[19:20] Any

[19:48] citizens that want to speak. Yep. Come on up. Name, rank, and serial number,

[19:53] otherwise known as name and address. >> James Caldwell

[20:24] writing and approval is still planning open the air, but we should be getting

[20:28] to the end of that soon. Um, a contractor is on retainer, so we should

[20:33] hit the ground running um as soon as I can try to propose a little support from

[20:39] the city. So, uh, that's where we're at with the Stellas. We're looking for a

[20:44] spring 2026 grand opening if everything goes correctly. And uh I'm excited to,

[20:49] you know, feed the neighborhood. >> Tell tell people what what the

[20:52] restaurant. >> Oh, it's going to be a text. Um it's

[20:55] going to be at 1740 Nashville 1 right here. Um between the Wendy's and the

[21:00] Five Guys and the Shell, uh the Shell building that's been kind of vacant for

[21:04] a while. Um it'll be a 7,000 square foot uh footprint on the ground level with a

[21:09] 1600 ft² uh rooftop patio. Um looking over into scenic space center. Uh it'll

[21:17] see the space center NASA proper uh the new Aggie uh research building. Uh so

[21:23] it'll be a nice view especially for um the galaxy lights. So I'm really excited

[21:28] about all that. So, >> so just to be clear, the that brand new

[21:33] spank shopping center that's been vacant for two years are going to be the first.

[21:38] » Yes, sir. >> So, that's all drafted, everything looks

[21:41] great. Um, got a LOI in place to kind of hold it uh while I get the the finances

[21:47] figured out. And then once that's done, we're giving keys.

[21:50] » And are you taking two of the five spots?

[21:52] » Uh, I'm not sure how we broke it down. We kind of did a custom footprint. Um,

[21:56] there are no walls set up in there quite yet. Um, and I kind of came in and asked

[22:01] for a lot and they gave it to me. So, [laughter]

[22:04] » it's about half. >> Yeah, it's about half of the building.

[22:07] » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm thinking like maybe three two or three. Um,

[22:12] » they're they've allowed me all the the tenant improvements that I wanted to do.

[22:15] So, we will have [clears throat] margaritas with a nice overlook. Um, you

[22:20] know, we'll have a nice outside patio on the ground level as well as two as uh as

[22:24] well as two full full bars to kind of service uh Nassau Bay and all the front

[22:29] » especially tequila bar. >> Yeah. Uh so yes, it will be agave spirit

[22:33] forward tequila so tall meascows. Um tons of fresh ingredients. So a tons of

[22:39] great frozen and on the rocks margaritas as well as I'll have oldfashions and

[22:43] other prohibition era kind of cocktails. That's kind of the the thing right now.

[22:48] So, absolutely, everything is going to be fresh. Whatever I can source locally

[22:51] will get sourced locally. I plan to help um bolster the Irma's farmers market.

[22:57] That's one of my first kind of big um community outreaches is to kind of get

[23:02] that back to its glory days. So, I know it's about, you know, infusing some

[23:07] money and capital in there. So, absolutely.

[23:10] » Thank you. >> Yes, for sure.

[23:23] Thanks, Chief. Uh, hello everybody. Pete Seroka, 18226, uh, V Nassau Bay Drive.

[23:30] So, uh, what a year it's been. We're coming to the end. We're in the home

[23:33] stretch. Can you believe that? So, uh, it's been a, uh, a war for, uh, for me.

[23:39] Uh because um I had over the summer I had a son get married in Seattle. That

[23:45] was very exciting. Then I had my 93-year-old mom pass away. That was sad.

[23:51] And then my beloved uh 13-year-old Belgian Malininoa had a stroke couple of

[23:57] weeks ago and uh on a Saturday night at midnight and that was fun. But uh she's

[24:02] still around for a while longer. So, uh, but the reason I bring that up is

[24:07] because there is a new business that is, uh, called the Gulf Coast Veterinary

[24:13] Services that is down near Costco. I talked to the mayor about this and and,

[24:19] uh, they're the only 24/7, right? Our vet works Monday to Friday, Dr. Huber,

[24:25] in League City that we've had for 30 years, but not open on the weekends. So,

[24:31] uh, they did a great job there. My my dog Abigail was in there for uh for

[24:35] three nights. Uh it's unbelievably ridiculously expensive. Uh so if you go

[24:43] there, the good news is is that they provide the service if you need that. Uh

[24:48] the bad news is um I just don't know how most people could could afford that.

[24:53] But, uh, you'll have to make that decision. But, it is nice to see that we

[24:57] continue to have growth in the area and businesses like that that are available.

[25:03] And so, um, so I bring that up. So, that was number one. Another um, comment I

[25:08] had, I was just going to ask Paul and Elas to see if we could get stronger

[25:15] communication on what's happening. The city looks great looking out at the

[25:19] festival of lights out here and all the flowers, all the good things that have

[25:22] happened. But then when I drive around and I see all the construction that's

[25:26] going on and especially now that we're we're a week away from uh from

[25:32] Thanksgiving and then Christmas and and there you know Martinique and Nassau Bay

[25:37] Drive. I mean I don't know if it's water breaks Paul or if it's the planned CIP

[25:43] improvements that we we really didn't get on this year that we thought we were

[25:48] going to get on in the in the first quarter to price it out. second quarter

[25:52] to take action. So, we got a miss on that and I understand that's all going

[25:56] to roll over. But now, you know, now we're we're into the latter part of the

[26:00] year and [snorts] um and I don't understand what our plan is. And so, I'm

[26:05] pretty active in the city. And if I don't understand, that means that most

[26:08] citizens don't understand what you know what is really what's the schedule. And

[26:13] I keep asking, you know, is there going to be a schedule that's going to go out

[26:17] for residents? And I hear yes, yes, yes. But that hasn't happened. Once in a

[26:21] while you'll see a Facebook and it say okay we're shutting water off on these

[26:25] streets but if we could tighten that up that'd be you know the that that's a

[26:29] constructive crit crit criticism on that Paul and you know take it that way

[26:34] [snorts] and then um I brought up at um economic development council once or

[26:40] twice last year and at the city once about the development of the Daven Lane

[26:46] lot to something productive for the city and I know I've talked to Chase and Lucy

[26:52] about this and and the mayor. But, um, you know, maybe now that we've gotten

[26:56] some of the major projects like, you know, getting Margaritavville and some

[27:00] of the things that have taken tremendous amount of time, maybe now we can focus

[27:04] on one of the last opportunities. I mean, face it, we're not going to get

[27:07] another uh large waterfront lot. >> Just warn you, you're you're 30 seconds

[27:12] past. >> Okay. You want me to stop?

[27:14] » Just wrap it up. >> Okay. So, I just want to uh resto the

[27:19] fire on that and put that in to see I haven't I wasn't part of any of the

[27:24] budget meetings, so I don't know if anything's been budgeted on that, but I

[27:28] would just ask that the uh the mayor and council that you have uh conversations

[27:33] on that again. >> Fair enough.

[27:35] » Okay. Thank you. Thanks, everybody. >> Thanks.

[27:38] » Anybody else?

[27:50] I sat too far away from this thing. Good evening. Um, my name is Jamie Roachcha.

[27:56] I live at 1419 Antigua with my husband Andy. And I came this evening to

[28:01] actually speak to you about what's on the on the screens right there. Um, I'm

[28:05] here to invite our mayor, our city council, our staff, um, and of course

[28:09] our citizens to Nassau Bay's annual Keyboards at Christmas concert. It will

[28:14] be held on Friday, December 19th at Gloria Day Lutheran Church at 6:30 in

[28:19] the evening. Keyboards at Christmas, if you're wondering what it is, is an

[28:23] incredibly unique, one-of-a-kind event. We have six professional pianists on

[28:30] three Steinway Grands. We also have special um guests from the Houston Grand

[28:35] Opera coming as well as our very own Nassau Bay um children's. It's a it's a

[28:41] youth piano group that they come and we spend the entire evening uh singing

[28:46] Christmas songs, doing doing our favorites and some you may not even know

[28:50] that was even there. So we have an amazing time. It is for families and for

[28:56] children. It is everyone is welcome. Um you can see a lot of the information

[29:01] there. We have been working on this uh the pianists have been meeting since

[29:05] September. So, you are going to have an amazing evening of music. The tickets

[29:10] are free thanks to the sponsorship of the city, private donors, and um

[29:15] businesses. We're able to offer those for free. However, they are very

[29:19] limited. So, my suggestion is to please go on, you can see that there's

[29:23] keyboards at Christmas-nasal bay.com is our website. You can get to

[29:28] it there or you can just use your phone and scan that QR code and go right to

[29:32] the tickets. Reserve your tickets now. they're already filling up and um we are

[29:38] so excited to bring this annual tradition back. We also have donors from

[29:43] the community and for those donorships, if you're interested in don donating, we

[29:47] have several different packages you can choose from and we absolutely have an

[29:51] amazing time. So, I wanted to say thank you to the city, to the mayor, um and to

[29:56] our citizens of Nassau Bay who have already stepped up on this wonderful

[29:59] event and I will see everyone on December 19th.

[30:02] » I got to do a plug. Your students dress out formally in black tie.

[30:06] » They do black tide. They buy their own tuxedos.

[30:08] » Extremely extremely >> professional

[30:12] professionalism for a formal

[30:16] » Yes. [clears throat] Yes, we are all dressed in

[30:21] Thank you. We're all dressed and dressed black, but we welcome anyone driving in

[30:25] in blue jeans. It's totally fine with me on that. Um, but we want to bring this

[30:28] to you because we have found in years past that a lot of our younger adults

[30:33] and our children don't ever get that kind of experience. This is a true event

[30:39] um for the community. >> And I know it's up there, but in case

[30:42] people are not that way, please give the date, time, location.

[30:47] » It will be at Gloria Day Lutheran Church. It will be on Friday, December

[30:52] 19th. If you're wondering what day that is, that's the last day of school for

[30:56] the public schools here in CCISD. It will be at 6:30 p.m. at Gloria Day. And

[31:01] there will be signs everywhere to help guide you once you get there to the

[31:04] church. All you need is a ticket. Um, you don't have to pay anything, but we

[31:09] do ask you to have that ticket because last year we we were within, I believe,

[31:14] eight tickets of s selling out. So, I really advise you to get your tickets

[31:18] now. Thank you. Thank you. >> All right.

[31:23] Anybody else? Any other comments?

[31:29] Going once, going twice, three times. The citizens comment section is closed.

[31:37] Moving on to council amendment comments.

[31:45] » Um, not too much tonight. We did have a really good experience at TML. I felt

[31:49] like we met a lot of great people, experiences, vendors, so I really

[31:53] enjoyed that. And um I'll probably elaborate on that more later, but that's

[31:57] all I got for tonight. >> Uh let's see. Enjoying the weather in my

[32:02] retirement. Uh Lake Lake Nassau looks great, so thanks to Paul and public

[32:07] works for uh tackling that. Um it was kind of fun watching watching somebody

[32:12] mow >> mow the water.

[32:14] » Mow the water. Yeah. For a while. So, uh, my family, we've already enjoyed the

[32:19] pickle ball courts and then just hearing already our citizens here. It's just an

[32:23] awesome time again to be in Nassau Bay, especially heading into the holidays.

[32:27] So, I'm definitely looking forward to the holidays, just kind of seeing all

[32:30] the cool stuff that's happening. So, that's it.

[32:33] » Jace,

[32:41] » this is not working out well. Okay. Um, so I just had a couple things. Um, I

[32:45] reached out to Paul Lopez not too long ago. I'm sure you've all noticed that

[32:48] the streets have been painted, so the crosswalks, the stop lines, the turn

[32:51] lanes. Um, so I reached out to him and he uh quickly got that repaired. So I I

[32:55] really appreciate that. Thanks for all that. Um, also still working on the

[32:58] curbs. Um, we had Clear Horizon students come out uh this past week. Uh, we had

[33:02] about a hundred of them come out to do some gardening. Uh, 50 of those ended up

[33:06] helping me with some of the curbs. So we did Barbuda, Vaseline, um, Saxony, and

[33:11] Caprice. So, I went out on Sunday and did Barbuda and Vaseline. Um, most of

[33:16] those houses, there was one house where the car was blocking, so I couldn't do

[33:19] that one. Uh, but I'll keep going there. I've also got some on, I believe,

[33:24] Antigua, um, Vinland and Martineique that I'm also working on. So, we're

[33:28] getting through those, but I did about 15 of them on Sunday. Um, and then

[33:31] yesterday was Veterans Day. So, hope all my fellow veterans had a great day. And,

[33:34] uh, thank you for your service. >> Not much to add. I want to thank Maria.

[33:39] Over the weekend, some of the Christmas lights fell into the street due to high

[33:42] winds. So, we were able to get those out and I see sandbags on them now. So, um

[33:46] that's great. Uh city looks great. Um and that's all I have.

[33:52] » This weather has been fabulous. Um uh I'm deep in the throws of helping or

[33:59] planning the reindeer fun run. So, I'm when I'm not here, I'm doing that or I'm

[34:03] doing my two other full-time jobs or carting my kids around like an Uber. Um

[34:07] but um it's uh in we're ready to go. We have a healthy competition between the

[34:14] local area schools. I think in crazily I think that Ed White is edging out

[34:20] Robinson in the number of uh student registrants. So we really do need to

[34:24] have the Nassau Bay kids start to register so that we can't have Ed White

[34:28] beating out the [laughter] beating out Robinson Elementary. That

[34:31] would just you know not be good. So um and this year we've got a new job for

[34:36] Phil. Phil is going to be presenting the check to the winning uh students. So,

[34:41] he's going to have a nice picture with all the kids. And

[34:43] » you're taking the ear away from [laughter]

[34:47] it. >> I could give you a confetti uh thing if

[34:50] you'd like that. Um no, but what we want to do is uh have him present the check

[34:54] to the school that has the most registrants. Um this is a new thing we

[34:59] started this year and it's been really great. So, um other than that, that's

[35:03] all I've got. That's December 13th. That's the day when all the other things

[35:06] are on like holiday in the park except >> keyboards is on a different day which is

[35:10] smart to do this year so we're not all worn out by the time we listen to the

[35:13] piano music. So that's all I've got >> not too much dad. I think most

[35:18] everything's been covered. Um I'm excited for the holidays. Um I do want

[35:21] to just say thank you to all the staff and volunteers. I know we've had a

[35:25] couple of, you know, recent volunteer events at the CCISD um folks coming out

[35:29] and then also we had um Paddle, not Paddle the Peninsula Peninsula, Paddle

[35:33] Lake Nassau or >> Paddle Nassau,

[35:35] » Paddle Nassau Bay with Jim Stow. We had a bunch of veterans come out. They had a

[35:38] great time. Uh great weather that day. Um I know we have, you know, the

[35:44] reindeer fun run. We've got the Christmas boat parade coming up. There

[35:46] is I thought Nancy Lyn would be here to speak tonight, but um we will be having

[35:49] and it's in the newsletter a Christmas tree lighting taking place in the

[35:53] gazebo. I believe it's on Wednesday, December 3rd at 6:00 or 6:30. Um

[35:57] everyone is invited, so please come join us and I think we're going to doing

[36:00] wreaths in here again and then also followed by Christmas caroling. So we

[36:03] hope everyone can join us and happy holidays.

[36:07] » I've got a couple of things but it's it's some of them are are around one

[36:10] theme and you've heard a little bit bit of it. There's just a tremendous amount

[36:15] of work that I think you're going to see is going to take the city to another

[36:19] level of beautifification. I can just say thank you to the garden club and

[36:23] thank you to the CCISD and the parks and recreation folks for fall sweep uh

[36:29] putting in here. I guess it's ex fall sweep number two, but it was uh uh a

[36:33] number of different flowers were put in. They were focused on uh uh Point

[36:37] Lookout. Uh they were focused on Upper Bay Road and they were also at the

[36:42] entrance of uh of the uh the the big park, David Braun Park. Just they it

[36:48] just a lot of a lot of things were done there. And Chase, I think that was the

[36:52] biggest amount of of uh of uh street painting or or the curb painting for the

[36:58] for the numbers. >> They got a little ahead of me. I was

[37:00] like, "Guys, you don't need to do that many cuz I'm going to have to come back

[37:02] and paint all these." But they did a great job. There were 110 kids from

[37:06] CCISD. >> 50 50% were with you doing stuff. So,

[37:10] it's like 50 55 kids there. 50 55 kids helping out elsewhere. So, it it just

[37:16] showed what can happen with a little bit of volunteer and uh and a crew of CCISD

[37:22] folks. They had a great time. So, the the other uh got to give call out to the

[37:28] city staff on the painting. I don't know if you've seen it, but uh a number of

[37:33] the crosswalks, a number of the uh the area in the city has uh been painted. Uh

[37:39] they had been uh uh kind of lacking because there's been some construction.

[37:43] There's been some different things. And now that we're rolling out the street

[37:47] construction, we know exactly where we can paint and where we're not. So, uh uh

[37:52] from that standpoint, you can see that it just makes the city look better. And

[37:57] and again, that's the uh the road construction you're seeing at at least

[38:01] three sites now where they're taking out panels uh in the in the streets. We've

[38:06] taken a position that when we rather than repair a specific spot, we want to

[38:11] take the whole panel including the curves because it just looks nicer. So,

[38:15] you're going to see a whole lot of a newer view once we get over what is it

[38:20] 13 14 spots? Yeah, 13 spots that uh are going to be done and they're good size

[38:26] spots. So, it's going to it's going to just give that new feel with uh with

[38:30] there. And then you got to love the galaxy of lights down Saturn, right? So,

[38:35] a lot a lot of really good things there. Um [clears throat]

[38:40] I also want to mention uh James talked about uh Estrada and a and a restaurant

[38:46] going in there, >> excuse me, Stellas, I'm sorry. Um, but

[38:51] it's also the planning commission uh reunited the separation of that from a

[38:58] from a two plat to a one plat property in anticipation for Schaers going in

[39:04] into uh into that location. So besides anything that Pete mentioned like around

[39:09] Margaritavville, we've got two fundamental sitdown restaurants and bars

[39:14] going into uh to Nassau Bay which is just going to be a real added feature.

[39:19] And then the last I always like to really call out exceptional kind of

[39:24] activity is uh uh I think everyone's aware we had four boats that uh ended up

[39:31] trying to be abandoned in the uh in the cove and there's just a multiplicity of

[39:37] of call outs here. Um I'm going to say the police did a great job. Uh, I also

[39:43] want to say there's the cruises uh that that actually kicked it off and caught

[39:48] them in the action and communicated it. So, we were actually there uh as the as

[39:53] this was unfolding, which was really a key to us being able to to to do

[39:58] enforcement and as some of the things for for tonight. But uh had we had we

[40:03] not taken uh action, we could have been liable to have to dispose of four boats

[40:10] at probably I'm just going to guess anywhere from 20 to 25,000 maybe more a

[40:14] piece. So you're talking a 100 100k hickey to to the city. But because of

[40:20] good citizen input, because of good response and uh and being out there,

[40:25] some even with a with people out at 12:30 in the morning. Thank you, Chief.

[40:30] That uh uh that ended up being uh a really good answer. And I'm sure

[40:35] they'll, you know, we'll we can talk about others, but that's I I want to

[40:38] make sure of that. And then um just the last thing is keep uh Jerry Roth,

[40:45] citizen, in your prayers. He had a very very serious accident and uh broke his

[40:50] leg I believe in six spots and uh is on the on the on the way to uh recovery but

[40:56] it's going to be a a long haul for him. So keep him in his prayers.

[40:59] » He won't be doing the reindeer run. >> He will not he will not

[41:03] » he'll still take us he'll still take [laughter]

[41:06] » he still wants a t-shirt. >> So with that that's all I had but I just

[41:10] there's going to be a really nice look to Nassau Bay. It's already started with

[41:14] the painting and all the other stuff that's going on. It's going to look

[41:16] really really nice and is continuing to look nice. So with that I want to move

[41:20] on to the consent agenda. And with that is uh um two uh two items on here which

[41:28] is A and B which is consideration and possible action to approve the minutes

[41:32] of October 20th, 2025, the regular meeting minutes and also the uh

[41:37] consideration and possible actions. Second uh the second reading of the

[41:42] ordinance 20251020-1 of the city council of the city of

[41:46] Nassau Bay, Texas amending the code of ordinances at chapter 20 utilities and

[41:52] services establishing water and sewer rates providing details relative there

[41:56] too. Just so everyone knows with the water rates they're not changing which

[42:00] is why it's on the consent agenda. Does anybody want anything pulled off?

[42:05] Anything further comments, modifications, edits? I do have some

[42:08] modifications. Sorry. Um so if you go to um under the old business for the

[42:14] minutes um under number one 2 3 and four um it listed as Mayor Johansson. So I'm

[42:21] sure that's supposed to be Johnson. Um and then also under new business. Yeah.

[42:25] Under new business um same thing 1 2 3 4 and five need that uh that correction as

[42:31] well. Number six that was correct. Um and then under executive session um for

[42:36] both the um adjournment into executive session and the closed executive

[42:41] session, those also should be edited from Joe Hansen to Johnson. So

[42:44] » there we go. >> Unless we have a new mayor, which I'm

[42:46] not aware of. >> Swedish twin.

[42:50] » Um I [clears throat] have an edit I just saw as well under number four. Um check

[42:56] presentation to can be accepted by Daniel Wilson and Spencer Carvajal.

[42:59] Daniel wasn't there. So I would say can be accepted by Spencer Carbajal, uh,

[43:06] Jenny Castro, and Erica Berles. Those were the representatives from Cani that

[43:10] were there that I remember. >> Okay.

[43:15] » All right. >> With those edits, I would move to

[43:17] approve the consent agenda. >> Do I hear a second?

[43:20] » Second. >> Second by Haley. Any further comment?

[43:24] Then I'm going to call for the vote. All those in favor? Passes. 7 nothing. Okay,

[43:30] moving on to some things here. And just just so everyone's aware, I'm going to

[43:34] be pushing this agenda. We've got a actually a large executive session

[43:37] meeting. So, we're we're trying to protect that so we're not we're not in

[43:41] uh for for a late evening. But Paul, I think you'd like to give a council

[43:45] update on the uh the hydrillaa and the algae in the uh in Lake Nassau on the

[43:50] waterways. >> Yes, mayor. So, uh early last week, uh

[43:54] the contractors finished up the hydrillaa removal. It was um right at

[44:01] 128 cubic yards, which is about eight dump truck loads. Um we will be

[44:06] monitoring it. Everything looks good. We we looked at it actually last weekend. I

[44:10] looked at it Saturday. Uh it looks really good. He actually came back I

[44:13] think uh Tuesday. And then we're going to keep an eye on it and just see if it

[44:17] starts growing. And then we will try to stay ahead of it. and I've worked out an

[44:21] agreement with them with uh a price per day uh which is $1,950 per day for

[44:28] complete uh which is pretty cheap. So, we'll be keeping an eye on everything

[44:32] and make sure it doesn't happen again. >> The the mowing of the water I think was

[44:36] the [clears throat] but everything I've heard from people

[44:39] said it it really worked well. I've gotten some pictures of people saying it

[44:43] looks like the not the hydrilla side, but some of the algae may be trying to

[44:47] grow back, but it's really from my perspective extremely small. But that's

[44:51] that's we just keep an eye on it. Any other questions here? Because I know

[44:54] this was a big thing on council. >> Yep.

[45:00] Then moving on, the council input discussion and possible action to

[45:04] approve and authorize the city manager to execute a contract for cameras in the

[45:08] waterway and city parks. Paul, did you want to

[45:12] » Yes. So, we've [clears throat] had two presentations, one by Vicotta and one by

[45:17] uh Flock System. And the four parks that were covered was Howard World Park, Swan

[45:24] Lagoon, David Braun, and Founders Park. uh Verata

[45:29] uh proposal came in at $69,844. That's a three-year contract. That's not

[45:36] per year. This is a hardwire system. Um and uh we've also had uh two

[45:43] fingerpr,856.81.

[45:47] [music]

[45:57] And this will allow facial recognition uh for um individuals um individuals on

[46:04] boats. And then flock safety came in at 31,500 per year which comes out to

[46:11] 94,500. Uh but that does not include the

[46:15] fingerpr [music]

[46:18] um but they they will not do the facial recognition. So if I remember in the

[46:21] presentation [clears throat] apples to apples if you did include that

[46:25] ver uh verd uh or verade >> a bott cannot pronounce [laughter] that

[46:32] um is about 20% less. >> Yes sir.

[46:35] » Yep.

[46:38] » Any questions? >> I suppose my question is kind of for

[46:43] chief. you know, with us already having a flock system in place is does it make

[46:48] much sense to go in the direction of another vendor or I mean it seems like

[46:52] you should kind of go with what I mean, you know, with what we've

[46:58] got. I'm just costs are all fairly equal.

[47:03] We we are familiar with Flock. We've worked with them. We've worked with the

[47:06] uh their customer service already. Um they're very responsive. I think the

[47:12] last time I gave you an example, we had an issue with one of the flock cameras

[47:16] wasn't picking up the vehicles and they were able to take care of that remotely

[47:20] uh before coming out here. Um one of the

[47:25] the flock would be would would we would remain with only two camera systems in

[47:31] the city. We have one system for the buildings that's here of vigilanton and

[47:36] then we have flock which is the license plate readers right now. Um and they

[47:40] would we would be adding on the live camera system to the Flock platform

[47:45] already. Um Flock did uh reach out to Paul and I last week um and and they got

[47:51] the approval to put in some additional or some temporary cameras for a a pilot

[47:56] program if we if we wish to do that. So um that that's an option.

[48:02] » I have two comments. um when Flock presented in our last meeting um the

[48:08] visibility in the camera shot that they showed us um from way down the street

[48:13] that was still very visible if I'm remembering correctly. I mean thousands

[48:17] of feet away. I think that was impressive. The other thing I would say

[48:20] about facial recognition, um I didn't hear how exactly uh they go

[48:25] about that with AI, but my understanding just um with other experiences and work

[48:30] and things like that. The only way they're going to be able to recognize a

[48:34] face is if it's already in the system somehow. Um and so and I don't know of

[48:39] what benefit to you chief outside of our jurisdiction would actually

[48:44] benefit in that um for us like particularly. So, those are my two

[48:48] comments. >> Yeah, I'll turn that into a question. I

[48:51] I really don't understand why facial recognition is a discerner here

[48:56] personally cuz I feel like we're looking for uh nefarious people. We're not

[49:01] trying to figure out when, you know, James is jogging through the park. I

[49:06] don't really care about that. I don't want to I don't want to even get into

[49:10] the legal ease of of having a system that can recognize people's names. I

[49:14] just assume if you have a shot of somebody, you can take it from there,

[49:18] right? And you can go attempt to identify that person.

[49:20] » I disagree. Let me what what I guess I'd like cuz I I think Paul had some things

[49:25] here. You know, one of the things that facial recognition recognition does,

[49:30] like say we have a a pedophile or if we have somebody we know who's there and we

[49:36] know those are people in there and if they're down in the parks by the

[49:40] children's books areas or things like that, we would have absolute knowledge

[49:44] of of that going on which is if you let me and things here. The second is with

[49:50] the boats in particular this this goaround. The big part was that we

[49:55] actually caught them in the act and we were able to identify them. If we don't

[49:59] have a system to do that, those and I if I were to say if th if that had happened

[50:03] at 3:00 in the morning and we just discovered those boats in the morning,

[50:07] they would have been abandoned. we wouldn't have anything and we wouldn't

[50:10] have any any type of ability to even correspond with the owner to the facial

[50:15] to any kind of driver's license to be able to to affect, you know, the the the

[50:21] perpetrator. So, in in my mind, we have the guy now. If we even see him again

[50:26] out there with boats, we have the ability to track that. I think it's a

[50:30] it's a major advantage for us to have have that. And I I personally, it's a

[50:35] discriminator for me. And I also look at the cost is I I don't want us to compare

[50:41] 94 to 89 or 95 to 89 or 90 because that's not the same number of of uh of

[50:49] uh actual cameras. It's it's actually about 25% less 20 25% less for the

[50:55] Vicada. So I I really like those those aspects. And the hard wire part too

[51:01] which is uh the you know the the flock system is going to be solar. So any

[51:08] anything in regards to power anything along that line and any winds is we've

[51:13] seen we've had issues with that. So my my view is is having it hardwired having

[51:18] it in there. It allows for the integrity. Uh it's it's cheaper and it

[51:24] has more uh scope. I even believe if I remember with the flock they had trouble

[51:29] with some of the distance ones. The the actual the actual precision of and the

[51:35] distance for reading even license plate was better with verda verkad than with

[51:42] the flock system. And and in the demonstration I also picked up that it

[51:46] was they it had trouble you know uh uh sinking in real quickly. The ver vicad

[51:53] system was much quicker. So I I I believe it's it's a major

[51:59] uh decrease in capability for the city by going the flock system versus cate

[52:06] and I I actually wonder if it even says we may even want to move to to that in

[52:10] in further activities because it is it is things we are going to need.

[52:17] So, I like the flock LPR system because it does coordinate or talk to other

[52:23] areas around here. And does >> I think there's a huge advantage to

[52:26] that. But I was very impressed with the Vicata system when they came. And I know

[52:30] » it's a little unfair cuz they came first, but they came, they came strong,

[52:33] and I was extremely happy with what they did. And then when I saw the price

[52:36] comparison, to me it was a a better deal for something that I was impressed with.

[52:41] So, financially, Vicotta made more sense to me. I'm still

[52:44] » the only the only other thing I'll add in for council is um [clears throat] the

[52:48] verata cameras once that that's a purchase of those cameras. The flock is

[52:54] a subscription service. If we have a camera that goes down that they they'll

[52:58] replace it. If they upgrade their systems, all our cameras get

[53:01] automatically replaced um without an additional fee. Do

[53:05] » you just are you recommending flock without the you know and that you don't

[53:08] you don't want the facial recognition? >> I don't know anything about the facial

[53:12] recognition. And I don't know what the database is where they're getting the

[53:14] facial recognition. I don't I don't know the legalities. Um

[53:17] » but you're saying you'd recommend that the additional cost for the flock over

[53:21] the ver recod system. >> I I would like to see I would like to

[53:25] see us take the advantage of putting the flock system in and seeing how that

[53:28] works in our Councilwoman Summer was talking about the um the accuracy and

[53:35] the clarity. if we had those in our in our city to see how they're actually

[53:38] working like as as we do with the Vicata that we would have a comparison.

[53:42] » Paul, do you you share that? >> Um, well, Steve mentioned that uh Flock

[53:49] asked if they could put uh the pilot system, but uh the the one key thing is

[53:55] the facial recognition. It's it's I would say it can track if like the mayor

[54:02] said if we have a pedophile that's we know pedophile or someone stalking

[54:07] somebody soon as they hit our parks we will know uh we will get a hit that they

[54:12] are in our parks and I think that was one of the the big key things uh as far

[54:16] as the legalities I don't know um or but um

[54:20] » so so we know Verata has that information

[54:24] » we know they have a database of pedophiles and their names. No sir. No

[54:28] sir. >> Well then how's I think I'm trying to

[54:30] figure out are we talking technology or the ability to actually put a name to a

[54:34] face. >> Not a name just the face but not the

[54:38] information or the person. >> You can't put a name to the face then

[54:41] they can't find a >> ricotta hasn't talked to me about how

[54:43] they identify somebody what database. So that that'd be something I'd like to

[54:47] research with them a little bit further. Also the legalities of if we identify

[54:50] somebody in the charges >> they will not provide it.

[54:52] » Flock will not flock will not. But once you have the footage, you can then go do

[54:59] facial recognition. You can put it in a in a in a in a safe legal system to go

[55:04] determine who that person is. >> I also on the facial recognition want to

[55:10] understand more about how they store like for example you mentioned James

[55:14] running in the park like are they studying my face my children's faces

[55:18] like what all is being stored and how is it used? I worry about just security of

[55:23] that in general. Well, I mean, you're in public, so you

[55:27] have no privacy, right? So, you you basically it's a one party consent in

[55:31] the state of Texas. So, if you're in public, they can they can take a picture

[55:34] of you. So, you can't argue with that. Now, u my issues and kind of to talk to

[55:38] a couple of things that were mentioned here. Um the cost. I I like that it's a

[55:42] little bit cheaper with Vera. Um also, we get access to um the waterways like

[55:46] Phil was saying. Um having them at the fingertips, having them at the cove, uh

[55:50] I think with the measures that we're taking on the water would be important

[55:53] for us. Um, I did have an issue with flock. They kind of rubbed me the wrong

[55:57] way. Um, because I went back and looked at that specific location that they

[56:00] mentioned. He made a statement that it was like 2,000 ft. It was about 950 ft.

[56:05] Um, so it was about half the distance and you're still not getting the

[56:08] quality. So I had a big issue with that. Um, you know, and Lucy said that Betta

[56:13] came first and they and they, you know, came strong. I will say that they came

[56:16] first and they came prepared. Um, they knew what they were talking about. They

[56:19] were accurate with their reporting from what I could tell. um with the facial uh

[56:23] recognition, like I said, you're in public, they can take a picture of you.

[56:26] Um now, I don't anticipate that they're going to have a database with all the

[56:29] pedophiles and and people's names, but if you have accurate photos of someone's

[56:34] face, >> cuz we had an instance with a previous

[56:37] council member, their child was, you know, almost kidnapped at a park here in

[56:42] Nassau Bay. Um and if we had a photo of that person's face, we could tag that.

[56:47] Um, and then we could come back, if that person came back to the park again, we

[56:51] would be able to recognize that face. And then great, we have flock system, we

[56:54] can track the vehicle that that person was in, and we can see if that person

[56:57] comes back into our our [clears throat] um our community. So, I think for me, I

[57:01] I think more coverage um more safety for the community um and more ability for

[57:06] for the chief to have law enforcement with regard to the fingerpove

[57:11] um is very important to me. I would I would personally like to see Vicada.

[57:14] It's great that, you know, Flock would be a system that we already have. Um,

[57:19] but I don't want to just go with the system that we know. I' I'd rather go

[57:23] with the system that I believe is better. So, that's that's my two cents.

[57:28] » My two cents here. Um, I know we've covered a lot, but like Chase said, I

[57:32] think Bata was definitely the front runner. They did come prepared. Um, I do

[57:35] like the facial recognition feature. The fact that we had these boats out in the

[57:39] um the cove, I think that would have come in extremely handy. Um, and then

[57:42] from a cost perspective, I and we're not locked into this for life, so it's a

[57:46] three-year contract. If we get in there and we don't like it, we can always have

[57:48] the ability to change. But to me, Barcata was a clear front runner. My two

[57:52] cents. >> Any other comments?

[57:56] » And then we have to remember about flock that there's many other communities that

[57:59] also have flock. And so when there's a perpetrator in another community, you

[58:04] know, our our flock system will pick up if they're if this perpetrator is in our

[58:08] community. Whereas >> we'll still have that. Yeah, we'll still

[58:10] have that through >> just not just not in the parks in the

[58:14] areas. We're still having a flock, >> right? We still have the flock, but I

[58:18] like I guess we won't have all the I don't know the additional system. I

[58:21] don't know if that makes a difference or not, but

[58:23] » I I don't I don't I don't think that the uh different agencies share information,

[58:28] share the live videos, >> okay,

[58:30] » like they do the the license plate reader programs, okay,

[58:33] » um that shared because those are put in the hot list and when those numbers come

[58:36] up. Um, so I I it's it's it's not operating the same with with respect to

[58:42] sharing the information across the other agencies and the other departments and

[58:45] stuff. >> Okay. And Paul, I'm sorry you've been

[58:47] speaking very close to the microphone. I didn't hear what you said as far as like

[58:50] the cost of what's the total cost of >> uh you should have a put a packet on

[58:56] your desk. So the the total cost for Vicotta

[59:00] with the four parks only is $69,844.85.

[59:06] uh to include [music] the Nassau Bay Cove and the fingerprints is $89,856

[59:13] and flock safety for per year is 31,500 which come out to 94,500

[59:21] for the three-year period. >> Apples include the waterways,

[59:25] » but that does not include the waterways. >> I was disappointed that they didn't come

[59:28] with that as a full scope of the project. Did

[59:31] » did we ask them? >> We did. Have haven't we had these

[59:34] vericotta cameras up for like a couple months now?

[59:38] » Yes, ma'am. >> And how how are we liking them?

[59:41] » Uh so far they're good. I've been sending uh council uh video footages and

[59:46] and good okay >> uh pictures and stuff. I mean

[59:50] » uh everything that I've reviewed I mean it looks good.

[59:56] » And Paul didn't Aren't there surrounding cities that are using the ricotta system

[59:59] already? >> Yes. just uh I believe he's working with

[1:00:03] Webster um I think Harris County parks um uh there was like 10 surrounding

[1:00:12] surrounding parks beautiful cities I have them off the top of my head yes

[1:00:15] ma'am >> any other comments

[1:00:19] » yeah I would just like to caution council about the facial recognition

[1:00:22] just because whatever Varcata's facial recognition is um in identifying a

[1:00:27] vehicle or a boat or whatever and there there's going to be some legality issues

[1:00:31] that that I'm not familiar with because those are one of the reasons that Texas

[1:00:34] did away with the red light cameras. Um because we have to we have to personally

[1:00:39] identify the person who's operating the vehicle or the boat or the vessel or

[1:00:44] whatever. Um and I'm not sure that facial recognition substitutes for that.

[1:00:49] Um I I don't know if Mr. Greg has any experience in that or not, but

[1:00:52] » if I could just make a comment on that. I think that the issue with the red

[1:00:55] light cameras were like you said, we didn't know who was driving those

[1:00:58] vehicles. um it may have been registered to somebody, but you don't necessarily

[1:01:01] have a photo of them. Facial recognition is a little bit different in that it's

[1:01:04] not your vehicle. It's literally your face. Um unless there is some kind of

[1:01:08] like mask or something that they're trying to put on, [clears throat] which

[1:01:10] I would imagine you would likely be able to tell um through a facial recognition.

[1:01:14] So, I mean, that would be my my counterargument to the red light camera

[1:01:17] being a comparable situation.

[1:01:23] » Any other comments? >> I guess I'd just like to ask, Mr. Greg,

[1:01:27] do you do you have any opinions on facial recognition or any of that stuff?

[1:01:30] » I haven't had a chance to look at it. I I don't know. I'm sure there be some

[1:01:35] issues, but it sounds it sounds to me like it's distinguishable, but I'm not

[1:01:38] sure. >> But we I mean, if there was something

[1:01:41] that there you could always turn it off. It's still cheaper.

[1:01:47] » Well, then any other comments? Any other >> Yeah, just just it it says it will allow

[1:01:52] for it. So, like what you said, I would imagine we could turn off that feature.

[1:01:55] » Yeah. Then I'd ask for a motion.

[1:02:02] » I would move to approve and authorize the city manager to exe execute a

[1:02:06] contract for cameras in the waterways and city parks with Vicada.

[1:02:09] » Do we hear a second? Second by Ashley. Any other comments?

[1:02:15] I'm going to call for the vote. All those in favor?

[1:02:20] All those not? >> Passes four to three.

[1:02:29] Okay, next is the uh council input and discussion and

[1:02:36] possible action. Uh this is probably more for discussion, but uh regarding

[1:02:40] emergency response on the waterways. You know what, this is something Paul and I

[1:02:46] wanted to put on this because it was really wanted to get the feel from from

[1:02:49] council. One of the things that was probably the

[1:02:54] most frustrating is having people continue to do activities out on the

[1:03:00] water and our ability to, you know, our lack of ability to be able to do

[1:03:06] anything. I mean, uh, uh, there was some some ability to try to do with

[1:03:11] spotlights or anything like that, but but they kept proceeding even though we

[1:03:15] had police out there with with Q beams and doing stuff. It was just it was even

[1:03:20] there I even asked talked to one of the officers and they they were there saying

[1:03:24] well there's we don't we don't have anything we don't want to bring the big

[1:03:27] boat out because of we've got to get everything coordinated and we don't have

[1:03:31] anything to be able to actually respond when we see something illegal happening

[1:03:37] on the water right in our waterways. So the the question was and and this was

[1:03:42] also for for the chief, you know, what are things that we should be looking at

[1:03:46] to see how we can respond other than bringing out the big safety boat and uh

[1:03:52] and and that because that takes that takes, you know, time and it's also a

[1:03:56] big expense and it usually relies on our our volunteer fire department. What are

[1:04:01] what are some of the things here? Paul, I don't know if you wanted to add

[1:04:04] anything to that or

[1:04:08] » um it it was mentioned about uh drone a drone uh possibly. Um I'm reaching out

[1:04:15] to some some companies to see if that's something they could look at. Um I know

[1:04:20] the surrounding cities are looking at uh some things on the water also. uh what

[1:04:28] kind of what is say >> some some other cities are looking at

[1:04:31] some type of uh the vessels and and what to do about different types of things.

[1:04:36] So um it's it's a big discussion with the other cities right now. Um but you

[1:04:41] know one is is maybe a possibly uh if this is something that we want to

[1:04:45] discuss and budget uh uh to purchase another boat or a drone or something

[1:04:51] like that. I mean, >> any any any thoughts here from

[1:04:55] » what does a drone bias? Can we use drone footage for is that illegal?

[1:05:00] » That that's something that uh they're looking into right now. A company I'm

[1:05:04] working with is looking into it cuz it's kind of new. Uh not the drone, but the

[1:05:10] footage and you know, if it's going to be some kind of lights and then the you

[1:05:14] know have to get you from the manpower, how that's going to work out and all

[1:05:18] that. So, >> but I mean I mean I what I don't

[1:05:20] understand with a drone is I I I get certain parts of it which is you're no

[1:05:27] longer standing at the edgeway. You actually have a tool that would put you

[1:05:33] within 10 ft, right? But it's still cameras. It's still things like that.

[1:05:38] You could have a a a verbal exchange. I don't know if that buys anything for for

[1:05:44] you from this. I I I think it could, but I I don't know.

[1:05:51] I have I don't I don't know, mayor, and I'll be honest with council. This is

[1:05:54] first I'm hearing a discussion about having a drone and using it for anything

[1:05:57] like that. Um hasn't been discussed. So again, we'd have to be looking at

[1:06:02] legalities, how things operate. I will tell you that the incident the other a

[1:06:06] week and a half ago, two weeks ago, whatever it was, um that night there

[1:06:10] [clears throat] was a there was a a cold front coming through the northern um I

[1:06:13] did talk to Tom George and he and I made the decision for officer safety and the

[1:06:17] fire to p personnel safety. There was no life or or limb endangerment going on

[1:06:22] out on the waters at that time for us to put the water in

[1:06:24] » sledgehammer for for drivers. >> So yeah, so I mean we made the decision

[1:06:29] we weren't putting the boat in the water for off for the safety of our personnel

[1:06:32] to go out there. I mean, look, look at what happened last week just over in

[1:06:35] Texas City. They, you know, they were in a life and death situation with a boat

[1:06:38] out in the water. Same situation up front coming through and they lo they

[1:06:41] had their boat overturned and they had six firefighters go in the water that

[1:06:44] ended up in the hospital. So, for that decision, you know, that was our

[1:06:48] decision as an operational thing that that it wasn't worth just to find out

[1:06:52] who's out there with the boats. We had identified those boats previously. I'd

[1:06:57] been working with those boats, at least the big blue one, since October the 8th.

[1:07:01] So, this was something that we were going on. We already had identified or

[1:07:04] thought we had identified the owners of that boat. Um, then the other three

[1:07:08] boats came up. We actually um I did end up coming out at midnight, 12:30 in the

[1:07:12] morning. Sergeant Bane was already talking to the wife of the uh because we

[1:07:16] had the information on the on the van. Um he was talking to the wife of the

[1:07:20] gentleman who was on the boat. We spoke with him by speaker phone, identified

[1:07:23] him and all three of the um boats that were there. I went over to his house the

[1:07:27] next morning, talked to him, advised him about our city ordinance that boats

[1:07:30] needed to be moved. Of course, the water was going down. He was able to get one

[1:07:34] of those out by Wednesday evening. Obviously, Thursday, if anybody went out

[1:07:37] there and looked to the bigger boat was still in the water, the other two boats

[1:07:41] were laying on their side because they were basically beached because the water

[1:07:44] was so low. Um, but once that water rose next morning on Friday, again, I asked

[1:07:49] him for a timeline. He didn't give us timeline, went out there, we filed

[1:07:52] charges on him, and those boats were moved by that evening. But but we also

[1:07:55] know that one of those boats is on the creek side now. It's in Galveston

[1:07:59] County. It's not in our jurisdiction, but that's that's what kind of no man's

[1:08:03] land and it's still and it's still there.

[1:08:06] » Yeah. It's kind of in in that no man's land triangular area over there.

[1:08:09] » So, and and that's outside our jurisdiction and I know that uh Lake

[1:08:14] City is looking at spearheading some kind of talks with all of the uh

[1:08:20] agencies and cities around the lake. My my suggestion here would be I mean you

[1:08:27] you you've made it you've expressed it you know concern like with a jet ski or

[1:08:31] something like that particular if only one officer goes out there that there's

[1:08:34] safety issues there. >> Absolutely.

[1:08:36] » Right. I get that. You know, I I also am very concerned that, you know, with, you

[1:08:41] know, regardless even those the safety things there, I have I' I've crossed the

[1:08:47] bridge where I I really don't want to put our volunteer fire department out in

[1:08:52] enforcement type activities, too. I I think that's really putting them in a

[1:08:57] place we don't want them. That's not their role. That's not their job. So

[1:09:02] just just like you know we did with the with the uh the cameras and things like

[1:09:07] that for the vandalism that we saw in the parks we came here. Can can we ask

[1:09:11] you to kind of like look at that benchmark what other people are doing

[1:09:15] because you know there's there's nothing more frustrating for you know I'll say

[1:09:20] for me to see your guys out there trying to flag down and people flipping you

[1:09:24] guys the bird saying you know you can't get me and and we we we have to have

[1:09:30] something better than than that than just Q beams from the side. We I I can

[1:09:35] check. I know League City's looking at in

[1:09:39] enhancing their enforcement, but 90% of what they're looking at is within their

[1:09:43] marinas and uh not necessarily out in the middle of the lake or out in the

[1:09:48] middle of the cove or out in the middle of the creek. They're dealing with

[1:09:51] they're dealing with other issues within their marinas. I know Seabbrook has

[1:09:54] issues with th you know, with people living on their boats out there that are

[1:09:59] anchored out there off of Seabbrook and and and that's a big problem. And I've

[1:10:02] talked to the chief over there and Well, they don't have they don't have an

[1:10:05] answer for that. >> I would really like from the police

[1:10:07] perspective just to say if we you know what would we need to be able to enhance

[1:10:12] our ability to intervene and and be able to do things if we particularly if we

[1:10:18] see something that needs immediate, you know, immediate response. You know, you

[1:10:22] can talk about if there's, you know, just any reasons other than, you know,

[1:10:26] looking at at getting the the big boat out.

[1:10:29] » We we can research it. Again, it goes back to manpower again. So we have two

[1:10:33] officers working and not going to put one officer out, you know, on a boat or

[1:10:37] anything by themselves. I'm not going to take two officers off the street and put

[1:10:40] them on a boat and have nobody on, you know, the rest of the city. So again,

[1:10:43] we're talking about a manpower issue either also. So, but we can we can

[1:10:47] research it and see what the other >> because I'd really like from y'all if

[1:10:50] you would like to say, hey, from your team to say, hey, what what what are

[1:10:53] some things we could do more than, you know, being at the edge of the water?

[1:10:58] And and that's as far as we go. We can look into it. I don't know what

[1:11:02] other people think. >> No, I I agree. Um because being out in

[1:11:05] the open water or being out in Clear Lake adjacent to Nassau Bay is

[1:11:08] definitely different than coming in where within the city limits of Nassau

[1:11:12] Bay. >> Correct.

[1:11:13] » Um and I do have a question. So if if there's a crime on my street and you can

[1:11:18] use my Ring camera for that, can you use a private drone footage for a crime

[1:11:22] within Nassau Bay city limits on the water? So private drones, there's part

[1:11:25] of the Texas part of the Texas statute that says that that uh it is a violation

[1:11:30] of state law to use a drone for uh surveillance purposes.

[1:11:34] » So we'd have to have stationary cameras to

[1:11:36] » unless part of his law >> Oh, unless it's part of his law

[1:11:39] enforcement. Okay. >> Yeah. Law enforcement had obviously

[1:11:42] different different guidance. >> My view would be as far and I do use a

[1:11:45] big big honking drone with you know Nassau baby. No, but we [laughter]

[1:11:50] already have great. >> But your question was about private

[1:11:53] drones. And I I would I would say no because it that that doesn't fit the

[1:11:56] statute and it actually violates the statute using private drones for

[1:12:00] surveillance. >> Right.

[1:12:02] » So just because it's a drone, not because it's private, because a ring

[1:12:05] camera would count, >> right? Ring ring cameras. Yeah. Those if

[1:12:09] there's footage on there that enhances us and we've we've used those before.

[1:12:13] » Yeah. Oh, but yeah. I think what the issue is the ring

[1:12:18] camera is catching like a public street like it's just recording what's

[1:12:22] happening in front of it. A drone is going like into someone's backyard and

[1:12:25] then that becomes a Fourth Amendment issue. Um if they're going to use it,

[1:12:28] it's an offense if the if a private citizen is doing it. That's under the

[1:12:32] statute what the chief is saying. But I think

[1:12:34] » if you and my concern with using the drone as compared to like cameras facing

[1:12:39] the public is that it could trigger some issues with an unlawful search.

[1:12:44] » Yeah. Okay. I'm just curious. Thank you. >> Any any other comments? Are people okay

[1:12:49] with that?

[1:12:53] » Okay. With what? >> Okay.

[1:12:55] » You know, having him take a look at it, come back with benchmarks and and make

[1:12:58] some recommendations. >> Yeah, I would definitely want to see

[1:13:00] what the parameters are going to be like. If it's going to be specifically

[1:13:03] used like for the cove when it's like dangerous weather outside, that's

[1:13:06] probably not an issue. But if it's something the police department who's

[1:13:09] going to car launch use, I would have an issue with that.

[1:13:12] » But I mean, I I I used just like with the cameras, it started off with them

[1:13:16] with the police looking at the different things and and I'd really like to

[1:13:19] understand that cuz I I really don't want to have the volunteer fire

[1:13:23] department on enforcement. >> I can do some research with the other

[1:13:26] agencies and see what they're doing. you know, some of the agencies,

[1:13:30] » Lake View PD, KMA PD, they don't even have they don't have any boats.

[1:13:34] » So, >> interesting.

[1:13:35] » You know, it just depends on different agencies and but we we'll see if anybody

[1:13:40] has any >> if anybody has any magic

[1:13:43] if if any of the other agencies have any magic bullets or, you know, something

[1:13:47] that we can use, you know, that they're that,

[1:13:49] » you know, other than, you know, from the shoreline at at that particular time.

[1:13:54] » Okay. >> So, drones are also limited due to the

[1:13:56] weather and stuff like that, too. So, it depends on the cost and you know how

[1:14:00] much we want to spend on a drone. So, but we'll look into it.

[1:14:03] » Okay. >> Okay,

[1:14:04] » that works. >> And thank you for sending like going out

[1:14:07] to the house and trying to figure out who these people are. It's really

[1:14:09] appreciated. >> Yeah, we had we had I thought we had

[1:14:13] identified the the owners of a couple that were living in Seabbrook, but we

[1:14:17] didn't have actual addresses and then we found out later on that it was actually

[1:14:21] somebody ownership here in in Nassau Bay. So,

[1:14:24] » you lived in Nassau Bay? >> I'm sorry. the people in the the lady in

[1:14:28] the van lives in Nassau Bay. >> Mhm.

[1:14:32] » Yes, ma'am. >> Go get her.

[1:14:35] So, thank you. >> Thank you.

[1:14:38] All right. Next is consideration and possible actions. This is a first

[1:14:43] reading of an ordinance uh 2025-1112-1-

[1:14:49] an ordinance amending ordinance number uh 02020-793

[1:14:56] of the city council of the city of Nassau Bay, Texas to amend chapter 9

[1:15:00] health and sanitary health and sanitation article 1 in general section

[1:15:05] 9-1 neglected or deteriorated vessels by clarifying the the definition of

[1:15:12] offender and the addition of another condition, precedent. And uh this this

[1:15:17] is basically just out of the the the incident that we had. Uh I think Dick

[1:15:23] Greg was our our city council was uh councelor was uh uh asked if there's

[1:15:28] ways in which we can uh tighten our ordinance just to be able to provide

[1:15:33] even more uh uh support for the police and and tightening up because the end of

[1:15:41] the day if we had ended up with these four vessels it would have been an

[1:15:46] extraordinarily expensive you know uh impact on uh on the city. So, anything

[1:15:52] that we could do to uh to tighten that is what was asked of the uh city

[1:15:57] attorney, >> which is what we did. Whether owned or

[1:16:00] not, it clarifies it. It was already on the books, but it

[1:16:04] worked as as it was written, but this makes it a little clearer.

[1:16:08] » So, I think you ought to do it. >> You want to you want to specifically,

[1:16:13] you know, you got it in the yellow, right?

[1:16:14] » Yeah. The yellow the yellow portion says whether owner by that person or not. It

[1:16:18] just it basically deals with an offender who is a person who permits the the

[1:16:23] unmanned vessel, whoever owns it. And that's where that's what that's for.

[1:16:28] » Yep. >> So, what does this currently do for us?

[1:16:30] Whether I mean, I know we're adding the whether owned by a person or not, but

[1:16:34] how do we currently use or how can we currently use this?

[1:16:38] » Well, you still have to know who that person is, whether they're the owner or

[1:16:42] not the owner. You you need the ownership alone. Just like if your car

[1:16:46] was stolen and something happened to it, it wouldn't be your fault if you didn't

[1:16:50] do the stealing. So the same problem with the boat. We got to we got to

[1:16:53] identify who who's the culprit, who the offender is. This does make it clear you

[1:16:58] don't have to be the owner. So, so what has become a trend out on the water is

[1:17:04] that people leave boats in marinas that are abandoned and then the marina owners

[1:17:10] who are not the owner of the boats want to get rid of the boats and they bring

[1:17:14] them out and they abandon them in public areas like

[1:17:19] » like the cove. There's there's a number of them out on Clear Lake. It's a

[1:17:23] problem. of things going on here. And to to me, that's a that's a minimum of what

[1:17:29] what we should do is to make sure that we're not just going after the owner. We

[1:17:32] want the perpetrator. And the perpetrator

[1:17:36] is more than likely not going to be the owner in what we've seen with the

[1:17:39] » often it's not. >> Often it's not.

[1:17:42] » So, I guess I expected this to result in a fine or some kind of what what's the

[1:17:47] result of violating this ordinance? >> Well, the court can set the fine for the

[1:17:52] highest amount allowed by law. It's up to the court

[1:17:54] » which is what >> depends on depends on the violation but

[1:17:58] it's typically uh it would be it would be up to in one

[1:18:03] instance 200 right >> uh I'd have to look at it there are

[1:18:07] certain exceptions to the 2000 the the 2000 maximum fine that has to deal with

[1:18:12] health and safety um and some other things um so

[1:18:15] » which is why we were maximum law because it depends on how it comes into the

[1:18:19] court charge let me ask the question here is with abandoned boats with no

[1:18:23] lights, wouldn't that be a safety and be maximum penalty?

[1:18:26] » That would be the argument. Is that what we did with this last one?

[1:18:31] » No, we we file we filed this particular ordinance is what we filed for the uh

[1:18:35] derelict and um neglected vessels. Um no lighting and stuff like that would come.

[1:18:41] You >> file that as a part of a ticket?

[1:18:43] » Yeah, >> it was filed with the court. Yes, it's

[1:18:45] cited and filed with the court. >> That's pending right now. It's it is

[1:18:49] pending and and then it'll be it'll be up to the judge to make the decision.

[1:18:53] Judge Williamson will >> find it have in here the safety aspects

[1:18:56] of it versus just the derelic side of it.

[1:18:59] » It has the maximum allowed by law and that then it just says if you leave it

[1:19:02] abandoned it's a violation. It's up to the court to determine how it fits.

[1:19:06] Yeah, I'm very sure what you safety >> you you mentioned that there were

[1:19:10] different categories >> and that the maximum is safety and I was

[1:19:16] looking at this was to me is an obvious safety. I'm not sure that's actually

[1:19:20] what happened. >> Yeah, that would be up that would be up

[1:19:23] to Judge Williamson to decide if it if it was eligible for that $2,000 maximum

[1:19:28] because there's that's not every class C misdemeanor.

[1:19:30] » Not every one of them doesn't fit >> doesn't fit into that. as as part of our

[1:19:33] as part of what when you file that, do you do you state safety issues or

[1:19:38] anything along that line or how how would she

[1:19:41] » was in the police department or what? >> Yeah, our police department with when we

[1:19:44] when >> we we just filed the charge. We just

[1:19:46] filed the charge. >> You don't have any any information about

[1:19:49] safety issues or anything like that? How how would she even know there was a

[1:19:52] safety issue? the ordinance itself, the the language

[1:19:56] in the ordinance, whether it fits in to the to the portion of the state code

[1:20:01] that allows the $2,000 maximum. Not every not every charges in in the

[1:20:05] municipal court, >> but if the evidence presented, and I'll

[1:20:08] defer to our the two lawyers, but if if the evidence doesn't suggest there's

[1:20:12] safety issues, how would a judge know there's a safety to by

[1:20:16] » the language by the language of the I'm sorry, Mr. Greg, go ahead.

[1:20:19] » That's all right. It would be what evidence presented at the time of the

[1:20:22] charge, too. will be presented in court on that at

[1:20:25] that time. So my question was that presented with this to have safety

[1:20:29] issues >> not necessarily violation.

[1:20:32] » The the charge was filed just as the ordinance violation

[1:20:35] » as a violation of this violation. >> But was there any information

[1:20:39] done where it indicated the safety aspects

[1:20:43] » that would be Can I interrupt for a second? When you write a citation when

[1:20:46] you write a ticket right you g you gave him a citation correct? Mhm.

[1:20:50] » And so when you detail on the ticket, you say um so and so did not mor their

[1:20:55] vessel or what whatever or so and so violation of city ordinance. Uh

[1:21:00] » but then with the statute with the U section and then the title of the

[1:21:04] offense, >> but you might write in there.

[1:21:07] » I mean on class E citations I've seen there is a place where you can detail

[1:21:10] what happened >> like there is space.

[1:21:14] » Not not normally when it's filed with the court.

[1:21:18] So they so Holly wouldn't know if nobody, you know, was there that there

[1:21:22] would be a safety issue because we just we just did this and some boats were out

[1:21:26] on our water. >> Right. She she she would set the fine

[1:21:32] not for the individual offenses, but for the statute or or the ordinance itself.

[1:21:38] Mhm. >> And she would have to look at all the

[1:21:40] language in the ordinance to determine whether that where that would fit in her

[1:21:45] fine window or h how would we how can we arm her better? Cuz I I I can't think of

[1:21:52] anything more dangerous than four boats in the middle of a cove which can have

[1:21:57] up to 150 people in it. And you know when in the in the peak where people are

[1:22:02] trying to drive at night sometimes if it's if it's empty it's even worse cuz

[1:22:06] people even though we have a no wake will go through there 30 40 mph.

[1:22:11] » Well I guess I'm not being clear enough. It's not the language of the individual

[1:22:16] charge for the individual incident. It's the language of the ordinance how it's

[1:22:22] written. And then there's a maximum usually the the class C the charges

[1:22:28] filed in the city court are maximum of $500 fine. There's a there's there are a

[1:22:33] couple of sections or a couple of caveats where they can be up to 2,000

[1:22:38] but it has to be >> but it has to be

[1:22:41] » it has to fit within certain criteria within the statute

[1:22:44] » and then that has to be determined by the court. Does it fit?

[1:22:47] » That's what I was wondering. Does it have anything to do with how do we

[1:22:51] » instance? How do we help you be able to cuz I I would want it to be very clear

[1:22:56] to a judge without any ambiguity >> because language is already in the

[1:23:00] ordinance. >> Yeah. Yeah. I don't think you want to be

[1:23:02] too specific because then you limit yourself to what you can charge people.

[1:23:06] » Exactly. Right. I I get that. But at the same time, I don't what I what I

[1:23:10] understand is what I heard, and maybe I heard it wrong,

[1:23:14] » was that h our judge, Holly William, Judge Williamson, wouldn't have the data

[1:23:20] to be able to say whether there was a safety issue or not, she'd have the

[1:23:26] facts of the case itself. >> So, so when the judge sets a fine, so

[1:23:30] let's let's and I don't want to speak for the judge,

[1:23:33] and Mr. Greg, correct me if I'm wrong. So, let's say running a red light. The

[1:23:37] judge sets a fine for running a red light, uh, a window fine. If somebody

[1:23:41] wants to come in and pay it with the court without having to come to court,

[1:23:45] they can pay that fine. Uh, they can mail it in or pay it at the window or

[1:23:48] whatever. She sets that fine. Not because

[1:23:53] Mr. Jones ran a red light and nobody was around or Mr. Jones ran a red light and

[1:23:57] there was, you know, full traffic. She doesn't take that into account. She

[1:24:01] takes into account the offense as it's written and what's in the offense.

[1:24:05] » But but I I would look at a different analogy that would better describe

[1:24:08] because that's just a one criteria. I look at speeding. If you have a speeding

[1:24:12] ordinance, but then we have reckless driving, which is 20 mph over the speed

[1:24:19] limit. You don't say what the speed limit is and just say speeding. How

[1:24:23] would somebody know to do a reckless driving other than what is cited?

[1:24:27] » Reckless. Reckless driving is is a whole separate separate offense from charge

[1:24:31] from. >> So let me ask you this is do you do you

[1:24:34] feel and that and again that's why I was really that the safety aspect to drive a

[1:24:40] a higher penalty just like reckless driving is a higher penalty is

[1:24:47] identified in this ordinance so that the judge would be able to see the

[1:24:50] difference between a reckless driver and a speeder.

[1:24:55] » Yes. the the information the information is already written in the language of

[1:24:58] the ordinance. >> Okay.

[1:24:59] » There. >> Okay.

[1:25:04] » Is there a time factor to this? So, if you put a boat out for 30 days, is it

[1:25:09] the same penalty as one day? >> 48 hours.

[1:25:13] » My understanding is it's 48 hours and it's an offense for every day you leave

[1:25:16] » every 48 48 hours and >> every day. So, the way it reads is it

[1:25:20] says for 48 hours. That's the the change in number eight. And then if you look at

[1:25:25] the um penalty itself at the end of that says each day of violation shall be

[1:25:29] deemed a separate offense. So I think once you hit that 48 hours every single

[1:25:33] day you're committing a new offense out there.

[1:25:36] » So on Friday when the gentleman was issued a citation

[1:25:40] » when I met with him at his house and issued a citation.

[1:25:45] » I announced that this is your first citation

[1:25:49] that every day was a separate violation. Those boats were moved by Friday

[1:25:53] evening. I bet that's right. That's how it should be. So, let me and um from

[1:25:59] here that 48 hours or we weren't 48 hours. How were you able to to do that

[1:26:04] within the 48 hours or is there something we need to help you with with

[1:26:07] that? >> My understanding is it takes 48 hours of

[1:26:11] a duration in order for the first trigger for that. But we were able to

[1:26:16] » No, for the for the for the ordinance, the der neglected

[1:26:20] » for the presumption of abandonment. >> The presumption. Yeah, sure.

[1:26:24] » That ordinance, that ordinance wasn't dealing anything with it wasn't dealing

[1:26:28] anything with abandonment. It was dealing with the condition of boat and

[1:26:31] the registration and that's what we were working on doing verifying the

[1:26:35] registration. >> Not abandoned but unmanned and and left

[1:26:37] there for 48 hours. >> Not not focusing on

[1:26:42] » I was focusing on on the condition of the boat and the last

[1:26:45] » the last element on there is is proper registration and that boat's not

[1:26:49] properly registered. No question. Or lit or anything like that at night.

[1:26:53] » Yeah. When when you when these boats get um you know left there, do you see like

[1:26:57] the registration all that stripped off >> sometimes? Yeah. Okay.

[1:27:01] » Yeah. We cannibalize them a lot. >> Yeah.

[1:27:04] » Yeah. I represent See Shipyard and they run into that problem a lot.

[1:27:08] » Yeah. >> One of one of the one of the two boats

[1:27:11] that we we ended up taking uh out of the water last year. Uh, one of the two

[1:27:15] boats did not have proper TX number and we had to get the uh we had to get the

[1:27:19] um uh marine um North Northstar Marine where we had the

[1:27:25] boat stored. We had to get them to get us the whole number off of the uh veh

[1:27:28] off the vessel so we could identify it. >> So, so this ordinance is allowing you to

[1:27:33] do what you did, you know, with it not being properly registered and all these

[1:27:37] other things. And then on top of that, if someone just goes and parks a boat

[1:27:40] out there for 48 hours, that then gives you the ability to enforce this or do

[1:27:44] some >> Not as it stands now. No,

[1:27:46] » that's what I'm saying. Like that's what it it reads right now. The new addition

[1:27:48] that number eight. >> Not not what's currently on there.

[1:27:52] » No, no, no, not what's currently on there. Yeah.

[1:27:54] » Okay. >> Okay.

[1:27:56] » Um I have one comment. What if someone was to secure their vessel to the city

[1:28:03] docks off Upper Bay Road? Brian Brown, >> that's not an anchor point. So then we

[1:28:08] have to think about maybe we need to say or secures to any object.

[1:28:15] » Did you hear from Brian Brown? >> Yes. He's concerned about that.

[1:28:18] » He he cuz when when uh cuz I I directed him about his maritime committee and

[1:28:24] they talked and I'm and I'm glad you raised that is uh they didn't want the

[1:28:30] now city-owned fingerps. They used to be homeowners owned things, but they're now

[1:28:36] city-owned. And how this ordinance applies to those finger finger peers on

[1:28:41] Upper Bay Road. >> Doesn't number eight cover that cuz it's

[1:28:44] not a private slip or private dock. >> Well, they're not private anymore.

[1:28:48] » Yeah, they're not. >> So, [clears throat] it's unmanned and

[1:28:50] left secured to an anchor point, not located in a private slip or dock.

[1:28:54] » So, that [clears throat] is a public slip. So, just to make sure it's cuz I

[1:28:59] » Okay. What about a tree >> that I think

[1:29:02] » on the peninsula? >> It's not private.

[1:29:04] » It's not a private dock. >> Yeah. So, if it's not anchored to a

[1:29:06] private dock or a private slip. So, if it's anchored to the finger piers, which

[1:29:10] is public, or to a tree, that is not a private slip or a private dock, and it

[1:29:13] would fall under that. >> Is that considered an anchor point? I

[1:29:16] don't really know. Is it like you anchor? Anywhere you anchor that you

[1:29:19] just tie, that's an anchor point. I don't know the boat verbiage. So, okay.

[1:29:28] What? No, I think it's Yeah, as long as that's covered, I'm I'm I'm

[1:29:35] good. >> I think and also with with it being a

[1:29:39] tree or something of that sort, I think that might fall under number four, it's

[1:29:43] has broken loose or is in danger of breaking loose from its anchor point.

[1:29:46] And if it's not really or from its anchor, if if it's tied to a to a tree,

[1:29:49] I think that that would be in danger of breaking loose. So, would potentially

[1:29:53] fall under that. Yep.

[1:29:56] » This is just a first reading, right? >> This is just a first reading.

[1:30:00] » Yep. >> But how And also, how do we prove that

[1:30:02] someone's been off of this boat for 48 hours? [clears throat]

[1:30:06] » Well, it' be great to have cameras out there. [laughter]

[1:30:09] » I don't know. >> I mean, we've also we could be strict

[1:30:13] enough that we say you can't be anchored or docked or whatever in Nassau Bay on a

[1:30:18] non-private anything overnight. >> We want to take it a step further. I'm

[1:30:23] not saying you want to do I mean I don't know if you want to do I don't think

[1:30:26] because we're still a recreational thing and if somebody's out there if you got a

[1:30:30] properly motorized registered lit boat with with all your

[1:30:38] safety gear and everything like that you should be able to anchor

[1:30:42] in the cove. >> Agreed. But can I anchor outside your

[1:30:46] house for 3 weeks? You can you can there's there's uh certain limits as to

[1:30:53] how far they can be to a fixed fixed sense and as long as they're outside

[1:30:58] that whatever. Yeah. Then they should be they do.

[1:31:00] » Okay. But don't leave your boat for more than 48 hours.

[1:31:03] » But you don't leave your boat more than 48 hours.

[1:31:05] » Uncrude. But but it has to be a functioning boat

[1:31:09] too, >> right?

[1:31:12] » Okay. That's what we want. >> Yeah. These are these are neglected or

[1:31:15] deteriorating. >> Correct. Correct.

[1:31:17] » Correct. Just throw that out there. >> No, I think that's good. So, what I'm

[1:31:22] hearing is this is holding up. We got the one the uh the change identified by

[1:31:27] the uh city attorney and hold this over to a second reading.

[1:31:32] » Correct. >> And move on.

[1:31:36] » Okay. Then with that, I want us to move into

[1:31:41] executive session. It is uh 8:20. The city council will now hold a closed

[1:31:46] executive session pursuant to the provision of chapter 551

[1:31:50] uh Texas Government Code in accordance with the authority contained in one

[1:31:55] section 551-087 Texas Government Code to deliberate

[1:32:00] regarding economic development negotiations and two section 551-071

[1:32:06] the Texas government code consultation with attorney close meeting on a matter

[1:32:09] in which the duty of the attorney to the government body under the Texas display

[1:32:13] rules or professional conduct of the state bar of Texas clearly confessects

[1:32:17] with this charter or chapter. It is again 8:21. What?

[3:26:56] is 10:16 and we are back in open session. Do I hear a motion? Move to

[3:27:02] ajourn. Second. >> Do I have the vote? All those in favor?

[3:27:07] Passes. 7 nothing. Maria, do >> you want to make a post?

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