[0:00] Everyone, please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

[0:02] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

[0:07] republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[0:12] justice for all.

[0:17] » Roll call, please. >> Here.

[0:19] » Mr. Patterson? >> Here.

[0:20] » Ms. Bowkree? >> Here.

[0:21] » Ms. Heffner? >> Here.

[0:22] » Mr. Richmond? >> Here.

[0:23] » Mr. Angart? >> Here.

[0:25] » Mr. Bozack? >> Here.

[0:26] » Mr. Sweat? >> I'd like to make a motion to

[0:30] » excuse Mr. Sweat. Is there a motion or a second?

[0:32] » I'll second to excuse Mr. Sweat. Any discussion?

[0:36] » Bowkree. >> Yes.

[0:37] » Bowkree? >> Yes.

[0:38] » Ms. Heffner? >> Yes.

[0:39] » Mr. Richmond? >> Yes.

[0:40] » Mr. Angart? >> Yes.

[0:41] » Mr. Bozack? >> Yes.

[0:43] » Thank you. >> Uh

[0:46] oh, nobody has any reserves, but let's start with the canine unit contract. I

[0:52] think that one's going to be kind of a little bit quicker, I think.

[0:57] Did anybody have some Did everybody get a chance to go look that over? And do

[1:01] you have some concerns? The only concern that I had with the whole thing I I like

[1:04] it myself is we are investing quite a bit of money into this program.

[1:10] Um I think it's very I'm looking forward to this this program

[1:14] and you hopefully the the effects that I'm hoping it'll have. Um

[1:20] That being said, the only issue that I have is that if they separate,

[1:24] it's a dollar. They pay pay a dollar and everything

[1:27] that we have invested into this program, if something

[1:32] happens, they pay a dollar and then we're just out. So, if we've got $5,000

[1:37] a year we're putting into this program, I just think there needs to be some sort

[1:41] of to the Now, this isn't And here here's the one thing that I'm going to

[1:44] ask us to really consider is I mean, this is this is the the

[1:49] residents' money that we're, you know, that we're

[1:52] we're looking to recover just some of it back possibly. That's the only reserve

[1:56] that I have with that canine. I mean, we're we're

[1:59] paying for a vehicle, we're paying for the gas, we're paying for the food,

[2:02] we're paying for the food, we're paying for We actually take ownership of the of

[2:05] the dog once once this thing takes place. I'm just concerned that

[2:10] I mean, if there was something that would have happened in 7 months, they

[2:13] just That's what >> I have a question. How much are we

[2:15] paying for the dog itself? >> Uh nothing. It was nothing.

[2:18] » Okay, so it's coming with the officer. >> Yes, sir.

[2:21] » Okay. >> It's the training and everything else

[2:23] that I'm talking about. >> And it says in the Well, more than that,

[2:26] isn't it? >> Correct. While we're using the dog,

[2:29] we'll be paying the training and everything else.

[2:31] » Yes. >> I understand that.

[2:32] » True. >> I'm just asking them

[2:34] make it clear. How much did we pay for the dog? We didn't pay anything.

[2:39] » We didn't pay anything for initial training, either.

[2:41] » No. >> No, they've all had the

[2:44] » Now, was it Was it Bob that mentioned that you might be able to answer this?

[2:48] Um how long

[2:50] someone, and I believe it was Bob, mentioned that uh there's an age limit

[2:54] as to when this dog can be retrained with a new owner.

[2:58] Do you know what that age limit is and then what age she is, the dog?

[3:02] » Well, I'm glad I get a chance to speak to all of you. This dog uh was with me

[3:05] at Fayette, and Kelly is the actually the second handler. So, there I've never

[3:10] seen one where it's gone to a third one. Um the handler that originally had the

[3:14] dog was terminated for cause. So, that's how Kelly got the dog. So,

[3:18] this dog has already been but it was at a very young age, 10 11

[3:22] months. You you get you get into where it's at

[3:25] now, 2 years old, it's almost impossible. This is a standard contract

[3:29] that uh both agencies are that have canines.

[3:33] Um the reason the dollar comes into play, sir, is that we're no longer

[3:36] liable if the dog does something after it leaves us.

[3:39] Uh you have to actually pay something for it, and that's usually a dollar.

[3:42] That's where this contract come from. It's standard language that you use.

[3:46] Um but the dog to train with somebody else

[3:49] uh at at its age now, probably not going to happen.

[3:53] » Right. Um but you These dogs are about 7 years is what the usually 7 8 years is

[3:58] the max lifespan on them. >> Which is two.

[4:00] » She's two. >> Aren't I'm sorry.

[4:03] » No, no, no, sorry, sorry. >> So, what I'm referring to isn't to keep

[4:07] the dog, guys. I'm referring to recover some of the cost that we have

[4:11] If somebody gets a bird and says, "You know what? I'm picking up and just

[4:15] leaving." We're protecting the residents of North

[4:18] Boulder, just like we would if if we're going to have somebody go out and train

[4:22] and we're going to ask them to sign an agreement that, "Hey, we're paying for

[4:25] your training. We're paying for these certain things."

[4:30] We want a 1-year contract with you that after you're done with your training

[4:34] that you're at least going to give us a 1-year contract or a 2-year contract or

[4:37] » We can't We can't We can't make a contract with the dog. So, if you wanted

[4:40] to do that, why don't we make that contract with the officer?

[4:43] » That's what Sir, that's what I'm talking about.

[4:45] » We have a 1-year with her already, guys. >> That's after that's after FTO is over

[4:49] and she's out out of FTO. >> That's what I'm talking about, Mr.

[4:53] Bozack. It's exactly that. You think that I'm talking about having a contract

[4:57] with the dog. >> I'm I'm trying to figure out where

[4:59] you're going with this because >> It's to protect the citizens'

[5:01] investment. That's That's what I'm all >> And And I'm all for protecting I know

[5:04] you are the citizens, too. >> So

[5:06] » That's not the problem. I'm kind of confused because you were for the dog

[5:11] when I first got her in town. >> I still am.

[5:13] Oh, guys, I'm I'm sorry. >> He just doesn't want her Kelly to be

[5:17] like after 6 months or even 3 weeks and be like, "You know what? This isn't for

[5:21] me. We're out of here." >> Yes.

[5:24] » And then you're out.

[5:26] » Plus, then it sounds like we're protected if we've already got a year

[5:28] contract. >> We From the time she finishes up FTO,

[5:31] she has not finished FTO yet. So, it would be a year from that. Um

[5:35] and I'm not disputing in regards to uh the cost of it. However, you got to

[5:41] understand one thing that let's say Kelly does leave after the year. Doesn't

[5:45] mean we can't get our own dog and we still have all the equipment and all

[5:48] three can continue on down the road. The dog is is only one part of it.

[5:52] » How how so you've already had you've already been through a canine unit

[5:56] program you had it up in Fayette. Talk talk to us educate us a little bit

[6:00] on real quick about cuz I don't want to

[6:03] drag this video out. Just how effective is it and and what

[6:07] some of the things that we might be able to expect?

[6:09] » It depends. You have you usually assign it to someone that stops a lot of

[6:13] vehicles for traffic violations for cause.

[6:17] They are trained. Kelly has been trained multiple times with the highway patrol

[6:21] for drug interdiction looking for indicators for somebody having drugs.

[6:25] The dog is not trained in marijuana. So that's going to be one of the big

[6:28] concerns. >> That's legal now, right?

[6:29] » That is legal. That's why the problem. The the dogs you run into now that are

[6:33] trained in that if they hit on a car and it's got marijuana and cocaine in it a

[6:36] defense attorney is going to fight that. Which which which the

[6:39] marijuana's legal. So that's why when we trained her we did not train her with

[6:44] marijuana. The program Here's what I I I I told the

[6:49] trustees in Waterloo Township I told the the Fayette council members the same

[6:53] thing. You'll never know what it means when somebody's sitting in

[6:58] Waterloo and saying let's go sell our dope down in North Baltimore and the guy

[7:01] says nope they're going to bring that dog there. You'll never know what it's

[7:04] worth. You'll never know what it's worth. That

[7:06] part you'll never know. >> And you're right but do you believe that

[7:09] that happens because that's what I've always been told.

[7:11] » I absolutely believe >> It it prevents people from wanting to do

[7:15] drugs. >> And I I talked to some of you not all of

[7:18] you but there were two main drug dealers in Fayette. There were two.

[7:22] And we were having ODs we were Narcaning people. Methamphetamine

[7:28] is what the problem is down here it was the problem up there.

[7:31] We started sniffing cars doing drug interdiction and there were people

[7:36] posted driving by posting on all over the Fayette web page and within 90 days

[7:40] both of dealers have moved out. Within 90 days.

[7:45] That's what it means to you. >> So it's a it's a very good preventative

[7:48] program. >> It's it's it's PR.

[7:50] The fact that you're looking for it when we weren't really before. And that gets

[7:54] out there because dirtballs hang around other dirtballs and that's what gets out

[7:58] there. >> Well, thank you. Please

[7:59] so that's why we reserve is we are investing in this program and I want to

[8:04] make sure that we are protecting our investment. That's

[8:05] » Are you more comfortable now that you have that year?

[8:07] » I'm sorry. >> Are you more comfortable now that you

[8:10] have that year? >> I am. Yes, from from the time. But what

[8:13] but does that So what about next year? >> Right.

[8:17] » What about So every year guys we're going to be investing in this.

[8:21] » Right. The the training is not stopped. And 2000 a month you have to go to

[8:25] Medina. And that's required.

[8:27] » The Yeah, and certainly. >> Yes, that's part of having a dog to

[8:29] train. >> I'm not Yeah, guys I'm not

[8:34] I support this program 110% but I also support protecting the investment of the

[8:38] citizens of Vermilion. >> I'm asking you to consider. That's

[8:41] right. >> How much money have we invested in this

[8:43] program? >> Not much not nothing at at all right

[8:45] now. >> Well, we got the car for what a dollar.

[8:48] » It was Yeah, it was free. >> for a dollar. We got the dog for free.

[8:51] So our total investment is the hat and pap which is down there for we took it

[8:56] yesterday. So it's down there so it'll be back in a

[8:58] week. And and the markings that feel fair?

[9:01] » I'm talking about the markings on the car.

[9:03] » Uh that was $200 to paint cuz we kept the regular markings we didn't wrap it

[9:08] to the black we kept it the way it is. I found a radar that was able to be

[9:11] repaired for a very minimal amount of money, $60 which is in that car so we

[9:14] didn't have to spend 2000 on a new one. It has all the cages and everything. And

[9:19] there'll be a few a little bit more but not more than that. It's the with the

[9:22] mayor saying the training which you have to go to

[9:25] twice a month. >> I just want to make sure we're not

[9:27] starting something that's just going to How long did you guys have the the I'm

[9:30] just looking for peace of mind myself to make sure that

[9:33] » We got him from 8 weeks old. >> No no no what saying how long did you

[9:36] guys have the program in back, the K9? >> Well, you got to remember

[9:40] » I mean, did you guys have it for 1 year, 2 years, 3

[9:42] » A year and a half. >> A year and a half.

[9:44] » But then you got to remember the money ran out and they laid six of us off.

[9:46] » Sure. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Would you

[9:48] » Would it Would it Oh, absolutely would have continued.

[9:50] » Yes. And it was successful. >> Yes. It It It did what I needed it to do

[9:55] and get the drug dealers out. Did it work? Absolutely 100% worked.

[9:59] » Um um um Yeah, but that 1 year it makes me a whole lot more

[10:03] » And if we if if if council so chooses, I mean, I could propose 2 year, whatever

[10:09] you think is is worthwhile. I've already got her on a year which hasn't started

[10:12] because she's got to clear FTO and that should be shortly, correct? Yeah. She's

[10:15] out again tonight. So, she was okay with the 1 year uh and the food I think she's

[10:21] paying for that cuz she wants the dog to have a certain type of food. We would

[10:24] pay for uh vet which she has almost all of her

[10:27] shots now. That would be catastrophic if catastrophic she's stabbed or shot or

[10:31] something like that. >> Did her a vest?

[10:35] » Uh we're going to get her a vest. We have purchased some and there's also a

[10:38] vest that interests which gets it for free. Um so and I can also put it out

[10:42] there to other uh departments if they have an extra vest for her. That's what

[10:45] I did in in Fayetteville we got ours, but we have the money already invested

[10:49] for the vest, so that's not an issue. Um the main expense was the hot dog that

[10:54] was over there right now which we'll be getting back here

[10:57] uh shortly and then we will be able to get started. Um her wages which

[11:03] we have to pay her regardless. Uh the training would be twice a month for 8

[11:06] hours over Medina. Uh the dog has to be re-certified every

[11:10] year and to do that you have to train. Dogs have to train. And you've seen her.

[11:14] I know she's come once. Uh

[11:15] » What should we be expecting? So, we we we've we've brought on both handlers.

[11:20] » Yes. >> Right?

[11:21] » The one has not even started FTO yet. >> Correct.

[11:23] » Because we're I've tried to watch the weather

[11:25] » What's What's FTO? >> Just field training.

[11:27] » Yep, that's what I thought. Field training. So,

[11:32] how come they have to go through field training?

[11:34] » Because when you move from one county to another, it's completely different in

[11:38] the court system and the papers. What we have to do, our reporting system is

[11:41] different than it is where Dan is in North Olmsted. Where we were in Fayette,

[11:44] we had to learn a whole new system. You have to learn the roads,

[11:48] the courts, um what your problems are, where where where your problem areas,

[11:52] who's your drug people. Uh I mean it's it's a gamut how to include evidence in

[11:57] our property room. Uh communications, radio traffic is

[12:00] different in each county. Uh so it's it it it you have to go

[12:04] through your field training with every officer. Number one, we're liable if

[12:08] they do something stupid if we don't go put them through field training.

[12:11] » So >> Which is what we tried to do. We have to

[12:13] do basically. >> So we we believe this is going to be a

[12:16] very effective program for >> I think it'll be very effective to what

[12:18] we're trying to get across, what we're trying to do here in North Olmsted.

[12:22] » Chief, you've been here for 4 months. >> About 6 months.

[12:24] » 6 months. >> Thank you.

[12:25] » Coming up on 6 months. >> How have you

[12:31] What is our drug situation in the Village of North Olmsted? What is our

[12:35] What What What have you >> Okay.

[12:37] » What have you assessed so far? >> I think there's a drug issue here. And I

[12:42] want all of you to remember one thing. We're going to talk about it next with

[12:44] the drug contract. Why is the sheriff willing to spend his only one drug

[12:48] detective to come down here and spend the majority of their time if you don't

[12:52] have a drug problem or he doesn't think he has a drug problem. Why would he do

[12:55] it? He could It's like It's like going

[12:57] fishing. >> second employee.

[12:58] » It's like It's like going going fishing. He doesn't have to do anything down

[13:01] here. You're not required to do anything in the Village of North Olmsted, Mark.

[13:04] The ORC says it's our responsibility to police this village, not the sheriff.

[13:07] The sheriff's responsible for the courts and the jail. That's it. He doesn't have

[13:11] to have a road patrol either. That's what the Ohio Revised Code says.

[13:15] » So do we have the capabilities of taking care with the with the people that we

[13:20] have Do we have the capabilities of taking care of So Is there anything else

[13:23] on the K9 that anybody has mentioned? to >> you had mentioned you could talk to her

[13:28] about two years. Do you think she'd be open to that?

[13:30] » I would have to talk to her about that. I know it was open for a year and she's

[13:32] already signed that. From the end of her FTO and she's not through FTO.

[13:36] So, I I don't have any problem with it. >> Maybe you ask the council if she is

[13:40] » It won't last. >> Does council want to do a formal motion

[13:43] to approve this K9 contract as written? >> Well, let's remember one thing real

[13:47] quick. If the dog gets hurt or has cancer and she can't perform anymore,

[13:52] that's the then that's that's one of the reasons why the handler gets the dog for

[13:55] a dollar. When When the dog retires or it has medical issue or that's why we no

[14:01] longer have ownership and responsibility for it.

[14:05] So, that's another reason why that is put in there cuz that does happen.

[14:10] » It gets ugly. >> It does get ugly.

[14:12] » If you If you take the dog from the handler or is that what you're saying?

[14:15] » At the end of term when when people are like, "No, you can't take the dog. It's

[14:19] our property." If If it's not. You know, the dog bonds with the owner.

[14:24] » It's It's her dog. It's her dog. It's her dog.

[14:27] And her family, she has kids and then >> It's It's unfair to think that the dog

[14:33] should be taken from the handler. I I always thought it wasn't a I thought

[14:36] once it was trained with the handler, that's where it stayed.

[14:38] » It depends on the age. >> So, that's what I was going to ask. So,

[14:41] if the dog's two years old >> But it's already been retrained.

[14:44] » No, no, I'm I'm all right. So, what's the expectation of what What's the

[14:47] expectation of life expectancy of a canine?

[14:50] » Seven years. >> Seven years.

[14:52] » You got to remember jumping in and out of those cars and wears on her hips and

[14:55] then seeing where those getting in and out of our car.

[14:57] But that's the average is what? Seven seven years. You have to have them at

[15:01] all times. Sure. >> So, when we're talking about

[15:05] you know, health and safety and all that stuff and

[15:08] the dog we should we get at least seven eight years of

[15:11] » We can expect seven eight years if she decides to stay here.

[15:15] But the dog doesn't cost anything. We got the dog as a puppy which is what

[15:19] the program is and we trained The The cost is

[15:23] getting the canine handler over there for training.

[15:25] » Yeah. There's cost.

[15:27] » Oh, yeah. >> Yes. There's

[15:29] extra >> Absolutely.

[15:30] » There's extra perks for her, which you rightfully so.

[15:32] » Yeah. >> It's I mean that's what those are the

[15:34] things that I want to protect. >> Yeah, and you got to pay a couple hours

[15:37] a week for her to take care and maintenance of the dog. That's what's

[15:39] called the Garcia rule. So, you call you have to feed them, she have to I mean

[15:45] water, bathe them, everything else and it takes a little bit of time. So, yeah.

[15:49] » Sure. Um so, is there anything else that So, yeah, would you go back and see if

[15:55] we can get like a 2-year agreement? That would be wonderful. And And then would

[15:58] does that pertain to her and the other guy? What's his name?

[16:02] » Uh I have not had any He has signed a year contract as well.

[16:06] But he has not even started FTO cuz we wanted to get Kelly through it first.

[16:09] He's the main handler. He has trained with her and certified with her as well.

[16:13] So, both of them And I'll give you an example, let's say she

[16:17] has surgery, is off for 6 weeks. He can bring the dog back over here and he can

[16:20] continue the program cuz he's certified with her.

[16:22] » So, then he'll be able to work. >> That's exactly what I'm talking

[16:24] » So, I've never had that ability at any other place. Usually it's one handler

[16:27] that's assigned. We have it because they came with me and the dual leads were

[16:31] we'll be able to have two people to work.

[16:34] » When is When is the expectation of the FTO training to be done?

[16:37] » Uh Kelly should be done. Tom? >> I any day. Yeah, she I think we're just

[16:42] basically waiting on the car. >> Yeah, we're just That's what we're

[16:45] waiting >> start going on her own.

[16:46] » Yeah, we've been waiting for the vehicle, which finally came in and uh

[16:50] we took it down there yesterday and we took

[16:52] » an in-car where she rides with somebody and then we do a shadow program where

[16:56] she's out in the car by herself, but the officer that is FTO-ing is right behind

[17:01] her. Or in the area to get out and help her

[17:05] and and stuff like that. So, as soon as she

[17:07] gets a car by herself

[17:10] because she's been coming out with whenever somebody's been here.

[17:14] » How many How many um hours a week should we

[17:17] About 20? >> Uh

[17:19] let me check on that. We got to

[17:22] the budget we got to watch the budget, sir. For our our part-time and to make

[17:26] sure that we have enough money till the end of the year.

[17:28] Uh I would think she'd be out here at least two nights minimum.

[17:31] And the main nights you can check track some of it, but Thursday, Friday,

[17:35] Saturday time frame is probably what we're looking for.

[17:39] » Yeah. >> Yeah, cuz they're if they're moving it

[17:40] from Toledo down here from what tips we've had nothing Tom will confirm that

[17:44] and to certain locations here in town is

[17:46] usually Thursday or Friday night for weekend sales.

[17:49] So, we want to target that particular time.

[17:52] » Any other questions on the canine? All right, let's move on to the drug

[17:56] enforcement agreement. Can you go I know one of the concerns

[18:00] that we had is we talked about was it is kind of a training It is a

[18:05] training program. It's identified as a training program.

[18:09] We're going to work We're talking about wanting to maybe

[18:13] have other officers that are interested so we can do a sign-up or something like

[18:18] that that that

[18:21] so that like say Mr. Buckley was our first candidate to go this he would do

[18:25] it for a year and bring that expertise back. We would send another officer to

[18:29] get trained in the same field same training that they would bring that

[18:34] expertise back. You know what I'm saying?

[18:37] It's not just a one one person one

[18:44] » That's going to be very difficult. >> One year is not a good cycle.

[18:48] » It It takes sometimes it takes a year to build a case, but you got to understand

[18:51] drugs is a little bit different than everything else cuz you have

[18:53] confidential informants you work with and you willing to work with me and then

[18:57] I bring somebody else in they may not work with after if drug investigations

[19:02] are a lot different than than other criminal investigations because you got

[19:05] to build your case usually through confidential informants. And they they

[19:08] trust who their handler is I hate to use that word, but

[19:12] it's true. Some of these cases are going to take

[19:15] could take a year to build. >> What's your thought process on how long

[19:19] this this this >> What is What is reasonable? And I I will

[19:22] give you an example and I think I appreciate that question.

[19:25] The city of Baltimore, you could be a detective for 5 years during your

[19:28] 25-year career. It could be 1 year, go back to the road, and the next year be a

[19:32] detective. Usually 5 years. Now, in this particular case, I think three is

[19:37] reasonable. I think three is reasonable. Um give

[19:41] them the time to build their expertise at it.

[19:45] You can bring somebody in slowly during that time period to transfer off CIs if

[19:50] you want to. But that will give you time to find out whether they're this is this

[19:54] successful or not. Um I think that is that is reasonable a reasonable period

[19:59] of time. I've been on multiple task forces.

[20:02] » You think that three three years per per individual? Cuz if we continue this,

[20:08] right, year after year three years What's what Do you think

[20:13] that after three years of this Well, I mean, this is a

[20:16] » That would be a That would be a fair question.

[20:19] » Some of the One of the concerns is once an officer's done here, they go to work

[20:24] somewhere else. So, we're really not we're

[20:28] getting maybe the biggest bang for the buck that

[20:31] we would expect here in North Baltimore from this program. Well, because because

[20:35] the the training that they're going to receive here is going to make them very

[20:38] valuable in extreme. >> That word I would use extreme. That's

[20:41] why you they have to have a contract. They have to stay here for a certain

[20:45] period of time. >> Yes.

[20:46] And what would you recommend that be? And what would you recommend that

[20:50] » Three years. Three years. Because And the mayor and I have talked about this

[20:53] very issue, and I've watched it many times, folks, and and I've been on

[20:57] state, local, and federal task forces. Somebody gets trained, and and the other

[21:01] side sees, "Hey, man, this guy's pretty good." What do they do? "Hey, come work

[21:04] for me for $8 more an hour." Come work for me.

[21:07] » That's all we're about. >> And and that's what I'm concerned about

[21:09] because I've worked in small towns via and that's why I've had these people

[21:12] sign contracts and I've been employed since I've been here the full-time and

[21:15] as well as part-time because we cannot afford the turnover is the most

[21:19] expensive thing you have. Yes. Same way in the Village of Whitehouse, police

[21:22] officers and firefighters that is the most expensive thing that you have and

[21:26] you have to prevent it either by environment, pay, or have them sign.

[21:31] » So so yeah, that's exactly right but the concern is yes, he's going to be in the

[21:35] program or he or she will be in the program for let's say 3 years.

[21:39] Right? But what do we get after that is what I'm talking about. I'm not talking

[21:44] about 3 years that we're paying and investing in them mainly, you know,

[21:48] invest if the this body decides to to go with this.

[21:52] That That That's >> You get 3 years of drug expertise and

[21:55] arrests and investigations here in the Village of Northwood.

[21:58] » And then what do we get after that is what I'm talking

[22:00] » I would never sign a contract with you more than 3 years.

[22:04] Never. I don't care where I'm at. >> 3 years is a long time to move on.

[22:08] » I'm guaranteeing you to stay here 3 years, provide my services and expertise

[22:12] because you're paying for it. Absolutely. But you're getting the 3

[22:15] years of service. Now, you start getting I I've seen one for 5

[22:19] years but that was a canine handler. And that's where they actually put

[22:22] $16,000 for the dog and everything else. >> So

[22:24] » So that's totally a different scenario here.

[22:26] » I guess what I listen to listen to you talk about how good the

[22:31] drug dog did. And pay yeah.

[22:34] Why wouldn't we give the drug dog a chance to work here in town before we

[22:39] try to do something like this? >> So I mean that would It's a It's a big

[22:42] investment. I mean >> It It is a big investment.

[22:44] » And I just think why wouldn't you give the

[22:47] drug dog a chance cuz listen to you talking about you got drug dealers

[22:52] falling out. >> Yeah.

[22:53] » Why wouldn't we give Why wouldn't we just I mean we we already invested in

[22:57] the drug dog. >> Great question.

[22:58] » But I asked that like that we take baby steps, right? Do invest in that. See how

[23:04] it goes. But we can't even really pull the trigger on this until next year

[23:06] because of finances anyhow. So, it would be time for I mean, guys, there's no

[23:13] money in the police department right now. I mean, other than what you guys

[23:16] have have put in there by appropriation. So,

[23:20] I don't think this is anything that we should be

[23:23] rolling out until the new budget year in my opinion.

[23:26] Mr. Mayor, that's what I was saying at the last meeting.

[23:29] Let's take baby steps to see if we can feed the problem up if there is truly a

[23:33] drug problem. >> Is the sheriff willing to wait till the

[23:36] first of the year? >> The sheriff called me before this

[23:38] meeting to know what the update was cuz he hadn't heard anything. He literally

[23:41] called me at I could say that. >> What what was the last part of that? You

[23:44] couldn't see what? >> Cuz he he he wants to know what's going

[23:46] on. He thinks this is this is drug running for too long.

[23:49] » And we did. We started this, you know, months ago. So

[23:52] » Even before I got here. >> We were talking about this in February.

[23:55] » We never committed to anything. >> No, but I think we were all interested

[23:59] in Sure, seeing this, you know, brought, you know, to to to

[24:04] to see if this program would work for us. My question my concern is when the

[24:08] sheriff was here, he had told us that two things. One, that if there were any

[24:13] there was any drug money, that would be split 50/50. And I don't believe that's

[24:18] in the contract. And two, um

[24:22] um

[24:24] the amount of time that they're going to spend here in North Baltimore. We want

[24:27] to make sure and I understand that if there are any case in Oregon, you know,

[24:31] that could take a couple months and they're not going to be here. But then

[24:35] they need to come here afterwards and spend time here. And that's not in the

[24:39] contract. And that was something that the sheriff basically told us,

[24:42] guaranteed us that would happen. I like things in writing to make sure

[24:46] that they're covered. Do you think that's something you should get?

[24:49] » Okay, I'd like to answer your question first and then I'll connect it to the

[24:52] other part. Um the reason why I think a dual

[24:54] approach is better than just the dog itself, the tips we're going to get from

[24:58] the informants from working the drugs is where you start with your K9 as well.

[25:03] It's kind of a two-pronged approach to it because when you have somebody

[25:05] specifically working drugs, they're the ones that are going to get the tips that

[25:09] they can tell the K9 handler. They can work together and stop vehicles for

[25:13] traffic violations, sniff those cars. So, it's kind of a dual-pronged approach

[25:17] to that. That's my answer to you. Now, to

[25:21] Here's the question and the and answer to yours.

[25:24] Uh

[25:27] He, the sheriff, and I'm not speaking as the sheriff because I don't know what

[25:31] his feeling is. I was never not involved in this from the beginning. He's willing

[25:34] to come down here and help us. We have to be a law and go help him,

[25:38] too. It should be a 50/50 road.

[25:41] » So, why why isn't none of these other, like like you said, if they're working

[25:45] on a case in North Baltimore, why isn't he

[25:49] have the have somebody from North Baltimore who

[25:52] can afford it a little bit more than what little North Baltimore can.

[25:56] That's why why why pick North Baltimore and if we're not focusing

[26:01] pretty much, I ain't going to say 100%, but

[26:03] in North Baltimore. I mean, it's >> Cuz he thinks North Baltimore is his

[26:06] biggest problem in this county. Why else would

[26:10] Why else would >> I don't I don't agree with that. That's

[26:12] that I don't know. Show me the data that You you just said that on I'd like to

[26:16] see the data that shows that. If it doesn't

[26:18] » That's what he believes. >> And that doesn't necessarily

[26:20] » to see the data that shows that. >> It has to be information that he gets,

[26:24] intelligence information that he gets, intelligence information OSP is giving

[26:28] to him. >> I don't know what he's information he's

[26:30] getting. After seeing this contract and with no accountability, I mean, it's

[26:34] just pretty much the the citizens of North Baltimore are paying for

[26:38] an employee that's out there doing what? Right? So, I So, because of that reason

[26:43] with no accountability, there's a lot of unanswered questions.

[26:47] I'm going with the drug dog. I'm going to say on record, I do not support

[26:51] » You have to go where the case takes you. You have to go where the case takes you.

[26:56] Sitting here putting something in writing is impossible.

[26:59] Because how do you know the people from North Baltimore and all these places are

[27:02] running dope here? >> I'm not saying that, you know, okay, you

[27:04] go up there, but I think we need something that says, "Yes, we we intend

[27:08] to spend just as much time in North Baltimore."

[27:11] » I have no problem with that. I think you're absolutely correct. I am.

[27:13] What he will sign is something else. What we want to put it on.

[27:17] » I think that's why I'm asking him face-to-face.

[27:21] We need >> We need to get it down here.

[27:22] » Chief, Chief thing I'm like, yes, my concern is we we have a police force

[27:26] here in the Village of North Baltimore that should be doing this. And I would

[27:30] hope that we're doing it. Right? I mean, don't lose sight that

[27:34] as much as I appreciate what you're talking about as far as the sheriff

[27:38] saying, "Hey, he don't have to come down here, but he's willing to come down

[27:40] here." We're paying for it. He's not willing to

[27:42] come down here. We're paying for that by putting an employee, an additional

[27:45] employee, on that staff. That's That's an investment for the citizens of North

[27:49] Baltimore. Let me say it. But again, it to to Mr. Ingard's point is why wouldn't

[27:55] we start one program, see how it works out because we do have a police force

[27:59] that cost the citizens of North Baltimore over a million dollars a year.

[28:02] Right? And And if we've got a drug problem, as you're saying the sheriff

[28:05] says it that North Baltimore is the biggest drug problem, his biggest drug

[28:09] problem in Wood County, right? That's That's what you said. And

[28:13] » I didn't say I said he may possibly believe that cuz he's willing

[28:17] to put this information or put this amount of money into it from him. He has

[28:20] one drug person and they're willing to spend the majority of their time down

[28:22] here. That has to tell you something. It has to tell you something.

[28:25] » So, are we capable of with with the right information and with with with

[28:30] with our canine unit, are we capable of >> We can attack the problem.

[28:34] » Yes. >> Can Can we solve the problem?

[28:36] More manpower you have, you throw at anything, the better it is. And I'm sure

[28:40] Richard will tell you that from his time, as well as anybody else, no matter

[28:43] what you do. Um if there's questions about an

[28:46] agreement, then don't do it. I've said that from the beginning. This is not a

[28:48] money maker. It could make you a [ __ ] ton of money. It could make It could be

[28:51] a loser. But, what we're trying to do is attack

[28:54] the drug issue here. >> In North Baltimore, right? With with

[28:57] with our resources that we have. >> Well, we have to help him. If he's

[28:59] helping us then >> you got to understand, Mayor, is it's

[29:02] not just in North Baltimore. North Baltimore is connected to Momence,

[29:05] connected to Oregon, and connected to all the other ones. Is that a correct

[29:08] statement? It it's you know >> say the biggest personal bringing drug

[29:11] in here is from Momence, Illinois. >> That was a statement to me. That was the

[29:14] That was the statement to me. Yes, but we're asking the residents of North

[29:17] Baltimore >> Would you just

[29:19] » I I made a statement and I asked him to confirm it. So, whether it was correct

[29:22] or not. >> So, I agree with that, right? But, why

[29:26] we're we're expecting the citizens of North Baltimore to pay for somebody to

[29:29] go up and deal with it in Momence, deal with it in Oregon, and deal with it

[29:34] » That that officer has expertise training that can then come

[29:37] back here and help clean up North Baltimore.

[29:39] » That's >> And this this is where

[29:42] where I would like Just a minute, please. I would like the sheriff to

[29:45] address the two concerns that I had to see if he is willing to put something in

[29:50] in the contract. Would you guys agree with that that we need that? Um that we

[29:54] need to know that we're going to have some quality time spent in North

[29:58] Baltimore. And if there is um any

[30:03] a drug bust that relates to some sort of financial

[30:07] amount, we get 50% of that because that's what he stated when he was here.

[30:11] Those are the only my concerns. Otherwise, I'm in full support of it. I

[30:14] don't know what everybody else >> I think we're all on the same page. We

[30:16] all need to work together and I have no issue

[30:18] uh with what you guys are comfortable with putting in in a contract. If you

[30:21] want to do that, so that's that's not an issue um because

[30:24] he has to agree to We can sit here and talk till we're blue in the face. But,

[30:27] we need to know what we want in that contract and if he won't sign it, that's

[30:30] on him. That's not on us. >> Correct.

[30:32] » Are Are Are we capable of dealing with drugs in the village of North Baltimore

[30:36] with the with with with what we have? With with the K9

[30:40] » At times, yes. And let me explain why. >> What was the last time we had a drug

[30:44] bust in the Village of North Baltimore? >> Uh not too long ago.

[30:47] » We just had one? >> Uh I'd have to go look at the records,

[30:50] but we've We're getting methamphetamines. We're getting tips for

[30:52] drug activity uh here. So, the answer to that is we

[30:56] get would be a word I would use frequently

[30:59] uh intelligence about drug activity. I'm not going to say where.

[31:03] Uh there's a couple locations that are here.

[31:06] Um >> So, we know about them.

[31:08] » We know about them. Um

[31:10] but when you only have one person out that's responding to calls, it's awful

[31:14] hard for them to do drug interdiction. It's awful hard for them to do drug

[31:17] investigations when you're in uniform and marked cars. It's all very

[31:19] difficult. And I'll give you an example.

[31:22] I was on a task force. It was a federal task force, local task force regarding

[31:26] uh counterfeit money. It was with the US Secret Service.

[31:29] Uh and I was a detective in Rossford at the time. And they were dropping bogus

[31:33] money all over Northwest Ohio. So, part of this task force, it just so

[31:38] happened these three idiots came to the Wendy's in Rossford and dropped their

[31:43] bad money. So, stopped the car. We got there, uh

[31:47] started investigation. They called me. I came out cuz I was part of the task

[31:50] force. Interviewed, uh was able to help convince these people it's the best way

[31:55] to go. Uh they were younger guys and led to a search warrant here at Bowling

[31:59] Green State University where over $100,000 was found.

[32:02] And I'm from Rossford. So, I My investigation led me all the way to

[32:06] Bowling Green. You don't know where they're going to

[32:08] take you. So, it's It's going to be hard.

[32:12] Now, when I talked to them and met with them, they have software that can tell

[32:16] you exactly how much time they're working on North Baltimore cases. They

[32:19] have that They have that capability to do that.

[32:20] » Who does? >> The The Sheriff's Office does. Sheriff's

[32:23] Office does. They have the the capability to tell you exactly

[32:26] percentage of time they're spending where and when.

[32:28] Because I asked that specific They could question, "How do we know? How do we

[32:32] know what they're doing and the cases they're working?"

[32:34] They want to work this area. They we to work this area for a reason.

[32:38] That's whatever you guys want in the contract, I'm not the guy to talk to.

[32:42] » We'll sit down and we'll we'll sit down and

[32:44] we'll talk to him. >> Well, let me ask you this, too. So, they

[32:47] have the capability of knowing where everybody is. And if I'm not mistaken on

[32:51] this contract, don't we have to only give 30 days notice and we can pull out?

[32:54] » I think so. >> So, if they give us an update every

[32:57] month and let us know how much time they're spending here, I don't even know

[33:01] if it needs to be in the contract if we're not happy with that and they're

[33:04] not willing to adjust it, we can pull the program.

[33:06] » The only thing that messes with that is if we hire a new officer, now we have an

[33:11] extra officer with >> But we have part-time officers, don't

[33:14] we, that we could fill in for those until we see how this kind of goes and

[33:17] » Well, we have somebody got to remember we have an officer off till the end of

[33:19] September on maternity leave. So, we're filling that because it I I do

[33:24] not want to do that. >> With your part-timers, you're filling

[33:26] that right now. >> Well, you got to remember half of the

[33:27] part-timers work full-time jobs. So, there's only certain days of week

[33:32] and hours they can work. >> I guess my question is is can we have to

[33:35] replace that full-time officer right away? Is that your goal to do that right

[33:39] away? Or can we kind of see how this program

[33:42] goes and proceed

[33:44] » We can do whatever council would choose. >> Well, I'm asking you. I don't want to

[33:47] ask the council for your opinion for >> It is a lot easier to hire somebody

[33:50] full-time, guys, because everybody's looking for a

[33:52] full-time job. Everybody that's working part-time in law enforcement, and

[33:54] there's very few, it's like finding a unicorn. Um

[33:59] and they're very difficult to find because people There's all these jobs

[34:01] that are open out there for law enforcement.

[34:03] Um I'm I'm willing to do whatever advise me to do. If we can work that

[34:07] out, that's something. Uh my only concern is that we've got

[34:12] Jordan through an FTO because we were going to hire her full-time and all of

[34:14] this has been been been been drug out uh that she will go someplace else. She

[34:18] signed a 3-year contract with us full-time. She's not full-time, so to

[34:22] me, she's not in that contract, so she can go wherever she wants.

[34:25] She can go wherever she wants. And if that's what we want to do, and I

[34:29] have no problem with that. We can try to >> When

[34:31] » We made the motion to hire her. It wasn't full-time.

[34:35] » It was actually full-time. >> It was full-time.

[34:37] » Yeah, and then we changed it to part-time.

[34:39] » Who changed it? >> Well, the council voted on it and

[34:41] changed it. >> Huh? No.

[34:44] » Josh >> No.

[34:45] » I believe so. >> We changed We changed the status. Show

[34:48] me those minutes. >> We changed the status because we didn't

[34:50] need another full-time. And so this went into effect.

[34:54] » So we So we made a motion. We did that by

[34:57] » By a vote. >> By a vote?

[34:58] » Yes. Yes, sir. >> Well, I don't remember that. Do you guys

[35:01] remember that? >> Yes.

[35:02] » Really? So we we hired Jordan full-time and then

[35:07] turned around >> We were going to hire her full-time

[35:09] because I didn't think we would last this long. And then when she could

[35:13] start, we didn't have the position, so we hired

[35:17] her part-time so she could do that. But the intent was for her to hire her

[35:21] full-time when the officer went down the drug task force.

[35:26] » I positively made the motion to hire her.

[35:27] » 100%. That we Yeah. That we did.

[35:31] » did. >> And then we turned around and said,

[35:33] "Wait a minute." >> Yeah.

[35:34] » Pump the brakes and >> Yes, because we can't decide on whether

[35:38] we want to do this or not. >> Yeah.

[35:39] It kept being drug out. >> I guess my point on the whole thing

[35:43] is you know, North Baltimore has been

[35:46] battling a drug problem for the last 60 years.

[35:52] And nobody's ever done anything about it.

[35:55] We've let it run rampant and you know, one of

[36:00] So we take a financial hit if this doesn't work out. At least we're taking

[36:03] a shot and trying

[36:06] to actually put a stop to it and work towards making North Baltimore better.

[36:11] It's never been done before. It It really hasn't. It just changes.

[36:17] The people change. >> So you can cut the end off a garden hose

[36:22] and throw it away, but the water's still coming out.

[36:26] And that's what this task force is all about, is to follow the snake to the end

[36:29] of the tail. To take it out.

[36:33] So that way the garden hose doesn't keep running out of North Baltimore.

[36:36] Well, the mayor The mayor had it when he said what he had to say.

[36:40] » No, you you you got Rossville there a little bit. What's that?

[36:42] » What what I had with the mayor and and and and Tim when we had our meeting, the

[36:46] mayor brought up a a great point which I think needs to be in this contract if

[36:49] you want to move forward, is the ability for the emergency circumstances that we

[36:53] have to have a company call our officer back. If we have an officer get hurt or

[36:56] two get sick or two get shot, we can't wait 30 days for that.

[37:01] We have to have an emergency recall. >> We we have no control over the overtime.

[37:04] We have no >> Yes, we do. I mean, we we have control

[37:07] Yeah, they're They have to contact me. If there's overtime, they're going to

[37:10] flex us in. >> Within within reason, you

[37:12] » Yeah, there's no >> It's in the contract.

[37:14] » Yeah, we're I I've already explained to them we're

[37:17] not doing that. >> It's Yeah, and we've already talked

[37:19] about it. >> Yeah, they're not doing that.

[37:21] » My concern is the the final supporters cuz we're paying for We're the only

[37:26] community paying for somebody to go outside and fight.

[37:31] Drugs and and and I would agree with you if we're

[37:35] focusing on North Baltimore and North Baltimore, right? North Baltimore.

[37:40] That's what we represent. We don't represent Rossville, we don't represent

[37:44] Bloomdale, we don't represent So I'm not sure what

[37:47] » So if the drugs coming to North Baltimore coming out of Rossville,

[37:51] » then hopefully the Rossville Police Department are looking into that.

[37:55] » Why? They're not selling them in Rossville.

[37:58] » They're not selling it in Rossville, they're selling it here.

[38:01] And then let's say let's say we take the guy out, right? We take the guy out, but

[38:06] the guy in Rossville's still making the stuff.

[38:09] » He's going to find >> And he's going to find somebody else who

[38:12] is doing drugs with this guy or buying drugs off this guy who wants

[38:17] the quick easy money and says, "Hey, just start dropping it at my house."

[38:22] So, yeah, we got rid of you know, the superficial problem, but

[38:27] we didn't we didn't take it out at the source. And that's what the task force

[38:31] is for. >> To get the big fish out there.

[38:33] » It's it's to follow it back to actually where it's coming from.

[38:36] » Yeah. >> We don't have the resources at

[38:38] Perrysburg or Rossford or Bowling Green for sure to get the you know, the

[38:41] resources from the sheriff's office helps us

[38:45] a lot. >> Yes.

[38:45] » Well, sir, we don't have the capabilities. Do we have the

[38:48] capabilities within our department to fight the drug and you're saying no, we

[38:52] don't have the personnel to do so. >> It's a lot easier for you to have

[38:55] somebody on the table. >> So, there there you go. That might be

[38:57] the problem. Maybe we need to add more officers to the Village of North

[38:59] Baltimore. Right? Or maybe we need to do what we

[39:03] talked about and get this person trained get this person trained and then bring

[39:08] them back to the Village of North Baltimore. But we're saying that we're

[39:11] not even going to get that. There's no guarantee of that.

[39:14] » We're going to have it. >> For years.

[39:17] » They're going to be bringing back. >> No, but you'll be but we'll we'll

[39:21] guarantee that. >> For years, I'm sure they could do a lot

[39:23] of damage around here for 3 years of working with that drug enforcement. Go

[39:28] ahead. >> That intel will go much further than

[39:31] just drugs. On the arson investigation task force in

[39:36] Northwest Ohio that I was on, I got brought over to Toledo police

[39:41] and got involved in a safe cracking case.

[39:45] Okay? They knew we were looking for this guy. He was tied to the safe cracking

[39:49] case. They needed to find these safes. Said, "Hey, can you get the dive team

[39:53] out?" So, we're getting resources involved,

[39:56] but the tips are going other places. It's not going to be just drugs. It'll

[40:01] go further to help the community overall.

[40:04] » So, I guess the question is I think the majority of the council favors this. Um

[40:08] I think are we going to accept the contract the way it is?

[40:12] » I don't think you should accept the contract the way it is.

[40:14] » Then let's let's get With With that you need to address with the sheriff to see

[40:17] if he can work with us. >> we all need to

[40:19] » I'll I'll be sitting down with the sheriff also. I'll tell you that right

[40:21] now because I because I I I'm over this department.

[40:25] » but I do believe that we need >> You and I will sit down with the the

[40:28] with the with the sheriff. We'll reach out to him

[40:32] and see when he's got time to sit down. And we'll address these issues.

[40:37] » him in here? >> Will you do that?

[40:39] » I would like that. >> I would I think bring him here so that

[40:42] all the council can address him. >> Yeah, cuz see you need to hear from me.

[40:44] You passing on the information that I'm hearing thirdhand.

[40:47] It ain't helping any of you. >> If you just tell him

[40:51] we're in favor of of doing this, but we have a couple concerns that we'd like to

[40:55] iron out with the contract if he would be willing to come to us.

[40:58] » Yeah, if you're not comfortable then I'm not comfortable. Okay?

[41:01] I I see some issues with this. The mayor's pointed out some

[41:05] and you have pointed out some and I think we need to address those with him.

[41:08] Is this a deal breaker for him? Probably not.

[41:10] I I don't think that it is. I want to leave you with one thing. If

[41:16] If I'm a carpenter, I need certain tools to do this job.

[41:20] If I'm doing drug enforcement, there's certain tools I need. One's a drug dog

[41:25] and a drug detective. It's no different than any other

[41:29] cuz those are the things that you get to go after the drugs and do your job

[41:33] effectively and correctly. But if you don't feel comfortable

[41:37] spending the money, completely understandable. This is a small town.

[41:41] I mean Windham Township was a small township. They it was a small town. I

[41:45] get it. I get it. Is do I personally think it

[41:49] would be worthwhile for us? Yes, I do. Under the circumstances that you're

[41:52] comfortable with and the mayor's comfortable with

[41:55] and dealing with the sheriff. Um

[41:58] we need to bring those concerns to him. Because I certainly have some I would

[42:02] not sign that. I would not sign that. I I agree with what

[42:05] » That's what we want to know. So >> Yeah, let's change it so we are

[42:07] comfortable. >> Well, what what Let me ask what things

[42:10] would you change? What what would you What would you be

[42:13] » Emergency recall would be one of the first things.

[42:16] Um

[42:19] I think if they got the overtime provision was in there that they would

[42:22] have to clear overtime with me. The only time there should ever be overtime in

[42:26] this task force is if it's the last day of the pay period and they can't stop it

[42:30] at 4:00 in the afternoon. They're on some drug surveillance. That should be

[42:33] the only time. Any other time they got flex the schedule. He has to flex the

[42:37] schedule. He knows that. So, there shouldn't be any That's the only

[42:40] scenario where there should be >> That's a big one.

[42:43] » Because there's really no accountability to this thing to us.

[42:47] » That's That's one of my concerns. Another thing, there needs to be some

[42:50] communication going back to this department, going back to you about

[42:53] what's going on. >> And I

[42:54] » This is not just an open-ended >> I agree with monthly numbers. Yeah. I

[42:57] don't have any problems any of that. >> Yeah.

[42:59] » I don't have any problem with any of that. They have the capability to track

[43:02] the percentage of the time they're down here working a case down here.

[43:05] » And letting you know kind of the things that are going on and what the

[43:08] expectation we have to We have to know that the the the residents are getting

[43:12] something in return for their but even to that

[43:16] I just I don't support this. So, I would I'm saying that for the record. I want

[43:20] that to be on record that I do not support this program.

[43:24] » Do we want to invite the sheriff to our September 1st meeting of the whole or

[43:27] September 8th? >> Well, I'm I'm wondering if the sheriff

[43:29] wants to do it sooner. I guess that's, you know, if he's willing to wait until

[43:33] committee of the whole, that would be great. But, if he wants to get since he

[43:37] called you today >> I would like to be here when he is here.

[43:40] » What are you going to be doing that >> Well, I have the

[43:43] I have issues in my household to be in the news here shortly.

[43:47] So, uh no. It's Don't ask me.

[43:51] » So, the first Tuesday the first two Tuesdays are out for you.

[43:54] » The first two and the third one as well. >> Okay. So, does a Monday night work?

[43:59] » You tell me and I what what's good for you and I'll tell you my schedule.

[44:03] I I I'm here for you other than Tuesdays I've I've committed to

[44:08] » That's Monday night work here. I mean if you you want to see if Monday would work

[44:12] and see if we can >> I'm sure he's more than willing to come

[44:15] down and and speak with with us. You can voice your concerns directly to him cuz

[44:20] he's the one that's got to sign it for them, folks.

[44:22] Not me and the mayor got to sign it here.

[44:24] » Is Monday the 24th at say 4:30 or 5:00?

[44:29] » I'm sorry, what day was that? >> Monday the 24th, I think is what you

[44:32] was. >> Let me check. Hang

[44:33] » Thank you.

[44:39] » Or do I do what >> Monday the 24th, I have nothing.

[44:42] » Or do you do the 31st? >> Monday the 31st?

[44:45] » I would come back. I have a doctor's appointment, but I could come back. It's

[44:48] It's earlier in the day. >> What's counselor

[44:49] » The 31st works better for me, but I don't know what everybody else is doing.

[44:53] » know. Let's maybe see what the sheriff's >> So the 24th I just want to write that.

[44:57] 24th >> 24th and 31st are both Mondays. Let's

[45:00] see what the sheriff's availability looks like for both of those and go from

[45:02] there, maybe. Before we ask for both an actual special

[45:06] meeting. >> can I can let you know what what he

[45:08] said. >> That's That's not a problem.

[45:11] » Okay. >> Uh going back to the K9 contract, do we

[45:15] need an official motion to approve that as is as written or

[45:19] what are we thinking? >> I

[45:22] Did you want to check on the 2-year? >> I don't think it'd be an issue, but I

[45:25] feel more comfortable if that's where you guys are standing on that.

[45:28] » Is the 2-year in the Not in this contract, but the other contract with

[45:31] the individual personnel? >> That the other contract is for the

[45:34] police officer contract. >> Not the K9 contract.

[45:36] » So this one's a 3-year? >> I'm sorry.

[45:39] » The 3-year for the for the for the drug enforcement agreement?

[45:42] » I I would I would say 3 years for that's reasonable

[45:45] to me cuz I've been on multiple task forces.

[45:48] » It seems like we can approve the K9 right?

[45:52] » We wanted to check on the 2-year. >> But that's for the person though.

[45:55] » though. >> And correct it.

[45:57] Yes. The 2-year is for the person, not the dog.

[46:00] » That's K9. >> 2-year would be

[46:02] » For the >> dog.

[46:03] » For the K-9. We can put it in the K-9 contract. What's the difference if Cuz

[46:06] when she starts, she's basically she's getting done with that deal right now.

[46:09] So, we're going to have the car back next week.

[46:11] » Okay. >> And we can be ready to go.

[46:13] » We don't want to We don't want to address the contract either what

[46:15] contract tonight. You want to talk to her first.

[46:18] » Or we can put the 2 years in there and I can say take it or leave it.

[46:21] So, it depends on what you guys want. Is 2 years the minimum?

[46:24] » Just for time frame, can you just go with the 2 years and then she's like,

[46:28] "No." Then come back to >> Yeah, that's fine. Do you I think that's

[46:32] going to be a problem? No, I don't I don't think so.

[46:34] » Yeah. >> I don't think that's a problem.

[46:36] » They're talking about the K-9 2 years. They're going to make a motion.

[46:39] Do Do Do amend to approve the agreement with an amended

[46:44] 2-year >> Yes.

[46:45] » with an amended 2-year >> I had a 1-year

[46:48] » agreement. It's a 2-year contract. >> And I'll make that motion.

[46:51] » I'll second that. >> Okay.

[46:55] » Is there any other discussion? Vote when ready, please.

[46:57] » Well, we didn't have a second, did we? >> Yes, I missed it. I'm sorry.

[47:00] » It's okay. >> Miss Hefter?

[47:02] » Yes. >> Mr. Richmond?

[47:03] » Yes. >> Mr. Eingaard?

[47:04] » Yes. >> Mr. Bozack?

[47:06] » Yes. >> Miss Booker?

[47:07] » Yes. >> All right, moving on to second readings.

[47:10] Ordinance number 2026-19 ordinance >> I will get with him to see if the 24th

[47:14] or the 31st is okay. I will contact him and let you guys know and I'll make sure

[47:18] you cuz I'll be at school tomorrow. >> Thanks for sticking around.

[47:21] » No, not at all. Appreciate it. >> Let me know where Kelly is at.

[47:23] » I don't think it'll be an issue. If it is, then we'll discuss it, but I don't

[47:25] think it will be. >> Okay.

[47:26] » Have a good night. >> Thanks.

[47:28] » Ordinance number 2026-19 ordinance number 2025-18

[47:33] 18 regarding the designated operator's special assessment area.

[47:39] Moving on. Ordinance number 2026-24

[47:43] ordinance authorizing certification of liquid utilities as a special assessment

[47:46] to the Wood County Auditor. Moving on ordinance number 2026-25

[47:51] ordinance authorizing the certification of grass mowing as a special assessment

[47:55] to the Wood County Auditor. We go to ordinance number 2026-26,

[47:59] an ordinance levying special assessment of costs and expenses of cleaning up

[48:03] streets, alleys, ways, and other public places in the Village of North

[48:08] Baltimore for 2026 authorized certification of same to the Wood County

[48:11] Auditor. We go to ordinance number 2026-27, an ordinance levying special

[48:15] assessment of costs and expenses of lighting for the streets, alleys, ways,

[48:19] and other public places in the Village of North Baltimore for 2026 authorized

[48:22] certification of same to the Wood County Auditor.

[48:25] We go to ordinance number 2026-28, an ordinance levying special assessment of

[48:30] the costs and expenses of trimming expenses of trimming, maintaining, and

[48:34] cleaning of trees along the streets, alleys, ways, and other public places in

[48:37] the Village of North Baltimore for 2026 authorized certification of same to the

[48:41] Wood County Auditor. We go to ordinance number 2026-29, an ordinance levying

[48:45] special assessment of the costs and expenses

[48:47] of constructing, repairing, replacing, and maintaining sidewalks in the Village

[48:51] of North Baltimore for 2026 authorized certification of same to the Wood County

[48:54] Auditor. Resolution number 24-2026, a resolution

[48:59] authorizing the Village Administrator to submit application to the Wood County to

[49:03] the Ohio Public Works Commission for the Village Park and North Baltimore Storm

[49:06] Water Improvement Projects. Resolution number 25-2026, a resolution

[49:10] authorizing the Village Administrator or their designee to submit an application

[49:14] to the Wood County Local Park Improvement Grant Program for

[49:18] 2027 program year.

[49:22] We go to resolution number 26-2026, a resolution establishing a downtown

[49:27] facade facade grant program, approving program guidelines, and authorizing the

[49:32] Village Administrator or their designee to administer

[49:36] the program. Resolution number 27-2026, a resolution authorizing the Village

[49:40] Administrator to submit an application to the Ohio Public

[49:43] Public Works Commission for the North Main Street Improvement Project from

[49:47] Wooster Street to Cherry Street. Uh with with with reading that,

[49:52] do what are we obligated to in that if that

[49:56] passes? What's the obligation to the residents of North Main Street?

[50:00] » It is what we're saying. What do you call it? What do you call it? 120

[50:04] something I think it was. >> 120,000?

[50:06] » Yes, about that.

[50:10] » Um if that's just for engineering, that's not the project itself.

[50:15] Project itself was I think 80/20. >> That's correct.

[50:18] » Is what they're going for? >> Actually, I think it's in the more of a

[50:20] 50/50 with being grant and 0% loan over 30 years. Just a kind of

[50:26] very similar to what we do with East Broadway, that whole PWC project.

[50:29] Welcome. >> We might want to take a look at that

[50:32] because before we obligated to that because you're talking about I mean a

[50:36] 50/50 grant loan is

[50:42] you're talking about couple million dollar projects here probably.

[50:45] What I would assume. >> Well, this project specifically

[50:48] construction is around 499,000. >> What is it?

[50:52] » Well, we're trying to stay under that $500,000 threshold for the construction

[50:55] side of things. That's what we're applying for. So, it's not going to be a

[50:57] multi-million dollar thing. >> So, it's Main Street North Main Street I

[51:01] apologize. North Main Street to Walnut. >> From Cherry I'm sorry, from Walnut to

[51:05] Cherry. >> Yeah, from Walnut to Cherry is only

[51:07] going to You're saying it's only going to be a $500,000 project?

[51:10] » The improvements that are being uh put into this

[51:14] » Okay. >> Yes, $700,000.

[51:16] » Is the estimated engineers >> Well, that's just the construction.

[51:19] » I got you. >> Just the sidewalk

[51:21] and storm water and obviously the street, so the curbs are

[51:25] fine. I used to walk with Mason yesterday. Curbs are the best thing

[51:28] about that street part of the >> That's That's good. Is there with the Is

[51:31] there with the engineer saying it's going to be around $500,000 what they

[51:35] have? Okay, that's That makes sense. >> I believe I gave you the estimate before

[51:38] if you remember that.

[51:43] » Okay, thank you. So, that's yeah, want to make sure that they're aware of what

[51:47] they're >> We are tackling these big our main

[51:51] streets with Main Street about >> $1,000,

[51:55] yeah, that's >> So, it looks like it would be $250,000.

[51:58] Let's just say it came in at $500,000. $250,000 plus $120,000 for the

[52:04] engineering, we're looking at $370,000 somewhere around there, total project,

[52:08] which might not be a bad idea.

[52:12] Probably you come up with that. Pretty sure. Moving on, third reading,

[52:17] ordinance number 2026-14, an ordinance enacting sections 373-13 of

[52:22] the codified ordinance regulating the operation of bicycles, electric

[52:25] bicycles, and other similar devices. You have a motion to adopt?

[52:30] » So moved. >> Second.

[52:32] » Motion and second. Vote when ready, please.

[52:36] » Okay. Mr. Richmond?

[52:39] » Yes. >> Mr. Engard?

[52:40] » Yes. >> Mr. Bozak?

[52:41] » Yes. >> Miss Fogle?

[52:43] » Yes. >> Miss Hepner?

[52:44] » Yes. >> Moving on, ordinance number 2026-16, an

[52:47] ordinance vacating an unapproved portion of South

[52:50] Bates Street right-of-way located south of East Water Street.

[52:54] I get a motion to adopt? >> So moved.

[52:58] » Second. >> Vote when ready, please.

[53:02] » Mr. Engard? >> Yes.

[53:04] » Mr. Bozak? >> Yes.

[53:05] » Mr. Sweat? Miss Fogle?

[53:08] » Yes. >> Miss Hepner?

[53:09] » Yes. >> Mr. Richmond?

[53:11] » Yes. >> This next resolution is being um we're

[53:13] going to ask for a motion to table it, please.

[53:16] Resolution number 15-2026, a resolution authorizing the execution of

[53:20] professional services agreement with Prime Number Incorporated for the State

[53:23] Route 18 multi-use path and Pole Road sidewalk project, approving the

[53:27] agreement attached hereunto as exhibit A.

[53:31] » And if I may, the reason why it's on there is because I was hoping it would

[53:34] develop a lot faster with the whole master plan professional services

[53:37] agreements. Eric is aware, which is obviously

[53:40] here today, but basically Johnson Henry pushed back a little bit on what was

[53:44] approved by council and we're working through that with Bob and things are

[53:48] just kind of going slow right now. I haven't got a response back I don't

[53:51] think from Kleinfelder yet and I know people in their office were were out on

[53:55] vacation. So, we're still hearing back from them, but

[53:58] that's why I brought it here because when I submitted it

[54:01] Yes. >> So, you want to table it until September

[54:04] 8th or >> Might as well. I mean, we got to do

[54:06] something to get it on the agenda. >> table it, you just table it and then

[54:09] make a motion to take it off the table when you're ready to do so.

[54:12] » I'll make a motion to table. >> Table number

[54:15] Resolution number 18-26. Is there a second? Is there a second?

[54:19] Thank you for that for filling us in on that.

[54:21] » Thank you for mentioning your bed rest. >> Vote when ready, please Mason.

[54:24] » Mr. Bozak? >> Yes.

[54:26] » Ms. Bofry? >> Yes.

[54:27] » Ms. Hefner? >> Yes.

[54:29] » Mr. Wichmann? >> Yes.

[54:30] » Mr. Angard? >> Yes.

[54:32] » When we go ahead >> On the table I would assume cuz we're

[54:35] going to force them to talk to the sheriff, so

[54:37] » Yeah. So, Resolution number 18- >> 18-26 authorizing the mayor to execute

[54:42] an agreement for drug enforcement services with Wood County Sheriff's

[54:46] Office and the Wood County Board of Commissioners attached there to as

[54:50] Exhibit A asking this to be tabled to after we discuss with

[54:52] » Sheriff. Motion to table Resolution number 18-26.

[54:58] » I'll second it. >> Vote when ready, please Mason.

[55:03] » Ms. Bofry? >> Yes.

[55:04] » Ms. Hefner? >> Yes.

[55:05] » Mr. Wichmann? >> Yes.

[55:06] » Mr. Angard? >> Yes.

[55:07] » Mr. Bozak? >> Yes.

[55:09] » Motion to adopt. Vote on motion to adjourn.

[55:13] » I'll make that motion. >> I second that motion.

[55:16] » Vote when ready, please Mason. >> Ms. Hefner?

[55:19] » Yes. >> Mr. Wichmann?

[55:20] » Yes. >> Mr. Angard?

[55:21] » Yes. >> Mr. Bozak?

[55:22] » Yes.

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