[0:02] You want to make a

[0:05] >> I think we have to do that right after

[0:06] roll call, I think. Right.

[0:09] >> Yeah.

[0:10] >> What are you looking at? What do you

[0:11] want to modify?

[0:18] » Oh my god.

[0:30] Uh, we're live. Let me make sure your

[0:32] mics are on.

[0:34] >> All right, we got six o'clock. Everybody

[0:36] ready?

[0:39] >> Anybody not ready?

[0:40] >> I'm ready.

[0:41] >> Let's do this.

[0:43] >> Let's call the Ogalsby City Council

[0:44] meeting to order. Roll call, please.

[0:46] >> Baldridge,

[0:47] >> here.

[0:47] >> Cullinin,

[0:48] >> here.

[0:48] >> McDermott

[0:49] >> here.

[0:49] >> Moy,

[0:50] >> here. Currin,

[0:51] >> here. Before we do the pledge of

[0:52] allegiance, I'm told we might have a

[0:55] modification to the agenda. that

[0:57] >> yeah go ahead to modify the agenda by

[0:59] placing the mayor's report as number one

[1:01] item. The second item will be the going

[1:03] into executive session. The third item

[1:05] will be asking to table the uh thing

[1:08] that I had on there. I guess I don't

[1:10] know where that came from or who put it

[1:11] on there but I don't the GTI information

[1:13] I don't think is uh it's not available.

[1:16] It's not ready to be talked about

[1:18] publicly.

[1:19] >> What GTI information? Where is it at?

[1:22] Which which item

[1:22] >> I had on there. someone put on there for

[1:24] me to discuss about GTI and the rate

[1:27] plan.

[1:29] >> Do you have a different agenda?

[1:30] >> No, I don't I don't see that on my

[1:31] agenda.

[1:32] >> Which number do you have?

[1:33] >> My suggestion there, Rich, that we we

[1:34] could just move to table that if we get

[1:36] to it at some point.

[1:37] >> I don't know which one you're talking

[1:38] about

[1:38] >> because I don't see one on it.

[1:39] >> It's not on. Um, it might have been a

[1:41] draft one. Is is there is there a need

[1:45] to go into executive session for one of

[1:47] our items prior to because I hate to

[1:49] have an audience of people here.

[1:53] >> Which which one do you want to go into

[1:54] executive session for so I can read off

[1:56] the correct one if we do move it?

[1:57] >> Personal matters.

[2:01] » Okay.

[2:01] >> 120 ILCS.

[2:03] >> Yep. Okay.

[2:04] >> 2C2 probably Jason

[2:06] >> the last one

[2:08] >> or it could be 2C1. Is it collective

[2:11] bargaining or performance discipline?

[2:14] >> Wait a second.

[2:15] >> Okay, that's the last one, Jason.

[2:17] >> Okay, so you want to make a motion to

[2:19] move the mayor's report up

[2:22] and let's do them as separate motions

[2:24] then. Um, so you want to make is that

[2:27] correct? You making a motion to move the

[2:28] mayor's report up as the next item.

[2:32] >> I was making a motion to move the two

[2:34] things.

[2:34] >> You want to try to vote for both of them

[2:35] at the same time?

[2:36] >> I don't see why we can't.

[2:38] I think it makes it confusing, but okay.

[2:40] All right. Um, so the motion is to move

[2:42] the mayor's report up and to move one of

[2:44] the executive sessions up as well um to

[2:48] the first item.

[2:49] Is there a second for that?

[2:51] >> I'll second that motion.

[2:53] >> Okay. Roll call.

[2:55] >> Uh, Baldridge.

[2:56] >> Hi.

[2:56] >> Colin,

[2:57] >> no.

[2:57] >> McDermott.

[2:58] >> I.

[2:59] >> Moy.

[3:00] >> I.

[3:00] >> Currin.

[3:01] >> No.

[3:02] >> Okay. Um, is there a specific order to

[3:04] those though?

[3:06] >> You want mayor's report first, I guess.

[3:09] Okay. Um, [clears throat]

[3:12] I feel like we should do the pledge

[3:13] first. Can we do the pledge first? Let's

[3:15] stand for the pledge of allegiance.

[3:17] >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

[3:20] United States of America and to the

[3:22] republic for which it stands, one nation

[3:25] under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[3:28] justice for all.

[3:30] >> Okay. Um, mayor's report. Uh, first

[3:33] thing I want to do is I wanted to thank

[3:35] the electric department. um they had a

[3:37] relatively large outage. Um and not only

[3:41] do they always do a great job, but I

[3:42] just wanted to say this is one of the

[3:44] advantages of of our small community

[3:46] that we have here. Not saying that Amron

[3:48] doesn't do a great job with their

[3:50] technicians and and things like that,

[3:51] but when you have a small community

[3:53] here, our people are not only they're

[3:56] more than just technicians. They're

[3:57] friends, their family, their relatives,

[3:59] um neighbors of people. So, they always

[4:01] work super hard for that and I

[4:03] appreciate that. Uh the other thing I

[4:05] wanted to add to that was that I

[4:06] specifically had four residents that

[4:08] called in to give thanks for that and I

[4:10] really appreciate that because it is so

[4:12] rare that we can uh get that kind of

[4:15] recognition for usually the kind of

[4:17] things that we get feedback on is is

[4:18] usually things of a negative nature. So

[4:20] I really appreciate that. And the le the last thing I want to get which is

[4:24] really weird to talk about as the first

[4:25] thing I wanted to talk a little bit

[4:27] about uh 2026.

[4:29] So, um, over the the holidays and stuff

[4:32] like that, uh, at church, I there was a thing that somebody talked

[4:35] about with, uh, don't let people steal

[4:37] your joy. Um, and and giving it away.

[4:40] Um, you know, when it comes to me,

[4:42] there's about four or five people

[4:43] locally that that give me a hard time

[4:44] and about half a dozen na nationally.

[4:46] There's 8 2 billion souls on this

[4:48] planet. That's not a bad number. So,

[4:50] 2026 is filled with a lot of good things

[4:53] that we have. Ogalsby is one of the best

[4:55] places to live. Um, there is so much

[4:57] good that we have on the horizon. and

[4:59] some of it's long-term like for example

[5:00] the thousand acres that's about to

[5:02] develop around us here uh with uh with

[5:04] the state parks that's going to be a

[5:06] huge economic boom to the city that's

[5:08] probably years away. We got another

[5:10] possible one that I'm hoping we're going

[5:11] to be able to announce in several months

[5:13] if it's going to happen or not. That'll

[5:14] be a big one. And I have another one

[5:15] here in about a month that hopefully

[5:17] within a month that we'll be able to

[5:18] talk about here. Um there's a lot of

[5:20] great things on the horizon uh for

[5:22] Oglesby. So um be part of of giving that

[5:26] joy to other people. We have a lot of

[5:27] great organizations in the city, uh,

[5:30] volunteer organizations, things that

[5:32] people were part of, people that are

[5:33] people volunteering to be coaches,

[5:35] whatever it is. There's a lot of great

[5:37] ways to give back to our community and

[5:39] to be part of all the great things that

[5:40] we have here. It's still one of the best

[5:41] places to live. So, uh, that's really

[5:44] all I had. So, kind of a weird thing to

[5:46] do up front, but we'll talk about that,

[5:47] I'm sure. All right. The next item that

[5:49] got moved up was one of the executive

[5:51] sessions for

[5:53] the employment compensation, discipline,

[5:55] performance, or dismissal of specific

[5:57] employees 5CS120/2C1.

[6:01] Can I get a motion to go into executive

[6:03] session for that specific item?

[6:05] >> Motion to enter executive session.

[6:08] >> I'll second.

[6:08] >> Roll call, please.

[6:10] >> Uh, Baldridge.

[6:11] >> Hi.

[6:11] >> Cullinin.

[6:12] >> Hi.

[6:12] >> McDermott.

[6:13] >> Hi.

[6:14] >> Moy.

[6:14] >> I.

[6:15] >> Uh, Curtain.

[6:16] >> Hi. All

[6:18] right. I apologize everybody for the

[6:20] delay. Um I'm not sure how long we'll be

[6:22] in there. So we'll be back out and

[6:24] obviously we got a full agenda to do. So

[6:35] » Pat, I got a question for you. If we had

[6:36] multiple things that we were going to

[6:38] talk about for this item,

[6:40] >> would you probably need to do all of

[6:41] them right now then, too?

[6:43] >> I mean, you can make a motion.

[6:48] Yeah.

[6:50] >> Okay.

[6:52] >> So, we still could do the other one at

[6:53] the end.

[7:27] I was in bed before the midnight hour.

[1:29:58] There's still a few people here.

[1:30:07] We didn't put the We didn't put the

[1:30:09] music on.

[1:30:13] » There was music.

[1:30:14] >> Okay.

[1:30:35] >> we're back in open session. Roll call,

[1:30:37] please.

[1:30:39] >> Sorry. Uh Baldridge

[1:30:41] >> here.

[1:30:41] >> Cullinin

[1:30:42] >> here.

[1:30:42] >> McDermott [clears throat]

[1:30:43] >> here.

[1:30:43] >> Moy

[1:30:44] >> here.

[1:30:44] >> Curran

[1:30:45] >> here. All right. I apologize about that

[1:30:47] everybody. Uh number four, uh public

[1:30:50] comment on agenda items only,

[1:30:53] >> please.

[1:30:59] Okay,

[1:31:01] >> mayor, before I start, I'd like to ask

[1:31:04] I've done a lot of research on this.

[1:31:06] >> Can you pull your Can you pull the mic

[1:31:07] thing close to you? That way people can

[1:31:09] hear you. No, the the button button

[1:31:11] underneath.

[1:31:12] >> I watch everybody struggle with

[1:31:13] [laughter]

[1:31:16] » Sorry, what did you say? Go ahead.

[1:31:17] >> I I just want to before I start, I I'd

[1:31:20] like to ask that you let me complete

[1:31:22] what I have to say. I'm not sure what

[1:31:23] the time is limit. It's It's not

[1:31:26] lengthy, but I just would hate to be

[1:31:28] interrupted.

[1:31:29] >> So, what I usually do is after five

[1:31:30] minutes have elapsed, I'll say, "Ma'am,

[1:31:33] your five minutes has elapsed if you

[1:31:34] could wrap up or summarize." So, I will

[1:31:35] try not to interrupt you before that.

[1:31:36] Okay.

[1:31:37] >> I thought it was three minutes. I'm not

[1:31:38] going to go.

[1:31:39] >> You're good to go.

[1:31:40] >> Okay. So, first of all, I want to know

[1:31:42] I'm going to I'm going to give you a

[1:31:43] little bit of history because I think

[1:31:44] it's important to understand

[1:31:47] um my point. Um I I'm addressing uh I

[1:31:51] believe that is Do you have an agenda

[1:31:53] number nine?

[1:31:55] Well, there's there's five items in

[1:31:57] there.

[1:31:58] >> Here you go.

[1:32:00] >> The inspectors.

[1:32:01] >> Yes. Okay.

[1:32:02] >> Discussion and possible action on

[1:32:04] ordinance returning building and

[1:32:05] electrical inspectors to the electric

[1:32:07] commissioner. First of all, I'd like to

[1:32:09] point out that that is incorrect. I, as

[1:32:12] you know, am city clerk, have been city

[1:32:14] clerk um and have been involved with the

[1:32:17] [clears throat] city for um about 14

[1:32:20] years. And to my knowledge and based on

[1:32:24] the research that I have done, the

[1:32:26] inspectors have always been under the um

[1:32:30] guidance of the mayor, not the the

[1:32:34] building or the electrical commissioner

[1:32:36] at all. And that did change in 2023

[1:32:41] when Commissioner Stephanelli came

[1:32:44] aboard and his expertise made it sense

[1:32:47] to uh to shift it to accounts and

[1:32:49] finance.

[1:32:51] So um in 1913

[1:32:55] Oglesby adopted the commission form of

[1:32:57] government and established five areas of

[1:33:00] oversight. Public affairs, public

[1:33:02] safety, streets and improvements,

[1:33:04] accounts and finances and public

[1:33:06] property for more than 75 years. Those

[1:33:10] ordinances that established their roles

[1:33:12] of those positions went unchanged. I

[1:33:15] think in 1975 there was an addition

[1:33:19] computers became important and

[1:33:21] commissioner um Corless uh was granted

[1:33:25] uh oversight over computers as they

[1:33:27] brought them into the city. Um, so for

[1:33:30] more than 75 years,

[1:33:33] nothing really changed.

[1:33:36] In 2019,

[1:33:38] the new council's first action was to

[1:33:40] rewrite commissioner roles based on the

[1:33:41] commissioner's self-proclaimed strengths

[1:33:44] and personal agendas. They would later

[1:33:47] alter these roles six times in four

[1:33:49] years. I think most will agree that is

[1:33:52] not good government.

[1:33:54] The current council made their own

[1:33:55] changes in May of 2023, which seemed to

[1:33:58] restore most of the original roles with

[1:34:00] a few changes that basically distributed

[1:34:03] some of the public affairs

[1:34:04] responsibilities which the mayor

[1:34:07] typically oversees to others. At the

[1:34:09] time, I felt this was the reset the city

[1:34:12] needed to restore professionalism and

[1:34:14] civility to the council. And that's when

[1:34:17] this council said, "Hold my beer."

[1:34:21] This council, more than any other

[1:34:23] council in the past, has demanded

[1:34:25] autonomy in their areas of oversight.

[1:34:28] This was all well and good until

[1:34:30] recently with what I understand has been

[1:34:33] no meaningful discussions with the

[1:34:35] people involved in code enforcement. Two

[1:34:37] commissioners proposed shifting the

[1:34:40] responsibility of code enforcement from

[1:34:42] accounts and finance commissioner

[1:34:43] Cullinin to public property commissioner

[1:34:46] Baldridge.

[1:34:47] My question to you, Commissioner

[1:34:49] Baldridge and No, what's changed?

[1:34:53] Commissioner Baldridge, I believe that

[1:34:55] you said at the last meeting that your

[1:34:58] experience as a concrete finisher makes

[1:35:00] you more knowledgeable about

[1:35:02] construction and more qualified than

[1:35:04] Commissioner Cullinan to be over the

[1:35:07] inspectors.

[1:35:09] I'd like to say that first there are

[1:35:11] very few examples of Oglesby elected

[1:35:14] officials who are truly qualified for

[1:35:17] the roles that they assume. It is

[1:35:19] unrealistic to think that commissioners

[1:35:21] have to be skilled in the everyday

[1:35:24] operations of their departments. That's

[1:35:26] what city employees and professionals

[1:35:29] like engineers and auditors and um

[1:35:32] attorneys, that's what they bring to the

[1:35:35] table.

[1:35:37] So, I don't I I I think if you could

[1:35:40] look at yourselves and ask, "Am I really

[1:35:42] qualified to be the uh the the head of

[1:35:47] an electric department, a 2.3 million

[1:35:49] dollar enterprise? What in my personal

[1:35:52] experience does that or am I really

[1:35:54] qualified to oversee a police department

[1:35:58] and and manage the day-to-day

[1:36:00] activities?" And I think the answer to

[1:36:01] that is no. Second, I'm curious as to

[1:36:05] why both of the commissioners saying

[1:36:07] Cullinin's interest and involvement in

[1:36:09] local politics was more important than

[1:36:11] that candidate's credentials and

[1:36:13] experience in that field.

[1:36:16] I also see this change as a blow to

[1:36:18] employee morale. No employee should have

[1:36:21] to answer to two commissioners when it

[1:36:23] comes to their daily duties. Handing

[1:36:26] this authority over to the commissioner

[1:36:27] of public property is effectively

[1:36:29] creating a situation in which the

[1:36:32] inspectors, the city clerk's office, and

[1:36:34] the police department will be under the

[1:36:36] control of two commissioners.

[1:36:40] Last but not least, in the short time

[1:36:42] that Austin has been a commissioner, he

[1:36:44] has presented himself as someone who

[1:36:45] makes decisions based on best practices

[1:36:48] and what's truly in the best interest

[1:36:50] for the city and its residents. He does

[1:36:53] his research. His decisions are

[1:36:55] fact-based and fair. In my time spent

[1:36:58] with Austin, when he was presented with

[1:37:01] any possible situation requiring

[1:37:03] enforcement, his first question to me

[1:37:05] always was, "What does code say?" He

[1:37:07] didn't ask who made the complaint, and

[1:37:10] he didn't ask whose property, who owned

[1:37:12] the property. He wanted to know what the

[1:37:14] code said and how we address it. That's

[1:37:19] not always been true. I could rattle off

[1:37:22] the halfozen instances when in the last

[1:37:24] two years politics entered into

[1:37:27] enforcement decisions.

[1:37:29] As someone who is part of the process of

[1:37:31] writing the land development code, who

[1:37:34] served at the zoning administrator, and

[1:37:36] who firmly believes in maintaining the

[1:37:39] quality of our neighborhoods, I ask you

[1:37:41] to vote no. This change does not benefit

[1:37:44] the citizens of Bulglesby. And honestly,

[1:37:47] I think it's political bullying and

[1:37:49] power grabbing.

[1:37:51] Commissioner McDermott.

[1:37:53] >> Yes, ma'am.

[1:37:54] >> I'm going to specifically ask you to

[1:37:56] consider your vote. I'm not sure that

[1:37:58] you truly understand the power that

[1:38:00] [clears throat] you have right now.

[1:38:06] I ask you to ask yourself how this

[1:38:08] change benefits the residents of

[1:38:10] Oglesby. Please co keep code enforcement

[1:38:13] free from politics and personal agendas.

[1:38:16] If you believe that maintaining

[1:38:18] properties should be a priority, then

[1:38:20] rather than vote for this ordinance,

[1:38:22] support the building inspectors, city

[1:38:24] clerk's office, and the police

[1:38:26] department by allowing them to do their

[1:38:28] jobs.

[1:38:30] >> Thank you.

[1:38:31] Appreciate that.

[1:38:33] >> Are there any other public comments on

[1:38:35] agenda items only?

[1:38:38] >> Seeing none, we'll move on. Number five,

[1:38:40] approve minutes from the December 15th,

[1:38:42] 2025 regular meeting. If there's no

[1:38:44] additions, corrections, or

[1:38:45] modifications, can I get a motion to

[1:38:46] approve the minutes?

[1:38:53] Uh, if we're not going to approve the

[1:38:54] minutes, do we need to table them?

[1:38:57] Is everybody exhausted because we had an

[1:38:58] executive session before?

[1:39:01] I need to either table something.

[1:39:02] >> I'll make a motion that we table them.

[1:39:05] >> Second.

[1:39:06] >> Okay, we're tableabling minutes. Uh,

[1:39:07] roll call, please.

[1:39:09] >> Aldrich.

[1:39:09] >> Hi.

[1:39:10] >> Colin.

[1:39:12] >> I. McDermott

[1:39:13] >> I

[1:39:14] >> Moy

[1:39:15] >> I

[1:39:15] >> Curran

[1:39:16] >> I not sure what we're tableling but okay

[1:39:20] six approve minutes from the October 6th

[1:39:22] October 20th November 17th December 1st

[1:39:24] and December 15th 2025 executive session

[1:39:27] if there's no additions corrections or

[1:39:28] modifications. Can I get a motion to

[1:39:30] approve the executive session minutes?

[1:39:32] >> I apologize but I've yet to be able to

[1:39:35] those and take notice of them. Uh I did

[1:39:38] put it on the agenda for an alternative

[1:39:39] solution possibly. Okay.

[1:39:41] >> Um, for that reason, I would like to

[1:39:42] table the passage of the minutes.

[1:39:45] >> I'll second [clears throat] that.

[1:39:46] >> All right. More than one person feels

[1:39:48] they need to table them.

[1:39:50] >> I get a motion to uh approve tableling.

[1:39:53] >> Baldridge.

[1:39:54] >> I sorry. Roll call. I'm sorry.

[1:39:56] >> Calvin.

[1:39:56] >> I.

[1:39:57] >> McDermott.

[1:39:58] >> I.

[1:39:58] >> Moy.

[1:39:59] >> I.

[1:39:59] >> Currin.

[1:40:00] >> I.

[1:40:01] >> Number seven. Approve bills presented

[1:40:03] for payment in the amount of

[1:40:04] 1,430,535.90.

[1:40:08] If there's no additions, corrections, or

[1:40:10] modifications, can we get a motion to

[1:40:12] approve the build? I imagine you're

[1:40:13] going to explain.

[1:40:14] >> Yeah. So, it's a viscering payment. Um,

[1:40:17] the way the loan works uh is basically

[1:40:20] that we pay visering and then we get the

[1:40:23] loan dispersed back to us from um the

[1:40:25] IEPA. So, um that's kind of an odd

[1:40:30] format, but that's how it works. Um and

[1:40:32] then the other big thing is just our

[1:40:33] IMEA payment. So,

[1:40:35] >> we're going to have that happen numerous

[1:40:37] more time. Any Ross, any idea how many

[1:40:39] more times that's going to happen?

[1:40:40] a lot of times,

[1:40:41] right?

[1:40:42] >> This is the third pay, sorry, the fourth

[1:40:45] pay

[1:40:46] process right now and we're 15% of the

[1:40:49] way through the job.

[1:40:50] >> So, it's going to happen a lot more

[1:40:51] times. Maybe something for the future.

[1:40:53] We maybe we want to separate those

[1:40:54] because that does look weird without an

[1:40:56] explanation. So, but for now, we can

[1:40:57] approve them if that's good.

[1:40:59] >> Those funds have already been dispersed

[1:41:01] to the city.

[1:41:02] >> I know.

[1:41:02] >> So, those funds are being used

[1:41:05] Yeah,

[1:41:05] >> that's why I'm wondering if maybe a

[1:41:06] different way to present it may make it

[1:41:08] a little less confusing then. So, but

[1:41:10] can I get a motion to approve the bills?

[1:41:12] >> Uh, I will motion that we approve bills

[1:41:15] presented for payment in the amount of

[1:41:16] 1,396,326.86

[1:41:20] » 400 the new one.

[1:41:21] >> Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, I'm looking at the

[1:41:23] old agenda. That's my bad. Uh, I will

[1:41:25] motion that we approve bills presented

[1:41:27] for payment in the amount of

[1:41:28] $1,430,535.90.

[1:41:31] Thank you.

[1:41:32] >> I'll second that motion. Roll call,

[1:41:34] please.

[1:41:34] >> Baldrich.

[1:41:35] >> Hi.

[1:41:36] >> Cullinin.

[1:41:37] >> Hi.

[1:41:37] >> McDermott.

[1:41:38] >> I.

[1:41:38] >> Moy.

[1:41:39] >> I.

[1:41:39] >> Currin.

[1:41:40] >> I. Number eight. Approve payroll for

[1:41:42] December 19th, 2025 in the amount of

[1:41:44] $64,48747.

[1:41:47] If there's no additions or corrections

[1:41:48] or modifications. Can I get a motion to

[1:41:49] approve the payroll?

[1:41:51] >> I will motion that we approve payroll

[1:41:52] for December 19th, 2025 in the amount of

[1:41:55] $64,48747.

[1:41:59] » I'll second.

[1:42:00] >> Roll call, please.

[1:42:01] >> Baldridge.

[1:42:02] >> Hi.

[1:42:02] >> Colin in. I

[1:42:03] >> McDermott. [clears throat]

[1:42:04] >> Hi

[1:42:04] >> Moy.

[1:42:05] >> Hi

[1:42:05] >> Curran.

[1:42:06] >> Hi. Number nine, old business. A

[1:42:08] discussion and possible action on

[1:42:10] ordinance returning building and

[1:42:12] electrical inspectors to electric

[1:42:13] commissioner Baldridge.

[1:42:16] >> Uh it's my understanding that we've

[1:42:18] already discussed and uh voiced our

[1:42:21] opinions on the passage of the

[1:42:22] ordinance. We expected the attorney to

[1:42:24] draft the ordinance and uh I believe

[1:42:26] that's what's on the agenda tonight is

[1:42:28] to pass or not pass the ordinance.

[1:42:31] >> Okay. I'll go around the room. My

[1:42:33] comments.

[1:42:34] >> Yeah, that's my question, too. Do we

[1:42:36] have the ordinance?

[1:42:36] >> We had the ordinance.

[1:42:37] >> Yeah, I sent it to Jen on Friday. I

[1:42:39] don't know.

[1:42:40] >> I put it in the drive.

[1:42:43] >> I saw ordinances maybe.

[1:42:45] >> It was at the end of the day when I

[1:42:47] finally got it done. But

[1:42:48] >> yeah.

[1:42:49] >> Um

[1:42:50] >> Yeah, I see ordinances for the variance,

[1:42:52] but I don't see ordinances for that. So,

[1:42:55] >> I can I can send I can go get it.

[1:42:58] >> I have it here, Jen, if you need it

[1:42:59] quickly.

[1:43:00] >> Yeah. How's it read?

[1:43:02] >> I will uh

[1:43:04] I'll speak my two cents on it. So, um at

[1:43:08] the last meeting, I I voiced really my

[1:43:10] main concern with it, which is kind of

[1:43:12] the process um uh that was kind of taken

[1:43:18] to get to this point. Um I do think and

[1:43:22] I I think it's rather evident that um

[1:43:26] there is uh some degree of political

[1:43:29] tension uh in the city of Ogulby. Uh and

[1:43:33] I think uh this is a good example of

[1:43:36] that. The fact that something like this

[1:43:38] was placed on the agenda, nothing was

[1:43:40] said to me about it. Um you know, I I

[1:43:43] would have at least appreciated a heads

[1:43:44] up. Um, but I also think, um, kind of

[1:43:49] alluding to what Becky said, and I'll

[1:43:51] mention this again earlier, but I I

[1:43:53] think just kind of willy-nilly changing

[1:43:55] things, um, is a symptom of dysfunction,

[1:44:00] which the previous council had started.

[1:44:03] Uh, and so I I don't like that. But I

[1:44:06] will talk about a few other things. Um

[1:44:09] Becky touched on uh some of them, but

[1:44:12] again uh moving another commissioner

[1:44:15] into oversight of people working in city

[1:44:18] hall uh further clouds boundaries

[1:44:20] between commissioners. And we've already

[1:44:22] had kind of a number of uh scuffles that

[1:44:26] have happened behind the scenes about um

[1:44:29] whose responsibilities are whose

[1:44:31] responsibilities and I don't think

[1:44:33] making that more confusing is

[1:44:35] necessarily a good idea. Um,

[1:44:38] additionally, um, I had actually the day

[1:44:42] before, and I mentioned this at the last

[1:44:44] meeting, um, the day before this was

[1:44:46] placed on the agenda, I had sent out an

[1:44:48] invite, and I granted I should have done

[1:44:50] it earlier, um, but I had sent out an

[1:44:53] invite to, um, the building inspector,

[1:44:56] Commissioner Moy, uh, Chief Margus, uh,

[1:45:00] to sit down and and discuss, uh,

[1:45:02] enforcement of building code and city

[1:45:05] ordinances. is

[1:45:07] >> I I had that meeting

[1:45:10] >> uh with uh Burton uh our building

[1:45:12] inspector and uh only Burton on I

[1:45:16] believe it was the 29th of December. Um

[1:45:19] and uh what Burton and I discussed uh

[1:45:22] was a process because I I think there's

[1:45:25] two big things at play here and why uh

[1:45:29] certain building codes aren't being

[1:45:31] enforced. I think it's a combination

[1:45:33] historically of politics, but more

[1:45:35] recently of uh process. I guess there's

[1:45:38] not a I don't think there's um a a good

[1:45:42] process in place to actually um identify

[1:45:46] remedy these uh building code

[1:45:49] violations. And so I'll actually show

[1:45:51] you um something that I pieced together.

[1:45:54] Um I have mentioned um that I am in the

[1:45:57] midst of trying to migrate the city uh

[1:46:02] to

[1:46:03] um Microsoft. Uh and I I think there's a

[1:46:06] good reason for it. Um the we currently

[1:46:09] have for email, but we don't really have

[1:46:13] uh the suite of Office 365 uh products.

[1:46:17] I'm not there yet. The suite of Office

[1:46:19] 365 products that would make this

[1:46:21] relatively seamless. Uh we have

[1:46:24] basically our emails. We have a

[1:46:25] perpetual license in the office for um

[1:46:28] office 2014 which lacks these features

[1:46:31] and I I really do think um this

[1:46:35] getting this down would really move us

[1:46:37] into 2026. Um it's kind of industry

[1:46:40] standard but let me pull this up for

[1:46:42] you.

[1:46:45] So, one of the things I did here, um,

[1:46:48] and this is something that I've talked

[1:46:50] about before, um, is there absolutely

[1:46:53] needs to be some sort of a universal

[1:46:57] form that people can submit, um, that

[1:47:00] everybody, well, everybody who uh, needs

[1:47:04] to know about a ordinance, building code

[1:47:07] violation, whatever, everybody can see.

[1:47:11] Okay. Um, as I I think I might have said

[1:47:14] at a previous meeting, um, that people

[1:47:17] on the council were curious about

[1:47:19] building permits, uh, and you know, when

[1:47:23] who's filing building permits, what are

[1:47:25] they filing them for, when are they

[1:47:26] filing them, whatever. We moved that

[1:47:28] over to the cloud to Excel. Um, and now

[1:47:32] everybody can see that at just a click

[1:47:35] on their phone. Um, they can they can

[1:47:37] see all of that. And I really think we

[1:47:39] need something similar for this. And so

[1:47:41] what I did was I put together a code

[1:47:43] violation form. Um, and this would be

[1:47:45] universal. It'd be used by every

[1:47:47] department. Uh, but basically what you

[1:47:49] do is you select your type of complaint,

[1:47:51] whether it's a building, electrical

[1:47:52] complaint, a plumbing complaint, an

[1:47:54] ordinance complaint, a zoning violation,

[1:47:55] whatever. You type in the location of

[1:47:58] the complaint. You have the option to

[1:48:00] leave contact information so the person

[1:48:03] who's investigating the complaint can

[1:48:05] follow it up or can follow up on it with

[1:48:07] you. um because they'll likely need more

[1:48:09] information. And then you have uh you

[1:48:13] have to provide information on what

[1:48:15] exactly it is uh that is the basis of

[1:48:17] your complaint. And so what happens is

[1:48:20] and this is the beauty of for all of the

[1:48:24] negative things about you know AI and

[1:48:27] automation and whatever this is one of

[1:48:29] the beauties of living in uh 2026 is you

[1:48:34] can actually put together using

[1:48:35] Microsoft's Power Automate tool. Um,

[1:48:38] it's an automation tool. Um, you can

[1:48:41] actually put a flow together where when

[1:48:43] a new response is submitted, uh, the

[1:48:46] Excel spreadsheet that this is linked

[1:48:48] to, which I'll show you in a sec, uh,

[1:48:50] pulls that information into it. And so

[1:48:53] that Excel spreadsheet is what everybody

[1:48:55] can see, that Excel spreadsheet pulls

[1:48:57] this information into it from the forms

[1:48:59] and it's there and it's visible and

[1:49:02] nobody has to manually input it. And

[1:49:04] then better yet, um when you select uh

[1:49:07] building, electrical, plumbing, zoning,

[1:49:10] whatever, um it will this switch down

[1:49:13] here, it will send an automatic email uh

[1:49:16] to whoseever uh area of concern it is.

[1:49:20] And so if you put a building electrical

[1:49:22] complaint in, it will send an automatic

[1:49:24] email to Burton Levens, our building

[1:49:26] electrical inspector. Uh if you put in a

[1:49:30] uh plumbing thing, it'll send it to Alt.

[1:49:32] If you send if you put in an ordinance

[1:49:33] thing, general ordinance thing, it will

[1:49:35] send it to the police department. Okay.

[1:49:37] Uh and so all automated reduces the

[1:49:41] amount of paperwork that people have to

[1:49:42] do. And I'll actually show you uh the

[1:49:45] Excel sheet as well. This is uh this is

[1:49:48] what it would look like on our end. Uh

[1:49:50] this is what the how the information

[1:49:52] would be provided to us or presented to

[1:49:54] us. Uh basically when it comes in I

[1:49:57] actually filled out one for my house

[1:49:58] just I don't think there's any

[1:50:00] complaints but you know uh just as an

[1:50:02] example uh it comes in automatically uh

[1:50:05] it gets put in as an automatic input

[1:50:07] method. You can actually add manual uh

[1:50:10] entries to it by selecting this drop

[1:50:12] down here and putting manual. Uh if you

[1:50:15] if somebody calls in calls it in doesn't

[1:50:17] fill out the form. There's the status of

[1:50:20] it, the date that it was submitted, the

[1:50:22] type of complaint it is, and this uh

[1:50:24] basically the way the automation works

[1:50:26] is whatever it says in here, it sends

[1:50:28] that email to whoever's area of concern

[1:50:30] it is. The location of the complaint, contact information, the

[1:50:34] complaint information, that's all stuff

[1:50:36] that's from the form automatically

[1:50:38] populated into the Excel spreadsheet.

[1:50:41] Okay? And then there's form there's a

[1:50:43] few fields here or a few columns here uh

[1:50:46] for the actual person who's tasked with

[1:50:48] investigating the violation to fill out.

[1:50:50] So data first contact with complaint the

[1:50:53] complainty response was action taken yes

[1:50:56] or no they can put down the applicable

[1:50:58] ordinance uh and then they list a

[1:51:00] follow-up date. They list a solution and

[1:51:02] then they can also add administrative

[1:51:04] notes. And so what I did here was I went

[1:51:07] on Lasal County property tax assessor's

[1:51:10] website or whatever and I just took a

[1:51:11] picture of my house. I uploaded it to

[1:51:14] one drive. I created a sharable link and

[1:51:17] uh just for documentation for evidence

[1:51:20] you can actually it will link you to

[1:51:23] that picture. Uh and so or whatever

[1:51:26] pictures you can link it to a folder and

[1:51:28] it will show multiple images. Okay. Um,

[1:51:31] and so we've taken the first steps on

[1:51:34] this and yeah, granted I probably could

[1:51:36] have taken them earlier. I that's that's

[1:51:38] fine. That's a fair point. Whatever. Um,

[1:51:41] but the the steps have been taken. And

[1:51:44] frankly, had this not ever been placed

[1:51:46] on the agenda, since I did take action

[1:51:48] on this the day before it was placed on

[1:51:50] the agenda, we could have already had a

[1:51:52] resolution to this. We could have all

[1:51:54] been on the same page. I could have I

[1:51:55] could have met with Commissioner Moy in

[1:51:57] the police department and we could have

[1:51:59] moved on this sooner than we are now

[1:52:01] because we have to decide ultimately

[1:52:03] whose department it's it's going to be.

[1:52:06] Um the

[1:52:09] I mean that's that's basically all I

[1:52:11] have to say about it. Um I'll yield my

[1:52:14] time. So

[1:52:15] >> Okay,

[1:52:17] Commissioner B,

[1:52:18] >> thank you foring your time. It

[1:52:19] >> was very [laughter] good. It was very

[1:52:20] good. Um, no. And I think that's great

[1:52:23] administrative stuff. I don't think that would the oversight would change

[1:52:27] that. I mean, your guys's role wouldn't

[1:52:30] change as far as accepting building

[1:52:31] permits, accepting fees, processing

[1:52:33] those, and getting them to Burton. It's

[1:52:36] just if there's a complaint about a

[1:52:38] building permit thing, wouldn't someone

[1:52:41] who has more construction background be

[1:52:43] the appropriate person to discuss that?

[1:52:46] I didn't when I made my change, I didn't

[1:52:48] expect that Rich would be in there.

[1:52:50] bossing around the girls in the office.

[1:52:53] It would all be flowed just like it is

[1:52:55] now. I mean, are you involved in the

[1:52:57] day-to-day every time an building

[1:52:59] permits issued that you're assigning it

[1:53:02] to Burton?

[1:53:04] >> No.

[1:53:04] I mean, it just kind of

[1:53:06] automatically flows that way. And if

[1:53:08] there's an issue, then it would go to

[1:53:10] the person who has the construction

[1:53:11] knowledge.

[1:53:12] >> I can I respond?

[1:53:14] >> Yeah.

[1:53:14] >> Okay. What I would say um about that is

[1:53:18] um at the last meeting um Commissioner

[1:53:21] Baldridge uh said something very

[1:53:23] similar. He admitted that it comes down

[1:53:25] to who has the knowledge in the given

[1:53:27] situation, but then he referenced a

[1:53:29] situation with the property on Watson

[1:53:31] where he said all of us, this was his

[1:53:34] quote, "Look stupid because none of us

[1:53:36] knew what we were talking about." And he

[1:53:38] said, "Well, it's better to have me in

[1:53:40] there who at least knows a little bit

[1:53:42] about it." And so I mean what I would

[1:53:45] say in that case is I I think and it's

[1:53:48] no fault of Commissioner Baldridge. We

[1:53:51] all have our our you know things that

[1:53:53] we're experts in and I'm sure you know

[1:53:55] more about concrete than Burton does. Uh

[1:53:58] but what I would say though is I think

[1:54:01] as far as

[1:54:03] uh the totality of uh the building code

[1:54:08] I I think Burton and really structures

[1:54:11] and whatever else. I I would think that

[1:54:14] Burton probably knows a lot more than

[1:54:16] you and I just I don't know how exactly

[1:54:19] you'd be a check on [clears throat]

[1:54:20] that. So

[1:54:21] >> just want to make sure that we keep

[1:54:22] going around. Everybody gets first. Did

[1:54:24] you have any more that you wanted to

[1:54:26] >> You asked a question, I think, or

[1:54:27] something.

[1:54:28] >> That was

[1:54:28] >> You were good.

[1:54:29] >> No, I'm good.

[1:54:31] >> Okay. Commissioner McG, [clears throat]

[1:54:33] >> um I'm going to ask, do you have the uh

[1:54:37] sewer and water

[1:54:39] the paper that was Aaron handed you the

[1:54:41] other day?

[1:54:42] >> I do. I'm going to read I'll read that

[1:54:43] when I get to my thing.

[1:54:44] >> Well, that's the reason why I'm asking.

[1:54:46] >> You want me to read it now for you?

[1:54:47] >> Well, if you would, please.

[1:54:49] >> Sure. under the um street and water

[1:54:52] commissioner. It it says this in one of

[1:54:55] the lines of all ordinances,

[1:54:57] resolutions, rules, and regulations

[1:54:59] pertaining to the water department, the

[1:55:00] sewer department, the street department,

[1:55:02] and the plumbing inspector, and the

[1:55:03] commissioner may prescribe and enforce

[1:55:05] any other rules and regulations in order

[1:55:07] to work toward the efficient and

[1:55:09] economical management of the department,

[1:55:11] not in conflict with any law ordinance

[1:55:13] or resolution. So, it does say the word

[1:55:15] plumbing inspector in there. It is not

[1:55:17] under

[1:55:19] >> that person though.

[1:55:20] >> The daybyday operation goes through to

[1:55:22] finance. Is that correct?

[1:55:26] >> I'm sorry. You're asking me. What are

[1:55:28] you asking me?

[1:55:28] >> The dayby-day financing part of it goes

[1:55:31] through to finance. Correct.

[1:55:32] >> Yeah.

[1:55:34] >> I would suggest that that needs to be

[1:55:36] put in there and then even with the

[1:55:39] electric department be the same.

[1:55:42] >> You see what I'm saying? A day

[1:55:44] [clears throat] by day.

[1:55:46] the finance and is doing the plumbing

[1:55:50] and water and everything else.

[1:55:52] >> Correct.

[1:55:53] >> The only time I get involved is when

[1:55:56] it's directly an issue

[1:55:58] >> when when something ties into a private

[1:56:00] plumbing thing into that. That's so

[1:56:03] there's a little bit there is some

[1:56:04] relation to that. I'm going to talk

[1:56:05] about that a little bit, but

[1:56:06] >> well that's where I'm getting at. That's

[1:56:08] where I think

[1:56:09] >> that's what I was trying to make the

[1:56:10] argument last time is the the

[1:56:12] departments don't have anything to do

[1:56:14] with the inspectors.

[1:56:15] >> See, that was recently brought up to my

[1:56:16] attention and I think that needs to be

[1:56:19] in there.

[1:56:22] » Well, I'm sorry. What? What needs

[1:56:24] >> I think that that needs that's what

[1:56:25] needs to be in there. That was recently

[1:56:26] brought up to my attention

[1:56:29] >> earlier today about the dayby-day

[1:56:32] functions should be in there.

[1:56:35] Pat

[1:56:38] I don't want to interject but just based

[1:56:40] on the day

[1:56:40] >> by day functions is operated by the

[1:56:42] finance the only time I get in there

[1:56:44] >> daytoday functions of what Mac

[1:56:47] >> the building plumbing inspectors and

[1:56:49] everything else the only way I get

[1:56:51] involved is if there's an actual

[1:56:52] >> can you share that

[1:56:53] >> confrontation

[1:56:54] >> I'm not sure

[1:56:55] >> that's just the case I just I don't know

[1:56:57] >> read it again

[1:57:00] » and is this a code section

[1:57:02] >> this is it's it's the code se this is

[1:57:04] just a snippet But it's the code section

[1:57:06] underneath the uh the the street and

[1:57:09] water commissioner

[1:57:11] >> u is what it says public whatever it is

[1:57:13] public improvement your your spot that's

[1:57:15] what it says that's the only mention of

[1:57:16] the word public plumbing inspector

[1:57:18] >> right

[1:57:19] >> is what I'm saying

[1:57:20] >> but the dayby-day operation goes through

[1:57:22] finance

[1:57:24] >> see what I'm getting at

[1:57:26] >> I don't I don't either office

[1:57:28] >> I don't either

[1:57:29] >> day by day operation

[1:57:30] >> daybyday operation goes through finance

[1:57:31] somebody comes in here and wants a

[1:57:32] plumbing license or inspected, it goes

[1:57:35] through that office.

[1:57:36] >> He does not involve the go any correct

[1:57:40] office and that wouldn't change

[1:57:41] >> what I'm argument right here is that I'm

[1:57:44] taking it out of the clerk's office and

[1:57:46] that's not a valid argument.

[1:57:48] >> That's what I'm trying to get at.

[1:57:50] >> Well, I'll

[1:57:52] leave it at that. You go ahead and do

[1:57:54] your thing, Rich. So,

[1:57:55] >> do Rich Let do his and then

[1:57:57] >> He did his. That's why he went first.

[1:57:59] >> You done with yours?

[1:58:00] >> He went first. Um, okay. So, I was going

[1:58:02] to read this, but the funny thing is

[1:58:04] Becky actually I hate to read that, but

[1:58:06] I I put it all together and I took out

[1:58:08] all the bad words. So, I feel like I

[1:58:09] still want to read it, but Becky

[1:58:11] actually touched on at least 50% of what

[1:58:12] I what I was going to write here. So, um

[1:58:15] let me read [clears throat] it. Before

[1:58:16] we get into opinions, I want to start

[1:58:17] with some factual correction because

[1:58:18] accuracy matters. The agenda states the

[1:58:20] proposal would return inspection

[1:58:22] services to the electric department.

[1:58:24] That is not correct. Inspection services

[1:58:26] in the city has never been under the

[1:58:27] electric department. Historically, they

[1:58:29] reported directly to the mayor's office.

[1:58:31] During this administration and with some

[1:58:33] extensive talks with Commissioner

[1:58:34] Stephanelli, um where did I say? Um I

[1:58:38] agreed to move them under the accounts

[1:58:40] and finance commissioner at least

[1:58:42] functionally because that department

[1:58:43] already manages the building permit

[1:58:45] process, plan review fees, compliance

[1:58:47] tracking and records. So keep in mind

[1:58:49] they are still not in the ordinance of

[1:58:51] the finance commissioner. They just

[1:58:53] happen to be in that department they

[1:58:54] work with the most. Also, the words

[1:58:56] plumbing inspector do appear in the

[1:58:58] street commissioner ordinance, but they

[1:59:00] don't report to him what it says. And I

[1:59:02] quote, "Of all ordinances, resolutions,

[1:59:05] rules, and regulations pertaining to the

[1:59:07] water department, the the sewer

[1:59:08] department and the street department and

[1:59:10] the plumbing inspector and the

[1:59:11] commissioner may prescribe and enforce

[1:59:13] any other rules and regulations in order

[1:59:14] to work with towards the efficient and

[1:59:16] economical management of the department

[1:59:18] not in conflict with conflict with any

[1:59:19] law, ordinance or resolution. So to be

[1:59:21] clear, this proposal is not a return to

[1:59:23] a previous structure. It would be new

[1:59:25] and unprecedented change. What

[1:59:27] inspectors actually do? It's also

[1:59:29] important to clearly define the roles of

[1:59:30] our inspectors. Building, plumbing, and

[1:59:32] electrical inspectors oversee private

[1:59:34] property construction. They enforce

[1:59:36] building codes, electric codes, plumbing

[1:59:38] codes, and permit compliance. They do

[1:59:40] not inspect city-owned electric

[1:59:42] infrastructure. They do not inspect

[1:59:44] substations, transmission lines, or

[1:59:46] municipal electrical systems. They do

[1:59:48] not oversee electric department

[1:59:49] operations. The electric department's

[1:59:51] work and the inspector's work operate in

[1:59:53] entirely different spheres. Because of

[1:59:56] that, placing inspectors under the

[1:59:57] electric department does not improve

[1:59:59] oversight, efficiency, or compliance,

[2:00:01] and it raises legitimate concerns about

[2:00:02] independence and organizational

[2:00:04] alignment. addressing the experience

[2:00:06] argument. There's also been an argument

[2:00:07] made that this change is justified based

[2:00:09] on personal construction and building

[2:00:11] and trades experience of our electric

[2:00:12] commissioner having not x amount of

[2:00:15] defined years experience but more years

[2:00:17] of experience than another council has

[2:00:19] been alive. I find that to be more of an

[2:00:21] attack on someone's age than their

[2:00:23] actual knowledge. Experience absolutely

[2:00:26] does have value. But inspection

[2:00:28] oversight is not governed by the tenure

[2:00:30] alone. It is governed by code

[2:00:31] enforcement principles, administrative

[2:00:33] controls, permitting workflows, legal

[2:00:35] defensibility and independence from

[2:00:36] operational departments. There are

[2:00:38] nationally recognized qualifications

[2:00:39] that exist specifically to define

[2:00:41] competency in construction management

[2:00:43] and inspection oversight and including

[2:00:45] and I got these from Google and chat

[2:00:48] GPT. Uh first one certified construction

[2:00:52] manager CCM by the way super impressive

[2:00:55] uh certification very specific though.

[2:00:57] Next one, project management

[2:00:58] professional, PMP, ICC building and

[2:01:01] electrical inspector cert certification,

[2:01:03] certified building official, CBO, and

[2:01:05] professional engineer. Interestingly

[2:01:07] enough, if you looked at how these were

[2:01:09] ranked, uh Google even put uh PMP on

[2:01:12] top, which is interesting because we

[2:01:15] have somebody up at this uh on this

[2:01:16] council that has one of those, right?

[2:01:19] That happens to be me.

[2:01:22] So I I I actually think, believe it or

[2:01:25] not, Google has it wrong. C CCM is

[2:01:28] probably way more than the PMP, but I'm

[2:01:30] not going to argue with Google if it's

[2:01:31] saying I know what I'm talking about.

[2:01:33] But that's all right. That said, that

[2:01:35] said, this is not about credentials or

[2:01:36] personalities. It's about structure,

[2:01:38] precedent, and sound governance.

[2:01:41] Competence. This is where the real crux

[2:01:42] of everything should lie. Competence is

[2:01:44] a hard thing to try to ever guarantee

[2:01:46] with elected officials, but our last

[2:01:48] person in the role had a high very high

[2:01:50] degree of competence in this area. I

[2:01:52] even had this written before I knew

[2:01:53] you'd be in the audience. In fact, I

[2:01:55] think he did a pretty good job. In

[2:01:57] almost the seven years I've been on the

[2:01:58] council, we really had only one major

[2:02:00] thing messed up with the building

[2:02:01] inspection related stuff. At least to

[2:02:03] the point where we had to issue out a

[2:02:05] settlement. Here's the funny thing.

[2:02:07] Based on the complications of the

[2:02:08] circumstances, I don't even blame the

[2:02:10] past commissioner for those errors. I

[2:02:12] mean, I would prefer to have have him

[2:02:13] perhaps handle it a little differently

[2:02:15] or a little better, but I can't

[2:02:16] complain. He saw an issue and he did a

[2:02:19] lot of work in the clerk's office to fix

[2:02:21] the issue from ever being able to happen

[2:02:23] again. Bravo. I say this because when

[2:02:26] that air happened, no other commissioner

[2:02:28] came in and said, "Hey, because of that

[2:02:29] mistake, I want to take charge of the

[2:02:31] inspectors." Now, flash forward to our

[2:02:33] new commissioner. He has not had any

[2:02:35] issues with any building permits or

[2:02:36] inspectors in the 10 months he's been

[2:02:38] doing the job. In fact, he's worked

[2:02:39] extra hard to make changes to fix things

[2:02:41] for even better as you could see by the

[2:02:45] very long detailed explanation that we

[2:02:48] had on the screen here. Um, so my point

[2:02:50] is he has done a lot of efforts and work

[2:02:52] to try to improve the process and this

[2:02:55] is before items have even become an

[2:02:57] issue. So to me that's demonstrated more

[2:03:00] than adequate competence to not make a

[2:03:02] change to how this is handled currently

[2:03:04] where inspectors should report. So this

[2:03:06] decision should be straightforward. We

[2:03:07] can leave inspectors where they are

[2:03:09] integrated with the permitting and

[2:03:10] finance functions that are already

[2:03:11] support their work or if a change is

[2:03:13] truly necessary, return to the structure

[2:03:15] that has existed for decades, maybe even

[2:03:18] a hundred years with inspectors

[2:03:19] reporting to the mayor's office, which

[2:03:21] they technically do now. What does not

[2:03:23] make any sense in moving inspectors

[2:03:25] under department they do not inspect,

[2:03:27] they do not support, and whose

[2:03:28] operational responsibilities are

[2:03:30] unrelated to private construction

[2:03:32] compliance. That approach does not align

[2:03:34] with best practices and does not improve

[2:03:36] accountability. Closing. For those

[2:03:37] reasons, I do not support moving the

[2:03:39] inspection services under the electric

[2:03:40] department. On top of that, you'd be

[2:03:42] separating it from the plumbing anyways.

[2:03:44] I believe the current structure works.

[2:03:45] And if this body believes a change must

[2:03:47] be made, the only historical, accurate,

[2:03:49] and logically consistent alternative is

[2:03:50] returning inspection oversight to the

[2:03:52] mayor's office. This decision should be

[2:03:53] based on facts, function, and

[2:03:54] governance, not disagreements between

[2:03:56] departments. So, that's my two cents.

[2:03:59] So, I think everybody's had a chance to

[2:04:00] talk once. Does somebody else want to

[2:04:02] chat again?

[2:04:04] >> Good. I'd like to make a motion to pass

[2:04:06] ordinance number 137-10526.

[2:04:12] » There's a motion to pass it. Is there a

[2:04:16] second?

[2:04:16] >> I'll second. But can I I guess I want to

[2:04:19] talk again, but can I encourage

[2:04:22] Commissioner Baldridge and Colin to work

[2:04:24] together because I think that

[2:04:25] [clears throat] Colinin does bring a lot

[2:04:26] to table with recordkeeping and

[2:04:28] administrative functions. And I don't

[2:04:31] when I'm doing this I'm not expecting

[2:04:32] those functions to leave the oversight

[2:04:35] of Austin.

[2:04:35] >> So you there you go.

[2:04:37] >> Let me answer let me answer your first

[2:04:38] question. So your first question is um

[2:04:40] can you still talk about after emotions

[2:04:42] are made? This came up last time.

[2:04:43] Technically yes because you're supposed

[2:04:45] to have a a closed debate if you if

[2:04:48] somebody still wanted

[2:04:49] >> motion. Correct.

[2:04:50] >> You second the motion. So I don't know

[2:04:51] why you seconded. No, I I screwed.

[2:04:53] >> But technically, [laughter] if the two

[2:04:54] get seconded and you still had um a

[2:04:57] supermajority that still wants to talk

[2:04:58] about it,

[2:04:59] >> you can still discuss.

[2:04:59] >> You could still discuss it. So So you

[2:05:01] made the motion, you've second it

[2:05:03] >> and I want to thank you because that was

[2:05:05] a thing that I kind of got reinfor and

[2:05:08] it seemed like I did something wrong and

[2:05:10] I even I didn't.

[2:05:12] >> So let So let me explain. If you Okay,

[2:05:14] let me back up on this. If you look at

[2:05:16] Pure Robert's rules of order, Pure

[2:05:17] Robert rules of order do say that you

[2:05:19] make a motion and you make a second and

[2:05:22] then you debate the item. That is not

[2:05:24] our standard practice here. Our standard

[2:05:26] practice is that we debate the item,

[2:05:27] talk about it and stuff like that and

[2:05:29] then when action's ready, we make a

[2:05:30] motion. So that's why if somebody still

[2:05:32] makes a motion and the majority still

[2:05:34] wants to talk about it, you have that

[2:05:35] right. So there's a motion, there's a

[2:05:36] second, but if there's something that

[2:05:37] anybody else wants to add on, you

[2:05:39] absolutely can do that until a motion is

[2:05:40] made to close the debate. I will add I I

[2:05:43] appreciate your sentiments. Um all I'm

[2:05:46] saying is I will provide

[2:05:49] uh I will assist with the recordkeeping

[2:05:52] uh the tech technological aspect of it.

[2:05:55] But as far as actually

[2:05:58] uh enforcement,

[2:06:00] >> I'm I'm not part of that anymore. That's that's Rich's obligation. So I

[2:06:06] I'm you know uh if I if I have the power

[2:06:11] you know I I'll deal with the with the

[2:06:13] you know the political possible

[2:06:15] political push back but I'm removing

[2:06:18] myself from that um if if I don't have

[2:06:21] this power and that will be Rich's uh

[2:06:24] burden to bear but I will certainly help

[2:06:26] him actually get the stuff done.

[2:06:28] >> And that was kind of why I was like I

[2:06:29] don't know why you're com

[2:06:31] >> oh no

[2:06:31] >> against it because quite honestly it's a

[2:06:33] headache. So,

[2:06:34] >> well, it's yes, it's it's not something

[2:06:37] anybody should envy. Um, but I will

[2:06:39] certainly assist Rich Rich with um um

[2:06:43] the administrative portions of it, but

[2:06:45] I'm not actually going to and I

[2:06:47] appreciate that as [clears throat] well.

[2:06:48] >> Okay.

[2:06:48] >> And I'd like to do is work together.

[2:06:50] >> So, if we actually

[2:06:53] vote against this, you're still taking

[2:06:55] care of the finance. When it actually

[2:06:57] comes to an issue, Rich will take over.

[2:06:59] >> I'm I'm helping Rich with the paperwork.

[2:07:01] I'm not helping him with enforcement.

[2:07:03] That's that's that's

[2:07:05] >> as far as like recordeping accepting

[2:07:07] permit just like the plumbing in the

[2:07:08] water.

[2:07:09] >> The permits will still be issued here at

[2:07:10] city hall. That's not changing.

[2:07:13] >> That's what I was trying to get to.

[2:07:16] >> Okay. So, if we vote no, it stays the

[2:07:18] same.

[2:07:19] >> So, there's a motion to second, but is

[2:07:20] there any more I want to go to the roll

[2:07:22] call in case anybody has anything else

[2:07:23] they want to say about it yet?

[2:07:26] >> No, that's it. Okay. Again, I I I've

[2:07:30] read my long thing about it. um

[2:07:34] what it is. I guess people will will

[2:07:35] decide. I don't like the idea of

[2:07:37] separating comm uh uh department roles

[2:07:40] or anything like that. I don't see the

[2:07:41] value of it, but that's what it is.

[2:07:42] There's a if there's no other comments,

[2:07:44] there is a motion in a second. Can I get

[2:07:46] a roll call, please?

[2:07:46] >> Baldridge.

[2:07:47] >> Hi.

[2:07:48] >> Colin,

[2:07:48] >> no.

[2:07:50] >> McDermott.

[2:07:54] » No, stays the same.

[2:07:56] >> Moy,

[2:07:57] >> you still get it.

[2:07:58] >> And Curran,

[2:07:59] >> no.

[2:08:00] >> Okay. stays the way it is until further

[2:08:02] notice. You still

[2:08:04] >> All right. B. Discussion and possible

[2:08:06] action on Culver under Edhand Highway

[2:08:08] and installation of new pipe at Manhole

[2:08:10] Outlet. Mcderman. Okay. We discussed

[2:08:13] this at the last council meeting. Um we

[2:08:16] were asking if it's an emergency or not.

[2:08:20] Um

[2:08:22] I talked to Ross.

[2:08:24] You claim it is significant emergency.

[2:08:28] Um, we have uh I guess Dan left, didn't

[2:08:32] he?

[2:08:34] >> We have Poolhore with a bid. Correct.

[2:08:37] >> Correct.

[2:08:38] >> And um we'd like to get that approved.

[2:08:41] Do I need to uh

[2:08:44] >> Well, we'll go around. Balders, do you

[2:08:46] have anything?

[2:08:47] >> Okay.

[2:08:48] >> Uh I think we went through this not long

[2:08:50] ago. Uh something to go out with the

[2:08:51] pool. I I believe that the union

[2:08:53] probably

[2:08:55] should have their part in this. I think

[2:08:56] that we have a few few weeks at least. I

[2:08:59] have talked to Ross as well and uh I

[2:09:01] believe we have time to put this out to

[2:09:03] bid.

[2:09:04] >> Okay.

[2:09:06] >> I don't I don't know enough about it.

[2:09:07] >> Can you remind me I think I asked last

[2:09:09] meeting what is the threshold for bid?

[2:09:11] >> 20.

[2:09:11] Okay.

[2:09:13] >> 20.

[2:09:14] >> Um since I have you here, Ross, little

[2:09:17] bit of conflict for what I just heard

[2:09:18] between both of them. I and we haven't

[2:09:19] talked about this. is how how critical

[2:09:23] do we have the action to move

[2:09:24] >> that pipe has failed

[2:09:26] >> okay

[2:09:27] >> now whether or not it's going to affect

[2:09:29] the road tomorrow or in two months

[2:09:31] that's impossible to say

[2:09:33] >> but it's imper it's going to happen

[2:09:35] >> it has failed the pipe has failed so um

[2:09:37] there's potential for further collapse

[2:09:39] there's a potential for you know not

[2:09:41] getting the full section of flow through

[2:09:43] it so there's potential for flooding

[2:09:45] upstream repair I'm not saying that we

[2:09:48] call it to get here tonight

[2:09:50] >> I fix that. But if it is a bid process,

[2:09:52] you're talking potentially months to

[2:09:55] where now we're into the spring before

[2:09:57] this is fixed

[2:09:58] >> and having a lot of storm water going

[2:10:01] through that pipe. I I would worry about

[2:10:03] that. And so because it's not this isn't

[2:10:06] a project to add something new um

[2:10:08] because it's a want developing something

[2:10:12] I believe that because it has failed it

[2:10:14] has potential to get worse that time is of the essence okay where it's a repair it's not it's not a

[2:10:23] project to build something new or like I

[2:10:25] said develop something

[2:10:26] >> is to fix something that's broken

[2:10:28] >> the failure f further is imminent got it

[2:10:30] um

[2:10:31] >> my opinion means anything but It needs

[2:10:33] to be fixed as soon as

[2:10:34] >> Okay. Has anybody reached out to because

[2:10:37] again I didn't do any research on this

[2:10:38] but has anybody reached out to the

[2:10:40] county to see if they had anything that

[2:10:41] they would pay a portion of it?

[2:10:42] >> It is not a county. It is within the

[2:10:44] corporate limits of the city. So it is

[2:10:46] fully

[2:10:47] >> so we're fully responsible for it and

[2:10:48] it's imminent in that case. Um I don't

[2:10:51] know what everybody thinks. I mean I

[2:10:52] think we we've done our due diligence.

[2:10:53] We asked the questions.

[2:10:55] >> Um the question do we have an amount

[2:10:57] that needs to be discussed?

[2:11:00] >> Uh I can't remember what it was. It was

[2:11:01] over the It was over the uh 20,000.

[2:11:03] That's why it needs to get a vote.

[2:11:04] [clears throat]

[2:11:04] >> It was 35, but says that's on the high

[2:11:08] end. High in case

[2:11:10] >> I think I remember that.

[2:11:12] >> So time materials, right?

[2:11:14] >> So it be max of 35,000. Okay. All right.

[2:11:17] Well, I think we've asked the questions.

[2:11:19] We we found out that the thing is

[2:11:21] imminent. Um, I I agree that if if you

[2:11:23] would have said we probably got six

[2:11:24] months to a year, maybe we put it out to

[2:11:26] bid, but I think when things are like

[2:11:27] this, my thoughts are we probably should

[2:11:29] just go ahead and approve it and get it

[2:11:30] before we get a collapse on a road.

[2:11:33] >> All right. Anybody else have any open

[2:11:34] discussion?

[2:11:37] Right. If you want to make a motion to

[2:11:38] whatever. I make a motion that we uh

[2:11:43] go for a bid with Puhar on the um

[2:11:48] ED highway installation of a new pipe

[2:11:51] and manhole at the manhole outlet

[2:11:54] >> at a cost of a maximum of 35,000 maybe.

[2:11:58] Matt.

[2:11:58] >> Yeah. Just to clarify, approve the bid.

[2:12:00] Approve. Approve the bid of that. Okay,

[2:12:02] got it. Uh can I get a second?

[2:12:05] >> I'll second.

[2:12:06] >> Roll call, please.

[2:12:06] >> Waldridge.

[2:12:07] >> No.

[2:12:08] Colin.

[2:12:09] >> Hi,

[2:12:10] >> McDermott.

[2:12:11] >> I

[2:12:12] >> Moy I

[2:12:13] >> Curran

[2:12:13] >> I

[2:12:15] >> C discussion and possible action on

[2:12:18] purchase of speed trailer me message

[2:12:21] board Moy.

[2:12:22] >> Ah so we talked about this before. I

[2:12:24] have two quotes here but I'm now I'm

[2:12:27] wondering if I need to put it up fid or

[2:12:30] so there are two different companies to

[2:12:33] replace our speed trailer.

[2:12:35] The one that would be ideal would be the

[2:12:37] stalker radar radar. Um,

[2:12:41] it has the message sign if you recall

[2:12:43] that we could put more messages on there

[2:12:45] besides just

[2:12:47] slow down. We could customize it. But

[2:12:50] the really nice thing about it is that

[2:12:52] it does collect data. So if someone

[2:12:54] says, "People are speeding by my house."

[2:12:56] Now we have the ability to bring a speed

[2:12:57] trailer there and actually collect data.

[2:12:59] How many cars go by the house? How many

[2:13:01] cars are speeding?

[2:13:02] >> Too rich. So, the stalker is the better

[2:13:06] of the two. It's just over $21,000.

[2:13:10] Um, but there is an alternative quote.

[2:13:12] Is there three that you need for

[2:13:14] anything over 20,000?

[2:13:16] >> No.

[2:13:16] Okay.

[2:13:17] >> You're just supposed to advertise it for

[2:13:19] bids, Hillary. But, but you can agree as

[2:13:21] a council, twothirds of the council can

[2:13:23] agree to move forward without

[2:13:25] >> going through that procedure. So,

[2:13:28] >> Okay.

[2:13:30] You have anything

[2:13:37] We'll come back. Baldridge

[2:13:40] call.

[2:13:42] >> Um

[2:13:44] I mean this is replacing an existing

[2:13:46] one. Correct.

[2:13:47] >> If you recall, um I did bring up that

[2:13:49] the existing one is no longer working

[2:13:51] and it was the motherboard that had gone

[2:13:53] out and to replace it, it was ridiculous

[2:13:55] and not worth.

[2:13:56] >> We just have the one be

[2:13:58] >> Mike, we just have the one-speed

[2:14:00] trailer, right?

[2:14:02] that is not

[2:14:03] >> that's not working.

[2:14:05] >> We have one that's not working, one that

[2:14:06] is working.

[2:14:07] >> Do we have one that No.

[2:14:11] » Okay.

[2:14:11] >> Mhm. And the idea was that this could

[2:14:13] also be used in other departments like

[2:14:16] when we had the bridge closed.

[2:14:19] >> Board.

[2:14:20] >> Did you have anything in there?

[2:14:23] >> She's referring to anformational board.

[2:14:26] Mhm.

[2:14:29] » So, you're looking you want to get the 21,000, not the 1891.

[2:14:33] >> This is Yes.

[2:14:34] >> So, is there a better

[2:14:36] >> Well, it looks like with the um warning

[2:14:38] lights, which is the other bid. It does

[2:14:40] have a subscription service that you

[2:14:41] have to and it's a two-year requirement.

[2:14:43] >> Which one has a subscription service?

[2:14:45] >> Warning lights.

[2:14:46] >> The the expensive one or the cheap?

[2:14:47] >> The cheaper one.

[2:14:48] >> Oh, you got to pay. You're going to hit

[2:14:50] us on subscriptions anyways. Okay.

[2:14:53] >> All right. Was this something that was

[2:14:56] um requested as part of like the annual

[2:15:00] like uh appropriations

[2:15:02] >> if if they have money in their budget is

[2:15:03] what you're asking? Yes, there is money

[2:15:05] in the budget.

[2:15:05] >> Okay.

[2:15:06] >> Matt, do you have anything yet?

[2:15:09] >> No.

[2:15:09] >> Okay.

[2:15:09] >> That be for the stock.

[2:15:10] >> Anybody else? If nobody has anything

[2:15:11] else, if you want to make a motion for

[2:15:13] action. I want to make a motion to

[2:15:16] purchase the speed trailer from Stalker

[2:15:19] Radar at $21,167.

[2:15:24] » I'll second that motion. Roll call,

[2:15:25] please.

[2:15:27] >> Baldrich.

[2:15:27] >> Hi,

[2:15:28] >> Curran.

[2:15:29] >> Hi.

[2:15:30] >> Oh, sorry. Colin,

[2:15:31] >> I

[2:15:31] >> McDermott.

[2:15:32] >> Hi,

[2:15:33] >> Moy.

[2:15:33] >> Hi.

[2:15:35] >> Sorry.

[2:15:36] >> All right. Discussion and possible

[2:15:38] action to approve Gerard variance

[2:15:39] request. Cullinin.

[2:15:40] >> Uh Pat, you drew the ordinance for this.

[2:15:43] So

[2:15:44] >> correct. So you approved the plan

[2:15:47] commission's recommendation to grant the

[2:15:50] Gerard variance request at the last

[2:15:52] meeting. Uh it takes the maximum height

[2:15:55] of a building in that zoning district

[2:15:57] from 15 ft to 21 ft.

[2:16:00] >> 22 I think

[2:16:01] >> 22. Um and this ordinance formalizes

[2:16:04] that decision you made at the last

[2:16:06] meeting.

[2:16:07] >> Okay. Do you have anything else you want

[2:16:09] to add to that?

[2:16:10] >> Mo.

[2:16:11] >> Nope.

[2:16:13] nothing bridge. No,

[2:16:16] >> I think we already talked about it last

[2:16:17] time and we had a recommendation for it.

[2:16:19] So, if there's no other further

[2:16:22] discussion, if I can get a motion to

[2:16:23] approve the uh variance request.

[2:16:26] Um this is um I will motion that we

[2:16:31] approve ordinance number 13 05-01

[2:16:37] 0525

[2:16:39] an ordinance granting a request for

[2:16:41] variance filed by Samantha Gerard.

[2:16:44] >> Second

[2:16:44] >> roll call please. Baldridge.

[2:16:47] >> Hi.

[2:16:47] >> Col uh Curran Cullinin, sorry. Colin,

[2:16:50] >> I

[2:16:51] >> McDermott

[2:16:51] >> I

[2:16:52] >> Moy

[2:16:53] >> I

[2:16:53] >> Curran

[2:16:54] >> I

[2:16:55] >> E discussion and possible action to

[2:16:57] approve Fielder/Walter

[2:16:58] variance request. Cullinin.

[2:17:00] >> Pitch it back to Pat.

[2:17:02] >> Same thing. Um you considered the plan

[2:17:04] commission's recommendation at your last

[2:17:06] meeting and agreed to grant the variance

[2:17:09] request that the Fedler Walter parties

[2:17:12] had filed. This actually will formalize

[2:17:15] the approval of a 35 foot driveway uh

[2:17:18] which is in in excess of the 25 or 24

[2:17:22] foot standard in that zoning district.

[2:17:25] And the driveway already exists just to

[2:17:27] let you know. It was constructed by the

[2:17:30] contractor without knowing anything

[2:17:32] about it.

[2:17:34] >> It was just a mistake.

[2:17:37] [cough and clears throat]

[2:17:38] >> Okay.

[2:17:39] >> And you approved this at the last

[2:17:40] meeting again.

[2:17:41] >> I don't have anything. No. Well,

[2:17:43] McDermott

[2:17:45] Baldridge.

[2:17:46] >> No, I'm good. Same as before. Uh, no

[2:17:48] issues here. We get a motion to approve.

[2:17:50] >> I will motion that we approve ordinance

[2:17:51] number 136-0525,

[2:17:57] an ordinance granting a request for

[2:17:59] variance filed by Robert J. uh, Feedler

[2:18:02] and Karen Walter.

[2:18:03] >> Second.

[2:18:04] >> Roll call, please.

[2:18:05] >> Baldrich.

[2:18:06] >> Hi.

[2:18:06] >> Cullinin.

[2:18:06] >> Hi.

[2:18:07] >> McDermott.

[2:18:07] >> Hi.

[2:18:08] >> Moy.

[2:18:09] >> Hi.

[2:18:09] >> Currin.

[2:18:10] >> Hi.

[2:18:11] >> 10. New business a discussion and

[2:18:13] possible action to move the mayor's

[2:18:14] report to the beginning of the meeting

[2:18:15] moiled.

[2:18:17] >> All right. So this is why I'm bringing

[2:18:18] it here as discussion. Um I first want

[2:18:20] to address my um response to last

[2:18:23] meeting's mayor's report and it was not

[2:18:25] how I perceive that I want to handle

[2:18:28] myself, how I think I represent the city

[2:18:29] very well. It it did get under my skin.

[2:18:32] I did get upset. I had a very human

[2:18:34] emotional response. But that's not fair

[2:18:37] and that's not how I want to go forward.

[2:18:39] The reason I put the item on the agenda

[2:18:41] is not for retaliation or any purpose

[2:18:43] other than that, but to try and bring

[2:18:45] down the temperature on our meetings.

[2:18:47] Obviously, this isn't working. This is

[2:18:49] statistically we have the most fights

[2:18:52] towards the end of the meeting regarding

[2:18:53] the reports. So, I don't want to point

[2:18:56] fingers and say it's one person's

[2:18:58] problem or the other, but did you know,

[2:19:02] this may seem like I'm like all over the

[2:19:04] place, but did you know there's Robert

[2:19:05] rules of order debates? And I actually

[2:19:08] found this out that there is somebody in

[2:19:11] that I'm very close with that is

[2:19:13] actually a judge of it. And part of what

[2:19:16] I'm getting at is we can bring down the

[2:19:18] temperature of our meetings without

[2:19:19] getting ugly and nasty if we use a point

[2:19:21] of order correctly

[2:19:23] and all of that. So the reason I'm

[2:19:25] asking to move the mayor's report is

[2:19:27] that it's not uncommon that a mayor's

[2:19:29] report is first because he is the chair

[2:19:31] of the meeting. He does represent the

[2:19:33] council and it gives him the opportunity

[2:19:36] to make the opening remarks and set the

[2:19:38] tone for the rest of the meeting and

[2:19:39] announce the events that are happening

[2:19:41] publicly. First, um Galveston, Texas is

[2:19:45] one of the um cities that is mo most

[2:19:48] often um commented or looked at as a

[2:19:52] successful commissioner form of

[2:19:53] government and that is how they operate

[2:19:56] their meetings. So, that was why I

[2:19:59] wanted to bring it to you guys'

[2:20:00] attention and maybe talk about it,

[2:20:01] discuss it, see if we want to try

[2:20:03] something different. It's obviously

[2:20:04] reversible, but something that maybe we

[2:20:06] can try and work together to do better.

[2:20:09] >> Okay.

[2:20:10] >> I think it's a good idea. It worked

[2:20:12] today.

[2:20:15] >> It worked. You're fine.

[2:20:17] >> Right. Alders,

[2:20:18] >> I think at the beginning of meeting

[2:20:20] people are paying more attention than at

[2:20:21] any point in the meeting unless there's

[2:20:23] something crazy going on. So, I think

[2:20:25] that it would be beneficial to the city

[2:20:27] and the citizens to have the mayor give

[2:20:29] you an announcement at the very

[2:20:30] beginning of the meeting to tell you

[2:20:32] what's going on in the town.

[2:20:34] [clears throat]

[2:20:37] » I I'll start out by saying this. Um, at

[2:20:46] the last meeting, the mayor did take a

[2:20:48] bit of a a dig at the beginning of his

[2:20:50] mayor's report, and I think we should

[2:20:53] agree to not insert any politics

[2:20:56] whatsoever into our reports and just

[2:20:58] leave them totally nonpartisan. I think

[2:21:00] that's a good rule to follow and leave

[2:21:03] the fighting over, you know, whatever

[2:21:05] else for the actual agenda items. Um,

[2:21:09] but I I really don't see I Well, first

[2:21:14] of all, beyond that, I I also think that

[2:21:17] this is just kind of a and I appreciate

[2:21:20] what you had to say about it, but I just

[2:21:21] I think this is just a a wild thing to

[2:21:24] even be discussing. Um

[2:21:28] I

[2:21:30] it's as we kind of said with changing

[2:21:33] the ordinance um on uh on the inspectors

[2:21:39] um I just I think when we have all these

[2:21:43] changes just kind of off-the- cuff kind

[2:21:46] of you know just spur the moment kind of

[2:21:50] whatever maybe spur the moment is not

[2:21:51] the right phrase but it it just it just

[2:21:54] feels like we we make a lot of changes

[2:21:57] just to make changes because we feel

[2:22:00] like, you know, something in the city is

[2:22:01] not working the way that is supposed to

[2:22:04] or we don't like the way the city's

[2:22:05] being run and so we're just trying to

[2:22:07] force a round peg into a square hole.

[2:22:09] Like I I I don't know. I I really think

[2:22:12] the willingness to change things so

[2:22:14] freely, as I kind of said with the

[2:22:16] inspector's thing, is kind of just a a

[2:22:19] sign of dysfunction that it has it it

[2:22:22] started well before us. Um, and like I

[2:22:25] said, I I will admit freely my part uh

[2:22:29] in in getting uh some of that assumption

[2:22:32] into city hall, and I apologize for

[2:22:34] that. But I I really just I really don't

[2:22:37] think that this is even something that

[2:22:39] we should be discussing. And I I would

[2:22:41] also ask too, um if if we move the

[2:22:45] mayor's report to the beginning to set

[2:22:46] the tone and people listen most at the

[2:22:49] beginning, why wouldn't we also move the

[2:22:51] commissioner's reports to the beginning

[2:22:52] of the meeting? I I just I feel like

[2:22:55] that would be consistent.

[2:22:56] >> Do Do you want to ask me or is it

[2:22:57] >> Oh, I'm sorry. Yes.

[2:22:59] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[2:22:59] >> Well, I did research [clears throat]

[2:23:00] into that, too. So, it wasn't like it

[2:23:02] was like a thoughtless process. I um

[2:23:05] originally proposed this because the

[2:23:07] mayor does hold a different role than

[2:23:09] the rest of us. He is the chair. He

[2:23:11] doesn't have a direct department really

[2:23:13] like we do to offerformational updates.

[2:23:16] And partially, I was also being selfish

[2:23:17] because I like I do the think first

[2:23:19] responder every other meeting. And I I

[2:23:22] think that that's a good positive way to

[2:23:23] end. So if we have a positive report in

[2:23:25] the beginning and a positive report in

[2:23:27] the end, that was my intention. So

[2:23:31] and the reason why I put it on the

[2:23:33] agenda is because agenda changes have to

[2:23:35] be approved by council. We can't in the

[2:23:37] latter.

[2:23:38] >> No, I that is true. I just I wish it was

[2:23:40] wasn't something we were discussing. But

[2:23:42] >> is there anything else?

[2:23:43] >> No, that's it.

[2:23:44] >> Okay. So couple things. Um

[2:23:48] first of all um your explanation was

[2:23:52] very eloquent. I I do that that is a

[2:23:55] wonderful sentiment to be able to set

[2:23:56] the tone and it for the for the meeting.

[2:23:58] I I actually think that's a a wonderful

[2:24:00] idea. It really is. I'm not even joking

[2:24:02] about that. However, I mean this is on

[2:24:06] the agenda the the the meeting after you

[2:24:09] said I want it's you're on video saying

[2:24:12] I want the last word next meeting. Well,

[2:24:13] no, that I don't want you to have the

[2:24:15] final word, but that being said,

[2:24:17] >> I apologize.

[2:24:18] >> I know you did. I acknowledge that. But

[2:24:20] just so keep that in mind. So, I always

[2:24:21] take that with with a grain of salt with

[2:24:23] that. The other thing with this is uh

[2:24:25] they looked into it how far this went

[2:24:27] back. For all I know, it could have been

[2:24:28] all the way back to, you know, 1916 for

[2:24:31] all I know. Uh it's been this way for a

[2:24:33] while. I don't think there's a problem

[2:24:34] with having the mayor's report at the

[2:24:36] end. Um

[2:24:38] the irony is um if if you if you want

[2:24:41] the mayor's report up front just so I

[2:24:43] can talk about the general thing, set

[2:24:45] the tone and stuff like that. Um I think

[2:24:47] you forget that the council members can

[2:24:50] add things. So I can simply just put

[2:24:52] right after commissioner reports mayor's

[2:24:54] final comments if I wanted one. I have

[2:24:56] that right to do that. So, so if you're doing it for that reason, uh

[2:25:01] it's,

[2:25:02] you know, you're you're not going to win

[2:25:04] in that regards if that's what you're

[2:25:05] trying to do. Uh but if if it's for your

[2:25:08] legitimate reasons, um I I think that

[2:25:10] actually is a wonderful sentiment. And

[2:25:11] you are right. I mean, look at the time

[2:25:13] right now. It's 8:25 at night. The other

[2:25:15] thing I wanted to point out, you says,

[2:25:16] uh I think somebody was it that said I

[2:25:18] think see it worked really well for

[2:25:20] lowering the temperature today because I

[2:25:21] talked first.

[2:25:23] We didn't even start our council meeting

[2:25:25] for an hour and a half because we had to

[2:25:26] go into close session and and and handle

[2:25:28] some business that is not pleasurable.

[2:25:31] So I don't know if I agree with that that sentiment there. Um but again

[2:25:36] it's it's a wellthoughtout argument. So

[2:25:39] um

[2:25:39] >> I guess do we want to try it because

[2:25:42] this clearly what has been happening is

[2:25:44] not working. I think we all can kind of

[2:25:46] agree to that. The other argument, and I

[2:25:49] will say this with Commissioner

[2:25:50] Cullinin's comments, um I think

[2:25:52] sometimes forget people forget maybe

[2:25:54] some of the other previous commissioner

[2:25:56] points and uh reports in the past, have

[2:25:58] had some crazy things in there that I

[2:26:01] think that they've stated things that

[2:26:02] aren't true or whatever. I I just sit

[2:26:03] here and listen, let them listen and do

[2:26:05] whatever they say. So, I think when it

[2:26:08] comes to your individual report time,

[2:26:09] you are authorized to say whatever it is

[2:26:11] you want to say.

[2:26:13] >> Um this is what I believe. So, it's

[2:26:15] called freedom of speech. So, um, does

[2:26:17] anybody else say anything to that?

[2:26:19] >> Regardless of where this goes, I just

[2:26:20] want to I I do want to commend

[2:26:24] Commissioner Moy for for your apology

[2:26:27] about, you know, your response to that.

[2:26:29] I I I think we could all benefit from,

[2:26:33] you know, more apologies and, you know,

[2:26:36] whatever. And I think that took a lot of

[2:26:38] uh courage to to do that. So, I just

[2:26:41] want to give you a

[2:26:41] >> I wanted to apologize the hour after I

[2:26:43] felt really bad, but [laughter]

[2:26:46] >> All right. Any other comments on this

[2:26:47] topic?

[2:26:48] >> Well, I think it's a good idea. That

[2:26:49] way, you can bring up uh current events

[2:26:51] that are coming up right off the bat.

[2:26:54] >> As I said,

[2:26:55] >> pretty good.

[2:26:56] >> There's not terrible ideas, and you do

[2:26:57] get people's attention a little earlier

[2:26:58] in the thing. I just think the tradition

[2:27:00] has been

[2:27:01] >> I I I think it's a weird time to be

[2:27:03] asking to to move that right after we

[2:27:05] just had something that was strange

[2:27:07] about that. The timing is strange. I

[2:27:09] don't think there's a need a strong

[2:27:10] enough need to change tradition just

[2:27:12] yet, but the council can decide that.

[2:27:15] So, Anything else?

[2:27:16] >> I'll make a motion to move the mayor's

[2:27:18] report.

[2:27:18] >> Yeah,

[2:27:19] >> we're spec Can I ask where specifically

[2:27:21] do you want?

[2:27:21] >> I guess we need to have a little

[2:27:22] discussion.

[2:27:23] >> What does that What does that mean? Like

[2:27:24] right after before pledge allegiance

[2:27:26] >> we start talking.

[2:27:27] >> Should we do it after public comment?

[2:27:32] » You could do it before. It doesn't

[2:27:34] really

[2:27:35] >> be that's why I say be be specific was

[2:27:37] when you say beginning a meeting. I

[2:27:38] guess you could do it immediately.

[2:27:40] >> As soon as you can do it is after roll

[2:27:42] call,

[2:27:42] >> right? to verify that you have a

[2:27:44] legitimate

[2:27:44] >> and that's why I wanted

[2:27:46] >> I think so too.

[2:27:47] >> I think the place to put it would be

[2:27:49] between the pledge and the public

[2:27:50] comment.

[2:27:51] >> Okay.

[2:27:52] >> Keep the public comments about items on

[2:27:54] the agenda.

[2:27:55] >> So is your motion to move the mayor's

[2:27:56] report

[2:27:57] >> immediately after pledge of allegiance.

[2:27:59] >> Sure.

[2:27:59] >> And I'll second that. That's good.

[2:28:01] >> Okay. Roll call, please.

[2:28:03] >> Waldrich.

[2:28:03] >> Hi.

[2:28:04] >> Cullinin.

[2:28:05] >> No.

[2:28:05] >> McDermott.

[2:28:06] >> Hi.

[2:28:07] >> Moy.

[2:28:08] >> Hi.

[2:28:08] >> Currin.

[2:28:09] >> No. That's where I'll be giving the

[2:28:11] reports I guess.

[2:28:14] All right. B discussion and possible

[2:28:16] action on raffle license approval.

[2:28:18] Colin.

[2:28:19] >> Yeah. So, um I guess maybe Jen can speak

[2:28:22] more to this, but I did write down a few

[2:28:24] things. There's a few organizations that

[2:28:27] do raffles. The three that I saw were

[2:28:29] the American Legion, IVCC, and the

[2:28:30] Dickinson House Foundation. And um

[2:28:33] they're seeking raffle licenses for the

[2:28:35] upcoming year or for this year.

[2:28:36] >> It's just it's just an annual renewal

[2:28:38] that we do.

[2:28:39] >> We are not having that as well. I is we

[2:28:41] are

[2:28:43] >> yeah that's all that's been submitted

[2:28:45] okay so far

[2:28:46] >> it's sorry my apologies tag days are the

[2:28:49] ones that have a certain time frame that

[2:28:51] they're supposed to apply for

[2:28:52] >> my apologies

[2:28:54] >> there's no set specific time on this

[2:28:55] >> all right my bad all right go anything

[2:28:58] else uh Moy

[2:29:00] >> I I don't have anything to add

[2:29:03] >> I have nothing

[2:29:04] >> for neither do I think they're great uh

[2:29:07] great organizations and as more uh I

[2:29:09] don't know if there's ever and a

[2:29:10] nonprofit that we've denied the the

[2:29:13] ability to do a raffle license. So, I

[2:29:15] think it's great. Uh, if we can get a

[2:29:16] motion to approve the raffle licenses.

[2:29:18] >> I will motion that we approve um the

[2:29:20] attached uh raffle licenses.

[2:29:22] >> Second.

[2:29:22] >> Roll call, please.

[2:29:23] >> Baldrich.

[2:29:24] >> Hi.

[2:29:24] >> Cullen.

[2:29:25] >> Hi.

[2:29:25] >> McDermott.

[2:29:26] >> I.

[2:29:26] >> Moy.

[2:29:27] >> I.

[2:29:27] >> Currant.

[2:29:28] >> I.

[2:29:30] >> C. Discussion and possible action on

[2:29:32] creating an ordinance to place all prior

[2:29:34] executive session minutes in online

[2:29:35] commissioner files, giving easier access

[2:29:37] and review prior to voting.

[2:29:39] uh approval I think supposed to say.

[2:29:41] Baldridge

[2:29:43] >> uh as I stated earlier there's a number

[2:29:45] of uh past minutes that need to be

[2:29:48] reviewed and the only possibility we

[2:29:50] have to review them is during business

[2:29:52] hours which my opinion are like banker's

[2:29:54] hours. I don't have banker's hours and I

[2:29:57] am gone from 4 to 5:30 in the morning

[2:30:00] until after 5:00 pm every night. I don't

[2:30:03] really see a problem with putting these

[2:30:05] on our private server here so that we

[2:30:07] could read them at our availability

[2:30:08] instead of coming here and having to be

[2:30:10] here during that exact time.

[2:30:13] >> We'll go around the room. Colin,

[2:30:14] >> so I guess what I would say regarding

[2:30:17] this and then I have a potential

[2:30:19] compromise on this if if we need to do

[2:30:21] that because of the banker's hours. What

[2:30:23] I would say is um I'm not familiar of

[2:30:27] with any board, at least the one board

[2:30:29] I've served on, I guess. Uh I'm not

[2:30:31] familiar with any board um that actually

[2:30:34] gives members uh copies of the closed

[2:30:38] session minutes to just have and

[2:30:40] possess. Uh when I was on the library

[2:30:42] board um I mean I was a secretary um I

[2:30:46] produced the close session record or the

[2:30:48] close session minutes and then they were

[2:30:50] put away in a lock box. Uh and you could

[2:30:52] come in and you could review them at

[2:30:54] your discretion but that was really it.

[2:30:57] and and I really think that is best

[2:30:59] practice. Um, we've talked before about

[2:31:03] things um, we've talked before about

[2:31:06] things uh, being talked about outside of

[2:31:09] close session that shouldn't have been

[2:31:11] talked about outside of close session.

[2:31:13] Uh,

[2:31:14] that's what it is. is I mean uh but I

[2:31:19] even if we can't stop people necessarily

[2:31:21] from discussing things that happen in

[2:31:23] close session out of close session I I

[2:31:26] would say it's probably beneficial

[2:31:29] um if that person doesn't have like an

[2:31:32] actual official document to corroborate

[2:31:34] what they're telling somebody. Um so uh

[2:31:37] for that reason um I'm just against it

[2:31:42] and those reasons I'm against it. Um,

[2:31:44] and

[2:31:47] I I I really I'm really totally against

[2:31:50] it. But I mean, if this is going to end

[2:31:52] up being passed, what I would be more

[2:31:55] comfortable with is if if it's if if

[2:31:58] it's this set of minutes, the the

[2:32:00] minutes that are listed here, October

[2:32:01] 6th, October 20th, November 17th,

[2:32:03] December 1st, December 15th, executive

[2:32:05] sessions. Um, and I'll take the blame

[2:32:08] for October 6th, October 20th, November

[2:32:10] 17th, and December 1st. I didn't

[2:32:12] communicate clearly enough to Jen uh

[2:32:15] when Jen took the role of city clerk uh

[2:32:17] that we the kind of practice is that we

[2:32:20] review those at the following meeting

[2:32:22] and then we approve them. That's my

[2:32:24] fault. I'll own up to that. Um but what

[2:32:27] I would suggest is if we are going to do

[2:32:30] this, I would suggest that we do it for

[2:32:32] just this set of minutes and then moving

[2:32:34] forward we don't do it at all and it's

[2:32:36] still paper copies in the office given

[2:32:39] to you before a council meeting for you

[2:32:41] to read. I just I don't think this is I

[2:32:43] don't think it's a good idea to have

[2:32:44] these uh circling out there. That's it.

[2:32:48] >> Okay. Mo

[2:32:49] >> I can understand your confidential

[2:32:50] [clears throat] issues here with some of

[2:32:52] the topics, but

[2:32:55] >> I'm trying I'm trying to rack my brain

[2:32:57] as something as an alternative. I mean,

[2:33:00] password protecting it probably wouldn't

[2:33:02] prevent someone from screenshotting it,

[2:33:03] but um if someone's that bent on getting

[2:33:07] the information out there,

[2:33:09] >> that's going to happen with their mouth.

[2:33:11] I would think

[2:33:14] >> I'm just I'm I'm interested to see if

[2:33:17] there's some kind of other

[2:33:19] ways to do this besides

[2:33:24] » I feel if somebody wants it out there,

[2:33:26] they're going to get it out there one

[2:33:27] way or the other.

[2:33:28] Um,

[2:33:30] I don't know if there's any other way to

[2:33:32] do it.

[2:33:34] >> Okay. Um, so the only part of this I

[2:33:38] think has has value is the discussion

[2:33:40] part. Uh, everything else with the

[2:33:42] action of what to do, I think it is so

[2:33:44] dangerous I'm surprised it's even on the

[2:33:46] agenda. I'll echo everything um,

[2:33:49] Commissioner Cullen said. I've never

[2:33:51] served on another board that that would

[2:33:53] allow something like that. Whether it be

[2:33:55] school board, IVRD, we we we don't do

[2:33:58] that. There's just Let me explain what

[2:34:01] closed session minutes are best used

[2:34:03] for. One, they make a record of the

[2:34:05] meeting. Great. That doesn't have any

[2:34:08] value to the public except for usually

[2:34:11] years later. Every six months, we

[2:34:12] determine which ones can be released.

[2:34:14] Matter of fact, next meeting we're going

[2:34:15] to do that for all of our past ones,

[2:34:17] right? The only ones that get released

[2:34:19] are ones that issues are completely

[2:34:22] no longer anything anything have a

[2:34:25] factor anymore. Right? So they don't

[2:34:27] really play a factor into the public for

[2:34:29] that. The only thing they play a factor

[2:34:30] to the public is that it is a thing of

[2:34:32] uh um

[2:34:35] being being

[2:34:37] available to everybody that they can see

[2:34:39] after the fact. So usually any relevant

[2:34:42] information is is from months to years

[2:34:44] ago. So they don't have any value that

[2:34:46] way. The other value that they have is

[2:34:48] sometimes there's things that we talk

[2:34:49] about in close session that are

[2:34:51] relatively detailed and complicated,

[2:34:53] especially if there's a negotiation deal

[2:34:54] that's gone back and forth like 10 times

[2:34:56] and and then there's there's times that

[2:34:58] we've actually had to go to the minutes

[2:34:59] to say, "Hey, our first proposal that we

[2:35:02] did with this back seven months ago,

[2:35:04] what what did we offer?" So, we we've

[2:35:06] had to go to the close session minutes

[2:35:07] for that. Those are the value points of

[2:35:10] close session minutes. The negative

[2:35:13] thing if the if the some of these

[2:35:15] minutes were to get out into the public

[2:35:16] space, everything that we're talking

[2:35:17] about here right now, it's all online

[2:35:19] already. Our open session minutes

[2:35:21] [snorts] really don't mean anything

[2:35:22] because people could watch the video

[2:35:23] tomorrow, today, whatever.

[2:35:26] I'll give you an example. We are in

[2:35:28] union negotiations right now, contract

[2:35:30] negotiations.

[2:35:31] If the things that we talked about in

[2:35:33] our close session about how we're

[2:35:35] strategizing for, we're talking about,

[2:35:37] we're trying to negotiate and stuff like

[2:35:38] that. If that were to fall into the

[2:35:40] wrong hands,

[2:35:42] that would have a serious detrimental

[2:35:44] effect to the taxpayers's resources,

[2:35:46] right? I mean, our job not only I mean,

[2:35:49] we all want to make sure our employees

[2:35:50] are paid well, taken care of well, but

[2:35:52] we do have a a financial responsibility

[2:35:54] to look after the taxpayer dollar. And

[2:35:56] if those if you put something in an

[2:35:59] online format, you are just opening up a

[2:36:01] can of worms. So to me, it cannot be an

[2:36:04] option. Close session minutes always

[2:36:07] have to be controlled. End of end of

[2:36:09] discussion. To me, there's this

[2:36:11] shouldn't even be a discussion. What

[2:36:13] there should be a discussion for is if

[2:36:15] we have council members that cannot find

[2:36:17] an adequate time to be able to come in

[2:36:19] to review them in person, that is a

[2:36:21] problem. We have to find a way to be

[2:36:23] able to to to to work around that.

[2:36:25] Right. I don't know what that answer is.

[2:36:27] I do think that somebody should be able

[2:36:29] to find time within the next couple

[2:36:30] weeks, maybe maybe if they any delay

[2:36:32] next couple months to find some time to

[2:36:34] come into this office or building during

[2:36:36] the working hours. If that can't be, we

[2:36:39] can talk about other options. I don't

[2:36:40] know what that's going to be. I don't

[2:36:41] know if that means putting it on a

[2:36:43] private server in the in the room there

[2:36:45] that's specially password protected to

[2:36:47] look at. I I don't know what the answer

[2:36:49] is. We can definitely discuss that. We

[2:36:51] can discuss that. But to me, the option

[2:36:54] cannot be for close session minutes to

[2:36:56] ever be on an online location to where

[2:36:59] somebody could take them out of city

[2:37:01] hall. I I don't I don't even know, Pat,

[2:37:03] do you have any legal thought process on

[2:37:05] that?

[2:37:06] >> This would completely violate best

[2:37:08] practices. I I just don't think it's

[2:37:10] something you should do. You're inviting

[2:37:12] trouble. It's way too accessible to the

[2:37:15] general public if somebody can get into

[2:37:17] somebody's computer and take a look at

[2:37:19] these. No, I just don't think this is a

[2:37:22] good idea.

[2:37:22] >> And I'm not talking about the things

[2:37:23] >> I would definitely recommend against.

[2:37:25] >> Yeah, I'm not talking about the things

[2:37:26] that we might squabble about and people

[2:37:27] just want to hear a gossip aspect. I'm

[2:37:29] talking about the things that have true

[2:37:31] financial liability to the city if

[2:37:33] people if if it was available to the

[2:37:35] public. We can't have that. I think the

[2:37:37] idea of having I mean if if the time

[2:37:39] making the time or having the time

[2:37:42] period is an issue if we could have some

[2:37:44] sort of and I'm sure there's a way to do

[2:37:46] it to severely lock down a computer and

[2:37:49] require a user ID and password to access

[2:37:52] that computer so we can audit who who

[2:37:55] logs into that computer in city hall. I

[2:37:57] think that's a good idea.

[2:37:58] >> Well, if we're already coming to city

[2:37:59] hall then

[2:38:01] >> yeah but everybody has a key. Everybody

[2:38:03] has a key because then we know then we

[2:38:06] know that that person only accessed them

[2:38:08] at city hall and we know when who's

[2:38:11] accessing them.

[2:38:11] >> Believe that's what I asked you guys the

[2:38:13] last time when we initially started this

[2:38:15] conversation. You said it was impossible

[2:38:16] or something.

[2:38:17] >> Oh, I don't an option then.

[2:38:19] >> I I I don't want to say anything's ever

[2:38:21] impossible. I just I don't know of a

[2:38:22] proper way because like you said,

[2:38:24] somebody could take a screenshot of it

[2:38:25] and Mac, I don't know if I agree with

[2:38:26] that. I [clears throat] I agree with

[2:38:28] what Cullinin said. There's a difference

[2:38:30] because again, I'm not going to blame

[2:38:32] anybody, but we've had problems in the

[2:38:34] past where there's been certain items

[2:38:36] that have been talked about in a very

[2:38:37] secure location that were very important

[2:38:39] and they have gotten out of here. That's

[2:38:41] caused that's caused problems.

[2:38:43] >> I I can't hold uh a council member

[2:38:47] liable for I I I can't I can't charge

[2:38:49] them with anything. I can't if they do

[2:38:51] that.

[2:38:51] >> But there is something to say if you

[2:38:53] have the document to show with it.

[2:38:54] There's one thing about hearsay and

[2:38:56] there's another thing with saying,

[2:38:57] "Yeah, no, look, I got the minutes right

[2:38:58] here. There's what it said."

[2:39:00] >> Rich, I think what I was talking about

[2:39:01] is if they were placed on the internet

[2:39:02] in a folder or something like that. Like

[2:39:04] if they're on the internet, there's

[2:39:06] really very little way that we could

[2:39:08] control them because you could just

[2:39:10] anybody could just say, "Hey, look at

[2:39:11] this." You know, whatever. But if but if

[2:39:14] we required that somebody be physically

[2:39:16] in city hall and somebody log in using a

[2:39:20] user ID and password that specifically

[2:39:22] only goes to them and that computer

[2:39:24] can't upload anything to the internet. I mean I think that would be an

[2:39:28] agreeable solution.

[2:39:29] >> It's better. I still don't think it's I

[2:39:31] mean I mean if you can't trust somebody

[2:39:32] you can't trust them. They could take

[2:39:34] out maybe have a pair of medic glasses

[2:39:36] on and take pictures of the camera of

[2:39:37] that television. Yeah, you could do that

[2:39:39] >> to uh if somebody wants to come in here

[2:39:41] and take information and they're just

[2:39:43] that much of a bad person.

[2:39:44] >> Yeah, that is true. That is a fair

[2:39:45] point.

[2:39:46] >> Your charm never ceases to amaze me.

[2:39:48] >> I'm sorry. Would it be possible that we

[2:39:50] could do where um if you can't make it

[2:39:53] say, "Hey, would you be possible for me

[2:39:55] to come in on a Saturday?" I would not

[2:39:57] be against that coming in for a couple

[2:39:58] hours so somebody could come in and and

[2:40:00] review. I I don't have a problem with

[2:40:02] that.

[2:40:02] >> I think something like that is makes

[2:40:04] more sense because the the thing that's

[2:40:05] crazy about executive session, look at

[2:40:07] this. We we haven't approved the ones

[2:40:09] from the 6th, the 20th, the 17th. We

[2:40:11] have like five of them here that haven't

[2:40:12] been approved, it doesn't affect

[2:40:13] anything because they're not released to

[2:40:15] the public until six months after. So to

[2:40:17] me, if they have to get delayed,

[2:40:19] executive session doesn't doesn't mean

[2:40:21] that much to me. As I as I said, the

[2:40:23] biggest value of them is transparency

[2:40:25] after the fact. And if we need to review

[2:40:28] something because something happened so

[2:40:30] many months ago that we're not aware of.

[2:40:31] I I just don't think I I to me it's not

[2:40:34] even a discussion to have in an online

[2:40:37] open access thing. It cannot be if

[2:40:40] there's a way to lock it down or like I

[2:40:42] said if maybe only if they can only be

[2:40:44] here once a month even if they got to be

[2:40:45] on the weekend or something like that.

[2:40:47] We got to make special accommodations

[2:40:48] for that. We do need to make

[2:40:50] accommodations for the council members

[2:40:51] because people have lives and jobs and

[2:40:53] responsibilities. Um but so I I think

[2:40:57] the discussion should continue and

[2:40:58] trying to find a more appropriate way to accommodate that.

[2:41:03] >> Can I make a recommendation or an ask?

[2:41:07] I'm not directing you what to do, but

[2:41:09] tech guru Austin Cullen, can you look

[2:41:11] into some alternative solutions and have

[2:41:13] them prepared by the next meeting so

[2:41:15] this just doesn't keep going? I I can I think just off the cuff I I can and I

[2:41:21] will, but I think off the cuff, if I had

[2:41:25] to guess, the best solution would

[2:41:27] probably be what I suggested, which is

[2:41:29] having a password protected uh computer.

[2:41:32] Um you know, maybe maybe you put it in a

[2:41:35] place that is recorded or something like

[2:41:37] that where you know, you can see the

[2:41:39] person accessing it, whatever. But I

[2:41:40] really think that's going to be your

[2:41:42] only option. Um but I can research it.

[2:41:44] Could you look into that little Mission

[2:41:46] Impossible tape that says it's

[2:41:47] self-destruct after?

[2:41:49] >> Yeah, I can look into it.

[2:41:50] >> That's a reference, but actually

[2:41:52] >> I have to get into contact with

[2:41:53] connecting point anyway. So,

[2:41:55] >> okay. So,

[2:41:56] >> do I need to make a motion to do

[2:41:58] anything or are we just going to leave

[2:42:00] it open-ended?

[2:42:01] >> I mean, the only action on here is if

[2:42:03] you're going to do the action that that

[2:42:05] basically Baldridge recommended or

[2:42:07] whatever. I think what we should do is

[2:42:09] continue the discussion to look for a

[2:42:11] more appropriate way to solve this

[2:42:13] without putting the city in peril.

[2:42:15] >> I know that sounds overly dramatic, but

[2:42:17] I do truly believe if some of these

[2:42:20] executive session minutes were to get

[2:42:21] out there there's a true financial I

[2:42:24] don't think Pat, you wouldn't even argue

[2:42:26] with what I'm saying, right? There's a

[2:42:27] true financial liability.

[2:42:28] >> A huge financial liability.

[2:42:30] >> Yeah. I I would definitely not recommend

[2:42:32] you put these online and available to

[2:42:34] look at from afar. No.

[2:42:36] >> Good. Okay. So, I would that's what I

[2:42:38] would recommend. Uh we continue to look

[2:42:40] at alternative solutions that that can

[2:42:43] cater to the council members a little

[2:42:44] better.

[2:42:45] >> Yeah.

[2:42:46] >> Because right now, again, we got five of

[2:42:48] them that aren't approved.

[2:42:50] >> The world ain't burning down,

[2:42:51] >> but we didn't have them until recently.

[2:42:54] >> Say again,

[2:42:54] >> they haven't been adding up on there.

[2:42:56] Those were all put together pretty much

[2:42:59] at the same time, right? All

[2:43:00] >> one

[2:43:02] >> wasn't a

[2:43:03] >> I'll be honest. I look at the executive

[2:43:04] [clears throat] session before we're

[2:43:06] going to release them because that's

[2:43:07] when the important time is.

[2:43:08] >> Yeah. No, everything um all of them

[2:43:11] minus uh the last one on there which was

[2:43:14] what December 15th or whatever. Um yeah,

[2:43:16] they're they're I guess you could say.

[2:43:20] >> Yeah, they've accured over time, but I

[2:43:21] will take responsibility for that. I I

[2:43:23] didn't communicate clearly enough the

[2:43:24] expectation to our new city clerk that

[2:43:27] that's what we do after each meeting.

[2:43:29] So,

[2:43:29] >> I'm not looking to place blame. I'm only

[2:43:31] looking for solution areas to

[2:43:33] >> clear that up and be able to move on.

[2:43:35] Okay.

[2:43:36] >> So, is the discussion what I'm hearing

[2:43:37] is that we're going to look for more

[2:43:39] alternative solutions.

[2:43:40] >> I make a motion that we look into more

[2:43:42] alternatives

[2:43:43] >> and because we all agree that we do have

[2:43:46] to make things available at

[2:43:47] commissioners schedules when they're

[2:43:49] available.

[2:43:50] >> Right. Okay. All right. Uh if there's if

[2:43:53] there's no other discussion, uh we'll

[2:43:55] move on. D discussion on central

[2:43:58] locations. where city employees original

[2:44:01] records and certifications are

[2:44:03] maintained current. All right. So, I put

[2:44:05] this on here. I know I feel like I

[2:44:07] shouldn't have even had to put it on

[2:44:08] here, but I just want to make sure that

[2:44:09] this is clear because there has been

[2:44:10] some issues lately. Um, it's been

[2:44:13] brought to my attention that not all

[2:44:15] records are are being maintained at city

[2:44:17] hall. My understanding is, and I think

[2:44:19] our chief of police already walked off

[2:44:21] is over there. There's only two two Hey,

[2:44:24] how are you? Thanks, Chief. There's only

[2:44:25] two things that uh two locations where

[2:44:28] employee records are stored. Uh one is

[2:44:30] city hall here. Their employee record

[2:44:32] has everything in it. Their pay records,

[2:44:34] their their uh discipline reports,

[2:44:38] evaluations, certifications,

[2:44:40] qualifications, everything. The only one

[2:44:42] that's a little different is police

[2:44:43] because police are under a very special

[2:44:45] program. How they do their evaluation

[2:44:47] systems and stuff like that. Even though

[2:44:48] their pay records might be down here,

[2:44:50] their evaluation cycle, all that stuff

[2:44:52] is under a lock and key at the police

[2:44:53] department. So, I don't think there's an

[2:44:56] issue if you have copies locally at the

[2:44:59] different departments, but there needs

[2:45:00] to be the the original everything copy

[2:45:03] needs to be maintained here at city

[2:45:05] hall. So, I thought I'd go around the

[2:45:06] room and see if somebody thinks

[2:45:08] different than that understanding. Um,

[2:45:11] Colin,

[2:45:11] >> I I would agree with your assessment on

[2:45:14] that.

[2:45:14] >> Okay. To reiterate, you're saying with

[2:45:17] the exception of just the police,

[2:45:18] >> the police department,

[2:45:19] >> do you do realize like fire has monthly

[2:45:23] training certific

[2:45:26] but I don't know I don't know if we keep

[2:45:28] uh fire people as like employee records.

[2:45:30] So we don't have employee records on

[2:45:32] them. So

[2:45:32] >> and and with ambulance like their

[2:45:34] paramedics license and stuff

[2:45:35] [clears throat] like that since that's

[2:45:36] something that's transferable.

[2:45:38] >> I would say the full-time employees

[2:45:40] paramedics we should because we have a

[2:45:42] file on them here. We probably need to

[2:45:43] have their copies of everything here,

[2:45:45] but everybody else if they're not

[2:45:47] full-time employees.

[2:45:48] >> I haven't had an opportunity because

[2:45:49] this was added as one of the last agenda

[2:45:51] items, but I haven't I had an

[2:45:53] opportunity to talk about it with

[2:45:54] Margus. I have not had an opportunity to

[2:45:56] talk with Pete or

[2:45:57] >> Okay. Well, again, this this is an

[2:45:59] action. This is just a discussion.

[2:46:00] Right.

[2:46:00] >> So, Right. So, but you agree with

[2:46:01] >> So, I'm not sure what the ambulance is

[2:46:04] doing right now.

[2:46:05] >> Okay. Well, if you'd like to check on

[2:46:07] that because my thought process is the

[2:46:09] full-time employee stuff, everything

[2:46:11] would be kept here,

[2:46:12] >> but if they but yeah, if you got a whole

[2:46:14] bunch of part-time employees and stuff

[2:46:15] like that, we don't keep a record for

[2:46:17] them.

[2:46:18] >> Okay, McDermott,

[2:46:20] >> I agree with Mo.

[2:46:22] >> Okay, Baldridge.

[2:46:24] >> I don't know what records you're looking

[2:46:28] for. My my understanding is that the uh

[2:46:32] personnel records and everything are

[2:46:33] already kept in the city hall's offices

[2:46:35] here. Um I I kind of think I know what

[2:46:38] you're talking about. And those are some

[2:46:39] uh apprenticeship records and those are

[2:46:42] kept with the apprenticeship school.

[2:46:45] >> So we didn't the city of Ogby has ever

[2:46:48] had the acquired.

[2:46:49] >> Well, I thought I thought when we got

[2:46:50] the certifications, we kept them here. I

[2:46:52] mean, for I I think of it is for

[2:46:54] anything like liability purpose. Like

[2:46:56] for example, Dan's probably I don't even

[2:46:58] know if Dan's still in the room anymore.

[2:46:59] Uh they have some different

[2:47:00] certifications that they have for like

[2:47:02] spraying [clears throat]

[2:47:02] uh I can't remember if it's pest control

[2:47:05] or weed control or something like that,

[2:47:07] but we keep those kinds of things down

[2:47:08] there because we need to maintain them.

[2:47:10] We might get a call from the insurance

[2:47:11] thing that says, "Hey, can you update

[2:47:13] us?" We don't have to go look for it or

[2:47:15] hunt for it. We have it at city hall for

[2:47:17] those records. So, um same with any

[2:47:19] certification. The moment we get them,

[2:47:22] my thought process is they should not be

[2:47:25] stuck in a drawer somewhere at a

[2:47:27] department level. If they want to keep a

[2:47:29] copy there, that's fine. But the

[2:47:31] original everything needs to be at city

[2:47:32] hall so we don't have a problem with an

[2:47:34] employee coming down and saying, "Hey,

[2:47:35] I'd like to look in my employee file and

[2:47:37] get my whatever." And we go, we don't

[2:47:39] have it. It's that's maintained

[2:47:41] somewhere else. I I we shouldn't have

[2:47:44] those conversations.

[2:47:46] Just want to make sure everybody's under

[2:47:47] that same mentality. if there's still

[2:47:48] some discussion. I

[2:47:49] >> I think I need to just discuss because

[2:47:51] they do have significant amount of

[2:47:53] certified part-time

[2:47:55] >> and I think for liability purposes, I'm

[2:47:57] sure their certification is somewhere on

[2:47:59] file. I don't know what their record

[2:48:01] management system is for the ambulance.

[2:48:03] >> Okay. And and I'm not sure either. I

[2:48:04] only talked to the chief about it just

[2:48:05] to make sure I I knew that they had a

[2:48:07] special how they did their evaluation

[2:48:09] stuff. So, okay. So, we'll look into

[2:48:11] that one, but as far as everybody else,

[2:48:12] everybody's on board with the idea uh

[2:48:14] that city hall is where they keep that

[2:48:16] stuff. Okay. Uh, is there anything else

[2:48:18] on that topic?

[2:48:20] All right, moving on. Number 11, public

[2:48:23] comment on any topic.

[2:48:29] » We got a long wait to get here.

[2:48:34] » Some of you are aware, I'm Kathy Nova,

[2:48:36] and some of you are aware that Crockett

[2:48:38] Street has a horrible turnaround.

[2:48:41] um car. It's a dead end street and it's

[2:48:42] a turnaround at the end and the big

[2:48:46] trucks like UPS and F Express have

[2:48:48] difficulty. But today I witnessed the

[2:48:51] ambulance. They picked someone up. I

[2:48:53] don't know if they were in the car. They

[2:48:55] were down on my street, but they went

[2:48:56] down and they could not turn around.

[2:48:59] They went back and forth, back and

[2:49:00] forth. Finally, they decided they just

[2:49:01] would back out of the street. So, I

[2:49:05] think the city needs to take a look at

[2:49:06] see if they can widen that somehow so

[2:49:08] the bigger trucks can get turned around.

[2:49:10] >> The interesting thing is I remember us

[2:49:12] talking about this like six, seven years

[2:49:14] ago. And I think at the time the

[2:49:16] question was, can we put a sign up that

[2:49:18] says no big truck because you don't want

[2:49:19] them have to turn around but an

[2:49:20] ambulance obviously they got to get down

[2:49:22] there. So that might change up the

[2:49:23] conversation a bit.

[2:49:24] >> Yeah. He tried using my neighbor's

[2:49:26] driveway runs and couldn't get turned

[2:49:28] around and finally he just backed up and

[2:49:30] he backed all the way down the street.

[2:49:32] So that That's That's serious.

[2:49:34] >> It ends in a circle thing, doesn't it?

[2:49:36] >> It's not much of one.

[2:49:37] >> It's not much of a circle. And if you

[2:49:39] need to if I have property, I need to

[2:49:41] donate some property to get that larger.

[2:49:44] It's just It's an issue. I know my

[2:49:47] neighbor's mailbox was knocked down by

[2:49:48] one of the big trucks. I put cones in my

[2:49:51] driveway because I invested a lot of

[2:49:53] money in concrete and I had a UPS truck

[2:49:56] back up and the curb. I had another guy

[2:49:59] with a gooseeneck [clears throat] um

[2:50:01] hitch drive in and scratch the, you

[2:50:04] know, the concrete. So, I'm trying to

[2:50:06] protect my driveway because that's the

[2:50:08] first place that they think about

[2:50:09] turning around is. But, um, when I saw

[2:50:12] the ambulance today, I thought this has

[2:50:14] to be addressed.

[2:50:15] >> I appreciate that.

[2:50:16] >> Okay.

[2:50:17] >> Thank you.

[2:50:19] >> Any other public comment on any topic?

[2:50:23] >> Number 12, commissioner reports.

[2:50:25] Commissioner Cullin.

[2:50:26] >> Oh, boy. Let me find it. Uh,

[2:50:31] okay. Uh so that portal that I've been

[2:50:34] talking about uh the new we're replacing

[2:50:38] uh payment service network um this is I believe part of the civic systems it's

[2:50:44] an extension of civic systems um which

[2:50:47] is we made a

[2:50:49] year and some change ago made a a large

[2:50:52] purchase for a lot of our uh bookkeeping

[2:50:55] software blah blah blah and this is part

[2:50:56] of it. Um the portal rolled out Friday

[2:50:59] of last week. I was informed today that

[2:51:01] we have 55 people signed up uh for the

[2:51:04] portal, which is actually very good, I

[2:51:07] think, for Friday of last week. I'm

[2:51:09] pretty pleased. Um I want to remind

[2:51:12] residents that signing up uh for online

[2:51:15] payments uh made via AC is fee free. Um

[2:51:20] however, cards at this point in time

[2:51:23] will incur a charge of uh 3.5%.

[2:51:26] So, wanted to remind uh people of that.

[2:51:30] I also, speaking of the new year, um on

[2:51:33] our website, city council's page has

[2:51:35] been updated uh for the new year. So, it

[2:51:38] shows the 2016 calendar, so forth and so

[2:51:40] on. What you'll notice is that videos

[2:51:42] are no longer linked there if you ever

[2:51:44] go there to pull up videos. Um but they

[2:51:47] are still on our official YouTube

[2:51:49] channel. All of this year's videos, uh

[2:51:52] moving forward will be listed on that

[2:51:55] page.

[2:51:56] Um, uh, other kind of administrative

[2:51:59] housekeeping things. I pulled this off

[2:52:01] the, uh, off the newsletter. So, uh,

[2:52:05] golf cart stickers expired as of, uh,

[2:52:07] 1231, uh, December 31st. Uh, you should

[2:52:11] have received a reminder. If you have

[2:52:12] any questions, please contact city hall.

[2:52:15] And the last thing I was kind of showing

[2:52:17] off, I'm actually genuinely like I I'm

[2:52:20] very

[2:52:22] I don't know like that that kind of

[2:52:23] techy stuff I was showing earlier

[2:52:25] actually really for whatever reason like

[2:52:28] it gets me like really excited. Like I

[2:52:30] it's it's very like I don't know. It's

[2:52:32] like the same way I get excited when I

[2:52:34] go to Staples. Like I I'm kind of kind

[2:52:36] of a loser in that sense. But uh that

[2:52:39] stuff really does excite me. So

[2:52:40] Microsoft 365 working on that. I talked

[2:52:43] about the building inspections things.

[2:52:46] Um I also want to keep other records uh

[2:52:48] on that as well so they're accessible to

[2:52:50] everybody so you know we're holding each

[2:52:53] other accountable uh such as rental

[2:52:55] inspections and other things. Um I also

[2:52:59] talked about this before but we got a

[2:53:00] bit sidetracked. I really want to

[2:53:03] prioritize um digitizing all of our

[2:53:06] forms. obviously offering a physical

[2:53:08] copy, but trying to just to digitize,

[2:53:11] offer a digital option for as much as we

[2:53:13] do and push people towards that. Um, and

[2:53:16] so forms specifically, we were talking

[2:53:18] about like building permit forms, our

[2:53:21] new civic systems thing, uh, should be

[2:53:24] able to handle those. Uh, but other

[2:53:26] forms, even something as, you know, uh,

[2:53:29] frivolous as a Dickinson house request

[2:53:31] form, I would love there to be an online

[2:53:33] option. um that again everything's

[2:53:36] automated, sends a request, request is

[2:53:39] reviewed, sends a confirmation email. I

[2:53:41] would love that um because it just makes

[2:53:44] everything so much more efficient and so

[2:53:46] much more streamlined. Uh and so I I

[2:53:50] feel like a loser in my room at night uh

[2:53:52] playing around with Microsoft Power

[2:53:54] Automate, but I'm actually kind of

[2:53:55] having a little bit of fun with it. So

[2:53:58] um I look forward to seeing uh what it

[2:54:00] can do once we get Microsoft totally

[2:54:02] rolled up. So, uh, that's all I have for

[2:54:04] tonight.

[2:54:04] >> Thank you. Wish you well.

[2:54:06] >> Okay. For the fire department, they had

[2:54:07] 14 calls total, which included five

[2:54:10] vehicle accidents, two activated alarms,

[2:54:12] two life assist, one auto aid, one

[2:54:15] police assist, one structure fire, one

[2:54:17] hazmat call, one wire down. So, for

[2:54:20] 2025, there were a total of 224 calls

[2:54:23] that the fire department responded to.

[2:54:25] And I just want to point out that this

[2:54:27] is a 16% increase from 2024. So, they

[2:54:31] are getting more calls. So, if you've

[2:54:33] ever felt the call to action, please

[2:54:35] consider the fire department

[2:54:36] [clears throat] and joining them.

[2:54:38] Applications can be picked up there.

[2:54:41] Um, and then I I have the ambulance

[2:54:43] report as well, which has 63 total

[2:54:46] calls, five transfers, one ALS

[2:54:48] intercept, two mutual aids, 55 all city

[2:54:52] and district calls encompassing. And I

[2:54:54] did want to take a moment because the

[2:54:56] district has asked us to start breaking

[2:54:58] out these calls. They want to know how

[2:55:00] many are happening. In November, they

[2:55:02] had 60 We had 68 total ambulance calls,

[2:55:04] but 14 were in the fire protection

[2:55:06] district. In December, 63 total calls,

[2:55:10] but four were in the district, just to

[2:55:12] keep in mind. Um, tonight, I do not have

[2:55:15] um statistics from the police

[2:55:16] department, but I'll catch up on them

[2:55:18] next time.

[2:55:19] >> Thank you, Commissioner McDerman.

[2:55:21] >> Okay, the uh dry bridge has been

[2:55:23] complete. Uh that I want to thank

[2:55:26] deconstruction. Um they will have to do

[2:55:28] the black top. Um the wastewater

[2:55:31] treatment plant is operating pretty

[2:55:34] good. They're doing good work down there

[2:55:36] and they're going to do a pretty big

[2:55:38] pour within the next couple days I

[2:55:40] believe.

[2:55:42] That's it. That's all I got.

[2:55:44] >> When you said pour, what does that have

[2:55:45] effect?

[2:55:46] >> Not on the roadway, right? Just down

[2:55:48] there.

[2:55:49] >> Cool. Thank you,

[2:55:50] >> Commissioner Baldridge. Uh, as

[2:55:52] Commissioner Moy has stated, um, the

[2:55:54] commissioner's reports are, in my my

[2:55:57] opinion, to give a report of your

[2:56:00] departments. Uh, I've asked both of my

[2:56:02] superintendents of their departments to

[2:56:05] give me an an update uh, every two

[2:56:07] weeks. And, uh, this is what the

[2:56:09] electric department has provided. Over

[2:56:11] the last two weeks, we have received an

[2:56:13] insur settlement payment of

[2:56:15] $88,372.14ning

[2:56:18] storm damage I received in September. We

[2:56:20] also finished and received the grant

[2:56:22] from IMEA for $20,2863

[2:56:26] which goes towards the P purchase of a

[2:56:28] variable frequency drive for well pump

[2:56:30] number three. They have signed up for

[2:56:32] the new Julie underground rapid response

[2:56:34] system which will give a more precise

[2:56:36] response for any underground locate that

[2:56:38] is called in. We are currently waiting

[2:56:39] for the additional login credentials for

[2:56:41] all the other guys. This program was

[2:56:43] supposed to be 100% in use by January

[2:56:45] 1st. However, they are way behind in

[2:56:46] getting each person's credentials sent

[2:56:48] out. We have been working on getting our

[2:56:50] electrical system mapped out and

[2:56:52] installed on the GIS maps which will be

[2:56:54] once completed have all of our system

[2:56:56] recorded in one place which will be

[2:56:57] easily accessible to both all guys

[2:57:00] working in the field as well as

[2:57:01] permanent record for the city. This is a

[2:57:03] work in progress. We had a major

[2:57:05] incident of wind damage on Sunday,

[2:57:07] December 28th. A large oak tree was

[2:57:09] blown over and fell into our main

[2:57:11] circuit power lines which run down by

[2:57:13] the alley between Oak Street and Porter

[2:57:16] Avenue, knocking down the power lines

[2:57:18] and snapping off a corner pole on Church

[2:57:20] Street. We called Shar Tree Service to

[2:57:21] remove the large tree which was laying

[2:57:23] on both our power lines and a garage on

[2:57:24] Oak Street so repairs could be made.

[2:57:27] Power was restored to the affected

[2:57:28] customers around 7 a.m. If you recall,

[2:57:31] it was about 50 to 60 mph winds, I

[2:57:33] believe, that night and they uh it was

[2:57:35] very cold and they stayed all and got

[2:57:37] all that. I do appreciate that we have

[2:57:39] cleaned out all of our electrical appra

[2:57:41] apparatus that was stored in the

[2:57:43] Dickinson house basement and have been

[2:57:44] working on organizing and installing

[2:57:46] additional shelving at both our landfill

[2:57:48] storage building as well as a storage

[2:57:50] shed behind her shop and getting rid of

[2:57:51] any junk that has been accumulated

[2:57:53] through the years when we get the time.

[2:57:55] Thank you. JP uh from the parks

[2:57:57] department says that uh the garbage is

[2:57:59] downtown dog parking disc golf and water

[2:58:02] street uh they get picked up on weekly

[2:58:04] rounds. City Hall maintenance and

[2:58:06] cleaning gets done weekly. Uh he's got

[2:58:08] BB gun club prep, makeup shoots, and

[2:58:11] club nights. The Dickinson house has to

[2:58:13] be maintained weekly to touch up

[2:58:14] painting, the smell from the traps, new

[2:58:16] install bathroom, bowling alley

[2:58:18] maintenance. Uh been working on cleaning

[2:58:21] up the Dickinson House multiple times a

[2:58:22] week. Prepped for the 54 or 5480 mound

[2:58:25] and bases at Gandalfi Diamond. Prep for

[2:58:27] the new south batting cage post at

[2:58:29] Gandalfi Diamond. Cut down some large

[2:58:32] tree branches that fell at Memorial

[2:58:33] Park. Changed the flags and clips as

[2:58:35] needed at flag poles. Got the Christmas

[2:58:37] lights taken down and organized them

[2:58:39] back into storage. Been painting some

[2:58:41] garbage cans and uh done some ceiling

[2:58:43] tile work in the park's office and

[2:58:44] organized the shop. Starting next week,

[2:58:46] they're going to do maintenance on all

[2:58:48] the equipment. It's a late start due to

[2:58:50] the early snow and start refinishing

[2:58:51] more Memorial Park sign and Dickens

[2:58:53] House baseball complex sign. If you

[2:58:55] notice the one down at Memorial Park,

[2:58:57] they uh took that down last year and

[2:58:59] took some time and really made that look

[2:59:01] nice and it saved the city a lot of

[2:59:02] money and made it look a lot better for

[2:59:03] everybody to look at. So, do appreciate

[2:59:05] all that. That's all I have.

[2:59:07] >> All right. All good stuff. Thank you. Uh

[2:59:09] mayor's [clears throat] report was

[2:59:10] already completed. Um so number what I

[2:59:14] got 13 there. Executive session for

[2:59:16] collective negotiating matters between

[2:59:17] the public body and its employees or the

[2:59:19] representatives or deliberations

[2:59:20] concerning the salary schedules for one

[2:59:22] or more classes of employees 5

[2:59:23] LCS120/2C2

[2:59:25] to discuss the purchase of lease of real

[2:59:27] estate 5 LCS120C5

[2:59:30] the employment compensation discipline

[2:59:31] performance dismissal specific employees

[2:59:33] 5 LCS120C1.

[2:59:35] Uh can I get a motion to go into

[2:59:37] >> I'll make a motion to go into executive

[2:59:38] session.

[2:59:39] >> I'll second roll call please.

[2:59:41] >> Uh Baldrich.

[2:59:42] >> Hi.

[2:59:43] >> Cullinin.

[2:59:43] >> Hi.

[2:59:43] >> McDermott. I

[2:59:45] >> Moy

[2:59:45] >> I

[2:59:46] >> Curran

[2:59:47] >> I I think this is officially the latest

[2:59:49] time we've started executive session.

[2:59:50] There's no there's no planned action exe

[2:59:52] after executive session. Thank you

[2:59:54] everybody. Have a wonderful night and a

[2:59:56] happy new year.

[3:00:02] [clears throat]

[3:00:07] » I'm throwing

[3:00:08] >> That's not great.

[3:00:10] >> No cracks.

[3:00:13] just breaking stuff. No, I said no. No

[3:00:16] cracks,

[3:00:18] >> which would really suck because I don't

[3:00:19] use this thing that often.

[3:00:30] » Tony, didn't even know you're going to

[3:00:31] be here and I said nothing but good

[3:00:32] things about you.

[3:00:34] >> You bet.

[3:00:35] >> I might not like you, but you did good.

[3:00:37] work.

[3:00:38] >> That's

[3:00:38] >> You did good work.

[3:00:43] What

[3:00:44] >> about your wife?

[3:00:46] >> What about your wife?

[3:01:01] » You did.

[4:02:39] I

[4:02:44] » Oh my god. Thank god my wife still

[4:02:47] there.

[4:02:58] Oh boy.

[4:03:02] Back to school tomorrow.

[4:03:07] All right,

[4:03:16] we're back in open session. Roll call,

[4:03:19] please.

[4:03:19] >> Baldridge,

[4:03:20] >> here.

[4:03:20] >> Colin,

[4:03:20] >> here. McDermott

[4:03:21] >> here.

[4:03:22] >> Moy

[4:03:22] >> here. Curran

[4:03:24] >> here. Thank you for anybody that's still

[4:03:25] paying attention. I'm It's probably well

[4:03:27] past your bedtime. Um that's all we have

[4:03:30] tonight. Uh number 14 is adjournment.

[4:03:32] Can I get a motion to adjurnn?

[4:03:33] >> I'll make a motion to adjourn.

[4:03:35] [laughter]

[4:03:35] >> Everybody.

[4:03:35] >> Roll call, please.

[4:03:36] >> Uh Baldridge

[4:03:37] >> here.

[4:03:38] >> Call it.

[4:03:39] >> I.

[4:03:40] >> McDermott.

[4:03:41] >> I Curran

[4:03:43] >> I. We are adjourned. Night night. night.

January 5, 2026 City Council Regular Meeting

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