[0:09] [snorts] I pledge allegiance to the flag

[0:12] of the United States of America and to

[0:15] the republic for which it stands, one

[0:17] nation under God, indivisible, with

[0:21] liberty and justice for all.

[0:29] Good evening.

[0:31] >> Good evening.

[0:32] >> Rousing response. Okay. [laughter]

[0:37] So, as always, we work from an agenda

[0:40] and uh based on the information that I

[0:43] had before I left last Monday, I uh put

[0:46] out uh the agenda and uh obviously

[0:49] there's some updates for at least it's

[0:52] items that are already on the agenda.

[0:54] Uh, so I did not see the minutes. They

[0:57] weren't ready uh last week when I sent

[1:00] this out, but I do understand they've

[1:02] gone out. Um, anybody have any? Let's

[1:05] start with the June 22nd where there was

[1:09] uh making them a little bit more uh

[1:11] concise and there were some omitted

[1:13] errors, omitted sections. Did anybody uh

[1:17] have any comments on that?

[1:19] >> I Well, we haven't I haven't received an

[1:22] updated Was it sent out?

[1:25] >> Okay. So, there wasn't an updated June

[1:27] 2nd.

[1:28] >> No, the only minutes I saw were the

[1:30] August.

[1:31] >> No, they were they were

[1:32] >> June came out first.

[1:35] >> They were paired down.

[1:36] >> They were Oh, June come out. Okay.

[1:39] >> Jinger and I discussed this.

[1:41] >> Yeah.

[1:42] >> They were just paired down a little bit.

[1:43] >> Yeah. Okay.

[1:44] >> And I was worried that you admitted

[1:46] pieces that she just had missed the

[1:48] first couple of uh sections.

[1:52] Yeah.

[1:53] >> Okay.

[1:55] [laughter]

[1:55] >> Oh, that was like the same day. But

[1:58] >> the e world is too confusing for me.

[2:00] >> Thoughts, comments?

[2:02] >> I I thought they were Robert. It was on

[2:03] the 23rd um of September. Drew.

[2:08] >> I didn't have

[2:09] >> Okay.

[2:11] You okay?

[2:12] >> Yeah.

[2:12] >> Okay. So, can I get a motion then to

[2:14] accept the June 22nd minutes?

[2:17] >> So, moved. Uh second by

[2:21] >> a second

[2:22] >> Glenn. Okay. Dave

[2:25] >> and second by Glenn.

[2:28] >> All those in favor signify by I.

[2:31] >> I. I.

[2:34] >> Okay. The eyes have it. And then the

[2:36] 24th of August.

[2:41] Get a motion to accept those.

[2:45] >> So moved.

[2:46] >> Second.

[2:47] All right, we'll do Okay,

[2:50] >> get through.

[2:51] >> Okay,

[2:51] >> Drew got it. [clears throat]

[2:53] >> I was looking the other direction when I

[2:55] heard you before. Okay, so motion by

[2:57] Dave Grayson, second by Drew. All those

[2:59] in favor signify by I.

[3:01] >> I.

[3:02] >> Opposed.

[3:03] >> All righty.

[3:10] So, the next item we have on the agenda,

[3:12] if you don't mind waiting a few moments,

[3:14] Jerry, we'll get an update since you

[3:16] have to leave early.

[3:18] I I have 40 minutes though.

[3:20] >> Yeah. Well, we might be taking those 40

[3:22] minutes up. So, if you'd like to give

[3:24] your update from the uh Carol County

[3:27] Planning, that would be great.

[3:28] >> Sounds good. In terms of updates from

[3:32] Carol County Planning and Land

[3:33] Management, the kind of largest, most

[3:36] recent one

[3:38] um that's most pertinent to what you're

[3:40] doing here in New Windsor is that um we

[3:44] at the county level recently passed our

[3:48] updated um our ADU text amendment. So, I

[3:52] know that um ADUs are a a popular topic

[3:56] because of recent state changes to state

[4:00] law that require um municipalities to

[4:02] update their regulations regarding um

[4:05] accessory dwelling units in ADU. So, at

[4:07] the county level, they did the board of

[4:09] county commissioners, I believe, did um

[4:12] vote to pass updates to our county um

[4:16] ADU text in terms of what we require and making sure that it meets the

[4:22] requirements of the state law. um water

[4:25] and sewer planning. We did receive one

[4:28] um request from the town of New Windsor

[4:32] for the fall 2026

[4:35] amendment to the water and sewer master

[4:37] plan. That is a text amendment um which

[4:40] is what we received and that has to do

[4:42] with the wastewater treatment plant and

[4:44] updated communication with MDE which

[4:47] Gary Dy provided me information

[4:49] [clears throat] about and actually we

[4:50] spoke about this I believe at the August

[4:53] meeting briefly

[4:54] >> briefly yes

[4:56] >> um so I was um kind of given additional

[4:58] information on that and we received a

[5:00] request we need to just update the text

[5:02] of New Windsor's chapter of the water

[5:05] master plan to reflect um changes is

[5:07] with respect to future planning for

[5:09] wastewater treatment plant upgrades.

[5:12] >> Um those are the two big updates that I

[5:15] have. I did receive um we are in our

[5:19] kind of our technical review period for

[5:21] the municipal growth

[5:24] for the town of New Windsor's um

[5:26] comprehensive plan update. So we are

[5:31] working internally to get comments back

[5:33] to um Mark and to the town by

[5:36] midocctober so that then if we need to schedule an additional meeting and go

[5:41] through kind of any kind of formal

[5:42] process we we can to discuss any changes

[5:45] to the to the municipal growth area

[5:48] boundary or anything of that nature in chapter six. So any questions for me

[5:53] on any of these topics that I brought

[5:55] up?

[6:00] There is an item that we have on the

[6:02] agenda that

[6:05] >> after I sent to you the change that we

[6:09] wanted to see in that one little note

[6:11] that makes it clear

[6:14] what the density would be if the Huff

[6:17] property is

[6:19] annexed because that's what we need for

[6:22] the War and Sewer upgrade.

[6:24] >> Hypothetically.

[6:24] >> Yeah. Hypothetically. So I changed that

[6:28] and based on the acreage that was in the

[6:32] prior note and then Gary informed me

[6:34] that that acreage was wrong. So that's

[6:37] going to have to be changed. And also

[6:38] we've had a change in the request from

[6:41] the Snater property. Sners had requested

[6:44] some of their property to come out of

[6:47] the GAB or the plan or both

[6:49] >> J. And now uh owing to the uncertainty

[6:53] of the MPP situation, they asked not

[6:58] they didn't withdraw that request. They

[7:00] just asked us to put it on hold. So I

[7:02] think the note will will just reflect

[7:04] that that currently it is it's been

[7:07] submitted but we've been asked to put it

[7:08] on hold, you know, and we'll see how

[7:10] that plays out. But

[7:11] >> yeah, that makes total sense. And we are

[7:12] going to receive it back correspondence

[7:14] as well. Um both via myself and Daffy

[7:17] Daily director um with the county. So we

[7:20] are aware.

[7:22] >> But what does that do? Because we did

[7:25] vote

[7:26] to include in the comprehensive plan

[7:29] thus as a recommendation to the council

[7:32] to have the Snater property uh those two two of the three plots

[7:37] removed. I assume that means then we

[7:39] need to change. Do we I do we vote?

[7:43] >> I they what what's put on hold mean for

[7:46] us? I don't know that it candidly I

[7:48] don't know that it means anything for

[7:49] you.

[7:50] >> I think it would be reflected in the

[7:52] note in the draft once we finally get to

[7:55] submitting that draft. I mean unless the

[7:59] town and and you correct me if you

[8:02] disagree unless the town as the town

[8:07] decides it wants to remove the Sners

[8:10] irrespective of the Snater's wishes.

[8:14] I think that their wishes in this, it

[8:17] came in as a request from them. If they

[8:20] have changed their mind effectively or

[8:22] are waiting to see if they need to

[8:24] change their mind, I think it should

[8:26] just go maybe even with um a cover, you

[8:30] know, I mean, you send all these things

[8:31] with a cover letter that says here it is

[8:33] and by the way, this and this are

[8:35] speculative and please take particular

[8:37] note of that note. And then the electeds

[8:41] who are the ultimate determinant would

[8:44] decide if they're going to leave it in

[8:45] early doubt.

[8:45] >> So like we have our our maps and

[8:47] everything updated.

[8:48] >> I know

[8:48] >> to reflect that.

[8:50] >> I know.

[8:53] >> So uh but even even with the maps

[8:57] and even without a request the electeds

[9:00] could say no, we don't want to do that.

[9:03] In which case the ultimate maps would

[9:06] have to be changed anyway. And th those

[9:08] maps too, just to note, they are

[9:10] technically still in draft form because

[9:12] of the comprehensive plan update hasn't

[9:13] been

[9:14] >> correct. But if we move forward of

[9:17] taking this plan to the council and

[9:21] whether they agree with it or disagree

[9:23] with it, something's going to have to

[9:25] happen to that finished product

[9:27] >> and it will, but we can't do anything

[9:31] yet because we don't have a finished

[9:33] product. Now, honestly, I don't know the

[9:36] answer to if we are ready to go ahead

[9:40] and finish the project. I mean,

[9:42] ultimately finish 60-day review, all of

[9:44] those things. And the Snater's question

[9:46] is still up in the air. Then that's

[9:49] going to have to be resolved ultimately

[9:51] so that the plan can be completed.

[9:54] It is to be hoped

[9:57] against hope that that issue will be

[10:00] resolved by then. I frankly don't think

[10:02] it will, but it it could be. And or they

[10:06] could make a decision to withdraw their

[10:08] withdrawal or to go forward and to come

[10:11] in or out. There's just there's a lot of ifs involved that I don't know

[10:16] that anybody can answer at this point.

[10:18] Either do you have an opinion?

[10:20] >> Are we going to be able to go start the

[10:22] 60-day review possibly with the state

[10:25] with a document that's in that flux? Can

[10:29] we put verbiage in there that says if

[10:31] this happens, this stays. If this

[10:34] happens, this this pulls out.

[10:36] >> Yeah, I think so. If you're asking me if

[10:38] I've seen that.

[10:39] >> Okay.

[10:39] >> I haven't seen that.

[10:41] >> Want this on hold to hold us up?

[10:42] >> Oh, no. I don't I don't see that it

[10:44] would hold us up. Some kind of decision

[10:46] would have to be made by us.

[10:47] >> Would it be better not to show it and

[10:49] say there's potential that it may

[10:52] happen? That's what I feel because they came to us and made a request and I

[10:58] per first off I perfectly understand why they would consider you know or

[11:04] reconsider but they did come to us with

[11:06] a request. We voted on it. We made a

[11:10] decision that we we support having those

[11:14] two those two parcels removed. We

[11:16] reflect that in the plans. It's in the

[11:19] comprehensive plan which is recommended

[11:21] to the council. They've now come back to

[11:24] us and said kind of just put that on

[11:25] hold which to me means

[11:28] and they have put that in writing.

[11:30] >> Yeah.

[11:30] >> That they aren't asking us to bring it

[11:33] in. They're just they're they're

[11:35] thinking about it.

[11:36] >> Yeah. They're kind of asking us not to

[11:38] do anything.

[11:39] >> Yes.

[11:39] >> Which is fine for a little bit of while.

[11:42] But sooner rather than later, we're

[11:45] going to have to do something. Now, the

[11:46] worst that can happen, and it's not that

[11:48] bad, it's just a pain, is if we don't

[11:52] make that change. If we leave the

[11:54] standard property in and

[11:59] >> in

[12:00] we don't withdraw those two lots from

[12:02] our g,

[12:03] >> right? Leave the

[12:05] >> leave them in.

[12:05] >> Yes.

[12:06] >> And then ultimately, they decide that

[12:08] they want them out.

[12:11] We have to go through amending the

[12:13] master plan which we did for part of the

[12:15] lease property long ago. You will recall

[12:17] because they wanted to put that property

[12:19] in act preservation.

[12:20] >> And does that go through a six day

[12:21] period again?

[12:22] >> I don't recall. I apologize. I don't

[12:24] know off

[12:26] >> it goes through update process again

[12:29] just for for context. um in the county.

[12:33] I was reviewing Hamstead's comprehensive

[12:35] plan today and since they did a full

[12:37] plan update, I believe in 2010, they've

[12:39] had two amendments to their to their

[12:42] compre community comprehensive plans to

[12:44] reflect changes to the growth area

[12:45] boundary. So, it's something that that

[12:47] other communities do. Westminster, I'm

[12:48] sure it can be done and does it. And I

[12:51] think actually Westminster maybe

[12:53] >> yeah may have a proposal to do something

[12:55] like that similar again.

[12:56] >> Yeah, we're not surprised. Um but um

[12:58] it's other you know communities in the

[13:01] county have done that recently.

[13:03] >> It's a it's a similar process. I don't

[13:06] know that it's as extensive a review

[13:10] >> to take you know whatever 100 acres out

[13:14] of an area as opposed to uh here is a

[13:16] brand new plan for the next 10 years

[13:18] >> as an amendment to

[13:19] >> you just do it as an amendment. Yeah.

[13:20] But I mean there's a process but it can

[13:21] be done

[13:22] >> right. I I I'm I believe that they're

[13:26] requesting us

[13:28] to not that to put to put on hold taking

[13:32] it out of the GAB.

[13:34] >> That's my interpretation.

[13:35] >> So,

[13:36] >> of that letter, which I know I have here

[13:38] somewhere.

[13:39] >> And and I I would assume we would vote

[13:42] that for now we would take it out of the

[13:44] plan and out of what we're going to

[13:47] recommend. If they then decide and

[13:49] whenever they get to that point, maybe

[13:52] we can fit it into the plan because

[13:54] we're still not completed with totally

[13:57] formalizing the comprehensive plan or it

[13:59] becomes an amendment later. But it

[14:02] sounds like if we go through and move

[14:04] forward now, then

[14:08] I guess it doesn't make any difference

[14:09] because then they could always come back

[14:10] and ask us to take it out of the GA.

[14:12] >> Yeah. And that's what'll happen if you

[14:14] leave it in.

[14:15] >> I feel like I've talked to a lawyer. Uh,

[14:17] isn't that unfortunate?

[14:18] >> Yes.

[14:19] >> Um, but

[14:22] if you leave it in, they can come back

[14:25] and try and amend to take it out. If you

[14:28] take it out, they can come back and try

[14:31] to amend to put it back in.

[14:37] I am even though I know that we we need

[14:40] to resolve all of this issue ideally

[14:42] [clears throat] by whenever we all leave

[14:44] this building tonight.

[14:47] Even with that said, we're not ready to

[14:49] take this document tomorrow and send it

[14:52] out.

[14:54] So

[14:56] >> in my opinion would be that because your

[14:58] plan is still draft

[15:00] >> you're still using you're still

[15:02] technically underneath the old

[15:04] >> the old plan

[15:05] >> growth area boundary on the old plan.

[15:07] >> I I disagree with that because the old

[15:11] plan we we we made a vote during the

[15:15] time of writing this to change the GAB

[15:18] to have them taken out.

[15:20] >> You voted to recommend a change to

[15:22] >> GA. But I mean, no, I I don't mean to to

[15:25] dispute you. I agree with you, but that

[15:28] is not a completed removal. So, until we

[15:34] have a new plan, we are still operating

[15:37] under the old plan.

[15:39] >> Correct.

[15:40] >> Because there's you can't have no plan,

[15:42] >> right?

[15:43] >> Well, you could, but it'd be a mess.

[15:44] >> And that's that's the point that I was

[15:46] making. You're still technically

[15:47] operating under your old plan because

[15:49] this comprehensive plan update hasn't

[15:51] been fully ratified yet,

[15:53] >> but what we're asking to be fully

[15:56] ratified right now includes that change.

[16:00] >> Yeah. Yeah. I I'm too

[16:04] 67.

[16:07] Um,

[16:12] » but we're not

[16:14] quite there yet.

[16:17] >> Yeah. And you haven't even gone through

[16:19] a formal

[16:20] >> We haven't gone through the 60-day

[16:21] review.

[16:22] >> One of the things that concerns me is I

[16:24] don't think this is going to be

[16:25] resolved. I don't think that the Sners

[16:27] will know the answer to their question

[16:30] by the time we get to the point of

[16:32] saying, "Okay, legislative body, here's

[16:36] our public hearing. This is what we're

[16:38] going to do." But we will know

[16:41] once we get this to a point that it will

[16:44] go out for the 60-day review. We would

[16:47] then somewhat the clock could start and

[16:50] say I could reach out to Sners and say

[16:55] we we would need to know whether you

[16:57] want to

[16:59] >> I hate nats.

[17:00] >> Is that an agreement?

[17:01] >> No, that was a net and it's driving me

[17:02] crazy. Um

[17:04] >> but then we then the clock would be

[17:06] running. We could say we have until this

[17:07] time for you to decide.

[17:09] >> There will come a time in the not too

[17:11] distant future it is to be hoped.

[17:13] >> Yeah.

[17:14] >> Where they're going to have to we're

[17:16] going to have to fish or cut bait. But

[17:19] at this point, I don't know that like

[17:21] tonight, I don't really think there's

[17:23] anything we

[17:25] maybe even should

[17:28] do other than acknowledge their request

[17:30] and say that we'll we'll keep keep an

[17:34] open mind on that particular issue

[17:38] because the fact that we voted for it

[17:40] does not cast it in stone.

[17:42] >> So yeah, until it's cast in stone, it

[17:45] can be changed. understand what our

[17:46] recommendation is.

[17:48] >> What your recommendation is, but I don't

[17:50] think I don't know that you're quite

[17:52] there yet either.

[17:55] >> Don't don't try. I mean,

[17:57] >> we haven't sent it to your council

[17:58] formally yet.

[18:00] >> Agreed. But but we have agreed

[18:03] >> at least on that topic

[18:04] >> what we were going to recommend to the

[18:06] council. So you put it in the the plan

[18:09] as this is to be recommended to the

[18:11] council and maybe even called their

[18:13] attention to it and perhaps some other

[18:15] things in your cover letter saying

[18:18] here's the plan we created. Um this is

[18:21] the lawyer thing. Please pay particular

[18:23] attention to page 73 or whatever.

[18:27] >> Um

[18:29] and uh they can reach out. We all can

[18:32] reach out to the sners. They they won't

[18:34] have an answer because this is not going

[18:36] to be resolved by then.

[18:38] >> Okay.

[18:38] >> Um

[18:40] >> I'm going to do that.

[18:41] >> Has the council signed off on on those?

[18:43] >> No. No. They This is They don't get this

[18:46] piece yet until

[18:47] >> they know probably. I'm assuming that

[18:49] they know what has happened, but they we

[18:53] don't give it to them like a section at

[18:55] a time. They'll get the whole thing.

[18:57] Okay. as will anybody else who's

[18:59] reviewing it. The county, the whoever,

[19:02] Baltimore Regional Council, I don't

[19:03] think that's what they call themselves

[19:05] anymore, but

[19:05] >> BMC

[19:08] either way.

[19:09] >> All those folks.

[19:10] >> Yep.

[19:13] » [snorts]

[19:13] >> And who knows, you know, maybe by then

[19:15] they will e even if it isn't resolved,

[19:18] they may for their own reasons change

[19:21] their mind and either say

[19:24] pull it, you know, just pull our request

[19:27] at which point you acknowledge that

[19:29] they've pulled the request and uh or

[19:32] they may say go ahead on and we'll

[19:34] figure it out. There's just no way for

[19:35] me to predict what they're going to want

[19:37] to do. Leaving it as it is now in our

[19:42] recommended comprehensive plan

[19:46] doesn't preclude them from even if it

[19:48] went through with the 60-day period and

[19:50] the council adopted. They could always

[19:52] come back to us and

[19:53] >> they can always come back and ask for an

[19:55] amendment. If the plan is adopted with

[19:58] that those lots gone that haven't been

[20:01] said also the electeds the legislative

[20:04] body can say we really like your plan

[20:07] but for you know this section and we

[20:11] don't want the SN land to come out of

[20:13] our growth area boundary and the reason

[20:15] they would do that is because the Sners

[20:17] asked them to

[20:18] >> fair enough I don't mean that to sound

[20:20] like that that's in any way improper u

[20:23] but you are not the the final decision

[20:25] maker on this. As you all know,

[20:28] >> we are the final decision maker on what

[20:30] we want to recommend.

[20:31] >> You send to them.

[20:32] >> Yes. And it doesn't sound to me like

[20:35] there's any real need

[20:38] to go and change what we're

[20:40] recommending. We've always

[20:42] need to change what you're recommending

[20:44] at this point based on that letter

[20:46] saying, "Please put it on hold." Because

[20:48] we're still on hold. We haven't gotten

[20:51] to the progress point yet. If it had

[20:54] been affirmed from them, we would like

[20:55] to have that withdrawn. That might have

[20:58] been a different story then if they said

[21:00] >> there's a blown out in there. I don't

[21:01] know what you mean.

[21:03] >> Said if the stators had come to us and

[21:05] said not say put it on hold. No, we

[21:08] changed our mind. We don't want to have

[21:10] you pull that out.

[21:10] >> And then I would recommend that you

[21:12] voted to [cough] that you

[21:13] [clears throat] voted to include it. But

[21:15] then we come back to Ethan's point. It's

[21:18] like I've got the plan. I don't have to

[21:22] write down that I'm asking you not to

[21:23] change the plan because the plan is

[21:25] still good.

[21:27] So all you would have to do is not

[21:29] change it. Now that having been said,

[21:31] you know me, I like I like history. I

[21:35] want I don't I don't want somebody 10

[21:37] years from now saying, "Well, it came

[21:38] out and then I went back in and I don't

[21:39] know why and with luck I will be retired

[21:42] by then or dead." So um and no one will

[21:46] know

[21:47] >> the difference.

[21:48] that's entirely likely

[21:49] also

[21:51] Yeah. All right. So, that was a whole

[21:54] bunch of We're not going to do anything

[21:55] right now.

[21:56] >> There you go. That's all that's that's a

[21:58] answer for you.

[22:00] >> And planner's answer for you.

[22:03] >> Now, there's three different parcels

[22:04] here.

[22:05] >> Yeah.

[22:05] >> So, right now, they want all three taken

[22:07] back out.

[22:08] >> That's my understanding.

[22:09] >> So, what happens when they come back and

[22:10] they we already have it for the three

[22:12] and they only want to take one parcel.

[22:16] >> Then I think we're in the same same

[22:18] boat. We just

[22:20] do a new vote that says this is what we

[22:23] voted for and on request from the

[22:25] applicant we've decided to take two out

[22:28] and leave one in or whatever it is. So

[22:31] long as it's done at this level, so long

[22:33] as it's done before it goes to the

[22:35] legislative body, I think, you know, you

[22:38] can make all kinds of changes and not even just on that with with the far

[22:43] with just regular text so long as it

[22:46] hasn't gone to them yet for action

[22:51] because when it comes back from 60-day

[22:53] review, I would be willing to bet for

[22:55] the use of my right arm that it that

[22:57] review is not going to say, "Gee, this

[22:59] is great. We don't have a thing to say.

[23:02] I've never seen that. I would like that,

[23:04] but I've never seen it. So, there's

[23:07] going to be more changes made.

[23:08] >> This is not an unprecedented

[23:11] >> situation. I mean, even the the agenda

[23:14] item that I have in Bridg's council

[23:16] meeting has to do this evening with a

[23:20] press application on a parcel that had

[23:22] come out of the growth area boundary

[23:24] that some of it's still within the

[23:25] growth area boundary. So you know there

[23:27] sounds

[23:27] >> it's a very you know there's very you

[23:30] know these things happen in the other um

[23:33] >> you know alongside and adjacent to the

[23:35] other corporate limits and growth area

[23:37] other municipalities within the county.

[23:38] >> Sure.

[23:41] » I don't have anything else for county

[23:43] update.

[23:45] >> Thank you guys.

[23:50] » Yeah. I am not sure exactly how it

[23:52] slides in there,

[23:54] >> but if it doesn't fall out, that's how.

[23:57] >> Perfect.

[23:58] >> All right. So, that effectively also

[24:01] takes care of what was on the agenda is

[24:03] our fifth item, the Snaker property

[24:05] update. So, let's go back to the former

[24:10] at Property. [clears throat]

[24:12] Terry, you're up.

[24:15] >> So, I know that

[24:17] >> there's the top three stages.

[24:21] The top three pages is is what I was in.

[24:26] >> I got bored, too.

[24:27] >> Oh, okay. Oh, okay. [clears throat]

[24:37] >> Thank you.

[24:42] >> You want you guys?

[24:44] [snorts]

[24:46] [clears throat]

[24:48] >> Yeah. I had actually gotten the one that

[24:51] came through the email. So, if you're

[24:52] shy one,

[24:54] >> I think he's revised something

[24:58] more.

[24:59] >> He's adding more to it.

[25:01] >> I got one right here.

[25:02] >> I'm going to leave this one here in case

[25:04] anybody wants it.

[25:07] >> Oh, thank you, Drew.

[25:11] » Sorry about that.

[25:14] >> All right. So,

[25:17] if everybody reviewed the first three

[25:19] pages, it's kind of a letter that we put

[25:22] together just explaining what we're

[25:25] trying to do and where we find that we

[25:27] need variances. And then the third page

[25:30] was uh a drawing that we did as far as

[25:34] like the Christmas wish list of all park

[25:36] in there. So, what I added was a fourth

[25:40] drawing. The fourth drawing

[25:43] basically shows

[25:46] uh a parking lot that we derived that

[25:50] would allow us to buy out and make alley

[25:54] work with only three variances from the

[25:59] zoning. And the variances on the fourth

[26:03] uh page

[26:05] would be 1T off the property line on the

[26:08] north side, one foot off the property

[26:10] line on the west side, and to continue

[26:14] to back out on order street as it always

[26:17] has been. So, as far as the zoning issue

[26:22] and change of use, we're only asking for

[26:24] four things, those four items, um, to

[26:28] make it work, uh, with a total of

[26:32] [snorts]

[26:33] 39 parking spots, 18 of which we secured

[26:37] with New Wor Company at the carinal

[26:40] ground. So, at 39 spots, we exceed if we

[26:45] [clears throat] only are on the first

[26:46] floor of the building. And according

[26:48] what I read, 2700 square foot, 27 spots.

[26:54] So we exceed what we need there. But the

[26:58] picture that I have that I sent out to

[27:00] everybody, that would be if we could

[27:04] expand, come out on Alley, make it one

[27:07] through one way through our parking lot.

[27:10] Uh as you look down going uh south,

[27:13] you'll see two spots. that says u this

[27:16] is the one I sent out that says double

[27:18] mark because we have two employees there

[27:20] and then we always have a spot for

[27:22] either me and Joe and Lisa to pull in

[27:26] behind

[27:27] >> are you working on the first

[27:29] >> I'm going back on the first one first

[27:31] >> I'm back on the first

[27:35] so [clears throat] I went to the county

[27:38] I met with Jenn

[27:41] and prior to buying the property what I

[27:43] needed to know was whether the county

[27:46] would see it as it is right now, not

[27:50] look into past or whatever because

[27:53] there's like a gray area within the

[27:54] county on disturbance. All right, I got

[27:57] 5,000 square ft of disturbance, 5,000

[28:01] square ft impervious area is what I felt

[28:04] that we could have uh once we bought

[28:08] out. So, let me verify that and uh I

[28:12] have a letter from the county stating

[28:14] that they're taking it as it is right

[28:17] now. So, I'm not going to be right at

[28:20] 5,000 square ft, but I that is the rules

[28:22] of the land. It's in your town, it's in

[28:24] the county. So, non-pervious area, we

[28:29] have to look at everything we're doing.

[28:30] Our sidewalks, pavers, anything adds to

[28:33] that non-pervious area. So, when I put

[28:37] this together, [clears throat]

[28:40] prior to going south downside,

[28:43] I was somewhere under 4,000 square ft.

[28:46] And what I tried to make clear in the

[28:50] letter was that maybe we don't get all

[28:53] six spots down that side. Maybe we only

[28:55] get four, maybe we only get five. That

[28:58] is going to be determined by John Lman

[29:02] went out. We have good survey. Uh but

[29:05] John went out and he done an

[29:08] announcement on everything. Every

[29:09] everything that is nonpurpose right now

[29:12] and then we will design it. There's

[29:14] areas that are non various that were

[29:17] taken out which we can be credited for.

[29:20] There's some asphalt that I don't need

[29:22] here or there. Um, so that that's I

[29:26] don't know how everybody here I don't

[29:29] know how this goes from here to council

[29:32] and everything else, but let me be known

[29:36] the area of the rightway or I want I

[29:38] don't want to say right away where we're

[29:40] asking to come off of your lane. We're

[29:44] basically asking for a rightway and us

[29:47] pay that right away. that will be in our

[29:51] 5,000 ft uh our 5,000 ft uh square foot

[29:55] count. Uh but basically if the town of

[30:01] New Windsor would not allow us to do

[30:03] that, it's reflected in the next drawing

[30:07] which I go from 49 spots down to 39. So

[30:10] I have to have a turn around at the end

[30:13] and then I only get two park spots for

[30:16] the employees. Um, and and there's where

[30:20] I'm at, Lauren Party. But I only ask

[30:23] this council for three variances. One,

[30:27] the change of use. Uh, that's not really

[30:29] a variance, but it's a change of use.

[30:31] But the variances I'm asking for is one

[30:34] foot off the north line, one foot off

[30:37] the west line, and to continue

[30:40] connected,

[30:42] and you're not allowed to back out onto

[30:44] a street. So, we've always backed that

[30:47] on the street. So, I don't know whether

[30:49] that applies, but basically I'm truly

[30:51] asking for two variances to be one foot

[30:53] off the lines,

[30:56] but however this goes from here goes to

[30:59] the council. if we can get the park and come off gear and go around here. If

[31:06] there's any concerns with the area that

[31:10] you guys maintain as far as the um you

[31:13] know, your stock piles and your

[31:14] dumpsters and so forth. I mean, there's

[31:16] things we can do. There's things that we

[31:18] can do with fencing. There's a lot of

[31:20] things we can do to help out. But for us

[31:23] to go upstairs,

[31:26] we need this part. Right now, as I try

[31:29] to explain the letter, we can do that

[31:32] downstairs at 75 people, eight

[31:35] employees. You got what it rolls down

[31:36] to. Uh, and we'll do that and get that

[31:40] with that parking as far as sheet to go

[31:44] upstairs. We know through building from

[31:47] this side of town, we got an elevator.

[31:49] Well, I won't say an elevator. It's

[31:50] called ADA lift. The big difference

[31:53] moneywise at least. Uh, and then we need

[31:57] to sprinkle the entire building.

[31:59] We've looked at those budget numbers and

[32:02] they kind of can work into our budget,

[32:05] but we still have to do a flow test with

[32:07] Wayne to make sure that the flow is

[32:09] there on that 4-in main coming down that

[32:12] street. So, that would be the very last

[32:14] thing that would be done

[32:17] to achieve the utilization of the

[32:20] upstairs. and they would be more so like

[32:23] private rooms where somebody would rent

[32:25] it for a family of 12 people or 15

[32:27] people or whatever the room would

[32:29] accommodate.

[32:31] Um

[32:33] I um

[32:36] the other thing I put in the letter was

[32:38] if you go to the the next page after

[32:42] that

[32:44] if you look at the overview you'll see I

[32:47] point out it's a bad my prime run at me

[32:50] so I apologize. Uh but I point out where

[32:53] the

[32:55] fire company was working on the 18

[32:57] spots. I point out that there at the

[33:02] tennis courts, we can get, you know, 6 7

[33:05] 8 nine more spaces there. We would pay

[33:08] for the engineering and we would pay to

[33:11] go into the county to get those spots

[33:14] and consider that area as a municipal

[33:17] parking lot that anybody can park on. We

[33:20] would put signage up on the floor

[33:21] existing spots that no athlete house

[33:26] people use that so somebody would never

[33:28] cut somebody off as far as the play test

[33:32] on a Saturday afternoon if we were busy

[33:35] there. But you have that and then down

[33:37] below after meeting with uh Janet and

[33:41] Meer, I know that the county is in the

[33:45] process of I don't want to say a

[33:47] regional bond, but whatever you want to

[33:48] call it, an overall bond for Windsor

[33:51] that's down at the bottom there off to

[33:54] the left of Gear Lake. They're getting,

[33:57] according [clears throat] to Janet Meer,

[34:00] they're getting a new engineer on that

[34:03] and maybe that's three years out. Well,

[34:06] if that was 3 years out, it would allow

[34:09] us to maybe buy into that pond. So, they

[34:14] calculate what, you know, if the pond's

[34:16] a million dollars and there's a million

[34:18] cubic feet of nonous area, that's a

[34:21] dollar uh cubic foot or square foot,

[34:24] however they figure it. But we could buy

[34:26] into that pond and put parking down

[34:28] there on the lower portion of our

[34:30] property and or maybe put parking on

[34:33] your property. Okay. So, there's there's

[34:38] many ways of looking at it. Another

[34:40] thing we looked at, if you look at the

[34:41] last color picture,

[34:44] if you look at that little garage next

[34:46] to the salt deck, the garage set on our

[34:49] property, we build a road straight

[34:51] through into those tennis courts and

[34:53] make a loop all the way around in there

[34:55] if that would be of any use. All I'm

[34:57] saying, I guess, is there's things that

[34:59] we're willing to do uh to get to the end

[35:04] of the line as far as having enough

[35:07] parking. And if it takes parking and

[35:09] making municipal lots and stuff like

[35:11] that, we're willing to do that because

[35:13] we want something uh I thought for

[35:16] everybody here, but

[35:18] we we don't want a small thing here. We

[35:20] want something that's going to

[35:22] accommodate enough people where people

[35:25] doesn't have to walk any longer than

[35:26] they have to walk. As we're in there in

[35:29] the ladder, you know, we can paint all

[35:33] the way from our spot all the way down

[35:35] to the cargo grounds. That street's 24

[35:38] foot wide. We could pay a 4ft wide

[35:40] swipe. But if we had permission to run a

[35:43] golf cart, if we were doing really well

[35:44] and we just jockey some people down

[35:46] there, we could do that. I would never

[35:48] do that in Union Bridge at the flood

[35:51] zone. Always wanted to do that in Union

[35:53] Ridge, but I I did not want the

[35:55] liability across in 75,

[35:57] >> right?

[35:58] >> Uh that and we worked with the state to

[36:00] try to get a crosswalk there. There was

[36:02] no way I was ever going to get across.

[36:03] Everybody was complaining that, you

[36:05] know, get a crosswalk. There was no way

[36:07] the state was going to give us a

[36:08] crosswalk there. You had to go to the

[36:10] first intersection.

[36:12] >> So here,

[36:14] I don't know. I've only been down there

[36:15] 4 weeks. I don't see anybody but a guy

[36:17] that comes and inspects the uh the

[36:21] treatment plant down there once a day

[36:23] and then I see somebody every now and

[36:25] then do

[36:27] or something they call out. But I don't

[36:30] know the process, but I know there's a

[36:32] chicken and egg part of this. You know,

[36:34] I know that I need to submit a drawing

[36:36] to the county and that count that

[36:38] drawing comes back to you guys, but I

[36:41] really felt it's necessary to have the

[36:43] drawing that's going to suit you more

[36:45] than the county.

[36:46] >> Yeah, we are more important

[36:47] >> in this process. We are more important.

[36:49] >> You are the county is going to look at

[36:51] it from a fire aspect. Other than that,

[36:54] there's nothing really that they can say

[36:58] uh right or wrong to it. It's all pulls

[37:00] back to New Wor. So, it's more important

[37:03] that I have a concept here that I get

[37:06] John with RDF to draw that is right that

[37:08] when it gets submitted, we don't kick it

[37:11] around because I know it's going to be

[37:12] six, seven months getting through the C.

[37:14] We don't plan our until next September.

[37:16] But you put us now six or seven months

[37:19] before we can even start on our outside

[37:22] lots. Now you're now you're looking into

[37:24] May. Time just moves awful fast. I know

[37:27] the internal work we'll be ready to

[37:30] submit those drawings very soon from our

[37:33] architect and so forth. Uh you know

[37:36] that's a six week process. That's

[37:38] nothing. but to get uh to get what we

[37:42] need to spend that money. Let's just say

[37:45] that the town wasn't going to go along

[37:47] with anything. Well, then we're not

[37:49] going to spend the money in the building

[37:50] and make a restaurant. We'll keep it as

[37:52] a bed and breakfast and a cafe or just a

[37:55] whole second home for me and Beth and

[37:57] Joe.

[38:00] Um so big kitchen is a big kitchen. We

[38:04] can feed the time. Um, so that chicken

[38:07] and egg, I just don't know how to deal

[38:09] with it within New Wor that we have

[38:13] things right. And I fully feel that I

[38:17] understand that you guys are the ones,

[38:20] guys, ladies are the ones that approve

[38:23] those variances.

[38:25] But how does it work as far as someone

[38:28] looking for what we're asking to come in

[38:31] as a rightaway, not purchase the ground,

[38:34] but a rightaway off of gear? We already

[38:36] go over New Windsor property of 5 ft on

[38:40] the east side as we enter our parking

[38:42] spot. So there's not much difference in

[38:44] the concept. It's um it's the access.

[38:48] So, I'm I'm all ears for any help that

[38:53] you can give us to go in the right

[38:55] direction cuz you know we put this all

[38:57] in front of you what two months ago I

[39:00] guess but it's all worked out well.

[39:03] We're excited.

[39:05] Is there anything you got to say? You

[39:07] know, I think you cover [laughter] that.

[39:10] >> I'm good.

[39:12] >> She's got her magnolia. She's done.

[39:14] >> I have a question.

[39:16] >> Maybe I'll go off rack on that. She's

[39:18] not the magnolia [laughter]

[39:20] tree.

[39:21] >> That's what the magnolia trees sing.

[39:23] >> I know. I know.

[39:24] >> Magnolia trees.

[39:26] >> So there's there's so many ways to get

[39:28] parking. And if it wasn't a 5,000 square

[39:31] foot restriction and I mean that's the

[39:34] toughest restriction of any state any

[39:38] state.

[39:40] >> I mean it's

[39:40] >> that's for storm water management.

[39:42] That's right.

[39:42] >> Storm water management.

[39:43] >> And 5,000 square ft is so minute. Uh but

[39:48] I I have a letter from me stating that

[39:53] what we have there we build upon the way

[39:56] it is right there. They reviewed all the

[39:58] permits that the pierces pulled.

[40:01] Everything was done right. There's never

[40:03] been any problems. Therefore, because

[40:06] for me that day it it couldn't be gray.

[40:09] It had to be black or white. If it was

[40:11] white, we we just didn't go any further

[40:13] on the project. And no hard feelings. it

[40:15] just we move on. If it was black, then

[40:18] we knew we could move forward with the

[40:20] project

[40:22] and uh and take it for what it's worth

[40:25] as far as as we go along and what we can

[40:27] get as we go along. The second part of

[40:30] it was securing the 18 spots with uh the

[40:33] fire company. If we didn't do that, we

[40:35] couldn't help. So, you know, that we

[40:38] we've worked the lease out with them. It

[40:40] isn't a handshake. We've worked the

[40:42] lease out with them. We're paying for

[40:44] that usage. We're not getting it free,

[40:47] but we have something for three years.

[40:49] And no one knows three years from now.

[40:52] Maybe they'll open up things down below.

[40:54] But the house can only hold so many

[40:56] people. We figure 75 downstairs because

[41:00] it's a very laid-back atmosphere. We're

[41:02] looking for we're not looking for

[41:03] everybody to be back to back in chairs.

[41:05] This is going to be one dining room. The

[41:07] other rooms that have couches, arm

[41:09] chairs, u coffee tables, 70 upstairs,

[41:13] Joe, what do we say? 50 people maybe max

[41:16] >> max 50 people. So, we're only looking at

[41:18] a venue that holds 125. So, you say,

[41:21] okay, 49 spots, that's pretty good. But

[41:25] we we want to do [clears throat] summer

[41:28] things. I don't you whether it's Pimnico

[41:31] race and everybody wears big hats and

[41:33] dresses, whatever. I'm just throwing

[41:35] that out there. But we want big events

[41:38] and we know that we can ask permission

[41:40] maybe from the fire company to utilize

[41:42] their parking lot if they didn't have

[41:44] anything going on for that one day. But

[41:46] the more spots that we can get on site

[41:50] um the better the better we do and the

[41:53] more we can grow those events

[41:57] 150 I mean 125 is one thing plus your

[42:00] employees that's you know eight on

[42:02] downstairs you need another two to three

[42:04] upstairs so you're 11 uh so you got to

[42:07] count those in two so it's 53 additional

[42:10] but the more parking we can get the more

[42:13] successful I feel that we can be

[42:15] >> let me If I may, let me ask you a couple

[42:17] of questions to make sure I'm clear.

[42:19] >> This body can, as part of your site plan

[42:23] approval, which we're not really at yet,

[42:26] but we're semi,

[42:28] has the legal authority to to if they

[42:30] want to approve what is a tantamount to

[42:33] a variance by approving your site plan

[42:36] so that you're a foot off, 2 feet off,

[42:39] wherever you have to be, whichever

[42:40] lines. What this body does not have the

[42:43] ex the ability to do is to say

[42:48] standing alone,

[42:50] okay, you can come all the way through

[42:51] and come up gear lane.

[42:53] >> That's council.

[42:54] >> That's going to be the council.

[42:56] >> And we can you use some of the council's

[42:59] Earth Town's property for parking.

[43:02] That's going to be part of the council.

[43:04] >> So, we can do what we can do. What I

[43:09] what you might need to do and I

[43:12] apologize to you for not knowing this

[43:13] off top my head

[43:18] if

[43:20] the code authorizes it. I think it

[43:23] might. I know the county does and we

[43:25] copy a lot of the county stuff

[43:28] has provisions that say with formal

[43:32] agreement

[43:34] a development can use off-site parking

[43:38] you're gold

[43:40] you bring into the council you bring

[43:42] into this body this is the number of

[43:45] parking spaces we need to get some of

[43:47] them here some of them here some of them

[43:48] in the fire hall some of them on town

[43:51] property this group cannot agree to let

[43:54] you do that on town property. The

[43:56] electeds have to let you do that on town

[43:59] property. And that's why you've got this

[44:01] little weird funky thing. Appreciate you

[44:03] coming because so many people just show

[44:05] up and then get mad when nobody's heard

[44:07] of them. So everybody here is very aware

[44:09] of what it is you want to do,

[44:11] >> but they can do it all.

[44:13] >> Let's put it this way. If we take if we

[44:16] take the Ford plan, if we take the Ford

[44:18] plan,

[44:20] >> which one is that?

[44:21] >> The port plan.

[44:24] >> Oh, okay.

[44:25] >> Now, what you're telling me is the port

[44:27] plan, this body could approve the port

[44:30] plan because I'm not asking for any

[44:33] right away. I'm not asking for a year.

[44:35] I'm keeping everything on our site. And

[44:39] in our initial, and I don't have that

[44:41] piece of paper, but in our initial

[44:44] meetings, I found a stipulation in Carol

[44:46] County that if you're within 500 ft of

[44:49] municipal or contracted parking, there

[44:52] is a 5-22,

[44:54] whatever, that would relinquish the the

[44:58] fact that you would have to have if your

[45:01] body says I need 27 spots. Okay,

[45:06] >> that goes toward the count and I end up

[45:09] with 39.

[45:10] >> I don't think that's necessarily

[45:11] applicable in the town though. Just

[45:14] because it is a county law does not mean

[45:16] it's applicable in the town.

[45:18] >> Understood. Yeah, understood.

[45:19] >> So, there are plenty of county laws that

[45:21] are applicable in the town, but I don't

[45:24] think parking is one of them. down 5,000

[45:27] ft.

[45:28] >> When there isn't or

[45:31] >> No, no, I know where you're going with

[45:32] that. If we're silent, they win.

[45:36] >> Excuse me.

[45:36] >> If if our law doesn't have anything that

[45:39] addresses the issue

[45:40] >> and the county does.

[45:42] >> Um I know that they win, but you kind of

[45:45] you review it. And uh but but so that

[45:48] one stipulation there has got to go to

[45:50] the council no matter

[45:51] >> well the other what I was about to say

[45:53] was the fact that it let's just say

[45:57] let's say if it is not in the code now

[46:01] >> that does not mean that it cannot be put

[46:03] in the code.

[46:04] >> Understood.

[46:05] >> So and we wait it doesn't take all that

[46:07] long unless there's some major outcry

[46:10] about parking on water street which I I

[46:13] think is a little unlikely but you never

[46:15] know. Um,

[46:16] >> what do you mean parking or

[46:18] >> Well, not I mean I just Wall Street was

[46:19] the name that I saw. Parking downtown.

[46:22] Parking way down. People complain so

[46:24] much about, you know, we can't park on

[46:25] High Street. I have to walk, you know,

[46:27] like a half a block. Um, but

[46:29] >> No, you mean parking down.

[46:31] >> Yeah. No, parking where you are.

[46:33] Everywhere down there for your project.

[46:36] >> Okay.

[46:37] >> You need more parking.

[46:38] >> Yes.

[46:39] >> All right. But it's it it feels like

[46:42] it's easy enough for you to get the

[46:43] parking.

[46:44] >> Yes. with you know there's steps that

[46:46] have to be done. I don't think this

[46:48] group can do all of those steps. We can

[46:50] do some of those steps but not all of

[46:52] them. So if a zoning if a zoning require

[46:55] if the zoning law needs to be changed to

[46:58] allow offsite parking

[47:01] for your project

[47:02] >> it starts it starts here

[47:04] >> and gets approved by the council

[47:07] >> because you're making a new

[47:08] >> as as legislation.

[47:09] >> All right. Uh those all right. So those

[47:12] meetings when when I'm sorry [laughter]

[47:16] when did those meetings occur? What

[47:19] >> when do those meetings?

[47:20] >> Well, council meets the first Wednesday and the third Monday

[47:25] of every month.

[47:27] >> There's an agenda and they have to be

[47:29] notified in advance and know what's

[47:31] going on. I guess I guess what I guess

[47:35] what I need to know is do I tell John to

[47:40] stop what he's doing and not submit to

[47:42] the county which we already know it's

[47:45] going to be 6 months.

[47:46] >> I wouldn't I wouldn't take that route if

[47:48] I could avoid that route.

[47:49] >> All right. So,

[47:50] >> but we need to know what John Leman is

[47:52] sending to the county.

[47:54] >> Well, that's just it. that say either A

[47:55] or B in the sheet number three that got

[47:58] an email

[48:00] >> that was our Christmas list

[48:02] >> or the I don't want to say the what what

[48:08] the fourth page allows us to open and

[48:12] allows us in our feelings to serve 75

[48:16] people with age. All right, not go

[48:19] upstairs. Not spend all the money to go

[48:21] upstairs because um we just

[48:27] >> we won't have the amount of bargain

[48:30] parking here. So um the flip side of

[48:33] that though is if you submit with three

[48:36] page three

[48:38] and then you go through the various

[48:41] discussions and ascertain that you can

[48:44] get additional parking. You got to come

[48:46] back. You got to do an amended site

[48:48] plan. You've got to do more more things.

[48:51] You got to pay John Leman again. Um, I

[48:54] mean, not that John wouldn't be more

[48:56] than happy to take your money. Um,

[48:59] >> so if these issues can be resolved

[49:04] preliminarily, you're ahead of the game

[49:06] and then everybody knows what you're

[49:07] working with.

[49:10] >> You're saying if you submit if you

[49:12] submit [laughter] on page three,

[49:14] >> submit it.

[49:15] We love it because it,

[49:18] correct me if I'm wrong, but if I submit

[49:21] it, the county does not care whether I'm

[49:25] in your right away or not.

[49:26] >> No,

[49:27] >> it's you that care.

[49:28] >> Yeah, we care.

[49:29] >> All right. So, if you if if the council

[49:33] rejects that, okay, and they go back to

[49:37] plan four, because I'm not asking

[49:40] anything of the town other than one foot

[49:42] and one foot. I'm very I'm supposed to

[49:45] be

[49:46] No, I'm I'm I'm the next sheet. The next

[49:49] sheet. I don't ask anything of the town

[49:51] other than I never go on your property.

[49:55] All I do is I stay one foot where it's

[49:58] supposed to be 5 foot on two property

[50:00] lines and I continue to back out on the

[50:03] street that we always or someone always

[50:06] had. So for me, that's our slam dunk.

[50:10] I mean, that's that's that was enough

[50:12] for me that we talked.

[50:14] Um

[50:16] but I you know just in conversations and

[50:19] thought process I thought I'd lay this

[50:22] concept on something. I lose you know

[50:25] the more parking and this is the last

[50:27] thing I'll say about it.

[50:30] >> The the more parking we get and I wrote

[50:33] this in the letter. I might not take

[50:35] half the garage away. I might only take

[50:37] 12, 13 ft off for one parallel parking

[50:40] spot because the garage has so much

[50:43] potential going back and parking. Well,

[50:46] we dream of all these things we can do

[50:48] in the garage as you know antique shops

[50:51] this this all to go with the restaurant

[50:55] but then it needs additional market

[50:58] general market and that's one parking

[51:02] spot per 30 square ft.

[51:06] the plan and that's why I put the plan

[51:09] together the way it was at 49 spots. I

[51:12] think I get I get it all at 49 spots. Um

[51:17] so

[51:19] even losing two and keeping that

[51:21] building a little bit bigger. I mean I

[51:23] would tear up that building down. I'd

[51:25] tear the whole building down took it.

[51:27] Yeah. But the more we start looking at

[51:29] the garage, we're like in a Vessa's

[51:31] antique shop. You know, we look at this,

[51:33] we look at that. There's so many things

[51:35] that can be utilized there. Little

[51:36] coffee shop that's open hours before the

[51:40] athlete cuz I would tell you from my

[51:42] standpoint, we're thinking of Vic. We

[51:44] ain't think it's small here.

[51:46] >> That is your way.

[51:48] [clears throat]

[51:50] >> Well, there's a lot there's a lot of

[51:51] foot traffic around the house during the

[51:53] day that I wasn't aware of. I've always

[51:55] just trimming through town for 28 years

[51:57] of work.

[51:58] >> Yeah.

[51:58] >> But it's very nice to see people out

[52:00] walking dogs and pushing babies,

[52:02] strolling around. There's

[52:05] >> walking around here.

[52:06] >> More pedestrian traffic than vehicular

[52:09] traffic.

[52:10] >> A lot of pickle ball players.

[52:12] >> Oh, there's a lot of pickle ball

[52:14] players. Certainly.

[52:15] >> Very serious event over there.

[52:18] So for us, you know, we you know what we

[52:22] did was we went in and we cleaned up the

[52:25] outside decorated for fall and you know,

[52:30] >> so we're done till the spring. uh will

[52:33] be working inside, but our fine line

[52:37] where where I have a hard time drawing

[52:40] the fine line is you're you're not at to

[52:43] go in and start spending all this money

[52:46] on the inside if you're not going to get

[52:48] home with the 75 people. I mean, it it's

[52:52] just that simple because there's a lot

[52:54] of money going to get spent inside this

[52:55] building.

[52:55] >> Oh, yeah, man.

[52:58] >> I said what I had to say.

[53:01] So, I mean, Dave's on the council. I

[53:03] don't know what

[53:04] >> Okay, so when I received the the

[53:07] drawings, um I know that that most of

[53:10] you guys you you probably can't you

[53:12] know, what do you do? Is it is the town

[53:14] interested in letting there be a right

[53:17] of way there and parking along that

[53:19] side, right? Uh, in the past the town

[53:22] Gary and Wayne have pretty much not

[53:26] liked Gear Lane being an open road,

[53:29] right? They've talked about closing the

[53:31] gate even uh to the town citizens who

[53:34] want to bring their stuff in. You know,

[53:35] it's only open when when we're there,

[53:37] right? So, I called Gary U because I

[53:41] figured you guys might swivel your head

[53:42] and look at me. Hey, what's the town

[53:43] council thinking about that? and and um

[53:48] you know so as you know that garage up

[53:51] at the top where the rightway is that's

[53:52] our salt barn right so that's

[53:56] >> this drawing

[53:56] >> that's the that's the salt barn

[53:58] >> first one in here

[54:00] >> and um you know that needs to not be

[54:05] impeded right and so that rightway

[54:08] coming through there um there's not a

[54:11] lot of room there but it it certainly it certainly can work, right? So, we

[54:16] have those issues. Um, we have issues

[54:20] with the fact that we've been thinking

[54:24] about doing something down there at Gear

[54:26] Lane to redo that whole area. We've

[54:28] already spent some money to have um that

[54:32] laid out a little different, but but

[54:34] during that time, Gary and Wayne started

[54:36] looking at some additional properties,

[54:38] and so that kind of got put on hold.

[54:40] those additional properties may be

[54:42] outside the the the budget uh that that

[54:45] we have to spend on that. So I think

[54:47] there Gary's maybe swiveling a little

[54:50] bit now thinking that maybe we need to

[54:53] go back to thinking about relaying out

[54:56] that area down there. If we relay out

[54:59] that area down there, there's certainly

[55:01] potential to make this rightway area

[55:05] through their work and still keep the

[55:08] public works facility I don't want to

[55:11] say quarantined off, but you know what

[55:13] would happen? There's a lot of just

[55:15] gravel lot down there and if if Jerry's

[55:18] place Jerry Joe's place started really

[55:21] people could just go down there and park

[55:22] anywhere, right? So something would have

[55:25] to happen. and we'd have to have some

[55:27] kind of fences. We'd have to do some

[55:29] something that that all could happen,

[55:31] right? And and so I had that

[55:34] conversation with Gary and he was like,

[55:35] "Well, yes, we all that can happen. That

[55:39] is probably not a showstopper for this

[55:41] project. We can do something down there

[55:43] to make things work for for all of

[55:46] this." Um, so I I tried to do a

[55:49] preemptive on that with with the town

[55:51] council, but uh with with the town

[55:54] staff, but as as Michelle says, um you

[55:58] know, that decision, I'm only one voice

[56:00] on the on the town council, so the rest

[56:03] of the people would have to hear that.

[56:05] They're going to need to hear from from

[56:07] Gary and and Wayne as well to ensure

[56:11] that doing that kind of thing down there

[56:15] does not um mess up any future thoughts

[56:18] of what they're they're doing with that

[56:20] pro that property down there. um the

[56:24] other things that you know

[56:27] foot off the property line

[56:29] you know we can make that decision and I

[56:31] don't see that I personally don't see

[56:33] that as a big deal at all if we decide

[56:35] that having that as a municipal lot over

[56:37] there and doing some that's not a a big

[56:40] deal either the only area that I feel is

[56:44] a gray area is that cut through and that

[56:47] additional parking down the side and I

[56:50] think it would be nice maybe if we heard

[56:53] from Gary and and um I'll say the town

[56:57] staff to say that yes, they would

[57:00] consider uh doing that um as part of or

[57:06] reconfiguring the the whole gear lane

[57:09] facility down there that that would fit

[57:11] into the future plans. So

[57:13] >> I I have an idea

[57:16] speaking with what you're saying.

[57:19] Why not I go

[57:22] with John and go with the drawing? We we

[57:25] know the one foot isn't too much to ask

[57:28] for. All right. And I think you guys

[57:31] when you look at the code of Carol

[57:32] County and us having the 18, I think

[57:35] that that shouldn't be problematic. All

[57:37] right.

[57:38] >> The biggest problem is access to gear.

[57:41] >> Why do you not go through the drawing

[57:44] with sheet number four? The four sheet.

[57:47] Which one are you? What are you 20

[57:50] >> without the without the cut through?

[57:54] >> All right.

[57:54] >> This one where you have to turn around.

[57:56] >> Not the one with colors.

[57:57] >> I submit through the county this way.

[58:00] All right. And we go through the county.

[58:05] You're going to get it and let's hope it

[58:08] gets approved and it gets through the

[58:10] county to come back and go out on year.

[58:14] And this is just me speaking here. Let's

[58:16] go out on here and pick up those other

[58:19] margin spots [clears throat] down there.

[58:20] If I work that out in you guys, I don't

[58:24] think about the county has anything to

[58:25] do with that as long as I don't go over

[58:27] 5,000 miles.

[58:29] >> The county wouldn't. You'd probably need

[58:31] assuming you have an approved site plan

[58:32] by that point.

[58:34] >> I'm

[58:34] >> You might need to amend the site.

[58:36] >> Say I get my approved site plan. This

[58:38] page right here, the one that's not

[58:40] >> the black one. All right. That means you

[58:43] guys got to be the variance of one foot

[58:45] on the north, one foot on the west, and

[58:48] you got to accept the fact that we're

[58:50] going to park 18 spots at fire. I go to

[58:53] the [clears throat]

[58:55] he comes to you. We go through the

[58:56] process and at the same time you be

[59:00] talking to Gary. Let's let's think of

[59:02] what else because I had John do the

[59:04] complete of the tennis courts. All

[59:07] right, let's say

[59:09] here's where sticky with the county. And

[59:14] when I brought up the tennis courts with

[59:16] me and Janet,

[59:20] we can get those spots. We could even

[59:22] connect and be under 5,000 on that

[59:26] property. But I don't know where they

[59:29] will see that property in the stage like

[59:32] are we starting from beginning there or

[59:34] with everything cuz that's one big

[59:36] parcel with everything that has been

[59:40] done whether they would accept that. But

[59:42] all I'm getting at is we will have an

[59:45] approved drawing that opens us for

[59:47] business

[59:49] and then we're open for that. I'll put a

[59:52] drawing in front of you of the tennis

[59:54] courts something John draws up then the

[59:57] deal is only between you got you ladies

[1:00:02] and guys first

[1:00:04] council and I get that whole process but

[1:00:07] I see no reason the county has to be

[1:00:10] involved in anything other than I would

[1:00:13] go to Janet Demire with that drawing

[1:00:17] representing myself but you know it's

[1:00:20] kind of a gray area there. But I would

[1:00:22] say this is what I'd like to do to for a new Windsor. Is this permissible?

[1:00:27] Like out through the tennis courts.

[1:00:30] There's and and even over on your side,

[1:00:34] there's other options over here that

[1:00:38] stone is marched out so much to the

[1:00:39] left. If I paved another 12 ft instead

[1:00:42] of a rightway, we could literally

[1:00:44] parallel park down through there, but we

[1:00:46] wouldn't get near as many spots. And I

[1:00:49] know that if there is I I could even

[1:00:51] pave up to those dumpsters and put that

[1:00:53] as copper, you know, of of

[1:00:57] what you know, we're spending money to

[1:00:59] help us get parking in some way or

[1:01:01] another. But as far as fencing, if

[1:01:03] there's some type of fencing that can be

[1:01:05] done, signage, fencing, we understand

[1:01:09] that you guys wouldn't bear any cost on

[1:01:11] that. We would bear the cost, but we

[1:01:13] would be getting the parking. So, but I

[1:01:15] think the safe bet is go not safe, but

[1:01:18] to me go through with this drawing

[1:01:20] number four, let it roll through the

[1:01:22] county and then we work it out after the

[1:01:26] fact. Because in this drawing number

[1:01:29] three that you got email, that has

[1:01:31] nothing to do other than the right way

[1:01:35] out to the black top itself. And I take

[1:01:38] up that square footage on my property or

[1:01:40] on our property.

[1:01:42] You follow me? I don't think so.

[1:01:44] >> Like that 10 foot from our property line

[1:01:47] to gear I'm picking up in our square

[1:01:50] footage. I'm not like saying, "All

[1:01:52] right, well that 10 by 100 that is New

[1:01:55] Windsor. That's their non-pervious area.

[1:01:58] I'd be considering that in my

[1:02:00] non-pervious area." And I think I'm

[1:02:02] probably pretty close how far it came

[1:02:04] down. Once I was waiting for John cuz

[1:02:07] the original tote, the original uh

[1:02:11] survey did not pick up uh just various

[1:02:14] things out there that were non-pervious

[1:02:16] areas that I want to get credit for. But

[1:02:19] I know off of the original survey that configuration I'm talking about

[1:02:25] right now was right around right around

[1:02:29] 4,000 square ft. 5,000 to to burn up yet

[1:02:33] going down and doing what I was talking

[1:02:34] about. So that's I guess that's it's up

[1:02:38] to you guys how you want me to proceed.

[1:02:41] >> So So um Jerry, just let I'm not opposed

[1:02:44] to that plan if that if if that works,

[1:02:47] but uh I just want you to um make sure

[1:02:49] you understand the the the feelings that I have on on Gear Lane. So Gear

[1:02:56] Lane is a nonused road, right? It only

[1:02:59] leads back to to to us where we have our

[1:03:03] equipment and our buildings and nobody

[1:03:06] else back there, right? And we have a

[1:03:08] lot of money and a lot of equipments

[1:03:10] that we've stored back there. And um and

[1:03:14] it also has a gate on the end that that

[1:03:16] could be closed that I always advocate

[1:03:19] to keep open because the town residents

[1:03:21] take their their yard waste back there

[1:03:24] and can dump it. We don't we don't have

[1:03:26] Right. We don't have to to wait for um

[1:03:29] you know the trucks to come around once

[1:03:31] every uh two weeks to do that. It is

[1:03:34] locked sometimes when we do our bulk

[1:03:37] trash which we do twice a year. That

[1:03:39] rolls into another reason why we never

[1:03:42] like thought about having it a road all

[1:03:45] the way through people because the bulk

[1:03:48] trash when people hear there's some

[1:03:50] dumpsters and bulk stuff ends up in

[1:03:53] there, right? and and we pay dearly for

[1:03:56] it. Sometimes they come and they dump

[1:03:58] their bulk trash in our yard waste and

[1:04:00] when we take it to the county, we get

[1:04:01] hit with a big bill because it's not

[1:04:03] yard waste anymore and they got to move

[1:04:05] it over and we pay the tipping fees. So,

[1:04:07] it becomes an expense and that's why in

[1:04:10] the past at least Gary and Wayne have

[1:04:12] always been real hesitant about having

[1:04:15] that as a a through road or having it as

[1:04:18] a open all the time because when people

[1:04:20] do it. So my my concerns go along with

[1:04:25] that. I personally like to keep it open

[1:04:29] for the residents, not just because the

[1:04:31] residents work at the same time the

[1:04:34] public works and when it's closed,

[1:04:37] that's when they get home, right? So

[1:04:38] they can't really utilize it except on

[1:04:40] Saturday morning if it's if it was

[1:04:42] opened. So um I just feel that we need

[1:04:47] to to figure that out a little bit. um

[1:04:51] with the town staff that in the future

[1:04:55] at least if you go with your plan fine.

[1:04:57] In the future we can make that work. I'm

[1:04:59] not opposed to if we figure out a way to

[1:05:01] do something with our facility and it

[1:05:03] allows you to park in there. I

[1:05:04] personally would not have a have a

[1:05:06] problem with that. I don't know how I

[1:05:08] feel about connecting it into the into

[1:05:10] the um the tennis court area, you know,

[1:05:14] getting over there where now we have

[1:05:16] maybe car traffic sneaking through

[1:05:18] there. I don't know where they'd sneak

[1:05:19] it to, but trying to to go through that

[1:05:21] would be a whole another thought process

[1:05:23] I'd have to to think about. But

[1:05:25] >> the even the even the spots at the um

[1:05:30] even on that overview of the next page

[1:05:33] down I my mathematics says that I can

[1:05:37] get nine spaces there. And why they're attractive spaces is because

[1:05:44] the infrastructure coming in and center

[1:05:47] lane is already the the center width is

[1:05:49] already made. So you're only adding for

[1:05:52] every you know 200 square ft is 10 going

[1:05:57] 180 ft for a 20 by 9 spot. You're get

[1:06:01] the maximum out of those. Those could be

[1:06:04] with a sidewalk coming over, never

[1:06:07] connect or anything. And the the one

[1:06:11] attractive thing about coming out of

[1:06:12] here is just making it one way where

[1:06:15] everybody because everybody, I don't

[1:06:17] care who it's going to be, is going to

[1:06:19] come down looking for that close parking

[1:06:21] spot. There isn't going to be one there.

[1:06:23] They're going to turn around and going

[1:06:25] to go back out. I mean, that's life. I

[1:06:27] see that one zone. They go down that one

[1:06:30] side, come to the back right side of the

[1:06:31] building, turn around. They pray and

[1:06:34] hope for that one spot. But but

[1:06:37] >> it's never there.

[1:06:38] >> I'll do whatever.

[1:06:40] I'll make it work anyway. But it seems

[1:06:43] to me the most logical thing to do is

[1:06:47] have John draw it just like page four

[1:06:50] is. And he comes up what he'll say

[1:06:54] [clears throat] on the drawings, I'm

[1:06:55] disturbing x amount of square foot. and

[1:06:59] I'm creating X amount of nonverbs. I

[1:07:02] mean, that's going to be on the

[1:07:03] drawings. And at the end of the day, if

[1:07:06] coming down, number one is by not having

[1:07:09] a turn around, I automatically pick up

[1:07:12] one spot there. Um because I don't have

[1:07:16] to turn around anymore. And then as you guys weed, you know, weed through

[1:07:21] things, lease ways, I'll be approved for

[1:07:24] something to open, you know, and I'll

[1:07:27] know that we'll spend money on the

[1:07:29] inside because we know we're getting to

[1:07:32] the home stretch here. Maybe it isn't

[1:07:34] everything we want, but at least ways we

[1:07:37] don't know whether the water,

[1:07:39] [cough and clears throat] right? And I'm

[1:07:40] not we are not spending 20 grand on a

[1:07:43] pump to provide more pressure because

[1:07:46] you already got the lift, the ADA lift

[1:07:48] and you got the sprinkers. It's a lot of

[1:07:51] money to go upstairs and you ask

[1:07:53] yourself whether it's worth the 50

[1:07:55] people going up there. So um to me I get

[1:08:00] John to draw it like that. You will see

[1:08:03] it again. You'll see it officially.

[1:08:06] you guys would be I maybe will you work

[1:08:09] on the looking into the county as I mean

[1:08:12] not county but looking at giving the

[1:08:15] variances I mean you you'll be ready to

[1:08:18] give a variance possibly when this

[1:08:21] drawing comes in.

[1:08:22] >> Yeah. And that would be reflected on

[1:08:24] whatever John draws

[1:08:26] >> which is going to be this. Yeah. Right

[1:08:27] here. Yeah. which is going to be two.

[1:08:31] >> What you what you

[1:08:32] >> two plus one two easy one foot and one

[1:08:36] foot. The third one is recognizing we're

[1:08:39] creating your own new law that with you

[1:08:42] within 500 ft of municipal or uh paid

[1:08:47] contract parking

[1:08:50] that will because you look at

[1:08:52] Johansson's right now if you park over

[1:08:54] at Paradisio I guarantee it takes 10

[1:08:57] minutes to get from the Paradisio line

[1:08:59] >> crossing that street and getting to

[1:09:02] Johansson

[1:09:03] that's

[1:09:06] So, I don't know, but we can make it

[1:09:08] work with this and and and everything

[1:09:11] else is just great. But we bought it

[1:09:15] with the idea of at least getting this

[1:09:19] many parking spots. Have we not had the

[1:09:21] firewall? We have never bought and

[1:09:24] that's probably why nobody else has ever

[1:09:25] bought it because they couldn't figure

[1:09:26] out how they're going to get park.

[1:09:30] >> So, phase one is is this phase.

[1:09:34] >> I like that. phase one. You got it.

[1:09:36] >> And then whatever we can dream

[1:09:39] >> and in the next couple of months can

[1:09:42] >> Well, actually, you've already done

[1:09:44] phase one. You've got the agreement

[1:09:46] already with the fire department. But

[1:09:48] yes,

[1:09:50] I I think that's part of the message

[1:09:53] here is that it sounds like you can move

[1:09:56] forward with this to be able to get the

[1:09:59] place open to get start get the process

[1:10:01] rolling and then we can then

[1:10:03] mechanically work out over the next 6

[1:10:06] months to get the phase two for the

[1:10:08] park.

[1:10:09] >> Yeah. If if phase two, let's just say

[1:10:12] let's say let's say we're heading to

[1:10:15] March through the county. I heard the

[1:10:16] biggest slowdown in the county that's on

[1:10:18] the fire side. So everything else is

[1:10:21] just easy cuz it's coming back to you

[1:10:23] guys. It isn't like the countyy's trying

[1:10:25] to prove all the things they have to do

[1:10:27] when it's in the county. The burden is

[1:10:29] on you in New Windsor to do all the

[1:10:32] approving. They just have the fire guys

[1:10:35] got to look at it and I don't know. They

[1:10:37] look at ADA. I've got one more spot than

[1:10:40] what even is needed, but I wanted three

[1:10:42] ADA spots so that if we increased, I had

[1:10:47] more than enough ADA spots and I think

[1:10:49] we're we're good on that. So, we'll let

[1:10:52] John draw this thing up and I tell you

[1:10:55] when I get it, even though it goes to

[1:10:57] account, I don't know how long it takes

[1:10:59] before it gets kicked back.

[1:11:01] >> But as soon as I get it, I'll kick it

[1:11:03] right to you. You can compare to what I

[1:11:05] give you today because it'll be one and

[1:11:07] the same. The only thing I just don't,

[1:11:09] you know, I'll show all three parking

[1:11:11] spots at the garage because if I take

[1:11:14] two of them away, it is what it is at

[1:11:17] the time that I take two of them away.

[1:11:19] You still have 37 spots and your law

[1:11:24] says one for every 100 square ft and

[1:11:28] we're about 2700 square ft of usable

[1:11:31] space. if that rule applies to your book

[1:11:34] in your code. If you go into Carol

[1:11:36] County and look at the way they look at

[1:11:39] parking andor you go to Westminster,

[1:11:41] Carol County is more stringent than

[1:11:43] Westminster.

[1:11:45] is less stringent and you

[1:11:47] and Westminster if you do the math is

[1:11:49] about one and the same.

[1:11:52] >> You just go about it you go about it in

[1:11:54] a different way.

[1:11:58] Wouldn't you want to put a note on here

[1:12:00] or have John put a note on here that you

[1:12:03] do have an agreement in place with the

[1:12:05] fire hall for the additional?

[1:12:07] >> You know, I can do that. That's a good

[1:12:09] idea. And I Yeah, if you guys want that

[1:12:11] letter, have I ever sub that letter to

[1:12:13] you guys?

[1:12:15] >> I will forward it. I'll forward it and

[1:12:17] you all forward in your J. All right.

[1:12:20] >> That's a good idea. just having the

[1:12:21] general notes. Just put that on there.

[1:12:23] >> Yeah.

[1:12:27] Cuz when I was in the talk to me,

[1:12:30] you know, I I knew we were at about

[1:12:33] 4,000 square ft. And that's the number

[1:12:35] we were talking

[1:12:37] >> and then the more I looked at maybe

[1:12:39] trying to go down the side, I might have

[1:12:42] not said 5,000 at the time, but the rule

[1:12:44] is 5,000 square ft. And if you don't

[1:12:46] cover 5,000 square, I mean, Jee and I

[1:12:48] are looking at everything we do on the

[1:12:50] outside as far as right down to a

[1:12:52] sidewalk. It's it's it's literally we're

[1:12:54] looking at we know that we when we do

[1:12:58] our areas for outside, they'll all be

[1:13:00] ground decks because barn set decks are

[1:13:03] allowed and not count. So everything

[1:13:06] where we put tables and all that where

[1:13:09] the pavers would look nice and fit in

[1:13:12] with the building, we won't do that.

[1:13:14] We'll build at grade decks because they

[1:13:16] don't count toward the the non-burnous

[1:13:19] area.

[1:13:22] It's tough, I tell you. 500 ft is tough.

[1:13:26] >> Truly is.

[1:13:28] >> And knowing that there knowing my you

[1:13:32] better not be 5,0001.

[1:13:34] [laughter]

[1:13:36] >> Yeah, I know.

[1:13:39] [laughter]

[1:13:40] >> I know. Well, John, uh, in the interest

[1:13:43] of what John comes up with, uh,

[1:13:48] we digitized it out in my office, so

[1:13:50] we're we're good. We're good. I'll put

[1:13:54] your mic back.

[1:14:00] » Maybe I'll just

[1:14:04] say, "Turn that."

[1:14:05] >> So, I will send everyone that. I mean,

[1:14:08] I'll send it to Dave.

[1:14:11] or whoever I started the Jane, you guys

[1:14:13] have a good internal system. I'll get it

[1:14:15] to somebody and then um you'll have

[1:14:20] that.

[1:14:20] >> Make sure it gets the my name and then

[1:14:23] I'll make sure everybody gets it.

[1:14:25] >> You are I got you. Um and I will just in

[1:14:29] that same email I'll go back put this

[1:14:33] one picture here with us because that's

[1:14:36] the one that we're thinking about

[1:14:38] working with. Okay. Should I do do we

[1:14:42] need to

[1:14:44] like make a motion or something on the

[1:14:46] one foot variance before you put it on a

[1:14:49] >> I I you got nothing to to rule on until

[1:14:53] you get the the actual plan from John.

[1:14:55] Now he's going to do these on like myar

[1:14:57] size, right?

[1:14:58] >> Yeah.

[1:14:59] So

[1:15:01] [laughter]

[1:15:03] a napkin.

[1:15:04] >> I love them. They're very attractive.

[1:15:06] >> Something that big, you might find

[1:15:07] something wrong with it.

[1:15:10] Point being, if if it's going to be on

[1:15:13] big, everybody needs to have a big.

[1:15:16] >> Yeah, you need copies.

[1:15:18] >> Yeah, the big ones.

[1:15:19] >> That cost a lot of money.

[1:15:20] >> I know it will. That's why I'm

[1:15:22] [laughter] mentioning it. Yeah.

[1:15:24] >> So, I can tell

[1:15:25] >> less parking spot than you.

[1:15:27] >> Really?

[1:15:28] >> Yeah. I And you tell me how many I need.

[1:15:32] >> Seven of us, you may

[1:15:36] work for you, don't

[1:15:37] >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's big enough. Yeah.

[1:15:38] No, we don't need the kind of thing that

[1:15:39] you like like a full subdivision

[1:15:42] platform.

[1:15:43] >> Any scale?

[1:15:44] >> Oh, yeah. That that's that's big enough.

[1:15:47] >> That probably hits a 40 scale. So, it'

[1:15:49] be easier to scale and easier to see.

[1:15:54] >> The only thing I missed if I could ask

[1:15:56] the dates the council has their

[1:15:58] meetings.

[1:15:58] >> Oh, first first Wednesday.

[1:16:00] >> First Wednesday. Okay.

[1:16:01] >> Third Monday.

[1:16:03] >> Because we're not even a topic to the

[1:16:05] council at this point. Correct. So we

[1:16:08] >> not officially you're not on their

[1:16:10] agenda or anything.

[1:16:12] [snorts]

[1:16:13] >> I think you might be they might be aware

[1:16:15] of you but you're not on the

[1:16:19] >> that's on the agenda it

[1:16:21] >> and if you if you if you want to come

[1:16:24] back and talk to them you want to

[1:16:26] request to be put on the agenda at least

[1:16:29] a week in advance.

[1:16:30] >> Let's get John to get the real drawing.

[1:16:33] >> Everybody have it before he even goes to

[1:16:35] the gallery. All right. and and it'll be

[1:16:38] a nice clear draw. And then we just we go that route. Um because I don't

[1:16:44] think it's going to take much to get a

[1:16:46] warm fuzzy feeling that we're going to

[1:16:48] at least wait to get this parking lot

[1:16:49] configured the way it is

[1:16:52] to spend the money on the inside place

[1:16:55] as far as where whether we go upstairs.

[1:16:58] >> That that'll be the key part. Yeah. The

[1:17:01] only thing we might do is even if we

[1:17:02] don't have the flow, we talked about I

[1:17:05] talked to Tom Harris about going ahead

[1:17:06] and put the sprinkers in the house. The

[1:17:09] elevators I mean I don't like say

[1:17:10] elevator call the lift. The lift is easy

[1:17:14] to do like over the carnival period of

[1:17:16] time like the following year you know 7

[1:17:19] days is enough time to do that. The

[1:17:22] sprinklers it's a mess. So, we might

[1:17:24] would do the sprinklers and just not

[1:17:26] even uh turn like have them functional

[1:17:30] cuz the one thing that I learned that

[1:17:32] day, Joe and I learned I thought well

[1:17:34] have sprinkers kind of nice just in case

[1:17:36] you do have a fire. They have no bearing

[1:17:39] on a commercial building of saving the

[1:17:42] house. All they do is save people. The

[1:17:45] house will burn and I wasn't aware of

[1:17:48] that.

[1:17:50] >> Yeah, they don't run that long. They

[1:17:52] just they just get started and get folks

[1:17:54] out,

[1:17:55] >> right?

[1:17:56] >> Yeah. So, um but at least ways everybody

[1:17:59] knows, you know, we're farther than

[1:18:01] where we were last time, but we're on

[1:18:03] the same Nothing has deflected from the

[1:18:07] first time we came in here. Our plans

[1:18:09] are the same. Nothing's really changed.

[1:18:12] Um and my original drawings, I said to

[1:18:15] all of you, almost look identical to

[1:18:17] page number.

[1:18:18] >> These are just a typical bumps in the

[1:18:20] road. Oh yeah, good work.

[1:18:23] >> Yeah, I'm with the

[1:18:28] All right. Well, we'll let you guys get

[1:18:29] on to your other agenda.

[1:18:31] >> Thank you.

[1:18:33] >> I give you that.

[1:18:34] >> You moving quicker than me.

[1:18:36] >> I got Thank you very much.

[1:18:43] [laughter]

[1:18:45] >> Sure. In case you want to look at it

[1:18:47] later.

[1:18:48] >> It's a pretty house.

[1:18:50] The more we're in it,

[1:18:52] >> the more we're in that house,

[1:18:56] I can't I mean, when Beth and I walked

[1:18:57] in the first time, we fell in love with

[1:18:59] the house, but the more we're in it, and

[1:19:02] the cool thing is the money we're

[1:19:04] spending more so is in the cafe

[1:19:06] >> to make the cafe look old and not

[1:19:08] drywall like this room. And that's where

[1:19:11] the most money be

[1:19:13] sells itself.

[1:19:15] >> I mean, we got emergency exits. We got

[1:19:17] to put HABC and everything. But that

[1:19:20] house,

[1:19:22] anytime anybody wants a tour, just

[1:19:25] >> I was in that house. [laughter]

[1:19:28] >> Oh, wow. I was never in it until Sam.

[1:19:31] Well,

[1:19:31] >> and he did. They did a beautiful job.

[1:19:33] >> We We had the uh Carol County Historical

[1:19:36] Society had a decorator showhouse.

[1:19:39] >> Oh, yeah. I remember they used to do

[1:19:40] that.

[1:19:43] » The paintings on the right. the my

[1:19:45] paintings. Well, you know, the marbling

[1:19:48] on the on the fireplace is still there,

[1:19:50] but my paintings are gone.

[1:19:52] [clears throat]

[1:19:55] » Let me out across to Kevin. There's a

[1:19:57] piece of paper on your desk, and you

[1:19:58] know what it is. Your email kept

[1:20:02] bouncing back to me. So, it's just a

[1:20:04] little memo from me about some some

[1:20:07] minor things on the plan. So, don't feel

[1:20:09] put out that you didn't get it. Uh, but

[1:20:11] I tried and I I don't know. I sent it to

[1:20:14] the address that I had on the same list.

[1:20:17] >> You have me at a new Windsor. I don't

[1:20:18] have a new Windsor address.

[1:20:19] >> Oh, well that explains it

[1:20:22] >> eventually.

[1:20:23] >> Okay.

[1:20:23] >> Just But that's what it is. Uh

[1:20:25] >> cuz if you show it to Glenn, he'll say,

[1:20:27] "I don't have that."

[1:20:30] » I'm special.

[1:20:38] » Any updates, Dave?

[1:20:39] >> Yeah, just a couple real quick. Um the

[1:20:42] town is working with our engineering

[1:20:43] contract G contractor GMBB to evaluate

[1:20:47] and understand the MDE scoring of the

[1:20:50] town's grant ranking for the ENR upgrade

[1:20:54] of the wastewater treatment system. So

[1:20:55] you know we put in a a grant request uh

[1:20:58] with G uh with GMBB for the ENR and it

[1:21:02] was rated and graded and we didn't come

[1:21:05] back too well on that. Um so we want to

[1:21:08] ensure we are more in a more competitive

[1:21:12] uh state for the next round. The next

[1:21:14] round I think is January time frame that

[1:21:16] we'll be submitting another grant. Um

[1:21:18] where we're trying to figure out exactly

[1:21:20] why we scored uh low in some areas and a

[1:21:24] lot of it has to do with some densities

[1:21:26] and and things like that that uh we're working through now. Um also next

[1:21:32] door the 211 High Street property the

[1:21:34] redevelopment status. Um, wanted to

[1:21:36] bring you guys all up to date. I don't

[1:21:38] know if you you noticed, uh, the

[1:21:40] interior demo has been completed. The

[1:21:42] place is gutted. Uh, down to the brick

[1:21:45] walls on the inside. Um, uh, there's

[1:21:48] still some drywall or some some plaster

[1:21:52] upstairs on the brick, but the first

[1:21:54] floor is is totally totally gutted. Um,

[1:21:58] they the contractor uh, Urban Urbana

[1:22:01] Multi-ervices did a phenomenal job. They

[1:22:04] provided the town staff with um weekly

[1:22:07] updates and gave them status reports and

[1:22:10] told them exactly what was going on

[1:22:12] every step of the way. They cleaned that

[1:22:13] thing. It it's it's really nice. Um

[1:22:18] uh there was I think two change orders

[1:22:20] coming in. Uh there was one support beam

[1:22:23] on the second floor that's sagging, has

[1:22:25] a significant crack. So um we're waiting

[1:22:28] for that to come in and we're going to

[1:22:30] get that fixed before we do the roof. Um

[1:22:33] the roof is supposed to start here in

[1:22:34] mid-occtober. So we're trying to get

[1:22:37] that that uh support beam fixed before

[1:22:40] they come and do the roof. So the roof

[1:22:42] is scheduled to be done. Um the exterior

[1:22:45] brick masonry restoration has been

[1:22:47] awarded. Um uh at the beginning of the month here, so they were given the

[1:22:53] notice to proceed on the 3. Um I saw a

[1:22:56] guy out there today looking around, so I

[1:22:58] don't know if they're they're starting

[1:22:59] to do some things or not. Um the

[1:23:01] exterior wood inspection and

[1:23:04] restoration, we awarded that uh on the

[1:23:07] 21st and they got their notice to

[1:23:09] proceed on the 22nd as well. All these

[1:23:12] things that we've done so far have been

[1:23:14] funded from that first grant we got that

[1:23:17] was $250,000

[1:23:19] and we have about $129,000

[1:23:23] remaining give or take uh depending what

[1:23:25] these these couple um little um

[1:23:28] additional things we have to do get

[1:23:30] done. Uh we're still working on another

[1:23:32] grant to help us um finish all this

[1:23:35] stuff off, but so far things are are

[1:23:38] going very well and uh we're we're quite

[1:23:42] happy with the the progress being made.

[1:23:44] >> It's like it's not really any money from

[1:23:46] the town itself from that grant.

[1:23:48] >> It's all been so far from the grant. Um

[1:23:50] if we get we we put in um a grant two

[1:23:54] months ago, a month ago I guess we

[1:23:57] submitted it um to cover the rest of

[1:24:01] reneoing, you know, build building out

[1:24:03] the apartments, two part two apartments,

[1:24:06] two two-bedroom apartments, kitchen,

[1:24:09] bathrooms. Um, and I think they pushed

[1:24:13] back when they're awarding it till the

[1:24:16] end of the year. So, we probably won't

[1:24:18] know

[1:24:20] till the end of the year whether we get

[1:24:22] that money, but um,

[1:24:26] >> so far so good. Hope they find any uh

[1:24:29] artifacts or anything in demolition like

[1:24:31] in the walls or anything?

[1:24:32] >> I haven't heard they they did not

[1:24:34] necessarily find anything that not that I was aware of. I was hoping, you

[1:24:38] know, they maybe find some old beer cans

[1:24:40] or something in there for my collection,

[1:24:41] but it didn't happen. [laughter]

[1:24:43] >> Nothing came my way.

[1:24:49] » That's it.

[1:24:49] >> Thanks, Dave. Uh, two quick items. One

[1:24:52] is

[1:24:54] shirts.

[1:24:57] Did everybody pick up their shirt?

[1:24:59] >> Mhm.

[1:24:59] >> Thank you.

[1:25:00] >> Feel free to wear it to our meetings or

[1:25:03] any of events that we have around town.

[1:25:06] um like new ones or the music on the

[1:25:08] main if you're there and you can wear

[1:25:10] your shirt. Um unless it's cold then you

[1:25:14] may want but looks like good weather for

[1:25:16] this weekend. And um also

[1:25:20] a minor note but the uh that close

[1:25:22] session we had in early August um and it

[1:25:25] was actually on the topic we anyway that

[1:25:28] closed session the um they omitted to uh pay us for that. So that will come

[1:25:34] out in the next check. So you'll get

[1:25:37] paid for this meeting and that session.

[1:25:40] Alrighty.

[1:25:42] I'm gonna slide over next to Rebecca and

[1:25:45] Michelle so I can get the screen.

[1:25:49] [cough]

[1:26:02] While Mark's setting up, do we need to

[1:26:04] do something

[1:26:06] about looking for that if we have

[1:26:09] provisions in our code for the

[1:26:12] offsite parking?

[1:26:14] >> We do, which means I will.

[1:26:16] >> You will.

[1:26:16] >> You I mean, you're a good reader of the

[1:26:18] code. But actually, I've got it written

[1:26:20] down here with stars.

[1:26:22] >> Okay. Cuz I tried real quick to look up

[1:26:24] that section and I I

[1:26:26] >> Yeah, I intended to try and get to that,

[1:26:28] but today kind of got away from me.

[1:26:30] >> Okay. All right. Before

[1:26:33] we leave that, I want to see

[1:26:35] specifically what sections of the code

[1:26:38] are commission that we don't get copy

[1:26:42] for everybody go through. I don't

[1:26:46] >> I don't think I understand your

[1:26:47] question.

[1:26:47] >> There's a specific section that we a

[1:26:50] portion of the code that we

[1:26:54] >> Yeah, it's like

[1:26:56] >> we don't go through the whole thing. No,

[1:26:58] but in so far as if you look up planning

[1:27:00] commission, it's like three sections. It

[1:27:02] says how many of you there are and and

[1:27:04] that that's all that is specific.

[1:27:05] >> But there are sections that we have

[1:27:08] let's say like 210 or something like

[1:27:10] that.

[1:27:10] >> A lot of subdivision regulations and

[1:27:13] development regulations

[1:27:14] >> or maybe you could tell

[1:27:15] >> go go through that. But it if you have

[1:27:19] trouble sleeping, you might want to take

[1:27:21] that home and read it. a big one that

[1:27:25] can't. What do I have?

[1:27:27] >> I mean, there's a lot of things.

[1:27:29] >> Why would I have

[1:27:30] >> potentially run through the planning

[1:27:32] commission?

[1:27:33] >> Um,

[1:27:34] >> how's that?

[1:27:34] >> Do I do more than hit the button?

[1:27:42] » Those are spares. Oh, those are yours.

[1:27:44] Oh, those

[1:27:47] that was just a spare.

[1:27:48] >> Did you have one?

[1:27:49] >> Yeah.

[1:27:51] Oh,

[1:27:53] here's your right.

[1:27:56] >> Can you write on there? Was in

[1:27:57] attendance or something so she knows he

[1:27:59] was here.

[1:28:10] » Oh, that's what I'm Looks like it was

[1:28:13] fun.

[1:28:15] Yeah.

[1:28:19] Just quick.

[1:28:26] » Sailing. It's a dangerous sport.

[1:28:28] >> Well, that's cuz Yeah, that's what

[1:28:29] happens when you have all that money

[1:28:30] that you can have sailboats.

[1:28:33] >> It's an old sailboat.

[1:28:34] >> This is worth more than

[1:28:36] >> So, there you go. It works out.

[1:28:38] [laughter]

[1:28:41] » Well, not happy.

[1:28:43] I'm sure it could have been worse.

[1:28:45] >> Always.

[1:28:46] >> Well, I mean, there wasn't any pain or

[1:28:48] anything. It just happened.

[1:28:50] >> You walked it

[1:28:52] >> kind of. Yeah. Lost a hand and was

[1:28:54] trying to

[1:28:57] >> No, I was on a sailboat once. Made me

[1:28:59] nervous. That was enough.

[1:29:01] >> It's my happy place. Of course, we

[1:29:03] didn't go anywhere. Not this weekend. It

[1:29:05] was pretty nasty.

[1:29:05] >> Well, now if I didn't have to go

[1:29:06] anywhere, that might not be so bad, you

[1:29:08] know. actually was that was we were

[1:29:10] leaning on.

[1:29:12] >> Yeah. Know we weren't we was it was

[1:29:14] blowing the wind was moving the boat cuz

[1:29:16] it was so windy this weekend.

[1:29:17] >> Oh yeah.

[1:29:19] >> Yeah. And the tide was up. It was a lot

[1:29:22] of fun.

[1:29:26] » I know. I had to bring the little piece

[1:29:28] to

[1:29:30] the Is that something will have to

[1:29:33] >> No. If it's part of a site plan,

[1:29:36] >> okay,

[1:29:36] >> you you guys can do it. If they were

[1:29:38] just coming in and saying, "I want to

[1:29:40] put part of the building up unrelated to

[1:29:43] a site plan or any commission action,"

[1:29:45] then they'd go to the DCA.

[1:30:14] 18 pages.

[1:30:17] That's not too bad. Only 18 pages. And

[1:30:20] are we doing maps, too, or are we

[1:30:22] thinking they're okay?

[1:30:25] See, I'm not I need help on the maps. I

[1:30:28] got to know what's not.

[1:30:30] >> Yeah, exactly. That's going to be a seal

[1:30:32] stamp approved.

[1:30:37] » Signal.

[1:30:39] Read the directions again.

[1:30:44] » Handle one foot. Rub your belly. Pet

[1:30:46] your head.

[1:30:48] [laughter]

[1:30:53] Uhoh. There was more to it. You didn't

[1:30:55] tell me that.

[1:31:12] Please

[1:31:15] [snorts]

[1:31:16] still.

[1:31:17] >> Oh, you're still

[1:31:29] cable.

[1:31:32] There you go.

[1:31:47] » It wasn't the right remote.

[1:31:49] >> It's the right remote, but

[1:31:53] This is always This is the same one

[1:31:55] that's always here.

[1:32:07] » Is there anything though?

[1:32:09] >> Just an extension cord.

[1:32:18] Yeah, I see.

[1:32:22] » Yeah, usually.

[1:32:31] » Can I get something for you?

[1:32:33] >> Oh, well,

[1:32:35] she's lucky.

[1:32:36] >> Yeah, I have a cord in there. I'm going

[1:32:40] to run back here.

[1:32:45] This is very This go directly into

[1:32:55] two.

[1:33:09] [snorts]

[1:33:14] I guess it

[1:33:16] Is that it?

[1:33:17] >> I think that's I don't know where

[1:33:19] >> it reaches.

[1:33:23] You may have found it. Mark,

[1:33:25] >> it can only blow up something. Don't

[1:33:26] worry about it. It's his computer.

[1:33:29] >> Which way do you think it'll go?

[1:33:31] >> To the plug inside. Don't worry.

[1:33:33] >> Fine. Make sure it wasn't going to blow

[1:33:34] up in this direction.

[1:33:36] >> Throw the plug inside. You'll be okay.

[1:33:38] >> Why are we have to do that?

[1:33:42] How many years is it going to be before

[1:33:44] we figure this out?

[1:33:47] >> Why why different than normal?

[1:33:49] >> So I don't even I don't pretend to

[1:33:51] participate in the discussion.

[1:33:53] >> There wasn't any uh Ethernet cord there.

[1:33:57] >> He usually connects into there's always

[1:33:59] one just kind of hanging there.

[1:34:02] >> Yeah, he he stuck something in around

[1:34:04] the side, but I think it's like a like

[1:34:06] one of those

[1:34:07] >> flashy kind of things.

[1:34:10] Yeah.

[1:34:10] >> Yeah. Didn't we just don't we we don't

[1:34:12] connect to Bluetooth or

[1:34:14] >> Yeah.

[1:34:17] >> It's not like a Bluetooth that's not

[1:34:18] Bluetooth for us to connect to. It has

[1:34:20] to be plugged in.

[1:34:24] » Uh

[1:34:26] years ago when Doris and Sam

[1:34:28] >> I can't remember when they had

[1:34:31] >> I don't know. They had they had an urban

[1:34:32] house.

[1:34:36] It was just I was just down in the lower

[1:34:39] levels.

[1:34:39] >> Yeah,

[1:34:42] >> it was it was wonderful. I remember

[1:34:44] after they opened it up, they they

[1:34:46] invited the staff people.

[1:34:47] >> Did you have an Ethernet port?

[1:34:50] >> No, [clears throat] we don't use an

[1:34:51] Ethernet.

[1:34:52] >> Okay. Then you're just looking for

[1:34:53] Bluetooth.

[1:34:54] >> Yeah, I'm going to look.

[1:34:57] >> Let's see if that go

[1:35:01] My goodness, this thing is

[1:35:03] >> Yeah.

[1:35:05] They they don't I have never been able

[1:35:07] to adjust it properly.

[1:35:10] >> Before did you plug in like an Ethernet

[1:35:12] cable?

[1:35:13] >> You're supposed to find LG web OS TV.

[1:35:17] >> Yeah, probably Bluetooth

[1:35:19] >> on your Bluetooth.

[1:35:20] >> Okay, that's what it says.

[1:35:25] I saw a cord hanging there.

[1:35:29] >> Yeah. What's a

[1:35:31] kind of click on give them permission?

[1:35:35] It should be.

[1:35:37] >> Yeah. LG web.

[1:35:43] » Okay. It says actually says this is

[1:35:45] connected. Okay.

[1:35:53] » Okay. The home button

[1:35:57] says home.

[1:36:00] Oh, there we go. Someone says plug in.

[1:36:02] See if something happened with that.

[1:36:03] There we go.

[1:36:05] >> There the PC. It's chat. I guess this is

[1:36:09] okay.

[1:36:12] » That's HDMI, but it's not HDMI.

[1:36:17] >> Let's see. Let's see what happens.

[1:36:21] >> Always would come up and ask for

[1:36:22] permission

[1:36:24] on the TV.

[1:36:47] G web

[1:36:48] >> that's on here

[1:36:52] » not connected. Let's give this a shot.

[1:36:55] Yeah, you won't expect that you left.

[1:36:59] See if it comes up or something.

[1:37:06] » I got three LG webs. I clicked on each

[1:37:10] of them.

[1:37:11] >> Bluetooth playback.

[1:37:17] » Did you select it?

[1:37:19] >> Yeah.

[1:37:19] >> And did it let you connect?

[1:37:20] >> It says not connected.

[1:37:37] Oh, here we go. PC

[1:37:42] says HDMI

[1:37:46] come up like ask for permission to

[1:37:49] connect. Yeah,

[1:37:52] I see. It's not the LG Thin Q. Is that

[1:37:56] an LG Thin Q?

[1:37:59] >> Your computer.

[1:38:01] >> Let's see here.

[1:38:02] >> What kind?

[1:38:05] >> Is it a MacBook? It's Lenovo.

[1:38:07] >> Lenovo.

[1:38:09] >> So, that's not a thin Q, is it? That's

[1:38:18] » zero

[1:38:21] thing. We might be open by the time we

[1:38:24] might go down to celebrate finish.

[1:38:30] [laughter]

[1:38:30] >> Yeah, you're right. We did this problem

[1:38:31] last time. I don't know. I wasn't part

[1:38:34] of the solution.

[1:38:37] See if we can do something over here.

[1:38:59] Well,

[1:39:01] we just have to do it the oldfashioned

[1:39:03] way.

[1:39:07] This one devices.

[1:39:15] » I'm giving up. I can have buttons, but

[1:39:18] I'm not finding anything that says

[1:39:20] Bluetooth TV or [cough]

[1:39:24] them Ravens.

[1:39:26] [laughter]

[1:39:28] I recorded the game until I could watch

[1:39:31] it. And my wife knew the whole time he

[1:39:34] wanted just was not. And she says,

[1:39:35] "Why?" I'm like, why aren't you paying

[1:39:36] attention? I don't understand why you're

[1:39:38] not excited. I'm

[1:39:38] >> not seeing anything coming up. Are you

[1:39:40] connected?

[1:39:41] >> I'm glad they won. Yes. They didn't

[1:39:43] neess deserve to win, but I'm glad they

[1:39:45] won.

[1:39:45] >> Yeah.

[1:39:47] >> So, [clears throat]

[1:39:50] 10 hour fighter [laughter]

[1:39:54] only. Imagine how ugly that was for the

[1:39:56] Dallas Cowboys.

[1:39:59] [sighs and gasps]

[1:40:02] There you go.

[1:40:06] What is that?

[1:40:08] >> I just want the connection guide.

[1:40:22] [sighs]

[1:40:32] I don't see anything else on here.

[1:40:38] » You always just come up there where

[1:40:41] >> Yeah.

[1:40:41] >> Longer where it says

[1:40:56] Okay.

[1:41:12] Well,

[1:41:16] at least we'll all have the same paper

[1:41:18] we can just go through. Wonderful.

[1:41:56] Does settings have anything under

[1:41:59] display?

[1:42:04] » The TV doesn't

[1:42:05] >> Well, I was going to say go to the

[1:42:06] settings button.

[1:42:08] >> I just Googled it. Said connect to a

[1:42:10] wireless display.

[1:42:13] Go to your s settings system display.

[1:42:17] connect to a wireless.

[1:42:20] So, if there's a settings button,

[1:42:26] I think it's up in the top. Is it the

[1:42:32] TV guy?

[1:42:36] » Isn't there a settings button on the

[1:42:38] remote?

[1:42:41] >> I'm not seeing anything for settings.

[1:42:55] Yeah, it always just come up. It always

[1:42:57] came up on that page.

[1:43:09] Could always shut everything down and

[1:43:11] reboot.

[1:43:32] » [cough]

[1:43:32] [clears throat]

[1:43:33] >> I'm just going to go we left off start

[1:43:37] with page 78.

[1:43:58] Community Involvement

[1:44:01] Chapter 12.

[1:44:12] Oh boy.

[1:44:21] All righty.

[1:44:28] Anybody have anything on the first page?

[1:44:32] >> Yes.

[1:44:34] >> Great. [snorts]

[1:44:34] >> Okay. Number two. Okay.

[1:44:37] >> Middle of the paragraph where it says

[1:44:39] the Carol County Board of Commissioners

[1:44:42] [cough]

[1:44:43] >> appoints.

[1:44:44] >> Yes. Carol County Board of Commissioner

[1:44:46] should be crossed out.

[1:44:48] >> Okay.

[1:44:48] >> And it should say the New Windsor Mayor

[1:44:50] and Town Council appoints qualified

[1:44:52] citizens to the numerous boards. Blah blah blah.

[1:44:57] >> The new Windsor town council.

[1:44:59] >> The new Windsor mayor. Mayor. Oh,

[1:45:01] >> mayor and town council.

[1:45:02] >> Town council.

[1:45:07] [clears throat]

[1:45:10] appoints qualified citizens. Okay,

[1:45:12] >> he keeps going. Planning and zoning

[1:45:14] commission, board of zoning appeals

[1:45:18] and ethics commission

[1:45:21] and the rest can be deleted.

[1:45:24] We [snorts] don't have those.

[1:45:28] » And ethics commission. Mhm.

[1:45:32] >> Okay. Period.

[1:45:34] and then delete all the [cough]

[1:45:39] » Wow. What is it? What are these other

[1:45:42] ones?

[1:45:43] >> I guess they were things the Carol

[1:45:45] County Board of Commissioners used to

[1:45:46] do, but

[1:45:48] >> yeah, I can't see it, so I don't know.

[1:45:50] >> They may still do it, but it doesn't

[1:45:51] matter.

[1:45:51] >> Oh, that's the end of the paragraph.

[1:45:54] >> Okay,

[1:45:57] » that's all I had on page 78.

[1:46:01] >> Okay.

[1:46:02] [clears throat] M.

[1:46:03] >> Anybody else have anything on 78?

[1:46:06] [snorts]

[1:46:07] >> Okay. 79.

[1:46:10] >> All right. Yes. 79. [cough]

[1:46:13] >> I believe C A BC can go away. Carol

[1:46:17] County Planning and Zoning Commission.

[1:46:20] We were removing all Carol County stuff

[1:46:22] out of here.

[1:46:30] » [cough and clears throat]

[1:46:31] >> Do we

[1:46:33] change that information to

[1:46:36] >> apply to New Windsor or

[1:46:39] >> No, just exit out

[1:46:41] >> because you have town planning on a

[1:46:44] [snorts]

[1:46:44] >> Okay, that's right.

[1:46:46] >> Are we still on legislate the district

[1:46:48] will be

[1:46:51] [snorts]

[1:46:54] » the date? Anything changed there?

[1:46:56] >> I don't know. I don't think so, but

[1:46:58] that's something that we should just

[1:47:00] Yeah, we should confirm. But where do

[1:47:02] you see that?

[1:47:03] >> Um, yes, I think we Yes, we are.

[1:47:07] >> Gotcha.

[1:47:07] >> Yeah. The legislative district 4B. Yeah.

[1:47:10] >> At least so far. [cough]

[1:47:17] » All right.

[1:47:19] >> Bottom of [snorts] that page, Mark,

[1:47:20] where it says town board of zoning

[1:47:22] appeals under that paragraph.

[1:47:24] >> Okay. the board of zoning appeals. You

[1:47:27] need to put BZA in prince. That's the

[1:47:29] first time I found it in the document.

[1:47:34] » Oh yeah. [snorts] Okay.

[1:47:47] Did you merge it to this room or

[1:47:49] something? [snorts]

[1:47:49] >> I don't know what it is.

[1:47:52] That's just a right here.

[1:47:56] >> That page 80.

[1:47:58] >> Get rid of the first one. [cough] First

[1:48:00] one and the second one.

[1:48:02] >> Oh, okay. I'll get rid of the BZA

[1:48:03] [snorts] on the second page.

[1:48:05] >> Yeah.

[1:48:06] >> Is that right? We do have it.

[1:48:16] » Okay. What did you have on 80, Dave? Um,

[1:48:21] I have a note on the bottom of the media

[1:48:25] paragraph

[1:48:26] where we need to add the Carol Media

[1:48:29] Center where they film, [snorts] record,

[1:48:32] and broadcast town meetings.

[1:48:46] So, was that at the end of that

[1:48:48] paragraph?

[1:48:49] >> Well, I think we should probably put it

[1:48:50] up

[1:48:51] >> included in with

[1:48:52] >> it says the town publishes a quarterly

[1:48:54] newsletter. Uh, Dire says and then where

[1:48:58] it says additionally.

[1:49:00] >> No, I don't want where. Okay, there you

[1:49:02] go. Yes, town publishes accordingly

[1:49:04] newsletter. Okay.

[1:49:05] >> So, I don't know the the all those other

[1:49:07] things. Some of them happen, some of

[1:49:09] them don't. But we know probably the

[1:49:10] Carol Media Center should be first

[1:49:12] because they're the ones that are the

[1:49:13] most active with

[1:49:15] >> I don't know where but YouTube. We watch

[1:49:18] town meetings on YouTube.

[1:49:21] >> Sure. The Carol Media Center is the one

[1:49:23] that pops all that stuff out there.

[1:49:25] >> Yeah. [snorts]

[1:49:29] » Okay. So after the news article

[1:49:32] [clears throat]

[1:49:33] >> and then there's that first pair that

[1:49:34] additionally there are variety of print

[1:49:36] online numerous television

[1:49:38] [snorts]

[1:49:39] that

[1:49:40] >> that may include Carol County Connie and

[1:49:41] then so I guess right before that where

[1:49:43] it says WTTR

[1:49:45] >> okay

[1:49:46] >> I'd probably stick it there

[1:49:50] » WTTR has no local news at all anymore

[1:49:53] >> well I mean I I don't know any the rest

[1:49:55] of that stuff if it can go if what's

[1:49:57] true and what's not true there. So I

[1:49:59] don't know [clears throat]

[1:50:02] [snorts]

[1:50:02] >> I don't have the cable TV so I don't

[1:50:04] know if channel 19 21 all those things

[1:50:06] are right or wrong. So if any of you

[1:50:08] guys know

[1:50:09] >> they're not like live stream

[1:50:13] later in the week it might be

[1:50:16] >> they do they have some they do

[1:50:19] >> they have some events still have but

[1:50:22] >> on the I yeah WTR but see

[1:50:25] >> they don't have any news at all not even

[1:50:28] national news anymore

[1:50:31] >> I'm not saying that that

[1:50:32] >> community county

[1:50:34] >> they have community events on there

[1:50:35] >> community media Community Media Center,

[1:50:38] CMC.

[1:50:40] [clears throat]

[1:50:42] >> The car, say it again. This what it's

[1:50:45] the

[1:50:46] >> Is it the Carol County Community Media

[1:50:48] Center or is it just

[1:50:49] >> I would think so. I've only dealt with

[1:50:51] it as the community media center, but um

[1:50:54] >> I'm assuming I'm in the community,

[1:50:56] >> right?

[1:51:05] They film, record, and broadcast town

[1:51:09] meetings.

[1:51:17] » Well,

[1:51:18] >> oh, they just

[1:51:19] >> town council meetings and and planning

[1:51:22] commission. We say meetings, it's not

[1:51:24] really all meetings. It's just the the

[1:51:26] public meetings or what do you want to

[1:51:28] >> I guess you could say public meeting.

[1:51:30] Okay.

[1:51:31] >> It's just refers as community media

[1:51:33] center.

[1:51:34] >> Yeah,

[1:51:34] >> that's just called the community media

[1:51:36] center.

[1:51:41] » That's their official 501c title.

[1:52:01] » [clears throat]

[1:52:18] >> the community media center film, record

[1:52:21] and broadcast

[1:52:25] all Town Council and Planning

[1:52:26] Commission.

[1:52:27] >> Public meetings within the town.

[1:52:29] >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. Public meetings within

[1:52:32] the town. Okay, that's good.

[1:52:34] >> That's [snorts] very good.

[1:52:57] Yeah, I have no idea about the cable

[1:52:58] stuff.

[1:53:00] >> Well, you can air.

[1:53:01] >> I wouldn't be too specific about

[1:53:03] anything related to cable. It's changing

[1:53:05] that that whole industry is changing so

[1:53:07] dramatically

[1:53:08] >> that you know, who knows what's going to

[1:53:10] be available in two years. Yeah,

[1:53:21] where it says citizen information

[1:53:23] sources and we have nothing underneath

[1:53:25] it. Do we want to remove that?

[1:53:36] Oh,

[1:53:38] >> I kind of was looking at that as the

[1:53:40] heading

[1:53:40] >> the heading for

[1:53:41] >> for media Oh, I had dot dot. Okay.

[1:53:46] >> By the way, here it is in here. It

[1:53:48] doesn't call it the Carol Media Center,

[1:53:49] but it does say that the uh the new

[1:53:52] channel devoted to Carol County

[1:53:53] government to broadcast public meetings,

[1:53:56] events, and other programs. Isn't that

[1:53:58] Carol Media?

[1:54:19] Okay. And I'm sorry, Kevin. What did you

[1:54:21] have?

[1:54:23] >> Nothing.

[1:54:24] >> Well, he had good stuff. We we we fixed.

[1:54:26] >> We already discussed it. I was

[1:54:28] overruled.

[1:54:29] >> Okay.

[1:54:29] [laughter]

[1:54:34] » Sure.

[1:54:34] >> Does nobody has anything else? Okay.

[1:54:36] >> Uh could add that the town has a

[1:54:39] Facebook page.

[1:54:41] Yeah. In addition to the website,

[1:54:47] » a nice paragraph under internet.

[1:54:50] >> Oh yeah. Okay.

[1:54:52] >> I think the the first par the first

[1:54:54] sentence of that we need to get rid of

[1:54:56] growing.

[1:54:58] >> The internet is a growing resource of

[1:54:59] information. I think we're past that

[1:55:01] stage. It's just a it's just a s

[1:55:03] resource.

[1:55:04] >> Just strike the word growing. We had

[1:55:06] somebody knock on our door this evening

[1:55:08] at 5:30 for um fiber.

[1:55:11] >> That was Esther.

[1:55:13] Hoffman.

[1:55:15] >> Yes, it was. [clears throat]

[1:55:15] >> Yes, it was. [laughter]

[1:55:16] >> I didn't know till she left. I was

[1:55:19] >> Yes.

[1:55:22] » coming here.

[1:55:25] >> I have Antito

[1:55:28] broadband. Aren't you out here?

[1:55:30] [clears throat]

[1:55:31] >> Very fast.

[1:55:33] Very happy with that. So the contract

[1:55:35] will be out here.

[1:55:35] >> Not initially, but I solved the problem

[1:55:38] I had.

[1:55:41] » All right.

[1:55:43] >> So I did you have

[1:55:45] >> struck the word.

[1:55:46] >> Okay.

[1:55:48] >> So you maintain the website you say

[1:55:51] Facebook page.

[1:55:55] » Where did you want to stick that?

[1:55:56] >> I guess that last paragraph.

[1:56:00] [snorts]

[1:56:00] >> Okay.

[1:56:01] Tommy maintains a website and Facebook

[1:56:03] presence or Facebook page, whatever you

[1:56:04] want to say.

[1:56:05] >> Same information on the town's website.

[1:56:07] [laughter]

[1:56:11] » I'm I'm just scorekeeper. So I'm I'm

[1:56:14] >> You got it.

[1:56:14] >> No.

[1:56:15] >> Okay. Under internet

[1:56:18] third paragraph.

[1:56:19] >> Third paragraph. Okay. Maintains a

[1:56:22] website.

[1:56:22] >> Maintains a website and Facebook

[1:56:24] >> Facebook page

[1:56:25] >> page.

[1:56:37] All righty.

[1:56:37] >> Anybody else have anything on page 81?

[1:56:46] » How about 82?

[1:56:47] >> 82.

[1:56:49] >> On 82.

[1:56:57] » Okay. 83. We need to remove that uh

[1:57:00] disable.

[1:57:02] >> Yep. It's gone.

[1:57:03] >> It's gone. Okay. Anything else?

[1:57:05] >> Anything else on 83?

[1:57:11] » Just that top

[1:57:12] >> 84.

[1:57:14] >> Rolling.

[1:57:16] Going to chapter 13. [clears throat]

[1:57:18] >> Yep. 84. Anything?

[1:57:21] 85.

[1:57:27] Mhm. [clears throat]

[1:57:33] » 86.

[1:57:36] [cough and clears throat]

[1:57:36] >> 86 mark is where we have that council of

[1:57:38] governments.

[1:57:41] >> Yes, I looked it up.

[1:57:44] >> There is no formal or permanent council

[1:57:46] of governments in Carol County. Instead,

[1:57:49] municipal collaboration between the

[1:57:51] county and its eight incorporated towns

[1:57:53] are facilitated primarily through the

[1:57:56] Maryland Municipal League, Carol County

[1:57:58] Chapter. Here it is. I'll give it to

[1:58:00] you. Type it in.

[1:58:01] >> Right. There you go.

[1:58:02] >> So, this

[1:58:04] council of government used to be a

[1:58:06] council of government.

[1:58:07] >> That's what goes in

[1:58:07] >> a long time ago. That's what they called

[1:58:09] it, but it's gone.

[1:58:18] You know what?

[1:58:20] >> We have that on the next page.

[1:58:21] >> I'll do this.

[1:58:22] >> We have the MML on the next page.

[1:58:24] >> Page 86

[1:58:26] Council of Governments, Mark. So, if you

[1:58:28] need to write that on a piece of paper,

[1:58:29] >> I will

[1:58:36] council governments. This will replace

[1:58:38] what's here.

[1:58:42] Okay. Page 87.

[1:58:45] I believe the membership and

[1:58:47] participation in Baltimore Metropolitan

[1:58:50] Council can be removed. It's not

[1:58:53] applicable to New Windsor.

[1:59:00] Okay. So that whole

[1:59:06] membership Baltimore Metro Council gone

[1:59:09] take it all out.

[1:59:10] >> Yes.

[1:59:11] >> Okay.

[1:59:13] Anything else on 87? Anybody?

[1:59:16] 88.

[1:59:23] [clears throat]

[1:59:25] I had a um on 88 I had a question mark

[1:59:28] there. We have no fiscal implications

[1:59:31] section

[1:59:34] like we did for the other.

[1:59:37] Oh, we just made two of them listed.

[1:59:39] There's no physical impact. The last

[1:59:40] tail, we didn't call it a section.

[1:59:44] recommended actions. We did not

[1:59:46] >> It wasn't the original one. [laughter]

[1:59:48] We don't need to have it there then.

[1:59:50] >> Yeah.

[1:59:51] >> That's I think it wasn't the original.

[1:59:52] That's why we did it that way.

[1:59:53] >> Yeah. All right.

[1:59:56] Uh page 89

[2:00:00] community design. Yes.

[2:00:01] >> Yes. Did you change the the table

[2:00:04] numbers? Are they in sync now?

[2:00:05] >> Yeah, they're all in sync now. Yes.

[2:00:07] >> And I had nothing else on those pages.

[2:00:10] 99. How about 90? Anybody? You got the

[2:00:14] tables right?

[2:00:15] >> Yep.

[2:00:15] >> Okay, cool. Anything on 90? 91

[2:00:26] mobile home on there.

[2:00:31] » We're going to see who catches that. Who

[2:00:33] finds it?

[2:00:34] >> Yeah. [laughter]

[2:00:35] Keep moving.

[2:00:37] >> How about 92?

[2:00:41] I had a question under down towards the

[2:00:45] bottom of the page under current

[2:00:46] affordable housing programs. We have uh

[2:00:49] something in PNS there. It says or in

[2:00:52] bold

[2:00:52] >> bold roughly

[2:00:53] >> whatever roughly 25 households.

[2:00:55] >> Yeah.

[2:00:57] >> Is that accurate? Is it true? Do we

[2:01:00] really know that?

[2:01:03] No,

[2:01:06] >> I don't know the number, but I know that

[2:01:08] there are a few.

[2:01:11] >> Just say a percentage of

[2:01:14] >> use any number.

[2:01:14] >> Don't use a number. Then just put there

[2:01:16] are households within New Windsor.

[2:01:18] >> Yes.

[2:01:21] >> Exactly.

[2:01:22] >> Okay. So, let's Why don't we do this?

[2:01:24] >> So, I understand. So, there's

[2:01:28] >> just change it to the R. Yeah.

[2:01:30] >> 10%. So

[2:01:34] » within News area

[2:01:36] >> 10% just say they are there are

[2:01:40] >> don't even put a percentage in there.

[2:01:46] » Sure.

[2:01:47] >> There are households within New Wor area

[2:01:49] currently receiving some sort of housing

[2:01:51] assistance.

[2:01:52] >> Yeah.

[2:01:53] Don't lock yourself.

[2:01:54] >> I would lock Yeah.

[2:01:57] put a number that's ever changing

[2:01:59] >> because there always will be. So, we're

[2:02:01] always correct.

[2:02:04] >> I know if you

[2:02:05] >> Anybody else have uh anything on 92? How

[2:02:08] about 93?

[2:02:09] >> On 92 there's a there's some weird uh

[2:02:13] font issues on that page of

[2:02:16] >> Okay.

[2:02:18] >> So, fiddle page.

[2:02:19] >> Okay. All right. 93.

[2:02:24] Okay. Okay. 94.

[2:02:28] Fiscal implications at the bottom can be

[2:02:30] removed. Did you do that one?

[2:02:32] >> Yep. Gone.

[2:02:33] >> Perfect. How about 95?

[2:02:44] » 96.

[2:02:47] We need to change that to uh 2026.

[2:02:52] >> No.

[2:02:52] because we that's what we had. We

[2:02:55] got the the

[2:02:56] >> You got it.

[2:02:56] >> Yeah. No, it's 2025 land use

[2:02:59] designations is what we got.

[2:03:02] >> That's the uh the land use designation.

[2:03:05] >> No, no, no.

[2:03:06] >> The the first line.

[2:03:07] >> The first line.

[2:03:08] >> The new Windsor Community Comprehensive

[2:03:10] Plan.

[2:03:10] >> Sorry, I thought you were talking about

[2:03:12] changing.

[2:03:12] >> I need to see it now. Right.

[2:03:13] >> Yes, I did change out there.

[2:03:15] >> That's all I had.

[2:03:22] Thank you, Dave.

[2:03:25] >> No, you brought us in late.

[2:03:26] >> I brought you in, though.

[2:03:27] >> You did. You brought us in quick, Dave.

[2:03:31] you

[2:03:33] brought us in fast. Fast and hot.

[2:03:35] [laughter]

[2:03:36] >> Dave, Dave, take that white.

[2:03:39] >> Take that white tube that's there.

[2:03:43] >> Okay. And one end of it is a little

[2:03:45] white button. Give it a push.

[2:03:50] There you go.

[2:03:51] >> [laughter]

[2:03:51] >> That's a CATION

[2:03:58] [laughter]

[2:04:04] out of there.

[2:04:05] >> No, that's when

[2:04:08] we have to clean it up. [laughter]

[2:04:10] >> I I was at a wedding in North Carolina

[2:04:12] last night about 1:00 and we were

[2:04:14] wrapping up. I decided to grab some of

[2:04:16] those that

[2:04:17] >> I think it's completely appropriate.

[2:04:20] >> So,

[2:04:20] >> okay. So, now what?

[2:04:23] >> So, um I make a motion we approve.

[2:04:28] Second. All in favor say I.

[2:04:31] >> [laughter]

[2:04:31] >> So what we have

[2:04:34] I I don't I I can turn take this now

[2:04:39] >> and forward this on because I've gone

[2:04:41] through and done all the little changes

[2:04:43] that we just did tonight.

[2:04:44] >> That last little piece of paper you

[2:04:46] have.

[2:04:47] >> Good point. Yes.

[2:04:49] >> Well, that's the next question. Um, I

[2:04:51] reminded Ethan last week before I left

[2:04:54] that he uh uh he said he was going to

[2:04:56] give me who we would need to forward

[2:04:59] this on to next. He said he had

[2:05:01] >> he's still looking at them from the

[2:05:02] county.

[2:05:03] >> Yes.

[2:05:04] >> But he had when he did it for what did

[2:05:06] he say? Manchester

[2:05:09] >> was it Hamstead one of them.

[2:05:10] >> They're the same, aren't they? Hamstead.

[2:05:11] Manchester North County.

[2:05:13] >> Hamster.

[2:05:14] >> Yeah, Hamch. When he was he said they

[2:05:17] had just done this a couple of months

[2:05:19] ago. Yeah, they were working on their

[2:05:21] >> Yes. So he So he said the first step was

[2:05:23] so he would send me who it needed to go

[2:05:25] to and I've reminded him that I still

[2:05:27] needed that.

[2:05:28] >> Okay. So is there anything else that we

[2:05:32] know of

[2:05:34] that needs to be looked at or reviewed?

[2:05:37] Now,

[2:05:38] um I think so and it's not not not

[2:05:42] substantive so much as structural and

[2:05:45] some of this is just me and I will I

[2:05:48] will not insist but if you have five

[2:05:50] sections and four of them say the goal

[2:05:54] is blah and the fifth one doesn't

[2:05:57] mention that that things should match

[2:06:00] >> things should m because I'm telling you

[2:06:01] the M MDP wants things to match. So,

[2:06:04] I've started in my own neurotic way. Um,

[2:06:08] so, so look for those things cuz I know

[2:06:11] we've gone through this substance. So,

[2:06:13] there might be and I know Dave is

[2:06:15] probably way better at that stuff than I am. um finding and not to find

[2:06:21] fault but just to find things that maybe

[2:06:27] want to be finished or or revisited

[2:06:30] before it's printed in however many I

[2:06:33] don't have a hard copy of it. I'm

[2:06:35] looking at it on the machine. I've never

[2:06:37] had a hard copy of it since the original

[2:06:39] one.

[2:06:40] >> Oh, actually I sent it to you three

[2:06:41] weeks ago.

[2:06:42] >> Oh, I have it. It's on the machine.

[2:06:43] >> Oh, yeah. On the machine. So, um would

[2:06:45] you like a hard copy? I can certainly

[2:06:47] get you.

[2:06:47] >> Well, No, cuz I'm I'm looking at it now

[2:06:49] on the machine to see before we print it

[2:06:52] off if anybody else feels that they're

[2:06:54] want to do that or if that's just me, in

[2:06:57] which case I'll stop.

[2:06:58] >> Well, I went I went through it as

[2:07:00] thoroughly as I could trying to catch

[2:07:02] those kind of nuances. Now, I don't know

[2:07:05] that I would willing to bet I didn't

[2:07:06] catch them all. So, there could be some

[2:07:09] stuff like that, but I did I did balance

[2:07:12] page numbers. I bounced paragraph

[2:07:13] numbers. I tried to find the consistency

[2:07:16] between the the different sections.

[2:07:19] That's why I threw fiscal, you know,

[2:07:20] those

[2:07:21] >> and that's already been part of our

[2:07:22] discussion.

[2:07:23] >> Right. So,

[2:07:24] >> you've done it. I'm confident to the

[2:07:26] best of my ability

[2:07:28] >> and I've also gone through and what I

[2:07:31] mean put out there this hard copy was as

[2:07:35] close as I felt like I could come with

[2:07:38] getting those to match up. So, the table

[2:07:41] numbers, pages, and all of that. Um, and consistency when we reference

[2:07:47] something back and forth. Um, so what

[2:07:51] you had there is hard copy was the best

[2:07:53] I could do at that time. And if you've

[2:07:55] looked through it, I think that's two

[2:07:58] screenings that we've done and we've all

[2:08:00] kind of had also had a chance to

[2:08:03] send this out again.

[2:08:04] >> Now, will your table of contents get

[2:08:07] updated to reflect? Okay. Cuz I even did

[2:08:09] that as I went through it. Okay. which,

[2:08:11] you know, it's already changed now

[2:08:13] because of a couple things we just took

[2:08:14] out,

[2:08:15] >> right?

[2:08:15] >> So, yeah.

[2:08:16] >> So, I guess until you clean up all the

[2:08:18] font, make that all the same, you'll be

[2:08:20] able to put in your pages or

[2:08:22] >> Yeah, it's all done. It's already been

[2:08:24] done. Yeah.

[2:08:24] >> How about that little note that I Well,

[2:08:26] cuz you were out of town, I think, when

[2:08:28] I sent that about that. I had written a note about the density

[2:08:35] >> and the anticipated density and the hot

[2:08:37] property. Okay.

[2:08:38] >> And then I got an email from Gary

[2:08:40] telling me that my numbers were wrong.

[2:08:42] >> Okay.

[2:08:42] >> So no, I have not seen.

[2:08:44] >> All right. You know what?

[2:08:46] >> I give that to you.

[2:08:47] >> Okay. Now can't say I haven't seen it.

[2:08:50] Okay.

[2:08:50] >> There you go.

[2:08:53] >> That's what he's talking about. And I

[2:08:55] said, I got that from the current draft.

[2:08:57] We'll fix it. But that's where the note

[2:08:59] was. So you may now

[2:09:02] >> Thank you.

[2:09:05] [snorts]

[2:09:10] for that. So I think this ended at what

[2:09:13] 96 or yeah 96 we are going to finish at

[2:09:17] 92.

[2:09:18] >> Oh good.

[2:09:19] >> So my things we have taken out further

[2:09:22] we started at 160 couple

[2:09:25] >> so

[2:09:27] >> um

[2:09:27] >> efficiency through government. Love it.

[2:09:30] >> I'm not sure how efficient this process

[2:09:33] has been.

[2:09:34] >> Not at all. Okay. Um,

[2:09:38] I will make the changes we just talked

[2:09:41] about and I will send it around again.

[2:09:45] Um, but at the same time, it's going to

[2:09:48] go off to whoever Ethan says is the next

[2:09:52] step and he said there were a variety of

[2:09:54] places.

[2:09:54] >> Yeah, there's a bunch of boxes that have

[2:09:55] to go.

[2:09:56] >> Um,

[2:09:57] >> including Ethan's office.

[2:09:58] >> Yes. Now, he does have it himself.

[2:10:01] >> He has the whole thing, not just in his

[2:10:02] Yeah, I gave him the whole thing because

[2:10:04] I He had never seen it at all.

[2:10:06] >> That's true.

[2:10:07] >> And I felt like he needed Yes.

[2:10:10] >> You would think there would be some

[2:10:11] transitioning.

[2:10:13] >> No, but that's that's a pain and useless

[2:10:15] hope.

[2:10:16] >> Yes. That's government doesn't.

[2:10:19] Okay. So, um

[2:10:21] >> why don't we start on the next revision?

[2:10:24] Yeah. [laughter]

[2:10:25] >> Well, I wanted to ask you out of here.

[2:10:29] Did anybody catch what he said about I

[2:10:31] think it was Manchester. They've done

[2:10:33] two amendments to their 2010

[2:10:35] >> comprehensive plan.

[2:10:36] >> I did hear that.

[2:10:38] >> Yeah. So,

[2:10:39] >> you know, maybe we don't have to.

[2:10:42] >> Believe me, you are not the only people

[2:10:43] who um may appear to be somewhat

[2:10:46] dilatory.

[2:10:49] uh I sent around in your book here in

[2:10:52] the very front my initial key points

[2:10:57] that I was going to put in the cover

[2:10:59] letter. I'll just ask if there are if

[2:11:02] you would take a look at that again and

[2:11:05] see if there's anything that you would

[2:11:07] like or suggest added to that. Uh we're

[2:11:10] not at the point cuz it's not going to

[2:11:11] be turned over to town council yet.

[2:11:13] >> Mhm. But I feel like they point out some

[2:11:17] things to them. One of them may be going

[2:11:19] away, which was the Snater property, but

[2:11:21] certainly the Hoff is is is is

[2:11:25] you know, right now it's in our GAB and

[2:11:27] there's no likelihood that's going to

[2:11:29] change from our perspective.

[2:11:32] We need to um

[2:11:36] I had the beginning of chapter 3

[2:11:39] verbiage.

[2:11:41] So there's there's verbiage up at the

[2:11:44] beginning of chapter 3 that gives some

[2:11:48] history. The New Windsor Planning

[2:11:49] Commission began its review blah blah. So I think that information at the

[2:11:54] beginning of chapter 3 can go in the

[2:11:56] letter to the

[2:11:58] >> Oh,

[2:12:00] let me get to chapter 3 here so

[2:12:02] [clears throat] I can see what spec

[2:12:06] here.

[2:12:06] >> Mhm.

[2:12:11] And I think from a from the legal

[2:12:13] perspective as once this is completely

[2:12:17] cleaned up and finished with tonight's

[2:12:19] comments and everything else um if

[2:12:23] you're not ready to send it send it to

[2:12:26] the council.

[2:12:28] It would be prudent even though I know

[2:12:29] we we've discussed and voted on a couple

[2:12:31] of specifics.

[2:12:33] You need to have a resol not necessarily

[2:12:36] a resolution. You need to have something

[2:12:38] in your in your formalizing

[2:12:41] that you have finished it and here it is

[2:12:46] and send that to to the council as well.

[2:12:49] Another another step

[2:12:52] from here.

[2:12:54] >> Can I just

[2:12:55] >> maybe maybe that's not what you had

[2:12:56] contemplated

[2:12:59] >> just I mean you know

[2:13:00] >> okay we finished it and it's now been

[2:13:02] forwarded on to these bodies for their

[2:13:05] review. Well,

[2:13:06] >> you mean like coming to do that?

[2:13:08] >> Yes, we make a motion to something that

[2:13:12] is reflected in your minutes

[2:13:14] >> that you have completed that you haven't

[2:13:16] really completed because we made changes

[2:13:19] tonight. There's a change in the note.

[2:13:21] There's

[2:13:23] >> another hard copy that's complete

[2:13:25] >> that Gary and and Ethan were talking

[2:13:27] about for the war of sewer. I don't have

[2:13:29] the maps and I don't have the maps on

[2:13:31] the computer

[2:13:34] and I know and I share everyone's

[2:13:37] eagerness to devest ourselves of this

[2:13:39] piece of paper at least for a while. Um,

[2:13:43] but I I want to make sure that all the

[2:13:45] formal steps are taken that are required

[2:13:49] by the law and

[2:13:52] >> well I I I will add that what Ethan said

[2:13:54] to me when we talked about this that

[2:14:00] This is what it looks like today, right?

[2:14:02] >> There are things in process.

[2:14:04] >> Oh yeah.

[2:14:05] >> Just like we know like the Hoff property

[2:14:06] and the others and

[2:14:09] you know he's having this discussion

[2:14:10] with Gary. So he says that's all going

[2:14:13] to be that that is supposed to be caught

[2:14:15] by them and and their

[2:14:17] >> Okay. Well, good. Because I know that

[2:14:19] the whole water sewer plan and the map

[2:14:20] numbers and things like that may have to

[2:14:22] be changed. Well, the water resource

[2:14:23] element, you know, when we we first got

[2:14:26] talking about that, I think that was his

[2:14:27] first time here and we we were we were

[2:14:29] chatting about that. He says that's all

[2:14:31] part of their

[2:14:31] >> it's all part of what they're doing.

[2:14:33] People get comment

[2:14:35] >> because again the same idea you were

[2:14:36] doing talking about with Dave that you

[2:14:39] know they're going to make sure that the

[2:14:40] pieces match up not only ours but with

[2:14:43] theirs their scheme.

[2:14:45] >> I'm not a trusting individual.

[2:14:47] >> Yeah, I I'm not either. I think it's

[2:14:48] much easier when it's hard copy than

[2:14:50] when you start having it all in here.

[2:14:51] Yeah, I'm a hard copy person.

[2:14:53] >> I think I had Mark where you're where

[2:14:54] you're saying we went from whatever 160

[2:14:57] pages down to 92. Um, you need to say we

[2:15:01] did that by removing the bulk of the non

[2:15:03] New Windsor verbiage that was typically

[2:15:06] Carol County related.

[2:15:07] >> Yeah, there's a lot of extraneous stuff

[2:15:09] in there.

[2:15:10] >> So, just because they're going to wonder

[2:15:12] what the heck we cut out. Well, we cut

[2:15:14] out most of the stuff was Carol County

[2:15:17] related verbiage

[2:15:20] >> and it's page 171 to 96.

[2:15:25] » What was that?

[2:15:26] >> 171. Is that what it was?

[2:15:28] >> The last one was 171.

[2:15:30] >> Yeah.

[2:15:31] >> And we're down to 92.

[2:15:33] >> Nice.

[2:15:41] Amazing.

[2:15:43] right here in New Zealand.

[2:15:45] >> Yes, indeed. Better not say that makes

[2:15:48] America leaner. Making government leaner

[2:15:50] for the people. It would make me leaner.

[2:15:55] » All righty.

[2:15:57] >> Citizens at work.

[2:15:59] Citizens on patrol.

[2:16:02] >> Okay, let's see. Um, oh, so

[2:16:07] you think we [clears throat] should have

[2:16:08] a motion that you know or that that's

[2:16:12] that the minutes recognize?

[2:16:14] >> I think the minutes are adequate to

[2:16:17] reflect that the review is complete, but

[2:16:20] [clears throat] the we don't have a

[2:16:22] final

[2:16:24] >> paper. Our draft is complete, but the

[2:16:27] review is

[2:16:27] >> Yes, the review Yeah, our draft is

[2:16:29] complete. The [clears throat] and we're

[2:16:30] being reviewed at the county level and

[2:16:33] state.

[2:16:34] >> When everybody is satisfied with that,

[2:16:35] it'll be forwarded through the process.

[2:16:37] >> Through the process, including the

[2:16:39] 60-day review.

[2:16:40] >> Yeah.

[2:16:41] >> Yes.

[2:16:42] >> Which then it will go to the council.

[2:16:45] >> After goes

[2:16:47] are considered. Yes.

[2:16:49] >> Yeah. It has to go to them first cuz all

[2:16:50] the comments any comments we get, we

[2:16:52] have to we have to decide if we're going

[2:16:54] to act on them and incorporate them or

[2:16:57] reject them and if so, why and blah blah blah. And I will hearken back

[2:17:03] to what did uh Ethan say when he

[2:17:06] reviewed

[2:17:07] >> I guess it was Manchester's.

[2:17:08] >> Oh yeah. They had like 72 or something.

[2:17:10] >> Yeah. Yeah. Like 72 comments on theirs.

[2:17:12] So and they have a professional planner

[2:17:14] on their staff. So

[2:17:17] >> we can beat them.

[2:17:18] >> No. Well, we can beat them.

[2:17:20] >> Will this be posted like on the town's

[2:17:22] website for public review?

[2:17:24] >> Not yet.

[2:17:25] >> But I mean will that be the process or

[2:17:27] >> Oh, there's got to be public hearings on

[2:17:29] this thing.

[2:17:30] >> Yeah. that.

[2:17:31] >> That's why it's not going to be until

[2:17:32] next year to wear shirts.

[2:17:34] >> Yes. That's why you have to have shirts.

[2:17:36] >> That's right. [laughter]

[2:17:39] >> Target is a target. Exactly.

[2:17:43] >> Bullseye on the back. [laughter]

[2:17:46] >> So, upcoming meetings. Our next meeting

[2:17:48] would is scheduled for Monday 10:26

[2:17:52] at 6.

[2:17:53] >> I will not be in attendance.

[2:17:54] >> You will not be. Okay. I I will let me

[2:17:56] know but for certain I will not be here.

[2:17:59] >> And then but you'll be here in spirit.

[2:18:02] >> You'll be here.

[2:18:02] >> I'll be here.

[2:18:04] >> Um and then the uh next one after that

[2:18:06] is Monday the 23rd and um we always get

[2:18:10] a little dicey around Thanksgiving and

[2:18:12] Christmas for our meetings. So, um, we

[2:18:16] can discuss next month what it looks

[2:18:18] like for people whether that's, you

[2:18:20] know, we'll have a a quorum or not for

[2:18:22] the 23rd, but the 26th of October for

[2:18:26] sure. Don't forget music on the main

[2:18:28] this weekend

[2:18:30] and that is 126 still.

[2:18:32] >> Correct.

[2:18:33] >> Okay. Any other announcements?

[2:18:37] >> When's Meatloaf?

[2:18:39] >> Tomorrow night.

[2:18:40] All right. Drew's famous

[2:18:42] meat globe.

[2:18:45] Okay, I jump on that.

[2:18:47] >> You really should. Up here at Bingo.

[2:18:49] Absolutely. People from all around. I

[2:18:52] know people that have come from Anaonda

[2:18:53] County from uh uh where were they?

[2:18:56] >> I'm going to meet I love Virginia.

[2:18:59] >> Ronaldo, Virginia. [laughter]

[2:19:01] All righty. Any other

[2:19:04] Oh. Um,

[2:19:06] next meeting I will also

[2:19:10] I'll chat with you and then I'll I don't

[2:19:13] know if they will let me borrow that.

[2:19:14] Does Kim have one of those

[2:19:16] >> one? What?

[2:19:16] >> One of those binders with the code in

[2:19:18] it.

[2:19:19] >> She better. Yes,

[2:19:20] >> she better. Okay. Then I'll look in

[2:19:22] there and and and ask you get your view

[2:19:25] because I I think we need to start

[2:19:27] reviewing some sections of the

[2:19:29] >> Oh, yeah. On the code and the charter.

[2:19:30] We've been talking about that. And we

[2:19:32] have, let's not all forget,

[2:19:34] >> um, accessory dwelling units.

[2:19:37] >> Um, I don't think we need a lot of

[2:19:40] complex changes to our code, but there

[2:19:43] are some things that will need to be

[2:19:45] added to little things that are in the

[2:19:47] state law.

[2:19:49] >> Well, can you I know you're paid by the

[2:19:52] hour by the town. Can can we can you

[2:19:54] help me with the agenda for next meeting

[2:19:57] as opposed to chronologically going

[2:19:59] through this?

[2:20:00] >> We can selectively

[2:20:02] >> I think I understand. Yeah, let's just

[2:20:03] talk about it.

[2:20:04] >> Yeah, we'll just talk about it. Okay.

[2:20:06] All right. So, coming attraction just

[2:20:08] when you thought we could go back to

[2:20:09] meeting two or three times a year.

[2:20:11] >> It's never safe to go back in the water.

[2:20:13] >> Yeah. Yes. Yes. All righty. I'm still

[2:20:17] confused about what we're doing with the

[2:20:18] sneakers.

[2:20:20] >> Well, confused right now. We're doing

[2:20:22] nothing.

[2:20:22] >> Yes, we're doing nothing. All righty.

[2:20:25] Can I get a motion to adjurnn?

[2:20:27] >> Yeah, baby.

[2:20:28] >> You can.

[2:20:28] >> Motion to adjurnn.

[2:20:29] >> Motion by Kevin. [clears throat] Second

[2:20:31] by

[2:20:32] >> I'll second.

[2:20:32] >> We're Rebecca there on the board. All

[2:20:34] those in favor signify by I.

[2:20:36] >> I opposed.

[2:20:39] >> Okay.

[2:20:40] >> Was going to be [laughter] but no.

New Windsor Planning Commission Meeting 9-28-2026

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