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» Tess. All right.
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>> Thank you, Sophie.
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>> Good evening, everybody. Our August 24,
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2026 meeting is called to order. We're
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going to begin the meeting with um
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prayer first and then we're going to
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recite the pledge together. Will we
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stand for prayer and pledge at this
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time?
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Let us pray. Oh dear God, we come before
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you once again thanking you for the
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opportunity to serve such a great
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community. God, it's my prayer and
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desire that individuals who live here
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will begin to see how special, how great
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of a community that this really is. I
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know many do, but I pray that even more
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so will. Lord God, I thank you that you
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would keep us safe again as we are
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looking at a calendar of of events, that
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those would be put on well, that they
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would be uh well attended, that people
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will enjoy themselves, take in
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everything that Nakatish has to offer.
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God, we also thank you for the meeting
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that's before us tonight. uh there are
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some agenda items. We pray that we uh
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will be willing and able to voice our
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opinions, but that we will do it in an
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orderly way. We will do it in a
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respectful way. Always reminded of what
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the scripture says. Whatever we do, let
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us do it decently and in order. So I
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pray that that's what we do on tonight.
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Thank you for keeping us, keeping our
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youth, and that we continue to make the
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city of Nakadesh a better place. It's in
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your son Jesus name we ask. Amen.
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>> Amen. And will you please join us in
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reciting the pledge of
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>> allegiance
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to the flag of the United States of
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America and to the republic for which it
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stands. One nation under God,
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indivisibley
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for all.
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>> All right. Awesome. Thank you all so
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much. Our next item on the agenda is the
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reading and approval of the minutes from
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our most recent meeting on August 10th.
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>> May I make a motion that we dispense
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with the reading of the minutes of
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August August 10th and that the minutes
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be adopted as recorded.
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>> Second.
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Motion's made and seconded. Any comments
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or questions about this particular
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motion?
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>> All right. Seeing none, Mr. Stacy, roll
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call vote.
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>> Eli,
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>> yes. Nelson,
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>> yes.
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>> Smith, Kirkindall,
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>> yes.
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>> Harrington,
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>> yes.
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>> PT,
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>> yes.
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>> That motion carries.
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>> Before we move on, I just want to share
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some instructions that we share every
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meeting. The city council encourages
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public participation
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um and appreciates it when citizens
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bring their issues of community concern
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to their attention. Individuals w
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wishing to address the council on any
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agenda item may do so at the time the
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agenda item is considered. Comments are
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limited to three minutes per speaker.
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This time may be reduced if there are
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numerous speakers on a particular item.
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Members of the audience members of the
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audience should respect the rights of
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others and shall not create noise or
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other disturbances to disrupt or disturb
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persons who are addressing the city
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council. All persons addressing the city
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council shall speak in a civil and
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courteous manner. Speakers shall address
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the agenda topic to which they're
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speaking on and shall not be repetitive
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and we ask that you would adhere to
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those instructions. Also, we would ask
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if you take the moment now to go ahead
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and silence uh your cell phones uh so
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that we won't have any interruptions. We
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do have a special guest tonight. Uh we
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have Mr.
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Harold Bayan, chairman of the Nacades
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Community Improvement Foundation. And uh
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we want Mr. Harab Bayan to uh uh to go
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to the podium and certainly start out by
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stating your first and last name and
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just share um what uh you're here for.
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Um we do know that um the Nagas
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Community Improvement Foundation uh
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certainly helped many of our youth out
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this summer and Mr. Harold's going to
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talk about that. Go ahead, Mr. Bay.
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>> Yes, I'm Harold Bayan,
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chairman of Nagash Community Improvement
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Foundation.
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I'm here in reference to our foundation
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and the mission and the work that we do.
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Our mission is community improvement,
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low housing development, recreations for
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youth, educations,
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grants, sponsorships, donations,
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and this year we tried to do every last
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one of them.
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We are and I would like to also
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give a shout out to the department heads
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for the city for all the work that you
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all do. We really appreciate it.
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And this summer was exciting and
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outstanding for our steam summer
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program. Bring you back. Last year we
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did it at LP Von
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and it was and it was good. This year,
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the Nagas Parish School Board, we
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partnered with them and they gave us the
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Magnum School on East Fifth.
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We had no less than 73 students a day.
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Some of the curriculum was self-defense,
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flying and colding drones,
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arts and craft taught by Miss Judith
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Hayes. She's here tonight. We had
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engineering.
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Uh we we had speakers. uh one of our uh
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on our advisory councils, Mr. Shields,
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he's here tonight. He spoke. They had
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math literature
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uh learning how to uh build businesses
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and make their own in signal. They had
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engineering.
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We fed them breakfast, snacks, and
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lunch. We had our cafeteria manager. We
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had the assistant. We had security.
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No child went to the bathroom by itself.
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We had security on each wing.
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They were introduced to beginner snare
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drums.
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They were introduced to guitars
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and they had a wonderful time and it was
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exciting to see them learn to play.
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Never touched these instruments before
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and how well they done. But it could not
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have been done
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without the volunteers, supporters,
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community volunteers and partners, the
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parents
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and everyone who gave their time.
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At this time, uh,
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I would like to ask for anyone that's
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here that's a member of NCIF,
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if you're here tonight for whatever
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reason, would you please stand? That
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includes advisors.
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There's two,
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there's one, there's three. City council
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person
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Rosemary. Thank you all. I just WANT TO
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APPRECIATE
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SO WE ADDED this year to move quickly
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summer swimming lessons
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along with the classes when it was over.
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Well, we didn't know.
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So we didn't take the initiative to go
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ahead of time and set this up. We
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thought we could just go by time school
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was over and get the summer classes
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where Northwestern was full
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and the city was full.
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But thanks to the recreation department
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member, Mr. Blake and Mayor Ronnie
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Williams that stepped in
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allowed the lifeguards
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to teach our children summer swimming
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after the summer classes and the
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recreation swimming was over.
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They held them over to teach our
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children. Some couldn't duck their heads
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under the water. When they left, some of
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them were swimming on their back.
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Mayor Williams visited the swimming pool
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and we appreciate his initiative
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and his progressive idea to even be
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involved in this. Our motto is
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footprints in the community
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whenever you see that that's our
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intentional. We want to do more.
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We want we want more children and this
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is going to be our main state.
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At this time
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I would like for Mr. Rosemary Eli, city
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council person and a member of the Niger
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Community Improvement Foundation to do
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something. I think she going to ask
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Mayor Williams to come forward.
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Mayor Williams, uh, on the behalf of the
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Natives Community Improvement Foundation
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is great for recognition for your
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outstanding service to our organization
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and would like to come up and take a
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picture with you.
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>> Well, look, thank you all so much. I
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wasn't expecting that.
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certainly
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wasn't expecting that. But I I'll say
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this, you know, um I know Harold worked
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directly with Blake and others, so I
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didn't necessarily have to be in the
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weeds in it, but that is important that,
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you know, students from the community, I
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guess residents from the community, I
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say like that or learning how to swim.
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>> Um and we're trying to figure out how we
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could extend that a little bit more cuz
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it's just a couple months now, but how
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we could try to get that extended so we
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could teach more. And uh that's really
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important. But then your program at um
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magnet is a it's a STEM program or
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>> it's called a STEM program. So yeah,
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it's just all positives. Um I know there
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was a KL KB
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uh piece on it. So maybe people could
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Google that a little bit and kind of
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you'll get to see some of the video and
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the images of what what what some of the
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kids were able to do. So, um, NCIF, I
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know y'all giving me this, but I mean,
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this is really all y'all, um, and what
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you're doing in the community, and we
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certainly need organizations like the
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Nagish Community Improvements Foundation
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because the city, city government can't
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do it all. We can't do it by ourselves.
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We certainly need these caring
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organizations to um, and we'll be
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willing to partner what we need to. So,
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again, yeah, I know y'all giving me
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this, but but kudos to y'all is what I
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want to say. All right. Well, we
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certainly appreciate the partnership and
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I hope like you say this is a lasting
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one.
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>> Yes, sir.
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>> That we will continue to do so. Anyone
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from CI want to take a picture? Mr.
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Shields. Anyone? Come on. Take a
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picture.
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Give us a picture, please.
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» All right.
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Mr. Bayan, before you, I just want to
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say I think that your um organization
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really did a really great job this
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summer. I did stop by the school and got
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an opportunity. I was invited by Miss
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Judith Hayes,
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uh Walters, and uh Miss Judith Hayes and
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got to see all the kids there. And
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you're right, it was a lot different
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from last year. A lot more uh
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involvement and and it was just great
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seeing so many kids over there. So, I
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just think you're doing a great job and
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continue to do so.
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>> All right.
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>> Thank you so much.
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>> Thank all of you.
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>> Appreciate that.
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>> All right. Thank all of you for what
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you're doing in the community. Okay. All
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right.
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Okay. So, next we've got our special
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guest. Um, next we've got Nacatish
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Historic District Commission appeal.
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Uh, applicant owner Henry Cook Taylor
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Junior and Deborah Lee Taylor. The
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purpose, the appeal of the decision by
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the Nagodish Historic Commission
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rendered July 28, 2026
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regarding the artwork artwork, excuse
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me, installed at
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123 St. Denise Street in Akatish,
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Louisiana. I think we already have an
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attorney representing um
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>> Good evening,
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>> Mr. Cook and Mrs. Taylor. And I believe
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city council you have a document from Mr. Glette as
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well. So Mr. Glette, state your first
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and last name and um get into your
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remarks.
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>> Yes, sir.
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>> Oh, and let me say this. I'm sorry. We
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are we do have the threeminut rule. Our
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clock is not functioning um like it
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should. So Mrs. Stac is going to be my clock for me today. Okay. All right.
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Go ahead, Mr. Glad.
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>> Yeah. Thank you, Mayor. Um, good evening
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everyone. My name is Chris Gillette. I
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grew up here. I'm a lawyer here. I've
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got an office on Second Street. Went to
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Nakad Central, graduated in 1987. And
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I'm here tonight representing Lee Cook
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LLC and also Mr. Cook and Miss Taylor,
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which owned the property at 123 Saint
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Den just right about a block away here.
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Mayor,
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in July of this year, the Taylor's uh
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commissioned an artist to
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install some artwork in Taylor Park on
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123 Saint Den. I think everyone's
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probably familiar with it. I do have
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some pictures I can pass out in a
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moment. The artwork says Nacades in
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large letters. Um, the historic
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commission determined that a permit
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would be required for this artwork. And
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so the historic commission uh set a set
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a meeting and summoned the property
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owners to respond.
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July 28th,
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the historic commission took the matter
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up. Uh they acknowledged during the
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meeting, the commission acknowledged
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during the meeting that there was
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another building, a mural at 860
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Washington. This is the Bank of
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Montgomery mural
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uh that had been in place since uh about
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2014 or so, the best that I know. Uh and
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that mural the bank had not applied for
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a permit, hadn't received a permit. The
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historic commission had not taken any
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action to find the owner or or ask that
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it be taken down.
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The commission ordered
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the tailor to remove the artwork at 123
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Saint Den within 60 days. Uh if they
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didn't then they would be fined $50 for
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each day thereafter that it wasn't
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removed.
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We filed an appeal and I I uh provided a
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copy I think to the council
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a few days later and the basis of the
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appeal there's several grounds but uh
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number one that uh the the commission
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and the city council can't selectively
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enforce the ordinances.
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I think we cite, you know, Louisiana
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Constitution Article 6, uh, section 17.
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It's got to be uniformly enforced.
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The bank's mural, uh, actually
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advertises the Bank of Montgomery. It's
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got a picture of a horse and buggy and
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some other things, and they didn't
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obtain a permit for that one either.
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Secondly,
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although it is in a landmark historic
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district, both the bank building and the
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Taylor's building are in the landmark
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district
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under the National Historic Preservation
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Act, murals and artworks not prohibited.
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I cited those statutes in the written
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appeal that I provided to you in the
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regulations.
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>> Mr. Glet, that's three minutes, but
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given that you're the attorney for the
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Mr. Cook and Taylor, do you need a
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little bit more time?
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>> I do. Another three. We'll give you
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another three. Give me another three.
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>> Appreciate that. Thank you.
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>> The uh the statute uh the federal
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statute does not prohibit artwork or
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murals. It only concerns the structures
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uh of the buildings themselves. That's
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the concern of the federal uh
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National Historic Preservation Act.
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Next, under the ordinance,
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the the artwork is not assigned for a
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number of reasons, but the main reason
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is is uh under I think it's 16.1-
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30 uh or 26. It doesn't advertise a
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product. It doesn't advertise a product,
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a business, or a commodity.
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Also, it's not clear that a permit's
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required at all, as we argued or stated
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in the letter, because permits are
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required in three instances. Number one,
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if you build a new structure, number
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two, if you paint an existing structure,
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or number three, if you alter or add to
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an existing structure.
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This artwork is a hardy board and it's
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attached with screws that can be removed
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and the artwork can be removed without
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damaging the structure itself, the
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building. So, it's not clear that a
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permit was required
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before the council tonight under the
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appeal statute. the council can reverse
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it can modify the existing order and so
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we ask respectfully that the council
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reverse the order of the commission on
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these grounds. Number one, that no
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permit appears to be required and also
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no selective enforcement of the
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ordinance really is permitted.
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I think that's about all mayor. I don't
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know if I have any more time, but if if
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I do, I'll be glad to answer any
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questions.
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>> Thank you, Mr. Klet. I appreciate that.
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>> Thank you, Lyn.
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>> Okay.
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>> Oh, I have a couple of things to
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introduce if I may. Uh I have the we uh
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did a public records request for the
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Bank of McGomery records to confirm that
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they didn't address that issue. Uh and
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in 2014,
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July the 7th, 2014, they first applied
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to the commission to paint the brick a
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uniform color. September the 7th of
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2014, they changed their mind, decided
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to use exposed brick. So that's what's
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in the public record for the mural at
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860 Washington.
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Uh last in in the letter, and I want the
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commission to have these pictures. The
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first three are just the nacadish
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artwork itself. I know you've seen that.
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Number four is the Bank of Montgomery
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mural, which is visible from Front
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Street. So, if you drive from Front
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Street towards Texas Street, you see it
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on your left, right by the Louisiana
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Sports Hall of Fame. We also point out
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in the letter that murals are very
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common now. Uh, it's probably not a
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legal issue, but I wanted to make that
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clear. And I have got pictures, about
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five or six pictures of all of the
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murals in downtown Rustin. Uh, and
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downtown Rustin is also a historic
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district. It's not a landmark district,
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but it is a historic district and
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includes a lot of murals.
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So, mayor, if I may and council, I'd
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like to just introduce into the record
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the request uh and the response to the
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um public records request and also
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pictures number 1 through 11.
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>> You you want the council you have enough
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of those for the council or just kind of
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want them to pass them around? Yeah,
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mayor. I I don't have any extra copies,
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but I'll just introduce those.
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>> Okay, I got you. I see what you say.
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Pass them around.
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>> Yes, sir.
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>> Okay. All right. Thank you, Mr. Gat. Is
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there anybody here from the historic
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district commission who would like to
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come at this time?
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» All right. Please state your first and
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last name, ma'am, and then whatever. I'm
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Marian Salter and I happen to be
[21:20]
chairman um this year of the historic
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district commission and I'm here to
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answer any questions that you all might
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have. And I also would like to state
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that at each of our meetings every month
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we have applicants come before us and
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they have all different things that
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they're asking to do to their
[21:38]
properties. Some are additions, some are
[21:41]
demolitions, some are paint, some are
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roofs.
[21:45]
There's all kinds of things. We take
[21:48]
each application very seriously.
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We also form subcommittees to go out and
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meet with these individuals if they
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would like for us to. The committees
[22:00]
come back and report to us and then a
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decision is made based on the guidelines
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set forth by the Department of the
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Interior and plus the city ordinances
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which are our laws. And we as a group of
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the historic district commission are
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volunteers that have been appointed by
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the mayor and voted upon by your city
[22:24]
council. And we are charged with trying
[22:27]
to interpret these rules as best that we
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can. And this is what we do to every
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individual that comes before us.
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I would like to say also that after the
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meeting on July the 28th, Mr. Taylor
[22:43]
came up to me after the meeting and I
[22:45]
hope you remember our little
[22:46]
conversation that we had and he informed
[22:49]
me that there was a committee that had
[22:51]
been put together over a year ago to
[22:55]
apparently put this knackadish sign
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together and that in January the
[23:00]
committee fell apart
[23:02]
and that he decided to carry this
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forward. My response to him was I said,
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"Henry, why did you not come to the
[23:11]
historic district commission and ask us
[23:13]
to be a part of this committee?" His
[23:16]
response to me was, "We knew that you
[23:18]
all would not allow it."
[23:21]
And I take and I asked him, I said,
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"Well, I'm sorry you felt that way,
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but we would have come and tried to work
[23:29]
together." And what a lot of people
[23:31]
don't know is the fact that the historic
[23:35]
district commission and some city
[23:37]
employees have been trying to work
[23:40]
trying to put together some ordinance
[23:43]
concerning murals and artwork because
[23:46]
this is becoming something that people
[23:48]
wish to do but yet no one has even
[23:51]
mentioned the fact that we are trying to
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do things behind the scenes.
[23:56]
Now I am concerned that
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the way we interpret this painting, this
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artwork is a little different than maybe
[24:07]
Mr. Glette has interpreted
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based on the ordinances that we have.
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We are charged with preserving
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structures and maintaining their
[24:20]
integrity and also the dignity of the
[24:23]
historic district that we are charged. I
[24:26]
think that's at the end of your three,
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but if you need a little bit more time,
[24:28]
know everybody understands. We allow a
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little bit more time for opening remarks
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>> and then we will strictly enforce three
[24:33]
minutes thereafter. But I think it's
[24:35]
fair to give opening remarks a little
[24:37]
bit more time. Go ahead.
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>> Thank you. And we understand that murals
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are becoming a thing within communities
[24:44]
and we want to work with people to try
[24:47]
to do what is right and what is not
[24:49]
right. But I also need to point out that
[24:52]
our community is a very special
[24:54]
community that not many have. Rustin
[24:56]
doesn't have it. Shreport doesn't have
[24:58]
it. Any of these other places that have
[25:00]
murals. We are the oldest town in the
[25:02]
Louisiana Purchase. That's onethird of
[25:04]
the United States. We are a national
[25:07]
landmark district. and being established
[25:10]
as a landmark district. The federal
[25:13]
government through the Interior
[25:14]
Department of the Interior states that
[25:16]
we are charged with preserving not only
[25:20]
for our local and our state but for the
[25:23]
nation and we take all of what we do as
[25:26]
the historic district commission very
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seriously.
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>> Thank you.
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Mrs. Salter. All right. Um
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All right. We've heard from attorney
[25:39]
Glette. We've heard from Miss Alter,
[25:42]
Mrs. Alter from the Historic District
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Commission. City Council members,
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anything y'all have to say on this
[25:48]
matter? Again, before us is the appeal
[25:52]
um of the decision that was made uh to
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give 60 days and then start finding if
[25:58]
it's still up, if this artwork is still
[26:01]
on the side of the building. I just want
[26:03]
to say I appreciate what the um historic
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commission does as being volunteers. Um
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so I just want to say make that point
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first and foremost that I don't want it
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to go unnoticed, unmentioned that you
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all do a great work and trying to
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preserve what Nackage has as far as
[26:25]
being landmark areas here, landmark
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buildings and whatever here in Nacades.
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And just wanted to point that out to
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you.
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Okay.
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» Any other comments? City council.
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>> You want me to?
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>> Yeah.
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>> Okay. Um,
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bear with me. I'm always, as my wife
[26:45]
say, can be very long- winded, so I'm
[26:48]
about to be a little long- winded. Uh,
[26:50]
first I I want to start by also thanking
[26:53]
the members of the historic commission.
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They're, as Miss Betty said, they're
[26:57]
100% volunteers who put their time and
[27:00]
effort in this historic district because
[27:02]
they care about it. They care about
[27:03]
preserving and protecting it, and that's
[27:05]
why they put a lot of time into what
[27:08]
they do uh for nothing in return. Um,
[27:11]
and I believe they were put in a very
[27:13]
difficult position here because I
[27:15]
believe and I believe they did the right
[27:17]
thing by making a decision that allowed
[27:19]
this to ultimately come before us. um as
[27:22]
cuz I'm I'm going to discuss when you
[27:24]
really get in our ordinances and try to
[27:26]
apply them to murals, it's extremely
[27:29]
vague. Um in fact, they don't ex
[27:33]
specifically address murals at all. What
[27:35]
the commission had was something placed
[27:37]
on a building without a permit and they
[27:40]
had to make the decision based on the
[27:41]
ordinance that we have. Um, I want to
[27:44]
make clear at the beginning cuz I don't
[27:47]
view what we're doing tonight as a city
[27:49]
council being against the historic
[27:51]
commission in in any way. Um, and if we
[27:54]
ultimately reach a different conclusion
[27:55]
on part of their decision, that doesn't
[27:58]
mean they did anything wrong. Uh, none
[28:00]
of us sitting up here created the
[28:03]
ordinance that's before us. This was I
[28:05]
don't know when it was created. In fact,
[28:07]
no idea.
[28:08]
>> Long time
[28:08]
>> in the 70s maybe. I'm not sure.
[28:10]
Obviously,
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>> uh we inherited it, but we up here are
[28:14]
the legislative body now responsible for
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it. And uh when we find that an
[28:18]
ordinance is vague or incomplete or
[28:21]
doesn't adequately address something,
[28:23]
it's our responsibility to clarify it uh
[28:26]
to interpret it or appropriate or to
[28:29]
change it. And um our ordinance also
[28:33]
gives us a very specific responsibility
[28:35]
when a decision by the commission is
[28:37]
appealed to us. as Miss Marian stated
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uh I'm sorry what Mr. Glette stated uh
[28:46]
that it says the council and I quote
[28:48]
shall have the right to reverse change
[28:51]
or modify any decision of the historic
[28:53]
commission. The commission made its
[28:55]
decision. the tailor's appealed it and
[28:57]
it's our responsibility to look at the
[28:59]
ordinance, look at the standards that
[29:00]
our ordinance tells us to follow and uh
[29:03]
make our our own decision based on how
[29:05]
we the legislative body interpret uh
[29:08]
this vagueness from our ordinances. And
[29:10]
that's what I I've tried to do and the
[29:12]
first question I asked is what is this
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right? Because there's there's questions
[29:19]
about a sign, a mural, what is it? And
[29:21]
to me it's to me it's a mural. It's
[29:24]
artwork is what it is. I don't believe
[29:26]
it's a sign under the definition comp
[29:28]
contained in our ordinance. Our
[29:29]
ordinance defines a sign as including
[29:31]
symbols and similar displays like Mr.
[29:34]
Gillette stated and I quote used for
[29:36]
advertising purposes such as those to
[29:38]
designate an individual firm etc. Um
[29:41]
that's not what this is. It's doesn't
[29:44]
advertise any business. It's not
[29:45]
advertising a product or service or a
[29:47]
profession etc. It's just artwork
[29:50]
depicting nadition scenes of our
[29:51]
community. Um, so I don't believe the
[29:54]
provisions that regulate signs apply to
[29:56]
this mural. So then what do we look at
[30:00]
in our ordinances? And uh, because when
[30:03]
you move away from the sign provisions
[30:05]
and look at what does require a permit,
[30:08]
our ordinance requires a permit for any
[30:10]
alteration or addition to an existing
[30:14]
structure. Um, that's where I I do
[30:18]
slightly disagree with Mr. Glette where
[30:19]
he said it didn't he doesn't believe it
[30:21]
even maybe required a permit. I I think
[30:23]
it's an addition to an structure. Um it
[30:26]
is added to the structure. Um even
[30:28]
though it can be removed.
[30:30]
I believe it's an addition or
[30:32]
alteration. So I want to be very clear
[30:33]
about this. I do I believe the Taylor
[30:35]
should have applied for a permit when
[30:36]
they when they put it up and one wasn't
[30:39]
applied. Uh I don't think there's any
[30:41]
question about that. But there are two
[30:45]
different questions. The first is should
[30:47]
they obtain a permit for installing it?
[30:49]
I think yes. The second is if they
[30:51]
applied for a permit, what standards
[30:53]
then do we use to determine whether this
[30:57]
should have been allowed and approved?
[30:59]
Uh our ordinance, like I said, doesn't
[31:01]
give us any specific mural standards at
[31:02]
all. Instead, our ordinance says that
[31:05]
the historic district commission, and I
[31:07]
quote, shall follow the guidelines
[31:10]
established by the United States
[31:12]
Department of the Interior. Okay. So, I
[31:16]
contacted the Department of Interior.
[31:18]
What are y'all's guidelines? I went
[31:19]
through a lot of people and I got to
[31:20]
their Atlanta office. Uh, spoke with an
[31:23]
individual there concerning historic
[31:25]
landmark districts and specifically
[31:26]
inquired about murals. I was informed
[31:29]
that they don't regulate or prohibit
[31:32]
murals of any kind. Um, I was also told
[31:35]
that murals themselves generally have
[31:37]
very little to no effect on historic
[31:39]
designation. What matters more from the
[31:42]
historic preservation their standpoint
[31:45]
is the destruction, loss or severe
[31:47]
alteration of historic buildings and
[31:50]
historic materials that give those
[31:52]
buildings their historic significance.
[31:55]
Um and in fact what they specifically
[32:00]
what they said is
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if you have a hundred in your district
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if you have a hundred historic buildings
[32:07]
if due to loss destruction if you got 10
[32:10]
you should be worried about your
[32:12]
designation. That's kind of they're just
[32:14]
worried about losing buildings. I they
[32:16]
directed me to the Secretary of State's
[32:18]
standards for rehabilitation which is
[32:21]
codified in 36 CFR part 67. I have a a
[32:26]
copy of them right here if anyone wants
[32:27]
to look at them. And when you actually
[32:29]
read those standards, their purpose is
[32:32]
pretty straightforward. They say they're
[32:33]
intended to preserve the historic
[32:35]
significance of a property by protecting
[32:37]
the historic materials and features that
[32:40]
make that property significant. And
[32:42]
there's standard nine which is relevant
[32:44]
here. Um, and it addresses exterior
[32:47]
alterations
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and um, it says uh, it says that an
[32:53]
exterior alteration should not destroy
[32:55]
historic materials that characterize the
[32:57]
property. Um, I don't think the mural
[33:01]
does that. It says the new work should
[33:03]
be differentiated from the old. I think
[33:06]
it clearly is. I don't think anyone's
[33:08]
going to look at this mural and think it
[33:09]
was part of the original historic
[33:11]
building when it was built. Um it also
[33:15]
says standard 10 says uh that new
[33:18]
additions
[33:20]
um should be done in a way that protects
[33:22]
the essential form and integrity of the
[33:25]
historic property and if removed in the
[33:27]
future wouldn't destroy it. Wow. I mean
[33:30]
it it wouldn't uh I would I would say um
[33:36]
again I think that's important here.
[33:38]
This mural is attached in a way it can
[33:39]
be removed. somebody takes it down five
[33:42]
years from now, 10 from now, 50 from
[33:43]
now, the essential form and integrity of
[33:46]
the building still remains. So, after
[33:49]
looking at those actual standards that
[33:51]
our ordinance tells us to follow, I
[33:52]
simply can't find anything that says a
[33:54]
mural is prohibited. Uh, and murals in
[33:58]
historic districts are certainly not
[33:59]
unusual, has been stated. When I spoke
[34:02]
with the Department of the Interior,
[34:03]
they they gave me a couple examples.
[34:06]
Charleston, South Carolina and Savannah,
[34:08]
Georgia was mentioned as examples of
[34:10]
landmark districts um where murals exist
[34:13]
and they they guided me to their they
[34:15]
said they have great uh mural guidelines
[34:18]
that they have in their ordinances. Uh
[34:21]
and so it's something for us to look towards. Okay.
[34:27]
Uh I then started looking at other
[34:28]
historic districts around the country.
[34:30]
There's plenty of communities that allow
[34:31]
them. There's an in Alabama for
[34:33]
instance. I have this whole packet is
[34:35]
our mural guidelines for their landmark
[34:37]
district and it's in it's extensive.
[34:41]
Uh there's um uh Lancaster, New York,
[34:46]
much smaller guidelines, but they also
[34:48]
have guidelines that we can we can look
[34:49]
through and and go off of. We don't need
[34:51]
to reinvent the wheel here is what I'm
[34:53]
saying. If it works for their landmark
[34:54]
districts and has for so many years, why
[34:56]
wouldn't it work here? Um, they regulate
[34:58]
things like location,
[35:00]
um, protection of historic materials,
[35:03]
attachment methods, and other
[35:05]
preservation concerns. They even provide
[35:07]
pictures and examples in their
[35:08]
ordinances that really help out. Um,
[35:12]
some places regulate size, some places
[35:15]
regulate what side of a building it can
[35:16]
be on, some protect historic brick and
[35:18]
masonry, some prevent murals from
[35:20]
covering important architectural
[35:21]
features. Um, some say they can't face
[35:25]
streets at all, which actually this one
[35:27]
in particular doesn't even face doesn't
[35:29]
face a street. Um,
[35:32]
so I I absolutely believe we need to
[35:33]
address murals in our ordinances going
[35:35]
forward. We have an ordinance later on our agenda uh which is a moratorum to
[35:41]
put a six-month moratorum on any future
[35:45]
um applications so we can amend our
[35:47]
ordinances. Um, however, this one has
[35:49]
been applied under our current
[35:50]
ordinances. So it wouldn't be a wouldn't
[35:53]
uh go through on the moratorum. Um if we
[35:57]
want to restrict their size,
[36:00]
>> let's establish that restriction. That's
[36:01]
for the council. If we want to regulate
[36:03]
where they can be located, we can do
[36:04]
that. If we want to protect how they're
[36:08]
put up on the wall, we can do that. If
[36:10]
we want to specify rules of uh um
[36:16]
whatever we want to do as a commission,
[36:17]
as a council, then everyone knows what
[36:19]
the rules are. property owners know, the
[36:21]
historic commission knows, and if it's
[36:24]
appealed, we know what the rules are.
[36:26]
But those specific regulations don't
[36:28]
exist in our ordinance today. With all
[36:30]
that said, um the historic district
[36:32]
commission, I think, has already
[36:34]
considered this particular mural. Even
[36:36]
though a permit
[36:38]
um application was not formally filed
[36:41]
beforehand, this particular mural
[36:44]
nevertheless came before the commission.
[36:47]
considered it um heard
[36:50]
all the facts and made a decision
[36:53]
concerning it. Um the the motion that
[36:57]
was made by the commission and I quote I
[37:00]
have the exact motion. Uh motion is that
[37:03]
the tailor be asked to remove the sign
[37:05]
within 60 days. If the sign is not
[37:07]
removed within 60 days that they be
[37:10]
fined the minimum amount authorized by
[37:12]
the code of $50 per day until it's
[37:14]
removed. the sign is not removed within
[37:16]
60 days that the city attorney take
[37:18]
action to have it removed through the
[37:20]
judicial system and then it was seconded
[37:22]
and voted on. Uh and that's that's was
[37:24]
before us now is that motion. So again,
[37:26]
our ordinance expressly states that this
[37:29]
council should have the right to
[37:30]
reverse, change, or modify any decision
[37:33]
of the historic commission. So I don't
[37:34]
believe our only options tonight are
[37:36]
either to affirm their decision or send
[37:39]
these people back at the whole beginning
[37:41]
of the process. We've seen the mural. We
[37:44]
all know what it looks like. We've been
[37:46]
there.
[37:48]
We know where it is. We know it's how
[37:50]
it's attached. The historic commission
[37:51]
has considered it. They made their
[37:53]
decision. The tailor have appealed it.
[37:55]
Both sides have had the opportunity to
[37:57]
be heard. And now the ordinance gives us
[37:59]
the responsibility to make that
[38:00]
decision. I don't see the benefit of
[38:03]
telling the tailor, "Go file an
[38:04]
application for this exact same mural.
[38:06]
go back before the commission again,
[38:08]
have another hearing, get another
[38:10]
decision, and if you disagree with that
[38:12]
decision, come back here. We're going to
[38:14]
do this all over again. We're already
[38:16]
here. It's already been adjudicated.
[38:18]
Um, and again, I want to make something
[38:21]
very clear. I'm not saying that they
[38:23]
were right to put this mural up without
[38:25]
obtaining a permit. Uh, they should have
[38:27]
gotten a permit. There's other things
[38:29]
out there, not just what's been
[38:31]
discussed tonight. There's other things
[38:33]
out there in the historic district that
[38:34]
haven't gotten permits. um they should
[38:37]
get permits. So, we're not here, we
[38:39]
don't police that, you know, that's not what we do is um but there's
[38:44]
a process that they should go through
[38:46]
and if it gets
[38:49]
maybe some things need to come before
[38:50]
us. That's all I'm going to say. Um
[38:53]
nothing I'm proposing tonight should be
[38:55]
interpreted to mean that somebody can
[38:56]
leave here, go put a mural on some or
[38:59]
alter some other building, historic
[39:01]
district, and then come ask for
[39:02]
forgiveness. In fact, I believe there
[39:04]
should be a consequence for failing to
[39:06]
follow the permitting process. And
[39:08]
that's one portion of the commission's
[39:10]
decision that maybe some council members
[39:13]
may we might want to discuss to modify,
[39:16]
but that's separate from the question of
[39:17]
whether the mural should be removed.
[39:20]
Failing to obtain the permit beforehand
[39:22]
doesn't necessarily mean that an
[39:23]
alteration that otherwise satisfies the
[39:26]
standards
[39:28]
were required to apply must be torn
[39:31]
down.
[39:32]
Um, and based on the ordinance exists
[39:34]
today, based on the Department of
[39:35]
Interior standards and our ordinance
[39:37]
specifically directs us to follow, based
[39:39]
upon the facts concerning this
[39:41]
particular mural, I do not find
[39:43]
substantive basis under our current
[39:45]
ordinance requiring this mural to be
[39:47]
removed. Um,
[39:50]
the ordinance itself provides for the
[39:52]
appeal and the fact it expressly gives
[39:54]
us the authority to reverse, change or
[39:56]
modify means there will be occasion when
[39:58]
this council reaches a different
[39:59]
conclusion. us while the appeal process
[40:01]
is there. Yet again, uh that isn't the
[40:04]
council against the commission. I
[40:06]
believe the real problem here is that
[40:07]
our ordinance has not kept up with the
[40:09]
issue, has been very vague, and now it's
[40:12]
in front of us for the first time. And
[40:15]
yet again, that's our responsibility and
[40:16]
that's our responsibility to fix it. Um
[40:22]
so
[40:25]
are we ready to make a motion? Do you
[40:26]
want to talk?
[40:27]
>> Make a motion. I think we need to talk.
[40:29]
>> Okay,
[40:31]
>> let's talk.
[40:32]
>> I would just like to echo that um
[40:37]
when this blew up, I happened to be over
[40:41]
in Texas at Lake of the Pines.
[40:45]
And the the next morning, I got several
[40:48]
phone calls that day. Next morning went
[40:51]
over to Jefferson, Texas and went to eat
[40:56]
at Annie's Steamboat Cafe and walked
[41:01]
around the building, the first thing I
[41:03]
see is a big huge river steamboat u on
[41:07]
the side of the building and it's
[41:08]
gorgeous. I love uh murals, but on the
[41:12]
front of the building there's a historic
[41:14]
landmark plaque. So, you know, right off
[41:17]
the bat, um, it and I found that later
[41:21]
on there's three or four murals in their
[41:23]
town. They all fit the historic
[41:26]
ambiance, if you will, of the thing. So,
[41:29]
it didn't didn't bother me. But in when
[41:32]
I got back, um, happened to go by, got a
[41:36]
burger from Stony's at Tasty Boy. And
[41:40]
while I was there, four people,
[41:41]
different groups came in in the 12m
[41:44]
minute time I was there to take a
[41:46]
picture of the mural before we made them
[41:48]
take it down. So, uh, just a pop popular
[41:53]
appeal. Uh, I don't think there's
[41:55]
anybody that dislikes the content of the
[41:57]
mural. However, we got two issues going
[42:00]
on that Councilman Harrington
[42:03]
um very eloquently went over. Uh we've
[42:06]
got an out ofdate ordinance which
[42:09]
appears to keep surfacing in our
[42:12]
planning and zoning. Um a lot of them
[42:15]
are old and they need to be redone. And
[42:18]
I think maybe next year we can look at
[42:20]
that and try to catch up on a lot of
[42:23]
these. But some of us on this council
[42:27]
have served on commissions where an
[42:30]
issue gets out of hand and you really
[42:33]
get your ears pinned back and you're
[42:34]
doing it and they add another zero to
[42:37]
the amount you get in your paycheck. Um
[42:40]
it's not it a lot of times it it can be
[42:43]
very thankless. Um, but it's an
[42:46]
important job and
[42:50]
you know
[42:52]
it's got to be we've got to take care of
[42:55]
our historic landmark district. The
[42:58]
second issue is not getting a permit and
[43:01]
it's imperative that we follow our
[43:04]
permitting process especially in the
[43:08]
landmark district. The commission is
[43:11]
tasked with upholding the integrity of
[43:14]
the district and that at times is so
[43:17]
misunderstood by the general public.
[43:20]
They have no idea what that entails with
[43:23]
zero lot lines, almost no off- streetet
[43:26]
parking and buildings that are well over
[43:28]
a hundred years old. It's a special task
[43:31]
to maintain that status while you're
[43:34]
trying to integrate it with the rest of
[43:36]
the city. And I commend each and every
[43:39]
commissioner that's on that commission
[43:41]
for serving because it's a it's a very
[43:43]
tough job, but it's very important and
[43:47]
to do things without a permit each and
[43:50]
every time we do that. Are there some
[43:53]
that slip through the cracks? Absolutely
[43:56]
there are. But each and every one can
[43:59]
have an adverse effect on the entire
[44:02]
district. So, we've got to uphold it.
[44:05]
That commission is extremely important
[44:08]
to us. I grew up in New Orleans. One of
[44:11]
the things that I fell in love with in
[44:14]
Nacadesh
[44:15]
was the landmark district, which wasn't
[44:18]
designated yet, but I got to watch it
[44:21]
grow after it became a landmark
[44:24]
district. It opened up the door to
[44:26]
facade grants to and people began buying
[44:29]
property, investing in it, and you had
[44:32]
the downtown that you have today. And if
[44:35]
you didn't have that commission back in
[44:36]
that, it wouldn't be that way. And so
[44:41]
for that reason, I think not getting a
[44:44]
permit is more bothersome to me than
[44:49]
um whether we allow murals or we don't.
[44:52]
As Councilman Harrington stated, um,
[44:56]
we'll have a chance to address that.
[44:59]
Hopefully, we'll pass that as a body to
[45:01]
do the moratorum on murals and be able
[45:04]
to come back and visit that
[45:06]
intelligently, have public forums and invite the public to be involved and
[45:12]
consider how we're going to do that. But
[45:14]
uh I am very much uh I think we figured
[45:19]
the the fine from when it was put up or
[45:23]
from the meeting to now would be
[45:26]
approximately 1350. That would be my u
[45:32]
recommendation to leave the sign up, pay
[45:36]
the fine of 1350
[45:39]
or remove the sign and no fine.
[45:43]
Well, I tell you I just want to say
[45:45]
this. I have as I said earlier and I
[45:48]
agree with everything uh Councilman
[45:50]
Harrington and Councilman Nielson has
[45:53]
said. I think most of us here agree with
[45:55]
the fact that the
[45:58]
sign was put up without a permit.
[46:02]
You know, there are rules and
[46:04]
regulations that have to be followed
[46:06]
that should have been followed. So, my
[46:08]
main concern was the fact that it was
[46:11]
put up without a permit. I have no
[46:13]
objection to the mural itself. It's I
[46:15]
think it's beautiful. I love it. I've
[46:17]
traveled so many places and I've seen
[46:20]
murals. Um just recently came from
[46:22]
Monroe and in their downtown area there are murals all over over in
[46:28]
Nacadocious Texas murals. Lufkin, Texas
[46:31]
as Dell said, Jefferson, Texas. This is the thing now. People have a way
[46:39]
of trying to express themselves through
[46:41]
painting.
[46:42]
and and I I think it's nice. I think it
[46:45]
adds to the area and I agree that a fine
[46:49]
should be in place and
[46:54]
leave the mirror up. But um I think
[46:58]
penalty needs to be in place. I put it
[47:00]
that way for not abiding by the permit
[47:04]
that's been should have been done.
[47:08]
Council
[47:09]
>> washi any comments?
[47:13]
Oh, no.
[47:15]
I don't have anything. Okay.
[47:18]
>> I like the burgers though.
[47:19]
>> I'm just
[47:20]
>> You like burgers?
[47:22]
>> She talking about tasty boy.
[47:23]
>> Tasty boy.
[47:26]
>> Councilman PT.
[47:27]
>> I'm just a bit concerned. Uh you had the
[47:30]
fellow Mr. Gileia. He had mentioned
[47:32]
about the Bank of Montgomery with them
[47:33]
having their artwork and I just it's
[47:37]
kind of difficult because if we're going
[47:39]
to find you know them for their piece
[47:41]
then how do we remedy that?
[47:43]
>> That's true.
[47:44]
>> Uh
[47:46]
I like the artwork. I I figured it
[47:48]
probably would make it to us. But
[47:50]
>> I think at this point we just kind of
[47:51]
dealing with an outdated ordinance and
[47:54]
so maybe we put a hold, you know, until
[47:56]
we get that situated. But
[47:59]
>> I don't think that we get them to tear
[48:01]
it down or move it. I think we just kind
[48:03]
of like move forward from here.
[48:06]
>> And I don't I don't think it's fair if
[48:08]
we try to find
[48:12]
>> I don't I don't know about that. I I say
[48:14]
that because I don't know when did he
[48:16]
ever say when the Bank of Montgomery was
[48:18]
put up? What year was that?
[48:20]
>> 2014.
[48:26]
» Yeah. And then I just say I say a fine
[48:28]
and I'm not I'm not I'm opposed to a
[48:31]
fine of$350
[48:34]
but I just feel that if something is not
[48:37]
you know you you're going to have people
[48:38]
coming just putting up something but I
[48:40]
don't have to I'm not going to get
[48:41]
penalized for it. I can put it up. I'm
[48:43]
not there's no repercussion.
[48:45]
>> So something I think needs to be in
[48:47]
place. If not a fine something needs if
[48:50]
not that big of a fine. Something needs
[48:52]
to be in place.
[48:54]
I I see both I see both sides of it. Uh
[48:59]
I see a side of of doing a fine and and
[49:02]
our ordinances say a minimum of $50 a
[49:05]
day. Uh but it doesn't necessarily state
[49:09]
when that day begins.
[49:10]
>> No.
[49:11]
>> Um
[49:13]
>> up to $100 a day. Um, but
[49:17]
because I see I see the side
[49:20]
for the fine because if we don't then
[49:24]
there's nothing to to stop anyone from
[49:26]
just putting anything up without a
[49:27]
permit and being like sure I'll get one
[49:29]
later, whatever. Because there's no
[49:32]
negative recourse to them. There's
[49:33]
nothing there's no you know if we have a
[49:36]
fine now might keep people from doing
[49:39]
so. But I I see this point.
[49:42]
>> Mhm. I do too.
[49:43]
>> That there's others. Why haven't they
[49:44]
been fined? Uh, how can you find one and
[49:46]
out the other?
[49:50]
» What if you donated the fine to the
[49:53]
historic district through Main Street
[49:56]
and it went back to improvements in the
[49:59]
historic district?
[50:01]
>> I.e. maybe the signs that say Tasty Boy
[50:04]
that way.
[50:05]
>> Well, all those signs are outdated.
[50:07]
Yeah,
[50:07]
>> they're all outdated.
[50:08]
>> Yeah, there's businesses that aren't
[50:09]
there anymore. There's Yeah. And maybe
[50:11]
the Bank of Montgomery would graciously
[50:14]
give a donation to the historic
[50:16]
district.
[50:17]
>> They might do that.
[50:20]
>> Yep.
[50:20]
>> Great idea. If anybody here from Bank of
[50:22]
Montgomery listening, Great idea.
[50:25]
>> All right. You got something else,
[50:28]
Eddie?
[50:31]
» I don't know.
[50:32]
>> Okay. All right. At this time, we do
[50:34]
want to allow We've heard from attorney
[50:37]
representing the Taylor. We've heard
[50:39]
from member of the historic district
[50:41]
commission, city council, and we've
[50:43]
given them latitude to go beyond of
[50:45]
course the 3 minutes, but we are going
[50:47]
to in the interest of time, we are going
[50:48]
to have to strictly enforce
[50:51]
um the 3 minutes at this point. Um just
[50:54]
to just as a reminder, we certainly
[50:58]
don't want to be repetitive. Um so if a
[51:01]
comment has already been made, you know,
[51:04]
hey, just
[51:06]
you can let that be.
[51:08]
um that we it's already in the record if
[51:10]
you will. So, we do want to allow some
[51:12]
time and again Mrs. Stacy is going to be
[51:14]
my time keeper hand goes up that lets us
[51:16]
know the 3 minutes has expired. So, if
[51:19]
there's anything anybody uh does want to
[51:22]
say at this point, we don't have a
[51:24]
motion yet, but I kind of see where it's
[51:26]
going. So, um, but we do want to allow
[51:29]
individuals who may want to speak and
[51:30]
then when you get to the microphone,
[51:33]
please state your first and last name
[51:34]
and then you can get into your remarks
[51:36]
and your three minutes will start at the
[51:37]
time um when when your name is uh called
[51:40]
out. Yes, ma'am.
[51:48]
» Hi, I'm Elizabeth Eers. Um, I do a lot
[51:51]
of the Facebook stuff. I don't do
[51:53]
anything else, just Facebook. and I am a
[51:56]
part of a lot of the groups in there and
[51:58]
I didn't start a lot of it. I did start
[52:01]
a lot of it but not the polls and
[52:03]
everything. Um, on the online polls
[52:07]
right now we are at 357
[52:10]
signatures and that was just a couple of
[52:12]
days ago. I haven't checked it recently
[52:14]
and I want to say in one of the groups
[52:17]
there was
[52:18]
like a like a poll or something. and it
[52:20]
was in the thousands that was in
[52:22]
Nacadesh to keep it up and then on Saint
[52:26]
Deny we've had people coming in from
[52:28]
Delaware, Austin, everywhere to keep it.
[52:31]
I understand a fine needs to be in place
[52:34]
but we also do a bunch of community work
[52:37]
too. So maybe instead of a fine we do
[52:41]
community work. You know there's some
[52:43]
compromises we can make here but the
[52:46]
community does love it. I have the
[52:48]
petitions
[52:50]
and the pictures and everything on
[52:52]
Facebook if y'all need anything. I'm
[52:53]
really nervous,
[52:56]
but that's really all I have to say is
[52:59]
the community does love it and y'all
[53:01]
trust me with it. I've never like
[53:03]
steered y'all wrong on anything and I
[53:06]
promise that we won't do anything else
[53:08]
and we'll get right permits. I promise.
[53:11]
Just leave it up.
[53:14]
>> All right. Thank you, ma'am.
[53:21]
Any other comments people feel they need
[53:23]
to be made? All right, we got one coming
[53:24]
in the back.
[53:37]
» It's a very nice sign. My name is
[53:38]
Deborah Thompson and I think um the I
[53:43]
think we're missing the point. The the point is if there is a permit that's
[53:52]
required
[53:54]
and you don't get the permit
[53:56]
expecting that you're going to be
[53:58]
denied, which is what she said. That was
[54:00]
the reason given that they did not
[54:02]
request the permit.
[54:05]
If you don't get the the permit and
[54:07]
expect that you're going to accept it
[54:10]
anyway once it's up, there's a problem.
[54:13]
And I think that's a problem. not just
[54:15]
for this issue but any other issues that
[54:19]
we might face in our city. So we need to
[54:22]
consider that
[54:24]
uh
[54:27]
I understand the sign you can take it
[54:30]
down until the permit is is it's completed just you leave it put
[54:36]
it back up when it's legal but until
[54:39]
it's legal then it shouldn't be up. I
[54:42]
don't care how pretty it is. Uh it's not
[54:45]
legal. It's not always done correctly
[54:48]
and we need to make sure that things are
[54:50]
done decently and in order.
[54:52]
>> Thank you.
[54:54]
Mr. Thompson.
[54:56]
>> Right.
[54:57]
>> Okay. Any other comments?
[55:03]
» All right. We got one coming here.
[55:08]
» Jared, I know I'm not speaking on behalf
[55:10]
of the commission. Miss Alter did an
[55:11]
excellent job. I want to thank y'all. I
[55:13]
know that y'all spent a lot of time
[55:15]
working on this and we appreciate it.
[55:17]
Um,
[55:19]
I don't think the commission has
[55:21]
expressed an opinion on whether or not
[55:24]
we should or shouldn't have murals. Um,
[55:26]
I think that's not a decision that we've
[55:28]
made. But I I do would just want to
[55:31]
caution the council.
[55:33]
Once you if you vote to allow this to go
[55:37]
up, Katie bar the doors because once you
[55:41]
allow one mural to go up, we can't
[55:43]
prevent any other ones from going up. So
[55:46]
this decision is important and I I would just caution you all to think
[55:50]
about it. So
[55:53]
>> I will say to that that this one of
[55:56]
course we're only voting on this one
[55:57]
individually but we do have later in our
[56:00]
agenda that moratorum from if it's
[56:03]
passed that from today moving for 6
[56:06]
months no mural application will be
[56:09]
accepted and to our ordinances are
[56:12]
amended um which however I can't say how
[56:16]
they'll be amended it's I'm only one
[56:18]
vote and one decision but they'll be
[56:21]
regulated in some form of way. So,
[56:24]
what's before us today isn't going to be
[56:26]
the same. Um, this is I just wanted to
[56:28]
say that uh and I did look and um
[56:34]
where' I put it? Oh,
[56:37]
I did look and and uh and Alex
[56:40]
Washington, our city attorney, we looked
[56:42]
at it together and our our ordinances
[56:45]
under penalties for violations does
[56:47]
state
[56:49]
that
[56:52]
uh any owner who violates the store
[56:55]
district ordinance or laws
[56:58]
shall be fined not less than $50, no
[57:01]
more than $100 for each infraction. It
[57:04]
says each day the violation continues is
[57:07]
a separate offense. So that's now where
[57:10]
I looked at that and that's when I went
[57:11]
and talked to that word shall is what
[57:14]
stuck out to me. We we don't have I
[57:18]
don't see us having a say of getting
[57:19]
around the shall. Would you agree with
[57:22]
that?
[57:22]
>> Yeah, I agree with that.
[57:23]
>> Um
[57:24]
>> and plus the the commission in their
[57:26]
ruling issued um penalties and so if we
[57:31]
are concurrent with that but modifying
[57:34]
at the same time I think we
[57:36]
>> Yeah. So
[57:42]
» based on the date of the meeting to now,
[57:45]
>> that's what I think
[57:46]
>> that's where we came up with that. not
[57:49]
go as far back as when it was initially
[57:51]
installed, but when they had the
[57:53]
meeting, which is when they're directly
[57:55]
told
[57:56]
>> you violated this.
[57:58]
>> And that's what you that's 50 days. $50
[58:01]
a day, which was the minimum amount
[58:03]
>> starting the next day after the meeting
[58:06]
till today is $1,350.
[58:10]
>> Um,
[58:13]
» okay. Has a permit been applied for
[58:16]
since then? Yes,
[58:18]
>> it has been applied. Okay, because she
[58:20]
spoke. So, it was applied for
[58:23]
purposes. We went and looked
[58:24]
>> that was not for the
[58:25]
>> application that was filed. I don't
[58:28]
think includes the the mural. Chris, you
[58:31]
might correct me if I'm wrong. We went
[58:32]
and looked. There was there is an
[58:34]
application that's been filed, but I
[58:36]
think it only pertains to the fencing,
[58:38]
the lighting. I don't think an actual
[58:41]
permit on the site,
[58:46]
» but you had a
[58:49]
>> they had a meeting just
[58:52]
on the mirror.
[58:53]
>> They had the
[58:53]
>> Yeah. Can we speak in the mic, please,
[58:55]
for the minutes if you don't mind?
[58:58]
>> And we need y'all to speak in the mic
[58:59]
for the minutes and for our audience
[59:02]
that's online.
[59:03]
>> It was filed the following day. This is
[59:05]
Chris Gillette. It was filed the day
[59:08]
after the meeting because the count the
[59:10]
commission requested that they do so and
[59:13]
so they did. They said, "We think y'all
[59:14]
need to file an application for the
[59:16]
artwork and several other things, too."
[59:19]
So, they did file that and all of that's
[59:22]
included in the pending application.
[59:25]
>> Was a sign, you had a comment?
[59:28]
>> No.
[59:29]
>> When we looked at it, the sign was a
[59:31]
sign in the packet this morning.
[59:33]
>> I didn't see it checked off.
[59:36]
I can get the original
[59:37]
>> the application checks off for signage
[59:39]
and then it lists some other reasons. Um
[59:42]
but we have not ruled on this
[59:44]
application. It's it's before it's
[59:46]
before us next month I guess
[59:49]
>> money meeting. So
[59:51]
>> okay rule
[59:52]
>> I'll go I'll go ahead and
[59:54]
>> they rule.
[59:55]
>> Yeah. Uh I'll go ahead and due to the
[59:59]
fact that uh this matter on the mural I
[1:00:04]
believe has already been adjudicated and
[1:00:06]
really technically a permit hearing has
[1:00:08]
been heard even though one wasn't filed
[1:00:10]
at the time. I move that the city
[1:00:12]
council pursuant to this authority on
[1:00:14]
appeal to reverse change or modify
[1:00:16]
decision of the store district
[1:00:17]
commission affirm in part reverse in
[1:00:20]
part and modify the decision as follows.
[1:00:23]
Uh, first I move that we modify the
[1:00:27]
commission's
[1:00:29]
decision of the $50 per day fine
[1:00:32]
beginning after a 60-day period
[1:00:35]
and instead
[1:00:37]
based on our ordinances
[1:00:40]
uh have it begin from July 29th, which
[1:00:43]
was the day after their meeting to today
[1:00:47]
ends at $50 a day for a total fine of
[1:00:50]
$1,350.
[1:00:52]
Also, I move that we reverse the portion
[1:00:54]
of the commission's decision requiring
[1:00:56]
the mural to be removed. I further move
[1:00:58]
that we modify the commission's decision
[1:01:01]
to approve this mural in its present
[1:01:03]
form, as present location, and allow it
[1:01:05]
to remain.
[1:01:07]
>> Second.
[1:01:09]
>> Okay. Motion made and seconded.
[1:01:13]
We've already asked for comments,
[1:01:16]
so
[1:01:18]
>> All right. Say your first and last name,
[1:01:20]
please.
[1:01:23]
I'm Nancy Thomas and I'm confused here.
[1:01:26]
You're finding one group of people yet
[1:01:31]
the Bank of Montgomery has been up for
[1:01:34]
years and has had no consequences. Will
[1:01:38]
there be consequences against the Bank
[1:01:40]
of Montgomery?
[1:01:43]
>> A mural is a mural.
[1:01:45]
>> There needs to be.
[1:01:46]
>> That's not a It needs to be.
[1:01:47]
>> There needs to be.
[1:01:48]
>> It needs to be,
[1:01:49]
>> but it's not an agenda item today. It
[1:01:51]
needs to be since they are in the
[1:01:53]
landmark district.
[1:01:55]
>> City attorney Washington.
[1:01:56]
>> Yeah. It's not an agenda item today, but
[1:01:58]
>> yeah,
[1:01:58]
>> it sounds like the council will and
[1:02:00]
administration may address that.
[1:02:02]
>> I'm sorry.
[1:02:02]
>> It's not on the agenda today for us to
[1:02:04]
kind of discuss.
[1:02:05]
>> Oh, you will um attend to that at a
[1:02:08]
later date.
[1:02:09]
>> It sounds like from administration and
[1:02:11]
the council we will
[1:02:12]
>> Okay.
[1:02:12]
>> discuss with them.
[1:02:14]
>> Yeah. Because this today we're only here
[1:02:15]
for for this one. the
[1:02:19]
but that it needs to be. I agree with
[1:02:21]
you.
[1:02:22]
>> All right. Okay. We've got a motion.
[1:02:25]
We've got a second.
[1:02:27]
>> Mrs. Stacy, roll call vote.
[1:02:29]
>> Eli,
[1:02:30]
>> yes.
[1:02:30]
>> Nelson,
[1:02:31]
>> yes.
[1:02:31]
>> Smith Kirkindall,
[1:02:33]
>> yes.
[1:02:33]
>> Harington,
[1:02:34]
>> yes.
[1:02:34]
>> PT,
[1:02:35]
>> yes.
[1:02:35]
>> All right, the motion carries. All
[1:02:38]
right, our next agenda item.
[1:02:43]
We have a proclamation and is read by
[1:02:45]
Councilman PT. Thank you, mayor.
[1:02:47]
Resolution number 058 of 2026, a
[1:02:51]
proclamation declaring September
[1:02:53]
2026
[1:02:56]
as national
[1:02:57]
>> Councilman PT. Hold on. We got some
[1:02:59]
Yeah, this makes sense.
[1:03:02]
>> As people are leaving now.
[1:03:04]
>> Okay. Thank you, sir.
[1:03:10]
» Is the person here who did the mural
[1:03:12]
>> or not?
[1:03:13]
>> No, he's not here.
[1:03:16]
I could make these out of town.
[1:03:18]
>> The artist. You mean
[1:03:19]
>> the artist? Yeah, the artist.
[1:03:23]
>> Right.
[1:03:24]
>> Okay. All right. Councilman, you can go.
[1:03:27]
>> Uh proclamation declaring September 2026
[1:03:31]
as national sick cell awareness month in
[1:03:33]
the city of Nagades. Whereas September
[1:03:35]
is national sickell awareness month. The
[1:03:38]
observance passed by congressional
[1:03:40]
resolution in 1983 was endorsed through
[1:03:43]
presidential proclamation which spoke to
[1:03:46]
the national progress that had been made
[1:03:48]
to diagnose and treat sickle cell
[1:03:50]
disease. Whereas the proclamation also
[1:03:54]
cited the success of comprehensive
[1:03:56]
cickle cell centers across the United
[1:03:58]
States in establishing programs of
[1:04:01]
research, training and community service
[1:04:04]
to address sickle cell disorder, a blood
[1:04:06]
disorder causing abnormalities in
[1:04:09]
hemoglobin leading to the tailtale
[1:04:12]
sickle shape in sufferers red blood
[1:04:14]
cells. Whereas in the past decade there
[1:04:18]
has been substantial progress in
[1:04:19]
research on cickle cell disease
[1:04:22]
diagnostic procedures have greatly
[1:04:24]
improved. Whereas sickle cell disease
[1:04:27]
pre prevents presents grave health
[1:04:30]
challenges for an estimated 100,000
[1:04:33]
Americans. For some it triggers episodes
[1:04:36]
of pain, difficulty with vision and
[1:04:39]
serious fatigue. Other survivors
[1:04:42]
experience this disease more acutely.
[1:04:45]
Sickle cell disease can cause
[1:04:48]
infections, strokes, and even organ
[1:04:50]
failure. Whereas for almost everyone
[1:04:53]
impacted, coping with the inherited red
[1:04:56]
blood cell disorder means putting plans
[1:04:59]
off, on pause, living with excruciating
[1:05:02]
pain, paying for expensive treatments,
[1:05:05]
and hoping for a day when medications
[1:05:07]
and doctor visits no longer interrupt
[1:05:10]
life.
[1:05:11]
Whereas during National Sickle Awareness
[1:05:13]
Month, we recognize the persever
[1:05:16]
perseverance of sickle cell disorder
[1:05:18]
patients and we recommmit to working
[1:05:20]
with our partners in state and local
[1:05:22]
government, the nonprofit space and the
[1:05:25]
private sector to develop treatments and cures for this debilitating disease.
[1:05:33]
Whereas sickle cell disorder affects our
[1:05:36]
population unevenly.
[1:05:39]
Black and brown Americans are
[1:05:40]
disproportionately affected. About 1 in
[1:05:43]
13 black children test positive for the
[1:05:46]
sickle cell trait and about 1 in 365
[1:05:49]
black Americans develop the disease over
[1:05:52]
the course of their lifetime. Due to
[1:05:55]
persistent systemic inequalities in our
[1:05:58]
health care system, these fame patients
[1:06:00]
are often last to get help.
[1:06:04]
Whereas as we continue to research to
[1:06:06]
find a cure for sick cell disease, let
[1:06:09]
us celebrate the strides our health
[1:06:11]
experts have made in understanding and
[1:06:13]
treating this condition. Let let us
[1:06:15]
continue to offer support to those
[1:06:17]
that's battling every day. May I so move
[1:06:20]
to adopt resolution number 058?
[1:06:24]
>> Second.
[1:06:25]
>> Motion made and seconded. Um, look, I
[1:06:29]
mean, you read about the facts and uh,
[1:06:32]
who is affected disproportionately and
[1:06:35]
um, I think there's been some, we may
[1:06:38]
have mentioned this last year, there
[1:06:39]
have been some um, developments in six
[1:06:42]
cell research, which is great. And so,
[1:06:44]
we want to continue to bring attention.
[1:06:46]
I do know there's an announcement later
[1:06:48]
on well where um uh the women of Delta
[1:06:53]
Sigma Theta have an event plans center
[1:06:56]
around um sick cell information and
[1:07:00]
things of that nature. So again I think
[1:07:02]
Miss Julie are you here for this
[1:07:04]
particular proclamation? any remarks you
[1:07:06]
have or
[1:07:07]
>> I would like to do the activities that
[1:07:10]
we plan.
[1:07:11]
>> Come on, say it on the mic front of your
[1:07:13]
mind. State your first and last name and
[1:07:15]
then whatever remarks you have.
[1:07:18]
>> Judith Hayes.
[1:07:20]
I'm here uh this is our sixth year and
[1:07:24]
I'm coming in
[1:07:26]
um the presence for uh the crew of
[1:07:30]
excellence Delta Sigma Theta and other
[1:07:34]
uh resource persons that will be
[1:07:37]
participating in our endeavor to
[1:07:41]
continue to um educate our system
[1:07:47]
because this is a a deadly their disease
[1:07:50]
and it's very painful for our young
[1:07:53]
people when they have discovered that
[1:07:56]
they have this disease.
[1:07:59]
Now, um the crew of excellence will be
[1:08:03]
giving out ribbons uh at the different
[1:08:06]
uh uh stores and this is to get more
[1:08:12]
people aware of the syel disease. On de
[1:08:17]
on September the 19th from 10 to 12 at
[1:08:22]
the m Martin Luther King Center, uh
[1:08:25]
Delta Sigma Theta will host uh the
[1:08:29]
annual sickle cell uh awareness event
[1:08:33]
along with the outpatient clinic
[1:08:36]
uh scarf.
[1:08:38]
This is the sickle cell resource center
[1:08:41]
in Alexandria, Louisiana. Zeta Faba
[1:08:44]
sority and lastly but not least crew of
[1:08:49]
excellence. Surely we want to give blood
[1:08:52]
for those that are able to and it was
[1:08:56]
announced that we are it is a shortage
[1:09:00]
for uh donation of blood. So we need
[1:09:04]
everybody
[1:09:05]
uh collectively to come out and give
[1:09:08]
blood.
[1:09:10]
um the everyone can play a part in this
[1:09:15]
effort and I would like to thank you for
[1:09:18]
your time and consideration for having
[1:09:22]
this month sickle cell anemia awareness
[1:09:25]
month.
[1:09:26]
>> Thank you so much ma'am. We appreciate
[1:09:28]
you look and um again thank you for the
[1:09:31]
work that you all are doing.
[1:09:32]
>> All right.
[1:09:33]
>> Did we have a I think we had a motion in
[1:09:34]
a second.
[1:09:35]
>> Any comment about this proclamation? I
[1:09:38]
speak to mar just real quick. So I
[1:09:41]
myself I have a trait. Uh I had a
[1:09:43]
brother that passed. Uh he actually had
[1:09:46]
the fullon sickle cell. My nephew Landon Hicks he had sickle cell but like
[1:09:52]
right now he's in the process of going
[1:09:54]
to like New Orleans to see if he'll
[1:09:56]
qualify for like a transplant with the
[1:09:58]
like stem cells. And so he had like a
[1:10:01]
lot of blood work done. So it's a
[1:10:03]
possibility that he can possibly like be
[1:10:05]
cured. Like they had one guy, I forget
[1:10:08]
where he was from. I think it was
[1:10:09]
Louisiana,
[1:10:10]
>> but he had a successful uh transplant.
[1:10:13]
>> Wow.
[1:10:13]
>> Yeah,
[1:10:14]
>> that's good,
[1:10:16]
>> man.
[1:10:17]
>> Madison is making some improvements,
[1:10:19]
right?
[1:10:20]
>> So, we hope that uh
[1:10:21]
>> So, I see that often like, you know,
[1:10:22]
where they talked about like being in
[1:10:24]
pain and stuff like that. I mean, it's really tough on them and he's only
[1:10:28]
like 10 years old, you know, so it it be
[1:10:30]
Yeah. When they when they go into a
[1:10:32]
crisis, it be can be pretty rough.
[1:10:34]
>> Yeah.
[1:10:37]
All righty.
[1:10:42]
» Excellence to come and we can take a
[1:10:45]
picture. I think
[1:10:48]
>> Okay. Or you want to do it? We could
[1:10:50]
take one with you.
[1:10:51]
>> Yeah. Come on. We'll just do you.
[1:10:55]
>> Oh, crew of excellent delta. Hey. Oh,
[1:10:57]
you y'all want to approve if I come back
[1:10:59]
first?
[1:11:00]
>> Hey, Mrs. Stacy. Real combo. Miss Judy,
[1:11:03]
you don't have to go too far. That's
[1:11:05]
okay.
[1:11:06]
>> Eli,
[1:11:07]
>> uh, yes.
[1:11:08]
>> Nelson,
[1:11:09]
>> yes.
[1:11:10]
>> Smith Kirkindall,
[1:11:11]
>> yes.
[1:11:12]
>> Harington,
[1:11:12]
>> yes.
[1:11:13]
>> PT,
[1:11:13]
>> yes.
[1:11:14]
>> All right, that motion carries. All
[1:11:15]
right, Miss Shooter.
[1:11:23]
» Yeah. Yeah.
[1:11:26]
Oh,
[1:11:28]
that's
[1:11:30]
too
[1:11:51]
» big.
[1:12:05]
They have too many meals.
[1:12:30]
Appreciate y'all crew of excellence in
[1:12:32]
Deltas. What community organization
[1:12:35]
should be doing. Continue to bring that positive attention. All right.
[1:12:40]
Next, we have another proclamation. It's
[1:12:42]
read by Councilman Nielson.
[1:12:43]
>> Thank you, Mayor. I'm getting hungry
[1:12:45]
just looking at this one. Resolution
[1:12:48]
number 61 of 2026, proclamation
[1:12:51]
declaring September 18th and 19th, 2026
[1:12:56]
as Nacades meat pie festival days in the
[1:12:59]
city of Nacadesh. Whereas records show
[1:13:02]
that the concept of the meat pie took
[1:13:04]
shape in the mid 1700s in Louisiana by
[1:13:08]
Native Americans and later enhanced by
[1:13:10]
the Spanish. And whereas 56 years ago,
[1:13:14]
James Lzion opened up his meat pie
[1:13:17]
kitchen, which is still in operation
[1:13:19]
today in historic downtown Nacadesh. And
[1:13:23]
whereas the recipe of the meat pie has
[1:13:25]
changed slightly from its inception and
[1:13:27]
has been handed down from generation to
[1:13:29]
generation. However, the basic
[1:13:32]
ingredient and the process for creating
[1:13:34]
a meat pie remains the same. And whereas
[1:13:37]
with the abundance with an abundance of
[1:13:40]
excitement in 2002, the Nacadish Meat
[1:13:43]
Pie Festival was formed to celebrate the
[1:13:46]
noted culinary staple in Nacades,
[1:13:49]
Louisiana. And whereas in 2003, the
[1:13:52]
Nacadish Meat Pie was named Louisiana's
[1:13:55]
official meat pie. And Nacades was one
[1:13:58]
of the last cities to not have an
[1:14:01]
identified food festival until 2002. And
[1:14:05]
whereas the annual festival attracts
[1:14:07]
visitors from throughout the state in
[1:14:10]
over a dozen of other states as well
[1:14:12]
each year. And whereas the festival has
[1:14:15]
always been a familyoriented
[1:14:18]
non-admission required event over a
[1:14:20]
two-day period in downtown Nacades
[1:14:24]
helping to enhance the area's economy
[1:14:26]
with individual activities that can be
[1:14:28]
enjoyed at a small fee. And whereas the
[1:14:31]
organizing committee for the festival is
[1:14:34]
a complete volunteer committee. And
[1:14:36]
whereas the Knackers Meepot Festival is
[1:14:39]
returning by popular demand after a
[1:14:42]
two-year break due to the novel Corona virus that needs to be taken out
[1:14:48]
of there. Now therefore, I Ronnie
[1:14:50]
Williams Jr. and the Nacades City
[1:14:52]
Council do hereby proclaim September 18
[1:14:56]
and 19, 2026 as Nakadesh meat pie
[1:15:00]
festival dates.
[1:15:01]
>> Oh, I see what you're saying.
[1:15:02]
>> That we adopt resolution number 61 of
[1:15:05]
2026.
[1:15:06]
>> Second.
[1:15:07]
>> All right. Motion is made and second. I
[1:15:10]
see what you're saying, Councilman Nson.
[1:15:12]
So, we'll get that out for next year's
[1:15:15]
proclamation. Hey, we just we've been
[1:15:17]
doing these proclamations about it.
[1:15:20]
um concern in regarding each of our
[1:15:24]
festivals just kind of bring some
[1:15:25]
attention. Obviously, we do videos as
[1:15:27]
well. We dropped a video today on the
[1:15:28]
Zidatico Festival. This particular
[1:15:30]
festival is, as we see up here, the 18th
[1:15:34]
and the 19th of September. Um so, we're
[1:15:37]
looking forward and it's a while the
[1:15:38]
Zadico Festival Chief is only $20 on
[1:15:42]
that Saturday and Friday is free, but um
[1:15:45]
what the Meep folks like to say, they're
[1:15:47]
totally free all weekend. um admission
[1:15:50]
that is obviously um any food you want
[1:15:53]
you have to pay for that drinks and um
[1:15:56]
they have some they have some rides and
[1:15:58]
things like that. So it's going to be a
[1:16:00]
fun weekend like I said already we're
[1:16:01]
getting into a busy busy season.
[1:16:04]
Christmas fest is coming obviously but
[1:16:05]
even before that um like we said we'll
[1:16:09]
talk about the Bigfoot um we've got
[1:16:12]
Meepi, you've got the car show, you've
[1:16:14]
got Top of the Boot, then so many other
[1:16:16]
things happening. So, um, really great.
[1:16:19]
But, you know, anytime we have people
[1:16:23]
and go and talk to folks, they say
[1:16:25]
something about the naggish meat pie
[1:16:26]
and, uh, different ways to make them,
[1:16:29]
you know. Um, so, so really that's one
[1:16:32]
of the things that identify us. We don't
[1:16:34]
have anybody I don't think we have
[1:16:36]
anybody from the meat pie committee
[1:16:38]
here, but again, we just kind of like to
[1:16:40]
do this. This is one step in trying to
[1:16:42]
bring attention to that festival. All
[1:16:44]
righty. Um, any comments or questions
[1:16:46]
here?
[1:16:49]
>> All right. See, Mr. Sy, roll call vote.
[1:16:51]
>> Eli,
[1:16:51]
>> yes.
[1:16:52]
>> Nelson,
[1:16:53]
>> yes.
[1:16:53]
>> Smith Perkin Doll,
[1:16:55]
>> yes.
[1:16:55]
>> Harrington,
[1:16:56]
>> yes.
[1:16:56]
>> PT,
[1:16:57]
>> yes. All right, that motion carries.
[1:16:59]
Again, the 19th, the 18th and 19th of
[1:17:01]
September. All right, we have a couple
[1:17:04]
ordinances that are up for a vote
[1:17:05]
tonight. And the first one is read by
[1:17:07]
Councilman Harrington. Ordinance 28 of
[1:17:10]
2026, an ordinance authorizing the mayor
[1:17:12]
of the city of Nacadish to award the bid
[1:17:14]
for hanger door replacement at the
[1:17:17]
Nacadish regional airport. This was
[1:17:19]
introduced at the last meeting. I move
[1:17:21]
to adopt ordinance 28 of 2026.
[1:17:24]
>> Second.
[1:17:25]
>> Okay. Motion made and seconded. All
[1:17:28]
right. Hangor replacement. I think this
[1:17:30]
is 100% paid for by state and federal.
[1:17:34]
Is that correct?
[1:17:35]
>> That's correct.
[1:17:36]
>> Okay. So,
[1:17:36]
>> yeah. 95% FAA and 5% space.
[1:17:40]
>> Okay, good.
[1:17:43]
All right, any questions about this
[1:17:45]
item?
[1:17:48]
>> All right, seeing Mr. Stacy, roll call
[1:17:50]
vote.
[1:17:51]
>> Eli,
[1:17:51]
>> yes.
[1:17:52]
>> Nelson,
[1:17:53]
>> yes.
[1:17:53]
>> Smith Kirkindall,
[1:17:54]
>> yes.
[1:17:55]
>> Harington,
[1:17:55]
>> yes.
[1:17:57]
>> All right, that motion carries. Uh the
[1:17:59]
second ordinance that's up for final is
[1:18:02]
Councilman uh well it's dealing with
[1:18:04]
revoking dedication but it's read by
[1:18:06]
Councilman Nielson.
[1:18:08]
Uh ordinance number 29 was introduced at
[1:18:11]
our last meeting. I'll read it in title
[1:18:13]
only. an ordinance revoking the
[1:18:15]
dedication of a portion of Third Street
[1:18:18]
which is situated in section 139
[1:18:21]
Township 9 North Rain 7 West City and
[1:18:24]
Parish and Nacades being that portion of
[1:18:28]
Third Street located south of Church
[1:18:30]
Street declaring that said portion of
[1:18:32]
Third Street is abandoned and the
[1:18:35]
dedication revoked providing for an
[1:18:38]
effective date of the ordinance and
[1:18:40]
saving clause and I've been assured that
[1:18:42]
we get to retain the servitude. So I
[1:18:45]
move to adopt ordinance number 29 of
[1:18:49]
2026.
[1:18:50]
>> Second.
[1:18:51]
>> Motion made and seconded.
[1:18:55]
Um
[1:18:57]
I think we have an attorney here but I
[1:18:59]
don't if you don't have to say look I
[1:19:01]
think most people didn't even realize
[1:19:04]
this was
[1:19:05]
>> a thing.
[1:19:06]
>> Yeah. Like that that third street used
[1:19:09]
to go that way. But um is here.
[1:19:12]
>> That's all.
[1:19:13]
>> Yeah. But he may or may not have
[1:19:14]
anything to say. You want to say
[1:19:16]
something?
[1:19:16]
>> All right. You don't have to Chris.
[1:19:18]
>> You good?
[1:19:19]
>> Okay. State your first and last name
[1:19:21]
there. Sir,
[1:19:21]
>> Mr. Mayor uh city council. My name is
[1:19:24]
Chris Henry and I initiated the request
[1:19:28]
for abandonment on this property on
[1:19:31]
behalf of the First Baptist Church and
[1:19:35]
uh the new owner of my office, which is
[1:19:37]
Fair Legacy 3 LLC.
[1:19:40]
And this portion of Third Street has is
[1:19:45]
very familiar to me because it's been my
[1:19:46]
driveway for the last 34 years.
[1:19:50]
And uh it was initially
[1:19:53]
kept
[1:19:54]
by uh the city as Third Street because
[1:19:58]
it allowed access to St. Mary's which
[1:20:01]
was originally behind which is now owned
[1:20:04]
by the First Baptist Church. But again,
[1:20:07]
uh the road is in really bad shape. It's
[1:20:13]
got ruts and uh the Baptist church and
[1:20:17]
uh the new owner uh Fair Legacy would
[1:20:20]
like to u to basically repave it, make
[1:20:23]
it a decent driveway and that's why
[1:20:26]
we're we're we are requesting the
[1:20:28]
abandonment at this time.
[1:20:31]
>> Any question?
[1:20:31]
>> You name is Henry. Any questions for Mr.
[1:20:33]
Henry?
[1:20:34]
>> All right. Thank you, sir.
[1:20:36]
>> Thank you.
[1:20:37]
>> Okay. Any other comments or questions?
[1:20:41]
All right. I ain't seeing none. We did
[1:20:42]
get a motion. Second, right?
[1:20:44]
>> Yes.
[1:20:44]
>> Uh, roll call vote.
[1:20:45]
>> Eli,
[1:20:46]
>> yes.
[1:20:46]
>> Nelson,
[1:20:47]
>> yes.
[1:20:47]
>> Smith Kirk,
[1:20:49]
>> yes.
[1:20:49]
>> Harington,
[1:20:50]
>> yes.
[1:20:52]
>> All right, that motion carries.
[1:20:55]
All right, we've got two ordinances that
[1:20:57]
are for up for introduction tonight. And
[1:21:00]
the first one is read by Councilman PT.
[1:21:03]
>> Thank you, mayor. Ordinance number 030
[1:21:05]
of 2026, an ordinance authorizing the
[1:21:08]
mayor of the city of Nagadish, Ronnie
[1:21:10]
Williams, to execute a lease in favor of
[1:21:13]
JL Aviation of that 24,500
[1:21:17]
square ft area shown and depicted on May
[1:21:21]
20 21 of 2026 survey Brandon C. Thornton
[1:21:26]
and further providing for advertising of
[1:21:28]
the lease and effective date. Whereas
[1:21:31]
further under the authority of Louisiana
[1:21:33]
Revised Statute 2135,
[1:21:36]
the city has offered a lease with a term
[1:21:38]
of 25 years with consideration of 12
[1:21:42]
cent per square foot of a 2 or $2,940
[1:21:48]
per year. All is set forth in an
[1:21:50]
attached lease agreement by and between
[1:21:52]
the city of negatives and JL Aviation
[1:21:56]
together with an option to renew for an
[1:21:58]
additional 25-year period. And this is
[1:22:01]
for introduction only.
[1:22:06]
Okay.
[1:22:10]
So, Ed, just kind of give me some
[1:22:12]
background here a minute.
[1:22:13]
>> Yeah. This uh is Jeff Lindcott. This J
[1:22:16]
as JL Aviation.
[1:22:19]
He is interested or he's ready to uh
[1:22:23]
move one of his businesses here to
[1:22:26]
Nackadish. And if you see the two
[1:22:27]
hangers in the kind of the upper left
[1:22:30]
corner, the two tan hangers, his hanger
[1:22:32]
will be like the next one further to
[1:22:35]
your left. It will be larger than either
[1:22:37]
one of those two hangers. It'll be the
[1:22:38]
largest building on the airport. It's be
[1:22:40]
a 100x 120 ft hanger. He has three
[1:22:44]
helicopters, two airplanes, and he does
[1:22:48]
it's all business. It's for um aerial
[1:22:52]
mapping. He does with the helicopters.
[1:22:54]
He does the aerial mapping like low and
[1:22:57]
slow and down to the detail where um oh
[1:23:02]
god, what's his name? Don Cumins at Air
[1:23:05]
Data Solutions. He does his aerial
[1:23:07]
survey in much higher and faster in
[1:23:11]
airplanes. So this will be lower and
[1:23:13]
slower and um I don't know the
[1:23:16]
difference in the detail if one will be
[1:23:17]
better than the other but they're not
[1:23:19]
they won't be competing against each
[1:23:20]
other in a way they'll be actually
[1:23:22]
complenting each other and this will be
[1:23:25]
a good u good addition to the airport
[1:23:30]
>> how many you know how many vacancies we
[1:23:32]
have now
[1:23:34]
>> you mean as far as vac openings for
[1:23:36]
airplanes we're full with airplanes
[1:23:38]
>> okay in terms of hangers
[1:23:40]
>> space and hangers Yeah,
[1:23:41]
>> that are already built. But you we could
[1:23:43]
build more.
[1:23:44]
>> And we're working on uh it's a slow
[1:23:47]
process, but we're working on building
[1:23:48]
another set of tea hangers.
[1:23:50]
>> Okay.
[1:23:51]
>> But that's probably three or four years
[1:23:52]
off before all the FAA funding and
[1:23:55]
everything gets in place.
[1:23:58]
>> Hey, it's good to be full.
[1:24:00]
>> Yeah,
[1:24:00]
>> good to be full.
[1:24:02]
Any questions, comments, council?
[1:24:06]
All right. So, we'll see this in our
[1:24:08]
first meeting in September. We'll see
[1:24:11]
this back.
[1:24:12]
>> Okay. All right. We've got another item
[1:24:15]
that has already been referenced a few
[1:24:17]
times tonight um for introduction and
[1:24:19]
Councilman Harrington is in charge of
[1:24:21]
this one. This is ordinance 31 of 2026.
[1:24:24]
An ordinance establishing a six-month
[1:24:26]
moratorum upon the consideration receipt
[1:24:29]
andor processing of all future impending
[1:24:33]
applications for placement of a mural in
[1:24:35]
the historic district of the city of
[1:24:36]
Nacades setting a public hearing date
[1:24:39]
and further providing with respect there
[1:24:41]
too. Whereas the city of Nakage finds it
[1:24:43]
necessary to oppose an immediate
[1:24:44]
moratorium on the consideration, receipt
[1:24:46]
or processing of all applications for
[1:24:49]
any license or permit for the placement
[1:24:51]
of murals in the historic district of
[1:24:53]
the city of Nacades in order to provide
[1:24:55]
time to research and possibly the
[1:24:57]
development of and implementation of an
[1:24:59]
ordinance that will provide
[1:25:00]
clarification for the regulation and
[1:25:03]
permitting of murals in the Nacadus
[1:25:05]
Historic District. And whereas further
[1:25:08]
an issue has recently come before the
[1:25:10]
Nacadesh historic district commission
[1:25:12]
regarding the placement of a mural
[1:25:13]
within the Nacades Historic District and
[1:25:15]
questions been raised regarding the
[1:25:17]
regulation of murals under the current
[1:25:19]
historic district ordinance and the
[1:25:21]
possible impact that a mural may have to
[1:25:23]
the character of the district and
[1:25:24]
possible impact to the current
[1:25:26]
designation of the district as a
[1:25:29]
landmark district. And whereas further
[1:25:32]
the city council's opinion, it is in the
[1:25:34]
interest of the citizens of the city of
[1:25:36]
Nacades as well as a Nacadesh historic
[1:25:38]
district to undertake research aimed at
[1:25:40]
the possible development of an ordinance
[1:25:42]
that will provide for clear and
[1:25:44]
objective standards and regulations that
[1:25:46]
protect the historic character of this
[1:25:48]
Nacades historic district which ensuring
[1:25:51]
that any regulations comply with
[1:25:52]
applicable constitutional requirements.
[1:25:55]
And whereas further the city council of
[1:25:58]
the city of Nacish would like to
[1:25:59]
research and study how other historic
[1:26:01]
districts regulate and enforce murals
[1:26:04]
and review guidelines from the United
[1:26:06]
States Department of the Interior in
[1:26:07]
order to determine what guidelines,
[1:26:09]
standards, criteria, and other
[1:26:11]
procedures are necessary to regulate
[1:26:13]
murals in the Nacadus historic district.
[1:26:16]
And whereas further the city council of
[1:26:18]
the city of Nacadus has the authority to
[1:26:20]
adopt a moratorum for the purpose of
[1:26:22]
preserving the status quo while
[1:26:24]
guidelines, standards, criter criteria
[1:26:26]
and procedures are considered prepared
[1:26:28]
and adopted.
[1:26:30]
And now therefore, be it ordained that
[1:26:32]
the city of Nacadas hereby imposes a
[1:26:34]
moratorum upon the consideration,
[1:26:36]
receipt, and or processing of all future
[1:26:39]
applications or permits for placement of
[1:26:41]
murals in the Nacades historic district
[1:26:43]
for 6 months from the effective date of
[1:26:45]
this ordinance until the city has
[1:26:47]
completed its study and implemented any
[1:26:49]
changes deemed necessary. This is for
[1:26:51]
introduction only.
[1:26:53]
>> All right. Okay.
[1:26:59]
» Yeah.
[1:27:03]
And actually this is probably for the
[1:27:05]
city attorney. Um our commission meets
[1:27:10]
on September the 8th. There is an
[1:27:13]
application that has been put in for
[1:27:16]
another mural. How are we to address
[1:27:19]
this since you are requesting a
[1:27:21]
moratorum?
[1:27:24]
>> How often y'all meet?
[1:27:26]
>> We meet once a month.
[1:27:28]
>> Okay. The city council will meet after
[1:27:31]
we meet.
[1:27:33]
>> What is the next date of your meeting?
[1:27:35]
>> September
[1:27:37]
14th.
[1:27:38]
>> So we meet September the 8th.
[1:27:41]
>> Okay. Could y'all delay that until this
[1:27:44]
final vote?
[1:27:45]
>> I mean that would be I guess up to I
[1:27:47]
mean I can but
[1:27:49]
>> I don't I don't know your your rules on
[1:27:51]
your meetings. Is it
[1:27:53]
>> You mean can we delay our meeting is
[1:27:55]
what you're asking? Not not the meeting
[1:27:56]
except the the item that's on your
[1:27:58]
agenda.
[1:28:00]
>> Shantrell
[1:28:03]
» I don't know I this has never come up
[1:28:05]
before.
[1:28:07]
>> We can ask the applicant.
[1:28:09]
>> Yeah I can look or look at your rules
[1:28:11]
and it should
[1:28:12]
>> there's nothing in the rules about
[1:28:15]
this particular
[1:28:16]
>> No this is a agenda item that's on
[1:28:19]
>> this is an agenda it's on the agenda.
[1:28:21]
You can you could knowing that there's
[1:28:23]
new legislation coming from the city
[1:28:25]
council,
[1:28:26]
>> you could move to table that to wait for
[1:28:30]
the ruling the the vote for the city
[1:28:32]
council.
[1:28:32]
>> I just want to make sure whatever we do
[1:28:34]
is proper procedure.
[1:28:36]
>> I I think I would suggest
[1:28:38]
>> tableabling it and explain that to the
[1:28:41]
applicant.
[1:28:42]
>> Okay. Yeah.
[1:28:42]
>> Well, I I could to make it to clare to
[1:28:46]
make it more, you know, it might make it
[1:28:49]
easier is right now this says
[1:28:52]
um from the effective date of this
[1:28:55]
ordinance, which will mean the day we
[1:28:57]
vote on it. I could say a six-month
[1:28:59]
moratorum from the date of the
[1:29:01]
introduction of this ordinance.
[1:29:04]
>> Yeah. So once it's once it's voted on,
[1:29:07]
it'll be retroactive to today.
[1:29:10]
>> And that how you will vote on somebody's
[1:29:13]
application that's already been filed by
[1:29:15]
passing a law to retroactively impact an
[1:29:18]
application that's been filed. I don't
[1:29:20]
know how you do that.
[1:29:22]
>> And I don't know how you continue it
[1:29:23]
either then.
[1:29:24]
>> And I'll be deadly honest with you. This
[1:29:26]
is City Bank. They have been trying to
[1:29:30]
get this approved. They have not filed
[1:29:32]
an application for a long time, but they
[1:29:34]
have come and been working with insalter
[1:29:38]
for months and months trying to
[1:29:40]
formulate something that would be
[1:29:42]
acceptable to the commission and then
[1:29:44]
followed our rules.
[1:29:46]
See, we I I went and tal I went and
[1:29:48]
talked to them because I knew that in
[1:29:50]
the background we were trying to work
[1:29:52]
with some ordinance trying to get an
[1:29:54]
ordinance built for this and I asked
[1:29:56]
them to put it off and they were going
[1:29:59]
to come before they filed to come last
[1:30:01]
month and we said no, we need to wait
[1:30:03]
and see what the city council does. I'm
[1:30:06]
just trying, you know, I want to follow
[1:30:07]
all the rules. I want to make it easy
[1:30:09]
for them. I don't want to go through
[1:30:11]
this again. We've had to go through with
[1:30:12]
the tailor. It's not fair to us and it's
[1:30:14]
not fair to the applicant
[1:30:16]
>> and so I need advice.
[1:30:17]
>> Yeah, I would I would at your meeting
[1:30:20]
have a discussion about it and y'all can
[1:30:22]
move to to table it and tell the city
[1:30:24]
council to vote on the next legislation
[1:30:27]
since you know it's coming.
[1:30:28]
>> But I see what Jared's saying. They
[1:30:30]
filed under the current ordinances. So
[1:30:33]
their application is like the tailor or
[1:30:36]
under how the ordinances stand today. So
[1:30:39]
then how can they table it and then we
[1:30:41]
come back and say oh we changed the
[1:30:42]
ordinances now
[1:30:43]
>> what they filed
[1:30:45]
>> another issue is too they file an
[1:30:48]
application for a mural. Oh yeah.
[1:30:50]
>> Yes. And it's larger than that mural.
[1:30:53]
>> Okay.
[1:30:53]
>> Takes up the whole wall.
[1:30:55]
>> It's 18t tall, 37 feet wide.
[1:30:59]
>> Yeah. And that's the problem I thought
[1:31:00]
we were going to get into. People just
[1:31:02]
going to want to put up murals and you
[1:31:04]
have to have something. You open a
[1:31:05]
Pandora's open Pandora for other to do
[1:31:08]
this. But I would think that you all
[1:31:10]
would have the um
[1:31:12]
>> legal ability to just post I mean not
[1:31:15]
postpone but give let them know that
[1:31:19]
they that you're not
[1:31:21]
uh agreeing to give them a permit just
[1:31:24]
>> that's why I'm asking the city attorney
[1:31:26]
legally what can we do success
[1:31:37]
the only reason you're taking that
[1:31:38]
applications because you know this is
[1:31:40]
going to get passed and so you want it
[1:31:42]
to apply to us. You really can't change
[1:31:44]
the rules of the game after it started
[1:31:46]
and from their standpoint the game
[1:31:49]
started when they filed their
[1:31:50]
application.
[1:31:51]
>> So the rules should be defined based on
[1:31:53]
what they were what the rules existed as
[1:31:56]
the time the application was filed. And
[1:31:58]
so that's why one of the reasons I
[1:32:01]
cautioned about allowing murals in the
[1:32:03]
first place because I don't think we're
[1:32:05]
now going to be able to say, "Oh,
[1:32:07]
that's, you know, that's not good art.
[1:32:10]
It's just going to be, hey, we allow
[1:32:12]
murals. The murals
[1:32:15]
get approved.
[1:32:17]
>> I want to see a more in place."
[1:32:19]
>> I could just take a look at y'all rules.
[1:32:22]
>> Pardon me?
[1:32:22]
>> I could take a look at y'all rules
[1:32:24]
before your meeting.
[1:32:27]
>> Okay. Okay.
[1:32:27]
>> Cuz you said this is a bigger one. This
[1:32:29]
is already already made and this is
[1:32:30]
being introduced.
[1:32:31]
>> This one uh Mr. Taylor, do you remember
[1:32:33]
the size of this mural?
[1:32:36]
>> 8 ft by 24.
[1:32:37]
>> Pardon me.
[1:32:38]
>> 8 ft by
[1:32:39]
>> 8 ft.
[1:32:42]
by 24 ft. Okay. Theirs is 24 ft
[1:32:45]
long. This one is 37t long. Okay.
[1:32:49]
>> Theirs is 4t tall.
[1:32:51]
>> 8 ft tall.
[1:32:52]
This is 18t tall.
[1:32:56]
>> Mhm. And it's on the side of your
[1:32:58]
building.
[1:33:00]
>> It's not if they own that side of the
[1:33:01]
building, but that's where it's located.
[1:33:04]
>> So, we're in a conundrum again.
[1:33:06]
>> Yeah.
[1:33:07]
>> What do we do?
[1:33:09]
>> We're back to square one.
[1:33:11]
>> So, were you going to approve this one?
[1:33:14]
That's the question.
[1:33:15]
>> Who's talking? Oh, I'm sorry.
[1:33:16]
>> Me, Councilwoman.
[1:33:19]
>> I'm sorry. I couldn't I knew it was a
[1:33:20]
lady. I couldn't find you.
[1:33:21]
>> Our current ordinances don't say
[1:33:22]
anything about size or anything. That's
[1:33:24]
why we have that's why you got to get
[1:33:26]
this as far as sizing and everything.
[1:33:28]
>> They've already appi they've already
[1:33:30]
they've slipped in your question. Would
[1:33:33]
I have voted to approve the application?
[1:33:35]
Absolutely not. I don't think I think
[1:33:37]
it's a hor it's a horrible idea to allow
[1:33:39]
me
[1:33:40]
the first place and so I I just don't I
[1:33:44]
wouldn't have done it. I think the vast
[1:33:46]
majority I can't speak for him but based
[1:33:48]
on observations that I have I don't
[1:33:49]
think hardly anybody on that commission
[1:33:52]
>> I would be concerned because of the size
[1:33:54]
that it would not not pass and when I
[1:33:58]
started conversation with city bank
[1:34:00]
months ago I told Josh that they could
[1:34:04]
apply as a sign because they are
[1:34:06]
grandfathered in from the fact that they
[1:34:09]
already have two existing signs painted
[1:34:12]
on their building. And I said, Josh, if
[1:34:15]
you take the two signs and put them
[1:34:17]
together, that would be adequate, that would be grandfathered in because
[1:34:23]
that's what you had before. They're
[1:34:24]
eliminating the two making one. And that
[1:34:28]
would be the size to me that would be
[1:34:30]
allowable under the grandfather clause.
[1:34:32]
And they're grandfathered in because
[1:34:33]
it's been up there, I don't know, 40, 50
[1:34:36]
years. It's been up there forever, you
[1:34:38]
know. So, but now because of this, I
[1:34:42]
need to know legally what I can do.
[1:34:45]
>> Yeah. I think you if your rules don't
[1:34:48]
allow for you to delay it, I think you
[1:34:50]
make a decision and maybe we end up with
[1:34:52]
an appeal here again and then we can
[1:34:54]
address whether or not the moratorum
[1:34:57]
suspends the action that was taken by
[1:34:59]
your
[1:35:00]
>> some guidance about I mean, how are we
[1:35:04]
supposed to evaluate this. I mean, we have specific
[1:35:11]
rules. We just didn't think these were
[1:35:13]
prohibited and so we just weren't going
[1:35:16]
to approve it. I mean, are we supposed
[1:35:18]
to consider the quality of the artwork
[1:35:21]
that's done, the color of it? I mean, I
[1:35:24]
don't know how, you know, whether or not
[1:35:26]
it comply or it complements the rest of
[1:35:29]
the community. I just don't know how
[1:35:31]
we're supposed to evaluate city banks
[1:35:33]
applications. We don't have any rules to
[1:35:36]
apply to their application.
[1:35:38]
>> Yeah. And currently, that's the reason
[1:35:40]
we're doing this. You It's vague.
[1:35:42]
Darness is vague.
[1:35:44]
>> So, we got to deal with it where it is.
[1:35:46]
>> So, you see how we were a month ago.
[1:35:48]
>> Yeah.
[1:35:49]
We have no guidance and that's why
[1:35:51]
we're here.
[1:35:51]
>> See now,
[1:35:52]
>> I don't I think the definition of a
[1:35:55]
significant
[1:36:03]
is
[1:36:06]
It's not. Yeah, it's not. Well, it's
[1:36:08]
not. Murals is not in the ordinance.
[1:36:10]
Okay. So, it's not but it's not
[1:36:11]
prohibited either.
[1:36:13]
>> We do have definition because we
[1:36:16]
required to get approval of every
[1:36:17]
alteration
[1:36:19]
>> if that type of addition is not
[1:36:21]
permitted under the rules. I think by
[1:36:22]
definition it's not allowed,
[1:36:24]
>> right?
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>> Default to to not allowing it. But I we
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just want to make sure when we're
[1:36:30]
dealing with city bank on our next
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meeting that we don't do something
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because they really want that sign up
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there
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>> and we tell them no
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that we don't uh turn around and get the
[1:36:43]
city sued. We don't we're trying to call
[1:36:46]
less problem. So
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>> okay.
[1:36:49]
>> Yeah. I think you make your decision if
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we can't
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>> no other way.
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>> All right. Thank you.
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>> Just the process.
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>> All right. Thank you.
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>> Okay. And again, this is just
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introduction,
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so we have a little time to think about
[1:37:01]
this some more, and it'll be on our
[1:37:04]
September 14th meeting. Okay.
[1:37:07]
>> Yep. Okay. All right. We have two
[1:37:10]
resolutions left
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and the first resolution is read by
[1:37:16]
Councilwoman Laura Smith, Kirk.
[1:37:18]
>> Thank you, Mayor. This is a resolution
[1:37:21]
number 059 of 2026.
[1:37:24]
A resolution approving a temporary site
[1:37:28]
license with new singular wireless PCS
[1:37:31]
and authorizing the mayor of the city of
[1:37:33]
Nacage, Ronnie Williams Jr. to execute
[1:37:35]
same on behalf of the city of Nacage.
[1:37:38]
Whereas the city has has negotiated a
[1:37:40]
temporary site license with the new
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Singular Wireless
[1:37:46]
PCS LLC,
[1:37:49]
referred to as Singular, which will
[1:37:51]
allow Singular to temporarily locate
[1:37:55]
communications transmitting and
[1:37:57]
receiving equipment on property of the
[1:37:58]
city of Nakage. Whereas the whereas the
[1:38:02]
agreement would provide for improved
[1:38:04]
communications for citizens of and
[1:38:06]
visitors to the city of Nackis during a
[1:38:09]
period increased tourism from October
[1:38:12]
3rd, 2026
[1:38:14]
through January 9, 2027.
[1:38:18]
And whereas further the city council
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this is,
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excuse me, whereas further the city
[1:38:25]
council
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is of the opinion that the agreement
[1:38:28]
will be beneficial to the citizens of
[1:38:31]
the city of Nacanish as well as visitors
[1:38:34]
to the city as the increase in effective
[1:38:37]
cellular communication will result in an
[1:38:40]
increased safety of citizens and
[1:38:42]
visitors as well as convenience to
[1:38:44]
citizens and visitors. And whereas
[1:38:47]
further the city council of the city of
[1:38:49]
Nakash hereby has reviewed and approved
[1:38:53]
the attached temporary site license.
[1:38:56]
Now therefore be it resolved by the city
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council consider the attached temporary
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license. I I move uh well this is just
[1:39:04]
for introduction.
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So
[1:39:07]
>> no it's a resolution. So it's it's you
[1:39:10]
could
[1:39:11]
>> introduction.
[1:39:12]
>> No it's resolution.
[1:39:13]
>> No you can vote on it. Yeah you can
[1:39:15]
motion. Whereas further the city council
[1:39:18]
um of NASA Louisiana has reviewed and
[1:39:21]
approved the attached temporary site
[1:39:23]
license and desires to authorize the
[1:39:26]
mayor Ronda Williams Jr. to execute same
[1:39:28]
and therefore now be resolved by the
[1:39:31]
city council of the city of Nackage that
[1:39:33]
the attend that the attached temporary
[1:39:35]
site license is approved and that the
[1:39:38]
mayor of the city of Nakage Ronda
[1:39:40]
Williams Jr. is hereby authorized to
[1:39:42]
execute the attached temporary site
[1:39:44]
license. So I move for adoption
[1:39:46]
resolution number 059 2026.
[1:39:49]
>> Second motion made and seconded. Ed, I
[1:39:52]
know this is something we do every year,
[1:39:54]
right?
[1:39:54]
>> Yeah, we've been doing this for many
[1:39:56]
years. All the infrastructure is in
[1:39:58]
place. All they have to do is bring
[1:40:00]
their covered trailer, plug it in, hook
[1:40:03]
up their electric meter, raise their
[1:40:05]
antenna. And I'm I'm sure I'm
[1:40:07]
oversimplifying it, but it's been there
[1:40:09]
since they've been doing this for
[1:40:11]
probably close to 20 years now, just
[1:40:13]
guessing. Every year
[1:40:15]
>> support Christmas festival day or
[1:40:17]
>> throughout the season?
[1:40:19]
>> The the whole season. They'll put it up
[1:40:20]
in October and they'll take it down in
[1:40:22]
January. And it's
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>> u some of y'all may recall at Christmas
[1:40:27]
Festival, you use your phone, you can't
[1:40:28]
get a signal, you can't call. This is to
[1:40:32]
boost um add I guess capacity to the
[1:40:36]
cell towers and make it easier for
[1:40:38]
people to be able to call, text, email,
[1:40:41]
whatever it is they do on their phone.
[1:40:44]
>> Yeah, it's pretty bad during Christmas
[1:40:46]
fest of time. You can't talk.
[1:40:47]
>> Yeah, this is supposed to help that
[1:40:50]
depend.
[1:40:50]
>> Has it been helping?
[1:40:51]
>> Pardon me.
[1:40:52]
>> It's been helping with that.
[1:40:53]
>> Oh yeah.
[1:40:53]
>> Yeah.
[1:40:54]
>> I can remember years ago. I mean, you
[1:40:57]
just couldn't you couldn't even get out.
[1:40:59]
So, this has been helpful.
[1:41:00]
>> Okay. I guess I'm trying to stream the
[1:41:02]
SEC game and then always let me stream
[1:41:04]
that, though. But
[1:41:05]
>> yeah, but everything's in place. All
[1:41:07]
they have to do is is pull up, hook up,
[1:41:10]
and and go. And they paid for all the
[1:41:12]
infrastructure. The city did, and they
[1:41:14]
did this many years ago.
[1:41:17]
>> Okay. Any other questions?
[1:41:21]
>> All right. There's something we've been
[1:41:23]
doing that we need to do. All right. Uh,
[1:41:25]
Mrs. Stacy, roll call vote. Eli,
[1:41:28]
>> yes.
[1:41:28]
>> Nelson,
[1:41:29]
>> yes.
[1:41:29]
>> Smith, Perkendall,
[1:41:30]
>> yes.
[1:41:31]
>> Harington,
[1:41:31]
>> yes.
[1:41:32]
>> PT,
[1:41:32]
>> yes. All right, that motion carries.
[1:41:34]
Last resolution of the night. Then we
[1:41:37]
just have a few announcements is
[1:41:39]
Councilwoman Washington Eli.
[1:41:41]
>> Thank you, Mayor. I'm going to read
[1:41:43]
title only, which we already know what
[1:41:45]
the home room charter states at section
[1:41:48]
48.
[1:41:50]
Uh resolution
[1:41:52]
060 of 2026, a resolution confirming
[1:41:56]
that appointed of Blake Dawson as the
[1:41:58]
recreation
[1:42:00]
department for the city of Nagish. And I
[1:42:04]
move to adopt resolution number 60,
[1:42:07]
2026.
[1:42:09]
>> Second.
[1:42:09]
>> Motion made and seconded. Um Blake, I
[1:42:12]
think council, y'all have his resume and
[1:42:16]
um I think another document that I I
[1:42:18]
sent over there to you. I sent to you
[1:42:20]
via email. But um Blake has been with
[1:42:24]
the city parks and wreck. Now we're
[1:42:28]
approaching seven years. Um it will be a
[1:42:31]
seamless transition. Um for Blake to do
[1:42:34]
it, he's got an education background. I
[1:42:37]
think teachers can do anything they want
[1:42:38]
to do. So I think they're great at just
[1:42:41]
about everything. Train them a little
[1:42:42]
bit. But um yeah, so
[1:42:47]
people know him in the community. Um
[1:42:51]
although he's not from here, he's been
[1:42:54]
here for how long, Blake?
[1:42:56]
>> 20 years.
[1:42:57]
That's half That's more than
[1:42:59]
half your life.
[1:43:00]
>> That's right.
[1:43:00]
>> Right about half your life. Okay. All
[1:43:02]
right. So Blake, any remarks you'd like
[1:43:05]
to make at this time?
[1:43:06]
>> Uh just thank you. Thank you for your
[1:43:07]
appointment. Uh it's not something I
[1:43:09]
take lightly and thank you city council
[1:43:11]
for your support and your confidence.
[1:43:14]
>> Right. Okie dokie. Any comments or
[1:43:17]
questions?
[1:43:23]
» Okay. Seeing now Mr. Stacy. Roll call.
[1:43:27]
>> Yes.
[1:43:27]
>> Nelson.
[1:43:28]
>> Yes.
[1:43:29]
>> Smith Kirkind Doll.
[1:43:30]
>> Yes.
[1:43:30]
>> Harrington.
[1:43:31]
>> Yes.
[1:43:31]
>> PT.
[1:43:32]
>> Yes.
[1:43:32]
>> All right. That motion carries. Blake is
[1:43:34]
going to do a great job for city and
[1:43:35]
agonist parks and recck. All right. Uh
[1:43:38]
our next meeting is on the 14th. All
[1:43:40]
right. And then we're closed. Wanted to
[1:43:42]
say we're closed on next Friday. That's
[1:43:45]
that employee appreciation day. And then
[1:43:47]
also we're closed for Labor Day. So we
[1:43:50]
kind of give a long weekend, a longer
[1:43:52]
weekend there. All right. We always
[1:43:54]
encourage people to download the goatish
[1:43:57]
download um regroup because that's where
[1:44:00]
we put road closures, blockages, street blockages if you will,
[1:44:06]
streets that are being blocked off. Uh
[1:44:09]
the Cane River Zadico Festival, as I
[1:44:11]
said, we dropped the video today where,
[1:44:13]
you know, Bigfoot is going to be in town
[1:44:14]
in a couple days. I mean, actual
[1:44:16]
Bigfoot, I'm being serious. and uh we're
[1:44:18]
going to record a video with him and uh
[1:44:21]
he's said he's going to go somewhere and
[1:44:23]
come back Labor Day weekend, but we do
[1:44:26]
have the festival. He's going to be here
[1:44:27]
on Labor Day weekend, Septe September
[1:44:29]
5th. And this is the third annual from 9
[1:44:32]
to 6 p.m. So, we got two things
[1:44:34]
happening. Zadico Fest, it's free that
[1:44:37]
Friday night to Zadico Fest only $20
[1:44:40]
that Saturday. Um, I know they're having
[1:44:43]
Rusty Matuire and I know you're having
[1:44:46]
Marcus Aran on that particular night.
[1:44:48]
There's a poker run. Um, there's
[1:44:50]
Zadico's dance fest. And if you saw the
[1:44:53]
video today, you know, you know I'm I'm
[1:44:56]
going to be doing the Zadico dance fest,
[1:44:58]
whatever. Uh, dance competition, I think
[1:45:00]
it is. All right. Um, and then we also
[1:45:03]
have the Bigfoot Festival happening at
[1:45:04]
the Nagades Event Center from 9:00 to
[1:45:05]
6:00 p.m. So, uh, we're looking to get
[1:45:07]
people, uh, out to these, uh, events.
[1:45:10]
again shaping up to be a pretty busy
[1:45:12]
weekend. Again, that's next weekend.
[1:45:16]
>> All right. Then we have 25 years of the
[1:45:19]
Nacadesh Meepot Festival and we've
[1:45:21]
already talked about that with the
[1:45:22]
proclamation. We just ask people to come
[1:45:24]
out and we'll try to do what we can to
[1:45:26]
promote. I know they have a Facebook
[1:45:27]
page like these other organizations do,
[1:45:29]
but we'll do the best we can to help to
[1:45:31]
promote it. All right, sickale. You
[1:45:34]
heard Miss Judith earlier, Miss Judith
[1:45:35]
Hayes mention uh this event put on by
[1:45:38]
the Nagas alumni chapter of DEX Delta
[1:45:41]
Sigma Theta sorority. This is the third
[1:45:43]
annual sick cell uh awareness event is
[1:45:46]
at the outpatient medical clinic or I
[1:45:49]
think they're in collaboration with
[1:45:50]
let's see it's going to be at the MLK
[1:45:53]
Recreation Center from 10 to 12:00 p.m.
[1:45:56]
on um Meepot Festival Day uh September
[1:46:00]
19th that Saturday. opportunity to give
[1:46:02]
blood and um you know to help support
[1:46:04]
sex and learn about the disease and
[1:46:07]
maybe some progress that's been made.
[1:46:10]
All right, annual gayla. We've been
[1:46:12]
announcing this for a few weeks now. The
[1:46:14]
women resource center on September 24th
[1:46:17]
and it's always Nagus Event Center.
[1:46:19]
Usually a really good crowd. So um I
[1:46:22]
know the people within the city who look
[1:46:23]
forward to this event happening every
[1:46:25]
year.
[1:46:27]
The Nagadus car show is taking place on
[1:46:30]
that first weekend in October uh the
[1:46:33]
second and third. So um I think it's
[1:46:35]
grown just about every year and um you
[1:46:38]
know Nacket is just fortunate to have I
[1:46:41]
know Councilwoman at large and others
[1:46:43]
appreciate it historic district
[1:46:45]
commission but also we've got other
[1:46:47]
groups as well uh who helped to make
[1:46:49]
Nagish what it is. So historic district
[1:46:51]
business association is one of the
[1:46:53]
events they put on in addition to
[1:46:55]
Christmas festival. So kudos to them and
[1:46:57]
we certainly want to be there to support
[1:46:59]
our downtown businesses on this
[1:47:01]
particular day. See what cars out there.
[1:47:02]
One of my favorite events on on the
[1:47:04]
calendar. All right. Top of the booth.
[1:47:06]
This is new this year. Um Northwestern
[1:47:09]
is putting this on to help to support
[1:47:11]
some efforts that they have. But
[1:47:13]
everything I hear about it's going to be
[1:47:14]
a really really good really good
[1:47:16]
turnout. Um the artists that they have
[1:47:19]
I'm told are really really big. I think
[1:47:21]
they're more of the country. Are they
[1:47:23]
more country? like that's what it is.
[1:47:25]
But um I heard that there some pretty
[1:47:27]
big names. So this is Yeah, it's some
[1:47:30]
pretty big names. So Top of the Boot,
[1:47:31]
that's happening 16 to 17. And obviously
[1:47:34]
when I support tickets on sale now, uh
[1:47:36]
with that, they also have the house that
[1:47:38]
they're raffling off as well, which is,
[1:47:40]
you know, separate effort, but you know,
[1:47:43]
we love to support our university. Have
[1:47:45]
y'all had a chance to take a look at the
[1:47:46]
sign? Anybody out there on the
[1:47:47]
interstate? The refurbished sign? Take a
[1:47:49]
look at it when you go out there. Um it looks really nice. uh the sign which
[1:47:54]
is you know it's the same one on the
[1:47:55]
hill but
[1:47:56]
>> there's been some work been some work to
[1:47:58]
it uh partnership with Kane River
[1:48:00]
National Heritage Heritage Area uh the
[1:48:03]
city of Nacatish and Northwestern State
[1:48:05]
University so it looks really good so
[1:48:07]
that's happening 16 and 17 I think we
[1:48:08]
have one or two more that's it okay all
[1:48:10]
right great so a lot of announcements a
[1:48:13]
lot of things coming up this is our busy
[1:48:14]
season so um but at this time we'll hear
[1:48:17]
a motion to adjourn
[1:48:18]
>> I make a motion that we adjourn
[1:48:20]
>> second
[1:48:20]
>> All right in favor I
[1:48:22]
>> All Hey, meeting is a J. Y'all have a
[1:48:24]
great night everybody. Hey