[0:02] I guess they want to tell us that they've discovered that the new police

[0:06] station is being built to an engine burial ground. Well, actually they have

[0:12] already discovered

[0:16] » you don't know that when they started [clears throat]

[0:22] It's been four years.

[0:32] [clears throat] [laughter]

[0:42] And then what they said was [laughter] clearing

[0:49] took.

[0:58] » Do we have to wait till 7:15?

[1:02] » Yes.

[1:09] Okay, [laughter] we're close enough where we can wait a

[1:12] minute or two.

[1:25] Is there

[1:48] [laughter]

[2:05] I don't

[2:13] want to go down.

[2:18] Let's

[2:23] go for

[2:46] Let's

[2:56] [clears throat] just

[3:13] have a couple minutes. >> [laughter]

[3:39] » All right.

[3:44] Thank you.

[4:09] » Thanks, Donald. Um, I'd like to to welcome everybody out to city council

[4:15] this evening. Uh, we started 15 minutes late

[4:19] um for a reason. Uh, not very often I'm lost for words, but

[4:25] I'll try to find them and hopefully they they sound correct and come across

[4:29] correct. Um um we had a tragedy,

[4:34] I don't know how to ever put it, a tragedy um [clears throat] occur this

[4:38] weekend where um

[4:42] where we lost a member of our community and uh

[4:47] our local and we're lucky we didn't lose two people. Um,

[4:53] our officers

[4:57] put their lives on the line every day that they go out [clears throat]

[5:00] on the job to protect our community. And they have to make some really really

[5:06] difficult decisions and um very quick decisions and in

[5:11] situations that they're put in. and and uh

[5:15] we had a chance as a council to go meet with the wives of uh of our officers for

[5:22] a few minutes and hopefully provide them a little bit of support and um and

[5:27] direction I can um

[5:32] I have a child and I and I never know if she's going to wake up the next morning

[5:37] or not uh just because of some of her health issues she's got going on. But I

[5:42] can't imagine, and I know the anxiety and the

[5:48] uncertainty that that puts in my body all the time, but I can't imagine

[5:54] um the officer, the wives of our officers, uh sending their loved one out

[5:59] the door um for their shift and and not knowing how that shift is going to end

[6:04] and what's going to happen. And uh

[6:09] we as a council just want them to know how much we love and care and support

[6:15] and believe in what they do. And um and in the same sense, I hope that we

[6:22] have some grace and and love for the individual that was lost in our

[6:27] community. I think it was said really well on [clears throat] on uh Facebook.

[6:32] probably one of the the few things I think that was said well is where

[6:36] someone said, you know, there's there's family members involved in um

[6:41] um to give the children in in that

[6:45] situation some some grace and and some love and and those kind of things. And

[6:50] so, um, anyways, it it just really puts things

[6:56] in in check in reality of of what how fast things can turn and change. And I

[7:03] said it over there and I'll say it in here in this room.

[7:07] Um,

[7:10] Chief Morgan has done an amazing job of preparing um, our police department

[7:19] uh, for the future and for all sorts of different scenarios. Um, due to his

[7:24] forward thinking many years in advance, um, the things that were put in place to

[7:30] deal with the situation that you never hope to ever come. um he had quickly had

[7:36] things in place as far as services uh to help with his officers and to help

[7:41] within the community and do those different things. And that's one of many

[7:46] examples that I can that I can tell you as far as what I just seen with his

[7:50] forward thinking and his vision, a clear division vision of what Nephi City

[7:57] Police Department needs to be and the level of professionalism it can be. and

[8:01] and I'm thankful for his for his leadership all through all these years.

[8:06] Uh with that said, I will uh we'll go ahead and convene into regular meeting.

[8:10] Um Tate will offer offer the prayer and then Miss Nephi

[8:16] will will have their have their chance. I'm sorry. We'll do the pledge of

[8:21] allegiance. Got to get the brain going. Okay.

[8:26] [clears throat and cough] Our

[8:31] father in heaven, we come to the ine gratitude this day for the opportunity

[8:35] to meet and gather as friends and community members. And we pray for

[8:44] this community, especially at this time, those who are grieving and dealing with

[8:48] loss, those who are dealing with mental health issues or

[8:55] issues out of their control. We pray for grace to be upon them. Father, we are

[9:01] grateful for the government and this opportunity that we have to serve and

[9:06] work. And we we pray that we can

[9:12] be a team and do what's best for the people of our community and

[9:17] in line with thy will. And we are again grateful for

[9:21] this place that we live and call home, the beauty surrounding us. We're

[9:25] grateful for the rain and the weather that we've received to support those in

[9:30] our community. And again, we are praying for those who are

[9:35] hurt or suffering at this time that their burdens may be lightened. And we

[9:40] know that that can be through thy son, through Jesus Christ. And we pray in his

[9:47] name, Jesus Christ. Amen. Okay, you guys ready?

[9:56] » [clears throat] >> Repeat after me. I aliance to the flag

[10:02] of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One

[10:08] nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

[10:13] » Do you guys want will you introduce yourself and just kind of talk a little

[10:16] bit about your platforms and what you have going on?

[10:20] » Yes, of course. All right. Um, I am Harper Care and I am

[10:27] Miss Nefine 2026. I'm glad to be here. Glad to have said the pledge of

[10:33] allegiance for our city. >> Thank you.

[10:37] » I'm Ken Ingram. I'm your first tenant. My platform is about it's to help

[10:41] military families cope with deployment. >> My name is Maddie Ashford. I'm your

[10:47] second attendant and I just love Bey and I'm happy to be here. [laughter]

[10:52] Okay. Thank you guys. >> Appreciate all you guys do. Thank you so

[10:55] much. >> Um, Chief, am I turning the time over to

[10:59] you or Jace? Is it? >> Sure.

[11:03] » Okay. >> Yeah.

[11:04] » Uh, would you introduce our new officers?

[11:10] » So, go ahead and stand up, fellas. So, we've recently had the opportunity to do

[11:16] some testing with uh all of our command staff and our city councilman Callaway.

[11:24] Um, and we're excited to have these two new officers

[11:29] with our department. Um, we have Mitch Bailey and Ryan Costa. And

[11:36] I'll let each of them explain to you who they are and what they're all about.

[11:43] So, I'm Mitch Bailey. Um, I have seven years in law enforcement. Uh, I worked

[11:48] at Utah County and then at, uh, Salt Lake City before coming down here. My

[11:54] wife is a Nephi native. She loves it down here. We wanted to be closer to

[11:58] family. And I'm just excited to uh excited to be working in an area that I

[12:06] wanted to work in, in a great area with great people. So,

[12:09] » where are you from originally and who's your wife?

[12:11] » Uh, so I originally I mean, uh, I've got roots in

[12:18] San Pete County. Uh, but my, uh, like my grandma grew up in Fountain Green, but,

[12:24] uh, I was born in California. Uh, I grew up in Maryland and I moved to Provo when

[12:29] I was in high school. So, I've been I've been in Utah for about 15 years. So,

[12:34] cool. >> Yeah.

[12:35] » Then you said your wife's from here. So, >> yeah, my wife's from here. Uh if if you

[12:38] know the hairs, my wife is their oldest. So

[12:42] » yeah, they got the machine shop just walk over.

[12:46] » And once upon a time she was Miss Nephi. [laughter]

[12:52] [clears throat] >> Awesome. Well, I guess I'll stand over

[12:55] here. >> I'm Costa. Um I'm just a joy person of

[13:00] joy and fun. I came out here to just have fun and get to be in the small

[13:04] town. I got tired of the city. Um, I lived all over the West Coast. My dad's

[13:09] in the Navy. Um, I'm a Navy brat. My family's mostly in the military. Um,

[13:16] yeah. Feel free to come up and ask me questions if you ever see me out and

[13:20] about. I love to chat. Um, yeah. I'm just here to have a good time.

[13:24] » So, thank you for welcoming me. >> Do you [clears throat] have a wife?

[13:27] » I do. I do have a lovely wife. She's a nurse, a labor and delivery nurse. She's

[13:32] awesome. I couldn't do this without her. Um, and I have three kids. Um, they're

[13:38] four and under. And I'll just leave it at that. [laughter]

[13:43] » Tell them where you come from. >> Um, I worked at Pleasant Grove before

[13:47] here for almost 5 years. Um, so a lot bigger than here. Um, it was fun. I

[13:54] enjoyed it. Um, I live in Santa Quinn, so uh, I thought to work closer to home

[13:59] would be uh, ideal. And so far it's been great for me at least. Um, I've had lots

[14:04] of fun the last week, so hopefully it continues.

[14:08] » I know you guys have been hard at work. I've had the opportunity to meet both of

[14:12] you already. So, [laughter]

[14:16] » I'll let you say I've seen you out with [laughter]

[14:21] » it in the police.

[14:26] » That's top secret. [laughter] >> All right, hold on.

[14:31] » I got it. I'm holding mine.

[14:35] I got

[14:40] [laughter]

[14:42] » Yeah. >> I'll be looking for a motion to ratify

[14:46] the hiring. >> I'll second.

[14:49] » Okay. Jeremy with a second. >> All in favor?

[14:53] » With the first. >> Any opposed?

[14:56] » Motion passes. Thanks. >> Um, consent agend consent agenda.

[15:03] » Wait to hear if we [laughter]

[15:07] figured they had enough eyes, so they were out of here. Uh, we'll move into

[15:11] the consent agenda um for approval and minutes

[15:16] and claims.

[15:22] » [laughter]

[15:26] » I'll make a motion that we approve the minutes from council meeting 818 2026

[15:32] and the approval of claims I'll >> second

[15:36] count with the second all in favor >> I any opposed

[15:42] » motion passes public comment uh we have one individual that is signed up uh Mr.

[15:49] Armstrong. >> I've never done this before. Am I

[15:54] supposed to >> So the way uh we'll give you three

[15:57] minutes uh to present what you want to present the council listen to what your

[16:01] ideas are and then uh un we'll talk with the staff and then give them direction

[16:05] to how to address it. >> Okay.

[16:08] » Okay. Travis will be your time. [laughter]

[16:11] » I got Thank you. Uh my name is Dane Armstrong. I'm a Nephi resident. Moved

[16:17] here five years ago from Idaho. Uh, [clears throat]

[16:20] I've been talking with Shauna uh for the last few weeks and met her once several

[16:26] calls over the phone. Great employee by the way. Make sure she stays around. Um,

[16:31] I am not a developer, but I would like to formally request the council to

[16:37] review uh part of the city code. Um, with

[16:41] Shauna's advice, I printed out uh and would like to pass along the city Nephi

[16:47] city code. like passi city code for internal

[16:53] accessory dwelling units uh

[16:58] that uh as you as you know was adopted years back to comply with state code.

[17:06] Uh, also the second copy is the recently passed Utah SB284

[17:15] passed in the last legislative session in the state uh prohibiting cities from

[17:20] prohibiting detached accessory dwelling units in certain classifications. Nephi

[17:26] is not in that classification quite yet, but uh I believe that detached DADUs

[17:36] would be a benefit to our community. Uh there's a lot of people that struggle

[17:41] with affordability. Uh whether they're multigenerational families, new families

[17:46] that can't afford homes. Um, [clears throat]

[17:48] selfishly, I would like to build uh an apartment or my accessory or my

[17:56] detached building. I just built a home up on 8th East, 800 East next to Riley

[18:02] Park's home, uh, by the high school. And um I have a accessory

[18:08] [cough and laughter] a detached building there that I'd like to build an

[18:11] apartment in for my mother-in-law who was in an auto pedestrian accident years

[18:16] back. She is now single and can live alone but struggles. Um

[18:23] right now it's not in the city code. So, with Shauna's advice, um, I'd like to

[18:29] formally request that we look at this latest state legislation and adopt it

[18:34] into the city code if possible to allow for detached accessory dwelling units.

[18:40] Um, [clears throat] as Shauna directed, I think if we in the in the state code,

[18:46] the funds we protect for lot size, setbacks, parking, building size, fire

[18:53] safety, as well as, uh, prohibiting shortterm rentals. Um, it

[18:59] [clears throat] would be a very great blessing for our community. Thank you.

[19:04] » Thank you. Thank you. Still got nine seconds if you want. [laughter]

[19:08] Not bad for your first time. Okay. Um, seeing no other public

[19:15] comment, we will move on uh to planning items.

[19:23] So, I know we had a pretty full agenda last meeting and you had a ton of

[19:27] information thrown at you about varying subjects. Um,

[19:31] so I know Shauna did a really good job presenting the uh change or or a

[19:38] proposal that's being you know pushed before you from the

[19:43] planning commission um on our combined use to zone and changing the density

[19:51] um in that zone from the uh six units per acre to eight units per acre. Um,

[19:58] and she I think even put together a a density calculator that hopefully you

[20:02] got a chance to kind of play around with and and uh plug in some different

[20:06] numbers and see what you thought. But um we did not have a lot of opportunity to

[20:10] do some followup on that uh presentation and and I figured it would be good to

[20:15] give you some time to digest what was uh thrown at you at that meeting and u come

[20:21] back and and ask for some followup on um your thoughts and and uh what was

[20:27] presented by Shauna and uh and if you want to make any adjustments, changes,

[20:33] tweaks to was what was put forward. This would affect all of the CU2 zone and

[20:40] then that would uh be something you'll want to keep in mind whenever you

[20:44] reszone something to a CU2. We would have requests I'm sure in the future for

[20:50] changing the zone and that would be something you'll want to keep in mind

[20:53] when when you do approve a reszone that that density change would be part of

[20:58] that. Um, our CU2, just a little history on that, of course, was uh created to

[21:04] allow for some commercial, but we focused mainly on residential. And so,

[21:10] we think this is a good fit for that combined use zone. Um and we are

[21:15] strategically using the CO2 zone along the um main street area and the corridor

[21:21] here to uh change traffic patterns and to try and prevent I think what we see

[21:27] in other communities where their main streets end up becoming kind of um one

[21:33] long strip of commercial property and that tends to lend itself to high

[21:39] traffic volumes all at the same time of the day. um and makes it difficult for

[21:45] uh transportation purposes. And so we are trying to to prevent those kinds of

[21:50] things from happening in the future. And we think this sort of what we call candy

[21:54] striping approach of of uh certain areas of CO2 and encouraging residential will

[21:59] help do that sort of offset traffic patterns that we see in commercial with

[22:04] some residential and uh keep our main street a little more free uh for

[22:09] commuting. So, I just want to get feedback from the council on what was

[22:13] presented, answer any questions that we can and um see how you'd like to move

[22:18] forward. >> I like it. So, the CU1,

[22:22] it's kind of the opposite, correct? Where it's more focused on businesses

[22:27] and a little bit of limited residential. >> Yes. Still a still a mixed use, still

[22:31] like CO2, but you're correct. It focuses more on commercial.

[22:35] » So, I I actually really like this. I mean, I remember when the original thing

[22:39] when you guys were talking about candy striping, and I mean, after going

[22:43] through some other cities, and I'm not going to name names to make them feel

[22:47] [clears throat] bad, there are some that it is just so clogged all the way

[22:50] through. Um, and we we have to find ways for people to have housing. [snorts] I

[22:55] mean, we plain and simple, it's not just Nephi. This is a a Utah problem and

[23:00] really nationwide, right? there it is just hard for young people um that have

[23:06] young families to to find spaces. So I I think I I like the density idea and then

[23:13] I really um I don't know I I totally lost my

[23:20] thought as I was going Oh my other thought I actually really like I know

[23:24] we're past the public comment side but I like what Mr. Armstrong brought brought

[23:28] up um because I I do think more of these are going to be probably family members

[23:34] or you're going to be really careful who you're letting in your own backyard.

[23:39] » So I I do think that again housing is just something that is very it's at the

[23:44] forefront of my mind. You know, I'm I guess because now I'm a father of

[23:50] college kids, it's only a few years before they're going to need to be

[23:54] finding a place, right? And so, um, anyways, I think that we definitely

[23:59] should look at this. I and I really like the calculator. I can tell that they put

[24:03] a lot of time into that, but there was just a little I I think if we can just

[24:08] make sure that there's no ambiguity that it will um it can just be a very simple

[24:14] calculation. I'd love the calculator, but I just want to make sure that, you

[24:18] know, it doesn't leave any doubt and things. I I think when Mr. Carlton was

[24:22] here and we were kind talking back and forth. I could see how there could be

[24:26] interpretation uh multiple ways and I'd like to just

[24:29] make sure that we're as tight as can be on the interpretation of the code that

[24:36] thank you.

[24:40] » I I really don't have anything else to add. I I I you know I echo what Travis

[24:45] said. I you know and I've I've been in favor of it for pretty much since the

[24:49] get-go and I I I still feel that way. So [laughter]

[24:55] it was clear clearly explained and uh I would say they wrote it as well and I

[25:00] think I think Sean and the rest have done a job but explain it to us explain

[25:05] to the community. >> Um yeah it's good with me

[25:12] [laughter] >> last everyone already said

[25:15] » making this easy. Um what we will do then is we'll put

[25:19] together an ordinance and have that ready for you at the next meeting. Um

[25:24] where we can adopt that for the whole zone um and uh have that ready for

[25:30] action. >> Okay.

[25:33] » Anything else there? >> Okay. Um item number eight.

[25:39] So, uh we do have uh Marcus our [clears throat] um financial advisor

[25:44] online and uh he has uh along with bond council put together this um resolution.

[25:51] Uh I think you guys have been down this road before uh adopting a parameters

[25:56] resolution. This is typically something you do uh right before a a bond

[26:01] issuance. Um and we've done this with sales tax bonds which I think you were

[26:05] all on council when we did that. And the parameters resolution does exactly that.

[26:10] It sets the parameters for what you would expect an eventual bond issuance

[26:14] to be. Um meaning it sets limits. It does not mean that you will uh accept um

[26:22] the interest rate that's you know put in the resolution or the bond amount that's

[26:26] in the resolution. These are just caps or limits uh that we will not go beyond

[26:31] or ceilings you could say. Um and so, uh we know that we have some sewer projects

[26:37] that are coming up. In fact, there's one underway right now in the Nepal Heights

[26:40] neighborhood. Um and we have some other projects that will be coming up, um for

[26:44] the sewer. And and the important part of a parameters resolution is that it

[26:49] allows some of those expenses that have been incurred. I think it's you can

[26:53] correct me if I'm wrong, Marcus, 60 days prior to the adoption of a parameters

[26:57] resolution are allowed to be bonded for. Um, so anything that we've spent up two

[27:03] months prior to this would still be eligible when we go to do a bond

[27:08] issuance and we can reimburse those expenses. Uh, is that correct, Marcus?

[27:13] » Yeah, Seth, that you you nailed it on the head there. That's okay. Exactly

[27:17] what it's there for. But also too, just just so everyone's aware, as Seth

[27:21] mentioned, that that really is I think the probably the most important part of

[27:24] the parameters today is if you don't adopt a parameters resolution, which

[27:29] also has a reimbursement resolution involved in it, um what happens is then

[27:34] you can't reimburse yourself with taxexempt proceeds if you wanted to go

[27:38] back to. So, this is really just kind of setting a line in the sand. Um, we can,

[27:43] you know, use this resolution up the next 18 months as the city decides, you

[27:47] know, what expenses they may want to reimburse themselves for, but it allows

[27:51] you to do it on a taxexempt basis so you can get the most uh or the best tax

[27:56] rates available at that time. Um, if you go if you don't have this and you try to

[28:00] do it, then you would have to do it as a taxable, which would be a higher

[28:03] interest rate down the road. So it it does just give you a lot of flexibility

[28:07] moving forward with no requirement to issue bonds or issue even up to the

[28:11] amount that [clears throat] would be in the parameters if the city decided not

[28:15] to. So I know there's a fairly high total or amount uh a ceiling a debt

[28:20] ceiling or a bond ceiling in the parameters resolution of I think seven

[28:24] and a half million. What'll actually determine what that number is is the

[28:28] cost of our projects, the bondability of our sewer fund, uh which are going to be

[28:33] really determined by your rate structure and a rate plan going forward. And then

[28:39] um uh and just what we receive kind of what we think we can get in in the

[28:44] market. So, um the these are just different uh things that will really

[28:48] dictate what we can borrow and and we'll have more information about all of those

[28:53] things coming up. Um, but we know that those are forthcoming and so we're just

[28:57] trying to get this done so we can make sure we're covered that 60 days prior.

[29:02] And then uh we will be coming to you similar to what we did oh

[29:08] probably almost 10 years ago with the water plan or with the water uh project

[29:12] that we had done. Uh we put together a 11-year plan for our rates that would

[29:18] help us pay back the the bonds that we took out at that time for that project.

[29:24] Um, and so right now our our rates are around I think 12 or $12 or something

[29:29] like that per month on a residential lot for our sewer. So we will need to kind

[29:34] of do some sort of plan to adjust those to meet that debt service uh as we

[29:39] expand our sewer facilities and also repair uh older older things. And so uh

[29:45] we were fortunate to get a couple good projects done this year just out of fund

[29:49] balance alone. Um, so the Nebo Heights project is underway as I mentioned. And

[29:54] then we also, uh, replaced that sewer line under the runway at the airport.

[29:58] Uh, and that was successful and that's finished. And so that that gives me a

[30:03] lot of peace of mind as they are now, uh, repaving the runway and we'll put

[30:07] brand new asphalt over that uh, line. I feel a lot better [laughter] than than

[30:14] uh just sort of hoping and guessing that that line will hold. Um, and it was I

[30:18] think in fairly decent shape, but I think this is just a better thing to do.

[30:22] We we rarely uh strip that runway and uh down down to the the base course. And so

[30:28] that's what that's what we were doing in this project. And I thought if we're

[30:31] ever going to do this, this would be the time. So that that was all done and and

[30:35] we got a good bid on that and it was a very well done project.

[30:39] » You put in a lot of work for that too, Seth. So thank you orchestrating all of

[30:43] that to make it work. So >> yeah. Yeah, it kind of all Yeah, it all

[30:47] kind of came together and we got a very good company and and they did it right

[30:51] on time. Um, it worked out good. We did have a couple complaints from our

[30:56] airport users, but we got through that and uh [clears throat] and uh anyway,

[31:00] we're we're on on course for for the project that's going on right now. So

[31:04] anyway, we're we're recommending uh approval of resolution 09-01-206,

[31:11] which is a parameters resolution for our future sewer bonds. And then we'll we'll

[31:16] be coming to you with more details. There'll still be approvals that you'll

[31:19] have to give before we actually borrow money. We'll have to have a public

[31:23] hearing and other things that are required by law before you do any

[31:27] borrowing. Um and then it will just help us determine what those costs are for

[31:31] some of these projects um that we have coming up. So Marcus, am I missing

[31:36] anything that you want to add? [clears throat]

[31:39] » No, no, I think you hit it just so the the max parameters would be the 7.5

[31:43] million. So not to exceed 6 and a half% interest rate up to 32 years with a 2%

[31:50] discount. And we did the 32 years in case there is some state financing

[31:54] available. We wanted to be able to potentially pursue that to see if

[31:58] there's any lowinterest loans available for some of this financing. So, we're

[32:02] still exploring all those options and as Seth mentioned, we'll come back to you

[32:06] with more details as uh we kind of understand some of the different

[32:10] projects and amounts moving forward. >> Was the water project USDA?

[32:15] » Yes. >> Yeah.

[32:15] » And was it a four-year? >> Yes.

[32:17] » Okay. But what we did on that one is we we we uh structured our rate plan such

[32:24] that we can bring in enough to pay that off in like year 25. Um one of the

[32:30] problems with the 40-year loan is that uh the infrastructure is ready to be

[32:34] replaced before you pay off the loan and we didn't want that. So we wanted to pay

[32:38] the loan off early and that's how that's that's the way our rate structure is

[32:42] formed. and uh we've subscribed to a really cool uh service and we're kind of

[32:47] trying it out on the sewer fund. It wasn't really a whole lot of money and

[32:50] it actually creates the rate plan for us once you plug in your budget and your

[32:55] capital projects and everything else. It allows you to do some forecasting and

[32:59] and I'll have to show you tracks I think it um anyway allows for that rate plan

[33:04] to be done inhouse and so we'll show that to you when um we we uh we put that

[33:11] all together. It's kind of like a spreadsheet on steroids. So, I'm really

[33:13] excited to [laughter] take you through that. But, um, and we may expand it to

[33:17] other utilities if this works out really well, which I [clears throat] think it

[33:21] will. So, um, anyway, any questions on that?

[33:27] [laughter] >> Okay. Looking for a motion to resolution

[33:30] then? Make the motion that we approve

[33:35] resolution 09-01-2026

[33:39] parameters resolution. >> I'll second that. Okay. Call the second.

[33:45] Is this a roll call? >> Yes.

[33:48] » Chari. >> Jeremy.

[33:52] » Hi. >> Traps.

[33:53] » Hi. >> Okay.

[33:57] Passes. >> I will send that to electronic.

[34:00] » Okay. So, Just out of curiosity, does anyone

[34:05] » Sorry, Marcus. >> What did he say?

[34:10] » Okay. >> Oh, thanks for everyone. Appreciate your

[34:12] time. We'll see you on Thursday, Mayor. >> Okay. See you then.

[34:16] » I was just curious. Has anyone ever made a motion and then when you did a roll

[34:19] call, they say nay? Like in the history of that?

[34:24] » Yeah. If they're the ones that made the motion,

[34:25] » if they are the ones that made the motion, [laughter] did they ever say I

[34:28] was just curious. >> Yes. in the history of

[34:32] » Yes. >> So, someone made a motion and then they

[34:35] » and then they voted against it and I was surprised that happened.

[34:39] » Yeah.

[34:43] » No, we didn't make the motion though. >> Oh, he second it though. Somebody I know

[34:47] but they they had Yeah, [snorts] someone had to

[34:51] second it. Yeah. >> So, is it just so you can bring it to a

[34:54] vote? Is that what I guess >> that the only uh motivation I would

[34:58] think is if they knew that it was going to be a no vote and they just wanted to

[35:02] end the discussion, >> they may make a motion to vote on it.

[35:06] » I was just curious on that. I never that would make sense.

[35:10] » I would like it to >> little history lesson, [laughter]

[35:14] » but it's happened more than once. It happened with something but it's

[35:17] happened in the past, too. >> Cool.

[35:19] » And I've been surprised at [laughter] >> all right. the administrative updates.

[35:26] » So, just a reminder about the employee appreciation party next week. Uh that'll

[35:31] be what our typical work session night is, but we'll we'll be having a dinner

[35:35] instead. So, uh it's at the park just like we normally have it. Um and then

[35:40] council will be there just about an hour beforehand if you can. Uh so, it's uh

[35:45] scheduled for 6:30. Be there 5:30 set up.

[35:50] Um, and then, uh, both, uh, Mayor Cely and I and Chief Morgan, you left, but,

[35:56] uh, we'll be heading up to the CIB, the community impact board meeting on

[36:01] Thursday. Uh, normally, I think this is kind of a half day meeting, and you can

[36:06] seek funding from that that board. We're going up there for our police station.

[36:10] Uh luck of the draw, we picked a meeting where about every city in Utah, it seems

[36:16] like decides to go to the community impact board. There are 26 cities on the

[36:20] agenda and we're towards the latter end. So we anticipate that'll just be a full

[36:26] day event. We have to be there at 8:30 for the staff meeting. Um and then we're

[36:33] probably not going to see the light of day until 2 or 3 o'clock in the

[36:36] afternoon. [laughter] So >> is that is that capital? Is that

[36:40] » It's up in uh South Salt Lake 13 South or something.

[36:44] » Wear your home in the new jeans and anything else to really make you look

[36:48] like Mayor will be presenting the project.

[36:52] » We need to look as needy as possible. [laughter]

[36:54] » I'd like to hear from elected officials because the board is made up of elected

[36:57] officials. And so I do think um despite the um the the numbers I feel like we've

[37:04] put together a good proposal and the fact that you have gone through the pain

[37:08] and suffering of trying to do a property tax adjustment to help pay for um the

[37:14] portion that we we need fund. I think that that bot well. There's a lot of

[37:19] times you they I've seen cities go to CIB and [snorts] basically want CIB to

[37:24] cover the entire cost with grant and they don't really put any skin in the

[37:28] game and so CIB likes to see that you have done something to try and fund that

[37:33] project yourselves. So I feel like we've been in a good position to ask for this.

[37:37] uh police uh buildings aren't normally on the high list, but uh um we've had

[37:44] some preliminary conversations with some board members and I think there is some

[37:48] support for it there. I think we have a little feather in our cap that we've got

[37:52] a multi- agency public safety complex rather than just our own. Um and the UHP

[37:58] and the adult probation parole have also decided to write uh support letters that

[38:03] we would then deliver to the CIB board that day as well. So, we'll it'll be in

[38:09] the weekend update. See how things go. But

[38:13] » you won't be able to listen in on that at all.

[38:16] » I don't think I broadcast it, but it is a public meeting. Um, and so if you're

[38:22] wanting to attend, it's on 13th about 13th South and State Street in

[38:29] » this will be this Thursday. So, and I feel a little bad. Uh, Senator

[38:33] Owens will be at a chamber lunch that day. I wish I could attend. Uh he's been

[38:37] a great representative for us and I uh I kind of wish I could have attended that,

[38:42] but I think we're going to be there all day.

[38:44] » Yeah. >> So,

[38:47] anything else? >> That's all I had for my update,

[38:51] » sir.

[38:55] Leslie, >> no.

[38:59] » Okay. Actually, let me just say thanks to everyone for getting me your

[39:03] certificates. You guys are awesome. >> You're welcome. [laughter]

[39:10] » Um, I just wanted to follow up on one of my last

[39:16] uh questions was about a stop sign on 200 North. If we've looked any further

[39:21] into that or what we can do. >> So, that the street sign we're talking

[39:27] about in the work session. No, never mind.

[39:31] » Um, let me find I haven't I haven't asked Kyle if we've had a chance to do

[39:34] that yet. Okay. >> Um, we also have been a little short

[39:37] staffed in our streets department. >> Yeah,

[39:39] » we got one of them that's hunting in Alaska. So,

[39:42] » nice. >> Yeah, that was that was uh just want to

[39:45] follow up on that and then um just one more shout out. Uh again, it's been

[39:50] discussed, but just thanking the the families and the police officers and um

[39:54] the people who serve our community in whatever way they do that. Um especially

[39:59] these police officers. It's a thankless job. And so I just want

[40:03] to make sure that I am offering my thanks uh for what they're doing. And um

[40:10] I'm grateful that this is kind of the first time at least in my life or

[40:15] probably most that we've had anything like this really happening. Um but it's

[40:20] not easy and I um I'm praying for the families, all those involved. But

[40:27] I hope we as community members can support them and uplift them rather than

[40:32] tear down. I feel like um it's easy to tear down in in times like this and when

[40:38] there's things that are unknown. But I just hope that we can uh give people

[40:41] some grace and understand that we're all uh doing our best. So, but anyway, thank

[40:47] you to the they're not here anymore, but to the police officers um also to the

[40:51] the sheriff um in the county sheriff department. So, grateful for for all the

[40:56] support we have in our committee. Thank you.

[41:00] » I really don't have anything. I do like just want to echo what what Councilman

[41:05] Douglas has said. I think that that really rings true and I I agree

[41:09] wholeheartedly with what he said, but other than that, I don't have anything

[41:12] tonight. >> Well, um yeah, definitely a huge thank

[41:18] you to the officers that of course put their their lives on the line every

[41:23] single day for us, every shift. I'm sure that was not anything that went through

[41:28] anyone's head that was going to happen this this last weekend. Um, so that's

[41:33] why I hope people will fully support the when they are saying they need this

[41:38] building and things for trainings and for uh officer protection, for evidence

[41:43] protection, different things. Um, but also I think that with CIB hopefully

[41:49] they will see because we're short staffed and now we're even more short

[41:53] staffed while there's investigations and stuff going on. We're trying to raise

[41:57] money for police station but also for extra coverage and officers. So

[42:01] hopefully they can help us in some form or fashion there. Um, something else I

[42:06] just wanted to bring up just with all the Facebook stuff, it's not even just

[42:11] social media here locally. This has become a nationwide thing and I just

[42:16] want to call for more civility from people and and especially realize that

[42:22] elected officials aren't punching bags. They're humans. I I promise you they are

[42:28] humans and they care. Um they're not all out just to pad their pockets and all

[42:32] this garbage that I keep seeing out there. And so I I just wanted to take a

[42:37] minute to just say I know every single one of these up here that are serving

[42:41] with me and the staff and such, they care very much about this community. Um

[42:48] we are not going to go about just frivolously buying different things with

[42:53] taxpayer dollars. And and so I I want people to just really know, hey, we have

[42:58] full-time jobs as well. We're human. uh we have families and and so realize that

[43:05] yeah, we're not going to be perfect. There's going to be mistakes. There'll

[43:08] be different things along the way, but we're trying our best. Um

[43:12] but I I'm just grateful for these people. And I also

[43:17] just wanted to take an opportunity now. Um

[43:21] people will need to really think this through and such, but next June is when

[43:27] you'll be able to put in for city council. and I would urge people to run.

[43:33] Uh I will not be putting my name in there. So that's why I'm doing a call

[43:37] for the community members to consider that in June. So I'll be done December

[43:42] of 2027. I worked here for eight years and then you know serving a term here.

[43:48] Uh it's I love my community. I just I have a very taxing job and uh which I

[43:55] love and I I have a family that I love and I I something had to give and so I'm

[44:00] going to continue to serve but I would call anyone who is interested in this in

[44:06] June. I think it's June 1st through the 7th. Please put your hat in the ring to

[44:10] make a better place. Continue to carry these things on. So anyways, that's all

[44:16] I have. >> Thank you. Uh

[44:20] maybe just to well to build off that or to re-emphasize I know we've talked

[44:25] about I think some of the stuff is better understanding of what documents

[44:31] they're reading and how they're interpreting the material. Um I I

[44:35] probably seen the same post as you did and [clears throat] if the individual

[44:38] had clearly just looking looked above and realized what that what the spending

[44:45] was associated with, it would have made complete sense. And yet they interpret

[44:50] it totally different and thought it was frivolous spending on our behalf. And in

[44:55] actuality, it was concessions for the swimming pool where people could buy

[45:00] those particular items while they were enjoying the pool. And and I and and so

[45:05] once again, I think it's just something that that we need to do a better job of

[45:10] because somewhere along the line, people just don't

[45:15] they just don't have that understanding or knowledge. And tonight we're going to

[45:19] hear a little bit more from the youth council idea and maybe that just starts

[45:24] with educating the next generation because somewhere along the line

[45:29] understanding local politics or local government has

[45:34] been lost on almost the whole generation it seems. Um, and so I think when we

[45:41] talk about that tonight, developing some ideas of of being able to educate better

[45:46] and do that or maybe we need to put out the little videos like we talked about

[45:51] or those things because I was like I was I was surprised that they were not

[45:56] associating things correctly. And so I think Travis kind of alluded to that and

[46:00] hit on that a little bit. And I think at the end of the day also if someone is

[46:04] willing just to pick up a phone um and make that call or or ask the the people

[46:10] that know the answers to the question, right? Um

[46:13] » what was your number again there? [laughter]

[46:15] » 435 681 0333. I need more business cards because I gave them all away to

[46:22] everybody that came. But I I I think of uh I had an uncle pass away.

[46:26] » Used them. >> What

[46:28] » have any of them used them? I've had a few people call me and I've had a few

[46:32] people say, "Please come visit me in my house." And I'm willing to do those

[46:35] things. I had an uncle pass away about a month ago, but at his funeral, it was a

[46:40] really poignant uh comment that they made. He um our family had a had had a

[46:45] ranch over in Chester for many years, and that ranch had a had a pond where

[46:50] basically the horses were broken. You could there was a little island in the

[46:54] center, and then in the then the horses could be around this big circle. and his

[46:59] boys were down there uh getting water, wanted to get a drink. It was a hot day

[47:04] and they wanted to get drink. And so this this pond water is all mucky and

[47:08] dirty and the kids are like, "We're thirsty. We really want a drink." And he

[47:12] said, "Well, let me let me show you something first. You can take your drink

[47:16] here or let me walk you over." And on our

[47:19] land, we have this beautiful artisian water well that just spits up so many

[47:24] gallons a minute, right? and it's pure and it's cold and it's crystal clean and

[47:28] you don't have to worry about any contaminants or anything like that. And

[47:32] he said and he said or you can get it from the source and here's the source.

[47:37] And sometimes for whatever reason people don't go to the source of information

[47:42] and they want to get it from the muck and the gunk and all those kind of

[47:46] things where really if they went to the source and they asked those questions

[47:51] the information is right there and it's clean and it's pure form I will and and

[47:57] those kind of things. So I I that was kind of the met was physical in the

[48:01] sense that you can drink muddy water or you can drink clear water. Which one of

[48:05] the two do you want to drink? But metaphorically like you can get in a

[48:09] muck and do that or you can get it from that source of information. And I

[48:13] challenge people to kind of think about that and look about that. Unfortunately,

[48:17] uh my gener uh the generation just above me decided to to sell off the family

[48:22] ranch and so unfortunately we don't have the family ranch anymore. So I I

[48:27] understand the plight. Maybe that's why I'm so

[48:31] committed to the idea of finding ways to bring back agriculture or to have

[48:34] agricultural continue, you know, and those kind of things, you know. Probably

[48:38] the hardest thing for me was to give up the family brand. I grew up my whole

[48:42] life with that family brand and now that brand's no longer our brand, right? It's

[48:47] gone to someone else. But, you know, the the generation and the family didn't

[48:51] want to continue that kind of lifestyle and that was the end of that. So, um,

[48:56] anyways, I I just thought about a lot about that over the the last little

[48:59] while and then of course last night kind of made that more poignant to me. Uh,

[49:04] with that said, we'll skip going into closed meeting.

[49:09] Um, we'll move into into the work session items

[49:14] and actually we'll bump you to the first instead of being C and uh we'll talk

[49:20] about youth council and [clears throat] then we'll go from there.

[49:26] The time is now yours. >> You mind if I pass out some paper?

[49:29] » Yeah, go ahead. >> I'd like it if you had one for the

[49:32] press. >> Certainly.

[49:37] » Thank you.

[49:44] And I got four more.

[49:53] So I'm here. My name is Brody K. I'm the Jew high school general Sterling scholar

[49:59] and I'm here to discuss the potential of a Nephi City Youth Council. So a youth

[50:03] council would exist to give youth in our community more voice upon city matters

[50:09] at a local government level. And as Mayor Cely said, so they can understand

[50:15] local government better and potentially teach other youth how local government

[50:20] actually works. So the idea would to be to have 6 to 12 youth members serve for

[50:26] about one year with meetings about every two weeks just

[50:34] like on Wednesday or Thursday after city council meetings so they can discuss the

[50:38] topics that were discussed at the city council meetings.

[50:42] leadership in the youth city council would be a good option with having a

[50:48] mayor chair and a vice chair secretary and potentially committee leaders to

[50:54] lead on projects and other matters. So meetings would be every two weeks

[51:02] about that's a flexible number. The length of the meetings is a flexible

[51:06] number. I mean you have to play everything by ear in these matters. It's

[51:11] just things need to change if you got to change them. Um, so we would take ideas

[51:16] from the youth or you guys or surveys we do or just ideas that pop into our

[51:22] heads. We would have meetings about them, approve them, and then bring them

[51:26] to you guys, present on them, and then you guys would make the final decision

[51:30] on whether those get passed or not or whether we can do the projects. So,

[51:36] so and then there's the committee's idea. So,

[51:41] We need to assign people to lead projects like community events,

[51:45] community service. One I wanted to touch on was a communications committee leader

[51:50] to potentially do social media and surveys. I know social media is a touchy

[51:56] subject, especially have with people under 18. That's something to discuss

[52:01] further in future. And the relationship with the city

[52:06] council is a big thing because we need to emphasize that the city youth council

[52:11] are not elected officials whatsoever. They have no actual

[52:16] legal power within the city government. They are simply here to advise the city

[52:21] council on what the youth's opinion is, what we would like, and at the end of

[52:26] the day, you guys make the final decision.

[52:30] And some ideas for projects would be to, you know, do stuff at a park, clean up

[52:36] the town, doing surveys about what the youth in the town care about, maybe

[52:41] potentially educate youth on how city government works, or I know a lot of

[52:47] youth my age have been running over stop signs and stuff. And to [laughter]

[52:51] potentially use, >> you know who they are.

[52:55] » Find out. >> All right. Darn it.

[52:59] So at the end of the day, the idea is to have young people identify issues within

[53:05] their community, teach them about how their local government works and about

[53:08] how they can be proactive about that in the future in their lives to actually

[53:13] pioneer solutions instead of just sitting around and complaining about it,

[53:19] » you know, learning. >> Why is beyond three years?

[53:24] » So that was that's it. No, I'm I'm totally in faith with this. I I really

[53:31] like the idea, Brody. And I, you know, I would say don't don't overburden

[53:36] yourselves. I I think once a month would be plenty to be able to go do something

[53:40] like this, but I think you could >> This would be an excellent thing to help

[53:45] us, too. >> I I think that also hopefully we can

[53:49] help. It's kind of like golf. You got to start young. I'd really like for people

[53:53] to really know and have civic responsibility from a young age. And I

[53:57] mean, you're allowed to run for city council. I think what is it 25 years old

[54:01] now? >> Is that the is that constitutionally

[54:05] » is it is it mayor that can be 25? >> Yeah. I thought it was 18

[54:10] » for council. So >> that

[54:15] just got elected up north >> 18. And then so what's a mayor? What's

[54:19] the I remember there was like 25 30 and then 35 for president. So Brody just get

[54:25] ready for 35. [laughter] >> I do think every two weeks would work

[54:30] well especially with how the schedule of the actual city council meetings are if

[54:35] we want to discuss each one of those at our meetings the topics that were gone

[54:39] over there just so we know more and we don't have a ton piled up for each

[54:42] meeting. Mhm. >> Well, and I something that I also

[54:46] wouldn't mind seeing, I I noticed a few of the UPN North cities are doing where

[54:51] they have uh one of the youth council or a few of them with one of the members of

[54:56] the council or the mayor doing some social media. I mean, I think they're

[55:00] usually seniors in high school, so it's not like they're young, but educational

[55:03] videos of this is what's going on in our community. I think that's another thing

[55:07] I wanted to discuss is the mayor of the youth council would be communicating

[55:12] more with the city council itself so you don't have like 12, you know, 16 through

[55:17] 18 year olds just battering you guys with texts and stuff. [laughter]

[55:23] » This is you do some research on that. >> I I've been familiar with youth councils

[55:28] in different cities and we had one in the city I was in in Oregon and uh I've

[55:33] known not a lot of cities up north do them. Um, I think it's a great

[55:37] opportunity to educate younger folks on how local government works. Uh, not a

[55:42] knock against our own civics program here at JWEB. I don't know what they

[55:45] teach, but I know in most communities, uh, local government civic education is

[55:50] wally lacking. They typically focus on federal government with some state, but

[55:55] they don't talk a lot about what happens at the local level. And oddly enough

[55:59] though, as they as people grow older, it's really what happens at the local

[56:03] level that people care about the most. >> It's what affects your life.

[56:07] » It's what affects your life the most. And so, um, I would love to to be able

[56:11] to be a liazison if the council so chose uh to to be a liazison to the youth

[56:17] council and and help facilitate kind of the interaction between the two. Uh,

[56:21] this is something I've actually wanted to to do at the high school and promote

[56:25] local government civics education and I think this would be a fantastic

[56:29] opportunity to to do that. Um, me or or or some of the other staff could step in

[56:34] and kind of help out. We are limited on time and so we may not be able to go to

[56:39] every meeting that they hold. But we could certainly uh come to some of those

[56:43] meetings and answer questions and talk through, you know, the things the

[56:47] decisions that the council's making, terminology, you know, things that may

[56:51] be unfamiliar with them. When we start talking land use or sewer bonds or

[56:55] whatever, you know, there there's probably a lot of things that are are,

[56:58] you know, that aren't readily known by the the regular public. And so we'd be

[57:02] happy to to inform the youth on that. And I think that is a great point,

[57:06] mayor, that this really helps grow that next generation uh to have some civic

[57:10] pride and and and pride in the local community and and and bring them up uh

[57:15] to hopefully run for council one day and take ownership for real uh as a city

[57:20] councelor >> and you said they can run at 18. So come

[57:24] on as a senior. [laughter] >> Welcome aboard.

[57:28] I'd be willing. >> So the next step

[57:31] next steps would have to be like a policy related to how

[57:34] » I think if we just created a policy and then and then I think we've got a great

[57:38] framework that's been prepared [cough] we can [clears throat] take adopt a lot

[57:42] of what's put in here uh within that policy and then uh yeah let's just get

[57:47] it get it started. This this sounds like the real mayor's task force. I've always

[57:51] wondered what that was. [laughter]

[57:56] » Yeah. Okay. All right. All right, we'll start. Go ahead.

[57:58] » There's one last thing I wanted to say. Mona and Lean City already happy with

[58:02] councils. We are We are behind, guys. [laughter]

[58:06] » Never mind.

[58:11] [laughter] >> Okay, we'll get working on that and then

[58:16] um if you just want to communicate with Seth and myself for now and then

[58:20] » get your car. Okay. >> I'll tell you too, there's also

[58:22] something that's really exciting. So in January they do an elected official day

[58:27] on the hill and all the youth councils are invited to come up and you get a

[58:31] tour of the capital and you do mock >> mock something mock government. I have

[58:36] not been to it because we don't have a youth council but

[58:39] » it's a pretty cool opportunity. >> Also Utah State University holds a

[58:42] conference for youth councils where they go up and have activities and things

[58:46] like that. So, I've never really learned too much about it. I know they have it,

[58:50] but I can certainly get a lot of information on that. And if that's

[58:52] something that you guys are interested in, we could try to facilitate maybe

[58:56] something. >> I'd love it.

[58:58] » Thank you. >> Thanks, bro.

[59:01] » All right. Uh, a street signs.

[59:06] Um uh to this point uh the city has has uh

[59:13] really tried to hold firm on um having street numbers. I think it uh the

[59:20] council's been pretty clear they want to maintain the grid system as much as

[59:24] possible. Uh we think an integral part of that is to maintain the numbers on on

[59:29] streets and instead of having street names. Um, we did have a a subdivision

[59:34] that came in that wanted to name the streets and we had to kind of go through

[59:37] that exercise at that time and it was determined at that point that we really

[59:42] need to stick with the street numbers. Um, it it just facilitates an easier

[59:47] interpretation rather than have too much of a mixed bag of street names and

[59:52] numbers. Um, you know, for for those that come from out of state that don't

[59:56] understand the grid system, it's it can be confusing enough. And so when you

[1:00:00] throw names as well as numbers uh into the mix, it can be be tough. And I know

[1:00:06] Salt Lake has has kind of done a mixed bag. And if you don't know your way

[1:00:11] around, sometimes that can be confusing. But um we we do have one street name uh

[1:00:17] in in the city and that's of course Wasp Way. Um which is 7th North. Uh and and

[1:00:24] you know there's been some consideration about whether or not we want to include

[1:00:27] other street names. Um, as the city has expanded south, uh, we have incorporated

[1:00:33] what has historically been known as sheep plate and, uh, I think everybody

[1:00:39] kind of knows it as that. Um, and and so the question that's sort of before you,

[1:00:44] we've been requested to have some street signs put up on that on that road where

[1:00:48] it intersects Highway 28 is we want to maintain the the uh, just the numbering

[1:00:55] system. Uh I think it's 2300 South is what that number would be or do we want

[1:01:00] to keep the the name uh kind of in reference to the historical uh mention

[1:01:08] of that. Um I think whatever way we choose I think we should adopt a policy

[1:01:13] for when we allow a name and when we want to maintain the the numbers. I

[1:01:19] think if it's pretty loose, then I think you will end up with a lot of requests

[1:01:24] for names and uh you might have a lot of things named different things. So, if we

[1:01:28] [clears throat] do decide to have a name, I I think I would recommend that

[1:01:31] we we incorporate I guess that picture is a little blurry, but um that we

[1:01:36] maintain the number as well as the name on the sign just so that we're still

[1:01:40] trying to identify the grid system. I uh use through numbers numbering. Um, but

[1:01:46] uh we're happy to go whatever way the council chooses, but but uh I do think

[1:01:50] whatever you choose, I think we should adopt a policy so we know exactly when

[1:01:54] we would look at a street. >> Yeah,

[1:01:56] » since that has always been known as that.

[1:01:59] » That's probably the way to go. But put the number underneath it. But I think as

[1:02:03] far as new requests, I I would say let's stay with the number system, especially,

[1:02:10] you know, with emergency response and things like that. I mean, people that

[1:02:14] have been here their whole lives know where things are, but people that

[1:02:18] haven't don't know. And so numbers are just a lot easier to to [snorts] find to

[1:02:23] find locations. >> I think the option to maintain the

[1:02:27] tradition of sheep lane as well. >> Um, so I'd be in favor of keeping and in

[1:02:31] this instance sheep lane with 2300 South underneath. Um but then again I I would

[1:02:38] agree with Shie especially in like residential areas or new developments

[1:02:43] like that we keep the grid system um in traditionally known you know sheep Wayne

[1:02:48] or I don't know airport road or whatever if there's a couple of those I don't I

[1:02:54] don't think there should be many but way a handful of them I think is

[1:02:59] » is fun to maintain the tradition of the city um and the culture of the city

[1:03:04] while still being in line with those who are not from the city, but it gives them

[1:03:08] a sense of this is I'm learning the culture of the city. I'm learning the

[1:03:11] tradition, the history, right? I think [clears throat] I was just gonna say I I

[1:03:17] tend I I agree as far as the the sheep line and whatnot, you know, that being I

[1:03:23] I do think though that I do think we ought to draft a policy with with some

[1:03:28] parameters and again I think they need to be fairly tight. But I think if

[1:03:31] there's a you know historical value or you know maybe something heritage to the

[1:03:37] area or something you know because I I think we tend to lose a lot of that.

[1:03:41] Let's say if there is a let's say a you know a large farm or something you know

[1:03:47] were to become a subdivision or different things like that you know it

[1:03:50] may not hurt to have you know maybe a you know a a road in there you know with

[1:03:57] with that name alluding to that and it could be this and it doesn't need to be

[1:04:00] the um the primary name of the street it could be you know you know X lane you

[1:04:06] know 2100 West or whatever it may be but but I do think we we create a policy and

[1:04:12] I've been asked informally about town on this on this before and I think as as

[1:04:19] long as we we adopt if we do adopt a policy or adopt some parameters as to

[1:04:24] when this could happen where you know and and again I think we it we'd want it

[1:04:30] to be pretty tight. I don't again you know we don't want to change you know

[1:04:35] very many streets very often but but if there was a handful of streets you know

[1:04:39] similar to Wasp way I I think I think I think it is important that we we do

[1:04:45] maintain that that heritage and that some of the historical value too going

[1:04:49] forward because things change you know community will look a lot different in

[1:04:53] 30 years than it does today and so I I I think it's you know I I think that might

[1:04:59] be something just just another way to kind to hang on to our heritage. So,

[1:05:04] » yeah. No, I like that. Um I I the other thing that I think of is Sheep Lang was

[1:05:11] a county road before. The county has named many many roads. And so, as we

[1:05:16] annex, I think we're going to have this, you know, as we grow westward,

[1:05:21] [clears throat] there's quite a few that have names. And so, we do need to have a

[1:05:25] policy, you know, if we can have a number to it. and that like I I know the

[1:05:30] one they call Tap Lane is 1900 South, you know. So if we again just make sure

[1:05:34] we keep with the grid but then have this but I mean are you really going to trash

[1:05:40] what they not not trash but just get rid of what has been historically that

[1:05:47] because even if we don't [clears throat] annex like all sheep lane up along uh

[1:05:52] from one man band all the way over that's still sheep lane in the county

[1:05:56] you know and and really the reason why it connects to 2300 is it actually goes

[1:06:01] behind if you look at the old road maps goes behind the motel and everything and

[1:06:05] connects perfectly into there. It's everyone's always wondered why is it

[1:06:09] dead end at subway and and then restart but it actually [clears throat] goes

[1:06:13] behind there and then connects and then it doesn't sheep lane starts on highway

[1:06:19] 132 and it ends on >> like the most confusing road in the

[1:06:23] whole area to get a fire page too. >> Yeah, for sure. For sure.

[1:06:26] » But you're saying are you saying essentially

[1:06:29] maintain existing names? I would maintain existing names, but

[1:06:33] » then we can still throw underneath what throw in.

[1:06:36] » Yes. Throw in the grid >> and probably don't get into a huge

[1:06:40] naming >> contest of every single road, but there

[1:06:43] will be some things of historical significance. Something that a lot of

[1:06:47] this generation, the future generations are going to eventually forget is this

[1:06:51] is track street. You know, 100 north, that's we all knew it as track street

[1:06:56] growing up. And you know, my dad said there were the tracks that just went

[1:06:59] right along here and went up the canyon and and such. So anyways, there's just a

[1:07:04] few of historical significance like like Jeremy had said and then just I I I

[1:07:09] don't want to lose some of that of when we do bring these in westward because it

[1:07:14] also I mean a lot of people get the their address or whatnot put on either a

[1:07:19] sign or their mailbox or different things. And I know even when we had

[1:07:23] addresses assigned out in the county I think the jail is 425 West sheet lane.

[1:07:29] Uh then I know the storage yard got a 525 west and then I know that uh Heath

[1:07:35] Butler isn't he >> his shop is also something west sheep

[1:07:40] lane drive and so I I think if we could do the sheep lane but then have that but

[1:07:45] then yeah if there are other roads that go westward um through annexations and

[1:07:51] such because airport road will probably eventually

[1:07:55] » we also have metal lane >> metal lane I mean we don't have to

[1:07:59] There's cow lane. There's I mean you go around oral road is also partially

[1:08:05] » city in now, right? I mean I think it's a U dot frontage road along uh there.

[1:08:11] But there's just a few things like that that I think we have to consider.

[1:08:15] » Think if it's sheeper should have a sheep on it like the

[1:08:18] » do we want [laughter] to have a picture of a sheep just like

[1:08:22] » Yeah, it must have a photo. [laughter] >> But that's Sorry, I have a comment.

[1:08:28] Yes. >> But that's the thing is is we don't when

[1:08:32] we address things and I'm kind of now talking from the planning and something

[1:08:37] » when we address things we address them. I mean there's another one that lives on

[1:08:40] 700 North that is their address is was like no it's a nickname.

[1:08:45] » Yeah. So why this came about is because of what Travis said is is the properties

[1:08:51] we're annexing in. we were giving a number, but there were county people

[1:08:56] that still it's it's um she blame. So I'm like, if

[1:09:03] we're going to have it be sheep lane, if we're going to give it a number, it

[1:09:07] needs to be on the sign, you know? I So I mean, that's just the way that we add

[1:09:14] the addresses. So I just don't know like are you saying no the address should be

[1:09:18] sheep lane or we should go with 2300 north because

[1:09:23] I mean that's just Nephi city's way that we can address right now. So that's like

[1:09:28] that's what I want to >> and I might also suggest the possibility

[1:09:34] of extending the name of way because as it is right now it ends [snorts] I

[1:09:43] believe at third west [clears throat] but 7th north goes all the way out to

[1:09:50] 3100 west. >> It's just not our street at that point.

[1:09:54] So that's what's hard is that's then county as soon as we crossed the tracks

[1:09:59] then it splits off into county instead of

[1:10:02] » I just wondering why the whole thing wasn't called wasp boy.

[1:10:06] » I think it was just a nickname after the fact but yeah that would be something

[1:10:08] the county would have to do. >> I would think as far as addressing

[1:10:11] purposes it should just be the numbers. >> It should stay to the numbers

[1:10:15] » form to the numbers and then just like this just consider that more of a a

[1:10:18] nickname for the street. That's my opinion.

[1:10:21] » Yeah. Well, the students came in because we do from the high school and petition

[1:10:28] to have number. So

[1:10:32] » So if they're currently on Chief Lane, if they were to annex in the future

[1:10:35] build house there, it would then be 2300 South

[1:10:39] » was is what they would write on there. >> So is there something we should look at

[1:10:44] though readressing some of these that are newer that we've already addressed?

[1:10:48] And then the sheriff's office, I mean, they're

[1:10:52] Because that is really confusing. I mean like like Joel mentioned, I mean you get

[1:10:56] a page. Luckily these guys will all know, hey, it's the jail, but I mean she

[1:11:00] lane you could be anywhere >> except for all the new guys. All of us

[1:11:04] homegrown guys were like, "Oh yeah, we know Sid Rigg lives out on there." And

[1:11:08] everybody's like, "Who's Sid Rigg?" [laughter]

[1:11:13] » No one knows where to go except for all his home girls and there's getting two

[1:11:17] of us. >> Yeah. So, it might be good to at least

[1:11:21] Yeah. Just make sure all of our addressing.

[1:11:24] » We have to work the post office, but uh we could try to do that.

[1:11:28] » Yeah. I think >> it's hard if they've got a monument sign

[1:11:30] with it chiseled in. That would be tough. But I think yeah any that don't

[1:11:35] have monments [laughter] I don't know I think that that is a

[1:11:39] really good point and it's mostly I mean what we're worried about is the public

[1:11:43] safety side. Yeah, we'll we'll uh we'll draft something in a policy and then we

[1:11:48] can kind of tweak it from there. But this is good feedback as we kind of put

[1:11:51] that together >> because I know you just have to do an

[1:11:53] affidavit, right? And then that's what >> Yeah, it can be done. We did that with

[1:11:56] 450 when we changed that from 400 to 450.

[1:12:00] » And even when we changed, do you remember it was originally

[1:12:03] [clears throat] recorded out there where the steakhouse is is 100 west, but then

[1:12:06] when Kyle looked at it, it was 425 >> because of that weird dog leg that

[1:12:12] happens that technically that road was 425. So we did it with an affidavit,

[1:12:17] recorded it, and then took it to the post office. So when when drafting that,

[1:12:21] are you saying essentially we blanket the whole town as numbers, but then we

[1:12:29] just recognize nicknames on signs >> if we want to go that direction. Yeah,

[1:12:35] » that's that's kind of what I'm hearing at least is if it's cheap lane, it's

[1:12:38] 2300. However, the street sign itself would be nicknamed Wasway or sheep lane

[1:12:45] or track free street or whatever. >> But it wouldn't be it wouldn't be 2300

[1:12:50] there and it wouldn't be 2,300 out by the landfill.

[1:12:53] » Yeah. Because it's different. >> And so that makes it so

[1:12:57] » confusing. I think to go with council's [clears throat] idea to have just kind

[1:13:02] of have it be a nickname. Just like with 7th North, we don't have Waspway signs

[1:13:06] at every intersection all the way to the high school. This is just kind of this

[1:13:09] main just almost like a monument sign [laughter]

[1:13:14] highway 28 and cheap lane. Uh but going westward it would be numbered and uh and

[1:13:22] then when you kind of turn the corner way out to the west if we ever annex

[1:13:25] that far uh it would just be new numbers going north and it wouldn't be known as

[1:13:29] lane. So >> I guess some of our addresses are

[1:13:34] currently on Main Street but technically it's Highway 128, right? Uh so yeah, one

[1:13:39] of the things we had talked about is south of the freeway would be known as

[1:13:42] highway one or highway 28 and north of the freeway would be Main Street. And so

[1:13:47] that way you avoid that um that confusion, but there already has been

[1:13:52] some things named Main Street on the south end. So uh we'll just have to

[1:13:57] maybe going forward we'll we'll you know state those things.

[1:14:01] I know when the um Oh, that subdivision, the industrial

[1:14:07] one, help me. >> Rodri.

[1:14:09] » Rodri, thank you. >> Uh came in, I think that was labeled as

[1:14:12] Highway 28. >> Oh, nice. When I talked to the state

[1:14:17] 911, we determined that the elevator road would be our cutoff because just

[1:14:23] what Seth said, we've already named a bunch of them Main Street and so Rodri

[1:14:27] is the cutoff and Elevator Road where it will now be named Highway 28.

[1:14:33] » Okay. So like where the warehouse is the correct that one's still main south of

[1:14:38] Elevator Road will have the name of Highway 28. north of Elevator Road. So

[1:14:46] Owens Corning and that it will be Main Street

[1:14:50] » North. >> Otherwise, Leand would have Nephi main

[1:14:52] street [laughter]

[1:14:56] » and they have main street. >> Well, I mean that's what you kind of

[1:15:00] look at. I think it's Delta. Is it Delta or San County? I mean, sometimes it's

[1:15:05] like crazy. I I think it might even be off of Manti. there. Is it the county

[1:15:11] that they do the county seat and it's like 33,064

[1:15:16] north manti? But it's like clear

[1:15:20] » right north of Manti on those houses. >> Yeah. But there's some that are like way

[1:15:24] just out in the unincorporated county and I think they have a mant. I guess

[1:15:28] we're actually technically Nephi clear out to Dog Valley, right?

[1:15:31] » I think so from a zip code stand. So they do that in Mount Pleasant where

[1:15:37] my daughter lives because she's outside [clears throat]

[1:15:40] Mount Pleasant but she has a Mount Pleasant address but she's in the in

[1:15:46] » unincorporated >> unincorporated county.

[1:15:49] » Okay. >> Interesting. [laughter]

[1:15:53] » More fin. >> Yeah. I mean I think the best place is

[1:15:58] to have a template and just start there. uh we'll just take some of the feedback

[1:16:02] we've heard here and we'll put something together and then we can kind of massage

[1:16:06] and adjust as needed till we get to something comfortable. I think there's

[1:16:09] pros and cons to some of the things that we've talked about and we'll we'll talk

[1:16:13] about those more in work session as we draft the policy.

[1:16:16] » Yeah. >> But remember it's was way because of a

[1:16:20] student petition. >> Exactly. I was just thinking that

[1:16:23] » but [clears throat] I do like not addressing off of that. I I do like

[1:16:27] » enough subisions to worry about the [laughter]

[1:16:30] history.

[1:16:34] » Okay. >> And even then, how much luck would we

[1:16:37] have in trying to rename First North Track Street? I mean, it's a it's a

[1:16:44] state highway. So I think the state of Utah is going to

[1:16:49] » Utah. [laughter]

[1:16:54] » There you go. >> All right. Sarah, are you doing the

[1:16:58] cemetery burial? >> Okay. [laughter]

[1:17:02] » It affects Leslie a little more than me. >> Okay.

[1:17:06] » All right. So basically it just said the purpose is for this for cemetery plot

[1:17:12] cells and we know most of it um I'm trying to think

[1:17:19] um the city council will still retain oversight but I we decided that you

[1:17:25] don't need to approve burial cells right >> that was their desire that was okay so

[1:17:31] that that's kind of um where this kind of started um When we're selling plots,

[1:17:38] I inventory limits. Um, we have right now individual or household purchase for

[1:17:47] maximum and I think that's pre-needed. Um, you know, we had a situation in our

[1:17:52] community recently and I think if it was at need, we could sell as many as

[1:17:56] needed, but pre-need, I don't know if if you think I think four per household is,

[1:18:04] but [laughter] what I don't know if you guys Is it currently eight?

[1:18:07] » Is [clears throat] it currently eight that somebody can have?

[1:18:09] » No, >> I think

[1:18:11] » four per person. >> It says per person, but like

[1:18:16] » because I think I think that's how Lisa how we always have the eight.

[1:18:19] » But the problem I find is they say, well, all this time my wife do it, but

[1:18:26] it all comes out of the same account, the same person signing the check. So it

[1:18:30] it I just need clarification, you know? It's like, so yeah. So yeah,

[1:18:35] I'll just have my my son buy this many and my daughter buy that many and my mom

[1:18:39] I'm paying for all of them, but I'll just put their name on them.

[1:18:42] » Yeah, >> I don't know. I just am trying to limit

[1:18:44] the amount because in reality, how many like I'm not going to buy them for my

[1:18:50] children because I don't know if they're going to live here.

[1:18:54] » I mean, I'm not going to do that, but I mean other people might. That's fine.

[1:18:58] But so I just don't know. [clears throat]

[1:19:01] » [cough] >> I don't know if you guys need more than

[1:19:04] four or if I should stick with per person, that's fine. I just

[1:19:09] » did we get to where it is only um the fee to reserve the spot be because I

[1:19:17] remember that was what we talked about back in the day. They used to be able to

[1:19:21] come in and they were purchased in the early 1900s and they got to just get

[1:19:25] buried, you know, at that cost even though it cost us a lot more to take

[1:19:30] care of things. So then we had switched to perpetual care was like at the time

[1:19:34] of burial. But now is it pretty much everything is at time of burial?

[1:19:37] » No. So you purchase the plot itself and then um open and close fees are at time

[1:19:45] of burial. Is that the only thing that's >> except for those older deeds um the

[1:19:51] familyowned plots we do charge perpetual care as well as

[1:19:57] um the opening clos >> because I know I think when we were

[1:20:00] doing research on this I mean this has been years ago so I can't even remember

[1:20:04] now but we were putting the master fee schedule together the first time and I

[1:20:09] remember we were talking about this that um

[1:20:13] it's just so hard to because we're having to subsidize all the use of

[1:20:18] that with parks. Uh, I mean, it's general fund money and really it should

[1:20:25] be the user of the service. And so really, I I don't really want to do more

[1:20:29] than just sell the lot to the plot to people at the time because they're not

[1:20:34] using them for so many years later in a lot of these cases.

[1:20:38] » And and the thing is with if they if you're allowing people to buy more than

[1:20:41] four, we're going to run out faster than >> Well, that's what Yeah, we just went

[1:20:45] through I mean, it's been quite a few years. We had to go through a reclaim

[1:20:48] process, >> right? And so if you're allowing people

[1:20:51] to buy as many as they want, I mean, so I think there needs to be a limit. I

[1:20:55] guess I just am I mean, do you think individuals fine or do you think I'm

[1:20:58] okay to go per household? >> Well, and do you do it just based purely

[1:21:03] off of your immediate family? You know, if you have one, it's there's just three

[1:21:09] of you, then that's all that you can purchase is just a max of your immediate

[1:21:13] family. >> Yeah. you know.

[1:21:15] » Okay. But what if I have married children and I I mean are they

[1:21:18] considered immediate family? So see you know

[1:21:20] » well wouldn't the married children share your kids spot or would they have a

[1:21:24] separate >> I'm just saying I'm just saying there's

[1:21:27] so many logistics >> there there are but I mean would you I

[1:21:31] think they would have to purchase their own but don't you usually isn't it a

[1:21:34] husband wife >> plot or or are they buying they're two

[1:21:39] separate plots there? So when my brother died, my mom and dad

[1:21:44] bought four plots >> because people want to be able to be by

[1:21:48] their family. I think that's one of the big things.

[1:21:50] » That's one of the things. But >> that was that I thought at the time that

[1:21:54] was Ellie bought four plots. >> So was one of them.

[1:21:59] » Well, the one Yeah, we got one. So my mom and dad are buried right here and

[1:22:03] then Jake's on the side of them and there's one plot that's just there.

[1:22:08] » [laughter]

[1:22:10] » We'll have to fight over the plot. I get >> or maybe we'll get buried with our

[1:22:14] family and our own individ [laughter]

[1:22:21] the rule could still stand with an individual family. So my parents could

[1:22:25] buy up to five three kids and two parent two adults, right? However, I myself

[1:22:31] could buy four two kids and my wife and myself or whatever. So, I'm still

[1:22:36] limited. I'm still able to be I don't know. I don't know if that makes

[1:22:40] sense, but I'm thinking like in in the what was the example we were using? If

[1:22:45] there were >> Oh, yeah. Just just husband and wife

[1:22:48] that wife could still still buy one in the same area, but she would have to buy

[1:22:55] it herself or I don't know is that like it can still work.

[1:23:00] » My my point is is like >> Yeah. So what's your recommendation at

[1:23:04] the end of the day then? >> Mine

[1:23:07] » I would say per household >> how many per household

[1:23:11] » four >> but what if household has eight people?

[1:23:16] » Well I have kids but I'm not [clears throat] I'm not going to buy

[1:23:20] that many because my my are all the kids going to I don't know

[1:23:25] it it just >> you know I

[1:23:27] » in all reality >> I I agree Lesie. I think I think four

[1:23:32] per household, you know, because that's kind of one of those things kind of like

[1:23:35] it's kind of like life insurance. You know, you buy it but you really don't

[1:23:38] want to use it. That's kind of that same thing, you know. I I hope that you know

[1:23:42] that if I have four plots, I I really hope that, you know, just two of them

[1:23:47] are used and, you know, and then, you know, my kids are off, you know, doing

[1:23:52] other things other place and, you know, I hope that I don't have to bury a child

[1:23:56] or anything that way where we would have to use one of them. So, so I

[1:24:01] » So, what do you do then? Do you turn them back?

[1:24:08] » Yeah. There's like a life associated with that.

[1:24:10] » So, and then when it goes >> 60 years.

[1:24:13] » Yeah. >> Oh, 60 years.

[1:24:15] » And then the city has the right to buy it back at that time, frame.

[1:24:18] » Are you saying purely though that it would be pre-needed?

[1:24:21] » Yes. So, so let's say that a family, heaven forbid this happens, but they're

[1:24:25] in a car accident and there's seven people in the vehicle, six die.

[1:24:31] » They can all get a a block. That would be fine. So, it's at me.

[1:24:35] » Okay. >> So, they just can't just

[1:24:36] » And if they had purchased some previously, I would transfer those

[1:24:40] somewhere else where they [clears throat]

[1:24:43] » So, this is just reserving taking space.

[1:24:47] » Yes. >> Okay. I I feel better about that. I I

[1:24:50] was a little confused on that. So, I appreciate the clarification,

[1:24:53] » but yeah, I I would definitely allow at at need as many as needed. Um, and like

[1:25:00] I said, if they had already purchased some and they didn't have any space

[1:25:03] around them, I would say, well, let's move you and we'll just transfer that

[1:25:07] » to somewhere else. >> No, I I I think I'm good with it. I I

[1:25:11] think >> Yeah, because we don't want like because

[1:25:14] there were some I know there were some old family plots

[1:25:17] » that had 16 or 20. I mean, there were just so many. And

[1:25:23] then there were people that came in and they really wanted to be buried by their

[1:25:26] family, but these are all reserved and not one single one was being used, you

[1:25:32] know, and and then people didn't even know

[1:25:34] » and there's still a whole out there that are families that

[1:25:38] » So, is that when you put the 60-year limit on it?

[1:25:41] » That's when you did that. Oh, the reclamation because because there wasn't

[1:25:46] these were like early 1900s lots when they did the reclamation because then

[1:25:51] Phil went through and tried to [clears throat]

[1:25:53] » and it caused a lot of >> anger.

[1:25:56] » It did a lot of anger. >> In fact, that anger is still out there

[1:26:01] tax-free land. [laughter] I I in addition to this I I really think

[1:26:08] we still need to look at the cost of what an out of town individual is. I

[1:26:13] Monet just changed theirs at 6,500. And what is ours at?

[1:26:18] » 1500. >> Yeah,

[1:26:21] » 6,500. That's what I was given

[1:26:25] » as a number. Double check that. But >> it is fact check.

[1:26:29] » Fact check. I I do think your fees should be somewhat

[1:26:34] [clears throat] associated with the cost that you have and I don't think there's

[1:26:38] anything wrong with having a higher cost for an out of city resident because we

[1:26:42] purchase land for our residents and so I I do think we should have a high enough

[1:26:47] fee but I do think it should be associated with something rather than

[1:26:50] just a high number. >> But I do think

[1:26:53] » no yeah to that point though we do need to have inventory for those and correct

[1:26:58] the cost of land is getting crazy. Yes. So, we actually do need to have a true

[1:27:02] analysis done to make sure that the cost or the uh revenues that we're bringing

[1:27:06] in are going to enable us to make it so many years and then enable us to also

[1:27:12] purchase additional land somewhere else for a new cemetery. So, we we need to

[1:27:17] probably do that at some point. Um, and make sure and the out of city out of

[1:27:22] city fee and and and we've had kind of a hard time with that because, you know,

[1:27:27] let's say someone lives here for 35 years, gets a job, goes down to work

[1:27:32] somewhere for 15 years, retires, and then comes back to Nephi or, you know,

[1:27:38] or something like that. and anyway or they want they want to be married to

[1:27:42] Nephi because they were they were here for a long time and now they're being

[1:27:46] [clears throat] charged a really exorbitant fee but they were a valued

[1:27:49] member of our community for 30 years or something like that. I mean we just have

[1:27:53] to balance those things out but also make sure that we're we're

[1:27:57] taking care of residents >> and where costs are jumping. I'm

[1:28:00] wondering if we can't also find uh and dedicate I remember Phil would give us a

[1:28:06] whole presentation back when he was working here of a cremation garden.

[1:28:12] » Yeah. Because it would just be nice to >> Yeah. I mean that that's just it's so

[1:28:19] much cheaper and there's a lot of people that don't care. They're like, you know

[1:28:23] what, it's my shelf. >> There actually are a lot of creations

[1:28:26] » and but they're taking full >> I know. Are they taking full plots?

[1:28:30] » No, a lot of them are having two. So, two can be buried in a in a plot if if

[1:28:36] it's cremation or you can have a casket and a cremation

[1:28:41] um so

[1:28:44] » yeah, we have a plan. Uh we've just never really carried it out. I think

[1:28:47] we're still reserving that space for future uh column bearing, but we'll we

[1:28:53] can bring that back. It's >> column bar.

[1:28:55] » Yeah, >> I had a brochure.

[1:28:58] [laughter] Some guy had brought me a brochure and stuff walked by. Oh, it's a

[1:29:02] column. I'm like, you know what that [laughter]

[1:29:05] » I had no idea what >> too long in the bones after.

[1:29:08] » I I know I've said this before, but it still continues. I I doing hospice care.

[1:29:15] A lot more people want to be cremated and a really the game that's being

[1:29:20] played is wherever the cheapest land is to bury, if they're gonna bury, they're

[1:29:24] going to go there. And it and it no rhyme, no reason. I just know plots are

[1:29:29] cheaper. And I don't >> I think Yeah. If we're gonna I mean

[1:29:34] that's adding expense to our citizens of our community where we could be

[1:29:38] basically saying if you want like you said if you want to be buried here then

[1:29:42] this is the reason why that plot is so much because I mean up north 10 to

[1:29:46] 12,000 for a plot I mean for a you know a place to put your

[1:29:51] » mall is $6500 and it's 5,000 cheaper to come 10 minutes south that's where do

[1:29:59] you double do double will be >> um only if it's a child on top.

[1:30:06] » Okay. >> A lot of cemeteries up north have

[1:30:09] started because >> I have a couple of relatives that are

[1:30:14] double D. >> So whoever dies first is on the bottom

[1:30:17] and then whoever dies second is on the top.

[1:30:20] » That way the plots's one plot but boy they charge her for the digging.

[1:30:28] [clears throat] >> Yeah. I mentioned they would have to go

[1:30:30] deeper on that. >> Yeah, they go down 12. But

[1:30:33] » 12 ft. Wow. >> Yeah. And it has

[1:30:37] » And yeah, and so they charge, you know.

[1:30:41] » Yeah. For >> sufficiently.

[1:30:44] » I think we could use the back truck, you know, for

[1:30:48] » Yeah. >> So, yeah, if you'll do some massaging

[1:30:52] and working over on that and then uh >> All right. Sorry. Um So the

[1:31:00] [clears throat] one thing is right now so I the certificate of burial rights um

[1:31:07] can be issued upon completion of the cell and it needs to be signed by me. Um

[1:31:13] there isn't I mean we have the mayor's been signing all of them. He doesn't

[1:31:17] have to and if you want to I am we will continue that way. I don't even care.

[1:31:22] Um, I did take the notary off of it anyway, just because that was a little

[1:31:28] bit too much and it doesn't have to be notorized [laughter]

[1:31:33] because if if if you're signing it and I'm attesting it, that works or I can

[1:31:37] just sign it. So, it's a kind of I'm just leaving that up to you. If you

[1:31:40] would like to be involved in that process, that is perfectly fine and

[1:31:43] we'll continue that way. >> Okay?

[1:31:45] » So, just let me know on that. Um, we currently buy back

[1:31:52] um purchase lots if they're unused and they don't want them anymore, we will

[1:31:56] buy them back for the original purchase price if they have their deed if or

[1:32:01] their their burial right. If they do not, we determine that administratively.

[1:32:06] Um, I think right now for the older deeds, it's like $75

[1:32:13] to buy those back.

[1:32:18] » Uh, to transfer [clears throat] burial rights,

[1:32:21] I have have to record it. I have to um just make that I usually do an affidavit

[1:32:27] if I'm having someone transfer a plot that they own. And then they have to

[1:32:32] turn in the PL or turn in their burial right be issued a new one.

[1:32:38] My question is is should we charge for that [laughter] too? I don't know.

[1:32:43] There's a lot of cemeteries that do charge if people want to transfer

[1:32:47] rights. I'm fine to just schedule on. >> It's usually about $50 to $100

[1:32:54] is what they charge. >> It just be calculated based on staff

[1:32:57] time. >> Yeah. I mean I was going to say what

[1:33:00] else what else what other cost would it >> it's not I mean but we we do have to

[1:33:05] have an affidavit we do have to you know take that and then just create the rec

[1:33:10] again so it's just >> so I don't care if if you just wanted to

[1:33:15] just do it I'm fine with that too

[1:33:19] » no then just review we didn't know how often you wanted to review them we know

[1:33:23] you don't want them every meeting >> I could do a monthly how many were sold

[1:33:27] how or once a year how many plots we have

[1:33:31] actually left. I mean just I don't know how often you would want

[1:33:38] » quarterly. >> I was thinking I was thinking of

[1:33:40] quarterly actually is what I was thinking. I would

[1:33:46] » Yeah, quarterly would be good. Maybe just a simple number that says number of

[1:33:50] plots sold and then number >> and I would designate also whether they

[1:33:54] were um resident or non-resident >> just so aware. So we would have an an

[1:34:00] idea of are we selling more out of town or

[1:34:04] » Well, and then in addition to the sales, could you just throw also just number of

[1:34:08] burials that actually occurred too? So that way we know

[1:34:12] » you want to know. >> Do we know the available inventory? Like

[1:34:15] do we have a specific number? >> Um I think there's a report I can pull.

[1:34:20] I I was messing with it the other day, but you know, my program's really

[1:34:26] » That's [laughter] so the new software would be great for

[1:34:31] that because hopefully then we can get a report because then we can actually map

[1:34:35] out based off sales and things and then how much land we want to be able to

[1:34:40] acquire. >> There's still quite a few lots

[1:34:45] » really. I think >> we'll call that for the Nephi plotter.

[1:34:50] [laughter]

[1:34:52] » I like it.

[1:34:56] » Is that it? >> Anything else?

[1:34:59] » Yeah. No, quarterly is great. >> Quarterly need to sign. A lot of cities

[1:35:03] we found just have the recorder sign and leave out. But if you want to sign,

[1:35:07] we'll leave that spot. >> Talking about [clears throat] pricing

[1:35:10] and stuff would as far as changing out of out of town owners and pricing, what

[1:35:16] what would we need to do for that? I would recommend that we do a full-blown

[1:35:20] analysis of what we're bringing in, what our future needs are, um, and and adjust

[1:35:25] our whole fee structure based on that analysis so that we just have something

[1:35:30] to base it on rather than just say we're [clears throat] just going to pick this

[1:35:34] high number. Um, >> right.

[1:35:35] » You know, I I don't I think I think you're welcome and you can charge a

[1:35:39] higher fee. There's nothing wrong with having a premium on that. My personal

[1:35:44] opinion is it just it should be based on something rather than just let's just

[1:35:48] charge the heck out of non-residents. >> Well, I agree. But even if I mean we

[1:35:52] have some basis with our neighboring communities.

[1:35:55] » Well, if we do, but their basis is I just want to charge the heck out of

[1:35:59] non-residents, then >> we're just basing it off that same

[1:36:02] mentality. So, we I think if you have if you can point to something and say this

[1:36:06] is why we need it. this is why we need $3,000 or $5,000, whatever you end up

[1:36:11] deciding, is that it meets this analysis, this need, because in X number

[1:36:16] of years, we're going to have to go out and purchase land for the cemetery.

[1:36:19] » So, even with the new property tax rate, will you remind me what the average tax

[1:36:25] bill will be for the Nephi portion portion? Is it like is it under 300

[1:36:31] still? >> Uh, no, it'd be

[1:36:34] uh >> or about 300. It was it was 300 and

[1:36:37] something. Yeah. 300 something. So the what I'm getting at though you our

[1:36:42] residents get a lot of services for that not just cemetery. So it's kind of crazy

[1:36:46] to maybe make it that much more when really our residents aren't paying that

[1:36:52] much more for the you know when you look at our property tax and different

[1:36:56] things. So I I don't know that's just kind of when

[1:37:00] you do resident non-resident it's usually because hey you're a taxpayer

[1:37:04] that's why you get this for cheaper than the

[1:37:07] » we have another rate a utility rate is that what it's called

[1:37:12] those who are on Nephi city utilities even if they live in the county they

[1:37:18] » live in the dollar >> better rate not quite the resident rate

[1:37:20] but they do get a better rate than the out

[1:37:23] » okay >> but I think if you do a full-blown

[1:37:27] analysis. You just have some methodology behind why you're doing what you're

[1:37:31] doing. >> Um, but I certainly agree that that

[1:37:35] that's why the fee should be there is to save the land for your residents.

[1:37:39] There's just tricky situations with all of that and that's something you guys

[1:37:43] will want to think about. >> I'm just alluding to the amount of

[1:37:46] premium though. I mean, yes, there should be a premium, but I mean, how how

[1:37:52] much is fair when really that's what our residents are paying, you know, but I

[1:37:57] also like where you say the utilities and such, too, because we do need to

[1:38:00] factor in I think all of those the cemeteries and stuff are being

[1:38:04] subsidized by our utility funds as well, you know, and so I think going off your

[1:38:10] true costs and such and how much the utility funds are putting to the

[1:38:14] cemetery and the taxes is everything that's going there. As long as those are

[1:38:19] all accounted for in that analysis, then I think you can make that jump the

[1:38:23] premium that should be charged fairly to the non-resident true non-resident

[1:38:29] [clears throat] that's not contributing. >> Yeah. And then you'd have some sort of

[1:38:35] um set established rule of what qualifies you to be a resident. Whether

[1:38:40] that was like a 50% of your life was in here or something like that's the

[1:38:46] » that's the tough part. >> That's the thing is I'm not going to

[1:38:48] know the old people that that lived here for a long time. I won't know that. I

[1:38:54] just >> Yeah. Um and it'll be

[1:38:57] » bring your diploma. I did that. [laughter]

[1:39:00] » Hey, and I did find out they go back to at least the 50s on diplomas.

[1:39:06] [clears throat]

[1:39:09] [laughter]

[1:39:13] » Yeah, that's right.

[1:39:26] » It's hard. And then you know cuz >> to use the example I had so someone

[1:39:30] who's lived here for you know 70 years [laughter] went to St. George to retire

[1:39:34] for three died and wants to be buried in Nephi but now has a St. George address

[1:39:39] versus, you know, someone that lived their entire life in Salt Lake but

[1:39:43] retired in Nephi, have lived for a year and then died and were able to purchase

[1:39:47] a plot based on a percent of a lifetime like

[1:39:50] » so yeah but again how do you how do you demonstrate the proof of that? I I don't

[1:39:56] know. It's that that'd be very very tough. Um

[1:39:59] » other we could try to do that but

[1:40:03] » some people it's just the Yeah, that's just going to be the situation. I'm

[1:40:07] sorry. >> People lie. People lie, but it doesn't

[1:40:10] make any idea >> on there, right?

[1:40:12] » On their Yeah. >> This is a lying. We put it on their

[1:40:16] tombstone. >> Yeah. Liar.

[1:40:17] » No, you [laughter] >> could look at the tax records or

[1:40:21] something. >> Yeah.

[1:40:26] » Tax records. He said said tax records.

[1:40:31] » Well, we could get that kind of thing. [clears throat]

[1:40:34] » Yeah. >> We struggle to get that property.

[1:40:36] struggle to get that kind of data >> just automatically.

[1:40:40] » Yeah, sometimes we don't get updated data.

[1:40:43] [laughter]

[1:40:46] » Okay. Any more in that area then? >> No.

[1:40:49] » Okay. There there is a need for a closed meeting for character and

[1:40:56] confidence even individual litigation and real property

[1:41:00] » purchase of real property. If

[1:41:04] » someone make a motion that we Uh move to close meeting for character and

[1:41:10] competence of individ individual litigation and purchase of

[1:41:15] » second. >> Oh,

[1:41:19] » is it roll call?

[1:41:22] » It's a roll call. Just give me a second. That was Travis with a second.

[1:41:25] » Yes. >> You know that. Thank you.

[1:41:27] [clears throat] All right. Tate. >> Hi, Jeremy. Hi,

[1:41:32] » Travis. Hi, Shar. >> Hi.

[1:41:38] Okay. Uh, we are ready to go in close meeting then.

[1:41:44] » Thanks for coming out.

[1:41:49] » Seth, did you have to call? Is he still coming tonight? Thank you.

City Council Sept 1, 2026

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