[9:42] Let's talk about an approval of tonight's agenda. And if you're if

[9:44] you're willing, uh, give me a motion and also have a look at minutes from our

[9:48] last meeting.

[9:55] Go ahead and make a motion to approve the agenda for those three speech. I

[10:00] have a motion

[10:04] and a second from Nathan. That motion is to approve last minutes meeting and

[10:08] tonight's agenda. Any discussion on that, please?

[10:11] Seeing none, those in favor, please say I. I. Any oppose? Okay. Motion passes.

[10:17] Appreciate it. Cheryl, great job on the minutes as always. your argument. Uh,

[10:22] now we can do public comment period. I'm in a hurry because I know Kendall is got

[10:27] another appointment tonight. So, um, not that not that not that you have to say

[10:32] anything. This is open mic uh moment for anyone who would like to address the

[10:36] council about any topic that they would like to. Um,

[10:42] you can you can uh can like I think if you're here, that's what I'm trying to

[10:47] say. If you're here for another agenda item uh and you are proponent or uh

[10:53] involved in that agenda item, we'll give you plenty of time to speak on that

[10:56] agenda item. So, you don't have to address the council at this moment.

[11:00] You're welcome to. Uh with that, Kendall Welker

[11:05] [clears throat] 4,300

[11:13] » that I still named. Anyways, just here representing the

[11:18] parks and wreck to give you a little bit of an update on our meeting last night.

[11:21] We hadn't met for two months because summer gets crazy. Heritage Days, we

[11:25] paid June the July off. Um, one of the items we talked about or we had a

[11:31] presentation from the Cash Valley RC club. Um, and we also had invited Craig

[11:37] Marlo to join us. He was the one that wanted to take the Andrew bike park um

[11:42] and revamp that. and the RC club wants part of that bike the bike bike route

[11:49] for their RC cars. So they presented to us um and we came to a conclusion of

[11:56] Craig was willing to work with them. We said okay you guys work together come up

[11:59] with the proposal come back to us and we'll help you refine it to then come to

[12:04] you guys in the near future. So that was one of the things we talked about. Um,

[12:08] another item was in Norreck as always and we we say in the floor push on don't

[12:15] let things mainly the county stop us. Um, any so that was took a long time to

[12:22] get that to not not to get to that point but lots of discussion. Um, and then the

[12:27] third item um, our committee member Mandy Mandy Leis he has been in theater

[12:34] most of his life. His daughter is a one of our citizens, Allison Leler. She's an

[12:41] updator as well. Anyways, he proposed a while ago about a community theater in

[12:46] Italy. They did a survey results. Um, and so we talked about what the next

[12:52] steps were. Um, and B, he talked about lots of different options that don't

[12:58] cost a lot of money, if any at all. Um and so um we're gonna uh he wants to

[13:05] form a committee, get committee members and then move forward with some things.

[13:09] One of the ideas he talked about was a dinner theater um based on survivor and

[13:16] uh he's like he's done it many many years before. Another one was the

[13:20] nutcracker and having it being a a family friendly nutcracker. Anyways,

[13:25] excited about that. um things things for you guys just to know about and that may

[13:31] come in the future. >> So, perfect.

[13:34] » Um we're not since it's not on since anything you've talked about is not on

[13:38] the agenda, we won't have a policy discussion on it, but we can exchange

[13:42] information. You have questions for Kendall.

[13:48] um of the things you mentioned and talked about moving forward with parks

[13:52] and rec committee. If you need something from the council, then let us know.

[13:57] Please let me just know or a council member.

[14:02] Try to help you help us. >> Okay. Okay.

[14:06] » We got to stop somewhere. >> Thank you, Kendall.

[14:12] Okay. If you're if you just come in, we're in uh public comment period. This

[14:17] is a chance for anyone to speak to the council about anything they would like.

[14:22] If you're here as an affected party of something on the agenda,

[14:27] I've promised residents of 2600 South. Okay. They will have an opportunity to

[14:32] to speak during that agenda item. You have something else. Let's have it.

[14:36] Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank the council and did the

[14:40] work to get it by the pump track. It's awesome.

[14:45] when grandkids haven't give us your name.

[14:49] » Oh, I'm sorry. Can't see. Thank you. >> 13.99.

[14:53] » And then the other thing, but that's that's the good thing. The bad news is

[14:58] got only three days a weekend, but the parking on West during the uh school

[15:06] time exchange, especially for the middle school,

[15:11] total mess. I tried to come down the street the other day with just a tiny

[15:15] trailer and I'm lucky to get out of there without

[15:19] hitting another car. So that's all but u that's just brand new pretty new problem

[15:25] for us. >> Thank you Ken. And again we can exchange

[15:30] information. Um we know of problems with the new middle school and pick up and

[15:34] drop off. 3200 South was certainly affected as well. Um, we'll be chatting

[15:39] with principles and staff to help figure that out. Thanks for your

[15:44] comments. Anyone else like to address the council?

[15:50] Okay. If not, I'll close the public comment period and we will go to

[15:56] planning and planning commission report. Please.

[16:00] » Yes. So, both items that were discussed and considered at planning commission

[16:04] are on the agenda tonight. So I can I can give more detail at at the time u at

[16:10] at that time. >> Perfect. Then we have a chance for brief

[16:15] staff reports. We move this to the front of the meeting so you all don't have to

[16:19] stay all night long. You guys do. But anyway, Steve Talon, do you have

[16:27] anything for us? Go ahead. Steve a licensed public works director.

[16:32] » Yeah, let's take a minute. Uh so for the summer coming to an end, you've all seen

[16:37] 3200 12 West our new road treatment. Um I think we are depleted. We have just a

[16:44] little bit of painting left to do, but it's in anybody's eyesight of what it

[16:49] is. So that was exciting. I don't know. Probably one of the best chip seal

[16:54] projects I've ever been involved in. It was spectacular. The guys really did a

[17:00] great job. I hope everybody else feels the same. There may be some different

[17:05] observations, but yeah, that was good. Um, one other thing, uh, today we added

[17:10] our other employee to the streets department. They just wanted to thank

[17:14] you guys and a thank you from public works for that behalf and it'll be great

[17:20] success to that team and us as [clears throat] well. So, his name's

[17:24] Danny and Lee and I. So, we're excited to add to our team.

[17:31] That's it. Any questions? Eric.

[17:34] » Um, yeah. So, did you work with Logan then? Uh, when they put up the new rapid

[17:40] flashing beacon at the Creek Parker, >> Tom can give us my thought on that. He

[17:47] was very involved. >> And you're welcome to do that now if you

[17:53] invite Tom >> or if we catch any unawares, we can wait

[17:58] till the end of the meeting too. Either way, be glad to be good. So, for a

[18:03] couple years, I've been trying to get Logan to commit to a rapid flashing

[18:06] beacon from Strata that came midblock to the Firefly Park. It seemed like a great

[18:12] opportunity. The the development to the east wasn't done yet. Um, I really

[18:17] didn't want I feel uncomfortable having kids cross on 800 West without

[18:22] supervision. That's one of our bit that is our busiest road in Nipley, believe

[18:26] it or not. that section of 800 West. My efforts failed. The mayor stepped in

[18:32] and Justin stepped in and they collaborated with some higherups and

[18:37] » we didn't achieve a solution. Tom wanted >> no I had to concede to the powers to be

[18:42] but u hopefully one day we will get that mid block crossing so people can use the

[18:46] park and not have to go two blocks to the east. But anyway um they committed

[18:51] to get it done. They tried to get it done before school started. He missed by

[18:55] a day or two, but it's it's now up and functioning.

[19:00] » Yeah. Thank you, Tom. Is that >> Yeah.

[19:04] » Anything else? Uh I I'll say one thing. I said this to Tom. I'll say to you,

[19:10] Steve, as well. I I I was so opposed to Ny City doing Chipsy cuz it doesn't ride

[19:18] a bike well. But this was a good thing. I mean, me back and forth to city hall

[19:25] on 3200 South, I thought the Chipill project was fantastic. I thought it went

[19:30] really well even for cyclists and you can nod your head one way or another or

[19:34] stay out of it if if you could. >> Okay.

[19:37] » Yeah, I [clears throat] think Chip Hill's come a long ways.

[19:39] » It's come a long way since we're not leaving a bunch of a bunch of stuff. Can

[19:44] I add to that? I think we're so used to what Logan does. They have that chip

[19:49] sale and it's slag. They they grabbed slag from new corn. They truck it all

[19:53] winter preparation for that. And so if you're judging that, yeah, I don't like

[19:58] that either. In in this selection, Steve and Chad were very conscious of the bike

[20:03] riders and alternative users. So we selected a product that was more fine in

[20:08] nature, had a lot of fines and would bind really well. And it

[20:13] » And then you got the sealer on it. >> Yeah. And then they sealed that and it

[20:16] just locked everything in. So, right, kudos to Steve and Chad and they did a

[20:20] great job. >> Yeah. And while we're on the the the

[20:23] painted bike lanes on the road, >> appreciated

[20:29] that. Yeah, I see other thumbs up. So, good job. Um, the road is safer for

[20:34] everybody having painted bike lanes. That's advice from the Federal Highway

[20:38] Administration and I see it in action. Great. So,

[20:45] » even though they have painted bike, some of those that do.

[20:49] » Yeah. >> Okay. Sorry. Um, one other thing that we

[20:56] did do, um, the crossing lights down on 12 and 3,00 are now east and west

[21:03] instead of north and south and then east and west. Roundabout. This is on the

[21:08] roundabout. Now that the sidewalk is completed all the way on the south side

[21:13] of 3200. So before we had the two lights on 3200. Now we've switched them to 12.

[21:20] So all our kids are staying on the north side or the south side. South side comes

[21:26] all the way to 9 crosses. So that's one change we made to slope.

[21:33] » Okay. >> All right. So,

[21:36] » and that's in conjunction with principles and school community

[21:40] councils. >> Yeah, we

[21:41] » perfect. We met with them and updated all that stuff. So, they updated their

[21:47] smart plan as well. So, >> okay. Yep. Thanks.

[21:53] Anything else, council? All right. Good job. Thank you. We Let's move on to

[21:58] update from the Nibbly Morgan farm. Roxy, are you the star or is Mike the

[22:04] star or bring your star? >> Forgot to click her

[22:11] gonna tag team us. >> Yeah, here while she

[22:16] » Yeah.

[22:19] » Um here we just started doing our annual

[22:24] review which has been our lease agreement to do so once a year. um we

[22:28] feel like after the fair is a really good time to kind of um let everybody

[22:33] know where we're at and so that's what this is um tonight. So, um, can sorry I

[22:41] need to switch >> and Roxy, can you speak like put your

[22:46] face right in that mic if you lose? >> We're very popular when you get You may

[22:51] not. >> Oh, did you just want to go to the next

[22:53] slide or did you want to go to the video?

[22:56] » Sorry, I thought you meant the video.

[23:06] um way back started. And so just to kind of remind everybody that we are staying

[23:13] within those goals that we did set. Um the Brooklyn is like a historic type of

[23:19] you know we want to take historic feel um take care of the place that way. And

[23:25] then um we also uh have three other goals. One is community garden. Oh,

[23:32] thanks. Um one is community garden, the other is um like kind of a community

[23:38] piece. Um and then thirdly, we have a 4. So we kind of these four things. And so

[23:43] as we go through tonight, we hope that you can see the correlation between

[23:47] those. Um but what we really feel like we really hit a home run in this year

[23:54] was our um outreach, our public any outreach to um any and all. So anyway,

[24:01] that's what we're going to spend just a few highlights really is all we're going

[24:04] to talk about tonight and of course you can any questions. Um so our first one

[24:10] is our flag field. It was wildly popular and we'll go ahead and let Savannah talk

[24:15] about it. um she sort of was the brain behind like had the idea but then she

[24:20] kind of took over on that. >> Yeah. So we we founded in these um flags

[24:28] that we got to us um and it was just like a little we actually had a

[24:34] photographer come one night the day of heritage days and just randomly asked if

[24:39] could take some pictures with the vibes up. So we took some pictures and then we

[24:44] were like, "Hey, we should open this up to lots of people to take pictures." So

[24:48] we posted it about it on our Instagram and we had a lot of interest. We had one

[24:53] or two photographers there at night for about a month. We had people coming down

[24:58] Lake kind of all over cuz it's kind of a unique barn flag escape. Uh, and then

[25:05] someone that was getting to Florida to draw his family, um, and took pictures

[25:09] there. Someone that was just graduating from what was it called? Boot camp came

[25:14] and took pictures. So, there's a fun littleish atmosphere.

[25:19] And incidentally, um, the kids on the screen, the reason we chose this one is

[25:23] because it kind of draws back to Nibbly. Um, these are Ruth's grandkids and those

[25:30] hats on those kids are um her late husband Kelly and her daughter did this

[25:35] beautiful post about him and so we thought that was really appropriate to

[25:41] bring that picture with us and of course we got the [snorts]

[25:45] um all right so here's just a few pictures um we had even like fashion

[25:51] models come which was wildly weird for [laughter]

[25:54] But it's like the real deal, I guess, in the fashion world. Uh, but that's just

[26:00] to share a little bit. Um, if you do get time later, any of these little

[26:03] Instagram things, these are the posts that are related to that event that we

[26:08] that we're talking about. Um, all right, we're going to go ahead and move on and

[26:13] talk about our arm, which has also been super popular.

[26:18] Yeah, I feel like this has really helped on our community outreach this year. um

[26:22] Utah State Extension donated this shed to us. It was their old 4 shed and we

[26:28] had been we tried last year to do a little farm stand and it didn't really

[26:31] work out very good. So we took this opportunity for this week shed um to

[26:37] fill it with products and we really tried to the way it's set up is people

[26:42] who we tried to keep it midly people who came to do it in midly they can sell

[26:48] their products that they make handcrafted products um out of this box

[26:52] and we sell our flowers local honey just a bunch of stuff and

[26:58] it's been a really cool place of community where they'll I don't know can

[27:03] just meet each other and kind of show off your talent. So that means that it's

[27:09] beginning of June. Yeah.

[27:14] And um also the Morgan farm landed in a magazine. I don't know a lot about it.

[27:21] I'm going to be truthful, but it apparently has international reach. Um,

[27:26] so this is part of this picture here that we included is kind of

[27:30] [clears throat] the the main piece. Um, the and then the rest of the story comes

[27:36] later. But, uh, Savannah ended up being in uh, with these other models, which

[27:43] also looks wildly different than the rest. This actually was taken after

[27:47] heritage days, and we were just cleaning up. So, she is not um, model ready, if

[27:53] you will. [snorts] And then there's all these models pictures and then which was

[27:57] pretty funny to see. But um anyway, we thought it was cool. Also, the person

[28:02] who's behind.

[28:12] All right. Um so then we'll talk about the flower garden and some things that

[28:16] we are doing with that. We have some um things we don't use on it. So we'll

[28:22] never talk about those.

[28:27] » Yeah. So our started last year is a big success. Um we hosted lots of events

[28:32] here. We try and keep them really affordable for the community. So we've

[28:38] had a few what we call upic events where the community can come and they kind of

[28:43] get free rain of the flower garden. They can cut whatever flowers they want, make

[28:47] their own bouquet, keep it to a dollar instead just to make it nice and

[28:52] affordable. Um, we did a back to school night. We did a flower crown night.

[28:58] We have like a birthday party which is hosting here.

[29:04] Last year we went um a couple

[29:08] assisted living homes and did like bouquet making or harvested flowers

[29:15] brought them to them and then they were able to kind of create their own bouquet

[29:18] for their their room. Um what events oh we donated to both

[29:25] Ridgeline and Malcross culture class last year and plan to do the same again

[29:29] this year. Um, oh, and this year we also did the

[29:35] flowers for the nibbly nibbly Utah.

[29:41] So, we did all the little bookcase all day. So, it's been a lot of fun. Um, and

[29:46] I feel like it's a big eye catch for new people.

[29:52] Additionally, we use this as an educational space for each kids. um were

[29:57] able to go in and um they helped us with some planting of both the garden and the

[30:04] flowers and then as they check on them grow through the summer they're able to

[30:09] come in and take whatever they want um and do some entries that they're too

[30:14] little.

[30:18] All right. Um, this is the thing that I'm most excited about, but we piloted

[30:23] with um, Utah State University Extension um, some assisted learning. Um, this is

[30:28] kind of a big process and kind of a big deal because every horse that's used has

[30:34] to be safety assessed, which means we have to do a lot of work with these

[30:38] animals. They don't just sit in the field and then get pulled out and used

[30:42] here and there. they're consistently constantly um being desensitized and

[30:47] work with so that they are safe for the people that work with them and we are

[30:52] not the ones that do the assessing. We have um State University does that for

[30:56] us. So, it's a third party. Um, and we were also able to partner with another

[31:03] scale United and we ran um an adult session in the fall and we did a teen

[31:10] session during the winter and um it focused on mental health. And then um in

[31:18] the summer we did um was called 143 and that was quite popular and we are

[31:25] again ready to run that. We have two different sessions going. We have a

[31:28] school session during the day and then we have a public school session um in

[31:33] the earlier like um we posted that yesterday and it is

[31:39] already more than full. And so this is something that's really popular. has a

[31:45] research pieces to it and we'll also detect research on these um kids that

[31:50] came in. We already have everything set up with USU um for uh doing research

[31:56] with you. So um that is ready to go and we're very excited about it.

[32:03] Um here is some of our just to show you like our flyer that went out yesterday

[32:08] and then just a few pictures of some of the um different um sessions that we

[32:15] did. That brings us to the 4

[32:20] and um ultimately they have to be fair rodeo. Um we had a huge group of 4 this

[32:27] year. um or age for some reason we didn't at the office. They didn't have

[32:32] it like listed at a certain age. So we had tons of kids that were younger than

[32:37] they're even supposed to be, but we just ran with it and it was like we're going

[32:41] to pay off every time we had it. But we um took each week was a throw. And so

[32:48] like I said earlier, we started with like the flowers in the garden and got

[32:53] those in the grounded and then we moved on to each week. For example, we did go

[32:58] dogs and I think we did or maybe we did horses so that they have the um that

[33:04] interaction with each of those different types of animals. They were able to

[33:08] learn to deborm goats and what are for and they were able to see how it go from

[33:14] poopy to shaved and what do we do if they're fiber now and this is what it

[33:18] looks like when it comes off. So, we had a lot of different learning

[33:21] opportunities. Um, probably my favorite things

[33:26] and so just enjoying the space. Uh, the goats were probably forever traumatized

[33:31] by the ch the children, but it's good. Um, it it makes for a better end. Um, we

[33:39] also have a lot of agricultural leadership and youth um, education that

[33:45] have gone on in this space down at the farm. So, we've had a lot of different

[33:49] groups request to come in and learn about whether it be um like rodeo

[33:55] cleanings. They have some girl scouts that came in and they did a whole um we

[34:00] have scouts come in and um we did a whole a whole program with them. So,

[34:05] we're trying to always do some sort of education where we part of that program.

[34:12] So, this is just a little bit of just a few pictures of some of the kids with

[34:16] their entries and um taking these animals to the bear. Um like the the

[34:23] bottom picture there with the the horse, the 2-year-old horse, we have to take

[34:28] her and get her used to all sorts of different experiences so that she will

[34:33] be able to be safe and used with the console and the programming. Um and then

[34:38] finally if you look at the upper left that picture is just some of our kids at

[34:44] the closing. So for 4 we when you are part of for a service and so our service

[34:52] project this year was to do a humanitarian kid drive or little lambs.

[34:57] we like to support them whenever we can and Ted is great to work with and so we

[35:02] did a little drive and um took that over to his place and um sent some hot dogs

[35:08] and and had a good time. So anyway, that is kind of how the 4 went here that was

[35:14] fan captive. Um this is just to show you our 2020 biography

[35:21] it was to put in that um roadway. I call it a road. Some people call it a

[35:26] walkway, but anyways, gravel is space. Um, and Steve has been so helpful in

[35:32] getting it done in. So, we want to make sure and

[35:35] and we couldn't without these guys. Um, but so helpful in in making these.

[35:42] Um, and then we got a 2026 grant that will put in an additional opening good

[35:50] for the channel with a training area that keeps the animals off of the main

[35:55] lanes and keeps the public safe while the kids can in a space that's better

[36:00] for them as well. So, uh, that brings us to our trailer. So, if someone will

[36:06] please, now listen, this did not exist in

[36:11] giving me grace. We wanted to show you >> and goes on. And that's it. That's all

[36:17] we've got for today.

[36:24] » Oh, sorry.

[36:30] » Oh, listen to it.

[36:46] While Levi's working on that, if we don't distract you, Levi, maybe you can

[36:50] ignore us. Um, comments, questions for the council or

[36:55] uh Roxy Savannah. [clears throat]

[36:59] » I'm sorry.

[37:08] program this year or that's still in process.

[37:12] » Yeah. So, we uh we moved all of ours down to that property. Um we we worked

[37:18] it out with uh the the previous lease that with the fencing down there. So, we

[37:24] got that all worked out with it. So, we were able to use the back part. Um our

[37:28] plan next year is is to use the front part as well. Um if if it all works out

[37:33] and we get the infrastructure down there, we could even house some like

[37:37] steer down there as 4 project. So I mean that's that's saving the you know the

[37:43] animals cost a lot to feed and for the community and so that having being able

[37:48] to preserve the farm and not overg graze down there having another place where

[37:51] they can graze has been invaluable for us to be able to others out there. So

[37:57] » yeah. Well, just to add, that's why we're able to do the

[38:02] that's why we're able to make the black field happen because that field open and

[38:07] let it grow. So, we had our So, that was good. And then one more

[38:14] question. Um, is there anything that you specifically need from the city or like

[38:19] any additional support that you could use from us in the coming year?

[38:23] Um, this was a question that I've been chatting with Justin about. I don't know

[38:27] if now's the opportunity to talk about that. Um, so the Petersons were leasing,

[38:33] Clark Peterson, their family was leasing the is it 40 acres? I'm not sure what

[38:38] the lot size is downsh

[38:42] is at. Um, we were hoping to >> this is our regional park.

[38:47] » Yeah. >> Hope someday

[38:50] the fourth dimension. Yeah, we were just hoping to maybe utilize that property to

[38:55] uh um be able to harvest the the the grass hay down there or even if it alo

[39:02] um to help number one feed the animals that's down there. So, we would, you

[39:06] know, continue to have it bail cut and bailed and watered or maintained. Um and

[39:11] then any extra stuff that we had in the federal could sell it um to help fund

[39:16] the a bit more as a funding piece. So that's something we're hoping

[39:21] for. But the one of the other things that we would like to possibly do is we

[39:25] did have them we had some 4 kids down there. They were interested in learning

[39:29] how to um cut hay and and bail hay. And we actually got them hooked up with who

[39:36] was it the the Zinger guy that does cuts hay in the valley. And so we would like

[39:41] this to be an opportunity for us to hook kids and youth in to be able to to learn

[39:46] how to maintain pastures and Petart's uh farmland. So

[39:52] » I think they should be doing it on a 75year-old farm.

[39:57] [laughter] That's that's

[40:00] » appreciate appreciate what it takes.

[40:04] » Yeah. um you know something that you know

[40:09] they're discussing that um has maybe an um

[40:15] uh there are many times where like extension are like learning environments

[40:20] for hay and I myself would like to learn a little bit more about it but every

[40:24] time I look at them they're like two dollars don't want that other stuff um

[40:30] and so we would like to open that up as something because we have an affiliation

[40:35] with extension and because certain um people have like part of their they have

[40:41] extensions um and so that's something that they can come down and do is teach

[40:47] the whoever you know we can open it up just like we have one of these other um

[40:51] programming where learning about growing a is something that is learned how you

[40:57] take care of all of that that can be done for a minimal charge or no no

[41:01] charge um and so um as we talking about it. Um, I said, you know, like

[41:08] everything to me is a is an outdoor classroom learning opportunity. So when

[41:13] someone drives by the farm, they see a farm. When I'm there, I see an outdoor

[41:18] classroom of 8 acres and limited possibilities for children for children.

[41:23] Um, and and anyone who should be there. So

[41:31] question. Um, do we have a or do you all have a vision guess maybe an internal

[41:36] timeline for what the barn is in terms of what your hopes are? Um, I'm forgive

[41:41] me if I should probably know this already, but

[41:44] » well >> maybe maybe timeline especially.

[41:46] » Happy birthday by the way. >> Oh, thanks. Yeah.

[41:49] » Um, well Justin and I are meeting together this week about the farm. So we

[41:54] are in conversation um about that. Any any chance? Yeah, I'll take any chance.

[42:01] Even if I know it's probably not going to turn out to be something, I'll take

[42:05] it anyway because if I don't do it, it's for sure. And so, I did apply for a

[42:10] grant earlier this year. Um, I worked really hard on it and I hoped and hoped,

[42:15] but I kind of knew before I did in because I had met with with um the

[42:19] people in charge that our space was too developed for what they were looking

[42:23] for. Um they wanted really just you know five years ago perfect where we had a

[42:30] concept plan that Utah State University had already done and we we had something

[42:35] in motion we almost became ineligible. Um so we didn't get it and you know you

[42:42] spill yourself when you get a grant. >> Um yeah we'll we'll take anything. Um

[42:47] this is just a a lead we we worked off of. Um, it is our hardest thing, right?

[42:53] That barn. Um, and it's like I told Jess, well, I was telling everyone in

[42:58] the meeting that like if the barn wasn't there as far as what happens in like day

[43:04] in day out, nothing changes because we can't use the barn. Everything still

[43:08] happens. But it's that piece that's missing that makes it feel so important.

[43:14] And so historically, it connects. That's why the flag pole was important to us is

[43:19] because we wanted people to have their feet on on the ground in the flag by

[43:25] because that does something to a person and and my grandfather was a World War

[43:32] II vet and I've always had great respect for um what his purpose was and I wanted

[43:38] I wanted to give anyone a chance who could be in a flag of that armed um

[43:45] additionally We had some we had an event the other night on Saturday. We had some

[43:50] people from our city who stopped by and like we saw this place and we're like

[43:55] what is this? And it was the bar and now they're like we this is amazing. So

[44:02] trying to keep that up is is the thing I care so much about but it's it is the

[44:08] hardest hurdle to jump to talk about that.

[44:13] » Yeah. That's just a I mean we had an engineer go and look at it uh 7 8 years

[44:17] ago and that's kind of when the doors got locked and it was restricted to you

[44:22] know pretty much staff only as needed and the cost estimates back then were

[44:27] pretty staggering um to do much else other than to stand it up. So when Mike

[44:32] and Roxy took over, Mike went in and did some cable tying and did some things to

[44:36] try to stabilize it whatnot for with what he could do. But, uh, it's just a

[44:40] matter of money, getting the money to take care of and deciding what you

[44:44] really want to do with it. Do you want to just keep it up in the air the way it

[44:47] is, or do you want to make it into some sort of functioning facility where maybe

[44:51] you could rent it for weddings or gatherings or whatever? I mean, the

[44:55] sky's is the limit on what you can do. It just depends on where how much money

[44:59] we can gather up. Okay. It would be a shame to see all

[45:07] just and just one more thing. I just want to thank you all for all the effort

[45:10] you put in. My daughter participated in the summer program and she comes home

[45:15] one day and says, "Dad, I dewormed a goat." And I'm like, that's not that was

[45:21] not a sentence that I would have ever expected.

[45:25] But just the fact that this is an opportunity for uh newly citizens to

[45:30] have it's such a special thing. So just

[45:35] » and thank you for all of your support and thanks everybody.

[45:41] » Are we queued up? I I have some council has some say you want to watch the video

[45:47] first.

[45:52] » There's a couple of them.

[47:12] Okay.

[48:15] thoughts. Um,

[48:19] I have to say I Savannah, I viewed the flag field as a tractor swallow course

[48:26] [laughter] and the kids in the wagon that were

[48:29] getting rides really enjoyed it.

[48:33] Boy, did a boy. What? I always managed to kick the fun out of everything. How's

[48:39] your 501c3 nonprofit coming along? You guys getting that organized to operate

[48:46] things? And so if if people here don't know, the property is owned by Nibbly

[48:52] City, owned by US Nibbly citizens. And then we lease the property to a

[48:56] nonprofit organization called the Morgan Farm. I think

[49:01] » Morgan Farm,

[49:05] Billy. So, so you're operating underneath that non-toxic organization.

[49:09] How's that coming along that transition and did if it's not you don't have to

[49:14] say any more than you want to? >> I think it's coming along pretty well.

[49:18] They could also speak to it. Um, we also someone mentioned like meeting in the

[49:24] summer is hard. He was already here. Um, I found that to be true last summer. Um

[49:30] it's difficult but um otherwise I mean I think we're learning getting things put

[49:36] together but it is like put together running and um just figuring out you

[49:43] know jumping through the hoops as they they come.

[49:46] » Okay. Yeah. We have found that we by having the nonprofit I mean we're open

[49:53] to more grants um but then also we people are more than happy to donate. So

[49:59] a lot of the things that were donated for the kids to plant um in the high

[50:04] tunnel and such that was donated by USU on their greenhouse

[50:09] um that they have uh the name of it but they're the one you can go buy stuff. Um

[50:15] they donated all of that stuff and and we had a garden gateway donated a bunch

[50:21] of pumpkins. And so it's really really great to have that like community

[50:28] connection and people always say but it's for the kids, right? Like that's

[50:32] we're happy to do it. We try to take that we we don't take that light. They

[50:39] we want to be good. >> Okay, perfect. Thank you. Um, one of the

[50:45] things we'll come back to, Mike, is uh, lease of the property

[50:51] um, for a production. Like you said, the Petersons don't want to arm that

[50:55] anymore. I've started that conversation with individual council members, but

[50:59] we'll bring it to an we'll bring it to a head. We started that in light of some

[51:04] other properties for council to think about individually

[51:08] um, as well, but we'll we'll bring that to a conclusion. We we need to have that

[51:13] figured out before it's time to start paying.

[51:17] » Yeah. So like by next uh February like this coming February or something. Yeah.

[51:22] So we can plan for how to irrigate it what you know that kind of stuff gets

[51:28] somebody lined up to cut it. So >> and yeah we should make that

[51:34] in time while the Petersons are still involved to transfer some knowledge

[51:39] about irrigation. Exactly. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Anything else? You guys are

[51:46] knocking that out of the park. Thank you so much. You add a lot to our community.

[51:50] Truly appreciate it.

[51:54] » Okay. Uh next we have a discussion which will be an update on the 2600 South

[52:03] sidewalk project. Yes. [clears throat] Tom. Oh, sorry

[52:08] you're jumping ahead. Um, so we'll have Tom give us a recap of the objectives

[52:14] for that project. If if uh just as a reminder uh how we did on achieving

[52:19] those objectives, issues that may have come up during the construction issues

[52:25] that may not have been resolved yet. U this is this is just here an update on

[52:30] the project. I have flood residents of 2600 know there's been there's been a

[52:35] substantial amount of correspondence devoted to this. So, there's an

[52:39] opportunity for the residents to be part of our discussion. Um, I'm not sure if

[52:46] you chose a spokesman. You didn't have to. I suggest that or now. Um, but

[52:50] that's fine. If you all want to speak, if however you want to work it out, we

[52:56] welcome you to be part of the discussion. We'll start with Tom to lead

[52:59] it off. >> I've got a couple pages of notes. I

[53:02] don't know how condensed of a report you'd like but and go through how this

[53:06] project started. Came to us a request from the principal of Nibbling Middle or

[53:12] Nibbling Elementary School. She was concerned with the kids walking on the

[53:16] narrow sidewalk. They're getting out in the mud. They're getting out in the road

[53:20] on bikes trying to get around the mud and it just she felt it was unsafe. So

[53:25] went with her got some objectives. Student sa student safety was the

[53:28] primary objective. I put together some cost estimates and we got it budgeted in

[53:34] the 202526 budget here. So primary objectives as I

[53:39] said were student safety, there was history of historic flooding, standing

[53:44] water and some front yards and the other primary objectives was to

[53:49] minimize impact to property owners. Now that doesn't eliminate the impact but is

[53:54] to minimize impact. The way that was done was to we explored different things

[54:00] on the width of the sidewalk. We didn't want to encroach into the property lines

[54:04] and the existing curbs on either end of this lacking section. We ended up

[54:09] shifting the sidewalk 10 ft on the east. It's 10 ft wide on the east end, but

[54:15] then we had to narrow it down to stay within the ride ofway boundary on the

[54:18] west side. So it it's not uniformly 10 ft. We wanted to maximize maximize the

[54:23] width, but due to the property lines and the existing

[54:27] existing curb and gutter, we ended up just kind of tapering it, shifting it

[54:31] just slightly there to keep in the right of way. Um

[54:36] Justin and I talked about other ways to minimize impacts. One was to possibly

[54:43] bring the sidewalk down at each driveway, flatten it out, and then bring

[54:49] it back up on the other side. But the risk there was the drainage. We wouldn't

[54:54] meet the drainage mitigation and the flooding mitigation. So, we decided,

[54:57] okay, we're going to narrow the sidewalk to four feet on the backside and and

[55:02] minimize the approach percentage on the approach. So, we we

[55:07] tried to do that. And then typically a sidewalk would be a two 2% cross slope

[55:12] which would bring it up over 10 ft. It'd be 2% so two or yeah 2 ft. So roughly

[55:21] 3 4 in. So we lowered that as as far as we could to about a one and a half% just

[55:27] to minimize the height differential from the existing. And then as we reached the

[55:32] west end, we actually shifted the the cross slope toward the properties to

[55:38] minimize it even further. So all in all from one end to the other, the grade

[55:43] differential from existing to the new grade was between 67 feet, which is

[55:52] 2/3 of a foot. My math my math isn't math. That's

[55:57] » Yeah, exactly. So 67 ft on one end and about 2 feet on the other. So 2 and 12

[56:04] in to 8. Thank you. So and that's just because the curve we had to match that

[56:11] curve and and there the other things that we did is instead of what it's

[56:17] called a daylight. So where that that sidewalk ends to where it catches. So

[56:23] you have to grade back down. You don't want a vertical cliff at the edge of the

[56:26] sidewalk. to create this daylight. And typically a standard would be 3:1. We

[56:33] chose 10 to one. We tried to do it at much slower or much more shallow slope

[56:38] to so it's not so vertical. It's it's more appeasing and it's easier to

[56:42] maintain as well. So we use the American Public Works standards, APWA, American

[56:49] Public Works Association standards, and it gives us how to design things. It

[56:53] tells us what the crossover is. that that's the percentage change from the

[56:58] crown of the road to the approach of the driveway. It gives us the cross slope on

[57:03] the sidewalk and the running slope. And then it also gives us an acceptable

[57:09] daylight from the back of the sidewalk to tie into existing driveways that are

[57:14] impacted with new construction. So these things are are adopted by multiple

[57:19] communities in Utah pretty uniformly adopted. Other larger cities have their

[57:24] own standards which would they're pretty much based on the APWA standards but

[57:28] they they'll modify it for certain things like water lines or specific

[57:32] things that they want to do but we use the APWA standards. So and then in so

[57:37] doing we also I ask that instead of meeting that to this to the nth degree

[57:43] that we minimize it even more. For example, the crossover slope from the

[57:48] road and up to the driveways is 16%. That's just really a big steep thing. So

[57:55] I says we need to minimize that where we can. So we got it down to like 12 13%.

[58:00] And then also the the uh crossover slope in the back and sideway to tie into

[58:04] those is up to 12% and we tried to hit around 8 to 10% just to minimize that

[58:12] steep tie in from the back of the sidewalk to tie to the existing

[58:17] driveways. We worked together with Justin. I I

[58:23] tasked him with the public outreach to make first contact with the the uh

[58:29] property owners. He he made his attempts. He reported back to me and

[58:34] where when we did that it's not like he went out with nothing in his hands. We

[58:39] had a 60% drawing which basically 60% drawing is a a relative horizontal

[58:44] alignment. So you can see about where the curve is going to be, the sidewalk's

[58:47] going to be. Then you also have that vertical element that's approximate at

[58:52] that point. But you can on that plan that he was given, it showed the great

[58:57] differential at each driveway. So he was able to present that to the people that

[59:02] he met with and they can visualize and and measure out what 67 ft is.

[59:09] After he gave me the green light to go, we finished the plans and we went to

[59:12] bid. We started construction right after school got out. I gave a a wide window

[59:17] of construction because I wanted some pretty good pricing to just get cheaper

[59:22] pricing from the developer from a contractor, but they decided to get

[59:27] right on it. I gave them till September 15th to clean everything up like any

[59:32] last minute landscaping or signs or something like that. So, they're still

[59:36] within their contractual window, but they they've uh done just about

[59:41] everything. They're they're missing the flashing stop sign that was specked out

[59:47] on 8ighth West.

[59:50] For some reason, that's really backorded, but they're hoping to get it

[59:53] by Tuesday. I just got a report this this afternoon. They're hoping to get it

[59:56] Tuesday. And then, let's see.

[1:00:05] I want to talk about some other public outreach that we did. There was at least

[1:00:09] three door hangers posted by a city staff and I knocked on every one of the

[1:00:13] doors. That was about a week before the construction that says a

[1:00:17] pre-construction notice. This thing's coming. Following up on Justin's

[1:00:21] meetings. Then there was another one in June from the contractor that says,

[1:00:26] "Hey, we're going to be placing curb. Please park over at the the park parking

[1:00:31] lot across the way." And then we did a landscape flyer on June 30th that says,

[1:00:35] "Hey, this is a bad time to do landscaping. We know this, but we want

[1:00:39] this landscaping to survive. So, we're going to give you a $100 credit on your

[1:00:43] water bill to keep it alive." And they finished that up around

[1:00:49] July, the first week of July, the hottest week. And uh the landscape

[1:00:55] contractor fabricated all these sprinklers for

[1:00:58] everybody. and all they had to do was connect their hose and turn it on and

[1:01:02] then then it gave pretty good coverage for it. So by the first second week of

[1:01:07] July all the landscaping was done. So I'm going to back up to once the heart

[1:01:12] surfaces were complete couple days after the driveways were done all the sidewalk

[1:01:16] was done by this time the curb and gutter and all the pading was done. We

[1:01:20] did a walk through we found one of the driveways was out of spec. And when I

[1:01:23] when I say out of spec, what happened was they they put it in

[1:01:29] and when they when we started measuring up, they had an actual belly in it and

[1:01:34] they tried to fix it in the field by taking a weed burner, heating up the

[1:01:39] asphalt and using rakes and scraping it and trying to use shovels to try to get

[1:01:44] it to slope in the direction that the plan showed. And in so doing, instead of

[1:01:49] a good transition, there was like picture taking a pipe and cutting it in

[1:01:54] half. So it went down and then this little belly curve and then went back up

[1:01:59] and says that that wasn't the intent. So when we said, "Hey, this needs to be

[1:02:04] replaced." I said, "Well, that's really a tight tolerance." They asked if they

[1:02:07] could take out some more side or some more of the driveway so we can have a

[1:02:11] easier tolerance to get that cross slope to get it to drain into the grass. And

[1:02:16] we agreed to that. finally split some cost and and taken out a little bit

[1:02:19] more. They did replace that. I don't have my notes on there. It's

[1:02:26] probably the end of July, probably 22nd, 23rdish, and then it took him another

[1:02:33] week or so to get back there to restore the max where they've done that as well.

[1:02:38] So, I mentioned that it's we tried to minimize the impacts, but it's not

[1:02:44] impact free. Whenever you have these great differentials, we have to figure

[1:02:47] out what to do with driveways. And in this case, with it being higher,

[1:02:53] we ended up having to dish these and follow our American Public Works

[1:02:57] Association standards and try to direct the drainage into a grassy or landscaped

[1:03:03] area. Now, I did some research on the soils that are in the area, and it it

[1:03:10] when it gets wet, all everything runs down and puddles and pools, and then it

[1:03:15] pushes off into these landscape areas, and it should be drying up or

[1:03:19] percolating at about a half an inch per hour. So, if we get two inches of rain,

[1:03:26] it's going to be four hours of puddling. It should dissipate and percolate in the

[1:03:30] ground according to the the research I did. and and ran some numbers on the

[1:03:35] percolation rates that after every rainstorm there there's going to be some

[1:03:39] some standing water and it should dissipate and and saturated ground. So a

[1:03:45] a question was posed early on when there's some a ball of emails running

[1:03:49] back and forth that know is this legal to do that? You've checked with our city

[1:03:54] attorney at this at that time and it is it is an allowable practice to change

[1:04:00] the grade on the road and have a homeowner maintain their own swarm.

[1:04:08] I hope I haven't missed anything. If you have any specific questions, I'd be glad

[1:04:12] to answer them now. Okay. As of now, again, what's missing is the the stop

[1:04:18] sign. I didn't mention any parking potentially, but

[1:04:23] at one point during the design and and bidding, we we like, "Hey, why do we

[1:04:29] restrict parking there? Why do we say, hey, all your kids

[1:04:34] are at school, but don't pick them up there. Go

[1:04:37] somewhere else to pick them up." And question, well, is it dangerous? Is

[1:04:42] it congestion? Is it is it dangerous to kids because they're running out? And we

[1:04:47] says, "Well, let's try without it. Let's let's say let's allow the parking a

[1:04:51] pickup and drop off along here. It's on the same side of the road as the kids

[1:04:56] are getting out of school. They people could park there, pick up their kid, and

[1:05:01] take off. Um on the first day of school, I was out there in the afternoon, which

[1:05:05] is the most concentrated. It was 7 minutes from the time kids

[1:05:10] started walking down the sidewalk to the time that that [clears throat] sidewalk

[1:05:14] was cleared." And in that that after seven minutes there was one car still

[1:05:20] parked there and it was actually the crossing guard's car. So she had to stay

[1:05:24] there another 15 to get people out there. So

[1:05:31] » any other questions? >> We'll just let the conversation move

[1:05:34] along. Any last questions now? Council >> Justin, do you have Sorry. Randy, do you

[1:05:39] have something to ask? Um well maybe if I had water pulling on

[1:05:45] me grass I would probably install a drain myself. I would do that if you get

[1:05:49] some gravel and I just see it you know I would do that. Is the city willing to

[1:05:56] where there is water standing any amount of time are they willing to put a small

[1:06:00] drain in and dig down some gravel so that it just goes down or is that

[1:06:04] something on the table or or not? I wasn't part of that discussion, but I

[1:06:08] think that was actually specifically mentioned something that they call it a

[1:06:12] sump where we could come back and and and dig a gravel area that the water

[1:06:17] could saturate into immediately and then dissipate into the ground rather than

[1:06:22] being standing for the two hours that it might be in the in the calculations that

[1:06:28] are >> Okay. And it gives me maybe the second

[1:06:32] thought is I was just curious um no me and I the drive

[1:06:40] realize I'd be raised up most every time you see a home with the driveway we

[1:06:45] always wor slow but they just good right we did that was there any conversation

[1:06:52] with the residents about maybe saying we're going to have to put a little

[1:06:56] asphalt in here to kind of smooth it so it's not so sloping

[1:07:00] if I can use that conserve.

[1:07:03] Was there any conversation of saying this could be expensive, but if we're

[1:07:07] here to do a new driveway, they would, [clears throat] you know,

[1:07:11] fork out most of the bill on that. Was there a conversation with the residents

[1:07:15] to see if you want to put in a new driveway that would actually have a

[1:07:19] small slope to the road that would look like most of the drive?

[1:07:24] » So, there was one homeowner that did reach out to the contractor on site and

[1:07:28] they did get a price for it. I believe it was somewhere in the $4,400 range,

[1:07:32] $4,500 range. They they chose not to employ the contractor.

[1:07:40] » Okay. Thank you.

[1:07:46] » Uh affected parties, uh our only ask is that you tell us identify yourselves.

[1:07:52] You can pass that mic around. You can do that. The second ask is that you speak

[1:07:57] into the microphone. stay here.

[1:08:00] » You can sit there and pass that microphone around if you'd like.

[1:08:05] » So, I'll just maybe go first. I didn't I apologize. I have to

[1:08:10] u

[1:08:14] » um I think our [clears throat] biggest thing is to just make sure that

[1:08:18] » please please speak directly to Thank you.

[1:08:21] » You know, we we tried to do a lot of work on the back end before this to get

[1:08:26] the information and our perspective. We do feel like we have pretty unique

[1:08:30] perspective and input on all this. Um, but just a couple of points. Um, I would

[1:08:36] say on the outreach that Tom mentioned, I think a lot of that was more like the

[1:08:42] execution of the plan. I would say that that was maybe because

[1:08:48] did realize what the plans were going to entail as it relates to the driveway and

[1:08:53] the impacts there and those things. So I think that was one challenge that we

[1:08:57] had. Um I think going forward what we're trying to understand is you know we it

[1:09:03] wasn't ideal I think for all of us as home owners to have this dip in our

[1:09:07] driveway. Um but we did get promise from the city that things would be made

[1:09:13] right. Um and so we're just trying to um monitor a few things going forward. So,

[1:09:20] we do have concerns that there will be some pooling in the driveway still in

[1:09:26] some of the driveways. Our driveway is pretty good with a thin layer that

[1:09:30] remains, but right now it's been evaporating. Um, but we do we've seen

[1:09:36] some of the other driveways definitely fully in the driveway as well in the

[1:09:40] grass. So there's some concerns there and we just don't want some kind of

[1:09:44] statute of limitation on this to run where we say oh

[1:09:50] make that work. Okay. So we're just trying to get on the same page there. Um

[1:09:54] and where's that little you know we worry that

[1:10:03] um I have three or four other points that I c I need to go through those.

[1:10:10] Tom, you mentioned the the Steines. We do have a perspective there. I think it

[1:10:15] takes typically much longer than that was the timed

[1:10:20] run there. We are concerned just about safety, our ability to back out. It

[1:10:25] causes a major challenge for my wife in that time. Uh as well as safety, trying

[1:10:30] to get into the driveway. You can't see and who knows kids are running or have

[1:10:35] their bikes and there could be a there. Um,

[1:10:40] so anyways, I I will vouch that Justin did uh tell us that they would do it

[1:10:47] like a drain, you know, if things aren't draining well in the grass. So, we're

[1:10:51] appreciative of that. I don't think any of that's been done to any of the

[1:10:55] properties yet, but that would be something that we would be interested in

[1:10:58] request if we identified like there's one homeowner that they definitely have

[1:11:04] like in their grass area. It's

[1:11:10] there. So anyways, those are kind of my two cents.

[1:11:19] » Sir, can I get your name, please? >> Your name.

[1:11:22] » Your name. >> Oh, sorry, Rich.

[1:11:25] » Thank you.

[1:11:28] » Um, my name is Nik and I just wanted to add a couple things. Um why we weren't

[1:11:34] [clears throat] aware of this project until started and that caused some

[1:11:39] feelings and distress. Um [clears throat]

[1:11:44] we're at where we're at right now. Um we are having on our driveway and the water

[1:11:51] is running into our grass and John will talk a little more about that here in

[1:11:56] just a minute. um we're not [clears throat] always home when the

[1:12:01] students are coming and going. So I asked my daughter-in-law today um she

[1:12:06] observed as she's in her heart and she's expressing the same concern as Amanda

[1:12:12] has been seeing in that it is extremely difficult to see students coming from

[1:12:17] the school. It's extremely difficult to see cars coming um with the cars parked

[1:12:23] on the side of the road right there. And um they had a back to school night

[1:12:28] tonight and I was coming from [clears throat] from the east and we are

[1:12:34] at the first house right next to the school and [clears throat]

[1:12:38] somebody pulled out in front of me at stop sign. Um can't think of the street

[1:12:43] name but it's on the the most eastern part. There's just so much going on with

[1:12:50] cars parked and people moving and bicycles and um we've seen an increase

[1:12:56] in speed and what scooters bikes are going down there when I'm backing up you

[1:13:02] know the day you go to work there was one coming

[1:13:06] scooter coming rapidly and I mean I had plenty of time to get out but I think

[1:13:11] sometimes what if he wasn't further I mean I just don't know I've had kids in

[1:13:15] the stand behind my vehicle when I'm trying

[1:13:18] to back up. I've had kids try to race me um as I'm trying to back out. So, it is

[1:13:26] a safety um not being able to see. Um Ashlin

[1:13:32] specifically mentioned that she was having a hard time seeing as she's

[1:13:36] coming out of the driveway anything going oops a telephone pole there and um

[1:13:42] some things like that. And I wish our class card would stop traffic so I can

[1:13:47] back out when we have to go to work. >> Yeah. Do you mind if I ask questions as

[1:13:53] we go along? Thank you for offering that. Um I'm you mentioned back to

[1:13:58] school night and then we've also talked about pickup and drop off. Are you

[1:14:02] advocating for no parking on that road whatsoever to eliminate those problems

[1:14:07] or are you saying no pickup and drop off? So, um, until I talked to Ashlin, I

[1:14:14] » Who's Ashel? >> My daughter.

[1:14:16] » Okay. Okay. >> I have grandkid

[1:14:19] and she parks in my driveway for

[1:14:25] so I asked for her experience and before then I was like, I haven't experienced

[1:14:30] this problem. But to hear her say what she experiences every day um for the

[1:14:35] last several years um I feel there is a need for parking where there no parking

[1:14:43] » no parking at all along the street. >> No parking during school hours

[1:14:46] especially >> during pickup and drop off or all the

[1:14:50] time during school hours. >> Okay.

[1:14:54] They're sort of problems during school hours. You see some congestion with

[1:14:59] soccer games and baseball games and stuff. Um it's it's just a narrow road

[1:15:04] and since we've lived there they've widened it twice and it just seems to

[1:15:09] this wide sidewalk which is nice has impacted some of the traffic coming and

[1:15:16] going in. the other day. I was astounded at how far back the traffic was backed

[1:15:22] up and from the stop sign into our house. I

[1:15:26] » So, so let me ask about that. Does is it the compounding effects of

[1:15:34] parking on that road or is it the traffic that's

[1:15:38] backed up? >> It's two separate issues. The the

[1:15:41] traffic and see I'm not there most of the day. I leave for work at 20 after 8.

[1:15:47] Sometimes with staff meaning I have to leave at 7:30. Um and I'm not leaving

[1:15:52] till 7 night. So I'm not seeing all the traffic congestion that others are

[1:15:56] seeing. But the other day I did I looked out my window. What the heck was going

[1:16:00] on out there and opened the door and there were cars back uh um past my house

[1:16:07] trying to get through the stop sign on 8. And my understanding is some of that

[1:16:13] I mean it's always been there a little bit but it's worse this year and I

[1:16:17] believe it's because parents are just trying to get their kids to the new

[1:16:20] middle school and there's some extra circumstances there's no busing um so

[1:16:26] parents are moving at that time of day and it seems to be going stretching

[1:16:31] further into the day and then when the kids are using the sidewalks I have

[1:16:35] observed this on a few days I'm home they're um

[1:16:39] not as actually because we're only 3 days into school 4 days.

[1:16:42] » Okay. But >> so I I just want to be clear that

[1:16:46] » parking or no parking during pickup and drop off is a different issue than cars

[1:16:51] backing up in the lane of traffic. >> Well,

[1:16:54] » on 2600 South Tra and Rick might be addressing this

[1:16:59] experience. >> She's leaving she's leaving during those

[1:17:04] hours of pick up and drop off. So is it is it fair to summarize? So that the the

[1:17:09] pickup and drop off issue and rightfully rightfully so is well stated. It's a

[1:17:14] it's a what can I see on the sidewalk >> while parked or parked on the road. Is

[1:17:20] that correct? >> That's the challenge is

[1:17:23] » um to be to be able to back out of our driveway. You've got cars parked all

[1:17:28] along there. get happening straight before I [clears throat] can even see

[1:17:32] » and you know it's just not a good situation with my with my kids that are

[1:17:36] starting to drive online mentioned it before but coming into our

[1:17:42] driveway if you've got cars there then you can't see kids that might be

[1:17:47] » yeah it's a sight issue it's a sight safety issue it's

[1:17:51] » we get that there's I think be Okay.

[1:17:57] School. >> Okay. No, there there is traffic there

[1:18:00] when there's gangs at the park and thing that we work through, you know, we

[1:18:04] figure it out. >> Okay. That helps me very much.

[1:18:09] » When my kids,

[1:18:13] there was a specific pattern uh where those kids should be going. And the plan

[1:18:18] last I heard was they cross the street with a crossing guard and then they go

[1:18:23] to pickup at Elorn Park and that is not happening much of this.

[1:18:29] » Okay, we can uh we can talk about Principal King is at back to school

[1:18:34] night as you know but that's a followup for us as well. I want to make sure I'm

[1:18:38] making a list of uh things to follow up on. Not necessarily salt tonight, but

[1:18:43] the sumps to absorb as Randy mentioned to to absorb dry

[1:18:50] water. Okay,

[1:18:54] sir. Jim Wilkins losing my voice a little bit

[1:19:00] first school. Um, I am there at between

[1:19:06] sometimes 12:30 or 2:30, 2:30. So, I see it just about every [clears throat] day

[1:19:10] that I go leaving somewhere else. Um,

[1:19:15] and the kids, they trickle out, then it gets real heavy, then they, you know,

[1:19:22] blow trickle again. And it happens pretty I would I would say a little bit

[1:19:25] longer than seven minutes but I don't I don't know why I have the number time

[1:19:29] just seemed like maybe bit long but 710 you know it's the same thing. Um there

[1:19:36] are kids walking a lot of kids walking a lot of kids riding bikes and they're

[1:19:41] staying on the on the sidewalk going three four times as fast as the kids

[1:19:46] that are walking and that is a safety issue there.

[1:19:51] Yeah, the kids the kids on scooters and bikes should be walking along that

[1:19:56] stretch. They should not be riding their scooters, electric scooters, their

[1:20:02] ebikes, and everything else that we they're going fast. I don't know if you

[1:20:06] noticed that, but they they are moving it two times this week, but that's the

[1:20:12] way it always has been. Um,

[1:20:18] as [clears throat] far as getting notified about this project, first thing

[1:20:21] I saw was 6 days before it uh to take place to get to start on it and and

[1:20:33] we

[1:20:36] go ahead. >> We we couldn't hear Mrs. Spoken. I I

[1:20:41] don't remember the I remember meeting one or two I I read

[1:20:47] for God and he went on the [clears throat] first one of the ones

[1:20:51] that I did remember because it was it was

[1:20:55] um standing to me was that uh it said that every we we knocked on every door

[1:21:02] and talked to every resident about this project and we had not been talked to by

[1:21:08] anybody. that was new to me. So, [clears throat] um, we didn't we didn't

[1:21:14] get notified of it. We weren't of it. Um,

[1:21:21] so my driveway is at least almost twice as wide as as the others. I I didn't

[1:21:28] measure anything, but it's it's the double double driveway. And uh we had a

[1:21:34] storm this last week. It was incredible storm. lots of lots of wind and rain. It

[1:21:41] came down really hard in sheets and uh we saw what a heavy rainstorm would do

[1:21:47] to the drainage and to to water coming down to that area. Um it puddled. It was

[1:21:53] a big puddle. It did run off pretty quick. They didn't get out there in time

[1:21:57] either, but in the morning there were there were weren't big puddles, so it

[1:22:01] did its job and drained off. But there was an area about three to five three to

[1:22:05] four or five feet out in the yard that was total muddy. Total muddy squish.

[1:22:12] » It was standing water or it was squishless.

[1:22:15] » Squishy squish or step bottom. >> Okay.

[1:22:20] » I didn't I didn't.

[1:22:26] » It was what I thought would happen in this kind of situation. If that storm

[1:22:31] wouldn't go on for another hour, who knows what the yard out in the

[1:22:36] middle, that was a good test. Um the other the

[1:22:41] other ones we had have been very small and didn't really give us an idea what

[1:22:45] it would look like. But we hope we're going to get more water. We need it. We

[1:22:50] need it. But uh going into my yard is it's not a good solution. without some

[1:22:57] kind of a drain. We are open to that drain. Okay. But I want to have I don't

[1:23:02] want to have somebody just come out to my door and put something in and say,

[1:23:05] "Oh, by the way, here's sign. We put we put a drain in." I'd like to have a

[1:23:10] discussion on that. So I know what's happening. Give input.

[1:23:15] Say I don't think that's enough, you know, be part of that team. I can't say

[1:23:20] that everybody is. I have heard that some are engaged in that as well.

[1:23:29] One more thing. Um, this has come up several times. I know that um when this

[1:23:35] project started um and we were talking to um Justin and um he he made a comment

[1:23:43] he thought the city was plowing that side about him. As residents we have

[1:23:47] always that sidewalk and now with it much wider we want to know whose

[1:23:53] responsibility it is to that sidewalk. Um we

[1:24:00] often aren't told as we've already said to file a sidewalk and it's much larger.

[1:24:06] Um there was some talk that the city may be responsible to do that now in the

[1:24:10] future as well as the school district but we just need a clear definition of

[1:24:14] who's who is going to be responsible for that.

[1:24:20] » Okay. I don't have an answer. [clears throat] Well, I did talk to

[1:24:23] somebody here in this whole process and it seems like they had a little piece of

[1:24:27] paper in their hand says these are the these are the sidewalks that the city's

[1:24:32] taking care of right now. And if I remember correctly, it was this the

[1:24:36] sidewalks along Highway where nobody lives. There's no cars and they they

[1:24:42] take care of that. Um the the school has has for years taken

[1:24:49] care of if they get up if I get up early I If they get up earlier, they not all

[1:24:55] of it quite a bit. It's much smaller then than it is now. So, I don't know

[1:25:01] what they let anything. Um, do you have any input on that, Justin?

[1:25:07] We just need to talk to the principal. >> Yeah, we'll need to talk to the

[1:25:11] principal. It's a great question that we need definitely need to figure out and

[1:25:14] iron out. Um, when I was out there speaking with the Wilkins, I just

[1:25:17] couldn't remember. We do have a map. It's It is online, right? posted online.

[1:25:21] Our sidewalk map >> online

[1:25:23] » I believe so in our like snow information page. Typically we do clear

[1:25:30] quite a bit of sidewalks. It is pretty taxing on staff, but we do clear those

[1:25:35] sidewalks. We have a priority just to give you an idea. You obviously we start

[1:25:40] with the priority streets, the big ones, the ones that are heavily trafficked and

[1:25:43] then we move into neighborhoods and then we move into culde-sacs and our fourth

[1:25:47] priority is sidewalks that we do get to. So oftent times it does take us a while

[1:25:51] to get to them, especially on big storms. But um we're happy to have that

[1:25:55] discussion with the with the school district and with you all to figure out

[1:25:59] and and certainly public works because uh it's it it's a big deal and we put a

[1:26:06] lot of time and uh a lot of effort into cleaning those sidewalks and it's

[1:26:10] getting bigger and bigger every year that people expect and want those

[1:26:15] sidewalks to clean. So once you've done it once, it's hard to quit. And so

[1:26:19] that's what we're faced with now is just continuing that and um you know keeping

[1:26:24] control of it but also making sure you guys understand what that means and what

[1:26:28] that takes for staff to do.

[1:26:33] We we've never taken the pros we're going to wait for them. There's some

[1:26:38] days we just couldn't get out. They they've done it. It's not 50/50. It's

[1:26:44] probably 6040.

[1:26:49] Um, I want to talk to the the gentleman who does that though. He's got a 4Runner

[1:26:53] and a fourwheeler and a blade. And um, quite often he's he's pushed the snow

[1:27:00] off into the grass and hoping, you know, pushed the grass back to I've never got

[1:27:05] over there and got mad at anybody. But I might want to talk to them and say,

[1:27:11] "Please don't do that.

[1:27:17] We just want to be a part of what's happening on our property moving

[1:27:21] forward. We just want to be a part.

[1:27:27] So I just want one other thing on the snow. I go to work sometimes where I

[1:27:32] punch it in at 4:35 a.m. I'm not going to get out there before before that time

[1:27:37] and do any snow work. So that when I come home at about 12 or 1:00

[1:27:43] melted so I don't have to do it. There was some there still at that time I

[1:27:47] remember getting still blown out. Um that's well beyond the time the kids

[1:27:53] were going to eat. So doesn't do a whole lot of good for that.

[1:27:57] Um, this might be a little controversial,

[1:28:01] but I'm going to say it. [snorts] And and I I don't speak for anybody

[1:28:08] down the road heard that there are comments about this. And I I understand

[1:28:12] that Amanda Arnell Senate 5H do I know what was in that if she addressed this

[1:28:18] at all, but

[1:28:22] we uh Vicki and I and sure who else we believe that this solution took away

[1:28:29] from the problem. Um, we had we had a drain to the the

[1:28:35] sidewalk into the burl was there for 35 years and that was taken away from us.

[1:28:42] Liability was was in the street and on the sideline for all those years. There

[1:28:48] have been several occasions where kids have slipped and fallen and gotten hurt

[1:28:55] and it wasn't with us. has another another family and the parents

[1:29:01] threatened to sue. So that's not that's not beyond the reason of happening now.

[1:29:08] But the slippery part is also going to be an army down where the liability is

[1:29:15] of course and we're happy about that. We would [clears throat] love to see the

[1:29:20] city take that. You're not going to I know asked you but it is there and

[1:29:25] [clears throat] we're aware of it and uh you stay aware of this problem.

[1:29:33] We think that we've been something has been taken away from

[1:29:37] us and the city has made no effort or desire or even said that they're not

[1:29:42] going to give that back to us which is the slope to the sidewalk and to the

[1:29:52] that's what we feel that we need to be made whole through this project. We the

[1:29:57] city has stated that I think that's all.

[1:30:03] Okay. Thank you. Thank you for sharing. Um council, this is a this is a spot

[1:30:08] where I feel like I need to work on my relationship with you.

[1:30:13] Um, I believe you, it was reported to me

[1:30:18] that I got a copy of what was an email to you where I was quoted as saying that

[1:30:25] on a visit to this neighborhood. I promised that if there were any negative

[1:30:30] impacts to the residents property after the project that they would be made

[1:30:36] right by the city and I think we referenced that tonight.

[1:30:41] um as is that statement oversteps my authority.

[1:30:45] Uh that authority belongs to the council and I chose my words carefully that

[1:30:51] night during the visit to avoid claiming authority that is not mine.

[1:30:56] And the correct reference which I wrote down as soon as I left the meeting so

[1:31:02] that I would be sure to have it right is that

[1:31:07] I promised that if there were unreasonable

[1:31:11] that's the new word that's the qualifier negative impacts to the resident's

[1:31:16] property after the project they would be made right by the city by the city with

[1:31:23] appropriate mitigation. So, you know, I'm a me a member of

[1:31:29] council. I'm a non- voting member. I'm h I I'm I'm I'm happy to be part of this

[1:31:34] conversation uh in the discussion, but I want you to

[1:31:37] know that I think it's important to clear that up that I did not step in

[1:31:42] front of your authority and I did not make promises that you all

[1:31:47] have to I did not write a check that you all have to sign

[1:31:51] because of those qualifiers. With that, I'll turn it to you.

[1:32:02] » Um, I feel like uh the information has been good. The discussion like there's

[1:32:07] been a lot before this meeting as well. Um, I don't know necessarily if we have

[1:32:14] objectives with tonight's meeting been kind of a catchup. Um, but I think there

[1:32:19] are some step marching orders that you know that we've got. So, I don't Is

[1:32:23] there another objective that staff or the citizens maybe would like out of

[1:32:29] tonight before we There's [clears throat]

[1:32:33] » I'm just going to say um we're not all here tonight. Not everybody can be here.

[1:32:39] So, if there's a time when everybody could get together and talk, I know that

[1:32:44] would um make some of the others who have a vested interest in this um it

[1:32:52] would come forward and list their thoughts and concerns that can't happen

[1:32:57] tonight because not everyone >> and that can happen willy-nilly with the

[1:33:04] council because the Utah Open Public Meetings Act requires that we do the

[1:33:09] public's business in public and so if we assemble a quorum this is this is great

[1:33:14] legislation I think you would prefer that we not get together behind closed

[1:33:18] doors and burn ourselves so so uh just to finish just to finish so if we as

[1:33:24] these guys know this if we assemble a quorum of the council so everybody can

[1:33:28] get together let me know so we can get it properly noticed and get it get it on

[1:33:33] uh uh on the Utah public notice website and we can get minutes taken

[1:33:41] » [clears throat] >> everyone

[1:33:44] talking because many years ago there was that happened

[1:33:50] behind closed doors that shouldn't have and that was the way to handle the

[1:33:55] situation. So we wanted to move forward and

[1:34:02] and all be on the same page. I will I raised my family here.

[1:34:09] I love the hard.

[1:34:17] I have still in here.

[1:34:23] And this has been hard to not have a voice.

[1:34:29] And because of what happened years ago, I came to believe that I don't know the

[1:34:35] voice. I would like to

[1:34:39] change.

[1:34:45] So my intent to answer your question is I think we have uh some

[1:34:51] what of a punch list. We we need to think about

[1:34:55] uh no parking during pickup and drop off. We need to think about uh snow plow

[1:35:01] um renewable removal. We need to think about the the risk of bicycles and scoot

[1:35:07] and motorized scooters on sidewalks. That's a problem we have to solve

[1:35:12] throughout the city. So, welcome uh I'm not being sarcastic. Welcome to

[1:35:18] that conversation. We need to figure out how to how to keep 25 20 mph electric

[1:35:24] scooters off. I I have I have pedestrians tell me they walk in the

[1:35:29] street because they don't feel safe on the sidewalk because of these other

[1:35:33] transportations.

[1:35:36] Um and so that's that's that's what I've got for a

[1:35:42] bunch of >> Can I just explain the sump every so

[1:35:44] we're all on the same page? So typically when we've had this issue that the idea

[1:35:49] of the sump is to infiltrate the water faster. So typically if there's tighter

[1:35:53] soils you'll have a puddle for longer. So, when we've had that happen in areas

[1:35:57] around town where we've conducted streetside swells and things like that,

[1:36:01] what we'll do is we'll take a back truck and we'll go to the property. We'll cut

[1:36:05] out a 2x two sizeish piece of grass. We'll set that to the

[1:36:10] side. We'll take the vac tube and we will suck down four or five feet maybe

[1:36:15] you know a foot foot and a half in diameter or so fill that back up with

[1:36:19] pearavevel put four or five inches of top soil on top of that and put the

[1:36:23] grass back on top of it and that that's what we have you know considered to be a

[1:36:28] sump and have found success in eliminating undesirable puddles in the

[1:36:33] past. So that's what I've offered to uh anybody if we were to have this problem.

[1:36:37] And we we that takes that's very minimal cost. That's very you know we could do

[1:36:42] all of them probably in an afternoon if we needed to. Um but it's also on their

[1:36:46] property and if if if people want that I would appreciate, you know, they just

[1:36:50] they just got to communicate to us, tell us and and we can make that happen. Um I

[1:36:55] don't know that doesn't need to be a big city council or deal. We can do that.

[1:37:00] So if someone wants to come to >> be clear the city can do that.

[1:37:04] » Yeah. Yeah. We'll take the citizens expense not the citizens all of the

[1:37:09] citizens expense. >> Correct.

[1:37:14] Question I have some water table

[1:37:20] being 40 in. I mean, is that sufficient

[1:37:26] to do something still like a trained pulling anyway or does that need to be

[1:37:32] somehow or connected to the storm drain or I'm just I looked at that and that's

[1:37:38] my my concern with some is the water table low enough that actually work.

[1:37:43] » Yeah. So >> yeah, Tom already talked about soil

[1:37:47] types and >> Yeah. And then we did install the drain

[1:37:50] and that drain we we excavated probably three and a half feet. So and we didn't

[1:37:57] run in any water. It's kind of that lomy soil and it infiltrates rather quickly.

[1:38:02] It's about a half inch per per hour. >> Okay. So even this this what he's

[1:38:07] describing, you're still going to get ponding because it's got to make it

[1:38:10] through that first 6 in of the top soil which is more clay, but then it'll hit

[1:38:15] this and then it'll provide an area storage and it'll just gradually

[1:38:19] infiltrate out into that only sort of. So I I don't think that the groundwater

[1:38:23] would be a big issue. And most of these locations where they they're directed

[1:38:28] into the landscaped area, they're very far away from the the homes. It's not

[1:38:34] like right next to the home. It's These things are maybe within 8 to 10 ft of

[1:38:40] where the sidewalk is. >> Okay. Thanks. Question.

[1:38:45] » Go ahead. [clears throat] >> What was I going to say?

[1:38:49] Um speak into the mic, please. >> Trying to turn over two things really

[1:38:54] quick. So, um, this is outside this scope is just a

[1:39:00] little bit, but some additional law enforcement presence in the evening on

[1:39:07] 2600 would be greatly appreciated. There's there's trucks that are going 60

[1:39:13] mph constant. There's kids on ebikes that

[1:39:18] are riding wheelies, you know, 100 yards down the road in front of our houses.

[1:39:22] » The motorcycles. >> Yes.

[1:39:25] Yeah, it's sensitive copy to me. >> I don't know if everybody look, but I

[1:39:31] drive a bus. What I did ride a bus? I see ebikes all

[1:39:36] day long. Those things can go 40 miles and they're bright.

[1:39:42] Um

[1:39:51] » um [clears throat] we have some dry so you're going to see

[1:39:54] the table not but we did a couple years ago and

[1:40:01] there's a lot of water so um I I don't know what it is right now but I would

[1:40:09] appreciate anything to help get the water you a drain or anything like that,

[1:40:14] but I do know where we just put down the water table and we done the sewer line.

[1:40:21] They hit water and dirt. So, >> okay. Um for let's just just for fun the

[1:40:28] 40 in if that's the right number and Tom we've had we've had holes in that area

[1:40:34] with the pipes and stuff that are in there. Um, a big storm in Cash Valley is

[1:40:41] one inch of precipitation. So, if we talk about a 40 in available

[1:40:47] space, we have to worry about area calculations as well. But if if half of

[1:40:52] the of the gravel it consume if the gravel consumes half

[1:40:57] of that 40 in available volume, so base is 20 in, we get 18 in.

[1:41:05] I'm doing math in public. Don't hold me to this. We get 18 inches of

[1:41:09] precipitation a year in Castell. So, I'm not I'm not saying that it

[1:41:15] doesn't get done without engineering and without the appropriate without the

[1:41:18] appropriate measures, but I'm just putting the putting the numbers in. But

[1:41:24] I think we have a shot and we'll rely on the engineers to make it make it. So,

[1:41:30] » you want the real numbers. The [laughter] real numbers of what the 80

[1:41:36] percentile storm is 6 in in the valley floor. So 80% of the storms are6 in of

[1:41:43] rain or less and we give those periodically. So even if we just give a

[1:41:48] little bit it's going to take care of 80% of the storm. So if we want to go

[1:41:52] the whole 100year storm which is three and a half inches, we can calculate

[1:41:57] easily how much. >> So you're going to criticize me for

[1:41:59] rounding up to one inch? No, no. I just >> always woring.

[1:42:03] » Accuracy for sure. [laughter]

[1:42:08] Thanks. If you want to go down a rabbit hole

[1:42:11] sometime, look at permeable concrete. They have some amazing ability. There

[1:42:18] are some amazing There are some products out there with the amazing ability to

[1:42:23] not divert. It's expensive. not divert water into an area where it can be

[1:42:29] percolated, but you actually percolate it right through concrete. Now, that

[1:42:32] only works if you also tear up the surface or tear up the the strata that's

[1:42:37] underneath permeable concrete. Can't you can't just absorb concrete can't work

[1:42:42] like a sponge. So, we but they can make concrete that will pass water down to a

[1:42:48] sum below the concrete instead of

[1:42:55] » Yeah, you like it. That's why he has sump pump.

[1:42:58] » Sump is a different word there. Go ahead, please.

[1:43:01] » I remember. [clears throat] I think this is in Amanda's information. She sent it

[1:43:06] as well. I thought Reion too, but uh we would like this issue of where the water

[1:43:12] goes and how it works when it's raining and the winter time when it freezes have

[1:43:19] be an open discussion that we we know what it's going to look like. So we need

[1:43:26] we need we're asking to see a summer and a winter how the how the whole thing

[1:43:31] works. Maybe water draining in and then the ground whether it's ice or snow or

[1:43:38] or rain water. So we're asking that this discussion be

[1:43:42] open. There may be some issues during the winter that we haven't thought of

[1:43:46] need to be addressed. >> That's right. I think that's fair. Yeah,

[1:43:49] we we understand that. Um, as a guy that uh has a swell at the bottom of his

[1:43:54] driveway like you do, um, I'm going to ask you this question

[1:44:00] and I think I know the answer. Do you regularly clear the smell from your

[1:44:05] driveway?

[1:44:08] » Yes. But you know what? For the last two years, it's only been one, [laughter]

[1:44:11] right? But when it's >> my experience with a sump at the bottom

[1:44:17] of my driveway at my house, that's my driveway draining out. Not a sump,

[1:44:21] excuse me, a swell. >> It has It can't get up onto the road.

[1:44:27] Same problem you guys have. it. I move a lot of water off my

[1:44:33] driveway by keeping up with snow removal on my driveway to get that snow out into

[1:44:40] the grassy areas on the side of the driveway instead of letting it melt on

[1:44:44] the driveway and run running down into that.

[1:44:46] » We we try to keep on top of it because it always happens.

[1:44:49] » That's if it's if it's a real warm morning after the snow, it's it's always

[1:44:53] melt. >> You probably do better than I do. That's

[1:44:56] good practice. Then we'll take off this.

[1:45:00] » Okay. Any anything council? If you can stick around to hear what the

[1:45:05] council has council has been saying.

[1:45:10] » Anything to add? This wasn't brought up, but one thing I thought on this uh

[1:45:15] talking, you know, the residents of Mary want to be part of these conversations

[1:45:18] that we want them to be as well. See? Um, but the idea and concept of

[1:45:24] suggesting alternative landscaping solutions that might also help like I

[1:45:28] don't know if so like the last house there's just grab sidewalk and fence.

[1:45:34] Um, I think if residents want to I don't know some some advice

[1:45:40] maybe engineering advice of what alternative landscaping they may want

[1:45:43] that is even better brass or just adisement on what they might want to do.

[1:45:48] It's good. It's good thought.

[1:45:53] » Yeah, Nathan,

[1:45:56] the the grass comes down and goes up to the sidewalk. Not a lot, but it it is

[1:46:01] enough. So, the the place where draining is about two or three feet away from the

[1:46:07] side in every case. But I'll tell you, after being married

[1:46:12] to this guy for 40 years, I might suggest because

[1:46:19] [clears throat] you notice the new trees I finally got

[1:46:22] here.

[1:46:26] » Glad you guys worked that out.

[1:46:34] » The correct term is you're escaping with an X, not a zero.

[1:46:40] No landscaping, >> nothing

[1:46:43] nothing landscaping. >> Okay, we'll conclude this item. Thank

[1:46:47] you for coming and sharing with us tonight. We appreciate it. We we have

[1:46:50] things to look on to think about. >> Thanks for that.

[1:46:53] » Yeah. Uh move right on council or Okay, let's

[1:46:58] do it. This is uh another reading on the solicitation

[1:47:06] replacement for solicitation. Thanks for being here tonight. Thanks for your work

[1:47:10] on this.

[1:47:13] » I appreciate the brief moment to present to the council again. Um

[1:47:20] I believe uh the solicitation code was read at another city council meeting. I

[1:47:25] was um absent. Um but um during that meantime, staff has made um some minor

[1:47:33] revisions and also our city attorney has reviewed

[1:47:38] it and didn't have any comments really and all the background said

[1:47:44] perfect. We have the draft before you

[1:47:49] after review from the attorney. So, so in teams, I mean, you've probably

[1:47:56] already seen there's the old one that you had uh before and then the new one

[1:48:00] that should have the red highlighted adjustments removing some things that

[1:48:05] were suggested by

[1:48:14] church council. May I make a motion to approve

[1:48:19] ordinance substituting this station? Thank you,

[1:48:24] Nathan. I have a motion to Nathan, a second from Nick to approve this

[1:48:28] ordinance as presented with the red dots.

[1:48:33] Discussion, please. Yeah, I have a couple items to

[1:48:39] thank. So in uh 2.2 2.1.

[1:48:49] » Oh, just kidding. That's normal. Sorry. Five. Um 5.08.05.

[1:48:56] So point

[1:49:02] um I understand the language there says uh basically describe what you're

[1:49:07] getting for right when they apply for the license or certificate to

[1:49:15] um I understand it says uh including but not limited to. I'm just wondering um

[1:49:20] how staff feels about it being so definitive.

[1:49:24] uh was anything on there when I read it, including the exam has to be on there no

[1:49:28] matter what. And so I didn't know if we were like we just say like you just have

[1:49:34] to fill out a form so that that form can change over time if we need fewer or

[1:49:38] more things. Anyway, just thought I'd bring that up so that a little less

[1:49:43] prescriptive. Maybe we [clears throat] would just maybe considering

[1:49:48] everything out in the bullets. um just kind of saying there will be a form we

[1:49:53] fill it out. So it's you guys that have to do that make the forms. So just

[1:49:58] something to consider there. Um I'll just jump to the next one. You guys want

[1:50:01] to

[1:50:05] » Sure. >> Levi, you have to you you help people

[1:50:08] fill out the form, right? >> Yeah. Uh sometimes it's helpful to have

[1:50:13] it in code. >> Okay.

[1:50:14] » I'll just say that. Um, and occasionally there's something in

[1:50:20] there that it's like, do we really need that? But

[1:50:25] it hasn't been it hasn't really been a huge issue on in other for other forms

[1:50:29] that we've done that I that I've observed. So

[1:50:35] » yeah, I kind of further on

[1:50:40] I mean with my role this will have people that questions about wanting to

[1:50:47] want to serve and it's easier to point towards code that we're trying to be no

[1:50:52] about your status and certain things but you're soliciting within nibly city you

[1:50:57] want to encourage local businesses or or you

[1:51:02] general economics in general, but we want to ensure the safety of our

[1:51:07] citizens. And so we're pointing to some of the things that that uh we feel are

[1:51:11] necessary to that voice. We have people walking on the

[1:51:17] prison property of our residents that we represent. I don't I'm not grinned about

[1:51:23] being seen. They walk on public property, that's another story, but

[1:51:28] walking on private property and knocking on doors. So,

[1:51:33] » uh, that's great. Thank you. Um, so with E, can you just give me an idea

[1:51:38] of what marketing information we would? Um, generally, um, it just helps Levi

[1:51:45] and Amy who are the main, um, reviewers, um, of these applications. Um if they do

[1:51:52] have marketing information such as pamphlets, flyers that they will be

[1:51:56] handing out, we want to ensure that the student implies whether you know we

[1:52:01] haven't had anything but you want to make sure people are handing out things

[1:52:04] that are

[1:52:08] » uh appropriate while also not limiting care to not limit those personalities

[1:52:14] speech. >> I I think I think it also helps just

[1:52:18] with investigating the business. I think we're trying we're trying to make sure

[1:52:22] that it's a legitimate business and it just just helps with that research.

[1:52:30] » In there are some companies that uh go around soliciting textbooks. They'll

[1:52:37] have exchange students come in and some cities choose to uh take a picture with

[1:52:44] that solicitor in front of the city hall and say this person's approved. Please

[1:52:48] listen to their theme. you know, they are approved by so and so city or town.

[1:52:53] And we've had people approach us at Negro City asking if we'll do that and

[1:52:56] we decline. Not because we don't want them to to solicit even though they

[1:53:01] might have a license with us, but we don't want to um give an inappropriate

[1:53:06] perception that we are endorsing this product.

[1:53:19] I have >> Oh, continue.

[1:53:22] Um all right so 5 point well 120 duties of solicitors.

[1:53:34] I think this is just minor but in uh item D. We're missing a word. I think

[1:53:40] we're missing a verb. Yeah. Think that word might be ask

[1:53:45] or requested or something to let I had asked. I had asked as well. So, so let's

[1:53:50] uh let's make that uh give you a chance to read it. Any solicitor who is at any

[1:53:56] time by any occupant of a resident or shall leave immediately.

[1:54:01] » It might better read us your version. >> I request

[1:54:06] » any solicitor >> any solicitor who is at any time

[1:54:12] asked by occupant of a residence or dwelling to leave shall immediately and

[1:54:17] peacefully. I'm going to ask cons for that. Amen.

[1:54:25] Any objection?

[1:54:30] » Um, and I would propose we really highly consider how needed H is.

[1:54:40] Um,

[1:54:44] I know the attorney looked at it, but I think there's some some risk there that

[1:54:49] is Could you read it to us?

[1:54:52] » Yeah, it says the solicitor shall not use obscene language or gestures

[1:54:58] um without context, right? That sounds like we're trying to speech things like

[1:55:03] that. I get what we're trying to do with that, but I I'd recommend we just

[1:55:09] [clears throat] I don't know. It's a motion. That's an option.

[1:55:13] Have a motion to amend. I'll state it removing H. Do we have a second?

[1:55:21] Okay, let's talk about the motion. Uh, that was a notion from a motion.

[1:55:26] There was a motion from Nathan, second from a motion from me. [laughter]

[1:55:34] Although adult can don't say behaviorist they should tell people they can do

[1:55:43] we can't we cannot tell people to not swear at us in public. We might be able

[1:55:49] to say they can't swear at people in private

[1:55:59] makes sense. I think >> you read a lot of the feedback from the

[1:56:03] attorney. You read a lot about make sure we're not sorry that whether it's

[1:56:09] applied or directly. >> Okay, we like to vote on the amendment.

[1:56:15] Any objection voting on the amendment? Seeing none. Those in favor of the

[1:56:18] amendment by removing the please say I post. Okay. Amendment is carried.

[1:56:26] » All right. Final one. Um, this one's more general. We have quite a few

[1:56:31] references to the identification badge.

[1:56:36] Um, and the reference is often capitalized and kind of feels like

[1:56:41] there's a definition somewhere. And I think this might be a little bit of

[1:56:44] playable from previousish. Um, it's mentioned, I mean, if you just search

[1:56:49] for the word badge, you see it's mentioned three times. Um,

[1:56:55] myself too here. So one is in the definition of fees I thought I think

[1:57:01] that's the first time it's brought up

[1:57:07] » um in a previous version identification badge was actually defined so that's why

[1:57:14] in those instances is capitalized and then per direction council and staff

[1:57:20] that was so it would be appropriate for those I mean that could be added this

[1:57:27] now if you'd like or in the final printed copy to me that's not such

[1:57:32] significant change to to make that a lower case but yeah I think that was

[1:57:39] previously defined in there just removed to allow flexib

[1:57:48] just all lowercase badges

[1:57:55] accepts appropriate for I think it's your

[1:57:59] motion. Is that a motion or consent to make it case badge? Okay. Uh is there an

[1:58:07] objection? Okay. We'll make it so it's all all mine. Thank you. Good.

[1:58:14] What else? Nick >> question. Um 58130 on time of day

[1:58:19] restrictions. Um I I brought that last time. Um I I I

[1:58:27] would it would make sense to me to either we deate

[1:58:30] summer hours versus or just restrict the time earlier so

[1:58:36] that it's you know 9:00 [clears throat] in January February that's dark dark

[1:58:42] right um in school and all that kind of stuff. So either to me I would like to

[1:58:46] see us either specify leave it at 9 p.m. and specify summer hours or just

[1:58:52] restrict it to earlier.

[1:58:58] What's the most give us a proposal?

[1:59:07] » My number was eight. >> Okay.

[1:59:09] » ATM. So I would I was ready to make our opinion

[1:59:14] » an attempted [laughter] to >> but I think maybe can we just do further

[1:59:19] discussion would we? >> Yeah. Yeah. Instead of making a motion

[1:59:22] either or I think would be amenable in the summertime

[1:59:28] and then we restrict it during non-summer or just

[1:59:34] if people have an appetite for that two weeks

[1:59:36] » or it it we have to make it so complicated about what are what time of

[1:59:42] the count what time of the year what months of the year some hours and which

[1:59:47] are winter and it doesn't change all at once.

[1:59:50] Yeah. >> So, I mean, if you want to go with uh

[1:59:54] sunrise and sunset, I have a I have a timer that opens and closes the chicken

[1:59:59] door on the coupe that is actually sync. It knows sunrise and sunset time.

[2:00:06] We could make the solicitation hours the same as the chicken doors, 30 minutes

[2:00:12] after sunset. [laughter]

[2:00:17] [clears throat] All right. Thank you. Can I make a

[2:00:21] motion to change the 558 51830 to change the after 7 p.m.? Have a motion

[2:00:31] from Nick, a second from Garrett. Let's change the stop time to 7 p.m.

[2:00:38] discussion on the motion to amend.

[2:00:45] Any objection to voting on the motion to amend? Seeing none, those in favor of

[2:00:48] changing the stop time to 7 p.m., please say I. Any opposed? Thank you, Nick.

[2:00:55] If I might um just share, the most restrictive I found was 10:30 a.m. to 4

[2:01:02] p.m. >> Can I make a new [laughter]

[2:01:08] people are working? [laughter]

[2:01:13] Thank you. Anything else?

[2:01:19] ready to vote. Okay, I see no objection to voting. So,

[2:01:23] let's call the role, please. We have an amended motion if you have any questions

[2:01:27] about what the amendments are. I think we've I think and thank you for Thank

[2:01:32] you. We are on screen. Thank you. Thank you for bringing those specific

[2:01:36] suggestions to to us. Um Cheryl, if you'll call the roll, please.

[2:01:42] » 12 vote. >> In favor?

[2:01:45] » Yeah. in favor

[2:01:49] in favor

[2:01:53] by in favor none opposed. So >> appreciate your appreciate your work on

[2:01:58] that. >> Let's talk about a development agreement

[2:02:03] on Hall Road. We discussed this for first reading before uh the foronents

[2:02:10] are here. Thank you for coming. We'll give you plenty of opportunity to speak

[2:02:12] to the council. Uh but we'll ask Levi for an introduction.

[2:02:18] » Yeah. So the uh the council task staff to ask ask a few questions of the

[2:02:25] attorney in regards to the fee and Lou. So I'm just going to give an update on

[2:02:29] that. It was the the full response was shared with the council and there's a

[2:02:33] summary in the in the meeting packet. Uh but really it it it came came down to

[2:02:39] these two questions. one is that you know whether there was the the fee and

[2:02:45] loo would be tied to specifically to the frontage improvements. So in other

[2:02:49] words, do does if the city takes the fee in LW, do we have to use them

[2:02:53] specifically for that that specific project? And the the attorney said uh

[2:03:00] that they do need to benefit the specific subdivision have a relationship

[2:03:03] to the needs created by the subdivision, but uh they they don't need to be tied

[2:03:08] to that specific project. So it can be for something different as long as it

[2:03:14] meets those other objectives. And then um also there's no time limit for

[2:03:20] expending those those funds. There's a question on you know do we have to spend

[2:03:24] it within a certain amount of time. [clears throat]

[2:03:26] So that that's pretty much it. Uh I I I did ask a followup question of does it

[2:03:32] make it any different where it's a development agreement? Um and he said

[2:03:36] no. So

[2:03:42] » yeah, you guys saw that in the packet. in the public information and u uh

[2:03:49] we'll give you guys a chance. Um if you have something you like to say come up

[2:03:53] and say

[2:04:00] not much just thank you for coming. Oh yeah.

[2:04:03] » Yep. Michael 4150. Um thank you for considering this

[2:04:10] development agreement. Um if we um express our thoughts and concerns and I

[2:04:15] think we have patiently make a decision.

[2:04:19] » Perfect. >> Thank you. And we

[2:04:22] huge blessing benefit.

[2:04:37] » So just to follow up with Levi. So things like it doesn't have to be used

[2:04:42] on disadvantage, but if there was a fee in charge, uh it would need to be used

[2:04:47] something to benefit sub. So could that be something like if we

[2:04:51] were chipping ceiling the road that fund what types of things would that be used

[2:04:57] to? >> I mean, we didn't we didn't get into a

[2:05:00] specific discussion with the attorney, but he it did say it needs to benefit

[2:05:05] this, but not solely benefit this. So it can go beyond the benefit can go beyond

[2:05:11] this this specific subdivision.

[2:05:21] » I I'm maybe I don't know >> that's how I

[2:05:26] » and I'm we have a safety problem

[2:05:32] on North. a difficult resection to get on to 165

[2:05:38] because of limited sight distance. I know our master transportation plan

[2:05:43] we're working on with the impact is we'll have at least one comment

[2:05:49] about trying to fix that. Uh but there's limited and it and it's even a bigger

[2:05:54] problem trying to go south. It's it's not squared up. There's the the

[2:06:01] topography makes it hard. So, I have no doubt that the city needs to

[2:06:07] work on that one of these days. And certainly the subdivision would not be

[2:06:11] the sole benefactor of that, but I think the new law would

[2:06:16] be a benefactor of a project like that. When will that happen? I don't have a I

[2:06:23] don't have a time schedule that >> we also don't have a time limitation on

[2:06:27] when we need to use script. So,

[2:06:44] You can go first. I was going to say AR kind of kicked that as I read that

[2:06:50] attorneys know we're had to benefit the subdivision and we all agreed last time

[2:06:56] that there's probably never going to be her guard sidewalk on Hall of Road at

[2:07:01] least in our lifetime. Uh didn't even make sense but anyway some of that and

[2:07:07] so appreciate that.

[2:07:14] » Okay. There we go.

[2:07:15] » You know, I was I was here last time to get into the the bulk of the beginning

[2:07:20] of this conversation. So, I'm coming to this meeting on that, but my as I looked

[2:07:26] at it and read what I could and to the applicant,

[2:07:31] I just um where I sit today from my perspective, I just wonder if it's a

[2:07:36] good idea if we extract this fee um

[2:07:42] from the applicant. I I feel like we're almost um

[2:07:46] we have a develop you know obviously you're going to you're going to have to

[2:07:50] pay to to develop anything but it's like

[2:07:54] we're double taxing here almost and I'm uncomfortable with that

[2:08:00] and we always have an impact fee but I feel like you know we're impacting feet

[2:08:04] twice because we're really not going to have a

[2:08:07] sidewalk there and so well I think we could extract the fee. I think we could

[2:08:12] I think we you go through the legal and absolutely could and that could benefit

[2:08:16] projects on hollow world in the future but should we though

[2:08:21] should this applicant you know very blunt of that because they want to

[2:08:26] develop in a place that's never going to get signed by so I just wonder if that's

[2:08:31] the right thing to do

[2:08:35] so I don't know what the council's opinion amount is on that but that's

[2:08:39] from where I sit and I missed the last conversation

[2:08:41] It just doesn't smell right that this is a good idea. Citizen have to pay his

[2:08:45] feet. So maybe I need to be helped on on

[2:08:50] » So here's some of the discussion we had. I if you guys want me to jump in. Um

[2:08:56] certainly the rest of road will probably it'll be over my dead body have carbon

[2:09:02] gutter and sidewalk in part because of the zoning.

[2:09:07] Right. So bar e 2acre zoning um

[2:09:15] it it can be waved to not do a sidewalk.

[2:09:21] So you know we've we've had a petition for annexation on

[2:09:27] 20 acres south of nibly current. It's up to the council, I think, to wave

[2:09:35] the requirement for urban gutter outside law in the re zone. That's 2 acres only.

[2:09:42] Um the the the the problem you guys are dealing with is the code says that's

[2:09:49] only agricultural and relying that the sidewalk requirement can be

[2:09:55] waved. And the code says, even though we're working on a development brief,

[2:10:00] code says in R1A, we shall have sidewalks. And if we don't

[2:10:05] have sidewalks, we shall have the fee collected sidewalks.

[2:10:10] And so it it sounds like a a burden on this property compared to the rest of

[2:10:19] road, but in fact it's the R1A zoning

[2:10:24] that makes this project possible at all.

[2:10:31] Um, the other concern that we talked about

[2:10:34] was

[2:10:38] how much exposure do you want to other developers

[2:10:44] in R1A that's a sidewalk doesn't make sense here and my project.

[2:10:52] So, it's it's we we have to

[2:10:59] and I appreciate you as neighbors and I love it that you're citizens of Midway,

[2:11:02] but we're considering a request from a developer.

[2:11:08] They they are also citizens, but this is a requirement of developers in the R1A

[2:11:14] zone and the other zones except RE and agriculture. It's not a requirement of

[2:11:19] citizens. It's a requirement of the developer.

[2:11:25] » Does that kind of capture the things we talked about? I'm not trying to not

[2:11:30] trying to sway this. I'm just trying to answer your question about what we

[2:11:34] talked about. >> Yeah.

[2:11:38] » There we have that journey in because we're

[2:11:42] like, well, do you collect the speed when you hold this indefinitely? It

[2:11:47] doesn't have to be used for feature sidewalks which don't believe will ever

[2:11:51] happen on Hall Road. That is why we have to try to get different

[2:11:57] you know they had for sidewalks long haul road

[2:12:04] makes sense

[2:12:08] but if it can be used for anything any project it benefit then maybe I guess

[2:12:16] makes sense as it is in the coding required

[2:12:19] um [clears throat] I don't make an exception She is when

[2:12:23] you make only

[2:12:29] Nathan. >> Yeah, I also just want to keep saying

[2:12:33] there's never going to be PSI on the road. Don't say that.

[2:12:38] » Never is a very long time in my lifetime. Never was a very long time.

[2:12:43] And >> and I will not live forever. Can make

[2:12:46] good on your promise.

[2:12:54] » [laughter]

[2:12:57] » about um this property

[2:13:02] is two three lots of an existing sidewalk on Hollow Road,

[2:13:08] right? It's it's not an a known thing. Um

[2:13:14] and so I think that's why we kind of thought that you make sense because we

[2:13:18] don't know the future. We think we do think we'll be dead here. U but I I just

[2:13:26] think that's important. So um you know there's been projects to try to

[2:13:31] make hall road

[2:13:35] safer but like more not necessarily putting curve gut and

[2:13:40] sidewalk but other alternatives. And those are projects that at one point

[2:13:44] were I thought in the budget that we never did because of county problems or

[2:13:50] things like that. But this is a great example of why that could be just

[2:13:55] painting some sort of lines that we can use a lot of people on the road. But in

[2:13:59] the end I think making a safer road for pedestrians.

[2:14:04] So even think there are things that also needs

[2:14:09] with this br

[2:14:17] otherwise we make them put in a lot of concrete ways in our lifetime.

[2:14:31] » Thank you Nathan Eric. >> I make a motion. this to approve

[2:14:34] ordinance 261 with the condition that the applicant

[2:14:47] agreement which includes uh the side

[2:14:53] [laughter] get clarification um is the language basically what is suggested by

[2:14:59] staff you're proposing

[2:15:06] Okay. Clarification.

[2:15:14] » I think yes sir. I I I agree a lot with what you say there. I think it really

[2:15:18] comes down to I mean it's in the code that's a requirement. I just want I just

[2:15:23] I think you have to be really careful with um any developer that comes to any

[2:15:28] rate and and reducing the likelihood that this is a negotiation all time. I

[2:15:34] just don't know if that's great for the city. So just think sense

[2:15:42] and and to be clear the council has the authority to not

[2:15:47] follow the code. That's why we're having this discussion.

[2:15:51] So a middle ball question then who determines how much the output have to

[2:15:56] pay then >> probably

[2:15:59] that as an engineer or you you or a design company you

[2:16:05] » so we can do it a number of ways and I know Michael and I can come to a good

[2:16:10] resolution. We can go to get three bids. I have cost estimates from other

[2:16:14] developments that I can compare a single bid to just see if it is. I I know we

[2:16:20] can work it out and have something that's reasonable.

[2:16:26] » The council doesn't need to get involved.

[2:16:30] » I was just curious process that would be involved in that.

[2:16:34] That that doesn't seem fair. I hear every what everyone is saying. I

[2:16:39] I hear that I'm in a memory of my thoughts on this and I I'm from the

[2:16:45] council's perspective. I still I think it's a good example to

[2:16:50] have an exception. I I really do. I just think that

[2:16:57] it's a burden that we should have to bear in this one parcel of land.

[2:17:03] the best nation.

[2:17:09] Okay. Any other comments, thoughts, any opposition to voting? Before we

[2:17:14] vote, thank you for working through this with us. You guys been patient and

[2:17:19] gracious. Thank you for that. Uh since I did not see an objection to voting,

[2:17:25] let's proceed with it. And Cheryl, we call the roll. Council

[2:17:29] » members object.

[2:17:33] Thank you.

[2:17:40] » In favor in favor.

[2:17:45] » Thank you. >> Four in favor. One opposed. So the

[2:17:48] development agreement is stopped. Can't wait to see you guys not build sidewalks

[2:17:54] but build other things. Thank you.

[2:18:01] Let's go right into ordinance 2613.

[2:18:08] » Oh yeah. Thank you for helping me on that. So without objection, we'll take

[2:25:55] No, no, no, no. Now we are. >> Hey,

[2:26:00] if we come back to order, please. Let's talk about uh permitted science.

[2:26:07] Levi, will you lead us into that, please?

[2:26:11] » Yes. So, um this was this review was brought up by a uh a

[2:26:19] bill in the state legislature which basically prohibits cities from um

[2:26:26] prohibiting political signs and park strips as long as long as the adjacent

[2:26:32] property owner consents to the political sign being there. So, but when you know

[2:26:38] as as we often do once we open up the the book, we kind of start poking holes

[2:26:45] in other things. So, that's kind of what we did here. There's there's a number of

[2:26:48] other changes with the planning commission as we reviewed the sign code

[2:26:52] uh that that are being suggested. So yeah, that that first one obviously is

[2:26:59] mandate from the state legislature that we basically are going to, you know,

[2:27:04] leave political signs alone in the park strip unless and and I think in practice

[2:27:09] kind of what what I've said um that I think makes the most sense at least from

[2:27:15] you know an enforcement standpoint is probably what's going to happen is

[2:27:19] unless they're adjacent to a city property, we're probably just not going

[2:27:22] to touch them because we're not going to go survey residents and say, "Hey, is is

[2:27:27] that allowed?" Unless we get a complaint from somebody that says, "Hey, there's a

[2:27:31] political sign out front. I didn't let them put it there." Then at that point,

[2:27:35] we would probably pull the sign. But anyway, the state legislature passed

[2:27:40] that law, so we've it's in this amendment.

[2:27:45] Um, let's see here. The other than that, uh we we did review the

[2:27:54] this uh sign code and there we did update the definition and and some

[2:28:00] regulations on temporary signage and

[2:28:05] uh really tried to clarify it a little bit more. Uh we did have add a time

[2:28:11] frame of in in this amendment of 90 day up to 90 days. Um or 48 hours after if

[2:28:20] it's if it's advertising event it' be 48 hours after an event. Um so that that

[2:28:26] was added that was clarified. I I can go into the code for specifically what it

[2:28:31] says but I just wanted to summarize here. Uh in the in the code right now,

[2:28:37] there's a chart that spells out which signs need a building permit and which

[2:28:42] signs don't. And most of them do show building permit. So rather than

[2:28:47] rather than um pointing at, you know, specific signs and whether they need a

[2:28:52] building permit or not, uh we're we're just referencing the building code. And

[2:28:57] so if it requires a a building permit or a building code then then uh we would

[2:29:04] that you know that would be pursued. And I'll say that that that somewhat relates

[2:29:10] to uh another change and that is that you

[2:29:15] know currently it requires most signs require conditional use permit. We don't

[2:29:21] have really a staff administered sign permit u process. U so if it's a

[2:29:28] permitted sign they can just build it. Um but if it's if it's a conditional use

[2:29:36] then they have to go to planning commission for a conditional use permit.

[2:29:39] What this changes is that it's a any sign listed is a permitted use but

[2:29:46] it requires a signed permit. So it it that would be administered by staff. So,

[2:29:50] we would we would create an application. It'd be similar to what we do with

[2:29:55] fences currently or accessory buildings. It's basically a zoning clearance. And

[2:30:00] then when that's reviewed, then then we can determine if they would need a

[2:30:04] building permit for that for that sign. So, uh amending that process. Um

[2:30:12] there there's also a a current setback of 10 ft or all signs which the planning

[2:30:21] commission felt was quite restrictive and so it's being amended to 3 ft with

[2:30:26] this ordinance um for signs.

[2:30:31] There's I think there's some language in there

[2:30:35] that says that you know it can't constitute a a sight distance hazard or

[2:30:41] anything like that but you know traffic hazard but reduction they they just felt

[2:30:47] like 10 ft was pretty unreasonable in a lot of cases. So sorry go ahead

[2:30:55] » the property line. So not from the roadway but from the property line. So

[2:30:59] if you think, you know, you've got a a sidewalk, usually back of sidewalk, um

[2:31:05] one foot behind the back of sidewalk, another 10 feet. So you're really 11 ft

[2:31:10] from the sidewalk is what the restriction is. I don't know how many

[2:31:14] signs are compliant with that, but that is what's written in the code. So

[2:31:20] um the the the Maverick sign that they just put in that that it that does

[2:31:25] comply with that 10- foot setback. um just for reference, but

[2:31:33] that's that's being recommended to be changed.

[2:31:37] And then this last one came from legal review. It wasn't it wasn't a no one was

[2:31:44] necessarily clamoring for this, but it it was removing there. There's this

[2:31:49] restriction for electronic message display signs that they can't be for

[2:31:55] sexually oriented businesses. And the the attorney just commented that we this

[2:32:02] could be scrutinized for content neutrality kind of first amendment

[2:32:07] issues where we're we're getting into the content of the sign, not not the you

[2:32:13] know, not the type of sign or the So anyway, he he said that there could be

[2:32:19] there could be a path forward if we want to restrict this, but planning

[2:32:23] commission and staff's recommendation was just to strike that specific

[2:32:27] provision

[2:32:31] and let's see so that's a summary of the changes

[2:32:37] um planning commission staff

[2:32:41] recommendations a little bit different so planning commission's recommendation

[2:32:44] is to approve the ordinance as as uh recommended

[2:32:49] staff staff has reviewed this further actually since the

[2:32:54] um the last or since planning commission recommended this. And one one uh

[2:33:01] revision that we're requesting be incorporated is there's currently in in

[2:33:07] the current draft, not not in the ordinance, but in the current draft,

[2:33:10] there is an exception for um signs in the park strip for that are temporary

[2:33:18] signage advertising city sponsored, city approved events.

[2:33:23] Um and and we're we're s we're recommending

[2:33:29] as staff to strike that provision. So basically that we would have to Yeah.

[2:33:34] And Justin could speak to that. >> I'll speak to that. I just feel like

[2:33:37] it's not a great look for us to be not following our own code. So I've had some

[2:33:41] discussions with Chad about this. Chad's not happy with this. Frankly, I haven't

[2:33:46] had a lot of discussion with Chad about it, but I've told him that this

[2:33:49] ordinance is being looked at and that uh I I would like staff to follow whatever

[2:33:56] the code says and not make special exceptions for the city and for city

[2:34:00] events. I've I've just felt that over the years from numerous uh public

[2:34:04] officials and people. So, I just think it's a good idea. Um

[2:34:09] that's why I made that recommendation. So does this apply even in parks? So we

[2:34:15] can't advertise city events with signs even parks just parks

[2:34:23] » only.

[2:34:32] » Well, that's a good question. I didn't know if that was limited to political

[2:34:35] signs only or any sign. That's a question.

[2:34:39] Yeah, I I that's something I still wanted to

[2:34:43] follow up with Mo on. I did go to a training. Some cities are interpreting

[2:34:49] this code, this new state code to say we can't regulate any

[2:34:56] of these signs in the park strip because again back to content neutrality. We we

[2:35:03] can't we can't say okay well this political sign's allowed but this sign

[2:35:07] that is advertising something here is not allowed. that the attorney didn't

[2:35:13] um didn't go that far to to say that. I was going to follow back up with him. I

[2:35:18] haven't had a chance to do that. So, I can do that if you want to take this to

[2:35:21] second reading. But I I don't know. I think I think there's

[2:35:28] based on some training I've been to, I think there's going to be maybe some

[2:35:33] followup in the next legislative session on that because a lot of cities are

[2:35:37] saying, "Well, we don't we don't like to get into what is on the sign, whether

[2:35:42] it's a political sign, because it's a first amendment issue, and

[2:35:46] » we're not going to regulate whether it's a political sign or someone's business

[2:35:49] or or whatever." >> Yeah. And with the state,

[2:35:55] » they did. They did. >> They defined it. But again, they don't

[2:36:01] trump, I guess, the the First Amendment. So,

[2:36:07] » anyway, >> they do. [laughter]

[2:36:11] » I don't know. I guess

[2:36:14] » it shall be tested. That's what some That's what some cities I like in in the

[2:36:20] trainings I've been to, that's what they've said. I don't I'm not saying

[2:36:22] that we need to go in that direction, but that's just something I'm looking

[2:36:27] at. >> Yeah, the mere state code. Yes.

[2:36:39] » I'll maybe just add on I had some discussion. I those those signs are

[2:36:42] fairly effective. So my my goal is not to remove the signs, but just to put us

[2:36:46] on the same playing field and not be out taking out other people's signs when our

[2:36:51] signs are out in the park. >> Yeah. I I think the Utah League has

[2:36:58] published data that says unfortunately in my opinion the most

[2:37:04] effective campaign method is science that people look at that don't do any

[2:37:11] more research than how many signs they see

[2:37:15] any more research before they go out that how many signs they

[2:37:22] unfortunate So corrup we take all political sides

[2:37:28] out of and people would vote in total ignorance instead of partial. [laughter]

[2:37:34] » That's sarcastic.

[2:37:39] » Yeah. So, Levi, the draft in the box is

[2:37:47] applying the same code to city events, advertising city events or are city I I

[2:37:54] look for, but our city >> city uh signs advertising city events

[2:38:00] still uh exempted from park sites. The one the

[2:38:06] one that's in the >> in teams is is uh

[2:38:13] the planning commission recommendation which includes that exemption and that

[2:38:18] was staff's recommendation to the planning commission to be to be clear

[2:38:22] after the meeting and with further review we I guess we amended it

[2:38:27] » staff's recommendation at the time but [clears throat] you've you the staff has

[2:38:31] thought about it since then. >> Yeah. and talked about eliminating the

[2:38:37] exemption for city sites. >> Yeah.

[2:38:40] » Being regulated. >> Yes.

[2:38:48] » Oops. Do we guess I'm not remembering clearly as a city? Do we often place our

[2:38:56] advertisements, our yard signs in the park strip or they more typically on the

[2:39:01] past, you know, closer past the sidewalk on the actual parks grass?

[2:39:06] » There's a ton of them in the park strip and and in and in medians. That would be

[2:39:11] the other thing because public rideway. So

[2:39:14] » yeah, there's a lot of them.

[2:39:20] » Well, this question about regulating political science.

[2:39:25] » Yeah. >> And public property or we strips and

[2:39:29] means or we regulating all science because neutral content neutrality

[2:39:34] and scripts and we need to figure that out.

[2:39:38] » Yeah, it's a great question. >> Yeah.

[2:39:44] » So then right now

[2:39:48] signs being allowed in the park.

[2:39:53] » [clears throat] >> Well, it sounds like something

[2:39:54] politicians would vote for. [laughter]

[2:39:59] » And I'm not sure that the legislature um said anything beyond you can't

[2:40:07] prohibit political signs in the park strip. And so cities may have other

[2:40:13] restrictions on signs in park strips, but I I think the legislature

[2:40:19] said you can't prohibit political yard kind of signs.

[2:40:24] » Yep. >> I will give you a motion

[2:40:30] [clears throat] to approve ordinance 2613

[2:40:35] for first reading. Motion second from Nick to advance this

[2:40:40] to second. You can talk some more. So, you know,

[2:40:46] do you understand Levi? We've got some questions to answer

[2:40:50] about uh whether it's just political science or

[2:40:55] whether it's all science. Yeah. >> Okay.

[2:41:01] » I'm not sure there's any research for statue on the history.

[2:41:06] U I mean it's related but depending on how it come down. um if on advertising

[2:41:14] city events. So either we keep that exemption on

[2:41:19] prohibition or we don't. And I'm not sure there's any research to

[2:41:25] do. I mean you go talk to Chad. >> I know. Yeah.

[2:41:29] » Sorry. You know Chad is out of town. I had a brief discussion with Curtis about

[2:41:33] it. That's why I mentioned they they say they're effective and they we did he

[2:41:38] took a look at uh the

[2:41:42] I'm trying to remember exactly what this was. It was the questionnaire for people

[2:41:46] that end up on waiting list >> for soccer. One of the questions how did

[2:41:51] you know about this or hear about our program and there was a big chunk of

[2:41:54] them that were said road signs. So again I I am not against the road signs. I

[2:41:59] just want us to live by the same rules as everybody else.

[2:42:04] And if that's the case, then we're not going to prohibit

[2:42:08] political science. We're not we're going to live by the same rules. The city's

[2:42:12] going to live by the same rules as everyone else. We wouldn't want to keep

[2:42:16] city science. We need to get we need to not prohibit anybody science.

[2:42:20] I think it's [clears throat] a bad one with you. I think people don't I think

[2:42:25] candidates don't understand. I think window washing companies don't

[2:42:29] understand that they can't advertise in the park

[2:42:33] strips. And why would they understand that? Because they see all these other

[2:42:38] sites. They don't notice that they're all advertising nibbly city events.

[2:42:45] But why wouldn't they think it's okay?

[2:42:54] I understand cuz Cheryl tells of me or told me many times.

[2:43:00] » So kudos to you, Cheryl. I understand.

[2:43:06] Oh, bird came on. >> I remember this day that Levi went out

[2:43:12] and rounded up a bunch of my sign [laughter]

[2:43:16] and I swear to goodness those signs were on the front yard side of the sidewalk

[2:43:23] when I planted them and then they mowed the grass [laughter]

[2:43:30] » and the resident moved it into the parking and I got busted for it.

[2:43:35] wouldn't do it anymore.

[2:43:39] » When you see your sign placed properly, we need to put there

[2:43:44] some or someone in your staff, whatever, but it's there somewhere on the property

[2:43:49] or the owner and then it's share and I do as many as I possibly could. I would

[2:43:54] apologize if that was the case, but I always the park share is that that's not

[2:43:59] my land, but I maintain it for the city. You've been citizens

[2:44:12] like my other part of my life. >> And there are a lot of people that

[2:44:18] believe the park strip and the sidewalk are their rent.

[2:44:23] » Yeah. >> And we've gone through that, right? I

[2:44:26] didn't I didn't park on the sidewalk. I parked in my driveway,

[2:44:31] you know, in in in this part where the van diagram intersects.

[2:44:37] That's not a sidewalk. That's my drive. Whether the ideal science can be there

[2:44:45] is I think it opens Canada.

[2:44:52] question for 20 seconds. [clears throat] Uh interpreting the state law which I've

[2:44:58] not read. Uh can we So we're saying here that they

[2:45:03] have to ask permission. Is that allowable say ask that they

[2:45:10] asked for permission? >> Yeah, we can. I just know practically.

[2:45:14] Are we going to go knock on people's door and say is did they did they let

[2:45:18] you put that sign there? No, >> we can't. We can't condition

[2:45:22] We can. >> So one option

[2:45:26] something is you know how polical candidates have

[2:45:31] to like endorse their things. Maybe we implement it within that just res says

[2:45:37] I'm okay with the sign being here. >> Sign it.

[2:45:40] » They have to like sign it or put a message on the sign that says I'm okay

[2:45:43] with the sign being there. >> That's just a thoughtpie.

[2:45:47] » Yeah. They don't be like super sick. We say no has to give proof that they're

[2:45:53] okay with being there because we have residents who

[2:45:59] may not have the courage to like call the city and

[2:46:07] it forces the candidates to do the work required to get the permission.

[2:46:15] See if there's a I just want to see action.

[2:46:29] for people distributing this school.

[2:46:34] » So we can look for an emblem

[2:46:39] » statement of approval from who would hold that state.

[2:46:46] Oh, >> I approve of this message. [laughter]

[2:46:58] [laughter]

[2:47:00] [clears throat]

[2:47:05] » Yeah, just curious. >> We don't have to be stupid.

[2:47:13] The only way I see us being able to

[2:47:18] If state allows it allows it if the conditionals are there.

[2:47:28] » So that's question from the week.

[2:47:39] » Greg, it's a property a rights issue. You want to weigh in on this? It's not a

[2:47:43] public hearing, but I'm >> okay.

[2:47:50] » I got a 2 by you can lease [clears throat]

[2:47:55] where you're Okay.

[2:48:01] » He's here every and we're going to consider a property.

[2:48:06] We're going to consider this as a property Francis as we speak. uh from

[2:48:10] from failure is definitely uh for sale real estate. We really do like as leeway

[2:48:18] as we can to put for some for uh to help our clients. We also will frequently

[2:48:25] have opening. So [clears throat] those are a temporary sign and we we do like

[2:48:30] leniency on that to be able to market home. uh thumb cities are not as

[2:48:36] accommodated and they actually have enforcement that will come and take our

[2:48:40] thumbs. We would love to know where they end up. They probably in the landfield,

[2:48:46] but um th this is nice to see that it's being discussed and it is being talked

[2:48:53] about. Um, I I think that discussion of uh whether or not all signs are allowed

[2:49:01] in departure versus just political is something that would be valuable to

[2:49:06] discuss. I I think in both a pro and cons sense that that could come up to uh

[2:49:14] that may come up to

[2:49:17] myself on a on a personal business end. Oh, I would love to put signs in say I

[2:49:23] can help set the and do you become do you become a billboard in parts of a

[2:49:31] lot of people? Thank you very much.

[2:49:34] » Yeah, thank you.

[2:49:39] » I would appreciate if there was a clause that required

[2:49:42] no for sale realtor science in city manager's garage.

[2:49:49] you. [laughter] >> Yeah.

[2:49:54] [clears throat]

[2:49:57] » So, it's good we talk about um the definition of like we have street

[2:50:04] banner, right? So, for instance, there's a couple times you'll see like

[2:50:09] signs on fences, right? Whether they're political or

[2:50:15] realtors or whatever. Uh, as I read this, those do not require the bank.

[2:50:23] » Yeah, I think that'd be considered a temporary

[2:50:26] I think that'd be considered a temporary sign.

[2:50:33] » Well, I think we have a limit of 90 days, but

[2:50:38] yeah,

[2:50:42] while we're while we're changing code. Yeah,

[2:50:51] » I'm trying to find a picture on my phone. We wonder about what happens to

[2:50:55] those signs that Levi and Evan picked up and you did your best. They did their

[2:51:01] best to notify the owner of the sign to come and get your city office. In my

[2:51:07] shop, I have a

[2:51:11] small overhead garage door and

[2:51:16] I put some insulation in that door because it wasn't part of the original

[2:51:20] construction, but it was just like foam insulation. And so I took those I took a

[2:51:27] collection of those signs and reused them to a really good thing

[2:51:33] to line the inside door of my [laughter] over my overhead door in my shop

[2:51:41] right next to the old tractor tractor.

[2:51:45] » They would have gone to the landfill otherwise just just for the record. But

[2:51:49] that's where and and they had adequate time to pick them up, [laughter] but

[2:51:53] they were in Levi's office for 6 months. And take those if you don't mind. I'll

[2:51:59] keep them. >> I'm going to patch it around.

[2:52:05] » Leave the public record now. Let you take a picture. [laughter]

[2:52:14] I have old dog licensing signs that we obsed when we change the due date.

[2:52:24] » Justin, >> you [clears throat] could do that with

[2:52:26] the realtor's garage. Okay. >> Yeah, I need a new screen. Sorry.

[2:52:33] » Do we have a motion? >> We have a motion to advance second.

[2:52:36] We've been giving staff um we've been giving staff direction

[2:52:41] things to answer. Anything else to to look up and deal with before that?

[2:52:48] Okay. Any opposition to voting on first motion, first reading? Seeing none,

[2:52:53] those in favor of advancing this second reading, please say I. Any opposed? 5 Z

[2:52:59] passes. Thank you.

[2:53:06] Okay, let's talk about inactive applications.

[2:53:10] All right, so we've had this we've had this issue

[2:53:14] of land use applications where

[2:53:19] you know in in the subdivision process we have very prescriptive amount of time

[2:53:25] that our staff has to respond to the applicant. For example, for preliminary

[2:53:30] plat, it's uh 15 business days and it's 20 business days for final plat.

[2:53:37] Uh what we don't have is an expiration for the applicant.

[2:53:43] And the reason why we're suggesting this is if it's been if it's been a long

[2:53:51] time, a a lot of times the our codes have changed. Uh different circumstances

[2:53:58] have changed. And so we we're recommending a 180day

[2:54:04] um limit for and and really it's it's a clarification because state code does

[2:54:10] allow us to expire applications within a you know a reasonably reasonable time

[2:54:15] but we haven't and we have expired applications before in the past if

[2:54:19] they've gone on for a year or I mean just kind of a

[2:54:25] a I'll just say a random amount of time. We just want to standardize it and say

[2:54:31] 180 days. They can ask for a one-time extension of 100 180 additional days

[2:54:37] from whoever the approval authority is for the application.

[2:54:42] U but what this does is is it then it would any expired application would have

[2:54:48] to resubmit and they would have to they wouldn't be vested under whatever the

[2:54:52] code was previously. they'd have to adhere to the

[2:54:57] um what whatever [clears throat] the code is at the time they they submit

[2:54:59] application. So pretty simple um ordinance

[2:55:05] and it really there there's other times that we have other time frames in our

[2:55:11] code of like for example when you get approval for preliminary plat

[2:55:17] uh you have to within a year submit for final plat. We have other kind of

[2:55:22] deadlines, but really this is speaking to applications where

[2:55:28] either staff or it could be the approval, you know, whoever the approval

[2:55:31] authority, it could be council requests some an update information that's

[2:55:37] necessary for the application and it just sits for 180 days or longer.

[2:55:42] Nothing happens at at that point. It would be expired. Um, and the onus would

[2:55:48] be on the on the applicant to come forward and say, "Hey, I need I need

[2:55:52] some additional time. Can you grant me another 180 days?" They could do that

[2:55:56] and and they could be granted that additional time, but both staff and

[2:56:02] planning commission recommend approval of this ordinance.

[2:56:07] » Nathan, get a motion to approve ordinance 2612 first reading. Motion

[2:56:14] from Nick and second from Nick. Discussion please. Nick question for

[2:56:18] Levi. Does are we defining like does this apply to all types of land use

[2:56:24] applications or are so Yes. >> Yes.

[2:56:26] » So I want to paint a picture of an example, right? Like we just had one

[2:56:29] come through recently where we wanted to we went through this rigorous process,

[2:56:34] right, to update our code particular board uh type of zoning. remember and so

[2:56:41] this was an annexation right that happened I remember this was like in

[2:56:45] discussion two years ago almost right this are you talking this would apply in

[2:56:48] that example where >> well in that in that specific example

[2:56:52] the one with cart the cartner that they submitted a new application anyway they

[2:56:58] had a new >> that that that old application ended up

[2:57:02] getting >> denied by the council and they submitted

[2:57:06] a new application they it got denied because of their request they had a new

[2:57:10] application. So, that one I I guess it wouldn't apply because

[2:57:17] because the the application was already there there was a new one.

[2:57:22] » Yeah. I love this directive because just the kind of

[2:57:28] we're not legislating here in there, but just the like the idea of

[2:57:34] like, hey, I'm going to apply this time and I want to sit on it. Well, you guys

[2:57:38] do whatever you do, but I still want to perceive as though we won't be able

[2:57:43] to stand with you. We even allow that just like no, you say it all the time.

[2:57:50] Your coach's changing. >> So, I just feel like it's kind of a

[2:57:55] dangerous game that we navigate like like that. It's like, oh gosh, now this

[2:58:00] was a year and a half ago. Do don't do you know, they applied under this

[2:58:04] pretenses a year and a half ago, right? So, do we want to grant them this versus

[2:58:08] no, the city is going in a totally new direction now?

[2:58:12] » So, yeah, I like this quite a bit. And I think the words in the draft talk about

[2:58:20] I'm not sure if they use this word, but it has to be

[2:58:24] days. Nothing we see from applicants for days. So if it doesn't mean they have to

[2:58:31] have this all wrapped up with the 180 days because there's a submit

[2:58:35] process submit but if it's dormant for 180 days then

[2:58:44] one more question. So if let's say it's dormant that period of time Levi and

[2:58:49] they what kind of a new information would trigger in your mind a successful

[2:58:57] extension right because again like is a successful extension a we're still

[2:59:02] thinking about this or do they have to physically like provide something so

[2:59:05] that you know the city it's it's fulfilling the spirit of what this is

[2:59:11] because what I want to avoid again is just saying hey I'm coming back 180 days

[2:59:15] later, we're still thinking about it, right? I don't want that to be, you

[2:59:19] know, something that we would say, okay, based on this thing, I'm going to grant

[2:59:23] you another 180 days when in theory, we could be working through a lot of stuff

[2:59:27] at that time, right? >> Yeah. It just says demonstrating good

[2:59:30] cause for the delay. So, it could be a lot of different reasons.

[2:59:33] [clears throat] >> That would be

[2:59:36] » it would be whoever the land use authority is for the application. So

[2:59:41] they have to maybe go back

[2:59:49] » question. How many uh applications would you say

[2:59:55] that

[2:59:59] did leave? He's taking tabs of this better than I have to be honest. Um I

[3:00:04] » a handful three or four. >> It's not a lot of cup.

[3:00:08] » Yeah, three or four maybe. Okay. Can we before second reading

[3:00:13] um ask an attorney if this will be

[3:00:23] » essentially not? >> Yeah. Is it retroactive?

[3:00:28] » Do you want that to be retroactive? So, do you are you asking staff to add

[3:00:32] language that makes it retroactive or >> I'm asking us to make sure that that's

[3:00:37] legal for us. Okay.

[3:00:42] » And if it is leaking, sure. >> I take it out and put it in.

[3:00:50] » I got it. >> Thanks.

[3:00:51] » I exactly the same question. What do Do people have I mean, you know, when

[3:00:57] somebody asks you to do something, it's always a good idea. the person asking it

[3:01:00] should say I'll like this done by you know and if that time expires is it fair

[3:01:08] to come back and say well I wanted this done by last week so

[3:01:12] therefore your request didn't have that deal in I didn't

[3:01:18] understand that in now you know I'm speaking as if a boss had asked me to do

[3:01:24] something and it's a little different when someone's in a land use application

[3:01:30] they need to keep performing. So I think the breath question is very very good.

[3:01:36] » Yeah. I mean how it works in practice now when it's gone on for a long time, a

[3:01:42] year longer and nothing's happened. A lot of times what I'll do is I I'll say

[3:01:49] you have 30 days to submit this and if you don't this is considered inactive.

[3:01:56] And I don't really like that because it's pretty arbitrary, but at some point

[3:02:01] we do need to do that. And this this would help us have a definitive time

[3:02:07] frame.

[3:02:11] » Yeah. >> Okay. For

[3:02:16] here's a question for you by you guys do all this for a living. This is what you

[3:02:22] do and you you understand this much more than I do. Do you want the additional

[3:02:27] 180 days or do you feel like we probably should put it in there as a city

[3:02:32] planner? You know, you're ask and you're asking

[3:02:36] for an extension that's double that's the same time

[3:02:40] 180 plus 180, but do you personally feel like the new doing your job, you don't

[3:02:46] let these guys have an extension?

[3:02:51] » I don't know. Do you have any input on that, Tom? I don't. Fire.

[3:02:55] If I remember right, one draft said 90 days.

[3:02:59] » It did. Yeah, the first draft said 90. I think you suggested 180, but

[3:03:02] » yeah, it just historically it seemed 180 days seemed reasonable. Some of these

[3:03:08] larger developments can take a lot of time to to develop the the transaction

[3:03:13] and the research that's needed, the betting hurry that's needed. So, if

[3:03:19] they're actively working on it, 180 days later, say, "Hey, we're getting close.

[3:03:23] We want to extinction. I think it's reasonable, but we want it shorter.

[3:03:28] » Well, I just want to know if that's if is what you want, but you have to have

[3:03:33] longer time. If you want to shorten it, but it's fair

[3:03:37] support, whatever you >> I think it's a balance because we don't

[3:03:42] we don't want them sitting on their thumbs and submitting something and not

[3:03:46] when they're not actually ready. But at the same time, it's almost more painful

[3:03:50] to have to start the process over again for all parties, you know? So,

[3:03:56] I think that's kind of the balance there. It's better if we can move

[3:03:59] forward than >> Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

[3:04:13] » Ready to vote. We're free. Okay. Those in favor of advanced second be we say I

[3:04:20] oppose. Five in favor post. Perfect. Thanks Lev by Donald.

[3:04:28] Okay I think we're down to council reports.

[3:04:34] » You know I just um again I want to thank Tom and everybody last Jersey barriers

[3:04:41] like water and they're not taken down. You know, you can tell that that's not

[3:04:45] going to be destroyed or and so I think they work wonders. Across the street on

[3:04:52] the east side of 12 west, we got a p house through that pub area.

[3:04:56] » Is there a plan to try to enclose that a little? It's kind of it's invested and

[3:05:02] you see kids looking in there. Is there anything we can do to secure that area?

[3:05:07] » This is the irrigation company. >> They're not. So, we're going to if you

[3:05:12] want us to, we'll go do it, but they're not good.

[3:05:14] » What? Whatever you guys think. But at least it is kind of messy. And

[3:05:20] » is the fence panels not on or what's >> the fence is dilapitated?

[3:05:30] » I wonder. >> Yeah, they're not going to do anything.

[3:05:35] So, if you want us to, we'll figure we'll come up with a plan how much it's

[3:05:38] going to cost and come back.

[3:05:53] Okay.

[3:05:57] I don't think the canal board meetings are open and public meetings. In fact,

[3:06:02] they're they're not an arm of the government. So, they're not committed by

[3:06:08] meeting. I mean, I think they have responsibility

[3:06:14] for safety and that's why I think one option we

[3:06:20] should look at is taking out their fence that's still advocated

[3:06:24] and then that puts the responsibility for safety on them, I think. But I don't

[3:06:29] want to get kids hurt. >> Yeah, they would disagree.

[3:06:36] [laughter] >> They're not going to do anything. Well,

[3:06:37] thank you for helping stay at the canal board.

[3:06:40] Okay, Randy, anything else? Nick, happy birthday, Nick. Help me other than when

[3:06:46] you're older, right?

[3:06:51] There you go. And I made a list of a few things by left office

[3:06:59] trying my brain up.

[3:07:06] terrible such things but I guess nothing really

[3:07:11] okay if they come up and it's you know stuff to take up with staff just reach

[3:07:16] out to them like you know they appreciate that

[3:07:21] » we got an email from Autumn Zerber few days ago Wednesday yesterday about a

[3:07:30] landscaping partnership opportunity did anybody respond to

[3:07:35] You want me to or you two? >> Yeah. Mayor Mayor reached out to Rod and

[3:07:42] I on that port forwarded on to us and we're we have a meeting on Monday to

[3:07:47] talk about this with with Becky Jagger as well. So, just to vet some ideas and

[3:07:54] » with >> Well, I think we're we're doing it kind

[3:07:58] of more internally first and then we'll we'll talk to Autumn first. We just kind

[3:08:02] of want to see I mean, if anyone has ideas, we can put that into the

[3:08:07] discussion. >> Yeah.

[3:08:15] » Yeah. We'll I Well, were you going to res respond to

[3:08:20] her? >> I don't know.

[3:08:22] » My goal is to have I think one of my versions of emails was

[3:08:28] we meaning not me should respond to Autumn.

[3:08:31] » Yeah. And I might have taken out the not me. [laughter]

[3:08:35] » Okay. I'm I'm h I'm happy to respond to her

[3:08:40] and just >> and then follow up based on our

[3:08:43] conversation. to follow up with a lot of

[3:08:45] » Yeah, >> I I'll talk to Rod and see who wants to

[3:08:48] be kind of the point of contact for

[3:09:01] » Yes. details about what this is about. We're going to probably set up

[3:09:08] after you guys discuss. >> Okay, sounds good.

[3:09:11] » No, that's good. I I think we should present a unified from neighbor city. So

[3:09:17] Nick, you're welcome to be part of >> Yeah. Do you want to do you want to come

[3:09:20] to the meeting if you're available on Monday?

[3:09:23] » Sure. >> Yeah, I can invite you. Yeah.

[3:09:29] » The only reason Becky's involved because she was thinking about some pollinator

[3:09:33] garden stuff like

[3:09:37] that. It's not because I'm her husband. you have to be qualified through co

[3:09:44] expertise.

[3:09:47] Um the other thing I just I don't think I ever told you Cheryl about you told me

[3:09:51] in October and you're probably I want to go

[3:09:59] » that's okay. Thank you.

[3:10:07] Um, I was asked last meeting questions about my involvement in county indoor

[3:10:14] recreation study. You say it like it's a dirty thing.

[3:10:20] [laughter]

[3:10:23] » Happy to report some information for those that are interested. uh from what

[3:10:28] I understand that first committee looked very ad hoc never actually

[3:10:34] authorization to give a recommendation to the candidate. So that's one reason

[3:10:38] this new one has been created. Part of that was the operating of that

[3:10:43] committee was showed up. That's what the plan is. Then it's not helpful for

[3:10:49] consultants is what hold the meeting public. who is

[3:10:54] speaking this meeting or it's this information just

[3:11:01] » the representatives from UCBO and some of the people

[3:11:05] » in the room that were part of that >> they were part of the previous

[3:11:11] » Yeah. Um they identified three goals

[3:11:17] four and a half. Um essentially to look at the recommendations as as far as the

[3:11:24] consultants have got in their basic um answer the question of

[3:11:30] facilities what those amenities might be possible

[3:11:34] locations all those kind of things whether or not it's even stom

[3:11:41] and then the operation. So essentially finishing out phase two of the

[3:11:49] stud they were contracted for and so

[3:11:54] is the idea and the committee has too much

[3:12:00] to do what make a recommendation for the council to

[3:12:08] do and I think they timed it that way so that cities wanted to continue.

[3:12:14] They say there's still time to get something on the ballot here.

[3:12:18] Not [clears throat] likely, but it does give the council the opportunity, the

[3:12:21] county council to put it on board

[3:12:29] 2028, November 2028. So either cities or the

[3:12:34] council would be

[3:12:39] just met once the idea and plan was to meet weekly.

[3:12:45] Is that committee subject to open meetings after?

[3:12:48] » Yeah, we were sworn in and subject to race. So the agendas and meetings will

[3:12:55] be posted under who's all

[3:13:01] » I had the same question that we were that kind of a committee but I think

[3:13:08] » people whose job >> I'm suggesting and then people would be

[3:13:15] okay thanks for serving that yeah [clears throat] no

[3:13:19] excited for something. >> Um,

[3:13:26] I think that's it. Well, you should you participate in a biking top.

[3:13:41] [laughter] Um, let me let me just say that we've

[3:13:45] Justin and Chad and I have briefly discussed, you know, what does this need

[3:13:50] for Nigley on >> Yeah.

[3:13:53] » on what the county is doing and I think, you know, you heard it from Kendall,

[3:13:59] heard from lots of residents. What's the deal? I think I'll give

[3:14:05] Justin credit. We we I won't talk about it now because we do have a steering

[3:14:10] committee with objectives and things to do. So um we'll get the steering

[3:14:16] committee back together and discuss proposals

[3:14:20] about what NI said

[3:14:28] you mentioning K.

[3:14:32] Uh I went to the wreck meeting yesterday rec meeting meeting yesterday for the

[3:14:39] opening part and uh there was conversation about uh some struggles

[3:14:45] that I'm having with rups back here as well as vista's brain

[3:14:57] circles on I didn't know if that was something

[3:15:02] They need our assistance finding their stat.

[3:15:04] » Hey, I missed the first part of the >> So, first part is grubs.

[3:15:08] » Ah, >> in these fields

[3:15:11] that set is pretty much they feel confident it's going to be

[3:15:15] okay. Um, then the other was just boring pressure. No, this

[3:15:20] » if it's if it's staff handling it. I just thought it was I was there so I was

[3:15:23] like, "Oh, is there something we need help?" Well, um, so interesting enough,

[3:15:28] um, it's difficult to say, I think, for sure because I I went through this in my

[3:15:33] own lawn. It's like, I'm going to be a great example. I'm going to burn my lawn

[3:15:36] up and I'm going to save all this water and um,

[3:15:42] I only lasted half the summer and then I just dumped water back on it. And it's

[3:15:47] hard to tell the difference between water conservation measures and insect

[3:15:52] pest problems. >> Yeah. And so I I can't say we know for

[3:15:56] sure. I haven't really talked to Rod about this problem. So I need to get

[3:15:58] with him and maybe do some followup. But um it's hard to differentiate the two

[3:16:03] while it's happening. Hell, things start greening back up and for some reason

[3:16:06] parts aren't green back up. So I will get with Rod on that and maybe shoot you

[3:16:11] an email or something.

[3:16:18] » All right. So, Bike Utah, Lei and I have been at the Bike Utah Summit.

[3:16:24] Bike Utah is more than the name implies. It's it's an advocacy group for active

[3:16:30] transportation, including pedestrian trails and and bikes. Um,

[3:16:37] I went because I was on a discussion panel

[3:16:42] with mayor of Carowan and Provo. The topic

[3:16:48] was from city streets to city hall. How

[3:16:53] three Utah mayors are turning active transportation vision into reality.

[3:16:58] » That's us we're doing.

[3:17:04] » Slowly. >> Well, thank you. [clears throat] I don't

[3:17:06] know. That's I didn't have much to say. >> [laughter]

[3:17:10] » I actually thought the panel discussion was was was great. And um

[3:17:17] to me I I look at what keeps that transformation from vision to reality

[3:17:25] from happening and I think it falls into two categories.

[3:17:31] Um, it's either funding limitations to build the infrastructure

[3:17:38] or it's a cultural change from citizens

[3:17:44] to to embrace active transportation. And it was it was quite different for

[3:17:53] Parawan than it was for Provo than it was from my perspective for Nibbley.

[3:18:00] Um, Provo

[3:18:04] has funding limitations in part because they're a builtout town and so when they

[3:18:10] want to in incorporate active transportation, they're there are big

[3:18:14] costs involved, especially when they're a builtout town with limited space. They

[3:18:19] also they also have a lot of students that want transportation, so they're

[3:18:23] motivated to do that. Parowan being more of a resort type destination.

[3:18:30] Um they're also a infrastructure

[3:18:34] pay uh uh financing limit because they want to

[3:18:39] they want to build things for tourists as you know when they come down and so

[3:18:47] they're talking about long trails and you know big things where from my

[3:18:52] perspective nibly it's more of a uh we don't have the infrastructure cost

[3:18:58] limitations like these other towns because we're making developers build

[3:19:04] our trail system for us. Now, um the one case where the developer is not

[3:19:10] doing it, golly, the department of transportation is willing

[3:19:15] to put $4 million into not a midle trail system, but into the bikes for Utah

[3:19:21] trail network. So, so I think and you all have been part of the discussion

[3:19:26] from my perspective. uh Nimble's limitation [clears throat]

[3:19:31] is about a culture change and maybe we don't want a culture change. That's the

[3:19:38] kind of thing that we you know we deal with as elected representatives and

[3:19:42] that's what that's why we write plans and that's why we have um

[3:19:48] we have meetings about public input and all that kind of stuff. But certainly,

[3:19:54] you know, the two hardest things that I've been involved with in city

[3:20:01] government for 25 years, I think one of them came just before I was involved

[3:20:05] with city government. They revolved around active transportation.

[3:20:11] Um, one was out on Hollow Road and one was called Flashfield. They don't have

[3:20:16] to hide, right? That was [clears throat] that was hard. And so my my objective

[3:20:22] for speaking was not to be moan about how hard the might pro the process might

[3:20:29] be and how difficult it might be, but to talk about lessons learned and things

[3:20:34] that we could do differently or not do at all.

[3:20:40] Um and so so that was my focus. And

[3:20:45] one of those things was it's hard and I told you this, it's it's hard for people

[3:20:53] to understand what the impact of active transportation is going to be to them as

[3:21:02] car drivers. We can't make space. We can only

[3:21:06] allocate space or we can find new space that doesn't doesn't affect car driver

[3:21:10] so much. But um I think 12 West Quest is a good

[3:21:15] example of how what what we try to build in not just for volume and space but for

[3:21:21] safety and barriers and all this stuff and and

[3:21:26] and and I threw in um I added to the to the to the discussion traffic combing

[3:21:33] because I think traffic combing and active transportation go hand in hand,

[3:21:38] right? So,

[3:21:42] um I think that

[3:21:46] we need to do a better job of helping people

[3:21:50] understand what this is going to look like when it's done, understand what the

[3:21:55] impacts to them be when it's done. I was speaking to a room of advocates.

[3:22:01] I'll be very honest about that. And so I also said we need to um

[3:22:08] as local governments we need to um make sure everyone is represented

[3:22:17] when we have these discussions about active transportation and the impacts on

[3:22:24] cars. And we need people, I mean, we filled a

[3:22:28] room full of people that want traffic calming

[3:22:32] and active transportation protection on 8 West, Pent West, but those people need

[3:22:39] to stay involved in the process if the advocates

[3:22:42] [clears throat] want for active transportation, want to see it happen.

[3:22:48] uh related to that,

[3:22:53] letting people understand what something looks like before it's built.

[3:23:00] Um I'm very excited about a grant, and I

[3:23:06] mentioned this to the group, Safe Streets for All Grant from the Federal

[3:23:10] Highway Administration, $380,000

[3:23:14] for demonstration projects. say, "Look, this is what we're thinking about." have

[3:23:20] both groups, those that use active transportation and

[3:23:24] those that don't, have a chance to see what this looks like, see if if that's

[3:23:28] something that's flying. I I I happened to mention that um just

[3:23:36] that weekend I uh read an article that made me worry about our funding for that

[3:23:44] because the Federal Highway Administration

[3:23:49] is moving funding from active transportation projects

[3:23:54] into well it's moving they're moving away from active transportation

[3:23:59] projects. that were that were available in the

[3:24:02] previous administration. And while I try to keep federal politics out of local

[3:24:07] politics, this one affects us. I'm worried that will affect us. The the

[3:24:13] quote from Sean Duffy, the I'm going to get to it. I'm going to say

[3:24:18] it. He said it. This was his quote on X in July.

[3:24:24] FHWA funds will no longer be used for DEI bike lanes.

[3:24:31] I don't know what the DEI bike lane is as that standard. It's his quote.

[3:24:38] And if I take the words that acronym, I'm trying to figure out what's wrong

[3:24:42] with that kind of bike lane. I'm obviously an advocate for

[3:24:46] transportation. I readily admit. So anyway, that led me to say, look, I

[3:24:52] think I think trail advocates have some headwinds and we may not get the kind of

[3:24:57] help from the federal government uh that we used to. The the state government got

[3:25:03] involved in regulating bike lanes in Salt Lake City.

[3:25:10] They put UD do in charge of reviewing and approving active transportation

[3:25:15] plans in a town that has in a town happens to be Salt Lake City. Maybe

[3:25:22] that's special, but that's been normally reserved for local municipalities.

[3:25:29] Though I think there may be some ethics from the state level from what the

[3:25:32] legislature has done. Anyway, the fact that I mentioned the Federal Highway

[3:25:37] Administration funds and it wasn't a wasn't a big complaint. Um, there was

[3:25:42] actually an employee of the Federal Highway Administration at this

[3:25:47] conference and she came up to me and she said, "I'm one of the people you're

[3:25:51] worried about."

[3:25:54] And she said, "You're mad at." I didn't want it be that way. She said, "I

[3:25:59] checked on it. business grant is secure. You will be receiving the money. It's

[3:26:02] just it's just which Levi already said it's the way.

[3:26:08] So, I'm I'm still I'm still excited to

[3:26:14] to to use that money to let us understand what the stuff looks like.

[3:26:21] Um I was I really enjoyed the connection that I made

[3:26:26] with Rails to Trails Conservancy. Uh Rails to Trails has been around for

[3:26:33] 60 years converting abandoned rail lines into active transportation.

[3:26:38] They have grown beyond that. I mean they have a Washington DC to Washington state

[3:26:44] national well to travel that we can go right on on but they move beyond that

[3:26:51] into uh being a advocate for

[3:26:56] anti-transportation whether it's abandoned rail liner and there's a great

[3:27:03] documentary that we got to watch on PBS PBS produced it um I'm a cheapkate and

[3:27:10] don't have any subscriptions to anything.

[3:27:15] And if you want to watch PBS shows now, you actually have to go pay them or

[3:27:20] really >> have it as part of your hope just comes

[3:27:24] along in chat. >> Well, I guess the federal government

[3:27:27] doesn't pay. >> I don't know. Pay for it one day and

[3:27:31] [clears throat] >> invite the whole community. Invite the

[3:27:34] whole community.

[3:27:38] » That'd be a great move. the bike >> with a theme.

[3:27:41] » The thing that the thing that interested me made me excited about connection to

[3:27:47] the Rails of Trails Conservancy is to learn that we're not really that much

[3:27:52] different than anybody else. Rails to Trails has been dealing with the thought

[3:28:00] that nobody wants to trail next to their backyard for 60 years.

[3:28:06] This is not a new thing. It's not a new thing in cash valley. It's not a new

[3:28:10] thing in nipple. It's not a new thing at all. And in fact, um,

[3:28:18] major lawsuits over land owned by the federal

[3:28:23] government that had rail easements on federal land that were used for trails,

[3:28:32] uh, sorry, rails. when those easements were abandoned by

[3:28:36] railroad companies, what happens to the land? Rails trail said, "Well, we know

[3:28:41] we'll turn back transportation." So, it's not only do people

[3:28:49] not want a trail next to the backyard. They'd rather not have they'd rather not

[3:28:53] they'd rather have a train in their backyard than have a trail in the back.

[3:28:58] [laughter]

[3:29:00] I grew up in Pocutello. I know what it's like to live next door,

[3:29:05] right? Anyway, um so it was good conference. Um I answer questions if you

[3:29:12] want. Uh more about Yeah, that's awesome.

[3:29:19] Christmas. We had multiple times talked about

[3:29:25] walking school buses, doing events like that and I am on board, but uh is it

[3:29:32] something schools aren't interested in right now or is it just logistics or

[3:29:35] plus planning yet or? >> Yeah, we did bring it up to the schools.

[3:29:41] It's been a while to I know to nibbly elementary. We kind of focused on them

[3:29:47] because they're an allw walk school and yeah, they kind of bulked at it when we

[3:29:54] talked about it. Well,

[3:29:58] it's hard enough to get volunteers. You're really going to get a vol. I

[3:30:01] mean, I know the representatives, they kind of kind of mentioned that, but

[3:30:07] we we thought we thought it was a great idea. I I don't know if they're going to

[3:30:10] be the ones leading out if we want to if we want to do that.

[3:30:15] » This year is also excited about we got two schools school have major problems

[3:30:20] getting kids school people complaining about traffic

[3:30:24] and my complaining about traffic. You are the

[3:30:28] traffic [laughter] you're part of a problem.

[3:30:33] » I don't know. I curious. So it's all right.

[3:30:36] » Yeah. I think it would be great >> personally, but

[3:30:44] » and I don't have a big connection to parents with kids in grade school

[3:30:48] anymore, but when I had a chance, I've asked parents about it

[3:30:54] and my limited data set is one encouraging that we're already doing

[3:31:00] that. We don't need your help. And in fact, it was couple of moms in two

[3:31:05] different neighborhoods.

[3:31:08] We're walking our kids to school. We have the concerns. We take turns walking

[3:31:14] our kids to school. So essentially, they're doing the walking school bus.

[3:31:18] And then the other parents were no. So, so that's a culture change. That's

[3:31:25] what we want to affect. Um,

[3:31:31] I'll just wrap this up with I was I attempted to be very cognizant about the

[3:31:37] um the process we went through in NibLy

[3:31:41] over 12 West and be very respectful of the multiple points of view that were

[3:31:48] that were presented both by the council and by our residents.

[3:31:55] » [snorts] >> Well, I don't have to explain why. I try

[3:31:57] to be very car say, look, people people have feelings about this. Here's why

[3:32:02] they feel that way. Here's why they told us they feel that way. And um these are

[3:32:07] the things that u lessons I think I learned from going through

[3:32:15] the other questions on that. Can I make a comment on 12th West is just and I've

[3:32:21] thought about this for a long time and and I just I of course disagreed in

[3:32:28] vacation about sign at 12 West and you know the traffic calming

[3:32:35] but I haven't disagreeed a lot of that. I have never disagreed and always

[3:32:39] supported and I think the mayor does a fantastic job with trying to keep

[3:32:43] everyone safe. And I think that sincerity of that is is

[3:32:48] so important that you care to keep the pedestrians safe and the cyclist and the

[3:32:55] driver safe. And so while I might disagree with a lot of things on 12, I

[3:33:00] never disagree with the intent of what you've done.

[3:33:06] and what you continue to. I appreciate that.

[3:33:10] » Well, thank you, Andy. We all share that we we are responsible for public safety

[3:33:16] and I have no doubt that that's exactly what each of you on the council and what

[3:33:21] staff is interested in as well. Um, and I think that's why this this uh this

[3:33:30] panel discussion was relevant. It was we share that vision. We all want

[3:33:37] that vision of safety and option for transportation. [clears throat]

[3:33:42] How do we get there? Right. And so I know we're all we're going to we're

[3:33:46] going to have differences of opinion. We're going to have differences of ways

[3:33:49] to to get there. And so um thank you for saying that and and I'll share that

[3:33:54] appreciation that I ask entire staff that I just have to figure out how to do

[3:34:00] it. So

[3:34:04] great. Um, briefly economic I'm just moving on. Is that

[3:34:09] okay? Levi, do you want to add to that? >> No, thank you. That was good.

[3:34:14] » Um, governor's economic development

[3:34:20] grants for rural counties are available and open.

[3:34:26] Uh, you guys, I don't know if you have

[3:34:29] anything in mind. I have something in mind.

[3:34:33] » What's it? >> Um, this is a flyer right now, but I'm

[3:34:39] going to go ahead and talk about I mean talk to Justin about it. I

[3:34:46] someone came across my email and said, "Hey, you want to know about sales tax

[3:34:50] in your city?" And I said, "Sure." sent a contact, sent my contact in and then I

[3:34:56] got a sales call uh from a consultant whose job it is

[3:35:03] to recruit uh economic retail development to

[3:35:08] cities. They have presented a proposal. I'm not

[3:35:13] sure that Nimley is all that different, but I mean they did some research on it.

[3:35:17] This wasn't just full call. They they worked on it. Um

[3:35:24] but again the proposal in a nutshell comes down to like a three-year effort

[3:35:29] to say we identify what type of commercial especially retail commercial

[3:35:34] would be viable in your town. Um these are towns we've worked in, these are

[3:35:38] companies that we have match made and then we talk to you about how we can

[3:35:43] make that introduction and how we can connect with some of these

[3:35:48] companies. So, >> um,

[3:35:52] it just so happened, well, of course they're consultant. I want money

[3:35:56] [clears throat] $45,000 a year for three years kind of

[3:36:01] thing after one year. getting into more detail than I need to,

[3:36:06] but I noticed the rural economic grant I think is available for

[3:36:13] um uh economic development research to

[3:36:17] connect with with companies maybe. And I don't know if you got to talk

[3:36:23] about things that you guys have in mind now or we should get together and talk

[3:36:28] about it. The reason I'm bringing it up here, if anyone on council, we've got

[3:36:32] I've got a phone call with you guys. I know it sounds like,

[3:36:36] you know, it's all pie in the sky, but if someone just send me an email if you

[3:36:41] wanted to be involved in a phone call with these folks because I'd like to

[3:36:45] have counsel start.

[3:36:48] It's on September 14. >> I can give you a quick update on the

[3:36:54] grant. We did actually submit for that grant last year. Yeah. and we were

[3:36:59] turned down even though we ranked pretty high, scored fairly well. Part of what

[3:37:04] the feedback we got is we were in the talking about the blueprint. So now that

[3:37:09] we've done the blueprint and this thing is in the blueprint, we have a better

[3:37:12] shot. So, we had planned on requesting basically the same thing we

[3:37:18] requested last time, which was a bunch of water line to push water out 4,000

[3:37:24] South and then north on 12 West to help our new well and to help future

[3:37:32] industrial zone development.

[3:37:36] » Yeah. So, infrastructure cost. >> Yeah. And I think we submitted that

[3:37:38] letter of intent today. >> Oh, good. Good. Uh, I do not know if we

[3:37:42] can submit for more than one. I guess we I could find out about that, but we were

[3:37:47] intending to move forward with that project.

[3:37:50] » Sherry Stevens number to brag on it. You know, she was here with the blueprint.

[3:37:56] » Yeah, >> she was she's available for help.

[3:37:58] » Yeah, she's been helping us with the not >> been coordinating with her about this

[3:38:04] consultant idea. I'm going to do that. and say, "So, is this just a fly? Are

[3:38:08] these guys, you know, is it is it money well spent

[3:38:11] » or are we just >> we just talking to a consultant?"

[3:38:15] » But I'm focused on not only a plan, but actually taking

[3:38:22] some steps.

[3:38:27] » Yeah. >> Okay.

[3:38:29] » I think that'd be a good conversation to have with Sher and

[3:38:32] » Yeah. I >> Yeah.

[3:38:33] » Yeah. and she'll probably know these guys. If not, that makes me nervous.

[3:38:39] Okay, I'm done.

[3:38:44] I >> think I'm good. You You mentioned the

[3:38:46] arcog grant. Um yeah, I don't think I have anything new

[3:38:50] else. >> Appreciate you going to buy.

[3:38:53] » Yeah, it was great. Thank you.

[3:38:57] » I wanted to give you an update. Nate asked about this last meeting and I was

[3:39:00] going to give an update at staff board and then it just blew past it. So, I

[3:39:04] apologize about that, but update on the Nibbly Gardens Trail issue about selling

[3:39:08] the property to the prop the adjacent property owners. Um, honestly,

[3:39:14] I hit that pretty hard right after those discussions we had last there's been

[3:39:19] some resistance honestly on paying for the property. uh some support and some

[3:39:26] questions and I'm just kind of honestly got buried with fire and have not been

[3:39:30] able to focus uh >> much fire

[3:39:34] » consumed [clears throat] by fire and really haven't had much time to really

[3:39:38] dig into the issue but I did just send you an email Levi um so anyway it's

[3:39:43] slowed um I don't know that we have a real time

[3:39:47] crunch other than there's a little bit of momentum there I'd like to keep it as

[3:39:50] much as we can and try to get somewhere something done Uh the other announcement

[3:39:54] I have is that the sheriff has employed a code enforcement officer and pretty

[3:40:00] excited about the direction we're going. He is former law enforcement um been

[3:40:05] well trained in the field and former negotiator and really understands the

[3:40:11] message that uh we delivered about being out there in the community and engaging

[3:40:16] the community and you know working towards compliance. we're not just out

[3:40:20] there with a stick and tickets and you know he got it, he understood it. He's

[3:40:25] excited about it and excited to get going. So staff's going to meet with him

[3:40:29] on Tuesday, the whole uh front desk staff to kind of talk about some

[3:40:34] preliminary kind of upfront things where people can call in with complaints or

[3:40:38] concerns and things, some forms that they've already got built at the

[3:40:41] sheriff's office and whatnot. Levi will and I will follow up with some of the

[3:40:44] backend stuff. what happens when none of that works and we have to get to the

[3:40:48] point of citation. There's some things I think we need to tie up there to make

[3:40:51] sure we're on the right track. And then they we are planning to have uh

[3:40:56] tentatively I'm getting head nods so far to have the code enforcement officer as

[3:41:00] well as our animal uh enforcement officer as well as the new town caller

[3:41:07] deputy if you will here at our next city council meeting for you all to meet them

[3:41:12] and be able to ask any question you have. So, I'm I'm started working on

[3:41:15] that this afternoon. Had good results so far. So, hopefully that'll happen in

[3:41:19] September uh at that meeting. So, uh other than that, I don't know what do

[3:41:25] you want to say about fire. Um I'm optimistic about this whole process.

[3:41:31] We've gone from I think cities very contentious with one

[3:41:36] another at the beginning. Um cities and counties being contentious

[3:41:41] with one another. I think by sitting down and actually

[3:41:47] working on things and working out details, I think that

[3:41:52] um we're going to end up at a good place for fire protection in EMS

[3:41:57] and it's one that I'm excited about for nibbly because

[3:42:04] one way or another it leads to a path for ownership

[3:42:10] of the provider of those services and the fire district

[3:42:18] involvement resurrection from the ashes of 1965 actually

[3:42:25] is helping helping us with helping us potentially

[3:42:29] get there. I shouldn't have said anything. It's in the it's in the

[3:42:32] newsletter. So >> did that.

[3:42:36] » Yeah. >> If I'm not consistent between what I

[3:42:38] just said and what's in the big >> still the details

[3:42:45] we're working out and we'll come to you obviously for approval of all this once

[3:42:50] we understand what the options are. >> Well, so that

[3:42:58] Thomas just a couple things. We're winding down on the transportation

[3:43:04] master plan update. We we've had we've been collecting public comment for

[3:43:08] several months. We're going to shut that down about the middle of next month. And

[3:43:14] mayor, I talked about this earlier. I'd like to have a joint meeting with the

[3:43:18] planning commission and the city council on September 24th if possible.

[3:43:26] I believe that's a Thursday that's in between the planning commission and and

[3:43:30] the city council meeting. It it's a it's a planning commission meeting.

[3:43:34] » It is a planning commission meeting. So I stand corrected.

[3:43:37] » I think that's fine. We'd love to see everyone there. So we're going to

[3:43:41] present where we are with the transportation master plan has been

[3:43:44] making really good progress. We'll display the functional classification

[3:43:47] map at that time. Some some phase one proposed projects for road improvements

[3:43:53] and road or road network. We'll present some cross-sections. I've

[3:43:59] asked them to also talk how the transportation master plan is going to

[3:44:04] mesh with the alternative or the alternate transportation plan and trail

[3:44:10] network and everything else. So, it's going to be great. It's kind of

[3:44:14] precursor to future meetings where we're going to be considering adoption of this

[3:44:19] pasture plan as well. And what I was saying fine too is that I think it's

[3:44:23] fine, Levi, if we do this joint meeting at the front end of a planning

[3:44:27] commission meeting, then they don't have to go to a separate meeting. It does ask

[3:44:32] council to go to yet another meeting. Sorry if you're okay with that. This is

[3:44:38] a good one though. Unlike others,

[3:44:45] » other joint meetings is what I mean. Unlike the ones that Levi, we're also

[3:44:49] scheduing a public open house to have the public see this document as well.

[3:44:54] And that'll be on October 14th from 5:30 to 7:00. It'll be here in this room. And

[3:45:01] then shortly thereafter, we're going to be working with the technical advisory

[3:45:05] committee. I don't know who attended that on the last one. There's a great

[3:45:10] response from all the other communities around here, all the stakeholders in New

[3:45:15] Transportation Network, fire, MS, so hope to see everyone there. I don't know

[3:45:21] if we have to advertise that. If more than two or three show up, we can get

[3:45:27] that done too. >> I'm directly open house. I think the the

[3:45:34] declaration of the open chair open. I think

[3:45:38] » advertising in the open house also covers open meetings.

[3:45:44] » We will look into it. >> I think it's good to notice it anyway.

[3:45:47] Okay. Just just so people get notified that subscribe. I think

[3:45:51] » whether we have to legally I think it's good to

[3:45:54] » Yeah. I'm been working directly with the Thomas Edison Charter School developing

[3:45:59] their SNAP plan. Now they finally got a username and and a password and they're

[3:46:04] they're creating their mouse now. So we'll see what happens with that. 2980

[3:46:09] Nibbly Park Avenue, excuse me, not 29 Park Avenue, Meadow Lane, 1200 West.

[3:46:16] I meant to meet with them today. We just ran out of time. So we should be

[3:46:20] starting to finalize that through the next week or so.

[3:46:25] The Nibi City Center Park, we've been shut down since July 31st.

[3:46:32] The you ladies trustes have bloomed. It's a it's a reduced population this

[3:46:36] year, but they're in full bloom. They're going to seed and within the next 3

[3:46:42] weeks, we should be back to constructing that. There's a restrooms expected to be

[3:46:48] delivered for the bike park in the next week or two. They're going to actually

[3:46:51] said that that we don't have to shut down for that. And then we should start

[3:46:55] seeing some activity also immediately on direction of the pavilions. So all the

[3:47:00] materials are on site and those aren't dust generating activity. So we're

[3:47:03] allowed to do those things during the blooming period. So hopefully we're

[3:47:08] going to have all that wrapped up and done by fall. So

[3:47:13] you have any questions for me? Everyone like the traffic this week?

[3:47:18] » It's great.

[3:47:22] get more people on bikes. Um, >> thank you for your RFPA is a few more

[3:47:27] RSVP. There is no discount for early registration or however we need to get

[3:47:32] hotel rooms booked or when we run out. Um, I just wanted to report on the day

[3:47:38] of service that will be September 12th. Um, there is going to be a flag raising

[3:47:43] ceremony and a flag ceremony here at city hall at 8:30. Um, it would be great

[3:47:48] if the council could be there. We're going to raise the flag. Then we have an

[3:47:52] individual from the American Legion. He's going to we're going to learn about

[3:47:56] the flag and the pledge of allegiance. We're going to learn how to fold the

[3:47:59] flag and what those solds mean. And then there will be retirements of flag. So if

[3:48:03] you have bring it then please encourage veterans or veteran loved ones and your

[3:48:10] families to attend that. Um I think it's going to be a really nice

[3:48:14] event. Then um after that the n the day of service will go from 9 until 10 with

[3:48:22] opportunities here at city hall at fire park and at

[3:48:27] a couple of the projects the pier project and tree planting had to be

[3:48:32] eliminated for federal grant reasons I believe and I asked Rob to reach out to

[3:48:37] you specifically and let you know why that had to be removed from the day of

[3:48:40] service. Um so if you haven't heard from him I'll remind you again. Um

[3:48:46] um this is advertised on the website. Um there are posters going out to public

[3:48:51] spaces. Um it will be put on Facebook as well. And then I did note that I have

[3:48:57] some temporary signs that I've been working on all day. But

[3:49:01] » better hurry and get them in the park.

[3:49:06] » Yeah, you'll be fine. You're fine. Poor >> Justin pulls out. [laughter]

[3:49:11] Perfect.

[3:49:21] Uh, so when do you need the RSVP on?

[3:49:27] » Did you already say when you needed >> um

[3:49:31] » the 27th and 20th of October? So I believe that two weeks before we made

[3:49:36] the given up. So at my >> Yeah, I have a few. That's a Tuesday and

[3:49:43] Wednesday change. Okay, I'm a yes. >> Weird.

[3:49:47] » I'm retired. I got nothing better to do. [laughter]

[3:49:52] » Um, I did want to say with regards to the countywide service that's going on,

[3:49:56] they have all of their projects going on Friday, September 11th.

[3:50:00] » Yeah, >> we are encouraging our citizens to

[3:50:02] participate in that as well. And then typically the service here wraps up

[3:50:06] before 11 o'clock so they can head on over to the party that's being held at

[3:50:11] little park. So we're definitely offering support for that and um it's

[3:50:18] all service and it's all great. So why not participate?

[3:50:22] » Yeah. It turns out from my point of view, Nibi is so far ahead of what the

[3:50:27] county is working on that we did the right thing by continuing to do our

[3:50:33] instead of integrating the real tightly. But there there'll be chance to

[3:50:38] to integrate it county. I don't mean county and countywide.

[3:50:47] Blair, thank you for being on the planning commission. You're our hero. Do

[3:50:50] you want to address the council about anything?

[3:50:54] » No, just happy to be here. >> Well, we're happy you're here, too.

[3:50:57] » We're at the end of our agenda. Council, there's anything else to be brought

[3:51:00] forward. Is there an objection to adjourning to

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