17:54] marijuana and drivin and all of that is no different than overindulgent with a

[18:00] bottle of something it's basically to say it might be a little funny or

[18:07] different with each individual but we're still back to you've got to take

[18:16] responsibility for your own actions and you better teach that to your kids when

[18:22] they're little bitty kids I wonder if we can look back through our archives

[18:33] because I'd really like to know how our City Council in the early 1930s handled

[18:39] prohibition because you know that was probably a hot topic at the signs where

[18:50] did you get a cold drink in 1928 in Logan County here we got that reputation

[18:58] now I'm not saying that's a sway any space decision to continue that

[19:02] reputation but I'm just curious to how our forefathers handled that because I'm

[19:08] sure it was probably a pretty rough issue kind of like we're sitting there

[19:11] talking about right now you know where we got pros and cons on each side this

[19:16] opinion was opposed to his opinion too you follow me but it's kind of curious I

[19:20] mean maybe that would be worth 10 minutes of our time sometime just to

[19:24] look at that you see

[19:29] oh I'm sure it'd be really interesting creepy yes maybe the city attorney could

[19:40] address this do employers businesses have any legal means now to not employ

[19:49] person because of marijuana use even tools building on I would assume they're

[19:57] going to be hiring more people do they have the right to not hire a person if

[20:04] he's using marijuana or high marijuana do they have even any means of testing

[20:14] that's a really good question I don't have a specific answer about my

[20:18] understanding that's that's not an aspect of this particular law that I'm

[20:23] familiar with so Hammond look into it I certainly can

[20:26] and provide us a written response to the mayor but my understanding is the

[20:31] employers will treat it similarly to alcohol juice so you can't be drunk on

[20:38] the job OSHA is not going to be happy if you're drunk on the job the same would

[20:44] apply if you're under the influence of you know any type of narcotic medication

[20:51] things like that I understand marijuana stays in your system for quite a while

[20:56] also not familiar from what I've read you can you can the test can show you

[21:04] that the trace amounts in the blood but the effects of it but I think as far as

[21:10] I've read every employer has the right to make their own there's nothing in the

[21:14] laws that protect you from your job like you can't go to work stoned out of your

[21:19] mind every day and say well it's legal yeah that's an area that's beyond what

[21:24] the law that's in front of the city comes late tonight I've worked in

[21:30] factories many many years there's somebody to be working in there

[21:35] and be high on marijuana or alcohol you know no no that is not a outcome that

[21:46] would be covered by the ordinance that's before the City Council tonight the only

[21:59] thing that has been prepared by our attorney is one that would not allow us

[22:02] whatsoever at this time that the council will work with with myself and then the

[22:08] attorney to amend it the way they see fit and and you know and passed that

[22:14] before the beginning of the year whatever decision they make I've taken a

[22:18] straw poll pretty close to being typed yeah dan Spock is an alderman that is

[22:26] not on this tonight he he had some and an emergency with Amber and the company

[22:30] he works for he told me today not really to make a statement but but he is in

[22:37] favor of allowing the business of allowing a business of that sort I

[22:41] believe you heard what it was today the only one that is kind of on the fence I

[22:46] believe there's been some mister rittmeister

[22:48] so if that was the case that would put us by a split what was your take

[22:58] I was trying to get away I am on the tie-breaking vote but at the same time I

[23:06] don't I would like to leave this up to the City Council I think that time is on

[23:13] our side I think that by rushing into it and you like you said I totally agree

[23:17] with that I believe rushing into it is something

[23:19] that maybe that the city may not you know necessarily admire when when it

[23:26] happens at the same time I I understand everybody's aspect on the revenue it's a

[23:31] tough one I was hoping to not have to break the tie I'll be completely honest

[23:37] with you but if I if I have to have to self as the legislative branch of the

[23:43] City Council this decision lies directly with the male diamond of the City

[23:47] Council yes tell us something that into

[24:09] that very well good but if we don't act on Phyllis in some way accordingly then

[24:15] we are outward bound honest to the state code starting January 1 so if we don't

[24:20] make any type of restrictions or allowances it'll basically be free right

[24:25] and at which time I Queen Liz is the worst thing it means that as long as

[24:29] they are up as long as they are following that the Illinois the Illinois

[24:32] me this is the Illinois code then they are allowed to do business within our

[24:36] city lines because we don't have a restriction on so if we waited till

[24:40] March and somebody came in and did over we could not stop there your mr. Mertz

[24:50] say that if they say okay does they have to issue a license to do this or this

[24:57] yeah it would have to get a license from us first okay Norman of agriculture's

[25:09] Hanlon I didn't know if it was like the liquor license like we can't get a

[25:11] liquor license from the state of Illinois unless you have a city one

[25:14] there was this specific line item in the frequently asked questions that address

[25:18] that's right it was up to the state home

[25:26] completely disarmed attacks culture is the one that's administering this

[25:30] suspensory license so the state has also issue a dispensary license if you say

[25:36] okay for somebody doesn't necessarily is going to be somebody from milk elasticy

[25:46] probably somebody outside good you are suspended

[25:52] they only issue so many yep so my believe our number is 75 75 and what

[25:59] they call the first way there'll be another 75 a year from that so we're not

[26:04] even to perfuse oh we're not even the January 1st yet so I know it's a

[26:12] phase-in type situation not anybody you have to go through a very rigorous

[26:16] application process to get that license so even if you say ok we're still here

[26:22] oh yeah oh yes I would think that if only 75 license are issued in the first

[26:26] year the chances of one of those 75 people choosing my philosophy as

[26:30] employees of their businesses probably slim but it's how much time you're

[26:33] getting that yeah now $1,000 50 maybe they might show his devil and brought it

[26:39] back a year from now same time frame yes

[27:22] my understanding this right as far as the City Council polls should have not

[27:27] really talked about if we do have a so any place that what you would do with

[27:36] the money what your guidelines would be for the people the person who the

[27:41] business not as far as like what the extra sales tax that we will put on them

[27:51] as far as I'm under the impression and Tim might know this better than I would

[27:55] it would just go into our sales tax line item which would go directly to our

[27:59] general fund spend it on whatever you know am I correct in that deference it

[28:06] sounds like that business district tax the county school you know tax that's

[28:12] dispersed by the

[28:24] there any other comments

[28:30] is there any alderman that would like we can rescind the liquor licenses it's the

[29:03] same thing well same thing we well we just you know evade all the liquor

[29:19] licenses when they expire to expire we don't reissue

[29:22] you know the same effect I would say that that's what the people wanted I

[29:28] okay with that if that's what I think this issue particularly the council's

[29:35] split on it from the input tonight it sound like the public is split just as

[29:40] well I do they could be good idea to just put it on the referendum and see a

[29:48] larger poll takes maybe not by you put on or that way but there's certainly not

[29:58] one site that's gonna appease a majority of people on this issue we can't put it

[30:04] on a referendum if we need the decision here and number two to the filing

[30:09] deadline is starting today so I don't know

[30:12] the county has election process setup or a local issue like I just would think

[30:19] it'd be too late to put it on the market right Kelly you have any help with that

[30:21] by chance right I know it is but I know there's my I didn't know if you this

[30:27] might know right

[31:00] I don't know if maybe if you would have another one of these but start off by

[31:10] trying to maybe explaining more I don't know if everybody understands exactly

[31:16] the workings of a dispensary or having somebody explaining I don't know if

[31:24] everybody is understanding truly what what is going to happen if nobody in the

[31:32] state of Illinois doesn't show and that's just the thing we we have no idea

[31:36] what to expect you could probably talk I mean I mean

[31:46] but I think that I know there's some people here thank you if they're not I

[31:51] don't think they're grasping even what or even some with web series right I

[31:58] mean even some of the line and I know it's gonna be a learning process it's

[32:02] like Tony said from January 1st on it's gonna be a learning process to the older

[32:19] men that are for it what would you propose as opposed to the sample

[32:22] ordinance that I have handed out that would allow an I know such businesses

[32:26] what do you propose that we how we amend this to allow certain ones or not

[32:31] certain ones that that is something you know I believe I believe when we when we

[32:35] do make the call on this we'll have to have an ordinance saying both how it is

[32:38] how it is not going to be allowed or how it is what's what's everybody's thoughts

[32:43] on that are you looking to make them just a dispensary only to start with as

[32:54] far as like the other related business yes they rolled it all up I would open

[33:00] for all avail the cultivator I loved animals

[33:04] very well-organized operation and you would not make you would not believe how

[33:10] much ventilation reduce the smells and how much money they're putting in to

[33:15] control the after-effects so it'll smell less than you know a hog farm type you

[33:21] know just maybe that's a bad analogy from that's kind of what you have

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